2013 Smart Fortwo Pure w/AC $10,150 + Tax ,pdi, AND 1.9% /5 years YMMV

[Canuck_2005]

Just ordered a 2013 smart pure with A/C
I was able to negotiate $4250.00 off the MSRP plus sales tax,$1400 frieght/pdi/AC tax/lic . You can finance for 1.9% for 5 years

OTR all in $13,627.76 (This includes all taxes, fees, and a few options above base, $160 for instrument cluster, $55 for rubber mats, $97.70 for cargo tray)

Smart has a rebate (not listed on car cost canada) of approximatly $3850.00 . total discount negotiated was $4250.00 .

YMMV, :)

[tdott]

What dealer did you get yours at?

[IntrepidRT]

Wow, that's a pretty great deal......and a safer vehicle than something like a Yaris or Accent.

[trixstar]

Wow, that's a pretty great deal......and a safer vehicle than something like a Yaris or Accent.

the Yaris has a 5 star crash rating as to the Smart with only 4 stars..

Source: ANCAP

[gostinger]

I would rather drive a rickshaw

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Rickshaw_pict.JPG/320px-Rickshaw_pict.JPG

And my son has a 2012 Ford Focus and gets similar mileage and he can take friends out.....

Automatic Transmission
city / highway
(L/100 km) 5.8 / 4.7

[wilsonlam97]

I would rather drive a rickshaw

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Rickshaw_pict.JPG/320px-Rickshaw_pict.JPG

And my son has a 2012 Ford Focus and gets similar mileage and he can take friends out.....

Automatic Transmission
city / highway
(L/100 km) 5.8 / 4.7

Is that the 3cyl ford focus? Those things are efficient.

[Clee]

I would have bought one if it was still diesel

[BinaryJay]

Is that the 23cyl ford focus? Those things are efficient.

23 cylinders?

[IceBlueShoes]

I would rather drive a rickshaw

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Rickshaw_pict.JPG/320px-Rickshaw_pict.JPG

And my son has a 2012 Ford Focus and gets similar mileage and he can take friends out.....

Automatic Transmission
city / highway
(L/100 km) 5.8 / 4.7
Not all of us like to play taxi. It's why I love 2 seaters.

23 cylinders?
I was thinking the same thing. Must be some special edition!

[Tornado F2]

I would rather drive a rickshaw

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Rickshaw_pict.JPG/320px-Rickshaw_pict.JPG

And my son has a 2012 Ford Focus and gets similar mileage and he can take friends out.....

Automatic Transmission
city / highway
(L/100 km) 5.8 / 4.7

Pedo Pod, huh?

Where's the bear? :lol:


$10,000 should be the full price for the Smart, period.

If Toyota/Scion even have the smarts to make the iQ the two-seater-with-cargo-room that it should be, at a more reasonable price, the Smart will be done for in Canada, at least outside of the downtown of major cities. At that point the Smart should be switched over to the electric-only vehicle it should have always been here. It could be a decent urban getabout vehicle, if most of the population could be persuaded to drive them, but as things stand, with so many reckless idiots on the road driving much larger vehicles, you'd never catch me in one of those tiny overpriced deathtraps.

But at least the price is moving in the right direction. Maybe when Tata (India) export their own budget variant here they'll finally catch on.

[dslrnewb]

You will payback your savings in repairs for parts and labour of mercedes benz prices. smart? i don't think so....

[dealsaddict]

Just ordered a 2013 smart pure with A/C
I was able to negotiate $4250.00 off the MSRP plus sales tax,$1400 frieght/pdi/AC tax/lic . You can finance for 1.9% for 5 years

OTR all in $13,627.76 (This includes all taxes, fees, and a few options above base, $160 for instrument cluster, $55 for rubber mats, $97.70 for cargo tray)

Smart has a rebate (not listed on car cost canada) of approximatly $3850.00 . total discount negotiated was $4250.00 .

YMMV, :)

What the heck is "pure"? It comes with an engine right?

[wilsonlam97]

23 cylinders?



I was thinking the same thing. Must be some special edition!


I meant 3 cylinders. Ooops my bad, I was typing on my phone.

[jabela]

You will payback your savings in repairs for parts and labour of mercedes benz prices. smart? i don't think so....
+1 A friend has one. Maintenance is insanely expensive with Mercerdes stealerships.

[sonicmonkey]

Wouldn't you be covered under warranty and if not I'm sure other places work on Smart Cars. If you're talking basic maintenance, you do that yourself or take it to another shop. Just make sure to hang on to all your documents in case you need warranty work.

[trixstar]

expensive car, expensive maintenance, expensive parts, expensive gas.. It runs on premium fuel and isn't as efficient as other cars on the market

[taya1214]

not so smart car, eh?
I still dont get how come there were so many Smarts sold in Canada.

[Marphyin]

Because those people want to show that they are smart. :cheesygri

[wilsonlam97]

Rip off vehicle.

I'd rather get this.
http://www.dutchpickle.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/motorcycle-philippines-ideas-001.jpg

Low-cost maintenance.

[laptop-tech]

Every thread about Smart cars gets derailed when a bunch of 14 year old fools decide to post junk.

[Pr0metheus]

expensive car, expensive maintenance, expensive parts, expensive gas.. It runs on premium fuel and isn't as efficient as other cars on the market

Wow it takes premium? That is a deal killer.

[Vasy]

Yes, bmy brothers company had 2 smarts they had in cuz they were cool and right size for the job.
They were in warranty repair shop about 3 times more then the escape they had. They ended up using more courtesy car (Hyundai) then the smart.
After 2 year lease expired, they were soooo happy to return them back to the dealer and buy a couple of Hyundai's that almost never went back for warranty, was not funny.

I cant believe such a small car uses more or same gas than cars twice its size. Whats a joke.

[IntrepidRT]

Every thread about Smart cars gets derailed when a bunch of 14 year old fools decide to post junk.
Agree. Nobody who is posting negative comments is offering up an alternative $10k vehicle either.

[trixstar]

for $5,000 more, you can get a hyundai elantra touring and you won't look like a joke..

with addition of these features not found on the "smart" car.

5 star safety rating with larger crumple zones
uses regular fuel
heated mirrors
4 doors with 5 seats, large trunk with foldable rear seats for more storage
cheaper to maintain
cruise control
More horses, not slow like a pig on the highway = less thrashing the throttle = better fuel savings

[IntrepidRT]

for $5,000 more, you can get a hyundai elantra touring and you won't look like a joke..

with addition of these features not found on the "smart" car.

5 star safety rating with larger crumple zones
uses regular fuel
heated mirrors
4 doors with 5 seats, large trunk with foldable rear seats for more storage
cheaper to maintain
cruise control
More horses, not slow like a pig on the highway = less thrashing the throttle = better fuel savings
At least $6000 more (60%) and after 6 or 7 years they're worth the same for resale.

[Jerico]

At least $6000 more (60%) and after 6 or 7 years they're worth the same for resale.

And so would an audi A4 be the same after 6 or 7 years. Its around that time nothing is over about 8 grand. You need to look at at 3-4 year range if you want to compare resales. After 7 years most cars are basically toast from a resale perspective.

2005 A4 4 door sedan 1.8T with 120,000kms is $8,900 wholesale according to todays black book.
2005 smart fortwo passion with 120,000 kms is $2,900 wholesale according to todays black book.

Not much different considering the A4 was $50+ and the smart was $19 to start with.

Edit:
To be fair
2005 Hyundai Elantra SE 4 door with 120,000 kms is $3,950 (I choose the SE as it most closely matched the smart's original cost.

[JAC]

I've ridden in a gas-powered Smart once, and that was enough for me to never consider buying one. Noisy and dangerously slow, IMHO.

Personally, I think it's a fad car, like the PT Cruiser or the Beetle.

[IceBlueShoes]

Pedo Pod, huh?

Where's the bear? :lol:


$10,000 should be the full price for the Smart, period.

If Toyota/Scion even have the smarts to make the iQ the two-seater-with-cargo-room that it should be, at a more reasonable price, the Smart will be done for in Canada, at least outside of the downtown of major cities. At that point the Smart should be switched over to the electric-only vehicle it should have always been here. It could be a decent urban getabout vehicle, if most of the population could be persuaded to drive them, but as things stand, with so many reckless idiots on the road driving much larger vehicles, you'd never catch me in one of those tiny overpriced deathtraps.

But at least the price is moving in the right direction. Maybe when Tata (India) export their own budget variant here they'll finally catch on.
+1.
While I like the smart car, Toyota missed the boat big time by over pricing the IQ. I saw a ton of them in Europe and absolutely loved them, but it's too much. An Accent is less. Although I love that the IQ is a 2+1.

What the heck is "pure"? It comes with an engine right?
Pure is the base model. The Passion model gives you more of the goodies.

Wouldn't you be covered under warranty and if not I'm sure other places work on Smart Cars. If you're talking basic maintenance, you do that yourself or take it to another shop. Just make sure to hang on to all your documents in case you need warranty work.
It's what I would do.
Even if it meant waiting to get parts from Europe, I'd be ok with it. I certainly wouldn't want to have to rely on having a car for a daily commute though. Too bad insurance is insanely expensive in TO. I saw an ad in the paper for $100/month with $1800 down for a 2yr lease. I was very tempted, until I was told insurance would be almost triple the price my car payments!

[achc]

smart car should be officially renamed dumb car

[Redscott]

expensive car, expensive maintenance, expensive parts, expensive gas.. It runs on premium fuel and isn't as efficient as other cars on the market

yeah tell me about the Merc Ben parts prices. My wife has a lowly B200 (non-turbo) and I was in shock when I had to pay $75 for two OEM wiper blades.

You would think that a car with less than 1/2 the space of a Yaris would eat half the gas. not.

[Tornado F2]

At least $6000 more (60%) and after 6 or 7 years they're worth the same for resale.

But at least you should still be alive and in good health with the Hyundai. I'm not confident that that would be the case with the "Smart". I was rearended in a compact Japanese car once, and can vouch that it wasn't fun. In a Smart, or the back seat of a Scion iQ, odds are that I would today be dead or seriously crippled. A Mazda 3/Chevy Sonic/Hyundai Accent is about the smallest I would recommend, especially if you occasionally carry passengers or children. (Of course the Smart doesn't allow for having children at all, another deal killer for many. May as well just get a motorbike).

[Justpete]

My SO has one of these. She goes through a tank of gas a month, it costs her $30 fill up (premium), and she uses it for city driving. She loves it. There's no maintenance, as everything is covered under warranty. You have to take it in once a year for an oil change, and that's it. Seems there's a lot of mis-information in this thread, and just wanted to clear the air, so to speak. My C63 is the exact opposite in terms of fuel consumption, but I love it for different reasons. However, I still only have to take it in once a year for an oil change.

Great deal, OP. Might be time for a swap.

[trixstar]

How much does it cost to fix the $10,000 smart car? Well, here's a price list.

http://clubsmartcar.com/index.php?showtopic=18123

also,

oil changes depend on how much mileage you log on the smart car.

Service A - 8000 km or every year is an oil change for $150

Service B - at 16,000 km, service will cost $250

Service C - at 24,000 km service will cost $400

Rinse and repeat from A-C

[Inno]

I have an 05 Smart, diesel of course. It ran perfectly with only oil changes for 120,000 km then developed oil pump problems. It cost a few thou $ to fix but averaged over 6 years the cost was not bad. Hope to get another 120k out of it.

I had it done by a non-Benz shop. Benz would have charged more than the car is worth.

The car is fun to drive and can be parked in half-size spots, nice in the city. Fuel economy is great of course.

There is a strong SmartForums web community, and a lot of folks do their own maintenance to stay out out of the stealerships' clutches.

For those who worry about safety there are videos online of a Smart being crashed into a concrete wall at highway speed and the doors still opening due the titanium roll cage/exoskeleton.

[trixstar]

For those who worry about safety there are videos online of a Smart being crashed into a concrete wall at highway speed and the doors still opening due the titanium roll cage/exoskeleton.

the problem with that is that the car isn't really crumpling to absorb the forces. The steel cage will be intact for sure, whether you will be is a different story

[klover]

the problem with that is that the car isn't really crumpling to absorb the forces. The steel cage will be intact for sure, whether you will be is a different story

+1. When your body goes from 100 to 0 KMPH in an instant you puree your organs.

[trixstar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKSPxQjPOm0

now, imagine yourself in the smart.. the itty bitty little thing of a thing

[dredd2099]

^pureed and no more legs on that one

[Tornado F2]

For those who worry about safety there are videos online of a Smart being crashed into a concrete wall at highway speed and the doors still opening due the titanium roll cage/exoskeleton.


the problem with that is that the car isn't really crumpling to absorb the forces. The steel cage will be intact for sure, whether you will be is a different story


+1. When your body goes from 100 to 0 KMPH in an instant you puree your organs.

But at least the firemen can retrieve your corpse easily. :(

The problem with both the Smart and the iQ is that they are both dependent on airbags to protect the occupants. A single bag failure could prove fatal. Personally I wouldn't go with anything lacking crumple zones.

[MikeyP]

There's always a bigger fish. Hitting a bigger car, empty semi or loaded logging truck, none are going to be fun whether in a Smart or a Fusion. Whenever someone asks if I feel safe my first response is "do you ask every motorcycle driver you see the same question?".
We have older diesel smarts as second and third vehicles for my family (parents, sister and myself; we have 5 in all) and they serve us very well. They have been finicky, but once you learn how to maintain them and their quirks and NOT to take them to the MB dealership they can be extremely economical to run.

[Tornado F2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKSPxQjPOm0

now, imagine yourself in the smart.. the itty bitty little thing of a thing

You'll be a perfect candidate to drive one of these afterward:

http://images.wikia.com/tardis/images/d/df/True_Dalek_Form.jpg

But at least you can get a choice of colours now. :)

http://etyman.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/daleks-three.jpg

[Tornado F2]

There's always a bigger fish. Hitting a bigger car, empty semi or loaded logging truck, none are going to be fun whether in a Smart or a Fusion. Whenever someone asks if I feel safe my first response is "do you ask every motorcycle driver you see the same question?".
We have older diesel smarts as second and third vehicles for my family (parents, sister and myself; we have 5 in all) and they serve us very well. They have been finicky, but once you learn how to maintain them and their quirks and NOT to take them to the MB dealership they can be extremely economical to run.

How much does it cost a family to insure 5 Smarts, as opposed to a minivan plus an Accent say?

"Hey kids, let's go see the Falls. Get the convoy together and let's go!"

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2055/2529241061_5f3f13b8b6_b.jpg

[goob3r]

There's always a bigger fish. Hitting a bigger car, empty semi or loaded logging truck, none are going to be fun whether in a Smart or a Fusion. Whenever someone asks if I feel safe my first response is "do you ask every motorcycle driver you see the same question?".

There are always bigger fish, but when you are the smallest fish, every vehicle out there will own you. And yes, that is why you don't see more motorcycles, the risk of death and injury in an accident is high.

[MikeyP]

How much does it cost a family to insure 5 Smarts, as opposed to a minivan plus an Accent say?

"Hey kids, let's go see the Falls. Get the convoy together and let's go!"

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2055/2529241061_5f3f13b8b6_b.jpg

They are actually 4th and 5th vehicles for my folks, 3rd for me and 2nd for my sister. We have a spare we leave at the cottage for running to the local store. Does it make financial sense? Absolutely not. We enjoy them for what they are: inexpensive tools.

[Tornado F2]

They are actually 4th and 5th vehicles for my folks, 3rd for me and 2nd for my sister. We have a spare we leave at the cottage for running to the local store. Does it make financial sense? Absolutely not. We enjoy them for what they are: inexpensive tools.

5 Accents would be less expensive to buy, less expensive to insure, and far more practical. Though even then, 4 vehicles should have been more than enough for a family of 4.

I'm constantly amazed how money seems to find its way into the hands of those least deserving of it. How more people don't end up completely bankrupt I don't know.

[aquariaguy]

Wow, that's a pretty great deal......and a safer vehicle than something like a Yaris or Accent.

I'd rather drive a Yaris or Accent than this crap car. If I want to carry two people only I'd get a motorcycle.

[rrm]

Quit trolling

[fallengod]

the problem with that is that the car isn't really crumpling to absorb the forces. The steel cage will be intact for sure, whether you will be is a different story

Also it design to use the car that hit you or that you hit as a crumpling zone. a smartcar at high speed can easily punch though a mini van with minimum damage to the smart car frame.

that or if someone rear end an smart car at high speed....since the smart car is a smaller car with a very strong frame that in a way is design to rip into an other car ,the person that rear end you may as well hit a lamp post...

[Tornado F2]

Also it design to use the car that hit you or that you hit as a crumpling zone. a smartcar at high speed can easily punch though a mini van with minimum damage to the smart car frame.

that or if someone rear end an smart car at high speed....since the smart car is a smaller car with a very strong frame that in a way is design to rip into an other car ,the person that rear end you may as well hit a lamp post...

A free-standing, non-achored lamp post that then flies 100m down the road. Your post doesn't account for basic laws of physics.

[appleb]

So what happens when two smart cars hit each other?

[Redscott]

So what happens when two smart cars hit each other?

Higgs particles are released

[Tornado F2]

So what happens when two smart cars hit each other?

Airbags go off, cars bounce around, all occupants hopefully survive.

In an ideal world, perhaps everybody should drive such vehicles, when they don't need to take family or cargo along. Unfortunately we don't live in such an ideal world. A single intoxicated idiot alone in fast-moving heavy SUV could wipe out a dozen Smarts without even realising it. Get rid of all the moron drivers like that and maybe the Smart might finally have a place on our roads.

[Tornado F2]

Higgs particles are released

Smarts can't move anywhere close to fast enough. :)

[Dav326235]

Airbags go off, cars bounce around, all occupants hopefully survive.

In an ideal world, perhaps everybody should drive such vehicles, when they don't need to take family or cargo along. Unfortunately we don't live in such an ideal world. A single intoxicated idiot alone in fast-moving heavy SUV could wipe out a dozen Smarts without even realising it. Get rid of all the moron drivers like that and maybe the Smart might finally have a place on our roads.

Thats a really dumb point to make. A single intoxicated idiot alone in fast-moving SMART CAR could wipe out a dozen people, bikers and so on. Oh, only in a perfect world.

Extremely cheap car with very expensive repairs. Incredibly tiny and non efficient in its class. Any 2 seater should be a sports car, not this pos.

Guess you got a good deal tho!

[wilsonlam97]

Thats a really dumb point to make. A single intoxicated idiot alone in fast-moving SMART CAR could wipe out a dozen people, bikers and so on. Oh, only in a perfect world.

Extremely cheap car with very expensive repairs. Incredibly tiny and non efficient in its class. Any 2 seater should be a sports car, not this pos.

Guess you got a good deal tho!

The 3cyl focus or any other 3cyl car for that matter is probably a better choice then a smart.

[Tornado F2]

Thats a really dumb point to make. A single intoxicated idiot alone in fast-moving SMART CAR could wipe out a dozen people, bikers and so on. Oh, only in a perfect world.

Extremely cheap car with very expensive repairs. Incredibly tiny and non efficient in its class. Any 2 seater should be a sports car, not this pos.

Guess you got a good deal tho!

I did. I DON'T OWN A SMART. :D Never been inside one, never will.


Besides, a single Smart car vs a dozen bikers? I don't think much of the Smart owners survival chances. :lol:

[rrm]

I did. I DON'T OWN A SMART. :D Never been inside one, never will.


Besides, a single Smart car vs a dozen bikers? I don't think much of the Smart owners survival chances. :lol:

Don't let that stop you from spouting BS
What a troll.

[splitskull]

I think I can fit one in my Suburban

[Tornado F2]

Quit trolling


Don't let that stop you from spouting BS
What a troll.

Okay troll, you've been noticed. Now go away.

[isajoo]

yeah tell me about the Merc Ben parts prices. My wife has a lowly B200 (non-turbo) and I was in shock when I had to pay $75 for two OEM wiper blades...

Lots of OEM blades sets cost that much.

What u really need is wiper rubber REFILLS, which shouldn't cost more than $10/each.

[treo22]

Rip off vehicle.

I'd rather get this.
http://www.dutchpickle.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/motorcycle-philippines-ideas-001.jpg

Low-cost maintenance.
Looks safer

[trixstar]

lol @ the higgs boson

[frankmp]

$160 for instrument cluster,

What if a decline this option? Will the police accept this as an excuse? "sorry officer but......."

[Inno]

What if a decline this option? Will the police accept this as an excuse? "sorry officer but......."

No worries: can't go fast enough to break any speed limits anyhow. :-)

[fiscal-rick]

http://www.ronaldarichardson.com/wp-content/uploads/lib/2.jpg

Yeah. . . . Think I will stick to saving money on printers and cameras and spending it on my collision safe Tahoe.

How do I say this next part with humour and not getting flamed:

Though considering the demographics of most rdflgrs. . . . you all can't drive anyways, might as well buy one of these cheap things. . . they are less likely to leave a mark on my truck as you try to parallel park >:( :razz:

[trixstar]

^ and someone mentioned that the smart car was designed to penetrate the other vehicle during a collision..

[ishagi]

Perfect for the streets of Toronto -> :)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pj3jeK4aKOQ/TWSABhlPcTI/AAAAAAAAC3o/nQoKO-eyyso/s400/smart-tank.jpg

[wilsonlam97]

^ and someone mentioned that the smart car was designed to penetrate the other vehicle during a collision..

Hehehe

[wilsonlam97]

Lots of OEM blades sets cost that much.

What u really need is wiper rubber REFILLS, which shouldn't cost more than $10/each.

A couple bucks at CT gets you wiper refills.

[Tornado F2]

http://www.ronaldarichardson.com/wp-content/uploads/lib/2.jpg

Yeah. . . . Think I will stick to saving money on printers and cameras and spending it on my collision safe Tahoe.

How do I say this next part with humour and not getting flamed:

Though considering the demographics of most rdflgrs. . . . you all can't drive anyways, might as well buy one of these cheap things. . . they are less likely to leave a mark on my truck as you try to parallel park >:( :razz:

A gas-guzzling SUV may make you reasonably Smart-proof, but you'd still be squished under a big rig. Even transit buses don't stand a chance.

To be honest, it's SUVs like yours, in the hands of careless drivers (who selfishly assume THEY are safe) that worry me most. I've never felt threatened by huge transport trucks.

[wilsonlam97]

A gas-guzzling SUV may make you reasonably Smart-proof, but you'd still be squished under a big rig. Even transit buses don't stand a chance.


http://www.google.ca/search?q=2010+Tahoe&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-ca:IE-ContextMenu&rlz=1I7ACAW_enCA405CA407&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=LvwFUMGtCIjj0gGuqYTOCA&ved=0CHEQsAQ&biw=1093&bih=538


Exactly. Just be smart enough to crash into anything other then a big rig.

[martlgore]

A gas-guzzling SUV may make you reasonably Smart-proof, but you'd still be squished under a big rig. Even transit buses don't stand a chance.


http://www.google.ca/search?q=2010+Tahoe&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-ca:IE-ContextMenu&rlz=1I7ACAW_enCA405CA407&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=LvwFUMGtCIjj0gGuqYTOCA&ved=0CHEQsAQ&biw=1093&bih=538

+1

[notalemming]

I'm pretty sure thats not a smart car looking at the 5 bolt rims. the tailights and the door handle but whatever, not saying its the safest thing on the road. just
trying to be fair.



http://www.ronaldarichardson.com/wp-content/uploads/lib/2.jpg

Yeah. . . . Think I will stick to saving money on printers and cameras and spending it on my collision safe Tahoe.

How do I say this next part with humour and not getting flamed:

Though considering the demographics of most rdflgrs. . . . you all can't drive anyways, might as well buy one of these cheap things. . . they are less likely to leave a mark on my truck as you try to parallel park >:( :razz:

[Tornado F2]

I'm pretty sure thats not a smart car looking at the 5 bolt rims. the tailights and the door handle but whatever, not saying its the safest thing on the road. just
trying to be fair.

It is different. Yet also very similar. A different model perhaps? When I first saw the photo I suspected it might be somewhere in Europe, going off the people/clothing.

I just googled across a different view:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_v1klaEdB-E8/S83Sx8e4qaI/AAAAAAAAAM0/RaIeZ0uWP4I/s320/smartcar_accident_02.jpg

It did penetrate the truck. Just not very well.

[elwebmaster]

It is different. Yet also very similar. A different model perhaps? When I first saw the photo I suspected it might be somewhere in Europe, going off the people/clothing.

I just googled across a different view:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_v1klaEdB-E8/S83Sx8e4qaI/AAAAAAAAAM0/RaIeZ0uWP4I/s320/smartcar_accident_02.jpg

It did penetrate the truck. Just not very well.

There are Chinese-made Smart knock-offs which obviously are not safe vehicles. The ignorance of people in this thread is pathetic.

[trixstar]

it has US plates.. maybe a heavily modified smart car?

[Tornado F2]

it has US plates.. maybe a heavily modified smart car?

US plates? :confused:

[trixstar]

upon closer inspection, i guess it isn't.. the driver was split in half and both of his eyes popped out

[JAC]

Think I will stick to saving money on printers and cameras and spending it on my collision safe Tahoe.

Ha. This Tahoe got its arse kicked by a Camry.:twisted:
http://www.times-herald.com/local/Victim-s-truck-erupts-into-flames----after-crash-on-Highway-16-East--1785002

http://assets.mediaspanonline.com/prod/6775096/wreck_w550.jpg

[IceBlueShoes]

There are always bigger fish, but when you are the smallest fish, every vehicle out there will own you. And yes, that is why you don't see more motorcycles, the risk of death and injury in an accident is high.
More motorcycles? Strange I would've thought a season called "winter" might have more to do with it...


What if a decline this option? Will the police accept this as an excuse? "sorry officer but......."
If you look at the smart site, it's an option for an add-on to the gauge. You don't guess your speed. lol


A lot of people here ASSUME they'll get into an accident. If you pay attention you can often avoid accidents. There's always something bigger out there, I'd rather have a car that can manoeuvre better than a tank aka SUV and avoid things.

But hey, if you don't like smarts, good for you!

[George W. Bush]

stay away from these overpriced and over hyped cans of cars...

from a safety and gas efficiency there are other similar cars who offer BETTER safety, and even gas efficiency... sure, they may be a little more ie. $15 000 but your chances to survive a crash will be higher...

I would go with VW over these anytime!

[IntrepidRT]

stay away from these overpriced and over hyped cans of cars...

from a safety and gas efficiency there are other similar cars who offer BETTER safety, and even gas efficiency... sure, they may be a little more ie. $15 000 but your chances to survive a crash will be higher...

I would go with VW over these anytime!
MANY people cannot handle the electrical gremlins VW puts into every non-German made VW.

[George W. Bush]

the Ford Focus 2012 is a GREAT car - it handles well, looks gorgeous, nice gas efficiency! love that Ford still makes good cars (unlike the other two US car makers who are slackers)

Ford Focus 2012 is the Car of The Year!

http://imganuncios.mitula.net/2012_ford_focus_95567957818623331.jpg

[IntrepidRT]

the Ford Focus 2012 is a GREAT car - it handles well, looks gorgeous, nice gas efficiency! love that Ford still makes good cars (unlike the other two US car makers who are slackers)

Ford Focus 2012 is the Car of The Year!
You can't compare a $33k+ Focus Titanium to a $10k Smart. Not even close to the same price range. You can't even option out a Fusion to cost more than a loaded Focus. Oh, and here comes the Dart.

[Tornado F2]

A lot of people here ASSUME they'll get into an accident. If you pay attention you can often avoid accidents. There's always something bigger out there, I'd rather have a car that can manoeuvre better than a tank aka SUV and avoid things.

But hey, if you don't like smarts, good for you!

It's not a case of expecting to get into an accident. It's the fear that any accident could be your last if you're in such a tiny car.

What amazes me is the colour scheme used on most Smarts - black, grey, silver, etc. If I had no other option but to ride in one, I would at least want it to be in a high-visibility colour like bright red, yellow, green, etc, so that everybody else could see me clearly.

[wilsonlam97]

the Ford Focus 2012 is a GREAT car - it handles well, looks gorgeous, nice gas efficiency! love that Ford still makes good cars (unlike the other two US car makers who are slackers)

Ford Focus 2012 is the Car of The Year!

http://imganuncios.mitula.net/2012_ford_focus_95567957818623331.jpg

Exactly! Ford is the only American auto maker that is still pumping out decent/good vehicles.

[IntrepidRT]

Exactly! Ford is the only American auto maker that is still pumping out decent/good vehicles.
OBVIOUSLY you haven't driven a new Charger or 300C with the 8-speed transmissions?

[wilsonlam97]

Ha. This Tahoe got its arse kicked by a Camry.:twisted:
http://www.times-herald.com/local/Victim-s-truck-erupts-into-flames----after-crash-on-Highway-16-East--1785002

http://assets.mediaspanonline.com/prod/6775096/wreck_w550.jpg

Haha stupid general maintenance car.

[applelove]

a pretty good deal

[chronos]

http://www.ronaldarichardson.com/wp-content/uploads/lib/2.jpg

Yeah. . . . Think I will stick to saving money on printers and cameras and spending it on my collision safe Tahoe.

How do I say this next part with humour and not getting flamed:

Though considering the demographics of most rdflgrs. . . . you all can't drive anyways, might as well buy one of these cheap things. . . they are less likely to leave a mark on my truck as you try to parallel park >:( :razz:

It's a VW CrossFox - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Fox#Volkswagen_CrossFox


The Volkswagen CrossFox is a mini SUV version which sets it apart from the standard Fox. As is the case for other similar models, it is available only with front-wheel drive.

It is produced in Brazil and sold in Latin American markets; there are plans to export it to European markets to compete in the expanding mini SUV market (see Ford EcoSport and Fiat Idea Adventure).

This version contains mixed-use tires and a suspension raised slightly beyond a spare tire on the outside of the trunk.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/VW_CrossFox_Victorinox_ftl_SIAM2008.JPG/640px-VW_CrossFox_Victorinox_ftl_SIAM2008.JPG

[wz3y]

It is very funny that most of people on this thread giving opinions about this car's safety and how overprice it is.
But should people think about what's the use of the cars before they buy them? obviously SMART is a car that designed for high traffic city(Europe has lots of SMARTs) single or couple(with no kids) drivers. if you are not in the group, then the car is not for you, it doesn't matter what opinions you hold against it.

Plus, for the safety, I just had a quote from RBC insurance weeks ago for three cars(Toyota Prius, Ford Focus SE and SMART) , among those threes SMART has the cheapest insurance rate(I think that gives the best answer towards its safety, because insurance company has much more data on accident than whoever can only find wrong photos online)

[Tornado F2]

It's a VW CrossFox - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Fox#Volkswagen_CrossFox

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/VW_CrossFox_Victorinox_ftl_SIAM2008.JPG/640px-VW_CrossFox_Victorinox_ftl_SIAM2008.JPG

You got it!

I did come across reference to a Volkswagen Chico as a Smart competitor, but you've got the correct model. You can see the spare tire on the back in the photo I found.

http://www.auto-types.com/images/_autonews/2012-Volkswagen-Chico_98.jpg

Looks like VW are taking the approach I recommended with the Chico: similar layout to the iQ, but in 2-seat form only, without the useless and potentially deadly "back seat".

This is interesting:

"2012 Volkswagen Chico is expected to be released in Europe in 2011 and it will be out in America the following year as 2012 model. The price of this new 2012 Volkswagen Chico will be coming with a base price of $9,000."

Up to 100mpg in diesel form too. Could be a real winner if this micro segment takes off.

[Tornado F2]

There are Chinese-made Smart knock-offs. The ignorance of people in this thread is pathetic.

It turned out to be a VW, not Chinese. :D

[Jerico]

Ok, I am personally not in the market for a smart car. I am also not in the market for the lexmark printers I saw for cheap on here, nor Rogers as my cell phone carrier. Or the 100s or 1000s of other deals I have ignored. So why is everyone coming out of the woodwork on this thread against smart?

Agreed other cars for FIFTY PERCENT more are probably more useable in the long run, but 10 grand for a brand new car could be appealing to some. Thanks OP for bringing this to our attention. If I had a kid in University, she might be interested in this to get to/from. But then again, I drive SS motorcycles and you can't get any more dangerous than that.

And honestly? For 10 grand this is a little interesting...

Edit: And I have Monster cables connecting my TV. So there.

[andreid]

I can't stand to be overtaken by a Smart but it seems to be happening more and more(*)!


(*) 2002 VW Golf TDI with 70hp and 255,000km

[ahato]

This is a pretty neat deal specially with the 1.9% rate. I was planning to sell my car [ Audi A4] because i need cash for my startup and this could be an ideal buy since i would be paying in 5 years and will have a new car that I can rely on with the warranty and every thing rather than buying a few thousand car from Auction.
I will asses the value of my car and will buy into it..

[bmmr]

Ok, I am personally not in the market for a smart car. I am also not in the market for the lexmark printers I saw for cheap on here, nor Rogers as my cell phone carrier. Or the 100s or 1000s of other deals I have ignored. So why is everyone coming out of the woodwork on this thread against smart?

Agreed other cars for FIFTY PERCENT more are probably more useable in the long run, but 10 grand for a brand new car could be appealing to some. Thanks OP for bringing this to our attention. If I had a kid in University, she might be interested in this to get to/from. But then again, I drive SS motorcycles and you can't get any more dangerous than that.

And honestly? For 10 grand this is a little interesting...

Edit: And I have Monster cables connecting my TV. So there.

And I have Bose Speakers all over my house .. :)

[IceBlueShoes]

It's not a case of expecting to get into an accident. It's the fear that any accident could be your last if you're in such a tiny car.

What amazes me is the colour scheme used on most Smarts - black, grey, silver, etc. If I had no other option but to ride in one, I would at least want it to be in a high-visibility colour like bright red, yellow, green, etc, so that everybody else could see me clearly.

IMO, with that type of mentality, I'd never go outside because "something" might happen. The way I see it is I'm more likely to be killed in a car accident than crossing the street. If that's the case I'd rather have a quick death than a drawnout painful one. The car is safe. Mercedes has driven them across the Arctic w/o any issues. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/story/2010/02/03/smart-cars-dempster.html
One could argue there's less traffic up there, but you have to worry about moose and spinning out, which is possible in any car. Use snows and don't drive like an F1 driver and you should be fine. It's usually the people that think they're invincible with SUV that you see in a ditch.

[IceBlueShoes]

http://www.auto-types.com/images/_autonews/2012-Volkswagen-Chico_98.jpg

Looks like VW are taking the approach I recommended with the Chico: similar layout to the iQ, but in 2-seat form only, without the useless and potentially deadly "back seat".

This is interesting:

"2012 Volkswagen Chico is expected to be released in Europe in 2011 and it will be out in America the following year as 2012 model. The price of this new 2012 Volkswagen Chico will be coming with a base price of $9,000."

Up to 100mpg in diesel form too. Could be a real winner if this micro segment takes off.[/QUOTE]

I saw the Fox all over Mexico and wondered what it was.

The Chico looks neat. Sadly if it comes out here, we likely won't be getting the diesel version because Americans don't like diesels.

[Tornado F2]

http://www.auto-types.com/images/_autonews/2012-Volkswagen-Chico_98.jpg

Looks like VW are taking the approach I recommended with the Chico: similar layout to the iQ, but in 2-seat form only, without the useless and potentially deadly "back seat".

This is interesting:

"2012 Volkswagen Chico is expected to be released in Europe in 2011 and it will be out in America the following year as 2012 model. The price of this new 2012 Volkswagen Chico will be coming with a base price of $9,000."

Up to 100mpg in diesel form too. Could be a real winner if this micro segment takes off.


I saw the Fox all over Mexico and wondered what it was.

The Chico looks neat. Sadly if it comes out here, we likely won't be getting the diesel version because Americans don't like diesels.

It doesn't matter what Americans want. Canada is a different market and we often get vehicles (esp small ones) that the US doesn't.

That said, if they can offer excellent mileage even on gasoline I can see that Chico selling well here. (Ideally with a better name). :D

[Tornado F2]

The Germans do have a history with micro cars. Check out these 1950s/60s designs:

BMW Isetta:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Bmw.isetta.arp.jpg/746px-Bmw.isetta.arp.jpg

Messerschmitt Kabinenroller:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Messerschmitt_Kabinenroller.jpg/800px-Messerschmitt_Kabinenroller.jpg

[fiscal-rick]

A gas-guzzling SUV may make you reasonably Smart-proof, but you'd still be squished under a big rig. Even transit buses don't stand a chance.

To be honest, it's SUVs like yours, in the hands of careless drivers (who selfishly assume THEY are safe) that worry me most. I've never felt threatened by huge transport trucks.

I don't know where to begin with your comment. . .

Who knows who is at fault in this accident.

All we do know is the laws of inertia and principals of physics frown upon anyone who thinks a smart car is safe on a two lane road with other vehicles.

Tahoes on the other hand tend to lead to "non life threatening injuries"

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ItKDuKuIveA/T2IIN3UcyDI/AAAAAAAAPIA/a0v3vM8aYf8/s1600/%25210_2012_0315_KC-MO_FatalityCrash_Northeast46thTerr%2540NorthBright on_KSHB-SkyTracker.jpg

March 12, 2012: a silver-colored Pontiac collided with a black Chevy Tahoe SUV.


The driver of the Pontiac was killed and 3 others in the Tahoe suffered what police said was non life-threatening injuries.


CSW was awaiting the KC-MO Police traffic division's investigative report and there was yet no identity of the deceased or injured.

[IceBlueShoes]

It doesn't matter what Americans want. Canada is a different market and we often get vehicles (esp small ones) that the US doesn't.

That said, if they can offer excellent mileage even on gasoline I can see that Chico selling well here. (Ideally with a better name). :D

This is the real chico. lol
http://icydk.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/razor-ramon-scott-hall.jpg

[Tornado F2]

Tahoes on the other hand tend to lead to "non life threatening injuries"

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ItKDuKuIveA/T2IIN3UcyDI/AAAAAAAAPIA/a0v3vM8aYf8/s1600/%25210_2012_0315_KC-MO_FatalityCrash_Northeast46thTerr%2540NorthBright on_KSHB-SkyTracker.jpg

March 12, 2012: a silver-colored Pontiac collided with a black Chevy Tahoe SUV.

The driver of the Pontiac was killed and 3 others in the Tahoe suffered what police said was non life-threatening injuries.


Sounds like the Tahoe fatally injured the Pontiac driver to me.

You just proved that big SUV drivers don't care about the well-being of anybody else.

[Jerico]

And I have Bose Speakers all over my house .. :)

I really DO have Monster cables connecting all my TVs and stereo crapola though. The HD1000s. Other users on here are buying Dyson vacuums all over the place (which have been proven in court to lose suction). And others have more expensive cars (a true RFDer would probably buy the cheapest 4 door out there). My point is that its all personal preference. If you don't want a smart car, then don't look at the thread. I don't want Rogers as my wireless carrier, so I didn't look at the thread. Its very easy to live and let live.

And please note: I made RFD proud when I got those Monster Cables below retail cost or free when my wife worked for a major retailer. Its good to be the King.

If you guys don't stop bashing the OPs very nice post, I will violate Godwin's law in this thread. You have been warned.

[laptop-tech]

Lots of ignorance in this thread. But that is to be expected, anyways.

To those spreading nonsense about the maintenance costs, I used to own a Smart car and di my oil changes at the dealership in Oakville, for 60 bucks. The service A, is essentially an oil change plus visual inspection, so when I asked the guy how much for the oil change only it was 60 bucks.
My mechanic also did it, for 40 bucks. Nothing outrageous or unusual.

What I find truly pathetic is to see people saying "you could get an XXXXXXX or YYYYYYY, far more practical..." like they KNOW what someone else wants/needs. Im married, with no kids, so having an extra row of seats is NOT more practical, it takes space that is never used, make the car heavier and takes space I can use in the front seat, where I am all the time.

[dealsaddict]

I thought this tiny car would be a "hoot" to drive ( although 0-48 km/h in 6.5s may be dangerous) until I found out that it has a 25% greater chance of a rollover than a Ford Explorer.

[dro3]

How much will it be on the road?

[Canuck_2005]

How much will it be on the road?

OTR all in $13,627.76