**Breaking** Mass shooting leaves 12 dead in suburban Denver

[willdacanucker]

What in the holy hell is going on this summer? Damn. R.I.P to these people. :(
http://www.680news.com/news/world/article/384543--14-dead-50-hurt-in-colorado-theatre-shooting-police

[setell]

Saw it on my twitter feed earlier but it didn't say it was 14 dead! :( RIP to those that didn't survive the shooting.

Just checked twitter again, all over the news now but BBC was the first to report it for me. Obama has issued a statement about this. We are all sadden by the news. :(

[LonesomeDove]

It was at a theatre screening a midnight showing of Dark Knight Rises in Denver. 50 people were also wounded.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/20/us/colorado-theater-shooting/index.html

A gunman in his 20's has been arrested. He had a bullet proof vest on. He started shooting during a movie scene depicting a gunfight.

[neutral]

I guess this is what you call perspective.

[adamtheman]

There were people on CNN being interviewed and one person said that the movie theatre should get out refunds ?!?!?!?! are people heartless? 14 people dead and they are asking about refunds? This is sick. Colorado has definitely got the shaft here... over 10 years after Columbine and here it goes again. This will get WORLDWIDE attention and media coverage. Terrible news.

[longitude]

ENOUGH!!!!! (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/stop-world-1199041/?highlight=stop+the+world)

[diggler649]

And I'll say it again, I'm glad I don't live in the United Snakes of America.

[vero95]

And I'll say it again, I'm glad I don't live in the United Snakes of America.

I see what you did there

[Longobongo]

Crazy stuff. RIP

[laptop-tech]

That's why we need more guns in the hands of concerned citizens. If everyone in the theater had a gun to shoot back, this would have been much different.

[yucksta]

That's why we need more guns in the hands of concerned citizens. If everyone in the theater had a gun to shoot back, this would have been much different.

Possibly but it also increases the likelihood of people shooting for any reason, not just to defend themselves. Also, even when used to defend themselves, there's a chance that they may miss their targets and hit innocents. In highly stressful situations, the only folks that can be "trusted" with guns are those that practice & train regularly.

[Rocketo]

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/international/article/215894--mass-shooting-at-colorado-movie-theatre-leaves-12-dead

Witnesses said a man released some sort of gas canister inside a cinema showing The Dark Knight Rises at the Century 16 theatres in Aurora, Colo. and then opened fire around 12:30 a.m. (MDT). At least 48 people were injured in the shooting, including a three-month-old baby and a six-year-old child.


my question is why as a parent would you bring a 6 year old or 3 month old to a midnight screening of a violent movie...regardless the situation is quite sad and shows at any given moment your life could end in a place where you thought you were safe.

[d182]

So sad :( in Denver? Columbine? @_@


That's why we need more guns in the hands of concerned citizens. If everyone in the theater had a gun to shoot back, this would have been much different.

I don't buy it. Its possible that the shooter had easy access to firearms. Don't think more citizens have guns makes it 'safer'

[flashy_mcflash]

Can we start making broad statements about his ethnicity and that of his parents yet?

[vero95]

he was found near his car with all the weapons inside
looks like he was not trying to escape

[iEyeCaptain]

Can we start making broad statements about his ethnicity and that of his parents yet?

He's Caucasian.

RIP to the victims.

[Junigenmukyoku]

My condolences to the victims and their families. I just hope the media doesn't glorify this guy 24/7 for the coming days.

[kingofwale]

Can we start making broad statements about his ethnicity and that of his parents yet?

Why? Were the victims unwilling to cooperate with the police??

[HeavyDutyKronos]

Personally, I blame The Joker.

[pmbpro]

OMG. When I first woke up and heard this news, I couldn't believe it. :-0 Happening at the movies too. :(
My condolences to all the family and friends of the dead victims, and wishing for a healthy recovery of the injured. This is so sad. :(

[flashy_mcflash]

He's Caucasian.

RIP to the victims.

From what country? Perhaps immigration from Caucasian countries needs to be examined. Is the mayor of Colorado consulting with Obama about the ins and outs of their immigration policy?

[gizmo8]

That's why we need more guns in the hands of concerned citizens. If everyone in the theater had a gun to shoot back, this would have been much different.

yeah even more deaths with crossfire .....duh........

[ClubberLang]

From what country? Perhaps immigration from Caucasian countries needs to be examined. Is the mayor of Colorado consulting with Obama about the ins and outs of their immigration policy?

We need the leaders of his community to come forward and comdemn this violence.

If there were more community centres and after school programs/jobs this would not have happened.

[CFC85]

This is crazy. A person that died is also the person that narrowly escaped the Eaton Centre shooting. Feels like a scene from the movie "Final Destination".
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/young-batman-shooting-victim-posted-haunting-tweets-from-minutes-before-she-was-killed-7962071.html

Her blog about Eaton Centre
http://jessicaredfield.wordpress.com/2012/06/05/late-night-thoughts-on-the-eaton-center-shooting/

[iEyeCaptain]

From what country? Perhaps immigration from Caucasian countries needs to be examined. Is the mayor of Colorado consulting with Obama about the ins and outs of their immigration policy?

Well, his mother is from San Francisco..

[pmbpro]

Amateur video footage near the exit after the shooting:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=T7sIiqq66rk

That poor man in the striped shirt; as he walked, he looked like he was going to pass out. :(
I hope he and the other injured are going to be okay. Some would likely be having nightmares or could need counselling to help cope with such a tragedy...

[sprung]

That's why we need more guns in the hands of concerned citizens. If everyone in the theater had a gun to shoot back, this would have been much different.

the state of Colorado allows (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_%28by_state%29) for carrying concealed weapons and even open carry in some parts . The risk in a situation like this is collateral damage. Terrible idea to have civilians just start opening up in a crowded cinema. How would you tell friend from foe?

[flashy_mcflash]

the state of Colorado allows (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_%28by_state%29) for carrying concealed weapons and even open carry in some parts . The risk in a situation like this is collateral damage. Terrible idea to have civilians just start opening up in a crowded cinema. How would you tell friend from foe?

This is old Lappy's gimmick, don't take it seriously.

[ji2o0k]

Personally, I blame The Joker.and here we gooooooooooo.........

[UnionvilleKid]

Well, his mother is from San Francisco..

The mother must of known something was wrong with her son. As soon as she heard where it was and what happened she immediately knew her son was involved.

[d182]

This is crazy. A person that died is also the person that narrowly escaped the Eaton Centre shooting. Feels like a scene from the movie "Final Destination".
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/young-batman-shooting-victim-posted-haunting-tweets-from-minutes-before-she-was-killed-7962071.html

Her blog about Eaton Centre
http://jessicaredfield.wordpress.com/2012/06/05/late-night-thoughts-on-the-eaton-center-shooting/

wtf!!!!!!!!! and here I thought they were totally unrelated.

[Zephyr22b]

This is crazy. A person that died is also the person that narrowly escaped the Eaton Centre shooting. Feels like a scene from the movie "Final Destination".
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/young-batman-shooting-victim-posted-haunting-tweets-from-minutes-before-she-was-killed-7962071.html

Her blog about Eaton Centre
http://jessicaredfield.wordpress.com/2012/06/05/late-night-thoughts-on-the-eaton-center-shooting/

holy wtf

[neutral]

He's Caucasian.

RIP to the victims.

Shocker

My guess is this law abiding citizen wanted to show the thugs how it's really done.

[appleb]

Isn't it racist to post that this guy is Caucasian?

[4flava]

Isn't it racist to post that this guy is Caucasian?

No, it's a physical attribute just like black hair or blue eyes.

[neutral]

Isn't it racist to post that this guy is Caucasian?

No you have to keep going, and make racist comments after that. This would just be the springboard.

[d182]

Isn't it racist to post that this guy is Caucasian?

No, not when he's simply stating a fact. That's like saying the police are racist when describing a suspect (5''5 asian male lol)

[setell]

This is crazy. A person that died is also the person that narrowly escaped the Eaton Centre shooting. Feels like a scene from the movie "Final Destination".
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/young-batman-shooting-victim-posted-haunting-tweets-from-minutes-before-she-was-killed-7962071.html

Her blog about Eaton Centre
http://jessicaredfield.wordpress.com/2012/06/05/late-night-thoughts-on-the-eaton-center-shooting/

Holy moly.... very Final Destination :-0 Thought it was just in movies!!!!

[shingor6]

I hope they won't try and blame the movie for this.... the batman series is not particularly violent, if they want to blame a movie, it's Rampage (2009).

I hope the society will not try to put the blame on anything but really try and find the source of the problem to try and prevent further bloodshed.

[jaysfan4life]

Is it an American think to bring infants to the movie theatre? I went to see Ted last month in the Bronx and someone had their 6 month old with them the movie.. You would figure they wouldn't want to disturb anyone when the baby gets fussy.

[popcorneater]

Is it an American think to bring infants to the movie theatre? I went to see Ted last month in the Bronx and someone had their 6 month old with them the movie.. You would figure they wouldn't want to disturb anyone when the baby gets fussy.

I'm confused as hell too. Either that or everybody else's kids are angels, and my kids are absolute brats that can't sit still for longer than 30 min. I sure as heck would be pissed off sitting next to a crying baby, nevermind the most anticipated one of the summer.


The last movie I've seen in Theaters was CLASH of the titans, and we all know how that one was. :(

[Krakilin0405]

The right to bear arms...

Imagine this, if I had my own gun, and I was sitting in the front row when this happened? I could have (or somebody else could have) pulled out a pistol and drop this guy and saved lives !!!

/american

[vero95]

are we going to get movie marshals now?

[Madchester]

Holy moly.... very Final Destination :-0 Thought it was just in movies!!!!

A woman who survived 9/11 died two months later in this airline accident: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_587#Victims

I remember when this crash occured and people feared it was another terrorist attack in NYC.

[flashy_mcflash]

are we going to get movie marshals now?

Rob Ford logic suggests that movie marshals are the best solution, yes. More cops. Cops everywhere.

[Aznsilvrboy]

That's why we need more guns in the hands of concerned citizens. If everyone in the theater had a gun to shoot back, this would have been much different.

Uh...the gun man who had a gas mask released 2 gas canisters in the theatre before he started firing. If everyone in the theatre had a gun and shot back, they'd be shooting blindly and probably end up killing each other. :facepalm:

[divx]

how come no one shot back? this is the states we are talking about, someone has to shot back

[smirnoff]

Time to reevaluate your beliefs.

[stealth]

are we going to get movie marshals now?
no, but I bet some places may start with metal detectors at entrances.
some schools already have them.

[iEyeCaptain]

The only possible solution I see here is to treat every man, woman and child as a potential mass murderer.

I, for one, will be moving to my remote Northern Ontario cabin.

[ji2o0k]

Uh...the gun man who had a gas mask released 2 gas canisters in the theatre before he started firing. If everyone in the theatre had a gun and shot back, they'd be shooting blindly and probably end up killing each other. :facepalm:lol.....hilarious.....

how come no one shot back? this is the states we are talking about, someone has to shot back

the answer is definitely need more guns.....arm the masses and these things won't happen.....and Toronto thinks we have too many guns? Please.........

[bullionaire]

WTF? Is he an Avengers fanboy or something?

[wilsonlam97]

Why? Were the victims unwilling to cooperate with the police??

Actually they did. If they didn't we wouldn't have a story detailing the events that occurred.

[ronin1701]

WTF? Is he an Avengers fanboy or something?

He'll probably claim that The Scarecrow or The Joker made him do it.

[manyapples]

The perp dropped out of Med School last month at U of Colorado http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_COLORADO_SHOOTING_SUSPECT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-07-20-11-13-45

[bullionaire]

I thought Denver was a U.S. city?

Nice try.

[hagbard]

This is crazy. A person that died is also the person that narrowly escaped the Eaton Centre shooting. Feels like a scene from the movie "Final Destination".
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/young-batman-shooting-victim-posted-haunting-tweets-from-minutes-before-she-was-killed-7962071.html

Her blog about Eaton Centre
http://jessicaredfield.wordpress.com/2012/06/05/late-night-thoughts-on-the-eaton-center-shooting/

Anyone else find this strange? What are the odds? But I'm sure, its just a "coincidence".

[HeavyDutyKronos]

I thought Denver was a U.S. city?

Nice try.

I was under the distinct impression that Denver was a dinosaur. He's my friend and a whole lot more.

http://bloggfiler.no/wed0ntneedtowhisper.blogg.no/images/539620-7-1268724548623.jpg



Anyone else find this strange? What are the odds? But I'm sure, its just a "consequence".

Proliferation and ease of access to weapons of death. Reflection of our culture perhaps. Tough economic times, increasing wage gap means more people in despair or suffering mental illness going untreated. Guns are everywhere, so are sick and bad people without concern for your life or anyone else's. Whatever the odds, I'm pretty sure they've gone up in the last 20-30 years, also people do a lot more travelling so in big urban centres with large populations bad stuff can happen.

The real question is: are we headed for Escape from NY or LA? and can I be Snake Plissken?

http://gavinstephens.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/snake-plissken.jpeg

[Simaahoy]

Anyone else find this strange? What are the odds? But I'm sure, its just a "consequence".

Wow, really scary and odd indeed

[ronin1701]

Anyone else find this strange? What are the odds? But I'm sure, its just a "consequence".

A "consequence" of what?

Or did you mean to say "coincidence"?

[wilsonlam97]

Anyone else find this strange? What are the odds? But I'm sure, its just a "consequence".

Autocorrect sucks eh?

[hagbard]

Autocorrect sucks eh?

It does.

[Myv]

Apparently his apartment is 'booby trapped' with explosives. Source (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57476636/colo-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-apartment-booby-trapped-police-say/)

[brian.gerson]

BBC is reporting he was a PhD neuroscience student. I have never trusted pure science students.

[bullionaire]

Some of those injured are children, including a 4-month-old baby who was released from the hospital.

Who takes their baby to a midnight showing? :facepalm:

I never understood why people take their babies to the movies at all.

[bembol]

I hate hearing s**t go down like this.

Do you know what I hate it even more, their whole "right to bear arms." Seriously, why?!?!

[manyapples]

Hmm, I read online that he was in Med School. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_COLORADO_SHOOTING_SUSPECT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-07-20-11-13-45

Edit: He actually dropped out last month.

[bullionaire]

BBC is reporting he was a PhD neuroscience student. I have never trusted pure science students.

Remember, there's lots of scientist-turned-supervillains.

[hagbard]

Who takes their baby to a midnight showing? :facepalm:

I never understood why people take their babies to the movies at all.

MKUltra -ed.

[brian.gerson]

Hmm, I read online that he was in Med School. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_COLORADO_SHOOTING_SUSPECT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-07-20-11-13-45

Edit: He actually dropped out last month.

This is what AP is reporting now:

Holmes was studying neuroscience in a Ph.D. program at the University of Colorado-Denver, university spokeswoman Jacque Montgomery said. Holmes enrolled a year ago and was in the process of withdrawing at the time of the shootings, Montgomery said.

[webdoctors]

scary stuff, odd someone would take a baby to a movie showing?

[sandikosh]

They shouldn't waste time prosecuting him. Shoot him now!

[neutral]

Frightening. Except for being in med school, he could pass for a lot of RFDers.

[popcorneater]

I hate hearing s**t go down like this.

Do you know what I hate it even more, their whole "right to bear arms." Seriously, why?!?!

Do you seriously think Tighter gun control would actually work? Like the war on drugs works?

[LostInTruth]

I guess this is what you call perspective.

Precisely. This is crazy! My hearts go out to the victims families. WTF is wrong with people?!??!?!?!?! :(

[JAC]

Do you seriously think Tighter gun control would actually work? Like the war on drugs works?

Colorado has some of the most lax gun laws in the country; the shooter didn't even need permits for the shotgun and the handguns. But Colorado ALSO has open carry laws, which meant that the shooter COULD have been taken down by anyone in the audience, but wasn't.

So since the vaunted "right to bear arms" doesn't seem to be working, perhaps it's time to give gun control a chance, yeah.

[brian.gerson]

Naw, that theatre forbade concealed carry and it's a felony to disobey the sign. Otherwise this might have turned out a lot better for the poor folks who were sitting ducks.

[LostInTruth]

***********

Nothing else to say stealth? Everyone is equally capable of evil things

[LostInTruth]

Where are all the posters who come out to condemn minorities when they are involved in crimes? Asleep in their parents basement still?

[bullionaire]

Where are all the posters who come out to condemn minorities when they are involved in crimes? Asleep in their parents basement still?

The last time I checked, Denver was a U.S. city.

[stealth]

Nothing else to say stealth? Everyone is equally capable of evil things

What more do I need to say? I agree with your point that everyone is capable of evil things, JAC's post suggested that caucasians ONLY commit these crimes, which is stupid.

[neutral]

Nothing else to say stealth? Everyone is equally capable of evil things

Don't worry I'm sure he was posting similar examples when people were pointing out what a certain community had a problem. You really can't expect anything better from these Sun News types.

[stealth]

Where are all the posters who come out to condemn minorities when they are involved in crimes? Asleep in their parents basement still?

Sounds like you are just looking/trolling for a fight?

[Jimboski]

Rip.

[NG]

Anyone else find this strange? What are the odds? But I'm sure, its just a "consequence".

Agreed on the quotes. Something is up here.

[rUn-gUn]

Naw, that theatre forbade concealed carry and it's a felony to disobey the sign. Otherwise this might have turned out a lot better for the poor folks who were sitting ducks.

Yeah and I'm pretty sure open carry is not allowed in Denver... elsewhere in Colorado yes but not Denver.

[smiloid]

Even if every single person was armed in the theater, there would have been deaths. The element of surprise + dark/packed theater + well prepared attacker all but guarantees this.

The real crime here is someone thought it was OK to bring a baby to this movie.

[NG]

Who takes their baby to a midnight showing? :facepalm:

I never understood why people take their babies to the movies at all.

Unless it's a G rated movie both the cinema and parents should be charged by the police for letting a minor see a restricted movie.

[neutral]

Even if every single person was armed in the theater, there would have been deaths. The element of surprise + dark/packed theater + well prepared attacker all but guarantees this.

The real crime here is someone thought it was OK to bring a baby to this movie.
No the real crime is that some thug decided to start shooting up a movie theater

[NG]

Do you seriously think Tighter gun control would actually work? Like the war on drugs works?

Seroiously comparing gun control to the wr on pot?

Throw pot at a group of people no one dies. Spray bullets innocent bystanders get shot.

[brian.gerson]

Seroiously comparing gun control to the wr on pot?

Throw pot at a group of people no one dies.

You think there is no violence surrounding the marijuana industry, *****?

[flashy_mcflash]

You think there is no violence surrounding the marijuana industry, ****?

Not nearly as much as the gun industry, *****.

[rUn-gUn]

Not nearly as much as the gun industry, *****.

HAHAH! sorry this is just great, love the little stabs at the end. Wingnut definitly wins.. but yes in all seriousness I think more violence comes from guns than marijuana.. guns can be involved in many other scenarios.

[hagbard]

They shouldn't waste time prosecuting him. Shoot him now!

Being the liberal guy I am, I think there should be a trial before we hang'm.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

Being the liberal guy I am, I think there should be a trial before we hang'm.

Agreed. Trial now, hanging later. We musn't forget the paperwork.


Personally, I blame The Joker.

I called it. TMZ: 'BATMAN' SHOOTER 'He Said He Was The Joker' http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/20/james-holmes-colorado-shooting-joker/

Why so serious?

[NG]

Naw, that theatre forbade concealed carry and it's a felony to disobey the sign. Otherwise this might have turned out a lot better for the poor folks who were sitting ducks.

So, by your logic, the victims were partly responsible for what happened to them because they made the choice to patron a "no carry" establishment?

[brian.gerson]

Not nearly as much as the gun industry, *****.

There is no safer sport in Canada than recreational shooting. Backyard pools are something like 100 times more dangerous.

[flashy_mcflash]

There is no safer sport in Canada than recreational shooting.

Absolute nonsense.

[brian.gerson]

So, by your logic, the victims were partly responsible for what happened to them because they made the choice to patron a "no carry" establishment?

No, but the theater bears some responsibility. They had a sign that said "Dear psycho, come on in, nobody in here is going to shoot back."

[NG]

Being the liberal guy I am, I think there should be a trial before we hang'm.

Messed up society when supporting people receiving a trial before being executed.


You think there is no violence surrounding the marijuana industry, *****?

There'd be zero violence if people were legally allowed to grow only for personal use prude.

[dudebro]

RIP to the victims. condolences to their loved ones.

[NG]

No, but the theater bears some responsibility. They had a sign that said "Dear psycho, come on in, nobody in here is going to shoot back."

So a business can't be free to set their own rules on their own private property?

People can't be free to patron a business or not based on those rules?

Why do you hate freedom?

[popcorneater]

Seroiously comparing gun control to the wr on pot?

Throw pot at a group of people no one dies. Spray bullets innocent bystanders get shot.

I'm not comparing the lethality of the 2. I'm merely comparing the obtain-ability. Putting things on the black market doesn't mean those that want it won't be able to get it.

[Junigenmukyoku]

I like it how gun lovers bring the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument. They seem to forget that it's people with GUNS that kill people.

Instead of spending billions and trillions of dollars fighting 'terrorism' and funding rebels aboard, the US should spend some of that money in their own country to prevent terrorism cases like this one.

[brian.gerson]

I like it how gun lovers bring the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument. They seem to forget that it's people with GUNS that kill people.

I love how car lovers bring the "cars don't kill people, drunk drivers kill people" argument. They seem to forget that it's people with CARS that kill people. Let's ban all cars.

[zz000ter]

Had some people in the audience had guns of their own,
someone could have popped a cap in his head and fewer people would have died.

The bad guys wil ALWAYS have guns
That genie is out of the bottle and can't be put back in.

[stealth]

I like it how gun lovers bring the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument. They seem to forget that it's people with GUNS, machetes, piano wire, cars, axe handles, knives, box cutters, rope, fertilizer, etc that kill people.

Instead of spending billions and trillions of dollars fighting 'terrorism' and funding rebels aboard, the US should spend some of that money in their own country to prevent terrorism cases like this one.

fixed

[NG]

I'm not comparing the lethality of the 2. I'm merely comparing the obtain-ability. Putting things on the black market doesn't mean those that want it won't be able to get it.

If you restrict the access you limit the damage. Fewer will be able to access it.

Case in point: I don't have access to weed so I drink.

[ji2o0k]

Agreed. Trial now, hanging later. We musn't forget the paperwork.

Right....hang now....trial later......wait a minute......

[neutral]

I love how car lovers bring the "cars don't kill people, drunk drivers kill people" argument. They seem to forget that it's people with CARS that kill people. Let's ban all cars.

Cars do serve other purposes than killing people though.

[flashy_mcflash]

Cars do serve other purposes than killing people though.

Same with the items in stealth's 'clever' edit.

[brian.gerson]

If you restrict the access you limit the damage. Fewer will be able to access it.


The folks who perpetrate the gun crimes in Toronto have no problems whatsoever accessing firearms completely outside of the federally-regulated system of gun control we have in place. All you have to do is duct tape a .380 to the underside of your car after a trip to a gun show in Buffalo; your chances of getting caught are microscopic.

There are something like 14 million firearms in Canada, and the number of incidents like the recent ones, although tragic, are very few. We don't have a gun control problem, we have a joblessness and gangs problem.



Case in point: I don't have access to weed so I drink.

If you don't have access to weed, you must live on Baffin island or something!

[hagbard]

This is going to make a great "justification" (ie: excuse) for an even greater police state crackdown. Bye bye civil liberties. I'm sticking by MKUltra on this one.

[Junigenmukyoku]

I love how car lovers bring the "cars don't kill people, drunk drivers kill people" argument. They seem to forget that it's people with CARS that kill people. Let's ban all cars.


fixed

Did I say ban all guns? lol Cars are used for driving, not for killing. Sure people play a major role in the violence too, but with guns, it's just too easy to kill people.

[neutral]

So these were his weapons of choice.

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/07/20/0720-james-guns2-2.jpg



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQUkSIK1UsA&feature=player_embedded#!

This is a video of the first weapon being used. This is 'sport'? People need to be walking around with these kinds of weapons? Oh dear.

[TurboTronix]

http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n547/_ThaNerd_/Movie_stuff.jpg

[D-Roc]

I love how car lovers bring the "cars don't kill people, drunk drivers kill people" argument. They seem to forget that it's people with CARS that kill people. Let's ban all cars.

I love how people bring red herrings into a debate that are not comparable to the situation. They seem to forget that cars have variable uses. Guns have only one.

[D-Roc]

Cars do serve other purposes than killing people though.


Same with the items in stealth's 'clever' edit.


I agree. It is a red herring to compare a gun to anything else, such as a car, piano wire, etc.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

I love how people bring red hearings into a debate that are not comparable to the situation.

Hey I thought this was the off-topic section. I thought we were all debating cage match style. No holds barred.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-WVc5FzYuuZk/T3TEoi-HrHI/AAAAAAAAAkU/7qEwGeh1KjY/s320/2lkyzxs.jpg

Also: If an off-topic post is made in the proper 'off topic forum' technically isn't that post on topic? Did I just blow your mind? Whaaaaaaaa

[spike1128]

Man, you guys are all crazy. Comparing a car to a gun. You know what scenario I would have so neutral and all you others agree.

I let my daughter live a gun free life and be safe. This is how it's done. Daddy packs heat with a Glock pistol and have a shotgun in the truck of his bulletproof Mercedes S class. There! I use the car not as a weapon, but a carrying case for my big heat. End of story!

Now, if you guys read on sympatico site. It talks about a woman who was at Eaton center shooting didn't get shot while vacationing here. She was also at that movie theatre, was gunned down, and has die. What's the likelihood of this happening to her two terms in a span of 2 months across the continent. She must have very bad Karma. Must have done something very wrong in her life to have this happen to her. If she didn't die, I am sure she will win the lottery because of her luck with these low odds.

[popcorneater]

I agree. It is a red hearing to compare a gun to anything else, such as a car, piano wire, etc.

I think what you mean is a red herring.

[D-Roc]

I think what you mean is a red herring.


Oooops. Yes. I will correct. Thanks

[HeavyDutyKronos]

Now, if you guys read on sympatico site. It talks about a woman who was at Eaton center shooting didn't get shot while vacationing here. She was also at that movie theatre, was gunned down, and has die. What's the likelihood of this happening to her two terms in a span of 2 months across the continent. She must have very bad Karma. Must have done something very wrong in her life to have this happen to her.

LOL so she deserved to die? lol Determinists/fatalists make me laugh and scare me at the very same time.

[D-Roc]

Now, if you guys read on sympatico site. It talks about a woman who was at Eaton center shooting didn't get shot while vacationing here. She was also at that movie theatre, was gunned down, and has die. What's the likelihood of this happening to her two terms in a span of 2 months across the continent. She must have very bad Karma. Must have done something very wrong in her life to have this happen to her. If she didn't die, I am sure she will win the lottery because of her luck with these low odds.


Yes of course. She must have done something bad in her life that was deserving of being shot to death. :facepalm:



How do people come up with these theories?

[spike1128]

LOL so she deserved to die? lol Determinists/fatalists make me laugh and scare me at the very same time.

It's just a joke. I wouldn't wish this on anyone. RIP victims of the shooting.

[D-Roc]

It's just a joke. I wouldn't wish this on anyone. RIP victims of the shooting.

A joke in very poor taste.

[brian.gerson]

I love how people bring red herrings into a debate that are not comparable to the situation. They seem to forget that cars have variable uses. Guns have only one.

Okay, I'll bite. What is the one use that guns have?

[popcorneater]

Okay, I'll bite. What is the one use that guns have?

Firearms primarily are used for hunting. Moose, Buck, Grouse, etc. It will be a sad day if Citizens are denied the right to bear arms.

Am I saying everyone should have one? Not unless you want to. But a ban on all firearms is not the way to go. I do like the fact that in Canada hand guns have a more restricted use and extra training to get them (i.e you have to go to shooting range to fire hand guns, and can't be fired anywhere else).

[Muney]

So these were his weapons of choice.

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/07/20/0720-james-guns2-2.jpg


I own 2/3 of those guns, I have never had the thought of shooting innocent people with them. The guy was obviously nuts so stop blaming the guns. The guy had his house wired with explosives. If he didnt have the guns he would have found another way if he had his mind set to it.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

Finally proof that Guitar Hero is evil.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/20/james-holmes-shooter-guitar-hero-dark-knight/

[Supercooled]

Why did he have his house wired to explode? Was he planning of going out of this world with a bang?

[Xeros]

Not sure if anyone caught the story about this Father of the Year.... this guy Jamie Rohrs abandons his 4 month old son, girlfriend and daughter in the theatre during the shooting, drives home and doesn't come back until his girlfriend calls.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/couple-colo-theater-shooting-escape-baby-toddler-tow/story?id=16821447#.UAnGK2FYuVB

[Tabooger]

I can safely say I'm actually worried about going to a movie right now, there's nothing stopping deranged killer coming in and mass shooting innocent people. What a tragedy, and I hope my fear goes away. Rest in peace to all those people. Absolutely shocking to have your friends and family killed in a movie theater. Why didn't this guy take his own life I don't know, I'm sure the state will anyway. I do however question the people who took their 9 and 6 year old to this movie, is this not rated higher than E?

[lazymonkeygod]

rip

[Jimboski]

I can safely say I'm actually worried about going to a movie right now, there's nothing stopping deranged killer coming in and mass shooting innocent people. What a tragedy, and I hope my fear goes away. Rest in peace to all those people. Absolutely shocking to have your friends and family killed in a movie theater. Why didn't this guy take his own life I don't know, I'm sure the state will anyway. I do however question the people who took their 9 and 6 year old to this movie, is this not rated higher than E?

What are the odds of It happening?
There's a chance of this kind of crap happening any where..

Bad parenting that don't care about them obviously!

[Tabooger]

What are the odds of It happening?
There's a chance of this kind of crap happening any where..

Bad parenting that don't care about them obviously!

Of course very little, but there is this thought that is going to be in the back of my mind when I step into a theater that I didn't have before today. It might make me choose a different 'safer' seat and act differently.

[appleb]

Not sure if anyone caught the story about this Father of the Year.... this guy Jamie Rohrs abandons his 4 month old son, girlfriend and daughter in the theatre during the shooting, drives home and doesn't come back until his girlfriend calls.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/couple-colo-theater-shooting-escape-baby-toddler-tow/story?id=16821447#.UAnGK2FYuVB

I also found this line kind of awkward...


"Where the gunman came in, we were going to sit right there," Rohrs told ABC News today. "God was definitely with us and watching over us. I just thank God we sat where we did and showed up late."

So God didn't care about the people sitting in the front seats?

[manmanny]

"Holmes is a PHD candidate at the University of Colorado with a focus in neuroscience. "

Education fail. So the education has no connection with being a good/honest guy...as usual. I know one guy on RFD with such weird behavior.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

"Holmes is a PHD candidate at the University of Colorado with a focus in neuroscience. "

Education fail. So the education has no connection with being a good/honest guy...as usual. I know one guy on RFD with such weird behavior.

Shooting people isn't brain surgery.

[Tabooger]

Hmm post got deleted due to inappropriate comment, seeing as it was sarcastic, but regardless I'd like to thank the poster who pointed out the term pascal's wager. Learned something new today!

[HeavyDutyKronos]

Hmm post got deleted due to inappropriate comment, seeing as it was sarcastic, but regardless I'd like to thank the poster who pointed out the term pascal's wager. Learned something new today!

+1 happening to me more and more. I added a counter in my sig and for people having problem with disappearing comments I'd recommend the same just to keep track of all the censorship of harmless comments going on. :)

[manmanny]

Shooting people isn't brain surgery.
same like the comment of your.
But decision to kill or not need some brain. my point Education doesn't teach that...same like your comments I guess.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

same like the comment of your.
But decision to kill or not need some brain. Education doesn't teach that...same like your comments I guess.

I was making a bad pun, you're making a personal attack. I'm pretty sure your post violates the TOS, specifically "Respect other posters. Personal attacks or harassment will not be tolerated."

[manmanny]

Hmm post got deleted due to inappropriate comment, seeing as it was sarcastic, but regardless I'd like to thank the poster who pointed out the term pascal's wager. Learned something new today!
funny thing is bad many times the bad comments/post are not deleted but if the comments or questioning that the post are deleted.

[transitguy1]

There were people on CNN being interviewed and one person said that the movie theatre should get out refunds ?!?!?!?! are people heartless? 14 people dead and they are asking about refunds? This is sick. Colorado has definitely got the shaft here... over 10 years after Columbine and here it goes again. This will get WORLDWIDE attention and media coverage. Terrible news.

Not heartless, just your typical North American "sense of entitlement" on display.

Will Canada issue a travel advisory on the US now? :p

[toguy]

I also found this line kind of awkward...



So God didn't care about the people sitting in the front seats?

Oh please...almost anyone in that situation would say that, religious or not. If it were me I might add something in respect of those who died, but we see this sort of thing with every catastrophe. Let's leave religion out of it...

[zz000ter]

I would like the anti-gun nuts to propose a way of getting guns out of the hands of criminals.

[sylpherware]

I would like the anti-gun nuts to propose a way of getting guns out of the hands of criminals.

Let me present: Lawgiver Mk II
http://admin.polls.amctv.com/img/data/1082-309x316.jpg

- Tags bullets with DNA signature of the shooter
- Electrocutes user if not recognized

[zz000ter]

Let me present: Lawgiver Mk II

- Tags bullets with DNA signature of the shooter
- Electrocutes user if not recognized

So - in other words anti-gun nuts do not live in the real world?

[JAC]

I would like the anti-gun nuts to propose a way of getting guns out of the hands of criminals.

Posession of an unregistered firearm = automatic life in prison with no possibility of parole.

[sylpherware]

So - in other words anti-gun nuts do not live in the real world?

For sure - a fantasy world where all gun owners are brave, responsible, selfless, well-trained sharpshooters who can prevent crimes from happening better than the police.

[vero95]

Posession of an unregistered firearm = automatic life in prison with no possibility of parole.

is it the same as being banned from the city?

[HeavyDutyKronos]

Things just got weird.

TMZ: Big shooter had a little shooter, according to Adult Swinger Sex Site.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/20/james-holmes-sex-website-penis-cops/

[Peckerwood]

Posession of an unregistered firearm = automatic life in prison with no possibility of parole.

I have heard this argument before. When the registry for long guns was in place, there were still an estimated 18 million unregistered firearms in the country (26 million firearms as per import/export records minus 8 million known registered guns)...and with a 3 to 1 gun/gun owner ratio, means that you would be jailing 6 million potential unlicensed gun owners.

Wondering where you are going to get that kind of jail space considering that the present jail population is maybe 36,000 at the most.

The more you post the more ridiculous your ideas sound...please carry on, I enjoy the laughs

[LostInTruth]

The last time I checked, Denver was a U.S. city.

Crime happens everywhere and now it's Canada thought you guys were hating a certain region specifically. Both crimes are equally horrific in their nature, just saying once again humans are capable of evil
Things - look at the hateful things said on these boards.

Sounds like you are just looking/trolling for a fight?

Just playing the typical RFD poster

[Peckerwood]

BTW, concealed carry is prohibited in Aurora Colorado(not sure about open carry), as well as discharge a firearm other than by law enforcement or at a shooting range, or even have a loaded firearm in a vehicle.

At the same time, I am tending to agree with the anti-carry crowd as it pertains to this specific incident, in that either a smoke bomb or tear gas would definitely provide a very difficult defensive situation and could have increased either missed shots or random collateral hits on bystanders. I am still, however, pro-carry rights regardless of this incident.

[JAC]

I have heard this argument before. When the registry for long guns was in place, there were still an estimated 18 million unregistered firearms in the country (26 million firearms as per import/export records minus 8 million known registered guns)...and with a 3 to 1 gun/gun owner ratio, means that you would be jailing 6 million potential unlicensed gun owners.
Wondering where you are going to get that kind of jail space considering that the present jail population is maybe 36,000 at the most.
The more you post the more ridiculous your ideas sound...please carry on, I enjoy the laughs

You really need to think your own arguments through a little better. First, do you really expect all 18 million illegal weapons to be discovered all at once?:rolleyes:

Second, once a few dozen offenders were convicted, the rest would either register their guns or turn them in for destruction post-haste.

[Blahx3]

First of all, condolences to all the victims' loved ones and hopes of thorough recovery of all of those injured. Secondly, how on earth does this guy get allowed to enter a movie theater either clad in tactical gear or with a large enough duffle or case to conceal these things? Thirdly, how was this guy even able to procure an assault rifle and amo, not to mention all the tactical body armor that he was found in without any of his neighbors taking note?

This is so tragic!

[HeavyDutyKronos]

First of all, condolences to all the victims' loved ones and hopes of thorough recovery of all of those injured. Secondly, how on earth does this guy get allowed to enter a movie theater either clad in tactical gear or with a large enough duffle or case to conceal these things? Thirdly, how was this guy even able to procure an assault rifle and amo, not to mention all the tactical body armor that he was found in without any of his neighbors taking note?

This is so tragic!

From what I understand:

- Body armor, knife and ammo was bought online from tacticalgear.com (for all your mass killing needs(tm)) (CNN showed the receipt)
- Anderson Cooper reports that the guy bought a ticket to the movie, then propped open the emergency exit, presumably to exit where he had parked his car prior to entry, put on his tactical gear, makeup, and equipped the mini arsenal he used for the assault and then re-enter through the propped door.

[DrXenon]

Second, once a few dozen offenders were convicted, the rest would either register their guns or turn them in for destruction post-haste.

Yah, except we had the long gun registry effectively since 2001 or so, and the millions of otherwise law-abiding folks who had duck guns in their closets did not comply despite it being a criminal code offence for more than 10 years. Gun control in CAnada is some of the most misdirected, magical thinking, badly written legislation that this country has ever seen.

[JAC]

Yah, except we had the long gun registry effectively since 2001 or so, and the millions of otherwise law-abiding folks who had duck guns in their closets did not comply despite it being a criminal code offence for more than 10 years. Gun control in CAnada is some of the most misdirected, magical thinking, badly written legislation that this country has ever seen.

Nothing is perfect, but people with shotguns at the cottage really aren't the target anyway. What I'd like to see is the ability to lock up bangers for life strictly on a carry charge.

[Blanket_Man]

dark knight is going to make a killing at the box office

[pablonutribar]

You're new to this party apparently. There have been other threads on gun control in this forum - maybe you should check them out.

Guns are tools of violence. They really don't even have any secondary uses. Or do they? Cars, on the other hand, are tools of transportation. Can they have more lethal uses? Certainly, but that is not their intended - nor primary - use. You simply cannot compare the two.

The "cars kill people too" argument is pretty weak, and it only makes you look silly. Don't use it. There are better arguments. I may mostly disagree with his ideas, but Peckerwood has a much better grasp of which arguments are more effective in debating this issue.

[Mayosandwich]

What i dont get is why the theatre allowed this? How could they let an armed guy inside? I blame the theatre staff for incompetent security.

And if the shooter is shooting why would everyone stand up? Uhh wheres the common sense?

[nsx]

What i dont get is why the theatre allowed this? How could they let an armed guy inside? I blame the theatre staff for incompetent security.

And if the shooter is shooting why would everyone stand up? Uhh wheres the common sense?

You may want to re-read the news:

:arrow:

"... Federal law enforcement sources tell ABC News that Holmes bought a ticket to the movie, slipped out of the theater once it began and propped open the emergency exit before gathering his weapons and gear and coming back into the theater. Once inside, he opened fire ... "

&

"... A man who talked to a couple who was inside the theater told ABC News, "They got up and they started to run through the emergency exit, ..."

http://gma.yahoo.com/colorado-batman-movie-shooting-suspect-phd-student-085940589--abc-news-topstories.html

[Mayosandwich]

Uh...the gun man who had a gas mask released 2 gas canisters in the theatre before he started firing. If everyone in the theatre had a gun and shot back, they'd be shooting blindly and probably end up killing each other. :facepalm:

This is why more people need to get in shape and learn how to defend themselves. If i was there id easily be able to take the guy down even before he opened fire. Theres how many people in the theatre? And the theatreis how big? And not one person could take him down? Are you kidding me?

[HeavyDutyKronos]

If i was there id easily be able to take the guy down even before he opened fire.

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/11/16/0097cfa5-aed7-48b3-8392-e2af4b68a153.jpg

lollllllllllllll You're sitting in a dark theatre watching an action movie and a guy in black walks in 20ft away with an assault rifle and begins to shoot indiscriminately and you take him down immediately. That must have been awesome in your head.

Too bad so many fatties in Colorado eh? derrrrrrrrp

[Mayosandwich]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/11/16/0097cfa5-aed7-48b3-8392-e2af4b68a153.jpg

lollllllllllllll You're sitting in a dark theatre watching an action movie and a guy walks in 20ft away with an assault rifle and begins to shoot and you take him down. That must have been awesome in your head.

Theatres arent that dark, they still have lighting especially at the doors and walkwags, and an assault rifle is huge, trust me you will notice it!

[NG]

Yah, except we had the long gun registry effectively since 2001 or so, and the millions of otherwise law-abiding folks who had duck guns in their closets did not comply despite it being a criminal code offence for more than 10 years.

That's only becuse Chretien didn't have the balls to enforce the law and throw them in prison.

Mulclair is on record for bringing back the registry -level of donation amount to his party by myself will be dependent upon him putting gun owners in prison.

[markom]

One of the dead is Jessica Ghawi, 24, a young aspiring sportscaster who last month survived Toronto’s Eaton Centre shooting. She wrote about her experience in a blog post dated June 5, 2012.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/07/20/james-holmes-dark-knight-rises-shooting/

:-0

[Mayosandwich]

Just heard a 14yr old girl got killed GRR. Nothing makes me more upset than hearing about a kid die. It makes me boil with anger inside. If i saw that i would have killed this guy on the spot, the cops wouldnt be able to deal with him

[HeavyDutyKronos]

Just heard a 14yr old girl got killed GRR. Nothing makes me more upset than hearing about a kid die. It makes me boil with anger inside. If i saw that i would have killed this guy on the spot, the cops wouldnt be able to deal with him

That'll teach him not to kill people.

[MrDisco]

A couple of things I heard on the US special broadcast:
-AMC announced they will be banning people with face masks and replica weapons (http://blogs.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/arts-a-entertainment/mad-about-the-movies/34798-amc-bans-facial-masks-fake-weapons-in-light-of-colorado-massacre-) from entering the theater
-The President ordered all flags to fly at half-mast for 5 days including foreign embassies and naval vessels.
-He purchased over 6000 rounds of ammunition online

[HeavyDutyKronos]

A couple of things I heard on the US special broadcast:
-AMC announced they will be banning people with face masks and replica weapons (http://blogs.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/arts-a-entertainment/mad-about-the-movies/34798-amc-bans-facial-masks-fake-weapons-in-light-of-colorado-massacre-) from entering the theater


That's dumb. How is Batman going to get in?


-He purchased over 6000 rounds of ammunition online

Seems reasonable..

[Simaahoy]

I really would want to know why he did this. There's no excuse to take away people's lives and leaving a dent in many love ones lives...

[DrXenon]

You're new to this party apparently. There have been other threads on gun control in this forum - maybe you should check them out.

Guns are tools of violence. They really don't even have any secondary uses. Or do they? Cars, on the other hand, are tools of transportation. Can they have more lethal uses? Certainly, but that is not their intended - nor primary - use. You simply cannot compare the two.


The primary use of guns in Canada is overwhelmingly to hunt deer, moose, ducks and geese. Another primary use is for sport shooting, at federally and provincially regulated ranges, on crown land, and on private property if the bylaws are favourable. Yet another primary use is for farmers to put down livestock. Another primary use is for police to defend themselves. Another primary use is for rough men to train to go overseas to kill people who would gladly kill you in your sleep if they ever made it to your tony Toronto condominium. Another primary use is home defense. Millions of your fellow citizens, more people than live in the whole GTA, engage in these activities in a perfectly safe and responsible manner, as they have done for hundreds of years.

A very small number of wackos and gang bangers, from time to time, perpetrate terrible crimes that give the Toronto Star an excuse to bloviate about how the millions of law-abiding duck hunters and farmers are potential murderers who could lose it at any time, and how billions of dollars worth of property should be confiscated. You can pay attention to those editors if you want, but most people see them for the lunatics that they are.



The "cars kill people too" argument is pretty weak, and it only makes you look silly.

It's not, though. Every morning I travel a 2-lane 80 km/h road and trust my fellow citizens not to turn their steering wheels 2 degrees to the left and kill us both. I trust that they will stop their vehicles on the far side of the little painted line when I cross the road. I trust them to own firearms, too, if they can pass the extensive and daily background checks that the government do on firearms owners.

We don't blame cars qua cars when drunk drivers kill people. We should not blame guns qua guns when tragedies like the one this thread is about occur. An argument along similar lines is that the spoons in your kitchen drawer are not what made your girlfriend fat.

Taking guns away from innocent people is not going to protect innocent people.

[Mayosandwich]

A couple of things I heard on the US special broadcast:
-AMC announced they will be banning people with face masks and replica weapons (http://blogs.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/arts-a-entertainment/mad-about-the-movies/34798-amc-bans-facial-masks-fake-weapons-in-light-of-colorado-massacre-) from entering the theater
-The President ordered all flags to fly at half-mast for 5 days including foreign embassies and naval vessels.
-He purchased over 6000 rounds of ammunition online

Hate to say but this ALL COULD HAVE BEEN COMPETELY PREVENTED if they either had that theatre backdoor locked or a staff member there gaurding it.

Theatres here, those back doors are locked until the movie is over meaning no one can exit the buildng. I mean, its not rocket science, you have that door open and whos to say people dont just sneak in their friends. How are they going to get caught. After hearing about all this talk on how theatres are tightening up on checking tickets multiple times and they leave the back doors open of all things?! I shake my head

[HeavyDutyKronos]

Hate to say but this ALL COULD HAVE BEEN COMPETELY PREVENTED if they either had that theatre backdoor locked or a staff member there gaurding it.

Theatres here, those back doors are locked until the movie is over meaning no one can exit the buildng. I mean, its not rocket science, you have that door open and whos to say people dont just sneak in their friends. How are they going to get caught. After hearing about all this talk on how theatres are tightening up on checking tickets multiple times and they leave the back doors open of all things?! I shake my head

lol they're too busy kicking people out for turning on their cell phones and protecting corporate profits to worry about little things like security and safety of their customers.

[deltone]

Hate to say but this ALL COULD HAVE BEEN COMPETELY PREVENTED if they either had that theatre backdoor locked or a staff member there gaurding it.

Theatres here, those back doors are locked until the movie is over meaning no one can exit the buildng. I mean, its not rocket science, you have that door open and whos to say people dont just sneak in their friends. How are they going to get caught. After hearing about all this talk on how theatres are tightening up on checking tickets multiple times and they leave the back doors open of all things?! I shake my head

Ummmmmmmmm they are called EMERGENCY doors and Ummmmmmmmmmmm, you can open them from inside because Ummmmmmmmmmmmm, if you couldn't, they wouldn't be Ummmmmmmmmmmm EMERGENCY doors. IF you had read the posts, you would see that he was inside the theatre, pretended he got a cell phone call, exited the Ummmmmmmmmmmmm, EMERGENCY door and blocked it so it wouldn't completely close and be locked from the outside. He went out to his car and got dressed in his garb and got his weapons. So there you have it. :facepalm:

Oh, and here, we also have EMERGENCY EXITS and yes, they can be opened from the inside.

[Mayosandwich]

lol they're too busy kicking people out for turning on their cell phones and protecting corporate profits to worry about little things like security and safety of their customers.

This would never happen in canada, this is another result of the U.S. Completely overlooking and falling asleep on their seucrity measures. Of all countries in the world and they still dont get it.

Not only does he get out the back door, but he has enough time to walk to his car, put on his bulletproof vest, his throat protector, shin guards, boots, groin protector, a ballistic helmet, and equip his assault fifle with a 100 round clip, equip his sawed off shotgun, his 2 handguns and smoke bombs, and walk back inside and still have that same door open! Are you kidding me? He he might as well have gone for a coffee and walk the dog while he was at it too. How can the theatre security not pick up the open door?

[deltone]

This would never happen in canada, this is another result of the U.S. Completely overlooking and falling asleep on their seucrity measures. Of all countries in the world and they still dont get it.

Not only does he get out the back door, but he has enough time to walk to his car, put on his bulletproof vest, his throat protector, shin guards, boots, groin protector, a ballistic helmet, and equip his assault fifle with a 100 round clip, equip his sawed off shotgun, his 2 handguns and smoke bombs, and walk back inside and still have that same door open! Are you kidding me? He he might as well have gone for a coffee and walk the dog while he was at it too. How can the theatre security not pick up the open door?

Maybe they will hire you to be their CHIEF security guy and you can take down all the bad guys like you claim you could do. Seriously guy, how old are you?

[Mayosandwich]

Ummmmmmmmm they are called EMERGENCY doors and Ummmmmmmmmmmm, you can open them from inside because Ummmmmmmmmmmmm, if you couldn't, they wouldn't be Ummmmmmmmmmmm EMERGENCY doors. IF you had read the posts, you would see that he was inside the theatre, pretended he got a cell phone call, exited the Ummmmmmmmmmmmm, EMERGENCY door and blocked it so it wouldn't completely close and be locked from the outside. He went out to his car and got dressed in his garb and got his weapons. So there you have it. :facepalm:

Oh, and here, we also have EMERGENCY EXITS and yes, they can be opened from the inside.

Well here, when that door is open, staff can pick up on it from their monitors (thats why they have cameras there) and a member will come to the door to monitor it until you come back.

[x-factor]

An especially tragic story for the one victim that was present during both the Eaton Centre shooting and now this horrendous Colorado theater shooting

https://twitter.com/JessicaRedfield eerie final tweet.

Toronto hasn't been much safer lately with the brazen shootings in public areas. Far too many demented lunatics with no regard for others out there.




This is crazy. A person that died is also the person that narrowly escaped the Eaton Centre shooting. Feels like a scene from the movie "Final Destination".
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/young-batman-shooting-victim-posted-haunting-tweets-from-minutes-before-she-was-killed-7962071.html

Her blog about Eaton Centre
http://jessicaredfield.wordpress.com/2012/06/05/late-night-thoughts-on-the-eaton-center-shooting/

[kingfencer]

almost like her time was up... and the reaper was out to get her...

[HeavyDutyKronos]

An especially tragic story for the one victim that was present during both the Eaton Centre shooting and now this horrendous Colorado theater shooting

https://twitter.com/JessicaRedfield eerie final tweet.

Toronto hasn't been much safer lately with the brazen shootings in public areas. Far too many demented lunatics with no regard for others out there.

Guys can you please read before posting. People are repeating the same stuff over and over.


I really would want to know why he did this. There's no excuse to take away people's lives and leaving a dent in many love ones lives...

Think of it as RAGEQUITTING life.

[ashs]

I don't think a gun ban is the answer. Criminals will still get a hold of guns and even worse the prevelance of bombs will increase.

[jaxx lite]

I really would want to know why he did this. There's no excuse to take away people's lives and leaving a dent in many love ones lives...

He wasn't enjoying his PhD Neuroscience program
and he ran away to the fantasy world of a Hollywood movie

He likes The Joker from the previous Batman movie

It's just like Luka Magnotta was obsessed with movies like "Basic Instinct"

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[Simaahoy]

http://thechronicleherald.ca/world/119102-death-toll-may-increase-in-colorado-theatre-shooting?utm_source=website&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=most_read



Jordan Crofter, 19, said he had felt lucky to have snagged a seat in the front row at the midnight screening. But about five minutes into the movie, he said, a side door swung open and a man in black wearing a gas mask calmly strode through.

At first, Crofter thought perhaps the man was part of the movie. But within a few seconds, he said, the man hurled two gas canisters down the theater aisle.

“He walked in so casually, like he knew what he was doing,” Crofter said. “I heard two pops. Everyone was distracted. That was when the panic and the chaos started.”

Crofter said that once he noticed that the man was also carrying a rifle, he ran in the opposite direction as fast as he could.

“He started shooting, and everyone ducked and started screaming,” he said. “He looked like he was ready to go into battle. It was like he was walking around and having fun. Emotionless.”

With the investigation in its earliest stages, the authorities said they were unsure what prompted the attack, or whether Holmes had ties to any hate groups.

After his arrest, Holmes told the police that he had explosives at an Aurora residence, which led FBI agents, along with agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and the local police, cordoned off a northern Aurora neighborhood and focused attention on a third-floor apartment in a redbrick building.

[kingofwale]

He wasn't enjoying his PhD Neuroscience program
and he ran away to the fantasy world of a Hollywood movie

He likes The Joker from the previous Batman movie

It's just like Luka Magnotta was obsessed with movies like "Basic Instinct"

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so did I. and so apparently did the entire hollywood, but you don't see the rest of us shooting the place up.

It's just merely an excuse for an pathetic POS who needs to be put to death in the worst possible way.

[kingofwale]

This would never happen in canada, this is another result of the U.S. Completely overlooking and falling asleep on their seucrity measures. Of all countries in the world and they still dont get it.

Not only does he get out the back door, but he has enough time to walk to his car, put on his bulletproof vest, his throat protector, shin guards, boots, groin protector, a ballistic helmet, and equip his assault fifle with a 100 round clip, equip his sawed off shotgun, his 2 handguns and smoke bombs, and walk back inside and still have that same door open! Are you kidding me? He he might as well have gone for a coffee and walk the dog while he was at it too. How can the theatre security not pick up the open door?

You are as thick as they come.

if there's a shooting in any TTC station during rush-hour, who is going to stop the gunman? Same goes for any crowded location in Canada... wonderland, movie threater, Theater shows. When was the last time you saw heavily armed guards in any building in Canada?

Face it, when the loony comes, there's not a damn thing you can do about it

[xlc_88]

Interesting article until the end:

Colorado Batman shooting shows obvious signs of being staged

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html#ixzz2 1E9PJ33s

[Junigenmukyoku]

This is why more people need to get in shape and learn how to defend themselves. If i was there id easily be able to take the guy down even before he opened fire. Theres how many people in the theatre? And the theatreis how big? And not one person could take him down? Are you kidding me?

This is from Reddit just for you...


getting kinda tired of all the rambo fantasies: "oh if I was there with my gun i would have taken him out, calmly because I'VE BEEN TRAINED".

*****

he threw tear gas/smoke grenades first. He was wearing a gas mask.

let me lay out what will really happen:

You are trying to draw your weapon while you were choking, eyes tearing, unable to see or breathe. Then proceed to sight your weapon on a target, wearing dark clothes in a dark movie theater filled with smoke and noxious fumes while people are screaming and running to the exits in panic and confusion. oh, and the tear gas is really starting to take effect now, all you can see are dark blurs, your lungs are burning, you can barely keep your eyes open.

ending a) Your intended target, the one with the gas mask on, seeing and breathing clearly, sees you and puts two shots "center mass". Even with your gun you are now just another victim of a massacre.

ending b) You begin firing at what you think is your target, but unable to tell friend from foe, you may get lucky. oh crap. He's wearing body armor. he gets knocked down.

ending c) You begin firing at what you think is your target, but unable to tell friend from foe, you may get unlucky, and wound or kill innocent bystanders. If you survive you will likely be charged a co-conspirator to the crime, or at least have your life ruined by lawsuits from your victims.

just a friendly dose of reality for all the would-be rambos out there.

[jaxx lite]

"He spent much of his time immersed in the computer, often participating in role-playing online games..."

His actions clearly show a strange detachment from reality, indicating he was not in his right mind.

He opened fire on innocent people but then calmly surrendered to police without resistance.

"After his arrest, Holmes told police about 'possible explosives in his residence,' Oates said.

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[Triad]

He was so addicted to being BANE he forgot about moral compassion and affection for us mere mortals... sad day is sad...

[jacobe]

I heard on the news that he bought over 6000 bullets online. He could have taken out more people. I wonder why he stopped and waited in the parking lot. Nevertheless, this is a tragedy.

[redflag5050]

The sad thing is, this becomes old news very fast. We are numbed by incidents like this because they no longer are a rare occurrence, especially in the states. The right to bare arms is so outdated it is mind boggling that it has not been abolished yet.

[transitguy1]

The sad thing is, this becomes old news very fast. We are numbed by incidents like this because they no longer are a rare occurrence, especially in the states. The right to bare arms is so outdated it is mind boggling that it has not been abolished yet.

If the guy who did all this were a Muslim, there would be a big big news coverage everywhere, with all agencies making statements.

But since he wasn't, its just normal crime.

A first world problem, increasing mental issues in the population to do crazy things.

Anyone check on the 3rd/4th world to see if they are sympathetic? Or happy?

[Abel4Life]

I'm sure bullying is at an all time low in Colorado as it will lead to the creation of monsters like these.

Death Penalty in Colorado FTW.

[wilsonlam97]

Recap


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ_HZ99wjoY

[wilsonlam97]

"He spent much of his time immersed in the computer, often participating in role-playing online games..."

His actions clearly show a strange detachment from reality, indicating he was not in his right mind.

He opened fire on innocent people but then calmly surrendered to police without resistance.

"After his arrest, Holmes told police about 'possible explosives in his residence,' Oates said.

=

Damn... he must have a mental illness.

[D-Roc]

The primary use of guns in Canada is overwhelmingly to hunt deer, moose, ducks and geese. Another primary use is for sport shooting, at federally and provincially regulated ranges, on crown land, and on private property if the bylaws are favourable. Yet another primary use is for farmers to put down livestock. Another primary use is for police to defend themselves. Another primary use is for rough men to train to go overseas to kill people who would gladly kill you in your sleep if they ever made it to your tony Toronto condominium. Another primary use is home defense. Millions of your fellow citizens, more people than live in the whole GTA, engage in these activities in a perfectly safe and responsible manner, as they have done for hundreds of years.

A very small number of wackos and gang bangers, from time to time, perpetrate terrible crimes that give the Toronto Star an excuse to bloviate about how the millions of law-abiding duck hunters and farmers are potential murderers who could lose it at any time, and how billions of dollars worth of property should be confiscated. You can pay attention to those editors if you want, but most people see them for the lunatics that they are.



It's not, though. Every morning I travel a 2-lane 80 km/h road and trust my fellow citizens not to turn their steering wheels 2 degrees to the left and kill us both. I trust that they will stop their vehicles on the far side of the little painted line when I cross the road. I trust them to own firearms, too, if they can pass the extensive and daily background checks that the government do on firearms owners.

We don't blame cars qua cars when drunk drivers kill people. We should not blame guns qua guns when tragedies like the one this thread is about occur. An argument along similar lines is that the spoons in your kitchen drawer are not what made your girlfriend fat.

Taking guns away from innocent people is not going to protect innocent people.


Every one of those primary uses (How do you have that many primary uses is beyond me, but anyways) is actually killing something or someone. So you just proved that a gun has only one function/use.

Of course no one blames a car for a drunk driver (as an example) killing someone one. That is because the car was, initially, being used for its intended use. Transportation. That is why comparing a car to a gun is not valid.

Taking guns away from (I am talking hand guns only. Not automatic weapons such as assault rifles) people (not going to use the word innocent because there is no reason to use it) may not save the lives of other people, but arming people won't necessarily save lives either.

[pablonutribar]

The primary use of guns in Canada is overwhelmingly to hunt deer, moose, ducks and geese. Another primary use is for sport shooting, at federally and provincially regulated ranges, on crown land, and on private property if the bylaws are favourable. Yet another primary use is for farmers to put down livestock. Another primary use is for police to defend themselves. Another primary use is for rough men to train to go overseas to kill people who would gladly kill you in your sleep if they ever made it to your tony Toronto condominium. Another primary use is home defense. Millions of your fellow citizens, more people than live in the whole GTA, engage in these activities in a perfectly safe and responsible manner, as they have done for hundreds of years.

I don't know if you realize it, but you actually just emphasized my point. Thanks!



It's not, though. Every morning I travel a 2-lane 80 km/h road and trust my fellow citizens not to turn their steering wheels 2 degrees to the left and kill us both. I trust that they will stop their vehicles on the far side of the little painted line when I cross the road. I trust them to own firearms, too, if they can pass the extensive and daily background checks that the government do on firearms owners.

We don't blame cars qua cars when drunk drivers kill people. We should not blame guns qua guns when tragedies like the one this thread is about occur. An argument along similar lines is that the spoons in your kitchen drawer are not what made your girlfriend fat.

Taking guns away from innocent people is not going to protect innocent people.

It is though - you're actually just digging a deeper hole for yourself here. You get in your car to do what? That's right - travel. That is because your car is a T-R-A-N-S-P-O-R-T-A-T-I-O-N tool. When you hunt deer and moose - or protect your home - you are doing this how? Through V-I-O-L-E-N-C-E. This is because Firearms are tools of V-I-O-L-E-N-C-E. All your dramatizing about the "innocent duck hunters" does not take away from the fact that firearms are tools of violence with NO real purpose other than violence. Really - what other purpose do firearms have?? Come on now.....Just admit that it's not the best argument and move on.

By killing someone with a car, you would be misusing the car (which is why banning cars would be a rather silly idea). By killing someone with a gun YOU WOULD BE USING THE GUN FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE IT WAS INTENDED FOR.

BTW, let's take the ridiculous "arm the population" argument to its logical (and completely f'n ridiculous) conclusion. So we arm the populace so that they can all defend themselves from "dangerous criminals". Everyone now has a gun. So are robbers and the like going to then decide, "Hrm. This occupation of mine sure is dangerous now. I guess I'll just pack it in and go get a regular job! I wonder if Starbucks is hiring???"...........................

That's what I thought......Now I have to put up with armed robbers AND batshart crazy civilians with guns.

[billdozer]

Just heard a 14yr old girl got killed GRR. Nothing makes me more upset than hearing about a kid die. It makes me boil with anger inside. If i saw that i would have killed this guy on the spot, the cops wouldnt be able to deal with him

LOL thanks for the laugh, hypothetical-situation tough guy.

Watch out RFD, we got a badass over here.

This you?

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=sr1isjTZfAo

[hagbard]

Interesting article until the end:

Colorado Batman shooting shows obvious signs of being staged

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html#ixzz2 1E9PJ33s

Like I said, MKUltra.

[Beradon]

In hindsight:

Several witnesses that sat in the front rows were able to see the suspect walk up the aisle shooting at the other patrons. Since Colorado is a concealed-carry state the people in the front rows could have stopped the shooter from taking any more lives. Problem here is that the shooter was wearing a bullet proof vest. If you were in the front row and were able to shoot at him, you might have stopped him for a brief moment but then he would turn around and concentrate on firing back at you. You might have saved a few patrons by distracting the shooter but now you've turned his attention towards you.

Even with this scenario I would still rather be trained and armed.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

In hindsight:

Several witnesses that sat in the front rows were able to see the suspect walk up the aisle shooting at the other patrons. Since Colorado is a concealed-carry state the people in the front rows could have stopped the shooter from taking any more lives. Problem here is that the shooter was wearing a bullet proof vest. If you were in the front row and were able to shoot at him, you might have stopped him for a brief moment but then he would turn around and concentrate on firing back at you. You might have saved a few patrons by distracting the shooter but now you've turned his attention towards you.

Even with this scenario I would still rather be trained and armed.

Years of training in COD headshots FTW.

[kingofwale]

In hindsight:

Several witnesses that sat in the front rows were able to see the suspect walk up the aisle shooting at the other patrons. Since Colorado is a concealed-carry state the people in the front rows could have stopped the shooter from taking any more lives. Problem here is that the shooter was wearing a bullet proof vest. If you were in the front row and were able to shoot at him, you might have stopped him for a brief moment but then he would turn around and concentrate on firing back at you. You might have saved a few patrons by distracting the shooter but now you've turned his attention towards you.

Even with this scenario I would still rather be trained and armed.

the guy is smart, he used tear gas so people's aiming would become impossible. Also he was equipped with heavy protective shield that will even make Lucius Fox proud.

the issue here is. the victims actually came out and confront the guy. Not hiding away and protect the killers.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

By the way, I've heard of Cosplaying but this is ridiculous! Where is a crazy person who thinks he's Batman when you need him?

[neutral]

Looking at this guy's picture, his love of video games, now the revelation that he was online complaining about having a small sex organ, AND the fact that quite a few RFDers have admitted to having the same weapons used in the this crime, we probably having dozens, perhaps hundreds of possible James Holmes' on this very website.

So called, self proclaimed law abiding citizens, just like this guy, who are on the edge, angry enough, pathetic enough, thug enough, to take out a bunch of innocent people. Truly frightening.

[kingfencer]

there's not reason to sell assault riffles... hangun to protect oneself, long range for hunting...

[501]

what kind of world we live in today if people are shooting up movie theaters SMH.

RIP to the victims ...and to the girl who was also at the eaton centre...truly sad!

[DrXenon]

This is because Firearms are tools of V-I-O-L-E-N-C-E. All your dramatizing about the "innocent duck hunters" does not take away from the fact that firearms are tools of violence with NO real purpose other than violence. Really - what other purpose do firearms have??

Please explain how target shooting is violent, except to cardboard. Lots of folks shoot targets for fun and sport, it is an Olympic sport. In fact, all the original Olympic sports have martial origins.

If the purpose of Canadian firearms is violence, then they are all defective and should be sent back to their manufacturers. Because the number of violent incidents here is microscopic. Same with accidents. In fact, if you want to save lives, you would be better off banning backyard swimming pools.

I'm not sure why the pollyanna drama about V-I-O-L-E-N-C-E, either. It is part of life. Do you think there is no violence involved in the meat you buy at Loblaws?

[HeavyDutyKronos]

TMZ: Shooter often seen smoking weed, popped Vicodin before attack

http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/21/james-holmes-colorado-shooting-drug-use/

[NG]

Looking at this guy's picture, his love of video games, now the revelation that he was online complaining about having a small sex organ, AND the fact that quite a few RFDers have admitted to having the same weapons used in the this crime, we probably having dozens, perhaps hundreds of possible James Holmes' on this very website.

So called, self proclaimed law abiding citizens, just like this guy, who are on the edge, angry enough, pathetic enough, thug enough, to take out a bunch of innocent people. Truly frightening.


Bolded and quoted for truth. Most interesting is that in so many threads ppl come in to defend guns at all costs.

One wonnders what type of society we've built to hide from.

[hagbard]

TMZ: Shooter often seen smoking weed, popped Vicodin before attack

http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/21/james-holmes-colorado-shooting-drug-use/

Most of these killers are found to be pumped up on anti-depressants. Those things are evil. Still sticking by my MKUltra theory however. The objective is clear.

[NG]

Most of these killers are found to be pumped up on anti-depressants. Those things are evil. Still sticking by my MKUltra theory however. The objective is clear.

If this is a MKUltra thing tho then why? To ban all guns to pave the way for a coup to turn America into facist regime?

Somehow I doubt all the guns in America owned by citizens could stop the oversized, nuke enbled, armed forces of today anyways.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

Most of these killers are found to be pumped up on anti-depressants. Those things are evil. Still sticking by my MKUltra theory however. The objective is clear.

Personally I don't see how Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 led to this current situation.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_tbM-mvvvAuo/SjO4Uw4YLQI/AAAAAAAAAXA/E2Wg-33AKEk/s400/3.jpg

[hagbard]

If this is a MKUltra thing tho then why? To ban all guns to pave the way for a coup to turn America into facist regime?

Exactly. They'll even get the vast majority of American's to demand it. Very effective. BTW, they're not done yet, just starting.


Somehow I doubt all the guns in America owned by citizens could stop the oversized, nuke enbled, armed forces of today anyways.

Large powerful states can be brought down by armed citizenry.

[redflag5050]

The best solution to the gun problem is what comedian Chris Rock suggested, Guns cheap and $10k for a bullet. By the time you save enough money to kill someone you would realize how much money that is and the anger would be long gone!

[Abel4Life]

"Gun's don't kill people. People kill people."

Why don't you ban cars, knives, forks, spoons, crowbars, 90% of garage tools, maybe everything else in the world too while you're at it?

My thoughts and prayers go out to the families that have lost loved one's from this. I can only imagine what the victims families must be going through.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

The best solution to the gun problem is what comedian Chris Rock suggested, Guns cheap and $10k for a bullet. By the time you save enough money to kill someone you would realize how much money that is and the anger would be long gone!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuX-nFmL0II

[DrXenon]

there's not reason to sell assault riffles... hangun to protect oneself, long range for hunting...

Most folks consider "assault rifles" to be select-fire firearms that have a fully-automatic setting. Nobody except law enforcement and the military can legally have one of those rifles in Canada. (There are a very small number of people who can own them if they have been converted to semi-auto and verified by a government agent.)

Also, the AR-15s that we can own are highly regulated objects. You can't take them into the bush and shoot targets with them, you have to go to a government-approved range by the most direct route. It is a criminal offence to have one anywhere except at the range, your house, or on the most direct route between them.

All that regulation is fairly stupid, though, because you can buy hunting rifles that are ballistically equivalent (exact same round) but they LOOK less harmful to the folks who were writing up our ridiculous, magical thinking laws back in the day to win points with voters in the T.dot who have never seen a rifle in person.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

Looking at this guy's picture, his love of video games, now the revelation that he was online complaining about having a small sex organ, AND the fact that quite a few RFDers have admitted to having the same weapons used in the this crime, we probably having dozens, perhaps hundreds of possible James Holmes' on this very website.

So called, self proclaimed law abiding citizens, just like this guy, who are on the edge, angry enough, pathetic enough, thug enough, to take out a bunch of innocent people. Truly frightening.

Remind me to never attend an RFD Picnic or Movie Premiere.

[spike1128]

Remind me to never attend an RFD Picnic or Movie Premiere.

Not to mention the auto meats on RFD.

[a-tree]

Isn't this a news bot thread that mods love to lock?

[jaxx lite]

Isn't this a news bot thread that mods love to lock?

People are usually fascinated with mass murder news stories

This will be a big news story for the next few days (one week tops)

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[pablonutribar]

Please explain how target shooting is violent, except to cardboard. Lots of folks shoot targets for fun and sport, it is an Olympic sport. In fact, all the original Olympic sports have martial origins.

If the purpose of Canadian firearms is violence, then they are all defective and should be sent back to their manufacturers. Because the number of violent incidents here is microscopic. Same with accidents. In fact, if you want to save lives, you would be better off banning backyard swimming pools.

I'm not sure why the pollyanna drama about V-I-O-L-E-N-C-E, either. It is part of life. Do you think there is no violence involved in the meat you buy at Loblaws?

Are you really this obtuse?? Target shooting is a violent act. Inflicting violence on cardboard may be less "harmful" than inflicting violence on a person, but it is still violence nonetheless.

Who gives a rat's arse if target shooting is an Olympic sport? How does that change anything? How is it related to the debate at hand? Oh, I know already (and so do you) - it doesn't. Nice try though.

Xenon - please explain to me what other purposes firearms have besides violence.

This talk about banning backyard swimming pools is nothing more than a straw man argument. A backyard pool is a place to go swimming. A firearm is a tool of violence. THEY ARE NOT EQUIVALENT, SO YOU CAN'T COMPARE THEM. Do you think we are so stupid that we can't see you trying to derail the argument?

Violence is part of life? How does that relate to the debate at hand again?? What are you even talking about? We're not talking about cruelty against animals - we're talking about the role of firearms in our HUMAN society. You need to work on your debating tactics mate - I'm not five years old.

Xenon - you may have good arguments against gun control, but this is NOT one of them.

[a-tree]

People are usually fascinated with mass murder news stories

This will be a big news story for the next few days (one week tops)

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I guess I forgot to read the rule that says fascinating, mass murder stories are ok, even if newsbot.

[kingofwale]

Are you really this obtuse?? Target shooting is a violent act. Inflicting violence on cardboard may be less "harmful" than inflicting violence on a person, but it is still violence nonetheless.


same can be said about fencing, wrestling. Heck, even baseball you hit those balls with a bat. that's violence right there by your standard, eh?

[Vegeta]

http://i.imgur.com/f8sDN.jpg
...
too soon?

[Royalsoldier]

I'm shocked that some people believe that by putting MORE guns in the hands of civilians it would somehow fix gun violence. If anything, it will only create a substantial amount of new murders.

It will never change in the US. Gun companies feed the pockets of politicians/governments - until that system has a complete overhaul and is cleansed of corruption, guns will continue to flourish in all areas of the US.

The thing you will want to ask yourself is WHY did he do it? What lead him to become the man he is today? Who contributed the his behaviour?

[a-tree]

I'm shocked that some people believe that by putting MORE guns in the hands of civilians it would somehow fix gun violence. If anything, it will only create a substantial amount of new murders.

It will never change in the US. Gun companies feed the pockets of politicians/governments - until that system has a complete overhaul and is cleansed of corruption, guns will continue to flourish in all areas of the US.

The thing you will want to ask yourself is WHY did he do it? What lead him to become the man he is today? Who contributed the his behaviour?

Guns are just means to an end. Deranged people will find ways to do deranged things even if all guns in the world were somehow banned and destroyed.

[JustBob]

I'm shocked that some people believe that by putting MORE guns in the hands of civilians it would somehow fix gun violence. If anything, it will only create a substantial amount of new murders.

It will never change in the US. Gun companies feed the pockets of politicians/governments - until that system has a complete overhaul and is cleansed of corruption, guns will continue to flourish in all areas of the US.

The thing you will want to ask yourself is WHY did he do it? What lead him to become the man he is today? Who contributed the his behaviour?

It will never change in the US because you can't ask Americans to change their core values and principles. That's why the right questions are never asked when such tragedies occur, and the discussions remains centered on the surface in the never ending "more guns vs more gun control" circular arguments.

[windforcexx28]

RIP to those that died

[brian.gerson]

Are you really this obtuse?? Target shooting is a violent act. Inflicting violence on cardboard may be less "harmful" than inflicting violence on a person, but it is still violence nonetheless.

If that's the case, I did some violence to some coffee beans and eggs this morning. You'll be taking my coffee grinder from my cold, dead hands though - come and get it.

Ever watched a game of hockey? Or even a Vegas fight? Don't be so prissy.

[laptop-tech]

In hindsight:

Several witnesses that sat in the front rows were able to see the suspect walk up the aisle shooting at the other patrons. Since Colorado is a concealed-carry state the people in the front rows could have stopped the shooter from taking any more lives. Problem here is that the shooter was wearing a bullet proof vest. If you were in the front row and were able to shoot at him, you might have stopped him for a brief moment but then he would turn around and concentrate on firing back at you. You might have saved a few patrons by distracting the shooter but now you've turned his attention towards you.

Even with this scenario I would still rather be trained and armed.

That's why the ONLY solution to this kind of problem is to give everyone tons of ridiculously powerful guns, so that they can stop the crazy guys on the spot. Not like small pistols, but .44 Magnum and assault rifles. Kids should start learning how to protect themselves early, maybe grade 3, so that when the situation presents itself they will have enough experience to deal with it.
The guns are the problem, only more powerful guns can solve it. How hard is it to understand the logic here?

[manmanny]

I don't see any difference with the RFD idiot invoking (anti) Ford in every thread and this murderer. Both the guys have some mental issues.
And talk about movie marshals.



Some theatres and police around the U.S. stepped up security at daytime showings of the new Batman movie Friday after the massacre in Colorado, and while many fans were undeterred by the tragedy, others were nervous about going to see the film.

http://metronewsca.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/security.jpg?w=618&h=408&crop=1

[manmanny]

The last time I checked, Denver was a U.S. city.
Oh wow.

[Mayosandwich]

AURORA, Colo. — Ashley Moser drifted in and out of consciousness in the ICU, bullets lodged in her throat and a gunshot wound to her abdomen. In her waking moments, she called for her 6-year-old daughter Veronica.

Nobody had the heart to tell the 25-year-old mother that Veronica was already dead, the youngest victim killed at a Colorado movie theater in one of the worst mass shootings in U.S. history.

"All she's asking about, of course, is her daughter," said Ashley Moser's aunt Annie Dalton. "She was a vibrant 6-year-old. She was excited, she'd just learned how to swim. She was a great little girl, excited about life — she should be at 6 years old."
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I read about all the 12 deseased but Reading this made me so upset, i almost cried, maybe its cause i have a neice thats 7. I hope the shooter gets hung on national tv for everyone to see.

[brian.gerson]

How about the guy who threw his own child on the ground, left his wounded girlfriend and daughter in the theater, bolted to his car, and drove home. Guy should be shot and pissed on.

[stealth]

As a white person I am deeply saddened and ashamed of these events, and hope that we can all work together to prevent these types of tragedies from occurring in the future.

There.

[neutral]

As a white person I am deeply saddened and ashamed of these events, and hope that we can all work together to prevent these types of tragedies from occurring in the future.

There.

Now we just need to figure out what's going on in the community, and fix some of these cultural problems.

[TodayHello]

roflmaolol @ people thinking that more guns in the audience would of helped stopped this ..... highlights a foolish lack of understanding about what it takes to point a gun at someone and pull the trigger

[neutral]

How about the guy who threw his own child on the ground, left his wounded girlfriend and daughter in the theater, bolted to his car, and drove home. Guy should be shot and pissed on.

SMDH. In fairness though, this is probably what a lot of the heroes posting here, talking about how if they were there they would have strangled him with their bare hands, would have actually done.

[stealth]

Now we just need to figure out what's going on in the community, and fix some of these cultural problems.

Need to send more money, resources, programs to the white community.

[manmanny]

Need to send more money, resources, programs to the white community.

And there should be separate TDSB schools for white community. More jobs for white community in such dire economy otherwise there will be chaos.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

http://static.mamamia.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/bananas.jpg

This thread is bananas.

[manmanny]

How about the guy who threw his own child on the ground, left his wounded girlfriend and daughter in the theater, bolted to his car, and drove home. Guy should be shot and pissed on.
We don't know what you and I will do in such situation. How and what shooter did is mind boggling and same with the above ground.
But there are people who shielded others and died.

[LostInTruth]

Remind me to never attend an RFD Picnic or Movie Premiere.

Lol +1

I see myself posting less on these boards and just back to lurking - people here are juvenile, less we forget the Ragu thread.

[LostInTruth]

And there should be separate TDSB schools for white community. More jobs for white community in such dire economy otherwise there will be chaos.

In other words, nothing changes.

[LostInTruth]

Why do people say "innocent civilians" when they talk about gun control? In the article, was this guy not a "nice, innocent" man before he snapped? Were the men in Barrie who contained bombs in their home not "good, innocent" man? Reality is, we may all appear innocent but some people cannot handle high pressure situations or the shortfalls of life; how the hell should we trust "innocent" folks with guns. Please tell me your criteria for giving "innocent" people guns; because there was once a man named George Zimmerman who had a gun, and shot and killed an unarmed civilian because he perceive danger. Again, tell me your criteria on those who are innocent should have guns? There was an elderly couple, who shot and killed a young Japanese student years ago who mistakenly went to the wrong house for a Halloween party but due to their prejudice, they feared this boy and killed him.

Lastly, listen to the prejudice on these boards. I wouldn't even trust members on this board with a toy gun.

[longitude]

How about the guy who threw his own child on the ground, left his wounded girlfriend and daughter in the theater, bolted to his car, and drove home. Guy should be shot and pissed on.

Where's the link to this one? I didn't read it. Deplorable.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

Where's the link to this one? I didn't read it. Deplorable.

Here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u1cbZTwBx4

[brian.gerson]

Where's the link to this one? I didn't read it. Deplorable.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2176718/The-Dark-Knight-Rises-Colorado-Shooting-Jamie-Rohrs-lost-baby-floor-panic-massacre-cinema.html

[HeavyDutyKronos]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2176718/The-Dark-Knight-Rises-Colorado-Shooting-Jamie-Rohrs-lost-baby-floor-panic-massacre-cinema.html

Haha dude looks like he graduated from the K-Fed school of charm.

[billdozer]

How about the guy who threw his own child on the ground, left his wounded girlfriend and daughter in the theater, bolted to his car, and drove home. Guy should be shot and pissed on.

With comments like this and your constant pro-gun rhetoric, I really wonder what kind of person you are IRL and as some have already mentioned in this thread, would never want to attend an RFD meet because of people like you possibly "losing it".

[brian.gerson]

(It's just an expression.) billdozer, you should see someone about your phobia. As a government-vetted firearms owner, I am less likely to commit any kind of crime than you are.

I just read McGuinty's call for a handgun ban. He is blaming my ownership of a handgun for the violence of thugs, cowards and gangsters who deal in drugs, gambling and prostitution.

Sorry, I am not the problem. I comply with the law. Licensing, training, storage, transport and range safety. I would likely be at the same standard of care due to personal ethics even if I lived int he USA.

McGuinty and folks like you have harsh words for the millions of safety minded gun owners in Canada. Many are Military and Police. They are as trustworthy in civies as they are in uniform protecting our communities and country. They do no deserve the insults of the Premier and the people on this forum.

[Beradon]

roflmaolol @ people thinking that more guns in the audience would of helped stopped this ..... highlights a foolish lack of understanding about what it takes to point a gun at someone and pull the trigger
Some people can psychologically handle this and some people can't. At the end of the day I know I can live with myself if I could've brought this scumbag down with my own hands.

[Beradon]

That's why the ONLY solution to this kind of problem is to give everyone tons of ridiculously powerful guns, so that they can stop the crazy guys on the spot. Not like small pistols, but .44 Magnum and assault rifles. Kids should start learning how to protect themselves early, maybe grade 3, so that when the situation presents itself they will have enough experience to deal with it.
The guns are the problem, only more powerful guns can solve it. How hard is it to understand the logic here?Yes and to counter every argument you like to over exaggerate it with your drivel. I've heard in Israel you're allowed to carry firearms. They have had problems where gunmen/terrorists have gone on rampages shooting at anyone to cause maximum harm. In fact there have been instances where citizens have stopped these gunmen before any more people could be killed.

I'm advocating for concealed carry laws permitting the use of reasonable firearms in certain situations. This of course doesn't mean gun permits should be issued to anyone without proper training and background checks. Would it have helped in this incident or any of the past shooting massacres? Probably. Of course we may never know how many more lives would have been saved since many of the past massacres was stopped by only the police or the gunmen committing suicide. All of the people involved in these incidents weren't carrying guns in these situations.
For you to take such a stand against the use of firearms for protection it seems like you're the type of person that lets the situation take control of you. Good luck with that.

[brian.gerson]

Here is some interesting commentary from a respected scholar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZOX7so3fko&feature=player_embedded

[billdozer]

Excellent post by Jason Alexander:

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/if2nht

I suggest any pro-gun/concealed weapon advocate to give it a read.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

Excellent post by Jason Alexander:

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/if2nht

I suggest any pro-gun/concealed weapon advocate to give it a read.

Good luck with alllll that.

[vero95]

(It's just an expression.) billdozer, you should see someone about your phobia. As a government-vetted firearms owner, I am less likely to commit any kind of crime than you are.

I just read McGuinty's call for a handgun ban. He is blaming my ownership of a handgun for the violence of thugs, cowards and gangsters who deal in drugs, gambling and prostitution.

Sorry, I am not the problem. I comply with the law. Licensing, training, storage, transport and range safety. I would likely be at the same standard of care due to personal ethics even if I lived int he USA.

McGuinty and folks like you have harsh words for the millions of safety minded gun owners in Canada. Many are Military and Police. They are as trustworthy in civies as they are in uniform protecting our communities and country. They do no deserve the insults of the Premier and the people on this forum.

McGuinty has to blame someone to look good while he does nothing

Every time another innocent kid is murdered, there they are out in front of the cameras, bleating for a national handgun ban because it means they don’t have to do anything since that’s a federal issue.

Never mind that handguns have effectively been banned since 1934 and that it hasn’t worked because it’s illegal, not legal, guns that are the problem. McGuinty’s Liberals don’t care about reality, as long as the smoke they’re blowing keeps the spotlight off their own miserable failings on this issue.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/19/mcguinty-useless-on-gun-crime

[MrDisco]

Excellent post by Jason Alexander:
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/if2nht

That was an interesting post. Thank you for sharing it.

[Beradon]

Excellent post by Jason Alexander:

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/if2nht

I suggest any pro-gun/concealed weapon advocate to give it a read.
I've read his post and while I agree there should be restrictions on assault rifles, I don't believe in an outright ban on all guns.

This is my personal opinion but the firearms allowed to permit carrying citizens should only be:

handguns: Yes (but only semi-auto)
assault rifles: No
hunting(or any long ranged) rifles: No (personal views against hunting animals for sport)
shotguns: No
military grade firearms: No

Plus:
Maintain an outright ban on specific ammunition to the public like hollow point or armor piercing bullets.

[hagbard]

Yep, surrender all your weapons to the state. And show us your papers, and go through the body scanners slave! Now get on the truck!

[HeavyDutyKronos]

Yep, surrender all your weapons to the state. And show us your papers, and go through the body scanners slave! Now get on the truck!

Is there pie?

[JustBob]

Excellent post by Jason Alexander:

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/if2nht

I suggest any pro-gun/concealed weapon advocate to give it a read.

Sure, ban these types of weapons but ultimately, the impact on gun violence in the US would be microscopic. Every time one of these mass shootings occurs in the US, Americans go through the same circle jerk "more guns/CCW vs fewer guns/more gun control" debate. This is of course an exercise in futility because the right question(s) are never asked or even pondered, i.e. why is there so much gun violence in the US compared to other nations with high gun ownership?. The answer of course, is not because of more or fewer guns, or more or less gun control, it's because of the gun culture specific to the USA. Mind you, they probably never ask themselves that question because they already know the answer, and trying to change that gun culture would be like asking Americans to become something other than... well... Americans.

So this entire "pro gun vs more gun control" debate is one gigantic fallacy/waste of time. Gun violence will always exist in the US in higher numbers than in any other developed country (with somewhat high gun ownership).

[laptop-tech]

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[LostInTruth]

Brilliant post by Jason Alexander.

[brian.gerson]

Brilliant post by Jason Alexander.

You have a remarkably low bar for "brilliant." I've seen better paper after going to the washroom. Guy is a comedian in every sense.

http://slowfacts.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/simple-lesson.jpg?w=480&h=476

[beerbaron105]

Stupid question, but how does a gun murder someone? Also, some of you have a little too much trust in the "state"

[olssy]

I have very little trust in the state but I also have even less faith in individuals with guns.

[Peckerwood]

This is my personal opinion but the firearms allowed to permit carrying citizens should only be:

handguns: Yes (but only semi-auto)

Plus:
Maintain an outright ban on specific ammunition to the public like hollow point or armor piercing bullets.

The problem with a ban on hollow point ammunition is that full metal jacket bullets in certain calibers tend to over-penetrate and then fly along to hit others. Hollow point projectiles expand internally transferring energy and thus slow right down without leaving the target. Some cartridges like the 7.62x25TT (a pistol cartridge) can penetrate a Level IIIA vest despite not being designed to do so. Basically your position is a diametrically opposed one, in that you don't want bullets to over-penetrate(pierce soft armour), and you don't want them to under penetrate(which will stop dead on soft body armour).

Also...what in your mind is the difference between an assault rifle, and a military grade firearm?

[Mattones]

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/557454_506296326052231_1826832222_n.jpg

Its the person holding the gun. The gun is doing what it should do and fire with a pull of a finger.

[masterhapposai]

I have very little trust in the state but I also have even less faith in individuals with guns.

then you should find out how they are getting illegally purchased guns in Toronto

this guy is an extreme rarity, struck by lightning event. Toronto, we have people dying daily now due to illegally purchased / smuggled guns

[masterhapposai]

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/557454_506296326052231_1826832222_n.jpg

So, the fact that Mexico and nearly every country south of the U.S is fully armed and having nation wide drug wars, has nothing to do with all the killings due to smuggled guns right?

I'd like to see the same stat, showing legal vs illegal guns

[uber_shnitz]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Therefore, I'm not trusting people...(with or without guns)... :)

Before we decide whether legal guns are good or not, we should crackdown on illegal arms smuggling. We obviously can't eliminate it, but we should try to make a good dent into the affair.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Therefore, I'm not trusting people...(with or without guns)... :)

People kill people cheaply with guns.

[LostInTruth]

You have a remarkably low bar for "brilliant." I've seen better paper after going to the washroom. Guy is a comedian in every sense.

http://slowfacts.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/simple-lesson.jpg?w=480&h=476

Could care less about how the message is written, as long as the point is clearly addressed, that is the brilliance in its message.

[jaxx lite]

You have to look at population numbers

Most likely.
all those countries have small populations

and USA has a huge population


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[beerbaron105]

I have very little trust in the state but I also have even less faith in individuals with guns.

When you say individuals, do you mean individuals who obtained these guns illegally with thoughts of using the guns for criminal purposes, or law-abiding citizens that followed due process to obtain proper licenses and storage facilities for the purchased firearms?

[HeavyDutyKronos]

When you say individuals, do you mean individuals who obtained these guns illegally with thoughts of using the guns for criminal purposes, or law-abiding citizens that followed due process to obtain proper licenses and storage facilities for the purchased firearms?

Can't it be both?

[beerbaron105]

Can't it be both?

Of course, freedom of speech, but I would really like to know the rational as to why a criminal with a gun, and a law abiding citizen with a gun would be thrown together, because let's face it, take guns from law abiding citizens, and you still have criminals with illegally obtained weapons, and now everyone becomes a sheep

[kenchau66]

everything happens for a reason

[JustBob]

Pop Quiz: What do you call a criminal before he commits his first offense?

[HeavyDutyKronos]

everything happens for a reason

...is what simple and weak minded people think.

[uber_shnitz]

People kill people cheaply with guns.
They also do so with tanks and knives.


...is what simple and weak minded people think.
Doesn't that describe most of the human population? :lol:

[TodayHello]

Some people can psychologically handle this and some people can't. At the end of the day I know I can live with myself if I could've brought this scumbag down with my own hands.

Are you a police officer? Do you have military training?

Because otherwise, you would have done what everyone else did - drop to the ground and crawl for your life - weapon or not.

We all like to think ourselves Braveheart - but those with training know what it takes to aim a gun and pull a trigger. And it isn't will.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

Are you a police officer? Do you have military training?

Because otherwise, you would have done what everyone else did - drop to the ground and crawl for your life - weapon or not.

We all like to think ourselves Braveheart - but those with training know what it takes to aim a gun and pull a trigger. And it isn't will.

For the record people with military training died in the shooting. So I don't think any amount of police or military training teaches you bullet time dodge techniques. This was shooting fish in a barrel. No one had a chance. People who talk big now about how they would have saved the day are really just insulting the memory of those who were gunned down.

[JustBob]

Well we all know there are a lot of tough guys on the internet. They also tend to have enormous genitals and make hundreds of thousands of dollars every year while living in their parent's basement. ;)

[JustBob]

Doesn't that describe most of the human population? :lol:

Pretty much. Which is why the idea of an armed populace is so silly. Whatever so-called benefits one might get from all those law abiding citizens carrying guns would be quickly neutralized by their stupidity. You'd start seeing people shooting each other when the doors open at Walmart on Boxing Day.

[lead]

since nothing has been released about the shooter. I'd wager its long term undiagnosed schziophrenia. If he didn't use a hand gun or any gun, he argueably may well have used a b@mb or any other device/method or anything to lessen his paranoia or fulfill the delusion. Since it happens to males roughly from the age of late teens and twenties. How do you stop it? Hymm you can't.

Look at it this way. You have it but it doesn't mean your not rational and smart enough to not know it. In fact the opposite, at first you very well notice the symptoms,voices delusions/illusions. But would you seek out treatment? no cure, stigma, your whole future is on the line! You'll do what most think they can do. Say nothing and believe you can keep things under control. Till its too late and if others can't be pick up on the behavior cues? which is what the majority of the time is how schziophrenics finally get help. It goes too far and depending on the symptoms you see extreme cases of anti-social behavior. If its schzio, its not a gun problem! at this extreme case sample another avenue would be seeked out if guns weren't available. Early detection and treatment is the only preventive method. Figuring out how to sucessfully accomplish that is the problem!

[pablonutribar]

You're right. Where did I say that all "violence" should be eliminated in any way, shape, or form, from life? I haven't said that. I am specifically referring to the issue of guns, and why the "duuhhh, cars can kill people, why don't we ban them too??!" type of argument, and why it is not very effective from a logical perspective.

[pablonutribar]

If that's the case, I did some violence to some coffee beans and eggs this morning. You'll be taking my coffee grinder from my cold, dead hands though - come and get it.



Good for you. I won't be coming for your coffee grinder any time soon, thanks.

As you can't possibly be so dumb as to not understand the point, I will assume you are being flippant. I will also assume that this is a sign you concede defeat on this point.

[pablonutribar]

You have to look at population numbers

Most likely.
all those countries have small populations

and USA has a huge population



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You have to understand basic mathematics.

Most likely.
200 times 10 equals 2000.

Argument fail.

Now go back to grade three.

[Anonymouse]

Pop Quiz: What do you call a criminal before he commits his first offense?

Exactly. And since you are a potential drunk driver, the PreCrime Squad is going to come to your house and confiscate your Benz. And to prevent poor innocent women from being raped, the Sterilization Squad is going to be there afterward to remove your testicles.

See, this is why people didn't register their deer guns. They know that all it will take is another LibNDP majority for the confiscations to start as the left dances on the graves of the poor souls in the latest tragedy.

As was said above, we are not the problem. The problem in the tragedy that unfolded last week was an undiagnosed mental illness by all accounts. The problem in the GTA is jobless, alienated youth and a border that is porous to illegal firearms. You folks need to shoot on the net with regard to these problems, not stick handle all over the ice chasing fights with the law-abiding.

[ji2o0k]

We need something like in the Minority Report...to prevent crimes from happening before they happen....that would be awesome!

[hagbard]

I take all my political positions from washed up TV comedy actors.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

I take all my political positions from washed up TV comedy actors.

Bwahahaha

[HeavyDutyKronos]

He's definitely playing crazy in court, trying to look spaced out, puppy dog innocent look going for the insanity defence. Possibly medicated. That's not a expert medical opinion. But regardless, I don't think you should have to be sane to be put to death for mass murder. Murder isn't exactly an everyday sane activity.

You're crazy? That's nice, then you won't really notice what's about to happen next, the court is going to sentence you to dream land sleepytime or fit you for a happy tie.

People like Anders Breivik, methodically and horrifically kill 70 children and then as punishment the people should pay to feed, hospitalize and protect them for life? This is not the sign of a civilized society, it's the sign of a stupid one.

Also he doesn't look like the Joker, he looks like Ronald McDonald. Another reason for the death penalty.

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[flashy_mcflash]

Most high-security mental institutions of the type that Breivik is in, make prison look like Chuck E Cheese.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

Aurora shooting suspect James Holmes jailed in solitary: On the suspect’s first night in jail, other prisoners serenaded him with a chant of “kid killer” — a reference to the fatal shooting of a 6-year-old girl. “All the inmates were talking about killing him,” Wayne Medley, 24, said as he left the facility. “Everyone was looking for an opportunity. It’s all they could talk about.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aurora-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-jailed-solitary-inmates-talking-killing-article-1.1119173

[Agafaba]

That's why we need more guns in the hands of concerned citizens. If everyone in the theater had a gun to shoot back, this would have been much different.

I can only imagine the result of 100 panicked people shooting through crowds of people shooting at some guy shooting up at them, anyone sitting below the shooter would have been dead for sure.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

Also: Chris Martin, how could you? hasn't your music terrorized the world enough?

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[longitude]

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What goes inside the mind of this lunatic?

Was he under medication?

Can his brain be examined after his execution?

I wonder if such law exists in the USA.

[Anonymouse]

I can only imagine the result of 100 panicked people shooting through crowds of people shooting at some guy shooting up at them, anyone sitting below the shooter would have been dead for sure.

Actually, when he was low down in the room and someone could have shot him down the aisle from an elevated position, the backstop was the concrete floor. It was an ideal scenario for a concealed carry defender. What complicated it was the body armor the guy was wearing. It's not clear whether it was hard or soft armor. If soft, hitting him definitely would have slowed him down or even stopped him long enough for someone to tackle him. Even just shooting into the wall behind him would have slowed him down and reduced the casualties, but he was completely unopposed.

But we will never know, because it was illegal (!) for the innocent citizens in that room to defend themselves. Someone should go to jail or at least be sued into oblivion for putting that "No guns" sign up.

Would someone have taken the shot had they been allowed to carry? You betcha. The kind of people who carry in the States do repetitive drills just so they will react correctly in a scenario like this one. People train like that in Canada too, in the IDPA and IPSC. It is very popular. If you look at the hit/miss ratio in concealed carry incidents in the US, the civilians do better than the police.

[uber_shnitz]

Concealed carrying is allowed in Colorado with permit though no?

[Anonymouse]

Concealed carrying is allowed in Colorado with permit though no?

I don't know the particular laws in Colorado, but in most of the States if the management puts up a "No guns" sign, it is a federal crime to enter the building with one. I saw a picture of such a sign on the outside of this theatre.

[uber_shnitz]

I don't know the particular laws in Colorado, but in most of the States if the management puts up a "No guns" sign, it is a federal crime to enter the building with one. I saw a picture of such a sign on the outside of this theatre.
I don't know I didn't look very precisely, but I know you're allowed to carry with a permit in Colorado.

I'm more concerned with how easily the perpetrator managed to get guns and so much ammunition legally.That IMO is more of an issue in terms of gun laws.

[Anonymouse]

The thing that strikes me about it is how well-thought-out the whole thing was. People are in a darkened theatre, there is gunfire blaring from all the speakers (which are turned up to 11 in my experience), people are in their own little worlds. He has body armor, a throat protector, and is throwing CS (?) gas canisters into the crowd. The poor people there probably thought it was part of the show.

It's just inexpressibly evil. I don't think any laws can protect us from intelligent people who have psychotic breaks like that. You can't legislate against crazy.

[divx]

ok, the guy is clearly guilty, why do they insist on wasting time and money? just give him the death plenty and be done with it.

[uber_shnitz]

The thing that strikes me about it is how well-thought-out the whole thing was. People are in a darkened theatre, there is gunfire blaring from all the speakers (which are turned up to 11 in my experience), people are in their own little worlds. He has body armor, a throat protector, and is throwing CS (?) gas canisters into the crowd. The poor people there probably thought it was part of the show.

It's just inexpressibly evil. I don't think any laws can protect us from intelligent people who have psychotic breaks like that. You can't legislate against crazy.
You can't legislate to stop it no, but you can sure as hell make it as hard for them as possible.

[olssy]

It's called due process and without it our justice system becomes a joke with those in power deciding who to put in jail.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

Love Hurts.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/23/james-holmes-colorado-shooter-sex-adult-friend-finder-rejected/

[JustBob]

Exactly. And since you are a potential drunk driver, the PreCrime Squad is going to come to your house and confiscate your Benz. And to prevent poor innocent women from being raped, the Sterilization Squad is going to be there afterward to remove your testicles.

See, this is why people didn't register their deer guns. They know that all it will take is another LibNDP majority for the confiscations to start as the left dances on the graves of the poor souls in the latest tragedy.

As was said above, we are not the problem. The problem in the tragedy that unfolded last week was an undiagnosed mental illness by all accounts. The problem in the GTA is jobless, alienated youth and a border that is porous to illegal firearms. You folks need to shoot on the net with regard to these problems, not stick handle all over the ice chasing fights with the law-abiding.

I said nothing about confiscating anything. My point was to illustrate that you can't just neatly separate a population between criminals and law abiding citizens. That's just another one of those silly black or white arguments.

[hagbard]

He's going to get the Oswald treatment.

[Peckerwood]

ok, the guy is clearly guilty, why do they insist on wasting time and money? just give him the death plenty and be done with it.

It is called Due Process, and it has been around for nearly 800 years. It is designed to keep government in check and stop them from using such death penalties to kill political opponents.

If you change it for one person then you damn the concept of equality before the law. So either you eliminate equality before the law, and end up killing innocent people, or you accept the fact that EVERYONE has a right to Due Process of law. Funny how you seem to value time and money over life.

[Abel4Life]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Therefore, I'm not trusting people...(with or without guns)... :)

Before we decide whether legal guns are good or not, we should crackdown on illegal arms smuggling. We obviously can't eliminate it, but we should try to make a good dent into the affair.

+1.

9/11 there were 0 guns used and look at the result.

[Peckerwood]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_AzbbH3Q-4cQ/TJeqNsCQGzI/AAAAAAAAAVM/SxQn5sjhaH0/s1600/beaker-muppet.jpg

[HeavyDutyKronos]

^ lol

TMZ: The family that conspires to mass murder together, stays together.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/23/james-holmes-family-speaks-out/

[longitude]

Whenever I hear about killings on the news it goes like this:

drive by or crime related: black
terrorist: arab
gutted his victim and ate his intestines: white


:D

[hagbard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzcE0V5jVJY&feature=player_embedded

[longitude]

^^^ So there's an accomplice? That's not being reported by the news, right?

[Corleone187]

Guns were less of an issue in the 60s I think lol

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2893507/60s.jpg (http://www.rhetro.com/2012/07/retro-gun-control.html)

[divx]

It is called Due Process, and it has been around for nearly 800 years. It is designed to keep government in check and stop them from using such death penalties to kill political opponents.

If you change it for one person then you damn the concept of equality before the law. So either you eliminate equality before the law, and end up killing innocent people, or you accept the fact that EVERYONE has a right to Due Process of law. Funny how you seem to value time and money over life.

why does it have to take years for the trial? this guy is so obviously guilty it should take no more than a day to hear his last words

[Corleone187]

why does it have to take years for the trial? this guy is so obviously guilty it should take no more than a day to hear his last words

Cause it's the procedure that's important. It basically gives legitimacy to the legal system. Without it no one would ever take the legal system, sentencing, verdicts etc seriously

[manmanny]

ok, the guy is clearly guilty, why do they insist on wasting time and money? just give him the death plenty and be done with it.
Not proven in court system. Yet. He can be not guilty by insanity.

[longitude]

http://i.imgur.com/2QHPF.jpg

[laptop-tech]

Pop Quiz: What do you call a criminal before he commits his first offense?

We call them "people exercising their right to carry guns legally", like this guy :

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1230847--3-arrested-in-dark-knight-related-incidents-accused-of-making-threats



A Maine man was arrested when he told authorities that he was on his way to shoot a former employer a day after watching “The Dark Knight Rises,” Maine state police said Monday.

Timothy Courtois of Biddeford, Maine, had been stopped for speeding, and a police search of his car found an AK-47 assault weapon, four handguns, ammunition and news clippings about the mass shooting that left 12 people dead early Friday, authorities said.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

SUPER HOTTIE: Meet America's Most Eligible Bachelor

http://jezebel.com/5927828/disturbing-james-holmes-twitter-groupies-think-hes-hot-sexy-cute

[manmanny]

SUPER HOTTIE: Meet America's Most Eligible Bachelor

http://jezebel.com/5927828/disturbing-james-holmes-twitter-groupies-think-hes-hot-sexy-cute
She is just trying to have her 5 mts of fame. Its the new digital age.

[zz000ter]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/487282_403556646358827_271527399_n.jpg

[HeavyDutyKronos]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m31it2d3BU1r06cho.jpg

[Haz]

She is just trying to have her 5 mts of fame. Its the new digital age.

Her and many others.

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/5217/originalil.jpg

[desidealer49]

Her and many others.

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/5217/originalil.jpg

I would like to ask them all what if he was standing in front of all of you with the assault rifle in his hands locked and loaded? Ready to blast? Would you think he is cute before you try to run away for your life.

Heartless society.

[uber_shnitz]

Interestingly enough, gun sales spiked in Colorado following the shooting, yet nobody questioned the gun regulations on how easily the guy managed to get guns and order ammo online.

[Haz]

I would like to ask them all what if he was standing in front of all of you with the assault rifle in his hands locked and loaded? Ready to blast? Would you think he is cute before you try to run away for your life.

Heartless society.
Token Taco's pic looks like she would fit right in with him.


Interestingly enough, gun sales spiked in Colorado following the shooting, yet nobody questioned the gun regulations on how easily the guy managed to get guns and order ammo online.

It was up something like 43% over the previous week.

They'll talk about the gun laws here and there but nothing will come of it. Americans love their guns too much to have them taken away. The NRA can't be pushed around.

[webdoctors]

Her and many others.

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/5217/originalil.jpg

wow, lots of crazy ppl in the world. I wonder how many ppl would say the same thing about Paul Bernardo after he was convicted of torture and murder.

I'm almost 100% positive these ppl aren't serious, no way.

[longitude]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/487282_403556646358827_271527399_n.jpg

sorry, I didn't quite understand the message...

what is that wacko talking about?

[GunnerX]

sorry, I didn't quite understand the message...

what is that wacko talking about?

http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html

[longitude]

http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html

So that Holmes is just like a Lee Harvey Osvald?

There's a greater conspiracy behind him?

Who's that wacko in the pic above BTW?

reminds me of The Office......

http://newspaper.li/static/3e08b82c4414dcabe225fd5e3dd054f5.jpg

[hagbard]

I think this has the same sort of flavour as 9/11. Seems to be dying down really fast though. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

[flashy_mcflash]

I think this has the same sort of flavour as 9/11.

How so?

[hagbard]

How so?

Large terrorist event with lots of questions about "how" and "why". And strange background stories and obvious repercussions that benefit certain agendas. And like 9/11, I'm not alone in my perceptions.

[manmanny]

Wow. I did not see this (conspiracy theory) coming.

[flashy_mcflash]

Large terrorist event with lots of questions about "how" and "why". And strange background stories and obvious repercussions that benefit certain agendas. And like 9/11, I'm not alone in my perceptions.

I guess if you look for this kind of stuff you can find it anywhere. In the scheme of things though, especially on a worldwide scale, this would not be considered a 'large' terrorist event by any stretch.

[hagbard]

I guess if you look for this kind of stuff you can find it anywhere. In the scheme of things though, especially on a worldwide scale, this would not be considered a 'large' terrorist event by any stretch.

Large for domestic terrorism in the US, I believe it ranks number 2. Doesn't matter about how it rates on a world wide scale but how it effects American perceptions.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

I know what will solve this situation.

More guns!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/07/25/gun-sales-colorado.html

Oprah: You get a gun! And you get a gun! You're all getting guns y'alllll!!

[flashy_mcflash]

Large for domestic terrorism in the US, I believe it ranks number 2. Doesn't matter about how it rates on a world wide scale but how it effects American perceptions.

How could it be #2? 12 people died, compared with 168 (including 19 kids) in Oklahoma City. Only 6 people died in the first Trade Centre bombing but something like 1000 people were injured. 3000 on 9/11. 13 people died at Columbine.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

How could it be #2? 12 people died, compared with 168 (including 19 kids) in Oklahoma City. Only 6 people died in the first Trade Centre bombing but something like 1000 people were injured. 13 people died at Columbine.

The number of casualties makes the incident the largest mass shooting in U.S. history.

[flashy_mcflash]

The number of casualties makes the incident the largest mass shooting in U.S. history.

Again, Columbine had almost the same number. One more, actually. Hagbard never specified 'shooting', he said 'terrorist attacks'.

[longitude]

I'm still confused.

What's the idea behind this conspiracy theory?

Who's behind it?

The guvernment or some wacko group like the Timothy McVeigh gang?

[HeavyDutyKronos]

I'm still confused.

What's the idea behind this conspiracy theory?

Who's behind it?

http://southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com/shared/characters/non-human/crab-people.jpg

[longitude]

http://southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com/shared/characters/non-human/crab-people.jpg

Expand.

[rUn-gUn]

This is the conspiracy stuff people are eluding to... I'm just providing the links I really have no opinion on any of this stuff as I think lots of conspiracy theory is crazy far fetched and contrived. But its always interesting and I do agree there are some strange things with this case and lots of unanswered questions that hopefully we will learn more about in the future.

http://gawker.com/5928451/here-are-the-most-insane-aurora-shooting-conspiracy-theories

http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html
The timing with this UN meeting: http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/06/07/u-n-agreement-should-have-all-gun-owners-up-in-arms/

Basically the conspiracy tries to inform us that its common for governments to create these events and sacrifice few of its own people to further their agendas for power. Its nothing new as far as conspiracy goes. It also points out many case details that they interpret as not accurate or just couldn't be true in regards to what the media is reporting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?pagewanted=all

[HeavyDutyKronos]

Expand.

Crab people. Taste like crab. Talk like people.

[divx]

Crab people. Taste like crab. Talk like people.

makes sense

[longitude]

Crab people. Taste like crab. Talk like people.

Are they dangerous?
Do they kill?

[JK_85]

mmm crab people

[divx]

Are they dangerous?
Do they kill?

carb people don't kill, carb people with guns do.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

^ low carb diets kill people.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

The Notebook

The man accused of the shooting rampage in a Denver-area screening of the latest "Batman" movie mailed a notebook detailing his plans to a psychiatrist days before the attack, FoxNews.com reported on Wednesday, as the first funeral was held for one of the 12 people killed ... FoxNews.com quoted its source saying: "Inside the package was a notebook full of details about how he was going to kill people. There were drawings of what he was going to do in it - drawings and illustrations of the massacre." Images in the notebook included drawings of stick-figures shooting at other stick figures, the FoxNews.com report said.

http://news.yahoo.com/colorado-shooting-victims-wife-baby-7-victims-still-022659921.html

http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/extras/image/name/san1/181/139181/player_m16_shooting.jpg

[longitude]

The Notebook

The man accused of the shooting rampage in a Denver-area screening of the latest "Batman" movie mailed a notebook detailing his plans to a psychiatrist days before the attack, FoxNews.com reported on Wednesday, as the first funeral was held for one of the 12 people killed ... FoxNews.com quoted its source saying: "Inside the package was a notebook full of details about how he was going to kill people. There were drawings of what he was going to do in it - drawings and illustrations of the massacre." Images in the notebook included drawings of stick-figures shooting at other stick figures, the FoxNews.com report said.

http://news.yahoo.com/colorado-shooting-victims-wife-baby-7-victims-still-022659921.html

http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/extras/image/name/san1/181/139181/player_m16_shooting.jpg

so there's no conspiracy.

the guy is loco.

lock him up or deport him to guantanamo.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

Note: That's just a random googled image of a stick figure with a gun, it is not from the notebook mentioned in the news article.

[hagbard]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/557241_3664735776776_2141464312_n.jpg
carb people don't kill, carb people with guns do.

[UrbanPoet]

Her and many others.

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/5217/originalil.jpg

How they heck can such a tragedy turn into an internet meme such as this...
I fear that the way the accused is being 'praised' (albiet sarcastically), might inspire more mass killers.


Interestingly enough, gun sales spiked in Colorado following the shooting, yet nobody questioned the gun regulations on how easily the guy managed to get guns and order ammo online.

The issues seems more to do with mental health.
We can start by removing the stigma. and hopefully create less barriers to mental health treatment.

But it takes something extra for someone to go that far.
Apparently the guy was very well skilled in the field of science. I'm sure if he had no access to guns... He could have mad a bomb... Or light a pre-school on fire. OR even drive a large rental truck through a crowded street festival, which could easily kill dozens of people.

A man in japan went on a kill spree where he went around a pre-school stabbing toddlers. I think he took out about a dozen kids.

[manmanny]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/557241_3664735776776_2141464312_n.jpg
What? Is it on your Facebook?

[masterhapposai]

How they heck can such a tragedy turn into an internet meme such as this...
I fear that the way the accused is being 'praised' (albiet sarcastically), might inspire more mass killers.


Unfortunately, quite a few are actually serious.

[lead]

Their is kinda a conspiracy. The media is not focusing on the audiences vulnerability at theatrical events. People didn't run away until they were shot at first. He fired at the ceilling before the crowd. He did it right in front of them exactly where all of the attention would be focused. People reported they thought it was staged at first, part of the venue the hype etc. Thats whats rather frightening. He took advantage of everyone who entered the building had already began their suspension of disbelief which everyone does when they go to watch a movie.

So The fact that the venue itself makes people quite overly vulnerable for a short period of time. I don't think the entertainment industry wants to popularize that discussion. Might hurt sales, might be the last nail in the coffin for an entire venue hurt by the home theatre that has begun to replace it. If you remember the oscars many of the speakers continually highlited the need to revigorate the theatre experience. An act like this does alot of damage even beyond the incalculable loss of human life we already witnessed. Just something to think about. Remember its not like transportation. Where we have to use public transportation for everyday life, so even though a person was decapitated by an individual sitting behind them on a bus we all continued to use public transportation in one form or another. Here after this event! well people don't have to go to the theatre anymore to experience the theatre. Will we be as compromising with the theatre in the future. Of course many will still go. But I think many will stop as well. And their you see the power of terrorism even without a political motivation. I guess what I find interesting is how the media will handle it. Since the news media is in bed with the entertainment industry. Hymm was rupert murdoch's onging investigation ever discussed in detail on any of his owned media sources? Without googling I'm guessing it hasn't, atleast not negatively towards him.

[tonychau]

i think that is abit extreme, Eation Centre is doing fine after the shooting. You don't see it being shut down or close yet.


Their is kinda a conspiracy. The media is not focusing on the audiences vulnerability at theatrical events. People didn't run away until they were shot at first. He fired at the ceilling before the crowd. He did it right in front of them exactly where all of the attention would be focused. People reported they thought it was staged at first, part of the venue the hype etc. Thats whats rather frightening. He took advantage of everyone who entered the building had already began their suspension of disbelief which everyone does when they go to watch a movie.

So The fact that the venue itself makes people quite overly vulnerable for a short period of time. I don't think the entertainment industry wants to popularize that discussion. Might hurt sales, might be the last nail in the coffin for an entire venue hurt by the home theatre that has begun to replace it. If you remember the oscars many of the speakers continually highlited the need to revigorate the theatre experience. An act like this does alot of damage even beyond the incalculable loss of human life we already witnessed. Just something to think about. Remember its not like transportation. Where we have to use public transportation for everyday life, so even though a person was decapitated by an individual sitting behind them on a bus we all continued to use public transportation in one form or another. Here after this event! well people don't have to go to the theatre anymore to experience the theatre. Will we be as compromising with the theatre in the future. Of course many will still go. But I think many will stop as well. And their you see the power of terrorism even without a political motivation. I guess what I find interesting is how the media will handle it. Since the news media is in bed with the entertainment industry. Hymm was rupert murdoch's onging investigation ever discussed in detail on any of his owned media sources? Without googling I'm guessing it hasn't, atleast not negatively towards him.

[longitude]

Their is kinda a conspiracy.

They're or hours?

[Cough]

Here's Irony - Broomhilda from July 25 (obviously penned before incident)

http://www.comicstripnation.com/broom-hilda/images/broom-hilda-20120725csbhl-a-large.jpg

[retteas]

until they ban guns completely in the USA this kind of volence will continue, when anyone can go into a gunstore in the afternoon and buy a rifle and ammo and a mask, and be ready to shoot and kill people in the theather by nighttime. the USA needs to ban firearms.

[manmanny]

until they ban guns completely in the USA this kind of volence will continue, when anyone can go into a gunstore in the afternoon and buy a rifle and ammo and a mask, and be ready to shoot and kill people in the theather by nighttime. the USA needs to ban firearms.
No wrong Approcach. Not going to work. Weirdos find ways.

Why Obama is mum on this one? Because he knows he is going to lose.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

No wrong Approcach. Not going to work. Weirdos find ways.

Why Obama is mum on this one? Because he knows he is going to lose.

Obama Renews Push to Reduce Gun Violence
Jul 25, 2012 10:20pm

NEW ORLEANS — In his most extensive remarks on gun control since the tragedy in Tucson, President Obama tonight renewed his push to reduce gun violence, saying “AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals.”

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/obama-renews-push-to-reduce-gun-violence-2/

[manmanny]

Obama Renews Push to Reduce Gun Violence
Jul 25, 2012 10:20pm

NEW ORLEANS — In his most extensive remarks on gun control since the tragedy in Tucson, President Obama tonight renewed his push to reduce gun violence, saying “AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals.”

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/obama-renews-push-to-reduce-gun-violence-2/

So basically he fell to the pressure from his democratic friends and channels. Politics is crazy.

add

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/24/dems_keep_mum_on_guns/

not going more political than this now.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

So basically he fell to the pressure from his democratic friends and channels. Politics is crazy.

add

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/24/dems_keep_mum_on_guns/

not going more political than this now.

Sounds like no matter what he does he's already wrong in your eyes. Your link is outdated by mine.

[manmanny]

Sounds like no matter what he does he's already wrong in your eyes. Your link is outdated by mine.

As I said I cant go more political. But you need to see/read/watch and see the pressure he was facing (from Left) which you clearly missed and interpreting about my posts. My posts shows the pattern and not my Bias. Your post shows you are Noob for this topic.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

As I said I cant go more political. But you need to see/read/watch and see the pressure he was facing (from Left) which you clearly missed and interpreting about my posts. My posts shows the pattern and not my Bias. Your post shows you are Noob for this topic.

http://i.qkme.me/3oh3kb.jpg

[hagbard]

Its all semantics.

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/06/10/18-afghan-civilians-join-obama-mass-murder-victim-list-143321/

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/3%20james%20holmes%20meme.jpg

[ishfish]

My 2 cents.

Health care in the USA also needs to be brought into question.
In Canada we are very fortunate - we fund some very expensive medications for serious and disabling mental illnesses.

It is not just in the price of the injection/pill - but also in the cost of professionals who administer, moniter, read blood tests... Canadians acknowledge the importance of effective treatment and do something about it.
Americans - they seem to fight healthcare.

[lead]

My 2 cents.

Health care in the USA also needs to be brought into question.
In Canada we are very fortunate - we fund some very expensive medications for serious and disabling mental illnesses.

It is not just in the price of the injection/pill - but also in the cost of professionals who administer, moniter, read blood tests... Canadians acknowledge the importance of effective treatment and do something about it.
Americans - they seem to fight healthcare.

its far from perfect. Its 18.50 for a bottle of low dose 80mg aspirin while 350mg coated is 6 bucks for the same amount.

We have a propensity and policy to use physician based diagnosis(qualitative) vs quantitative labratory testing to determine certain illnesses and it costs us a fortune in potential wrongful diagnosis and treatment thru prescriptions meds(pharmacare). Its needs a serious overhaul and less dependent on 3rd party lobbyists to influence policy in this country. You'll realize its a similar relationship between pharmacutical companies and healthcare as bell,rogers has with crtc. We need to give physicians the proper training,labratory and access to the current meds to treat conditions and an improved method for second opinion diagnosis. Perhaps thats the cost for health care or how powerful corporations can have even more influence in a socialist society than one would first think. However heath care is provincially different across provinces, some are better than others.

[ishfish]

its far from perfect. Its 18.50 for a bottle of low dose 80mg aspirin while 350mg coated is 6 bucks for the same amount.

We have a propensity and policy to use physician based diagnosis(qualitative) vs quantitative labratory testing to determine certain illnesses and it costs us a fortune in potential wrongful diagnosis and treatment thru prescriptions meds(pharmacare). Its needs a serious overhaul and less dependent on 3rd party lobbyists to influence policy in this country. You'll realize its a similar relationship between pharmacutical companies and healthcare as bell,rogers has with crtc. We need to give physicians the proper training,labratory and access to the current meds to treat conditions and an improved method for second opinion diagnosis. Perhaps thats the cost for health care or how powerful corporations can have even more influence in a socialist society than one would first think. However heath care is provincially different across provinces, some are better than others.

Yes, our healthcare is far from perfect - but I'd rather have schizophrenia in Canada that in the USA - unfortunately there are provincial variations. There are also many illnesses for which we currently lack quantitative tests.

[Simaahoy]

Why do Americans arm up as if they're in Somalia?

[Peckerwood]

Why do Americans arm up as if they're in Somalia?

Common sights in Mogadishu traffic
http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/mog_05_29/m03_19100651.jpg

Common sights in New York traffic
http://a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/119/ba7026989b904636928a65765e605a33/l.jpg


I will wait while you learn the difference

[tighty whities]

My 2 cents.

Health care in the USA also needs to be brought into question.
In Canada we are very fortunate - we fund some very expensive medications for serious and disabling mental illnesses.

It is not just in the price of the injection/pill - but also in the cost of professionals who administer, moniter, read blood tests... Canadians acknowledge the importance of effective treatment and do something about it.
Americans - they seem to fight healthcare.

unless think have changed over the last year...

http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/03/22/mental-health-care-for-the-few/1/

[Haz]

unless think have changed over the last year...

http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/03/22/mental-health-care-for-the-few/1/

We're trying.

http://mindcheck.ca/

[Simaahoy]

Common sights in Mogadishu traffic
http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/mog_05_29/m03_19100651.jpg

Common sights in New York traffic
http://a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/119/ba7026989b904636928a65765e605a33/l.jpg


I will wait while you learn the difference

:razz: I don't get it

[tighty whities]

We're trying.

http://mindcheck.ca/

just thought that post was funny. The bold claims that were being made, which seems to contradict what's really going on.

Oh look, the U.S. is trying too: NIMH (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/index.shtml), who would have thought?

[lead]

Common sights in Mogadishu traffic
http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/mog_05_29/m03_19100651.jpg

Common sights in New York traffic
http://a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/119/ba7026989b904636928a65765e605a33/l.jpg


I will wait while you learn the difference

I guess you never saw north dallas forty, it had a hunting scene that looked alot like that only with beer too.

So well your looking at a city lets look at some variety of outback folk besides americans prefer to not waste money on cheap labour when 1 gun can do the job yourself.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh283/Qreg666/97a45-redneck.jpg

now sometimes even rednecks need to relax

http://www.petersenshunting.com/files/2012/07/Hot-tub-rifle.jpg

or maybe they can conceal there guns better

http://cdn.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/classic_accessories_seat_back_gun_rack.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll301/hammerz71/101_0066.jpg

heck u may need one when golfing

http://www.gunracksplus.com/catalog/new%20gc%20008.jpg

and to highlite things haven't changed their's already gun racks for volts the energy conscious redneck who knows traffic jams on freeways can get ugly and you'll need multiple guns when car pooling.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/wp-content/uploads//2012/02/Volt-Gunrack.jpg

and is that a 12 gauge riot shotgun at the bottom hymm that kinda leaves out for hunting purposes

I don't know whats more frightening. A truck load of weapon carrying kids like your photo, driving down my front street or to find out this guy lives next door!!

http://grouchymuffin.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/guitar-redneck-gansta-redneck-guitar-gun-gangsta-1291577260.jpg

buddy I was backing off when I saw the speedo and mullet, the guns are simply just overkill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OEVL9DhMp3U#!

is this a common commercial when watching cbc up north or fox down south?

[Haz]

just thought that post was funny. The bold claims that were being made, which seems to contradict what's really going on.

Oh look, the U.S. is trying too: NIMH (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/index.shtml), who would have thought?

Mind Check was something that started with the death of former Vancouver Canucks Rick Rypien. The Canucks organization is involved in it's creation so it does get message out fairly well here in the GVR at least.