How to lower Canada's violent crimes [Archive]

DrXenon

Jul 21st, 2012, 01:34 PM

A more sane immigration policy along the lines of New Zealand's. People apply for permission to apply and then the government decides whom to invite for an interview based on what they are bringing to the table. No university degree? No tickee, no laundry. Member of a profession that has less than full employment? Try Canada, they'll take anybody.

aTriangle

Jul 21st, 2012, 01:38 PM

Meditation training for all!

jaxx lite

Jul 21st, 2012, 01:48 PM

Accept that violence, sexual molestation, murder, bullying, rape, racism, poverty, mental illness, stealing, scamming, gold digging, etc etc is part of life
and will never go away

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Forhad

Jul 21st, 2012, 01:49 PM

A dual commitment to targeted enforcement and prevention - things like after school programs and mentoring. Law enforcement resources must be deployed consistently with broader crime prevention objectives.

IamToronto

Jul 21st, 2012, 01:53 PM

lets think about healthcare.

if you could prevent an illness, would you? of course you would
if you were ill and can treat the illness, would you? of course..

but what is marketted more? preventing the illness from ever occuring... or treating the illness after its already happened?
of course the latter.. because there is more money in it.

same applies here, the system needs crime in order to continue getting money and resources for bullcrap to make people think cops and what not are actually doing anything.
there is no money in a crimeless society with our system the way it is.. so they will never find a true solution to this.
and yes, cops DO have a quota to meet... if there is no crime they create it ;)

IamToronto

Jul 21st, 2012, 01:55 PM

Meditation training for all!

this will fix the entire world :)

the problem is people dont want to believe that something free and so simple can change their lives for the better so significantly.

everyone should take at least 30-60 minutes to meditate daily

Kris81

Jul 21st, 2012, 02:17 PM

Ottomaddox

Jul 21st, 2012, 02:23 PM

More hugs!

FunSave22

Jul 21st, 2012, 02:36 PM

mathu83

Jul 21st, 2012, 02:39 PM

death penalty for having or using pistols/assault rifles.

FunSave22

Jul 21st, 2012, 02:45 PM

death penalty for having or using pistols/assault rifles.
You must really hate cops.

It you make the penalty for possessing a weapon extremely high, it just means anyone with a weapon will go to extreme steps to avoid being caught, such as shooting cops.

The US has tried to approach of extremely strong penalties in their war on drugs. Remind me how well that worked.

Aznsilvrboy

Jul 21st, 2012, 03:09 PM

You must really hate cops.

It you make the penalty for possessing a weapon extremely high, it just means anyone with a weapon will go to extreme steps to avoid being caught, such as shooting cops.

The US has tried to approach of extremely strong penalties in their war on drugs. Remind me how well that worked.

Works very well in China...trafficking marijuana? Executed.

FunSave22

Jul 21st, 2012, 03:24 PM

Yes, but China is a totalitarian dictatorship. There's a lot to things you can do to get yourself severely punished or killed that are perfectly fine in a western democracy.

I see no reason to use its legal system (if you could call it that) as a model for anything, except what not to do.

terrorencee

Jul 21st, 2012, 04:08 PM

Deploy the military police to the troubled neighborhoods. That will scare them! /s

I think the violent crime rate isn't that bad in Toronto. It's just the recent events that happened makes us think it is.

vlado416

Jul 21st, 2012, 04:16 PM

With all these shootings going on, what do you think would be the best strategy to lower violent crimes in Canada?
The best strategy would be to stop glorifying crimes and guns on tv, movies and politics which would be to outright ban them.
Seeing as most people live in the cities , there is no point in having them. But seeing also as crime and guns are a big business
for "entertainment" industry as well as something that keeps politics at status quo, I don't see that they would sign their own death warrant on their careers.
No it's much easier to blame "crazy and insane" and to build dictatorial police state.

Ebeniz

Jul 21st, 2012, 04:29 PM

Do exactly what we've been doing for the past 40 years. The crime rate and violent crime rate is quite low and has been dropping for much of the past 40 years.

Just because people believe that Canada has a high violent crime rate doesn't make it true. We shouldn't make out policies based on beliefs that are easily proved wrong. No matter what the people with the incorrect beliefs demand.

Exactly what I was thinking. It's not getting worst, it's actually getting better... You wouldn't know it from watching the news though.

http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/nl1231a010x-read-only.jpg

sandikosh

Jul 21st, 2012, 04:30 PM

The best strategy would be to stop glorifying crimes and guns on tv, movies and politics which would be to outright ban them.
Seeing as most people live in the cities , there is no point in having them. But seeing also as crime and guns are a big business
for "entertainment" industry as well as something that keeps politics at status quo, I don't see that they would sign their own death warrant on their careers.
No it's much easier to blame "crazy and insane" and to build dictatorial police state.

I agree. The only type of videogames we all should play are "Tetris" types. The only music we should listen is "elevator" music. The only movies we should watch are "Barney The Dinosaur" types. Who wouldn't want to live a life with all this excitement!

criminal

Jul 21st, 2012, 04:33 PM

How could any answer other than prevention be considered? At least in Canada's case

spike1128

Jul 21st, 2012, 10:56 PM

Exactly what I was thinking. It's not getting worst, it's actually getting better... You wouldn't know it from watching the news though.

http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/nl1231a010x-read-only.jpg

Looks like from the map in Toronto. The safest parts are: Etobicoke (aka Mayor Ford's stronghold), Forest Hill (Midtown-central), North side of North York (Uptown-central), and in the middle of nowhere past the edges of Toronto in the far East is the safest. Glad I picked a good area to live in with not much crimes. :)

tim-x

Jul 22nd, 2012, 10:14 AM

How could any answer other than prevention be considered? At least in Canada's case

Because you have politicians and thr people that vote for them that think that putting people in jail for longer is the answer. Some of these people also want to "evict" these criminals from their city trampling on the charter and consequently just making it someone else's problem. A very uneducated and shirt sighted view.

gilboman

Jul 22nd, 2012, 12:39 PM

Works very well in China...trafficking marijuana? Executed.
how does it work in china??

in china it's payoff cops lol

forthewinwin

Jul 22nd, 2012, 12:40 PM

Because you have politicians and thr people that vote for them that think that putting people in jail for longer is the answer. Some of these people also want to "evict" these criminals from their city trampling on the charter and consequently just making it someone else's problem. A very uneducated and shirt sighted view.

I won't agree that putting people in jail longer is the complete answer, but some sentences are far too light.

gman

Jul 22nd, 2012, 01:14 PM

Works very well in China...trafficking marijuana? Executed.

1. Usually the low level bad guy who cannot pay off the police or the high level guy who pissed off the police or some powerful politicians.
2. Often the one who was executed is not necessary the one who committed the crime but the police picked one who did not commit it.

yabadaba

Jul 22nd, 2012, 01:16 PM

Aw, you can come up with statistics to prove anything. Forty percent of all people know that.

Exactly what I was thinking. It's not getting worst, it's actually getting better... You wouldn't know it from watching the news though.

http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/nl1231a010x-read-only.jpg

bullionaire

Jul 22nd, 2012, 01:28 PM

gman

Jul 22nd, 2012, 01:44 PM

Canada? You mean Toronto.

Well, this is what happens when you bring a Conservative party into power. First they take away your rights (Unions not allowed the right to strike) and then a bunch of people start shooting each other.

Huh! Do you also mean Toronto? Ontario government is Liberals, not Conservative. I personally don't like Conservative much but are you blaming Conservative for everything you don't like regardless if they are the one who caused that or not?

ssbtech

Jul 22nd, 2012, 01:48 PM

Without getting too political and having another good thread locked, I fear that the federal government's tough on crime approach and reductions in rehabilitation programs and support services will hurt our violent crime rates.

I don't know how much tougher on crime you can get than the death penalty, and look how well that's working out in the US of A. You need to foster a culture of responsibility and respect and I'm starting to think that we're about to go the wrong way in Canada.

Ebeniz: Any chance you know where to find other graphs like that for other violent crimes? Robberies, assaults, etc...?

mbg

Jul 22nd, 2012, 01:56 PM

Minority reports, plus ban of music, movies, the Internet, and TV. The only entertainment allowed should be talk radio.

hagbard

Jul 22nd, 2012, 02:20 PM

Nota.

mbg

Jul 22nd, 2012, 04:00 PM

Maybe we could pay people not to fire bullets. Like we could give everyone in the country 3,000 bullets per month and if they return 3,000 bullets at the end of the month they can have $3,000... but if they only return 2,999 bullets then they lose $100 per bullet missing.

Then if someone gets shot we can give them the $100.

UrbanPoet

Jul 23rd, 2012, 10:26 AM

I've always said this... But its all in the family.
People from good homes don't join gangs and shoot each other! Unless they have mental illness...

jaysfan4life

Jul 23rd, 2012, 10:33 AM

Free education

tim-x

Jul 23rd, 2012, 10:48 AM

I've always said this... But its all in the family.
People from good homes don't join gangs and shoot each other! Unless they have mental illness...

You're right for the most part, but the problem goes much deeper than that. Often we have the mentally ill having more and more children because they're not looked after properly due to a lack of funding for psychiatric care which puts them out on the street. Many of these mentally ill people are at a much higher risk of becoming addicted to drugs, and then committing crimes to pay for their drug habit which is their way of self-medicating. Their children grow up without good role models and in sub-standard housing with poor nutrition and then the vicious cycle repeats.

Comprehensive medical and educational care is the only way to combat crime. When we have policymakers from the United States deep south coming up and telling us that the "war on drugs" and "war on crime" model of justice has cost only cost them billions and made the problem worse, shouldn't we take note?

lazymonkeygod

Jul 23rd, 2012, 10:55 AM

The killings occur because of some very disturbed people. Often these people are a result of stress in society. They are unpredictable and very dangerous. The only thing the government can do is to provide more programs to help people in how to handle stress and to deal with their life in a more positive way. In general people just have to learn to recognize potential threats and keep an eye out for signs. Canada as a whole needs to work today to avoid these problems, the government alone cannot completely prevent these situations. For example, in neighborhoods it's good practice to get to know your neighbors so that you know what's going on. This helps you recognize strangers and encourages neighbors to look out for each other. I find a lot people these days are too busy to make an effort to familiar themselves with their surroundings and this as a result opens up opportunities for criminal activities to occur.

manmanny

Jul 23rd, 2012, 11:07 AM

Canada? You mean Toronto.

Well, this is what happens when you bring a Conservative party into power. First they take away your rights (Unions not allowed the right to strike) and then a bunch of people start shooting each other.
Are you saying these shooters are register Union member?

I don't see the connection between Unions and shooting or between Conservative Party and these shootings.
You are behaving same like NBC,ABC,CNN blaming conservatives for nothing for Colorado shooting.

OP the crime is already down in Canada year after year.

manmanny

Jul 23rd, 2012, 11:08 AM

death penalty for having or using pistols/assault rifles.
And what about those who use knife to kill or any other method to kill?

vlado416

Jul 23rd, 2012, 01:33 PM

I agree. The only type of videogames we all should play are "Tetris" types. The only music we should listen is "elevator" music. The only movies we should watch are "Barney The Dinosaur" types. Who wouldn't want to live a life with all this excitement!

Play with fire , die with fire. I guess people just can't accept the concequence of promoting something and then condemning it when it bites back.
This shooter in Colorado said he was a "Joker" from a Batman movie and he had legal guns yet everyone ignores it and acts holier than thou.
People are visual and if something is presented to them enough , they will mimick it . The movies present guns as a viable option in life.
I guess this forbiddeness is the main reason why they make money and why it's such a big industry. Yet people who participate and condone such
can hardly be critical when someone takes the next step and uses guns on them.

As for entertainment, I would guess that there is a price for that , especially for entertainment that is aimed at the lowest common denominator.

ssbtech

Jul 23rd, 2012, 01:40 PM

Oh bull. Action movies are one of my favourite genres and I can honestly say I've never had the urge to dress up as one of my favourite characters and shoot up a theater full of people.

NorthYorker

Jul 23rd, 2012, 01:42 PM

Looks like from the map in Toronto. The safest parts are: Etobicoke (aka Mayor Ford's stronghold), Forest Hill (Midtown-central)Actually Ford's electoral district is one of violent strongholds, as it includes part of the Rexdale. However, Ford has nothing to do with high levels of violence in Rexdale.

flashy_mcflash

Jul 23rd, 2012, 01:44 PM

Oh bull. Action movies are one of my favourite genres and I can honestly say I've never had the urge to dress up as one of my favourite characters and shoot up a theater full of people.

Agreed. This kind of attitude is such unmitigated crap.

Guess what, if you can't differentiate between reality and fantasy, and think that mimicking a movie or TV show or video game, especially with regard to violence, is a normal thing to do, then you are mentally ill. Don't blame some entertainment medium on your own crippling neurosis.

Also, as if it needs to be said, Batman is a film about a superhero that, as a rule, does not use guns.

coolspot

Jul 23rd, 2012, 01:54 PM

Start a Running Man Show!

Rainne

Jul 23rd, 2012, 02:15 PM

Incarceration(longer sentences, less paroles, etc.).

-> You see, this will only deter the intelligent human beings. The ones that weigh their options and consider effort/risk/reward. These are usually white collar criminals and hardly a threat in "violent crimes".

Prevention(tougher gun laws, more social programs, etc.)

-> Mildly effective. Nothing long-term is gained.

Rehabilitation(Programs for criminals to help them change their ways)

-> Best long term option imo. Education and knowledge is the best remedy for any social afflictions.

vlado416

Jul 23rd, 2012, 02:31 PM

Oh bull. Action movies are one of my favourite genres and I can honestly say I've never had the urge to dress up as one of my favourite characters and shoot up a theater full of people.

Most people today have never done and are incapable of killing even the smallest of animals , even if their life depended on it let alone other humans. That doesn't mean they wouldn't do it if they could. Also in order to do the killing like this , one has to have own imagination and not something in a rash of a moment. Most people today don't have the required imagination for such a task due to all the trapping of modern life (electronic devices, junk food, lousy repetitive jobs)

flashy_mcflash

Jul 23rd, 2012, 02:37 PM

Most people today have never done and are incapable of killing even the smallest of animals , even if their life depended on it let alone other humans. That doesn't mean they wouldn't do it if they could. Also in order to do the killing like this , one has to have own imagination and not something in a rash of a moment. Most people today don't have the required imagination for such a task due to all the trapping of modern life (electronic devices, junk food, lousy repetitive jobs)

Actually that's precisely what it means.

vlado416

Jul 23rd, 2012, 02:52 PM

Actually that's precisely what it means.

So why ban and restrict guns then?

flashy_mcflash

Jul 23rd, 2012, 02:55 PM

So why ban and restrict guns then?

So that any mentally ill person can't just acquire and use them. You're talking about two separate issues now. The MOTIVE for a crime (in your opinion, movies/TV), and the METHOD of the crime (guns).

freeloader1969

Jul 23rd, 2012, 05:22 PM

With all these shootings going on, what do you think would be the best strategy to lower violent crimes in Canada?

Mandatory that every Canadian with a gun permit be graduated to an unrestricted license where they can carry concealed weapons. Would make criminals think twice about robbing or shooting if they don't know who is carrying.

ovechkin1

Jul 24th, 2012, 01:49 AM

tim-x

Jul 24th, 2012, 03:02 AM

too true, Canada takes on too many immigrants that instantly move into social housing.

A study done in 2004 found that 16% of poverty stricken immigrant families were receiving benefits of social assistance in comparison to 33% of Canadian-born families living in poverty benefitting from social assistance.

Another study done in 2007 found only 11% of immigrants living in poverty claimed work inhibiting disabilities in comparison to 26% of Canadian born people.

In 2006 over half of recent refugees had a university degree compared to 19% of Canadians. As well only 9% of immigrants were without a high school education in comparison to the Canadian average of 23%.

kingrukus

Jul 24th, 2012, 07:51 AM

Comeen like some Benz some Lexus and some bimmer
and the jeep weh dem call Omega
The gal sey them need a good plumber
Lord have mercy,
and dem should know, well

vlado416

Jul 24th, 2012, 08:20 AM

So that any mentally ill person can't just acquire and use them. You're talking about two separate issues now. The MOTIVE for a crime (in your opinion, movies/TV), and the METHOD of the crime (guns).

You are having wishful thinking and obviously watch too much television. The motive for the crime was to emulate the movie "Batman" and "Joker".
His weapons were "legal" and he is not mentally ill seeing his preparation. Mentally ill people are like disheveled homeless people and they don't have weapons and look shady besides no one applyingfor gun ownership will admit how they want to use it. More than that, gun industry is very big and entertainment industry even bigger and it's in their interest to promote guns and other weapons.

Also the government and politicians are dancing a fine line and speaking out of both sides of their mouth. They want to promote any big industry but also want to protect themselves . Events like these really expose them and that's why most of them appear dictatorial and are advocating something like a police state. For politicians , having a police state is preferable than cracking down on gun/entertainment industry.

flashy_mcflash

Jul 24th, 2012, 08:47 AM

You are having wishful thinking and obviously watch too much television. The motive for the crime was to emulate the movie "Batman" and "Joker".
His weapons were "legal" and he is not mentally ill seeing his preparation. Mentally ill people are like disheveled homeless people and they don't have weapons and look shady besides no one applyingfor gun ownership will admit how they want to use it.

You have an incredibly unrealistic and incomplete outlook on mental illness and judging by your wildly inaccurate conspiracy theories, you may want to have yourself checked out. People suffering from mental illness look just like anyone else and are certainly capable of preparing ahead of time for an atrocious, violent act.

The motive of the crime was to emulate the Joker? How? Your ideas are incomplete at best and completely off base at worst.

kennyhohoho

Jul 24th, 2012, 09:04 AM

You are having wishful thinking and obviously watch too much television. The motive for the crime was to emulate the movie "Batman" and "Joker".
His weapons were "legal" and he is not mentally ill seeing his preparation. Mentally ill people are like disheveled homeless people and they don't have weapons and look shady besides no one applyingfor gun ownership will admit how they want to use it. More than that, gun industry is very big and entertainment industry even bigger and it's in their interest to promote guns and other weapons.

Also the government and politicians are dancing a fine line and speaking out of both sides of their mouth. They want to promote any big industry but also want to protect themselves . Events like these really expose them and that's why most of them appear dictatorial and are advocating something like a police state. For politicians , having a police state is preferable than cracking down on gun/entertainment industry.

I don't recall the "Joker" and "Batman" shooting it out in a movie theatre full of people. You must have watched some kind of director's cut.