Strip foreign born Canadian citizens of their Canadian citizenship and deported if...

[Aznsilvrboy]

they commit a serious crime? In light of the recent shootings in Toronto, I have read many reader comments online which promote such a policy. They concede that there is nothing you can do to Canadian born citizens who commit heinous crimes since there's nowhere to deport them to, but they advocate stripping foreign born Canadian citizens of their citizenship and deporting them to their place of origin. Do you agree or disagree with them. In essence this would create two classes of citizens in Canada.

[uber_shnitz]

No. Assuming they gained citizenship the legal and proper way, they are citizens just as equally as Canadian born citizens are and as such should be treated the same way.

[Piro21]

Poorly thought out tripe from a bunch of hillbilly idiots. Any such law would essentially be codifying "anyone not born here (and you know they'll move it to 'not white' by extension) isn't a REAL Canadian, only those of us who put in the massive effort it took to be born here are! We can rape, beat, and kill whoever we want, but if you defend yourself and get convicted for doing so you're the only one who faces any consequences!"

Why the ***** would anyone with half a brain or half a cent to their name even come here anymore if this hit the law books? Do the supporters of this attitude think nobody can read between the lines?

[a-tree]

You legally cannot strip someone of their citizenship for a crime. The judicial system deals with that as it would with any other Canadian.

The only thing worse than 'heinous' crimes is ***** nationalist ideas such as this. This is exactly the sort of mentality harbored by the that dude that went on a massacre in Norway last year.

[ronin1701]

If you're going to deport a naturalised Canuck for committing a serious crime, then why not deport Canucks by birth for committing the same types of serious crime?

If a crime is equally bad, why should the punishment for one be different for the other?

Conversely, would you want an ex- or dual- Canadian who's committed a serious crime after becoming a naturalised citizen of another country, to be sent back here if they committed a serious crime in their adopted country?

[Aznsilvrboy]

Why no one who voted yes comment? We want to hear your opinions too.

[uber_shnitz]

I'd assume some of them voted just to be the Devil's Advocates :lol:

[bullionaire]

While I like the idea of deporting them back, it is unconstitutional and it'd cause a s***storm. A better approach would be to grant citizenship judiciously, stop accepting refugees, and allow fewer people from undeveloped countries. It's easier to prevent a problem than to fix one.

[Aznsilvrboy]

While I like the idea of deporting them back, it is unconstitutional and it'd cause a s***storm. A better approach would be to grant citizenship judiciously, stop accepting refugees, and allow fewer people from undeveloped countries. It's easier to prevent a problem than to fix one.

What would the judicial process of granting citizenship be like?

[rommelrommel]

Well, being able to speak English or French would be a good start. Being convicted of a crime of any substance while a PR should be a bar to citizenship. The swiss model would be a good place to start:

Naturalization

The right to regular naturalization is granted not by the central government but by the cantons.[1]

Citizenship in Switzerland may be obtained by a permanent resident who lived in Switzerland for at least 12 years (any years spent in Switzerland between the 10th and the 20th years of age count double) and lived in the country for 3 out of the last 5 years before applying for citizenship. One should be able to speak in at least one of German (preferably Swiss German), French, Italian or Romansch (depending on the community) and show the following:
integration into the Swiss way of life;
familiarity with Swiss habits, customs and traditions;
compliance with the Swiss rule of law;
no danger to Switzerland's internal or external security.

[setell]

Poorly thought out tripe from a bunch of hillbilly idiots. Any such law would essentially be codifying "anyone not born here (and you know they'll move it to 'not white' by extension) isn't a REAL Canadian, only those of us who put in the massive effort it took to be born here are! We can rape, beat, and kill whoever we want, but if you defend yourself and get convicted for doing so you're the only one who faces any consequences!"

Why the ***** would anyone with half a brain or half a cent to their name even come here anymore if this hit the law books? Do the supporters of this attitude think nobody can read between the lines?
+1

If this is a troll thread then it's a piece of ***** topic. Come up with a better one vs get a flamebait going.

[Simaahoy]

Foreign born Canadians have the same rights as those who were born here. You can't just take away someones citizenship....

[Aznsilvrboy]

Well, being able to speak English or French would be a good start. Being convicted of a crime of any substance while a PR should be a bar to citizenship. The swiss model would be a good place to start:

Naturalization

The right to regular naturalization is granted not by the central government but by the cantons.[1]

Citizenship in Switzerland may be obtained by a permanent resident who lived in Switzerland for at least 12 years (any years spent in Switzerland between the 10th and the 20th years of age count double) and lived in the country for 3 out of the last 5 years before applying for citizenship. One should be able to speak in at least one of German (preferably Swiss German), French, Italian or Romansch (depending on the community) and show the following:
integration into the Swiss way of life;
familiarity with Swiss habits, customs and traditions;
compliance with the Swiss rule of law;
no danger to Switzerland's internal or external security.


Besides the length requirement, citizenship granting institution, and "integration" into the Swiss way of life, the rest is pretty much the same in Canada. But how would you measure integration? Integration assumes assimilation into mainstream society. Canada must also abandon its multicultural policies. Is that what you mean?

[goodguy90]

A rash, stupid, and short sighted idea.

[BoogieWilliams]

No, logically it doesn't make sense because you are assuming Canadians that are born here do not commit crimes. Law should be equal for everyone, if you are going to deport dual citizenship Canadians back to their home country then you might as well send Canadian born criminals to the Arctic.

[Manatus]

Plus how can you assume that there's somewhere to deport them to? Many countries do not allow dual citizenship so they may have given up citizenship to the country of their birth in order to become Canadian. Or they may be unable to "go back" because of persecution, or simply because they have actually "become Canadian" in culture, language etc. while being here. If you want to make it harder to become a citizen or even make it so that only Canadian born people can be citizens then that's for another discussion, but I can't see how revoking citizenship like this makes any sense. Not to mention don't these people (who are anti-immigration) want immigrants to integrate and become Canadian in lifestyle, values etc. rather than just by paper? So how does it make any sense to then say that they should be sent back to "where they came from"?

[goodguy90]

13 people voted yes.

I'm interested in hearing their opinions.

Maybe the lack of comments has to do with the racist undertone to voting "yes".

[rommelrommel]

Besides the length requirement, citizenship granting institution, and "integration" into the Swiss way of life, the rest is pretty much the same in Canada. But how would you measure integration? Integration assumes assimilation into mainstream society. Canada must also abandon its multicultural policies. Is that what you mean?

12 years total is a lot more than 3.

Speaking an official language should be required, here it is not in too many circumstances.

We aren't strict enough about compliance with rule of law... when you see judges intentionally avoid giving a sentence that would lead to the deportation of a PR, even when the sentence would be appropriate, that's a problem.

People like the Khadr family should have never obtained citizenship (or any status preferably.)

And yes, I feel official multiculturalism has been, on the whole, a failure. Living in your little version of your home country in Canada is a joke. If you wanted to live in Canada, live in Canada. Don't try and keep all the parts that are incompatible with Canada. The swiss model (and several other euro countries have good ideas too) is far more rigerous than ours. Haven't killed anyone and you lived here for a few years (maybe you didn't, but we won't check up on you, don't worry) ? Congrats, here's your Canadian Citizenship.

[akira1971]

And yes, I feel official multiculturalism has been, on the whole, a failure. Living in your little version of your home country in Canada is a joke. If you wanted to live in Canada, live in Canada. Don't try and keep all the parts that are incompatible with Canada.

That's right! You tell them the way it should be! Canada should definitely revert back to the Aboriginal culture that existed way before the European settlers brought over their little version of Europe into Canada. If you wanted to live in Canada, live in Canada. Don't try and keep... wait, what "Canadian" culture were you referring to??

[Nettles]

What is this 1933 Germany?

Because the legal system is so perfect we should take that we should take it's rulings as being good enough to make decisions like this? :facepalm:

[ever1221]

everyone who voted YES is plain racist PERIOD. Show your true face and post a comment.

I'd like to hear their take on the terrorist who killed 14 people in the US....what about this guy, should he be deported to his grandadys country and have his citizen stripped? Hypocrites!

[Manatus]

That's right! You tell them the way it should be! Canada should definitely revert back to the Aboriginal culture that existed way before the European settlers brought over their little version of Europe into Canada. If you wanted to live in Canada, live in Canada. Don't try and keep... wait, what "Canadian" culture were you referring to??

I think what is "Canadian" is redefined in a tiny amount by every new Canadian (of any ethnicity). For example there's nothing weird about someone going to a Chinese or Persian or Italian restaurant and not being of that ethnicity. If I'm white and I go to Mandarin, it doesn't mean I'm pretending to be in China, it's just that these foods no longer "belong" to their country of origin, they are now part of what makes up "Canadian food". Canadian doesn't just mean Anglo or French (or Aboriginal), it's a combination of everything that all Canadians bring to the table. That said I do think that new Canadians should make an effort to fit into Canada - not "European Canada", but the Canada that is made up of everyone that came before them, if that makes any sense.

[Simaahoy]

This shouldn't be even a poll. The answer is a flat out NO.

[stealth]

It doesn't really work that way....that said, anyone here who is not yet a citizen but commits a crime should have their citizenship application suspended and be turfed out. Forfeit their spot to someone more deserving.

[rommelrommel]

That's right! You tell them the way it should be! Canada should definitely revert back to the Aboriginal culture that existed way before the European settlers brought over their little version of Europe into Canada. If you wanted to live in Canada, live in Canada. Don't try and keep... wait, what "Canadian" culture were you referring to??

While I don't claim that there is one easily identifiable "Canadian" culture some things are incompatible with our beliefs, I don't buy into the relativistic BS that says we can't make any value judgements about cultures. You think your wife is your property and can be disposed of if she offends you/your god/your family? Don't want you here. You think violence is an acceptable way of making a point, your living, etc? Don't want you here. Deep seated/hateful racism? Don't want you here.

I would welcome anyone from any place to Canada, keep your music, your art, your language, your history, your culture. Please, come and add to our country. But, if what you really want is to virtually live in a little version of your home country and interact with the parts of Canada that you like, then stay in your country and do it from there.

As for the aboriginals, that's a very complicated issue. We can't undo things that have been done. I am not sure why you're throwing that in here other than to muddy the waters, we're talking about a very specific issue.

Are you seriously going to make a case that Canada should simply accept anyone and their belief system no matter how nauseating? Would you welcome the Khadr's knowing what we know about them now? How about Mohammed Shafia? The Tamil Tiger members that came to Canada to victimize and extort their own people? Maybe we should send a plane for Bashar al-Assad with a promise of protection? Even better, lets modify our culture and law to accomodate these people, right? Sharia law? Maybe another Inquisition? If you don't believe that there are at least some essential notions of Canadian culture then I don't know what to say to you.

[cyop_42]

everyone who voted YES is plain racist PERIOD. Show your true face and post a comment.

I'd like to hear their take on the terrorist who killed 14 people in the US....what about this guy, should he be deported to his grandadys country and have his citizen stripped? Hypocrites!


He will be executed no deportation necessary.

[AcidBomber]

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