LCBO serves underage boy wearing burka, face veil

[zz000ter]

This is HILARIOUS!

SunTV ran a test - I wonder how many kids will try this now
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/24/lcbo-serves-underage-boy-wearing-burka-face-veil

[Simaahoy]

Are the Toronto Sun's staff are running out of ideas and getting desperate now? Stupid article and video..I don't see anything funny about it because of their agenda..

[aTriangle]

Lol.

[boywonder416]

burka sales bout to go up

[Faemow]

Good ol' Sun news, agree with Simaahoy, nothing better to do with their time. How do you tell a conservative culture to remove ones garment? Utter stupidity on the Sun's part, good on the LCBO for not discriminating on culture.

[Piro21]

Yes, we all know how frequently devout Muslim women buy alcohol. How will we ever distinguish between them and people pretending to be them with the sheer numbers? :facepalm:

[kingofwale]

This is HILARIOUS!

SunTV ran a test - I wonder how many kids will try this now
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/24/lcbo-serves-underage-boy-wearing-burka-face-veil

Simple

after you ask for IDs. If they ask to see the faces: Blamed for Racism, and/or death threat.

****************. If they don't ask to see the face: get fined.


I pick option 2 as well

[Xiaohaibao]

Doesn't change the fact that someone underage managed to buy alcohol.

[Tabooger]

Yes, we all know how frequently devout Muslim women buy alcohol. How will we ever distinguish between them and people pretending to be them with the sheer numbers? :facepalm:

lol...i don't know how the sun stays in business.

[olssy]

This is HILARIOUS!

SunTV ran a test - I wonder how many kids will try this now
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/24/lcbo-serves-underage-boy-wearing-burka-face-veil

I doubt many kids will try this, easier just to get an adult to buy your booze, or come to Quebec if you are near the border, that's what I did when I was a kid in Ottawa.

This pretty much smells of a newspaper trying to create a news story instead of reporting on actual news. What I find really funny is the fact that Muslims don't even drink alcohol to begin with.

[Piro21]

Doesn't change the fact that someone underage managed to buy alcohol.

Only out of sheer stupidity of the employees. He may as well have walked in there in the Toronto Raptor mascot outfit, they probably wouldn't have seen that as out of the ordinary either.

[kingofwale]

Only out of sheer stupidity of the employees. He may as well have walked in there in the Toronto Raptor mascot outfit, they probably wouldn't have seen that as out of the ordinary either.

read the article

when people wear any other mask, they were told to take it off.

Burka is untouchable... in this country

[Simaahoy]

Good ol' Sun news, agree with Simaahoy, nothing better to do with their time. How do you tell a conservative culture to remove ones garment? Utter stupidity on the Sun's part, good on the LCBO for not discriminating on culture.

The government should be asking them to show their face to identify them or else refuse any service. I just see this as a desperate attempt for the Sun to get the Burka banned, although I agree Burkas are not necessary.

BTW A teenager would not go through this hassle to get alcohol and the Sun did not report how many LCBO stores asked for id or how many they went to......:)

[Piro21]

read the article

when people wear any other mask, they were told to take it off.

Burka is untouchable... in this country

There's a sign in every LCBO that essentially says "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason". I've seen them use it often when known drunks come in the store and want to buy something. Is it really so hard for them to say "Hey, we need to make sure you're of age, and can't do that with how you're dressed. Please come back with a friend or family member that we can serve"? Anyone dressed in a full-body covering will understand.

[MissMalfoy]

Yes, we all know how frequently devout Muslim women buy alcohol. How will we ever distinguish between them and people pretending to be them with the sheer numbers? :facepalm:

My first thought too.

[dsg512]

Good ol' Sun news, agree with Simaahoy, nothing better to do with their time. How do you tell a conservative culture to remove ones garment? Utter stupidity on the Sun's part, good on the LCBO for not discriminating on culture.
How is it discriminating if everyone else has to show their face? If I walked in with a black ski mask on on they wouldn't sell me anything until I took it off. Upsetting their conservative sensibilities isn't much of a reason to exempt them.

[Simaahoy]

Doesn't change the fact that someone underage managed to buy alcohol.

Well, many many people managed to buy alcohol underage, without the help of a burka



Yes, we all know how frequently devout Muslim women buy alcohol. How will we ever distinguish between them and people pretending to be them with the sheer numbers? :facepalm:

Very true..

[Dave98]

There's a sign in every LCBO that essentially says "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason". I've seen them use it often when known drunks come in the store and want to buy something. Is it really so hard for them to say "Hey, we need to make sure you're of age, and can't do that with how you're dressed. Please come back with a friend or family member that we can serve"? Anyone dressed in a full-body covering will understand.

It crosses a different line when it comes to religion, unfortunately. Next thing you know, they'd bring in the human rights tribunal complaining about religious freedoms.

[Simaahoy]

It crosses a different line when it comes to religion, unfortunately. Next thing you know, they'd bring in the human rights tribunal complaining about religious freedoms.


Quebec model is excellent for dealing with the Burka. However the Sun is not doing anything more than appearing as idiots and feeding the rednecks..

[GangStarr]

read the article

when people wear any other mask, they were told to take it off.

Burka is untouchable... in this country


LCBO spokesman Chris Layton said in an e-mail that employees have a responsibility to view customers’ faces as part of the age-verification process, and if a customer’s face is covered, “staff are required to ask the customer to remove the covering.”

This includes religious face coverings, as well, Layton said in a later phone interview.

I don't think you read correctly. The LCBO has a policy for burkas, and it's that they are still asked to remove them.

What you have is a case of an employee that didn't follow policy. Hardly the LCBO failing at it's "social responsibility" rather just someone at the end point goofed.

The employee is obviously an idiot, the person puts down a 750ml (or perhaps larger) bottle of hard spirits, and she actually thinks its $13? I caught that right away, i'm like is this fake? No way sambuca is $13 for a bottle that big.

I thought suns writing style was poor, the way they interview is even worse. Asking hard hitting questions to the security guard expecting comment? Has the production quality of hich school media arts students.

[zz000ter]

I don't think you read correctly. The LCBO has a policy for burkas, and it's that they are still asked to remove them.

What you have is a case of an employee that didn't follow policy. Hardly the LCBO failing at it's "social responsibility" rather just someone at the end point goofed
.

Yes LCBO has policy BUT I think the real issue is that maybe the employees were AFRAID to follow the policy

[arm2000]

Good idea. We need more of these from journalists.

[Simaahoy]

Yes LCBO has policy BUT I think the real issue is that maybe the employees were AFRAID to follow the policy

Then the company should deal with it and talk to it's employees, although I used to be afraid of Burkas myself..

[GangStarr]

Yes LCBO has policy BUT I think the real issue is that maybe the employees were AFRAID to follow the policy

Why would they be afraid? It's liqour, how devote are they if they are buying / handling / transporting maybe even consuming alcohol? I think you have an employee who just really didn't feel like asking. The kid might have been tall, he was also wearing sunglasses. It's one of those ughhh f**k whatever moments.

You now have to take off your Burka for a Canadian passport.

PS. It's not the end of the world if some kids get some booze, our overly anal 19+ age is what needs to be revisited.

[Pratzy]

I don't think any special exemption should be made for people with religious garments on in situations such as this. It doesn't matter if it's a burka or any other form of religious garnet that prevents the proper identification of the person buying the alcohol. They can just get a friend or family member to buy them alcohol if they choose to not remove it.

And how many conservative Muslim women actually walk into an LCBO to buy alcohol ? Is it just me or does it seem somewhat hypocritical that a women who wears a burka because she wants to 'cover her modesty' and is likely to have conservative values would walk into a liquor store ( and generally liquor is considered to be something that free yours from your inhibitions) and buy alcohol ?

I'm not criticizing or judging the culture or woman, it's a free country and they can do whatever they like, my point is that if a veiled woman can walk into a liquor store and buy liquor , then she definitely can at least take off her veil to let the store personnel identify that she is the person.

[Piro21]

And how many conservative Muslim women actually walk into an LCBO to buy alcohol ? Is it just me or does it seem somewhat hypocritical that a women who wears a burka because she wants to 'cover her modesty' and is likely to have conservative values would walk into a liquor store ( and generally liquor is considered to be something that free yours from your inhibitions) and buy alcohol ?

I'm not criticizing or judging the culture or woman, it's a free country and they can do whatever they like, my point is that if a veiled woman can walk into a liquor store and buy liquor , then she definitely can at least take off her veil to let the store personnel identify that she is the person.

Considering the fact that this only happened because the Sun put a little white boy in a burka and sent him into the stores to break the law, I'd say none.

[flamez1000]

How is it discriminating if everyone else has to show their face? If I walked in with a black ski mask on on they wouldn't sell me anything until I took it off. Upsetting their conservative sensibilities isn't much of a reason to exempt them.


Good idea. We need more of these from journalists.

Agree x1000000000000000

[Katchemash]

The fact that no muslim women comes to an LCBO and drink alcohol doesn't stop posters starting rants against Islam and full blown racism.

[Simaahoy]

The fact that no muslim women comes to an LCBO and drink alcohol doesn't stop posters starting rants against Islam and full blown racism.

No one is being racist on here.

[Katchemash]

No one is being racist on here.

Then you're blind to racism. Or of a certain ethnic group which seems to be racist against everyone. No they aren't from Asia.

[deltone]

Then you're blind to racism. Or of a certain ethnic group which seems to be racist against everyone. No they aren't from Asia.

Just in case you weren't aware of it, Islam is not a race, it's a religion. My cousin is a Muslim and she is as white as the pure driven snow, (a red head at that) of German and Scottish background. Just saying.

[Simaahoy]

Then you're blind to racism. Or of a certain ethnic group which seems to be racist against everyone. No they aren't from Asia.

I am Muslim and don't see anything offensive accept Toronto Sun's scheme.

[Katchemash]

I am Muslim and don't see anything offensive accept Toronto Sun's scheme.

What sect? If you're Ahmedi or Bahai then you can't cal yourself Muslim.

[deltone]

What sect? If you're Ahmedi or Bahai then you can't cal yourself Muslim.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, now who is exhibiting preducial behaviour?

[Katchemash]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, now who is exhibiting preducial behaviour?

No, its a valid question. Many who call themselves Muslims aren't.

[deltone]

No, its a valid question. Many who call themselves Muslims aren't.

Says who?

[Katchemash]

Says who?

Tenants of the religion. Muhammad is supposed to be the last prophet and many Muslims accept that but both Ahmedi and Bahai's have prophets coming after him, thus breaking the tenant of the religion. If you want more I can certainly provide it.

[desidealer49]

Are the Toronto Sun's staff are running out of ideas and getting desperate now? Stupid article and video..I don't see anything funny about it because of their agenda..

Have you ever read their paper? It is nothing but just junk stuff. It is amateurs writing their articles on stuff no one needs to give a **** about.

The sunshine page is still keeping them relevant for some people though i guess.

[BornRuff]

David Menzies is not even close to being a journalist. Dressing a kid in a ridiculous bastardization of a burka and sending him off to buy booze for you isn't journalism. Walking in unannounced and asking the security guard to comment isn't journalism, and claiming they are refusing comment when you come in like that is just stupid.

[aplayaz2000]

racism

or following the law, bahahahahaha

[Simaahoy]

What sect? If you're Ahmedi or Bahai then you can't cal yourself Muslim.

I am Sunni..

[Swarez99]

Lol was this really a problem in this country, very conservitie muslim woman buying booze with burkas.

Lots of problems in this country and news agencies just go after cheap ratings.

And I have been able to buy beer at beer store since i was around 15. Go to any hockey tourny in this province the kids in every town have ability to buy at beer store through someone they know who works there( ie played high level hockey when they were younger).

[NG]

Good idea. We need more of these from journalists.

Agreed. The Star needs to adopt tactics like this as much, if not more, than the Sun.

In this case they could come up with a scam to make Christians look bad.

They won't get my money for a sub until The Star does this.

[JAC]

What sect? If you're Ahmedi or Bahai then you can't cal yourself Muslim.

Statements like these are one of the reasons for Western distrust of Muslims. Sure, we may think Joseph Smith, Jr was a crackpot, or Scientology is a complete scam, but we don't go around putting them in jail or massacring them* (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/8744092.stm). You guys take this way too seriously.

*any more

[desidealer49]

Statements like these are one of the reasons for Western distrust of Muslims. Sure, we may think Joseph Smith, Jr was a crackpot, or Scientology is a complete scam, but we don't go around putting them in jail or massacring them* (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/8744092.stm). You guys take this way too seriously.

*any more

Actually there is some good history of that particular sect and how and why it came to be detested however, killing others in the name of religion is just ignorance. Don't blame islam if the people are idiots. I don't consider myself to be a part of any sect and treat everyone the same. I am not perfect, and hence have no right to lay down punishment or judgement on others. That is not my job.

Problem is, the masses don't think like that. Because ignorance prevails.

[Simaahoy]

Statements like these are one of the reasons for Western distrust of Muslims. Sure, we may think Joseph Smith, Jr was a crackpot, or Scientology is a complete scam, but we don't go around putting them in jail or massacring them* (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/8744092.stm). You guys take this way too seriously.

*any more


Islam doesn't allow these actions, the people are responsible for their actions.

[Swarez99]

Actually there is some good history of that particular sect and how and why it came to be detested however, killing others in the name of religion is just ignorance. Don't blame islam if the people are idiots. I don't consider myself to be a part of any sect and treat everyone the same. I am not perfect, and hence have no right to lay down punishment or judgement on others. That is not my job.

Problem is, the masses don't think like that. Because ignorance prevails.

Well looking at that article it's a law of a country, a democratic country. So by that nature, the Muslim masses in Pakistan are OK with killing of ahmadies. That's what the optics look like from a complete outsider.

[desidealer49]

Well looking at that article it's a law of a country, a democratic country. So by that nature, the Muslim masses in Pakistan are OK with killing of ahmadies. That's what the optics look like from a complete outsider.

Haha, democratic? Far from it. You have no idea if you have never lived there. The uneducated masses are like sheep and led by corrupt leaders, army, and religious figures all making them fools while getting their share of the pie.

But yeah, for an outsider, it does look like that. Nothing some education can't solve though. But that is a major threat to the decades old ruling parties/politicians and military generals. Keep them uneducated, rob them of basic necessities like water and electricity, and make them go crazy over these things. Win win for those guys.

Looks like we did a fine job of derailing this thread haha.

[Mark77]

Another good reason to implement Sharia law in Canada for people of that faith...

[Piro21]

Another good reason to implement Sharia law in Canada for people of that faith...

What reason would that be? And why would a little white boy in a dress follow sharia law?

[Toukolou]

Actually there is some good history of that particular sect and how and why it came to be detested however, killing others in the name of religion is just ignorance. Don't blame islam if the people are idiots. I don't consider myself to be a part of any sect and treat everyone the same. I am not perfect, and hence have no right to lay down punishment or judgement on others. That is not my job.

Problem is, the masses don't think like that. Because ignorance prevails.

I think the masses do think like that, it's the nutjob minority who get all the press that don't think like that.

[Corleone187]

Pretty dumb report.

Why not put a fake Moustache and old person makeup on the 14 year old boy and send him in to buy liquor?

"oh look they let a 14 year old boy buy liquor!" lol

Why not give some fake ID to 17 year old kids and send them to buy liquor? Then you can say
"look they let minors buy liquor!"

There's a difference between letting a 14 year old boy buy liquor and letting a 14 year old boy in DISGUISE buy liquor

I've never even seen a 14 year old boy wear a burka in real life lol

[Rehan]

I just see this as a desperate attempt for the Sun to get the Burka banned, although I agree Burkas are not necessary. +1

The key sentence in the article:


[Menzies] suggested the fact the boy was never asked to uncover his face or show photo identification at multiple store locations reveals a deeply ingrained reluctance on the part of Canadian institutions to challenge cultural practices, even when they conflict with broader societal goals such as preventing underage drinking.

That was the point they were desperate to make. But a stupid setup like this is no real indication of "a deeply ingrained reluctance". I bet they also tried a similar trick at other places too, and the liquor store was the most sensational one they could make a story out of.

[goodguy90]

The fact that no muslim women comes to an LCBO and drink alcohol doesn't stop posters starting rants against Islam and full blown racism.

This is one of the reasons why people are becoming increasingly unsympathetic with ethnic/religious minorities.

People cry racism or discrimination when there's nothing to be crying about.

EDIT: And before you try calling me out on being racist, or a redneck, I'm a visible minority.

Jus so ya knooo.

[goodguy90]

+1

The key sentence in the article:


[Menzies] suggested the fact the boy was never asked to uncover his face or show photo identification at multiple store locations reveals a deeply ingrained reluctance on the part of Canadian institutions to challenge cultural practices, even when they conflict with broader societal goals such as preventing underage drinking.

That was the point they were desperate to make. But a stupid setup like this is no real indication of "a deeply ingrained reluctance". I bet they also tried a similar trick at other places too, and the liquor store was the most sensational one they could make a story out of.

A full out ban is a terrible idea imo. You shouldn't tell people how to dress.

What should be obligatory is temporary removal of religious wear for security purposes. Anybody asking for compensation or leniency when it comes to removing something like a veil when requested to do so over security measures is asking for too much and poses a hindrance to the safety of others.

[Syne]

When a woman orally copulates a man in a muslim country, does that count as two types of porn?

[wilsonlam97]

This is stupid. The reporter just ruined the buying experience from LCBO forever. Now everybody is going to be asked for ID.

If teens want alcohol they wouldn't go to LCBO if their life depended on it. They obviously go through other sources like liquor from home or "retailers" (people obtaining liquor and reselling at higher prices). Anyways in Canada, alcohol is not even much of a problem for minors afaik. It isn't even popular. It's smoking that we need to prevent. (And sheesha counts)

[wilsonlam97]

While I do believe that burkas should always be allowed and people have the freedom to wear it, there should be a law that forces people to cooperate and remove coverings that block the face when asked to. Anybody who abuses the law for any unpractical/unethical practice is fined.

Or force everyone to make themselves easily identifiable (even I'm not sure how that works)

[mbg]

Yes, we all know how frequently devout Muslim women buy alcohol. How will we ever distinguish between them and people pretending to be them with the sheer numbers? :facepalm:

Wearing a burqa doesn't mean you're a devout Muslim, just that your husband carries a big stick. He might be sending her out to get his alcohol for him :)

And, anyway, even if they claim to not drink alcohol, it's not like you could ban Muslims from buying it.

[mbg]

This is stupid. The reporter just ruined the buying experience from LCBO forever. Now everybody is going to be asked for ID.

Well, probably just everyone wearing a burqa or some other disguise... it's only hard to tell your age if your face is covered.

If you went into the LCBO wearing a Voldemort mask, I'm sure they'd ask you to take it off so they could see who they were dealing with.

[RolandCouch]

The fact that no muslim women comes to an LCBO and drink alcohol doesn't stop posters starting rants against Islam and full blown racism.

Says the most racist poster on RFD.

[kingofwale]

my question is... is a woman drinking alcohol a stoning-able offense in some culture? ;)

[flashy_mcflash]

So, add blatant entrapment to the Sun's list of 'journalistic' techniques.

[Corleone187]

Well, probably just everyone wearing a burqa or some other disguise... it's only hard to tell your age if your face is covered.

If you went into the LCBO wearing a Voldemort mask, I'm sure they'd ask you to take it off so they could see who they were dealing with.

the burqa or whatever is a "disguise" tho for that 14 year old boy in this instance because 14 year old boys dont wear burqas (i think)

It's no different than if the kid was wearing a fake moustache to make himself look older

It's no different than if some drag queen went into the woman's washroom.

What can you say? "Look they let men use the woman's washroom!!!!! OUTRAGE!!!"

I mean it's not that they let men use the woman's washroom, the drag queen is dressed up as a woman, thus tricking people.

It's the same here with the kid and the burka.

You can't "trick" people and then start pointing fingers lol

[steve-0101]

the burqa or whatever is a "disguise" tho for that 14 year old boy in this instance because 14 year old boys dont wear burqas (i think)

It's no different than if the kid was wearing a fake moustache to make himself look older

It's no different than if some drag queen went into the woman's washroom.

What can you say? "Look they let men use the woman's washroom!!!!! OUTRAGE!!!"

I mean it's not that they let men use the woman's washroom, the drag queen is dressed up as a woman, thus tricking people.

It's the same here with the kid and the burka.

You can't "trick" people and then start pointing fingers lol

What are you talking about? The LCBO has a policy around burkas. They didn't follow it. They (or, more accurately, their employees) are to blame. End of story.

[ever1221]

Another good reason to implement Sharia law in Canada for people of that faith...

brain malfunction.

[Offspring22]

Thats some fine hack journalism right there. "I'm standing outside the LCBO offices, instead of getting an official representative to speak to us, lets go in and accost the hourly paid employee manning the front desk for comment".

If you want a professional response from the LCBO, act like a professional yourself. Allow them to do an investigation and verify your claims, and set up a meeting - or at least give them the chance to. Don't Harass the poor security guard just doing his job. Should have tossed the reporter out on his ***** .

[fakishan]

What do you expect from a fake news fabricating network? Their mission is to create controversy, but they're always pushing the limits of stupidity because part of their mission is to dumb down their viewers so it becomes even easier to control them later.

[Junigenmukyoku]

Lmao what a BS story. First of all it's the employee's fault for selling to a minor and as the LCBO spokesman said...


LCBO spokesman Chris Layton said in an e-mail that employees have a responsibility to view customers’ faces as part of the age-verification process, and if a customer’s face is covered, “staff are required to ask the customer to remove the covering.”

It's not because the employees were being culturally sensitive, it's because the employees were not doing their job.

[sylpherware]

my question is... is a woman drinking alcohol a stoning-able offense in some culture? ;)

AFAIK, Muslims can't drink alcohol.

[Rainne]

World financial crisis - no one cares

Some boy buys liquor at LCBO - 600+ comments

[sylpherware]

World financial crisis - no one cares

Some boy buys liquor at LCBO - 600+ comments

One is easier to solve than the other. Take your pick.

[Rainne]

One is easier to solve than the other. Take your pick.

# of Canadians died during the War on Terror = no one knows

2 people die during some random shooting in Scarborough = entire GTA up in arms

[flashy_mcflash]

One is easier to solve than the other. Take your pick.

Is 'kids procuring burkas and sneaking through an LCBO' honestly something worth 'solving'? Who honestly cares? It's not like this is happening often.

[sylpherware]

Is 'kids procuring burkas and sneaking through an LCBO' honestly something worth 'solving'? Who honestly cares? It's not like this is happening often.

Exactly. Problem solved ;)

[zonetbh]

my question is... is a woman drinking alcohol a stoning-able offense in some culture? ;)

Probably, and whatever culture that is it can stay the hell out of this country.

[zz000ter]

I spoke to a cousin that works in a medical clinic. They have a problem with people coming in for medical consultations and asking for prescriptions. They ave a fear that multiple people are using the same OHIP card but there is nothing they can do about it. Why do they think this? Because some people sure do get sick a lot with various unrelated illnesses.



So, add blatant entrapment to the Sun's list of 'journalistic' techniques.

Maybe it is investigative reporting?

How is this any different than US news shows that have sting operations
to catch online pedophiles?

How is it different from news programs "buying" used cars in Brampton that were written off
and then rebuilt and buyer not informed of the unsafe status of cars?

[olssy]

How is this any different than US news shows that have sting operations
to catch online pedophiles?

How is it different from news programs "buying" used cars in Brampton that were written off
and then rebuilt and buyer not informed of the unsafe status of cars?

It's very different, in the two examples you cite there is actually an illegal act being performed by someone not involved in reporting the story. The sting operations are targeting actual pedophiles and the car is to expose fraudulent used car sellers. This piece does nothing to identify anyone doing anything illegal it just exposes one way the system can be exploited. There are dozens of ways to exploit the system to buy alcohol underage like printing your own ID or even ordering fake id off the internet. But nothing sells a story like fear and the population has been conditioned to be fearful of anything Muslim. In my opinion anyway.

[Wilmega]

win win by the SUN - if LCBO did check ID then the story would be about discrimination against people wearing Burkas and being force to take it off to buy alcohol

[Piro21]

win win by the SUN - if LCBO did check ID then the story would be about discrimination against people wearing Burkas and being force to take it off to buy alcohol

That's already a rule on the books. The only reason this is even a story is because the employees didn't do their jobs properly.

[Dina_E]

That's already a rule on the books. The only reason this is even a story is because the employees didn't do their jobs properly.

the problem arises, why 3/3 times in 3 separate locations and 3 separate clerks didnt even ask to remove the veil let alone even ask for a id card.

its more than a small slip up by an employee being lazy to id.

[manmanny]

the problem arises, why 3/3 times in 3 separate locations and 3 separate clerks didnt even ask to remove the veil let alone even ask for a id card.

its more than a small slip up by an employee being lazy to id.

Good question. So SUN was being SUN the tabloid but it also showed the behavior of LCBO employee.

[NG]

the problem arises, why 3/3 times in 3 separate locations and 3 separate clerks didnt even ask to remove the veil let alone even ask for a id card.


There was a recent Human Rights Commission complaint in BC where a gay couple won against a Christian owned Bed and Breakfast because they refused to service them.

Perhaps The Star should conduxt a study to see how many Christian bussinesses are breaking the law by not serving them?

[manmanny]

There was a recent Human Rights Commission complaint in BC where a gay couple won against a Christian owned Bed and Breakfast because they refused to service them.

Perhaps The Star should conduxt a study to see how many Christian bussinesses are breaking the law by not serving them?

Star will only investigate if its Muslim or Sikh refused of such services.

[Dina_E]

There was a recent Human Rights Commission complaint in BC where a gay couple won against a Christian owned Bed and Breakfast because they refused to service them.

Perhaps The Star should conduxt a study to see how many Christian bussinesses are breaking the law by not serving them?

i would love to watch a video on that. stuff like this is interesting.

[manmanny]

win win by the SUN - if LCBO did check ID then the story would be about discrimination against people wearing Burkas and being force to take it off to buy alcohol
Yes and Star would be all over it.

[manmanny]

I spoke to a cousin that works in a medical clinic. They have a problem with people coming in for medical consultations and asking for prescriptions. They ave a fear that multiple people are using the same OHIP card but there is nothing they can do about it. Why do they think this? Because some people sure do get sick a lot with various unrelated illnesses.




Maybe it is investigative reporting?

How is this any different than US news shows that have sting operations
to catch online pedophiles?

How is it different from news programs "buying" used cars in Brampton that were written off
and then rebuilt and buyer not informed of the unsafe status of cars?

Its different because it SUN. If it was Star then it would be OK.

[NG]

Star will only investigate if its Muslim or Sikh refused of such services.

Well if The Star refuses to do it then it looks like there's a business model out there for somebody to start a paper (weekly, magazine?) to use Christians as tools to push their agenda like The Sun does with Muslims.

[Simaahoy]

Honestly, I think the employees were caught off guard when a religious woman walked into a liquor store. I would have been...and until there's a clear rule on this expect more confusion about this whole thing...

[Piro21]

Honestly, I think the employees were caught off guard when a religious woman walked into a liquor store. I would have been...and until there's a clear rule on this expect more confusion about this whole thing...

There is a clear rule on this. The Sun just cherrypicked three idiots and probably told the kid to be as belligerent as possible when questioned about it.

[wilsonlam97]

Thats some fine hack journalism right there. "I'm standing outside the LCBO offices, instead of getting an official representative to speak to us, lets go in and accost the hourly paid employee manning the front desk for comment".

If you want a professional response from the LCBO, act like a professional yourself. Allow them to do an investigation and verify your claims, and set up a meeting - or at least give them the chance to. Don't Harass the poor security guard just doing his job. Should have tossed the reporter out on his ***** .

Yeah. Very unprofessional.

[XtremeModder]

There's a sign in every LCBO that essentially says "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason". I've seen them use it often when known drunks come in the store and want to buy something. Is it really so hard for them to say "Hey, we need to make sure you're of age, and can't do that with how you're dressed. Please come back with a friend or family member that we can serve"? Anyone dressed in a full-body covering will understand.

Very true. Same as the beer store, I saw someone ***** faced in front of me a couple weeks ago get denied as well

[IamToronto]

when can we stop with the "politically correct" high-horse nonsense and come right down to it?
ritualistic dogmatic religion is stupid.

[flashy_mcflash]

when can we stop with the "politically correct" high-horse nonsense and come right down to it?
ritualistic dogmatic religion is stupid.

What does that have to do with anything?

What happened here was the Sun inventing a problem that was never a problem, and 'exposing' it in the most dishonest possible way. Religion has little to do with it.

[IamToronto]

What does that have to do with anything?

What happened here was the Sun inventing a problem that was never a problem, and 'exposing' it in the most dishonest possible way. Religion has little to do with it.

yes, i dont agree with the way the journalist went about it nor do i ever support anything form sun media
but it does have a point. these cashiers were too scared or too "respectful" to question the person. this proves that any kid can go out pretending to be an old muslim woman and get booze (which is funny because as far as i know, they are forbidden from alcohol? lol) or perhaps get into a casino or get into a bar or club..

why? simply because people are being "respectful" to someones religious beliefs

[flashy_mcflash]

this proves that any kid can go out pretending to be an old muslim woman and get booze (which is funny because as far as i know, they are forbidden from alcohol? lol) or perhaps get into a casino or get into a bar or club..

why? simply because people are being "respectful" to someones religious beliefs

I want you to be honest. When have you EVER heard of this happening and would it ever even cross your mind to try this, even as a teen? I mean, you have to go to the trouble of finding and buying a burka, wearing it to the store, and for what? A bottle of Vex? Surely it's easier to steal booze from your parents or get a 19+ friend like kids have been doing for decades.

To claim that this is a potential problem is like saying that winning the lottery is something to be expected. The possibility of it happening is so incredibly remote that it's not really worth discussing. What the Sun is doing is using this, the very definition of a non-issue, to forward its anti-Muslim agenda.

[IamToronto]

I want you to be honest. When have you EVER heard of this happening and would it ever even cross your mind to try this, even as a teen? I mean, you have to go to the trouble of finding and buying a burka, wearing it to the store, and for what? A bottle of Vex? Surely it's easier to steal booze from your parents or get a 19+ friend like kids have been doing for decades.

To claim that this is a potential problem is like saying that winning the lottery is something to be expected. The possibility of it happening is so incredibly remote that it's not really worth discussing. What the Sun is doing is using this, the very definition of a non-issue, to forward its anti-Muslim agenda.

its not about this being a new craze amongst teens but more of the attitudes people have towards strict religious folk. its 2012, these people are still stuck in their nonsense..
it proves that generally, people dont question people wearing burkas because they dont want to offend them.

its like the complete opposite of the TSA stripsearch patdown thing...

wheres the middle ground here?

[Simaahoy]

yes, i dont agree with the way the journalist went about it nor do i ever support anything form sun media
but it does have a point. these cashiers were too scared or too "respectful" to question the person. this proves that any kid can go out pretending to be an old muslim woman and get booze (which is funny because as far as i know, they are forbidden from alcohol? lol) or perhaps get into a casino or get into a bar or club..

why? simply because people are being "respectful" to someones religious beliefs

Maybe those cashiers should be fired although I hardly believe this will ever happen again

[IamToronto]

Maybe those cashiers should be fired although I hardly believe this will ever happen again

thats not the problem. they are trying to be respectful and not offend the easily offended religious goons (who, for example, start wars over cartoons).
religion is the problem.

im not one of those psychos who think all muslims are evil terrorists. they are not. most of them are good people
but the religion is not good. this goes for all abrahemic religions.
i dont mean to offend anyone but this thread basically proves that these religions have no place in our modern day societies.

[manmanny]

Its Blessing in Burka.

SUN gets what it intended. Then 14 year old can get what they want from the stores. LCBO rules are challenged. If it exists then anybody it enforcing it or not.

But I don't get why ID at the LCBO store and not at Federal elections?

[quotePrime Minister Stephen Harper says he "profoundly disagrees" with a recent decision by Elections Canada to allow Muslim women to vote with their faces covered by burkas or niqabs.[/quote]
But its Federal rule that allows it so can't debate on that...and its political.

[fuzzy_avocado]

Simple

after you ask for IDs. If they ask to see the faces: Blamed for Racism, and/or death threat.

****************. If they don't ask to see the face: get fined.


I pick option 2 as well

Let's pretend a muslim woman wearing a burqa goes into an LCBO and purchases alcohol, or any property where she needs to get ID'd.

If they ask to see her face, she is able to show it as long as it's to another woman. It wouldn't be racism on anybody's part to request this. After the female employee/manager confirms that the lady wearing a burqa does look of age, everyone can carry on.

No need to sensationalize, it's quite simple actually.

[JAC]

Let's pretend a muslim woman wearing a burqa goes into an LCBO and purchases alcohol, or any property where she needs to get ID'd.
If they ask to see her face, she is able to show it as long as it's to another woman. It wouldn't be racism on anybody's part to request this. After the female employee/manager confirms that the lady wearing a burqa does look of age, everyone can carry on.
No need to sensationalize, it's quite simple actually.

And if there happens to be no female employee on shift, the woman can refuse to show her face, and the LCBO can refuse her service, as they are required to do.

[fuzzy_avocado]

That's why the LCBO should make sure to have at least one of each gender on shift :P

[Simaahoy]

That's why the LCBO should make sure to have at least one of each gender on shift :P

99.9% of them will probably not have a burka wearing customer:razz:

[LaserEnvy]

That's why the LCBO should make sure to have at least one of each gender on shift :P

Why should the LCBO go out of their way to accomodate Muslims? The Sun has a valid point. Society is often too scared or unwilling to speak up against religious accomodations. We now have LCBO employees too scared to ask someone to unveil their burkas, we have employers having no choice but to allow burka-clad employees to work despite unsafe conditions, people are now carrying knives into government buildings, schools are accomodating students to pray at certain times, etc. it's ridiculous.

[Royalsoldier]

I believe this story to be orchestrated by anti-Muslims and of course, promoted by the Sun, which seem to also be anti-Muslim.

Agree with Simaahoy that this is unlikely an idea from a boy. It just seems too convenient.

[opento]

Now that's funny!

[murjaan]

I'm a bit lost. Why a muslim women who is wearing burka will go to LCBO. As far as I know if you are muslim alcohol is forbidden.

[Superboot]

I'm a bit lost. Why a muslim women who is wearing burka will go to LCBO. As far as I know if you are muslim alcohol is forbidden.

You fail to understand the the point of the stunt, its to show that a minor can dress up in a costume and buy alcohol underage. We need to ban the burka in Canada.

[konfusion666]

You fail to understand the the point of the stunt, its to ... ban the burka in Canada.

Agreed. The sole purpose of the stunt was to get more people in support of banning the burka in Canada.

And anything which requires a STUNT to support it's BANNING is highly dubious and definitely a little fascist.

[manmanny]

You fail to understand the the point of the stunt, its to show that a minor can dress up in a costume and buy alcohol underage. We need to ban the burka in Canada.

Agreed. The sole purpose of the stunt was to get more people in support of banning the burka in Canada.

And anything which requires a STUNT to support it's BANNING is highly dubious and definitely a little fascist.

SUN or Star have its own bias and agenda and everyone is aware about that. But in reality is LCBO is in trouble as any teen can buy stuff or might try.
I hate to say what SUN did was good.

[murjaan]

You fail to understand the the point of the stunt, its to show that a minor can dress up in a costume and buy alcohol underage. We need to ban the burka in Canada.

You know what. I dislike Burka but who are we to judge what people want to wear or topless.
Are we going to ban Nun wears too

[Simaahoy]

SUN or Star have its own bias and agenda and everyone is aware about that. But in reality is LCBO is in trouble as any teen can buy stuff or might try.
I hate to say what SUN did was good.

What they did was low, pathetic and illegal.

[Simaahoy]

You know what. I dislike Burka but who are we to judge what people want to wear or topless.
Are we going to ban Nun wears too

+1

[alkaseltzer01]

Confused here, so would it still be an issue if LCBO staff asked for the Burka removed from someone of age?

[Agafaba]

Confused here, so would it still be an issue if LCBO staff asked for the Burka removed from someone of age?

To be honest there isnt an issue, but assuming there was following standard LCBO procedure would have solved the problem.

[Aznsilvrboy]

It was never a real problem in the first place, with either real Muslims or stupid teenage kids trying to pull a fast one. The SUN orchestrated a STUNT to invent a problem that never existed in order to push its conservative agenda to ban burkas.

[manmanny]

It was never a real problem in the first place, with either real Muslims or stupid teenage kids trying to pull a fast one. The SUN orchestrated a STUNT to invent a problem that never existed in order to push its conservative agenda to ban burkas.

Yes STUNT but they succeeded showing problem at LCBO. 3 stores making mistake?
You are blinded by what SUN does and not your political views.

[alkaseltzer01]

I think LCBO staff are probably more fearful of asking cause they probably think they will get yelled at for challenging someones religious beliefs.

Cop will think twice when issuing a ticket for riding a motorcycle without a helmet cause driver has a turban on. Or a workplace supervisor asking for a hardhat.

[manmanny]

What they did was low, pathetic and illegal.

Yes. Illegal? No way...Then all what CBC marketplace does is illegal with hidden cameras.


I think LCBO staff are probably more fearful of asking cause they probably think they will get yelled at for challenging someones religious beliefs.

Cop will think twice when issuing a ticket for riding a motorcycle without a helmet cause driver has a turban on. Or a workplace supervisor asking for a hardhat.

This is it.

[Aznsilvrboy]

Yes STUNT but they succeeded showing problem at LCBO. 3 stores making mistake?
You are blinded by what SUN does and not your political views.

It's not a real problem if it has to be proved by a stunt. I can go into LCBO and threaten to rob them with a chainsaw and I'll probably succeed doesn't mean chainsaws should be banned. The correct protocol is to ask the customer to remove any face coverings and if they don't you refuse to serve them. It's not other people's problem if you can't hold your ground.

[wilsonlam97]

its not about this being a new craze amongst teens but more of the attitudes people have towards strict religious folk. its 2012, these people are still stuck in their nonsense..
it proves that generally, people dont question people wearing burkas because they dont want to offend them.

its like the complete opposite of the TSA stripsearch patdown thing...

wheres the middle ground here?

Let's go start a country that bans religions lol

[manmanny]

It's not a real problem if it has to be proved by a stunt. I can go into LCBO and threaten to rob them with a chainsaw and I'll probably succeed doesn't mean chainsaws should be banned. The correct protocol is to ask the customer to remove any face coverings and if they don't you refuse to serve them. It's not other people's problem if you can't hold your ground.

It is real problem and it surfaced with this Stunt. And Burka is cultural and not religion. But its not topic here.
And you lost the argument credibility with that comment.

[Junigenmukyoku]

I want to know how many other locations they tried this in and failed. I bet it was more than 3 location.

[Aznsilvrboy]

It is real problem and it surfaced with this Stunt. And Burka is cultural and not religion. But its not topic here.
And you lost the argument credibility with that comment.

Who says it's a real problem? You? The SUN? If it was a real problem it would have appeared in more mainstream "media" rather than this spontaneous stunt out of nowhere. The point is stunt proved problems are not real problems.

[manmanny]

It is a problem because it was never addressed before. Only you are saying it is not because now your political views are blinding you.
Its like Shoe Bomber incident. It happened once and now we pay. And I agree the comparison is a bit far.

[Aznsilvrboy]

It is a problem because it was never addressed before. Only you are saying it is not because now your political views are blinding you.
Its like Shoe Bomber incident. It happened once and now we pay. And I agree the comparison is a bit far.

Really? Show me an instance of this "problem" that occurred in real life that was not a stunt, and the prove that it was never addressed. The only problem here is that the LCBO stores need to train their employees better to uphold company protocol.

[Purgatory]

The only problem I see here is that the employees didn't even stop to contemplate asking the customer for their ID -- they served them right away without even thinking about it. The problem is not BURKAS, the problem is employees not doing their duty!! Just my opinion. .

[manmanny]

Really? Show me an instance of this "problem" that occurred in real life that was not a stunt, and the prove that it was never addressed. The only problem here is that the LCBO stores need to train their employees better to uphold company protocol.
*********************

when did you became 50-60 year old? Dont you think Kids/teens will pull this carp on LCBO, again? Even adult act like dummies sometime. The only problem not acknowledging saying LCBO reps made mistake. And You are in University? This is not about Burka and SUN. Your young/left political bias is clouding your judgment about SUN. I hate it when SUN uses teens but may be that was their point in disguise(Burka).

[Aznsilvrboy]

**************************

when did you became 50-60 year old? Dont you think Kids/teens will pull this carp on LCBO, again? Even adult act like dummies sometime. The only problem not acknowledging saying LCBO reps made mistake. And You are in University? This is not about Burka and SUN. Your young/left political bias is clouding your judgment about SUN. I hate it when SUN uses teens but may be that was their point in disguise(Burka).

No. Burkas are not the problem. There are already perfectly fine protocols in place that prevents this from happening. Employees just have to follow it.

[george__]

Burka is like untouchable in this country. So odd

[Simaahoy]

Burka is like untouchable in this country. So odd

What are you talking about? are seriously so bothered by a garment that is probably worn by 25 woman in Quebec and probably triple that in Ontario?

[Simaahoy]

Why should the LCBO go out of their way to accomodate Muslims? The Sun has a valid point. Society is often too scared or unwilling to speak up against religious accomodations. We now have LCBO employees too scared to ask someone to unveil their burkas, we have employers having no choice but to allow burka-clad employees to work despite unsafe conditions, people are now carrying knives into government buildings, schools are accomodating students to pray at certain times, etc. it's ridiculous.

Muslims are not allowed to profit, purchase or consume alcohol under NO CIRCUMSTANCES in their religion. So tell me why the **** would they need to ask LCBO for accommodation for religious reasons? That doesn't make any sense and any person who makes that request are embarrassing themselves.

If LCBO staff are not able to ask a person to identify themselves, then maybe they should resign and let someone who has the ability to. The employees who are not doing their job properly should be disciplined not placing the blame on others. Perhaps they need to open their narrow minds up and quit being a chicken and do their job.

[Agafaba]

Why should the LCBO go out of their way to accomodate Muslims? The Sun has a valid point. Society is often too scared or unwilling to speak up against religious accomodations. We now have LCBO employees too scared to ask someone to unveil their burkas, we have employers having no choice but to allow burka-clad employees to work despite unsafe conditions, people are now carrying knives into government buildings, schools are accomodating students to pray at certain times, etc. it's ridiculous.

If it benefits the majority of students how is this a bad thing? Would you prefer that we as a society didnt accommodate students forcing them to choose between an education or religious freedom?

[VonMatterhorn]

The hidden agenda here is pretty clear. Muslims *shouldn't* be buying alcohol to begin with, I know I would have refused to sell to the "lady" in burkha. If you have no shame in drinking alcohol (see this from the perspective of a Muslim person), then you clearly don't have enough shame to be wearing a burkha.

The whole "experiment" is re.tarded imho.

[Ohmare_Q]

The hidden agenda here is pretty clear. Muslims *shouldn't* be buying alcohol to begin with, I know I would have refused to sell to the "lady" in burkha. If you have no shame in drinking alcohol (see this from the perspective of a Muslim person), then you clearly don't have enough shame to be wearing a burkha.

The whole "experiment" is re.tarded imho.

This is the most sensible comment I've read in this entire thread.

[Toukolou]

This is the most sensible comment I've read in this entire thread.

+1

[zz000ter]

Watching the Olympics team entry and I did not see a single burka from any Muslim nation

[random pattern]

Watching the Olympics team entry and I did not see a single burka from any Muslim nation

I'm sure that since you seem to have such a hardon for them, you could order one online...

By the way, since apparently you've been paying such close attention, which Jewish athletes were wearing headcoverings?

[mbg]

This is the most sensible comment I've read in this entire thread.

So what's the "sensible" part of this? That we should refuse selling alcohol to people in burkas on the grounds that such religious people shouldn't be drinking alcohol?

[Swarez99]

So what's the "sensible" part of this? That we should refuse selling alcohol to people in burkas on the grounds that such religious people shouldn't be drinking alcohol?

Well common sense tells you if a woman is religious enough to wear burka she's not buying alcohol. Outside of this incident is there one wear ppl got away with buying alchohal while wearing a burka?

If they wanted to do something they could have done something sensible, like if there is anything different done at airport security.

[Hitman21]

Teens can use a burka to buy alcohol when there too young and as well the employees working in the store were too scared to ask him to remove it. I am going to have to agree with the Toronto Sun on this

[mbg]

Well common sense tells you if a woman is religious enough to wear burka she's not buying alcohol. Outside of this incident is there one wear ppl got away with buying alchohal while wearing a burka?

If they wanted to do something they could have done something sensible, like if there is anything different done at airport security.

How would we know if there were other incidents or not?

I'm just trying to figure out what the rule for the LCBO would be -- i.e. to discriminate on religious grounds.

Since the burka is cultural and not religious, I'm not sure how it ensures that they don't drink alcohol. I've known Muslims who tell me they are serious but that they drink and it's OK because their dad drinks.

Can you really imagine someone getting away with telling someone that, "I can't sell you alcohol because your religion says you're not supposed to drink."?

How about just simplifying it and saying that they won't sell alcohol to anyone whose age they can't verify with a relatively high degree of certainty? Then it becomes, "I can't sell you alcohol because I need to verify your age and I can't verify that you are who you say you are.". That's much more sensible, no?

[mbg]

Teens can use a burka to buy alcohol when there too young and as well the employees working in the store were too scared to ask him to remove it. I am going to have to agree with the Toronto Sun on this

+1

Even if you're very religious, teens sometimes do things to rebel and act out.

It's kinda weird how we have this "progressive" and "non-religious" society, but somehow we expect better things of religious people and hold them to a higher standard.

[Swarez99]

How would we know if there were other incidents or not?

I'm just trying to figure out what the rule for the LCBO would be -- i.e. to discriminate on religious grounds.

Since the burka is cultural and not religious, I'm not sure how it ensures that they don't drink alcohol. I've known Muslims who tell me they are serious but that they drink and it's OK because their dad drinks.

Can you really imagine someone getting away with telling someone that, "I can't sell you alcohol because your religion says you're not supposed to drink."?

How about just simplifying it and saying that they won't sell alcohol to anyone whose age they can't verify with a relatively high degree of certainty? Then it becomes, "I can't sell you alcohol because I need to verify your age and I can't verify that you are who you say you are.". That's much more sensible, no?

LCBO has a policy on burkas it simply wasn't followed here. And my point was the likely hood of a woman in a burka buying booze is low. And how isn't a burka religious, never heard of anyone not being Muslim wearing one.

With that said did anyone ever have problems
Getting alchohal when they were terns cause I sure didn't. I'm gonna guess all the people who wrote
The article didn't either.

[Hitman21]

+1

Even if you're very religious, teens sometimes do things to rebel and act out.

It's kinda weird how we have this "progressive" and "non-religious" society, but somehow we expect better things of religious people and hold them to a higher standard.

Exactly, there is also the chance that they could use the burka to buy alcohol for other underage kids. No face coverings at all

[VonMatterhorn]

I've known Muslims who tell me they are serious but that they drink and it's OK because their dad drinks.
I see what you are saying and there is much truth to that. It's funny how people call themselves "serious" when they conveniently pick and choose which parts of the religion they want to follow and which to disobey.


Can you really imagine someone getting away with telling someone that, "I can't sell you alcohol because your religion says you're not supposed to drink."?
Can't blame someone for caring more about you than you care about yourself.


How about just simplifying it and saying that they won't sell alcohol to anyone whose age they can't verify with a relatively high degree of certainty? Then it becomes, "I can't sell you alcohol because I need to verify your age and I can't verify that you are who you say you are.". That's much more sensible, no?
I agree with you on this.

[Royalsoldier]

I read a few articles regarding this today and I cannot believe the number of racists in the comments. This orchestrated story is absolutely disgusting and the only thing it fuels is hatred towards the Muslim community. People in the comments section are bringing up terrorism, bombs, religious-conversion ...they've all been brainwashed by the propaganda machine. I've met and studied with plenty of women in burka's through college and they were nothing but kind and generous - the only people who have problems with them are these racist rednecks who believe every burka wearer has a bomb strapped to their chest.

My opinion is that the adults who orchestrated this event should be charged with hate crimes and forced to give a public apology to the Muslim community.

It's no different than a Sun employee dressing up as a catholic priest and attempting to get children from a local kinder-garden to enter his van with the offering of candy then publishing in their newspaper that priests are paedophiles.

[Swarez99]

Exactly, there is also the chance that they could use the burka to buy alcohol for other underage kids. No face coverings at all


1- there already is a rule that they hve to be checked, this employee just didn't do it. System is there, just use tr system.

2. Underage kids have no problem getting alchohal already, I was able to easily since I was 14, I have younger cousins none have issues. There are still high school parties very weekends most still booze there. No need to resort to getting someone in a burka.

[Hitman21]

I read a few articles regarding this today and I cannot believe the number of racists in the comments. This orchestrated story is absolutely disgusting and the only thing it fuels is hatred towards the Muslim community. People in the comments section are bringing up terrorism, bombs, religious-conversion ...they've all been brainwashed by the propaganda machine. I've met and studied with plenty of women in burka's through college and they were nothing but kind and generous - the only people who have problems with them are these racist rednecks who believe every burka wearer has a bomb strapped to their chest.

Completely disagree with you. I have also met women in burkas who were very ignorant and felt superior to others, if you tell them to remove it they will yell at you.

The reason people bring up terrorism, bombs and conversions is that this is a slippery slope to what could happen later on so people are scared

Also I know women who dont wear the burka and they even admitted its not part of the religion

[Royalsoldier]

1- there already is a rule that they hve to be checked, this employee just didn't do it. System is there, just use tr system.

2. Underage kids have no problem getting alchohal already, I was able to easily since I was 14, I have younger cousins none have issues. There are still high school parties very weekends most still booze there. No need to resort to getting someone in a burka.

Same here. When I was under 16-17, I would ask strangers in the LCBO parking lot and the majority always agreed to buy me alcohol. Burka's aren't the problem, racist bigots who are employed by the media are.

[Hitman21]

1- there already is a rule that they hve to be checked, this employee just didn't do it. System is there, just use tr system.

2. Underage kids have no problem getting alchohal already, I was able to easily since I was 14, I have younger cousins none have issues. There are still high school parties very weekends most still booze there. No need to resort to getting someone in a burka.

They do have a rule if the person wears a mask but since it was a burka they were scared to ask

This was an underage kid who used a burka to get alcohol, does this not bother people?

[Agafaba]

They do have a rule if the person wears a mask but since it was a burka they were scared to ask

This was an underage kid who used a burka to get alcohol, does this not bother people?

It bothers people for completely different reasons. Whenever a kid gets alcohol I dont go telling everyone to ban whatever it is that let them, I ask why LCBO policy failed to stop it from happening. In this case the policy didnt fail, employee training failed, and hopefully after this employees will know that a burka is not an excuse to avoid identification.

[Hitman21]

It bothers people for completely different reasons. Whenever a kid gets alcohol I dont go telling everyone to ban whatever it is that let them, I ask why LCBO policy failed to stop it from happening. In this case the policy didnt fail, employee training failed, and hopefully after this employees will know that a burka is not an excuse to avoid identification.


LCBO failed because they were scared to ask someone wearing a burka to remove it, how hard is that to understand? If they were wearing a ski mask they would ask them to take it off but they got scared and were scared of offending them.

[Agafaba]

LCBO failed because they were scared to ask someone wearing a burka to remove it, how hard is that to understand? If they were wearing a ski mask they would ask them to take it off but they got scared and were scared of offending them.

Its not hard to understand at all, its a failure in employee training if the employee is not properly prepared to deal with a situation. Hopefully LCBO tells their employees ways to deal with an irate customer and the most non-offensive way to request a removal of face coverings and this wont happen if a kid ever does try this.

Overall this is is hardly the easiest way of kids getting alcohol regardless, the easiest being a older friend who buys it for them. Sometimes its just a lot quicker and much more simple to stick with the basics.

[Hitman21]

Its not hard to understand at all, its a failure in employee training if the employee is not properly prepared to deal with a situation. Hopefully LCBO tells their employees ways to deal with an irate customer and the most non-offensive way to request a removal of face coverings and this wont happen if a kid ever does try this.

Overall this is is hardly the easiest way of kids getting alcohol regardless, the easiest being a older friend who buys it for them. Sometimes its just a lot quicker and much more simple to stick with the basics.

Its the culture in LCBO, if anyone wears a mask they want it removed but they ARE SCARED TO ASK SOMEONE TO REMOVE THE VEIL BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO OFFEND THEM AND BE CONSIDERED RACIST HOW HARD IS THIS TO UNDERSTAND

[Agafaba]

Its the culture in LCBO, if anyone wears a mask they want it removed but they ARE SCARED TO ASK SOMEONE TO REMOVE THE VEIL BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO OFFEND THEM AND BE CONSIDERED RACIST HOW HARD IS THIS TO UNDERSTAND

Then perhaps LCBO should train their employees to not be scared to offend them and be considered racists? Also there is a politically correct fearful culture in LCBO? Where did you learn this information from anyway?

[Hitman21]

Then perhaps LCBO should train their employees to not be scared to offend them and be considered racists? Also there is a politically correct fearful culture in LCBO? Where did you learn this information from anyway?


This is why they didn't ask them and its happening everywhere else as well, unless this is stopped it will get even worse and people could be killed.

I already know about this information its not exactly hidden

[RolandCouch]

Then perhaps LCBO should train their employees to not be scared to offend them and be considered racists? Also there is a politically correct fearful culture in LCBO? Where did you learn this information from anyway?

There is a politically correct fearful culture throughout Canada, specifically Ontario, if you haven't noticed. One of the many reasons this country is going down the toilet.

[Hitman21]

There is a politically correct fearful culture throughout Canada, specifically Ontario, if you haven't noticed. One of the many reasons this country is going down the toilet.

I agree. I along with many others have been warning about this for a while on rfd yet people ignore me

[ishfish]

There are Muslims who believe alcohol consumption is permissible - and they have their evidence to support it (it must be naturally fermented and not consumed to produce intoxication).

Muslims drank alcohol during Muhammad's lifetime - and so did Muhammad.

And alcohol flows like a river in the afterlife. It is promised.

The Qur'an does not prohibit alcohol consumption.

[Hitman21]

There are Muslims who believe alcohol consumption is permissible - and they have their evidence to support it (it must be naturally fermented and not consumed to produce intoxication).

Muslims drank alcohol during Muhammad's lifetime - and so did Muhammad.

And alcohol flows like a river in the afterlife. It is promised.

The Qur'an does not prohibit alcohol consumption.

+1. Which is exactly why women in burkas can go to the LCBO and buy it without showing there face

[Agafaba]

There is a politically correct fearful culture throughout Canada, specifically Ontario, if you haven't noticed. One of the many reasons this country is going down the toilet.

I agree that its people in general who are afraid, I thought he was pointing out LCBO specifically at first.

[Ohmare_Q]

There are Muslims who believe alcohol consumption is permissible - and they have their evidence to support it (it must be naturally fermented and not consumed to produce intoxication).

Muslims drank alcohol during Muhammad's lifetime - and so did Muhammad.

And alcohol flows like a river in the afterlife. It is promised.

The Qur'an does not prohibit alcohol consumption.

Mind telling me who/where you got that information from?

"O ye who believe! wine / liquor / intoxicants (Arabic: Khamru) and games of chance and idols and
divining arrows are only an abomination of Satan's handiwork. Leave it aside / avoid it / shun it
(Arabic: Fa-ijtanibuhu) in order that you may succeed" (Al Ma'idah 90)


"Satan seeks only to cast among you enmity and hatred by means of strong drink (Arabic: Khamri)
and games of chance, and to turn you from remembrance of God and from (His) worship. So will you
(be) the ones to abstain? (Arabic: fahal antum muntahun)" (Al Ma'idah 91)

The powerful statement at the end of the verse is worth pondering:
"fahal antum muntahun"?

So will you (be) the ones to abstain? / Will you not then abstain, will you not desist?

[ishfish]

@Ohmare_Q
Several documentaries pertaining to the History of Wine. It seems drunken soldiers have a lower survival rate.

http://islaminitsownwords.blogspot.ca/2009/04/did-muhammad-ever-drink-alcohol.html
http://conversation.lausanne.org/en/conversations/detail/11785

http://www.studytoanswer.net/islam/badwine.html

[Junigenmukyoku]

I read a few articles regarding this today and I cannot believe the number of racists in the comments. This orchestrated story is absolutely disgusting and the only thing it fuels is hatred towards the Muslim community. People in the comments section are bringing up terrorism, bombs, religious-conversion ...they've all been brainwashed by the propaganda machine. I've met and studied with plenty of women in burka's through college and they were nothing but kind and generous - the only people who have problems with them are these racist rednecks who believe every burka wearer has a bomb strapped to their chest.

My opinion is that the adults who orchestrated this event should be charged with hate crimes and forced to give a public apology to the Muslim community.

It's no different than a Sun employee dressing up as a catholic priest and attempting to get children from a local kinder-garden to enter his van with the offering of candy then publishing in their newspaper that priests are paedophiles.

+1


Its the culture in LCBO, if anyone wears a mask they want it removed but they ARE SCARED TO ASK SOMEONE TO REMOVE THE VEIL BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO OFFEND THEM AND BE CONSIDERED RACIST HOW HARD IS THIS TO UNDERSTAND

Why do you assume they are scared? Did you talk to those employees who sold the alcohol? If the employees can't follow the rules of the company, they shouldn't be working there. If somehow a burqa wearing person decides to buy alcohol, the employees should follow the rules and regulation of the company they're employed to. If they fail to do so, the company should enforce their rules by giving them a warning or firing them.

[Hitman21]

+1



Why do you assume they are scared? Did you talk to those employees who sold the alcohol? If the employees can't follow the rules of the company, they shouldn't be working there. If somehow a burqa wearing person decides to buy alcohol, the employees should follow the rules and regulation of the company they're employed to. If they fail to do so, the company should enforce their rules by giving them a warning or firing them.

The ignorance really is amazing, they didn't want to be labelled racist and they were being politically correct, that's all it is

[Junigenmukyoku]

The ignorance really is amazing, they didn't want to be labelled racist and they were being politically correct, that's all it is

You mean your ignorance? Why do you keep assuming how they felt? Again, did you talk to the employees of the 3 location and ask why sold the alcohol to the minor by not following the rules and regulation LCBO?

[Piro21]

I thought Hitman21 got permabanned for his trolling before. What's he doing back on here?

[Agafaba]

I thought Hitman21 got permabanned for his trolling before. What's he doing back on here?

Hitman doesnt troll, he just has very strong opinions about controversial topics, I imagine he was only temp banned for that reason.

[Hitman21]

Hitman doesnt troll, he just has very strong opinions about controversial topics, I imagine he was only temp banned for that reason.


One of the few people on RFD smart enough to understand the truth about me.

As for the thread if someone came in wearing a ski mask they would be asked to take it off but not the burka, this is wrong because they are being pc. Unless we stop this its only going to get even worse

[CDNPatriot]

what a coincidence... this happens right when the Retail association is pushing for alcohol sales to be opened up to convenience stores. The Sun just so happens to be for privatizing this tax payer asset that makes so much money for the taxpayers. Just like they supported the sale of the 407 only to watch taxpayers miss out on 1 billion dollars in revenue a year.


This is HILARIOUS!

SunTV ran a test - I wonder how many kids will try this now
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/24/lcbo-serves-underage-boy-wearing-burka-face-veil

[manmanny]

Wow. Crazy are back. Look how they are connecting dots.
SUN Stunt with Retail Association, Alcohol, Privatization.

Left on RFD is going crazy.

[Hitman21]

You mean your ignorance? Why do you keep assuming how they felt? Again, did you talk to the employees of the 3 location and ask why sold the alcohol to the minor by not following the rules and regulation LCBO?


Thats the only reason, they were PC, if a white person came in with a mask this wouldn't have happened

[Nettles]

As for the thread if someone came in wearing a ski mask they would be asked to take it off but not the burka, this is wrong because they are being pc. Unless we stop this its only going to get even worse

What are you talking about no one is gonna walk into an LCBO with a burka because they don't drink if they're muslim. It's not that hard to ask them for ID. If they're suspicious then they can deny the customer without breaking any laws. And why are you equating a ski mask to a burka? One of them is for religious reasons while the other isn't. It's almost the same as saying "if a person walks into a mall with a shopping instead of a gun then we must stop them otherwise we're being too PC because they might have a gun in the shopping bag." They're completely different things and you're just trying to cause ***** by equating them.

[Hitman21]

What are you talking about no one is gonna walk into an LCBO with a burka because they don't drink if they're muslim. It's not that hard to ask them for ID. If they're suspicious then they can deny the customer without breaking any laws. And why are you equating a ski mask to a burka? One of them is for religious reasons while the other isn't. It's almost the same as saying "if a person walks into a mall with a shopping instead of a gun then we must stop them otherwise we're being too PC because they might have a gun in the shopping bag." They're completely different things and you're just trying to cause ***** by equating them.

No:facepalm:

BURKA IS NOT RELIGIOUS

Its hard to ask for ID because they are PC and dont want to offend them by asking them to remove the mask

[jerrysiz]

It's no different than a Sun employee dressing up as a catholic priest and attempting to get children from a local kinder-garden to enter his van with the offering of candy then publishing in their newspaper that this is a big problem because any man could just put on a collar and fool the public to break the law. And, of course the insinuation would be that there's something wrong with the customs of those that are catholic and this is creating a danger, but the crazy bleeding-heart liberals are too PC to question a religious person's religious clothing. And "won't someone think of the children!"

I liked your analogy, but I think this :arrowu: is a bit more apt to what they're actually doing. Just disgusting, a sorry exuse for journalism. Like others have said, they hand picked a few stores that did not follow the clear policy that already exists (I'd love to know how many stores they went to that did follow policy before happening upon these ones), and are just assuming that the workers allowed the kid to buy booze because of PC cultural sensitivity. It's just as likely the employees were just lazy and wouldn't have followed the policy in any case, it's not like no store ever sells to minors without this elaborate ruse, there are exposes on stores selling smokes and booze to kids all the time. But, of course, that angle wouldn't sell as many papers to people looking for an excuse to justify their bigotry... "It's not that I hate muslims, but look at how their practices are creating an epidemic of underage drinking!". :facepalm:

[deuce]

And why are you equating a ski mask to a burka?

probably because they look pretty similar to one another

[Hitman21]

probably because they look pretty similar to one another

+1. Both cover the face so you cant ID them

[freeloader1969]

Why don't we just do the damn right thing for once and ban the burka? I'll tell you why, because the politicians don't have the balls to do what could be conceived as being politically incorrect. They're all a pack of cowards. If I had a majority government, the burka would be history in this country.

[Agafaba]

Why don't we just do the damn right thing for once and ban the burka? I'll tell you why, because the politicians don't have the balls to do what could be conceived as being politically incorrect. They're all a pack of cowards. If I had a majority government, the burka would be history in this country.

Dont just stop there though, ban sweat pants too... they just look silly. those visors that protect the whole face would be another good ban candidate, maybe ban those silly looking toques with the built in earmuffs and pompoms while you are at it.

[Simaahoy]

How would we know if there were other incidents or not?

I'm just trying to figure out what the rule for the LCBO would be -- i.e. to discriminate on religious grounds.

Since the burka is cultural and not religious, I'm not sure how it ensures that they don't drink alcohol. I've known Muslims who tell me they are serious but that they drink and it's OK because their dad drinks.

Can you really imagine someone getting away with telling someone that, "I can't sell you alcohol because your religion says you're not supposed to drink."?

How about just simplifying it and saying that they won't sell alcohol to anyone whose age they can't verify with a relatively high degree of certainty? Then it becomes, "I can't sell you alcohol because I need to verify your age and I can't verify that you are who you say you are.". That's much more sensible, no?


The reason why these woman are wearing the burka because they are extremely religious. it's like seeing a nun at a brothel.



Teens can use a burka to buy alcohol when there too young and as well the employees working in the store were too scared to ask him to remove it. I am going to have to agree with the Toronto Sun on this


Time to close this thread, Hitman21 is back

[manmanny]

Why don't we just do the damn right thing for once and ban the burka? I'll tell you why, because the politicians don't have the balls to do what could be conceived as being politically incorrect. They're all a pack of cowards. If I had a majority government, the burka would be history in this country.

Its question of votes and nothing else. It always was and always will be.

[RolandCouch]

Dont just stop there though, ban sweat pants too... they just look silly. those visors that protect the whole face would be another good ban candidate, maybe ban those silly looking toques with the built in earmuffs and pompoms while you are at it.

The difference - one covers up identity, the others do not.

[Agafaba]

The difference - one covers up identity, the others do not.

Ok then ban long hair in the front, ban ski-masks, ban overuse of facepaint, the big visor thing I mentioned, etc...

[RolandCouch]

Ok then ban long hair in the front, ban ski-masks, ban overuse of facepaint, the big visor thing I mentioned, etc...

Not even worth debating with you after a response like that.

[Agafaba]

Not even worth debating with you after a response like that.

They all conceal the face... He wasnt talking about a store wide ban and personally I dont want the government to start deciding what we can and can not wear. If the government had an issue with people hiding their identity with clothing than the skimask and the large face visor would be just as bad as a burka.

[Simaahoy]

Ok then ban long hair in the front, ban ski-masks, ban overuse of facepaint, the big visor thing I mentioned, etc...


+1 and Halloween costumes as we cannot identify those under those masks and etc.

[ishfish]

Are you all talking about a general ban or just a guideline for the purchase of alcohol?

[Agafaba]

Are you all talking about a general ban or just a guideline for the purchase of alcohol?

He said
If I had a majority government, the burka would be history in this country. so it would have to be a general ban, if LCBO wants to ban clothing that covers the face thats up to them.

[RolandCouch]

They all conceal the face... He wasnt talking about a store wide ban and personally I dont want the government to start deciding what we can and can not wear. If the government had an issue with people hiding their identity with clothing than the skimask and the large face visor would be just as bad as a burka.

Not everything you listed hides your identity.

Anyway, you should not be able to wear a burka, or ski mask, or anything that conceals your identity IMO in a time when you need to be identified or a time that it is a security risk I.E. At the border, at the airport, purchasing liquor, purchasing cigarettes, using OHIP, at the bank, etc.

If you want to wear a Burka when you go to pray, in your house, out in the park, I don't care.

[Agafaba]

Not everything you listed hides your identity.

Anyway, you should not be able to wear a burka, or ski mask, or anything that conceals your identity IMO in a time when you need to be identified or a time that it is a security risk I.E. At the border, at the airport, purchasing liquor, purchasing cigarettes, using OHIP, at the bank, etc.

Thats all normal and in effect, its not policy that needs changing but employees actually upholding policy.

I dont know how its so scary to ask to see someones face... I have had to talk down angry customers before and I am somewhat passive compared to most men.


If you want to wear a Burka when you go to pray, in your house, out in the park, I don't care.

Then you dont support a ban either, lol thats why I was making fun at his argument.

[ishfish]

If the users of rfd were not so "frictional" we could form a political movement - yes, fashion would be part of the platform.

Of course the avatars we hide behind will not be permitted to have face covering fabric/paint... :arrowl: that is humour.

[Simaahoy]

Not everything you listed hides your identity.

Anyway, you should not be able to wear a burka, or ski mask, or anything that conceals your identity IMO in a time when you need to be identified or a time that it is a security risk I.E. At the border, at the airport, purchasing liquor, purchasing cigarettes, using OHIP, at the bank, etc.

If you want to wear a Burka when you go to pray, in your house, out in the park, I don't care.

+1

[RolandCouch]

Thats all normal and in effect, its not policy that needs changing but employees actually upholding policy.

I dont know how its so scary to ask to see someones face... I have had to talk down angry customers before and I am somewhat passive compared to most men.

I never said it is scary to ask to see someone's face. I just said you should not be served/allowed wherever in any of those situations if your face is not visible, regardless of the reason (religious, cultural or whatever).

[ishfish]

Thats all normal and in effect, its not policy that needs changing but employees actually upholding policy.

I dont know how its so scary to ask to see someones face... I have had to talk down angry customers before and I am somewhat passive compared to most men.

Yes. I am not clear if employees are lazy or lacking skills.

Most stores outline the rules regarding checking ID etc so customers wearing face coverings of any kind should not be surprised if they are asked to reveal themselves... If they refuse then what do they do: refuse to sell...in this case get a female employee if possible...

[Agafaba]

I never said it is scary to ask to see someone's face. I just said you should not be served/allowed wherever in any of those situations if your face is not visible, regardless of the reason (religious, cultural or whatever).

I agree with that, I am against government bans of the burka but the LCBO has to ask them to reveal their identity regardless of any reason. I never said you claimed it was scary, everyone here has come to the assumption that they were not asked to show their face because people are afraid to do so. (except for ishfish who could be right about his lazy theory, I wouldnt be surprised)

[Junigenmukyoku]

Thats the only reason, they were PC, if a white person came in with a mask this wouldn't have happened

Again, why do you keep assuming how they felt? Why are you putting words into these employees' mouth by saying that's how they felt and this is how they felt? You weren't there, you never asked nor did the reporters. You're basically making ***** up so you can be mad at Muslims who wear a burqa. I don't get it, do you have something against Muslims?

[freeloader1969]

Again, why do you keep assuming how they felt? Why are you putting words into these employees' mouth by saying that's how they felt and this is how they felt? You weren't there, you never asked nor did the reporters. You're basically making ***** up so you can be mad at Muslims who wear a burqa. I don't get it, do you have something against Muslims?


I have something against Muslims. They killed over 3000+ people on September 11/2001. That's an act of war, especially when I saw all those bastards in the middle east celebrating and what did we hear from the Muslims here in Canada, barely squat condemning their actions. The shame for me is, I didn't have a single racist bone in my body and would've welcomed anyone to Canada prior to September 11th. Now, don't come to my country if you're not willing to adapt to Canadian values and customs and the burka is not a Canadian custom; leave it at the border.

[Agafaba]

I have something against Muslims. They killed over 3000+ people on September 11/2001. That's an act of war, especially when I saw all those bastards in the middle east celebrating and what did we hear from the Muslims here in Canada, barely squat condemning their actions. The shame for me is, I didn't have a single racist bone in my body and would've welcomed anyone to Canada prior to September 11th. Now, don't come to my country if you're not willing to adapt to Canadian values and customs and the burka is not a Canadian custom; leave it at the border.

Terrorists killed 2996 people, and there were statements from Canadian Muslims that the terrorists were extremists and perverting the teachings in the Koran. I wouldnt test the religious waters too much though, dont make sweeping statements in glass houses and all that. Remember there is a sect of Christianity that celebrates dead soldiers just as much as those Muslims did. Canadian values multiculturalism if all that PR is to be believed, meaning we actually value ones choice to wear a Burka.

[freeloader1969]

Terrorists killed 2996 people, and there were statements from Canadian Muslims that the terrorists were extremists and perverting the teachings in the Koran. I wouldnt test the religious waters too much though, dont make sweeping statements in glass houses and all that. Remember there is a sect of Christianity that celebrates dead soldiers just as much as those Muslims did. Canadian values multiculturalism if all that PR is to be believed, meaning we actually value ones choice to wear a Burka.

Multiculturalism is a massive failure. It never has worked and it never will. I'll say it again, leave the burka at the border; it doesn't belong in any western country.

[Piro21]

Multiculturalism is a massive failure. It never has worked and it never will. I'll say it again, leave the burka at the border; it doesn't belong in any western country.

Your newfound racism aside, what makes you hate the burka specifically? Is it because it's a woman choosing to dress in a certain way that obscures her features from the world? How do you feel about the others that do that stuff then? Like muslim girls with headscarves, christian nuns, those mennonite women in BC, etc.

[RolandCouch]

Your newfound racism aside, what makes you hate the burka specifically? Is it because it's a woman choosing to dress in a certain way that obscures her features from the world? How do you feel about the others that do that stuff then? Like muslim girls with headscarves, christian nuns, those mennonite women in BC, etc.

I know your question wasn't directed at me but I'll comment anyway

Aside from the situations I mentioned - airport security, purchasing alcohol, cigarettes, using OHIP, in a bank, etc. (Situations where Identifying someone is necessary) I could not care less what people want to wear in their day to day lives. That being said, I think the comparison you make between a muslim headscarf, christian nuns outfit, etc. are not the same as a burka.

In one you cannot identify a person and see their face and in the others you can.

I think for most people in Canada it is more about security/safety/identifying people who are utilizing government services (i.e. OHIP) and not about prejudice. If it was, people would be calling equally to not allow people to board a plane or purchase alcohol because of a headscarf, or a Sikh turban for example. Both of which I think are perfectly fine to be wearing in these scenarios because they do not hide someone's identity.

[Hitman21]

Again, why do you keep assuming how they felt? Why are you putting words into these employees' mouth by saying that's how they felt and this is how they felt? You weren't there, you never asked nor did the reporters. You're basically making ***** up so you can be mad at Muslims who wear a burqa. I don't get it, do you have something against Muslims?

Are you really this thick? They ask any other people to remove the mask but since there wearing a burka they dont want to be politically incorrect. If you dont understand this I will ignore you

[freeloader1969]

Thanks, I'm proud to be a called a racist, it makes my native blood happy. I have absolutely no problems with the rest of the clothes that a muslim woman wears, I just hate the burka. When I can't tell if it's a man or a woman under that burka, I have a problem with it. Headscarves are fine and some actually look quite trendy.

[freeloader1969]

Are you really this thick? They ask any other people to remove the mask but since there wearing a burka they dont want to be politically incorrect. If you dont understand this I will ignore you

Don't consider them "thick", they're more like obtuse.

[Hitman21]

I have something against Muslims. They killed over 3000+ people on September 11/2001. That's an act of war, especially when I saw all those bastards in the middle east celebrating and what did we hear from the Muslims here in Canada, barely squat condemning their actions. The shame for me is, I didn't have a single racist bone in my body and would've welcomed anyone to Canada prior to September 11th. Now, don't come to my country if you're not willing to adapt to Canadian values and customs and the burka is not a Canadian custom; leave it at the border.

It wasn't all muslims that were responsible for the attacks but the radical ones who I have been warning on here for a while only to have them brushed off.

I agree people shouldn't be allowed into the country if the dont adopt Canadian values, the burka isn't even required in islam and is used by men to oppress women as chattel. This story is a good reason to ban the burka.

[freeloader1969]

It wasn't all muslims that were responsible for the attacks but the radical ones who I have been warning on here for a while only to have them brushed off.

I agree people shouldn't be allowed into the country if the dont adopt Canadian values, the burka isn't even required in islam and is used by men to oppress women as chattel. This story is a good reason to ban the burka.

"Our home and native land" will have a whole new meaning to it in twenty years if we don't stop the nutbars from immigrating here.

[Hitman21]

"Our home and native land" will have a whole new meaning to it in twenty years if we don't stop the nutbars from immigrating here.


If we allow people into the country who dont adopt Canadian values then I completely agree with you, even now its going down and anyone who isn't one of them will be gone

[Hitman21]

I thought Hitman21 got permabanned for his trolling before. What's he doing back on here?


Read my sig. I believe that the Toronto Sun did the right thing in this case . No other newspaper would do this because there too scared. If the LCBO doesn't do anything there will be major problems since teens who are underage will be able to buy alcohol and there is also the possibility that they could hurt themselves.

[Simaahoy]

I have something against Muslims. They killed over 3000+ people on September 11/2001. That's an act of war, especially when I saw all those bastards in the middle east celebrating and what did we hear from the Muslims here in Canada, barely squat condemning their actions. The shame for me is, I didn't have a single racist bone in my body and would've welcomed anyone to Canada prior to September 11th. Now, don't come to my country if you're not willing to adapt to Canadian values and customs and the burka is not a Canadian custom; leave it at the border.

Go and get some education. You aren't worth debating and by the way, United States has been killing 200,000+ prior 9/11 up to know. Plus, Muslims in Canada should not be giving anymore of a statement then the Prime Minister for what a couple of extremists has done. I haven't heard the US apologizing for the thousands of people (woman and children especially) killed?

What are Canadian values and customs? News flash, Canada has no culture.

This thread should be closed.

[Hitman21]

Go and get some education. You aren't worth debating and by the way, United States has been killing 200,000+ prior 9/11 up to know. Plus, Muslims in Canada should not be giving anymore of a statement then the Prime Minister for what a couple of extremists has done. I haven't heard the US apologizing for the thousands of people (woman and children especially) killed?

What are Canadian values and customs? News flash, Canada has no culture.


This thread should be closed.

Typical ignorance. You cant stand the fact that people have opposing views and want the thread closed and you wonder why there is so much racism and hatred.

Canadian values dont include covering the face with a ski mask/burka and expecting to be treated like a human being.

[Junigenmukyoku]

I have something against Muslims. They killed over 3000+ people on September 11/2001. That's an act of war, especially when I saw all those bastards in the middle east celebrating and what did we hear from the Muslims here in Canada, barely squat condemning their actions. The shame for me is, I didn't have a single racist bone in my body and would've welcomed anyone to Canada prior to September 11th. Now, don't come to my country if you're not willing to adapt to Canadian values and customs and the burka is not a Canadian custom; leave it at the border.

Nice way to generalize a group of people. :facepalm: I hope your realize that Muslims died in 9/11 too. Why do you think it's an act of war? From whom? The way you think, the US already declared war on the Muslims way before 9/11. You should read a little bit of history, and you might then understand why people from the Middle-Eastern countries hate the west so much.

ps. I too was disgusted by the celebration in the Middle-East after 9/11.



Are you really this thick? They ask any other people to remove the mask but since there wearing a burka they dont want to be politically incorrect. If you dont understand this I will ignore you

Why do you keep insisting this is how the employees were thinking? Are you God? :lol:

[RolandCouch]

What are Canadian values and customs? News flash, Canada has no culture.


Ignorant statement. Go read some history books and go talk to some Canadians about their values.

[Hitman21]

Nice way to generalize a group of people. :facepalm: I hope your realize that Muslims died in 9/11 too. Why do you think it's an act of war? From whom? The way you think, the US already declared war on the Muslims way before 9/11. You should read a little bit of history, and you might then understand why people from the Middle-Eastern countries hate the west so much.

ps. I too was disgusted by the celebration in the Middle-East after 9/11.




Why do you keep insisting this is how the employees were thinking? Are you God? :lol:

I am starting to think you might have been the one to have sold the alcohol. Its because the person buying alcohol was a religion people are too scared to criticize at all and PC

[Royalsoldier]

I have something against Muslims. They killed over 3000+ people on September 11/2001. That's an act of war, especially when I saw all those bastards in the middle east celebrating and what did we hear from the Muslims here in Canada, barely squat condemning their actions. The shame for me is, I didn't have a single racist bone in my body and would've welcomed anyone to Canada prior to September 11th. Now, don't come to my country if you're not willing to adapt to Canadian values and customs and the burka is not a Canadian custom; leave it at the border.

I have a totally opposite opinion regarding that.

I believe 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government and Mossad in order to legitimize the invasion and conquer their resources as well as turning the US into a police state.

1) Inside traders knew about the attack before it happened (An “extraordinary” amount of put options were placed on United Airlines and American Airlines stocks, the same airlines that were hijacked during the attacks.)
2) Air Defence was told to "stand down". Every single day there's supposed to be two fighter jets patrolling each corner of the US (NE/NW/SE/SW).
3) Planes did not make the towers collapse, controlled demolitions did, as proven by countless credible engineers with 20-30 years of experience and scholars.
4) Hijacker passports surviving the "crash" in mint condition
5) 2,000 Jewish employees did not show up for work that morning
6) Plane parts on the ground that were from different plane models, as confirmed by aviation experts, therefore someone unloaded them there
(plenty more "facts")

(google "9/11 conspiracy facts" for legitimate sources)

Besides their conquest for oil, it is also important to note that "In 2001, under the Taliban opiate production stood at 185 tons, increasing to 3400 tons in 2002 under the US sponsored puppet regime of President Hamid Karzai." Many believe the US is playing both sides when it comes to drug trafficking. Giving the illusion that they're against drugs to the public's eye, but at the same time employ agents to distribute and control the opiates for profit.

Read more: http://adventofdeception.com/wikileaks-afghanistan-afghan-opium-war/#ixzz2230HcXSC

The US government continues to create fear within the America public and soon, freedom will be a thing of the past. Might as well rip up the constitution since the government no longer abides by it. They're already developing insect-like drones to spy on the America people: http://www.rt.com/news/us-drones-swarms-274/

This is my view/opinion, so respect that :)

[king_george]

I have a totally opposite opinion regarding that.
*snipped drivel*

You're entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong, non-factual and straight out stupid it is.:facepalm:

As for buying liqour while wearing a burka, got any opinions on that? This is the topic.

I hate these cheap events used by journalists to generate outrage. The "reporter" might have been more effective if he knew how to write decent stories and articles.

But it is an outrage the LCBO employees allowing the sale. Time for some real action by the PC bosses to hold everyone to the same standard of the law (although I think it won't happen).>:(

[Royalsoldier]

You're entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong, non-factual and straight out stupid it is.:facepalm:

As for buying liqour while wearing a burka, got any opinions on that? This is the topic.

I hate these cheap events used by journalists to generate outrage. The "reporter" might have been more effective if he knew how to write decent stories and articles.

But it is an outrage the LCBO employees allowing the sale. Time for some real action by the PC bosses to hold everyone to the same standard of the law (although I think it won't happen).>:(

It's cute that instead of respecting one's opinion, you threw in a flame bait at the end and used a disrespectful emoticon. This clearly shows what kind of person you are and I won't stoop to your low :)

I already stated my opinion regarding the burka in a previous post, where I indicated that I found it disgusting that grown adults would orchestrate an anti-Muslim plan using a young boy as a tool in order to create public hatred towards Muslims.

[freeloader1969]

Typical ignorance. You cant stand the fact that people have opposing views and want the thread closed and you wonder why there is so much racism and hatred.

Canadian values dont include covering the face with a ski mask/burka and expecting to be treated like a human being.

Hear, hear! :)

[king_george]

It's cute that instead of respecting one's opinion, you threw in a flame bait at the end and used a disrespectful emoticon. This clearly shows what kind of person you are and I won't stoop to your low :)

I already stated my opinion regarding the burka in a previous post, where I indicated that I found it disgusting that grown adults would orchestrate an anti-Muslim plan using a young boy as a tool in order to create public hatred towards Muslims.

Prove it was a campaign to create hatred against Muslims. I see it as an attempt to demonstrate the idiocy that infests the LCBO. Wearing a burka was the most convincing method AFAICS.

[VonMatterhorn]

"Our home and native land" will have a whole new meaning to it in twenty years if we don't stop the nutbars from immigrating here.
Everyone is an immigrant here in Canada and USA, some 1st generation others 3rd generation, etc. Unless you have 100% native indian blood in you, don't be going around making such ignorant comments.

I can see a lesson in history being immensely beneficial to you.

[Simaahoy]

Typical ignorance. You cant stand the fact that people have opposing views and want the thread closed and you wonder why there is so much racism and hatred.

Canadian values dont include covering the face with a ski mask/burka and expecting to be treated like a human being.

Nah, I don't like redneck parties. UMAD?

[Simaahoy]

Ignorant statement. Go read some history books and go talk to some Canadians about their values.

I have, and included British and french immigrants killing natives and making them submit into their culture.

[RolandCouch]

Everyone is an immigrant here in Canada and USA, some 1st generation others 3rd generation, etc. Unless you have 100% native indian blood in you, don't be going around making such ignorant comments.

I can see a lesson in history being immensely beneficial to you.

That's news to me.

I was born in Canada, but I'm an immigrant?

[RolandCouch]

I have, and included British and french immigrants killing natives and making them submit into their culture.

Quite possibly the dumbest statement in this thread. Canadians have no values because of the actions of British and French settlers?

That's like saying Germans have no values because of the actions of Hitler, or that Muslims have no values because of the actions of a select group of brainwashed individuals. Funny how you will be so adamant to defend against stereotypes about some groups but are so quick to make sweeping generalizations about others.

[king_george]

That's news to me.

I was born in Canada, but I'm an immigrant?

Me too. I was born here and I've lived in Ontario for nearly sixty years and it turns out I'm an immigrant.:cry:

When are people going to stop using that ridiculous argument? Even the natives had to come from somewhere. The predominant theory is they crossed the Bering Sea from what is now Russia during the last ice age, so THEY are immigrants too.

Using that twisted logic, everyone everywhere is an immigrant unless they can show the origins of their family beginning where they live.

[Simaahoy]

Quite possibly the dumbest statement in this thread. Canadians have no values because of the actions of British and French settlers?

That's like saying Germans have no values because of the actions of Hitler, or that Muslims have no values because of the actions of a select group of brainwashed individuals. Funny how you will be so adamant to defend against stereotypes about some groups but are so quick to make sweeping generalizations about others.

Chill, wasn't being serious but it is true.

[Simaahoy]

Everyone is an immigrant here in Canada and USA, some 1st generation others 3rd generation, etc. Unless you have 100% native indian blood in you, don't be going around making such ignorant comments.

I can see a lesson in history being immensely beneficial to you.

My birthplace was Montreal, I wonder where I have immigrated from...

:lol:

[RolandCouch]

Me too. I was born here and I've lived in Ontario for nearly sixty years and it turns out I'm an immigrant.:cry:

When are people going to stop using that ridiculous argument? Even the natives had to come from somewhere. The predominant theory is they crossed the Bering Sea from what is now Russia during the last ice age, so THEY are immigrants too.

Using that twisted logic, everyone everywhere is an immigrant unless they can show the origins of their family beginning where they live.

Most people need to pick up a dictionary and learn the definition of immigrant.

[RolandCouch]

Chill, wasn't being serious but it is true.

Troll troll troll your boat.....

[Simaahoy]

Troll troll troll your boat.....

:lol:

[king_george]

Everyone is an immigrant here in Canada and USA, some 1st generation others 3rd generation, etc. Unless you have 100% native indian blood in you, don't be going around making such ignorant comments.

I can see a lesson in history being immensely beneficial to you.

Actually reading this again, the irony is strong in this post. :lol:

[manmanny]

The hidden agenda here is pretty clear. Muslims *shouldn't* be buying alcohol to begin with, I know I would have refused to sell to the "lady" in burkha. If you have no shame in drinking alcohol (see this from the perspective of a Muslim person), then you clearly don't have enough shame to be wearing a burkha.

The whole "experiment" is re.tarded imho.

really?
Who are you to decide whom it should be sold or not, Or Who should drink or not?
You have no right to decide who does what. That is why society has rules and we obey the rules.

DO you even read your own posts?


I see what you are saying and there is much truth to that. It's funny how people call themselves "serious" when they conveniently pick and choose which parts of the religion they want to follow and which to disobey.


Can't blame someone for caring more about you than you care about yourself.


I agree with you on this.
And yes you are funny. Or are you funny or just...?

[Katchemash]

really?
Who are you to decide whom it should be sold or not, Or Who should drink or not?
You have no right to decide who does what.

He is right considering its FORBIDDEN in both the Qur'an, Hadith and Sunna of drinking any wine or alcoholic beverage which makes you lose your senses unless its for a valid medical reason. Of course, some don't follow it but its written in the rules not to do so.

[Katchemash]

Hear, hear! :)

So what are Canadian values? All I see is eating Poutine and flaunting that you have one Bronze at the Olympics. Kazakhstan has 2 Gold and they are a much more recent country. What exactly is Canadian culture excluding Poutine, Saying "Eh" or Molson or whatever Canadian beer is.

[Simaahoy]

He is right considering its FORBIDDEN in both the Qur'an, Hadith and Sunna of drinking any wine or alcoholic beverage which makes you lose your senses unless its for a valid medical reason. Of course, some don't follow it but its written in the rules not to do so.

Well in Canada, you are allowed to do whatever you want as long as it's legal. This included wearing a burka for religious reasons and then buying alcohol at the local SAQ. In Islam is wrong, but legally that person can do whatever the eff they want

[RolandCouch]

So what are Canadian values? All I see is eating Poutine and flaunting that you have one Bronze at the Olympics. Kazakhstan has 2 Gold and they are a much more recent country. What exactly is Canadian culture excluding Poutine, Saying "Eh" or Molson or whatever Canadian beer is.

If you hate Canada so much, why are you here?

[manmanny]

He is right considering its FORBIDDEN in both the Qur'an, Hadith and Sunna of drinking any wine or alcoholic beverage which makes you lose your senses unless its for a valid medical reason. Of course, some don't follow it but its written in the rules not to do so.

Yeah Right. There are so many things FORBIDDEN in religion. You don't know who is obeying and not.
One would be killing but then the topic will be derailed.
Again you are not the moral Police to say no to drinking because They are Muslims.
As an LCBO cashier its not their job to do that. If they do then its against the rules or LCBO and country.

[RolandCouch]

Yeah Right. There are so many things FORBIDDEN in religion. You don't know who is obeying and not.
One would be killing but then the topic will be derailed.
Again you are not the moral Police to say no to drinking because They are Muslims.
As an LCBO cashier its not their job to do that. If they do then its against the rules or LCBO and country.

It's difficult to reason with stupidity - but I commend you for trying.

This thread is getting way off topic. I think the general consensus is that most people don't care if you want to wear a burka when you walk into the LCBO as long as you are willing to ID yourself when you make your purchase. I don't care if it is contradictory to any part of the religion or not - go nuts, just show your face so you can be ID'd and good to go.

[Katchemash]

If you hate Canada so much, why are you here?

for a piece of paper called a Diploma. Thats it.

[manmanny]

So what are Canadian values? All I see is eating Poutine and flaunting that you have one Bronze at the Olympics. Kazakhstan has 2 Gold and they are a much more recent country. What exactly is Canadian culture excluding Poutine, Saying "Eh" or Molson or whatever Canadian beer is.

OMG! Are are listening to yourself? What a hatred you have against Canada.
Why not you start training now for Canada and get some medals?
I have n idea why you hate Canada so much but I sure we dont want Citizens like you who keep on hating Canada.

[manmanny]

for a piece of paper called a Diploma. Thats it.

Why you need Diploma from Canada?

[Katchemash]

OMG! Are are listening to yourself? What a hatred you have against Canada?
Why not you start training now for Canada and get some medals?
I have n idea why you hate Canada so much but I sure we dont want Citizens like you who keep on hating Canada.

I'm not a Citizen so that point is moot. Even if I was I certainly wouldn't play for Canada. I'd rather play for my home country where I immigrated from.

[Katchemash]

Why you need Diploma from Canada?

Off topic but its vital to get a good job in the UN or as a diplomat.

In anycase, this SUN article is nothing but a hatred piece for Muslims.

[manmanny]

So what are Canadian values? All I see is eating Poutine and flaunting that you have one Bronze at the Olympics. Kazakhstan has 2 Gold and they are a much more recent country. What exactly is Canadian culture excluding Poutine, Saying "Eh" or Molson or whatever Canadian beer is.

Sir I pity you. I hope your parents are not wasting all that money on your education.
May Allah help you in life.


Off topic but its vital to get a good job in the UN or as a diplomat.

In anycase, this SUN article is nothing but a hatred piece for Muslims.

Sir I wish you never get job at UN. If can't fathom the rules and laws of any land and religion then you will never do good anywhere in life.

[Katchemash]

Sir I pity you. I hope your parents are not wasting all that money on your education.
May Allah help you in life.

My parents aren't paying for it that much is clear. I'm paying for it myself Thank you very much.
Allah always helps me in life and he will help me leave this country once I'm done so I don't have to be stuck here anymore. Its truely a culturalless place.


Sir I wish you never get job at UN. If can't fathom the rules and laws of any land and religion then you will never do good anywhere in life.

Heh, fine Canadian you are. Wishing evil on someone? Pathetic. I wish you all the UNHAPPINESS in life.

[manmanny]

Education Fail UN workers.:facepalm:

I always believed education don't make good people. Education helps good people to become better but not always.

[manmanny]

My parents aren't paying for it that much is clear. I'm paying for it myself Thank you very much.
Allah always helps me in life and he will help me leave this country once I'm done so I don't have to be stuck here anymore. Its truely a culturalless place.



Heh, fine Canadian you are. Wishing evil on someone? Pathetic. I wish you all the UNHAPPINESS in life.

Allah will never help people with such hatred. NEVER.


Wow. I can't get over this. "he will help me leave this country once I'm done so I don't have to be stuck here anymore. Its truely a culturalless place."

[Katchemash]

Education Fail UN workers.:facepalm:

I always believed education don't make good people. Education helps good people to become better but not always.

No Education makes people go places it never turns people into good little Human being unless you have a Hitler like mind which I'm beginning to suspect might be a little bit true.

[Katchemash]

Allah will never help people with such hatred. NEVER.


Oh and you wishing me that I'll fail in my UN job prospect to be good and fair? Your Pathetic.

[manmanny]

Why dont you read your own post?...Think over it why you hate Canada and still live here and then come back with some nice reply.

[king_george]

Oh and you wishing me that I'll fail in my UN job prospect to be good and fair? Your Pathetic.

You're pathetic.

Pay more attention in class. It's important if you want a diploma. :lol:

Why anyone would want a join in an organization as incompetent and corrupt as the UN is a mystery to me.

[Katchemash]

Why dont you read your own post?...Think over it why you hate Canada and still live here and then come back with some nice reply.

No I rather think you're a pathetic muslim wishing evil on people because you're so unhappy in your life.

[Agafaba]

It's difficult to reason with stupidity - but I commend you for trying.

This thread is getting way off topic. I think the general consensus is that most people don't care if you want to wear a burka when you walk into the LCBO as long as you are willing to ID yourself when you make your purchase. I don't care if it is contradictory to any part of the religion or not - go nuts, just show your face so you can be ID'd and good to go.

/thread

We all agree on the basics and now we are discussing Canada's culture, I think its time for a lock.

[RolandCouch]

Oh and you wishing me that I'll fail in my UN job prospect to be good and fair? Your Pathetic.

You will never get a job at the UN. That's for damn sure.

And 'culturalless'? LOL.

[RolandCouch]

/thread

We all agree on the basics and now we are discussing Canada's culture, I think its time for a lock.

+1. We are pretty much just entertaining a massive troll in Katchemash - or the most stubborn and dangerous type of person there is. He pretty much hates everyone who is not exactly like him.

[Katchemash]

You will never get a job at the UN. That's for damn sure.

And 'culturalless'? LOL.

Nope considering one of my family member has promised me the job once I get this diploma I'm assured the position. You must hate that. LOL

[king_george]

Nope considering one of my family member has promised me the job once I get this diploma I'm assured the position. You must hate that. LOL

Another fine addition by nepotism to the UN. You'll fit in well there. :lol:

I prefer to make my own accomplishments but if you need this much help as getting someone to give you a job, that's pathetic.

We used to laugh at people who got jobs this way when I was starting out. I still do ASMOF.

[Rainne]

Won't lie though, although the guy is a troll, I really don't understand what Canadian values are lol

They seem to be just a mix of universally accepted norms, and a quick Google search shows our national food is poutine and maple syrup?

[Katchemash]

Another fine addition by nepotism to the UN. You'll fit in well there. :lol:

I prefer to make my own accomplishments but if you need this much help as getting someone to give you a job, that's pathetic.

We used to laugh at people who got jobs this way when I was starting out. I still do ASMOF.

No its called connections and having a family. Of course a certain Canadian ethic group won't understand that sicne there is no concept of family in their vocabulary.

[VonMatterhorn]

Me too. I was born here and I've lived in Ontario for nearly sixty years and it turns out I'm an immigrant.:cry:

When are people going to stop using that ridiculous argument? Even the natives had to come from somewhere. The predominant theory is they crossed the Bering Sea from what is now Russia during the last ice age, so THEY are immigrants too.

Using that twisted logic, everyone everywhere is an immigrant unless they can show the origins of their family beginning where they live.
I'll give you an example of twisted logic. Alot of people call cars built in Canada or America by Japanese, German, or Korean companies "imports". These cars were "born" or built here then why do we call them imports?

Anyways no one person owns this country except maybe the Queen so let's not act like we do.

Point I am trying to make is that your forefathers brought cultural things to Canada as did mine. Canada is a land where people from different cultural backgrounds dwell. It is not anymore your country than mine or anyone else's. Let's embrace each other's differences rather than mock them. Remember no one dies when an immigrant comes here, unlike in the past when many died (natives) when Canada was originally formed.

Less hating, more loving.

PS. My previous post was not meant to incite any hard feelings. My bad for poor use of word "immigrant".

[RolandCouch]

Nope considering one of my family member has promised me the job once I get this diploma I'm assured the position. You must hate that. LOL

I hope written and oral communication in English isn't a requirement for the job because you'll be an epic failure no doubt about it.

I must hate that? Not at all because I know one of three things:

1) You're lying
2) You're telling the truth and you'll be fired
3) You're lying

[king_george]

No its called connections and having a family. Of course a certain Canadian ethic group won't understand that sicne there is no concept of family in their vocabulary.

Whatever. I think it's because you're not able to get that job yourself. Having to use connections is pathetic. I'd rather make it on my own (and I did) but if you're incapable of getting what you want on your own without whining to your family, more power to ya.

[king_george]

I'll give you an example of twisted logic. Alot of people call cars built in Canada or America by Japanese, German, or Korean companies "imports". These cars were "born" or built here then why do we call them imports?

Anyways no one person owns this country except maybe the Queen so let's not act like we do.

Point I am trying to make is that your forefathers brought cultural things to Canada as did mine. Canada is a land where people from different cultural backgrounds dwell. It is not anymore your country than mine or anyone else's. Let's embrace each other's differences rather than mock them. Remember no one dies when an immigrant comes here, unlike in the past when many died (natives) when Canada was originally formed.

Less hating, more loving.

PS. My previous post was not meant to incite any hard feelings. My bad for poor use of word "immigrant".

I'm not having any hard feelings, its just that I've heard those same words about us all being immigrants far too many times.

My family came here from Switzerland in 1874 (to Berlin Ontario) and brought their culture with them. It disappeared as more generations were born. The only thing I have in common with them is my last name now. I can see the same thing happening with the future generations of todays immigrants.

My family didn't kill natives, have slaves, steal land or foment rebellion. I feel not a whit of guilt about any of the actions against natives taken in the past.

ASAMOF, this country IS mine along with anyone who comes to live here, as it's yours also. I'd prefer all this ethnic crap (neighborhoods and such) would just go away except for the food of course. :) I don't hate anyone but there are some types of people I think deserve a punch in the face for their attitudes.>:(

Oh yes the Queen has zero power and zero holdings in this country. She got the boot a long time ago.

So let's drop the immigrant stuff for people who are born here. We are certainly not immigrants in any sense of the word.

[Heero01]

My parents aren't paying for it that much is clear. I'm paying for it myself Thank you very much.
Allah always helps me in life and he will help me leave this country once I'm done so I don't have to be stuck here anymore. Its truely a culturalless place.



Heh, fine Canadian you are. Wishing evil on someone? Pathetic. I wish you all the UNHAPPINESS in life.

Hey man - I'm from Sauga too. Let's meet up & discuss Canadian culture, I'll try and educate you.

[Katchemash]

Hey man - I'm from Sauga too. Let's meet up & discuss Canadian culture, I'll try and educate you.

No thanks. Not in my life plan to learn anything Canadian. Won't be useful to me ever.

[manmanny]

I'll give you an example of twisted logic. Alot of people call cars built in Canada or America by Japanese, German, or Korean companies "imports". These cars were "born" or built here then why do we call them imports?

Anyways no one person owns this country except maybe the Queen so let's not act like we do.

Point I am trying to make is that your forefathers brought cultural things to Canada as did mine. Canada is a land where people from different cultural backgrounds dwell. It is not anymore your country than mine or anyone else's. Let's embrace each other's differences rather than mock them. Remember no one dies when an immigrant comes here, unlike in the past when many died (natives) when Canada was originally formed.

Less hating, more loving.

PS. My previous post was not meant to incite any hard feelings. My bad for poor use of word "immigrant".

Sir, Did you know Native fought each other even before that?

[manmanny]

No thanks. Not in my life plan to learn anything Canadian. Won't be useful to me ever.


Won't lie though, although the guy is a troll, I really don't understand what Canadian values are lol

They seem to be just a mix of universally accepted norms, and a quick Google search shows our national food is poutine and maple syrup?

And what about that Diploma? Isn't that Canadian? Anyway the thread is gone to hell so lets all jump in.

[Heero01]

No thanks. Not in my life plan to learn anything Canadian. Won't be useful to me ever.

Too bad - you might enjoy Canadian culture. Not sure why your so afraid of Canadians. I can only hope people such as your self do not work in the UN. All the characteristics you are displaying go against what the UN stands for.

Edit: BTW... you aren't exactly repersenting Kazakstan very well. People hear Kazakstan and think Borat, I think kazakstan and now think "katchemash", and you are worse then Borat lol

[Katchemash]

Too bad - you might enjoy Canadian culture. Not sure why your so afraid of Canadians. I can only hope people such as your self do not work in the UN. All the characteristics you are displaying go against what the UN stands for.

Edit: BTW... you aren't exactly repersenting Kazakstan very well. People hear Kazakstan and think Borat, I think kazakstan and now think "katchemash", and you are worse then Borat lol

I'm not from Kazakhstan so you can clear your mind from that thought. I support them in the Olympics however alongside my own country.


Isn't that Canadian?

Nope, I learn not one thing from Canadian from that degree. It maybe printed in Canada but thats it.

[Agafaba]

No thanks. Not in my life plan to learn anything Canadian. Won't be useful to me ever.

Indeed, having some knowledge of Canadian culture would be completely useless while working for the United Nations. The best public policies are made by people who have no knowledge of those it applies to.

Unless of course your connection is getting you a job as a janitor or something.

[Katchemash]

Indeed, having some knowledge of Canadian culture would be completely useless while working for the United Nations. The best public policies are made by people who have no knowledge of those it applies to.

Unless of course your connection is getting you a job as a janitor or something.

I'm not working for the Canadian sector nor am I meeting with Canadian personalities. At most my meetings will revolve around Russia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan and thats it. Rarely if ever Americans. Canadians not even a whisker.

[Heero01]

I'm not from Kazakhstan so you can clear your mind from that thought. I support them in the Olympics however alongside my own country.



Nope, I learn not one thing from Canadian from that degree. It maybe printed in Canada but thats it.

Sad that people like you could be living beside me. Please move to brampton.



I'm not working for the Canadian sector nor am I meeting with Canadian personalities. At most my meetings will revolve around Russia,
I'm not working for the Canadian sector nor am I meeting with Canadian personalities. At most my meetings will revolve around Russia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan and thats it. Rarely if ever Americans. Canadians not even a whisker.

and thats it. Rarely if ever Americans. Canadians not even a whisker.

Your doing a good job repersenting these world powers already lol...

[manmanny]

I'm not working for the Canadian sector nor am I meeting with Canadian personalities. At most my meetings will revolve around Russia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan and thats it. Rarely if ever Americans. Canadians not even a whisker.

How come Afghanistan not in that list?

[Katchemash]

How come Afghanistan not in that list?

Because Afghanistan is not in Central Asia? What other reason is there?


Your doing a good job repersenting these world powers already lol...

To who? You? You do not matter at the least. I do not represent them to you at all.

[Heero01]

Because Afghanistan is not in Central Asia? What other reason is there?



To who? You? You do not matter at the least. I do not represent them to you at all.

Are you going to make: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan

[Simaahoy]

Because Afghanistan is not in Central Asia? What other reason is there?



To who? You? You do not matter at the least. I do not represent them to you at all.


What I don't understand why are you polluting this thread about your ethnic origins and your future.Plus you said that your were from kazacewstanblahblahwhatever...?

[VonMatterhorn]

I'm not having any hard feelings, its just that I've heard those same words about us all being immigrants far too many times.

My family came here from Switzerland in 1874 (to Berlin Ontario) and brought their culture with them. It disappeared as more generations were born. The only thing I have in common with them is my last name now. I can see the same thing happening with the future generations of todays immigrants.

My family didn't kill natives, have slaves, steal land or foment rebellion. I feel not a whit of guilt about any of the actions against natives taken in the past.

ASAMOF, this country IS mine along with anyone who comes to live here, as it's yours also. I'd prefer all this ethnic crap (neighborhoods and such) would just go away except for the food of course. :) I don't hate anyone but there are some types of people I think deserve a punch in the face for their attitudes.>:(

Oh yes the Queen has zero power and zero holdings in this country. She got the boot a long time ago.

So let's drop the immigrant stuff for people who are born here. We are certainly not immigrants in any sense of the word.
Agreed. We just need to be more welcoming of new people. The more we criticize their ways, the more resitant they are.

We must remember we are humans first, then Canadian/English/French/Christian/Jewish/etc Let us not forget. :)

[Hitman21]

Nah, I don't like redneck parties. UMAD?

Opposing views as in opposing the burka but you are too ignorant, I didn't know I was a redneck I thought I was suppose to be some racist troll?:confused:

I oppose the burka and it should be banned, UMAD?

[Simaahoy]

Opposing views as in opposing the burka but you are too ignorant, I didn't know I was a redneck I thought I was suppose to be some racist troll?:confused:

I oppose the burka and it should be banned, UMAD?

Why do you care if it's banned or not? Would it make your life any better? If so please explain why...

[Hitman21]

Why do you care if it's banned or not? Would it make your life any better? If so please explain why...

The burka is not part of the religion, nowhere does the book say that its required But it is required by men who treat women like second class citizens.

Whenever I see the burka I get scared because I have no idea who is under it, burkas have been used by suicide bombers . The burka oppresses women and I cant stand by and let them do this. I am scared what they could be hiding under the burka as well, I would feel the same way if I saw someone wearing a ski mask as well

[Ottomaddox]

Whenever I see the burka I get scared because I have no idea who is under it, burkas have been used by suicide bombers .

Where exactly do you live...?

[Royalsoldier]

Whenever I see the burka I get scared because I have no idea who is under it, burkas have been used by suicide bombers

This is exactly what Fox news preaches - that every burka-wearing woman is a potential terrorist (the big "T" word to create mass-fear).

I feel as safe next to a woman in a burka as I do next to a catholic priest. I dated a Muslim woman and the people she introduced me to from her faith had nothing but peace and kindness to share.

Just because a few renegade Muslims kill doesn't mean they're all alike - that's ignorance.

Do you think the people in Iran classify all the whites as potential murderous totting gunmen after reading about the killer from the batman premier massacre since he was white?

Just let them be. People who wear burka's are harmless. It's the racist reporters/news agencies with hidden agenda's who are promoting them as harmful.

[freeloader1969]

Everyone is an immigrant here in Canada and USA, some 1st generation others 3rd generation, etc. Unless you have 100% native indian blood in you, don't be going around making such ignorant comments.

I can see a lesson in history being immensely beneficial to you.

No lesson necessary. I've probably forgotten more about history in the last twenty five years than you've ever learned in your entire life. By your statement, I'm betting you have an open door policy regarding immigration. Let everyone in, even the criminals and potential terrorists.