CPAP machines

[Wing Nut]

I'll do a google search later on this and will ask my doctor for options. I have sleep apnea and have to use one of these CPAP machines. I'm doing a trial now and the machine isn't bad. It's not as large as I thought it would be.

I'm interested in others' experience with these things. I guess years ago the machines were much larger and cumbersome, but this one is much smaller. Are there options that are even smaller and easier to use? Seriously, if the machine was as large as the ones I've heard about, I probably wouldn't bother. A friend uses one of the bigger ones and says it's a pain in the arse.

However, I am sleeping better - longer without waking so am waking feeling more refreshed. That's a big benefit for me and that alone is probably worth it. My health plan covers 100% of the cost, which is great.

I think I'll buy one of these things but am curious about the experiences of others.

[daviiiiiid]

which one do you mean by "this one"?

[sonic]

im just wondering if there were any other suggestions to treat your sleep apnea? like medications? or nose gaurd? does your heart actually stop?

my SIL was just diagnoised.

[cyphon21]

You can also get an oral appliance. It's done by your dentist though. Check your coverage with your group policy first though if it would be covered. Sometimes they are based on severity of sleep apnea, and only with a doctor's letter saying a CPAP unit will not work for you.

[MrDisco]

im just wondering if there were any other suggestions to treat your sleep apnea? like medications? or nose gaurd? does your heart actually stop?

different treatment includes medication, throat surgery, dental device to extend the lower jaw, the CPAP all combined with diet and exercise. the specialist will determine the best course of action.

your heart doesn't stop. your breathing is interrupted many (many) times throughout the night.

[wilsonlam97]

I have a machine too (sleep doctor recommended it). I don't use it ever because it gives me a sore throat (idk why). I use distilled water but still. I don't have any sleeping problems anymore since I got my tonsils cut and lost weight.

[tkl]

Wing Nut,

I just bought a ResMed S9, top of the line machine for my elderly relative. It comes with the detachable humidifier.

http://www.resmed.com/us/products/s9_series/s9-series.html?nc=dealers#

1) Machine is quiet, I literally didn't know it was on until the hoses were unplugged from the machine. It's also fairly small. Like my 1 TB external HDD drive.

2) Prices varies everywhere for the same machine. I was quoted $ 1089.00 - $ 1600.00 for the same machine.

3) Do NOT, THAT'S NOT , go to the place your sleep doctor recommends as it's not necessarily the cheapest, it may just be where he/she gets the kick back. It's just a machine and lots of places sell them.

4) Don't let them up sell you on needless service. You may want a better mask that what it comes with and even that was a rip off at $ 249.00

5) In the end, I was very surprised the lowest price was Shoppers Home Health care centre. You get Optimum points too but not 20X, as I tried.

6) With any of these places, you have to meet with the CPAP person who will discuss and fit you with one but since you're covered, you might as well just get the top of the line.

7) Pay by credit card, extend the warranty for an extra year to 4 in total.

8) Best part is I no longer hear the thunderous roar of the snore in the house and she sleeps so much better.

Good luck.

[Simaahoy]

OP, check out the cpaptalk forums someone will be able to answer your question there.

[taintedcobra]

buy online it is only around $100-200

[tkl]

buy online it is only around $100-200

Not for a new top of the line Resmed S9. Not even for a used one.

Online is much better for masks, tubes, filters, etc.

[taintedcobra]

http://www.respshop.com/cpap-machines/silent-traveler-cpap-machine-p-353.html

$178.99, just like i said

[MrDisco]

http://www.respshop.com/cpap-machines/silent-traveler-cpap-machine-p-353.html

$178.99, just like i said

That's not even the same brand. Not all units are created equal.

[Simaahoy]

http://www.respshop.com/cpap-machines/silent-traveler-cpap-machine-p-353.html

$178.99, just like i said


The ones that are better range from $400-1,000.

http://www.cpap.com/cpap-machine/resmed-s9-autoset-cpap-machine.html

but people do use this one

http://www.cpap.com/productpage/2507

[Keigotw]

I have a machine too (sleep doctor recommended it). I don't use it ever because it gives me a sore throat (idk why). I use distilled water but still. I don't have any sleeping problems anymore since I got my tonsils cut and lost weight.

does it hurt? and any problem drinking or eating, does it sometimes go into the wrong place?

[wilsonlam97]

does it hurt? and any problem drinking or eating, does it sometimes go into the wrong place?

Oh getting your tonsils cut is probably the least painful surgery in the world. It's basically a bad sore throat for 2 weeks. (average healing time)

I ate ice cream and it helped a lot. Anything cold was good. What did suck was that I had been only able to eat congee or oatmeal for most of the two weeks. It was painful but it's not absolutely the worse experience in your life. I recommend the surgery. It definitely changed my sleeping pattern for the better.

I also heard that if you get your tonsils cut, your less prone to sore throats. I find this to be mostly true. The frequency of my having a sore throat is maybe once or twice a year. Not more.

[wilsonlam97]

My CPAP machine was $500!!!!

It was bought directly from the place that tested me. It's also big and clunky.

[Chrispy]

Oh getting your tonsils cut is probably the least painful surgery in the world. It's basically a bad sore throat for 2 weeks. (average healing time)

I ate ice cream and it helped a lot. Anything cold was good. What did suck was that I had been only able to eat congee or oatmeal for most of the two weeks. It was painful but it's not absolutely the worse experience in your life. I recommend the surgery. It definitely changed my sleeping pattern for the better.

I also heard that if you get your tonsils cut, your less prone to sore throats. I find this to be mostly true. The frequency of my having a sore throat is maybe once or twice a year. Not more.

I just had my tonsils out on Thursday the 19th and i'm just nearing the end of the recovery phase. I also had my adenoids removed, and a UPPP (Basically they increase the size of your throat opening). It's definitely not the worst surgery you could ever have, but it is certainly annoying being that it involves your throat - basically the feeling of extreme sore throat. You eat soft foods for the first week at least and must keep yourself hydrated so lots of water is a must. I was given a medicated gargle to use before i eat/sleep which numbs the sore areas and helps immensely for getting things down with little to no pain.

Having said all of that, the pain was worth the gain. I was diagnosed with severe sleep apnea, and I stopped breathing for up to 3 minutes at a time during my sleep study. My roommates have now commented that my snoring has pretty much stopped, and yes, in general, now that i'm mostly healed up, I am able to have a much more sound rest and am waking up a lot more refreshed.

If you are a potential candidate for the surgery (consult your doctor to find out), go for it - I would definitely recommend it. I would have gone the CPAP route if there were no other alternatives, but I wanted to avoid having to sleep with a machine to be fully rested for the rest of my life.

[Shaner]

It's my understanding that the average person with sleep apnea will not qualify for the surgery for whatever reason. I've read it's generally considered an unsuccessful surgery for most which is why most doctors don't like doing it at all, and that even if it is successful in the short term, the sleep apnea can reappear down the line.

[tkl]

http://www.respshop.com/cpap-machines/silent-traveler-cpap-machine-p-353.html

$178.99, just like i said

Yes, but not for the top of the line machine that I was referring to. This is the machine I bought, for pretty much that price at Shoppers where other places were asking $ 500.00 more.

http://www.respshop.com/cpap-machines/resmed-elite-with-humidifier-climateline-tubing-p-193.html

[jaysfan4life]

If you buy a cpap machine at shoppers. The government pays for half and your private medical insurance covers the other half.

[taintedcobra]

top of the line does not mean anything

[Wing Nut]

which one do you mean by "this one"?

It's a Phillips Respirator System One machine.i have borrowed one from my clinic and have just finished one week and it's brought my no-breathing incidents down from 33 per hour to 6.4. My guy has made some adjustments to see if we can get it under 5.

I'll knowin another week ifthisnis working well but so far it's great. I'm much more rested than before. The machines quiet and not the pain in the arse I thought it would be. My plan covers it, too. I expect I'll but a machine when this test is over.

From my research i highly doubt any other device would help me. I'm not REM sleeping because of my non-breathing during the night. I'm becoming sold on this device.

[CanadianMoFo]

http://www.respshop.com/cpap-machines/silent-traveler-cpap-machine-p-353.html

$178.99, just like i said

I sell CPAP machines. I can tell you that one is a super basic unit. It doesn't even have a humidifier. It doesn't even qualify for funding through the Ontario ADP program. As a spare machine, or a cottage machine its a good purchase. However as far as comparing to the S9....it doesn't at all. Worlds apart.

I like the S9, however it's a bit complicated for our usual CPAP customers. If you're younger and like sweet digital stuff, then its a great machine. The Respironics System One is our usual choice. It's a bit simpler. If you're having humidity issues then the Fisher and Paykel Nuvo unit might be a good choice with its much larger water reservoir.

CM

[tkl]

I sell CPAP machines. I can tell you that one is a super basic unit. It doesn't even have a humidifier. It doesn't even qualify for funding through the Ontario ADP program. As a spare machine, or a cottage machine its a good purchase. However as far as comparing to the S9....it doesn't at all. Worlds apart.

I like the S9, however it's a bit complicated for our usual CPAP customers. If you're younger and like sweet digital stuff, then its a great machine. The Respironics System One is our usual choice. It's a bit simpler. If you're having humidity issues then the Fisher and Paykel Nuvo unit might be a good choice with its much larger water reservoir.

CM

I got the S9 for a 71 year old grandmother. Everything is preset by the salesman like yourself. She presses one button every night.

[Maymybonneliveforever]

Depending on the severity of the sleep apnea there may not be any other option but a cpap machine. Getting a low cost unit may not be in your best interest since your nightly sleep may very well be effected by the machine you use.

The ResMed S8-S9 machines listed are very good quality but unfortumely normally above the $1000.00 new price range including humidifier. What's inportant with these machines is there is an onboard computer that monitors your sleep habits and help you in determining the best setting. Remember your specialists should determine what the computer printout results mean and adjust the muliply setting accordingly. The S8-S9 cpap machines are capable of telling you how many times you stop breathing every night as well as many other important results.

Just as important is your nasal mask, as well as pillows, educate yourself in which one suits you the best and gives you the most comforable sleep as well as minimize leakage. Remember don't cheap out on your health.

Good luck.

[Wing Nut]

I sell CPAP machines. I can tell you that one is a super basic unit. It doesn't even have a humidifier. It doesn't even qualify for funding through the Ontario ADP program. As a spare machine, or a cottage machine its a good purchase. However as far as comparing to the S9....it doesn't at all. Worlds apart.

I like the S9, however it's a bit complicated for our usual CPAP customers. If you're younger and like sweet digital stuff, then its a great machine. The Respironics System One is our usual choice. It's a bit simpler. If you're having humidity issues then the Fisher and Paykel Nuvo unit might be a good choice with its much larger water reservoir.

CM

I take it that the Philips Respironics System One is a good machine? It has the computer and the specialist can take the memory card out to analyze the data to adjust settings. I think this is the one I'll get but the cost is something like $2,200. My plan covers it so the cost isn't terribly important, I guess, but I don't want the insurer to pay more than it should and I definitely want a good machine.

What is the life expectancy of these machines? Five years, or more?

[zalapski]

My Grandfather requires a CPAP machine. What paper-work do we need to submit in order for the government to cover half the cost? Of course the sleep doctor strongly recommended a certain place to buy and we just want to go to Shoppers Home Health Centre.


Wing Nut,

I just bought a ResMed S9, top of the line machine for my elderly relative. It comes with the detachable humidifier.

http://www.resmed.com/us/products/s9_series/s9-series.html?nc=dealers#

2) Prices varies everywhere for the same machine. I was quoted $ 1089.00 - $ 1600.00 for the same machine.

3) Do NOT, THAT'S NOT , go to the place your sleep doctor recommends as it's not necessarily the cheapest, it may just be where he/she gets the kick back. It's just a machine and lots of places sell them.

4) Don't let them up sell you on needless service. You may want a better mask that what it comes with and even that was a rip off at $ 249.00

5) In the end, I was very surprised the lowest price was Shoppers Home Health care centre. You get Optimum points too but not 20X, as I tried.

6) With any of these places, you have to meet with the CPAP person who will discuss and fit you with one but since you're covered, you might as well just get the top of the line.

Good luck.


Yes, but not for the top of the line machine that I was referring to. This is the machine I bought, for pretty much that price at Shoppers where other places were asking $ 500.00 more.

http://www.respshop.com/cpap-machines/resmed-elite-with-humidifier-climateline-tubing-p-193.html


If you buy a cpap machine at shoppers. The government pays for half and your private medical insurance covers the other half.

[CanadianMoFo]

It is a good machine. The auto adjusting humidification in it has really decreased client complaints about being dry.

The cost at some of the CPAP providers is just stunning. We charge the approved $1040 for the machine, and if you need an upgraded nasal mask its $189, $349 for any full face. I see all sorts of invoices from our competitors charging crazy amounts for upcharges.

Life expectancy is a crap shoot. Most last 5+ years. However we do have a lot of issues at the 3-5 year point. From 0-3 years the manufacturer does a replacement under warranty. Its the 3-5 year machines that are the issue. I've never seen a machine come back at less than $400 to fix. There's only one place in Manitoba that does repairs in Canada. We offer demo (used) machines for $450, or most times the ins co will pay for the repairs. If you're over the 5 year mark you can go back to the ADP program for a new machine.

I've had some old machines come in that were 10 years old or more. It all depends how you treat them, how clean the power is, and just pure luck of the draw.

CM

[CanadianMoFo]

If you buy a cpap machine at shoppers. The government pays for half and your private medical insurance covers the other half.

Incorrect. The government through the ADP program covers 75% of the cost of the basic machine and mask. The client pays 25%.

CM

[CanadianMoFo]

My Grandfather requires a CPAP machine. What paper-work do we need to submit in order for the government to cover half the cost? Of course the sleep doctor strongly recommended a certain place to buy and we just want to go to Shoppers Home Health Centre.

His MD at the sleep clinic will fill out the ADP application and with the vendor they will submit it to the Ontario government for payment of 75% of the basic cost of the perscribed device. The client pays the other 25% directly to the vendor, as well as any upcharges for different masks and such.

CM

[Maymybonneliveforever]

The government through the ADP program covers 75% of the cost of the basic machine and mask. The client pays 25%.

CMThanks for the information.

If I may ask, what are the usual problems that would cause a standard S8 type machine to need replacement. In other words what are the normal causes for repair? Also when I'm in need of replacement, do you have a location I can check out pricing since I bought mine through insurance from a ProRESP dealer and the price to insurance was quite high.

[CanadianMoFo]

Thanks for the information.

If I may ask, what are the usual problems that would cause a standard S8 type machine to need replacement. In other words what are the normal causes for repair? Also when I'm in need of replacement, do you have a location I can check out pricing since I bought mine through insurance from a ProRESP dealer and the price to insurance was quite high.

Well usually they come in with a couple types of issues. We don't sell the S8 too often but all repairs are somewhat similar between machines. They either come in with an error message on the screen, a loud blower motor, humidifier doesn't work, or the whole thing is kaput. There's often no way to determine the cause of the damage.

However, transporting it with the water chamber filled will often cause electronic failure. The water can slosh back into the machine and damage the sensors.

Occasionally after an electrical storm we will get customers coming in with dead machines. I suspect power fluctuations might be the cause for that.

I don't have a location you can check out pricing as they are a perscribed medical device and are not really a big retail item. You can PM me with specific requests for prices if you want. However I'm roughly 550km north of Brampton so its a bit of a drive to get here.

CM

[tkl]

My Grandfather requires a CPAP machine. What paper-work do we need to submit in order for the government to cover half the cost? Of course the sleep doctor strongly recommended a certain place to buy and we just want to go to Shoppers Home Health Centre.

Your SLEEP Dr gives your grandfather a prescription for a machine with the settings. You bring it into Shoppers or store of your choice and the CPAP specialist there does the rest. Government covers 75 percent of the cost. I suggest you do some research on the machine but so far my elderly relative has no complaints. Her machine is idiot proof, can download sleep data, has humidifier, super silent.

[jabeen98]

My mum was never comfortable with the CPAP machine and she stopped using it a while ago.
Recently got an appt to see if an oral appliance would be a better option. Anybody have an opinion?
I made a down payment and will get zero financing over 12 to 18 months not sure if I can back
out now although she hasn't been fitted for it yet.

[MrDisco]

Recently got an appt to see if an oral appliance would be a better option. Anybody have an opinion?


the appliance is easier to use with far less fuss, but it may not be as effective as the cpap.

[Shaner]

My mum was never comfortable with the CPAP machine and she stopped using it a while ago.
Recently got an appt to see if an oral appliance would be a better option. Anybody have an opinion?
I made a down payment and will get zero financing over 12 to 18 months not sure if I can back
out now although she hasn't been fitted for it yet.

CPAP can be a life threatening condition, so your mom should continue to follow the doctors orders until she gets back in to see about an oral appliance.

[mrsandman]

I've used CPAP for 10 yrs. now, i find it hard to believe a dental appliance can provide the same solution, Dental appliance may help with reducing snoring, Sleep apnea is totally different.....If you snore,(even terribly) it doesn't necessarily mean you have sleep apnea, however most apnea sufferers snore like a sailor, so people jump to the conclusion.... snoring=apnea
If Mom needs the machine, she's risking her health by not using it....if she's a classic apnea sufferer, she'll stop breathing many times during the night, try holding your breath ,see what your blood pressure does, multiply this many times every night=major health risk for stroke, heart attack...
I love my machine.....pushing 1 button guarantees good night sleep +gentle white noise to mask other sounds....

[Wallly]

Think about camping , power failure ect , make sure you get one that is 12v compatible . Your coverage should cover the cost of a battery .

[tsat]

does it hurt? and any problem drinking or eating, does it sometimes go into the wrong place?

I had the Uvulopalatopharyngoplasty (UPPP) surgery for obstructive sleep apnea. Removal of tonsils, adenoids, uvula, throat tissue, and some soft palate.

To anyone who is considering this surgery... Don't. It worked great for a few months and then there's been a gradual deterioration to the point where I'm not much better off.

Side affects as far as eating go were:
- Everything tasted metallic (both food and drink) for about 6 months after the surgery
- initially liquid easily goes through your nose when swallowing (Carbonated beverages hurt), this occasionally happens six years later
- I can "feel" the burn of spicy foods in my nose and spicy foods (that i used to love) now give me severe hiccups

Other side effects:
- Weight gain... Say what you want but the surgeon warned me before hand that i may put on weight after and i did, despite nothing else changing in regards to my lifestyle.
- I became unable to play several instruments i could before, any build-up of air pressure in my mouth would escape out my nose. This still happens today after 6 years of trying.
- When i used to get hiccups i could easily make them stop by relaxing my body. I can't do it any more and hiccups can sometimes last for days, especially when caused by spicy food mentioned above.
- I can't snort like a pig anymore

A few years after the surgery my dentist made me a bite plate because i grind my teeth. After getting used to the thing it became apparent that it minimised my apnea so I'd suggest people try the dental appliance first.

[tsat]

I just had my tonsils out on Thursday the 19th and i'm just nearing the end of the recovery phase. I also had my adenoids removed, and a UPPP (Basically they increase the size of your throat opening). It's definitely not the worst surgery you could ever have, but it is certainly annoying being that it involves your throat - basically the feeling of extreme sore throat. You eat soft foods for the first week at least and must keep yourself hydrated so lots of water is a must. I was given a medicated gargle to use before i eat/sleep which numbs the sore areas and helps immensely for getting things down with little to no pain.

Having said all of that, the pain was worth the gain. I was diagnosed with severe sleep apnea, and I stopped breathing for up to 3 minutes at a time during my sleep study. My roommates have now commented that my snoring has pretty much stopped, and yes, in general, now that i'm mostly healed up, I am able to have a much more sound rest and am waking up a lot more refreshed.

If you are a potential candidate for the surgery (consult your doctor to find out), go for it - I would definitely recommend it. I would have gone the CPAP route if there were no other alternatives, but I wanted to avoid having to sleep with a machine to be fully rested for the rest of my life.

Hopefully it works out better for you than it did for me.

[zalapski]

Thanks for your input, finally decided on a CPAP machine. Any suggestions on authorized stores (either local, on-line, US-included) that carry parts and filters for the Resmed unit? TIA.



His MD at the sleep clinic will fill out the ADP application and with the vendor they will submit it to the Ontario government for payment of 75% of the basic cost of the perscribed device. The client pays the other 25% directly to the vendor, as well as any upcharges for different masks and such.

CM


Your SLEEP Dr gives your grandfather a prescription for a machine with the settings. You bring it into Shoppers or store of your choice and the CPAP specialist there does the rest. Government covers 75 percent of the cost. I suggest you do some research on the machine but so far my elderly relative has no complaints. Her machine is idiot proof, can download sleep data, has humidifier, super silent.

[BiGD33nS]

I got the respironics system one, and I monitor it using the open source Sleepyhead software. I am using it part-time (stupidly) since about 2 years but I am now almost using it everynight and I can see the benefits. I have more energy throughough the day and feel generally better. Whenever I do a good night of 7h+ sleep with the CPAP on, my lungs feels bigger and filled, compared to empty when I am not on the CPAP.

The only downside is that it takes a while to get used to. Mine is an automatic pressure system so it's better I guess but it took me almost a year of part-time use to finally do full nights. Also, get a good mask because the first mask I had was not doing the trick at all, I had several leaks.

[tkl]

Thanks for your input, finally decided on a CPAP machine. Any suggestions on authorized stores (either local, on-line, US-included) that carry parts and filters for the Resmed unit? TIA.

You won't really need anything to begin with as everything is new. You basically need to decide whether you want a better , less bukier mask than the one that you machine will come with. I have found the prices at the stores are really overprices. The prices online as long as they're a certified seller are much cheaper. We bought an overpriced one retail at the time because we wanted to use it right away instead of waiting for it to ship.

The nasal pillow masks are so much lighter and smaller and it doesn't cover your whole mouth. This costs $ 250.00 retail, $ 200.00 with a discount and much less online.

http://www.respshop.com/nasal-pillows-masks/resmed-swift-nasal-pillow-cpap-mask-with-headgear-p-119.html

[zalapski]

How can one get the discount for the nasal pillow mask?

I noticed the website you provided requires a US prescription for all mask purchases.



The nasal pillow masks are so much lighter and smaller and it doesn't cover your whole mouth. This costs $ 250.00 retail, $ 200.00 with a discount and much less online.

http://www.respshop.com/nasal-pillows-masks/resmed-swift-nasal-pillow-cpap-mask-with-headgear-p-119.html

[tkl]

How can one get the discount for the nasal pillow mask?

I noticed the website you provided requires a US prescription for all mask purchases.


They're classified as medical equipment but there are exceptions. You would have to decide if it's worth it to you with shipping, poss duty. I happen to have an Amerifriend/relative. If you cross border shop, you may be able to do it yourself.

"However, for masks there is an exception to the rule. We can sell you all the parts to the mask without a prescription just not the complete mask put together. You will notice on our site masks without headgear. You can purchase these CPAP Masks without a prescription. If you have any questions regarding this please email us "rx@1800cpap.com

http://1800cpap.com/cpap-machine-mask-prescription-policy.aspx

http://1800cpap.com/cpap-masks-pillow-style.aspx

[packardbell]

looking to bite the bullet on a auto CPAP respironics. what do you think?


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[CanadianMoFo]

Seems like about the same price you'd pay if you went through the ADP funding for the unit. However you don't have to go for a sleep study or qualify for the Auto machine that you want, so its a more direct way in that sense.

Don't forget the hundreds in fees and taxes that will be collected on delivery if its shipped by UPS or FedEX from the US.

CM

[packardbell]

picked it all up

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[CanadianMoFo]

Neat. What's the website to order from?

[packardbell]

Neat. What's the website to order from?
a member recommended respshop.com, and so far proven excellent sales, shipping etc...

[Wallly]

I have one like that, failed at 18 months


picked it all up

http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h343/packardbell2nhand/IMG_29301.jpg

[packardbell]

I have one like that, failed at 18 months

lucky or unlucky for me that is comes with a three year warranty?

[Wallly]

lucky or unlucky for me that is comes with a three year warranty?

Lucky if you used a cc .