Getting a new car (M5/RS5/CTS-V/XFR)

[rafale6]

I've got several options for a new car (sports sedan or coupe), but the only one I've driven so far is the BMW M5. Other options I'm considering are: Audi RS5, Cadillac CTS-V Coupe, Jaguar XFR. I'm looking at the latest models for each. I really like the look of the new CTS-V Coupe, but I'm leaning more towards the M5 at the moment. Any thoughts? I'll be financing the car, and though I don't have a budget, a better price/performance ratio is always a good thing.

Feel free to suggest other options. Anything apart from Lexus IS (Toyota garbage) or 3-series/C-class (common, boring, c-lai choice of the year).

[coriolis]

G37 ipl?

[Sniper001]

Financing the car? As in you will keep it AFTER the warranty expires? Well, if you're baller enough to afford those cars I suppose you'd be baller enough to fork over the maintenance. If it was a lease, I'd hands down get the M5 (for obvious reasons.) If you're financing, I'd get the RS5.

I don't like the looks of the Jaguar or Cady you mentioned. I wouldn't even consider them.. to me those cars target a different kind of consumer (i.e. the older gentleman.)

[Maymybonneliveforever]

The looks of the cars you have suggested are wide spread so I'll assume you're main concern is performance. Are you looking for straight line or all around handling performance. Having a budget in mind is important and I'll assume you've checked to ensure you'll have no problems with the high finance of a new 2012/13 CTS-V for eg.?
I don't like the looks of the Jaguar or Cady you mentioned. I wouldn't even consider them.. to me those cars target a different kind of consumer (i.e. the older gentleman.)I'm not sure what age group you would consider "older gentlemen", but I rarely see 60's on people driving 600+ hp high performance cars. I tend to see the 30-60 age group in the truly high performance, high price point segment.

[rafale6]

Sniper001, that might have been true about 10-20 years ago, but both Jaguar and Cadillac are working to turn that around. The XFR and CTS-V coupe sure don't like they're being targeted towards an older age group, but I don't know how well they hold up against the M5 and RS5.

Also I'm not leasing because I intend to keep the car for as long as I can.


Having a budget in mind is important and I'll assume you've checked to ensure you'll have no problems with the high finance of a new 2012/13 CTS-V for eg.?

Yeah, I've checked the financing details for all the cars listed in my original post.

I've never heard of the G37 IPL before. Looks really good.

[Sniper001]

The looks of the cars you have suggested are wide spread so I'll assume you're main concern is performance. Are you looking for straight line or all around handling performance. Having a budget in mind is important and I'll assume you've checked to ensure you'll have no problems with the high finance of a new 2012/13 CTS-V for eg.?I'm not sure what age group you would consider "older gentlemen", but I rarely see 60's on people driving 600+ hp high performance cars. I tend to see the 30-60 age group in the truly high performance, high price point segment.
Sorry, I should have clarified. When I say older gentlemen I mean 35+. As opposed to 20-35. I.e. People with families. I would have said seniors if I was referring to people over the age of 60. Again, this is just my opinion based on what I have seen.

[Marx0r]

I think all the RS5s have been sold out?

[Jon04CTS]

If you're factoring price/performance ratio you can't beat the V. A loaded V Coupe is about $84k and it blows away the RS5 & XFR and is about neck and neck with the new M5. The Magnetic Ride Control suspension is phenomenal. Drive a stretch of road and switch between Touring and Sport mode; you'll really notice the difference. The suspension reacts so quickly that in Touring you don't feel most of the bumps. In Sport you can corner as hard as you want and have pretty much zero bodyroll.

Plenty of power to put a smile on your face, only 4hp short of the new M5.

Go drive one.

[Heero01]

LOL...

What a great thread - before purchasing my BRZ I was looking at these cars for the lolz (no way I could afford ANY of them... 20 yr old full time student paying tuition... sigh -_-).

All of them are VERY nice cars, but at the end of the day I would go with either the audi or the M5. Don't get me wrong, the CTS is a nice car, but if you can afford the M5... go with it.

BTW... if you don't mind me asking: Age + income?

[rafale6]

Heero01, 23 and 80k/year. I don't really have many other expenses at the moment, so I'm hoping I can afford these. :x

Jon04CTS suggested that the CTS-V Coupe would be the best in terms of price/performance, so I'm kind of torn between that and the M5 right now. I drove a friend's M5 once and I loved it. I'll test drive the CTS-V and see how it compares.

I looked at the BRZ as well. It's an awesome car, but I wanted something a little bigger.

[DJ_Peanuts22]

CTS-V coupe = Best bang for the buck out of all four


G37 ipl?

Not baller enough.

[Kunman]

G37 ipl?

G37 imo is a horrible driver's car. Because of its weight, and mellow anti roll and spring rate it bobbles around corners.

IPL makes very little difference :/

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most of the cars op want is 4 door. So I assume there are passenger obligations for Op to fullfill.

imo than, the Porsche Panamera GTS or S or the awd variants would make a good car for the op.

And out of all the options op provided. I would go with.

1. non 1st yr M5
2. Cadillac

[q1w2e3]

LOL...

What a great thread - before purchasing my BRZ I was looking at these cars for the lolz (no way I could afford ANY of them... 20 yr old full time student paying tuition... sigh -_-).

All of them are VERY nice cars, but at the end of the day I would go with either the audi or the M5. Don't get me wrong, the CTS is a nice car, but if you can afford the M5... go with it.

BTW... if you don't mind me asking: Age + income?

plz tell me how you can afford a 32k car as a "student" paying tuition

ready............ go.

[forthewinwin]

plz tell me how you can afford a 32k car as a "student" paying tuition
ready............ go.

You'd be surprised. A fellow student in my Multivariable Calculus class was driving a 2007 335i.

Most likely it's either
a) Parents help pay a portion
b) Student loan w/ some parent assistance
c) You saved up for a long time but will be graduating from university/college late because of it
d) Drug dealer on the side

[adrenaline rush]

You might also want to consider the S6, E63 AMG or a Porsche Panamera if you're considering 4 doors. If you want a two door, how about the M6 or a 911?

[booblehead]

Porsche 911 (if it's within your budget).

Not sure where OP is located, but if you are from GTA, you can PM me and I will tell you where you can get a deal done.

[DJ_Peanuts22]

plz tell me how you can afford a 32k car as a "student" paying tuition

ready............ go.

$32K is FR-S pricing. The BRZ is closer to $36K fully loaded.

[rafale6]

Porsche 911 (if it's within your budget).

Not sure where OP is located, but if you are from GTA, you can PM me and I will tell you where you can get a deal done.

Yeah I'm in the GTA. Somehow I forgot about the 911 even though I've always loved that car. PM sent.

[AudiDude]

I don't really want to say it, but because your car choices are all over the map, you don't really sound like you are an enthusiast. Most of us know with a given budget what we would get immediately and you don't seem to have a clue. With your last comment in the original post, I would think that you are out to impress people other than yourself.

The only reason why I mention this is so that if this is the case, don't financially burden yourself to impress others. If you like something and can afford it with the money that is left over from your RRSP contributions, your non RRSP contributions, your personal savings, your investments, and the cash you keep on hand for just in case moments, by all means go ahead. Drive them and don't let anybody else tell you what to get in terms of performance, but do a lot of checking into reliability/cost.

I had a used car that had a 6K brake booster that liked to malfunction. I sold it within a year of finding that out and a year later the part went. Lucky I heard the issue from a mechanic friend.

[Kunman]

I don't really want to say it, but because your car choices are all over the map, you don't really sound like you are an enthusiast. Most of us know with a given budget what we would get immediately and you don't seem to have a clue. With your last comment in the original post, I would think that you are out to impress people other than yourself.

The only reason why I mention this is so that if this is the case, don't financially burden yourself to impress others. If you like something and can afford it with the money that is left over from your RRSP contributions, your non RRSP contributions, your personal savings, your investments, and the cash you keep on hand for just in case moments, by all means go ahead. Drive them and don't let anybody else tell you what to get in terms of performance, but do a lot of checking into reliability/cost.

I had a used car that had a 6K brake booster that liked to malfunction. I sold it within a year of finding that out and a year later the part went. Lucky I heard the issue from a mechanic friend.

harsh but +1

to get pussay r8 or motorcycle would be the best

[rafale6]

I don't really want to say it, but because your car choices are all over the map, you don't really sound like you are an enthusiast. Most of us know with a given budget what we would get immediately and you don't seem to have a clue. With your last comment in the original post, I would think that you are out to impress people other than yourself.

The only reason why I mention this is so that if this is the case, don't financially burden yourself to impress others. If you like something and can afford it with the money that is left over from your RRSP contributions, your non RRSP contributions, your personal savings, your investments, and the cash you keep on hand for just in case moments, by all means go ahead. Drive them and don't let anybody else tell you what to get in terms of performance, but do a lot of checking into reliability/cost.

I had a used car that had a 6K brake booster that liked to malfunction. I sold it within a year of finding that out and a year later the part went. Lucky I heard the issue from a mechanic friend.

Yes of course, I'll be making sure I can handle the cost before going ahead with the deal. Thanks for the tips.

[booblehead]

Oops, OP. very sorry. I meant to suggest if you are looking for a M5, anyway, I have replied to you.

As for 911, if you are considering a slightly used one, consider buying in the winter months (Dec, Jan & Feb) may get you a bit more discount.



Yeah I'm in the GTA. Somehow I forgot about the 911 even though I've always loved that car. PM sent.

[mr_raider]

The CTS V is considerable price performance value IMHO. Plus, if long term ownership is your plan, maintenance is far cheaper since Caddy offers 4 year free maintenance, and a better warranty than BMW. Parts are shared with many other cars like chevy trucks, so that should keep costs down. You don't get the prestige factor of owning a high end German car, but you get to drive around with one of the greatest V8s ever made.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/comparison/2013-bmw-m5-vs.-2012-cadillac-cts-v

[Heero01]

Heero01, 23 and 80k/year. I don't really have many other expenses at the moment, so I'm hoping I can afford these. :x

Jon04CTS suggested that the CTS-V Coupe would be the best in terms of price/performance, so I'm kind of torn between that and the M5 right now. I drove a friend's M5 once and I loved it. I'll test drive the CTS-V and see how it compares.

I looked at the BRZ as well. It's an awesome car, but I wanted something a little bigger.

Wow... very nice. I can only hope I can make 80k when I'm your age lol... not likely tho. Have fun with your car!

TBH... I would buy the M5. There is just this feeling you get driving that car... its amazing. When people see the M5 they say "WOW". No one really cares/knows what the CTS is.



plz tell me how you can afford a 32k car as a "student" paying tuition

ready............ go.



You'd be surprised. A fellow student in my Multivariable Calculus class was driving a 2007 335i.

Most likely it's either
a) Parents help pay a portion
b) Student loan w/ some parent assistance
c) You saved up for a long time but will be graduating from university/college late because of it
d) Drug dealer on the side

Pretty much this... My parents are basicly financing the taxes on the car for me and I make payments to them. I know it would be cheaper for them to just buy it and I pay to avoid interest, but me and my dad don't get alot.

I have been working since I was VERY young on cash jobs + I worked graveyard shift at a gas station for cash for a while. Not to mention coop.

Stop being so ignorant.



I don't really want to say it, but because your car choices are all over the map, you don't really sound like you are an enthusiast. Most of us know with a given budget what we would get immediately and you don't seem to have a clue. With your last comment in the original post, I would think that you are out to impress people other than yourself.


So? Whats your point? There is NOTHING wrong with buying a car to "show off". At least hes paying for it him self AT 23! I see asian kids at waterloo driving M3s, etc that are paid for by their parents. TELL THEM not to show off befor you dare tell this dude.

[iownyou]

I don't really want to say it, but because your car choices are all over the map, you don't really sound like you are an enthusiast. Most of us know with a given budget what we would get immediately and you don't seem to have a clue. With your last comment in the original post, I would think that you are out to impress people other than yourself.

The only reason why I mention this is so that if this is the case, don't financially burden yourself to impress others. If you like something and can afford it with the money that is left over from your RRSP contributions, your non RRSP contributions, your personal savings, your investments, and the cash you keep on hand for just in case moments, by all means go ahead. Drive them and don't let anybody else tell you what to get in terms of performance, but do a lot of checking into reliability/cost.

I had a used car that had a 6K brake booster that liked to malfunction. I sold it within a year of finding that out and a year later the part went. Lucky I heard the issue from a mechanic friend.

I always laugh when I see someone asking about cars but they get RRSP advice instead......

[calgaryforsale]

If you can drive stick get the CTS-V because it's the only one that comes with a stick. If you can't drive a stick buy a 3 year old Dodge Caravan because it will be exactly the same in stop and go traffic but a lot more useful for carrying stuff.

[AudiDude]

So? Whats your point? There is NOTHING wrong with buying a car to "show off". At least hes paying for it him self AT 23! I see asian kids at waterloo driving M3s, etc that are paid for by their parents. TELL THEM not to show off befor you dare tell this dude.

There is TONS wrong with buying a car to show off. Obviously you want to people to think that you are important. Imagine when you are trying to impress someone (who is an enthusiast) with your toys you know nothing about or care about. When people are hiring they are looking for common ground between you and them. Imagine the first thought when I look out the window at your BMW and say "Nice F10 you've got" and you say "what is an F10". Next candidate, take your Rolex submariner and leave please...

You can't buy respect and you know some of the people are trying and some of the people who can afford it, just can and they'll never notice you trying.

I'm sorry but since when did paying for your car by yourself at 23 become worthy of a trophy? I bought my car at 17 and my parents got mad because they thought a neighbour left a sports car in our driveway. They weren't paying, so I didn't ask.

A clean off lease car leaves tons of cash in your pockets and when the "newness" of the car wears off you are in the same position as if you bought new. There are people that go into Pfaff every year and buy a new car and take a bath returning a year old car because they have the cash and don't care. For the money you save, you could have the year old car restored to like new condition and still have cash to boot.

Also, when it comes to buying new, its only new until you drive it off the lot. Then its used. As soon as they do a model change, then it is old. So if the gen 4 came out and I have a gen 3 and you have a gen 2, we are both in the same boat. The is no consolation prize for owning the "newer" old car...


I always laugh when I see someone asking about cars but they get RRSP advice instead......

I always laugh when people buy their first expensive car and make payments and realize a few months later they aren't as enamored anymore but now committed to payments. If you saved some money from 23-35 for yourself, you could make enough money in compound for your retirement than someone socking away 2 times that from 45 and up. People get used to spending and never stop even when they can't afford it.

I have to laugh when with all the financial burden they place on themselves a married couple can only afford to put 5K a year for their retirement. I paid for my first car with investments.

[mehsham]

M5 hands downs.. comes with 600 something horsepower.. easily tunable to about 700 but all of it comes with a price tag.. a hefty one too...

[Kunman]

M5 hands downs.. comes with 600 something horsepower.. easily tunable to about 700 but all of it comes with a price tag.. a hefty one too...

lol....

should just do a 2 j z swap instead

[iownyou]

There is TONS wrong with buying a car to show off. Obviously you want to people to think that you are important. Imagine when you are trying to impress someone (who is an enthusiast) with your toys you know nothing about or care about. When people are hiring they are looking for common ground between you and them. Imagine the first thought when I look out the window at your BMW and say "Nice F10 you've got" and you say "what is an F10". Next candidate, take your Rolex submariner and leave please...

You can't buy respect and you know some of the people are trying and some of the people who can afford it, just can and they'll never notice you trying.

I'm sorry but since when did paying for your car by yourself at 23 become worthy of a trophy? I bought my car at 17 and my parents got mad because they thought a neighbour left a sports car in our driveway. They weren't paying, so I didn't ask.

A clean off lease car leaves tons of cash in your pockets and when the "newness" of the car wears off you are in the same position as if you bought new. There are people that go into Pfaff every year and buy a new car and take a bath returning a year old car because they have the cash and don't care. For the money you save, you could have the year old car restored to like new condition and still have cash to boot.

Also, when it comes to buying new, its only new until you drive it off the lot. Then its used. As soon as they do a model change, then it is old. So if the gen 4 came out and I have a gen 3 and you have a gen 2, we are both in the same boat. The is no consolation prize for owning the "newer" old car...



I always laugh when people buy their first expensive car and make payments and realize a few months later they aren't as enamored anymore but now committed to payments. If you saved some money from 23-35 for yourself, you could make enough money in compound for your retirement than someone socking away 2 times that from 45 and up. People get used to spending and never stop even when they can't afford it.

I have to laugh when with all the financial burden they place on themselves a married couple can only afford to put 5K a year for their retirement. I paid for my first car with investments.

You are passing a lot of judgement in your post....and you keep mentioning how you invested wisely.... Sounds like you are trying hard you impress.......

You don't have to be an expert/enthusiast to enjoy a nice car.... A car could be a joy or simply a tool for someone.. Tones of ppl choose a car for its looks or interior alone...
I don't have to know what a f10 is to drive a bmw, if you know it maybe you could educate me instead of being condesending.....

Worry less about others, it's none of your business :facepalm:

[AudiDude]

You are passing a lot of judgement in your post....and you keep mentioning how you invested wisely.... Sounds like you are trying hard you impress.......

You don't have to be an expert/enthusiast to enjoy a nice car.... A car could be a joy or simply a tool for someone.. Tones of ppl choose a car for its looks or interior alone...
I don't have to know what a f10 is to drive a bmw, if you know it maybe you could educate me instead of being condesending.....

Worry less about others, it's none of your business :facepalm:

You are passing judgement. I didn't do anything but offer advice and you don't have to take it. Look at your response. It is about the topic or about pissing on some elses comments? You don't have to be an expert/enthusiast to enjoy a car, so that is why I told the OP to try the cars and buy what he likes. But to buy a car just on the perception of what you think it should be like or what others think is a road to nowhere. It is clear from the wide spread list of options presented by the OP that he doesn't have a favourite other than knowing the cars are supposed to be luxury. So he needs to drive them and form his own opinion and take any suggestions with a grain of salt as people are talking about cars with apsects THEY admire. If the OP had a base he was familiar with and listed the attributes he liked, that would help narrow the suggestions.

If you want to know something, it doesn't help to be snotty in responses, just ask.

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/attachments/f10-m5-discussion/94904d1260886150-bmw-m5-f10-render-m5board-com-m5boardbmwf10m5.jpg

Worry less about what I say and give your two cents the the OP and move on.

[rafale6]

AudiDude, thanks again for the tips. You've given me more than just your two cents.


If you can drive stick get the CTS-V because it's the only one that comes with a stick. If you can't drive a stick buy a 3 year old Dodge Caravan because it will be exactly the same in stop and go traffic but a lot more useful for carrying stuff.

I love driving manual most of the time, but I find semi-automatics to be a little more convenient overall. I'm guessing the new CTS-V doesn't come with a semi-auto, huh?

[gilboman]

You're all over the map, RS5 is as c-lai as a 3 series and all the girly a4/a5's and its an audi, must worst than any toyota/lexus.

M5 is a grandpa car with the ugly interior to match and is really more of a cruiser than sportscar/sedan.

Jag is nice, but you'll look like you drove your dads car and if you don't like lexus/toyota, you are ok with a ford?

So drive the chevy/cts-v...atleast its not car of choice for asian moms and daughters like the audi, and you won't look like you took your dad/grandpa's car like with the M5/Xf

[oksir]

if you are serious about driving, and are young, and value your money, get the NISSAN GTR.
anyways, M5 is pretty much the best sedan rocket you can get. Of all the choices, i would go for M5 hands down.
However, if you wanna look more "bad ***** " get the GTR.

[qaz393]

c63 black or e63/cls63

[flyz]

R8.

[iHop]

You lost a lot of credibility when you said the ISF is " japenese Crap". Stop drinking the Top Gear Koolaid.

Audi S7.

/thread

[ichpen]

I have to say the V would be my choice. Still fairly rare (especially the coupe), parts are cheap compared to the imports and plenty of potential for performance growth. Can help you with that down the line :)

The warranty is solid, interior is miles better than before. Performance wise it'll zip by the Audis and the Jag, not sure about the M5 as I've not done much reading on it and few have volunteered any to me for a mild drive. None are bad cars that's for sure. GTR is out of your price range both in acquisition and maintenance so don't go there.

[Jon04CTS]

AudiDude, thanks again for the tips. You've given me more than just your two cents.



I love driving manual most of the time, but I find semi-automatics to be a little more convenient overall. I'm guessing the new CTS-V doesn't come with a semi-auto, huh?

You can get a 6 speed semi-auto.

[ultran00b]

Get the R8 or the GTR... ZZZ. I wish I was 23 or under and could justify buying or financing one of the cars mentioned.

[rafale6]

R8 and GTR are both out of my price range, I think.

I've decided on the CTS-V Coupe. Killer looks, amazing performance and lower ownership/maintenance costs. I'll drop by Old Mill GM some time this week and take it from there.

[Jon04CTS]

I've decided on the CTS-V Coupe. Killer looks, amazing performance and lower ownership/maintenance costs. I'll drop by Old Mill GM some time this week and take it from there.

Congrats. Great choice! Let me know if you have any questions about the car.

[ultran00b]

r8 and gtr are both out of my price range, i think.

I've decided on the cts-v coupe. Killer looks, amazing performance and lower ownership/maintenance costs. I'll drop by old mill gm some time this week and take it from there.

y u no m5????? :(

[BluePhirePB]

You lost a lot of credibility when you said the ISF is " japenese Crap". Stop drinking the Top Gear Koolaid. +1

[vdubber]

OP...if you dont mind me asking (im sure everyone wants to know) what you do for a living?

[iownyou]

OP...if you dont mind me asking (im sure everyone wants to know) what you do for a living?

This question comes up so frequently these days.... not sure why.....
is it for your career planning?? if so, it might be worth to ask... but i think you can be successful in any field....

or you just want to know whether OP is leeching off his parents.... in that case, he's going to need put on a flame suit......

[Heero01]

This question comes up so frequently these days.... not sure why.....
is it for your career planning?? if so, it might be worth to ask... but i think you can be successful in any field....

or you just want to know whether OP is leeching off his parents.... in that case, he's going to need put on a flame suit......

I don't know any 23 year olds making 80k so I'm curious lol.

[yummie]

R8 and GTR are both out of my price range, I think.

I've decided on the CTS-V Coupe. Killer looks, amazing performance and lower ownership/maintenance costs. I'll drop by Old Mill GM some time this week and take it from there.

Just saw the Coupe up here in Woodridge today...Rare and beautiful..Always liked the V...Its cool that you realized the maintenance side of ownership. I have 2 friends who both have the 5 series that don't know sht about there cars and are always crying when it comes to maintenance..

[booblehead]

Maybe OP has his own business that is doing well. He may have worked hard enough to earn his $ and now he is looking for a fun / high end performance car to enjoy.

For example, Allen of Simply Tires is certainly young and now he is reaping his reward after many years of builing up his reputation in the GTA tires/wheels market.

[rafale6]

Yes, I've got my own business, and no, I don't leach off my parents.

I don't mind being asked such questions. Nothing wrong with being curious.

[oksir]

young business man should get porsche.

[vdubber]

I'm considering applying for a coop position at RIM and have been doing some research on how it's like to work there. Everything seems good so far, but I can't find any info on what the hours are like. I'll be applying for a software development position at either Waterloo or Mississauga. Are the hours fixed from 9 to 5 or do they offer a little flexibility (i.e. coming before or after 9, etc)?

knew i smelled cow sh1t

[Jon04CTS]

knew i smelled cow sh1t

Uh I work for a company and have been running my own business for 6 years now. In fact I had 2 small businesses while I was going to university full-time, and traveled across Canada for my part-time job.

Just because he's dong co-op somewhere doesn't mean he can't have his own business.

[iownyou]

knew i smelled cow sh1t

Just admit that u r jelly

[rafale6]

I'm not doing a co-op at RIM.

Why the sudden interest in my career? If anyone is envious of me for whatever reason, then don't be. I've worked hard to get to where I am.


young business man should get porsche.

Low maintenance costs was one of the important factors in making this decision. Wouldn't that rule out Porsche right away?

[forthewinwin]

I don't know any 23 year olds making 80k so I'm curious lol.

Unless you're a top grad. :lol:

But now reading the more recent posts, that's not the case.

[flyinggonzo]

Out of your list, I like either the M5 or CTV-V. But if I were your age, I'd get a smaller car in convertible trim.

[twboy1999]

who gives a crap what he does for a living

[adrenaline rush]

I'm not doing a co-op at RIM.

Why the sudden interest in my career? If anyone is envious of me for whatever reason, then don't be. I've worked hard to get to where I am.



Low maintenance costs was one of the important factors in making this decision. Wouldn't that rule out Porsche right away?

IMO, none of the cars you are looking at will have low maintenance costs - you can assume that the consumables for all of the cars listed will be quite pricey. Most will use synthetic oils (and lots of it), have fat tires that will wear quickly and cost quite a bit to replace, and items such as brake pads/rotors and, if applicable, clutches will be not cheap. Since you'll be getting them new, you will have warranty to back things up anyways (though of course, that doesn't include the consumables).

[booblehead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JrdR_0fBx0s


http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/at-the-garage/custom-built/2011-hennessey-cadillac-cts-v/

[Maymybonneliveforever]

who gives a crap what he does for a livingExactly, thank you!

rafale6;

Have you ever considered purchasing a car of your choice that is maybe one to two years old? It may help with your budget and financing maybe done through your local bank if needed. There are some really nice sports cars with less then 10k on them at around 25% off if not more. Do a search...

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Save for a place to live first? Or is that already budgeted?