Battle of the Compact SUV : In the market

[vdubber]

I've been doing a massive amount of research on this topic for a while...what has been a goal, will soon become a reality.
My wife and I are in the market for a new car and we are set on the compact SUV class.
the SUVs we are looking at are:

Volvo XC 60
Mercedes GLK 350
BMW X3
Audi Q5
VW Tiguan
Ford Edge

Brand new, these are all priced very similarly when equipped the same. We are looking to get into something 2010+ with financing through the dealership. does anyone own any of these that can share their experience with the car, maintanance, dealership relationships, warranty and so on?

[poedua]

I've been doing a massive amount of research on this topic for a while...what has been a goal, will soon become a reality.
My wife and I are in the market for a new car and we are set on the compact SUV class.
the SUVs we are looking at are:

Volvo XC 60
Mercedes GLK 350
BMW X3
Audi Q5
VW Tiguan
Ford Edge

Brand new, these are all priced very similarly when equipped the same. We are looking to get into something 2010+ with financing through the dealership. does anyone own any of these that can share their experience with the car, maintanance, dealership relationships, warranty and so on?

With employee pricing, they're advertising a 2013 Ford Edge SEL FWD 3.5 V6 with leather, nav, pan sunroof, backup cam, MyFord Touch / Sync. etc. for $32,988...with haggling ...you can probably get it for even lower.

And, to save 10% more on gas, for about $800 more you can get the 2.0L Ecoboost 4cyl turbo engine....though you'd have to run some numbers to see if the payback makes sense for your particular driving habits.

Last I checked, the 2013's were supported by ads for 0%/36 months....( .99%/48 months) ......1.99%/60 months financing.

That said, the Edge is a mid sized SUV...Fords compact SUV is the new re-styled Escape for 2013....see below....

http://stwot.motortrend.com/files/2011/11/2013-Ford-Escape-front-view-623x389.jpg

[mingyang]

X3 will be the most fun to drive
Q5, GLK 350 least 2nd row space.

[spena]

Mercedes GLK 350
BMW X3
Audi Q5
Brand new..
OP have you looked into the Lexus RX350 (http://www.lexus.ca/lexus/experience/en/home/vehicles/rx/veh_group.jsp?series=rx)? Also if you decide to choose any of the luxury cars you mentioned, ensure you Do Not to fill it up with low octane gas as it may lead to problems in the future (in 5+ years).

Of that list I give the nudge to the Q5

[iownyou]

I've been doing a massive amount of research on this topic for a while...what has been a goal, will soon become a reality.
My wife and I are in the market for a new car and we are set on the compact SUV class.
the SUVs we are looking at are:

Volvo XC 60
Mercedes GLK 350
BMW X3
Audi Q5
VW Tiguan
Ford Edge

Brand new, these are all priced very similarly when equipped the same. We are looking to get into something 2010+ with financing through the dealership. does anyone own any of these that can share their experience with the car, maintanance, dealership relationships, warranty and so on?

really depends on what you are looking for....

I really like Audi Q5, because exterior/interior styling is more important to me...then comes fuel economy.... engine performance not that much.... that's why i'd go with 2.0T
however, there aren't any cash incentive... financing rate is quite high too.... it's a pain to negotiate w/ dealership....

X3 is fun to drive, 30i has great performance, wide screen nav display is a very nice touch.... interior is otherwise so so, don't really like the exterior

GLK/XC 60 looks bad IMO, never drove one....

Tiguan is not really luxury unless it's fully loaded...then it's quite expensive... might just go with Q5...

Ford Edge is priced well...

[mr_raider]

I've been doing a massive amount of research on this topic for a while...what has been a goal, will soon become a reality.
My wife and I are in the market for a new car and we are set on the compact SUV class.
the SUVs we are looking at are:

Volvo XC 60
Mercedes GLK 350
BMW X3
Audi Q5
VW Tiguan
Ford Edge

Brand new, these are all priced very similarly when equipped the same. We are looking to get into something 2010+ with financing through the dealership. does anyone own any of these that can share their experience with the car, maintanance, dealership relationships, warranty and so on?

The edge should be the cheapest.

[mingyang]

really depends on what you are looking for....

I really like Audi Q5, because exterior/interior styling is more important to me...then comes fuel economy.... engine performance not that much.... that's why i'd go with 2.0T
however, there aren't any cash incentive... financing rate is quite high too.... it's a pain to negotiate w/ dealership....

X3 is fun to drive, 30i has great performance, wide screen nav display is a very nice touch.... interior is otherwise so so, don't really like the exterior

GLK/XC 60 looks bad IMO, never drove one....

Tiguan is not really luxury unless it's fully loaded...then it's quite expensive... might just go with Q5...

Ford Edge is priced well...

BMW 2011 onwards are 28i and 35i, the fact that Q5 is on his list, shouldn't even consider any 2010 X3

[zzz3]

OP have you looked into the Lexus RX350 (http://www.lexus.ca/lexus/experience/en/home/vehicles/rx/veh_group.jsp?series=rx)? Also if you decide to choose any of the luxury cars you mentioned, ensure you Do Not to fill it up with low octane gas as it may lead to problems in the future (in 5+ years).

Of that list I give the nudge to the Q5

Rx350 is garbage (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/official-why-you-shouldnt-buy-rental-car-discussion-1208637/). Can't even clear a median.

[SoroSuub1]

RX350 is also a mid-size and not a compact CUV.

[BluePhirePB]

Rx350 is garbage (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/official-why-you-shouldnt-buy-rental-car-discussion-1208637/). Can't even clear a median.Inability to clear a median (a dramatically asymmetrically inclined one) = garbage? Please list all the cars that aren't garbage based on this sole criteria.

[zzz3]

Inability to clear a median (a dramatically asymmetrically inclined one) = garbage? Please list all the cars that aren't garbage based on this sole criteria.

no locking differentials/torque vectoring no care.

[phil17]

you definately need to drive all of them but i can speak for 2 of the cars here. I currently own a 2010 GLK and on Saturday test drove the 2012 XC60. Having lived with the GLK for almost 3 years now, the only con is the size of the car. The backseat's/trunk is prob the smallest in its class (Tiguan's smaller but not in the same class). Everything else is top notch as the level of attention to detail on the Mercedes is unmatched. You do have to pay to play, maint costs are kinda high as an A service will cost about $300 and a B service $600 (they rotate each year)

I have been looking for something slightly bigger and the XC60 is the "right size". it does everything well but some of the trim/pieces feels kind of cheap. I pay lots of attention to detail so little things like a sun visor that don't extend etc bothers me. Despite the small Con's, Volvo and Mercedes tends to design cars that are truely safe while other's design cars to do well in controlled govt tests. I may just keep the GLK longer and maybe the next gen will be larger or move up to a M class.

Safety is the #1 on my list followed by refinement (quietness etc) so I don't really shop other brands anymore for my family. Other's might put more weight on sportiness (BMW) or ext design (Audi). Good luck with your search. It's fun to hear other's opinion but at the end of the day, only you/wife can decide on what fits. I'm sure they're all fine cars :)

[vdubber]

the reason i have chosen these vehicle is that they all appeal to me in different ways.
the first thing anyone thinks about a car, is the way it looks. all these asthetically appeal to me more or less, stating with the GLK most appealing, and then the edge, volvo, audi, vw, and x3 last.
then i look at value, what do i get for the price. the edge comes with tons of options for a good price, then the glk. as this will be my first "big" purchase, i want it to be equipped well...not over the top, but enjoyable. (4x4/AWD, leather, panoramic roof, HID, heated seats). im not too crazy on performance..would prefer a 6cyl, but am willing to entertain a forced 4 banger. fuel efficiancy isnt a big concern for me.

so far the 2 on the top of my list are the edge and the glk. i know they are both different size and class of vehicles, but i love that the edge is bigger and doesnt require primo gas. but i hate that its a ford and as soon as i take it off the lot, it looses so much value. and ive always questioned fords reliability

the glk is a benz..self explanitory. its luxurious and it makes a statment.

[mingyang]

glk 350 is not luxurious and their v6 is worst than x3 v4 28i

[spena]

so far the 2 on the top of my list are the edge and the glk. i know they are both different size and class of vehicles, but i love that the edge is bigger and doesnt require primo gas. but i hate that its a ford and as soon as i take it off the lot, it looses so much value. and ive always questioned fords reliability

the glk is a benz..self explanitory. its luxurious and it makes a statment.

I believe you already made your decision. what does your wife say?

[hdom]

...the glk is a benz..self explanitory. its luxurious and it makes a statment.

Hum... if resell value is a concern you may want to keep looking, from what I understand the Benz wouldn't fair much better.

If you like the Edge, may be Lincoln MKX is a better choice for you.

[gilboman]

Rx350 is garbage (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/official-why-you-shouldnt-buy-rental-car-discussion-1208637/). Can't even clear a median.

like a X3 or tiguan would? So your assertion that the RX is garbage is because it won't clear a median? interesting criteria you have. Do you go all day jumping medians?

[gilboman]

the GLK is pretty bad, the engine and transmission looks good on paper, but go actually drive it and the power is not there, refinement is missing, interior is a bit dated and low rent, but it's the cheapest benz you can get with a V6 and 4matic.

It's bargain basement to get into MB, and if you care about name/badge, it's a good deal. As a car/suv, it's pretty horrid compared to others in its class.

[BluePhirePB]

no locking differentials/torque vectoring no care.Note to self, look for car with locking differentials/torque vectoring.

I've also filled out the proper paperwork:

http://i48.tinypic.com/2h5prlv.jpg

[vdubber]

Hum... if resell value is a concern you may want to keep looking, from what I understand the Benz wouldn't fair much better.

If you like the Edge, may be Lincoln MKX is a better choice for you.
resale value isnt that big of a concern, thats why ford is up on my list, i mentioned it because it plays a small factor


the GLK is pretty bad, the engine and transmission looks good on paper, but go actually drive it and the power is not there, refinement is missing, interior is a bit dated and low rent, but it's the cheapest benz you can get with a V6 and 4matic.

It's bargain basement to get into MB, and if you care about name/badge, it's a good deal. As a car/suv, it's pretty horrid compared to others in its class.

power? if i wanted power i would get a sports car. i dont care about power. the more power i have the easier i would get in trouble. lets face it, we (most of us) live in a metropolitan city with lots of traffic. anyone who needs "power" on the streets is a moron.

and explain how the interior is dated and low rent?

[mr_raider]

no locking differentials/torque vectoring no care.

Who gives a rat's behind. CUVs today are the station wagons of the 70s and 80s. They all people and cargo to the mall. Most are sold FWD versions anyway.

[vdubber]

http://image.trucktrend.com/f/31948718+w750+st0/2012-volvo-xc60-dash-view.jpg

http://www.meclas.com/images/2011/09/26/6869/2012-mercedes-benz-glk-class-glk350-4matic_4.jpg

http://image.trucktrend.com/f/39109063+w750+st0/2013-Audi-Q5-cockpit.jpg

http://image.motortrend.com/f/31647581+w786+ar1/2012-volkswagen-tiguan-dash-interior.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2010/10/2011fordedgereviewlead11.jpg

http://www.bestcarsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/2012-BMW-X3-interior-design.jpg

the best interior imo is the volvo, followed by edge, glk, audi, bmw, vw
volvo is also the most expensive out of the bunch

[BluePhirePB]

Volvo is probably also least common on the road.

[vdubber]

Volvo is probably also least common on the road.

with this i totally agree, but i think that has alot to do with the price range being $3-4500 more than the comparable.

as far as road presence goes, the GLK stands out more than any of the rest

[Jon04CTS]

Absolutely hate that center console on the Volvo. SO much dead space. The console is quite wide, but they don't use that space. They stick 4 knobs there then a bunch of buttons.

Out of those choices the Edge easily has the best looking interior IMO.

[MS MSP]

I like the Audi interior best.

To each his/her own

[Badman]

go with the audi or BMW. Test drive both and decide

[gr33dy]

Hey, if u like the Ford Edge, have u considered the Nissan Murano or the Infiniti FX? They make good deals too. U can get a fully loaded Murano for the price of the GLK and i think nissan/infiniti make reliable cars

[vdubber]

took the GLK for a test drive last night. drove a 2010 with the premium package. first impressions were that my wife was a little squished in the back, but shes 5'11".
front leg, hip, and head room were very generous. the rear head room was also generous, as the rear bench is sunken down.
the salesperson had me take it for a spirited drive around some "S" turns with train tracks, and the glk handled suprisingly well given the road conditions. haveing 20" wheels, i hardly felt any major bumps. very very slight body roll @ 60km/h on a fairly sharp turn. acceleration was a little poor, but this has never been a selling point. only down falls was the rear leg room exiting the vehicle. even though i have had rear seat passengers only a dozen times in years, it kinda bothers me. another thing was lack of ipod hook up...arent these things standard yet? other than that it was well equipped with power memory seats, power lift gate, panoramic sun-roofs, HID, 20"s, proximity sensors...
he discounted my price right off the bat by 2500 with out me even asking.

i will try and go for a drive with the edge today and see if i can make a direct comparisson

[poedua]

so far the 2 on the top of my list are the edge and the glk. i know they are both different size and class of vehicles, but i love that the edge is bigger and doesnt require primo gas. but i hate that its a ford and as soon as i take it off the lot, it looses so much value. and ive always questioned fords reliability

the glk is a benz..self explanitory. its luxurious and it makes a statment.

Actually, according to the most recent ALG Depreciation Ratings, a MB GLK will depreciate about the same as an Edge will - both have 3 star ALG Depreciation Ratings ( in fact, the X3, XC60 & the Q5 all have a 3 star rating as well ).

The Tiquan is even worse with a 2 star rating.

[poedua]

Volvo is probably also least common on the road.

+1

Sales YTD June 2012 in Canada ....

Edge....................17,425
Volvo XC 60.............1,034

[poedua]

with this i totally agree, but i think that has alot to do with the price range being $3-4500 more than the comparable.

as far as road presence goes, the GLK stands out more than any of the rest

What do you mean by " road presence " of a GLK exactly ?

Cause as far as ' exterior styling ' goes, it comes across as a pretty damn ugly looking vehicle IMHO....looks like a garden shed on wheels ! :lol::lol::lol:

[vdubber]

Hey, if u like the Ford Edge, have u considered the Nissan Murano or the Infiniti FX? They make good deals too. U can get a fully loaded Murano for the price of the GLK and i think nissan/infiniti make reliable cars

I think that the Murano is one of the ugliest SUVs out there. and the FX is about $10-15,000 more than any of the other suvs similarly equipped

[poedua]

took the GLK for a test drive last night. drove a 2010 with the premium package. first impressions were that my wife was a little squished in the back, but shes 5'11".

i will try and go for a drive with the edge today and see if i can make a direct comparisson

May want to roughly ballpark some ' total cost of ownership ' estimate numbers between an Edge and GLK as well ....

2011 GLK...

http://www.automobilemag.com/am/2011/mercedes_benz/glk_class/ownership_costs.html


2011 Edge.....

http://www.automobilemag.com/am/2011/ford/edge/ownership_costs.html

[poedua]

Absolutely hate that center console on the Volvo. SO much dead space. The console is quite wide, but they don't use that space. They stick 4 knobs there then a bunch of buttons.

Out of those choices the Edge easily has the best looking interior IMO.

+1

It's not even close.

[vdubber]

poedua... as you do have some valid points about depreciation and cost of ownership, it doesnt take a huge effect on my decision. you have to pay to play.
i dont really want to debate with you becuase i know you are a little bias since you are an Edge owner. each vehicle has its pros and cons, i just need to see what one comes on top.
styling comes down to the individual, I personally love the glk and the box-like shape.

after i drive the edge, we can talk further.

[spena]

May want to roughly ballpark some ' total cost of ownership ' estimate numbers between an Edge and GLK as well ....

2011 GLK...

http://www.automobilemag.com/am/2011/mercedes_benz/glk_class/ownership_costs.html


2011 Edge.....

http://www.automobilemag.com/am/2011/ford/edge/ownership_costs.html

wow 2011 GLK has a Value Rating of Poor. well that's a surprise

[vdubber]

wow 2011 GLK has a Value Rating of Poor. well that's a surprise

what do they base the value rating on? total cost of ownership?

[phil17]

what do they base the value rating on? total cost of ownership?

Hey vdubber, if you're planning to have kids in the near future then the GLK's size might become an issue with booster seat etc. That's my primary reason of looking at the xc60. As far as styling, GLK wins hands down over the jellybean style of everything else on the market.

Not sure what's the deal is with int complaints because EVERY surface is soft touch in the car. even the black buttons are coated and have the exact same "travel" to press (attention to detail). Go drive the edge and touch around. you'll feel the diff between painted silver plastic vs the real deal.

at the end of the day remember you get what you pay for. there's really no shortcut to building a good car. the benz has a low "starting price" but after i added the things i wanted i remember it was close to $60K on the road so the "value" part went out the window.

While you're checking out the other makes, keep an eye on the thickness of the doors. the benz is almost 1/3 thicker than anything else in the market. Might also want to check this out:

http://www.iihs.org/ratings/roof/detailsbyclass.aspx?50


have fun!

[vdubber]

Hey vdubber, if you're planning to have kids in the near future then the GLK's size might become an issue with booster seat etc. That's my primary reason of looking at the xc60. As far as styling, GLK wins hands down over the jellybean style of everything else on the market.

Not sure what's the deal is with int complaints because EVERY surface is soft touch in the car. even the black buttons are coated and have the exact same "travel" to press (attention to detail). Go drive the edge and touch around. you'll feel the diff between painted silver plastic vs the real deal.

at the end of the day remember you get what you pay for. there's really no shortcut to building a good car. the benz has a low "starting price" but after i added the things i wanted i remember it was close to $60K on the road so the "value" part went out the window.

While you're checking out the other makes, keep an eye on the thickness of the doors. the benz is almost 1/3 thicker than anything else in the market. Might also want to check this out:

http://www.iihs.org/ratings/roof/detailsbyclass.aspx?50


have fun!

i do fear about the booster seats in the future. i know they are getting bigger and bigger. we had difficulty fitting 2 seats in a XC90.

i cant really comment on interior finishes just yet.

i dont really agree with this whole value-shananighans. seems every compact premium SUV is rated poorly
benz, bmw, volvo are all below average, and audi and vw are poor

[bembol]

I like the Audi interior best.

To each his/her own

+1

Mercedes is up there too.

BMW almost looks as bad as VW/others. When will they change their Interiors. Then again, outside isn't looking good either especially their Sedans.

[poedua]

poedua... as you do have some valid points about depreciation and cost of ownership, it doesnt take a huge effect on my decision. .

Fair enough.

Then if depreciation and cost of ownership aren't big issues for you, what would you say ARE the TOP 3 issues / factors that you consider to be the most relevant ( i.e WILL have a " huge effect " ) in helping you arrive at a decision as to which vehicle to buy ?

[gilboman]

power? if i wanted power i would get a sports car. i dont care about power. the more power i have the easier i would get in trouble. lets face it, we (most of us) live in a metropolitan city with lots of traffic. anyone who needs "power" on the streets is a moron.

and explain how the interior is dated and low rent?

Power compared to other's in the class... those who need power are morons???? lol ..ok. How does your car merge? overtake? accelerate? I didn't mean power as in fast, power as in get out of it's own way. Why not just get a matrix wagon then?
I said it was good on paper, the car is appreciably slower than others with less power and gears in it's class was my point. It's heavy, and the 20" wheels were a big negative. A slow car with poor body control riding on 20" wheels for what? just styling and crazy tire replacement costs down the road?

Interior compared to others in it's class in materials and fit and finish. Felt like a low rent VW. It was good 3 years ago. I test drove it, was ready to buy, greatly underwhelmed with that thing. Even a Q5 is way better in every measure, and that's a lot coming from me. But again, it's a bargain for a MB 4matic and 6 cylinders.

[gilboman]

+1

Mercedes is up there too.

BMW almost looks as bad as VW/others. When will they change their Interiors. Then again, outside isn't looking good either especially their Sedans.

at least BMW has driving dynamics and enjoyment going for it, it's day and night driving a X3 vs the GLK

[poedua]

What about an Acura MDX ?

[vdubber]

Fair enough.

Then if depreciation and cost of ownership aren't big issues for you, what would you say ARE the TOP 3 issues / factors that you consider to be the most relevant in helping you arrive at a decision as to which vehicle to buy ?

aesthetics,reliability,comfort

[mingyang]

aesthetics and comfort are mostly personal preference, reliability - how you take care of it

[phil17]

Power compared to other's in the class... those who need power are morons???? lol ..ok. How does your car merge? overtake? accelerate? I didn't mean power as in fast, power as in get out of it's own way. Why not just get a matrix wagon then?
I said it was good on paper, the car is appreciably slower than others with less power and gears in it's class was my point. It's heavy, and the 20" wheels were a big negative. A slow car with poor body control riding on 20" wheels for what? just styling and crazy tire replacement costs down the road?

Interior compared to others in it's class in materials and fit and finish. Felt like a low rent VW. It was good 3 years ago. I test drove it, was ready to buy, greatly underwhelmed with that thing. Even a Q5 is way better in every measure, and that's a lot coming from me. But again, it's a bargain for a MB 4matic and 6 cylinders.


what did you end up getting Gilboman? just courious cause the xc60" felt" faster but the actual 0 to 60 is over a second slower than a GLK

[vdubber]

Power compared to other's in the class... those who need power are morons???? lol ..ok. How does your car merge? overtake? accelerate? I didn't mean power as in fast, power as in get out of it's own way. Why not just get a matrix wagon then?
I said it was good on paper, the car is appreciably slower than others with less power and gears in it's class was my point. It's heavy, and the 20" wheels were a big negative. A slow car with poor body control riding on 20" wheels for what? just styling and crazy tire replacement costs down the road?

Interior compared to others in it's class in materials and fit and finish. Felt like a low rent VW. It was good 3 years ago. I test drove it, was ready to buy, greatly underwhelmed with that thing. Even a Q5 is way better in every measure, and that's a lot coming from me. But again, it's a bargain for a MB 4matic and 6 cylinders.

you got me all wrong. i dont factor in power when i purchase a car. i plan to merge, over take, and accelerate the same as i go in my beat up 94 Golf, or any other small car on the roads. if you really need more power than that to over take or accelerate, then you arent driving right.

you speak about the glk being heavy? take a look at some numbers. glk is lighter than the edge, x3, q5, and xc60. thats even with the 20"s. btw the glk has better 0-100km/h times than x3 and q5. not that it matters

[mingyang]

you got me all wrong. i dont factor in power when i purchase a car. i plan to merge, over take, and accelerate the same as i go in my beat up 94 Golf, or any other small car on the roads. if you really need more power than that to over take or accelerate, then you arent driving right.

you speak about the glk being heavy? take a look at some numbers. glk is lighter than the edge, x3, q5, and xc60. thats even with the 20"s. btw the glk has better 0-100km/h times than x3 and q5. not that it matters

wtf? my x3 owns ur glk 350 0-100km/h. if you're comparing with the N20 engine, well thats V4 engine, they are quiet equivalent 0-100 and ur glk 350 will use 20-30% more gas
Fact: GLK 350 engine sucks and old

If you truly love glk 350, go for it, it's personal choice

[mtlrabbit]

aesthetics,reliability,comfort

Go SUBARU, test a 2013 3.6 limited outback with eyesight meet all your criteria, and if you like it, go USA. pay around $32000 and get a brand new 3.6R limited with real AWD, real comfort back seat.

[iownyou]

if you really want reliability, you have to go w/ lexus or acura..... definitely not german...

[iownyou]

you got me all wrong. i dont factor in power when i purchase a car. i plan to merge, over take, and accelerate the same as i go in my beat up 94 Golf, or any other small car on the roads. if you really need more power than that to over take or accelerate, then you arent driving right.

you speak about the glk being heavy? take a look at some numbers. glk is lighter than the edge, x3, q5, and xc60. thats even with the 20"s. btw the glk has better 0-100km/h times than x3 and q5. not that it matters

glk has better numbers on paper... but it's actually slower than BMW/Audi.....

[mcfrugal]

why would the Acura RDX not be on your list? way better value for money and resale value than most of the cars your list

[vdubber]

Go SUBARU, test a 2013 3.6 limited outback with eyesight meet all your criteria, and if you like it, go USA. pay around $32000 and get a brand new 3.6R limited with real AWD, real comfort back seat.
my dad owns a '13 tribeca...not a fan


if you really want reliability, you have to go w/ lexus or acura..... definitely not german...
ive never been a fan of the asian styling, not my cup of tea


glk has better numbers on paper... but it's actually slower than BMW/Audi.....



wtf? my x3 owns ur glk 350 0-100km/h. if you're comparing with the N20 engine, well thats V4 engine, they are quiet equivalent 0-100 and ur glk 350 will use 20-30% more gas
Fact: GLK 350 engine sucks and old

If you truly love glk 350, go for it, it's personal choice

dude, i could care less about performance 0-100. if i wanted a fast car i would get a fast car

FACT: the X3 is a little ***** car that looks like a turd on the road

[gilboman]

you got me all wrong. i dont factor in power when i purchase a car. i plan to merge, over take, and accelerate the same as i go in my beat up 94 Golf, or any other small car on the roads. if you really need more power than that to over take or accelerate, then you arent driving right.

you speak about the glk being heavy? take a look at some numbers. glk is lighter than the edge, x3, q5, and xc60. thats even with the 20"s. btw the glk has better 0-100km/h times than x3 and q5. not that it matters

it drives a lot worst than all those cars, it may be faster in a straightline.. I sincerely doubt the GLK is faster than an X3 or Q5..but it could be but it's so senile and numbing, but you are so numb from the entire experience, That's whats so bad about it, its lighter but drives heavier and more bulky than all those. REally poor driving dynamics, even by MB standards. The car just floats and rolls around, turn in is poor, so is response.

but if you are comparing it to a 94 GOLF, then even a Kia Rio will seem great I guess. If you set the bar that low, it'll be impossible for any car to fail. But I find it insanely weird that you couldn't immediately tell how poorly the GLK drove compared to the X3, Q5, Edge or XC.

[mingyang]

my dad owns a '13 tribeca...not a fan


ive never been a fan of the asian styling, not my cup of tea






dude, i could care less about performance 0-100. if i wanted a fast car i would get a fast car

FACT: the X3 is a little ***** car that looks like a turd on the road

LOL someone is mad, you said glk 350 is faster in 0-100, im just saying that you are wrong.

Opinion: GLK 350 looks like a box, is fugly, at least x3 has that aggressive look.
FACT: GLK 350 is the worst value for the dollar in that segment.


If you like it, go buy it, don't state your opinions as FACTs

[vdubber]

i didnt create a thread to argue what car is faster

i asked owners of what they like and dislike about their vehicles, and instead i got this (coming from a bmw owner)



glk 350 is not luxurious and their v6 is worst than x3 v4 28i


X3 will be the most fun to drive
Q5, GLK 350 least 2nd row space.


wtf? my x3 owns ur glk 350 0-100km/h. if you're comparing with the N20 engine, well thats V4 engine, they are quiet equivalent 0-100 and ur glk 350 will use 20-30% more gas
Fact: GLK 350 engine sucks and old

[mtlrabbit]

i didnt create a thread to argue what car is faster

i asked owners of what they like and dislike about their vehicles, and instead i got this (coming from a bmw owner)

I am in the same boat as you 4 months ago, I tested them all, if money is not a problem, I will choose loaded Q5 2.0T, that will reach $50000 before tax, same price range for X3, XC60 and GLK350, EDGE and Tiguan and outback will near $40000. I see you are talking about used German, so I guess the price should be same as brand new EDGE, Tiguan or Outback. I ends up go to USA and pay $32000 getting a 2012 Outback (no 13' tribuca exist) 3.6 limited with no NAV and no Moon roof. Here is what I think the advantage of Outback.
Beat Q5 for price, power, room
Beat X3 XC60 GLK for price, room, AWD system
Bear Tiguan for price,power, room, AWS system
Beat EDGE power, room, AWD system, fuel economy,handling.

I can't claim Subaru will beat them all for reliability, but brand history claims that. Here is what I don't like about my Subie.
1. Chasis not as solid as German.
2. Front seat short and lack thigh support.
3. Subaru Canada service crap.

[mingyang]

i didnt create a thread to argue what car is faster

i asked owners of what they like and dislike about their vehicles, and instead i got this (coming from a bmw owner)

fast is one thing, more fun to drive is another. i was not here to argue who's fast, I only mentioned it because you made a BS saying GLK350 was faster than X3 0-100, do I need to re-quote that for you?

[canadiankorean]

With employee pricing, they're advertising a 2013 Ford Edge SEL FWD 3.5 V6 with leather, nav, pan sunroof, backup cam, MyFord Touch / Sync. etc. for $32,988...with haggling ...you can probably get it for even lower.

And, to save 10% more on gas, for about $800 more you can get the 2.0L Ecoboost 4cyl turbo engine....though you'd have to run some numbers to see if the payback makes sense for your particular driving habits.

Last I checked, the 2013's were supported by ads for 0%/36 months....( .99%/48 months) ......1.99%/60 months financing.

That said, the Edge is a mid sized SUV...Fords compact SUV is the new re-styled Escape for 2013....see below....

http://stwot.motortrend.com/files/2011/11/2013-Ford-Escape-front-view-623x389.jpg

Just me or does that Escape remind you of the Aztek?
http://www.cchautoappearance.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Aztek.jpg

[iownyou]

I am in the same boat as you 4 months ago, I tested them all, if money is not a problem, I will choose loaded Q5 2.0T, that will reach $50000 before tax, same price range for X3, XC60 and GLK350, EDGE and Tiguan and outback will near $40000. I see you are talking about used German, so I guess the price should be same as brand new EDGE, Tiguan or Outback. I ends up go to USA and pay $32000 getting a 2012 Outback (no 13' tribuca exist) 3.6 limited with no NAV and no Moon roof. Here is what I think the advantage of Outback.
Beat Q5 for price, power, room
Beat X3 XC60 GLK for price, room, AWD system
Bear Tiguan for price,power, room, AWS system
Beat EDGE power, room, AWD system, fuel economy,handling.

I can't claim Subaru will beat them all for reliability, but brand history claims that. Here is what I don't like about my Subie.
1. Chasis not as solid as German.
2. Front seat short and lack thigh support.
3. Subaru Canada service crap.

I know what you are saying.... money is always a problem..... I'm still undecided... loaded Q5 2.0T come out 58000$ pre-tax for me.... but i really like it ~~~

[iownyou]

i have been seen quite a few Evoque on the road... anyone has any experience??

PS Q5 3.0T will be offered in a couple of month... if you want to test drive~~

[poedua]

Just me or does that Escape remind you of the Aztek?


Not even close....if anything, the new 2013 Escape reminds me of a CRV.

[mtlrabbit]

I know what you are saying.... money is always a problem..... I'm still undecided... loaded Q5 2.0T come out 58000$ pre-tax for me.... but i really like it ~~~

$58000 for a Q5 2.0T? You must be kidding. If I would have that much money, I would get a full loaded GTI with change to get a 2.5 outback for room and winter. Any of these FAKE SUVs have nothing to do with performance, the other alternative I would recommend to OP is Grand Cherokee, this one has good looking, MB ML foot print , good power, real off road ability if equipped right option.

[vdubber]

fast is one thing, more fun to drive is another. i was not here to argue who's fast, I only mentioned it because you made a BS saying GLK350 was faster than X3 0-100, do I need to re-quote that for you?
you dont need to re-quote it, i looked online and saw those stats, i wouldnt make it up. now i realize that information was incorrect .


I am in the same boat as you 4 months ago, I tested them all, if money is not a problem, I will choose loaded Q5 2.0T, that will reach $50000 before tax, same price range for X3, XC60 and GLK350, EDGE and Tiguan and outback will near $40000. I see you are talking about used German, so I guess the price should be same as brand new EDGE, Tiguan or Outback. I ends up go to USA and pay $32000 getting a 2012 Outback (no 13' tribuca exist) 3.6 limited with no NAV and no Moon roof. Here is what I think the advantage of Outback.
Beat Q5 for price, power, room
Beat X3 XC60 GLK for price, room, AWD system
Bear Tiguan for price,power, room, AWS system
Beat EDGE power, room, AWD system, fuel economy,handling.

I can't claim Subaru will beat them all for reliability, but brand history claims that. Here is what I don't like about my Subie.
1. Chasis not as solid as German.
2. Front seat short and lack thigh support.
3. Subaru Canada service crap.

thank you for the review. as much as i love subaru, ive never been keen on any other models other than the impreza/sti line up. suby has def. gone in the right direction with styling their cars, but as of not i am not attracted to them.


i have been seen quite a few Evoque on the road... anyone has any experience??

PS Q5 3.0T will be offered in a couple of month... if you want to test drive~~

the evoque isnt in the same category, a base model with a few options (leather/moon roof), the price is over $54K


r. Any of these FAKE SUVs have nothing to do with performance, the other alternative I would recommend to OP is Grand Cherokee, this one has good looking, MB ML foot print , good power, real off road ability if equipped right option.

allthough it could be a "fake SUV", were not here to argue about that. i have chosen a class of vehicles for a reason, first being price point.since brand new is out of the question for most of these vehicles, i am looking for 2010+. so far MB is offerign the best financing rate on 2010/2011 (2.9%/60)

[poedua]

allthough it could be a "fake SUV", were not here to argue about that. i have chosen a class of vehicles for a reason, first being price point.since brand new is out of the question for most of these vehicles, i am looking for 2010+. so far MB is offerign the best financing rate on 2010/2011 (2.9%/60)

FWIW...a nice ranking based on a ' review of the reviews ' from U.S. News on Compact Luxury SUVs for 2012...

http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/Luxury-Compact-SUVs/

[mtlrabbit]

looks like the most important thing for OP is look and brand, pls see motor trend's article for GLK:
http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/suv/112_0912_2010_sport_utility_of_the_year_contenders/2010_mercedes_benz_glk.html
OP is perfectly GLK's target customer, follow your heart and buy the GLK, here will be too many options and I believe very few people will point you to GLK.
Just remind you that GLK have winter start problem and very thirsty.

[poedua]

looks like the most important thing for OP is look and brand, pls see motor trend's article for GLK:
http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/suv/112_0912_2010_sport_utility_of_the_year_contenders/2010_mercedes_benz_glk.html
OP is perfectly GLK's target customer, follow your heart and buy the GLK, here will be too many options and I believe very few people will point you to GLK.
Just remind you that GLK have winter start problem and very thirsty.

It certainly appears that the OP is leaning in that direction - i.e going with the MB GLK.

[Little Tim]

$58000 for a Q5 2.0T? You must be kidding. If I would have that much money, I would get a full loaded GTI with change to get a 2.5 outback for room and winter. Any of these FAKE SUVs have nothing to do with performance, the other alternative I would recommend to OP is Grand Cherokee, this one has good looking, MB ML foot print , good power, real off road ability if equipped right option.

I like the Grand Cherokee, but I'm worried about its handling as has been documented on a few occasions already:

http://www.teknikensvarld.se/jeepmoosetest/

http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2012/07/jeep-grand-cherokee-fails-swedish-moose-test-lessons-for-us-consumers.html

Also, Chrysler (Jeep) is still not exactly famous for their reliability. Then again, if OP is leaning towards a GLK, reliability is obviously a moot point.

[phil17]

actually Mercedes is the one of the higher rated german makes in terms of reliability with BMW lower and Audi towards the bottom...(Chrysler at the bottom too). I wouldn't expect the GLK to be as reliable as the RDX or RX but it'll be fine. Most german certified used cars come with a decent warrentie too so it's really no big deal

[iownyou]

$58000 for a Q5 2.0T? You must be kidding. If I would have that much money, I would get a full loaded GTI with change to get a 2.5 outback for room and winter. Any of these FAKE SUVs have nothing to do with performance, the other alternative I would recommend to OP is Grand Cherokee, this one has good looking, MB ML foot print , good power, real off road ability if equipped right option.

Wow, aren't you a smart one !! Q5 is not a performance SUV, it's a crossover w/ turbo for fuel eco..... :facepalm:

[Little Tim]

actually Mercedes is the one of the higher rated german makes in terms of reliability with BMW lower and Audi towards the bottom...(Chrysler at the bottom too). I wouldn't expect the GLK to be as reliable as the RDX or RX but it'll be fine. Most german certified used cars come with a decent warrentie too so it's really no big deal

What is your source?

Take a look at this:

http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer

Now, mind you, Consumer Reports rates the GLK as average when it comes to predicted reliability, which is actually not bad compared to the M Class which has a horrendous reliability history.

[mtlrabbit]

Wow, aren't you a smart one !! Q5 is not a performance SUV, it's a crossover w/ turbo for fuel eco..... :facepalm:

I am not smart just poor guy, poor guy calculate things in different way: Q5 is a beautiful crossover, however, 3.6 outback is a real crossover, I test them back to back. Outback wins hands down for Power and Room, same quite. drink regular gas. The point is with $30000 still in my pocket, I have more smile in my face when meet your $58000 Q5.

[bluedcfive]

if you want a good sporty small SUV get the x3, it has the best driving experience out of the list, or the Audi. The GLK isn't an SUV, and barely a cross over at that and looks cheap compared to the Audi/BMW. New X3 with LED angel eyes, turbo 6 = win.

[Korozive]

I am not smart just poor guy, poor guy calculate things in different way: Q5 is a beautiful crossover, however, 3.6 outback is a real crossover, I test them back to back. Outback wins hands down for Power and Room, same quite. drink regular gas. The point is with $30000 still in my pocket, I have more smile in my face when meet your $58000 Q5.

LOL at comparing a Subaru with an Audi. It "win hands down" if your only 2 criteria are room and power.

Audi has one of the best interior IMO. Better than BMW by far, equal to MB.
Subaru probably has the worst interior since Ben Hur.

You need handling ? Audi
You need performance ? Audi
Good looking interior ? Audi
Reliability ? A... they both loose

Subaru are very practical. All the people I know who owns a subaru are the kind of people who always go camping, snowbording, hiking, etc.

You can't compare these 2 cars IMO, it's an apple vs orange. If you need a roomy car with awd but don't care about the interior, Subaru
If you wanna look like a baller and own a sporty good looking suv, get a Q5.

[mtlrabbit]

LOL at comparing a Subaru with an Audi. It "win hands down" if your only 2 criteria are room and power.

Audi has one of the best interior IMO. Better than BMW by far, equal to MB.
Subaru probably has the worst interior since Ben Hur.

You need handling ? Audi
You need performance ? Audi
Good looking interior ? Audi
Reliability ? A... they both loose

Subaru are very practical. All the people I know who owns a subaru are the kind of people who always go camping, snowbording, hiking, etc.

You can't compare these 2 cars IMO, it's an apple vs orange. If you need a roomy car with awd but don't care about the interior, Subaru
If you wanna look like a baller and own a sporty good looking suv, get a Q5.

As I said, poor guy has different calculation, for me, if I need performance, handling, Q5 will not on my list for sure. I do like Q5 than outback, but not worth extra $30000. That is my point.
Q5 do win a lot as you list, but you should read my words carefully: Outback wins hand down for power and room, not outback win Q5 hands down.

[DJ_Peanuts22]

Nothing wrong with buying a Subaru Outback at all if you don't care about the badge and all the LGs it gets you.

[Beradon]

Any news of a compact SUV Hybrid coming onto the market this year?

[poedua]

What is your source?

Take a look at this:

http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer

Now, mind you, Consumer Reports rates the GLK as average when it comes to predicted reliability, which is actually not bad compared to the M Class which has a horrendous reliability history.

And Audi ranked 29th out of 35 listed on that index.

And in terms of the Audi Q5 specifically, CR has it at the bottom of it's segment in terms of reliability - especially the V6 - which had CRs worst rating ...." much worse (139% ) than average "

[vdubber]

AUDI Q5 3.2L is the 3RD worst vehicle in reliability
http://www.primerates.com/the-least-reliable-cars-of-2012/

[spena]

Any news of a compact SUV Hybrid coming onto the market this year?

Not sure if the new RAV4 EV will come out this year but it uses Tesla's hybrid tech

[iownyou]

And Audi ranked 29th out of 35 listed on that index.

And in terms of the Audi Q5 specifically, CR has it at the bottom of it's segment in terms of reliability - especially the V6 - which had CRs worst rating ...." much worse (139% ) than average "

that's why you don't drive it to death... lease or resale after 4-5 years....

[phil17]

What is your source?

Take a look at this:

http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer

Now, mind you, Consumer Reports rates the GLK as average when it comes to predicted reliability, which is actually not bad compared to the M Class which has a horrendous reliability history.


I've actually never seen the source you posted which is interesting. I follow:

http://autos.jdpower.com/ratings/dependability.htm?study=909201235&catStudy=909201252

Or consumer reports which usually has Porsche near the top as suppose to the bottom on your survey. Regardless, there's been a huge inprovement in MB quality starting with the C class. I know my parent's previous E and S class in the early 2000's were terrible but my GLK's been good and parents S550's been trouble free as well (mind you they're relatively new cars).

It's a lot of hit and miss nowadays with global supply chains etc (plus a lot of ppl lease so reliability is less or an issue)

[phil17]

Any news of a compact SUV Hybrid coming onto the market this year?

Not a hybrid but isn't there going to be a Q5 hybrid? (can't imagin that being reliable, lol). There's going to be a GLK 250 bluetech which would be interesting...

[gilboman]

LOL at comparing a Subaru with an Audi. It "win hands down" if your only 2 criteria are room and power.

Audi has one of the best interior IMO. Better than BMW by far, equal to MB.
Subaru probably has the worst interior since Ben Hur.

You need handling ? Audi
You need performance ? Audi
Good looking interior ? Audi
Reliability ? A... they both loose

Subaru are very practical. All the people I know who owns a subaru are the kind of people who always go camping, snowbording, hiking, etc.

You can't compare these 2 cars IMO, it's an apple vs orange. If you need a roomy car with awd but don't care about the interior, Subaru
If you wanna look like a baller and own a sporty good looking suv, get a Q5.

Subaru has pretty damn good reliabilty..much much better than anything Audi could ever come out with

But LOL @ Baller in a Q5... it's a tarted up rebadged tiguan which itself is a tarted up golf. it's like triple rebadging. Besides... Audi doesn't have a single baller car...let alone it's lowest level rebadged VW crossover

LOL seriously..baller in an AUdi... Q5 at that hahahahhaa

[Little Tim]

Any news of a compact SUV Hybrid coming onto the market this year?

As another poster mentioned, there is supposed to be a Q5 hybrid coming very soon. Afretes (sp?) in the Audi thread will probably have more info. The Q5 is also supposed to come with the same TDi engine as the Q7 which would make it an absolute beast. However, this model has been postponed for now AFAIK. :(

The GLK Blutec would be very interesting. It's a smaller diesel engine that will still have more than enough torque to power a large vehicle, but should be very frugal. Too bad the GLK doesn't handle that well and has a lacklustre interior with a cramped backseat.


And Audi ranked 29th out of 35 listed on that index.

And in terms of the Audi Q5 specifically, CR has it at the bottom of it's segment in terms of reliability - especially the V6 - which had CRs worst rating ...." much worse (139% ) than average "

No argument about Audi reliability. I love Audi and VW cars, but I would never touch them with current reliability issues. As soon as they clean up that act, they will become more dominant than Toyota ever was. Their annual global sales numbers are already up there.



I've actually never seen the source you posted which is interesting. I follow:

http://autos.jdpower.com/ratings/dependability.htm?study=909201235&catStudy=909201252

Or consumer reports which usually has Porsche near the top as suppose to the bottom on your survey. Regardless, there's been a huge inprovement in MB quality starting with the C class. I know my parent's previous E and S class in the early 2000's were terrible but my GLK's been good and parents S550's been trouble free as well (mind you they're relatively new cars).

It's a lot of hit and miss nowadays with global supply chains etc (plus a lot of ppl lease so reliability is less or an issue)

I did notice that CR's ratings for C-class reliability were pretty good. I hadn't looked at it for a while, so that was a nice surprise. They only had two years of data, though, so we'll see how it performs in the long run. Mercedes used to have such a bullet proof reputation decades ago. My mom used to drive a 190 diesel back in the 60s. Looked something like this (before my time!):

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zp5hU5oekAI/SjKQ39bBfgI/AAAAAAAAAzM/v8eSY9jF968/s400/190+diesel+Mercedes+Benz.jpg

It was bulletproof, but eventually gave up the ghost in cold Norwegian winters. Diesels back then weren't made to handle those conditions.

The W123 series Mercedes produced in the 70s and 80s is a classic. Incredible reliability - you still see plenty of them on the road especially in some third world countries. I drove one for a little while. It was 20 years old at the time and served me without issues, except for the fact that it was completely rusted out!

http://www.imcdb.org/i062743.jpg

Anyway, that's enough threadjacking for now! :)

[iownyou]

Subaru has pretty damn good reliabilty..much much better than anything Audi could ever come out with

But LOL @ Baller in a Q5... it's a tarted up rebadged tiguan which itself is a tarted up golf. it's like triple rebadging. Besides... Audi doesn't have a single baller car...let alone it's lowest level rebadged VW crossover

LOL seriously..baller in an AUdi... Q5 at that hahahahhaa

of course it's rebadged... i dont see your point.... so are most vehicles out there (audi/porsche/vw, toyota/lexus, etc...)
why does each individual car need its own engine, chasis ....

subaru probably wishes to be rebadged into something luxurious...


and what's with all that baller business?? what happened to simple joy of having a toy?? you must be lacking self-esteem.... :facepalm:

[MS MSP]

The Q5 is NOT a rebadged Tiguan....it's bigger.


As another poster mentioned, there is supposed to be a Q5 hybrid coming very soon. Afretes (sp?) in the Audi thread will probably have more info. The Q5 is also supposed to come with the same TDi engine as the Q7 which would make it an absolute beast. However, this model has been postponed for now AFAIK. :(

The GLK Blutec would be very interesting. It's a smaller diesel engine that will still have more than enough torque to power a large vehicle, but should be very frugal. Too bad the GLK doesn't handle that well and has a lacklustre interior with a cramped backseat.


That's disappointing if true. I have drived the Touareg with that engine and the torque is intoxicating!

[Avalonboy]

vdubber seems to be quite interested in the glk, and phil17 may want to move up in size, maybe they could just work out a deal.

[phil17]

vdubber seems to be quite interested in the glk, and phil17 may want to move up in size, maybe they could just work out a deal.

lol, i though about it but i tend to keep my cars for 5/6 years. it just wouldn't be financially responsible for me at this time :) but i like where this thread has gone from craziness to posting real facts/data. at the end of the day the consumer wins with the choices we have on the market

[Beradon]

Not sure if the new RAV4 EV will come out this year but it uses Tesla's hybrid techUnfortunately after reading this (http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1078181_2012-toyota-rav4-ev-first-drive-of-tesla-powered-crossover):

"It's too bad that the RAV4 EV will only be sold in California as a "compliance car," in a limited run of just 2,600 over the next three model years."

I was disappointed but if anyone can come out with a better hybrid it'll be Toyota.



Not a hybrid but isn't there going to be a Q5 hybrid? (can't imagin that being reliable, lol). There's going to be a GLK 250 bluetech which would be interesting...Let's hope it'll come out this year. I usually wait a couple of years after a model release to let the manufacturer work out the bugs/recalls.

[Little Tim]

That's disappointing if true. I have drived the Touareg with that engine and the torque is intoxicating!

I read it in the Wheels section of the Star in Jim Kenzie's review of the refreshed Q5 (http://www.wheels.ca/reviews/audi-q5-reboot-suv-refresh-boosts-power-saves-fuel/) where he had a chat with the PR manager for Audi Canada who couldn't confirm when we would see a diesel Q5. I've read previously that they planned on using the 3.0 TDi engine, not sure if they will suddenly consider a different diesel for the Q5. I guess it's all up in the air for now. However, that article does seem to confirm that the hybrid model is just around the corner.

[stevethewheel]

Rx350 is garbage (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/official-why-you-shouldnt-buy-rental-car-discussion-1208637/). Can't even clear a median.

Failure to clear = station wagon not SUV.

Then again that was not a simple median.....

[zzz3]

http://s9.postimage.org/tswpsrnz1/Deal_with_it_dog.gif