Legal To Wear BulletProof Vest/Baton?

[Hitman21]

So I have been searching around but I cant find a definite answer on this, some people have told me yes while others have said no and I am confused.

Is it legal to wear a bulletproof vest and would police give me any trouble for wearing one? As well is it legal to carry a collapsible baton something similar to a cop/security guard would carry?

If the vest is legal I would like to get one for protection because I am always moving around

Any input would be appreciated

[UrbanPoet]

Lol... Woah Hitman... Are you a HItman?
The vest is legal, and wont get you in trouble.
But with that baton, you better think double!

Although the baton isn't illegal, carrying it would be.

[wilsonlam97]

The vest would never be a problem. It's not a weapon and/or a concealed weapon.

Not so sure about the baton though.

[Hitman21]

Lol... Woah Hitman... Are you a HItman?
The vest is legal, and wont get you in trouble.
But with that baton, you better think double!

Although the baton isn't illegal, carrying it would be.

No LOL, I am not an actual Hitman but I am asking about the vest because I would like one for protection purposes to keep me safe

[NorthYorker]

I would like one for protection purposes to keep me safeThose which actually protect you are pretty cumbersome and unsightly. Those less offensive do not provide any serious protection. Folks in action movies moan and btch about having to wear them for a reason, good ones are damn uncomfortable.

[UrbanPoet]

No LOL, I am not an actual Hitman but I am asking about the vest because I would like one for protection purposes to keep me safe

What is your fear?
Are you getting bullied?
Random criminals?
Is your neighbourhood THAT bad? To be honest... No neighbourhood is THAT bad in Toronto to warrant needing protection from firearms.... Unless of course you are involved in that lifestyle.

There are better ways to solve your problems. Perhaps if you let us know what you want to protect yourself against. Theres always way to make yourself street smart. You don't need a vest or a gun. although it would be nice!

[jaysfan4life]

I don't think it would be a problem.. I know of an indoor car wash that the employee wear Bp vests.

[Hitman21]

Those which actually protect you are pretty cumbersome and unsightly. Those less offensive do not provide any serious protection. Folks in action movies moan and btch about having to wear them for a reason, good ones are damn uncomfortable.

Even if its uncomfortable I am alright with it as long as it keeps me safe. I have worn them before while on the job but this would be for personal use whenever I am outside

[flashy_mcflash]

Make sure you get a vest in a shiny silver or chrome colour to match your tinfoil hat.

[Simaahoy]

Are you kidding me? Unless you live in Toronto (sarcasm) why would you need a vest for personal use?

[Hitman21]

Are you kidding me? Unless you live in Toronto (sarcasm) why would you need a vest for personal use?

Its really not anyone elses business but I have received some death threats, usually there just from people who dont like what I say but these are more serious so that's why I want the vest to protect myself

[Psubs]

Its really not anyone elses business but I have received some death threats, usually there just from people who dont like what I say but these are more serious so that's why I want the vest to protect myself

That's what you get for being a merc.

[Hitman21]

What is your fear?
Are you getting bullied?
Random criminals?
Is your neighbourhood THAT bad? To be honest... No neighbourhood is THAT bad in Toronto to warrant needing protection from firearms.... Unless of course you are involved in that lifestyle.

There are better ways to solve your problems. Perhaps if you let us know what you want to protect yourself against. Theres always way to make yourself street smart. You don't need a vest or a gun. although it would be nice!

I am not involved in a gang or that lifestyle but just for random criminals and mainly the death threats I have received

[nork]

I bet i am not the only one who would like to hear the whole story about the death threats and i bet you know pretty much why you are receiving them?

[Simaahoy]

I am not involved in a gang or that lifestyle but just for random criminals and mainly the death threats I have received

Did you contact the police over the threats? Was it over the internet? Buying a bullet proof vest is not the solution and may look suspicious to cops and other people.

[Muney]

You can carry around the baton if you want, nothing illegal about it. As soon as you use it against someone though, then it becomes a weapon and you can get in a whole lot of trouble with it.

No idea about the vest though, I dont see how it would be illegal though.

[flyinggonzo]

Here's is the wikipedia link regarding the legaility of wearing body armor (aka ballistic vest) in Canada.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_vest#Canada

However, I suspect the better made vests are controlled, and would be hard to buy. This shouldn't be a problem if you're just looking for a vest.

Here's a wikipedia link regarding the legality of having a baton. It's apparently legal to have most types of batons, but you cannot it have it concealed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baton_(law_enforcement)

[Royalsoldier]

I purchased a baton from the US a while ago and border agents confiscated it, so the store sent me another one and it came through.

I wore it for 1 year strapped to my belt when I worked at the front desk of an expensive hotel in a high-risk area (no longer work there).

Personally I could care less if it's legal/illegal - I'm not going to get stabbed during midnight shifts by a knife totting robber - our security guard was a 300lbs 75 year old man, so we were pretty much on our own.

[spintheblackcircle]

In on troll thread...

I can guarantee that if you're sporting a ballistic vest (especially showing externally) you will eventually be stopped by police. Either the police will see you or a member of the general public will feel concern and alert them. Like it or not it is "suspicious behavior" in our society regardless of the laws surrounding it. You at least have to admit that. When you are eventually stopped, just be polite, answer their questions, provide ID, and go from there. But as was mentioned, I'm sure you have already made a report with police...

Right?

Because you're not trolling...

[Heero01]

If you are being bullied in high school contact police, dont resort to buying an extendo. It is illegal and you will get charged. If at any time you tell the police it is for self defense they will charge you. You are NOT allowed to carry a weapon for self defense in Canada.

I would recommend a box cutter. if anyone asks what it is for, it's for cutting boxes and you left it in your pocket. But ofc... box cutter + bproof vest...

First off to buy a Bullet proof vest in Canada... forget about it LOL. if you are caught by border patrole trying to bring it into Canda... well you will have ALOT of explaining and they will not let you bring it into the country.

[Supercooled]

There is a guy on Youtube who wears a combat helmet and drives around town. He lives in NYC, land of paranoid schizo cops. Needless to say he gets pulled over quite often because he looks like a nut case about to go postal at any given time. Turns out he has real legitimate reasons because he's had brain surgery and any fall or trauma to his head can kill him. Anyway, you can wear a bomb suit if you want. If your life is in danger, you should let the police do their job and protect you. Witness program or something.

[trixstar]

at this day and age, bulletproof vests are useless.. Games like counter-strike and such are teaching kids to aim at the head for extra points

[cliffclaven]

First off to buy a Bullet proof vest in Canada... forget about it LOL. if you are caught by border patrole trying to bring it into Canda... well you will have ALOT of explaining and they will not let you bring it into the country.

You could just make your own bulletproof vest. Buy a life preserver at crappy tire, take out the floaty stuff and fill it with cement! Fashionable too, the ladies will dig it, yo.

[Aznsilvrboy]

Obviously a troll post.

[zz000ter]

The probability of you getting shot is very very very low.
... unless of course you are a bad person that others are afraid of

[Krox]

http://www.miguelcaballero.com/cms/front_content.php

This store in Columbia sells fashionable bullet proof clothing. You have to think they must know their stuff. Since there is no prices on their website I can only imagine how expensive it must be. It would be a lot less noticeable than a typical bullet proof vest, although people might wonder why you are wearing the same shirt/coat every day/

[Simaahoy]

I am getting a bad vibe from this..

[rommelrommel]

If you are being bullied in high school contact police, dont resort to buying an extendo. It is illegal and you will get charged. If at any time you tell the police it is for self defense they will charge you. You are NOT allowed to carry a weapon for self defense in Canada.

I would recommend a box cutter. if anyone asks what it is for, it's for cutting boxes and you left it in your pocket. But ofc... box cutter + bproof vest...

First off to buy a Bullet proof vest in Canada... forget about it LOL. if you are caught by border patrole trying to bring it into Canda... well you will have ALOT of explaining and they will not let you bring it into the country.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Baton is completely legal.

If asked, maybe it's for defense against dogs? It's also legal to "conceal" it. It's no different from pepper spray. It's a tool. If your intent is to spray someone in the face with it, it's a weapon. If your intent is to protect yourself from animals, it's a tool and legal. If while carrying it for animals some nut tries to kill you, you're legally allowed to use any means to defend your life, even if it would otherwise be an offense.

Secondly, it's dead easy to buy a bullet resistant/ballistic vest in Canada. (A level IIA vest is about the most you're going to want to wear daily and it will stop most commonly carried pistol rounds. Nothing short of heavy plates will stop rifle rounds. Also remember that vests intended for bullets aren't very effective against knives, and vice versa.) BC requires you to get a permit but it's not overly hard to obtain one. Unless something has changed recently it's uncontrolled in every other province. It's also quite easy to import.

[dragon_drift]

You don't need one unless you're in a gang.

[UrbanPoet]

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Baton is completely legal.

If asked, maybe it's for defense against dogs? It's also legal to "conceal" it. It's no different from pepper spray. It's a tool. If your intent is to spray someone in the face with it, it's a weapon. If your intent is to protect yourself from animals, it's a tool and legal. If while carrying it for animals some nut tries to kill you, you're legally allowed to use any means to defend your life, even if it would otherwise be an offense.

Secondly, it's dead easy to buy a bullet resistant/ballistic vest in Canada. (A level IIA vest is about the most you're going to want to wear daily and it will stop most commonly carried pistol rounds. Nothing short of heavy plates will stop rifle rounds. Also remember that vests intended for bullets aren't very effective against knives, and vice versa.) BC requires you to get a permit but it's not overly hard to obtain one. Unless something has changed recently it's uncontrolled in every other province. It's also quite easy to import.

Just because it is legal doesnt mean it won't attract attention. Plus e law can be interpretted it as illegal.
Carrying a shotgun in full view is also legal! Doesnt mean you should do it...

[Heero01]

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Baton is completely legal.

If asked, maybe it's for defense against dogs? It's also legal to "conceal" it. It's no different from pepper spray. It's a tool. If your intent is to spray someone in the face with it, it's a weapon. If your intent is to protect yourself from animals, it's a tool and legal. If while carrying it for animals some nut tries to kill you, you're legally allowed to use any means to defend your life, even if it would otherwise be an offense.

Secondly, it's dead easy to buy a bullet resistant/ballistic vest in Canada. (A level IIA vest is about the most you're going to want to wear daily and it will stop most commonly carried pistol rounds. Nothing short of heavy plates will stop rifle rounds. Also remember that vests intended for bullets aren't very effective against knives, and vice versa.) BC requires you to get a permit but it's not overly hard to obtain one. Unless something has changed recently it's uncontrolled in every other province. It's also quite easy to import.

Try telling a cop that the baton is for defense against dogs :facepalm: Whats the point in carrying a baton - its MUCH more of a hassel and police will make a note of you carrying a baton in their local police notes. Again, no point for such a big hassel. If it is seriously for self defense why not carry a less risky box cutter?

& Yes... you can buy a bullet proof vest from places like army surplus store, but if the cops question you then you are in for alot of questions.

You don't need to wear a bp vest (even for anti-stabbing) unless you are a gang member (especially in Tdot or burbs).

Edit: Like I previously mentioned Hitman, if you are being bullied in school contact school admin or police.

[HTTP04]

Successful troll is successful

[stealth]

Op, I am very concerned for your safety.
A vest or baton really won't do much for ensuring your safety against a real threat.

Have you considered something like the PopeMobile?

[Hitman21]

If you are being bullied in high school contact police, dont resort to buying an extendo. It is illegal and you will get charged. If at any time you tell the police it is for self defense they will charge you. You are NOT allowed to carry a weapon for self defense in Canada.

I would recommend a box cutter. if anyone asks what it is for, it's for cutting boxes and you left it in your pocket. But ofc... box cutter + bproof vest...

First off to buy a Bullet proof vest in Canada... forget about it LOL. if you are caught by border patrole trying to bring it into Canda... well you will have ALOT of explaining and they will not let you bring it into the country.

I am not being bullied in high school its because I have received death threats, aren't there any stores in Canada that would sell it because you make a good point even if its legal customs would try to take it.


Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Baton is completely legal.

If asked, maybe it's for defense against dogs? It's also legal to "conceal" it. It's no different from pepper spray. It's a tool. If your intent is to spray someone in the face with it, it's a weapon. If your intent is to protect yourself from animals, it's a tool and legal. If while carrying it for animals some nut tries to kill you, you're legally allowed to use any means to defend your life, even if it would otherwise be an offense.

Secondly, it's dead easy to buy a bullet resistant/ballistic vest in Canada. (A level IIA vest is about the most you're going to want to wear daily and it will stop most commonly carried pistol rounds. Nothing short of heavy plates will stop rifle rounds. Also remember that vests intended for bullets aren't very effective against knives, and vice versa.) BC requires you to get a permit but it's not overly hard to obtain one. Unless something has changed recently it's uncontrolled in every other province. It's also quite easy to import.

So I am still confused if baton is legal or not because of different responses, would it be legal if I just left it at home and had it for self-defense? I am not too concerned about getting the baton, the vest is the priority.

As for the vest I am looking for something that will stop any kind of pistols because I dont need heavy plates for rifles. Also I would wear the vest under my clothes not on top

Also I have received death threats so this is why I want the vest because it will provide me with protection and peace of mind.

[Agafaba]

I am not being bullied in high school its because I have received death threats, aren't there any stores in Canada that would sell it because you make a good point even if its legal customs would try to take it.



So I am still confused if baton is legal or not because of different responses, would it be legal if I just left it at home and had it for self-defense? I am not too concerned about getting the baton, the vest is the priority.

As for the vest I am looking for something that will stop any kind of pistols because I dont need heavy plates for rifles. Also I would wear the vest under my clothes not on top

Also I have received death threats so this is why I want the vest because it will provide me with protection and peace of mind.

In Canada nothing is legal for self defence, as for simply having one at home its perfectly ok, as is carrying one around outside as long as its not hidden. I wouldnt take some of the advice here... cops are not so stupid that they would believe you were carrying a concealed baton as well as wearing a bullet proof vest so that you could protect yourself from stray dogs.

[Hitman21]

In Canada nothing is legal for self defence, as for simply having one at home its perfectly ok, as is carrying one around outside as long as its not hidden. I wouldnt take some of the advice here... cops are not so stupid that they would believe you were carrying a concealed baton as well as wearing a bullet proof vest so that you could protect yourself from stray dogs.


I suspected that the baton wouldn't be legal but its not as important as the vest, I really dont see how the vest could be illegal, majority seems to think its legal and most of the research I did suggests its legal as long as you dont use it in a crime.

[Peckerwood]

Vest is legal so long as you do not use it in the commission of an offense.

What size are you? I have a Level IIIA that I don't use anymore.

[Wing Nut]

When the OP stops posting we will all wonder if the hit was successful.

[ChinpokoMon]

A baton would be something similar to a machete - it's legality depends on what you're doing with it. It's perfectly legal to have it sitting at home. But if you carry it out, you may get in trouble with the law if it's treated as a weapon


“weapon” means any thing used, designed to be used or intended for use

(a) in causing death or injury to any person, or
(b) for the purpose of threatening or intimidating any person

If it's treated as a weapon, then you may be charged with

Possession of weapon for dangerous purpose
Carrying weapon while attending public meeting
Carrying concealed weapon

(see sec 88-90 (http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-42.html))

Is the machete/baton a tool or weapon? Are you carrying that machete just to do some yardwork? Is the baton for defense against feral dogs? Well that'd be something that you or your lawyer can argue in front of a judge. ;)

[Hitman21]

In on troll thread...

I can guarantee that if you're sporting a ballistic vest (especially showing externally) you will eventually be stopped by police. Either the police will see you or a member of the general public will feel concern and alert them. Like it or not it is "suspicious behavior" in our society regardless of the laws surrounding it. You at least have to admit that. When you are eventually stopped, just be polite, answer their questions, provide ID, and go from there. But as was mentioned, I'm sure you have already made a report with police...

Right?

Because you're not trolling...

I would definitely not wear the vest externally, that's just asking for trouble. It would be underneath and I would answer the cops questions. Yes I have already made a report with the police

[flashy_mcflash]

If the people making death threats are reading this, wouldn't they just go straight for the headshot now? You should look into some kind of face shield.

http://i.imgur.com/rUNFI.jpg

[rommelrommel]

Try telling a cop that the baton is for defense against dogs :facepalm: Whats the point in carrying a baton - its MUCH more of a hassel and police will make a note of you carrying a baton in their local police notes. Again, no point for such a big hassel. If it is seriously for self defense why not carry a less risky box cutter?

& Yes... you can buy a bullet proof vest from places like army surplus store, but if the cops question you then you are in for alot of questions.

You don't need to wear a bp vest (even for anti-stabbing) unless you are a gang member (especially in Tdot or burbs).

Edit: Like I previously mentioned Hitman, if you are being bullied in school contact school admin or police.

Yes, carry a box cutter cuz "I forgot it in my pockets" is MUCH more credible than "I carry it in case of dog attack." And who gives a crap about "being in the local police notes." If your life is in danger do what you need to do.

I wish I could just tell people to apply for an authorization to carry (a handgun) for protection of life, but unless you are connected or have many times over what RFD considers high net worth you won't get one.

[Hitman21]

Yes, carry a box cutter cuz "I forgot it in my pockets" is MUCH more credible than "I carry it in case of dog attack." And who gives a crap about "being in the local police notes." If your life is in danger do what you need to do.

I am not too worried about getting a baton, it seems illegal and the same for the box cutter

I wish I could just tell people to apply for an authorization to carry (a handgun) for protection of life, but unless you are connected or have many times over what RFD considers high net worth you won't get one.

I definitely dont belong into this category, I dont want a gun and it would cause a lot of hassle

[wilsonlam97]

Wear a bullet proof suit like Obama! Nobody would ever think it's a ballistic vest because it looks exactly like a normal suit. It's pretty light and great for daily use if you compare it to other ballistic vests.

[0xffff]

Sounds like mall security doesn't equip their trainees as well as they used to, so they're resorting to bringing their own from home. I suggest that OP invests in real personal protection that is standard south of the border. Get a segway, so you can flee quickly when you spot trouble ahead in the food court.

[UrbanPoet]

I would definitely not wear the vest externally, that's just asking for trouble. It would be underneath and I would answer the cops questions. Yes I have already made a report with the police

The vest won't help. Because to be honest... If anyone really desired to hurt you that badly... They'd just beat the ***** out of you... With or without your vest or baton.
If the threat is that real... Get into contact with the police. Be aware of your surroundings, and change your routes and plans to be safer. Stay in public areas.

[UrbanPoet]

Yes, carry a box cutter cuz "I forgot it in my pockets" is MUCH more credible than "I carry it in case of dog attack." And who gives a crap about "being in the local police notes." If your life is in danger do what you need to do.

I wish I could just tell people to apply for an authorization to carry (a handgun) for protection of life, but unless you are connected or have many times over what RFD considers high net worth you won't get one.

Even then you won't get one. The funny thing is... Apparently back in the 80s a Hell's Angels informant was granted one... The threat was real for him, and there was no way police could protect him. But the funny thing is... with or without the permit the guy would have been packing anyways. lol

[Kingmoo]

I wear a cup 24/7 cuz you just never really know

[Hitman21]

The vest won't help. Because to be honest... If anyone really desired to hurt you that badly... They'd just beat the ***** out of you... With or without your vest or baton.
If the threat is that real... Get into contact with the police. Be aware of your surroundings, and change your routes and plans to be safer. Stay in public areas.


Obviously I wouldn't go out to secluded areas I would be in public so I am not too worried about being jumped and I am also a fast runner. Unfortunately there really isn't much the police can do which is why I feel the vest would be the best option and still allow me mobility like not having to get bodyguards.

[Hitman21]

Successful troll is successful


Just like at my posting history and deleted posts, I am the same way in real life so that explains why I get the death threats

[D-Roc]

I come back from vacation for one day (then back out on vacation tomorrow) and I see this thread....lol. Some people just think they are more important in their own mind than they actually are.


http://www.drps.ca/internet_explorer/whatsnew/admin/guest_book.asp?ID=583

[flashy_mcflash]

It certainly does seem like a special kind of narcissism that suggests you're important enough to warrant a targeted hit, huh?

[Hitman21]

I come back from vacation for one day (then back out on vacation tomorrow) and I see this thread....lol. Some people just think they are more important in their own mind than they actually are.


http://www.drps.ca/internet_explorer/whatsnew/admin/guest_book.asp?ID=583


Doesn't everyone think they are important in some way? You of all people would know that I would get these death threats, look at my posting history and if I talk about those issues on the street then people will make death threats

[flashy_mcflash]

I talk about those issues on the street


http://i.imgur.com/Yya45.jpg

[Hitman21]

http://i.imgur.com/Yya45.jpg

I do and that's why I got the death threats and I want to get the bulletproof vest

[lazymonkeygod]

Illegal for sure. If you see a group of guys wearing bulletproof and stab proof jacks, then you could surely assume that they are heading to a group fight with another gang.

[x2007ura]

Better still get one of those Grizzlyman suits... no one will hassle you because everyone is afraid of bears too.

But you might not be able to run away as fast though... maybe some type of like brown bear suit instead of a polar bear suit. That way you could be protected and still have agility.

Do you have cat-like reflexes currently? If not, then agility might not be an issue for you.

You could also just get a guard bear, but they're really expensive.

[Hitman21]

Illegal for sure. If you see a group of guys wearing bulletproof and stab proof jacks, then you could surely assume that they are heading to a group fight with another gang.

Most of the responses show its legal but I could get lots of questions from cops. Like I said its to protect me from certain people after me