Cops took my name and address.

[wwedx]

I was about to j walk because I was in a rush then I look behind me and see 5 cops on bikes pull up to me and surround me, the cop asked if I was going to j walk and I said yes… he then took down all my info and said be safe outhere. Do I have anything to worry about? I was ruining to the street with a bag pack on

[ronin1701]

You hadn't actually stepped off the curb yet, is that correct? If that's the case, then why did you even give them your name and address?

We're not talking about PreCrime Officers à la Minority Report here.

[ovechkin1]

you will be taken hostage from your bed late at night, then disposed of. It's the secret police.

[sandikosh]

Next time drop the bag pack and run!

[criminal]

they just want to get you in their records

[Poulet]

Maybe a warning. Wouldn't try it again.

[Jimboski]

Probably the cop pretended to jot you down Into their records but really wanted to just scare you so you don't do It again!?

[Simaahoy]

it's linked to this


Toronto Police target distracted pedestrians


http://www.torontosun.com/2012/08/03/toronto-police-target-distracted-pedestrians

[feidailo]

hi officer.....yes.....first name: Jacques. Last name: Strap.

[vero95]

I always thought cops in Canada are cool that they let people j walk. if it does not cause problems, why not? I do that all the time DT
I once saw a bunch of school kids crossing the street on red light (it was safe) while a cop was standing at the intersection. in some countires in Europe that would not be possible

[Jucius Maximus]

OP, never talk to the police (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik). This is an American video but a lot of it applies to Canada too since we are also a common-law country (except for another local country known as Québec.)

[Owbist]

It was on the radio today that in Toronto they are clamping down on pedestrians, especially those with a cell phone and not paying attention to their surroundings. Guess you were one of those in their minds.

[stevenvv]

One time I was about to Jwalk in DT a officer stopped and offered to buy me a can of coke from the variety store :)

[wwedx]

It was on the radio today that in Toronto they are clamping down on pedestrians, especially those with a cell phone and not paying attention to their surroundings. Guess you were one of those in their minds.

I wasn't on my phone. It was in my pocket I was about to cross but then I saw traffic coming so I stopped. I was a victim of something earlier this year so the police already have me down right?

[jz1n]

There will be a follow up. Prepare for deep probing.

[sandikosh]

There will be a follow up. Prepare for deep probing.

Make sure they use the "baton"!

[Heero01]

I was about to j walk because I was in a rush then I look behind me and see 5 cops on bikes pull up to me and surround me, the cop asked if I was going to j walk and I said yes… he then took down all my info and said be safe outhere. Do I have anything to worry about? I was ruining to the street with a bag pack on

And this right here is exactly why the police should NOT be paid the high wages they are paid. The do nothing but pester innocent people (YES, OP IS INNOCENT, he did NOT jwalk). Instead of catching criminals and gang bangers they go on bike rides giving pedestrians tickets :facepalm:

Sure earning their pay - I honestly think the mandatory college degree is too tough to be a cop now, basically they just need to be able to write and ride a bike and they should qualify.

[wwedx]

So I shouldn't have anything to worry about?

[wal3145]

And this right here is exactly why the police should NOT be paid the high wages they are paid. The do nothing but pester innocent people (YES, OP IS INNOCENT, he did NOT jwalk). Instead of catching criminals and gang bangers they go on bike rides giving pedestrians tickets :facepalm:

Sure earning their pay - I honestly think the mandatory college degree is too tough to be a cop now, basically they just need to be able to write and ride a bike and they should qualify.

+1
The cops should be in hideouts waiting for a criminal to make his move.

[LaserEnvy]

Are you allowed to refuse to give them your info in this situation?

[lordnikon]

Cops asked you if you were going to j walk and you said yes?

10 points for being dumb.

[Simaahoy]

So I shouldn't have anything to worry about?

No, but if you get a ticket in the mail, report back

[AudiDude]

You call them and tell them to give them back! I'd say if you ever get hit by a car and an officer is summoned to the scene and he is one of those that saw you, the judgement will be made immediately by them that you were at fault. Other than that, you can't get a ticket for having a thought.

[Ojam]

You really shouldn't be ruining the street with your bag pack on.

[Peckerwood]

The do nothing but pester innocent people (YES, OP IS INNOCENT, he did NOT jwalk).

the cop asked if I was going to j walk and I said yes…
Animus ad se omne jus ducit. "It is to the intention that all law applies."

His action was to jwalk, he ran to the street with the intent to do so, and was in all appearances about to commit an offense. He then stupidly told the police that he was going to do so...with the only thing stopping him being the police. Obviously the police felt they had better things to do after the fact, but they were right in stopping him in this case, as his actions were all pointing to jwalking.

On the other side of it, I agree that the police could be out doing something more productive.

[coolspot]

I was about to j walk because I was in a rush then I look behind me and see 5 cops on bikes pull up to me and surround me, the cop asked if I was going to j walk and I said yes… he then took down all my info and said be safe outhere. Do I have anything to worry about? I was ruining to the street with a bag pack on

No, but the police is cracking down on jaywalking.

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/218202--don-t-text-walk-police-launch-danforth-distracted-pedestrian-blitz

[FunRing]

And this right here is exactly why the police should NOT be paid the high wages they are paid. The do nothing but pester innocent people (YES, OP IS INNOCENT, he did NOT jwalk). Instead of catching criminals and gang bangers they go on bike rides giving pedestrians tickets :facepalm:

Sure earning their pay - I honestly think the mandatory college degree is too tough to be a cop now, basically they just need to be able to write and ride a bike and they should qualify.

+1 even though I believe pedestrians should pay more attention/shouldn't be jaywalking but...seems like the cops are just trying to meet their quotas again...we're supposed to feel protected by the police... sure feels the opposite.

[al3x89]

So I shouldn't have anything to worry about?

no.. it's pretty standard to ask for them to ask for information when they stop you. make sure you don't have a warrant is the main concern.

[umop]

no.. it's pretty standard to ask for them to ask for information when they stop you. make sure you don't have a warrant is the main concern.

Or if he gets caught again, they can see he was warned before and they may give him a ticket.

[desidealer49]

You could have just said no you weren't going to jwalk and walked away.

Nothing they can do unless you actually did it.

So next time don't get intimidated.

[trixstar]

Make sure they use the "baton"!

i would rather be tasered

[ronin1701]

Good thing you weren't out LARPing.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2010/06/30/g20-weapons.html

:facepalm:

[Salavat23]

They probably put you in their system so the next time you're caught you won't have any excuse for the crime.

[SomeBodyElseisme]

They probably put you in their system so the next time you're caught you won't have any excuse for the crime.

I say they were just trying to scare you. Better be safe than sorry.

They're trying to do their "job" so less jay walkers getting run over. There were one too many cases where pedestrian getting run over, and one in particular I remember, a pedestrian was killed because she was on the phone and did not pay attention to the truck that was turning that ran her over....

[whampoa]

Word to the wise, when an officer ask you a question. Tell him/her that you want a lawyer.

End of story and discussion.

[tomjose]

Last year summer i got pulled over for RUNNING along the main road sidewalk right before i was about to take a left into my street.

Granted it was around 2 in the morning... and im brown lol :|
The cops were going the opposite direction i was running and they made a U and pulled up beside me (facing the direction of oncoming traffic).

He did ask some basic questions like 'why were you running' and 'did u have anythign to drink tonight?'
answered em honestly, no personal questions and i was soon on my way

[BobSaget]

Having walked around Chicago and NYC you get the feeling that cops there would never harass pedestrians over something as trivial as j-walking. But here the cops just can't resist giving out tickets.

[rageking]

I laughed at post #15 so I lose

Wait, this isnt the You Laugh You Lose! thread? My bad.

[Royalsoldier]

What a waste of tax payer money.

[Coz4k]

They will hunt you for the next years for sure.

[yao416]

Yous fine. You won't get a ticket

[mbg]

I don't think they were police. Be careful. They might be collecting your name for a junk mailing list.

[chinese zzz]

Next time, crossing street or j walk ... you don't look the traffic,you look for cops around first... Now is safe to cross street :):idea:

[yao416]

Next time, crossing street or j walk ... you don't look the traffic,you look for cops around first... Now is safe to cross street :):idea:

Laughing out loud. So true brother

[wwedx]

Next time, crossing street or j walk ... you don't look the traffic,you look for cops around first... Now is safe to cross street :):idea:

I honestly have no idea where they came from. Maybe it's because I'm a 16yr old black guy lol :p

[mysticalinfluence]

There going to tas you later on.

[wal3145]

OP, you should have put your hands against the wall with your feet apart. Then say to the cops with a smile, "Come on guys, search me"!

[brunes]

OP, never talk to the police (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik). This is an American video but a lot of it applies to Canada too since we are also a common-law country (except for another local country known as Québec.)

Unfortunately you are required by law to identify yourself to police if asked.

[Peckerwood]

Unfortunately you are required by law to identify yourself to police if asked.
No you are not.

Koechlin v. Waugh (Ont. C.A. 1957)

[YippoHippo]

Read this: http://www.hosseinilaw.com/talking-to-the-police

[belowzeros]

Read this: http://www.hosseinilaw.com/talking-to-the-police

well he admitted to attempting an offense. is he not obligated to hand over his info. if he had said no he could refuse if not under investigation. i think he crossed that line though.

[aplayaz2000]

One time I was about to Jwalk in DT a officer stopped and offered to buy me a can of coke from the variety store :)he just wanted ur finger prints

[Toukolou]

Sleep with one eye open, otherwise you may wake up one day wearing one of these...http://www.masksz.com/images/gimp-mask/gimp-mask-3.jpg

[Setz]

Maybe they were thought-police. Big Brother is watching you.

[dealseeker2011]

I remember back then. A cop took my name also but I did not give my real name. I'm just lucky that he did not get my id.

[brunes]

No you are not.

Koechlin v. Waugh (Ont. C.A. 1957)

Backed up by this link too http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/community/newcomer/guides/tps_guide_eng.pdf

Wow I did not know this was different in Canada! In all US states I know of, you are required to identify yourself (and in some states provide identification).

Surprised for one we have more fundamental rights than Americans.

EDIT: However it says in this document and several others that if you refuse to identify yourself, the police have a right to arrest you until they find out who you are, if they have reason to suspect you of an offense. So it is a double edged sword. In the OP's case the police would have reason to suspect he was guilty of this insane new bylaw so they could in theory arrest him.

[Peckerwood]

EDIT: However it says in this document and several others that if you refuse to identify yourself, the police have a right to arrest you until they find out who you are, if they have reason to suspect you of an offense. So it is a double edged sword. In the OP's case the police would have reason to suspect he was guilty of this insane new bylaw so they could in theory arrest him.

The bolded part is the big key. They need to suspect that a crime has been committed or is about to be committed or is being committed for an arrest to be valid. And they can't fake suspicion just so they can identify a person they decide to arrest. Suspicion must lead to a charge or at the very least to a follow up arrest including being brought to the cells and processed. That type of follow through gives teeth to the one being arrested in that they can counter charge or sue for wrongful arrest if they let him go etc.

As for your other point of people having to give up ID in the US, that isn't actually true either. In many states, it is illegal for police to demand ID without an offense being committed. The most a person has to do is tell them their first name and that they are a resident...after which the police must let the person go, or make an arrest and face prosecution if it is wrongful. Some states a person must render ID, but usually it is within the confines of motor vehicle legislation.

[Hambone]

I honestly have no idea where they came from. Maybe it's because I'm a 16yr old black guy lol :p

Do you wear your pants half way down your a$$?