Who is at fault?

[qaz393]

Can someone tell me? I was going the speed limit.

If i didnt have a dash cam and witness, she could have said that she was going straight from before (like she was always on the road and not coming out of the temple) and that i rear ended her......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V39kz2iAe3A


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tQVSEyQIY

[mbk.2k3]

she is at fault i think. unsafe/improper turn/lane change.

and OH MY GOD why is she driving so SLOW

[epik89]

might be your fault still.

but looking from the angle that you would have possibly hit the car at. the damage to your bumper might be majorly on the right side and her damage on the bumper would be mid.

which would mean she was at an angle at the time of the collision.

[yao416]

Doing the kay188

[ottofly]

You're a horrible driver. You're gunning the engine off the line as if it's some drag race, then you can clearly see what's about to transpire a mile away yet you're still hard on the throttle all the way only to slam on the brakes at the absolute last second simply to get "footage" for the sole purpose of this thread. Seriously, put your license in a shredder, give your head a shake and grow up.

[qaz393]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tQVSEyQIY

[yao416]

You're a horrible driver. You're gunning the engine off the line as if it's some drag race, then you can clearly see what's about to transpire a mile away yet you're still hard on the throttle all the way only to slam on the brakes at the absolute last second simply to get "footage" for the sole purpose of this thread. Seriously, put your license in a shredder, give your head a shake and grow up.

Gtr engine bro

[gman]

If you present the above video as evidence, sadly, you will be partial at fault because based on the video, you should be able to stop before hitting the cars. BTW, it is pretty clear that the other cars were also at fault.

[qaz393]

If you present the above video as evidence, sadly, you will be partial at fault because based on the video, you should be able to stop before hitting the cars. BTW, it is pretty clear that the other cars were also at fault.

partial fault or is it clear that its other car fault?

she rolled out so slow that i thought she saw me and stopped.....

[googoo]

Not lstening to the audio, just the video, first video, white car is at fault for turning into lane 1, not yielding to oncoming traffic and driving well below the speed limit....the BMW is guilty of passing on the right.

Video 2, the guy turning right against a red is guilt not coming to a complete stop/running a red light.

Brent

[damnos]

You're a horrible driver. You're gunning the engine off the line as if it's some drag race, then you can clearly see what's about to transpire a mile away yet you're still hard on the throttle all the way only to slam on the brakes at the absolute last second simply to get "footage" for the sole purpose of this thread. Seriously, put your license in a shredder, give your head a shake and grow up.

+1

Technically they are at fault. But as the dash cam show, you are a douche driver intentionally looking for trouble. You have tons of time to anticipate their movement safely but you purposely got up close, I think you probably speed up as well for the heck of it

Those 2 drivers might have done stupid things, but your kind of driving is the reason for accidents.

[Matrixvibe]

Doing the kay188

kay kay kay!

[S14_Raven]

Must agree, you drive like a d-bag, 2nd vid clearly shows that

[macnut]

...... first video, white car is at fault for turning into lane 1, not yielding to oncoming traffic and driving well below the speed limit....the BMW is guilty of passing on the right.

Video 2, the guy turning right against a red is guilt not coming to a complete stop/running a red light.




I saw it differently.

1st. incident
White car saw the nearside lane was empty and tried to drive into it but the Corolla's limited cornering ability didn't allow that for this particular driver.
After turning, notice that it is straddling the two lanes for a while.
Had the OP been driving in the nearside lane, the white car might have waited.
The X5 did not break any Ontario rules of the road in passing on the right given that it is a multi-lane road: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/handbook/section2.7.6.shtml
When the white car correctly moved over to the nearside lane, it was done decisively with turn signal on, and you can see brake lights go on when that move is completed - so must have been travelling at above comfort level prior.
Have to give credit where it is due - composure maintained after the original blunder.

2nd. incident
The nearside lane is temporarily closed before and after the signalled intersection, so the right turning car has an extra distance to travel from its stop line before entering the traffic flow.
But if you look carefully when the lights change, it had already maybe just passed the stop line (unless Hwys. Dept. moved it, which they should have done). Close, and given the delay between its red and the others green, hard to say.
Drivers accustomed to making that right turn into the now closed lane might not adapt well to the new regime, so the cross traffic drivers should be expecting things like that, whether rules are broken or not.

[yao416]

kay kay kay!

I see what u did there

[Voltex]

Not lstening to the audio, just the video, first video, white car is at fault for turning into lane 1, not yielding to oncoming traffic and driving well below the speed limit....the BMW is guilty of passing on the right.

Video 2, the guy turning right against a red is guilt not coming to a complete stop/running a red light.

Brent

What? There's nothing wrong with passing on the right.....




I saw it differently.

1st. incident
White car saw the nearside lane was empty and tried to drive into it but the Corolla's limited cornering ability didn't allow that for this particular driver.
After turning, notice that it is straddling the two lanes for a while.
Had the OP been driving in the nearside lane, the white car might have waited.
The X5 did not break any Ontario rules of the road in passing on the right given that it is a multi-lane road: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/handbook/section2.7.6.shtml
When the white car correctly moved over to the nearside lane, it was done decisively with turn signal on, and you can see brake lights go on when that move is completed - so must have been travelling at above comfort level prior.
Have to give credit where it is due - composure maintained after the original blunder.


No credit for composure, looks like she was soo scared she forgot where the gas pedal was. That road has a speed limit of 50km/h, there's no way she was going the speed limit. The tap of the brakes after changing lanes was probably nervousness, just like how every other bad driver reacts when placed in an "OH ****!" situation.

[greybrick]

partial fault or is it clear that its other car fault?

she rolled out so slow that i thought she saw me and stopped.....

I think that you probably wouldn't be deemed at fault if you hit the first car. You were coming around a bend and the other vehicle pulled directly into your lane. If you hadn't braked hard you would have nailed the side of her car. The second video is different. if you ran into the other driver's car in the second video you'd probably be deemed partially at fault. Simply put, the accident was easily avoidable. Consider this; if you rear end another car turning into traffic it means that vehicle had enough time to complete the turn which also means that you had enough time to avoid the collision. In either situation I wouldn't count on a video to get you off the hook.

[vaportech]

Dobt forget that op is driving a van that has ***** brakes and non performance tires. Every time i saw qaz van it had heavy cargo in it. Thus increased braking distance.

[vaportech]

If you present the above video as evidence, sadly, you will be partial at fault because based on the video, you should be able to stop before hitting the cars. BTW, it is pretty clear that the other cars were also at fault.

Even if he didn't and impacted at the driver door it would still be the white corolla's fault.

[vaportech]

+1

Technically they are at fault. But as the dash cam show, you are a douche driver intentionally looking for trouble. You have tons of time to anticipate their movement safely but you purposely got up close, I think you probably speed up as well for the heck of it

Those 2 drivers might have done stupid things, but your kind of driving is the reason for accidents.

How so? the video shows that he was on the accelerator until the corolla cut into the lane.

I've turned like that when the driver is on the left lane and there is an open right lane.

You think a fully loaded 18wheeler would've been able to stop given the situation? Even anticipating the white corolla?

If qaz speed up he woulda hit. You can see that in the video he was at 100% brake. It's because there is always heavy cargo in his van + ***** stock brakes + non-performance tires

[lolatyou1]

that's a camry not corolla..
the driver of white car is a complete idiot, absolutely 100% her fault, failed to turn in proper lane and disrupting oncoming traffic....


The second video is different. if you ran into the other driver's car in the second video you'd probably be deemed partially at fault. Simply put, the accident was easily avoidable. Consider this; if you rear end another car turning into traffic it means that vehicle had enough time to complete the turn which also means that you had enough time to avoid the collision. In either situation I wouldn't count on a video to get you off the hook.

the dude driving ghetto chevy clearly saw light turn green (opposing traffic) and saw OP's car coming but still turned... did u notice how he reached the light and stopped? one would assume he would wait since the lights in front of him turned red.. he failed to yield to oncoming traffic

[zilber]

With a dash cam it is obvious who's fault it is.

[greybrick]

the dude driving ghetto chevy clearly saw light turn green (opposing traffic) and saw OP's car coming but still turned... did u notice how he reached the light and stopped? one would assume he would wait since the lights in front of him turned red.. he failed to yield to oncoming traffic

That's all fine and good. Avoiding him wouldn't be difficult even for somebody who has terrible reflexes. Simply put, while the chevy driver was an a$$ and clearly made an illegal turn, it doesn't give you licence to simply run into the back of him. The difference between the two videos isn't the stupidity of the drivers (both are idiots) but the distance between the offending vehicle and qaz393's vehicle. If you simply ran into the back of a car making a turn like the chevy I wouldn't count on the video to exonerate you from liability. Insurance adjusters aren't that stupid.

[DJ_Peanuts22]

White car saw the nearside lane was empty and tried to drive into it but the Corolla's limited cornering ability didn't allow that for this particular driver.


It's a Camry.

[qaz393]

i think the second video is a better debate. the guy made a complete merge minus going the speed limit. i would like to say that he is at fault, but can we get some subsection of the fault determine act???

if i was at a sceen of a collision and presented the video, i would request the officer to give him three ticket. failure to stop at a red, careless driving and failure to merge.

when a drivers get charged they are automatically at fault.

[ottofly]

Dobt forget that op is driving a van that has ***** brakes and non performance tires. Every time i saw qaz van it had heavy cargo in it. Thus increased braking distance.

:facepalm::facepalm:

lol...Keep defending your bf. He certainly thinks he's driving a high performance GT based on his ridiculous full throttle starts in a suburban area. What kind of an idiot drives a van like that?

[qaz393]

:facepalm::facepalm:

lol...Keep defending your bf. He certainly thinks he's driving a high performance GT based on his ridiculous full throttle starts in a suburban area. What kind of an idiot drives a van like that?

I didnt even use launch control...... 0-100 in 3.8