[Merged] Another worthless trash to society causes an accident, killing 2

[jp06]

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/crime/article/1237318--two-dead-after-suv-heading-wrong-way-on-qew-crashes-into-van

It angers me to see worthless pieces of S*** like this loser who get behind the wheel and cause havoc. I seriously hope his family gets sued and loses their house to pay for lifelong damages to the victims. I believe in rehabilitation for people for some cases, but not for DUI drivers who kill others on the road. They only learn their lesson (not always) when someone is killed by their actions, and by then, it's already too late because the damage has been done. Also, the media needs to publish this loser's name.

[treo600]

I am utterly disgusted by this behaviour, wrong way on the QEW and the teen ends up killing what sounds like a father and daughter and sending the mother to the hospital. Just the other day I saw a drunk driver on the 401, two near accidents and me following him with OPP on the phone for 20 minutes before they pulled him over. If you're drunk just sleep in the car or something, don't risk other's lives and yours either!

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/crime/article/1237318--two-dead-after-suv-heading-wrong-way-on-qew-crashes-into-van

Two are dead and two others cling to life after a violent highway crash early Sunday.

An SUV was driving in the wrong direction on the eastbound QEW ramp onto Hwy. 427 northbound when it collided with a van around 2:45 a.m.

Peel EMS officials said two people were pronounced dead on-scene.

The OPP said the GMC Envoy SUV’s 19-year-old male driver was sent to St. Michael’s Hospital in critical condition. He was arrested and will be charged with impaired driving.

The Dodge Caravan’s 49-year-old male driver is dead, as is his 16-year-old female passenger. Another female passenger aged 50 was rushed to Sunnybrook trauma centre with life-threatening injuries.

The coroner is on-scene for an investigation. Police say a crane-like vehicle

Names of the deceased are not being released until next-of-kin are notified.

Anyone with information about this collision is asked to call the OPP at (416) 235-4981.

[treo600]

I just posted a thread about this 4 minutes after you. I can't believe this crap, it truly bitters me that this kid would take the wheel after being so drunk.

[jacobe]

When I heard the news in the morning I felt so sad for the family. Now the mother, if she recovers, will be without her husband and daughter. I understand that our legal system is not about punishing those who commit a crime but our court systems aren't doing enough to deter cases like DUI from happening in the future. It wasn't so long ago where that Asian guy died when his friend drove drunk in a SUV.

[Dina_E]

whats even worse is they were coming back from the mothers 50th birthday party.

[ronin1701]

The OPP said the GMC Envoy SUV’s 19-year-old male driver was sent to St. Michael’s Hospital in critical condition. He was arrested and will be charged with impaired driving.

Why only impaired driving? Why not impaired driving causing death?

[ronin1701]

whats even worse is they were coming back from the mothers 50th birthday party.

At least she has 50 years and will likely live to see her 51st. The daughter didn't survive to see her 17th.

[Katchemash]

I want alcohol to be banned. Place it on the same level as cocaine or heroin.

[ronin1701]

Best punishment would be to send this guy to jail, but tell the other inmates that he's actually in there for being a pedo.

[desidealer49]

Alcohol kills.

[Ottomaddox]

I want alcohol to be banned. Place it on the same level as cocaine or heroin.

We tried that once. Didn't work.

[Thai]

Death by skinning would be appropriate for tards like this.

[Piro21]

I want alcohol to be banned. Place it on the same level as cocaine or heroin.

Because that worked so well the first time, creating the mafia and all. Why do you like organized crime?

[Corleone187]

how did they arrest the kid when he was in critical condition? :|

[beerbaron105]

He is under police custody

[_Allan_]

I want alcohol to be banned. Place it on the same level as cocaine or heroin.

I think EVERY car in the world should have breathalyser test kits installed, and you should be prevented from driving if you have more than 0.05% BAC.

[Piro21]

I think EVERY car in the world should have breathalyser test kits installed, and you should be prevented from driving if you have more than 0.05% BAC.

They're on the way to doing this in France: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18662555
By the time the self-driving car comes around it'll be a non-issue, but most people love their freedom to drive drunk more than they'd like taking such a logical step. Police departments wouldn't go for a law requiring them either, as they'd have to fire a lot of their current cops (less to do) and would have less pretense to nab people outside of bars.

[jp06]

how did they arrest the kid when he was in critical condition? :|

they should have beat the crap out of him while he was in critical condition. I've seen videos of cops doing that to suspects ejected from fleeing vehicles.

[jp06]

They're on the way to doing this in France: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18662555
By the time the self-driving car comes around it'll be a non-issue, but most people love their freedom to drive drunk more than they'd like taking such a logical step. Police departments wouldn't go for a law requiring them either, as they'd have to fire a lot of their current cops (less to do) and would have less pretense to nab people outside of bars.

I don't see how installing breathalyzers in cars would cause a decrease in police force. It's not like police do R.I.D.E programs everyday. In fact, it would be less waste of time and allow police to redirect their officers to fighting crime instead of dealing with worthless trashes who get behind the wheel drunk and cause a mess.

[YippoHippo]

Why only impaired driving? Why not impaired driving causing death?

Probably knows the police.

[masterhapposai]

Every Alcoholic drink should be removed from legally accessible locations!

Anyone who HAS Alcohol already should be forced into a publicly leaked registry that shows their address and the $ value of the Alcohol stored.

[billdozer]

Waiting for the "he's a bright kid, really smart and athletic" apologetic BS from the murderer's family and friends.

[jacobe]

Waiting for the "he's a bright kid, really smart and athletic" apologetic BS from the murderer's family and friends.
He is in critical condition. We will probably hear those comments when he isn't in critical condition... or maybe by tomorrow.

[Katchemash]

Every Alcoholic drink should be removed from legally accessible locations!

Anyone who HAS Alcohol already should be forced into a publicly leaked registry that shows their address and the $ value of the Alcohol stored.

I agree with this. Enforce it so hard it disappears.

[dudebro]

the killer needs to be put away for life. i am sick of lenient sentences for these idiots.

Sincere RIP goes out to the father and his daughter. I hate these types of stories.

[valeriey]

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/crime/article/1237318--two-dead-after-suv-heading-wrong-way-on-qew-crashes-into-van....... I seriously hope his family gets sued and loses their house to pay for lifelong damages to the victims.....

What did his family do?

[jp06]

What did his family do?

For raising a piece of crap and for ruining the surviving victim's family. Let's not forget, who's insurance this punk is probably under, most likely his parents' insurance policy. Although nothing will bring the father and daughter back, the suspect's family should suffer as well and should compensate for the rest of their life.

[valeriey]

For raising a piece of crap and for ruining the surviving victim's family. Let's not forget, who's insurance this punk is probably under, most likely his parents' insurance policy. Although nothing will bring the father and daughter back, the suspect's family should suffer as well and should compensate for the rest of their life.

WOW! I hope you aren't/never become a parent.

[goodguy90]

For raising a piece of crap and for ruining the surviving victim's family. Let's not forget, who's insurance this punk is probably under, most likely his parents' insurance policy. Although nothing will bring the father and daughter back, the suspect's family should suffer as well and should compensate for the rest of their life.

What a shortsighted and emotional view of things.

The kid should be given a harsh sentence. DUnno about ruining the family's life though.

[Simaahoy]

For raising a piece of crap and for ruining the surviving victim's family. Let's not forget, who's insurance this punk is probably under, most likely his parents' insurance policy. Although nothing will bring the father and daughter back, the suspect's family should suffer as well and should compensate for the rest of their life.

Calm down, you are showing unnecessary emotion and hatred here....

The family has nothing to do with the accused, who is innocent until proven guilty. Remember he has the same rights as you.

[jp06]

WOW! I hope you aren't/never become a parent.

LOL and I hope you don't take everything on the internet so seriously... sigh...

[yao416]

Damn :(

[valeriey]

LOL and I hope you don't take everything on the internet so seriously... sigh...

:facepalm:

[Simaahoy]

LOL and I hope you don't take everything on the internet so seriously... sigh...

So you made a thread about two people injured and two dead, without being serious about it?

[jp06]

What a shortsighted and emotional view of things.

The kid should be given a harsh sentence. DUnno about ruining the family's life though.

It's not shortsighted in any way because if he's driving under his parent's policy (and probably the family SUV as well), then why should the punishment stop at the suspect? Now that is harsh and should make a strong statement. You think these "slap-on-the-wrist" type of punishments will do? ie. 6 demerit points, increased insurance rates, etc. Those are a joke.

[jp06]

So you made a thread about two people injured and two dead, without being serious about it?

and how am i not being serious? I'm contributing my opinion which everyone has a right to do. It's not my fault that Valeriey doesn't agree with my opinion. It seems like she's the one with something up her as$. She's free to contribute her opinion as well.

[jp06]

Calm down, you are showing unnecessary emotion and hatred here....

The family has nothing to do with the accused, who is innocent until proven guilty. Remember he has the same rights as you.

LOL... "innocent until proven guilty"... everyone has heard that loose line way too many times.

[jp06]

:facepalm:

:facepalm: :facepalm: (you deserve a double facepalm)... sigh

[rommelrommel]

:facepalm: :facepalm: (you deserve a double facepalm)... sigh

There isn't enough facepalm in the world for you.

[jp06]

There isn't enough facepalm in the world for you.

and you deserve something worst than a facepalm.

[Sauerkraut]

and you deserve something worst than a facepalm.

calm down. I think you need more fibre in your diet

[cliffclaven]

I think EVERY car in the world should have breathalyser test kits installed, and you should be prevented from driving if you have more than 0.05% BAC.

How do these work? I don't drink, so would I have to pay for this equipment and have to use it every time I drive?

[Doodies]

How do these work? I don't drink, so would I have to pay for this equipment and have to use it every time I drive?

Yes, it would be required for everyone to take it, if you blow over the limit you cannot start your car.

[jp06]

calm down. I think you need more fibre in your diet

i am calm. I just find the whole situation amusing. I think Valeriey needs more fibre in her diet...she definitely needs to flush something out.

[rommelrommel]

and you deserve something worst than a facepalm.

ethuggin yo :facepalm:

[jp06]

ethuggin yo :facepalm:

yeah you're so tough... :facepalm:

[vaportech]

Jp06 relax broski. I feel you in terms of drunk driving. I always call opp/yrp when i see people drunk coming back from dtown. No point attacking everyone who has a conflicting opinion on the interwebz. Yes guy *****ed up, but the family will pay for it through insurance and most likely its 1 mill. Usually for cases like this 1 mill wont cover it so they will be sued for 2 mill and prob get 1.5 awarded. The rest comes out of their pockets.

But damn yo, you gotta respect due process, the kid will get whats coming to him but leave that to professionals

[rommelrommel]

Naw man, blood debts are the only way to go. Screw just his parents, his children should be responsible for his debt too.

[Simaahoy]

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/08/05/man-and-daughter-die-in-head-on-crash

Beautiful family gone :( , I really hope the system throws the book at the accused, but trashing talking the person won't make things any better.

[LaserEnvy]

Now we can play, Guess The Canadian Sentence.

Or, Guess The Time Served.

[iEyeCaptain]

RIP to the deceased.

[zz000ter]

Ban alcohol!
Legalize marijuana!



Naw man, blood debts are the only way to go. Screw just his parents, his children should be responsible for his debt too.

Really? How are his parents or children responsible?
Go back to the old country

If the guy is 19, he is an adult.
What can his parents be liable for?

It is a tragic situation - but some of you really need to grow up.

[Ironsmack]

For raising a piece of crap and for ruining the surviving victim's family. Let's not forget, who's insurance this punk is probably under, most likely his parents' insurance policy. Although nothing will bring the father and daughter back, the suspect's family should suffer as well and should compensate for the rest of their life.

Of course, the drunk driver is 19 yrs old and legally - HE IS AN ADULT. So he's responsible for his actions.

He effed up, he should be accountable for that.

What makes you think the parents didnt due their diligence of instilling to the kid, "Dont drink and drive"?

[Ironsmack]

Death by skinning would be appropriate for tards like this.

+1. This would be a better punishment - and pour salt on every part that are skinned.



Yes, it would be required for everyone to take it, if you blow over the limit you cannot start your car.

And/Or a harsher punishment? Like i quoted above?

[Cafe_333]

It is indeed very tragic what happened, but i don't think banning alcohol is the answer. and it will never happen anyways - it's too much of a cash cow for the province of ontario and in fact the number of alcohol related deaths do not warrant it. it's the same reason why guns will never be banned: alcohol doesn't kill people - people kill people. i think people need to be educated at a young age about alcoholism. if we can teach our kids about the effects of smoking and safe sex in our education system, why can't the same be done for alcohol? statistics show that the number of smokers have declined (source (http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hc-ps/tobac-tabac/research-recherche/stat/_ctums-esutc_2010/ann-histo-eng.php#tab1)) as a result of this and i imagine it would have the same effect if we educated kids about the effects and consequences of alcohol. And if it is being taught, then not enough is being done as statistics show that "Among Canadians 15 years and older, the prevalence of past-year alcohol use was 78.0%, not statistically different from previous years." (source (http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hc-ps/drugs-drogues/stat/index-eng.php))

[flexwong]

I think EVERY car in the world should have breathalyser test kits installed, and you should be prevented from driving if you have more than 0.05% BAC.

So punish everyone including those who would never get behind the wheel of a car even after half a beer over dinner? The last thing we need is some sort of knee jerk reaction law.

[dec12]

Some drivers don't need alcohol to be a jackass. In two weeks, I seen two cars drove on the sidewalk so they can get ahead by a few cars. One drove 70km on my side of the street, over the solid yellow line, around a curve, just to pass a slow moving car. And another dimwit, instead of waiting for her light turn green, decided to speed through the intersection when I was about to make a turn on the advanced green.

[Heero01]

Ban alcohol!
Legalize marijuana!




Really? How are his parents or children responsible?
Go back to the old country

If the guy is 19, he is an adult.
What can his parents be liable for?

It is a tragic situation - but some of you really need to grow up.

I'm not saying one way or the other, in regards to if we should hold his family accountable or not, but serious questions need to be raised into how the family unit is holding up in Canada.

I have many friends who have gotten in trouble with impaired driving and collisions, and guess what... their dad burns, or they allowed their kids to drink, or they are from a broken family.

Whether you accept it or not, the family is one of the key influences in decision making. If you respect your life and the life of your family, you would not be driving to an event where you are likely to drink.

This comes back to the issue of family. Families are not teaching their kids the values they need to learn. Not drinking, not smoking, not fighting, not having unprotected sex, not being influenced by women. All of these things need to be taught but they just are not!

Its crazy how now a days we shelter and protect women who are 19 and have 3 kids from 3 different dads. We should not shelter them! We should instead use them as examples to educate people and help others make better decisions.

This whole incident could have been avoided if this young mans family had done a better job raising their child.

EDIT:


For raising a piece of crap and for ruining the surviving victim's family. Let's not forget, who's insurance this punk is probably under, most likely his parents' insurance policy. Although nothing will bring the father and daughter back, the suspect's family should suffer as well and should compensate for the rest of their life.

I must agree with you. The parents should be held somewhat accountable if he is an occasional driver on their policy. Lets not kid ourselves, if not for the parents this kid would never be driving. That MUST be factored when considering restorative measures.

[Hugh Jass]

Now we can play, Guess The Canadian Sentence.

Or, Guess The Time Served.


Sentence of 8yrs, out in 3.

[Sanyo]

A 19 year old driving mommy or daddy's suv! don't worry guys, he'll be charged with manslaughter as well...

[bullionaire]

This is why marijuana should remain illegal.

Wait, the kid was just drunk? Never mind, it's all good then.

[wilsonlam97]

This is why marijuana should remain illegal.

Wait, the kid was just drunk? Never mind, it's all good then.

Marijuana is beneficial to people with actual pain. However I don't believe in marijuana for recreational use, there would be so many 1diots making pot users look bad.

[sixer]

Horrible!

[rommelrommel]

Ban alcohol!
Legalize marijuana!




Really? How are his parents or children responsible?
Go back to the old country

If the guy is 19, he is an adult.
What can his parents be liable for?

It is a tragic situation - but some of you really need to grow up.

Sarcasm fail :(

Read my previous posts, I was just mocking jp06.

[sandikosh]

The only person to blame in this tragic accident is the 19 year old driver. It is not father. It is not the mother. Or brother. Or sister. Or aunt. Or uncle. Or girlfriend. Or his friends. Or the person who served him the drinks.

[HTTP04]

This is why death penalty should be given more often

[olssy]

Very tragic



This comes back to the issue of family. Families are not teaching their kids the values they need to learn. Not drinking, not smoking, not fighting, not having unprotected sex, not being influenced by women. All of these things need to be taught but they just are not!


Not be influenced by women? I sense someone with issues...


The only person to blame in this tragic accident is the 19 year old driver. It is not father. It is not the mother. Or brother. Or sister. Or aunt. Or uncle. Or girlfriend. Or his friends. Or the person who served him the drinks.
+1
Only the individual can be responsible for their crimes though the sentence should take into consideration the individuals background. If both parents are alcoholics that beat him every night then maybe he should be given the choice to go to therapy to reduce his sentencing. How's that for troll bait :)


This is why death penalty should be given more often
More often? You do know the death penalty is illegal in Canada right?

[HTTP04]

Very tragic



Not be influenced by women? I sense someone with issues...


+1
Only the individual can be responsible for their crimes though the sentence should take into consideration the individuals background. If both parents are alcoholics that beat him every night then maybe he should be given the choice to go to therapy to reduce his sentencing. How's that for troll bait :)


More often? You do know the death penalty is illegal in Canada right?

I was speaking in general.

Yes, I am fully aware that death penalty is illegal in Canada...it's a shame really. My point is, useless scumbags like him should just be removed from the world.

Why even bother imprisoning rapists/murderers/etc...just get rid of them


Look at Dnepropetrovsk maniacs case: 2 of them got life imprisonment and one got only 9 years in prison...it's f***ing bs

Sick bastards like them should be executed immediately

[thestar99]

He must have been super drunk to be to driving in the opposite direction. His mistake has impacted not only his life but many more. Dangers of Drunk driving has been preached but looks like the message is still not clear.

Another reason I avoid driving really late hours too many idiots like this. He must face consequences of his action

[cheapgeek]

Why don't they publish his name and picture ? He is not a minor.

[webdoctors]

wow, how wasted was he that he couldn't discern the oncoming headlights?

I'm not famliar with his SUV, it might not have auto lights, and if he was too wasted he didnt turn on his lowbeams, and his victims probably wouldnt see him until its too late.

[Yu_Qing]

the 19 year old trash should have died, and the poor girl and her father should have been spared.

[pintobean]

Here's how this will play out: The kid will be sentenced to 3 or 4 years and will be out in less than a year... How do I know this? Because I've seen it happen firsthand...

A good friend of mine had her mother killed by an 18-year-old drunk driver in 2010. The mother owned a restaurant and was on the way to work at 3:30am to start getting breakfast ready. She was killed instantly when her car was hit head on by a kid who was on his way home from a night of binge drinking with his buddies. The kid was arrested at the scene. He served 10 months of house arrest before his trial date came up. He pled guilty and was sentenced to 3 years in prison, but will be getting out later this month after serving only 9 months. The reason being given for his early release is "good behaviour".

So at the end of the day, you can literally murder somebody with your car while drunk, and as long as you show remorse and behave yourself behind bars, you can be out walking the street again in 19 months.

[Jimboski]

Rip.


Here's how this will play out: The kid will be sentenced to 3 or 4 years and will be out in less than a year... How do I know this? Because I've seen it happen firsthand...

A good friend of mine had her mother killed by an 18-year-old drunk driver in 2010. The mother owned a restaurant and was on the way to work at 3:30am to start getting breakfast ready. She was killed instantly when her car was hit head on by a kid who was on his way home from a night of binge drinking with his buddies. The kid was arrested at the scene. He served 10 months of house arrest before his trial date came up. He pled guilty and was sentenced to 3 years in prison, but will be getting out later this month after serving only 9 months. The reason being given for his early release is "good behaviour".

So at the end of the day, you can literally murder somebody with your car while drunk, and as long as you show remorse and behave yourself behind bars, you can be out walking the street again in 19 months.

That sucks to hear..

[jacobe]

^I hate hearing stories like that. The sentences are too light that it doesn't deter people from getting behind the wheel intoxicated.

[wilsonlam97]

Best punishment would be to send this guy to jail, but tell the other inmates that he's actually in there for being a pedo.

:evil:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fWszR8kMGwU/T41cYnSZtEI/AAAAAAAAAIs/BaUL2yD5TUQ/s1600/stewie_evil.jpg


I think EVERY car in the world should have breathalyser test kits installed, and you should be prevented from driving if you have more than 0.05% BAC.

Nobody would agree to a system that costs a person money when there are so many cons to it. The easier fix to the problem would be to force everyone to buy a 5-star safety car. That way we got economic stimulation and the probability of survival in car accidents is much higher. Sarcasm aside, your logic is kinda backwards. The main reason we have such disgusting human beings is thanks to the influence of parents. I won't say they're bad but they aren't doing the proper job.

[wilsonlam97]

This is why death penalty should be given more often

Sympathy must be given to the driver as well to some degree. He gets almost none but I could see the logic behind what he had done. I mean it's not like it was intentional. To a certain degree yes it was but the influence of alcohol was just insanely strong.

[wilsonlam97]

I'm not saying one way or the other, in regards to if we should hold his family accountable or not, but serious questions need to be raised into how the family unit is holding up in Canada.

I have many friends who have gotten in trouble with impaired driving and collisions, and guess what... their dad burns, or they allowed their kids to drink, or they are from a broken family.

Whether you accept it or not, the family is one of the key influences in decision making. If you respect your life and the life of your family, you would not be driving to an event where you are likely to drink.

This comes back to the issue of family. Families are not teaching their kids the values they need to learn. Not drinking, not smoking, not fighting, not having unprotected sex, not being influenced by women. All of these things need to be taught but they just are not!

Its crazy how now a days we shelter and protect women who are 19 and have 3 kids from 3 different dads. We should not shelter them! We should instead use them as examples to educate people and help others make better decisions.

This whole incident could have been avoided if this young mans family had done a better job raising their child.

EDIT:



I must agree with you. The parents should be held somewhat accountable if he is an occasional driver on their policy. Lets not kid ourselves, if not for the parents this kid would never be driving. That MUST be factored when considering restorative measures.

That is why it should be in Canadian culture for parents to teach propaganda to their children to instil such common sense.

[motto1997]

Sympathy must be given to the driver as well to some degree. He gets almost none but I could see the logic behind what he had done. I mean it's not like it was intentional. To a certain degree yes it was but the influence of alcohol was just insanely strong.

I don't know gangbangers aren't intentionally trying to hit innocent bystanders either. I have zero sympathy for this murdering scumbag.

[ovechkin1]

people are still ignorant to the hazards of drinking and driving.

[Cafe_333]

I'm not famliar with his SUV, it might not have auto lights, and if he was too wasted he didnt turn on his lowbeams, and his victims probably wouldnt see him until its too late.He would have at least had his automatic daytime running lights on, which would have made him visible?

[vero95]

The only person to blame in this tragic accident is the 19 year old driver. It is not father. It is not the mother. Or brother. Or sister. Or aunt. Or uncle. Or girlfriend. Or his friends. Or the person who served him the drinks.

or LCBO
our society is forgiving. as bad as it sounds to most of you it makes more sense to release him early than keeping him in jail for long time. he did not kill them intentionally and 3 years that someone mentioned earlier sounds like a right penalty

[diggler649]

Is it bad to feel a sense of relief when you hear about drunk drivers dying in crashes?

[valeriey]

Is it bad to feel a sense of relief when you hear about drunk drivers dying in crashes?

yes

[HTTP04]

Is it bad to feel a sense of relief when you hear about drunk drivers dying in crashes?

If only it was the drunk driver that died in this case instead of the family...

[koleso]

Wrong side of the highway? That is ***** .

[iEyeCaptain]

Once you have a conviction and criminal record, it is near impossible to get hired for any meaningful job the rest of your life.

So even if the drunk drivers are let out early for "good behaviour", they will never live a life of any meaningful luxury and will work dead end jobs the rest of their lives. To me, that is harsher than spending time in prison. And at least they won't be taking any of my tax dollars to feed them.

[NorthYorker]

Once you have a conviction and criminal record, it is near impossible to get hired for any meaningful job the rest of your life. Unless they are allowed to do criminal checks on you without your written consent (and I was under the impression that they aren't), criminal background checks aren't really all that common outside of public sector, law, finance.

[iEyeCaptain]

Unless they are allowed to do criminal checks on you without your written consent (and I was under the impression that they aren't), criminal background checks aren't really all that common outside of public sector, law, finance.

All my friends who work at large companies had to go through criminal background checks... it's just their way to safeguarding themselves...

[UrbanPoet]

What I don't get is... How does he get on the wrong side of the highway?
Those ramps leading onto highways direct you in the right direction. Unless he made a 'left turn' at the ramp?

[YippoHippo]

What ethnicity kills the most people in accidents?

[ever1221]

so why alcohol is not banned?

[iEyeCaptain]

so why alcohol is not banned?

same reason why cars is not banned

[ever1221]

same reason why cars is not banned
in europe, they banned face cover on women for 'safety' reasons...I'd like to know why this 'safety' rule does not apply to alcohol too...am not defending the face cover, but I'd like an explanation to the double standards...

not to mention some people here in canada wanting to apply this ridiculous rule too for the same r3tarded reason.

[iEyeCaptain]

in europe, they banned face cover on women for 'safety' reasons...I'd like to know why this 'safety' rule does not apply to alcohol too...am not defending the face cover, but I'd like an explanation to the double standards...

not to mention some people here in canada wanting to apply this ridiculous rule too for the same r3tarded reason.

europe is not canada

[NorthYorker]

What I don't get is... How does he get on the wrong side of the highway?Most likely, entered through exit ramp.

[ever1221]

europe is not canada

no ****

the conis are looking into applying this stupid rule here either way.

[ktan09]

It's never the driver who dies, always the innocent victim in the crash. No sympathy for drunk drivers

[Cafe_333]

so why alcohol is not banned?
it's been done and it didn't work.
it's too much of a cash cow for the government to ban it.
the number of alcohol related deaths do not warrant a ban.
alcohol doesn't kill people, people kill people.
what should be done is better education of the problem in the school system.

[wilsonlam97]

I don't know gangbangers aren't intentionally trying to hit innocent bystanders either. I have zero sympathy for this murdering scumbag.

To become a malicious, unproductive part of society is very intentional.

[wilsonlam97]

What I don't get is... How does he get on the wrong side of the highway?
Those ramps leading onto highways direct you in the right direction. Unless he made a 'left turn' at the ramp?

Remember those exits that have a do not enter sign? Yeah he probably thought it was some express lane and took it.

[Piro21]

it's been done and it didn't work.
it's too much of a cash cow for the government to ban it.
the number of alcohol related deaths do not warrant a ban.
alcohol doesn't kill people, people kill people.
what should be done is better education of the problem in the school system.

Not to mention that legislating away supply does not erase demand. Prohibition in the 1920s resulted in people making their own (often unsafe) alcohol, as well as widespread smuggling, which resulted in the rise of organized crime. Banning alcohol would be a bigger failure than the war on drugs, and would only result in higher taxes, more crime, and many people having the bright futures ahead of them destroyed because they decided to take a harmless drink.

[ever1221]

alcohol doesn't kill people, people kill people.


this makes no sense whatsoever....

[valeriey]

this makes no sense whatsoever....

Actually it does make sense.

[y2jversion1]

this makes no sense whatsoever....

Think of it this way - alcohol cannot kill people as it's an inanimate object that does not have a conscience. A bottle of alcohol sitting there cannot kill anyone.

People have consciences (at least I'd like to think so!) and the (poor) choices they make can kill people.

With all the "don't drink & drive" ads and campaigns and the fact that it's repeatedly drilled into your head not to do so - it's the people that do not follow those rules that end up killing people - not the alcohol. There are many folks who don't even drive after one drink (who drink at home) and many who take the GO, TTC or cab to and from their favourite watering hole - it's always the dumbshiots who want to be "heros" who cause deaths.

[flashy_mcflash]

Not to mention that legislating away supply does not erase demand. Prohibition in the 1920s resulted in people making their own (often unsafe) alcohol, as well as widespread smuggling, which resulted in the rise of organized crime. Banning alcohol would be a bigger failure than the war on drugs, and would only result in higher taxes, more crime, and many people having the bright futures ahead of them destroyed because they decided to take a harmless drink.

Exactly. Same as the drug trade - legislate away the supply and it becomes the domain of criminals and all the baggage that brings. Or abortion - make it illegal and women will find a way, even if it's an untrained doctor with a coathanger in an alley. Bans just don't work.

[laihama]

Not to mention that legislating away supply does not erase demand. Prohibition in the 1920s resulted in people making their own (often unsafe) alcohol, as well as widespread smuggling, which resulted in the rise of organized crime. Banning alcohol would be a bigger failure than the war on drugs, and would only result in higher taxes, more crime, and many people having the bright futures ahead of them destroyed because they decided to take a harmless drink.It also resulted in some very rich Canadians, like the Bronfmans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Bronfman).


In 1903, the family bought a hotel business, and young Samuel, noting that much of the profit was in alcoholic beverages, set up shop as a liquor distributor. He founded the Distillers Corporation in Montreal in 1924, specializing in cheap whiskey, and concurrently taking advantage of the U.S. prohibition on alcoholic beverages. The Bronfmans found great success bootlegging to the northern cities of the U.S. such as Boston, New York and Chicago during the Prohibition era, while operating from the perimeters of Montreal, Quebec where alcohol production was legal

[motto1997]

To become a malicious, unproductive part of society is very intentional.

Irrelevant. You said you can sympathize with this scumbag because he didn't have intent. Almost no one has intent. Do you sympathize with them?

Honest mistake I guess. To be so drunk you can barely stay awake, and still drive anyways, while putting the real productive members of society at risk.

[ever1221]

Think of it this way - alcohol cannot kill people as it's an inanimate object that does not have a conscience. A bottle of alcohol sitting there cannot kill anyone.

People have consciences (at least I'd like to think so!) and the (poor) choices they make can kill people.

With all the "don't drink & drive" ads and campaigns and the fact that it's repeatedly drilled into your head not to do so - it's the people that do not follow those rules that end up killing people - not the alcohol. There are many folks who don't even drive after one drink (who drink at home) and many who take the GO, TTC or cab to and from their favourite watering hole - it's always the dumbshiots who want to be "heros" who cause deaths.

Not it still makes non sense...when you are drunk, you are not aware of what you're doing, so its not the person doing some random stuff that causes damage to the society! It is the drunk person that is not aware of what hes doing because of drinking...

maybe you're saying that coz the person has the choice to drink...well then thats a different story, coz if the person has that choice, then lets eliminate it all together...so no, people dont kill people...its alcohol thats the cause of killing people.

[flashy_mcflash]

People have and always will find an intoxicant or some kind of escape from everyday life. Alcohol just happens to be popular, and because we've created an industry around it, legal and socially acceptable. So I think if it wasn't alcohol it'd be something else - maybe in some alternate reality where alcohol doesn't exist, there are ads that tell people not to drive after imbibing salvia or ayahuasca.

[divx]

there is so much trash on the streets, where is batman when you needed him.

[deltone]

I'm not saying one way or the other, in regards to if we should hold his family accountable or not, but serious questions need to be raised into how the family unit is holding up in Canada.

I have many friends who have gotten in trouble with impaired driving and collisions, and guess what... their dad burns, or they allowed their kids to drink, or they are from a broken family.

Whether you accept it or not, the family is one of the key influences in decision making. If you respect your life and the life of your family, you would not be driving to an event where you are likely to drink.

This comes back to the issue of family. Families are not teaching their kids the values they need to learn. Not drinking, not smoking, not fighting, not having unprotected sex, not being influenced by women. All of these things need to be taught but they just are not!

Its crazy how now a days we shelter and protect women who are 19 and have 3 kids from 3 different dads. We should not shelter them! We should instead use them as examples to educate people and help others make better decisions.

This whole incident could have been avoided if this young mans family had done a better job raising their child.

EDIT:



I must agree with you. The parents should be held somewhat accountable if he is an occasional driver on their policy. Lets not kid ourselves, if not for the parents this kid would never be driving. That MUST be factored when considering restorative measures.

Wow, talk about derailing a thread and somehow finding a way to slam females. So let me get this straight. Some drunk GUY (ya, he's a MALE) killed some lovely, innocent people and you somehow manage to find a way to slam females. Heaven help us if anyone is influenced by a woman. You can't be serious because if you are, well, I won't say what's on my mind as you're not worth an infraction but you need to give yourself a really really strong shake. Maybe it'll knock some sense into you, but I doubt it. I'm reading between the lines here but I have a really good idea of what got you to this insane place but again, I'm not going to go there but I think it's pretty obvious.

Oh, and last time I looked, those 19 year old females with kids from three different fathers, well, they were inseminated by MALES!!! Ya, imagine that. Also, what that has to do with this thread is beyond me seeing it's a thread about how some 19 year old MALE kiled these innocent people and it's not a thread about unwed mothers. I thought I'd seen a lot of crazy BS here on RFD but I think your post takes the cake and believe me, that was no easy feat.


What ethnicity kills the most people in accidents?

Are you trying to start something here? What difference does it make???

Now, back on topic. My condolences to this poor poor family. My heart breaks for the son. I suffered the loss of a son and I know how hard that is but to lose a dad, sister, and have a mom in the hospital, well, I cannot imagine. I hope this poor mother recovers but I know she will never recover from her broken heart.

It's time that our laws against drunk driving had some teeth. I hope this kid gets a severe punishment but to those suggesting his parents should also be in trouble, well, that's just dumb.

Edit: Oh, and I forgot to address the first bolded part. Why you are bringing Canada into this is also beyond me. Last time I looked there are drunken idiots everywhere, not just Canada. Yet another post that has to bash Canada. :facepalm:

[diggler649]

yes

Another RFD OT bleeding heart. :rolleyes:

[flashy_mcflash]

Another RFD OT bleeding heart. :rolleyes:

Ya man feelin bad about a dead family? Harshin' my buzz amirite?

[valeriey]

Another RFD OT bleeding heart. :rolleyes:

Bleeding heart??
I want him to live long enough to regret what he has done.
I wouldn't want that on MY conscience.

[gizmo8]

I want alcohol to be banned. Place it on the same level as cocaine or heroin.



Why?...if taken responsibly and within limits its beneficial for humans....why not ban cars?...

[Mrbj]

They banned the advertisement of cigarettes but they have all cool commercials with hot chicks for bud light, kokanee, molson goes on and on – and how they wont tell that alcohol smells like *****. IMO alcohol is a greater danger than cigarettes. You don't lose your senses and only affect yourself or/may be people who chose to be close to you. I'm asking for at least advertisement ban - but if USA won't do is USA's puppy Canada CAN'T do it; once USA does it Canada will do it next day.

I'm not happy!

[ishfish]

Why?...if taken responsibly and within limits its beneficial for humans....why not ban cars?...

They could t. ban alcohol like they t. banned, ummmm say, Katchemash.

[HTTP04]

Why waste money putting money into prison systems... execute the criminals, save money.

[Montague]

Bleeding heart??
I want him to live long enough to regret what he has done.
I wouldn't want that on MY conscience.

Considering how lax our justice system is - person would likely just get out after a short time and commit the *SAME* offense again (resulting in yet *ANOTHER* tragedy) quickly afterwards.

[manixc]

Since drunk driving is a cut and dry offense (as in it's almost always guilty), I think we should enforce harsher punishment.

I am thinking immediate jail for a week for first offense. And repeat offender will get progressively harsher punishment.

Intent doesn't mean much in drunk driving cases. It's like having someone shoot a gun in random direction and there is no intent to kill someone.

[Ascott]

Probably knows the police.

It's probably the opposite of your thinking. If they want to charge him with vehicular manslaughter it would be unwise to say they're doing so before they're finished their investigation. You don't want to give his defence any type of fuel to fire back a "Defamed my clients public image blah-blah-blah" type of BS.



I am thinking immediate jail for a week for first offense. And repeat offender will get progressively harsher punishment. .

There are thousands of studies that have concluded increased/harsher jail sentences do not curb deviant or criminal behaviours. There are no studies that conclude that they do. What's the answer? I don't know, but it's certainly not pissing more money into an ineffectual prison system.

[kennyhohoho]

If you're caught drinking and driving, even if you don't hurt anyone or hit anything, you should lose your driver's license for the rest of your life and have your car reposessed and sold since you can't drive it anyway.

What's the penalty now? Like a 30 day suspension or something? That's nothing. It's a joke.

[ishfish]

If you're caught drinking and driving, even if you don't hurt anyone or hit anything, you should lose your driver's license for the rest of your life and have your car reposessed and sold since you can't drive it anyway.

What's the penalty now? Like a 30 day suspension or something? That's nothing. It's a joke.
I get your intent, but in the long run it may be a punishment that backfires as it would impede securing employment etc. And lets face it many people drive with suspended licenses and no insurance.
I think it is a one year suspension.

[HTTP04]

I was there was such thing as a Death Note.

[deltone]

If you're caught drinking and driving, even if you don't hurt anyone or hit anything, you should lose your driver's license for the rest of your life and have your car reposessed and sold since you can't drive it anyway.

What's the penalty now? Like a 30 day suspension or something? That's nothing. It's a joke.

Nope, it's longer than that. A friend of ours was caught and charged with a DUI a couple of years ago. It was in the month of December and so he couldn't drive until his court date which was in April. At that time he was given a one year suspension. So, he actually coudln't drive for around 15 or so months. In addition, he had to pay his lawyer a couple of thousand, had to pay a fine, and then when the suspension was up, hehad to have one of those things installed in his car that you have to breathe into. He had that for a year and he had to pay to have it installed and he had to go and get it reviewed every month and he had to pay for that. In addition, he had to attend some sort of group meetings but I forget how many and how long. Oh, and his insurance went WAY up. He is a local business man and his name was in the paper so he was embarassed.

Oh, and before anyone thinks I'm sticking up for him or suggesting that his punishment was too severe, I'm not. He's a good friend and I think the world of him but he deserves everything he got and if he ever does it again, I would feel he deserves some jail time.

[gilboman]

If you're caught drinking and driving, even if you don't hurt anyone or hit anything, you should lose your driver's license for the rest of your life and have your car reposessed and sold since you can't drive it anyway.

What's the penalty now? Like a 30 day suspension or something? That's nothing. It's a joke.

won't do a thing. tougher sentences don't work. How many times do you/we have to see it fail to get it through people's head?

[deltone]

won't do a thing. tougher sentences don't work. How many times do you/we have to see it fail to get it through people's head?

The problem with these sorts of things is that if you are the type to drink and drive, even though you know the law, you don't have much respect for the law so getting a lifetime suspension isn't the answer becasue you've already shown you feel the laws don't apply to you so you are more than likely going to drive anyway.

[flashy_mcflash]

And even if you do lose your license, who do you think is buying those e-bikes you see all the time? At least those things are unlikely to kill someone even if you've had a few drinks.

[manixc]

If harsher sentence won't work, then I say we just get breathlyser installed in every car. It'll be expensive but I think the potential saving is worth it.

And if you are still caught after that, I'd say life ban on driving.

[manixc]

The problem with these sorts of things is that if you are the type to drink and drive, even though you know the law, you don't have much respect for the law so getting a lifetime suspension isn't the answer becasue you've already shown you feel the laws don't apply to you so you are more than likely going to drive anyway.

I feel that is the problem. Some people don't respect the law and by extension other people. I really don't get these people. I hope karma works.

[ishfish]

If harsher sentence won't work, then I say we just get breathlyser installed in every car. It'll be expensive but I think the potential saving is worth it.

And if you are still caught after that, I'd say life ban on driving.

Those machines do not work. Mechanically they are not always accurate and there are ways to cheat them.

[koleso]

If you're caught drinking and driving, even if you don't hurt anyone or hit anything, you should lose your driver's license for the rest of your life and have your car reposessed and sold since you can't drive it anyway.

What's the penalty now? Like a 30 day suspension or something? That's nothing. It's a joke.

Care to elaborate why It is not acceptable to have a glass of wine and drive?

[lazymonkeygod]

Alcohol kills.

alcohol doesn't kill...people kill.

[lazymonkeygod]

Care to elaborate why It is not acceptable to have a glass of wine and drive?

a lot of people don't know their limit. some people get tipsy over one drink. we leave too much room for debate on this. it should be plain and simple, if you drank then don't drive.

[koleso]

a lot of people don't know their limit. some people get tipsy over one drink. we leave too much room for debate on this. it should be plain and simple, if you drank then don't drive.

Ok then, plain and simple - i disagree. I do not wish to give up the right to consume alcohol within limits just because someone is not mature enough to watch his/her limit. I've been drinking within limits since I got my G, got pulled over numerous times beside a bar and checked for alcohol level and not a single DIU ticket not a single accident as a result of alcohol consumption.

Now GTA is full of dangerous drivers that do not consume alcohol but cause accidents and even kill. So where ido you draw the line?

[starboy869]

Since drunk driving is a cut and dry offense (as in it's almost always guilty), I think we should enforce harsher punishment.

I am thinking immediate jail for a week for first offense. And repeat offender will get progressively harsher punishment.

Intent doesn't mean much in drunk driving cases. It's like having someone shoot a gun in random direction and there is no intent to kill someone.

Getting off a dui charge is all dependant on how deep are your pockets.

[popcorneater]

so, how come the press hasn't released his name? He's not a minor. Public shaming. Bring out the pitchforks!

[lazymonkeygod]

Ok then, plain and simple - i disagree. I do not wish to give up the right to consume alcohol within limits just because someone is not mature enough to watch his/her limit. I've been drinking within limits since I got my G, got pulled over numerous times beside a bar and checked for alcohol level and not a single DIU ticket not a single accident as a result of alcohol consumption.

Now GTA is full of dangerous drivers that do not consume alcohol but cause accidents and even kill. So where ido you draw the line?

First of all, why did you get pulled over numerous times? Just random search or were you doing something stupid after drinking that you don't realize? I've driven for over 13 years now and I've never been pulled over. If the police have to check you for alcohol level that means you gave them more than enough reason to suspect that you've drank beyond the limit.

I bet you the 19 year old boy who was driving drunk was saying the same thing right before he killed the father and daughter..."not a single DIU ticket not a single accident as a result of alcohol consumption", YET. To be honest, many people on the road thinks they are invincible and that bad things will never happen to them. That's the kind of mentality that causes accident. I've worked in restaurants and bars as well. Every single person who's drunk will say they are not drunk and try to get into their car. Where do we draw the line? I don't know.

The fact that you're defensive against your drinking and driving rights already show that you are the kind of person who would probably try to push your limits, best of luck to you and to everyone around you.

You sound just like those people who text and drive at the same time. "Don't worry, nothing is going to happen....BAAAAMMMMMM"

[lazymonkeygod]

so, how come the press hasn't released his name? He's not a minor. Public shaming. Bring out the pitchforks!

They are waiting to notify the family and friends first before they release names to public.

[lazymonkeygod]

I don't know why it's so hard for people to accept something so simple...if you drank, then don't drive. Is it so hard to just say "I had a drink, can you give me a lift home?" or "I had a drink, can you call me a cab?" Just don't argue and don't let your ego be your downfall. It's as straight forward as tell your kid not to run around with a scissor or knife. It may not happen today, it may not happen tomorrow or the day after. But it only takes one time for you to realize that maybe letting my kid run around with a knife in his hand is a bad idea...oh well too late now...

[wilsonlam97]

Irrelevant. You said you can sympathize with this scumbag because he didn't have intent. Almost no one has intent. Do you sympathize with them?

Honest mistake I guess. To be so drunk you can barely stay awake, and still drive anyways, while putting the real productive members of society at risk.

It sounds better with my response to the quote. I was talking about gangbangers since you had mentioned it.





I don't know gangbangers aren't intentionally trying to hit innocent bystanders either. I have zero sympathy for this murdering scumbag.

To become a malicious, unproductive part of society is very intentional.

[koleso]

First of all, why did you get pulled over numerous times? Just random search or were you doing something stupid after drinking that you don't realize? I've driven for over 13 years now and I've never been pulled over. If the police have to check you for alcohol level that means you gave them more than enough reason to suspect that you've drank beyond the limit.

I bet you the 19 year old boy who was driving drunk was saying the same thing right before he killed the father and daughter..."not a single DIU ticket not a single accident as a result of alcohol consumption", YET. To be honest, many people on the road thinks they are invincible and that bad things will never happen to them. That's the kind of mentality that causes accident. I've worked in restaurants and bars as well. Every single person who's drunk will say they are not drunk and try to get into their car. Where do we draw the line? I don't know.

The fact that you're defensive against your drinking and driving rights already show that you are the kind of person who would probably try to push your limits, best of luck to you and to everyone around you.

You sound just like those people who text and drive at the same time. "Don't worry, nothing is going to happen....BAAAAMMMMMM"

Loose the offensiveness, its unnecessary if you want to have a fair argument.
You think you got all the scenarios covered but not even close.
I got pulled over because I drink within limits and park my car next to the bar where cops wait for someone ***** over limit to turn the ignition key. And no I'm not 19 and no im not saying it's right someone dumb killed someone else - how do you come up with this crap?
I'm not defending DUI, read what I said - LIMITS! Not drunk - alcohol consumption within limits. I'm for harsh punishment for DUI, I'm for strict prosecution against DUI. I am against drunk drivers but I see nothing wrong with imposed alcohol consumption limit that is currently in place.

[lazymonkeygod]

Loose the offensiveness, its unnecessary if you want to have a fair argument.
You think you got all the scenarios covered but not even close.
I got pulled over because I drink within limits and park my car next to the bar where cops wait for someone ***** over limit to turn the ignition key. And no I'm not 19 and no im not saying its right someone dumb killed someone else - how do you come up with this crap?
I'm not defending DUI, read what I said - LIMITS! Not drunk - alcohol consumption within limits. I'm for harsh panishment for DUI, I'm for strict prosecution againt DUI. I see nothing wrong with imposed alcohol consumption limit that is currently in place.

LIMITS? Do you know yours? If the cops weren't there to check your LIMITS would you have known? Do you carry a breathilizer on you? LIMITS are something set by the city and it changes depending on what the city deems ok and the city is not always right. No one will out right defend against DUI. But many will argue that as long as they drink within limits then they should still be able to drive. And I bet the 19 years old THOUGHT he was within LIMITS TOO.

[lazymonkeygod]

I can guarantee you that 100% of the people who drank and decided to drive didn't think that they are going to kill someone until it happens. And 100% of them will say "I'm ok (within limits) to drive"

[koleso]

LIMITS? Do you know yours? If the cops weren't there to check your LIMITS would you have known? Do you carry a breathilizer on you? LIMITS are something set by the city and it changes depending on what the city deems ok and the city is not always right. No one will out right defend against DUI. But many will argue that as long as they drink within limits then they should still be able to drive. And I bet the 19 years old THOUGHT he was within LIMITS TOO.

My limits are aligned to what the province has currently imposed. I dont carry around a breathalizer but one mature and responsible enough should be able to tell when to stop. Yeah i would have known within limit if cops didnt stop me - i never go above 2 pints of beer or two glasses of wine if im driving. When I go over I let someone else sober drive. I'm just reiterating a numerously posted fact that alcohol doesnt kill - its irresponsible drivers that kill regardless if they are drunk or not

[lazymonkeygod]

My limits are aligned to what the province has currently imposed. I dont carry around a breathalizer but one mature and responsible enough should be able to tell when to stop. Yeah i would have known within limit if cops didnt stop me - i never go above 2 pints of beer or two glasses of wine if im driving. When I go over I let someone else sober drive. I'm just reiterating a numerously posted fact that alcohol doesnt kill - its irresponsible drivers that kill regardless if they are drunk or not

I don't want to judge, but ["Nothing will happen. I have one unpaid in Ontario and it doesnt bother me. " <- koleso] you don't sound like you're "mature and responsible". Mature would mean not getting caught drunk in public. Responsible would mean paying your fines if you were caught. Sorry, I guess I should be glad someone as responsible and mature as you don't drive around my city.

[koleso]

I don't want to judge, but ["Nothing will happen. I have one unpaid in Ontario and it doesnt bother me. " <- koleso] you don't sound like you're "mature and responsible". Mature would mean not getting caught drunk in public. Responsible would mean paying your fines if you were caught. Sorry, I guess I should be glad someone as responsible and mature as you don't drive around my city.

The level of stupidity in people just amazes me sometimes. Without knowing the details you jump into conclusions. You're right when it comes to paying fines I'm not responsible: I dont pay my hydro bills in time, I dont pay my parking tickets in time and I didnt pay my "drinking in public" not "drunk in public, please not" ticket in time as I didnt think I deserved it. Would you have though the same if you stepped out on a road from a cottage to pick up a ball with a bottle of been in your hand? But wait you're one of those that thinks cops would never write a ticket just for the sake of writing it. You probably dont have life, never drank in public when you were young, never got a ticket you were not supposed to get and your brst friend must be XBOX. I'll just start making up conclusion without knowing the details. See where it leads?

[lazymonkeygod]

The level of stupidity in people just amazes me sometimes. Without knowing the details you jump into conclusions. You're right when it comes to paying fines I'm not responsible: I dont pay my hydro bills in time, I dont pay my parking tickets in time and I didnt pay my "drinking in public" not "drunk in public, please not" ticket in time as I didnt think I deserved it. Would you have though the same if you stepped out on a road from a cottage to pick up a ball with a bottle of been in your hand? But wait you're one of those that thinks cops would never write a ticket just for the sake of writing it. You probably dont have life, never drank in public when you were young, never got a ticket you were not supposed to get and your brst friend must be XBOX. I'll just start making up conclusion without knowing the details. See where it leads?

From the sounds of it, you don't intend on paying your fines AT ALL? Please don't try to make it sound like you're planning on paying for it by saying "in time" repeatedly. Whether it's drinking in public or drunk in public both are against the law. It's true I don't drink in public because I am responsible and mature. I know it's against the law just like getting into my car after drinking. "never drank in public when you were young"??? The 19 years old would be saying the exact same thing right now to others who are trying to convince that he's wrong. His exact words would be "You probably don't have a life, never drank and drive when you were young, never got a BAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMM"

[koleso]

From the sounds of it, you don't intend on paying your fines AT ALL? Please don't try to make it sound like you're planning on paying for it by saying "in time" repeatedly. Whether it's drinking in public or drunk in public both are against the law. It's true I don't drink in public because I am responsible and mature. I know it's against the law just like getting into my car after drinking. "never drank in public when you were young"??? The 19 years old would be saying the exact same thing right now to others who are trying to convince that he's wrong. His exact words would be "You probably don't have a life, never drank and drive when you were young, never got a BAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMM"

Jaywalking is against the law as well but you like all of us have broken it in the past. So is speeding, we all do it and you have done it in the past - every driver has. Or you never drove 45 in 40 limit and you never crossed the road where you are not supposed to cross? You broke the laws do you realize and it makes you immature and irresponsible.
I've voiced my opinion about drinking within limits and driving and will shut up now as I dont feel the need to BAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMM

[lazymonkeygod]

Jaywalking is against the law as well but you like all of us have broken it in the past. So is speeding, we all do it and you have done it in the past - every driver has. Or you never drove 45 in 40 limit and you never crossed the road where you are not supposed to cross? You broke the laws do you realize and it makes you immature and irresponsible.
I've voiced my opinion about drinking within limits and driving and will shut up now as I dont feel the need to BAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMM

Now that certain people understand his place...I'd like to say it again.

It is simple. If you drank! don't drive!