bought a lemon from Ontario fine cars HELP!

[forzamilan]

hi guys, a couple weeks ago I bought a 2000 VW jetta from Ontario fine cars off off Autotrader. Im in vancouver so I wasnt able to inspect the car, but I paid 700$ for a mechanic (recommended by the dealer) to inspect the car. He did and said that it needed new brakes and new brakes were put in. I was told by the dealer that the car was in good condition with no rust, and only one ding on the car.

Skip forward to yesterday, I get the car delivered to me. It is full of dents and dings. the undercarriage is all rusted, the E brake doesnt work, the doors dont close properly, etc etc.....long story short, the car is a lemon after I was told it was fine by the dealer.

What are my options now? the dealer is avoiding my calls, so I know im not gonna get anywhere with that. I could attempt to sell the car but that will be VERY hard. Do I have a legal avenue that I can pursue? What do you guys recommened

[ainsane]

LOL I think your stuck. Enjoy the lemon! hahahaahah :D

Not to be a bastard, but I remember reading the thread when you were thinking of buying it and people warned you. Plus, you paid a mechanic recommended by the DEALER? What the hell were you thinking?

Anyway, maybe you can sell the car on the <a href=../autolink/redirectpage.php?linkid=78 target=_blank>ebay</a> account you bought off someone ;)

[Defiant]

Yeah, have to echo what was said here. I dont think you have very many options as you are in Vancouver. I'd probably either just sell it and cut my losses or pay for the repairs. Then I'd file this whole experience away in my head under the 'bad decisions to learn from' category.

[McLaren]

Oh snap that sucks. But heres the original thread: http://forums.redflagdeals.com/showthread.php?t=131144

Rust already on a 4 year old car? whats the milege on the car?

[blackhawk]

you mean to say you bought a vehicle online without looking at it?

inspection was by a mechanic recommended by the seller?

what sort of contract do you have online? what province? how'd you pay?

you know you're going to get a lot of people saying "what are you thinking, buying a car online?" ;)

you should have a provincial consumer affairs dept and a toll free number to get started...the dealer not talking to you sounds odd too..you may also have a local newspaper actionline type of reporter to turn to

I'd like to hear the other side of this story though

[gman]

Sigh! I told you in your original thread that there is something fishy.

[turanuk]

today's lesson: you get what you pay for.

[HughG]

That must suck man.

Better Business Bearue cant help ?

[NDman]

BBB won't do anything though. And that's only if the dealer is a member. Do you have the mechanics' report in paper? If so, *maybe* you have a very very VERY small chance. Otherwise, you are pretty much SOL.

[SoNgMaN]

call silverman

[confused]

call silverman

watch it buddy!

[Mellow]

maby the dealer sent another car to the mechanic for inspection , and then sent you the lemon.


anyways its a well know FACT dealers & mechanics are crooks .

[Digiital]

It's VW what do you expect?


Oh snap that sucks. But heres the original thread: http://forums.redflagdeals.com/showthread.php?t=131144

Rust already on a 4 year old car? whats the milege on the car?

[gh05t]

call silverman

Yeah get Silverman from cablepulse involved. Off course he will scold you for being so naive but he will expose the crooks and possibly get your money back or will advise you if you can get your money back and how to do so.Plus the public will be made aware.

Then make sure you do a write up in the newspaper about your experience not to defame the company as they can take you to court for defamation but to inform the general public of the consequences of doing this type of "Blind" transactions reminding them that when it's "too good to be true it often is". Good Luck.

I used to trust people a lot too thinking only good of people but after experiencing some of the crooks and getting burnt by many here in Canada i trust nobody now and I am just a little more careful.

[B40]

Freight is only around 500$. I'm saving around 4000$-5000$ by buying it in Toronto instead of Vancouver.

I feel bad for you man, but honestly, it's your own fault. At this point, I would say consult with a lawyer and see what your legal options are.

[S14_Raven]

Ouch...damn, you're pretty screwed.

For the money that you saved, you coulda thrown a bit at some local RFD'ers and I don't think they would mind checkin that thing out for ya.

[Cruel_Angel]

if you have what they told you the condition of the car was in writing, then you have a case. If you have a statement from the mechanic that the brakes were the ONLY thing wrong with the car, then you have a case. You should always get descriptions in writing, or even if you have pictures of what the car was supposed to look like then you again have a case. If it's all verbal, i wish you good luck.

[ainsane]

Man, I dont know what people are talking about calling Silverman and suing and sh*t. This is your own fault, I wouldn't consider the sellers crooks. What you did is like a woman on the street just handing her purse over to someone!

Unless you got something in writing from the car dealership stating exactly what was wrong with the car, I don't think you have a leg to stand on.


For the money that you saved, you coulda thrown a bit at some local RFD'ers and I don't think they would mind checkin that thing out for ya.

And yeah, even if you just paid someone a few bucks to run by there and snap a pic with a digital camera to at least see it... that might have been an option.

Anyway, good for the dealer (as long as he didn't break any contracts)! He got a sucker to buy a POS from him. LOL

[bembem]

Wow... there's not much more to say.

"Freight is only around 500$. I'm saving around 4000$-5000$ by buying it in Toronto instead of Vancouver."
Have you been to Toronto? There's a reason why cars are cheaper there. People drive their cars fast and hard! When I as there, I was going anywhere from 110-140 on the 401. Trust me, cars in Toronto are driven at least 2 to 3 times as hard. There's salt and bad road conditions therefore rust, and more scratches and dings.

"2000 VW jetta from Ontario"
What were you thinking? $12k for a 2000 VR6? That is uber not realistic...

"I paid 700$ for a mechanic (recommended by the dealer) to inspect the car."
This one takes the cake. Like someone else said, you have no one to blame except yourself... $700 is too much for an inspection... especially from a tainted mechanic.

"I get the car delivered to me. It is full of dents and dings. the undercarriage is all rusted, the E brake doesnt work, the doors dont close properly, etc etc.....long story short, the car is a lemon after I was told it was fine by the dealer."
Uhmm, I'm guessing you didn't get any background checks or ask for detailed pictures? The minimum you should've done was to pay someone from RFD $100 to go check it out...

"What are my options now?"
If you have the mechanics report in writing (which I highly doubt) or the dealers claims in writing (which I highly doubt), then you are extremely limited in your actions.

[Driftwood]

Anyway, good for the dealer (as long as he didn't break any contracts)! He got a sucker to buy a POS from him. LOL

Haha that's funny 'cause its true! Seriously though who uses a mechanic recommended by the dealer? And goes ahead and buys the car without inspecting it first?

I feel sorry for ya man, but you gotta use some smarts when buying a car, used car dealers are the slimiest people you'll ever meet.

[advantage21]

$700 for a car inspection? This should have been a big warning right off the bat. Your got taken from the get go.

[DragonZealot]

Sorry to hear about this. Not much options. People already warned you.

[B40]

Everyone saying there's nothing you can do should try putting yourself in his position. Funny thing is these are probably the guys trying to save $10 on a "Stooples" PM and when someone loses a few thousand from a shady sale, they say it's your fault, there's nothing you can do. If you got frauded out of that much money would you just give up and say it was my fault? Although I do agree that he should have been more cautious and got a 3rd party to inspect the vehicle, you can't turn back the hands of time.

What the dealer did was illegal and possibly the mechanic too. I'm no legal expert, so I won't comment on legal actions, but I strongly suggest you consult a lawyer or at least start off doing some searches in Google, Canadian law etc, maybe contact the BBB, RCMP, local police. I also hope you have proof, if you have a copy of the mechanics report or even just an email from the dealer with the report, that could help you a lot. Without any documentation, I'm not sure how far you'd get.

Don't listen to all these guys saying there's nothing you can do. Chances are you aren't the first nor will be the last person these guys take. Hope things work out for you.

[weedb0y]

son, you got punk'd..well for 12gz..its prolly worth the car that u got..

you get what u pay for

[canadiantofu]

Isn't there a law where you can return goods with in a certain amount of time? like 12 days?

[ctam]

The problem is that from the way it sounds, it seems a fair deal. You are getting the end of the stick. But the rust part and the door not working part, the mechanic can still justify the car is in ok condition (ok enough and safe enough to drive). That will be tough to fight in court. Not only tough but also time consuming and expensive.

It is up to you to fight it or just take it as a learning lesson. The very least you should have done is get someone who you know in Toronto to check the car for you.

[weedb0y]

I would put in couple of g's that you have saved into making the car mint..that way..u still got a deal!

Trust me..Toronto is a bigger market..If the dealer could'nt sell it here locally? why was he selling on the net? like that?

[advantage21]

Isn't there a law where you can return goods with in a certain amount of time? like 12 days?

No there isn't.

And to B40:

We're not wallowing in this person's misfortune, but the facts clearly shows this person did not exercise basic due diligence on the deal and now it's blown up in his/her face. Yes, it's funny how someone will spend more time researching a $100 item at FS to save $10 but blow 12 grand on a "deal" full of red flags.

As to contacting a lawyer, sure go ahead, why not. G'luck with that. My opinion is that it's nearly impossible to prove fraud unless the dealer specified the car is flawless in writing, otherwise how many "ding" and dents in a used car is a matter of perspective.

[plucky duck]

Wow, sorry to hear. But you were given advice yet you still didn't listen. If you were to stand to save that much money you should've taken a flight there in person or paid someone from RFD to take pics or check it out for you.

But alas, hindsight is 20/20. Chalk it up to lesson learned, an expensive one albeit. Check with your lawyer and see what else can be done about it.

Good luck.

[GangStarr]

you bought a car from out east and expected it to be rust free. silly west coaster, we dont juse use salt we abuse salt, its everywhere and it eats away our cars. Hence why they are cheaper

Take the money you saved, go to a body shop, have those dings fixed. Get the doors re-aligned. Hopefully its an automatic and you can live without an e-brake but if its a stick, hahah better go to a mechanic and have that fixed.


Its a shame to hear you were ripped of. G'luck in the future

[simms]

It is people like you that make people like me rich.

Follow the advice given and you would not be in this situation.. you were blinded by greed of so called saving money that you did not see the bigger picture.

<Apu> Thank you, come again </Apu>

[gman]

No there isn't.

And to B40:

We're not wallowing in this person's misfortune, but the facts clearly shows this person did not exercise basic due diligence on the deal and now it's blown up in his/her face. Yes, it's funny how someone will spend more time researching a $100 item at FS to save $10 but blow 12 grand on a "deal" full of red flags.

As to contacting a lawyer, sure go ahead, why not. G'luck with that. My opinion is that it's nearly impossible to prove fraud unless the dealer specified the car is flawless in writing, otherwise how many "ding" and dents in a used car is a matter of perspective.

And of course on top of it, we told him this had red flag before he went forward to buy it.

[NLI10D]

somehow the old adage "we told you so" just doesn't quite cover it.

[Blunt]

I think this is a joke.

[ferkel]

You should have paid one of us here $100-200 to go and take a look, test drive the vehicle, take some pics for you, etc. I remember I offered this for someone here.. to take a look at a car for him in Toronto, but he didn't want to pay me for my time.

[Driftwood]

I think this is a joke.

Likely, I don't see how anyone could be so naive.

[googoo]

So you saved $4-5000??? Why then didn't you fly out here, on a one way flight, and complete the deal in person???

Then you could drive the car back, or have it shipped.

Brent

[gman]

So you saved $4-5000??? Why then didn't you fly out here, on a one way flight, and complete the deal in person???

Then you could drive the car back, or have it shipped.

Brent

This option was also suggested before he bought the car.

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/showthread.php?t=131144 post#6

[bembem]

So you saved $4-5000??? Why then didn't you fly out here, on a one way flight, and complete the deal in person???

Then you could drive the car back, or have it shipped.

Brent

Hehe, it would've been a free flight too because once he sees the car, he would've saved that $700 inspection fee... which again is wayyyyy overpriced.

[canadiantofu]

So you saved $4-5000??? Why then didn't you fly out here, on a one way flight, and complete the deal in person???

Then you could drive the car back, or have it shipped.

Brent

Better yet...I am sure a RFDer could have help him out and checked out the car for him..... Right?

[Singh_21]

700 for an inspection?..Thats crazy

[Bob_123]

When life give you a lemon ... make lemonade.


hi guys, a couple weeks ago I bought a 2000 VW jetta from Ontario fine cars off off Autotrader. Im in vancouver so I wasnt able to inspect the car, but I paid 700$ for a mechanic (recommended by the dealer) to inspect the car. He did and said that it needed new brakes and new brakes were put in. I was told by the dealer that the car was in good condition with no rust, and only one ding on the car.

Skip forward to yesterday, I get the car delivered to me. It is full of dents and dings. the undercarriage is all rusted, the E brake doesnt work, the doors dont close properly, etc etc.....long story short, the car is a lemon after I was told it was fine by the dealer.

What are my options now? the dealer is avoiding my calls, so I know im not gonna get anywhere with that. I could attempt to sell the car but that will be VERY hard. Do I have a legal avenue that I can pursue? What do you guys recommened

[Bob_123]

call silverman


Yeahhhh! That might work.

[Blunt]

Or Silverman might slap you across the head -himself ...
for being soooo stupid...

[B40]

Or Silverman might slap you across the head -himself ...
for being soooo stupid...

hahahahaha

[ainsane]

Man I gotta get into the used car business. I had no idea there were people this stupid who could afford $10,000+ on a car.

[lkn4deals]

While I think this is possible, I believe it to be unlikely...

I don't really think he bought a car...and if he did buy it, like this, I cannot believe the stupidity

[NDman]

... and of course, the OP conveniently disappeared since the first post

[forzamilan]

i do have the mechanics report in writing, but anyways I've decided im gonna fix the dings and dents, paint over the rust and sell it to some poor sap in vancouver and make a few grand :razz:


....yeah im evil....but so is the rest of this pathetic country.

[ainsane]

i do have the mechanics report in writing, but anyways I've decided im gonna fix the dings and dents, paint over the rust and sell it to some poor sap in vancouver and make a few grand :razz:


....yeah im evil....but so is the rest of this pathetic country.

:mad:
You're a f'in *******, thats what you are.

[bembem]

i do have the mechanics report in writing, but anyways I've decided im gonna fix the dings and dents, paint over the rust and sell it to some poor sap in vancouver and make a few grand :razz:


....yeah im evil....but so is the rest of this pathetic country.
In that case, I'm glad you got ripped off.

And I hope your math isn't as bad as your common sense.

CAR : $12000
TAXES : $840
INSPECTION : $700
SHIPPING : $500
REPAIRS : $2000 (dents, dings, painting, fixing frame, aligning doors)
TOTAL : $16000

The look on your face when you realize that there are other local 2000 VR6's in the Buy and Sell that are in great condition that are selling for $16-17000, PRICELESS.

And no, you're not evil. Just pathetic.

[NDman]

:mad:
You're a f'in *******, thats what you are.

You have been trolled... :D

[turanuk]

that is a pretty low repair estimate.


In that case, I'm glad you got ripped off.

And I hope your math isn't as bad as your common sense.

CAR : $12000
TAXES : $840
INSPECTION : $700
SHIPPING : $500
REPAIRS : $2000 (dents, dings, painting, fixing frame, aligning doors)
TOTAL : $16000

The look on your face when you realize that there are other local 2000 VR6's in the Buy and Sell that are in great condition that are selling for $16-17000, PRICELESS.

And no, you're not evil. Just pathetic.

[Blunt]

i do have the mechanics report in writing, but anyways I've decided im gonna fix the dings and dents, paint over the rust and sell it to some poor sap in vancouver and make a few grand :razz:


....yeah im evil....but so is the rest of this pathetic country.

You mean there's more than ONE of you in this country?
I hope you can convince the next person to take the car to a mechnic of YOUR choice any pay $700 too....

[MTL-TechY]

i do have the mechanics report in writing, but anyways I've decided im gonna fix the dings and dents, paint over the rust and sell it to some poor sap in vancouver and make a few grand :razz:


....yeah im evil....but so is the rest of this pathetic country.

man, you were dumb from the get go, who buys car from the other side of the country, just go to the states you ding dong, and i hope that the poor person who you try to sell this car too, will have the power to discover your scam, you make us all sick in the stomach and i hope you realize that your not better then whoever sold the car to you. Payed 700$ bucks for an inspection :lol: , didn't even check the car before he bought, not even any pictures. What the heck is wrong in ur head, man what a sucker

[x-batman]

man, you were dumb from the get go, who buys car from the other side of the country, just go to the states you ding dong, and i hope that the poor person who you try to sell this car too, will have the power to discover your scam, you make us all sick in the stomach and i hope you realize that your not better then whoever sold the car to you. Payed 700$ bucks for an inspection :lol: , didn't even check the car before he bought, not even any pictures. What the heck is wrong in ur head, man what a sucker


LOL, that guy is such a sucker

I say we put flyers around Vancouver warning people about this guys scam lol

[kingsley]

He's not going to do it. If he was smart enough to pull off the scam then he would be smart enough not to be in this position in the first place.

[gman]

Is it just me? Somehow I have a feeling that if he preceeds to pull off a scam, he will be scammed again by a better scammer. :cheesygri

[Rehan]

Is it just me? Somehow I have a feeling that if he preceeds to pull off a scam, he will be scammed again by a better scammer. :cheesygri
Next thread: "big cheque bounced HELP!"
:lol:

[MTL-TechY]

LOL, that guy is such a sucker

I say we put flyers around Vancouver warning people about this guys scam lol

man, i'm sure he'll sell off the car and then think to himself, well then i wonder if i should still buy my car in ontario, oh why not, best 2 out of 3

ha ha ha :D

[salvador]

reading through this whole thread, haha pure jokes

do stupid to believe though, i think this dude is a troll just having some fun

[R23]

ya this has to be fake.
if not, that guy's stupid.

[aznxtambOy]

Why in the world would someone pay a mechanic recommended by the DEALER? Stupid if you ask me!

[Adrian Lankosz]

We all make mistakes in life, but leave the guy alone already.

If you have advise to help by all means post, if you just going to bash him dont. Its not helping anyone.