Would you scam a scammer? UPDATE! MONEY ORDER PICS! [Archive]

DennyD

Feb 19th, 2005, 04:38 PM

I posted a laptop for sale on some newsgroups and within 2 hours I had 4 offers from Nigeria to buy it. (sniff sniff - scam perhaps?)

Anyway, I found that two of them are the same person using different names but the same email address. (guess he forgot!) He wants to buy more from "my store" and thats when the red-alert scam bells went off. I said that if the deal goes well and there are no problems I'd sell him some more.

a.) do you think this is a scam?
and
b) if the money order clears, would you scam a scammer?

Or does that make me as bad as him? Ugh. Sometimes I hate moral issues. :|

What would ya do?

UPDATE
He wants to buy more from me. I said I've got access to up to 20 more and if this deal goes well then I will send him more laptops. Do you think that it will be a legit money order... since he wants more laptops?

He also says he sent $1800 (2x $900) money orders, which is $600 more than the agreed price. Said to keep it to put towards the other laptops...

UPDATE 2
Got the money orders today. Super fake and printed on a cheap bubblejet printer.

felix

Feb 19th, 2005, 04:56 PM

haha ... yeah, ask him to send the money and let us know how it goes! :D

DragonZealot

Feb 19th, 2005, 05:04 PM

a.) do you think this is a scam?

Yes. Would you go across the ocean to buy a Laptop. If he agrees to buy at asking price then this would be too good to be true.

b) if the money order clears, would you scam a scammer?

If this is a scam they would send in money order that eventually will be bounced.

If I were you I would just ignore those responses.

Firestorm ZERO

Feb 19th, 2005, 05:22 PM

Heh you reminded me of P-P-P-Powerbook

http://www.p-p-p-powerbook.com/

MTL-TechY

Feb 19th, 2005, 05:45 PM

you want to hear about a great scam of nigeria

read this - very funny, little long - 5 pages, but worth it

Guess who gets scammed in the end !!! (http://419eater.com/html/joe_eboh.htm)

enjoy

felix

Feb 19th, 2005, 06:13 PM

you want to hear about a great scam of nigeria

read this - very funny, little long - 5 pages, but worth it

Guess who gets scammed in the end !!! (http://419eater.com/html/joe_eboh.htm)

enjoy
Is that for real? Someone sure spent a lot of time on it. :D

MTL-TechY

Feb 19th, 2005, 06:16 PM

Is that for real? Someone sure spent a lot of time on it. :D

i didn't believe it,but apparently there's anetwork of people trying to scam scammers :D, better for the whole population, plus gives you a laugh or two

motorcycleguy

Feb 19th, 2005, 06:27 PM

Don't try to deposit the Money order or the Certified Check you get in your bank account.It will bounce off and then your bank account will be closed,all your funds frozen and police will be investigating it.At the end you may end up paying 100 some bucks to the bank for the troubles

;)

felix

Feb 19th, 2005, 06:35 PM

yikes. That sounds almost as bad as Paypal. :lol:

B40

Feb 19th, 2005, 06:41 PM

i didn't believe it,but apparently there's anetwork of people trying to scam scammers :D, better for the whole population, plus gives you a laugh or two

we need to take this to the 3rd degree, who wants to start a network to scam the scammers who are scamming scammers?

HughG

Feb 19th, 2005, 07:27 PM

hahaha i had offers from nigeria too rofl.

where did you post it ?

This is my email

Dear seller,
I will like to buy this item from you and we will like them to be delivered to sweety schoolling in one of the africa countries (Nigeria) cos the item is for his next birthday gift from me to demonstrate my LOVE for her and have promised her that she will surely have it from me.I will like to arrange for your money through money order via western union auction payment (BidPay) and I will personally arrange for the shipping of the item on payment approval by the western union.Therefore if you agree with all my policies just let me have your payment information such as your:

NAME:
ADDRESS:
CITY:
STATE:
ZIPCODE:
COUNTRY:
TELEPHONE:
EMAIL ADDRESS:
TOTAL AMOUNT TO PAY:
TOTAL WEIGHT:

So that your money can be arranged for immediately.
Thanks in anticipation of your prompt response.

ham_sup_jai

Feb 19th, 2005, 07:28 PM

scamming a scammer would not be scamming a scammer because that scammer is using money he scammed from someone else. anyone who used their own real money to buy something off you is not a scammer and therefore your the scammer if you scam that 'scammer'. but scammers use money they scam and then when it leads to you paypal or cc or bank will take the money the scammer scammed and gave to you and they will think your a part of the scammers. ya follow?

Cruel_Angel

Feb 19th, 2005, 07:38 PM

well, i've scammed scammers before. They money orders you get won't be legit, or they will be at one point. I've deposited some before, you get em off some web page, and they mail them to you or some crap.. Online checks, anyways they don't clear, and then your bank asks you funny questions. I did also collect credit card numbers from them, and report them back to the correspoing company. And you can usually get 10 - 15 numbers out of these people before they realize your ****ing them.

Topher

Feb 19th, 2005, 10:14 PM

You absolutely must visit 419 Eater (http://www.419eater.com) then. They will be happy to help you waste the scammer's time.

charger

Feb 20th, 2005, 12:52 AM

I remember watching P-p-p-powerbook unfold on somethingawful's forums. That site is worth it's weight in gold, best $10 ever spent.

b166er1337

Feb 20th, 2005, 01:28 AM

you want to hear about a great scam of nigeria

read this - very funny, little long - 5 pages, but worth it

Guess who gets scammed in the end !!! (http://419eater.com/html/joe_eboh.htm)

enjoy

dude, it's not little long. It is VERY LONG.

LOL but this is funny **** :)

Hibbing

Feb 20th, 2005, 08:52 AM

65505201

Feb 20th, 2005, 02:47 PM

Hhahahah. I got one too.

I WILL LIKE TO ORDER FOR THESE ITEM AND AM\' SHIPPING IT
TO NIGERIA AND SO MAIL ME BACK WITH THE PRICE AND THE
CONDITION OF THE ITEM AT MOMENT.
MAIL ME TO THESE ADDRESS queen4fortune@yahoo.com

http://www.ehmac.ca/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=199

Too bad I use my real e-mail addy on these BST forums to promote a sense of legitimacy. I wonder if I should still screw around with the guy.

champ91

Feb 20th, 2005, 03:33 PM

dont' waste time doing that...not even worth it

NDman

Feb 21st, 2005, 01:32 AM

Nigera, Romania are the ones I've heard of. Don't bother. What you don't have going for you against them are time, and idiocy. They'll beat you by experience eventually. Chances of you scamming them are pretty low. Maybe good for a laugh in the first couple of exchanges, but that's where you should stop bothering

guest10586

Feb 21st, 2005, 04:28 AM

That 419eater site was pretty good.

CodecX81

Feb 21st, 2005, 09:07 AM

"My old pappy always used to say, "there is no more deeply satisfying religious experience... than cheatin' on a cheater."

/props to TBS for playing Maverick this weekend. I love that movie.

canook

Feb 21st, 2005, 10:08 AM

Or does that make me as bad as him? Ugh. Sometimes I hate moral issues. :|

What would ya do?

Aside from moral issues, there's the fact that these are some pretty unsavoury people. Granted, they're in Nigeria, but getting yourself involved by way of some vigilante justice scheme is just going to end up in headaches.

I'd say just leave it alone. Why waste your time?

untaka

Feb 21st, 2005, 10:29 AM

build a laptop out of cardboard and send it to him ....scam him!

or even better yet, send him a shitload of bricks and make him pay for shipping but make sure its not too even everyone knows a laptop doesn't way 20p.

Keigotw

Feb 21st, 2005, 11:33 AM

Read this one

Fraud Over $5,000.00 - 32 Division

Male suspect, 39

Charge(s): February 7, 2005 – Fraud Over $5,000.00.

Arrested and investigated by Members of the Fraud Squad.

During the period from January 1, 2003 to February 6, 2005, a 39 year old male suspect and associates contacted a 79 year old male victim on line, on the phone and over the fax machine claiming they were representatives of Global Link Securities based out of Lagos, Nigeria and offered him $20,000,000.00 in U.S. funds as an inheritance. The suspect also stated that the victim would have to front a quantity of cash over the next two years to various associates. A total of $28,000 U.S. was forwarded to the suspect and his associates. On February 6, 2005, the victim and a second 49 year old male victim met with the suspect, in the company of a female suspect (still outstanding). The victims were shown two suitcases full of blackened money and also sold a product to supposedly clean the money. The victims turned over another $4,500.00 to the suspects. When the victims returned to their premises and attempted to clean the money they realized that it could not be cleaned. They again contacted the suspects who agreed to supply them with further cleaning solutions for another $2,500.00. Police were notified and investigation revealed that Global Link Securities was a fictitious company. As a result of further investigation, the suspect was arrested on January 7, 2005. Charged accordingly. No recovery has been made.

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1516&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

DennyD

Mar 10th, 2005, 11:10 AM

The guy is getting pretty anxious now... I just read the p-p-p-powerbook site and I can never compare to it, but here's the latest developments:

hello
pls denny i know you get the money order yesterday pls why did you so delay to he amil me pls just go nad ship the laptop now and pls provide me the tracking code and pls keep the remaining money for me till i send the money of the order one that ma purchasing ok
i wair for the tracking number
thanks

So he KNOWS I got the money order yesterday? I reply:

You know I got the money order yesterday? Really? Because nothing but junk mail was in my mailbox yesterday. And yes, the laptop will be shipped the same day I am paid.

hello denny
am glad to hear from you that the payment have arrive yr door pls go and send the laptop to this address now and pls provide me the tracking code so that i can monitor it myself
the address again
name.........odubote olujimi
address........31 awofeso street
city.............somolu
state.....lagos
zip code..........23401
country.......nigeria
pls am expecting the tracking from you now
thanks

Obviously this guy does not know how to read...
Anyway, I'm going to get the money order and verify that it is legit.
Then we'll see where things go from there...

d_jedi

Mar 10th, 2005, 11:23 AM

P-P-P-Powerbook!

(Bean)

Mar 10th, 2005, 12:53 PM

very funny

JoKeRr

Mar 10th, 2005, 01:27 PM

I would not hesistate if I had a chance to scam a scammer. Definitely do it!!

i was scammed once by Jeremy Oliver from Texas, for like 350 bux, I had all his info and eventually I got my $$$ back after swearing at her mom on the phone for 10 times. The whole experience makes me SICk, and I think if I had a chance to scam that sob, I would do it. :twisted:

(Bean)

Mar 10th, 2005, 05:56 PM

UPDATE
He wants to buy more from me. I said I've got access to up to 20 more and if this deal goes well then I will send him more laptops. Do you think that it will be a legit money order... since he wants more laptops?

He also says he sent $1800 (2x $900) money orders, which is $600 more than the agreed price. Said to keep it to put towards the other laptops...[/QUOTE]

I don't understand - if he sends you a money order how can it be a scam? If you have the cash - isn't he/she just paying for what they bought. I am not saying its not a scam - but if you receive money how can it be?

i6s1

Mar 10th, 2005, 07:01 PM

Its possible to cancel a money order, and most people don't know that.

TigerEROS

Mar 10th, 2005, 07:17 PM

I would.

The TTC is a prime example.

If I had enough money I would get a manufacturer in a Third World Country to mass produce Tokens and then sell them cheap to every body that buys them!!!!

Too bad. I don't have the money. It could happen if I win a HUGE LOTTERY!!!!

:lol: :cheesygri :lol: :cheesygri :lol: :cheesygri :lol: :cheesygri :lol:

DennyD

Mar 12th, 2005, 10:01 AM

I got the money orders yesterday.

They are the most fake and unrealistic scan and print money orders I've ever seen. There is a strip that is supposed to be a hologram (like on the $50 bill) and it is a solid grey color... all the security features are not there at all.

The kicker is that after he printed it (on a not very good printer) he used dull sissors to cut it out and the cut lines are very irregular. I've seen USPS money orders before and this is definately not legit.

He mailed USPS money orders from Nigeria? Does USPS have offices over there? Eh. At least I took his time up so he has that he has less time to scam other people.

Pics later on today.

P__S__2

Mar 12th, 2005, 10:25 AM

DennyD

Mar 12th, 2005, 11:07 AM

Not sure.

Should I:
a.) keep the game going a bit and see what he does next?
or
b.) tell him I knew the truth about his scamming ass since the start?

I'm havin too much fun to give up now... hehehehe

700mb80min

Mar 12th, 2005, 11:14 AM

contact 419 eater and let them in on it .....they`ll tell you what to do /not do at this point ....

DennyD

Mar 12th, 2005, 12:05 PM

So I tell him that I'm not able to cash the money orders in Canada; they say US only on them. So he replies:

hello
well go and send the laptop right away and i will call the usa bank to release the fund for you or you are to go to the canada bank to call the usa bank to release the funds for you ok so go and send the laptop right away
thanks

Man... is this guy a frikkin moron or what?

Rikardo

Mar 12th, 2005, 12:31 PM

Lol. If I were in your shoes, I would send a package with a brick in it and a nice message of how to turn the brick into a laptop. It would be worth the shipping expense.

WiZZLa

Mar 12th, 2005, 12:51 PM

Just so people know, money orders don't bounce. It's the closest thing to a certified cheque that doesn't go over $1000 or $2000 (not sure of the amount.)

Jokez Guy

Mar 12th, 2005, 01:39 PM

Lol. If I were in your shoes, I would send a package with a brick in it and a nice message of how to turn the brick into a laptop. It would be worth the shipping expense.

LMAO, OR Put some powder in a envelope LOL and write a letter with it ANTHRAX you got punk3d, lol scare the heck outta da guy

Rikardo

Mar 12th, 2005, 02:47 PM

Nah, that would get CSIS and FBI knocking at your door, fake or not. Sort of like saying "I have a bomb" while you are flying in an airplane.

LMAO, OR Put some powder in a envelope LOL and write a letter with it ANTHRAX you got punk3d, lol scare the heck outta da guy

simms

Mar 12th, 2005, 02:58 PM

LMAO, OR Put some powder in a envelope LOL and write a letter with it ANTHRAX you got punk3d, lol scare the heck outta da guy
bad idea...

Txiasaeia

Mar 12th, 2005, 03:10 PM

I wonder if you can ship stuff overseas COD... if I were you I would do up twenty "laptops" worth of bricks. Get the COD to cover shipping only. Wouldn't that be priceless?

wiggy

Mar 12th, 2005, 03:10 PM

Nah, that would get CSIS and FBI knocking at your door, fake or not. Sort of like saying "I have a bomb" while you are flying in an airplane.

Well, maybe some chicken bones and a few feathers then. Make him think he's got some bad ju-ju going ...

JoKeRr

Mar 12th, 2005, 03:20 PM

LMAO, OR Put some powder in a envelope LOL and write a letter with it ANTHRAX you got punk3d, lol scare the heck outta da guy

jokez guy u idiot. that's not even funny dude. I say cash the MO if u can, try to do it at western union. And fedex freight him a large peice of crap dead meat (or dead animal) sealed in a bag (so no one can smell). and write a note:

Power Rotten Apple meat!!
Freshly prepared for Nigerian scam punk

Ngo_35

Mar 12th, 2005, 03:28 PM

I think the xray will catch a dead animal. Plus in nigeria there are enough animals lying around (i assume). Anyways post a pic of the MO. Just curious what it looks like.

milk

Mar 12th, 2005, 05:33 PM

Along with the brick in a box, also send him a colour printout of the goatse.cx man.

synaptech

Mar 12th, 2005, 06:28 PM

Just so people know, money orders don't bounce. It's the closest thing to a certified cheque that doesn't go over $1000 or $2000 (not sure of the amount.)

They don't bounce but can be cancelled up to 30 days later... seller beware.

(Bean)

Mar 12th, 2005, 06:44 PM

They don't bounce but can be cancelled up to 30 days later... seller beware.

Can they be cancelled even if you have already cashed them?

synaptech

Mar 12th, 2005, 08:12 PM

Can they be cancelled even if you have already cashed them?

Yes.

d_jedi

Mar 12th, 2005, 09:20 PM

Denny, I think it's about time to send him a P-P-P-Powerbook..

Jazzhound

Mar 12th, 2005, 09:27 PM

Some people are purely in it for identity theft, Nigerians or not. I would be extremely careful about sending people my name and address.

Don't be surprised if you discover one day you're implicated in a crime. Haha! :twisted:

DennyD

Mar 12th, 2005, 09:56 PM

Here in the first pic you can see that the stripe going up and down is plainly visible. It should be a "hologram" just like on our $20 and $50 bills. Also notice that it goes above the top of the money order itself. That is another story all together... a legit money order does not have the poorly cut white border around it.
http://www.dwfitt.com/mo1.jpg

In this 2nd pic you can see the strip better, and in the white oval you are supposed to be able to see a face when you hold it to the light. Ya can't see a bloody thing other than a white oval. It looks like there is "something" in the circle in the pic but it's not a face.
http://www.dwfitt.com/mo2.jpg

mingcourt

Mar 12th, 2005, 10:06 PM

Dont you think your thread title is a bit rude? "Dumbass nigerian?"

DennyD

Mar 12th, 2005, 10:09 PM

In retrospect, I suppose it was. *edited*
But this guy has to be pretty dim to think that I'd beleive these were legit.

WiZZLa

Mar 12th, 2005, 11:05 PM

I can see a face or pattern in the oval. The cut is the new method now. Just send me the laptops already.

"I pay good money order. It clear! I call bank for you. Just send laptops." :cheesygri

b0r3d

Mar 12th, 2005, 11:15 PM

whats funny is i have some guy from "Nigeria" 3 different email address its obvious its the same guy because he types the exact same weird way each email.

He always keeps trying to buy stuff from me, gives me an address and tells me i can use his DHL account to ship to him. But when i try to ask questions or find out who he is i lose contact..

Wonder if this is the same guy? This guy has tried this 3 different times with me and i traced routed his ip to his ISP and called the ISP and they verified him as a customer but couldn't release anything of course.

Rikardo

Mar 12th, 2005, 11:24 PM

Seriously Denny,

Send something to him. IMO, Fake MO=Fake laptop. Take a picture of your laptop and stick it on a box containing a couple of catalogues from Staples, Grand and Toy etc (enough weight to feel like a laptop). Also make sure you bookmark the pages of the laptop section in each catalogue by folding the corners or use post it notes. I would love to imagine him tracking his package for the next 2 weeks while he awaits delivery. I'd be willing to chip in on the shipping costs to see this happen. I'm pretty sure others here at RFD would too.

Amourek

Mar 12th, 2005, 11:27 PM

Send him some excrement for his trouble. :idea:

Montague

Mar 12th, 2005, 11:39 PM

I hope that the send to address is indicating the fact that you gave him a post office box instead of your actual home address.

Never can tell the type of people you are dealing with so best to remain as anonymous as possible.

elty

Mar 12th, 2005, 11:42 PM

tell him USPS MO is only valid in US and ask them to scan a WU next time

laptop-tech

Mar 13th, 2005, 10:59 AM

is he willing to pay for shipping ?

If so, wait until you see some old fridge or stove on the street and get a UPS tag to ship it at his expense.

felix

Mar 14th, 2005, 01:26 AM

wow, those look like nice fakes. I think they'd actually have more luck scamming people if they bothered to trim the white borders and not mention they're from Nigeria. :D

DennyD

Mar 14th, 2005, 03:42 PM

And he still at it! "Well you let me take care of the money orders, you just ship the laptops to me now"

As if... bonehead...

JLee

Mar 14th, 2005, 03:56 PM

well, let's just hope he's not scamming you because he had resorted to it due to lack of fund to feed his family.

JoKeRr

Mar 14th, 2005, 06:12 PM

tell him the MO was not proved at the postal office and they almost arrested you for using fake MO.

and then tell him FCK OFF and if he's really serious, you'll only consider Western Union, and you'll only ship when you have the $$$ in hand.

However, on a side note: you can trick him to pay a portion of it first (since 100 bux deposit) so you can ship him a pile of puke (or dog crap). That will work really nicely as you don't loose any money shipping crap.

slotscanada

Apr 4th, 2005, 09:24 PM

you want to hear about a great scam of nigeria

read this - very funny, little long - 5 pages, but worth it

Guess who gets scammed in the end !!! (http://419eater.com/html/joe_eboh.htm)

enjoy

That is HILARIOUS - I am laughing aloud! Good site!!! Cheers! :lol: :lol:

scottyb

Apr 4th, 2005, 10:54 PM

That is HILARIOUS - I am laughing aloud! Good site!!! Cheers! :lol: :lol:

That has to be one of the funniest things I have ever read!

Hellfire

Apr 5th, 2005, 12:06 AM

That's great. I'm impressed the guy manged to get $80 outta him.

DennyD

Apr 5th, 2005, 01:21 AM

I told him that I had enough hassles trying to cash them in Canada and said if you can't send something I can use, I'll have to cancel the deal. Replied rather quickly saying he'll send a certified check out on Monday (the 4th).

But now he's sending a MO for $4000 to buy three laptops. I'm only selling one for $1200usd (he never haggled) I said I could sell more if the first one goes well so I think he's now forking over real money to get loads of laptops..

Eh. Ya never know. I wanna nail this scammin' ahole..