Look But Do Not Touch?

[Jazzhound]

I'm not all together certain if what I'm about to ask is consonant with RFD guidelines, but here goes.

I take the TTC bus to and from work every day; and today was rather amusing (among other things). I caught a girl nonchalantly gazing at me, hoping I'd reciprocate by smiling or giving her a look back. My sight was on her all that time, but unfortunately for her, I had my Ray-Bans on so she could not be sure. Cutting to the chase -- although she was incredibly attractive, I would wager she was no more than 17 or 18; and I would say that's generous already.

So the question is, do you older gents, possibly even those with kids that age, abstain from looking? Frankly, I would be quite shocked if the majority would deny themselves this harmless pleasure. I personally do not feel looking is at all transgressing; it is a natural impulse to look at beautiful things.

Please share your thoughts, and remember to keep this congenial. I am not a child molestor, pedophile, etc.

:evil:

[danfromwaterloo]

Hell no, go for it. Like the thread says look but don't touch. And don't look too creepy.

[Roninvancouver]

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[bluetroll]

i respect that.... when i'm older i'd be tappin dat shiet.

[CSR]

Stop imagining things.... she was staring at the sign to see if it was her stop yet..... u have kids for crying out loud.... wat are u doing checking out minors...... the "ray-bans" clearly show what kinda guy u are..

[Jazzhound]

I would be most interested in hearing from those who have families or at the very least, in their 30s. Beyond any social stigma it carries; it is very much divided with some who would daringly suggest it is harmless, while others may not be so haste to dismiss the physcological damage it may do. I don't think flirting, in and of itself is harmless. Young girls (especially girls) are very impressionable; it could send the wrong message.

[Roninvancouver]

Can you guys smell that?

It smells...
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just another freakin' troll.....go bye bye troll boy. Your writing style and content identical to a few trolls banned here before.

[Jazzhound]

Stop imagining things.... she was staring at the sign to see if it was her stop yet..... u have kids for crying out loud.... wat are u doing checking out minors...... the "ray-bans" clearly show what kinda guy u are..


You know what they say about assumptions; and let's just say I am no arse. I don't quite get the "Ray-Bans" comment, either. While it may appear like I'm conceited and artificially inflating my self-esteem, there is no mistaking what she was looking at.

If you still have doubts about what transpired, take the story as purely a hypothetical.

[Jazzhound]

Can you guys smell that?

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just another freakin' troll.....go bye bye troll boy. Your writing style and content identical to a few trolls banned here before.

Grow up, Junior.

Trolling implies it is inflammatory and directly offensive to another member. It is neither of those. If you have nothing constructive to add, don't bother responding.

[Ojam]

Stop imagining things.... she was staring at the sign to see if it was her stop yet..... u have kids for crying out loud.... wat are u doing checking out minors...... the "ray-bans" clearly show what kinda guy u are..

I have Ray-bans...... I only where them when it's sunny and I'm driving though? Is that wrong? :|

Anyway, How old is the OP?

[thelefteyeguy]

I glance rather that goggle...sounds like what you were doing behind the sunglasses....btw...why do you wear sunglasses in the bus?

maybe she was also wondering why you were wearing sunglasses in the bus/subway?

by the way are you contemplating the act of touching also?

[Jazzhound]

I glance rather that goggle...sounds like what you were doing behind the sunglasses....btw...why do you wear sunglasses in the bus?

maybe she was also wondering why you were wearing sunglasses in the bus/subway?

by the way are you contemplating the act of touching also?

Given what my title explictly says, the answer would be no. As for the reason why I wear sunglasses on the bus, it is simple logic. The sun rises much earlier now that spring is creeping near. It was bright as all hell at 8am. Add to that, I am sensitive to brightness.

Ojam: I am in my late 20's. Never been married, and have no kids. I have never had relations with a minor.

Where is all the hostility coming from? Seems like some of the earlier responders forgot to have their wheaties this morning.

[steve.m]

You have to be careful with women that young. They like to tease older men. Most of them are just doing it so they can tell their frends that some older guy was looking at them and tried to chat them up. It helps to boost their self confidence "Men want me."

Do you think young beautyful women don't get hit on all the time by younger men who are much more good looking than you or I? hell yes

Young women teasing older men remind me of myself when I go bass fishing. Its fun to hook and reel them in and watch the big battle of a 4 pounder on the line. But when I lip them and pull the fish in the boat, all the fun is gone, and I just want to throw them back in the lake because they are slimy and not very edible.

From what I have seen happen to myself and others, many young women of 16-18 are too immature for dating, let alone a serious relationship and marriage.

When one young girl kissed me on the cheeck for "fun" in front of her friends on my elevator, I told her I was going to tell her mother. She looked at me shocked. That should tell you something of their maturity level.

IMO don't even bother looking.

[Roninvancouver]

If you still have doubts about what transpired, take the story as purely a hypothetical.

The troll already admitted his "story" was fake to provide mindless entertainment for him.

just like his other one here:


I'm a very reserved guy with a personality to match, and as a result the courting game has been few and far between. Well, the local supermarket recently hired a very pretty little thing; in fact, so pretty, we're not even in the same sport. She's quite attractive, to say the least. The dilemma is whether or not to approach her, and in doing so would I be unfairly putting her in an akward position. We've developed a very comfortable relationship where she checks out my 1-10 items, and I pay for said items. I would hate to spoil what good thing we have going.

If she says no, I will literally die of embarrassment. So embarrassed that I can no longer shop for food and die of starvation as a consequence.

Choices ... :o

got therapy??

http://www.lowellgeneral.org/resources/images/clinical/Rehabilitation/physical%20therapy%20ball.jpg

[devious9191]

The troll already admitted his "story" was fake to provide mindless entertainment for him.

just like his other one here:



got therapy??



It doesn't sound like the poster is the one that needs it... If anyone is looking for some sort of mindless entertainment through confrontation, you're the man Ronin. :) Why don't you go harass the guy in the drooling thread next.. I'm sure he'd love to hear your opinion on that one.

[UrbanPoet]

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hey i wouldnt be too surprised.
I imagine i would still be descently good lookin when im older. I enjoy working out and makiung sure im in amazing condition. so when im on my summer strolls on the beach with my shirt off im sure ill catch some fine hunnies attention ;)

[Keyboard Cowboy]

The troll already admitted his "story" was fake to provide mindless entertainment for him.
No. What he told you was that if you didn't want to believe his story, THEN take it as being hypothetical. There's quite a difference.

[devious9191]

hey i wouldnt be too surprised.
I imagine i would still be descently good lookin when im older. I enjoy working out and makiung sure im in amazing condition. so when im on my summer strolls on the beach with my shirt off im sure ill catch some fine hunnies attention ;)

lol.. if I knew how to post that guys emoticon with the BS flag, you'd be getting it now.

[Roninvancouver]

lol.. if I knew how to post that guys emoticon with the BS flag, you'd be getting it now.

Are you going to cry? Maybe you can ask your mom to help you.

[UrbanPoet]

lol.. if I knew how to post that guys emoticon with the BS flag, you'd be getting it now.


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[devious9191]

Are you going to cry? Maybe you can ask your mom to help you.

Good one :) I was waiting for you to reply with something witty, and as always you deliver right on schedule.

[akito925]

You have to be careful with women that young. They like to tease older men. Most of them are just doing it so they can tell their frends that some older guy was looking at them and tried to chat them up. It helps to boost their self confidence "Men want me."

Do you think young beautyful women don't get hit on all the time by younger men who are much more good looking than you or I? hell yes

Young women teasing older men remind me of myself when I go bass fishing. Its fun to hook and reel them in and watch the big battle of a 4 pounder on the line. But when I lip them and pull the fish in the boat, all the fun is gone, and I just want to throw them back in the lake because they are slimy and not very edible.

From what I have seen happen to myself and others, many young women of 16-18 are too immature for dating, let alone a serious relationship and marriage.

When one young girl kissed me on the cheeck for "fun" in front of her friends on my elevator, I told her I was going to tell her mother. She looked at me shocked. That should tell you something of their maturity level.

IMO don't even bother looking.

I myself know too.. girls 16-20ish.. are too immature for dating etc for any serious relationships.. thye toy around with you.. if you want serious.. try picking up girls 23+.. I learn that in my teen years.. thye just like to toy around.. serious relationships?? hahaha thats funny.. no such.. they don't last long at all.. even you do get a chance to hook it up.. won't last long at all.. I'd dated many, seen many, heard, experience many etc..

[Roninvancouver]

Good one :) I was waiting for you to reply with something witty, and as always you deliver right on schedule.

I got lots of them and I'm glad you did not wait too long after baiting me.

But before this disintegrates into what Jazzhound troll intended it to - you should see that this thread was conceived as fiction not fact. I'm all for fun - but when it is presented to be "true"...well I have a problem with liars. Especially if you do a search on his previous threads and see how he focuses on ray bans and pathetic stories...all written in same effcted storytelling ponce voice.

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[MTL-TechY]

I got lots of them and I'm glad you did not wait too long after baiting me.

But before this disintegrates into what Jazzhound troll intended it to - you should see that this thread was conceived as fiction not fact. I'm all for fun - but when it is presented to be "true"...well I have a problem with liars. Especially if you do a search on his previous threads and see how he focuses on ray bans and pathetic stories...all written in same effcted storytelling ponce voice.

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i think jazzhound is really viper6, so really is mr.ken = all the same stories, hidding behind mr.ken who has 9,999 posts

[d_jedi]

Nothing wrong with looking,
and nothing wrong with touching, either (if she consents.).. well, as long as she's not too young.. (but if you think she's hot, that probably means not too young.. unless your some kind of pedophile..).

BTW: It's legal in Canada to have sex with anyone 14+, so long as you're not in a "position of authority" (ie. teacher, etc. to the kid).. not that I endorse that in any way.

[mbg]

I don't quite get the "Ray-Bans" comment, either. While it may appear like I'm conceited and artificially inflating my self-esteem,

It appears that way because of the Ray-Bans.

[kornstar369]

I'm not all together certain if what I'm about to ask is consonant with RFD guidelines, but here goes.

I take the TTC bus to and from work every day; and today was rather amusing (among other things). I caught a girl nonchalantly gazing at me, hoping I'd reciprocate by smiling or giving her a look back. My sight was on her all that time, but unfortunately for her, I had my Ray-Bans on so she could not be sure. Cutting to the chase -- although she was incredibly attractive, I would wager she was no more than 17 or 18; and I would say that's generous already.

So the question is, do you older gents, possibly even those with kids that age, abstain from looking? Frankly, I would be quite shocked if the majority would deny themselves this harmless pleasure. I personally do not feel looking is at all transgressing; it is a natural impulse to look at beautiful things.

Please share your thoughts, and remember to keep this congenial. I am not a child molestor, pedophile, etc.

:evil:

i so saw that commin! hahaha



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its ok too look at someone younger and to think , wow, that child is beautiful, she will be georgous when sh is alot older and mature....humans like to see beautiful things...especially people...so theres no harm in that BUT it gets harmful if other thougts start poping in your head...thats all

[mrmoe]

i think jazzhound is really viper6, so really is mr.ken = all the same stories, hidding behind mr.ken who has 9,999 posts


I agree!


Cant wait for the next Viper6 post though!!!
I wonder what it will be.....

[webdoctors]

i'd hit it

[Kazaam]

If there's grass on the field..... PLAYBALL!

[Jazzhound]

I learned a long time ago that you can't please everyone, but especially when it concerns a discussion forum. And I tried to refrain from responding to those ridiculous accusations which are baseless and serve no real purpose other than to derail a good engaging talk on what I think is a very controversial, but purposeful topic. It's never easy to ask of someone how they feel about young girls; it isn't exactly fit for dinner conversation. But if RoninVancouver or who ever else feels like they're doing the forum a great service with their tomfoolery nonsense, go ahead.

Understand that the underlying question has nothing to do with me, but the all important dilemma of what is appropriate and what is at least permissable, yet unavoidedly flirts with the boundaries between decency and improperiety. Some may feel "looking but no dirty thoughts" is acceptable behavior, yet fail to consider we're creatures of impulse and instinct. And it may very well be an affliction I, and I alone suffer from, but so-called 'dirty thoughts' and beautiful girls are synonymous. I'm not perfect, but then again, who is? "Let yee that has not sinned cast the first stone", as the saying goes.

Finally, it's not about Ray-Bans, or some problematic member rising from the ashes; and I am by no means renouncing the authenticity of my encounter, but anyone who can read and make simple distinctions, as some have shown, can see it isn't about self aggrandizement.

Long response, but I couldn't sit idly by while the true 'trolls' attack with impunity.

[Jazzhound]

its ok too look at someone younger and to think , wow, that child is beautiful, she will be georgous when sh is alot older and mature....humans like to see beautiful things...especially people...so theres no harm in that BUT it gets harmful if other thougts start poping in your head...thats all

There's no question if someone was looking at a 6 yr old girl in her Sunday dress going to church was attractive, that he is certifiably a pedophile, or one in the making. Is attractive and going to be attractive are two different things, but it's likely thoughts you want to keep private from others. Misunderstandings of this magnitude can get someone in seriously hot (boiling?) water.

I'll have to disagree with the last part of your comment. If you thought long and hard about it, you'll see it's one and the same. :D ;)

[smirnoff]

Shame on you, shooting undetectable glances at hot chicks.....

I'd do the same :cheesygri

[Tricia]

Shame on you, shooting undetectable glances at hot chicks.....

I'd do the same :cheesygri


Me too. And the way 16 y/o dress these days how can you tell the difference between 16 and 20? Besides if you're only looking WTF cares?

UrbanPoet, if that is you in them there pics, I'd like to be staring at you in my ray-bans!!!

[smirnoff]

Maybe she thought you looked like Ray Charles. That's how I'm picturing the situation anyways hehe.

[kornstar369]

If there's grass on the field..... PLAYBALL!


"if it bleeds...it breeds"


"i would do 6 months for that"



ahahahaha

[MTL-TechY]

I learned a long time ago that you can't please everyone, but especially when it concerns a discussion forum. And I tried to refrain from responding to those ridiculous accusations which are baseless and serve no real purpose other than to derail a good engaging talk on what I think is a very controversial, but purposeful topic. It's never easy to ask of someone how they feel about young girls; it isn't exactly fit for dinner conversation. But if RoninVancouver or who ever else feels like they're doing the forum a great service with their tomfoolery nonsense, go ahead.

Understand that the underlying question has nothing to do with me, but the all important dilemma of what is appropriate and what is at least permissable, yet unavoidedly flirts with the boundaries between decency and improperiety. Some may feel "looking but no dirty thoughts" is acceptable behavior, yet fail to consider we're creatures of impulse and instinct. And it may very well be an affliction I, and I alone suffer from, but so-called 'dirty thoughts' and beautiful girls are synonymous. I'm not perfect, but then again, who is? "Let yee that has not sinned cast the first stone", as the saying goes.

Finally, it's not about Ray-Bans, or some problematic member rising from the ashes; and I am by no means renouncing the authenticity of my encounter, but anyone who can read and make simple distinctions, as some have shown, can see it isn't about self aggrandizement.

Long response, but I couldn't sit idly by while the true 'trolls' attack with impunity.


how old are you, geeze don't take everything literaly. I mean, actions have consequences. And stop thinking about it alredy. Imagine if you have a daughter and some guy that looked at her, was thinking the same thing, would like that. I guess NO, so get over it.

[squall458]

Me too. And the way 16 y/o dress these days how can you tell the difference between 16 and 20? Besides if you're only looking WTF cares?

UrbanPoet, if that is you in them there pics, I'd like to be staring at you in my ray-bans!!!

he actually used pics from my body ;) jokes

[kornstar369]

There's no question if someone was looking at a 6 yr old girl in her Sunday dress going to church was attractive, that he is certifiably a pedophile, or one in the making. Is attractive and going to be attractive are two different things, but it's likely thoughts you want to keep private from others. Misunderstandings of this magnitude can get someone in seriously hot (boiling?) water.

I'll have to disagree with the last part of your comment. If you thought long and hard about it, you'll see it's one and the same. :D ;)


i am stating that without having any sexual content involved...ew.

[gh05t]

You have to be careful with women that young. They like to tease older men. Most of them are just doing it so they can tell their frends that some older guy was looking at them and tried to chat them up. It helps to boost their self confidence "Men want me."

Do you think young beautyful women don't get hit on all the time by younger men who are much more good looking than you or I? hell yes

Young women teasing older men remind me of myself when I go bass fishing. Its fun to hook and reel them in and watch the big battle of a 4 pounder on the line. But when I lip them and pull the fish in the boat, all the fun is gone, and I just want to throw them back in the lake because they are slimy and not very edible.

From what I have seen happen to myself and others, many young women of 16-18 are too immature for dating, let alone a serious relationship and marriage.

When one young girl kissed me on the cheeck for "fun" in front of her friends on my elevator, I told her I was going to tell her mother. She looked at me shocked. That should tell you something of their maturity level.

IMO don't even bother looking.


Agreed.

The young uns are physically mature but psychologicaly and emotionally immature but yet still crying out for attention they are not getting from their male peers most of whom are a bit behind in maturity and so seemingly tend to be inviting to older men.

Men must however realise that the law and societies conventions are not on his side and resist all temptation.

The young uns are still at the impressionable age of fairytale romances, marriages to princes etc and really not in control of their emotions yet alone their hormones.

My thinking is that a guy would notice young uns until he has his first daughter and starts thinking about when he will have to bring out the baseball bats for horny teenage guys after his blossoming babe.

I have always been attracted to older women because older women exhibit a confidence and certainty about their actions that is much stronger and reassuring than what you would get of teenage girls.

With the statutory rape laws and stuff and uncertainty about teenagers actions and emotions, it is always best to stay away from the young uns regardless of how inviting they may be.

The young uns like to be noticed because they are going through that stage where they want to be noticed by boys and because some of the boys may be immature or shy the young uns don't mind the attention of older men to compensate for the lack of recognition from their male peers to reinforce that they are attractive.

If you are not an attractive older guy chances are you risk being called a perv.

Once overheard 2 girls talking during summer that the male teacher was peeking up their skirts during class and that he was a perv.
Both of these girls had on like 12inch skirts.

These girls are dunce to the extent that they have to take summer school yet they will all get grade A's in fashion and makeup as they are up to date on the sexiest fashions and makeup that will make them seem more mature and attractive.

The girls dress to attract mostly guys in their age group but because of differences in maturity of these guys some crave attention from older men and even when they do not, because of the way they present themselves, they also receive unwanted attention from older non Brad Pittesque me whom the girls might be repulsed by.

Because of the nature of a man's sexual response from a vouyeuristic perspective he has to be careful not to get carried away for the laws are designed to come down harder on men for sexual misconduct than women, obviously because men are often more inclined to offend again because of the animalistic and primal nature of his sexual response.

Anyways looking,staring and flirting are different things when visual contact between 2 persons take place in certain ways and with certain durations and obviously one has to know what he is doing and the impression he wants to present from his gestures.

An aggressive woman is more likely to get away with more and in fact encouraged by the man to go further without any repercussions than a man can with a woman when it comes to sexual flirting.

women are in control of many aspects of men's lives and most importantly that of sex.

Women call the shots and most prudent men know enough to be careful and let her call the shots intead of holding himself out and taking impulsive privileges and intiatives that could land him in a lot of trouble.

This is at the expense of seeming dull, unromantic and not passionate but considering what these things can lead to(jail for sexual harassment etc) if acted upon, it's better to remain dull and sexuallly unresponsive and repressed especially with women you are uncertain of or not intimately acquainted with or know well enough.

Sexual repression is a hard thing to swallow but we all have to live and abide by society's mores and conventions.

[Markyhour]

Hit it.. and split it in 2 like the junior mafia, what the hells stopping yah?

[kornstar369]

Hit it.. and split it in 2 like the junior mafia, what the hells stopping yah?

haha

your going to jail

[Markyhour]

haha

your going to jail


she told me she was 19

[kornstar369]

she told me she was 19

ok, i take that bak
lol

[mbg]

Why don't you ask your wife and children what to do about it? They are the ones who will be affected. It doesn't matter what people on this forum say.

[MTL-TechY]

Why don't you ask your wife and children what to do about it? They are the ones who will be affected. It doesn't matter what people on this forum say.

if he talks to the wife, won't she start having doubts about their wedding vows, i say, keep to yourself or go see a shrink if this problem persists. I'm not saying you have a problem, but don't tell people you care about, as they may question your past and future actions with them. Go see someone who'll be objective to your case, like a shrink. Don't let it go on like this

[kornstar369]

theres just some things you cant discuss with your other half...that why we have friends right?

[Tricia]

Why don't you ask your wife and children what to do about it? They are the ones who will be affected. It doesn't matter what people on this forum say.


OMG you are right. I dunno what I was thinking all my life looking at attractive people. I'm going right now to get a blindfold and STOP LOOKING AT PEOPLE, and I suggest everyone who said he was ok looking do the same. :rolleyes: