Official Playstation 3 Thread

[sfu_lifer]

Wait, doesn't MS own the GeOW IP? I know MS funneled quite a bit of $$$ Epic's way to get it done not to mention they put their best guys to support Epic during the development phase just to get it done right.

And to HUH, yes the wheels should work. My old Logitech PS2 wheel (pre-Pro) worked just fine. In fact they should work for most of the PS3 racers as well.

[CFRTim]

Wait, doesn't MS own the GeOW IP? I know MS funneled quite a bit of $$$ Epic's way to get it done not to mention they put their best guys to support Epic during the development phase just to get it done right.

And to HUH, yes the wheels should work. My old Logitech PS2 wheel (pre-Pro) worked just fine. In fact they should work for most of the PS3 racers as well.

I've been trying to explain this for the last couple of posts, but I give up. Now I read something about GOW2...?!? The debate was over GOW

[BigBadBoo]

Wait, doesn't MS own the GeOW IP? I know MS funneled quite a bit of $$$ Epic's way to get it done not to mention they put their best guys to support Epic during the development phase just to get it done right.


I dunno about the IP part, but the other things are true. There is no way in hell MS will allow Gears 2 to be on anything but its own platform. Lets just say what MS did to help Epic goes above and beyond what any normal publisher would have done.

[Kurtz7834]

Gears of War, or any future sequels will not be coming out for PS3. Ever. I don't know who started this rumour. At best you may get a PC port.

On another note, I recently got a PS3, but it does not seem like there are any games worth buying right now, that I can't already play on my 360. I guess I'll wait until this fall.

I really like the PS3 though, it is great for streaming wireless video via TVersity. I like the possibilities of using it as a PC in the future, or running Linux.

Trying Linux, it is NOT ready for primetime on the PS3, too buggy (I tried Ubuntu and Yellow Dog). I'll try again in 6 months.

[maebach]

When I used TVersity with my 360, the quality wasnt that great. Is it better for the PS3? Does Sony have a software that we could use? Or do we only have TVersity?

[blahblohblah]

Why is price back up to $699 at Best buy?
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926INGFS10075271&catid=24376&logon=&langid=EN

[mark_in_2k]

When I used TVersity with my 360, the quality wasnt that great. Is it better for the PS3? Does Sony have a software that we could use? Or do we only have TVersity?I use TVersity on both the 360 and my PS3.

Quality on the PS3 was great using TVersity's on-the-fly encoding, but I did adjust the resolution settings in TVersity to my TV's max of 1920 x 1080p.

[blahblohblah]

Is anyone using Slingbox with PS3?

[CFRTim]

Why is price back up to $699 at Best buy?
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926INGFS10075271&catid=24376&logon=&langid=EN

Good time for a PM

[Deals Deals Deals]

Are all PS3s made in China?

[maebach]

Why is price back up to $699 at Best buy?
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926INGFS10075271&catid=24376&logon=&langid=EN

I noticed that as well. I thought it was a mistake.


I use TVersity on both the 360 and my PS3.

Quality on the PS3 was great using TVersity's on-the-fly encoding, but I did adjust the resolution settings in TVersity to my TV's max of 1920 x 1080p.

thanks

[rdtx2002]

Are all PS3s made in China?

does it matter?

[BaconMunch]

Why is price back up to $699 at Best buy?
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926INGFS10075271&catid=24376&logon=&langid=EN

At $549 for me. Funny that instore availability is none for Heartland, Kitchener, and Scarborough for me. Is that possible? I don't remember NOT seeing PS3's on shelves everywhere I went this weekend.

[blainehamilton]

Price goes back to $699 after the 60GB units are sold out. At the rate things are going, that will take a few months at least...

[sfu_lifer]

Price goes back to $699 after the 60GB units are sold out. At the rate things are going, that will take a few months at least...

Actually that's just an assumption on our part. We don't know how much the 80GB models will go for. We just know the bundle will raise it up to $699.

I changed my pre-order to Heavenly Sword from Lair. Lair has gotten some nasty reviews from places like EGM.

[BoxsterS]

Price goes back to $699 after the 60GB units are sold out. At the rate things are going, that will take a few months at least...

Care to bet your account on it?

[CFRTim]

Price goes back to $699 after the 60GB units are sold out. At the rate things are going, that will take a few months at least...


Care to bet your account on it?

Is it the price or the time, you want him to bet on, or both?

[ATLien69]

Wow really? Liar is gonna be a bad game??? I thought it ain't out for a few weeks still....any online reviews popped up yet???



Actually that's just an assumption on our part. We don't know how much the 80GB models will go for. We just know the bundle will raise it up to $699.

I changed my pre-order to Heavenly Sword from Lair. Lair has gotten some nasty reviews from places like EGM.

[Primetyme]

Wow really? Liar is gonna be a bad game??? I thought it ain't out for a few weeks still....any online reviews popped up yet???


Really? Only review I could come up with at gamerankings.com was a 9/10. I hope it turns out good as I did the trade 4 promo at blockbuster just for the heck of it, not knowing much about the game.

http://gamers-creed.com/?p=80

[Marlek]

At this point it's a forum leak of a print magazine:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=175237

Looks fairly credible because of the overall details. Sad - I was really looking forward to this.

Good thing Heavenly Sword has now reached "must buy" status after the demo :lol:

[rahzel]

I changed my pre-order to Heavenly Sword from Lair. Lair has gotten some nasty reviews from places like EGM.
EGM is known for giving crappy reviews. they gave Kameo a 6/10. Play magazine is usually known for giving any game a high score but it got a 9/10 there.

the main complaint with EGM is the controls i believe, but thats something you should try for yourself. but yeah, maybe it is a good idea to change your pre-order but i would take EGM's review with a pinch of salt.

btw, theres supposed to be a Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 demo on the Euro PSN on Thursday. hopefully well get the Ratchet & Clank demo on the N/A PSN too.

[sfu_lifer]

I really wanna try the new Ratchet and Clank (despite stories it's just a graphics upgrade). I knew a few people that went to E3 and they all complained about Lair's controls (esp on the ground) and near monochromatic textures. I want eye candy but I also want a playable game. The EGM review just confirmed it for me. They've been accused of being Sony fanboys for the longest time so they must really hate it to give it such low scores.
And Play gave Sonic 360 an 8.5. That just kills all credibility from them for me.

[maebach]

Im really looking forward to LAIR and Assassins Creed. I hope those two arent dissappointing

[jeffyjaixx]

Okay, finally took a crap load of pics of Heavenly Sword on my new Dell 2407WFP-HC.

I tried my best to get some close-ups... but as you can see. It's pretty hard.

This is going to take a couple of posts.

Enjoy :).

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[jeffyjaixx]

Continued...

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[jeffyjaixx]

Continued...

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[jeffyjaixx]

Continued...

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[jeffyjaixx]

Finally...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/jeffyjaixx/2007_0730heavenlysword0242.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/jeffyjaixx/2007_0730heavenlysword20298.jpg

This is basically the entire demo in a nutshell lol.

Nothing beats seeing this in motion. If you haven't tried this demo, you should go and do it now!

[sfu_lifer]

Geez dude. A few shots would've been enough :evil:
Get a blog and link there instead.

[jeffyjaixx]

Geez dude. A few shots would've been enough :evil:
Get a blog and link there instead.

My bad my bad hehe.

[Asad_A203]

That looks nice. I'm not sure if its GOW quality though, kinda hard to tell but still looks hella nice.

[GunnerX]

Played through the demo once and that was more than enough for me. Not my kind of gameplay. Her hair still annoys the hell out of me. It just doesn't look right!! Went through the combo list and was able to do some of the combos but gave up after a while and just kept on mashing the two buttons and got some good results lol! The counter animations are rather repetitive though. Saw the neck breaking ani about 3 times. The slashing one between the guys legs is pretty funny though. Didn't like the overuse of blurring at all. Ugh! I pray the full game has a lot more to offer. If it's more of the same it's gonna get boring rather quickly.

[sfu_lifer]

Played through the demo once and that was more than enough for me. Not my kind of gameplay. Her hair still annoys the hell out of me. It just doesn't look right!! Went through the combo list and was able to do some of the combos but gave up after a while and just kept on mashing the two buttons and got some good results lol! The counter animations are rather repetitive though. Saw the neck breaking ani about 3 times. The slashing one between the guys legs is pretty funny though. Didn't like the overuse of blurring at all. Ugh! I pray the full game has a lot more to offer. If it's more of the same it's gonna get boring rather quickly.

It'd better offer more. That demo was over in 5 minutes or less :lol:
I still think there are more unlockables in there somehow. That can't be it for a 996MB download.

[rahzel]

That looks nice. I'm not sure if its GOW quality though, kinda hard to tell but still looks hella nice.
assuming you mean visually (i'm assuming so because i can't see how you'd compare gameplay with screenshots) HS looks WAY better than GoW...

i personally think HS plays a lot better than GoW. GoW is too much of a hack and slash game to me, but its still good. HS is like a mix of GoW and NG but more like Ninja Gaiden (not quite as hard though).

[GunnerX]

This is what happens when you don't pay your Cell bill (http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6616&Itemid=2).

And EGM's review of Lair:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y14/knowitman/Gaming/IMG_1646.jpg

[maebach]

That sucks, Im really looking forward to that game. I love fantasy novels/movies/games and I'll probably never grow out of loving dragons and knights and sword fights, lol.

[rahzel]

again, wait for reviews from like IGN or GS.

[jeffyjaixx]

I've played through Heavenly Sword about 10 times now. Each time I learn something new i.e. different combo's, different styles of fighting, different blocking techniques, different counters etc.

I can't wait for the full game!


This is what happens when you don't pay your Cell bill (http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6616&Itemid=2).

And EGM's review of Lair:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y14/knowitman/Gaming/IMG_1646.jpg

I'll wait for IGN's review. :lol:

[maebach]

again, wait for reviews from like IGN or GS.

word.

@jeffyjaixx - such nice picture on the HDTV. I cant wait to get my PS3 and HDTV.

[GunnerX]

word.

@jeffyjaixx - such nice picture on the HDTV. I cant wait to get my PS3 and HDTV.

You should see it on a SHARP Aquos LC-52D92U (http://www.sharp.ca/products/index.asp?cat=30&id=672). :D Playing the PS3 and Xbox 360 at 1080p is great. Too bad Heavenly Sword is only 720p.

[CFRTim]

What is this, LAIR? Get the fcuk out of the way, here comes Project Offset. A first-person shooter set in an epic fantasy world, running on a in-house engine, The Offset Engine, a newbie development house made of just 19 developers. This game looks AMAZING in its early stages, generating lots of buzz around it. Still no word if it's coming to consoles, but I think it will.

HD http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_projectoffset_videos.html

640x360 divX http://www.projectoffset.com/media/project_offset_august2005_640x360.avi

[Firebot]

This is what happens when you don't pay your Cell bill (http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6616&Itemid=2).

I have no love for Sony, but I hope they win the case and counter-sue those moron patent squatters. US patent laws are ridiculous.

[jeffyjaixx]

I have no love for Sony, but I hope they win the case and counter-sue those moron patent squatters. US patent laws are ridiculous.

That company will be finished and done with by IBM before it can even touch Sony.

[BoxsterS]

What is this, LAIR? Get the fcuk out of the way, here comes Project Offset. A first-person shooter set in an epic fantasy world, running on a in-house engine, The Offset Engine, a newbie development house made of just 19 developers. This game looks AMAZING in its early stages, generating lots of buzz around it. Still no word if it's coming to consoles, but I think it will.

HD http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_projectoffset_videos.html

640x360 divX http://www.projectoffset.com/media/project_offset_august2005_640x360.avi

Ahh, Project Offset - the Duke Nukem Forever of the Indie scene.

[sfu_lifer]

I have no love for Sony, but I hope they win the case and counter-sue those moron patent squatters. US patent laws are ridiculous.

I hope they nail these patent trolls.
Why isn't Toshiba and IBM mentioned in the suit? They're co-developers.

[sannin]

Just seeing the lighting effects of HS makes me want to get a PS3 already. (i'm still waiting for MGS4!)

[BoxsterS]

Finally...

This is basically the entire demo in a nutshell lol.

Nothing beats seeing this in motion. If you haven't tried this demo, you should go and do it now!

Thanks for posting each and every frame :)

[BoxsterS]

I hope they nail these patent trolls.
Why isn't Toshiba and IBM mentioned in the suit? They're co-developers.

They should go after IBM because that's where the majority of the development originated from. But, they're smart. They know IBM will crush them in litigation hell, just as they're doing with SCO, and then counter sue them recover legal fees, thus bankrupting them.

The company in question has a pattern of purchasing old patents and then going after companies which it thinks infringes upon them. That's basically their angle and when you're based out of the most litigious country in the world, well then, that just also happens to be your business model.

[CFRTim]

Ahh, Project Offset - the Duke Nukem Forever of the Indie scene.

That's not fair, you can't compare Project Offset with DNF. Here is a gameplay video for internal purposes only that was accidentally leaked to the net. DNF please......

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/22926.html

[GunnerX]

Nothing wrong with Duke Nukem Forever. It's great fun and I play it at least twice a day!

[BoxsterS]

That's not fair, you can't compare Project Offset with DNF. Here is a gameplay video for internal purposes only that was accidentally leaked to the net. DNF please......

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/22926.html

Wasn't this project announced in 2005? And when are they going to begin shipping the game? I don't think they're even close. Incidentally, whatever buzz they had in 2006 went away when they were easily surpassed by the games being released this year. I also saw the demo, and as expected, it was nothing special.

[maebach]

Could someone post what they got in the box with their PS3? Im byuing it off a RFDer and I just wanted to know the contents.

System
Manuals
Controller
Controller Charging cable?
POwer Cable
Ethernet?
Composite
Component?

[rahzel]

more rumored Lair review scores.
http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=136834

EGM ---5.5 (6 ,5.5 ,5.0)

PLAY UK --9.0

GAMEZONE --9.0

EDGE ---9.0 (LEAKED . the papaerback magazine would be out in a few days)

GAMEPRO --7.5 (praised everything except the controls)
looking at some of EGM's reviews, i'm not going to trust any of them (including 1up). i honestly can't see the controls being that bad. i mean, they've worked on it a lot and thats one of the most important things to nail, especially considering (i think) that you can only use the sixaxis.

in other news, PS3 sold 38000 units this past week in Japan nearly tripling its previous week (which was the highest total for a while). Minna no Golf 5 (Hot Shots Golf 5 i think) was the reason for this big spike and it sold 176000 in its first week.

[rdtx2002]

Could someone post what they got in the box with their PS3? Im byuing it off a RFDer and I just wanted to know the contents.

System
Manuals
Controller
Controller Charging cable?
POwer Cable
Ethernet?
Composite
Component?

i remember seeing that it comes with a remote and ps2 memory card adapter

[rahzel]

mine was an open box return but i'm pretty sure the PS3 doesn't come with a component cable or a memory card adapter.

[icecold2021]

And EGM's review of Lair:


lame... this game is the reason i bought a ps3. i hope its better than a 6

[rahzel]

lame... this game is the reason i bought a ps3. i hope its better than a 6
EGM's reviews are crap. look at some of the other rumored reviews i posted above; they have just as much credibility as the EGM review as they are all rumors.

[maebach]

So it comes with:

System
Manuals
Controller
Controller Charging cable
POwer Cable
Ethernet
Composite



@rdtx2002 - you dont have a PS3?

[GunnerX]

So it comes with:

System
Manuals
Controller
Controller Charging cable
POwer Cable
Ethernet
Composite



@rdtx2002 - you dont have a PS3?

He says he had one, then sold it then said he bought it. I don't know if he has still has it. :confused:

[nfnx]

i remember seeing that it comes with a remote and ps2 memory card adapter

haha

[rdtx2002]

haha


it was in the IGN PS3 box that they got pre-launch.

[rdtx2002]

He says he had one, then sold it then said he bought it. I don't know if he has still has it. :confused:

currently I don't have one, I'm looking to pick one up shortly before the BluRay promotion is gone.

[sfu_lifer]

it was in the IGN PS3 box that they got pre-launch.
No PS3's ever got it (even at launch). Theirs must be Sony given PS3's so prolly came with better cables that what we got :evil:
And the EGM review is not a rumor. I read on Kotaku about people complaining about the controls too (just like my friends did). I haven't seen played one game that controlled well with just the sixaxis so far (including fl0w). The closest for me was that rubber ducky game.
But hopefully they put out a Lair demo. I'm a sucker for eye candy and I'm ready to buy it if it controls well and has a decent story.
So maebach, what was in my package:
- manuals
- usb charging cable (so damn short)
- ps2/ps3 RCA connectors (lame)
- Talladega Nights Blu-Ray
- one sixaxis
- ps3
- AC cord

[maebach]

So maebach, what was in my package:
- manuals
- usb charging cable (so damn short)
- ps2/ps3 RCA connectors (lame)
- Talladega Nights Blu-Ray
- one sixaxis
- ps3
- AC cord

thanks, I had one more question. Do all PS3's come with Talledega Nights? Or was it some Promo or the first shipment of PS3's that had this movie?

[GunnerX]

thanks, I had one more question. Do all PS3's come with Talledega Nights? Or was it some Promo or the first shipment of PS3's that had this movie?

Just a promo with the first batch of PS3s. I didn't have one in mine.

[sfu_lifer]

Just a promo with the first batch of PS3s. I didn't have one in mine.
You're not missing much. Crap transfer, no extras and it's only funny if you're a redneck.
I wish they gave us Casino Royale instead like what the Europeans got :(

[rdtx2002]

PS3 has hit 6 million, PSP has hit 25 million

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/808/808656/au-sony-experience-more-event-coverage-20070726113933269.jpg

and a blurb from the Sony Annual report:

"Beginning with the quarter ended July 30, 2007, the method of reporting hardware and software units has been changed from production shipments to recorded sales."

[zerocool24]

i remember seeing that it comes with a remote and ps2 memory card adapter

definitely not true, thats why they sell the remote for 40 bucks at most places i believe blockbuster is the cheapest at 29.99, and the memory card adapter for 19.99, they gotta gouge people. Although i do find it funny that one of the biggest backers of the ps3 on these forums doesnt even have one.

the usb cable is only like 2 feet, i bought a third party one (don't remember the name) for like 8 bucks at walmart, its dumb cause you only get the one cable with the system, and it isnt included in the wireless controllers.

[zerocool24]

You're not missing much. Crap transfer, no extras and it's only funny if you're a redneck.
I wish they gave us Casino Royale instead like what the Europeans got :(

i bought it on dvd and i didnt find it nearly as funny as i was hoping, there were funny scenes but overall i was very disappointed.

[rdtx2002]

definitely not true, thats why they sell the remote for 40 bucks at most places i believe blockbuster is the cheapest at 29.99, and the memory card adapter for 19.99, they gotta gouge people. Although i do find it funny that one of the biggest backers of the ps3 on these forums doesnt even have one.

i had 2 already and sold them and will get another one.

[maebach]

With 120 million PS2s sold, SCE must have made ALOT of profit no? Why do people say Sony's going to end and stuff?

[sfu_lifer]

With 120 million PS2s sold, SCE must have made ALOT of profit no? Why do people say Sony's going to end and stuff?

Because people want arrogant Sony to fail. I don't mind them at a close 2nd or 3rd just because the added competition would be the best for consumers.
SCE made a lot of profit over the past 10 years but have been swimming in red since the ps3 debut'ed despite the profits on psp and ps2. Still their losses are nothing compared to Microsoft's screwups with the Xbox line. Their latest debacle hurt them quite a bit (RROL and their refusal to acknowledge it for the longest time). The thing with Sony is, for the longest time, their gaming division kept them profitable but since a little before the PS3 came out, it's been horrible. Once they get their costs in line, it should be better since their other divisions are producing profits pretty well.
And can someone verify that the method of reporting is units sold to consumers and not sold to retailers? Before it was units shipped to warehouses according to the folks at NGAF. Nintendo is still reporting sales to consumers and not to retailers. Big difference there (as in the case of Microsoft and their padding tactics).

[maebach]

Because people want arrogant Sony to fail. I don't mind them at a close 2nd or 3rd just because the added competition would be the best for consumers.
SCE made a lot of profit over the past 10 years but have been swimming in red since the ps3 debut'ed despite the profits on psp and ps2. Still their losses are nothing compared to Microsoft's screwups with the Xbox line. Their latest debacle hurt them quite a bit (RROL and their refusal to acknowledge it for the longest time). The thing with Sony is, for the longest time, their gaming division kept them profitable but since a little before the PS3 came out, it's been horrible. Once they get their costs in line, it should be better since their other divisions are producing profits pretty well.


Thanks. I didnt know Sony was losing alot of money on the PS3. I knew they messed up a bit, but I didnt think it was that much. As for MS, I hated how they sold the deffective console, but their marketing and tactics work. I cant wait until the PS3 brings out all the sequals to the games that made the PS2 so good. I think I might get God of War for the PS3 first. I missed it in the last generation because I had a NGC. So I get to do some catching up. Also, can I play PS games on the PS3? or do I have to buy them and dl them online?

[sfu_lifer]

Thanks. I didnt know Sony was losing alot of money on the PS3. I knew they messed up a bit, but I didnt think it was that much. As for MS, I hated how they sold the deffective console, but their marketing and tactics work. I cant wait until the PS3 brings out all the sequals to the games that made the PS2 so good. I think I might get God of War for the PS3 first. I missed it in the last generation because I had a NGC. So I get to do some catching up. Also, can I play PS games on the PS3? or do I have to buy them and dl them online?

Yup just about full PS1 and PS2 BC for those of us with the hardware emotion engine units.
Actually Microsoft's ad agencies have SUCKED esp in Japan. Not as bad as Sony's PS3 ad agency but still crappy. With the software lineup, the 360 should have a larger lead.

[xjohnx]

Lair delayed (Sept 4th) ... http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/08/01/lair-update

Having doubts about this game with the reviews and such now, probably just a rental.

[ATLien69]

WTF? And if you go to the developer blog at: http://www.worch.com/news/news.html

He says the game is "off to duplication" already!!?!?!

I think they may be pulling a "Calling All Cars".... lol....



Lair delayed (Sept 4th) ... http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/08/01/lair-update

Having doubts about this game with the reviews and such now, probably just a rental.

[Emancipated]

PS3 has hit 6 million, PSP has hit 25 million

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/808/808656/au-sony-experience-more-event-coverage-20070726113933269.jpg

and a blurb from the Sony Annual report:

"Beginning with the quarter ended July 30, 2007, the method of reporting hardware and software units has been changed from production shipments to recorded sales."

Wow, they are catching up. 6 Million in about 8 months compared to Xbox360 which has been in the retail channel since Christmas 2006 and their sales have stalled at 10million?

[maebach]

Like the other two consoles that sony has made, do you guys think this will reach the 100 million mark?

[rahzel]

Wow, they are catching up. 6 Million in about 8 months compared to Xbox360 which has been in the retail channel since Christmas 2006 and their sales have stalled at 10million?
i'm almost positive those are shipped numbers. those numbers are as of March 2007, and Sony even said they plan to ship 6m consoles worldwide as of March. MS and i guess now Sony post shipped numbers as sold.

as for actual sales, Sony is sitting right about where MS was after the same amount of time which is not bad considering the slow start and that 2008 is definitely going to be Sony's strongest year.

[sfu_lifer]

i'm almost positive those are shipped numbers. those numbers are as of March 2007, and Sony even said they plan to ship 6m consoles worldwide as of March. MS and i guess now Sony post shipped numbers as sold.

as for actual sales, Sony is sitting right about where MS was after the same amount of time which is not bad considering the slow start and that 2008 is definitely going to be Sony's strongest year.

This xmas is gonna be interesting. I'm hoping for massive pricedrops/bundles (save for the Wii since it still seems to be selling like crazy). 360 seems to be dead in the water in Japan and even Europe (except for the UK). I'm surprised they haven't been firing people left and right in those 2 territories.

[Sheky]

Question about using PS2 saves on the PS3.

I have a ShartPort for the PS2 so I can transfer saves onto the PC. Is it possible to transfer the saves on my PC to an SD card and then transfer the saves to the PS3? I don't have the Sharkport with me to test it right now though. :/

[maebach]

This xmas is gonna be interesting. I'm hoping for massive pricedrops/bundles (save for the Wii since it still seems to be selling like crazy). 360 seems to be dead in the water in Japan and even Europe (except for the UK). I'm surprised they haven't been firing people left and right in those 2 territories.

the first xbox didnt fly well in Japan either. Japan is all for Sony/Nintendo

[Anteros]

i'm almost positive those are shipped numbers. those numbers are as of March 2007, and Sony even said they plan to ship 6m consoles worldwide as of March. MS and i guess now Sony post shipped numbers as sold.

as for actual sales, Sony is sitting right about where MS was after the same amount of time which is not bad considering the slow start and that 2008 is definitely going to be Sony's strongest year.

Actually, they are the sold number but to retailers - they don't look at end user sales. Each retailer could have 30 Playstation 3s sitting on shelves but Sony would still count them as sold.

[CFRTim]

Question about using PS2 saves on the PS3.

I have a ShartPort for the PS2 so I can transfer saves onto the PC. Is it possible to transfer the saves on my PC to an SD card and then transfer the saves to the PS3? I don't have the Sharkport with me to test it right now though. :/

I'm sorry, a ShartPort, lol. Is it one of those wet farts, fallowed by some ****, hence the word shart

[CFRTim]

Wow, they are catching up. 6 Million in about 8 months compared to Xbox360 which has been in the retail channel since Christmas 2006 and their sales have stalled at 10million?

On July 27 SONY reported that "A total of 4.48 million PS3's have been sold at retail thus far, with a mere 0.71 million of that number sold during Q1 2007". So when and how did the extra 1.52 mil. units come into the picture a 2-3 days later?
http://www.psu.com/Worldwide-PS3-sales-total-448-million--a785-p0.php

[jeffyjaixx]

Thanks. I didnt know Sony was losing alot of money on the PS3. I knew they messed up a bit, but I didnt think it was that much. As for MS, I hated how they sold the deffective console, but their marketing and tactics work. I cant wait until the PS3 brings out all the sequals to the games that made the PS2 so good. I think I might get God of War for the PS3 first. I missed it in the last generation because I had a NGC. So I get to do some catching up. Also, can I play PS games on the PS3? or do I have to buy them and dl them online?

They were losing money with the original 2 SKU's but with the new 80GB model coming out and with the EE removed... they are actually making profit now.

[crimsona]

They were losing money with the original 2 SKU's but with the new 80GB model coming out and with the EE removed... they are actually making profit now.

Highly doubtful, as there was an investor conference call in which Sony claimed they expect to break even at the end of the fiscal year... which is March 2008

[CFRTim]

Highly doubtful, as there was an investor conference call in which Sony claimed they expect to break even at the end of the fiscal year... which is March 2008
Sounds about right; they still need to complete the move to 65nm, before a profit can be made

[rdtx2002]

On July 27 SONY reported that "A total of 4.48 million PS3's have been sold at retail thus far, with a mere 0.71 million of that number sold during Q1 2007". So when and how did the extra 1.52 mil. units come into the picture a 2-3 days later?
http://www.psu.com/Worldwide-PS3-sales-total-448-million--a785-p0.php

the 6 million came as 'shipped' number as of Mar 07. and as of June 30, 2007, all future numbers will be the amount of "recorded sales" (whatever that means)

[BaconMunch]

Highly doubtful, as there was an investor conference call in which Sony claimed they expect to break even at the end of the fiscal year... which is March 2008

Which is even more doubtful because I think the Xbox360 is still in the red after all this time. While the PS3 doesn't suffer the hardware problems the xbox360 does, I read that the game attach rate for the PS3 has to be anywhere between 9-18 games for Sony to break even.

I can't wait to see ads/media to infiltrate PSHome just the way apps have invaded Facebook.

[Sheky]

I'm sorry, a ShartPort, lol. Is it one of those wet farts, fallowed by some ****, hence the word shart

Typo. Sharkport

[jeffyjaixx]

Highly doubtful, as there was an investor conference call in which Sony claimed they expect to break even at the end of the fiscal year... which is March 2008

Sorry, meant "starting to make profit now".

[blues45]

GTA4 just got delayed til next year for both 360 and PS3

http://ir.take2games.com/ReleaseDetail.cfm?ReleaseID=258238

"Take-Two is reducing its fiscal 2007 guidance primarily to reflect the movement of the launch of Grand Theft Auto IV for the PLAYSTATION®3 computer entertainment system and the Xbox 360™ video game and entertainment system from the fourth quarter of fiscal 2007 to fiscal 2008, due to additional development time required to complete the title. The title is now planned for release in the Company's second quarter of fiscal 2008."

that sucks i have it pre-ordered

Lair is delayed as well


anyone play Vegas online?
is it active like the 360 version or is it dead like the PC version?
i liked the 360 version alot, my favorite 360 game and i just wanna see if the PS3 online will be as good my 360 experience

[sfu_lifer]

Sorry, meant "starting to make profit now".

Highly doubtful esp after the recent pricedrop/firesale. One of their Japanese VPs actually said the low PS3 sales helped contribute to less than expected losses :lol:
I know a few PS3 owners now and not very many are buying games. They are buying Blu-Ray movies (even then, not that often) but not games. So PS3 is still helping Sony's bottomline but the game division specifically will likely lose money for quite some time. It's gonna be a tough slog for the near term for everybody other than Nintendo.

[rahzel]

that sucks i have it pre-ordered

Lair is delayed as well


anyone play Vegas online?
is it active like the 360 version or is it dead like the PC version?
i liked the 360 version alot, my favorite 360 game and i just wanna see if the PS3 online will be as good my 360 experience
from what i hear, its quite active. there are quite a few people at AVSForum alone that play online together. i just bought it and it should be here tomorrow.

btw, for those that don't know, GRAW2 demo is on the N/A PSN. they also added The Darkness demo but i'm sure most of you got that from the european PSN before. theres also some other stuff.

[sfu_lifer]

Dammit! Stupid EA. My MOMO doesn't work with Nascar '08.
I don't understand, it worked fine in NFS and it works great with F1.
Back to EB it goes as a trade-in :(

[maebach]

Could the delay of LAIR be to fix controls? Or at least make them a bit better?


Dammit! Stupid EA. My MOMO doesn't work with Nascar '08.
I don't understand, it worked fine in NFS and it works great with F1.
Back to EB it goes as a trade-in :(

whats a MOMO?

[rollen]

Could the delay of LAIR be to fix controls? Or at least make them a bit better?



whats a MOMO?

i heard it's because of the online content management, etc...but then again, that could be a cover-up for the potential problem with the controls.

[sfu_lifer]

Could the delay of LAIR be to fix controls? Or at least make them a bit better?



whats a MOMO?

Logitech MOMO racing wheel for the PC. Works fantastic with the GT4/GTHD on the PS3. I don't mind games being delayed (to be released eventually) so long as they fix whatever's broken. Maybe EGM will re-review Lair. I was very much looking forward to it.

[rahzel]

Takuhi on a Neogaf Lair thread:

We (Play) received the same review copy that I assume all the other mags did, which had optimized frame rates in the earlier missions, but poor frame rates in the last few missions and several bugs. We contacted Factor 5 and asked for all known issues and Julian himself replied with a detailed list, promising that the later levels were being optimized for frame rates, the bugs were being fixed, and that one aspect of the control would be improved. They said they would have a gold master candidate ready by our ship date, so I wrote the review on the assumptions that their promises would be kept, got the gold master candidate right before we went to press, and played that version for a few hours to confirm that they had addressed the issues. That gold master candidate was dated roughly a month ago, and as far as I know represents the game's final optimization.

I'm not sure what version the OP played—ours were never labeled "Preview Code", but a print mag's Review Code is sometimes a web site's Preview Code. Our last-received version of the game does not run at a rock-solid 30 fps, but I did not consider the frame rate problems to be an issue at all. I don't mind a few frame rate dips into the 20's here and there, if it's for the purpose of making an otherwise amazing looking game. I'm certainly not as sensitive to frame rate issues as the OP, but I don't think the average game enthusiast is either.

Just something to point out to the people who want to hate on Lair here—Sony and Factor 5 went all out to make sure the print mags got review copies as early as possible and frequent updates so that they could have reviews out before the game's release (which was at that point supposed to be August 8th, I think). Companies do NOT do that when they don't have a lot of faith in their games, so clearly both Factor 5 and Sony thought they had a critical hit on their hands, and any suggestion that they're trying to bury it or "send it out to die" is absurd. And having written the 9 review, I (obviously) agree.

[maebach]

cool. I cant wait to play.

[CFRTim]

whats a MOMO?

Based in Italy, MOMO is one of the most prestigious, if not the best, name for racing parts accessories. Ferraris usually come factory equipped with MOMO steering wheel , shift knob and pedals, etc

http://www.momo.it/

[maebach]

Based in Italy, MOMO is one of the most prestigious, if not the best, name for racing parts accessories. Ferraris usually come factory equipped with MOMO steering wheel , shift knob and pedals, etc

http://www.momo.it/

thanks. I jsut checked on wiki as well

[ATLien69]

I have a nice factory stock MOMO steering wheel on my WRX. ;)



Based in Italy, MOMO is one of the most prestigious, if not the best, name for racing parts accessories. Ferraris usually come factory equipped with MOMO steering wheel , shift knob and pedals, etc

http://www.momo.it/

[rahzel]

http://utforums.epicgames.com/showpost.php?p=24959895&postcount=1

Folks,

I checked with Steve Polge and he said that YES we are supporting keyboard and mouse in Unreal Tournament 3 on PS3. He is confident we are doing it in a way that will be balanced without feeling "gimped" for either side. We'll also allow people to choose whether or not they want to allow mixed controller vs. keyboard/mouse games or not.

I think you guys are going to love UT3!

More details to come later.

[BoxsterS]

I was just wondering why people are buying PS3's from Best Buy using the Best Buy credit card to save $50-$60 dollars off the console. Wouldn't you rather purchase it on your Visa, AMEX or other credit card that offers an extra year of warranty? Is the $50 savings worth losing a year of warranty? I don't think so.

[rdtx2002]

I was just wondering why people are buying PS3's from Best Buy using the Best Buy credit card to save $50-$60 dollars off the console. Wouldn't you rather purchase it on your Visa, AMEX or other credit card that offers an extra year of warranty? Is the $50 savings worth losing a year of warranty? I don't think so.

people don't think as clearly as you do.. you give the human species too much credit ;)

[marcopolo85]

http://utforums.epicgames.com/showpost.php?p=24959895&postcount=1

sold.
Looks like i wont even have to buy a new PC anymore.

[maebach]

Can you download FF7, and Chrono Cross from the Sony store? If so, how much does it cost?

[Driftwood]

sold.
Looks like i wont even have to buy a new PC anymore.

Is there a way to use a mouse for games yet? I saw that there's a 3rd party controller that make a mouse work for aiming, but is there a way to use a regular mouse?

[CFRTim]

I was just wondering why people are buying PS3's from Best Buy using the Best Buy credit card to save $50-$60 dollars off the console. Wouldn't you rather purchase it on your Visa, AMEX or other credit card that offers an extra year of warranty? Is the $50 savings worth losing a year of warranty? I don't think so.

I don't think the extra year of warranty is worth it with the PS3, it's not like buying a 360

[rahzel]

more warhawk details.
http://threespeech.com/blog/?p=524

Finally, the local multiplayer aspect of the game. If your mates come round, there’s more than one way to enjoy Warhawk together. Firstly, you can have a local split screen multiplayer battle against each other. If you don’t fancy that, then you can have an online game against others – and there’s no passing the controller round every round, you can actually play 4 player split screen online. Then there’s the LAN option. If you’re lucky enough to have a few friends who own PS3’s then set up a local network and connect them all together. A great feature of the disc based version is the ability to play the game on a number of PS3s at the same time using only one disc – perfect for LAN parties.

Warhawk is extremely easy to get into and you’ll be addicted in minutes. The gameplay has the aspects that keep PC gamers playing the same game for years; the graphics are great; and for me, it will be a must buy when it comes out later this month.

[nfnx]

can someone explain the diff between gt5 adn prologue???

[sfu_lifer]

can someone explain the diff between gt5 adn prologue???
Hi there,
Full game vs demo/sampler
VC

[rahzel]

yeah, the prologue is like a really big demo. i can't wait for it... hope its free too.

[GunnerX]

yeah, the prologue is like a really big demo. i can't wait for it... hope its free too.

Free? I highly doubt it. Was GT4 Prologue free?

[CFRTim]

yeah, the prologue is like a really big demo. i can't wait for it... hope its free too.

Free :confused:


Prototypes of the new rumble-enabled PS3 SixAxis controller are already in the hands of numerous Sony developers, according to industry insider site Inner Bits

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6653&Itemid=2

[maebach]

Free :confused:


Prototypes of the new rumble-enabled PS3 SixAxis controller are already in the hands of numerous Sony developers, according to industry insider site Inner Bits

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6653&Itemid=2

Cool. Without rumble, the conch is just a bit boring.

[nfnx]

thanks, whens the full release for gt5 scheduled for? that gmae looks dangerous

[maebach]

How long is it suppose to take to update the console to FW 1.9? Mines taking forever

[sfu_lifer]

How long is it suppose to take to update the console to FW 1.9? Mines taking forever
Maybe you're having problems connecting? It should take just the same amount of time once the FW has been downloaded.

[maebach]

Maybe you're having problems connecting? It should take just the same amount of time once the FW has been downloaded.

I got the firmware installed now, but it took like 3 hours. I could surf youtube and other sites alright so I dont understand why it took so long.

[zerocool24]

I got the firmware installed now, but it took like 3 hours. I could surf youtube and other sites alright so I dont understand why it took so long.

it took me maybe 3-5 minutes with the download and install.

[maebach]

it took me maybe 3-5 minutes with the download and install.

I tested the connection and its at 100% :| Im downloading the darkness demo and its alot faster than the FW dlownload for some reason

[kevin01]

I cant log into the PSN.... i had my ps3 at 1.5 for the longest time waiting for a mod. I updated to 1.90 and now i cant log in.... some error comes up 8013208 I think

[Canadianpsycho]

Saw the Heavenly Sword demo at a friend's place today. Opening and scripted actions scenes look pretty awesome I must say. Fighting looked pretty run of the mill hack-n-slash but very nice presentation.

[marcopolo85]

Is there a way to use a mouse for games yet? I saw that there's a 3rd party controller that make a mouse work for aiming, but is there a way to use a regular mouse?

Well I installed linux on my ps3 and you can use any usb mouse and keyboard, works perfectly. The developer has to add the keyboard and mouse support for games in order to actually use them. I dont think any games that are out at the moment have Keyboard and mouse support but when UT3 comes out for ps3 that will be the first game to support it.

You would probably have to buy that 3rd party mouse for games if you wish to use a mouse.

[BoxsterS]

I cant log into the PSN.... i had my ps3 at 1.5 for the longest time waiting for a mod. I updated to 1.90 and now i cant log in.... some error comes up 8013208 I think

Looks like you've been banned from the PSN.

Just kidding. Try turning off DLNA and try it again. Some people have this problem. Also, check your network settings and report back your Network type connection. Type 2 is preferable.

[BoxsterS]

Saw the Heavenly Sword demo at a friend's place today. Opening and scripted actions scenes look pretty awesome I must say. Fighting looked pretty run of the mill hack-n-slash but very nice presentation.

That's what most people say that don't take the time to learn the fighting and combo system. It's actually quite complex because it requires you to evaluate your situation and use the proper speed, power or range stance. In addition to the stances, there are blocking and combo moves that put it a step above any other hack and slash run of the mill game out there.

[maebach]

My PS3 username is maebach.

[rahzel]

yeah, if you simply hack and slash in HS, you won't survive. the demo was just the second level in the game too. i've even heard people say its TOO hard, so it is not a hack and slash game at all.

[marcopolo85]

Looks like its pretty much impossible to destroy a ps3 unless you smash it
http://www.ps3vault.com/how-to-kill-a-ps3-console-1975

They even put it in a sauna for 24hrs at 120F and still lived... This is why i buy sony products!!!

[zerocool24]

Looks like its pretty much impossible to destroy a ps3 unless you smash it
http://www.ps3vault.com/how-to-kill-a-ps3-console-1975

They even put it in a sauna for 24hrs at 120F and still lived... This is why i buy sony products!!!

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[marcopolo85]

i still have it open

How to kill a Ps3 Console
So how good is the console when put under extreme operating pressure and alternating environments The total concept of the Ps3 console instills robustness, stability and durability, the overall package combines the latest chip technology and peripheral advancements. The following results of the console are noteworthy reading and were done under the following guidelines. Results were recorded accurately to provide an actual operating statistic.

The following conditions were applied to each testing environment

• Continuous usuage of 108hours with no interruption to power supply
• Game of choice was Resistance Fall of Man & Motor Storm, Enchanted Arms
• Blu Ray movies – Several – around 10 different titles , Casino Royale, The Departed, Pirates of the Caribbean, Terminator 2, Superman Returns…
• Console was positioned on standalone timber unit with approximate 10cms of airflow under neath.
• Same 10 players were used over this period each playing or using the unit for a maximum of 1.5hours in any given session.
• Same controllers were used throughout the testing period

The following cycle was copied and used in each testing environment.
Start time Monday 9am –
2 hours blue ray dvd titles
4 hours continuous play on Resistance FOM
2 hours continuous play on Motor Storm
2 x blue ray dvd movies
1 x blue ray dvd movie
1 x blue ray dvd movie
2 hours continuous play on Motor Storm
6 hours of Motor Storm
6 hours of Resistance Fom
10 hours of Blue Ray Dvd 7 titles
1 hour of Motor Storm
3 hours of Resistance
5 hours of Enchanted Arms
2 hours blue ray dvd title
2 hours blue ray dvd title
5 hours Resistance FOM
5 hours Motor Storm
1 hour enchanted Arms
3 hours blue ray dvd titles
Repeated from the top until 108hours

Environment 1 Typical Family Room
Temperature 73 F
Console Ran continuous for the 108hours with only once incident happening at 12 hours in – a slight vibration coming from the tray area which lasted approximately 20 seconds. For the remaining time allocated no incidents were reported

Environment 2 Back of a Freezer Van – unit was placed inside the closed van with controllers and screen mounted outside, - no one was willing to sit in side the van for any extended period of time
Temperature Started at 50F and was progressively scaled down over the next 4 days to reach 0degrees.
Incidents We noticed a slight sluggishness in playback once the temperature reached 0 degrees , this was maintained for the last 24hours, with 12 hours to go we thought we were going to crash with a sudden , blackout to the screen, this was tracked down to condensation on the cord for the screen.
108hours in and still working fine

Environment 3 Heat Sauna – again console inside and controllers and screen outside.
Starting temperature was 100F and Gradually increased to 120F over the last 24hours.
Incidents Strangley enough we thought this would prove to be the ultimate area to kill the console, and to our surprise the only incident we noticed was a slight burning smell that came in around 64hours at 110F, the console was extremely hot when we finished the overall test but had come thru all environments with flying colours.
This console is now back in a normal environment and working fine.

[kevin01]

Looks like you've been banned from the PSN.

Just kidding. Try turning off DLNA and try it again. Some people have this problem. Also, check your network settings and report back your Network type connection. Type 2 is preferable.

Scared the shi*t out of me lol.

www.ps3news.com

new exploit

[sfu_lifer]

Scared the shi*t out of me lol.

www.ps3news.com

new exploit
Swap? Snore...

[nfnx]

im still looking for 2 more people to join in on me to buy games online since we can download them on 5 consoles.

thanks!

for those that are already in with me, just be patient til we hit our mark then i can finally get some damn games that are affordable haha.


i have been busy so sorry if i been slcaking in the recruitment process.

ciao fellow rfd'rs got an exam now! doot

[kevin01]

im still looking for 2 more people to join in on me to buy games online since we can download them on 5 consoles.

thanks!

for those that are already in with me, just be patient til we hit our mark then i can finally get some damn games that are affordable haha.


i have been busy so sorry if i been slcaking in the recruitment process.

ciao fellow rfd'rs got an exam now! doot

how much for a game? $15+tax?

[zerocool24]

how much for a game? $15+tax?

its the older ps games and games like calling all cars, flow, etc. They usually are under 10 bucks but i believe there is tekken that is about 23.

[Yesdear]

I'm disappointed with the PS3 version of Madden 08. According to the reviews it is very choppy compared to the 360 version.

[maebach]

im still looking for 2 more people to join in on me to buy games online since we can download them on 5 consoles.

thanks!

for those that are already in with me, just be patient til we hit our mark then i can finally get some damn games that are affordable haha.


i have been busy so sorry if i been slcaking in the recruitment process.

ciao fellow rfd'rs got an exam now! doot

what games? I pmed you about it as well.

[sfu_lifer]

I'm disappointed with the PS3 version of Madden 08. According to the reviews it is very choppy compared to the 360 version.
Better get used to it. When it comes to EA games, the 360 is still the lead platform. If you're multi-console, you might as well buy the 360 version thanks to achievements. And it's surprising how the 360 games come out better even when the PS3 teams are larger :D.

[rahzel]

EA's response.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/for-those-who-care/ea-explains-why-madden-sucks-on-ps3-289436.php

In the case of the next-generation consoles, many publishers have been developing titles for the Xbox 360 for over 3 1/2 years while everyone who publishes now for the PlayStation 3 with the exception of Sony has been developing for the PlayStation 3 for only a little over one full year. The differences in the overall knowledge of the hardware is vastly different for both consoles and...it is very difficult to get it right the first time.

watching the GT's comparison videos, i honestly didn't see a huge difference. its not like the ps3 version is choppy, its just not as smooth. 30fps for a console game is very smooth. the only time i think you'll notice a difference is if you play the 360 version then the PS3 version.

[BoxsterS]

I'm disappointed with the PS3 version of Madden 08. According to the reviews it is very choppy compared to the 360 version.

I see. So you haven't played it. As for choppiness - get used to it because the 360 version also chugs.

[AlphaTwo]

EA's response.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/for-those-who-care/ea-explains-why-madden-sucks-on-ps3-289436.php


watching the GT's comparison videos, i honestly didn't see a huge difference. its not like the ps3 version is choppy, its just not as smooth. 30fps for a console game is very smooth. the only time i think you'll notice a difference is if you play the 360 version then the PS3 version.Was their video streaming at that high bitrate and framerate? I know that when the PS3 came out, they made comparison videos while only capturing 30 frames, which doesn't show the difference well.

[Driftwood]

30fps for a console game is very smooth.

30 fps is just alright, I wouldn't say very smooth, but it should be considered to be the minimum frame rate you'd expect from any game these days.

[Emancipated]

Comparing Forza2 with PGR3, I would say the difference is very noticeable. PGR relied more on blurs to smooth out the graphics. FM2 just looks very organic.

[jeffyjaixx]

Interesting read on PS3 porting to 360 and vice versa present and in the future..


Yeah porting from Ps3 to 360 is actually quite easy in concept, OpenGL to Direct X is a normal thing to do in the industry. Cell code to Xenos code is a little pain but not all that hard since you would only have to recompile the SPE code and remove the specific instructions that aren't needed, it's not the most efficient way of doing it but it works well.

From a programming point of view it's quite easy, getting the system to perform well would be a big issue, porting may be quick but rough and it will take a lot of optimization and reconfiguring the title to make it work well on 360 is where the real work would go.

Now then if you where using a title that was using all of Cell's processors, shaders build to exploit RSX's features/performance and making use of the Blu Ray space then it would be incredibly difficult to get the performance any where near the Ps3 version on all three fronts. For instance even just getting the 8 threads of the Cell down to 6 threads isn't much of a feat but getting them to perform anywhere near the same speed as the SPE's would be near impossible considering the differences in how they are designed to run.

For instance Resistance probably could be ported across near perfect to 360 if they wanted, Ratchet and Clank TOD would be tremendously difficult without anything being cut and because they have finally gotten to grips with the Ps3 and are using it for everything it's got.


it might be easier to port from ps3 to the 360 now since the spu's aren't really being used all that much. once developers are using the spu's effectively then i doubt it will be easy to port the games on the 360 since the games are going to be made with the cell in mind and the 360 will not be able to handle it without it being downgraded. the reason why the ps3 struggles with 360 ports is because the games are being made with the 360's computer in mind and they are porting it as is and only really using the cell's main cpu and not really doing much with the spu's. hell you even hear the ps3 only developers saying they have only tapped 30 or 40% of the cell's true power because they are just starting to get the hang of using the cell.

It sounds like the gap will widen in the future.

[bembol]

I'm disappointed with the PS3 version of Madden 08. According to the reviews it is very choppy compared to the 360 version.


I picked up my copy last night. I'm not surprised and I'm not comparing it to XBOX 360, Madden IMO has always been weak but I don't have a choice since EA took out SEGA/2K Sports. :mad:


This is not High-Def Gaming!

[CFRTim]

Better get used to it. When it comes to EA games, the 360 is still the lead platform. If you're multi-console, you might as well buy the 360 version thanks to achievements. And it's surprising how the 360 games come out better even when the PS3 teams are larger :D.

Even more from now on, since Mr. Xbox went to EA

[sfu_lifer]

30 fps is just alright, I wouldn't say very smooth, but it should be considered to be the minimum frame rate you'd expect from any game these days.
If it's a locked in 30fps, yes. In the case of Madden PS3, it's not locked in. I've seen both versions in action and PS3 definitely stutters and not locked in at 30fps. Shame Tiburon pushed this out early. It could've used a few more weeks of optimization.

[shannn]

Wow,

http://kotaku.com/gaming/big-guns/unreal-engine-adds-gamespy-tech-for-ps3+pc-crossplay-289930.php

I wonder what other games will follow?

Hopefully they'll add 360 vs. PS3 vs. PC later when it goes to Xbox360, that way all the fanboys can duke it out, lol

[Brownbear]

okay -- i just took the spontaneous plunge and bought a ps3 at walmart. $620 taxes in. im pretty excited. can anyone recommend me things do download/check out? haha. Im happy that i have a ps3 but sad that i have no HDTV. I spoze its alright because i have a 360 in HD via VGA (i wish that sony had vga). :D ANYWAYS, BRB :D :D :D

[Emancipated]

okay -- i just took the spontaneous plunge and bought a ps3 at walmart. $620 taxes in. im pretty excited. can anyone recommend me things do download/check out? haha. Im happy that i have a ps3 but sad that i have no HDTV. I spoze its alright because i have a 360 in HD via VGA (i wish that sony had vga). :D ANYWAYS, BRB :D :D :D

You can buy a HDMI to DVI cable like I have to get HD on my computer monitor. Better than splurging for a large screen HDMI equipped display.

[Brownbear]

You can buy a HDMI to DVI cable like I have to get HD on my computer monitor. Better than splurging for a large screen HDMI equipped display.

.. okay i... did not know that!! i will buy one as soon as i decide to keep it (god bless the 30 day *ahem* i mean 30 day return policy):cheesygri

Now, to play Motorstorm demo!!! :D

[Emancipated]

.. okay i... did not know that!! i will buy one as soon as i decide to keep it (god bless the 30 day warranty):cheesygri

Now, to play Motorstorm demo!!! :D


What did you pay and what was included? I bought the 60GB for like $750 after tax but it came with NOTHING. Had to buy R:FOM separately, so if you're looking for a game to tie you over, PM me.

[Brownbear]

It was $549.83 before taxes, 626 after taxes. Its just the PS3 system, 1 controller and no games. If I decide to keep the ps3 and need games i'll msg you. I just rented Motorstorm. if anyone wants to play, umm, my friend name is DASDEF

[maebach]

Im looking to buy motorstorm, taht game is so fun

[Brownbear]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v175/PR80F/IMGP0894-1.jpg
Note the VHS deck on the left


Wow, ive really got to get a hold of myself. LOL

[sfu_lifer]

That's like me. I can't control it when it comes to getting all the consoles ASAP :D
Oh well, at least we're set for the next 5 years.

[zerocool24]

im missing the psp, but otherwise i have all those as well, never was really interested in the psp either.

[Brownbear]

PSP ROCKS. gotta love the homebrew scene. Anyone play PSP revolution? Its just DDR but homebrew and for PSP. i think it was made by the stepmania guys.

[maebach]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v175/PR80F/IMGP0894-1.jpg
Note the VHS deck on the left


Wow, ive really got to get a hold of myself. LOL

Ive got the PS3, and Wii. But for a long time I had the X360, PSP and Wii.


That's like me. I can't control it when it comes to getting all the consoles ASAP :D
Oh well, at least we're set for the next 5 years.
Thats the upside to all these costs


PSP ROCKS. gotta love the homebrew scene. Anyone play PSP revolution? Its just DDR but homebrew and for PSP. i think it was made by the stepmania guys.

PSP is very underrated imo. Everyone bashes it because its from Sony, but its a a great multimedia portable system. I was in teh PSP scenen for a very long time. god bless kcjchan and pspupdates.com


im missing the psp, but otherwise i have all those as well, never was really interested in the psp either.

I took teh PSP over the NDS and never looked back.

[zerocool24]

well i have the ds, but i think i have played it maybe 1 hour in total, my kids on the other hand seem to like it.

[sfu_lifer]

well i have the ds, but i think i have played it maybe 1 hour in total, my kids on the other hand seem to like it.

I love the DS (and PSP for the non-PSP gaming aspects) but we're wholly Off Topic here.
Hey does anyone know of a page that lists logitech wheel compatibility with the PS3 driving games? The G25 is on sale at NCIX and I'm wondering if it's fully compatible since my MOMO doesn't support Motorstorm nor Nascar.
TIA.

[maebach]

I love the DS (and PSP for the non-PSP gaming aspects) but we're wholly Off Topic here.
Hey does anyone know of a page that lists logitech wheel compatibility with the PS3 driving games? The G25 is on sale at NCIX and I'm wondering if it's fully compatible since my MOMO doesn't support Motorstorm nor Nascar.
TIA.

http://nascar.about.com/od/steeringwheels/gr/logitechg25.htm

Maybe that. It seems every Sony site is down for me? Why? I cant access and playstation forum on sony's site

[rahzel]

dirt and NCAA football demos on PSN.

[skule123]

This looks like it's going to be the best non-Mario Galaxy platformer on the market, starting October 23rd.

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/ratchetclank/news.html?sid=6176772&om_act=convert&om_clk=newlyadded&tag=newlyadded;title;1

[Brownbear]

Hmm, so i bought a HDMI to DVI cable [man im lucky that my acer al2216wbd is HDCP compliant) and it works flawlessly. thanks for the info emancipated.

When i bought it, i first checked radios-- err the source circuit city. And once in the salesman asked me what i needed, i told him HDMI to DVI, and he brought me to them. the price was 69.99!! He was grabbing them off the rack as if i was going to buy them for that ridiculous price. I told him 'im not going to buy it for this price'. so i left and went to walmart, bought the 6 foot Belkin cables for 29.99.

Oh, and Tversity is very very cool. i now have access to around 9 seasons of The Simpsons [mostly seasons 3-10]and all of planet earth! Even though its not HD, it doesnt matter because my living room tv is a crappy 27 inch CRT!

Sony has great media centre capabilities.

[maebach]

I have 2 questions:

I was reading reviews, and one guy said he couldn'ty hook up his toshiba HDDVD player via HDMI because it was v1.1, and the TV was v1.0 HDMI. IS that possible? Would teh PS3 do that as well? I tried looking in the instructions manual and it didnt say any version number.

Second question, if I was to get a 1080i LCD, does it matter whether I use component or HDMI to get the 1080i picture? Does the HDMI cable provide a better 1080i? It sounds dumb, but Im not too sure.

[joshmxpx]

Hmm, so i bought a HDMI to DVI cable [man im lucky that my acer al2216wbd is HDCP compliant) and it works flawlessly. thanks for the info emancipated.

When i bought it, i first checked radios-- err the source circuit city. And once in the salesman asked me what i needed, i told him HDMI to DVI, and he brought me to them. the price was 69.99!! He was grabbing them off the rack as if i was going to buy them for that ridiculous price. I told him 'im not going to buy it for this price'. so i left and went to walmart, bought the 6 foot Belkin cables for 29.99.

Oh, and Tversity is very very cool. i now have access to around 9 seasons of The Simpsons [mostly seasons 3-10]and all of planet earth! Even though its not HD, it doesnt matter because my living room tv is a crappy 27 inch CRT!

Sony has great media centre capabilities.

should have bought from monoprice, would have been even cheaper

[ATLien69]

DIRT is awesome...maybe even better the the 360 demo version!


dirt and NCAA football demos on PSN.

[sfu_lifer]

DIRT is awesome...maybe even better the the 360 demo version!
Looks the same to me. But indeed it is more awesome just because it supports my Logitech MOMO wheel! Stupid Microsoft, locking down the 360 peripherals due to greed :mad:
Microsoft this gen is the most anti-consumer manufacturer around. Completely locked down the peripherals just so they can squeeze $$$ out of consumers pockets by having overpriced accessories. Live! at $50 annually has to go since PS3's online is slowly catching up and once their marketplace is ready to go plus integrated Gamer Cards and easy access to xmb (not to mention Home), there would be no point to paying $50 a year.

[ATLien69]

lol...just looks better to me b/c I still have a sour taste in mouth from my three M$ 360 broken consoles... :)

But yeah I really gotta try my G25 wheel with DIRT... I just wish dirt had an
'02 Impreza in there. :D

BTW you're one of the guys in my PSN sharing group right? :confused:


Looks the same to me. But indeed it is more awesome just because it supports my Logitech MOMO wheel! Stupid Microsoft, locking down the 360 peripherals due to greed :mad:
Microsoft this gen is the most anti-consumer manufacturer around. Completely locked down the peripherals just so they can squeeze $$$ out of consumers pockets by having overpriced accessories. Live! at $50 annually has to go since PS3's online is slowly catching up and once their marketplace is ready to go plus integrated Gamer Cards and easy access to xmb (not to mention Home), there would be no point to paying $50 a year.

[sfu_lifer]

lol...just looks better to me b/c I still have a sour taste in mouth from my three M$ 360 broken consoles... :)

But yeah I really gotta try my G25 wheel with DIRT... I just wish dirt had an
'02 Impreza in there. :D

BTW you're one of the guys in my PSN sharing group right? :confused:

Ya I never see any of us online at the same time lol

[nano]

I have 2 questions:

I was reading reviews, and one guy said he couldn'ty hook up his toshiba HDDVD player via HDMI because it was v1.1, and the TV was v1.0 HDMI. IS that possible? Would teh PS3 do that as well? I tried looking in the instructions manual and it didnt say any version number.

Second question, if I was to get a 1080i LCD, does it matter whether I use component or HDMI to get the 1080i picture? Does the HDMI cable provide a better 1080i? It sounds dumb, but Im not too sure.

there are tons of conflict issues when using HDMI because the all the different versions out there most tv manufacturers will assist you with the issues... you are able to get 1080i using comp. cbls .... some people think hbmi gives a better image but i havent noticed much of a difference

[rahzel]

just reading around, seems like the PS3 version of Dirt has a better framerate (and i agree, its a solid 30fps) and better load times. on the flip side, the HDR bloom is toned down (which is a plus for most people as the 360 version had excessive bloom), there seems to be slightly less grass and trees. overall, i'd say its the slightly better version because of the improved framerate and load times.

on another note, heres an interview with Ubisoft Paris on the soon to be released GRAW2 on PS3.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/kotaku-q%26a/developing-graw2-for-the-ps3-290620.php

just like i've been saying all along. the PS3 isn't really hard to develop for, its just newer and will take time to learn, and its also completely different than the 360. its nice to see that they developed the game simultaneously on PS3/360. but since they used the same engine as GRAW1, it was easier to make the 360 version and therefore came out earlier on 360. once developers optimize their engines on PS3, there should be far less delays.

[sfu_lifer]

on another note, heres an interview with Ubisoft Paris on the soon to be released GRAW2 on PS3.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/kotaku-q%26a/developing-graw2-for-the-ps3-290620.php

just like i've been saying all along. the PS3 isn't really hard to develop for, its just newer and will take time to learn, and its also completely different than the 360. its nice to see that they developed the game simultaneously on PS3/360. but since they used the same engine as GRAW1, it was easier to make the 360 version and therefore came out earlier on 360. once developers optimize their engines on PS3, there should be far less delays.
The learning curve on the PS3 is still quite huge compared to the 360 curve. I'm sure the gap will narrow (as it already has for most devs and publishers).
The PS3 architecture (esp the Cell) just makes it tougher to get going. Definitely not the traditional PC architecture most of these graphical guys learned on.
Most devs did not say that about the 360 coming in thanks to Microsoft tools. The same thing happened with the Xbox vs PS2 game development. But look how far they pushed the PS2 versus the Xbox 1 which died a premature death.
I love DiRT on the PS3. I can use my PC wheel :). The horrendous overuse of bloom on the 360 also annoyed me. As for the framerate, I'm still not seeing the difference based on the demo vs the full game on the 360.

[Brownbear]

you can see the difference when playing that buggy race. In the Xbox360 version, when several cars get on screen at once, the framerate drop is very noticeable. When viewing multiple cars on the PS3 version, the framerate remains consistent. Lol. I feel like buying the PS3 version as well, even though i have the x360 version [but im not going to], just for the framerate!! I love dirt and i love its handling. I dont know why so many people think that the handling is so bad. Just because the controls are a bit arcadey does not mean this game is without challenge. Believe me, You'll find yourself restarting the race every minute, the higher up the tiers you go. I love this game because of its very fast action twitch type play it has. Gah, thats my 2 cents. Some people say dirt is bad, I ON THE OTHER HAND, absolutely love it.

[Menace]

Sony Claims PS3 Failure Rate of Less Than 1 Percent
PS3 failure rates are "around 0.02 percent" according to a Sony executive.

PS3 failure rates are "around .02 percent" according to Sony Computer Entertainment Europe founder, Chris Deering while speaking at the Edinburgh Interactive Festival on Tuesday.

If accurate, that puts PS3 failure rates well below the industry average of three to five percent.

By comparison, some reports pin Xbox 360 failure rates as high as one third of all consoles in existence. As a result, Microsoft extended the Xbox 360 warranty from one to three years in July citing "an unacceptable number of repairs" without disclosing specific failure rates.

Nintendo has yet to reveal any failure rates for the Wii.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136054-pg,1/article.html

[Majinvegeta]

just reading around, seems like the PS3 version of Dirt has a better framerate (and i agree, its a solid 30fps) and better load times. on the flip side, the HDR bloom is toned down (which is a plus for most people as the 360 version had excessive bloom), there seems to be slightly less grass and trees. overall, i'd say its the slightly better version because of the improved framerate and load times.

on another note, heres an interview with Ubisoft Paris on the soon to be released GRAW2 on PS3.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/kotaku-q%26a/developing-graw2-for-the-ps3-290620.php

just like i've been saying all along. the PS3 isn't really hard to develop for, its just newer and will take time to learn, and its also completely different than the 360. its nice to see that they developed the game simultaneously on PS3/360. but since they used the same engine as GRAW1, it was easier to make the 360 version and therefore came out earlier on 360. once developers optimize their engines on PS3, there should be far less delays.

Yep, PS3 is a completely new and different architecture than PC's or Xbox360. Most developers have been developing Xbox360 games since it came out, which is a year before the PS3, leaving developers with more knowledge on Xbox360 than PS3. This will slowly change, and the graphical gap will become more apparent soon enough. One of these is Killzone 2, the lighting effects in that game are just amazing.

Graphics are just one part though, the Playstation 3 still holds some key titles that made PS2 very successful. So I don't see why PS2 gamers would go out and buy an Xbox360, because games on Xbox360 do not have variety. Halo 3? Bioshock? mass effect? what do they have in common? their all FPS. Sony has FF13, FFV13, GT5, Heavenly Sword, God of War 3, Ratchet & Clank, Killzone 2, SOCOM, Lair, Warhawk, Singstar, LittleBigPlanet, EchoChrome, etc. there are so many different games appealing different gamers. And at least with Sony, the online games are actually new and unique experiences, not just old games emulated on a new console.

[ATLien69]

BTW what happened to all the hype about the bad reviews for Lair? Was that all a joke/lie???

And weren't we promised a Ratchet demo sometime???

[CFRTim]

Yep, PS3 is a completely new and different architecture than PC's or Xbox360. Most developers have been developing Xbox360 games since it came out, which is a year before the PS3, leaving developers with more knowledge on Xbox360 than PS3. This will slowly change, and the graphical gap will become more apparent soon enough. One of these is Killzone 2, the lighting effects in that game are just amazing.

Graphics are just one part though, the Playstation 3 still holds some key titles that made PS2 very successful. So I don't see why PS2 gamers would go out and buy an Xbox360, because games on Xbox360 do not have variety. Halo 3? Bioshock? mass effect? what do they have in common? their all FPS. Sony has FF13, FFV13, GT5, Heavenly Sword, God of War 3, Ratchet & Clank, Killzone 2, SOCOM, Lair, Warhawk, Singstar, LittleBigPlanet, EchoChrome, etc. there are so many different games appealing different gamers. And at least with Sony, the online games are actually new and unique experiences, not just old games emulated on a new console.

It's been almost a year now, so we should see some solid titles, right? The 360 had some really good games one year into it

[GunnerX]

BTW what happened to all the hype about the bad reviews for Lair? Was that all a joke/lie???

And weren't we promised a Ratchet demo sometime???

Well, LAIR has been delayed. That's gotta mean something. :) A Ratchet demo would be nice. It's the most promising game right now.

[awestruck]

because games on Xbox360 do not have variety.

Yeah they do.

Halo 3
Eternal Sonata
Blue Dragon
PGR4
Forza 2
Banjo Kazooie
Viva Pinata
Rock Band
Two Worlds
...

[pr0d2]

It's been almost a year now, so we should see some solid titles, right? The 360 had some really good games one year into it

Super StarDust HD is fun... and uhhh it can run linux! (mind you it takes about 10 to 15 times as long to compile somthing compared to an AMD 3000+)

you know what im not good at all this BS stuff, queue Jon lai to talk about how the CELL can cure cancer etc.

[jeffyjaixx]

It's been almost a year now, so we should see some solid titles, right? The 360 had some really good games one year into it

Yup.

Now: Resistance, Motorstorm, Super Stardust HD, Flow, Tekken 5: DR, Ninja Gaiden Sigma.

Near future: Warhawk, Lair (undecided on gameplay, but visually, it looks awesome), Heavenly Sword, Hot Shots Golf 5, Folklore, Ratchet and Clank: FTOD, Unreal Tournament 3, Haze, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, GT 5: Prologue and the launching of HOME.

[rahzel]

It's been almost a year now, so we should see some solid titles, right? The 360 had some really good games one year into it
its been 9 months, so by the time it really has been a year, there will be Resistance, Motorstorm, Ratchet & Clank, Heavenly Sword, Lair, Warhawk, Uncharted, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Tekken 5 DR, Hot Shots Golf 5, MLB The Show, SingStar, Folklore, CaC, flOw, Super Stardust HD, GT5: Prologue, UT3, Haze, Virtua Fighter 5 (these last 3 being timed exclusives), not to mention all the multiplatform titles. but lets not turn this into an exclusives war, both systems have great games.

[GunnerX]

its been 9 months, so by the time it really has been a year, there will be Resistance, Motorstorm, Ratchet & Clank, Heavenly Sword, Lair, Warhawk, Uncharted, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Tekken 5 DR, Hot Shots Golf 5, MLB The Show, SingStar, Folklore, CaC, flOw, Super Stardust HD, GT5: Prologue, UT3, Haze, Virtua Fighter 5 (these last 3 being timed exclusives), not to mention all the multiplatform titles. but lets not turn this into an exclusives war, both systems have great games.

I thought GT5 Prologue won't be out until early next year. I also thought that UT3 was delayed until next year. Know something I don't?

[ATLien69]

GT5 Prologue (more of a long demo) is out this year (prolly free download on PSN) and the full GT5 is out next year...


I thought GT5 Prologue won't be out until early next year. I also thought that UT3 was delayed until next year. Know something I don't?

[sfu_lifer]

you can see the difference when playing that buggy race. In the Xbox360 version, when several cars get on screen at once, the framerate drop is very noticeable. When viewing multiple cars on the PS3 version, the framerate remains consistent. Lol. I feel like buying the PS3 version as well, even though i have the x360 version [but im not going to], just for the framerate!! I love dirt and i love its handling. I dont know why so many people think that the handling is so bad. Just because the controls are a bit arcadey does not mean this game is without challenge. Believe me, You'll find yourself restarting the race every minute, the higher up the tiers you go. I love this game because of its very fast action twitch type play it has. Gah, thats my 2 cents. Some people say dirt is bad, I ON THE OTHER HAND, absolutely love it.
It's all about the wheel support :).
As for the framerate, you're right, it does dip a little bit in that area. However, I was reading some comparisons, it seemed the consistent framerate was achieved by dropping some trackside objects and less performance dropping lighting effects. I'd happily do that trade if it means not dropping to sub-30fps.

[rahzel]

It's all about the wheel support :).
As for the framerate, you're right, it does dip a little bit in that area. However, I was reading some comparisons, it seemed the consistent framerate was achieved by dropping some trackside objects and less performance dropping lighting effects. I'd happily do that trade if it means not dropping to sub-30fps.
yeah, there are a few less trees but you probably wouldn't even notice that while playing. they didn't completely drop any lighting effects, they just toned down the HDR intensity.

@GunnerX, ATLien69 answered the GT5 question, but UT3 is not delayed on PS3/PC, its only delayed on 360.

[Majinvegeta]

Yeah they do.

Halo 3
Eternal Sonata
Blue Dragon
PGR4
Forza 2
Banjo Kazooie
Viva Pinata
Rock Band
Two Worlds
...

Killzone 2
SOCOM
Warhawk
Uncharted Drake's Fortune

Final Fantasy 13
Final Fantasy Versus 13
White Knight Story
Folklore

Gran Turismo 5 - this game alone is going to make Forza 2 and PGR4 look like junk, it already does in terms of graphics.
Fatal Inertia

Ratchet & Clank
Jak & Daxter
EchoChrome
LittleBigPlanet
Flow

God of War 3
Heavenly Sword
Lair

Sony still has more variety, and it has exclusives that PS2 gamers want. I cannot see why PS2 gamers would give up big titles like God of War 3 or Gran Turismo 5 or SOCOM or Final Fantasy to play Xbox360 titles.

What I am saying is, as long as the PS2 fan base sticks to Playstation, Microsoft is not going to win this war. And that still clearly looks to be the case. Oh and at least PS3 consoles actually work, Xbox360 has a fairly big failure rate, and they didn't even confirm it until recently, and they still have not fixed it, only offered a 3 year warranty. Yea, so instead of swapping for 1 year, now you get to continually swap consoles with Microsoft for 3 years trying to get a perfectly working one.

As for games coming out this year for Playstation 3 EXCLUSIVELY, here are some big titles:

Warhawk
Lair
Heavenly Sword
Home (Deserves to be on this list)
Folklore
The Eye of Judgment
Ratchet & Clank
Unreal Tournament 3 (also allows for PC mods, which X360 version cannot do)
Singstar
Haze
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune

Next Year EXCLUSIVE Releases

Metal Gear Solid 4
Final Fantasy 13
Fatal Inertia
LittleBigPlanet
Killzone 2
Heavy Rain

There are many many many others, Sony has them kept secret because it does not want to show them off just yet. Games like 8 Days and The Getaway have not been spoken of for quite a while.

GT5 Prologue WILL be out THIS YEAR, I am not sure of exact date but its confirmed this year.

[zerocool24]

pretty sure fatal inertia will be coming to the 360 as well, i downloaded the demo for it on the 360 the other day.

[Majinvegeta]

ok, ignore that one then :D

[CFRTim]

ok, ignore that one then :D

Also Haze, at most it will be time exclusive, just like UT3. Modding apart, UT has always been a game about online play, and somehow I have a feeling online is still better on the XBOX. The PS2 "fan base", as you call it, is not sticking to Playstation, except for a few "hardcore". As far as the war goes MS is already wining the war over PS3, but the truth is the Wii is beating the crap out of both:


According to stats from the week ending August 5th, Microsoft's Xbox 360 sold 10.32 million, Nintendo's Wii followed with 10.10 million, and the PS3 was languishing with only 4.11 million units sold worldwide.

The site just updated the stats for the past week ending August 11th. The Nintendo Wii scored some major gains and is now breathing down the Xbox 360's neck. New data shows that in a frame of one week, 310,000 Wii's got new owners - Xbox 360 was sold in decent 110.000 units, while PS3 sold only 50,000 units. New numbers keep Xbox 360 in the lead with 10.43 million, Wii is now a close second with 10.41 million and PS3 remains the backmarker with 4.16 million consoles sold.

In terms of market share, Microsoft has 41.7%, Nintendo has 41.6%, while Sony captured just 16.6%.

Since the site will not be updated until next week, Wii has probably already outsold Xbox 360 and now has the lead in the console war. Or it just may happen that Microsoft pulled a miracle and sold 3x more than last week (was Halo 3 released this weekend? No?).

[joshmxpx]

Home (Deserves to be on this list)

don't think home should be on this list. while certainly being exclusive and innovative for the ps3, its not quite a "game", as much as second life is a "game"

more like an interactive myspace or something like that

[Majinvegeta]

Also Haze, at most it will be time exclusive, just like UT3. Modding apart, UT has always been a game about online play, and somehow I have a feeling online is still better on the XBOX.

Haze is timed exclusive, so is UT3, thats why I put them there. They are still exclusives of that year whether you like it or not.

Rofl, I already hear many complaints from people on Xbox360 about lag. But on the Playstation 3, you play lagless gaming! why? because they aren't all on the same damn servers, each game has its own servers from the developers themselves, Sony doesn't host everything all on its own. That way, people don't get laggy servers. Funny, Microsoft charges you a huge fee and then can't even provide the basics lag free, how pathetic.

I am confident with Home Sony's Online will surpass Microsoft's by tenfold.



The PS2 "fan base", as you call it, is not sticking to Playstation, except for a few "hardcore". As far as the war goes MS is already wining the war over PS3, but the truth is the Wii is beating the crap out of both:

You need to understand marketing, who Nintendo is marketing to and who Playstation is marketing to are two completely different types of people, I guarantee you that. Go watch some interviews with Reggie Filles (President of Nintendo America) he clearly states that Nintendo has no interest in fighting for the Playstation fanbase, they are interested in attracting new customers. Yea Nintendo is doing great with its breakout innovation, but its not Sony's fan base Nintendo is stealing, its attracting new people who would normally not play a console.

So all these people who are buying into it, are not Sony PS2 owners, at least not for the most part, these are people who normally would not play games, or Nintendo fans. I mean Nintendo has yet to even surpass its GC fan base, what makes you think its already getting a new fan base? for all we know, the only people buying a Wii right now could be just the Nintendo hardcore fans.

But that wouldn't make sense, because Nintendo Wii still lacks games, the only reason people buy it is for Wii sports. So we can tell from that, that the people currently buying the console are interested in the new form of game play and how its supposed to keep you on your feet doing something even when you are home.

So, Nintendo can go attract all the new peeps it wants, I doubt it will attract over 110 million, but I am sure it will be a lot more than what it captured with the GameCube. I think Nintendo is doing a great job on its part, a lot better than Microsoft.

Microsoft is hardly winning anything, ever since 2007, Microsoft sales have been poor, and Sony has stronger sales in Japan AND Europe. That will help keep Sony on the edge, and Sony has yet to have a good Christmas. This year however things will be different, Sony has some great exclusives coming out and some other great news, possibly another price drop to get it going. Sony expects to ship out 11 million by the end of THIS YEAR, and hopefully it will sell them all out.

Trust me, Sony isn't some cheapo lame no name company, this is the same company that Rebuilt Japan after America destroyed it to the stone age. The same company that made the Playstation, the same company that expanded the Gaming industry to what it is TODAY, if it was not for Sony we would probably still be playing on stupid ass cartridges.


don't think home should be on this list. while certainly being exclusive and innovative for the ps3, its not quite a "game", as much as second life is a "game"

more like an interactive myspace or something like that

I understand that, but I still believe it deserves a spot as something to really really look forward to. Its a service that allows you to share music, videos, pictures, ranks, and allows you to play mini games and get together to play a game together with friends all in a virtual world.

[BigBadBoo]

The mind boggles at the logic of some of these Sony fans...

"No Nintendo isn't winning the war as it's fighting in another universe...even though Sony/MS both want to make their systems appeal to the mass market..."

"No a PS3 timed exclusive is still a PS3 exclusive even if it doesn't work the other way around (ie. if MS had a timed exclusive it is not really an exclusive.)"

"I am going to list all the PS3 games, and then add all the PS2 games adding a +1, so that you can see that PS3 has more exclusives. I am going to totally ignore the exclusives of both 360 and Wii because they aren't exclusive you see."

"Sony is awesome. America is evil. MS will eat your babies."

"360 breaks. Sony builds the best ****, but let us forget PS1/PS2"

[Majinvegeta]

The mind boggles at the logic of some of these Sony fans...

Ok then explain? whats your logic??

People are just going to say forget Final Fantasy and God of War and Gran Turismo, ill go take the risk and buy a 360 that has a failure rate of over 30% and play a brand new IP that has never been tested like Bioshock and never look back to those high end exclusive PS games?

[BigBadBoo]

Ok then explain? whats your logic??

People are just going to say forget Final Fantasy and God of War and Gran Turismo, ill go take the risk and buy a 360 that has a failure rate of over 30% and play a brand new IP that has never been tested like Bioshock and never look back to those high end exclusive PS games?

My logic is I buy PS3 when I feel like it (in a year or two), and buy a Wii when I have time (next year). I already got a 360 that takes up whatever free time I got. Why would I just settle for 1 console? I play all the games I WANT, and not have to put up with this console war BS that people like to "fight" over.

[Majinvegeta]

The mind boggles at the logic of some of these Sony fans...

"No Nintendo isn't winning the war as it's fighting in another universe...even though Sony/MS both want to make their systems appeal to the mass market..."


Why are you believing me? go ask Reggie Filles himself, the president of Nintendo said this, not me, I am only the messenger in what I said about that. Nintendo isn't fighting for PS2 gamers, its fighting for a new type of people. Thats why they got those Mama cooking type games, you think a guy who likes God of War will just decide to play that instead?!?! what kind of logic do you have buddy? you are the one who makes no sense.



"No a PS3 timed exclusive is still a PS3 exclusive even if it doesn't work the other way around (ie. if MS had a timed exclusive it is not really an exclusive.)"


Well, I never said that, but I am sure there are people who do, thats too bad. Everyone is different, so generalization just will not work :/.



"I am going to list all the PS3 games, and then add all the PS2 games adding a +1, so that you can see that PS3 has more exclusives. I am going to totally ignore the exclusives of both 360 and Wii because they aren't exclusive you see."


PS3 has some awesome exclusives, exclusives that PS2 gamers will want to come back on the PS3 to play. If you don't like them, I don't care, but the people who bought them will definitely come back to the PS3 for more.



"Sony is awesome. America is evil. MS will eat your babies."

Yes America is evil, but thats my opinion and an argument for another day. MS will eat your money, thats for sure, dunno bout babies...



"360 breaks. Sony builds the best ****, but let us forget PS1/PS2"

Lol!

Sony does have the best build, Playstation 3 is as solid as a rock! they have very very low failure rates according to some stores. Look at Xbox360 with its silly 30% failure, they would not even confirm it as an issue, claiming only a very minor percentage were experiencing. Now they confirm it, but STILL HAVE NOT FIXED IT, its been what? 2 years??



My logic is I buy PS3 when I feel like it (in a year or two), and buy a Wii when I have time (next year). I already got a 360 that takes up whatever free time I got. Why would I just settle for 1 console? I play all the games I WANT, and not have to put up with this console war BS that people like to "fight" over.

Good for you, I hope to get a Wii end of this year, I will not be buying a Xbox360 because of my hate for Microsoft. But I will get a Wii, I like to get other consoles to. I do not criticize Nintendo, I think it has its own special unique games, and thats what keeps it alive. But to believe it will beat Sony is just not going to happen. The differences between Nintendo games and style vs Playstation games and style is just so big that people are not going to opt for a Wii if they want to play god of war or Final Fantasy type games.

[BigBadBoo]

Ok then explain? whats your logic??
...play a brand new IP that has never been tested like Bioshock and never look back to those high end exclusive PS games?

That is awesome logic right there. It is quite ironic that you are willing to trash one of the most well received game as of late like that. Don't gamers cry when developers rehash the same crap over and over again. I am not really into BioShock due to other reasons, but I think it deserves it's praise.

I am just going to assume here that if BioShock was an exclusive for the PS3, you would be pimping that **** so much...

[BigBadBoo]

I will not be buying a Xbox360 because of my hate for Microsoft.

What is it about MS that you hate? It seems that almost every Sony fanboy has some vendetta against MS. I don't understand. Are you using Windows right now? Are you using IE?

[Majinvegeta]

That is awesome logic right there. It is quite ironic that you are willing to trash of the most well received game as of late like that. Don't gamers cry when developers rehash the same crap over and over again. I am not really into BioShock due to other reasons, but I think it deserves it's praise.

Did I trash it? is it a new IP? yes it is, is it a 2nd version? no, its the 1st version of its kind. So are people going to be a little hesitant? YES! because people are always hesitant about something new.

So I did not trash or insult anyone except give facts, live with it.

[Majinvegeta]

What is it about MS that you hate? It seems that almost every Sony fanboy has some vendetta against MS. I don't understand. Are you using Windows right now? Are you using IE?

I use Windows unfortunately because I have to, how else can I play counterstrike source or Civilizations 4? or w/e else I like to use. Windows is the standard platform for any damn software you can think of unless its got exclusive rights or deals with Macintosh or someone else.

I use FireFox as my browser, whatever I can use as alternative I will. Like for my browser and my MP3 player I use iTunes instead of Windows Media player. I prefer these other products because they actually work 90% of the time without issues. I have to use MSN and man is it a pain, half the time the damn thing gives me red messages with "unable to send message" or something, and its not only me its also my friends who get into this issue.

I don't like Microsoft's way of doing business, its not just me, there are many people who will tell you the same. Microsoft only cares for money, and I can tell you right now that Sony thinks differently. Yes all corporations fight for money, but thats because they need it to operate like humans need air. Sony has goals that are different than Microsoft.

Now look at their Xbox360 product, they lie to their customers, provide a half assed system with RROD and then denies its a big problem, lies for 2 years and comes out to admit its an issue and just provide a 3 year warranty with no fix in sight. What happens? you can replace your consoles with refurbs that have similar problems, wow...some fix.

[theprodigy]

Anyone get the extended warranty for the ps3? I'm considering it, but not completely sure if I actually need it. It's like $120 for 2 years at BB. Any advice?

[Brownbear]

i think i agree with Majinvegeta, except for the msn messenger part. mine works fine.

[Majinvegeta]

Anyone get the extended warranty for the ps3? I'm considering it, but not completely sure if I actually need it. It's like $120 for 2 years at BB. Any advice?

Not worth it, you know why? because Sony's Playstation 3 is a rock solid machine. Go do as much research as you like, but fact is, Sony built a strong machine with failure rate as some say is as low as .5%. Take it as you will, but these are things I have heard from forums that come from store managers as quotes and from tech support companies.

I wouldn't buy it, I didn't, but if you really want to be safe, go ahead.

[BigBadBoo]

What is funny is that I never actually quoted you until you replied to me. So I did not suggest that you trashed or did anything wrong specifically. It was you who got all defensive.

Second, I never said you trashed BioShock. What I did imply was that you were using BioShock as an example of something negative about the 360 by saying that it was a new IP and hence a risk. That really is a stretch.

[Majinvegeta]

What is funny is that I never actually quoted you until you replied to me. So I did not suggest that you trashed or did anything wrong specifically. It was you who got all defensive.

Second, I never said you trashed BioShock. What I did imply was that you were using BioShock as an example of something negative about the 360 by saying that it was a new IP and hence a risk. That really is a stretch.

Think of it as you will, I was simply trying to point out one of the best Xbox360 games, I don't really like Bioshock, but I know it is going to most probably be the GOTY.

What I am trying to say is, if you think PS2 gamers are going to take a risk spending $400+ to play new IP's like Bioshock, Mass Effect and totally forget about Final Fantasy and God of War and whatever else they liked on the PS3, you are mistaken dude.

[BigBadBoo]

I don't like Microsoft's way of doing business, its not just me, there are many people who will tell you the same. Microsoft only cares for money, and I can tell you right now that Sony thinks differently. Yes all corporations fight for money, but thats because they need it to operate like humans need air. Sony has goals that are different than Microsoft.

Now look at their Xbox360 product, they lie to their customers, provide a half assed system with RROD and then denies its a big problem, lies for 2 years and comes out to admit its an issue and just provide a 3 year warranty with no fix in sight. What happens? you can replace your consoles with refurbs that have similar problems, wow...some fix.

Ok I think you need to really reconsider your position on Sony if you think they are better than MS. Both companies are full of it, but both companies have their pros as well. You just can't say MS cares only about the money as something negative about a company.

As for the 360, yes I agree with you on that. But I think they are trying to make up for it, and that 3 year warranty has helped. I replaced my console and got a brand new one. It took me 2 weeks to replace it, and there was no hassle.

[BigBadBoo]

What I am trying to say is, if you think PS2 gamers are going to take a risk spending $400+ to play new IP's like Bioshock, Mass Effect and totally forget about Final Fantasy and God of War and whatever else they liked on the PS3, you are mistaken dude.

I have never said it. All I have done is point out the flaws in your arguments in which you basically state that the PS3 is awesome, and the 360 sucks, and that you hate MS.

I loved God of War, and I have a PS2 that I still play when I miss the old games. I respect Sony, and I think they made a great machine. I think they overshot a few goals but in the end they will be fine. I also think MS did a great job of getting to be equal opponent to Sony given the state of the industry when they first entered. Do you know how many people criticized them and laughed at them?

I think Nintendo is the true game developer as they know how to make fun games and a fun platform. I think they already won the war regardless of what happens next. Any sane developer will make games for Wii as the thing is still selling like hotcakes, and making games for it is at a fraction of the cost compared to making games for PS3/360. Plus so many ideas can be implemented by the innovative controller.

[CFRTim]

What I am trying to say is, if you think PS2 gamers are going to take a risk spending $400+ to play new IP's like Bioshock, Mass Effect and totally forget about Final Fantasy and God of War and whatever else they liked on the PS3, you are mistaken dude.

I did, and I am happy. I also have many other friends that "jumped in". I will get a PS3 at some point in time, when it's ~$300 and GT5 is out, but for now, being on a budget of 1 console only, I made my choice of next gen. with the 360.

[Majinvegeta]

Ok I think you need to really reconsider your position on Sony if you think they are better than MS. Both companies are full of it, but both companies have their pros as well. You just can't say MS cares only about the money as something negative about a company.

As for the 360, yes I agree with you on that. But I think they are trying to make up for it, and that 3 year warranty has helped. I replaced my console and got a brand new one. It took me 2 weeks to replace it, and there was no hassle.

I am sure Sony has made some bad decisions as well, I never said they are perfect and I never will. But lets think about it, what is Microsoft's intent on this Xbox360? what are they going to bring to gamers that will totally change gaming forever? nothing, they just wanna get rid of Sony because it is affecting the PC gaming market and becoming a threat.

Sony on the other hand does have intentions of growing the Playstation market for the consumer. They have 2200 developers working in the world wide studios to make some exclusive and unique titles. And I don't know about you, but Sony does listen to what gamers have to say about the Playstation 3 on the forums.

And basically Sony is a hardware company, they design these things, they have been extremely successful from PS1 to PS2, and hopefully with PS3. I see them as doing good for the gaming industry, not bad. As long as they are doing good for the gaming industry, its ok. Microsoft on the other hand, they made mistakes by using Dvd's and hdd-less console and no hdmi. Yea sure it doesn't matter now, but look at what is happening.

Developers like Konami, Square, Rockstar, even creators of PGR4 admit that extra space is needed. PGR4 actually had to strip out certain things and cut corners because DVD is too small and they do not want to waste money on a second DVD. Rockstar is also complaining about disc space and the core model of Xbox360 because Rockstar wanted to use the HDD to help with load times, now it can't unless it makes it optional.

Now Sony took all the right steps, people do not criticize Sony for not having HDMI or not enough space or anything. Yes its a new architecture, yes it is harder to program for, anything will be if its new. Just a while ago, GRAW2 developers stated that PS3 is not any harder than Xbox360 to develop for, it just takes time to understand and use the different techniques to take advantage of PS3.

[Majinvegeta]

I did, and I am happy. I also have many other friends that "jumped in". I will get a PS3 at some point in time, when it's ~$300 and GT5 is out, but for now, being on a budget of 1 console only, I made my choice of next gen. with the 360.

Thats all that matters to Sony.

Hey, if you can afford all systems good for you, I would do that too. But I don't want a Xbox360 unless its free, I would not waste money and then have to go through replacements just to get a working one. I know its not an issue with EVERY 360, but it is an issue, and I do not see as many games that interest me to go out and get one. I do see Nintendo as a good console to get, I would like to play some of their games like Mario and Zelda and Smash Bros. etc.

[BigBadBoo]

Hey, if you can afford all systems good for you, I would do that too. But I don't want a Xbox360 unless its free, I would not waste money and then have to go through replacements just to get a working one. I know its not an issue with EVERY 360, but it is an issue, and I do not see as many games that interest me to go out and get one. I do see Nintendo as a good console to get, I would like to play some of their games like Mario and Zelda and Smash Bros. etc.

Finally, a post from you that I can actually respect.

[BigBadBoo]

I am sure Sony has made some bad decisions as well, I never said they are perfect and I never will. But lets think about it, what is Microsoft's intent on this Xbox360? what are they going to bring to gamers that will totally change gaming forever? nothing, they just wanna get rid of Sony because it is affecting the PC gaming market and becoming a threat.

Sony on the other hand does have intentions of growing the Playstation market for the consumer. They have 2200 developers working in the world wide studios to make some exclusive and unique titles. And I don't know about you, but Sony does listen to what gamers have to say about the Playstation 3 on the forums.

And basically Sony is a hardware company, they design these things, they have been extremely successful from PS1 to PS2, and hopefully with PS3. I see them as doing good for the gaming industry, not bad. As long as they are doing good for the gaming industry, its ok. Microsoft on the other hand, they made mistakes by using Dvd's and hdd-less console and no hdmi. Yea sure it doesn't matter now, but look at what is happening.

Developers like Konami, Square, Rockstar, even creators of PGR4 admit that extra space is needed. PGR4 actually had to strip out certain things and cut corners because DVD is too small and they do not want to waste money on a second DVD. Rockstar is also complaining about disc space and the core model of Xbox360 because Rockstar wanted to use the HDD to help with load times, now it can't unless it makes it optional.

Now Sony took all the right steps, people do not criticize Sony for not having HDMI or not enough space or anything. Yes its a new architecture, yes it is harder to program for, anything will be if its new. Just a while ago, GRAW2 developers stated that PS3 is not any harder than Xbox360 to develop for, it just takes time to understand and use the different techniques to take advantage of PS3.

Ok well, I can't really argue here. It is way too much Sony propaganda in this post.

[awestruck]

I am sure Sony has made some bad decisions as well, I never said they are perfect and I never will. But lets think about it, what is Microsoft's intent on this Xbox360? what are they going to bring to gamers that will totally change gaming forever? nothing, they just wanna get rid of Sony because it is affecting the PC gaming market and becoming a threat.


Whoa there, this is a ridiculously baseless statement. So what's PS3 going to do to totally change gaming forever? Six-axis? Home? Doesn't seem that much better than what MS is trying to do or nothing in your case. And in what way is Sony "affecting" the PC market? Last I saw the PC has a fair share of upcoming releases and big exclusives including Crysis, Far Cry 2, Tabula Rasa, etc.


Sony on the other hand does have intentions of growing the Playstation market for the consumer. They have 2200 developers working in the world wide studios to make some exclusive and unique titles. And I don't know about you, but Sony does listen to what gamers have to say about the Playstation 3 on the forums.


2200 developers? Where you get that number? And how do you know that Microsoft doesn't listen or read what consumers have to say? You don't. Another baseless statement.



Developers like Konami, Square, Rockstar, even creators of PGR4 admit that extra space is needed. PGR4 actually had to strip out certain things and cut corners because DVD is too small and they do not want to waste money on a second DVD. Rockstar is also complaining about disc space and the core model of Xbox360 because Rockstar wanted to use the HDD to help with load times, now it can't unless it makes it optional.

Rockstar, yes. Square and Konami? Where did you get that? And Bizarre Creations said that they had no issue getting things on DVD and that all the reports were totally blown out of proportion.



Now Sony took all the right steps, people do not criticize Sony for not having HDMI or not enough space or anything. Yes its a new architecture, yes it is harder to program for, anything will be if its new. Just a while ago, GRAW2 developers stated that PS3 is not any harder than Xbox360 to develop for, it just takes time to understand and use the different techniques to take advantage of PS3.


We're not criticizing Sony. We're criticizing your responses as they are filled with baseless statements and ridiculous assumptions like coming to a conclusion that the 360 has no variety in games (and that they are all of one genre) by listing three FPS'. Yeah, you're a Sony supporter, we know, but there's no need to come up with absurd statements.

[mark_in_2k]

what is Microsoft's intent on this Xbox360? what are they going to bring to gamers that will totally change gaming forever? nothing, they just wanna get rid of Sony because it is affecting the PC gaming market and becoming a threat.PC gaming market? Have you not read all the articles about the PC gaming market going into a big decline for a few years now? How EBGames have been reducing shelf space for PC games for almost 2 years now?

The 360 is not MS's attempt to revive PC gaming. In fact, MS will likely make a lot less money on PC gaming as they won't be making nearly as much from the licensing for games sold for the PC market.

Consoles is where the money is. You just have to look at the multi-platform titles and their pricing to see that.

If MS wants to create the 360 purely to revive the PC gaming market, why would they great MS Game Studios and publish titles like PGR, Halo, etc, predominently for the console market?

[Majinvegeta]

Whoa there, this is a ridiculously baseless statement. So what's PS3 going to do to totally change gaming forever? Six-axis? Home? Doesn't seem that much better than what MS is trying to do or nothing in your case. And in what way is Sony "affecting" the PC market? Last I saw the PC has a fair share of upcoming releases and big exclusives including Crysis, Far Cry 2, Tabula Rasa, etc.


I am talking about console gaming, not PC gaming, and btw there is no game like Final Fantasy on PC ok? so stop acting like PC is the god of gaming, its not trust me it lacks games that are available to Consoles exclusively. This is a threat that Microsoft saw and wanted to counter by creating the Xbox. Why the hell do you think big games like Halo and Gears of War end up on PC?

Its not me who says its affecting the PC market, its Microsoft and their DirectX division.



2200 developers? Where you get that number? And how do you know that Microsoft doesn't listen or read what consumers have to say? You don't. Another baseless statement.


Baseless? stop being ignorant and at least try a google search.

“Sony Computer Entertainment Studios employs some 2,200 developers across 14 different studios… it has more programmers, artists, audio technicians and designers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined.”

http://spong.com/article/11947/Sony%20Bigger%20Than%20Nintendo%20And%20Microsoft% 20Combined?cb=196

"The report notes that Sony's Worldwide Studios employ around 2,200 staff in 14 studios, all but one, it notes, are strictly devoted to PlayStation 3 development, a number only rivaled by third party publishers like Ubisoft and Electronic Arts."

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=12890

If Microsoft was listening to its customers, the first thing they would have picked up is the RROD issue, they sure listened clearly to that one eh? took them 2 years to realize its a serious issue, now thats definitely not keeping up with your customers.




Rockstar, yes. Square and Konami? Where did you get that? And Bizarre Creations said that they had no issue getting things on DVD and that all the reports were totally blown out of proportion.

Here is one from Hideo Kojima himself, the great man behind Metal Gear Series "You may hear Blu-ray is huge, gigantic, 20 GB or so, but that's not really that big to us. One basic [gameplay] frame with HD and 5.1 takes up so much space that the capacity will become too small in no time." -

"GP: Resistance: Fall of Man uses 22 GB [edit: recently changed to 16 GB] of Blu-ray storage. Is that necessary for next-gen development? Is that massive storage something you'll need to make MGS4?

Kojima: Right away. We'll need more."

http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=94011

" Speaking at this year’s Edinburgh Interactive Festival, VP of Epic Games Mark Rein indicated that Unreal Tournament III for the Xbox 360 might have to get cut down in order to cope with the limitations of the console's hardware. Answering a question from the crowd about whether disc size would be a problem with an Xbox 360 port, he stated that “We’ll compress some things. But you know, we may have fewer maps on the 360 version...Blu-Ray has definitely given us a lot of legroom."

http://xboxer.tv/2007/08/eif_2007_xbox_360_unreal_tourn.html

"You won't see different times of day per city because this involves recreating all the textures again (one for day and one for night). Whilst this wasn't a problem for our dev team, it was a problem fitting all this data onto a single DVD."

http://360.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=11052



We're not criticizing Sony. We're criticizing your responses as they are filled with baseless statements and ridiculous assumptions like coming to a conclusion that the 360 has no variety in games (and that they are all of one genre) by listing three FPS'. Yeah, you're a Sony supporter, we know, but there's no need to come up with absurd statements.

Yea 360 does have some variety, so I was wrong, forgot those titles I guess, but I prefer the PS3 variety over the Xbox360 variety, and that is my opinion. In the end it will all depend on exclusives, and PS3 definitely has the exclusives to get back its PS2 fan base, as long as it does that, it will win.


PC gaming market? Have you not read all the articles about the PC gaming market going into a big decline for a few years now? How EBGames have been reducing shelf space for PC games for almost 2 years now?

The 360 is not MS's attempt to revive PC gaming. In fact, MS will likely make a lot less money on PC gaming as they won't be making nearly as much from the licensing for games sold for the PC market.

Consoles is where the money is. You just have to look at the multi-platform titles and their pricing to see that.

If MS wants to create the 360 purely to revive the PC gaming market, why would they great MS Game Studios and publish titles like PGR, Halo, etc, predominently for the console market?

Umm yea I know they are going into decline, and that is why Microsoft is going into the console gaming, to fight against Sony. They publish those games for console, and then some of those really big titles like Halo and Gears of War show up on the PC. MS has to give some reasoning to buy an Xbox360, otherwise people would just buy a PC and a PS2 / PS3 or some other console.

But either way, they are entering because of Sony. If it was not for Sony, the gaming industry would not be this big, if you guys would do your research you would know that. And if you know that, then there is no need to argue about that. If the industry wasn't this big, then PC gaming would still be alive and well today, but because of this boom in console gaming, PC gamers are deciding to just buy a console for gaming. Its cheaper and easier because you don't need to upgrade all the time.

[CFRTim]

Majinvegeta, stop taking too many SONY pills

[Majinvegeta]

Majinvegeta, stop taking too many SONY pills

What? even WITH Quotes I am baseless and ignorant?

[zerocool24]

why do you guys come into the ps3 thread to bash it? you dont like the ps3, bash it in the 360 thread, i didnt even bother reading most of the last 10-15 posts, but i can tell from the last 2 that you guys are going back and forth that one system is better than the other, they both have strong points, and eventually both will have solid lineups of games.

[maebach]

I agree. CFRTim is always against sony fanboys. I mean, if you let it go they wont continue. But if yuo keep poking their just gonna keep posting.

[rdtx2002]

Majinvegeta, stop taking too many SONY pills

CFRTim stop taking your MS ones ;)

Majinvegeta brought up a good discussion.. but as usual.. someone that can't rebuttle or has nothing to say would appear with one liners ;)

[ATLien69]

lol....you guys are all dorks (and I mean that in the most respectful way!) :D

on the real, that was the most waste of time reading the last 2 pages, and I killed a few brain cells... haha

[awestruck]

I am talking about console gaming, not PC gaming, and btw there is no game like Final Fantasy on PC ok? so stop acting like PC is the god of gaming, its not trust me it lacks games that are available to Consoles exclusively. This is a threat that Microsoft saw and wanted to counter by creating the Xbox. Why the hell do you think big games like Halo and Gears of War end up on PC?

Its not me who says its affecting the PC market, its Microsoft and their DirectX division.


Yeah, I know you are talking about console gaming that's why I asked how the PS3 is going to change gaming forever and how Microsoft is not. How am I acting that PC is the God of gaming? I'm not. All I said is that it also has a fair share of upcoming releases and some big exclusives.



Why the hell do you think big games like Halo and Gears of War end up on PC?


So? To make more money? Did you forget? FF7, FF8, MGS1, MGS2, RE4, and Devil May Cry 3 are on PC and those are big games.



"You won't see different times of day per city because this involves recreating all the textures again (one for day and one for night). Whilst this wasn't a problem for our dev team, it was a problem fitting all this data onto a single DVD."

http://360.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=11052


Straight from the dev's website.
http://www.bizarrecreations.com/article.php?article_id=5257

[Driftwood]

lol....you guys are all dorks (and I mean that in the most respectful way!) :D

on the real, that was the most waste of time reading the last 2 pages, and I killed a few brain cells... haha

+1 These fanboy debates are rediculous. Almost makes me ashamed to be a PS3 owner...

Besides, we all know the only real winner for this generation will be the Wii! :cheesygri

Anyways, lets try to get back on track. Will there be a demo for Warhawk? It looks fun, reminds me of Crimson Skies.

[Waiwai]

+1 These fanboy debates are rediculous. Almost makes me ashamed to be a PS3 owner...

Besides, we all know the only real winner for this generation will be the Wii! :cheesygri

Anyways, lets try to get back on track. Will there be a demo for Warhawk? It looks fun, reminds me of Crimson Skies.

I wonder about the Warhawk demo as well. But realistically, I see a problem with having some way of limiting your experience. Do you make it time based? Make it so that only people who are playing the demo play with each other? Level restriction?

[caticusprime]

They'll probably make it like Battlefield, 1 map only, limited access to the vehicles. Which is fine by me, because I played the BF demo for about a month because even with the limits, it was better than most released games of that genre.

[CFRTim]

I agree. CFRTim is always against sony fanboys. I mean, if you let it go they wont continue. But if yuo keep poking their just gonna keep posting.

That's the problem; last I checked, this thread was called Playstation 3, not Playstation 3 Fanboys. You can't talk about anything in here, without a PS3fanboy taking it to the extreme.

[Majinvegeta]

That's the problem; last I checked, this thread was called Playstation 3, not Playstation 3 Fanboys. You can't talk about anything in here, without a PS3fanboy taking it to the extreme.

What am I taking to the extreme? All I am pointing out is that in my opinion Playstation 3 will win, and everyone goes insane like if it would take a miracle. The sales for PS3 are already similar to that of the PS2, infact in some cases its better like in Europe. Sony reached 1 million mark sooner than the PS2 did in its time.

If you guys go all insane just because I said that, then don't post at all. Its a Playstation 3 thread, what do you expect? of course fanboy's will be on this thread. If there was an Xbox360 thread, I can bet you there will be Xbox360 fanboys in it. It makes perfect logic, I don't understand what kind of talks you expect. I didn't say anything that is beyond the truth. People questioned some things like where I got 2200 developers from and where Konami's developer stated Blu-Ray is vital, and I gave clear quotes.

You just can't handle it because you don't know what to retort with, because obviously I made you speechless with all those quotes and what not right? if you have something to say instead of whining about fanboy's do it! make a post that relates to the topic, not about why fanboys are on a PS3 thread.

[bmaz]

What am I taking to the extreme? All I am pointing out is that in my opinion Playstation 3 will win, and everyone goes insane like if it would take a miracle. The sales for PS3 are already similar to that of the PS2, infact in some cases its better like in Europe. Sony reached 1 million mark sooner than the PS2 did in its time...
The Wii already won, the best the PS3 can hope for is second place and given the fact that the 360 has a 1 year lead and more games thats gonna be hard to overcome.
If you are still saying that the PS3 will win, then you are basing those facts off emotions not numbers.
There is nothing more extreme than an emotional fanboy.

[Majinvegeta]

The Wii already won, the best the PS3 can hope for is second place and given the fact that the 360 has a 1 year lead and more games thats gonna be hard to overcome.
If you are still saying that the PS3 will win, then you are basing those facts off emotions not numbers.
There is nothing more extreme than an emotional fanboy.

No, sorry thats called ignorance.

How much time is there in this war? ohhh about 7 years, thats how long Sony's PS2 has lasted. 7 years is a lot, and theres how many gamers out there still without a next gen console?? ohh I dunno, over a 100 million at least. You still think the war is over? thats just your ignorant side talking, there is a lot of time for change to occur.

Now lets also look at another thing. You have Nintendo...with games like Smash Brothers and Zelda and Mario, you know..the typical Nintendo games that come out on every single Nintendo console. So why is Nintendo winning this time when the Gamecube had the same kind of games? Gamecube was still cheaper as well. You really think that a controller alone is just going to make people forget about Sony?

A while back I checked IGN and their release dates, and if you compare the PS3 release dates to the Wii, you can see a significant difference in the games. By difference, I mean its like God of War, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo vs Smash Brothers, Zleda, Mario, Mario Kart. You see the difference? the style? the realism? the story? everything is different!

You honestly think people are going to say screw Final Fantasy and god of war and all those other great games i loved on my Playstation, I am going with Nintendo Wii? I don't, clearly I see the opposite. People will wait if they cannot afford it, or people will save up and buy one when they can. Until then? Playstation 2 still has a few great games coming out and recent titles to keep them busy. This christmas will be huge for Sony.

The reason behind why Nintendo is doing good is again, as the president of Nintendo said, they are attracting a new market. The President of Nintendo America himself is saying this, does he have no credibility? why are people buying a Wii? anyone will tell you its for Wii Sports! these are people who normally would not play games, they want these different unique experiences. Its the same success Nintendo had with the DS, games like Nintendogs, Brain Age etc. you think people who like God of War are going to start playing Mama Cooking and Wii Sports instead??? very unlikely.

[skule123]

Majinvegeta, stop taking too many SONY pills

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim.

[BigBadBoo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim.

At this point, there isn't much you can say to MajinVegeta. Quite a few people have pointed out the weak/baseless/ignorant points in this argument and he still insists on spewing out more.

It just seems to me that he thinks everyone is attacking his PS3 while in reality he is the one attacking the 360 and Wii. If you read all his posts, they are all full of BS.

I laugh at whoever said he made a good argument.

To sum up his arguments: "PS3 will win the war because people who bought PS2 will never buy any other console than a PS3. The 360 and Wii will not win even though they have the greater market share at the moment because PS2 won and so PS3 must also win."

[Majinvegeta]

At this point, there isn't much you can say to MajinVegeta. Quite a few people has pointed out the weak/baseless/ignorant points in this argument and he still insists on spewing out more.

It just seems to me that he thinks everyone is attacking his PS3 while in reality he is the one attacking the 360 and Wii. If you read all his posts, they are all full of BS.

I laugh at whoever said he made a good argument.

I already told you, I will even go out and buy a Wii later this year, but I do not see them winning. Again, its as he said, you are just trying to attack me, you have no intention of arguing, if you do not want to stay on topic, then you shouldn't post man.

Otherwise, if you have something factual to say, say it, I encourage it. I speak out of my ass, yet I have given quotes, it sounds like you are the ignorant one, not me.

Why don't you read WHY I think that way, then you will see it does make sense. If someone likes games like the ones I pointed out, I don't see why they would buy a console that doesn't have those games, its stupid.

SKULE: Thanks for that, it was really funny! :) and true.

[BigBadBoo]

Why don't you read WHY I think that way, then you will see it does make sense. If someone likes games like the ones I pointed out, I don't see why they would buy a console that doesn't have those games, its stupid.

I have already argued with you and I realized that it is futile. But anyway, just because am I bored at the moment...

In the above quote, your logic is too weak to back up your claims. They are really stretches. If I liked God of War, does that mean I wouldn't like Gears/BioShock/Mass Effect/Halo/Assasin's Creed/Wii Sports/Mario Strikers/etc? Why wouldn't I go out and buy a cheaper console (Wii or 360) this time around? Perhaps I decided to wait on the PS3 until I get a nice high-def TV or until I can afford it, maybe 5 years from now?

See what matters to gamers is what they can afford now, what they want to play now. Game developers/publishers see Wii and 360 with 10 million users each, while they see PS3 with 4 million. If you had the money to make a new game, and you made a game for the PS2 last time, why would you not also make the game for PS3 and 360 or Wii this time around?

Instead of tapping into a 4 million user market, you can now tap into 14 million, or if you want to go all out, 24 million user market.

[jeffyjaixx]

Majinvegeta brought up some good points with quotes as well, it boggles the mind why some people would try to rebuke it without any other quotes.

Both consoles have their pro's and con's but I hope MS fixes their "design flaw". It's been almost 2 years. I mean, c'mon. You don't pay a few hundred big ones for something that can potentially break down easily.

[BigBadBoo]

Majinvegeta brought up some good points with quotes as well, it boggles the mind why some people would try to rebuke it without any other quotes.

Both consoles have their pro's and con's but I hope MS fixes their "design flaw". It's been almost 2 years. I mean, c'mon. You don't pay a few hundred big ones for something that can potentially break down easily.

Because the quotes don't really help his main points, but rather are just side points that I have no quarrel with. I don't care if Nintendo says they are after a different market because I know that both MS/Sony want the same thing. Otherwise why try to make the PS3 and the 360 an entertainment system instead of just a console. The whole point of Sony's and MS's consoles is to have their consoles be the centre of everyone's home entertainment system.

The other quote about Blu-ray capacity is a joke. Mark Rein is a moron if you follow the industry. The dude dissed the Wii saying how it is going to suck, and then retorted once he got burned for it. And now he is sucking up to Sony because Sony sent a group of engineers to get his ****** engine working for the PS3. This is all commonly known news if you follow the industry.

How big is a UT map such that it won't fit on a DVD? It's a frigging joke. Does anyone have UT2004 installed? Check the size of one downloaded map. Besides, if we can download frigging 1.8 gig demos (BioShock) off Live, why the hell would you not upload maps on there.

[jeffyjaixx]

Because the quotes don't really help his main points, but rather are just side points that I have no quarrel with. I don't care if Nintendo says they are after a different market because I know that both MS/Sony want the same thing. Otherwise why try to make the PS3 and the 360 an entertainment system instead of just a console. The whole point of Sony's and MS's consoles is to have their consoles be the centre of everyone's home entertainment system.

The other quote about Blu-ray capacity is a joke. Mark Rein is a moron if you follow the industry. The dude dissed the Wii saying how it is going to suck, and then retorted once he got burned for it. And now he is sucking up to Sony because Sony sent a group of engineers to get his ****** engine working for the PS3. This is all commonly known news if you follow the industry.

Whether Mark Rein is a moron or not, I can not say. All I know is that the 360 version is having problems with capacity that the PS3 version/PC version does not due to the fact that MS had to introduce a SKU without a standardized HDD.

Now Epic can do DLC but whether it will be free still remains unknown. Also, what about those Core owners? Screwed and forced to buy a $100 + HDD.

Besides, it is still WAY too early to declare a winner.

[CFRTim]

Whether Mark Rein is a moron or not, I can not say. All I know is that the 360 version is having problems with capacity that the PS3 version/PC version does not due to the fact that MS had to introduce a SKU without a standardized HDD.

Besides, it is still WAY too early to declare a winner.

Now Epic can do DLC but whether it will be free still remains unknown. Also, what about those Core owners? Screwed and forced to buy a $100 + HDD?

I don't know about moron, but he's sure fulll of ****. This guy will shift he's opinion every day, depending where the money is coming from. When GOW came out, Mark was talking about how great M$ and XBOX 360 are. So please don't quote me Mark Rein

[Majinvegeta]

I have already argued with you and I realized that it is futile. But anyway, just because am I bored at the moment...

In the above quote, your logic is too weak to back up your claims. They are really stretches. If I liked God of War, does that mean I wouldn't like Gears/BioShock/Mass Effect/Halo/Assasin's Creed/Wii Sports/Mario Strikers/etc? Why wouldn't I go out and buy a cheaper console (Wii or 360) this time around? Perhaps I decided to wait on the PS3 until I get a nice high-def TV or until I can afford it, maybe 5 years from now?

See what matters to gamers is what they can afford now, what they want to play now. Game developers/publishers see Wii and 360 with 10 million users each, while they see PS3 with 4 million. If you had the money to make a new game, and you made a game for the PS2 last time, why would you not also make the game for PS3 and 360 or Wii this time around?

Instead of tapping into a 4 million user market, you can now tap into 14 million, or if you want to go all out, 24 million user market.

I agree, it makes total sense for developers to go with the console that has the most amount of potential customers, and for some developers, to make games on ALL consoles.

But thing is, PS2 was expensive too, but people waited until it got to their price range and bought it. Yea, some people will buy a Wii and or a Xbox360 and maybe wait until the PS3 drops in price or gets its good games out, I never said they wouldn't. But you also said they may eventually buy a PS3, and I said earlier, thats all that matters to Sony.

As long as the people eventually buy one, thats one more console sold for the PS3. But I understand that some people will like games out for other consoles. But I find it funny that people just say, oh Wii is selling crazy, it wins. Its waaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy too early to declare a winner, I am just giving my opinion, and my opinion is Playstation 3 WILL Win, I am not declaring anyone the winner, I am giving my opinion about why PS3 will win this war, not HAS WON THE WAR.

Theres a loooooooooong way to go, so many years that things can change over. Dreamcast also had a 10 million unit headstart, look at where it ended up, Playstation 2 won. Even though Dreamcast was at $150 and PS2 was at $399.99.

So, all I am saying is this, people who liked games like Gran Turismo and Final Fantasy and God of War, will want to come back for more, now guess which console has them exclusively? Playstation 3. So whether they buy an Xbox now and PS3 later doesn't matter, but if those people go out and buy a PS3 that makes it another sold unit for Sony.

I can see Xbox360 gaining a larger fan base possibly (if they fix their issue), I can see Nintendo gaining a big chunk of a brand new fan base, but I see Sony ending up as the winner once again because of its exclusive titles and brand name and huge variety.

[CFRTim]

Majinvegeta, to be honest, I've never seen so much verbatim in my life, I just can't be bothered.

[BigBadBoo]

but I see Sony ending up as the winner once again because of its exclusive titles and brand name and huge variety.

History proves you wrong. Nintendo had the same qualities and lost to Sony. It is not how well you did the in the past that will keep you winning. Rather it is how well you keep playing. Right now, MS is doing well, Nintendo is playing the best, and Sony keeps telling us to wait.

I think this is my last post on this subject. Damn me for not having anything better to do on a lovely sunday.

[bmaz]

.... If someone likes games like the ones I pointed out, I don't see why they would buy a console that doesn't have those games, its stupid...
You are not getting it are you, people are not switching from the PS2/Xbox to the Wii.
The Wii has tapped into a new market, my friends Parents who have never played console games, are playing the Wii, grandparents are playing the Wii.
This console war isn't about hardcore gamers, its about who can move the most units.
Even 'hardcore' gamers such as yourself, are buying a Wii in addition to their main gaming system :arrowd:

I already told you, I will even go out and buy a Wii later this year...

[Canadianpsycho]

If the dude thinks Halo 3, BioShock and Mass Effect are all the same type of game he's clearly drinking the Sony Kool-Aid.

[Majinvegeta]

Because the quotes don't really help his main points, but rather are just side points that I have no quarrel with. I don't care if Nintendo says they are after a different market because I know that both MS/Sony want the same thing. Otherwise why try to make the PS3 and the 360 an entertainment system instead of just a console. The whole point of Sony's and MS's consoles is to have their consoles be the centre of everyone's home entertainment system.

The other quote about Blu-ray capacity is a joke. Mark Rein is a moron if you follow the industry. The dude dissed the Wii saying how it is going to suck, and then retorted once he got burned for it. And now he is sucking up to Sony because Sony sent a group of engineers to get his ****** engine working for the PS3. This is all commonly known news if you follow the industry.

How big is a UT map such that it won't fit on a DVD? It's a frigging joke. Does anyone have UT2004 installed? Check the size of one downloaded map. Besides, if we can download frigging 1.8 gig demos (BioShock) off Live, why the hell would you not upload maps on there.

Did you know those developers made a map with 20 gigs worth of textures? how do you expect to fit that one on a DVD? games are becoming bigger, you don't like it, go cry. Yea, Hideo Kojima is a dumb ass too eh? their the ones who make the games, I think they have more credibility than you and any other Playstation hater on this forum combined.

And you honestly sound like you have NO CLUE about marketing whatsoever. An entertainment system vs a fun family system, those are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. Sony is NOT after the same market, its so obvious, you could take a ****** and even he can tell you. You have a console that can handle High Defintion, has Blu-Ray for the next gen standard and you have these high end games with blood, gore, and 7.1 surround sound support yada yada. Sony is marketing to men 20's and up, Nintendo is more for E or Everyone.

[brownstein]

Here is my take,

I would not say that I am a huge gamer, but I love my 2 xbox1's with xbmc, (I hardly ever play games on them aside from the odd tiger woods match) I am, however , very interested in the new games coming out now especially with all the hd content and giggidy good graphics.

I rented a 360 months ago with the game crackdown (I love that game), as soon as I got the console back to my place it RROD'd, I didnt know anything about it at the time so I took it back to the rental place and got another. Shortly after, I bought a 360 from costco, basically just for the game Crackdown, after I beat that game, I researched about how I could make the 360 more like my xbox w/xbmc. I fiddled around with it for a week or two but just couldnt get anywhere near the same effect and basically just went back to the xbmc (I don't like how xbmc can't handle the HD stuff). I finally returned the 360 because although I was interested in a few games coming out, I just didnt play it much and I was worried about that rrod issue.

Last week, I went back to costco and picked up a PS3 because of the recent price drop and I also made the gamble that the 60 GB version with the EE would work out better in the long run (not based on any facts just a gut feeling for potential modding reasons mainly). So far, I am really impressed with it. To me, it just could not be beat with the included BR player, ability to install linux (which I have not done but am intrigued with the possibilities), free online play (I have a hard time paying for multiplayer after doing it on the PC for free for so long), etc.

My prediction is that the PS3 will be the best, most customizable Home media centre and I think that they are just at the tip of the ice berg with its potential. Gaming wise it could go either way, my interests do not lie with gaming alone. I dont feel that I am being a fanboy either way and to me the games that come out are just a bonus. It is just a big gadget to play with as far as I am concerned.

[Majinvegeta]

You are not getting it are you, people are not switching from the PS2/Xbox to the Wii.
The Wii has tapped into a new market, my friends Parents who have never played console games, are playing the Wii, grandparents are playing the Wii.
This console war isn't about hardcore gamers, its about who can move the most units.
Even 'hardcore' gamers such as yourself, are buying a Wii in addition to their main gaming system :arrowd:

I am getting it, I am getting it loud and clear what you are trying to say.

But did you see how people moved from PS1 to PS2? even though there was Dreamcast and Gamecube, even though Dreamcast was half the price, even though Nintendo Gamecube was cheaper, even though Nintendo appealled to the Everyone crowd with its fun based games like Zelda and Mario Smash bros and what not.

The war is definitley about catering to the larger market, but that will only happen if people accept playing with games like mario and smash brothers, otherwise no. And just because nintendo is selling well today, does not mean it will sell well tomorrow.

[Sohjonn]

hey Majinvegeta, don't mind timmy and his goons. they're just instigators. they'll go away when their 360's comes back from MS. however the peace will be short when their 360 rrod's again.

btw timmy, how are you feeling today? better, it takes time to heal.

[Majinvegeta]

hey Majinvegeta, don't mind timmy and his goons. they're just instigators. they'll go away when their 360's comes back from MS. however the peace will be short when their 360 rrod's again.

btw timmy, how are you feeling today? better, it takes time to heal.

Hahaha yea! I am not going to let them put me down, I know Sony is going to win this! :) just watch.

Dang, so instead of just replacing for 1 year, now they get to replace for 3 whole years! zomg what a kool game, its called "Replace your Console 2000!"

[Brownbear]

But did you see how people moved from PS1 to PS2? even though there was Dreamcast and Gamecube, even though Dreamcast was half the price, even though Nintendo Gamecube was cheaper, even though Nintendo appealled to the Everyone crowd with its fun based games like Zelda and Mario Smash bros and what not.

The war is definitley about catering to the larger market, but that will only happen if people accept playing with games like mario and smash brothers, otherwise no. And just because nintendo is selling well today, does not mean it will sell well tomorrow.

+1

[Symcor]

With the latest 80GB PS3 without hardware support for backward compatibility, is that mean I can't play any PS2 games on PS3 or just less titles to be available?

Also, before I purchase any PS2 games in the future, how can I be sure the game I purchase will playable on PS3 without opening it?

I am currently don't have any game console, but would like to gather some inforamtion before making any decision.

Thanks

[Majinvegeta]

With the latest 80GB PS3 without hardware support for backward compatibility, is that mean I can't play any PS2 games on PS3 or just less titles to be available?

Also, before I purchase any PS2 games in the future, how can I be sure the game I purchase will playable on PS3 without opening it?

I am currently don't have any game console, but would like to gather some inforamtion before making any decision.

Thanks

There will be emulated support, so you will still be able to play your PS2 games, but the compatibility will be a little difficult, not too much though, in Europe its already over 85%.

http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/CompatibleStatus

With this link you can search the PS2 games you intend to buy, and you can find out the compatibility for them. And then depending on that you can buy or choose not to buy the game :).

[Brownbear]

With the latest 80GB PS3 without hardware support for backward compatibility, is that mean I can't play any PS2 games on PS3 or just less titles to be available?

Also, before I purchase any PS2 games in the future, how can I be sure the game I purchase will playable on PS3 without opening it?

I am currently don't have any game console, but would like to gather some inforamtion before making any decision.

Thanks

Quoted from 1up:

'As predicted, Sony Computer Entertainment America has followed the steps taken in Europe to start reducing PlayStation 3 costs by removing parts. Consequently, when the newly announced 80GB SKU arrives with MotorStorm in August, it will come without the Emotion Engine that allowed PS One and PlayStation 2 games to run natively. Instead, PS3 now achieves backwards compatibility via software emulation.' http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3160917

and heres a way you can find out whether a game is compatible or not http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/CompatibleStatus

*after realization that majin beat me to it*
Damnit Majin, you've been on this thread all day. Hahaha.

[Majinvegeta]

Quoted from 1up:

'As predicted, Sony Computer Entertainment America has followed the steps taken in Europe to start reducing PlayStation 3 costs by removing parts. Consequently, when the newly announced 80GB SKU arrives with MotorStorm in August, it will come without the Emotion Engine that allowed PS One and PlayStation 2 games to run natively. Instead, PS3 now achieves backwards compatibility via software emulation.' http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3160917

and heres a way you can find out whether a game is compatible or not http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/CompatibleStatus

*after realization that majin beat me to it*
Damnit Majin, you've been on this thread all day. Hahaha.

ROFL yea I Know hahah. I am at work, and its slow today, I am doing other things as well, but also keeping up to date on this thread ;).

[sfu_lifer]

ROFL yea I Know hahah. I am at work, and its slow today, I am doing other things as well, but also keeping up to date on this thread ;).

Just because it's on the list, doesn't mean it'll fully play properly. Sony is not gonna spend the money to stress test every game. They pointed that out long ago. I still would buy the 60GB ones if you can find them if you care about PS2 support.
Laptop HDs are getting affordable now.

[Majinvegeta]

Just because it's on the list, doesn't mean it'll fully play properly. Sony is not gonna spend the money to stress test every game. They pointed that out long ago. I still would buy the 60GB ones if you can find them if you care about PS2 support.
Laptop HDs are getting affordable now.

Actually they do. They have stated that they will not be working on it as much as on other things, they are shifting some of the support to do work elsewhere, but there are people who sit there finding problems and fixing them. Its just like those developers who make PS2 emulation for the PC, same kind of thing. So yes it does get improved over time, how fast? I don't know, but its not perfect thats for sure. and Some will play properly, others will not.

[maebach]

For some reason, I like the PS3 DiRT better than the X360 version. I cant wait until LAIR comes out. I just hope its not dissappointing

[rahzel]

Just because it's on the list, doesn't mean it'll fully play properly. Sony is not gonna spend the money to stress test every game. They pointed that out long ago. I still would buy the 60GB ones if you can find them if you care about PS2 support.
Laptop HDs are getting affordable now.
i dunno if they do or not, but if you actually search some games on the playstation site, for some games, they state issues that have been confirmed and they even say which issues have been resolved in firmware updates.

[crimsona]

So I just found out that Disgaea 3 will be released for the PS3. The only reaction I have is: why.

Saw a few screenshots, looks like something the PS2 could handle fairly easily.

[rdtx2002]

So I just found out that Disgaea 3 will be released for the PS3. The only reaction I have is: why.

Saw a few screenshots, looks like something the PS2 could handle fairly easily.

not everything is about graphics and bling bling

[crimsona]

not everything is about graphics and bling bling

So why not just leave it for the PS2 like the first two games?

Would have been nice to have the trilogy for one system...

[rdtx2002]

So why not just leave it for the PS2 like the first two games?

Would have been nice to have the trilogy for one system...

Could be many reasons. They want to experience PS3 coding? Perhaps they want to help the PS3 boost sales? or maybe they 'might' just include 1 and 2 to #3.. just a thought.

[sfu_lifer]

Actually they do. They have stated that they will not be working on it as much as on other things, they are shifting some of the support to do work elsewhere, but there are people who sit there finding problems and fixing them. Its just like those developers who make PS2 emulation for the PC, same kind of thing. So yes it does get improved over time, how fast? I don't know, but its not perfect thats for sure. and Some will play properly, others will not.
The BC team is quite small from an insider I know. Resources are being taken away constantly. The priority for BC is on the absolute low-end for the PS3.
If you're hoping for massive improvement to the list, you'll be sorely disappointed. Which is why for the fence sitters, take advantage of the 60GB firesale and better PS2 compat.

[qam]

Any comments on the Gamer Advisory Panel? I just received an invitation via email and I was wondering what the benefits are for joining. I am somewhat puzzled as to why an offer was extended to me as I don't see myself as much of a gamer anymore despite the email claiming that invitations are offered to the most enthusiastic PlayStation owners.

[sfu_lifer]

Any comments on the Gamer Advisory Panel? I just received an invitation via email and I was wondering what the benefits are for joining. I am somewhat puzzled as to why an offer was extended to me as I don't see myself as much of a gamer anymore despite the email claiming that invitations are offered to the most enthusiastic PlayStation owners.

You can get some cool stuff if you're part of this and do the surveys etc.
I got a nice organizer from them with a 10pk CD holder from them before.
I also got some demos of games that weren't offered to the general public.
If you're not consistent in filling out the surveys though, you will get dropped from the list (I did).

Limited time only Folklore demo coming for our European cousins on Wed via PSN! Better create your Euro account now ;).

[maebach]

I just wanted to know, if I bought a 24 inch LCD screen for my PC, and plugged my PS3 in there and played (after getting VGA cables), would the picture be close to HD?

[Anteros]

I just wanted to know, if I bought a 24 inch LCD screen for my PC, and plugged my PS3 in there and played (after getting VGA cables), would the picture be close to HD?


It depends on your monitor and what you're playing.

If you're playing a Blu-Ray movie, your monitor must support HDCP and you must connect using HDMI/DVI to get anything higher than 480p. If you're playing a standard DVD, it will upscale both component and HDMI/DVI depending on the resolution of your monitor.

If you're playing a game, you can connect by either component or HDMI/DVI to get anything up to 1080p.

So, if you're concerned about HD resolutions, I would recommend finding a monitor that has a DVI connection (are there any that don't in this day and age?)and supports HDCP. Then buy a HDMI -> DVI converter cable. The resolution (720p, 1080i, 1080p) is up to you.

Right now I have my PS3 hooked up to my 20 inch monitor using a HDMI -> DVI converter cable. It supports 720p and 1080i and looks great.

[marcopolo85]

Any comments on the Gamer Advisory Panel? I just received an invitation via email and I was wondering what the benefits are for joining. I am somewhat puzzled as to why an offer was extended to me as I don't see myself as much of a gamer anymore despite the email claiming that invitations are offered to the most enthusiastic PlayStation owners.

I got the same email :D
Apparently the warhawk beta required you to be a GAP member (or was it home beta i dunno i forget) But yeah being a GAP member has its benefits. At the end of the survey it asked for you t-shirt size. Hopefully we get a free t-shirt :cheesygri

[Menace]

Sweet! I just received my 5 free movies.

I sent it in around July 19.

[qam]

You can get some cool stuff if you're part of this and do the surveys etc.
I got a nice organizer from them with a 10pk CD holder from them before.
I also got some demos of games that weren't offered to the general public.
If you're not consistent in filling out the surveys though, you will get dropped from the list (I did).

Limited time only Folklore demo coming for our European cousins on Wed via PSN! Better create your Euro account now ;).

Thanks for the input.

[Majinvegeta]

You can get some cool stuff if you're part of this and do the surveys etc.
I got a nice organizer from them with a 10pk CD holder from them before.
I also got some demos of games that weren't offered to the general public.
If you're not consistent in filling out the surveys though, you will get dropped from the list (I did).

Limited time only Folklore demo coming for our European cousins on Wed via PSN! Better create your Euro account now ;).

I also just got into GAP!! so happy :). So what are these surveys that I should be completing? I see none...

[zerocool24]

how did you get into it? did you sign up somewhere? I'd be interested too.

[Majinvegeta]

how did you get into it? did you sign up somewhere? I'd be interested too.

They have to invite you, unless Sony invites you, you can't join. I honestly hardly ever went to Playstation.com forum, although I am a member and do have some of my stuff registered, I don't really partake in the forums much and still got in. So I have no clue how they choose their members, could be just random.

[zerocool24]

They have to invite you, unless Sony invites you, you can't join. I honestly hardly ever went to Playstation.com forum, although I am a member and do have some of my stuff registered, I don't really partake in the forums much and still got in. So I have no clue how they choose their members, could be just random.

oh, im not a member at playstation.com, maybe i should become one and register a bunch of my games

[Majinvegeta]

oh, im not a member at playstation.com, maybe i should become one and register a bunch of my games

Yup, that is a necessary step. Make sure you put in the real address information and everything, they will use it to contact you, they will also use your email address to contact you as well.

Cool thing with GAP is that from time to time they mail you real neat stuff, and sometimes you get to partake in exclusive beta's and stuff. Its really great :D.

[sfu_lifer]

Yup, that is a necessary step. Make sure you put in the real address information and everything, they will use it to contact you, they will also use your email address to contact you as well.

Cool thing with GAP is that from time to time they mail you real neat stuff, and sometimes you get to partake in exclusive beta's and stuff. Its really great :D.

It's been 2 years since I got dropped so I don't know what's changed. But I had to fill out some surveys when I got emailed about them. Mind you I had a US account so I don't know if that makes a difference. I think I got in by registering a whole bunch of PS2 products that I owned.

[marcopolo85]

New sweet ass MGS4 video
http://kotaku.com/gaming/breaking/metal-gear-solid-games-convention-trailer-292179.php?autoplay=true

[CFRTim]

Sweet indeed

[xjohnx]

New sweet ass MGS4 video
http://kotaku.com/gaming/breaking/metal-gear-solid-games-convention-trailer-292179.php?autoplay=true

it's nice if it were a movie, I actually like to do things in my games...

[sfu_lifer]

it's nice if it were a movie, I actually like to do things in my games...
This is MGS4 and Kojima we're talking about. Hollywood style cutscenes are his MO.

[rahzel]

GT5 cockpit video.
http://www.jeux-france.com/news21453_gc-video-gran-turismo-5-prologue.html

the rear/side mirrors are obviously not finished yet as they're useless. but man does this look good.

[CFRTim]

GT5 cockpit video.
http://www.jeux-france.com/news21453_gc-video-gran-turismo-5-prologue.html

the rear/side mirrors are obviously not finished yet as they're useless. but man does this look good.

GT5 Prologue, the game in the video link you provided, should be close to its final stage now, since is coming out in about 2 mths. Anyway, the game looks amazing. Still no damage?

[rahzel]

GT5 Prologue, the game in the video link you provided, should be close to its final stage now, since is coming out in about 2 mths. Anyway, the game looks amazing. Still no damage?
whatever, Prologue is basically a teaser for GT5. the Prologue still has another month or 2 to finish up. i highly doubt they would release the Prologue with such terrible rear/side mirrors. other than that, it looked amazing.

also, i wouldn't hold your breath for damage. as long as the AI has improved, i'm ok without damage (like i always have been with the GT series).

[Majinvegeta]

Prologue will be great.

16 player online, 5 tracks and 50 cars :) all info from the Leipzig Game Conference that Sony held today.

Can't wait to play you guys online! (whoever has a PS3 that is)

[Majinvegeta]

While you guys are at it, heres 6 new amazing Killzone 2 shots.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1095/1203820377_69a9f2edf3_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1421/1204681694_ea41a4ed32_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1301/1203819851_d72dd9bc0e_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1118/1204681342_0dd2c9523e_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1148/1204680992_f4a8891bc2_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1201/1203819071_bede301cba_o.jpg

Love the detail and realism, this game will be AMAZING. Gears of what? :lol:

[marcopolo85]

it's nice if it were a movie, I actually like to do things in my games...

Im not even gonna dignify that with a response. Your sir are an idiot.

[xjohnx]

Im not even gonna dignify that with a response. Your sir are an idiot.

why? because I enjoy gameplay more than cut scenes? that's my point here, I'm not trying to start something.

[sfu_lifer]

Love the detail and realism, this game will be AMAZING. Gears of what? :lol:
Looking better than the trailer they put out. I played Killzone 1 though and the gameplay there sucked and since this sounds like it's being handled by the same company so I'll have to withhold judgment till I actually play it. One of the PS3 titles I'll be watching out for, that's for sure.

Can't wait for GT5 Prologue. I do hope it's free (or very minimal costs). Hope it supports all the Logitech wheels like the GTHD did.

[marcopolo85]

why? because I enjoy gameplay more than cut scenes? that's my point here, I'm not trying to start something.

If so then i apologize it just seemed alot like flamebait to me. I for one enjoy the cut scenes, it just adds so much more to the story and makes it seem like your immersed in the game and adds so much more to the storyline. Its what MGS series is known for.




Btw if anyone wants to add me to their friends list my psn id is MoistTowelette
I plan on buying Warhawk and GRAW2. Currently have R6:vegas, resistance and motorstorm.

[Majinvegeta]

Looking better than the trailer they put out. I played Killzone 1 though and the gameplay there sucked and since this sounds like it's being handled by the same company so I'll have to withhold judgment till I actually play it. One of the PS3 titles I'll be watching out for, that's for sure.

Can't wait for GT5 Prologue. I do hope it's free (or very minimal costs). Hope it supports all the Logitech wheels like the GTHD did.

Totally understand, I tried playing Killzone 1 and for some reason found the game play to be a little difficult to my taste. Now of course since they did improve on graphics big time, and have a huge budget plus over 140 developers working on it, I am pretty sure they will try to cover all areas and improve over their previous game. But yea, hopefully they will have a demo before the release so we can test what the game is like.

[xjohnx]

If so then i apologize it just seemed alot like flamebait to me. I for one enjoy the cut scenes, it just adds so much more to the story and makes it seem like your immersed in the game and adds so much more to the storyline. Its what MGS series is known for.

Btw if anyone wants to add me to their friends list my psn id is MoistTowelette
I plan on buying Warhawk and GRAW2. Currently have R6:vegas, resistance and motorstorm.

yeah unfortunately I've never gotten into the metal gear series, I have subsistence but have yet to play it. I should since I rarely have been using the PS3 (I have all 3 consoles, play the 360 more these days).

if the cut scenes don't take away from a lot of the game play length it'll be worth it, just not use to seeing them last that long :lol:

[CFRTim]

yeah unfortunately I've never gotten into the metal gear series, I have subsistence but have yet to play it. I should since I rarely have been using the PS3 (I have all 3 consoles, play the 360 more these days).

if the cut scenes don't take away from a lot of the game play length it'll be worth it, just not use to seeing them last that long :lol:

MGS series are great games, and the cut-scenes are a very important part of the game. This game is vey story driven, and better than many movies I've seen

[CFRTim]

While you guys are at it, heres 6 new amazing Killzone 2 shots.
Love the detail and realism, this game will be AMAZING. Gears of what? :lol:

Please don't. I bet you anything that if GOW would ever come to the PS3(keep dreaming) it would outsell KZ2. But lets just wait, look at all the hype around Lair

[rahzel]

Please don't. I bet you anything that if GOW would ever come to the PS3(keep dreaming) it would outsell KZ2. But lets just wait, look at all the hype around Lair
thats a bold statement... if KZ2 actually ends up being a good game, i bet you it wouldn't. but since GeoW will never come to PS3, we will never know. GeoW already sold millions on 360 and it will probably sell a couple million on PC when it gets released. that would steal a lot of potential buyers if it did get released on PS3. whereas Killzone is one of the most anticipated PS3 titles despite the first being mediocre at best, many PS3 owners (including me) were blown away from the gameplay footage, so if it does end up being a good game, i think it will sell extremely well.

[Majinvegeta]

Please don't. I bet you anything that if GOW would ever come to the PS3(keep dreaming) it would outsell KZ2. But lets just wait, look at all the hype around Lair

GeOW isn't that great, its just over rated. Yea it sells, but what has it done that is amazing or different than other FPS? nothing really, and in fact its short, its got small areas, with 3 - 4 enemies that pop out at one time. A pathetic online that I wouldn't even call online (4on4? rofl).

Killzone 2 looks much much more promising. Here, read this article on how Killzone 2 has the most advanced and most realistic lighting EVER DONE ON ANY GAME - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=134998

What is also amazing is if you look in the video, when the enemy shoots the wood, it actually breaks realistically. When we look at more footage, we can see that shooting at walls seems to actually break the cement to the point where you can see the steel foundation within. From the footage you can also see how enemies react to bullets. Gears of War? you shoot the enemy and it gets hurt and eventually dies. Killzone 2? you shoot the enemy and he will react to every bullet realistically, and blood will spew out from exactly that location, and then the enemy falls realistically and you can see blood extract outwards all over the floor. We can also see that the map is huge, you don't have tiny corridors and limited room like you do in Gears of War, there is more freedom like in Resistance Fall of Man. You can easily see over 10 characters on screen at one time, so I don't know what you are talking about.

As for story and game play, just be patient and wait. I doubt it will disappoint since Sony and GG are spending over 20 million USD and have over 140 developers working on this title. Since they set that high level of standard, and since they have had a lot of feedback on the first one, I am sure they will work to improve on it. Basics of management state, you take feedback and you resolve any criticism. I would laugh and be shocked if a Corporation like Sony would ignore that.

So just because the 1st one did poorly doesn't necessarily mean the 2nd will be worse or just as bad. If that was the case, Halo 3 should be crap as well, after all, many criticize Halo 2 sucked. But that isn't the way things work, you take feedback to fix problems so that you keep your customers happy, not the other way around. It benefits the company, because they make more money, and it benefits the customer because they get a good product. its a win / win, so it would be STUPID to ignore any bugs or issues that customers complain about.

[CFRTim]

Judging by what you have to say about GOW you never played the game; technically, is not even an FPS, so I won’t even get into this with you. And do you always feel the need to go on rambling so much, about how this sucks, and that sucks. Just looking at the size of your post gives me a headache, and in the end, all I gathered is M$ sucks, SONY rules. At least if you had some humor somewhere in there, but you’re even lacking that, and you take things too personal

[sfu_lifer]

Boy what a dumb game. Folksnore it is.
Dumbest game mechanic ever, moving the entire controller up to absorb Id. Half the time it wouldn't register; added just to say they're making use of motion controls. Graphics feels like an upscaled PS2 game with better textures and some shader effects. I knew I couldn't trust the company that made Genji :twisted:
Oh and Halo 2 may have disappointed but take a look at the ratings. Damn sight higher than KZ1.

[Majinvegeta]

Judging by what you have to say about GOW you never played the game; technically, is not even an FPS, so I won’t even get into this with you. And do you always feel the need to go on rambling so much, about how this sucks, and that sucks. Just looking at the size of your post gives me a headache, and in the end, all I gathered is M$ sucks, SONY rules. At least if you had some humor somewhere in there, but you’re even lacking that, and you take things too personal

Sorry, no I haven't played it, only watched videos. Its a 3rd person shooter, not FPS -_-'. But anyways, don't be ignorant, just read about the lighting yourself. This game isn't crap, its turning out to be amazing, I am not the only one who says so.

You started the ramble by quoting me and telling me how this game is going to be a flop and not sell more than GeOW. When already clearly we can see the graphics are way above GeOW, as for the rest, we have to wait and see. I just gave my opinion graphics wise, and graphics / animation wise Killzone 2 is superior. Just read that article I posted.


Boy what a dumb game. Folksnore it is.
Dumbest game mechanic ever, moving the entire controller up to absorb Id. Half the time it wouldn't register; added just to say they're making use of motion controls. Graphics feels like an upscaled PS2 game with better textures and some shader effects. I knew I couldn't trust the company that made Genji :twisted:
Oh and Halo 2 may have disappointed but take a look at the ratings. Damn sight higher than KZ1.

Doesn't matter to me, Killzone 2 is a highly anticipated game as I said earlier, and Sony and GG are putting a lot of funding and work on it, so I do not think it will disappoint. Now since we have very little information on story and what not, can't really comment now, but we can on its graphics and animation SO FAR. It is already improving, from those 6 screens we can see improvements, and it is definitely looking better than anything so far (other than Crysis).

[ATLien69]

Thats what I always felt like, but seems that everyone was raving about this game and it was a lot of IGN's editors most anticipated game of 2007!??! Yeah looked/looks like a PS2 game to me alright....


Graphics feels like an upscaled PS2 game with better textures and some shader effects. .

[rdtx2002]

Judging by what you have to say about GOW you never played the game; technically, is not even an FPS, so I won’t even get into this with you. And do you always feel the need to go on rambling so much, about how this sucks, and that sucks. Just looking at the size of your post gives me a headache, and in the end, all I gathered is M$ sucks, SONY rules. At least if you had some humor somewhere in there, but you’re even lacking that, and you take things too personal

please don't confuse the God of War acronym to the Gears of War one. ;)

[rdtx2002]

- RUMOR: Sony is expected to announce the new rumble enabled SIXAXIS controller at Lzipzig GC 2007 tomorrow, the first corresponding game is Gran Turismo 5 Prologue.

- Here are the latest Japanese console hardware sales for the week of Aug 6 - 12, 2007:

NDS Lite - 147,025 [4,838,172]
Wii - 65,120 [2,430,458]
PSP - 32,147 [1,287,666]
PlayStation 3 - 21,321 [605,741]
PlayStation 2 - 12,545 [501,415]
Xbox 360 - 2,112 [135,234]
GB Micro - 366 [23,767]
NDS - 180 [2,711]
GBA SP - 138 [19,754]
GameCube - 131 [9,131]
GBA - 16 [830]

[YLSF]

This looks really cool:

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/live-from-gc07/video-of-playtv-ps3-to-psp-dvr-walkthrough-292538.php

[thecharlie]

This looks really cool:

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/live-from-gc07/video-of-playtv-ps3-to-psp-dvr-walkthrough-292538.php

Too bad it won't be coming to the Americas any time soon.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/television/harrison-sheds-light-on-us-plans-ps3-dvr-and-psp-tv-292330.php

[CFRTim]

- RUMOR: Sony is expected to announce the new rumble enabled SIXAXIS controller at Lzipzig GC 2007 tomorrow, the first corresponding game is Gran Turismo 5 Prologue.

Every time I read some inside scoop on the rumble, SONY denies the story; but than again they were denying the price cut until they made it official. I think the rumble will be a welcomed addition.

[marcopolo85]

everyone knows rumble is comming, its just a matter of time.

[joshmxpx]

Killzone 2 looks much much more promising. Here, read this article on how Killzone 2 has the most advanced and most realistic lighting EVER DONE ON ANY GAME - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=134998

A post on a forum is not an article and doesn't mean anything. If that were the case and everything written in forums was the absolute truth, we'd be in big trouble...

[edgedamage]

Anyone else looking foward to the new PSP with video out?

[Driftwood]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/815/815031p2.html

IGN UK gave Heavenly Sword a 7.0. Not a terrible score, but I was really looking forward to this game and expecting more. Dammit. Lair, Warhawk and now Heavenly Sword seem to be getting less than stellar reviews. I'm not sure what to look forward to now for PS3 games this year. :(

Oh wait, is Rock Band slated to come out this year?

[skule123]

Everything about Ratchet and Clank has looked stellar. I have faith in Insomniac, as a really solid developer releasing their second game for the platform.

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/227/932369_20070816_screen004.jpg

[CFRTim]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/815/815031p2.html

IGN UK gave Heavenly Sword a 7.0. Not a terrible score, but I was really looking forward to this game and expecting more. Dammit. Lair, Warhawk and now Heavenly Sword seem to be getting less than stellar reviews. I'm not sure what to look forward to now for PS3 games this year. :(

Really had to bite my tongue here. How about GT5 prologue?

[Driftwood]

Really had to bite my tongue here. How about GT5 prologue?

Oh you're right! I guess that can tide me over till the full version comes out. I'm just disappointed that games I had hoped to be A titles are turning out not to be.

[rdtx2002]

http://www.gamepro.com/microsoft/xbox360/games/news/images/130348-1-1.jpg

Source: BioShock likely coming to PS3
by GamePro Staff | 08/23/2007 | 10:36:16 AM PST print comments [ 395 ] digg this! Share on Facebook An inside source tells us that the critically acclaimed BioShock for Xbox 360 and PC is, in fact, on its way to PS3 after all.

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When asked if BioShock would be coming to PS3, our contact informed us that we'd be wrong to think the game wouldn't be released on Sony's console at a later date.

UPDATE: We can't name the source, but this individual is in a position to know. Still, the information can't be confirmed until 2K Games makes an official statement, and should still be treated with a grain of salt.

This new statement validates news from Tuesday, where eagle-eyed BioShock demo owners discovered a snippet of code listing both Xbox 360 and PS3 as consoles under a file setting.

It should be noted that BioShock uses the Unreal graphics engine, which supports select Xbox 360, PC, and PS3 games.

2K Games was not immediately available for comment.

http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=130348

[rdtx2002]

GameSpot GC '07: Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Hands-On

Quote:


There are two versions of Sony's upcoming real driving simulator Gran Turismo 5 Prologue here at the 2007 Leipzig Games Convention, though it's probably fairer to call them slightly different aspects of the same game. In fact, if you want to be entirely accurate, you could say that there are actually three versions of the Gran Turismo series, if you count the downloadable Gran Turismo demo that's currently available on the PlayStation Network. Nonetheless, as we were roaming the massive Sony space in Hall 3 of the Leipziger Messe in search of all things Gran Turismo, our focus was on the two versions of Prologue.

The first version featured eight racing cabinets set up to show off the game in the way a game like this is supposed to be played: with racing seats, a full HD screen, and a Logitech wheel-and-pedal setup. The featured track was Japan's Suzuka circuit, and the game presented us with a roster of 22 cars to choose from. The full list:

Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec '97
Acura NSX '91
Daihatsu Copen Active Top '02
Dodge Viper GTS '02
Audi R8 '07
BMW Z4 '03
Volkswagen Golf GTI '01
Alfa Romeo Brera 3.2 JTS Q4 '06
Lancia Delta HF Integrale Evoluzione '91
Lotus Elise '96
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX '05
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X '07
TVR Tuscan Speed 6 '00
Renault Clio Renault Sport V6 '00
Ferrari F430 '06
Alfa Romeo 147 TI 2.0 Twin Spark '06
Mercedes-Benz SL 55 AMG '02
Audi TT Coupe '07
Ford Mustang GT '07
Nissan Xanavi Nismo Z '06
Suzuki Swift Spark '05
Nissan GT-R Proto '01

Not all of the cars were drivable, however; the Nissan Xanavi Nismo Z wasn't playable, which is a shame because it looked like one of the hottest cars on the list. Though we didn't try them all, every car we drove on the list boasted the new in-car cockpit view that will be a big part of the Gran Turismo 5 driving experience. The amount of detail in the cockpits is fantastic so far, from the complex yet elegant interior of the Ferrari F430 (with its different-colored gauges) to the futuristic-looking cockpit of the TVR Tuscan Speed 6. By the looks of things, though, there's work yet to be done. For example, when switching gears, there was no corresponding animation of your in-car driver switching gears with the gearshift. In addition, the rear- and side-view mirrors weren't working properly in the build we played.

After selecting a car and choosing options for things such as transmission, stability control, tire type, and so on, you're given a five-minute time attack session on Suzuka to do as many laps as you can.

Though there seemed to be some technical issues with the connectivity between the eight on-hand cabinets, the game was networked in a sense. In addition to racing against a number of cars controlled by the artificial intelligence, you'd occasionally come across cars driven by players in other cabinets. In addition to the eight racing cabinets, there was a separate screen on hand, which displayed a live time sheet that broke down the sector times for all cars on tracks. A camera would periodically switch between all of the different cars on track as well.

The other version of Prologue was found not too far away, in a different part of the PlayStation area. Here, players could plop down on beanbags and enjoy the game with the more conventional Sixaxis controller. While the same car roster was on hand in this version (including the unplayable Xanavi Nismo Z), the race type was a 16-car offline competition, pitting our skills against 15 AI-controlled cars, again on Suzuka.

Racing against such a large field felt odd for a Gran Turismo game, especially after so many years of battling it out against just a handful of cars. The game AI displayed the typical GT tendency to stick to its racing line, and, as a result, the cost of being bumped off the road or making an error in a turn was all the more exaggerated. After all, in older GT games, a mistake meant you were passed by three or four cars; in Prologue a mistake can put you in the back, with 15 aggressive cars to pass to get back to the head of the pack.

Beyond the cockpit view and the large number of opponents, GT 5 Prologue is immediately recognizable by its handling, particular the extremely bouncy feeling of the shocks. Weight transfer between the rear and front wheels in a car is something the GT series has always taken seriously, and you need only slam the brakes before turning into a tight corner and watch the front of the car lurch forward to see that it's still a big focus. Another familiar "feature" for the GT series--a lack of damage modeling--was also in effect. Collision detection seemed spotty in places too but, like the rest of the game, there's time for things to improve before it's released.

One other crucial difference between the two versions of Prologue was the appearance of rumble in the racing cabinet version of the game. The rumble feedback was fairly light and noticeable mainly when driving over the rumble strips that line the side of the circuit. Naturally, rumble wasn't present when playing with the Sixaxis-controlled version of the game. Still the fact that it was present in the other version gives us hope that we won't be rumble-free for long once Gran Turismo 5 is released.

Our coverage of GT 5 Prologue will continue this week here at Leipzig as we learn more about this game, which is currently slated for release in Japan in October.

[kevin01]

Are bluetooth headsets good to use online? I havent played online alot... my ps3s was on 1.5 for a long time and i didnt update, and didnt go online either so i dont know much about the online stuff.

[maebach]

I wish Bioshock releases for the PS3.

[Emancipated]

When Prologue comes out, I'll finally be able to answer a lingering question I have: How fast can I take the Ferrari 430 around the S-curves at Suzuka.

I will compare the times on GT5:P with Forza2 to see which is faster and more accurate. I get off on this stuff.

[dekcuftogu]

I wish Bioshock releases for the PS3.

Why not, I think it will be in time. Great, another 360 port on the PS3 list
When Prologue comes out, I'll finally be able to answer a lingering question I have: How fast can I take the Ferrari 430 around the S-curves at Suzuka.

I will compare the times on GT5:P with Forza2 to see which is faster and more accurate. I get off on this stuff.

How are you going to find out the more accurate one? Did you go for a test-drive in your Ferrari over the weekend?

[Firebot]

http://www.gamepro.com/microsoft/xbox360/games/news/images/130348-1-1.jpg

Source: BioShock likely coming to PS3
by GamePro Staff | 08/23/2007 | 10:36:16 AM PST print comments [ 395 ] digg this! Share on Facebook An inside source tells us that the critically acclaimed BioShock for Xbox 360 and PC is, in fact, on its way to PS3 after all.

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When asked if BioShock would be coming to PS3, our contact informed us that we'd be wrong to think the game wouldn't be released on Sony's console at a later date.

UPDATE: We can't name the source, but this individual is in a position to know. Still, the information can't be confirmed until 2K Games makes an official statement, and should still be treated with a grain of salt.

This new statement validates news from Tuesday, where eagle-eyed BioShock demo owners discovered a snippet of code listing both Xbox 360 and PS3 as consoles under a file setting.

It should be noted that BioShock uses the Unreal graphics engine, which supports select Xbox 360, PC, and PS3 games.

2K Games was not immediately available for comment.

http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=130348


If Microsoft didn't send a bunch of moneybags at the developers, then it makes perfect sense for them to release on a 2nd console. PS3 needs something, ANYTHING to get rid of the stigma of being a system with no worthwhile games, even if it comes in the form of a Xbox360 port. GT5, FFXIII and MGS4 are still a long time coming.

[sfu_lifer]

Are bluetooth headsets good to use online? I havent played online alot... my ps3s was on 1.5 for a long time and i didnt update, and didnt go online either so i dont know much about the online stuff.

Sure. How else will you talk? I've used my set for Resistance just fine.
Hey is anyone here interested in the new Eye Toy? After the debacle of the first one, I'm on the 'meh' list.

[Emancipated]

Why not, I think it will be in time. Great, another 360 port on the PS3 list

How are you going to find out the more accurate one? Did you go for a test-drive in your Ferrari over the weekend?

By comparing times from actual races that occured there. There are a plethora of data available. I'm sure I'll yield better times on the PS3 since it's compatible with the G25.

[CFRTim]

If Microsoft didn't send a bunch of moneybags at the developers, then it makes perfect sense for them to release on a 2nd console. PS3 needs something, ANYTHING to get rid of the stigma of being a system with no worthwhile games, even if it comes in the form of a Xbox360 port. GT5, FFXIII and MGS4 are still a long time coming.

You make a good point, but sometimes I think there is too much pride involved. That would change when funds are low and **** hits the fan with the stock holders

[nfnx]

still looking for 2 people to join in on the download sharing!


5 people, each pitch in 10 bucks, get 50 bucks worht of games downloadable and then each download it onto their respective console.


2 more slots avail!

[maebach]

can you list the members we have?

maebach
nfnx
_____

[sfu_lifer]

Wow even after the firesale, the PS3 still can't outsell the 360 in the US.
It did outsell the 360 in Canada's July NPD though.
US:
Wii 425 k
Nintendo DS 405 k
PlayStation 2 222k
PlayStation Portable 214k
Xbox 360 170k
PlayStation 3 159k
Game Boy Advance 87k

Canada:
DS: 45,755
Wii: 36,419
PS2: 20,278
PS3: 15,037
Xbox360: 13,119
GBA: 9,750
PSP: 5,825

At least things are looking up in Europe for the PS3. But forget even competing with the Wii, at the rate that console is selling everyone's playing for second place.

[preelude]

IGN has rated Heavenly Sword (UK) a measly 7.0...

[rahzel]

At least things are looking up in Europe for the PS3. But forget even competing with the Wii, at the rate that console is selling everyone's playing for second place.
although things are not looking good for MS and especially Sony, i think its still too early to come to that conclusion. there are still several years before this "war" ends and once the PS3/360 come to prices close to the Wii or low enough for the casual gamers to pick them up, they can make up a lot of ground. a lot of the PS2 sales were from when the PS2 was less than $300 and most likely casual gamers. and although every PS2 owner won't buy a PS3, i'm sure there are many Sony fans that are waiting for the price to come down.

[maebach]

Wow even after the firesale, the PS3 still can't outsell the 360 in the US.
It did outsell the 360 in Canada's July NPD though.
US:
Wii 425 k
Nintendo DS 405 k
PlayStation 2 222k
PlayStation Portable 214k
Xbox 360 170k
PlayStation 3 159k
Game Boy Advance 87k

Canada:
DS: 45,755
Wii: 36,419
PS2: 20,278
PS3: 15,037
Xbox360: 13,119
GBA: 9,750
PSP: 5,825

At least things are looking up in Europe for the PS3. But forget even competing with the Wii, at the rate that console is selling everyone's playing for second place.


The 360 had a price drop too didnt it?

[icecold2021]

IGN has rated Heavenly Sword (UK) a measly 7.0...

not too surprised, the demo didnt impress me very much. just felt like god of war as a chick. cant deny that the visuals were great though

[CFRTim]

The 360 had a price drop too didnt it?

Not in the month of July.

[Driftwood]

although things are not looking good for MS and especially Sony, i think its still too early to come to that conclusion. there are still several years before this "war" ends and once the PS3/360 come to prices close to the Wii or low enough for the casual gamers to pick them up, they can make up a lot of ground. a lot of the PS2 sales were from when the PS2 was less than $300 and most likely casual gamers. and although every PS2 owner won't buy a PS3, i'm sure there are many Sony fans that are waiting for the price to come down.

It will be a long time for the 360 or the PS3 to reach the level of success the Wii has had. The system has argueably already captured the casual market in terms of the current console battle, its outselling the competition by 3:1. I think sfu_lifer is correct when saying Sony and MS are playing for second place.

[maebach]

It will be a long time for the 360 or the PS3 to reach the level of success the Wii has had. The system has argueably already captured the casual market in terms of the current console battle, its outselling the competition by 3:1. I think sfu_lifer is correct when saying Sony and MS are playing for second place.

2nd place is not bad. But Im not sure if the difference between 2nd and 3rd will be alot or little. At this rate I think Sony can only match 360 marketshare. it'll be hard to pass them for market share especially when they had about a year head start

[marcopolo85]

Holy **** awesome deal for warhawk Plus bluetooth headset for 39.99!!!
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10092439

[CFRTim]

2nd place is not bad. But Im not sure if the difference between 2nd and 3rd will be alot or little. At this rate I think Sony can only match 360 marketshare. it'll be hard to pass them for market share especially when they had about a year head start

I also think this holiday season will belong to XBOX. Good price, lots of great games, overheating issues resolved. They should have this one in the books. But can they outsell the Wii as well.. mmmm...probably not


Holy **** awesome deal for warhawk Plus bluetooth headset for 39.99!!!
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10092439
Holly great price. 1 left

[maebach]

0 left

[GunnerX]

I ordered mine at 11pm last night. :D

[maebach]

its got a 9/10 rating after 100 people voted on ign. of course 100 isnt that many people. Id expect it to go down to like 8.5 probably.

[joshmxpx]

I also think this holiday season will belong to XBOX. Good price, lots of great games, overheating issues resolved. They should have this one in the books. But can they outsell the Wii as well.. mmmm...probably not

They do have a larger library coming out (mainly halo 3), but i don't think they have overcome their overheating problems. technically speaking, the new heatsinks should help greatly reduce the failure rate, but in the average consumers mind all they're going to think about is 30%. The amount of media coverage that this has gotten has probably made a lot of people hesitant to buy a 360, even thought technically the problem could be solved.

[rdtx2002]

I also think this holiday season will belong to XBOX. Good price, lots of great games, overheating issues resolved. They should have this one in the books. But can they outsell the Wii as well.. mmmm...probably not


Holly great price. 1 left

you call giving a 3 year warranty 'resolved'? ;)

[CFRTim]

you call giving a 3 year warranty 'resolved'? ;)

Forget the new heatsinks and extended warranty : http://theinquirer.net/?article=41889

[marcopolo85]

My friend got his Edge magazine in the mail today. Warhawk got an 8/10 which is really good considering bioshock got an 8/10 from edge.

Edge tends to rate all games harshly, my buddy says an 8 on edge is like getting a 9.5 on ign.
Looks like warhawk is a must for all ps3 owners.

[Squeeky]

you call giving a 3 year warranty 'resolved'? ;)

I agree the warranty only covers the RRoD. The 360 is plagued by other issues as well that MS won't repair under this deal.

In regards to the Wii's success, check out www.vgchartz.com and look at all the Wii software. Notice that the only stuff that sells is Nintendo s/w. Very few third party publishers can break in with descent sales with Nintendo monopolizing things. I think most publishers will eventually focus there effort back to the 360 and PS3 and keep the cheap to develop casual games and ports on the Wii. Not appetizing for a hard core gamer like myself.

And don't forget that all these "casual non-gamers" that bought the Wii aren't your typical gaming consumer. Most of them are quite happy playing Wii Sports and Brain Training until the cows come home. Not great when a major chunk of your installed base doesn't regularly buy games. Considering that s/w sales is where the money is lets see a few years from now what the take rate is per console.

[rahzel]

It will be a long time for the 360 or the PS3 to reach the level of success the Wii has had. The system has argueably already captured the casual market in terms of the current console battle, its outselling the competition by 3:1. I think sfu_lifer is correct when saying Sony and MS are playing for second place.
you can't steal a market... people don't just buy one console. if its cheap, its fun and has games that appeal to the casual market, it will sell. a lot can happen in 5-7 years...

[sfu_lifer]

My friend got his Edge magazine in the mail today. Warhawk got an 8/10 which is really good considering bioshock got an 8/10 from edge.

Edge tends to rate all games harshly, my buddy says an 8 on edge is like getting a 9.5 on ign.
Looks like warhawk is a must for all ps3 owners.

Can you confirm that Heavenly Sword got a 6? Folks on neogaf said it did.
Warhawk is a given already for my game sharing group if we're all allowed to share that game :D

As for 3rd party games selling, when have you seen a Wii 3rd party game advertised (other than Tiger Woods and Rayman)? Incidentally, those 3rd party games sold a lot. RE4 isn't doing too badly either.
And Wii development is quite cheap esp when compared to the PS3/360. Publishers will have to work a little harder on the Wii side to crack the casual market. You can't ignore a 10million+ and rapidly growing userbase. Seems like 360 is where it's at for 3rd party games since Microsoft doesn't release that many games.

[rahzel]

wow, thats a very good score from Edge (for Warhawk). you're lucky to get anything above 6 from Edge.

[marcopolo85]

Can you confirm that Heavenly Sword got a 6? Folks on neogaf said it did.
Warhawk is a given already for my game sharing group if we're all allowed to share that game :D

As for 3rd party games selling, when have you seen a Wii 3rd party game advertised (other than Tiger Woods and Rayman)? Incidentally, those 3rd party games sold a lot. RE4 isn't doing too badly either.
And Wii development is quite cheap esp when compared to the PS3/360. Publishers will have to work a little harder on the Wii side to crack the casual market. You can't ignore a 10million+ and rapidly growing userbase. Seems like 360 is where it's at for 3rd party games since Microsoft doesn't release that many games.

argh! i just called him and he's at work now. Ill find out for sure tomorrow.

[Driftwood]

you can't steal a market... people don't just buy one console. if its cheap, its fun and has games that appeal to the casual market, it will sell. a lot can happen in 5-7 years...

Yes as I said, it will be a long time for the other guys to catch up to the Wii. 5-7 years is waaay down the line and the next generation will probably be out by then. Its safe to assume for now and for the next year or so, that the Wii will be the most popular console among casual gamers. Sure people buy multiple consoles, I'm a PS3, Wii and a former 360 owner myself. But your average Joe will likely just buy one.

I'm not trying to knock the PS3, I have one. I'm just saying the Wii has been a huge commercial success while the other two have fallen below expectations.

At this point in the PS3 lifecycle, its mainly targetted towards the self-proclaimed hardcore gamers and early adopters. As has been said many times before, It won't appeal to the masses until the price point drops significantly. Till then, casual gamers will continue to buy the Wii.



Anyways... On to Warhawk, looks like I'll be picking it up for $39 and just renting Heavenly Sword. 6-8 hours to beat? Ssheesh! Definitely not purchase worthy. :)

[rahzel]

Yes as I said, it will be a long time for the other guys to catch up to the Wii. 5-7 years is waaay down the line and the next generation will probably be out by then. Its safe to assume for now and for the next year or so, that the Wii will be the most popular console among casual gamers. Sure people buy multiple consoles, I'm a PS3, Wii and a former 360 owner myself. But your average Joe will likely just buy one.
it doesn't even matter if the next generation consoles will be out by then, they will continue to sell. the "war" is not over until they stop production of the consoles. Sony probably plans to have the PS3 stick around for at least that amount of time as their previous PlayStation systems have. but i do agree that the Wii will continue to be the most popular for at least 1-2 years.


I'm not trying to knock the PS3, I have one. I'm just saying the Wii has been a huge commercial success while the other two have fallen below expectations.
i'm not saying you are, and i'm not saying the PS3 or 360 WILL win this generation, i'm just saying i think its too early to come to that conclusion.

as for Warhawk, i'm still on the fence on this one. the deal at BB is almost too good to pass on. but Warhawk seems to be like Battlefield and i never really liked the BF series. i wish i got in the Beta testing or i hope they release a demo.

[sfu_lifer]

Yes as I said, it will be a long time for the other guys to catch up to the Wii. 5-7 years is waaay down the line and the next generation will probably be out by then. Its safe to assume for now and for the next year or so, that the Wii will be the most popular console among casual gamers. Sure people buy multiple consoles, I'm a PS3, Wii and a former 360 owner myself. But your average Joe will likely just buy one.

I'm not trying to knock the PS3, I have one. I'm just saying the Wii has been a huge commercial success while the other two have fallen below expectations.

At this point in the PS3 lifecycle, its mainly targetted towards the self-proclaimed hardcore gamers and early adopters. As has been said many times before, It won't appeal to the masses until the price point drops significantly. Till then, casual gamers will continue to buy the Wii.





Anyways... On to Warhawk, looks like I'll be picking it up for $39 and just renting Heavenly Sword. 6-8 hours to beat? Ssheesh! Definitely not purchase worthy. :)
Nintendo is making way too much per wii console. They can drop the price by $100 and still be in the profit region. Which is kind of scary for the 360/PS3.
$175 vs $299 console, which would parents buy? Esp one which gives your kid an incentive to get off the couch and actually be physically active without having to buy anything else.
Another couple horrible/average reviews for Heavenly Sword and I'll just cancel my pre-order even though I'm getting it for $45US. I'll sink that money into Guitar Hero 3 for the PS3 instead (wireless guitars FTW).

[rahzel]

7 is not bad from IGN UK.

anyway, it got a 4.5/5 from GP (9/10).
http://www.gamepro.com/sony/ps3/games/reviews/130968.shtml

[shannn]

http://kotaku.com/gaming/gc07/gran-turismo-5-prologue-to-feature-car-damage-improved-ai-better-physics-293208.php

Awesome.

[rahzel]

GRAW2 PS3 gets a 5/5 from GameSpy. (http://ps3.gamespy.com/playstation-3/tom-clancys-ghost-recon-advanced-warfighter-2/815540p1.html)

they say its exactly the same as the 360 version.

[Badman]

http://kotaku.com/gaming/gc07/gran-turismo-5-prologue-to-feature-car-damage-improved-ai-better-physics-293208.php

Awesome.

yay. This is one of the few games that i can't wait to play and all this makes me wanna play it even more.

[CFRTim]

http://kotaku.com/gaming/gc07/gran-turismo-5-prologue-to-feature-car-damage-improved-ai-better-physics-293208.php

Awesome.

Great news, but the wording "damage effects for cars" gives room for interpretation. It could just be something similar to what GT2 had, where there was no visual damage. Now if it said "damage effects on the cars" or "visual damage effects for cars" we would know exactly what it meant. From what I've seen on the last video link for GT5 Prologue (in-game video), did not look like any visual damage occurred during collisions. I guess will just have to wait a little longer. Still the game looks superb.

[maebach]

warhawk looks really good.

[sfu_lifer]

GRAW2 PS3 gets a 5/5 from GameSpy. (http://ps3.gamespy.com/playstation-3/tom-clancys-ghost-recon-advanced-warfighter-2/815540p1.html)

they say its exactly the same as the 360 version.
GRAW2 got an 8.3 at IGN. 360 version got a 9.1.
Heavenly Sword officially gets a 7 at IGN.

[rahzel]

GRAW2 got an 8.3 at IGN. 360 version got a 9.1.
doesn't matter, they were reviewed by different people and months apart. they even say its pretty much the same.

[CFRTim]

doesn't matter, they were reviewed by different people and months apart. they even say its pretty much the same.

So why the 6 mths wait for the PS3. I remember statements like “But then we all know GRAW2 will eventually get extra content and improvements as well over the XBOX 360 version”. Now you have to settle for” pretty much the same”, but according to IGN “the colors seem a bit more washed out in the PS3 version than the 360 version” .All this was well worth the six mths. Call me arrogant, but I still think the reason was UBISOFT having problems developing (porting) the game on the PS3.

[sfu_lifer]

So why the 6 mths wait for the PS3. I remember statements like “But then we all know GRAW2 will eventually get extra content and improvements as well over the XBOX 360 version”. Now you have to settle for” pretty much the same”, but according to IGN “the colors seem a bit more washed out in the PS3 version than the 360 version” .All this was well worth the six mths. Call me arrogant, but I still think the reason was UBISOFT having problems developing (porting) the game on the PS3.
It's more like the toolset for the 360 is way way more mature than the crap (relatively) tools Sony's been doling out.
Also the score does matter. Most folks will just look and see the final tally and skim through the rest of the review.
I went back and re-read the previews on my PSM rags and the developers for the PS3 took issue with the word "porting." This was not a 360 port. It was supposed to be superior to the 360 version. Looks like that's no longer the case.

[CFRTim]

It's more like the toolset for the 360 is way way more mature than the crap (relatively) tools Sony's been doling out.
Also the score does matter. Most folks will just look and see the final tally and skim through the rest of the review.
I went back and re-read the previews on my PSM rags and the developers for the PS3 took issue with the word "porting." This was not a 360 port. It was supposed to be superior to the 360 version. Looks like that's no longer the case.

WOW, if that's the case, that's pretty sad.

[sfu_lifer]

WOW, if that's the case, that's pretty sad.
Well I'm sure they shared assets (they'd be stupid not to). And the goal they mentioned last month in online interviews was parity and it sounds like they hit it.
After reading the review for Heavenly Sword, I cancelled my pre-order and will move it to Uncharted instead whenever that starts to show up at FamilyVideo. Heavenly Sword sounds like a rental. A 6 hour quest is not good value for the money IMO.

[Firebot]

Wow even after the firesale, the PS3 still can't outsell the 360 in the US.
It did outsell the 360 in Canada's July NPD though.
US:
Wii 425 k
Nintendo DS 405 k
PlayStation 2 222k
PlayStation Portable 214k
Xbox 360 170k
PlayStation 3 159k
Game Boy Advance 87k

Canada:
DS: 45,755
Wii: 36,419
PS2: 20,278
PS3: 15,037
Xbox360: 13,119
GBA: 9,750
PSP: 5,825

At least things are looking up in Europe for the PS3. But forget even competing with the Wii, at the rate that console is selling everyone's playing for second place.

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=469929


To be fair, 1 million units per month is not unreasonable at all, considering they're finally picking up speed with the recent price drop and the additional 5 Blu-Ray movies that you get. That's $150 in value, and if you want to be mathematical about it, that makes the PS3 only $400 ;)


Just because it's SUPPOSED to be a gaming system means nothing. Ask owners of PS3s and see how many of them got it for JUST gaming. Perhaps 1 in 10, at best.

Even Sony believes it's a multimedia system, so what makes you think it's solely a gaming system? Sony markets the PS3 as a multimedia system as an incentive over the XBOX and Wii, which are marketed as solely gaming systems.

The recent $100 price drop and 5 Free BluRay movies will at least double the sales of July and forward - just wait for the July numbers and see.

So much for John Lai's awesome prediction:lol: . A 100$ price drop, and the Xbox 360 still outsells the PS3, along with the PS3 not doubling up in sales. I know I'm gonna get some smack here since it's in the PS3 thread, but this is where the NPD numbers were posted and didn't feel like bumping an old thread.

[Emancipated]

That's no laughing matter. Microsoft needs impetus to improve. You don't see Vista stagnate and that's because everyone talks about OS X.

I have a vested interest in seeing Sony improve since I bought their system. I'm still waiting for confirmation on rumble being on the road map.

[BigBadBoo]

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=469929



So much for John Lai's awesome prediction:lol: . A 100$ price drop, and the Xbox 360 still outsells the PS3, along with the PS3 not doubling up in sales. I know I'm gonna get some smack here since it's in the PS3 thread, but this is where the NPD numbers were posted and didn't feel like bumping an old thread.

LOL Nice!

Wanna also post the quotes of all the people that said BioShock was going to be on the PS3?

http://www.gamepro.com/microsoft/xbox360/games/news/images/130348-1-1.jpg

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/08/24/joystiq-interviews-bioshocks-ken-levine-about-success-and-harve/


Can you please explain what the PS3 mention is in the PC code?

That would require me to know about gaming development code. For all I know that is some random reference some guy typed in a comment line. I promise you, there is no secret plan about the PS3 that we're keeping from people. There's no PS3 development going on that we're hiding. There's lots of stuff that gets into game code, plans change over time and we got an exclusive deal with Microsoft. We were keeping our options open, maybe it comes from back then? I'd have to talk to the [code] guys to see where that came from. That's not a Rosetta Stone discovery.

Direct question, are you, or had you been, working on a PS3 version?

We are not currently.

[awestruck]

Yeah, Jon Lai is a tool. I can't remember the name of the thread anymore, but I remember him posting some baseless comment that Gears of War was 7 hours long because they couldn't fit the rest of the levels on DVD9. Now that we know from a review that Heavenly Sword on Blu-Ray is only 6-7 hours long... hmm, Jon Lai, what do you have to say now? Your fanboy comments have come back to bite you in the ass.

[CFRTim]

Hold on a second here. Didn’t I read in a different thread that the space on the BR disc was barely enough for this game. This makes me wonder WTF is on the disc if gameplay is only about 6-7 hrs( oh yeah, 1000.1 uncompressed decompressed sound). Like I said, is not how big, but how well you use it :lol:

PS3: Blu-Ray disc may not be enough... (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477595&highlight=heavenly+sword)

[CFRTim]

Regarding Bioshock having files with the name PS3 in them, doesn’t mean squat sometimes. Remember when S.T.A.L.K.E.R. came out and some files were named imp_light similar to the ones in the game DOOM III. Well, there was nothing more to it than just a file name.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/04/17/Stalker_found_innocent_of_texture_theft/1

[kevin01]

LOL Nice!

Wanna also post the quotes of all the people that said BioShock was going to be on the PS3?

http://www.gamepro.com/microsoft/xbox360/games/news/images/130348-1-1.jpg

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/08/24/joystiq-interviews-bioshocks-ken-levine-about-success-and-harve/

Want a cookie?

[rahzel]

Microsoft worked out an exclusive deal for BioShock but we don't know if thats a timed exclusive deal or a full exclusive deal. of course they don't want to let people know of another version in the works as it may hinder sales. they haven't squashed the rumor yet, just because they aren't working on a PS3 version now doesn't mean they ever will. remember, BioShock was originally going to be multiplat and they already started development on the PS3 version so theres still a very good chance it will eventually come to PS3.

[CFRTim]

Microsoft worked out an exclusive deal for BioShock but we don't know if thats a timed exclusive deal or a full exclusive deal. of course they don't want to let people know of another version in the works as it may hinder sales. they haven't squashed the rumor yet, just because they aren't working on a PS3 version now doesn't mean they ever will. remember, BioShock was originally going to be multiplat and they already started development on the PS3 version so theres still a very good chance it will eventually come to PS3.


Although I think it will make sense for the publisher to release the game on as many platforms as possible down the road and I agree with “ never say never”, did you read the last part of the interview before making your statement, or you just like rambling on::

“Direct question, are you, or had you been, working on a PS3 version?

We are not currently.”

[rahzel]

yes, yes i did. where does it say they never worked on a PS3 version before or they never will? all they said is they haven't been working on a PS3 version and they are not currently. what i meant was, when the title was originally announced, it was announced to be a multiplatform title and the PS3 version was underway, until Microsoft signed an exclusive deal (again, we don't know if its timed or whatever). also, again, they will never admit to a PS3 version in the works... saying will be working on a PS3 version will confirm a PS3 version. their deal with MS (if indeed it was a timed exclusive deal) may have included something saying they cannot mention any other version until their deal expires.

[CFRTim]

You're very ignorant. Did I say NEVER WILL. You said “ they already started development on the PS3 version so theres still a very good chance it will eventually come to PS3.” and that is not true. How is your comprehension of the english language?

“Direct question, are you, or had you been, working on a PS3 version?

We are not currently”

What I don’t understand is,if you want to play the game why don’t you just buy it on the PC; or if your PC is too outdated to enjoy the game (most of them are) just swallow your pride and buy the damn XBOX 360, it’s not that expensive, probably cheaper than upgrading a computer.

[rahzel]

name calling now? nice...

ok, maybe i got ahead of myself saying they definitely started development of the PS3 version, but you're not understanding me correctly. BioShock was announced way back in 2004. do you have any idea how long it takes to develop a game, especially one like BioShock? at least 2-5 years... PS3 dev kits were available probably years before its launch and again, BioShock was originally announced to be a multiplatform title, not until Sept 2006 did MS sign a deal with 2k securing exclusivity of the game and it was announced to be a 360 exclusive. what do you think 2k Boston was doing for 2 years? working on the 360/PC versions exclusively?

what i meant was, they most likely at least started development of the PS3 version when it was announced way back in 2004. your quote doesn't prove me wrong either. the question that was asked was "Direct question, are you, or had you been, working on a PS3 version?", all that says is they haven't and currently are not working on a PS3 version, that doesn't necessarily mean they didn't start development of the PS3 version from the time it was announced until the time MS and 2k signed the deal.

thing is, i don't even really want to play the game... if i want, i CAN on my PC. i tried the demo and maybe i will pick it up sometime. all i'm saying is theres still a chance it will come to PS3 depending on the exclusive deal MS and 2k signed.

maybe you should get your facts straight before you go on calling ME ignorant. :rolleyes: :lol:

[maebach]

wow. PS3 haters get out please. theres liek 10 posts on how bioshock is not on the ps3. thanks we know now.


moving on, how are there so many reviews on warhawk when its not even out yet? Ign has 100+ player reviews. :\

[joshmxpx]

wow. PS3 haters get out please. theres liek 10 posts on how bioshock is not on the ps3. thanks we know now.


moving on, how are there so many reviews on warhawk when its not even out yet? Ign has 100+ player reviews. :\

TRolls who think they're game journalists...

[Emancipated]

So, um, have any of you PS3 cognoscente heard anything regarding rumble in their controller?

[sfu_lifer]

wow. PS3 haters get out please. theres liek 10 posts on how bioshock is not on the ps3. thanks we know now.


moving on, how are there so many reviews on warhawk when its not even out yet? Ign has 100+ player reviews. :\

Some of those users obviously played the beta. I bet most of them though are fanboys who've never touched it :cheesygri
Happens all the time with the user reviews. If we can gameshare this, insta-buy for me. The beta was "ok" from the brief playtime I've had with it.
As for SIXAXIS rumble, there were big rumors they'd announce it at Leipzig but obviously nothing came out of it. Shame, perhaps with TGS they'd have something. It makes no sense to settle with Immersion if they're not gonna put it on eventually.
As for Bioshock, it sounds like it's a pretty firm exclusive. Reading between the lines though, we can't say for sure the Bioshock franchise will never come to PS3. They prolly gave up on the PS3 port and asked MS for money to keep it in the 360/PC combo.

[CFRTim]

name calling now? nice...


Maybe I got ahead of myself too, but I was referring to you ignoring my previous post where I said I agree with “never say never”. Anyway, moving on. Looks like Haze is set to be the first real must-have game for the PlayStation 3. Before some of you get too excited, and make some smart-ass remarks, remember the game is only time exclusive on the PS3

The game was set to be released on the PlayStation 3 on November 23, 2007 with Xbox 360 and PC releases following a week later. However, at Sony's E3 2007 Press Conference, it was revealed that during 2007, Haze would be a PS3 exclusive. It will release on the Xbox 360 and PC sometime in 2008.

http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/2007/08/25/haze_exclusive_hands-on/1

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f4/Haze_boxart.jpg/256px-Haze_boxart.jpg

[Emancipated]

Well, no rumble, no FPS on PS3 for me. I felt so catatonic playing R:FOM. Haze looks damn good though; I like to think of it as the Crysis that never was. Then Killzone2, COD4 (I'm actually torn between which console for this I should get since all the trailers/gameplay footage has been PS3 thus far.

[maebach]

I thought mature games were 17+?

[mark_in_2k]

I thought mature games were 17+?Are you referring to the Haze box art? That's the European ratings standard, not the NA ratings.

[mark_in_2k]

I thought mature games were 17+?:arrowu: Are you referring to the Haze box art? That's the European ratings standard, not the NA ratings.

[maebach]

:arrowu: Are you referring to the Haze box art? That's the European ratings standard, not the NA ratings.

thanks, that makes sense. I got scared for a bit. If it was 18, it would mean Id have to wait another year to buy the game. :|

[Majinvegeta]

Maybe I got ahead of myself too, but I was referring to you ignoring my previous post where I said I agree with “never say never”. Anyway, moving on. Looks like Haze is set to be the first real must-have game for the PlayStation 3. Before some of you get too excited, and make some smart-ass remarks, remember the game is only time exclusive on the PS3

The game was set to be released on the PlayStation 3 on November 23, 2007 with Xbox 360 and PC releases following a week later. However, at Sony's E3 2007 Press Conference, it was revealed that during 2007, Haze would be a PS3 exclusive. It will release on the Xbox 360 and PC sometime in 2008.

http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/2007/08/25/haze_exclusive_hands-on/1


That is Your opinion.

I am looking forward to Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, GT5 Prologue (free), Haze, Eye of Judgement, COD4, and Assassins Creed.

Man that will eat my pockets :/, lots of awesome games for PS3 this fall.

Here is a great video on Killzone 2 for those who care.

http://au.gamespot.com/video/928377/6177600/videoplayerpop?rgroup=leipzig07_videos

It's the developers talking about Killzone 2 and the different technologies they used to make it what it is today. Its really informative and gives you an understanding of how Blu-Ray and CELL help take gaming on PS3 to the next level. The map that you see in that video is over 2gb, and this is in alpha stage, they will be using full 7.1 surround sound as well.

[sfu_lifer]

Is GT5 Prologue confirmed free? I haven't seen any news regarding this.
I got 3 consoles to feed so I'm pretty set gaming wise even if all I end up buying are Drake, GH3 and maybe Ratchet and Clank (and 99% sure Warhawk). I'll prolly rent the others since the reviews aren't bearing out the "must-have" status.

[Majinvegeta]

Is GT5 Prologue confirmed free? I haven't seen any news regarding this.
I got 3 consoles to feed so I'm pretty set gaming wise even if all I end up buying are Drake, GH3 and maybe Ratchet and Clank (and 99% sure Warhawk). I'll prolly rent the others since the reviews aren't bearing out the "must-have" status.


Today, we sat in on a presentation hosted by Gran Turismo series creator Kazunori Yamauchi as he demonstrated some of the new features that will be present in Gran Turismo 5 Prologue. The game is due for release on the PlayStation Network as a free download later this year. - http://uk.gamespot.com/events/leipzig07/story.html?sid=6177157&pid=942026&tag=top_stories;story;2

So it should be, unless the person lied or something..

And yea I know what you mean by the review crap, but I honestly don't read those stupid things. They claim some games are good, turn out I don't like em, they claim some games are bad, turns out I do like them. So, if theres all this conflict, then there is no point in me reading reviews or taking their scores as the true just review. Besides I played the Beta for Warhawk, liked it lots.

[sfu_lifer]

- http://uk.gamespot.com/events/leipzig07/story.html?sid=6177157&pid=942026&tag=top_stories;story;2

So it should be, unless the person lied or something..

And yea I know what you mean by the review crap, but I honestly don't read those stupid things. They claim some games are good, turn out I don't like em, they claim some games are bad, turns out I do like them. So, if theres all this conflict, then there is no point in me reading reviews or taking their scores as the true just review. Besides I played the Beta for Warhawk, liked it lots.
Thanks. That's good to know. I know NA isn't confirmed yet but it's so easy to create other region's accounts for PSN.
As for reviews, after a while you do get a feeling for those people with the same taste as you (if you've been following them long enough). I put lots of weight in reviews before I waste my time and money on games that are all eye candy and/or no longevity. Anything less than a 7 on gamerankings usually means I'll pass :D

[joshmxpx]

Then Killzone2, COD4 (I'm actually torn between which console for this I should get since all the trailers/gameplay footage has been PS3 thus far.

I thought all the E3 COD4 gameplay footage was 360?

[Majinvegeta]

I thought all the E3 COD4 gameplay footage was 360?

Actually there was footage at E3 for PS3 as well, but from what I remember, developers assured that COD4 would be the exact same experience on both consoles...don't quote me but I am pretty sure thats what I read.

[CFRTim]

I thought all the E3 COD4 gameplay footage was 360?

I thought Emancipated was being sarcastic when he said “all the trailers/gameplay footage has been PS3 thus far”. There has been video of the game on XBL for some time now, plus some beta is coming out on the 360before anything else

[Emancipated]

I thought Emancipated was being sarcastic when he said “all the trailers/gameplay footage has been PS3 thus far”. There has been video of the game on XBL for some time now, plus some beta is coming out on the 360before anything else

Not sarcastic at all. Most of anything COD4 related on Youtube seems to bear that blue X button of the Sixaxis. I just haven't seen any footage/trailers that indicated it was the Xbox360 version. CharlieOscarDelta.com is already running the betas for Xbox360. I think I may be buying into the Sony cell processor hype.

[hyperion]

GT5 makes me want to buy a PS3 :(
I guess I'll wait and see if I can win one, GT5P is not out yet and GT5 is probably around a year away.

[Emancipated]

GT5 makes me want to buy a PS3 :(
I guess I'll wait and see if I can win one, GT5P is not out yet and GT5 is probably around a year away.

July 2008 is the tentative date. Prologue will hit the online market place in November.

Sorry to Forza fans, but GT5 Prologue is going to take a dump on it come November.
:lol:

[GunnerX]

July 2008 is the tentative date. Prologue will hit the online market place in November.

Sorry to Forza fans, but GT5 Prologue is going to take a dump on it come November.
:lol:

Those are some strong words there. You better be ready to back that up because so far SONY hasn't been able to do the same.

[CFRTim]

GT 5 does look amazing, and has a loooong list of cars; but graphics aside what elese does the game bring to the table? Does it have visual damage( I know it has some sort of damage). Do you get penalties for going off the track or bumping other cars. That way I can compare my driving skills more accurate when I look up other lap times online. Does it run at 60 fps (it does add a nice fluid feel to the driving experience). Can you fully customize cars including paint jobs. Can buy and sell cars online? Those are features avail. in FM2. I don't expect all of them in GT5, but some are essential. Is there anything new that GT 5 is going to bring to the racing genre

[Emancipated]

GT 5 does look amazing, and has a loooong list of cars; but graphics aside what elese does the game bring to the table? Does it have visual damage( I know it has some sort of damage). Do you get penalties for going off the track or bumping other cars. That way I can compare my driving skills more accurate when I look up other lap times online. Does it run at 60 fps (it does add a nice fluid feel to the driving experience). Can you fully customize cars including paint jobs. Can buy and sell cars online? Those are features avail. in FM2. I don't expect all of them in GT5, but some are essential. Is there anything new that GT 5 is going to bring to the racing genre

Turn10 hyped the damage like it was the 2nd coming of Jesus when in fact it's just lame. Granted the physics are somewhat faithful; i.e you run into the back of someone entering a corner and you're both going off to the wall/sand trap, but that's where the realism ends. You can repeatedly go into a wall at 100mph and only escape with a scratch on the bumper? Right now, the physics in Forza2 really trumps all GT games to date. Visually though, I think many were disappointed in FM2. GT5 will have in car view which for me is the tipping point.

[Majinvegeta]

GT 5 does look amazing, and has a loooong list of cars; but graphics aside what elese does the game bring to the table? Does it have visual damage( I know it has some sort of damage). Do you get penalties for going off the track or bumping other cars. That way I can compare my driving skills more accurate when I look up other lap times online. Does it run at 60 fps (it does add a nice fluid feel to the driving experience). Can you fully customize cars including paint jobs. Can buy and sell cars online? Those are features avail. in FM2. I don't expect all of them in GT5, but some are essential. Is there anything new that GT 5 is going to bring to the racing genre

16 Cars
Re designing Physics
Re designing AI
Change of Weather
Tuning
Damage
200,000 Polygons per vehicle (compared to 4,000 on GT4)
Interior View as well now
Customization of the vehicles body parts is Possible


Here are the 25 reasons why everyone should get Gran Turismo 5:

1. High Definition Awsome graphics.
2. High Quality Surround sound.
3. New exotics - ex. Ferrari's.
4. Dynamic weather during races.
5. A huge number of cars to drive.
6. A good array of real life tracks.
7. All our favorite 'original' tracks that we have come to love over the Gran Turismo series.
8. A challenging and educational Liscence test, which teaches you key driving techniques.
9. It's the real driving simulator.
10. 16 cars on road and 12 in multiplayer.
11. Compatibility with all wheels of PS2.
12. It's a must if your a GT fan.
13. The new Drift Mode.
14. Drift with more people than Xlink.
15. It's the best racing game for the PS3 console.
16. Full online functionality.
17. 4 views which includes that new "In car view".
18. Advanced physics engine.
19. Downloadalbe cars and tracks in the future.
20. World ranking board to set your fastest times against.
21. An extremely accurate and well modeled Nurburgring.
22. A vast selection of modern Le Mans Prototype cars.
23. The ability to make your own club. (source: Joypad)
24. You can upgrade your car with many aftermarket parts.
25. You can tune your car with custom setups (ex. suspention, gear ratios, etc.).

http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=92284
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24101.html
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24097.html
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24083.html



Thats what I got from these links. I am sure they are not revealing everything, so there is possibility for more greatness in the future. You have to remember, this is a WIP, we will definitely not see all these features in the prologue, but we will in the full version, and possibly a lot more as well. But come on, we are talking about Polyphony here, not some nubs, they know what they are doing. They will offer gamers the best realistic experience you can get from a racer.

This is going to be the best racing game ever!

[Majinvegeta]

How many people are picking up Warhawk tomorrow? $39.99 with a bluetooth headset at bestbuy is a sweet deal. I'll be picking it up as soon as the store opens.

I will definitely be buying it, its just that Bestbuy is pretty far from where I live, which sucks :(.

[sfu_lifer]

/crossing fingers for gamesharing.

As for GT5, no brainer for those of us with Logitech PC wheels (so long as it's supported). Unlike Microsoft's POS wireless wheel that has a crucial hardware flaw and doesn't feel all that nice. Can't wait for Prologue. Hopefully the rest of Sony takes a cue and allows all the Logitech wheels to work on their driving titles.

[CFRTim]

Most things on that GT5 list are useless, and nothing new, but here are some good points

Things I like:

4. Dynamic weather during races.
13. The new Drift Mode.
17. 4 views which includes that new "In car view" (hard, but realistic)
23. The ability to make your own club.

Things I don't

7. All our favorite 'original' tracks that we have come to love over the Gran Turismo serie- boooring, give me new tracks, make the original ones dl.
8. A challenging and educational Liscence test, which teaches you key driving techniques- its been done before, it can get frustrating.
20. World ranking board to set your fastest times against- only works if penalties are in place for bumping cars and going off-road.

The most obvious thing:

16. Full online functionality- well duuh, welcome to online play Polyphony, it's called the internet, popular since circa 1995! might as well write : It comes on BR disc

P.S. It's weird I didn't see damage on the list. I wonder what type of damage the game will employ

[ATLien69]

it better, we just dropped $100 into the account... lol :cheesygri

BTW isn't GT5 gonna be 60fps at 1080p??? The GT:HD demo seems to be running at a smooth 60fps at 720p for me.

PS: Whats the chances of GT5 having a 2002 WRX wagon in it???? :cheesygri I keep having to go to GT3 to play my car...


/crossing fingers for gamesharing.

As for GT5, no brainer for those of us with Logitech PC wheels (so long as it's supported). Unlike Microsoft's POS wireless wheel that has a crucial hardware flaw and doesn't feel all that nice. Can't wait for Prologue. Hopefully the rest of Sony takes a cue and allows all the Logitech wheels to work on their driving titles.

[CFRTim]

BTW isn't GT5 gonna be 60fps at 1080p??? The GT:HD demo seems to be running at a smooth 60fps at 720p for me.

PS: Whats the chances of GT5 having a 2002 WRX wagon in it???? :cheesygri I keep having to go to GT3 to play my car...

Kazunori Yamauchi confirmed that Prologue will run in 1080p at 60 FPS.... http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3162297

I'm sure your WRX will be in the game. BTW, how do you like the 2008 WRX? I've heard even the STI for next year will be hatchback, and so will be the rally car.

[Majinvegeta]

Most things on that GT5 list are useless, and nothing new, but here are some good points

Things I like:

4. Dynamic weather during races.
13. The new Drift Mode.
17. 4 views which includes that new "In car view" (hard, but realistic)
23. The ability to make your own club.

Things I don't

7. All our favorite 'original' tracks that we have come to love over the Gran Turismo serie- boooring, give me new tracks, make the original ones dl.
8. A challenging and educational Liscence test, which teaches you key driving techniques- its been done before, it can get frustrating.
20. World ranking board to set your fastest times against- only works if penalties are in place for bumping cars and going off-road.

The most obvious thing:

16. Full online functionality- well duuh, welcome to online play Polyphony, it's called the internet, popular since circa 1995! might as well write : It comes on BR disc

P.S. It's weird I didn't see damage on the list. I wonder what type of damage the game will employ

That list that I quoted isn't directly from Polyphony, its just some guys who made a list of why to get a GT5.

If you check out the videos, he does mention damage, now to what extent and how that damage will occur I have no idea, as I said, this is just some of what will be available. I am sure they will have more announcement to make.

As for maps, don't worry, already confirmed that they will release more cars and tracks via online, whether for free or not, I do not know.

Oh and yea, for me 1080P and 60FPS is a plus too. So not only does GT5 have more players to play online and offline, its also full 1080P and 60FPS with the best graphics ever for the vehicles.

[ATLien69]

yeah thats what I thought about the 60fps...as for a 2002 WRX Wagon in GT5, I'm doubtful... lol...but I'll keep my fingers crossed....

Not a large fan of the new '08's...looks like a cross between a mazda/kia/honda...but seems to be pretty popular...and gotta love the new commercial. :D


Kazunori Yamauchi confirmed that Prologue will run in 1080p at 60 FPS.... http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3162297

I'm sure your WRX will be in the game. BTW, how do you like the 2008 WRX? I've heard even the STI for next year will be hatchback, and so will be the rally car.

[sfu_lifer]

Nooo. Can't gameshare Warhawk:

"One time fee for download or use solely by the purchasing PSN account on up to five PS3 units, with no more than one activated PS3 unit within a 24 hour period. Content may not be used by any other account.'"

[keross1ve]

Nooo. Can't gameshare Warhawk:

"One time fee for download or use solely by the purchasing PSN account on up to five PS3 units, with no more than one activated PS3 unit within a 24 hour period. Content may not be used by any other account.'"

Good. Now the developers wont get ripped off and get 1/5th the earnings they should've.

[sfu_lifer]

Good. Now the developers wont get ripped off and get 1/5th the earnings they should've.
It's not our fault Sony allowed this to happen. They knew about this loophole in the TOS for ages. I guess now they're smartening up and doing a Microsoft.

[mark_in_2k]

Nooo. Can't gameshare Warhawk:

"One time fee for download or use solely by the purchasing PSN account on up to five PS3 units, with no more than one activated PS3 unit within a 24 hour period. Content may not be used by any other account.'"The Warhawk / headset bundle that's available at BB is cheaper than the PSN download. PSN version is $42.99, BB bundle is $40.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2007/08/warhawk-coming-tonight-midn.jpg

[sfu_lifer]

The Warhawk / headset bundle that's available at BB is cheaper than the PSN download. PSN version is $42.99, BB bundle is $40.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2007/08/warhawk-coming-tonight-midn.jpg

I know but I missed the boat on that one (OOS) and none of the stores have it in-stock and ready to go.

[joshmxpx]

The Warhawk / headset bundle that's available at BB is cheaper than the PSN download. PSN version is $42.99, BB bundle is $40.

But is gameshare was available, it would only have been 42.99 divided by 5...

[CFRTim]

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/08/28/epic_won_t_make_a_ps3_ut3_demo/1

[AlphaTwo]

But is gameshare was available, it would only have been 42.99 divided by 5...Sorry to burst your bubble. This has no gameshare.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=184744

[rdtx2002]

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/08/28/epic_won_t_make_a_ps3_ut3_demo/1

no surprise.. they just don't have enough resources.

[rollen]

wow, stranglehold got delayed til the 17th... i notice that the 360 is scheduled for the 5th. i wonder why the different time lines for the two systems :confused:

i mean it's only a matter of 10 days or so. it can't be a development difference between the two.

[CFRTim]

no surprise.. they just don't have enough resources.

But I thought SONY sent the "SWAT" team over at Epic. Maybe they got distracted playin' Gears Of War :cheesygri


wow, stranglehold got delayed til the 17th... i notice that the 360 is scheduled for the 5th. i wonder why the different time lines for the two systems :confused:

i mean it's only a matter of 10 days or so. it can't be a development difference between the two.

I don't know what a few days can do for Midway, but a few weeks does wonders at EA since FIFA 08( OCT. release date) will run at 60 fps on the PS3, unlike Madden

[Majinvegeta]

But I thought SONY sent the "SWAT" team over at Epic. Maybe they got distracted playin' Gears Of War :cheesygri

No, whats the point in making a demo for the PS3? its coming out timed exclusively for PS3 and PC this year, xbox360 guys can have fun playing their silly demo, while we play the full.

[joshmxpx]

Sorry to burst your bubble. This has no gameshare.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=184744

that was my point...

[rdtx2002]

But I thought SONY sent the "SWAT" team over at Epic. Maybe they got distracted playin' Gears Of War :cheesygri

well, seeing that they claim UT3 looks better than GOW.... perhaps the GOW developers were interfering with the development of UT3, therefore the SWAT team was sent ;)

[Majinvegeta]

well, seeing that they claim UT3 looks better than GOW.... perhaps the GOW developers were interfering with the development of UT3, therefore the SWAT team was sent ;)

Yea and the Sony SWAT team beat the crap out of those GeOW boys trying to harm UT3 process. But either way, the demo isn't being set up for PS3 because PS3 will be getting the game this year, Xbox360ers will get it next year some time.

[CFRTim]

No, whats the point in making a demo for the PS3? its coming out timed exclusively for PS3 and PC this year, xbox360 guys can have fun playing their silly demo, while we play the full.

I did not read anything about a demo for the 360, but I know there is one for the PC (same release date as the PS3), coming out before the full game


well, seeing that they claim UT3 looks better than GOW.... perhaps the GOW developers were interfering with the development of UT3, therefore the SWAT team was sent ;)

Doesn't make any sense; GOW development finished a year ago. The PC version did not need re-development

Yea and the Sony SWAT team beat the crap out of those GeOW boys trying to harm UT3 process. But either way, the demo isn't being set up for PS3 because PS3 will be getting the game this year, Xbox360ers will get it next year some time.

How old are you again? The only think GOW did is help UT3 (not that it needed much help)


The any real question is :
As Kotaku points out though, it begs the question; if Epic can't manage to churn out one demo level for a game which has been in production as long as UT3, how could it possibly ever handle Unreal Engine developer support for other companies?

[Majinvegeta]

I did not read anything about a demo for the 360, but I know there is one for the PC (same release date as the PS3), coming out before the full game


Good, I can try it out then and see if I like the game and buy it for PS3 if it is good. But just because there is no PS3 demo doesn't mean the PS3 is incapable of or the developers are incapable of.



Doesn't make any sense; GOW development finished a year ago. The PC version did not need re-development

How old are you again? The only think GOW did is help UT3 (not that it needed much help)


You started with the whole silly "SWAT" crap, and I replied that Sony's "SWAT" did come to the rescue and help with the development, because obviously Epic is having difficulty understanding the PS3.

[jeffyjaixx]

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/08/28/epic_won_t_make_a_ps3_ut3_demo/1

They're too busy trying to finish the darn retail game first.

[zerocool24]

anybody able to get warhawk at a best buy today?

[CFRTim]

You started with the whole silly "SWAT" crap, and I replied that Sony's "SWAT" did come to the rescue and help with the development, because obviously Epic is having difficulty understanding the PS3.

And they're not the only ones. Anyway, Epic is having problems with the UT3 as is (the PS3 is only making it more complicated) as some of the companies are complaining about support with the license; that's all I was trying to point out

[maebach]

warhawk got great reviews. I cant wait for the LAIR review to come out. I hope its good.


Has anybody played warhawk herE?

[jeffyjaixx]

UTIII running on PS3.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24261.html

Hopefully this puts an end to all the rumours that Gears of War can't be done on the PS3.

[Brownbear]

UTIII running on PS3.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24261.html

Hopefully this puts an end to all the rumours that Gears of War can't be done on the PS3.

its looking great. I hope PS3 pulls through and wins this gen :cheesygri

[Majinvegeta]

UTIII running on PS3.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24261.html

Hopefully this puts an end to all the rumours that Gears of War can't be done on the PS3.

OhHhH!H!! I was just going to point that out to all those naysayers and ppl who complained that PS3 was lagging behind or couldn't keep up.

And who says Gears cannot be done? when Killzone 2 can be done on PS3? Killzone 2 has much MUCH better lighting effects, much more realism in characters, and much much better animation as well. I already posted a link that people can read on about Killzone 2, it has 500 lights in that one map, 500! and all objects cast shadows, full anti-aliasing, already we can see over 10 characters on screen. And who the heck calls 4vs4 a multiplayer??

But anyways, UT3 looks very nice.

[marcopolo85]

Pretty insane heavenly sword video
http://www.gamespot.com/video/928391/6177725/videoplayerpop?

[Majinvegeta]

Pretty insane heavenly sword video
http://www.gamespot.com/video/928391/6177725/videoplayerpop?

Yep, confirmed from developers that theres a 1000 enemies on that mission.

[sfu_lifer]

UTIII running on PS3.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24261.html

Hopefully this puts an end to all the rumours that Gears of War can't be done on the PS3.
It's not a matter of technology but IP rights and how much Microsoft paid Epic for GeOW. So no, it can't be done (yet). Memory wise, I'm sure it's more efficient now developing for PS3 (that was the main argument beforehand).
AI and physics wise, I bet the PS3 version can easily be superior thanks to the SPEs.
As for winning this gen, PS3 pricing has to come down a ton before they can compete properly with Microsoft and Nintendo.

[sfu_lifer]

well, seeing that they claim UT3 looks better than GOW.... perhaps the GOW developers were interfering with the development of UT3, therefore the SWAT team was sent ;)
Funnily enough, the Gears of War development helped advance the UE3 for use in the PC and 360 and PS3 as Mark Rein confirmed.

[jeffyjaixx]

It's not a matter of technology but IP rights and how much Microsoft paid Epic for GeOW. So no, it can't be done (yet). Memory wise, I'm sure it's more efficient now developing for PS3 (that was the main argument beforehand).
AI and physics wise, I bet the PS3 version can easily be superior thanks to the SPEs.
As for winning this gen, PS3 pricing has to come down a ton before they can compete properly with Microsoft and Nintendo.

Sorry, forgot to put in a "technically" term in there.

[Majinvegeta]

I just got the following press release from SCEE, and they mention both a downloadable and a BD (Blu-ray Disc) version of GT5 Prologue. I have a feeling that they won’t give the PSN version away for free and charge for the BD version…

28/08/2007 19:02
Start your engines for Gran Turismo™5 Prologue

New prequel an early taste of Gran Turismo 5 for PLAYSTATION®3 - A taste of Gran Turismo 5 for PLAYSTATION®3 is here at the end of this year - Up to 16-player online racing on PLAYSTATION®Network - a Gran Turismo first! - Over 40 dream cars, High Definition graphics, new physics engine… and a TV channel

The real driving simulator that’s sold 50 million units is back: Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) and Polyphony Digital are pleased to announce Gran Turismo™5 Prologue, a prequel title showcasing the forthcoming Gran Turismo™5 for PLAYSTATION®3 (PS3™) – available both on Blu-ray disc and as a download from PLAYSTATION®Network (PSN) at the end of this year. Gran Turismo on PlayStation is one of the most successful global gaming franchises of the last ten years – renowned for its realism, quality of design and in-car physics technology – now, with the power of PS3™ behind it, it’s going to be unstoppable.

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue features over 40 stunning cars – including vehicles by Lotus, Mitsubishi, Nissan and Ferrari for you to race on seriously realistic, real-life tracks: including the Eiger Nordwand, the London City Track and Suzuka – all rendered in incredible High Definition graphics. There’s also all-new driving physics for the most lifelike driving experience ever and new, improved opponent artificial intelligence for the toughest race challenge yet.

But that’s not all – for the first time ever in the history of Gran Turismo, you’ll now be able to race online. Up to 16 players will be able to go head-to-head on some of the world’s best racetracks on PLAYSTATION®Network™ – all you need to get racing is a broadband connection and PS3™. Once you’re up and revving, Global Online Rankings and the My Garage homepage feature will leave the world in no doubt as to just who is the best at Gran Turismo.

And then there’s the Online Dealership, providing a wealth of information on cars and manufacturers and also Gran Turismo™ TV – a dedicated online channel available exclusively from PSN and packed with some of the greatest content that Motorsport, car manufacturers and TV has to offer.

Key Features:

* The first ever Gran Turismo title with online racing: drive online against up to 16 other Gran Turismo aces
* Race a total of over 40 stunning, high-performance cars
* Race on seriously realistic, real life tracks including the Eiger Nordwand, the London City Track and Suzuka – then race them in reverse and with alternative routes
* All-new physics engine means true next-generation vehicle handling
* All-new and improved opponent AI for a nail-biting race experience
* Access to Gran Turismo TV : a world of great motoring TV programming online
* Online Dealership: Access to car manufacturers online
* My Garage - a personalised homepage feature with friends, chat and personal game records
* Quick Tune facility allows you to adjust power, tyres, suspension and more
* All in stunning High Definition at 1080p (race: 1080p-60fps, replay: 1080p-30fps)

Gran Turismo 5 – the full title – launches in 2008. Until then, there’s enough ultra-realistic, high-speed racing in Gran Turismo 5 Prologue on PS3™ to keep your accelerator firmly to the floor for the rest of the year.

- http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/08/28/gt5-prologue-press-release-not-free/

I regret to inform that unfortunately, it seems that GT5 Prologue will most likely NOT be free since they are releasing a online downloadable AND a Blu-Ray Disc version. I doubt they would release downloadable for free and the Blu-Ray version for a price, ppl would rather just download it.

Ahh well, I honestly do not mind paying for such an incredible game demo. I just hope it comes to NA as well.

[sfu_lifer]

- http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/08/28/gt5-prologue-press-release-not-free/

I regret to inform that unfortunately, it seems that GT5 Prologue will most likely NOT be free since they are releasing a online downloadable AND a Blu-Ray Disc version. I doubt they would release downloadable for free and the Blu-Ray version for a price, ppl would rather just download it.

Ahh well, I honestly do not mind paying for such an incredible game demo. I just hope it comes to NA as well.
I (and many others) DO mind paying for a demo. Hopefully they at least gameshare it. If not, I'll pass and just wait for the real deal.
I really do hope it comes out in 2008. Past experiences with that dev doesn't give me much hope they'll make the release date :(

[jeffyjaixx]

I hope game-sharing is allowed as well if we really need to pay for the demo...

[Majinvegeta]

I (and many others) DO mind paying for a demo. Hopefully they at least gameshare it. If not, I'll pass and just wait for the real deal.
I really do hope it comes out in 2008. Past experiences with that dev doesn't give me much hope they'll make the release date :(

Since its a demo, I would think that game sharing is possible. Depends on who you are really, Prologues have never been free, never had to, they always sell like crazy. I bought Dragon Quest 8 just for the FF12 demo :p, so full game price for a demo shows you how crazy I am for FF titles. just depends on the person you are and what type of games you feel crazy for, or if any at all.

Here are some really cool Killzone 2 videos posted just a few hours ago.

War Zone
SD: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24214.html
HD: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24213.html

Mini-Boss
SD: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24220.html
HD: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24219.html


A demonstration of 'lean and peak' and blind firing
SD: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24243.html
HD: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24242.html

Copy and paste from - http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=94954

[Brownbear]

A demonstration of 'lean and peak' and blind firing
SD: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24243.html
HD: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24242.html


Lol the first guy speaking says 'uh' alot.

[BigBadBoo]

War Zone
SD: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24214.html
HD: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24213.html

Mini-Boss
SD: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24220.html
HD: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24219.html


A demonstration of 'lean and peak' and blind firing
SD: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24243.html
HD: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24242.html



The AI in that game seems pretty dumb (enemy AI just stands right in front of you, even after you hit them; friendly AI stand right in front of the explosive device he planted on the door). The graphics are all bland (grey tone). I like the destructible environment though. The 'lean and peak' is nothing new, GRAW and other games have been doing it for a while now.

Meh, this seems to be just another shooter thats mostly hype.
Crysis owns this!

[ATLien69]

Yeah I think I'd be one of those crazy types that would be willing to pay $100 for Prologue. :D



Since its a demo, I would think that game sharing is possible. Depends on who you are really, Prologues have never been free, never had to, they always sell like crazy. I bought Dragon Quest 8 just for the FF12 demo :p, so full game price for a demo shows you how crazy I am for FF titles. just depends on the person you are and what type of games you feel crazy for, or if any at all.

[Emancipated]

Yeah I think I'd be one of those crazy types that would be willing to pay $100 for Prologue. :D

A fool and his money are easily parted.

Regarding FPS, I hate how virtually every game has this "hide to recover your health meter" system. I think COD4 is the only game where if you get shot, you're dead (on hardcore mode).

[joshmxpx]

Since its a demo, I would think that game sharing is possible. Depends on who you are really, Prologues have never been free, never had to, they always sell like crazy. I bought Dragon Quest 8 just for the FF12 demo :p, so full game price for a demo shows you how crazy I am for FF titles. just depends on the person you are and what type of games you feel crazy for, or if any at all.

And myself and thousands of others payed for Crackdown just to play the Halo 3 beta (even thought Crackdown was a pretty good game). They can charge whatever they want and I'm sure they'll have no problem finding people to play. It's just finding the right price to maximize the suckers.... :)

[Majinvegeta]

The AI in that game seems pretty dumb (enemy AI just stands right in front of you, even after you hit them; friendly AI stand right in front of the explosive device he planted on the door). The graphics are all bland (grey tone). I like the destructible environment though. The 'lean and peak' is nothing new, GRAW and other games have been doing it for a while now.

Meh, this seems to be just another shooter thats mostly hype.
Crysis owns this!

Whoa whoa whoa, come on now, this games in alpha, give it some time dude. Yes you can easily spot some flaws, but this isn't the gold copy my friend, this is alpha. Of course they have problems with the AI, doesn't mean they aren't going to fix it.

The "Grey tone" isn't there for no reason, just look at the video I posted a few pages ago. The grey tone is there because of the grey clouds above, its all realistic. Now this isn't the only type of map you will see, the developers have already stated there will be other weathers and what not in the game as well. I mean look at when they are above the clouds, its all light and stuff. The grey effect isn't there to make it easier to render or something, its there because of those stormy clouds.

How is it hype? people love this game in terms of graphics, they have truly done their best to reach that level of graphics, and its far from done, as it gets closer to gold, its going to only get better.

[GunnerX]

I recall LAIR being hyped with all the pretty pictures and videos a while back too. The hype machines just keep on chugging yet people just keep on eating them up. I find it much better to take a step back and review the near final result before making any judgments.

[CFRTim]

I (and many others) DO mind paying for a demo. Hopefully they at least gameshare it. If not, I'll pass and just wait for the real deal.
I really do hope it comes out in 2008. Past experiences with that dev doesn't give me much hope they'll make the release date :(

I think this is where SONY will start charghing some money. You want another "car pack" for the game pay up. You want another track pay up. You want the blig bling rims pay up. Not a bad move, there are enough suckers for this game (including me), but if this is the plan **** you SONY, I'll just wait for the final product (notorious for delays).

Majinvegeta you did not mind the PS3 is not getting a free UT3 demo like the PC counterpart, but you're more than willing to pay for the GT demo, go figure.

[sfu_lifer]

Anyone know if you can gameshare SF Puzzle Fighter?

[joshmxpx]

Whoa whoa whoa, come on now, this games in alpha, give it some time dude. Yes you can easily spot some flaws, but this isn't the gold copy my friend, this is alpha. Of course they have problems with the AI, doesn't mean they aren't going to fix it.

The "Grey tone" isn't there for no reason, just look at the video I posted a few pages ago. The grey tone is there because of the grey clouds above, its all realistic. Now this isn't the only type of map you will see, the developers have already stated there will be other weathers and what not in the game as well. I mean look at when they are above the clouds, its all light and stuff. The grey effect isn't there to make it easier to render or something, its there because of those stormy clouds.

How is it hype? people love this game in terms of graphics, they have truly done their best to reach that level of graphics, and its far from done, as it gets closer to gold, its going to only get better.

sony defence force activated...

[jeffyjaixx]

sony defence force activated...

There's nothing wrong with pointing out the obvious. It is an alpha version according to the devs. Also... the colourless atmosphere is due to the hazy clouds and a full-out war between the Helghasts and mankind. Wouldn't it be cloudy and have a dark atmosphere if there are explosions and lightning strikes every minute?

Having said that, I'm still waiting on a demo to confirm if the gameplay is good or not and if the AI has been improved. :D

[dekcuftogu]

I see more and more of the 80GB PS3 at $649 with Motorstorm. So much for the price drop; looks like it's right back up. Please don't tell me the game and extra 20GB is worth the $100, plus the EE has been removed so SONY is saving some money there. At least is better than the price in EU :cheesygri

[ATLien69]

Just picked up the Warhawk + headset combo at Best Buy brampton for $39.99!! They had a ton left (like 20+)...so get it while it's cheap...after tomorrow price go up up up....

[amicus]

i'm hoping to pick my copy up tonight.

we can have an RFD game.

[jeffyjaixx]

Just picked up the Warhawk + headset combo at Best Buy brampton for $39.99!! They had a ton left (like 20+)...so get it while it's cheap...after tomorrow price go up up up....

It's until tomorrow right?

[BigBadBoo]

Whoa whoa whoa, come on now, this games in alpha, give it some time dude. Yes you can easily spot some flaws, but this isn't the gold copy my friend, this is alpha. Of course they have problems with the AI, doesn't mean they aren't going to fix it.

The "Grey tone" isn't there for no reason, just look at the video I posted a few pages ago. The grey tone is there because of the grey clouds above, its all realistic. Now this isn't the only type of map you will see, the developers have already stated there will be other weathers and what not in the game as well. I mean look at when they are above the clouds, its all light and stuff. The grey effect isn't there to make it easier to render or something, its there because of those stormy clouds.

How is it hype? people love this game in terms of graphics, they have truly done their best to reach that level of graphics, and its far from done, as it gets closer to gold, its going to only get better.

lol where is Jon Lai when you need him, you make him seem so amateur

anyway what do you get out of hyping this game out so much? have you seen the Crysis videos? it smacks this game upside the head

[ATLien69]

Let's start an RFD clan! :D

i'm hoping to pick my copy up tonight.

we can have an RFD game.

[Badman]

Let's start an RFD clan! :D

Good idea. And theres no excuse why you don't have a headset:razz:

[nden]

I'm going to get Warhawk tomorrow at Bestbuy. What is the price for tomorrow (Aug 30)?

[zerocool24]

should still be 39.99, im hoping to get one tomorrow as well with the coupon book it should be 34.99. great deal imo.

[Majinvegeta]

lol where is Jon Lai when you need him, you make him seem so amateur

anyway what do you get out of hyping this game out so much? have you seen the Crysis videos? it smacks this game upside the head

Do I care? yea fine its great, good for them, its not really hard to do that on PC considering people can have over 4 gigs of ram now and 2x 8800GTX or w/e the best card is now. But for a console to achieve such detail and realism at such an early time just boggles the mind, what the heck will they achieve 3 years down the road when they become Pro with PS3?

This is a PS3 thread, I am providing PS3 lovers information, if you don't like it, by all means, ignore it. I never tried to get your attention, nor do I have any interest in getting your attention, I am not here to insult xbox360 members or anything of that sort, I am here just to read what people have to say and provide them with information.

If you want to argue, go ahead I will argue, done it for a long time now. So I don't know what you want, you are hyping Crysis, I am hyping Killzone 2, what makes you any better?


should still be 39.99, im hoping to get one tomorrow as well with the coupon book it should be 34.99. great deal imo.

Yea I just went to futureshop and got Warhawk at 36.99 no questions asked. I guess lots of people already asked em about the best buy price match hahaha.

You have to get the game, its crazy when you have all these fighters in the sky. I did a few dog fight rounds and man, when you have 32 fighters in the sky, its like HELL!

[Majinvegeta]

I think this is where SONY will start charghing some money. You want another "car pack" for the game pay up. You want another track pay up. You want the blig bling rims pay up. Not a bad move, there are enough suckers for this game (including me), but if this is the plan **** you SONY, I'll just wait for the final product (notorious for delays).

Majinvegeta you did not mind the PS3 is not getting a free UT3 demo like the PC counterpart, but you're more than willing to pay for the GT demo, go figure.

I already have many many many many games to pay up for this month, I don't need a demo for UT3, since there are many other FPS to keep me busy. But racing wise, GT5 is coming out 2008 sometime, so I would like to get my hands on GT5 Prologue to keep me busy for some realistic racing.

And its not like the game won't come with anything, they have the full set, but then will expand on it with more cars in the future etc. of course they will want you to pay for that. Its either that or no extra cars, so its your choice. You can buy the full game, enjoy it, and not buy the extras, or if you really want some special car that is available online, buy it. I don't see how this affects the game unless Polyphony just give us 10 cars and 10 tracks for $69.99 and expect us to buy the rest online (which is not going to happen). Its just going to be like anyother full version game, but just have add-ons that you can buy to extend the value if you like.

[BigBadBoo]

Let's just say I get satisfaction out of getting you all riled up.

And I love reading your comments. They are so...interesting.

[Majinvegeta]

sony defence force activated...

Damn right, any questions? wanna fight? ill argue you to death if you want.


There's nothing wrong with pointing out the obvious. It is an alpha version according to the devs. Also... the colourless atmosphere is due to the hazy clouds and a full-out war between the Helghasts and mankind. Wouldn't it be cloudy and have a dark atmosphere if there are explosions and lightning strikes every minute?

Having said that, I'm still waiting on a demo to confirm if the gameplay is good or not and if the AI has been improved. :D

Exactly, any smart sane man will know that. Just watch the video I posted earlier, they explain why things are the way they are. Yes I did see flaws here and there, but what do you expect in an alpha?

Let's just say I get satisfaction out of getting you all riled up.

And I love reading your comments. They are so...interesting.

Cool, glad to know they are interesting.

[CFRTim]

Damn right, any questions? wanna fight? ill argue you to death if you want..

I think you should get out a little more, and enjoy whatever summer is left. There are other things in life besides video games, no matter how great they are

[Emancipated]

Welp, I'm glad I have a PS3 now. My Xbox just died tonight. It will be good to have something to tie me over :p

[sfu_lifer]

Just got back from a border trip.
Got the PS3 blu-ray remote and Karaoke Revolution American Idol with mic ($29).
Didn't get taxed by Canada too even tho I declared everything :D

If any of you are heading down this week, the PS3 remote is $19.99 US at CircuitCity plus applicable sales taxes of course.

Another relatively hot deal is at BestBuy, Wii/PS3/PS2/360 6ft universal component cables by Pelican for $7.25 US.

[maebach]

darn, warhawk is back at 69.99

[sfu_lifer]

darn, warhawk is back at 69.99

I know. I missed out on the PS3's first first party great exclusive outside of Resistance and Motorstorm. I wonder if they'd honor the ad :(

[GunnerX]

I know. I missed out on the PS3's first first party great exclusive outside of Resistance and Motorstorm. I wonder if they'd honor the ad :(

I played for 2 hours last night and I wouldn't say it's "great". I had fun with the people I played with but I don't see any lasting appeal with the game. I just bought it for the Jabra BT headset and it came with a bonus game! :D

[icecold2021]

warhawk makes my ps3 freeze when joining games (occasionally)

anyone else get this problem?

[GunnerX]

Didn't have any issues last night.

[Deals Deals Deals]

warhawk makes my ps3 freeze when joining games (occasionally)

anyone else get this problem?

My PS3 froze a few times when I was inside a game. I couldn't turn it off with the controller, so I had to turn off the power. This only happened when I was playing Warhawk. My other games have not frozen before.

[Majinvegeta]

I know. I missed out on the PS3's first first party great exclusive outside of Resistance and Motorstorm. I wonder if they'd honor the ad :(

I went to futureshop yesterday and they priced match and sold it to me for $36.99 so...you COULD try and see if they will still do that, but BestBuy is back at 69.99, unless they found out today, you could get away with it possibly.


warhawk makes my ps3 freeze when joining games (occasionally)

anyone else get this problem?

Yea its wierd, I have yet to experience it, but I know this was an issue during the beta. Maybe try reinstalling it or redownloading it..

[rollen]

i just got a call from my local eb and he left a message saying that my pre-order for Lair is in! i thought it was delayed til sept 4 or something? :confused: :confused:

oh well, gonna check it out then!

[ATLien69]

+1 froze on me once as well last night...but I'm really enjoying the game...one of the few online games I'm decent at...so far atleast, until everyone starts to learn it...I even came in 2nd place once on my team. lol :)

But yea the PS3 has frozen on me before as well playing Motorstorm online a few times...


My PS3 froze a few times when I was inside a game. I couldn't turn it off with the controller, so I had to turn off the power. This only happened when I was playing Warhawk. My other games have not frozen before.

[jeffyjaixx]

i just got a call from my local eb and he left a message saying that my pre-order for Lair is in! i thought it was delayed til sept 4 or something? :confused: :confused:

oh well, gonna check it out then!

What?! Get back to us please :)

I just got my Warhawk for $34.99 + tax this noon at the Richmond Hill BB. This week's flyer says $39.99 and available August 30th. So it should still be $39.99 in stores.

[rollen]

just got back and its confirmed! at least at the heartland eb in mississauga..

wow, warhawk and lair in the same week...sweet!

[rahzel]

super puzzle fighter game and demo, nascar, tiger woods and allpro football demos as well as a couple videos on PSN now.

[Sheky]

i just got a call from my local eb and he left a message saying that my pre-order for Lair is in! i thought it was delayed til sept 4 or something? :confused: :confused:

oh well, gonna check it out then!

Post review, now!

[jeffyjaixx]

just got back and its confirmed! at least at the heartland eb in mississauga..

wow, warhawk and lair in the same week...sweet!

So you got your copy already?

[jeffyjaixx]

I just called the Hillcrest Mall's EBGames and they have it in stock as well.

[Majinvegeta]

super puzzle fighter game and demo, nascar, tiger woods and allpro football demos as well as a couple videos on PSN now.

Thanks for the update, downloading Puzzle fighter right now :D

[4flava]

damn... I wanted to buy the 60Gb ps3 with the remote at zellers but haven't had any luck finding it. I got a raincheck so I was wondering if anyone out there seen the 60GB PS3 at a zellers in the GTA??..

[ATLien69]

The IGN review of Lair is up! But I don't think you guys should look! wow...just wow...and that is not a good wow! ;)

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/817/817117p1.html

[shannn]

Wow, Lair got a pretty bad score, and I was really looking forward to buying the game =/ ... I was hoping that it would really utilize the Sixaxis, but I guess it didn't...

Too bad too, because the only other game that I thought would use the controller well was Beautiful Katamari, but it got cancelled on PS3 >:(

I guess the wait continues for a game to use the Sixaxis well

[sfu_lifer]

Wow, Lair got a pretty bad score, and I was really looking forward to buying the game =/ ... I was hoping that it would really utilize the Sixaxis, but I guess it didn't...

Too bad too, because the only other game that I thought would use the controller well was Beautiful Katamari, but it got cancelled on PS3 >:(

I guess the wait continues for a game to use the Sixaxis well
It's not too shabby in Warhawk for flying. I think the one failure (for me) is the fact I don't get any feedback when I'm steering with it. If they add say a slight bump when you're in the "don't steer" zone, it'd feel intuitive. With the Wii the added rumble makes a HUGE difference not to mention feedback from the built-in wiimote speaker.
I think even Sony knew they hatched a dud with Lair. They basically put all their eggs into the Heavenly Sword marketing. Even Warhawk barely got any buzz. Nintendo seems to be all aces so far regarding letting go of suspect 2nd parties. First they let Rare go, then they let the Too Human people go for Microsoft pastures, and their close-knit ties with the Lair devs they severed.

[marcopolo85]

Worst ign review ever!


8.0 Presentation
From the opening movie to the dragon-flying-over-a-map chapter select screen, Lair has you engrossed in its medieval feel, which an interesting story and quality VO perpetuates.
ok so why just an 8?


7.5 Graphics
It's the definition of a mixed bag. The FMVs look awesome; the in-game stuff looks great but chugs; and the custscenes using in-game assets look framey.

So because the graphics look framey this warrants a 7.5? wow thats bs


8.0 Sound
There's a sweeping score that really captures the moment and some quality voice work, but there are moments when you'll be attacking a catapult and it seems like a sound effect is missing.

So a sound effect is missing huh? wtf an 8?


4.5 Gameplay
A bus-like feel and Sixaxis controls kill this game. In wide-open areas, it's okay, but the moment you need precision, you realize you’re screwed -- you can't corner, target or fight well.

Ok i can understand if the controls suck then obviously the gameplay is gonna suck.



5.5 Lasting Appeal
There are leaderboards to track, medals to earn and movies to unlock, but the frustrating control scheme will probably stop you from coming back for more.

Is it just me or does it seem like this guy thinks the controls suck so just give this game an overall suck.

[sfu_lifer]

Worst ign review ever!


ok so why just an 8?

So because the graphics look framey this warrants a 7.5? wow thats bs

So a sound effect is missing huh? wtf an 8?

Ok i can understand if the controls suck then obviously the gameplay is gonna suck.

Is it just me or does it seem like this guy thinks the controls suck so just give this game an overall suck.
I think based on his scores, this should warrant a 6.5 or 7, not a 4.x. Sure the forced-fed SUXASSES controls suck but the rest of it seems to come together for the most part (save for the inconsistent framerate). If it's very framey, I can understand but gaf'ers seem to say it's not that bad for the most part. Perhaps they were reviewing an older version prior to the last delays. Majority of the opinion does seem to be that the controls suck.
And yes, if it does feel frustrating and the controls suck (which is a HUGE part of the game), it will definitely drag down everything else. What use is a game if you can't control it after all. That said, I think his score is on the low side.

[Sheky]

In regards to Lair, I'm curious as to what would constitute as good controls for a flying game.

I hate flying games in general. For example, when I play BF2, I wouldn't be caught dead in a jet or chopper. That to me, is crap controls and yet no one complains about that. In fact, what they described in the Lair review pretty much sums up my jet flying exp in BF2.

Maybe they just went a bit overboard on the "realism" factor? Since if a chopper/jet flies like crap, I wouldn't expect a giant dragon to do much better.

That targeting sure sounds like ass though. They should be shot for not having the feature to cycle through lock on targets.

[Majinvegeta]

Wow, Lair got a pretty bad score, and I was really looking forward to buying the game =/ ... I was hoping that it would really utilize the Sixaxis, but I guess it didn't...

Too bad too, because the only other game that I thought would use the controller well was Beautiful Katamari, but it got cancelled on PS3 >:(

I guess the wait continues for a game to use the Sixaxis well

I don't know, I didn't read the review (I personally find them useless) but I would suggest renting the game and then making the opinion. Lets take Blazing Angels for an example, not the greatest games, but I liked it a lot. One of the few games I actually finish, and I had fun too, I played it through using the SIXAXIS because I liked the controls. Same goes for warhawk, I don't use analog sticks, I use the motion sensing, I think it works fine. What makes it any worse on Lair? how bad can it be? if you like dragons, you like flying using the motion sensing, then this is the game for you.

Don't take reviews to heart, you will always find fluctuation in gaming reviews, why is that? because there is no way to measure them, the only measure is you and your thoughts on the game. So don't let people decide what game you will buy or not, I have tried many games that reviews suggest are awesome, but I find them boring.

[maebach]

I never read the critics scores. I go by the player reviews because they're people like us. Critics play hundreds of games and need to be, well critcal of games. I find that their scores are always exaggerated. Like Bioshock should be a 9. maybe 9.2. but a 9.7 is over the top. Games that I own that I would give a 7.5 (like Crash Bandicoot) get really bad scores. even GRAW, which I found to be like a 8.5 got a 9.5 or something. The player reviews are alright, so I'll probably rent this and see.

[GunnerX]

Very interesting. If the reviews are bad, they're useless. But if they're good, everyone should read them. How convenient. Typical fanboy attitude of dissing bad reviews and saying they are totally useless. However, most people do read these reviews and there's usually a general tone in them.

From the IGN review:


To snatch these bad guys, you have to lock-on to them. To lock-on to them, you have to wait for a white circle to appear around them and press L1 or R1. The catch: there's no way to rotate the white circle. The computer chooses who and what you can target.

So, these toros arrived and started crippling my universe. I swooped in with my dragon, saw a toro and pressed the lock-on button. However -- even though I was coming at the Toro straight on -- the computer was looking at a turret on a tower. That meant I ended up locking on to the tower, passing the rampaging toro and heading back into the sky.

Argh.


You might think I'm being too hard on Lair, but if you do, you clearly haven't played this game. Although there are levels where wide-open environments and spread-out objectives trick you into thinking the Sixaxis stuff isn't that bad, whenever a handful of enemies are on screen, your flight space becomes limited or you need to be precise, this game falls apart.

At one point, Lair looked like one of the most promising titles coming to the PS3, but the final version -- even with its interesting story, occasionally impressive graphics and amazing score -- falls well short of anything you should be playing.

Looking at the final scores only doesn't make much sense. However if you take the time to read the actual review, the reasons are laid out. I won't be wasting any money on this POS.

[Majinvegeta]

Very interesting. If the reviews are bad, they're useless. But if they're good, everyone should read them. How convenient. Typical fanboy attitude of dissing bad reviews and saying they are totally useless. However, most people do read these reviews and there's usually a general tone in them.

From the IGN review:





Looking at the final scores only doesn't make much sense. However if you take the time to read the actual review, the reasons are laid out. I won't be wasting any money on this POS.

Hopefully you did not direct that at me, otherwise please go to any forum that I have been to and find a quote where I state that reviews are reliable source of finding out what game is good and what game is not.

I have read reviews in the past, I have bought those high end games like Dragon Quest 8 and Rogue Galaxy and many others and felt disappointed, I didn't see how they could give it such a rating. I also tried Bioshock demo and although it had an interesting story to it, it was nothing big other than that.

So what I said there isn't wrong, they are still an opinion, its nothing more than that. This is why you find fluctuation, there is no way to measure what is good and what is not. And you can easily compare that to PC hardware reviews to understand what I am saying. Anyone can take a video card with a fairly well built PC and run tests and get actual hard facts on which card is faster. So you don't see fluctuation, its pretty easy to point out the slow from the fast, just like no matter what happens 8600GT is not as fast as the 8800GTS. You can talk to anyone, show them those numbers and they will agree. But try going to someone and saying you don't like Gears of War or Bioshock, most probably you will get the opposite reaction from the other side.

[rollen]

alright guys, its time to start an RFD warhawk clan! :twisted:

you can add me: rollenation

i'll try to add everyone that have posted their PSN nicks...

[GunnerX]

So what I said there isn't wrong, they are still an opinion, its nothing more than that. This is why you find fluctuation, there is no way to measure what is good and what is not. And you can easily compare that to PC hardware reviews to understand what I am saying. Anyone can take a video card with a fairly well built PC and run tests and get actual hard facts on which card is faster. So you don't see fluctuation, its pretty easy to point out the slow from the fast, just like no matter what happens 8600GT is not as fast as the 8800GTS. You can talk to anyone, show them those numbers and they will agree. But try going to someone and saying you don't like Gears of War or Bioshock, most probably you will get the opposite reaction from the other side.

So you're saying that the game will play differently and control differently on your PS3?

[shannn]

Hmm,

I guess Ubisoft did not want to compete with Bioshock, Halo 3 and Mass Effect...or maybe Sony paid them? But I thought they didn't pay for exclusitivity, lol, I wonder how this game will turn out

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6177964.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews%3btitle%3b1


I'll probably try Lair out, or buy it when it hits the bargain bins, but not being able to rotate the lock on for enemies sounds kinda...well, crappy...hopefully you can just attack without having to lock on, that might improve things...

Anyone try out LAir yet??


And the new Loco Roco game for PS3 looks like it will use the sixaxis well, hopefully it comes to America

[Badman]

i hope they bring a lair demo. Games like this when you hear these things you just want to try it out before making a decision on weather to get it or not.

[Driftwood]

Hopefully you did not direct that at me, otherwise please go to any forum that I have been to and find a quote where I state that reviews are reliable source of finding out what game is good and what game is not.

I have read reviews in the past, I have bought those high end games like Dragon Quest 8 and Rogue Galaxy and many others and felt disappointed, I didn't see how they could give it such a rating. I also tried Bioshock demo and although it had an interesting story to it, it was nothing big other than that.

I can understand the beauty is in the eye of the beholder aspect, but when a vast majority of reviewers rate a game bad, chances are it probably is.

Its just like movies, sure people can enjoy a movie like Alone in the Dark, but that doesn't make it a good movie. :)

[rollen]

i hope they bring a lair demo. Games like this when you hear these things you just want to try it out before making a decision on weather to get it or not.

i agree, too bad i pre-ordered it using the trade 3 promo at EB and i just blind-picked lair... i have 7 days to return...i might just do that and get the credit/refund and if lair is worth it, then eventually re-buy it

[Deals Deals Deals]

alright guys, its time to start an RFD warhawk clan! :twisted:

you can add me: rollenation

i'll try to add everyone that have posted their PSN nicks...

Why don't you start another thread. So it can all be about Warhawk.

[ATLien69]

If anyone goes out and buys/plays Lair today, let us know how it is!!!

[CFRTim]

Hmm,

I guess Ubisoft did not want to compete with Bioshock, Halo 3 and Mass Effect...or maybe Sony paid them? But I thought they didn't pay for exclusitivity, lol, I wonder how this game will turn out

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6177964.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews%3btitle%3b1



Ubisoft have a history with their PlayStation 3 "exclusives." Take Assassin's Creed for instance -- for awhile, they tried to convince the world that the game was going to be coming to Sony's console only. Forget the fact that people had seen the game being played on an Xbox 360 and/or a PC

It appears the same thing is happening with Free Radical's forthcoming drug addicted first-person shooter, Haze. The impressive looking title was once slated for a multiplatform release, with Free Radical employees themselves confirming the development of the title for at least the Xbox 360. More recently, the game has been shown off with the "PlayStation 3 exclusive" angle.
Take that how you will, but GameSpot also points out that the official Haze Web site currently only lists PS3 as the game's platform, and Ubisoft's site backs that up. But at the end of the day, when all is said and done: Is there anyone that really cares at this point?

[icecold2021]

lair is out today?

[Majinvegeta]

So you're saying that the game will play differently and control differently on your PS3?

I don't know about Lair and what options they allow, but I know you can play warhawk in different ways. You can change settings for the motion and change sensitivity as well, you can also choose to use analog.

Now for some, people may complain Lair doesn't allow for analog stick use, just motion sensing. Some may see it as a bad point, others may like motion sensing and see no negatives about it. Now you see what I am saying? theres always a plus and a minus, one may think Motion is good, another may say its crap.

Thats all I am saying.

And CFRTim whatever the case may be, at the moment Haze is exclusive to the PS3, but either way, it will at least be timed exclusive. Same goes for UT 3.

[rollen]

lair is out today?

lair was out yesterday at most of the Eb locations. i'm guessing fs, bb, and other places will have that sept 4 target release date.

[icecold2021]

others may like motion sensing and see no negatives about it. Now you see what I am saying?.

from the reviews the problem isnt that they are using motion sensing its that it doesnt respond well

[joshmxpx]

And the new Loco Roco game for PS3 looks like it will use the sixaxis well, hopefully it comes to America

the new loco roco "game" is apparently just an interactive screensaver...

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/08/31/confirmed-locoroco-ps3-is-a-screensaver/

in japan sept 21, no announced western/europe date.

[icecold2021]

just picked up lair. on the 4th level.. its alright so far. frame rate is a bit choppy and the controls can get annoying but its certainly not as bad as IGN made it out to be. then again i have not gotten too far in

[sfu_lifer]

just picked up lair. on the 4th level.. its alright so far. frame rate is a bit choppy and the controls can get annoying but its certainly not as bad as IGN made it out to be. then again i have not gotten too far in
Let us know once you pass the 5th mission. That's when IGN says it got horrible.

[icecold2021]

Let us know once you pass the 5th mission. That's when IGN says it got horrible.

just finished level 5. i dont know what the problem was with him but when i was targeting the toros it wouldnt let me target anything but the toros unless i was way off in the sky and there were enemy dragons flying around.

as for what the IGN reviewer was saying about the wide turns... there is a reason why they put in the 180 flip it eliminates the need to do a wide turn. and they arnt really that wide to begin with the problem is you are fighting on a bridge not a field.


i gotta say swooping down into the enemy army and just smacking them around was pretty cool

[Sheky]

just finished level 5. i dont know what the problem was with him but when i was targeting the toros it wouldnt let me target anything but the toros unless i was way off in the sky and there were enemy dragons flying around.

as for what the IGN reviewer was saying about the wide turns... there is a reason why they put in the 180 flip it eliminates the need to do a wide turn. and they arnt really that wide to begin with the problem is you are fighting on a bridge not a field.


i gotta say swooping down into the enemy army and just smacking them around was pretty cool

Thanks for the informative post. But I still think I'll wait for the bargain bin price before jumping in. I was hoping the game would be more free flowing. But the review made it sound like you can't target what you want when you want it. That alone would totally piss me off I think.

[Deals Deals Deals]

Question about Warhawk:

When flying a warhawk and a missile is locked on it, I see a red box in the middle of the screen. The moving bar thing on the top of the box means how well I am evading right? What do the red flashing little boxes on the bottom of the red box mean? Sometimes there are more than one flashing little box.

[sfu_lifer]

Thanks for the informative post. But I still think I'll wait for the bargain bin price before jumping in. I was hoping the game would be more free flowing. But the review made it sound like you can't target what you want when you want it. That alone would totally piss me off I think.

I'm in the same boat. This and Heavenly Sword will be rentals for me until it gets to the $29 or less level.
Say, is anyone here playing the Gundam Dynasty Warriors game? I tried it out and it's not as bad as I thought it would be (despite the lame demo). It is brainless just like 99 Nights on the 360 but with the DW flavor/feel.

[Majinvegeta]

Question about Warhawk:

When flying a warhawk and a missile is locked on it, I see a red box in the middle of the screen. The moving bar thing on the top of the box means how well I am evading right? What do the red flashing little boxes on the bottom of the red box mean? Sometimes there are more than one flashing little box.

Cool thing about Warhawk is that you can lock on multiple missiles onto one enemy (depending on the missile you are using), so those multiple box I think mean that you have been locked on with that many missiles, so you gotta continue to evade until all those missiles lose their direction towards you.

There are a couple of ways to get rid of enemy missiles on your tail, 1 is to use those Chaff Dispenser (so the missiles lose their coordinates to you). 2nd you can use the right analogue stick to move your aircraft around quickly, helps evade missiles. 3rd you can use turbo + analogue stick to evade as well.

[GunnerX]

In other words, you can use chaff to avoid missiles or use your afterburner or do barrel rolls and loops. Make sure you switch to flight mode though (triangle button). You can't avoid missiles in hover mode. :)

[theprodigy]

do any of you guys have problems with warhawk crashing? Sometimes it just hangs on a screen and I have to do a hard reboot...

[amicus]

do any of you guys have problems with warhawk crashing? Sometimes it just hangs on a screen and I have to do a hard reboot...

its happened to me three times so far. i just restart and go back for more.

[zerocool24]

mine completely froze the ps3 earlier.

[sfu_lifer]

Rented it and it froze my machine as well. You'd think after the beta they'd have gotten rid of the freezing. :evil:
I guess they didn't want to push it out even more considering Halo 3 is coming out very soon and the media onslaught has started. Hopefully they patch these up soon.

Wow and if you thought IGN's reviewer was brutal, look at Gamespot's 4.5 review.
OUCH. It's becoming almost a universal damnation of the game.
If I were the developers, I'd be changing the mandatory SUXAXIS control scheme and targeting system ASAP and be preparing to put out a patch as soon as they can to at least allow for traditional control methods.

[BD006]

Rented it and it froze my machine as well. You'd think after the beta they'd have gotten rid of the freezing. :evil:
I guess they didn't want to push it out even more considering Halo 3 is coming out very soon and the media onslaught has started. Hopefully they patch these up soon.

Wow and if you thought IGN's reviewer was brutal, look at Gamespot's 4.5 review.
OUCH. It's becoming almost a universal damnation of the game.
If I were the developers, I'd be changing the mandatory SUXAXIS control scheme and targeting system ASAP and be preparing to put out a patch as soon as they can to at least allow for traditional control methods.

I think they were talking about Warhawk freezing, but good to know about Lair. ;)

[sfu_lifer]

I think they were talking about Warhawk freezing, but good to know about Lair. ;)
Yeah, that's why I quoted, it's Warhawk that I rented and froze my machine. I guess I should've separated my responses :D.

[icecold2021]

update on lair.

boss fights = incredibly annoying. you have to strafe side to side to avoid attacks but in order to do so you have to violently swing the sixaxis to get any response out of it.

[nfnx]

lol prob the wrong time, but guys, i still need 1 or 2 more people in on the group buy for games



5 people x 10 dollars each = 50 bucks for downloadable games that can be downloaded on 5 units.

im thinking puzzle fighter, calling all cars, and 2 more or so of your choice... maybe that bacteria shooting game? lol

anyways PM ME!

[icecold2021]

lol prob the wrong time, but guys, i still need 1 or 2 more people in on the group buy for games



5 people x 10 dollars each = 50 bucks for downloadable games that can be downloaded on 5 units.

im thinking puzzle fighter, calling all cars, and 2 more or so of your choice... maybe that bacteria shooting game? lol

anyways PM ME!

pm sent

[marcopolo85]

I hope factor 5 puts out a downloadable patch or something that will fix the controls or give you the option not to use the sixaxis.

Sony really screwed the pooch with the sixaxis, 100% gimmick.

[nfnx]

just a question for the previous set of users that did the 5 game split between 5 users.


how does this work?
1 username? each person logs in and downloads it upto 5 consoles?

any help would be appreciated. thank you

[zerocool24]

just a question for the previous set of users that did the 5 game split between 5 users.


how does this work?
1 username? each person logs in and downloads it upto 5 consoles?

any help would be appreciated. thank you

afaik yes that is correct, although you have to keep the username that the gameshare is setup on, once the account is deleted off a console you wont have the ability to play the games downloaded. I havent actually participated in a gameshare but that is how i believe it works.

[Majinvegeta]

Can I also get in on this?? i am willing to pay the $10 bux via EMT, my CC will not work on PSN :( so I can't buy anything!

[sfu_lifer]

I hope factor 5 puts out a downloadable patch or something that will fix the controls or give you the option not to use the sixaxis.

Sony really screwed the pooch with the sixaxis, 100% gimmick.

I know. I've been avoiding any game that forces you to use the SUXAXIS as part of an important gameplay mechanic. It just doesn't register a lot of the times and leads to frustration (Folklore is a good example of this). The Wiimote is a good example of motion control done right although it's not perfect either but at least it's not terribly frustrating. At first I thought it was me that sucked but I got another SUXAXIS and a few friends also had difficulty performing the actions. Steering in Motorstorm vs steering using the Wiimote in the ugly truck racing game, I'd take the Wiimote everytime.

[rahzel]

there is nothing wrong with the sixaxis if the controls are done right. i've seen a lot of people prefer the motion controls over the thumb sticks in Warhawk.

but i do agree that developers should give us the choice.

[Majinvegeta]

there is nothing wrong with the sixaxis if the controls are done right. i've seen a lot of people prefer the motion controls over the thumb sticks in Warhawk.

but i do agree that developers should give us the choice.

And I am one of them, I used it for both Blazing Angels and Warhawk, preferred it over the analog sticks because you have more freedom and it just feels better for me. I don't think it sucks, I have used it and it works fine for me, never had issues where the controller stopped responding or anything, its smooth and works great.

[sfu_lifer]

there is nothing wrong with the sixaxis if the controls are done right.
And therein lies the problem. We're month 10 now and outside of fl0w, not one retail game has been lauded that used the suxaxis in your words, done right. Even Lair, a game that was focused totally on motion control, ended up failing horribly. I really tried to control my craft in Warhawk using motion control but ended up going back to the traditional setup after 30 min.
I hope they keep giving us the choice cos so far it's been one major dud.

[rahzel]

ehm, did i forget to mention Warhawk? :confused:
Motorstorm and Call of Duty and any other game that uses it in driving, its pretty decent. for Motorstorm, it may not be the best way to play if you want to get good times or if you're competing, but its a lot of fun.

Lair is the really the first game where you would think Motion controls would work well but failed to do so. Developers seem to find some way to implement it in their games but fail horribly. luckily, they usually give you the option of using it or not. but like i said, there are games that use it well so it is possible. i say give it time and developers will learn how to implement it better.

[Emancipated]

Sixaxis on F1 CE is pretty intuitive.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=36p7QBmnqMg&mode=related&search=

[Brownbear]

Its been confirmed that you can play Lair on the PSP through remote play. I think this is huge news and i hope they implement it in more games.

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=lair&thread.id=7613&view=by_date_ascending&page=1

Who saw this coming? I remember using remote play and wishing i could do exactly this! Shame Lair sucks!

[Badman]

Its been confirmed that you can play Lair on the PSP through remote play. I think this is huge news and i hope they implement it in more games.

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=lair&thread.id=7613&view=by_date_ascending&page=1

Who saw this coming? I remember using remote play and wishing i could do exactly this! Shame Lair sucks!

Wow, now thats something that could give the ps3 the edge. They should do this with more games, makes me even wanna get lair myself now.

[zerocool24]

Sixaxis on F1 CE is pretty intuitive.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=36p7QBmnqMg&mode=related&search=

maybe i missed it but that didnt actually show the person using the motion control.

[icecold2021]

so i just played through some lair levels on my psp, pretty fun, looks like **** with ghosting but still fun.


anyone know what other ps3/downloadable games work on remote play?

[Majinvegeta]

I found some interesting tid bits you guys might want to know...if you already don't.

It seems that if you plug in a controller that does not support SIXAXIS (Say a PS2 controller), then you can use the analog sticks to control the dragon.

Another big huge thing..

You can actually use the PSP and PS3 remote play to play LAIR on your PSP! its playable...laggy though. I haven't tried it myself, but it is confirmed.

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/09/02/confirmed-lair-can-be-played-on-psp/#comments

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=lair&thread.id=7613&view=by_date_ascending&page=1

ERR...WOW am I late on that news or what hahaha.


Its been confirmed that you can play Lair on the PSP through remote play. I think this is huge news and i hope they implement it in more games.

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=lair&thread.id=7613&view=by_date_ascending&page=1

Who saw this coming? I remember using remote play and wishing i could do exactly this! Shame Lair sucks!

I definitely saw this as being possible. I didn't understand why it wouldn't be, its almost like watching a movie on a PSP via PS3 remote play. The PS3 is doing all the calculations, all the PS3 has to do is just process it and make it viewable on the PSP. So 1 SPU should be able to handle that, and LAIR has just proven it. Now due to lack of available buttons on the PSP, we won't see all games, but I do expect many games to be playable on the PSP using PS3 Remote Play. They can surely adjust the controls for people who want to play on the PSP to allow for easier play.

[zerocool24]

remote play lets you play the ps3 from a distance? like i could play it on the bus or whatever? why would you play it on the psp and not a ps3?

[Brownbear]

remote play lets you play the ps3 from a distance? like i could play it on the bus or whatever? why would you play it on the psp and not a ps3?

No, in order to do remote play you'd either have to 1) be in the range of the PS3's WIFI, or 2) set your PS3 up for remote play over a broadband connection, then connect (your PSP) to it(PS3) from a WIFI enabled location.. (or so i think? i havent actually used remote play over broadband)

[zerocool24]

ok i guess i get why itd be useful to do over broad band, but why do it in the area of the ps3? especially for newer games i could understand on some of the older games where they look like crap but playing lair on a psp in the vincinity of a ps3 doesn't seem intelligent to me, although i have read about using the psp as a rear view mirror in racing games, if its something similar than that is understandable, otherwise i dont see how this will help sell more ps3s

[Brownbear]

ok i guess i get why itd be useful to do over broad band, but why do it in the area of the ps3? especially for newer games i could understand on some of the older games where they look like crap but playing lair on a psp in the vincinity of a ps3 doesn't seem intelligent to me, although i have read about using the psp as a rear view mirror in racing games, if its something similar than that is understandable, otherwise i dont see how this will help sell more ps3s

Who knows, this whole thing wasnt even announced and took everyone by surprise, so its not like its an official feature as of now... Its just 'Cool' that you're able to do it.

[maebach]

my username is maebach if anybody wants to add me. I'll be getting warhawk this week probably

[rahzel]

firmware 1.92 is available. rumored that the update is just for warhawk.

[Majinvegeta]

firmware 1.92 is available. rumored that the update is just for warhawk.

No actually theres more to it. It also has some updates on game compatibility and you can now have flash backgrounds, XMB performance has increased. Loading for PSN games has increased (not sure about others). The browser and Playstation Store has been improved in terms of loading as well.

I don't know if theres more, but thats what I have read, and I did see difference in speed when loading games like Stardust.

Anyways,

Also Tokyo Game Show (TGS) is on the 20th and Sony is going to have 40 playable titles and 50 game trailers to show off. Theres 4 unknown titles that have not yet been named, they will also be playable at TGS.

Heres the list from IGN - http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/817/817523p1.html



Here's the full list.

Record of Agarest War (Idea Factory)
Spiderman 3 (Activision)
Transformers (Activision)
Pirates of the Caribbean World End (Disney)
FIFA 2008 (EA)
NBA Live 08 (EA)
Need For Speed Pro Street (EA)
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (EA)
Railfan Taiwan Koutetsu (Ongakkan)
Devil May Cry 4 (Capcom)
PixelJunk Racers (Q Games)
Unannounced Title (Q Entertainment)
G1 Jockey 4 2007 (Koei)
Dynasty Warriors 6 (Koei)
The Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion (Spike)
Tony Hawk Project 8 (Spike)
Sega Rally (Sega)
Inabikisou (Sega)
Oideyo LocoRoco!! Buu Buu Cocoreccho (Sony)
Eye of Judgment Biolith Rebellion (Sony)
echochrome (Sony)
Go! Sports Ski (Sony)
Heavenly Sword (Sony)
LittleBigPlanet (Sony)
Rise From Lair (Sony)
Warhawk (Sony)
Uncharted (Sony)
Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (Sony)
Mainichi Isyo (Sony)
Ratchet & Clank Future (Sony)
White Knight Story (Sony)
Ratatouille (THQ Japan)
Dark Sector (D3 Publisher)
Time Crisis 4 (Bandai Namco Games)
Assassin's Creed (Ubisoft)
Ghost Recon Advance Warfighter 2 (Ubisoft)

Sony is also promising that four currently unannounced titles will join these 36 games in playable form, bringing the list up to 40.


And once again, Sony will have the largest booth at the show :D.

[SergesPlace]

Hey guys! I'm new to the whole gaming consoles and after picking up both the xbox 360 and the ps3 i decided that for my needs the ps3 was a much better choice. I'm curious about playing ps2 games on the unit. Is there significant graphics loss or overall quality of the games? What should i expect? Ps2 games are so cheap now i thought i'd get a few of those to play as well as ps3 titles.

[icecold2021]

Hey guys! I'm new to the whole gaming consoles and after picking up both the xbox 360 and the ps3 i decided that for my needs the ps3 was a much better choice. I'm curious about playing ps2 games on the unit. Is there significant graphics loss or overall quality of the games? What should i expect? Ps2 games are so cheap now i thought i'd get a few of those to play as well as ps3 titles.

ive only played gow2 and shadow of the collosus on ps3 and they look better than on ps2

[Majinvegeta]

Hey guys! I'm new to the whole gaming consoles and after picking up both the xbox 360 and the ps3 i decided that for my needs the ps3 was a much better choice. I'm curious about playing ps2 games on the unit. Is there significant graphics loss or overall quality of the games? What should i expect? Ps2 games are so cheap now i thought i'd get a few of those to play as well as ps3 titles.

Currently the PS3 is capable of smoothing the graphics and upscaling them to up to 1080p. So the graphics should look better, not worse. Most games are supported, but on playstation.com you can check the compatibility list to make sure if you want.

[rollen]

Currently the PS3 is capable of smoothing the graphics and upscaling them to up to 1080p. So the graphics should look better, not worse. Most games are supported, but on playstation.com you can check the compatibility list to make sure if you want.

that's if he got the 80gb ver of the current PS3s out in the market. hopefully he's got the 60gb ver with the EE still in there! :cheesygri otherwise, he'd have the keep checking the compatibility listing.

[SergesPlace]

that's if he got the 80gb ver of the current PS3s out in the market. hopefully he's got the 60gb ver with the EE still in there! :cheesygri otherwise, he'd have the keep checking the compatibility listing.

Yes, i do in fact have the 60gb version


Currently the PS3 is capable of smoothing the graphics and upscaling them to up to 1080p. So the graphics should look better, not worse. Most games are supported, but on playstation.com you can check the compatibility list to make sure if you want.

Ok thanks

[icecold2021]

that's if he got the 80gb ver of the current PS3s out in the market. hopefully he's got the 60gb ver with the EE still in there! :cheesygri otherwise, he'd have the keep checking the compatibility listing.

i heard that the software emulation was actually better in the sense that it would run the supported titles more efficiently than the hardware emulation which allows for a greater volume of games to run on the ps3. or am i mistaken?

[rahzel]

@SergesPlace,
upscaled PS2 games look better on PS3 than they do on PS2, with the exception of games that support progressive scan. if you choose to enable progressive scan in the game, it will override the upscale setting and run at 480p instead, so really, the ps3 60GB (with the EE) is the best ps2.

[SergesPlace]

@SergesPlace,
upscaled PS2 games look better on PS3 than they do on PS2, with the exception of games that support progressive scan. if you choose to enable progressive scan in the game, it will override the upscale setting and run at 480p instead, so really, the ps3 60GB (with the EE) is the best ps2.

Good info, thanks

[nfnx]

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&thread.id=1915590


damn im selling my remote... lol

[GunnerX]

Yeah, anyone want my remote? I don't think I need all those buttons and functions. :D

So, is everyone rushing out to buy Lair? It plays differently on everyone's PS3 like how Video cards are different on every PC right? :D All those reviews about Lair can't be trusted that's for sure. Well, except for Play Magazine who speaks the truth.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2007/20070903.jpg

[sfu_lifer]

Passed on Lair and Warhawk and will also just rent Heavenly Sword.
But I'm in for Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted and Singstar :D

Was chatting with two Gamestop people down in the US today and Lair sales have definitely been affected by the poor reviews at least for their two stores.
Blue Dragon as well seems to be selling poorly.

[Vertigo]

Passed on Lair, but couldn't help but pick up Warhawk @ $37, courtesy of BestBuy, FS, and the RFD disease. ^^;;

[rahzel]

passed on Lair as well, wasn't going to buy that game anyway. i wasn't going to buy Warhawk either but for 40 bucks with headset, i bought it too. ill also be picking up HS and i still want to pickup NGS eventually. Haze, UT3, Uncharted, Call of Duty 4, GT5 Prologue and R&C are on my radar too for games coming out this year.

btw, there will be a Stranglehold demo (http://forums.midway.com/all_things_stranglehold/b10788/27415914/p1/?2) this week on PSN. they're adding a lot more demos lately.

[rdtx2002]

Passed on Lair and Warhawk and will also just rent Heavenly Sword.
But I'm in for Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted and Singstar :D

Was chatting with two Gamestop people down in the US today and Lair sales have definitely been affected by the poor reviews at least for their two stores.
Blue Dragon as well seems to be selling poorly.

people really need to think for themselves and not rely on the opinions of reviewers.

[GunnerX]

people really need to think for themselves and not rely on the opinions of reviewers.

So did you go run out and buy Lair?

[zerocool24]

So did you go run out and buy Lair?

for the ps3 he doesnt have?

[GunnerX]

for the ps3 he doesnt have?

:D :D

[Driftwood]

people really need to think for themselves and not rely on the opinions of reviewers.


People need to waste $59 and a few hours of their life before they can say a game sucks? ;)

[Vertigo]

people really need to think for themselves and not rely on the opinions of reviewers.

Yeah, for sure. It's not like they neglected to release a demo for Lair or anything.

Oh.... wait. :rolleyes:

[maebach]

I rented Lair, and its not as bad as the reviews were. It took me 15 mins to get use to the controls, and its alright. Is the Warhawk deal still on? If so, I want to buy it today or tommorrow

[rahzel]

Warhawk deal should be on until the end of Thursday. it seems pretty hard to find though. i think i ordered mine from bestbuy.ca before they sold out (i hope they ship it today).

[rdtx2002]

So did you go run out and buy Lair?

didn't buy my ps3 yet. i read about the 80gb price drop

[maebach]

will walmart PM it if I rpint off the BB webpage?

[rahzel]

i was going to try that, but the walmart i went to sold out so i had to buy it from bestbuy.ca. i think they will, just say it was in the flyer but i don't have it anymore.

[Marlek]

people really need to think for themselves and not rely on the opinions of reviewers.

Most people can't afford to buy EVERY game. Meta-review sites like gamerankings.com are a very useful tool to decide what's worth buying.

[thecharlie]

Is the PSN down for any of you right now? I keep getting a connection error and it's REALLY REALLY bothering me. I just picked up Warhawk too! Ahhh I want to play so bad!

[CFRTim]

didn't buy my ps3 yet. i read about the 80gb price drop

rdtx2002 & Jon Lai, two of the biggest PS3 supporters don't have one. Go figure. :rolleyes:

As for the price drop, it only makes sense:

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=17307&ncid=AOLGAM000500000000004

[Sheky]

Hmm, the controls for Lair doesn't look that bad.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fxPKXfRRNAY

Really, when you think about it, the control scheme makes sense. It's not a vehicle that can turn on a dime.

I think I'll pick it up after I get my LCD TV.

[rahzel]

theres a rumor going around that firmware 1.92 addresses the sixaxis motion controls making them a little more responsive. compare that to this video.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hXhdraEvShk

[Sgt_Strider]

rdtx2002 & Jon Lai, two of the biggest PS3 supporters don't have one. Go figure. :rolleyes:

As for the price drop, it only makes sense:

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=17307&ncid=AOLGAM000500000000004

Funny isn't it?

[Sheky]

theres a rumor going around that firmware 1.92 addresses the sixaxis motion controls making them a little more responsive. compare that to this video.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hXhdraEvShk

Wow, I think you're right. It looks a lot tighter after v1.92.

[HUH]

Are there any pre-order promotions for Heavenly Sword? It's coming next week

[rollen]

Are there any pre-order promotions for Heavenly Sword? It's coming next week

damn, another game i have pre-ordered is coming out...and i've barely played the ones that got released the past 2-3 weeks...sheesh...and there's more coming.

i haven't seen such a big influx of game releases in a while...this year is even better than last year... with the 360 being already established and ps3/wii finding a wider audience...this holiday season is going to be great!

[rdtx2002]

rdtx2002 & Jon Lai, two of the biggest PS3 supporters don't have one. Go figure. :rolleyes:

As for the price drop, it only makes sense:

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=17307&ncid=AOLGAM000500000000004

i owned 2 beforehand, thank you sir. Sold one for profit, gave one to someone else.

[nfnx]

i love the media sharing feature..... wicked stuff

[rahzel]

Stranglehold and NBA Live 08 demos as well as other goodies on PSN this week.

[maebach]

just bought warhawk today from zellers. PM'd with BB. I havent got a chance to play yet though :\

[Majinvegeta]

Stranglehold and NBA Live 08 demos as well as other goodies on PSN this week.

W00t!! Downloading Stranglehold right now :D. Hopefully its fun to play, looks good so far to buy..hehe.

[Brownbear]

W00t!! Downloading Stranglehold right now :D. Hopefully its fun to play, looks good so far to buy..hehe.

you'll find that its very similar to maxpayne and that the diving can get annoying as it is triggered way too easily.. my 2 cents

[rollen]

Stranglehold and NBA Live 08 demos as well as other goodies on PSN this week.

downloaded the demo for NBA Live 08...its a "meh" for me... graphically impressive, game play is the one thing that annoys me. I've also notice some slow downs at certain points in the demo, especially when the camera rotates or moves around the court...

i'll wait for nba 2k8.

[snika]

downloaded the demo for NBA Live 08...its a "meh" for me... graphically impressive, game play is the one thing that annoys me. I've also notice some slow downs at certain points in the demo, especially when the camera rotates or moves around the court...

i'll wait for nba 2k8.

hey I just played it too, its much better then Live 2007 but like you said, I had a lot of lag in this game too, especially when I first started it up. Second Quarter ran much smoother. I think ill be going with 2k8 this year as well

[sfu_lifer]

downloaded the demo for NBA Live 08...its a "meh" for me... graphically impressive, game play is the one thing that annoys me. I've also notice some slow downs at certain points in the demo, especially when the camera rotates or moves around the court...

i'll wait for nba 2k8.
I find NBA2K8 worse graphically and for post-ups I hate their bounding boxes that "stick" to your character. Some post-ups should be easy (i.e. Shaq) but their AI makes it near impossible to dominate in the post unless you do up and unders and fakes which Shaq never has to do :evil:

[maebach]

do we have an RFD warhawk clan yet? we should make one.

[ATLien69]

+1


do we have an RFD warhawk clan yet? we should make one.

[rollen]

:lol: the only person i have on my list is ATLien69...is there a thread for the warhawk clan?

[ATLien69]

hey yeah Rollen, did you not make the RFD clan yet? I never got any invite from ya or anything...start a warhawk clan and then post it here, so everyone can join!!! Although I have to admit I haven't logged into warhawk in like 3 days so maybe you've sent it since...no gf tonight, all home alone, so gonna drink and play warhawk a lot tonight! :)


:lol: the only person i have on my list is ATLien69...is there a thread for the warhawk clan?

[ATLien69]

ok scratch that... I just made a RFD warhawk clan called "RFDwarhawks"... so to anyone wanting to be part of the clan just make me a PSN friend (usename: ATLien69 ) and in the message just type warhawk clan or something similar...rolle, I just sent you an invite....

LET'S GET THIS CLAN STARTED! and let's have some fun!

[amicus]

i'm still having network issues with warhawk.

maybe when it gets sorted out.

[nden]

ok scratch that... I just made a RFD warhawk clan called "RFDwarhawks"... so to anyone wanting to be part of the clan just make me a PSN friend (usename: ATLien69 ) and in the message just type warhawk clan or something similar...rolle, I just sent you an invite....

LET'S GET THIS CLAN STARTED! and let's have some fun!


I'm in :) for some casual games :)

[Deals Deals Deals]

ok scratch that... I just made a RFD warhawk clan called "RFDwarhawks"... so to anyone wanting to be part of the clan just make me a PSN friend (usename: ATLien69 ) and in the message just type warhawk clan or something similar...rolle, I just sent you an invite....

LET'S GET THIS CLAN STARTED! and let's have some fun!

It might be a good idea to make a new Warhawk Clan thread.

[ATLien69]

Done! :)

check it out here:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5587807#post5587807



It might be a good idea to make a new Warhawk Clan thread.

[Deals Deals Deals]

Stranglehold Demo was pretty fun.

[maebach]

When I try to go online to play warhawk, it scans for servers for about 2 seconds, and then it says:

Servers Not Responding

Please check your network connection and try again.



I can get into PSN fine. I dled NBA08 demo yesterday fine. I can use the web browser. what does this error mean? theres no troubleshooting section in the manual as well.

and for some reason, I can never get onto a Sony site/forum. It says that its not available. :/

[sfu_lifer]

Does anyone know if the wifi chip inside the PS3 60GB/80GB are soldered on or socketed (i.e. can a 20GB PS3 be modded to take one)? I'm using an dd-wrt'ed bridge at the moment which is working great for both my 360 and PS3 but I'm curious whether wifi is still a possibility for the 20GB'ers. I've already expanded my HD to 100GB.

[amicus]

When I try to go online to play warhawk, it scans for servers for about 2 seconds, and then it says:

Servers Not Responding

Please check your network connection and try again.



I can get into PSN fine. I dled NBA08 demo yesterday fine. I can use the web browser. what does this error mean? theres no troubleshooting section in the manual as well.

and for some reason, I can never get onto a Sony site/forum. It says that its not available. :/


putting my ps3 in the dmz on my router helped enormously with my warhawk network connection issues. try that if you haven't done that.

[nden]

LOL. Dogfight rank games are fun. I managed to rank Wingman in 2 days :) I just suck at other games type.

For customizing your Character / Aircraft. You need to get higher rank to get new skins. :)

I made this for fun too:

http://unkool.com/images/archives/tL_Warhawk_stats.jpg

[maebach]

this is so frustrating! I called sony, and no help at all. Ive opened like 20 ports, put my ps3 outside the dmz, I have nat type 2, i can dl demos/browse online. ITS JUST WARHAWK!!!!!! WHY ME???????????????????? Ive tried everything! I can even get onto the us.playstation/uk.playstation site (or any other official PS site)! I think my ISP is blocking playstation sites from me!

[nden]

this is so frustrating! I called sony, and no help at all. Ive opened like 20 ports, put my ps3 outside the dmz, I have nat type 2, i can dl demos/browse online. ITS JUST WARHAWK!!!!!! WHY ME???????????????????? Ive tried everything! I can even get onto the us.playstation/uk.playstation site (or any other official PS site)! I think my ISP is blocking playstation sites from me!

What is your ISP?

How do you connect PS3 to internet? Wireless? wired?

For me, I just wired PS3 to my router, internet right away.

[sfu_lifer]

this is so frustrating! I called sony, and no help at all. Ive opened like 20 ports, put my ps3 outside the dmz, I have nat type 2, i can dl demos/browse online. ITS JUST WARHAWK!!!!!! WHY ME???????????????????? Ive tried everything! I can even get onto the us.playstation/uk.playstation site (or any other official PS site)! I think my ISP is blocking playstation sites from me!
What does it say when you hit those Playstation sites?
Maybe their DNS just sucks.
Try temporarily setting your DNS to the opendns servers and see if you can hit the sites:
http://www.opendns.com/

[maebach]

What does it say when you hit those Playstation sites?
Maybe their DNS just sucks.
Try temporarily setting your DNS to the opendns servers and see if you can hit the sites:
http://www.opendns.com/

thanks SOOOOOOOOOmuch. I did that dns stuff. and now I can go on the playstation sites and warhawk! I played a good 40 mins of it!

[sfu_lifer]

thanks SOOOOOOOOOmuch. I did that dns stuff. and now I can go on the playstation sites and warhawk! I played a good 40 mins of it!
Cool, np. You should email your ISP and tell them they're having DNS problems. If it was working properly, you'd be able to hit those sites without any issues and the problem is definitely on your ISP's end.

[atb1o1]

thanks SOOOOOOOOOmuch. I did that dns stuff. and now I can go on the playstation sites and warhawk! I played a good 40 mins of it!

lemme guess, your ISP is Rogers?

[maebach]

lemme guess, your ISP is Rogers?

3web

[rollen]

3web

dammit, i was actually thinking of switching to them from rogers...

[icecold2021]

i hear teksavvy is the way to go. im gonna be switching to them from bell shitpatico

[skule123]

TekSavvy has been completely painless for my 360, PS3, and Wii (DS and PSP too) setups. I blame RFD for that list of systems.

[wpooh888]

http://ps3.qj.net/Happy-holidays-pt-2-80GB-PS3-unit-for-US-499-40GB-for-399-confirmed-/pg/49/aid/102144

New 40gb bundle too.

[sfu_lifer]

I hope it's true. Why people would buy the 80GB version is beyond me esp considering 160GB SATA HD's can be had for <$100.

[CFRTim]

http://ps3.qj.net/Happy-holidays-pt-2-80GB-PS3-unit-for-US-499-40GB-for-399-confirmed-/pg/49/aid/102144

New 40gb bundle too.


I hope it's true. Why people would buy the 80GB version is beyond me esp considering 160GB SATA HD's can be had for <$100.

I don't know, another SKU; I thought people were saying the XBOX had too many. Plus I read somewhere that SONY was getting the 80GB at a better price than the 60GB, so what deal they've got on the 40GB, to make another SKU ( 20-60-80-40 all this within 1 year) I guess they can't make up their mind; no wonder they got slammed by Square Enix
http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUST37062220070907

[nden]

So, basically PS3s currently have 20GB - 40GB - 60GB - 80GB version

I'm sure in the future they will add 100GB, 120GB, 160GB to their console for those who doesn't know how to do Hard-drive upgrade :)

[sfu_lifer]

So, basically PS3s currently have 20GB - 40GB - 60GB - 80GB version

I'm sure in the future they will add 100GB, 120GB, 160GB to their console for those who doesn't know how to do Hard-drive upgrade :)
Yup but in another few months, the 20GB (I'm sure most of it's already gone) and 60GB will be off the shelves.

[CFRTim]

Yup but in another few months, the 20GB (I'm sure most of it's already gone) and 60GB will be off the shelves.

I wish they put out a "basic" model with no HDD, no EE ( I don’t care about PS2 games), no useless SD cables no crap at $299.

[maebach]

I cant wait for the holiday season:

Army of Two
FIFA 08
THEY
Haze
Folklore
Kane & Lynch
Unreal Tournament 3
Assassin's Creed

[PCDawg]

So, basically PS3s currently have 20GB - 40GB - 60GB - 80GB version

I'm sure in the future they will add 100GB, 120GB, 160GB to their console for those who doesn't know how to do Hard-drive upgrade :)

So it seems the the replacement plans are
20 -> 40
60 -> 80
--------------

You are probably right, in the future it'll be
60 -> 120

With the 60GB being the price of the lower end model.

[nden]

I cant wait for the holiday season:

Army of Two
FIFA 08
THEY
Haze
Folklore
Kane & Lynch
Unreal Tournament 3
Assassin's Creed

LOL

On your list, I'm really interested in UT3.

[maebach]

LOL

On your list, I'm really interested in UT3.

thats it?! Kane and Lynch and Assassin's Creed look AMAZING!

[sfu_lifer]

thats it?! Kane and Lynch and Assassin's Creed look AMAZING!

You forgot Uncharted in there as well as Ratchet and Clank.
The only 2 games I'm interested in (well UT3 if it does come out, Mark Rein seems to have given himself some wriggle room).

[shannn]

http://www.namcobandaigames.com/games/eternalsonata/

Date TBD

Either way, looks like PS3 is getting games...ported over from XBOX360...in due time...

Wonder if the same thing will happen with Ace Combat 6, or even Katamari (I really hope so, the game could be promising with sixaxis support)...did they officially can the game, or did it just disappear?

[sfu_lifer]

http://www.namcobandaigames.com/games/eternalsonata/

Date TBD

Either way, looks like PS3 is getting games...ported over from XBOX360...in due time...

Wonder if the same thing will happen with Ace Combat 6, or even Katamari (I really hope so, the game could be promising with sixaxis support)...did they officially can the game, or did it just disappear?

Cool. A good JRPG on the PS3. I bet the public dissing of this title is gonna drop a few notches now that it's coming to PS3. Katamari's cancelled (at least the 360 version wont' be ported to PS3). Who knows about the next one.

[Majinvegeta]

I wish they put out a "basic" model with no HDD, no EE ( I don’t care about PS2 games), no useless SD cables no crap at $299.

No, that would not be smart.

Why? well, look at what happened to Xbox360 core. Developers now criticize it because they cannot take advantage of the HDD to help with load times. That and lack of space is what R* are complaining about. Its always good to give HDD as an option to help with load times. So I definitely disagree with a "basic" model, it would be called the "tardpack" which is what they call the 360 core.

As for too many SKU's on Sony side, I disagree with that. 20GB are obsolete, you don't find them in stores anymore, so its still only 2 SKU's, which is what they started out with. The 20GB / 60GB models were confusing. Because one lacked features such as WiFi and other stuff compared to the 60GB.

But right now, it seems pretty good, 80GB / 60GB models just have difference in HDD space and one includes Motorstorm while the other doesn't. So there is no confusion. Hopefully this rumored 40GB model's only difference will be the hard drive space. By the time the 40GB is out, 60GB will pretty much be obsolete, or at least near the end.

So yea, Xbox does have too many, because it confuses people. You have a core model which lacks wireless controller, headset, hard drive etc. PS3 20GB was in a similar position, but not as bad. Because at least the 20GB Model had a hard drive, so all the essentials to play games, save games, download demos is all there. Its just extra features like WiFi or Memory card slots that was left out, which is fine. Thats why the core is called "tard pack" lol.

BTW, developers of Katamari have a special new game coming out for PS3.

[skule123]

Katamari's cancelled (at least the 360 version wont' be ported to PS3).

Namco Bandai has the PS3 release date listed as TBD, at least for now.

http://www.namcobandaigames.com/games/beautifulkatamari/


Platforms
Nintendo Wii™
PLAYSTATION®3
Xbox 360™

Release Date
Nintendo Wii™
TBD

PLAYSTATION 3
TBD

Xbox 360™
October 16, 2007

[skule123]

Funny, they edited out everything except for the 360 from that URL, even though the references to the Wii and PS3 were copied and pasted directly from there for my earlier post.

[Majinvegeta]

Funny, they edited out everything except for the 360 from that URL, even though the references to the Wii and PS3 were copied and pasted directly from there for my earlier post.

ROFL, Katamari confirmed cross platform. Well, I guess it COULD have been a mistake as well, but I definitely think katamari and Ace Combat will go multi soon.

[CFRTim]

ROFL, Katamari confirmed cross platform. Well, I guess it COULD have been a mistake as well, but I definitely think katamari and Ace Combat will go multi soon.

Is that why Namco had removed the Wii and PS3 from the site? Who cares, it's not that good of a game anyway (my opinoin at least)

[CFRTim]

No, that would not be smart.

Why? well, look at what happened to Xbox360 core. Developers now criticize it because they cannot take advantage of the HDD to help with load times. That and lack of space is what R* are complaining about. Its always good to give HDD as an option to help with load times. So I definitely disagree with a "basic" model, it would be called the "tardpack" which is what they call the 360 core.

M$ was ******** (or smart) for locking the HDD; SONY did not, so anyone can install a HDD. The Core XBOX does not have the enclosure and connection for the HDD, unlike the PS3. If you sell a console that can run Linux, I guess you know geeks would buy it, and geeks can install a HDD, so NO it would not be stupid on SONYs part to release a bare core console (not from a tech point of view at least; financial...... that's another story)

[skule123]

Post removed, misread earlier post.

[Majinvegeta]

M$ was ******** (or smart) for locking the HDD; SONY did not, so anyone can install a HDD. The Core XBOX does not have the enclosure and connection for the HDD, unlike the PS3. If you sell a console that can run Linux, I guess you know geeks would buy it, and geeks can install a HDD, so NO it would not be stupid on SONYs part to release a bare core console (not from a tech point of view at least; financial...... that's another story)

Sony wants people to be able to upgrade their hard drives as they please. And not only tech guys buy a PS3, people who are clueless about hardware buy them as well, and they would then be left hard drive less. Which means they wont be able to play all games, because there are games like Warhawk that require certain amount of space for caching and what not. Developers always like to work with the basic available features, that way all the customers who buy that console will be able to play that game. So if a large portion of people bought this hard drive-less package, developers will be losing out on potential customers unless they work around that problem.

So they wont, and its wrong to do so, because developers wont be able to use it to help with load times and what not. If you want a Ps3, just save up some money and buy it, its not expensive. I mean you don't complain about X360 elite, but here you are complaining about the 60GB model? $549.99, its not bad at all. Sony doesn't want a tard pack where people get all confused about what it comes with and what it doesn't.

[marcopolo85]

burnout paradise ps3 video
http://www.n4g.com/NewsPendingCom-66879.aspx

This game is gonna be insane
This is the only game that i will buy from EA.

[maebach]

burnout paradise ps3 video
http://www.n4g.com/NewsPendingCom-66879.aspx

This game is gonna be insane
This is the only game that i will buy from EA.

that, and fifa series. pro evo isnt that fun for me

[jeffyjaixx]

Heavenly Sword Avg. Rating - 81%

http://gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/928391.asp

It seems the only negative thing about it is it's too short.

[sfu_lifer]

Heavenly Sword Avg. Rating - 81%

http://gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/928391.asp

It seems the only negative thing about it is it's too short.
Which is why it's a rental for me. 6 hours on the first playthrough is way too short.

[ashs]

i played teh heavenly sword demo and it just seemed too linear. the fighting and where the computer wanted her to go :-s

[jjgitties]

i am looking forward to playing heavenly sword. is there any word on if they will bundle it with PS3?

[Yesdear]

Why can't the PS3 handle the EA releases this year? First Madden now NHL 08 gets a lower score than the 360 because of framerate (according to a IGN).

[rdtx2002]

Why can't the PS3 handle the EA releases this year? First Madden now NHL 08 gets a lower score than the 360 because of framerate (according to a IGN).

Peter Moore already came out and said that the devs at EA didn't have enough time with the dev kits to optimize the code

[Yesdear]

Peter Moore already came out and said that the devs at EA didn't have enough time with the dev kits to optimize the code

oh, ok.

[CFRTim]

Peter Moore already came out and said that the devs at EA didn't have enough time with the dev kits to optimize the code

So now we have to take advice from Peter Moore on the PS3 :lol: Anyway, I think that FIFA 08 will be 60fps on both consoles

[rahzel]

So now we have to take advice from Peter Moore on the PS3 :lol: Anyway, I think that FIFA 08 will be 60fps on both consoles
yup, so is NBA Live (and this is their first time working on PS3 too). there are different teams working on each title, some teams are just better than others i guess.

[sfu_lifer]

Peter Moore already came out and said that the devs at EA didn't have enough time with the dev kits to optimize the code

If you only knew the backstory behind this :D
They have been working with Sony from the very beginning. EA was the first outside of Sony's internal teams with the devkits and always the first ones updated.
Things are looking up though. Just keep a sharp eye for compromises ;)

[theprodigy]

I tried the nba 08 demo and noticed very noticeable slowdowns for a good minute and a half after picking up a ball from the pile on the side....

[Majinvegeta]

I tried the nba 08 demo and noticed very noticeable slowdowns for a good minute and a half after picking up a ball from the pile on the side....

Thats because EA developers don't know how to program for the PS3. Its interesting that they have over 5400 developers and they cannot learn to use a console. Couldn't they put a small team alone to learn how to properly utilize a PS3?

Largest 3rd party development team in the world, and also the laziest.

[rahzel]

R&C demo on Oct. 4th (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/819/819273p1.html)

[sfu_lifer]

R&C demo on Oct. 4th (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/819/819273p1.html)

Woot! Can't wait. That's one PS3 game I can enjoy with my nephew this Xmas. Hopefully it's on the 10+ hour playtime range.
From
http://www.news1130.com/news/entertainment/article.jsp?content=e091137A

TORONTO (CP) - The most popular game rentals (all platforms) according to Rogers Video for the period ending Sept. 9.
1 Bioshock (Xbox 360)
2 Two Worlds (Xbox 360)
3 Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Nintendo Wii)
4 Liar (PlayStation 3) :lol:
5 Medal of Honor: Airborne (Xbox 360)

[Deals Deals Deals]

Woot! Can't wait. That's one PS3 game I can enjoy with my nephew this Xmas. Hopefully it's on the 10+ hour playtime range.
From
http://www.news1130.com/news/entertainment/article.jsp?content=e091137A

TORONTO (CP) - The most popular game rentals (all platforms) according to Rogers Video for the period ending Sept. 9.
1 Bioshock (Xbox 360)
2 Two Worlds (Xbox 360)
3 Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Nintendo Wii)
4 Liar (PlayStation 3) :lol:
5 Medal of Honor: Airborne (Xbox 360)

:lol: Look at the article under the Rogers Video one, it's the top ten for Blockbuster Video game rental.#1 in the list is also Liar.:lol:

[Deals Deals Deals]

The NBA live 08 demo was not even working properly, everything went in slow-motion.

[CFRTim]

Nothing for sure, but it can be either way at the moment if you believe Mark Rein ( I know I don't):

We do not know exactly when the game will be completed. All we've said is that we're hoping for a November release but as you know we value getting it right over getting it right now so there's no guarantee of that.

http://utforums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=576743&page=2
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/09/12/ut3_might_not_come_in_november/1

[icecold2021]

anyone know if UT: quake wars will have mouse/kb support for ps3? i dont feel like upgrading my pc...

[rollen]

just got a call from my local EB and my copy of heavenly sword is in! :twisted:

[Majinvegeta]

Nothing for sure, but it can be either way at the moment if you believe Mark Rein ( I know I don't):

We do not know exactly when the game will be completed. All we've said is that we're hoping for a November release but as you know we value getting it right over getting it right now so there's no guarantee of that.

http://utforums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=576743&page=2
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/09/12/ut3_might_not_come_in_november/1

Oh well thats too bad, but I don't care much. COD4, Haze, assassins creed and many others will keep me busy :D.

[Majinvegeta]

anyone know if UT: quake wars will have mouse/kb support for ps3? i dont feel like upgrading my pc...

Since Unreal Tournament 3 is allowing gamers to use mouse/kb, I would think Quake Wars would as well.

[maebach]

i just checked, and i didnt know res5 was comming out in 08/09. thought it was early next year :\

[NuggyBuggy]

I hope it's true. Why people would buy the 80GB version is beyond me esp considering 160GB SATA HD's can be had for <$100.
Can you install a replacement HD without voiding the warranty ?

While admittedly knowing not one thing about the PS3 (except that I might buy one), I would guess not, and that this would be one reason for the squeamish to pay through the nose for a slightly larger drive.

Also, is IPTV a Korea-only thing ?

[nden]

Can you install a replacement HD without voiding the warranty ?

Yes, you can.

[PCDawg]

Does anyone know if Stranglehold CE PS3 version be coming to Canada? I cant seem to find it on futureshop or best buy's website. Only the 360 has the CE for sale.

[ATLien69]

FYI.... A crapload of goodies just hit the PSN... 4 demos, including fifa 08, new Tony Hawk and NHL 08...

[amicus]

Does anyone know if Stranglehold CE PS3 version be coming to Canada? I cant seem to find it on futureshop or best buy's website. Only the 360 has the CE for sale.

i have it preordered at ebgames.

[nden]

FYI.... A crapload of goodies just hit the PSN... 4 demos, including fifa 08, new Tony Hawk and NHL 08...

Yah.. After 1.93 system update. BTW, did you guys have problems getting download online? I had to do upgrade the storeage way.

I downloaded the Tony Hawk last night, and going to try out tonight.

[sfu_lifer]

Yah.. After 1.93 system update. BTW, did you guys have problems getting download online? I had to do upgrade the storeage way.

I downloaded the Tony Hawk last night, and going to try out tonight.

Mine refused to finish the first night it was out but it eventually finished yesterday. Since I'm on normal LAN and not wifi, I haven't notice any differences.

[maebach]

WHen I tried wirelessly, I would freeze up at 4% last night. I tried this morning, and it dled fine wirelessly :\

[SergesPlace]

Hey gang, has anyone here played GT4 on their PS3 ? Any issues? I want to pick it up and just wondering if it's running ok on ps3. I have the 60gb version Manu date is Feb 2007.

[sfu_lifer]

Hey gang, has anyone here played GT4 on their PS3 ? Any issues? I want to pick it up and just wondering if it's running ok on ps3. I have the 60gb version Manu date is Feb 2007.
Looks and plays good. Even supported my Logitech MOMO wheel.

[kid_icarus]

i keep getting network error has occurred isues now when playing warhawk....

it's like PSN shuts down and it takes like 2-3 minutes to relog back on....
it's quite frustrating...

[zerocool24]

Hey gang, has anyone here played GT4 on their PS3 ? Any issues? I want to pick it up and just wondering if it's running ok on ps3. I have the 60gb version Manu date is Feb 2007.

i have played it and although ive only played for maybe an hour it played fine.

[Calmuser]

finally got my ps3 up and running and got Ridge Racer 7. But it seems to freeze the ps3 randomly while playing or in the menus. anyone else having this problem with RR7? seems to only be happening in this game at the moment, motorstorm seems fine. Ps3 is upto date as well.

[nfnx]

so does nhl 08 have online leauges? and if so when do we start?

ill pick up the game tomorrow if it does

[Skidz]

Does anyone know if Stranglehold CE PS3 version be coming to Canada? I cant seem to find it on futureshop or best buy's website. Only the 360 has the CE for sale.

EB cancelled my CE order due to some law involving the movie that was included,so no ps3 CE stranglehold will be released in canada.:mad:

[SergesPlace]

Looks and plays good. Even supported my Logitech MOMO wheel.


Ok thanks guys. I saw it new at EBGAMES for $20 so i think i'll grab it today



i have played it and although ive only played for maybe an hour it played fine.

[zerocool24]

Ok thanks guys. I saw it new at EBGAMES for $20 so i think i'll grab it today

i think thats what i picked it up for brand new. Im thinking of picking up a racing wheel for that, as well as f1 championship, not sure if they work for motorstorm.

[sfu_lifer]

i think thats what i picked it up for brand new. Im thinking of picking up a racing wheel for that, as well as f1 championship, not sure if they work for motorstorm.
I don't think any of the wheels work for Motorstorm. F1 has partial support for the Logitech force feedback wheels (for my MOMO, the pedals don't work so you have to accelerate/brake via buttons or the flipper but force feedback does work). It's hit/miss at this point depending on how rushed the developer is.
For the EA games, they mostly support the racing wheels although for some ******** reason, Nascar doesn't support my MOMO :(

[CFRTim]

In a bid to streamline its business and get rid of some assets to free up some valuable cash, Sony is allegedly looking to punt the fabs off to Toshiba, which will then become the manufacturing parter for the PS3's Cell chips. The chips themselves are notoriously complicated to make, and have been one culprit in the PS3's late availability and high price.

http://theinquirer.net/?article=42383

[sfu_lifer]

In a bid to streamline its business and get rid of some assets to free up some valuable cash, Sony is allegedly looking to punt the fabs off to Toshiba, which will then become the manufacturing parter for the PS3's Cell chips. The chips themselves are notoriously complicated to make, and have been one culprit in the PS3's late availability and high price.

http://theinquirer.net/?article=42383

Myth. There's no way they're gonna sell to Toshiba (main backer of HD-DVD).

[CFRTim]

Myth. There's no way they're gonna sell to Toshiba (main backer of HD-DVD).

I was thinking the same thing. But I thought the Cell was developed by IBM/SONY/TOSHIBA. Plus I see this "myth" all over the news:

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/markets/headline_news/article.jsp?content=b091504A
http://www.addict3d.org/news/199589/Sony+to+sell+Cell.html
http://www.publictechnology.net/technews/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=63565
http://technocrat.net/d/2007/9/15/26933
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2183646,00.asp
http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/15/sony-plans-to-sell-ps3-chip-production-facilities-to-toshiba/

[maebach]

finally got my ps3 up and running and got Ridge Racer 7. But it seems to freeze the ps3 randomly while playing or in the menus. anyone else having this problem with RR7? seems to only be happening in this game at the moment, motorstorm seems fine. Ps3 is upto date as well.

is the ps3 in an enclosed space? disc error? try replacing it with a new disc. or borrow another copy of RR7 and see what happens

[maebach]

I was thinking the same thing. But I thought the Cell was developed by IBM/SONY/TOSHIBA. Plus I see this "myth" all over the news:

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/markets/headline_news/article.jsp?content=b091504A
http://www.addict3d.org/news/199589/Sony+to+sell+Cell.html
http://www.publictechnology.net/technews/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=63565
http://technocrat.net/d/2007/9/15/26933
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2183646,00.asp
http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/15/sony-plans-to-sell-ps3-chip-production-facilities-to-toshiba/

I agree with you for sure. All those sites cannot by lieing. This would be a good move on both toshiba and sony's part. sony gets some extra cash (which they can use right now), and toshiba has technology in both blu ray and hd-dvd. For some reason, Im thinking toshiba might bring out a platform after all of their strategic partnering. Im probably wrong, but its still fun to think of it.

[rahzel]

played the RR7 demo with no problems. my ps3 has only froze twice since i bought it too (january).


in a 1up podcast, they say that the Dual Shock 3 controller will be revealed at TGS and that GT5 will support it.

[sfu_lifer]

played the RR7 demo with no problems. my ps3 has only froze twice since i bought it too (january).


in a 1up podcast, they say that the Dual Shock 3 controller will be revealed at TGS and that GT5 will support it.
I'm crossing my fingers they will release patches for the older games to support Rumble (esp Motorstorm and Resistance).

[CFRTim]

I agree with you for sure. All those sites cannot by lieing. This would be a good move on both toshiba and sony's part. sony gets some extra cash (which they can use right now), and toshiba has technology in both blu ray and hd-dvd. For some reason, Im thinking toshiba might bring out a platform after all of their strategic partnering. Im probably wrong, but its still fun to think of it.

Before you know it, Toshiba will have an HD-DVD add-on for the PS3 :D But honestly, SONY needs to do something to recover some of its losses. I think this is a good move, and maybe something positive (for the consumers part) would come out of it down the road

[icecold2021]

Im thinking toshiba might bring out a platform after all of their strategic partnering. Im probably wrong, but its still fun to think of it.

i personally think its too late in the game for a new competitor to try to join the ranks(successfully.) whatever happened to the rumors of apple releasing a system?

[CFRTim]

... whatever happened to the rumors of apple releasing a system?

Same thing that happened to The Phantom game system:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phantom_%28game_system%29
You need to have BIG pockets to make it in this business. Apple has its own "fan-base", but it's not big enaugh to subsidize the losses they would encounter in the beginning

[Calmuser]

is the ps3 in an enclosed space? disc error? try replacing it with a new disc. or borrow another copy of RR7 and see what happens

nope ps3 is in a wide open space!

disc looks fine, just all of a sudden freezes. music keeps on repeating itself as well.

[PCDawg]

EB cancelled my CE order due to some law involving the movie that was included,so no ps3 CE stranglehold will be released in canada.:mad:

No wonder why i cant seem to find the CE edition anywhere and the shops dont know what im talking about.

I guess i have to get it from the US....

[bmaz]

Before you know it, Toshiba will have an HD-DVD add-on for the PS3 :D But honestly, SONY needs to do something to recover some of its losses. I think this is a good move, and maybe something positive (for the consumers part) would come out of it down the road
Toshiba plans to use Cell in future TVs, that was also all over the news.

[amicus]

EB cancelled my CE order due to some law involving the movie that was included,so no ps3 CE stranglehold will be released in canada.:mad:

argh..... anyone know a good place to import?

[rahzel]

argh..... anyone know a good place to import?
ebay.

[Sgt_Strider]

Myth. There's no way they're gonna sell to Toshiba (main backer of HD-DVD).

How is this related to the format war between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD? First the cell processor is not even present in any of the current blu-ray players with the exception of the PS3. Second, even if Toshiba owned the factory, it doesn't necessarily mean that they will do something to harm Sony and outmaneuver them to win the format war.

[sfu_lifer]

How is this related to the format war between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD? First the cell processor is not even present in any of the current blu-ray players with the exception of the PS3. Second, even if Toshiba owned the factory, it doesn't necessarily mean that they will do something to harm Sony and outmaneuver them to win the format war.
What's the best selling blu-ray player out there? Hmm, I think that would be the PS3.
It may not necessarily mean they'll kill the PS3 but I wouldn't put it past them to give Sony a hard time :D
But then again, Sony needs the money and hey if this helps the PS3 in any way to get more affordable, I'm all for it.
Oh and as for importing, play-asia has been good to me.

[Sgt_Strider]

What's the best selling blu-ray player out there? Hmm, I think that would be the PS3.
It may not necessarily mean they'll kill the PS3 but I wouldn't put it past them to give Sony a hard time :D
But then again, Sony needs the money and hey if this helps the PS3 in any way to get more affordable, I'm all for it.
Oh and as for importing, play-asia has been good to me.

Toshiba helped contribute to the development to the Cell processor. It would seem odd if they don't want the processor to succeed as well. It makes absolutely no sense why Toshiba would give Sony a hard time on this. Relationships in business are very complex. In the case of the Cell processor, both Toshiba and Sony have invested considerable resources on the subject and therefore it would be in their interest for the project to succeed.

Now if Sony were to sell the factory that makes blu-ray drives to Toshiba then that would be a different story.

[sfu_lifer]

Hey How many of you are looking forward to Tekken 6 and playing as Bob.
Looks like he did a #2 :lol: :
http://www.the-magicbox.com/0709/bob5.jpg

[CFRTim]

Recent rumours have been circulating ever since a podcast done by the fellows over at 1-Up which states that Sony will be unveiling a new version of the PS3 controller at the upcoming Tokyo Game Show - a controller complete with Dual Shock.

As ususal, it's not official until SONY says so :cheesygri

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/09/18/sony_confirms_new_dual_shock_controller/1

http://www.1up.com/do/minisite?cId=3149993

[PCDawg]

Hey How many of you are looking forward to Tekken 6 and playing as Bob.
Looks like he did a #2 :lol: :
http://www.the-magicbox.com/0709/bob5.jpg

Pic doesnt work. Cant wait til tekken 6 comes out!

[Majinvegeta]

There is also rumors of FF7 remake rising again. I am sure they will remake FF7, but when? thats a wait and see thing. However, there are rumors pointing to a remake announcement at TGS, which is possible.

http://ps3.qj.net/Square-Enix-to-reveal-Endless-Crisis-FFVII-others-at-TGS-07-/pg/49/aid/102703

* Endless Crisis: Final Fantasy VII (PlayStation 3)
* Final Fantasy XIII (PlayStation 3)
* Final Fantasy Versus XIII (PlayStation 3)
* Kingdom Hearts (temporary title) (PlayStation 3)
* Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories 2 (Nintendo DS)
* Kingdom Hearts 0 (PSP)
* Star Ocean 4 (PlayStation 3)

These are the games rumored to be shown at TGS. Great list, one can only hope the Endless Crisis is legit and is the FF7 remake.

Also if you look at the map of all the different companies taking part at TGS, Square Enix has a Final Fantasy Special Exhibition. That just makes this rumor even more realistic

Also someone came up with a interesting theory:

AC - Advent Children
BC - Before Crisis
CC - Crisis Core
DC - Dirge of Cerebus
EC - End of Crisis or Endless Crisis

I am pretty sure Sony is going to have an amazing TGS! can't wait to find out more.

[CFRTim]

I am looking forward to rumble controller and another price drop. I was never a big fan of the FF series. BTW, are game developers going the Hollywood way with remakes and sequels; all out of original ideas?

[Majinvegeta]

I am looking forward to rumble controller and another price drop. I was never a big fan of the FF series. BTW, are game developers going the Hollywood way with remakes and sequels; all out of original ideas?

Hell no.

Final Fantasy is still the best RPG series in the world. They always have something new with the next release. FF12 had an awesome battle system and I just liked how the whole story went, the characters, the music. For once in a RPG I always wanted to fight monsters to level up to get something new, like weapons, armor, or special abilities like the uber BUBBLE! Final fantasy is my favorite series. They always innovate and make a new battle system, story, characters for their next game. Thats why they are still here with over 15 different FF titles. A few somewhat failed (X-2,XI), many prevailed (FF7,8,10,12).

My opinion, but I still love Final Fantasy series. Maybe other games are heading hollywood way, but not Final Fantasy, not yet. Yes they do make remakes, I guess after their losses they need to recoup fast. Like that silly spirits within movie lol.

[CFRTim]

:arrowu:
I wish I knew what you’re talking about, but in my entire gaming life (from Atari and up), I’ve only played about 15 min of FF (I think it was FF XII on the PS2), and no other rpg. Judging by the amount of people that like and praise these kinds of games, they must be good, but I still can't get into them.

[Majinvegeta]

:arrowu:
I wish I knew what you’re talking about, but in my entire gaming life (from Atari and up), I’ve only played about 15 min of FF (I think it was FF XII on the PS2), and no other rpg. Judging by the amount of people that like and praise these kinds of games, they must be good, but I still can't get into them.

Yea I understand your feeling. I have the same kinda feeling with Bioshock and games like Rogue Galaxy and even big movies like Star wars and stuff. They get praise, but don't interest me :/.

[rahzel]

:arrowu:
I wish I knew what you’re talking about, but in my entire gaming life (from Atari and up), I’ve only played about 15 min of FF (I think it was FF XII on the PS2), and no other rpg. Judging by the amount of people that like and praise these kinds of games, they must be good, but I still can't get into them.
same here... i'm not an RPG fan at all, but the FF series are probably the most popular.

[sfu_lifer]

Pic doesnt work. Cant wait til tekken 6 comes out!
Darn the anti-leech tech :lol:
Here it is again (hopefully):
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd285/sfulifer/bob5.jpg

I love the Final Fantasy series. Shame I haven't had time to play FFXII beyond the first 3 hours. I'll get around to it eventually, playing it upscaled and smoothed on PS3 is pretty darned nice. Oh and as for Final Fantasy, the story has typically not been a continuation until FFX-II came out. Prior to that almost nothing was carried over from game to game outside of Sid/Chocobos/Summons/Materia/General items.

[CFRTim]

:arrowu:
Is that Fat Bastard from Austin Powers

[rahzel]

two new vids of uncharted at Gametrailers (http://www.gametrailers.com/game/2654.html).

[Majinvegeta]

Got some new information for you guys, I think FF7 remake is official :D...almost.


Is a Final Fantasy VII remake for the PlayStation 3 actually coming? There's a huge possibility it is according to today's Famitsu issue. It's not an exact quote, but Famitsu says "A third party game that will save the PlayStation 3 in Japan is to be announced tomorrow".

http://www.forever-fantasy.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=616&mode=&order=0&thold=0

So if Famitsu really said that, it would have to be Final Fantasy 7. This game is so well respected and loved in Japan, it would make people go crazy and steal all the thunder.

So this matches with the Final Fantasy 7: Endless Crisis thing that I posted earlier. So the puzzle is coming together nicely. TGS starts today at 6:30PM PST. So since Famitsu is Japanese and states that it will be announced tomorrow, that means that the announcement will be made today 6:30pm PST during the TGS.

[rahzel]

rumble pretty much confirmed (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/821/821010p1.html)


Big shocker at today's Electronic Arts pre Tokyo Game Show press event. While playing a demo of Burnout Paradise, we felt something that we never thought we'd feel from a PS3 controller -- shake!

That's right, Burnout Paradise is the first rumble-equipped PS3 game we've ever played. Which made us think at the time, if the game is making the controller shake, the controller must be a new version of the Sixaxis!

In fact, the controller we were using to play the demo looked exactly like a standard Sixaxis, except that it had a sticker on the bottom that said "RUMBLE." It also felt notably heavier than the standard Sixaxis.

We presume this is a prototype of the PlayStation 3's new rumble controller, whatever it's going to be called.

The rumble itself felt around the level of PlayStation 2 rumble. We're not sure just yet if Sony is using any of that next generation technology Immersion has been talking about for the past few months.

A formal announcement is expected tomorrow at Kaz Hirai's keynote address.

[Majinvegeta]

that was an obvious, thanks Rahzel for the confirmation from IGN.

[CFRTim]

I am not trying to start anything, so take this with a BIG grain of salt:


As the PS3 fails to win hearts and minds, some pundits are saying that Sony wants to bottle out of the console market which is costing it an arm and a leg. The Nikkei Financial Daily reported that Sony is planning to sell off the manufacturing lines that make the Cell processor to Toshiba. However this was somewhat denied by Sony which instead made the cryptic remark that "no deal has been decided" : http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jIr5omsUPSuJSmbiI53bqtwLkV6g

Obviously the talks are still on going, but the implication is fairly clear when you consider that Sony had already decided not to invest in so much research and development on finding a replacement for the the Cell. One has to wonder what, if anything, Sony is planning to stick under the bonnet of a PS4. Most observers would say that if you are in competition with the likes of Nintendo and Microsoft the last think you try to do is cut back on R&D, unless you are planning to pull out of the market.

http://www.hdgamenews.com/2007/09/playstation-4-is-sony-quietly-exiting.html

http://theinquirer.net/?article=42461

[Majinvegeta]

I am not trying to start anything, so take this with a BIG grain of salt:


As the PS3 fails to win hearts and minds, some pundits are saying that Sony wants to bottle out of the console market which is costing it an arm and a leg. The Nikkei Financial Daily reported that Sony is planning to sell off the manufacturing lines that make the Cell processor to Toshiba. However this was somewhat denied by Sony which instead made the cryptic remark that "no deal has been decided" : http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jIr5omsUPSuJSmbiI53bqtwLkV6g

Obviously the talks are still on going, but the implication is fairly clear when you consider that Sony had already decided not to invest in so much research and development on finding a replacement for the the Cell. One has to wonder what, if anything, Sony is planning to stick under the bonnet of a PS4. Most observers would say that if you are in competition with the likes of Nintendo and Microsoft the last think you try to do is cut back on R&D, unless you are planning to pull out of the market.

http://www.hdgamenews.com/2007/09/playstation-4-is-sony-quietly-exiting.html

http://theinquirer.net/?article=42461

"THE MAKER OF exploding batteries"

That just lost my whole credibility to that article. The inquirer can go lick balls.

How about Microsoft the maker of junky consoles that break down within an year? why don't we start with that when we talk about Microsoft. Or Microsoft the company behind the BSOD. Anyone who likes to start off with a irrelevant negative comment about a company is obviously going to downlplay it.

Just because Sony is planning on selling CELL technology to Toshiba does not mean its stopping production of PS3 or not making PS4, hell no. Selling the technology will help Sony save money. Those factories cost money to run and the CELL processor is something that has cost them a lot of money, and can be used in other areas. So, Sony might be selling it to Toshiba so that Toshiba can use it in other products, like camera's and what not to help with future development.

So I don't see this as negative at all, this in no way means that PS3 is going down. By selling it off, Sony will recoup from losses and it will probably be cheaper for them to just buy those Cell processors from Toshiba. Because making your own means using factories and costs to keep them running and what not.

[CFRTim]

Microsoft, aka the Vole, but this is not about them or Nintendo. However, the original article is from HD Game News, the Inquirer only put their typical spin on it (I like my news with some sarcasm). I think the focus is more on the lack of R&D from SONY. Anyway, will see what happens, it's just some stupid rumors, nothing more, no need to get over-excited like I said.

[sfu_lifer]

Microsoft, aka the Vole, but this is not about them or Nintendo. However, the original article is from HD Game News, the Inquirer only put their typical spin on it (I like my news with some sarcasm). I think the focus is more on the lack of R&D from SONY. Anyway, will see what happens, it's just some stupid rumors, nothing more, no need to get over-excited like I said.

Haha. Inquirer and "news." What a combo.
If the Inquirer ever published in print, all it'll be good for is fishwrap :D

[sfu_lifer]

rumble pretty much confirmed (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/821/821010p1.html)

FRAKIN' FINALLY. I can go buy 2 more controllers once this is out. I still have just the one since I've been waiting for the rumble version to come out. The suxasses is way too light at the moment.

[rdtx2002]

Sony dropped plans on Ps3 after about 1-2 years after the launch of the Ps2. Hardly anything surprising.

[CFRTim]

Haha. Inquirer and "news." What a combo.
If the Inquirer ever published in print, all it'll be good for is fishwrap :D

Like many publications, some stories published by The Inquirer cause controversy. You might want to read what Wikipedia has to say about them :cheesygri

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inquirer

The publication has various connections with the industry; Intel in particular has acknowledged that its staff have a tendency to send details of meetings to The Inquirer. Many renowned publications, such as The New York Times, reprinted The Inquirer on many occasions.

Anyway, I take everything I read on the internet with a grain of salt

[skule123]

You might want to read what Wikipedia has to say about them :cheesygri

Anyway, I take everything I read on the internet with a grain of salt

The juxtaposition of these two statements is beautiful.

[CFRTim]

Like I said, I am not trying to start anything, so here is a more logical approach to the situation by Business Week:

By letting Toshiba make the game console's chip, Sony can focus on core operations—and boosting PlayStation sales

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/sep2007/gb20070919_615854.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index _global+business

[CFRTim]

You might want to read what Wikipedia has to say about them :cheesygri

Anyway, I take everything I read on the internet with a grain of salt


The juxtaposition of these two statements is beautiful.

And that includes your post as well :D

[dekcuftogu]

Maybe this is old news, but what is the meaning of this. Did you guys get your guide?

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/09/07/sony-sends-out-lair-reviewers-guide-must-not-laugh/


The fact that Sony and Factor 5 had to send out a packet telling reviewers how to play the game a week after the fact is so painfully tragic that it's funny.

[sfu_lifer]

Maybe this is old news, but what is the meaning of this. Did you guys get your guide?

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/09/07/sony-sends-out-lair-reviewers-guide-must-not-laugh/


The fact that Sony and Factor 5 had to send out a packet telling reviewers how to play the game a week after the fact is so painfully tragic that it's funny.

Very very old news. They sent this to game reviewers only (esp those that show up in Metacritic and Gamerankings). This is standard practice apparently but Sony went over the top in this case.
I thought I saw a video too on PSN on how to properly control Lair.

[Majinvegeta]

Very very old news. They sent this to game reviewers only (esp those that show up in Metacritic and Gamerankings). This is standard practice apparently but Sony went over the top in this case.
I thought I saw a video too on PSN on how to properly control Lair.

Yea,

I am glad Sony sent em that, because you know, some people are so dumb they don't know how to use a motion controller. You are controlling a character on a freaking huge ass dragon, of course its not going to give you immediate response. Oh well, thats behind us.

Just 1h 30 minutes more and TGS begins. Can't wait for news on FF7 remake...I will be shocked if they don't announce it.

[sfu_lifer]

Yea,

I am glad Sony sent em that, because you know, some people are so dumb they don't know how to use a motion controller. You are controlling a character on a freaking huge ass dragon, of course its not going to give you immediate response. Oh well, thats behind us.

Just 1h 30 minutes more and TGS begins. Can't wait for news on FF7 remake...I will be shocked if they don't announce it.
I hope that was sarcasm. Anyhow, y'know if it's practically the exact same game except the backgrounds are in real time and the characters are beefed up a bit looks-wise, I definitely would be let down. Now if they lengthen the story a bit (start earlier or end later as well as some sidequests while keeping the same materia system intact), I'm all for that. It does help playing it all off one UMD and not having to swap discs :)

[Majinvegeta]

I hope that was sarcasm. Anyhow, y'know if it's practically the exact same game except the backgrounds are in real time and the characters are beefed up a bit looks-wise, I definitely would be let down. Now if they lengthen the story a bit (start earlier or end later as well as some sidequests while keeping the same materia system intact), I'm all for that. It does help playing it all off one UMD and not having to swap discs :)

You mean Blu-Ray? :P the remake would be for PS3 not PSP.

But yea, it'll definitely look awesome, the graphics will be a big change. I am sure they will work towards making it as close as possible to Advent Children. As for the rest, I am sure they will add something to it...oh well, 9 more minutes till TGS.

We will find out then what happens...May God help make FF7 remake a reality!!! :D

[rdtx2002]

6:40 p.m. -- Going forward, we would like to furhter reduce cost of the PSP so that we can improve portability. He's recapping the release of the PSPLite, which is available today. Now, recapping the Crisis Core pack, which I'm going to sell on ebay for 500 dollars. 77,777 units were released for the Crisis Core pack -- they sold out within hours.

[rdtx2002]

7:06 p.m. -- We have not made any changes to its outward appearance or design, but it does have vibration function which is added to the six axis feature. The controller will launch in November in Japan. America and Europe will get it in spring 2008!


7:05 p.m. -- "At the beginning we thought it woud be difficult to have the six axis and vibration function in a single controller. However, we have been able to overcome this difficulty, and today we can announce the Dual Shock 3 controller."

7:04 p.m. -- Today, I would like to show you one fruit of such an endeavor on our part to listen to the voice of our users. Dual Shock 3!

[rdtx2002]

7:09 p.m. -- 2.7 million PSN accounts. One exciting announcement to make. Talking about GT5 Prologue release date -- we already have a story about this.

7:08 p.m. -- There was very little time for the 3rd parties to be able to incorporate the rumble into games in time for TGS. However, Sony is very pleased that so many games ended up with it. Some games will be updated for Dual Shock. They showed a huge list of compatible games, but I couldn't get it down. Now, network.

7:07 p.m. -- Imabikisou, Dynasty Warriors 6 G1 Jockey 4, MGS4, Devil May Cry 4, Ratchet and Clank Future, uncharted, echochorme, Toy Home -- All these nine titles use the rumble (Toy Home is from SCEE btw). Metal Gear Online will also support the rumble.

[sfu_lifer]

Well and I thought Microsoft's pre-TGS conference blew. This reeks of poop.
I was expecting tons of big new software announcements and a pricedrop as well as Dual Shock/SixAxis 2 and at least the controller made it but not till next year. Even Home is delayed. Oh well, hopefully I can get into the beta and find out what the hoopla's all about.
One great thing that was kind of glossed over was the ability of Remote Play to turn on/off the PS3. That is HUGE to me. I don't like leaving my PS3 on while downloading. This way I can watch movies on the go.

[rahzel]

they wouldn't announce a price drop unless it would take affect immediately or at least soon. when asked if there will be a price drop this year, Sony replied "its possible".

i think there will be more announcements throughout the event.

[AlphaTwo]

7:07 p.m. -- Imabikisou, Dynasty Warriors 6 G1 Jockey 4, MGS4, Devil May Cry 4, Ratchet and Clank Future, uncharted, echochorme, Toy Home -- All these nine titles use the rumble (Toy Home is from SCEE btw). Metal Gear Online will also support the rumble.Interseting that Ratchet and Clank will support it, at least a full 3 months before the controller officially comes to North America.

[CFRTim]

Well and I thought Microsoft's pre-TGS conference blew. This reeks of poop.
I was expecting tons of big new software announcements and a pricedrop as well as Dual Shock/SixAxis 2 and at least the controller made it but not till next year. Even Home is delayed. Oh well, hopefully I can get into the beta and find out what the hoopla's all about.
One great thing that was kind of glossed over was the ability of Remote Play to turn on/off the PS3. That is HUGE to me. I don't like leaving my PS3 on while downloading. This way I can watch movies on the go.

+1 It's good to see rumble is back, but being so last generation and not next-gen, this should be more of a step-back for some SONY executives (take note Phil Harrison). Anyway, this is about as exciting as the pink XBOX 360 controller


they wouldn't announce a price drop unless it would take affect immediately or at least soon. when asked if there will be a price drop this year, Sony replied "its possible".
i think there will be more announcements throughout the event.


I thought a price drop would have been a good way to combat the HALO 3 momentum in some way or another.(I guess over 1mil. of pre-orders is nothing for SONY to worry about :confused: )

[Sgt_Strider]

Is anyone surprised that a cheaper PS3 wasn't announced? I was really hoping that USD$399 PS3 would be announced. It would be great if no HD was bundled because I'm going to go out and buy a larger capacity HD to put in there any ways.

[AlphaTwo]

http://i17.tinypic.com/67nsghg.jpg
http://i19.tinypic.com/4msli4m.jpg

[CFRTim]

Is anyone surprised that a cheaper PS3 wasn't announced? I was really hoping that USD$399 PS3 would be announced. It would be great if no HD was bundled because I'm going to go out and buy a larger capacity HD to put in there any ways.


I was thinking the same thing, but many people in here think that’s not a good idea


I wish they put out a "basic" model with no HDD, no EE ( I don’t care about PS2 games), no useless SD cables no crap at $299.

[Majinvegeta]

I think they will release the 40GB information later. TGS isn't over.

I read an article earlier before TGS about Sony's showing. They would have 50 games being shown off, 4 of which are unknown and would be announced at TGS. This has yet to happen, so there are still rumors that could be valid. Its going to take a while.

So far no info on FF7 remake either, although IGN has already gotten a chance to view the FF13 and VS13 trailer. I still wonder what the hell that FF7 Special Exhibition thing is for...seriously its really going to shock me if they don't announce a FF7 remake.

[marcopolo85]

Sony is obviously not gonna announce a price drop till it actually happens cuz if they announce it now, no one will buy the console till the reduced price takes into effect.

[rahzel]

found this kind of interesting (http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3162991)... from the MGS4 preview at 1up.

We did enjoy the various rumble effects employed by the new Dual Shock 3 controller, though: As explosions rattled around Snake, we could actually feel the direction from which they were coming based on what part of the controller virbated.

edit: they also released a list of the games that will support rumble via software update here (http://www.jp.playstation.com/info/release/nr_20070920_dualshock3.html).

[rdtx2002]

Is anyone surprised that a cheaper PS3 wasn't announced? I was really hoping that USD$399 PS3 would be announced. It would be great if no HD was bundled because I'm going to go out and buy a larger capacity HD to put in there any ways.

why announce where there are no immediate plans to drop the price?

[rdtx2002]

I was thinking the same thing, but many people in here think that’s not a good idea

your idea was a stupid one imo.

[PCDawg]

alphatwo, when you posted those pics, i was wondering why r u posting up real car pics. ONly then did i realize it was from GT5 LOL

Wow....the 1st pic looks so realistic!! The bend and creases on the bumper wrap.

Mighty good lin-up of games coming up in the future for the PS3. Once the good games atart pouring in, so does sales of the systems

[sfu_lifer]

why announce where there are no immediate plans to drop the price?

With Halo 3 coming out, I was expecting something of this magnitude to help kill 360 sales (i.e. immediate pricedrop). I guess Sony's holding off or they can't afford one right now.

[rdtx2002]

With Halo 3 coming out, I was expecting something of this magnitude to help kill 360 sales (i.e. immediate pricedrop). I guess Sony's holding off or they can't afford one right now.

i would leave the price drop for Black Friday rather than Halo3. Halo3 fans will buy it regardless whether or not Sony drops the price on the Ps3.

[GunnerX]

SONY has admitted defeat for this year. There's nothing else they can do. They are now focusing all their effort for 2008. So don't expect anything big this year. This is clear from the TGS show where everything has been delayed until next year.

[rahzel]

SONY has admitted defeat for this year. There's nothing else they can do. They are now focusing all their effort for 2008. So don't expect anything big this year. This is clear from the TGS show where everything has been delayed until next year.
its true 2007 is MS' year (over Sony anyway) and i agree Sony is hoping for a good 2008 (and i think they will have a strong 2008) but they need another pricedrop before the holidays to stop the bleeding for 2007. i still think they will announce it soon, there are still a few days of TGS left.

some new videos up on GT showing new gameplay elements of R&C (http://www.gametrailers.com/game/4572.html). looks fun!

[jeffyjaixx]

Sony is doing what MS is doing. Focusing more on the 2nd year since launch than the 1st. The question is whether it's too late or not. IMO, it seems like there's still plenty of time left to determine a winner.

[PCDawg]

Sony is doing what MS is doing. Focusing more on the 2nd year since launch than the 1st. The question is whether it's too late or not. IMO, it seems like there's still plenty of time left to determine a winner.

there's still lots of time.

Plenty of games everyone is looking forward to for the PS3.

Tekken 6, Devil May Cry 4, GT5, Metal Gear, more from FF series.

[CFRTim]

your idea was a stupid one imo.

The idea was to come up with another price drop, one way or another (maybe a no frills edition). Will see what happens around the US thanksgiving

[sfu_lifer]

Sony is doing what MS is doing. Focusing more on the 2nd year since launch than the 1st. The question is whether it's too late or not. IMO, it seems like there's still plenty of time left to determine a winner.
I don't think MS did that. Their launch was pretty idiot-proof since they had no competition at the time other than Sony's FUD campaign but no question they were focused on getting hardware units out as well as software within the first 6 months. Their one major mistake (other than cheaping out on the cooling solution) was to do a global launch. The Japanese launch was botched from the get-go.
Shane Kim also has done a very poor job managing the internal units within MS which ensures Sony will have the best internal 1st party exclusives this gen (eventually). So PS3 has a bit of time left but they're playing major catchup if they don't drop the price this year. 360 is catchable, not so sure about Wii.

[rahzel]

skate, stuntman, sega rally and nba 08 demos on psn.

[ATLien69]

The SEGA RALLY REVO demo is AWESOME! Reminds me of playing the original on the good 'ole saturn...it was my fav. game at the time... I love how they kept the old school samples "Game Over YEAAAHHHH"...lol....or the "Hard Left, MAYBE?!?!" Lol I always laughed at the "maybe"....the graphics and mud are awesome effects...sounds like the original navigator voice too...

[CFRTim]

Nah, SEGA RALLY REVO has too much of an arcade feeling, not sure it has enaugh replay value

[rahzel]

Nah, SEGA RALLY REVO has too much of an arcade feeling, not sure it has enaugh replay value
agreed, i thought DiRT looked and played better and that was even too "arcadey" for me. i think MotorStorm is the best arcade rally racer out right now imo.

[masterhapposai]

its true 2007 is MS' year (over Sony anyway) and i agree Sony is hoping for a good 2008 (and i think they will have a strong 2008) but they need another pricedrop before the holidays to stop the bleeding for 2007. i still think they will announce it soon, there are still a few days of TGS left.

some new videos up on GT showing new gameplay elements (http://www.gametrailers.com/game/4572.html). looks fun!

the best price is right now in my opinion

Can actually play PS2 games(this is valued at least $100-200 to me, since PS2 looks like crap on a good HDTV). Get -$50 discount from futureshop if you apply the coupon and buy something. And you get 5 blu ray movies for free, which is probably worth tons for trade in value.

[sfu_lifer]

agreed, i thought DiRT looked and played better and that was even too "arcadey" for me. i think MotorStorm is the best arcade rally racer out right now imo.
Agree with you there. Hope they keep updating it with new tracks and content.

[ATLien69]

SEGA RALLY RULEZ! lol... ok its not a game I would buy (rental), but I've had a soft spot for the sega rally series. It's what made me fall in love with the WRC back during the saturn days. Which eventually led me to purchasing an Impreza! :cheesygri



Nah, SEGA RALLY REVO has too much of an arcade feeling, not sure it has enaugh replay value

[sfu_lifer]

SEGA RALLY RULEZ! lol... ok its not a game I would buy (rental), but I've had a soft spot for the sega rally series. It's what made me fall in love with the WRC back during the saturn days. Which eventually led me to purchasing an Impreza! :cheesygri
Hey a fellow Saturn owner. My Saturn system is still going strong :D
I used to love the Sega Rally series but this new one has a totally different feel and just feels "off". I love the ground deformation but that's pretty much it.

Anyone buying the Eye of Judgment? It's actually not bad at $69.99US (sigh I wish parity would come with our videogame pricing too) and it comes with everything including a starter pack and the mat with the camera stand. I'll buy it just for the improved Eyetoy camera with mic.

[AlphaTwo]

GT5 Prologue priced: ¥4,980 on Blu-ray and ¥4,500 download


Tucked away, quietly, within the pages of Sony's TGS press catalog, is the final pricing for the Japanese release of Gran Turismo 5 Prologue. Now scheduled for December 13 (as indicated by Famitsu earlier this week) the game is listed as ¥4,980 ($43.10) on Blu-ray and ¥4,500 ($38.95) for the downloadable variant. Though the game features many of the functions of the full product – scheduled for a 2008 release – it's still considered to be a sampling, intended to "keep people aware [Polyphony Digital is] still around" (as told to us by the game's designer, Kazunori Yamauchi). We're not sure if this price will extend to the European and North American releases of GT5 Prologue, but we've asked Sony for clarification.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/09/21/gt5-prologue-priced-4-980-on-blu-ray-and-4-500-download/
Ouch.

[CFRTim]

I was right, no surprise here. Lets see if they start charging for additional stuff down the road as well( cars, tracks, ...)

[zerocool24]

If it were 10 bucks id buy it, but no way am i gonna pay 40+ now and then another 60 later for the actual game.

[sfu_lifer]

If it were 10 bucks id buy it, but no way am i gonna pay 40+ now and then another 60 later for the actual game.
Here's to gamesharing ;)

[zerocool24]

Here's to gamesharing ;)

not if its like warhawk.

[sfu_lifer]

not if its like warhawk.
Exactly. For a glorified demo, I would hope Sony wouldn't be so heavy handed.
'Cos that would seriously cheeze off a lot of users out there. Might as well wait a few more months for the full deal rather than 1/4 of the content early at 2/3 the price (assuming) unless of course there is another delay of the full release which would seriously suck.

[CFRTim]

Exactly. For a glorified demo, I would hope Sony wouldn't be so heavy handed.
'Cos that would seriously cheeze off a lot of users out there. Might as well wait a few more months for the full deal rather than 1/4 of the content early at 2/3 the price (assuming) unless of course there is another delay of the full release which would seriously suck.


A GT series delayed? Now that would be a shocker :-0

[Brownbear]

Hey a fellow Saturn owner. My Saturn system is still going strong :D
I used to love the Sega Rally series but this new one has a totally different feel and just feels "off". I love the ground deformation but that's pretty much it.



I agree, i had it on PSP (a prerelease) and thought that the controls were very slippery. I assumed that it was just the controller that was the problem (thus making the controls slippery like that), but it seems the same in the 360/PS3 version... Just too slidey, felt like i was driving on ice or something... I liked how dirt felt, how you could 'feel' it when you're accelerating in a direction (i love it when in a hairpin, and you throw your car, then when its facing the proper place, you floor it and feel it pulling you out of a ditch). Problem is that with the ps3 version, you have to use the ps3 controller :D.. (maybe im just too used to the 360, but the 360 is ultimate comfort)

[BD006]

Good grief, after playing the NBA Live 08 demo, playing NBA 08 was atrocious. In an 8 minute game, there must have been 10+ blocks and 10+ steals, and I could never get around anyone.

Now I know why everyone rags on Sony's NBA series.

[tokajim]

Good grief, after playing the NBA Live 08 demo, playing NBA 08 was atrocious. In an 8 minute game, there must have been 10+ blocks and 10+ steals, and I could never get around anyone.

Now I know why everyone rags on Sony's NBA series.

hold out for 2k8, it usually makes the live version feel rather subpar.

[sfu_lifer]

I agree, i had it on PSP (a prerelease) and thought that the controls were very slippery. I assumed that it was just the controller that was the problem (thus making the controls slippery like that), but it seems the same in the 360/PS3 version... Just too slidey, felt like i was driving on ice or something... I liked how dirt felt, how you could 'feel' it when you're accelerating in a direction (i love it when in a hairpin, and you throw your car, then when its facing the proper place, you floor it and feel it pulling you out of a ditch). Problem is that with the ps3 version, you have to use the ps3 controller :D.. (maybe im just too used to the 360, but the 360 is ultimate comfort)

I've never been a fan of the dualshocks and I do prefer the 360 controller but with racers, I will use the wheel if it's supported. Way easier to follow the lines and just more immersive. At least with the PS3 my MOMO wheel is usually supported. I hate the MS wheel.

[BD006]

hold out for 2k8, it usually makes the live version feel rather subpar.

Oh, I definitely will be.

I haven't played a 2K series basketball game since 2K2 on my Dreamcast, and I loved that game. After playing Live 03 and Live 06, I can't wait to go back to the 2K series. I was just comparing what's currently available on PSN. I wish they would release a 2K8 demo also, but the release date is coming up soon, so doubt they will at this point.

[nfnx]

damn man... nhl 08 is hard lol

i never played the 07 series and it is such mockery watching players online do crazy moves when i can barely get shots on net in crucial moments.

anyways in a few weeks lets start the online league

[sfu_lifer]

Dang. I feel like they ruined LocoRoco on the PSP.
What's up with that stupid butterfly :evil:

[amicus]

Dang. I feel like they ruined LocoRoco on the PSP.
What's up with that stupid butterfly :evil:

its an interactive screen saver.....

[ATLien69]

Yeah man! WTF is that!!! Atleast it was cheap! Nothing like LocoRoco on the psp...argh! Is it just me or would the sixaxis not be the perfect control for tilting the screen like in the psp???





Dang. I feel like they ruined LocoRoco on the PSP.
What's up with that stupid butterfly :evil:

[sfu_lifer]

its an interactive screen saver.....
What kind of screensaver takes a while to boot and is 245MB to download :D?
I guess I'm used to the Windows type. Good thing we all gameshared it or I'd be feeling ripped off.

Ya I was expecting something like the rubber-ducky game type of controls.

[johnq123]

07 series is by far the best/

[amicus]

What kind of screensaver takes a while to boot and is 245MB to download :D?
I guess I'm used to the Windows type. Good thing we all gameshared it or I'd be feeling ripped off.

Ya I was expecting something like the rubber-ducky game type of controls.

i wish u could make flow a screensaver. and let those thing move by themselves. and if u pick up the sixaxis u can take over.

[maebach]

Halo 3 review from an IGN reader:



Suck It PS3 Fanboys!!!

Say what you will, Halo 3 will be the next gen FPS that will be one of the best and most played for years to come. All you PS3 fanboys out there can only talk about whatever garbage that will be coming out on your overpriced blu ray player. Don't hate. Sell your PS3, get a 360 and join the revolution!!!

Now I know why I dont liek Halo, its not the game, its the players.

[HUH]

The last Prologue from the GT series (GT4P) was not free either, so I'm not suprised they are charging for GT5P

[rdtx2002]

The last Prologue from the GT series (GT4P) was not free either, so I'm not suprised they are charging for GT5P

at least this prologue will have some extra things to do instead of the last prologue where you just do license stuff all the time.

[GunnerX]

Now I know why I dont liek Halo, its not the game, its the players.

Sucks to be on the other side of the fence don't it?

[CFRTim]

Now I know why I dont liek Halo, its not the game, its the players.

"Don't hate the player, hate the game". You're going to pass judgment based on some fanboys remarks. :lol:

[maebach]

Sucks to be on the other side of the fence don't it?

I dont understand


"Don't hate the player, hate the game". You're going to pass judgment based on some fanboys remarks. :lol:

Ive never really liked the series either. So I guess in my case its, "Hate the player and the game". The first game was pretty good. The second was basically the same for me.There were minor improvements, but nothing great. Ive always thought the series was over-rated, and every once in a while some punks dance about how its the best game ever. Id rather play Mario on SNES

[dekcuftogu]

I dont understand



Ive never really liked the series either. So I guess in my case its, "Hate the player and the game". The first game was pretty good. The second was basically the same for me.There were minor improvements, but nothing great. Ive always thought the series was over-rated, and every once in a while some punks dance about how its the best game ever. Id rather play Mario on SNES

Why not just ignore it, why hate. Why did you even bring this up; I think I see where GunnerX was going with his post, the one you don't understand

[Ziggy007]

I always found Halo to be the most over-rated game of all time.

I played the original for XBox and thought meh. I tried it for PC thinking a mouse / keyboard would help the clumsy controls but still meh.

When I played Halo 2, even in co-op I thought it sucked.

With Halo 3 looking like just a flashier reincarnation of crappy games past, I give it a great big yawn.

[maebach]

I always found Halo to be the most over-rated game of all time.

I played the original for XBox and thought meh. I tried it for PC thinking a mouse / keyboard would help the clumsy controls but still meh.

When I played Halo 2, even in co-op I thought it sucked.

With Halo 3 looking like just a flashier reincarnation of crappy games past, I give it a great big yawn.

exactly.

[ashs]

some things i find over-rated are nintendo products and apple products. Ive had the wii and ipods, but now i make a point to stay away from both as there more gimmicky. I luv my ps3 and know hardware wise its the best system on the market , i also love the halo series and cant wait to play halo 3 tommorow. Hopefully the ps3 gets some more badass fps games (cause thats my favourite genre, resistance fall of man being my current favourite game). the 360's lineup should be praised, its turning out a lot of awesome games (mmm bioshock). The hardware however scares the crap outta me (as it can die anytime). hopefully sony releases more quality games, and microsoft fixes their overheating issues (which they havnt yet). if you guys wanna hate a system hate the wii, its not nex gen, its a glorified gamecube. I had it, invested a lot into it and it sucked. what sucked worse was the upcoming games for it.

[nfnx]

I always found Halo to be the most over-rated game of all time.

I played the original for XBox and thought meh. I tried it for PC thinking a mouse / keyboard would help the clumsy controls but still meh.

When I played Halo 2, even in co-op I thought it sucked.

With Halo 3 looking like just a flashier reincarnation of crappy games past, I give it a great big yawn.

i agree completely. just meh to me.

buttt.... i do see how it may appeal to many. in my eyes, it opened the doorway to FPS on consoles, or next gen consoles (ps2,xbox) at least.

just not my type...

great marketing too lol i want to buy a halo ultimate xbox 360 and i dont even like the game haha

[rahzel]

i honestly don't care for Halo either. if i did, i would have definitely bought a 360 over my PS3.

[sfu_lifer]

i honestly don't care for Halo either. if i did, i would have definitely bought a 360 over my PS3.

I remember when Xbox 1 first launched. I took one look at Halo and went: "meh, Dead or Alive is where it's at" :lol:

[rdtx2002]

I remember when Xbox 1 first launched. I took one look at Halo and went: "meh, Dead or Alive is where it's at" :lol:

2 things in the minds of North American gamers:

1. FPS games
2. how many ways to look at the rack of Kasumi et al.

:lol:

[joshmxpx]

2 things in the minds of North American gamers:

1. FPS games
2. how many ways to look at the rack of Kasumi et al.

:lol:

Isn't Dead or Alive a Japanese based game? Also, don't you guys in the PS3 forum have anything better to talk about than bashing Halo? :)

[sfu_lifer]

Isn't Dead or Alive a Japanese based game? Also, don't you guys in the PS3 forum have anything better to talk about than bashing Halo? :)
Yes it is. Made by Tecmo. It looked stunning back then which is why I was mainly interested in the title. I picked that up over Halo 1 since I wasn't a big fan of FPS'es. Picked up Halo later and discovered the pretty deep universe it was set in. Been a fan ever since. Graphically it looked pretty meh.

[CFRTim]

There sure is a lot of HALO 3 talk in the PS3 thread. :D

[sfu_lifer]

Haha. Xbots got dealt a major blow today, day after Halo.
Bizarre Creations (developer of PGR and Geometry Wars) got acquired by Activision yesterday. I can't believe MS let a AAA developer like that go.
This doesn't mean that PGR will come to PS3 since the name is owned by Microsoft BUT it does mean something similar using similar racing assets/gameplay will come to PS3 just like it did when Dreamcast's Metropolis Street Racer morphed into PGR.
Prolly means Geometry Wars will come to PSN sooner rather than later.
Great news for the PS3.
Based on upcoming software, it does seem like MS blew their wad so to speak quite early as exclusivity wise, they don't really have too many announced AAA exclusive titles left for 2008 and beyond.

[ashs]

There sure is a lot of HALO 3 talk in the PS3 thread. :D

gaming is gaming. if your allegiance is only to a particular brand then your just as brainwashed and narrow minded as a religious fanatic.

[joshmxpx]

Haha. Xbots got dealt a major blow today, day after Halo.
Bizarre Creations (developer of PGR and Geometry Wars) got acquired by Activision yesterday. I can't believe MS let a AAA developer like that go.
This doesn't mean that PGR will come to PS3 since the name is owned by Microsoft BUT it does mean something similar using similar racing assets/gameplay will come to PS3 just like it did when Dreamcast's Metropolis Street Racer morphed into PGR.
Prolly means Geometry Wars will come to PSN sooner rather than later.
Great news for the PS3.
Based on upcoming software, it does seem like MS blew their wad so to speak quite early as exclusivity wise, they don't really have too many announced AAA exclusive titles left for 2008 and beyond.

That;s too bad, PGR has brought in some good income for them and had the potential to create quite a few more sequels with exclusivity to MS.

[dekcuftogu]

Did Bizarre Creations make anything else beside PGR (and minigame Geometry Wars) for the XBOX360? PGR 5 may be multiplatform, but SONY don't care, not when you have Gran Turismo, plus the new acquisition of Evolution Studios (Motorstorm). Microsoft still has the option of trowing money at them for exclusivity, if that's what they want. But PGR will never be a Gran Turismo, or even Forza (despite collaborations with Turn10)

[GunnerX]

Yeah, SONY doesn't need anyone else with all the plethora of games continuously coming out for the PS3.

[sfu_lifer]

Did Bizarre Creations make anything else beside PGR (and minigame Geometry Wars) for the XBOX360? PGR 5 may be multiplatform, but SONY don't care, not when you have Gran Turismo, plus the new acquisition of Evolution Studios (Motorstorm). Microsoft still has the option of trowing money at them for exclusivity, if that's what they want. But PGR will never be a Gran Turismo, or even Forza (despite collaborations with Turn10)
PGR is done for the next few years. MS holds the rights to the name so it'll never go Sony or Nintendo. However, it takes YEARS to make games like PGR esp from scratch. That's why lots of the tracks are recycled year after year since they already have done the initial data collection.
Oh I'm sure Sony does care. PGR sold quite a bit for the 360 and has a pretty loyal following (half arcade/half sim combo). Sim racers can go Forza or GT but for the nice blend in-between, you have PGR's niche.
Bizarre's of course most well known for Geometry Wars and PGR/MSR but they also did F1 for the PS1 I believe. That was also lauded at the time. For a relatively small-ish indie studio, they've had quite the record.

[trixR4kids]

im excited for stranglehold, i loved the demo and im planning on picking up the collector's edition from the states :D Hopefully the reviews on ps3 will be better then the 360? It just sucks reading reviews and finding out multiplatform games are better on 360 :(

[rahzel]

looks like theres a good chance there will be a 40GB PS3 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=914401)


Yeah, SONY doesn't need anyone else with all the plethora of games continuously coming out for the PS3.
i catch your sarcasm. Sony could use a little more third-party support, but it does have the best first/second party support. they do have a lot of great games coming out, they're just taking a while to get here. really, Sony doesn't NEED Bizarre to make games for the PS3 platform, but the more support the better.

[shannn]

http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=21185

The new Dual Shock 3 sounds pretty nifty...I wonder how well it will work though...but it does sound nice that if a grenade explodes to your right, the right side of the joystiq will shake while the other side doesn't...

We can order the Japanese DS3 and it will work here, right? I wonder why Sony isn't doing a world wide release of DS3's for Christmas time??

[ashs]

just finished play halo 3 on live for the first time. It wasn't bad, the headset wasn't great (the sound was very muffed). I love the games single player and co-op modes but online wasn't that fun. Getting in a game took long and it wasn't as enjoyable as playing resistance online. Am i in the minority here?

[sfu_lifer]

just finished play halo 3 on live for the first time. It wasn't bad, the headset wasn't great (the sound was very muffed). I love the games single player and co-op modes but online wasn't that fun. Getting in a game took long and it wasn't as enjoyable as playing resistance online. Am i in the minority here?

Probably. Since the number of people who played Resistance (and still do) will pale next to Halo 3's longevity of Halo 2's online shelf-life is any indication.
That's a known issue with 360's online chats. For some reason, MS hasn't bothered to fix the voice quality. What matters for you is your opinion. If you're having fun, who cares about the system preference really.

[mark_in_2k]

just finished play halo 3 on live for the first time. It wasn't bad, the headset wasn't great (the sound was very muffed). I love the games single player and co-op modes but online wasn't that fun. Getting in a game took long and it wasn't as enjoyable as playing resistance online. Am i in the minority here?I'm not usually one for doing this, but shouldn't this be in the 360 thread, not the PS3 thread?

[rahzel]

I'm not usually one for doing this, but shouldn't this be in the 360 thread, not the PS3 thread?
why would it? :confused:

[jeffyjaixx]

I'm not usually one for doing this, but shouldn't this be in the 360 thread, not the PS3 thread?

The DualShock 3 is a PS3 controller...

[mark_in_2k]

why would it? :confused:


The DualShock 3 is a PS3 controller...My boo boo... quoted the wrong poster!

[CFRTim]

I don't care what anyone has to say, but SONY had waaaay to many SKU within one year; looks like they just can't make up their mind. How long before the next one?

Technologies described in the filing include Bluetooth, 802.11b/g WiFi, along with a number of I/O ports. The FCC report states that only two USB ports were tested (current PS3s have four ports) and there were no mention of memory card reader tests. Since the FCC is a radio test, it may not have required extensive testing of select PS3 features.

http://www.dailytech.com/FCC+Filing+Provides+Peek+at+New+PlayStation+3+Mode l/article9067.htm

[rahzel]

Sony is doing everything they can to cut cost. the 80GB sku is actually cheaper to manufacture than the 60GB and the 40GB is also probably (or close to) cheaper than the 20GB. i think the reason they discontinued the 20GB was because 20GB is not enough space for most gamers (for the PS3 anyway as some games install files on the HDD). i think that the 40GB and 80GB SKU's will eventually be the only SKU's available. i have a feeling they might introduce another "Elite" sku with even more HDD space (and possibly with the DS3?). but after that, i don't see them releasing anymore SKU's.

btw, PSN updated, Jericho and NBA 2k8 demos and other stuff.

[maebach]

dling nba 2k8 right now

[sfu_lifer]

dling nba 2k8 right now

Very disappointing for me :(
Looks like I'll have no bball game this year.

[trixR4kids]

dling jericho here

[CFRTim]

Very disappointing for me :(
Looks like I'll have no bball game this year.

Well forget PS3 or XBOX 360, you can always go back to good ol' N64. And Sony is bragging about the rumble; put that in your controller and smoke it Phil Harrison.


http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2007/09/thumb300x_controlbong.jpg

[Sgt_Strider]

Sony is doing everything they can to cut cost. the 80GB sku is actually cheaper to manufacture than the 60GB and the 40GB is also probably (or close to) cheaper than the 20GB. i think the reason they discontinued the 20GB was because 20GB is not enough space for most gamers (for the PS3 anyway as some games install files on the HDD). i think that the 40GB and 80GB SKU's will eventually be the only SKU's available. i have a feeling they might introduce another "Elite" sku with even more HDD space (and possibly with the DS3?). but after that, i don't see them releasing anymore SKU's.

btw, PSN updated, Jericho and NBA 2k8 demos and other stuff.

Yea, I think having too many SKUs will just end up confusing customers. I don't think Microsoft succeeded using their multiple SKU strategy. I'm really praying that this rumour is true and that this "new" PS3 will be priced at $399 USD.

[rdtx2002]

Well forget PS3 or XBOX 360, you can always go back to good ol' N64. And Sony is bragging about the rumble; put that in your controller and smoke it Phil Harrison.


http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2007/09/thumb300x_controlbong.jpg

why shouldn't they brag? they improved on it.

[Brownbear]

Yea, I think having too many SKUs will just end up confusing customers. I don't think Microsoft succeeded using their multiple SKU strategy. I'm really praying that this rumour is true and that this "new" PS3 will be priced at $399 USD.

if it does, i hope it'll be $399 CAD.

[sfu_lifer]

why shouldn't they brag? they improved on it.
It's just funny that they dropped it altogether and now it's being hailed as the something innovative :lol:
Nonetheless, I've missed it and I welcome any incarnation of it back. The more improvements the better. I'd love to replay some of the PS2 titles in HD once they put the rumble back. Shame that won't be till 2008 :(

[rahzel]

i don't recall Sony bragging about rumble. all i've seen them say is they brought it back because mostly everyone wanted it back. i personally didn't care much, but it will be nice to have it back.

[CFRTim]

Please spare me the new rumble controller BS that SONY is trying to sell us. This article is from Kotaku, and it does a great job at describing the new SCE mentality

TGS. Last week. Sony finally get around to officially announcing a rumbling controller, and you did one of two things. One is that you accept the news. Graciously. You forget that this should have been there from day one, that it was only absent because Sony stubbornly refused to settle a lawsuit with Immersion and that they...well, they sold you a lie. Straight up. And you're happy! You've got rumble in your Sixaxis!

The other thing you do is remember all those things, shrug and say "Hmpf, well it's about bloody time".Then you see the Western release date of 2008. Then maybe you get a little upset. Especially if you've got anything to do with the business of trying to shift PS3s.

See, the PS3 hasn't had the easiest of times. You may have heard. Delayed launches, ridiculous price-tags and a dearth of quality games mean the PS3 hasn't exactly flown off the shelf. And still really isn't: because Sony's been reluctant to settle on things like a HDD size, on a feature list, on backwards-compatibility and yes, rumble, a lot of consumers have been holding off, wondering when the system will settle down so they don't get burned on an early purchase.

This, though? This was a chance to get something right. They could have announced the DualShock 3 in time for Christmas, quietly put the whole "rumble is last-gen thing" to bed and moved on. They could have put one in every PS3 box about to be shipped to retail and people would have been happy. They could have stopped waiting for Sony to settle on just what was going inside the box and actually gone out and bought one.

But no! Instead, for the next few months, every PS3 sold is going to be sold with what is from this moment an, ironically, outdated controller. And a lot of people who would be considering the purchase of a PS3 will know this, and may just hold off. No point buying a console now when a better, proper controller is coming in a few months time, is there? Those things aren't cheap.

This is especially the case for PAL territories, where the 80GB starter packs come with two Sixaxis controllers. Do Sony expect people to buy one of these packs when we now know, for certain, that the controllers are to be replaced in less than six months?

I think they do. And that's taking the piss. Controllers don't need localisation, they don't need to be translated, they don't need to account for differences between NTSC and PAL. They get plugged in, they work. Maybe they haven't manufactured enough (likely), maybe they're just being pricks (less, but still, likely), I don't know. All I know is they need the DualShock 3s in American and European stores NOW, not in 2008.

Sony needed this announcement to be a reason for people to buy a PS3, and to buy one this Christmas. Instead, it may well have given people outside Japan a reason not to buy one. At least not yet.

[GunnerX]

Good ol PA.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2007/20070924.jpg

[sfu_lifer]

Not to defend Sony but I can totally understand their decision.
They have a lot of unsold Sixaxis inventory here. It's not exactly a best-selling peripheral. Most of the PS3 owners I know are still on the bundled controller and using PS2 controllers via usb adapters.
And Japan has always been their favorite child. Always. Probably will be forever like that. Their pricing has always been most consumer-friendly as well and they get all the gadgets first, way ahead of everybody.
I'd like it asap as well but I don't think this will prevent too many non-hardcore gamer from buying a PS3. I'm just surprised Sony hasn't announced any pricing for it (even for Japan). We also don't know when they started production of this controller and how their production is like. Yeah Sony screwed up by not settling with Immersion and this has bit them in the butt with the hardcore. But that's pretty old news by now. I'd rather rake them over the coals with Home's delay :twisted:

[CFRTim]

Not to defend Sony but I can totally understand their decision.
They have a lot of unsold Sixaxis inventory here. It's not exactly a best-selling peripheral. Most of the PS3 owners I know are still on the bundled controller and using PS2 controllers via usb adapters.
And Japan has always been their favorite child. Always. Probably will be forever like that. Their pricing has always been most consumer-friendly as well and they get all the gadgets first, way ahead of everybody.
I'd like it asap as well but I don't think this will prevent too many non-hardcore gamer from buying a PS3. I'm just surprised Sony hasn't announced any pricing for it (even for Japan). We also don't know when they started production of this controller and how their production is like. Yeah Sony screwed up by not settling with Immersion and this has bit them in the butt with the hardcore. But that's pretty old news by now. I'd rather rake them over the coals with Home's delay :twisted:

The original controller is not a best-seller, :lol: The PS3 unit it's not a well-seller outside of Japan. I think is because of this (old stock in warehouses) that we're not getting the new controllers bundled by XMAS. But if they put out a new SKU (the 40GB model) months after the rumble announcement, and still include the old controller in the box, it’s complete BS.

[sfu_lifer]

I just downloaded the Sega Rally Revo demo. I can't quite put my finger on it but this demo looks better than what's on the 360. I did notice far less jaggies on this but also noticed a bit more pop-in for some trees/mountains and also some texture pop-ins. It's also there on the 360 but it seems to happen to the PS3 more. Some mist effects that I saw on the 360 didn't happen on the PS3 version. However, the colors seem more vibrant plus less jaggies make it look better to me.

[rahzel]

both versions use 4xMSAA from what i heard. PS3 version uses alpha blend for vegetation and the 360 version uses alpha coverage. i dunno what that means, but apparently alpha blend is better according to Quaz here. (http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1068230&postcount=226)

[sfu_lifer]

both versions use 4xMSAA from what i heard. PS3 version uses alpha blend for vegetation and the 360 version uses alpha coverage. i dunno what that means, but apparently alpha blend is better according to Quaz here. (http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1068230&postcount=226)
Yea I read that it used 4xMSAA but I'm still seeing less jaggies on the PS3 version hooked up to the same TV. Of course 360 is on component so I'm not sure if that makes a difference in this case.

[Emancipated]

Yea, I think having too many SKUs will just end up confusing customers. I don't think Microsoft succeeded using their multiple SKU strategy. I'm really praying that this rumour is true and that this "new" PS3 will be priced at $399 USD.

I fail to understand how the new SKUs in Microsoft's lineup has failed or at least not met their expectations. People are buying the Elites, are they not? Halo3 Edition is also being bought at a more sensible rate but I'm sure Microsoft planned for this and only produced them in limited quantity. The only way you could say it hasn't succeeded or out rightly failed is if there are an abundant of stock on store shelves like the other system we won't name.

I would like to see them phase out both the Elite and Premium and just offer a black/white version of their 120GB w/HDMI. At least differentiate the two with more than just storage capacity.

[Sgt_Strider]

I fail to understand how the new SKUs in Microsoft's lineup has failed or at least not met their expectations. People are buying the Elites, are they not? Halo3 Edition is also being bought at a more sensible rate but I'm sure Microsoft planned for this and only produced them in limited quantity. The only way you could say it hasn't succeeded or out rightly failed is if there are an abundant of stock on store shelves like the other system we won't name.

I would like to see them phase out both the Elite and Premium and just offer a black/white version of their 120GB w/HDMI. At least differentiate the two with more than just storage capacity.

I never said the strategy failed either. I just don't think the multiple SKU strategy helped Microsoft sell as many systems as possible. It's only been recently that sales of the Xbox 360 have picked up, especially after the price cut and the introduction of Halo 3. It didn't take long for the Wii to catch up to Xbox 360 sales and now it's the #1 selling console on the market. I don't think the Xbox 360 are being cleared from shelves either.

[bmaz]

...It didn't take long for the Wii to catch up to Xbox 360 sales and now it's the #1 selling console on the market...
People should stop comparing the 360 and the PS3 to the Wii, the Wii is on a different playing field.
Having one sku isn't what has made the Wii a bestseller.

[rahzel]

People should stop comparing the 360 and the PS3 to the Wii, the Wii is on a different playing field.
Having one sku isn't what has made the Wii a bestseller.
totally agree.

[jeffyjaixx]

Sony Big Bang announcement coming soon!

More on October 12th.

http://www.n4g.com/News-71113.aspx

:lol: Is it going to be the rumoured $399 40GB sku?

[sfu_lifer]

Sony Big Bang announcement coming soon!

More on October 12th.

http://www.n4g.com/News-71113.aspx

:lol: Is it going to be the rumoured $399 40GB sku?

Better be. They need to stop the bleeding. Every month they're falling further and further behind the other two market leaders.

[bmaz]

Sony Big Bang announcement coming soon!

More on October 12th.

http://www.n4g.com/News-71113.aspx

:lol: Is it going to be the rumoured $399 40GB sku?
If it is, it better be for a Christmas release.

[Emancipated]

People should stop comparing the 360 and the PS3 to the Wii, the Wii is on a different playing field.
Having one sku isn't what has made the Wii a bestseller.

It's a perfectly valid comparison. They're all vying for the same market share -- more or less. Parents with young kids would definitely opt for the Wii, but 9-10 yr olds and up are most likely going for the Xbox360 because the PS3 frankly hasn't had a lot of press coverage. No games to speak of and what games they do have are either latent port or inferior counterpart (read: Electronic Arts).


sgt_strider: again, it no way impacts Microsoft negatively for having more SKUs. Someone who may have been on the fence between a PS3 and 360 may have picked up the Elite or Halo3 version. Why? Because it's different and isn't just another next-gen console. I'm not a big fan of Halo but those colours really do tempt you. That's just my way of thinking.

[bmaz]

It's a perfectly valid comparison. They're all vying for the same market share -- more or less. Parents with young kids would definitely opt for the Wii, but 9-10 yr olds and up are most likely going for the Xbox360 because the PS3 frankly hasn't had a lot of press coverage. No games to speak of and what games they do have are either latent port or inferior counterpart (read: Electronic Arts)....
Really? When was the last time your grandparents played Gears of War on your 360?
In fact name one game your grandparents ( or even your parents ) played on your 360.

I don't think 9 -10 year olds can afford xbox 360 or ps3 which means their parents would have to buy it.
Being known as a tech guy around family, friends an co-workers, when parents or older adults approach me for advice on a console it, 95% of the time they have asked about the Wii.

In terms of ads the Wii has been steady with their console ads, the Xbox just started advertising for Halo 3 a month or so ago, before Halo 3 I hadn't heard much from 360 or the PS3, it was all Nintendo. Of course I don't watch much TV so I could have missed some of Microsoft and Sony's previous ad campaigns.

[CFRTim]

Sony Big Bang announcement coming soon!

More on October 12th.

http://www.n4g.com/News-71113.aspx

:lol: Is it going to be the rumoured $399 40GB sku?

bluraysavings.com already has a new PS3 model listed, CECHG01 that qualifies for the 5 free BD

http://www.bluraysavings.com/newindex_ca.html

[evozero]

here's a new gameplay video of uncharted: drake's fortune.

looks like it's coming along very nicely.

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/09/30/watch-uncharted-drakes-fortunes-first-level/

[bmaz]

bluraysavings.com already has a new PS3 model listed, CECHG01 that qualifies for the 5 free BD

http://www.bluraysavings.com/newindex_ca.html
Cool, its good to see that they are continuing the 5 free blu-ray movies offer, that makes the rumoured $400 40GB PS3 even more appealing.

[sfu_lifer]

sgt_strider: again, it no way impacts Microsoft negatively for having more SKUs. Someone who may have been on the fence between a PS3 and 360 may have picked up the Elite or Halo3 version. Why? Because it's different and isn't just another next-gen console. I'm not a big fan of Halo but those colours really do tempt you. That's just my way of thinking.
Really? You think the puke green Halo 360 looks good?

[CFRTim]

Really? You think the puke green Halo 360 looks good?

I don't, you don't, but HALO fans buy them; I've seen 2 people inline at Costco buying them while I was there

[rahzel]

here's a new gameplay video of uncharted: drake's fortune.

looks like it's coming along very nicely.

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/09/30/watch-uncharted-drakes-fortunes-first-level/
the textures in Drake are some of the best i've seen. this is arguably the best looking game this year imo. hope the gameplay matches the visuals though.

[sfu_lifer]

the textures in Drake are some of the best i've seen. this is arguably the best looking game this year imo. hope the gameplay matches the visuals though.
I prefer UT3. But for sure, Uncharted is up there.

[ashs]

anyone try that bloody mess jericho? Clive Barker has a really twisted mind lol

[zerocool24]

anyone try that bloody mess jericho? Clive Barker has a really twisted mind lol

i havent tried it yet, the first time i downloaded it something must have been corrupted, cause it wouldnt let me install so i downloaded it a second time, it installed but i still havent tried it yet.

[maebach]

Really? You think the puke green Halo 360 looks good?

Looks so ugly.

[CFRTim]

Thanks to a helpful tipster, we have a couple of Best Buy documents showing a $399 Playstation 3 with 40GB disk and Spiderman 3 (yes, Blu-ray) bundle with an "In Stock Date" of October 28. However, the more important "Street Date" field is unfortunately empty at the moment. While the docs look legit and don't seem to be Photoshopped, they can still be faked easily enough. So we did a quick lookup on the UPC code and sure enough, while the details are masked, the manufacturer is listed as "Sony Computer Entertainment of America." Unfortunately, we don't see the new model CECHG01 listed anywhere in the docs. As such, let's be clear: this ain't official. Still, we'll be paying close attention on October 12th as will you we suspect.

I wonder what the canadian price would be. The competition is going to need another price drop soon as well ;)

http://gaming.engadget.com/2007/10/02/sonys-399-ps3-confirmed-by-best-buy/

[sfu_lifer]

Thanks to a helpful tipster, we have a couple of Best Buy documents showing a $399 Playstation 3 with 40GB disk and Spiderman 3 (yes, Blu-ray) bundle with an "In Stock Date" of October 28. However, the more important "Street Date" field is unfortunately empty at the moment. While the docs look legit and don't seem to be Photoshopped, they can still be faked easily enough. So we did a quick lookup on the UPC code and sure enough, while the details are masked, the manufacturer is listed as "Sony Computer Entertainment of America." Unfortunately, we don't see the new model CECHG01 listed anywhere in the docs. As such, let's be clear: this ain't official. Still, we'll be paying close attention on October 12th as will you we suspect.

I wonder what the canadian price would be. The competition is going to need another price drop soon as well ;)

http://gaming.engadget.com/2007/10/02/sonys-399-ps3-confirmed-by-best-buy/

I doubt 360 will drop the price to match Sony's drop. They'll go on and keep saying Elite has 120GB. It's vital for Sony to drop the price in time for thanksgiving. Their heavy hitters really won't hit till next year so every little bit helps.

[BD006]

I wonder what the canadian price would be. The competition is going to need another price drop soon as well ;)

Probably in line with all the other past and present PS3 US-CAN conversions, an extra 10%.

So my guess is $440.

[Badman]

Probably in line with all the other past and present PS3 US-CAN conversions, an extra 10%.

So my guess is $440.

and then they will round it to $449.99 for the retailers. :mad:

I hope they only charge $20-$30 more because we should start seeing things more closer to par.

[kevin01]

what the heck just happened to my PS3... i turned it on for the first time in a month or two, and now it wont load any DVDs or games.... for games it shows the PLAYSTATION 3 screen and freezes at a black screen, and for DVDs it just freezes straight to the black screen.

And i lost my receipt too:confused: :confused:

[Canucks07]

Hey all,

Just a question regarding the 5 Free Blu Ray Movies promo for the PS3 (which is supposedly still going on)....Where & how can I actually take advantage of that???

I've read something about bluraysavings.com or whatever....but what does that have to do with Sony?!? Sorry if it's a stupid question...but is that even an official site?! Please help me....I'd like 5 free Blu Ray movies with my PS3!!!!!:confused: :cheesygri

[CFRTim]

Hey all,

Just a question regarding the 5 Free Blu Ray Movies promo for the PS3 (which is supposedly still going on)....Where & how can I actually take advantage of that???

I've read something about bluraysavings.com or whatever....but what does that have to do with Sony?!? Sorry if it's a stupid question...but is that even an official site?! Please help me....I'd like 5 free Blu Ray movies with my PS3!!!!!:confused: :cheesygri

It doesn't, it has to do with ALL BluRay players listed on that page Panasonic, Samsung, Philips, Pioneer and SONY including the PS3. Here is the website, looks pretty straight forward to me:


http://www.bluraysavings.com/newindex_ca.html

[Canucks07]

It doesn't, it has to do with ALL BluRay players listed on that page Panasonic, Samsung, Philips, Pioneer and SONY including the PS3. Here is the website, looks pretty straight forward to me:


http://www.bluraysavings.com/newindex_ca.html

Appreciate it.....just wasn't sure about it.

[sfu_lifer]

what the heck just happened to my PS3... i turned it on for the first time in a month or two, and now it wont load any DVDs or games.... for games it shows the PLAYSTATION 3 screen and freezes at a black screen, and for DVDs it just freezes straight to the black screen.

And i lost my receipt too:confused: :confused:

Wow, I hope mine doesn't go like that. I'd be seriously pissed. Oh well, I only have a few more months warranty on it anyways but hell, I hope this lasts a few more years at least. If my PS3 breaks, I won't buy another one until they shrink it.

EDIT: Darn it! Unreal Tourney 3 for PS3 delayed till 1st quarter 2008. That blows majorly.
Delaystation 3 indeed.

[rahzel]

there is some good news out of this delay though... they were going to leave 2 maps out of the PS3 version due to performance issues with those particular maps, but the PS3 version will include all of the maps due to the extra development time.

its taking devs sometime to get their engines working right on PS3, but once the problems are ironed out (like Epic says are) games that use the engine should not have anymore delays. this is kind of a surprise to me because Mark Rein was bragging how well UT3 was coming along and that they're actually further ahead than they were with Gears on 360 last year. most of the media shown was being run on PS3 and it was buttery smooth. it was probably something they found out causing a delay.

[Emancipated]

Wow, I hope mine doesn't go like that. I'd be seriously pissed. Oh well, I only have a few more months warranty on it anyways but hell, I hope this lasts a few more years at least. If my PS3 breaks, I won't buy another one until they shrink it.


Yeah me too. No joking around, I have not powered it on for almost 3 months now. Receipt? I haven't the slightest clue where that is. My Xbox is on the fritz since early September and I've been uninterested in gaming. I just hope the PS3 still works. Hah! On the bright size, if any worth while games gets released, we can all run out and buy a $399 PS3. :lol:

[drdrma]

Wow, I hope mine doesn't go like that. I'd be seriously pissed. Oh well, I only have a few more months warranty on it anyways but hell, I hope this lasts a few more years at least. If my PS3 breaks, I won't buy another one until they shrink it.

EDIT: Darn it! Unreal Tourney 3 for PS3 delayed till 1st quarter 2008. That blows majorly.
Delaystation 3 indeed.

Dude, keep you pants on, the failure rate is very low.

[sfu_lifer]

Yeah me too. No joking around, I have not powered it on for almost 3 months now. Receipt? I haven't the slightest clue where that is. My Xbox is on the fritz since early September and I've been uninterested in gaming. I just hope the PS3 still works. Hah! On the bright size, if any worth while games gets released, we can all run out and buy a $399 PS3. :lol:
I'd rather spend that on games and accessories :)
I turn mine on once in a while to download demos (or our group gameshare) and play blu-ray movies.

[CFRTim]

Based on the first 10 months of availability, the troubled PlayStation 3 sold 22 percent less than the Nintendo GameCube for the same period: http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=137448

Kaz Hirai is still denying widespread belief that the PS3 launch price was too high, but maybe more price cuts are going to help, and this is another way to do just that

Sony will now be designing DRAM chips in conjunction with another company, Infineon Technologies AG, in order to cut R&D costs at the company. Why are they trying to cut costs? Because that part of Sony, the semiconductor unit, lost USD$86 million last year. Mostly off the back of costly PS3 development. While the announcement is expected to benefit many areas of the company (phones, cameras, etc), it will also affect PS3 production. So what does this mean to you, consumer? Probably not much. Not like this is going to instantly translate into a $100 saving to you at the cash register. But the more Sony can shave off production costs with moves like this, the closer the PS3 becomes to being...well, remotely affordable.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601080&sid=aK4rU6tPk5C8

[marcopolo85]

Wow looks like we are getting a simpsons demo tomorrow, cant wait!
http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-72063.aspx


Playstation Blog has provided a news regarding what to come this week in the PS store.

Games:
Go! Sports Ski (2.99 US)

Demos:
The Simpsons demo
Bladestorm: The Hundred Years’ War demo

Tutorials:
NBA 08 key control play calling tutorial video
Eye of Judgement tutorial video

Other video:
Uncharted: Drake’s Fortune BTS
Haze Dev interview
Tekkonkinkreet video
Surf’s Up BD trailer

[sfu_lifer]

Wow looks like we are getting a simpsons demo tomorrow, cant wait!
http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-72063.aspx

Sweet. This game's a rental for me.

[CFRTim]

First the Cell now the RSX. Another example that the PS3 has costed Sony a lot of cash, cash they're now trying to recoup.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/technology-media-telco-SP/idUKT13533720071004?feedType=RSS&feedName=technology-media-telco-SP

[dekcuftogu]

First the Cell now the RSX. Another example that the PS3 has costed Sony a lot of cash, cash they're now trying to recoup.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/technology-media-telco-SP/idUKT13533720071004?feedType=RSS&feedName=technology-media-telco-SP

Let me get this right. Like it or not the PS3 is the #1 selling Blu Ray player on the market. However, looks like production for two of the main components of this player are going to be sold and outsourced to the competition (makers of HD-DVD Toshiba). What's next for Sony? Have Toshiba manufacturing the Blu Ray drive inside the PS3 as well :D

[BD006]

Sony officially announced the 40GB PS3 in the UK.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/825/825213p1.html

Like rumours said, 2 USB ports, no media slots, and the article says NO backwards compatability.

No word on when it will hit North American shores.

[Canadianpsycho]

Sony officially announced the 40GB PS3 in the UK.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/825/825213p1.html

Like rumours said, 2 USB ports, no media slots, and the article says NO backwards compatability.

No word on when it will hit North American shores.

Ew. Looks like if I decide to pick up a PS3 I'll have to try and track down an older model so I can play the PS2 games I missed out on.

[GunnerX]

Straight from SONY themselves. I guess they don't want to bother with fixing BC emulation.

http://www.scee.presscentre.com/Content/Detail.asp?ReleaseID=4434&NewsAreaID=2

[rollen]

Straight from SONY themselves. I guess they don't want to bother with fixing BC emulation.

http://www.scee.presscentre.com/Content/Detail.asp?ReleaseID=4434&NewsAreaID=2

then im glad i got my ps3 with EE...that was a selling point for me when i initially considered getting one.

[CFRTim]

Straight from SONY themselves. I guess they don't want to bother with fixing BC emulation.

http://www.scee.presscentre.com/Content/Detail.asp?ReleaseID=4434&NewsAreaID=2

It's been 1 year now, they need to move ahead and focus on more PS3 games and price drops. People want more and better PS3 games, so BC should not be an issue. If there is an abundance of great PS3 games, and low priced hardware, people would stop bitching about BC

[evozero]

from my understanding ps1 games still work, while ps2 games do not.

for $100 more (80gb motorstorm) you get a game, ps2 BC and 40gb additional storage space.

[sfu_lifer]

from my understanding ps1 games still work, while ps2 games do not.

for $100 more (80gb motorstorm) you get a game, ps2 BC and 40gb additional storage space.

That's a broken PS2 BC, you may as well get the 60GB clearance sale model that has everything nice.

[bmaz]

from my understanding ps1 games still work, while ps2 games do not.

for $100 more (80gb motorstorm) you get a game, ps2 BC and 40gb additional storage space.
Where do you see the 80GB PS3 for $500? Currently the 60 GB version is $550 and it only comes with 1 controller and no games.
This announcement hasn't even been made for North America as yet ( only Europe, Middle East, Africa and Australasia ).

[rdtx2002]

Europe 40gb will still do software emu for ps2/ps1

[bmaz]

Europe 40gb will still do software emu for ps2/ps1
Who says?, Did you read the press release?
The announcement says and I quote: "The new model is no longer backwards compatible with PlayStation®2 titles", which means to me that software emulation has been taken out since Europe has never had hardware support.

[masterhapposai]

PS2 is cheap enough to buy on it's own.

But, yah this 40gb model is gimped.

I'm willing to bet there will be hacks based on either the PS2 emulation, or media readers, or even wireless. The 40gb model has none of those features.

[sfu_lifer]

PS2 is cheap enough to buy on it's own.

But, yah this 40gb model is gimped.

I'm willing to bet there will be hacks based on either the PS2 emulation, or media readers, or even wireless. The 40gb model has none of those features.
I have the 20GB. I haven't really used any of those features (other than PS2 BC) and don't miss it. Upgrade the HD and you're good to go. I have my PS3 hooked up to a dd-wrt bridge along with my 360. Works pretty well.
Anything to get the costs low while maintaining what's essential is a great thing to help get this to affordable territory.

[bmaz]

PS2 is cheap enough to buy on it's own.

But, yah this 40gb model is gimped.

I'm willing to bet there will be hacks based on either the PS2 emulation, or media readers, or even wireless. The 40gb model has none of those features.
Do people even bother to read anymore, the 40 GB PS3 still has wireless.

IEEE 802.11 b/g Included

[CFRTim]

I have the 20GB. I haven't really used any of those features (other than PS2 BC) and don't miss it. Upgrade the HD and you're good to go. I have my PS3 hooked up to a dd-wrt bridge along with my 360. Works pretty well.
Anything to get the costs low while maintaining what's essential is a great thing to help get this to affordable territory.

+1. BTW, can't you use a USB card reader on a PS3?

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here is the new PS3 on the Aussie Playstation website; coming out Oct.11 for AU$699.95

New PLAYSTATION®3 Model to Take Holiday Season by Storm :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

http://au.playstation.com/news/newplaystation3.jhtml;jsessionid=U13TI3QXIIN0NS3YI XZCFE4LXBC5GIV0

full spec sheet (http://au.playstation.com/ps3/hw/40gig.jhtml)

http://au.playstation.com/assets/images/ps3/hardware/techspecs_header.jpg

[bmaz]

http://au.playstation.com/assets/images/ps3/keydifferences.jpg
According to this table, it also doesn't read Super Audio CDs, I don't have any myself but I am sure some people do.

[joshmxpx]

+1. BTW, can't you use a USB card reader on a PS3?

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here is the new PS3 on the Aussie Playstation website; coming out Oct.11 for AU$699.95

New PLAYSTATION®3 Model to Take Holiday Season by Storm :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

http://au.playstation.com/news/newplaystation3.jhtml;jsessionid=U13TI3QXIIN0NS3YI XZCFE4LXBC5GIV0

full spec sheet (http://au.playstation.com/ps3/hw/40gig.jhtml)

http://au.playstation.com/assets/images/ps3/hardware/techspecs_header.jpg

what a fugly beast...

[sfu_lifer]

what a fugly beast...

What? It looks practically the same (minus a few ports here and there).
But yes, it is a beast but at least a silent beast unlike the 360. I also like the piano black shiny exterior but that's pretty much it.
And yes, you can just plug your own multicard reader (I have lots of these).

[evozero]

Anything to get the costs low while maintaining what's essential is a great thing to help get this to affordable territory.

Agreed. It's amazing how much of a fuss some people are putting up over the lack of ps2 functionality. It seems to me though that most people who are genuinely interested in ps2 games have the option in the form of a ps2 console (could very well already own one) or paying a premium for ps2 functionality, bigger hdd, etc.

My 60gb ps3 has ps2 playback and i've never used it, though i do hear the upscaling works pretty good. lets just say my ps3 dosen't play my ps2 backups. :lol:

[sfu_lifer]

Agreed. It's amazing how much of a fuss some people are putting up over the lack of ps2 functionality. It seems to me though that most people who are genuinely interested in ps2 games have the option in the form of a ps2 console (could very well already own one) or paying a premium for ps2 functionality, bigger hdd, etc.

My 60gb ps3 has ps2 playback and i've never used it, though i do hear the upscaling works pretty good. lets just say my ps3 dosen't play my ps2 backups. :lol:
It can but you're probably too chicken to try the swap trick ;)

[gambit_360]

Wow looks like we are getting a simpsons demo tomorrow, cant wait!
http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-72063.aspx

Is it just me or was the Simpsons demo the most frustrating thing ever created? I gave up after 15min. The graphics look good but the controls are just horrible.

[zerocool24]

Agreed. It's amazing how much of a fuss some people are putting up over the lack of ps2 functionality. It seems to me though that most people who are genuinely interested in ps2 games have the option in the form of a ps2 console (could very well already own one) or paying a premium for ps2 functionality, bigger hdd, etc.

My 60gb ps3 has ps2 playback and i've never used it, though i do hear the upscaling works pretty good. lets just say my ps3 dosen't play my ps2 backups. :lol:

well for me the ps2 backward compatability was a necessity as i did not ever own a ps2, so the few games that i wanted to play on the ps2 can be played on the ps3.

[nfnx]

It can but you're probably too chicken to try the swap trick ;)

what swap trick?
and what site can i go to to see how to see little hacks and tricks for the ps3?

[Vich]

Quick question for anyone out there. I haven't been up to date with the PS3 that much, but I'm looking to grab one (60GB model) in the next month or two. I remember some promotions going on way back that gave you a bunch of free Blu-Ray movies with the purchase of a PS3 or any Blu-Ray player for that matter. Is that promotion still going on, and for how long?

Thanks in advance guys.

[nfnx]

i think so its still going on in the hot deals section

[CFRTim]

Quick question for anyone out there. I haven't been up to date with the PS3 that much, but I'm looking to grab one (60GB model) in the next month or two. I remember some promotions going on way back that gave you a bunch of free Blu-Ray movies with the purchase of a PS3 or any Blu-Ray player for that matter. Is that promotion still going on, and for how long?

Thanks in advance guys.

Here it is, up to Jan 31 2008: http://www.bluraysavings.com/newindex_ca.html

[Dantes_InFresno]

well for me the ps2 backward compatability was a necessity as i did not ever own a ps2, so the few games that i wanted to play on the ps2 can be played on the ps3.

I'm in the same boat having owned an original x-box. I'd like to sample the PS2 library until some of the more expensive (new) games come down in price.

If you want a good laugh I have both an 80 Gig WalMart special and a 60 Gig from Loblaws. I don't which is the better to keep. The Walmart has Motorstorm & remote for what was $549, and the Loblaws has only the machine (with full BC) for $519.

What do you think? Which should go back?

Dantes

[bmaz]

I'm in the same boat having owned an original x-box. I'd like to sample the PS2 library until some of the more expensive (new) games come down in price.

If you want a good laugh I have both an 80 Gig WalMart special and a 60 Gig from Loblaws. I don't which is the better to keep. The Walmart has Motorstorm & remote for what was $549, and the Loblaws has only the machine (with full BC) for $519.

What do you think? Which should go back?

Dantes
The 80 GB should have full hardware BC, while the 60 GB software BC.
The 80 GB bundle you purchased has the best value, plus full hardware BC, seems like a no brainer to me.

[Brownbear]

The 80 GB should have full hardware BC, while the 60 GB software BC.
The 80 GB bundle you purchased has the best value, plus full hardware BC, seems like a no brainer to me.

i believe you have it backwards. the 60 GB has the BC hardware while the 80 does not.

[Symcor]

The 80 GB should have full hardware BC, while the 60 GB software BC.
The 80 GB bundle you purchased has the best value, plus full hardware BC, seems like a no brainer to me.

I thought it is the other way around.

[CFRTim]

It's the 60 GB that has the old EE PS2 chip inside (for now). I've heard all PS3 from now on will not have them anymore; so to clear things up it's the 60GB NTSC that has hardware BC, at least until old stock is gone. PAL 60GB never had hardware BC from the very start, only software BC, so maybe that's what's causing the confusion.

[bmaz]

Yes I have it backwards, I was thinking that the 80 GB was the highend PS3 at launch.
I would still get the 80 GB combo, as hardware BC still wasn't perfect.

[maebach]

anybody played folklore yet?It should be out now, righht?

[Vich]

Here it is, up to Jan 31 2008: http://www.bluraysavings.com/newindex_ca.html
Fantastic! I'll definitely be able to score on this promotion.

[BD006]

Is it just me or was the Simpsons demo the most frustrating thing ever created? I gave up after 15min. The graphics look good but the controls are just horrible.

Yes, frustrating, but at the same time, I found it to be pretty fun. It was just really difficult to get into that last hatch.

As for all this talk about BC, for me, it was a selling point as I never had a PS2 and now I've already picked up a few titles.

[marcopolo85]

Yes, frustrating, but at the same time, I found it to be pretty fun. It was just really difficult to get into that last hatch.

As for all this talk about BC, for me, it was a selling point as I never had a PS2 and now I've already picked up a few titles.

wow i guess im the only one who found this demo really easy?
On the 3rd hatch just use barts slingshot when you near a building you can climb or a broken fire hydrant so you can float to the top hatch.

[Dantes_InFresno]

Yes I have it backwards, I was thinking that the 80 GB was the highend PS3 at launch.
I would still get the 80 GB combo, as hardware BC still wasn't perfect.

Did some research. 93% compatibility for the 60, 58% for the 80. Think I'll stick with the 60.

Dantes

[Canucks07]

Can someone please tell me if I could still get a PS3 for Wal Mart's sale price? Perhaps from other stores? Or any other ideas?>:(

Thanks.

[maebach]

nobody's played folklore yet?

[rahzel]

not my kind of game, but isn't it supposed to come out on the 9th?

[rdtx2002]

EGM rumor mill has Parasite Eve Sequel for PS3.

[maebach]

not my kind of game, but isn't it supposed to come out on the 9th?

THere's player reviews for it on websites. Same with player reviews for Fifa 08 which is suppose to come out on the 8th as well

[CFRTim]

THere's player reviews for it on websites. Same with player reviews for Fifa 08 which is suppose to come out on the 8th as well


Usually new games (and videos) come out on a Tuesday, that would make it the 9th .

[maebach]

Usually new games (and videos) come out on a Tuesday, that would make it the 9th .

Yea, but maybe it came out before in the US? There's player reviews for the game where the reviews are serious, and not like, "this game will be amzing, played th demo, and its great" or "take this Halo boys, this game rock". There's reviews where they're saying how its better than last years or what they like about it and stuff.

My question: what do guys think is better?

Fifa 08
NHL 08
Folklore

I know Fifa08 and Folklore's official release date is tommorrow, but the reviews are pretty good. As good as folklore is, Im not much of a single player gamer, but its hard to chose between fifa and nhl. I love soccer, but the games are alright whereas Im not a huge hockey fan, but the games are really fun.

[marcopolo85]

Yea, but maybe it came out before in the US? There's player reviews for the game where the reviews are serious, and not like, "this game will be amzing, played th demo, and its great" or "take this Halo boys, this game rock". There's reviews where they're saying how its better than last years or what they like about it and stuff.

My question: what do guys think is better?

Fifa 08
NHL 08
Folklore

I know Fifa08 and Folklore's official release date is tommorrow, but the reviews are pretty good. As good as folklore is, Im not much of a single player gamer, but its hard to chose between fifa and nhl. I love soccer, but the games are alright whereas Im not a huge hockey fan, but the games are really fun.

I say you get PES08 and Folklore. Or just wait for ratchet and clank, demo comming this thursday.

[bmaz]

According to Hollywood Reporter (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/home_entertainment/games/e3i23389b356d961fd2fe8383b3c7b2f9a3) the 40 GB PS3 arrives ( or will be announced ) in North America on November 2.
Sure it's just a rumour but so far all the rumours seem to have come to fruition.

[CFRTim]

Why do so many people dislike SONY? Let me make this clear: I don't care about BC, but seems that many people do, more so because not too many PS3 games are avail. at the moment. Then I come across this article:

So, there you go. Sony could give the new model backwards compatibility, it just doesn't want to.


http://kotaku.com/gaming/customer-service/sony-could-run-bc-on-40gb-ps3s-they-just-dont-want-to-308467.php

[jdmkidd]

Just got my ps3, can't wait till they stack up the good games! waiting on FF13 GTA and more RPG'S!!

[BD006]

New Ceramic white 40GB PS3 to be released in Japan in Novermber, along with the Dual Shock 3 controller (sold separately :confused:).

Black Dual Shock 3 controllers will also be available in Japan in Novermber.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/10/ps3_ceramic_white_dualshock_3.jpg

So I guess Sony was a little bit quicker with the release of the new controller, though not sure when it'll hit North America. It might still be in the new year.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/09/sony-japans-ceramic-white-ps3-and-dualshock-3-announced/

[CFRTim]

And when it'll hit North America, a new SKU will be avail. with the Dual Shock 3 controller inside

[sfu_lifer]

Can someone please tell me if I could still get a PS3 for Wal Mart's sale price? Perhaps from other stores? Or any other ideas?>:(

Thanks.

Nope. You snooze you lose. Wait for boxing day.

[rahzel]

sorry if this has been brought up, but its pretty much confirmed that at least Cell is now 65nm in the new 40GB PS3 and theres a good chance RSX is as well. there are fewer vent holes and it uses 100w less than the 60GB/80GB.

[sfu_lifer]

sorry if this has been brought up, but its pretty much confirmed that at least Cell is now 65nm in the new 40GB PS3 and theres a good chance RSX is as well. there are fewer vent holes and it uses 100w less than the 60GB/80GB.
Wow. Sucks for us early adopters then. Hmm... I guess I'll wait for a smaller/slim version before upgrading.

[amicus]

well early adopters get BC.

and its almost winter, i have a heater that plays games or folds.

[rahzel]

well early adopters get BC.
exactly, as well as larger HDD space, 4 USB ports and memory card readers (BC being the most important one).

[sfu_lifer]

exactly, as well as larger HDD space, 4 USB ports and memory card readers (BC being the most important one).
Well I had a 20GB PS3 so I upgraded that HD a long time ago. 120GB should be fine for me for now. I hope at some point Sony enables us to read/write to an external USB HD for demos etc.

[rahzel]

well, thats what we get for being early adopters. its not like the 40GB performs any better, it just runs cooler and uses less power. i also have the 20GB, bought an 80GB HDD and sold my PS2. if Sony would have launched with this new 40GB, i would have kept my PS2 and bought the 40GB instead.

[sfu_lifer]

well, thats what we get for being early adopters. its not like the 40GB performs any better, it just runs cooler and uses less power. i also have the 20GB, bought an 80GB HDD and sold my PS2. if Sony would have launched with this new 40GB, i would have kept my PS2 and bought the 40GB instead.
Oh I know. I'm just being a cranky tech geek. I've been an early adopter for the past 3 console gens so I know the drill but haven't accepted it fully :D

[maebach]

I think Im gonna get Fifa 08 now. Then either:

Assassins Creed
Kane and Lynch
Drake:Uncharted
Ratchet/Clank
In november

Then Rock Band in December

BTW:

What are the GOOD games comming out in November/late October?

[Deals Deals Deals]

Did anyone like the Bladestorm Demo? I thought it was pretty fun; one of the better demos.

[marcopolo85]

What are the GOOD games comming out in November/late October?

Haze, UT3.


Did anyone like the Bladestorm Demo? I thought it was pretty fun; one of the better demos.

played for 5 mins and quit. Ill give it another try.

[maebach]

Haze, UT3.




I knew I was missing some.

[rahzel]

also Call of Duty 4. UT3 has been delayed until Q1 2008 for PS3.
my 2007 list consists of CoD4 and Uncharted; maybes are R&C and Haze. i eventually want to pickup skate as well.

[evozero]

i preordered a white dualshock 3 from play asia. its in stock nov 11, seems they have filled their preorder quota though.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e212/Barakov/20169_n20071009_05_dual_02.jpg

the strange thing is, the total including shipping was $63.xx canadian dollars. As in, less expensive than it would cost with tax for me to buy one locally if they were available. I can't wait to play uncharted with rumble. :)

[sfu_lifer]

Singstar is the one title I'm most excited about :cheesygri
I really hope they don't delay it since it's supposed to come out next month.
They can always launch the music store a few weeks later or patch it up if they need to.

[Dantes_InFresno]

Singstar is the one title I'm most excited about :cheesygri
I really hope they don't delay it since it's supposed to come out next month.
They can always launch the music store a few weeks later or patch it up if they need to.

Looks like they're none too sure....

http://www.psu.com/SingStar-PS3-release-date-still-undecided-News--a0001502-p0.php

Dantes

[marcopolo85]

hmm that seems strange but now you've made me want to import as well>:(

now i think i want one too :( CURSE ALL OF YOU!

[numb555]

I want one too, need this for Uncharted, and Ratchet ...

[BD006]

:lol: at all the people who all of a sudden want a white Dual Shock.

[evozero]

@ people who want to get a white dualshock from play-asia

if they get more stock, use the coupon code below to save $5 off the price. your total with regular shipping should be $63.xx. I'm not sure if/when they will get more stock though. keep checking i guess. :)

DT-MUA-BUN

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-zl-49-en-70-2boq.html

[Deals Deals Deals]

I hope sony brings the white controller to north america, although I doubt they will.

[maebach]

I still love my PS dualshock controller. got it for my 9th birthday. It was teh see-through dark green colour. Man I love my PS, lol.

[jeffyjaixx]

Anyone go to the Toronto Playstation Holiday Preview Event today?

I got to try out most of popular titles coming out this holiday season. It freaking rocked. Uncharted, COD4, Ratchet, Rock Band, Guitar Hero 3, Army of Two and Dark Sector is going to rock.

[marcopolo85]

Anyone go to the Toronto Playstation Holiday Preview Event today?

I got to try out most of popular titles coming out this holiday season. It freaking rocked. Uncharted, COD4, Ratchet, Rock Band, Guitar Hero 3, Army of Two and Dark Sector is going to rock.

You lucky son of a *****! i wanted to go but got no invite. how was uncharted, cod4 and army of two? how was the frames per second? and how did u get the invite?

[jeffyjaixx]

You lucky son of a *****! i wanted to go but got no invite. how was uncharted, cod4 and army of two? how was the frames per second? and how did u get the invite?

Uncharted looked and played amazingly. The only negative I found was the grenade throwing. Although that could be because I only played it for about 10-15 minutes and threw a grenade once before handing the controller to my friend. 9.5/10

COD4 is going to be the best 15 minute demo ever when it gets released. You heard it here first. It was amazing. Some slight jaggies. 9.5/10

Army of Two is great. It's going to be a very fun game with your friend if you're into co-op. Graphics look vibrant and very clean. 9/10

Everything ran very smoothly and no hitch in frame rate. I got to go because my friend got in and invited me as a guest. :lol: It was only limited to like 50 people.

I didn't really get a chance to try out Rock Band and Guitar hero 3 but I saw some people playing and it looks like so much fun.

[evozero]

Uncharted looked and played amazingly. The only negative I found was the grenade throwing. Although that could be because I only played it for about 10-15 minutes and threw a grenade once before handing the controller to my friend. 9.5/10



good to hear, i can't wait for this one myself. You play Ratchet at all? thoughts?

[sfu_lifer]

:lol: at all the people who all of a sudden want a white Dual Shock.
Don't want one. Wouldn't match my piano black PS3 :cheesygri
I want Rockband ASAP.

[maebach]

Don't want one. Wouldn't match my piano black PS3 :cheesygri
I want Rockband ASAP.

me too.

I cant wait for ARmy of Two and Uncharted. GT5 as well!

[DaVibe]

Anyone go to the Toronto Playstation Holiday Preview Event today?

I got to try out most of popular titles coming out this holiday season. It freaking rocked. Uncharted, COD4, Ratchet, Rock Band, Guitar Hero 3, Army of Two and Dark Sector is going to rock.

Yeah, I'm not sure how I was invited but I ended up going as well ... pretty cool, got to play all these games that I didn't even know the names of :lol:
Wish they would have put THAT up.

I enjoyed all the sports and racing games ... one off-roading game felt like I was watching TV, it was that realistic.
I also enjoyed the NBA setup they had and the racing/drifing game (can't remember the name) near the front door ... now THAT was a cool game.
NIH or something?

[jeffyjaixx]

good to hear, i can't wait for this one myself. You play Ratchet at all? thoughts?

Ratchet is another amazing title. I only got to finish the first level but that took a good 15-20 minutes as well. I love the controls on this one especially. There's this function where you press L2 or L1 to aim I forgot... and it brings you into almost a first person mode but you can still see like half of Ratchet in the bottom left corner. In that view, it looks so epic when you rotate 360 degrees.


Yeah, I'm not sure how I was invited but I ended up going as well ... pretty cool, got to play all these games that I didn't even know the names of :lol:
Wish they would have put THAT up.

I enjoyed all the sports and racing games ... one off-roading game felt like I was watching TV, it was that realistic.
I also enjoyed the NBA setup they had and the racing/drifing game (can't remember the name) near the front door ... now THAT was a cool game.
NIH or something?

Haha, I didn't play any of the sports and racing games because I already have the top 3 basketball demo's on my PS3. I also didn't go for any racing games because I didn't notice any GT5:P stations so I went for the others :lol:.

[DaVibe]

Ratchet is another amazing title. I only got to finish the first level but that took a good 15-20 minutes as well. I love the controls on this one especially. There's this function where you press L2 or L1 to aim I forgot... and it brings you into almost a first person mode but you can still see like half of Ratchet in the bottom left corner. In that view, it looks so epic when you rotate 360 degrees.



Haha, I didn't play any of the sports and racing games because I already have the top 3 basketball demo's on my PS3. I also didn't go for any racing games because I didn't notice any GT5:P stations so I went for the others :lol:.

I'm not a "First-Person Shooter" type of person ... I enjoy but doesn't THRILL ME ...
It really wasn't busy at all ... I almost put up an ad on RFD for somebody to join me but then my friend said he wanted in and then HE jumped ship, so I was all by myself :lol:
Still fun :D

Edit: The game I was talking about earlier was "Juiced 2" ... so buying it.
There's a pretty cool PSP Game, you're like this young kid and you can transform into a more superhero-type character throughout the game, but basically you're kicking and punching in the desert, killing these alien spaceship things ...
So dumb but it was fun :)

[sfu_lifer]

I'm surprised nobody's posted much about their Heavenly Sword experience.
Rented it and found it quite good but like the reviews say, extremely short on Normal mode. Great story, voice acting and cutscenes. I'm not impressed with the graphics however but definitely good for a rental.

[ashs]

I tried the heavenly sword demo and wasn't too impressed, it might be because i don't really like hack and slash type games. Lair looks very impressive too me, even with the average reviews (im looking forward to getting that eventually). i have call of duty 4 pre-ordered and decided to go with the ps3 version over my xbox 360, hopefully that pans out.

[rahzel]

I'm surprised nobody's posted much about their Heavenly Sword experience.
Rented it and found it quite good but like the reviews say, extremely short on Normal mode. Great story, voice acting and cutscenes. I'm not impressed with the graphics however but definitely good for a rental.
i bought it and i loved it as well. however, i was quite impressed with the visuals minus the flickering shadows... one of the better looking PS3 games imo. what stood out for me were the facial animations, lighting, art direction, draw distance and the waterfalls.

it is a little shorter than most action titles (finished it an hour less than God of War) but it was a blast from start to finish, not once was i bored. took me about 6 hours to beat on normal mode and about 8.5 hours on hell mode.

[CFRTim]

Wireless RockBand guitars for PS3 not bluetooth ready :mad:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/dongle-bungle/wireless-rock-band-guitars-for-ps3-not-bluetooth-ready-309540.php

[rahzel]

R&C demo on PSN. also NHL 2k8 and Conan demos and Everyday shooter (game).

[sfu_lifer]

Downloading R&C now.

Everyday shooter is pretty awesome.

[jeffyjaixx]

Complete list for PSN Update Thursday, October 11, 2007:

Everyday Shooter full game ($9.99)
Ratchet and Clank demo (free)
Conan demo (free)
NHL 2K8 demo (free)
Uncharted behind the scenes video (free)
Folklore trailer (free)
Fallout 3 trailer (free)
Ratchet and Clank wallpaper (free)
Everyday Shooter wallpaper (free)
The Assassination of Jesse James movie trailer (free)
Spiderwick Chronicles movie trailer (free)
Walk Hard movie trailer (free)

[sfu_lifer]

One thing I love is how fast Sony is churning out these downloadable content for PSN now. They're on the ball bigtime (unlike MS and their Canada division, so slow even putting out movie trailers and such, they've pretty much stopped since early January).

[maebach]

One thing I love is how fast Sony is churning out these downloadable content for PSN now. They're on the ball bigtime (unlike MS and their Canada division, so slow even putting out movie trailers and such, they've pretty much stopped since early January).

I think its to keep us busy before the storm of games before the holiday season. I dont find anything I like yout there right now so I only play demos (and warhawk). I cant wait for uncharted/assassins creed/army of two/ rock band

[marcopolo85]

I tried the heavenly sword demo and wasn't too impressed, it might be because i don't really like hack and slash type games. Lair looks very impressive too me, even with the average reviews (im looking forward to getting that eventually). i have call of duty 4 pre-ordered and decided to go with the ps3 version over my xbox 360, hopefully that pans out.

well according to this the ps3 version is slightly better

http://www.dailygame.net/news/archives/006696.php

Still, as strong as Call of Duty 4 is shaping up to be in the gameplay department, the most immediately impressive aspect is by far its graphics. The PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 versions all look surprisingly similar, but that's not due to one platform being the lead; Infinity Ward personally assured us that development occurred simultaneously on all three platforms, and that there wasn't a base system. With that said, the console similarities end when it comes to textures, lighting and resolutions, because those three areas make the PlayStation 3 version definitely excel over the Xbox 360 SKU. Regardless, every console owner will proudly use Call of Duty 4 to showcase their high-definition TV, because COD4 is by far the best-looking console game you will see this year.

[ashs]

im hoping your right, the 2nd generation games for the ps3 are coming out so their should be an improvement in graphics.

[sfu_lifer]

Anyone having problems downloading R&C demo?
Mine's been stuck at 51% for the past hour :(
I've turned the PS3 on/off too to try to get it to move.

[numb555]

R&C Best Demo ever...

Game of the Year for me based on this demo alone! (till Uncharted)
This is what next gen is all about!

[jeffyjaixx]

R&C Best Demo ever...

Game of the Year for me based on this demo alone! (till Uncharted)
This is what next gen is all about!

Agreed.

The art direction is love.

[sfu_lifer]

Wow I'm actually impressed. We're definitely getting closer to Pixar graphics.
Ratchet and Clank is a confirmed Day 1 purchase for me. Outside of Mario, probably my only kid-friendly purchase this Xmas.

[mark_in_2k]

R&C demo is very pretty, I'll give you that, but no where near game of the year. It's hasn't changed at all since R&C 2, save for a few different weapons. There's nothing innovative in the gameplay.

I guess if it ain't broke, don't fix it. But I wouldn't call the game next gen.

[rahzel]

R&C demo is very pretty, I'll give you that, but no where near game of the year. It's hasn't changed at all since R&C 2, save for a few different weapons. There's nothing innovative in the gameplay.

I guess if it ain't broke, don't fix it. But I wouldn't call the game next gen.
why do people take someone else's opinion so seriously? he was simply saying its his GOTY.
but either way, i would think it would be hard to judge a game by a demo...

i have yet to try it as i've downloaded too much lately but i've heard nothing but positive reviews of the demo.

[Waiwai]

R&C demo is very pretty, I'll give you that, but no where near game of the year. It's hasn't changed at all since R&C 2, save for a few different weapons. There's nothing innovative in the gameplay.

I guess if it ain't broke, don't fix it. But I wouldn't call the game next gen.

Isn't the 3/4 view perspective? Mind you, it is really innovative, but I don't recall it being there before. I don't think that they really had much to improve on besides the graphics really without changing the game entirely. Remember what happened to Deadlocked?

The game looks really nice, but maybe I'm the only one who was a bit confused as to the always changing camera angle in the game? Also, I think I found that the boxes/crates in this one actually bended into the background a bit much. Aside from those issues, looks like I will have to pick this one up, as well as replay the previous ones to see where the story is heading with this one. I got two weeks right?

[marcopolo85]

As soon as i started the demo my sister tried to steal the controller away from me. She loves all the pixar films so she instantly loved it. Awesome demo ill be buying day 1.

[CFRTim]

As soon as i started the demo my sister tried to steal the controller away from me. She loves all the pixar films so she instantly loved it. Awesome demo ill be buying day 1.

:lol: Usually, when I start playing video games, girls leave the room and say that I'm chemically imbalanced

[jeffyjaixx]

R&C demo is very pretty, I'll give you that, but no where near game of the year. It's hasn't changed at all since R&C 2, save for a few different weapons. There's nothing innovative in the gameplay.

I guess if it ain't broke, don't fix it. But I wouldn't call the game next gen.

I don't think we got to try out all the weapons in the demo. From my experience, I only got 4 but it seems there are tons of weapons to be found in the final product.

[skule123]

The people who have played review code seemed to indicate that there was more changed than just a few different weapons, too.

[marcopolo85]

:lol: Usually, when I start playing video games, girls leave the room and say that I'm chemically imbalanced

HAHA thats why you gotta find girls that are as chemically imbalanced as you are.

[sfu_lifer]

Isn't the 3/4 view perspective? Mind you, it is really innovative, but I don't recall it being there before. I don't think that they really had much to improve on besides the graphics really without changing the game entirely. Remember what happened to Deadlocked?

The game looks really nice, but maybe I'm the only one who was a bit confused as to the always changing camera angle in the game? Also, I think I found that the boxes/crates in this one actually bended into the background a bit much. Aside from those issues, looks like I will have to pick this one up, as well as replay the previous ones to see where the story is heading with this one. I got two weeks right?

Camera's a weak point in this game. A few times I found myself with no "self" to look at in the corners. Thank goodness for adjustable camera angles but that may be tough when the action really gets going, something that doesn't happen very often in this demo. This is a really good demo (unlike Heavenly Sword which was so short, esp for such a huge download).
This is more of the same, just greatly increased graphic fidelity, prolly more and new weapons (love the disco ball, that's a great touch) and some skydiving scenes using the 6Xis (works well).

[Deals Deals Deals]

Is Ratchet and Clank PS3 going to have multiplayer?

[Vertigo]

Is Ratchet and Clank PS3 going to have multiplayer?

Nope - they wanted to focus purely on the single player experience, if I remember correctly.

[aturk99]

For anyone looking for Blue Rays. Vortex Records at Yonge and Eglinton had a bunch used today when i was there.

[fatpig]

Is the 60 GB sold in stores anymore? I checked Futureshop and Bestbuy's websites and none of the stores in my area have it in stock. I don't want to pay $13 for shipping.

[sfu_lifer]

Is the 60 GB sold in stores anymore? I checked Futureshop and Bestbuy's websites and none of the stores in my area have it in stock. I don't want to pay $13 for shipping.
EBGames should still have some in stock. Go phone around. Same with Blockbuster and Rogers. In the US (WA state), I saw tons of 60GB left in various stores.

[nfnx]

seems like army of two isnt getting as much publicity. i just heard of it two days ago and it tops the list of to get games now.

can someone tell me how COD is? what is it? i hear its great but is it like an online counterstrike tyep game?

or online vs computer mission style?



is it like killzone 2?

[GunnerX]

Downloaded and played the Ratchet demo and liked it a lot. Gonna be my 3rd PS3 game. :D

[CFRTim]

According to the Surfer Girl weblog—a site with lots of rumors that have yet to be proven or disproven—Insomniac is working on a sequel to Resistance: Fall of Man that's "tentatively" planned for release November 2008. And there are some neat details, too. Since someone might read something as a spoiler, we'll list the alleged intel after the jump.

- Game takes place in US
- Locales include Chicago and San Francisco
- Sgt. Nathan Hale may be back, may not, as lead
- 6 vehicles available in multiplayer
- 3 of those vehicles fly

I wonder what church, if any, will be in this game :lol:

http://www.gamesradar.com/us/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?sectionId=1006&articleId=20071015102911171027&releaseId=20060322151646441093

[rollen]

According to the Surfer Girl weblog—a site with lots of rumors that have yet to be proven or disproven—Insomniac is working on a sequel to Resistance: Fall of Man that's "tentatively" planned for release November 2008. And there are some neat details, too. Since someone might read something as a spoiler, we'll list the alleged intel after the jump.

- Game takes place in US
- Locales include Chicago and San Francisco
- Sgt. Nathan Hale may be back, may not, as lead
- 6 vehicles available in multiplayer
- 3 of those vehicles fly

I wonder what church, if any, will be in this game :lol:

http://www.gamesradar.com/us/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?sectionId=1006&articleId=20071015102911171027&releaseId=20060322151646441093

dammit! i still have to finish the first one and there's already talk of a second! :cheesygri

[sfu_lifer]

dammit! i still have to finish the first one and there's already talk of a second! :cheesygri
GO finish it. It's worth it. I hope they make Nov of next year. I'm not holding my breath since we haven't seen much yet.

[nfnx]

can someone please tell me the diff between COD4, KILLZONE 2 and RESISTANCE??


are they all the same type of game??????


i want all of them but i dont knwo if they are the same type of game

im playin resistance 1 now an d love it

[sfu_lifer]

can someone please tell me the diff between COD4, KILLZONE 2 and RESISTANCE??


are they all the same type of game??????


i want all of them but i dont knwo if they are the same type of game

im playin resistance 1 now an d love it

They're all First Person Shooters so yes, same genre. Different story and different emphasis. If you want a great multiplayer experience, get COD4 (Killzone is unknown). I was on the 360 beta and it's more fun than Halo and Resistance and Warhawk IMHO.

[nfnx]

im refering to the multiplaeyr, are they all like teams, or are they like against the cpu


are there diff positions? or is everyone the same shooter... like medic airplane etc.

[Deals Deals Deals]

When is COD 4 for PS3 coming out?

[Badman]

just played the simpsons game and found it hard:|
Still a nice game but i was having a hard time with it.

[maebach]

nba 2k8 is a blast to play

[sfu_lifer]

just played the simpsons game and found it hard:|
Still a nice game but i was having a hard time with it.

Controls aren't the greatest. I hope they fix it up before releasing it (doubtful tho). Quite a few people complained on both 360 and PS3.

[CFRTim]

Here is the 40GB for NA for $399 USD at Target stores.
Reportedly, the system is all set to "officially" be released here on October 28th, and while we've no way of confirming, we're hearing that it may be bundled with the upcoming Spider-Man 3 flick, too

http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/16/40gb-playstation-3-shows-up-in-us-target-for-399

[jeffyjaixx]

Third highest week of sales since launch

PlayStation 3 hardware sales jumped 178 per cent last week with the introduction of two new SKUs, helping the system record its third highest week since launch in the UK.

Data supplied to GamesIndustry.biz reveals that although Sony's console enjoyed a considerable sales boost, Nintendo's DS was still the best-selling hardware system in the UK, followed by the Wii and then the PS3, with the Xbox 360 behind its home console rival.

Two new PS3 models were introduced to market last Wednesday. A 40GB model with less functions has gone on sale for GBP 299, and the 60GB model has been reduced to GBP 349, bundled with two free first-party games.

PS3 software has also enjoyed a resurgence, with Resistance: Fall of Man climbing the all-formats charts from 22 to eight, Heavenly Sword re-entering the top 40 at number 14, MotorStorm moving from 22 to 18, and Formula 1: Championship Edition also back in the official charts at number 24.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=29633

Seems like UK likes the new SKU and price drop.

[CFRTim]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=29633

Seems like UK likes the new SKU and price drop.

It's not the new 40GB SKU that is selling well, is the old 60GB ones, since they had a price reduction and supports some BC. Plus with the news of the 60GB being phased out, many gamers try to get one before it's too late. Also a 178% sale jump don't mean much in UK, since sells were VERY bad. How bad? more than half of total PS3 sells in UK occured in the first 4 weeks of it's launch.

[rahzel]

where does it say that?

edit: according to GS, 89% of the PS3's sold were 60GB's. but the value of the 60GB is also better than the 40GB as it includes at least 2 games and sometimes extras like more games or blu-ray movies for just ~$100US.

[nfnx]

3000th post!!!:|

ps3 is commin out with too many games my philosophy of only buying games when i finish the previous one is not working...


i hate buying games!

[bumboclott]

I don't have a PS3 yet and i'm contemplating between getting the 40GB or 60GB version.

BC is not too important to me, but why would you need 4 USB ports as opposed to 2 on the 40GB version?

[sfu_lifer]

I don't have a PS3 yet and i'm contemplating between getting the 40GB or 60GB version.

BC is not too important to me, but why would you need 4 USB ports as opposed to 2 on the 40GB version?

KB+Mouse. Rockband peripherals prolly would knock off a few ports too. Plus if you wanna use PS2 controllers, each one requires an adapter. Nothing you can't overcome with a hub but having four in the front is very handy.

[NuggyBuggy]

Nothing you can't overcome with a hub but having four in the front is very handy.Everytime I look at the cables hanging off the front of my PS3 to charge my controller and Bluetooth headset, I wonder why Sony didn't put a few USB ports in back as well. Would have cleaned up some of the mess.

[sfu_lifer]

Everytime I look at the cables hanging off the front of my PS3 to charge my controller and Bluetooth headset, I wonder why Sony didn't put a few USB ports in back as well. Would have cleaned up some of the mess.
Ya that's a minor beef for me as well. Wii has 2 in the back. 360 has one in the back. I guess with the size and weight of the PS3, Sony didn't expect you to go hunting around in the back very often.

[CFRTim]

Hold on to your suxaxis, there appears to be yet another PS3 SKU on the way. And it should be for this year, before the rumble SKUs are rolling out.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/skubar/yet-another-ps3-sku-on-the-way-311602.php

[CFRTim]

Maybe Dead Rising will be next since Capcom is trying to go multi-platform as much as they can

http://kotaku.com/gaming/exclusive-no-more/playstation-3-finds-lost-planet-311893.php

[sfu_lifer]

Maybe Dead Rising will be next since Capcom is trying to go multi-platform as much as they can

http://kotaku.com/gaming/exclusive-no-more/playstation-3-finds-lost-planet-311893.php

It's relatively easy money since they just have to port it to their multi-console engine. Plus by the time of release the PS3 userbase would've (hopefully) doubled.

[CFRTim]

It's relatively easy money since they just have to port it to their multi-console engine. Plus by the time of release the PS3 userbase would've (hopefully) doubled.

Doubled by early next year? :lol: :lol: SCE boss told SONY stockholders that 14 mil. PS3s will be sold by March 2008. That's more like triple

[sfu_lifer]

Doubled by early next year? :lol: :lol: SCE boss told SONY stockholders that 14 mil. PS3s will be sold by March 2008. That's more like triple
I'm sure they'll do some channel stuffing to hit those. Sony's "sold" still seems to be sold to retailers unlike Nintendo's sold to actual consumers numbers.

[rdtx2002]

I'm sure they'll do some channel stuffing to hit those. Sony's "sold" still seems to be sold to retailers unlike Nintendo's sold to actual consumers numbers.

umm.. you are incorrect. Sony has adopted the Nintendo 'way' starting last quarter

[sfu_lifer]

umm.. you are incorrect. Sony has adopted the Nintendo 'way' starting last quarter

Saw some statements, they didn't clarify "sold". Before their sold numbers were numbers shipped to warehouse distribution centers and not even sold to retailers. If you've got a link where they properly explain this number, please post it.

[rdtx2002]

Saw some statements, they didn't clarify "sold". Before their sold numbers were numbers shipped to warehouse distribution centers and not even sold to retailers. If you've got a link where they properly explain this number, please post it.

it's in the annual report. i'll find the link


*Beginning with the quarter ended June 30, 2007, the method of reporting hardware and software unit sales has been changed from production shipments to recorded sales

it's in their Q1 Earnings Report on sony.com