whats with homeless people begging for money on TTC lately?

[MizTEcK]

is it just me or this has really starting to become a trend? ppl asking for money for food etc. on ttc subways. I dont recall ever seen any of these, but this year alone i've encountered 5 of them already, and get this, last week i seen 2 at the sametime! :|

[Hanniganite]

I won't say they're common but certainly not rare...
There's a skinny crazy looking old guy at Bloor station often (usually end of staircase)
Then there's a young man (I'd say 20s ish) who goes around trains asking for change (I've seen at least 4-5 times at different stops)
And more recently this black woman who seems sorta crazy also...yelling out "I'm so hungryyyy! Can anyone help me?!" She pissed me off because I was sleeping (or trying to) and she whacked me on the shoulder/chest to ask for money.

[Montecore]

subway panhandling is very common , just last week I gave tokens to 2 runaways who needed to go to a shelter .

[NG]

I'd imagine they need money to stay alive.

[guest10586]

Panhandling has been around for a long time... You must live a sheltered existance...

[Jump]

I used to see this woman practically every day who'd come on the streetcar and yell "Can anyone spare me two dollars?" and people would pay up thinking she needs the money for a streetcar ride but she just takes the money and gets off. She usually holds up the driver too which gets people angry.

[Montecore]

Panhandling has been around for a long time... You must live a sheltered existance...
he must be from the 905 region .

[JimG]

Well I'm a 905er and frankly, all the homeless people in Toronto harrassing me for change (which I can't carry) is one of the reasons I avoid Toronto.

Jim

[devious9191]

Well I'm a 905er and frankly, all the homeless people in Toronto harrassing me for change (which I can't carry) is one of the reasons I avoid Toronto.

Jim

I hear you. The homeless are a plague on this country. I work and live near a mission.. it's disgusting the way these people choose to live (and they do make that choice)

[hightech05]

These people have a choice in every city in canada there is atleast a shelter and they choose to not take advantage.

[cheukiecfu]

i volunteered in Red Cross once... and one of the ladies there said these homeless pplz would rather go homeless than staying in one of those temporary shelters government provided....
and i understand that... but the problem is quite serious in the DT area...

[Montecore]

These people have a choice in every city in canada there is atleast a shelter and they choose to not take advantage.
the homeless has it pretty good compared to the poor in 3rd world countries like Africa , where they are dying of starvation on the streets of mass famine .

[quanta]

Queen St. streetcar: An old lady sometimes walks the aisles, asking for two dollars for a bottle of juice. I always want to shout at her, "Go to no frills and buy a 2L concentrate can for 70 cents!"

Soliciting on the TTC isn't legal, but it happens sometimes. It's extra annoying though, since you're tired and you certainly didn't pay to get hit up for cash.

BTW, I don't have much sympathy for panhandlers anymore. One "homeless" one actually lives in Parkdale, and every morning gets on the Queen streetcar (complete with cup of coffee, a pack of cigarettes and PET bottles of pop) to camp out at the TSX.

[Rogue_77]

What about that "shaky lady" I've read about in the sun a few months back, is she still around panhandling? She's the one I read that lives in a condo I think with leather chairs and big-a$$ tv

[guest10586]

I got panhandled by a guy on the street once. He asked me politely for money and I politely said I didn't have any (when I obviously did but didn't want to hand it out to him for booze). He then proceeded to complain about Asian people being cheapskates... (I should have told him I visit RFD often).

[Montecore]

I got panhandled by a guy on the street once. He asked me politely for money and I politely said I didn't have any (when I obviously did but didn't want to hand it out to him for booze). He then proceeded to complain about Asian people being cheapskates... (I should have told him I visit RFD often).
was the panhandler white? most of them are .

[guest10586]

was the panhandler white? most of them are .

No, Aboriginal...Native... (I don't know how you refer to them in a pc way anymore).

[CodecX81]

I saw one guy panhandling at St. Andrew (always someone there.. always)

but since its summer time, he now brings his dog. its a pretty cute dog. Like the littlest hobo. but moreso like a husky. He just sleeps on his blanket while the guy collects change. It pulled on my heartstrings a bit. Then I realized wtf. this guy has a dog and he's homeless. How irresponsible.

My favorite thus far is the guy that says "merci beaucoup" to everyone, regardless if they give him change or not.

My hated rival, is the girl that hangs outside of Osgoode or St. Andrew station, with her high pitched voice saying:

"Spare some change please?"
"Spare some change?"
"Spare some change anyone?"
"Spare some change please? Have a great day!"

Just annoying voice. not as squeaky as that girl from YTV.. but just as high pitched. I once replied and said, sorry, no change. and she came back to me with a smart-ass tone like:

"Yea, no change eh, you must be really hard for luck"

Seriously. you are homeless. I go home, and sleep in a bed. you have a box. 2 boxes if ur lucky. Don't press your luck, someones going to come along and bootf*ck ya with a mouth like that.

Also.. I saw her with a backpack full of convenience store sandwiches..for a homeless person, not very thrifty.

[MizTEcK]

im not talking about the regulars, like the weird skinny old guy at the bottom level of Bloor. im talking about them walking through carts on the subway trains, disturbing the *&^(& outta everyone

[MizTEcK]

Also.. I saw her with a backpack full of convenience store sandwiches..for a homeless person, not very thrifty.

5 bux they're stolen

[McLaren]

I have a daily hobo that holds the door open for you after 4pm at Queen station entrance. I of course walk through the door that he holds open and dont give change while others use the other door to avoid him. Of course i dont make eye contact, so it's all good... dont have to touch the germ-infested door handle.

[CodecX81]

I have a daily hobo that holds the door open for you after 4pm at Queen station entrance. I of course walk through the door that he holds open and dont give change while others use the other door to avoid him. Of course i dont make eye contact, so it's all good... dont have to touch the germ-infested door handle.

Haha yea!! the door holders.. they sure do work hard for their money.. I enjoy walking on through, myself.

I seriously have a vendetta against them. I want to put a tracer on each one I see, and hunt them for a week. or give them cyanide tipped nickels.

Or gas them til they're unconsious, load them up on a freight and ship them randomly to farms and make them work.

[googoo]

They may not have any money, but they aren't thousands of dollars in debt.

Lots of people own homes and have $100 000 mortgages, but they try to make you feel cheap! UGH!

Brent

[Yukikaze]

I met the sticker lady at Eaton Center there was a thread back while ago about this. I didn't give her any money at all or even for the stickers. So is she really that well rich?

[ephemera]

Don't give ANY money to the panhandlers ever. That will stop them asking for it. Why work when you can make a hundred bux a day begging for cash?

[vancouverforsale]

I'd imagine they need money to stay alive.

Indeed. Pretty hard thing to do when other humanes make threads like this and don't want them to stay alive, aren't we glad north americans don't live in africa? They'd start building gas chambers like Hitler.

[vancouverforsale]

Don't give ANY money to the panhandlers ever. That will stop them asking for it. Why work when you can make a hundred bux a day begging for cash?

Are you really that ignorant? So, you're telling us that a homeless person will automatically have a full stomach 24/7 when no one gives them money? Go hate the poor somewhere else, how about in Nazi Germany? I'll go build you a time machine, and stay there.

Oh, I know you're going to return a comment with, "Oh, they just want drugs." I wonder why? Ever heard of treating poor people humanely (and not like the animals you put on your dinner plate)? People want drugs, to heal their pain, poor people can't afford prescription drugs, nor can they afford TV, Alcohol, Caffeine, Cigarettes and any other drugs wealthy north americans use to numb themselves.

[MizTEcK]

there are something called JOBS, dont give me the crap about no one would hire them, if they wanted to work there are plenty of programs made with OUR tax dollars that would hook them up with jobs. Granted these jobs might mostly be low paid labour jobs, but still even I worked labour jobs, in fact i still have one right now. Its the fact they refuse to work and just mooch off the system AS WELL AS HARRASSING OTHERS FOR MONEY

[d_jedi]

OMG. I've seen each and every one of the beggars described so far in this thread :->

The black woman who asks for $2 is the worst. She's such a b*tch.. she goes to each and every person on a subway car.. does not let them ignore her (I was reading a book, and she stuck her hand right in my face.. F*CK YOU!).. and once, I saw someone break down and gave her a quarter.. THEN SHE PROCEEDED TO YELL AT THE PERSON THAT SHE ASKED FOR $2!!

Just thinking of that b*tch gives me all the reason I need to NEVER give money to beggars.

[devious9191]

Are you really that ignorant? So, you're telling us that a homeless person with automatically have a full stomach 24/7 when no one gives them money? Go hate the poor somewhere else, how about in Nazi Germany? I'll go build you a time machine, and stay there.

What excuse does an able bodied person have to be homeless exactly? There are programs in every major city sponsored by the tax payer to provide housing, food, addiction programs, as well as job finding assistance. In many cases, the government will subsidize the wage of a person that you hire that is on one of these programs (first 6 weeks anyways).

[MizTEcK]

OMG. I've seen each and every one of the beggars described so far in this thread :->

The black woman who asks for $2 is the worst. She's such a b*tch.. she goes to each and every person on a subway car.. does not let them ignore her (I was reading a book, and she stuck her hand right in my face.. F*CK YOU!).. and once, I saw someone break down and gave her a quarter.. THEN SHE PROCEEDED TO YELL AT THE PERSON THAT SHE ASKED FOR $2!!

Just thinking of that b*tch gives me all the reason I need to NEVER give money to beggars.

YES! that ****in ***** o wow, how i hate her

[vancouverforsale]

there are something called JOBS, dont give me the crap about no one would hire them, if they wanted to work there are plenty of programs made with OUR tax dollars that would hook them up with jobs. Granted these jobs might mostly be low paid labour jobs, but still even I worked labour jobs, in fact i still have one right now. Its the fact they refuse to work and just mooch off the system AS WELL AS HARRASSING OTHERS FOR MONEY

Go be homeless and tell me how easy it is to find a full time job (many people already have day to day labour jobs). I don't want you to have a few thousand in the bank either. I'm not even homeless and it's hard to find a job. I also just met someone recently who has a LAW DEGREE and she can't even get a job in her profession, she does have a job, but not at what she spent 70K to do. If you're going to spout off hate (whether you know it or not) And ignorance toward poor people, just like a KKK member would do about a asian person, go and talk to them or agencies that deal with them. The fascism related to poor people being wiped out around the earth isn't going to stop until you open your eyes, mind and heart. How low can you go, hating members off your own human family, for no real reason? That's pathetic. Grab a brain, and how about a heart while your at it? Forget the job part, you have more important things to do.

PS: What are you going to do next? "Stupid guy in a wheelchair. [kicks him out] Go LEARN to walk you lazy ****!" Is that it?

[MizTEcK]

Go be homeless and tell me how easy it is to find a job. I don't want you to have a few thousand in the bank either. I'm not even homeless and it's hard to find a job. I also just met someone recently who has a LAW DEGREE and she can't even get a job in her profession, she does have a job, but not at what she spent 70K to do. If you're going to spout off hate (whether you know it or not) And ignorance toward poor people, just like a KKK member would do about a asian person, go and talk to them or agencies that deal with them. The fascism related to poor people being wiped out around the earth isn't going to stop until you open your eyes, mind and heart. How low can you go, hating members off your own human family, for no real reason? That's pathetic. Grab a brain, and how about a heart while your at it? Forget the job part, you have more important things to do.

what the hell u talking about, you have any idea how many *jobs* are there? here's a fact, a labourer is a job, a house painter is a job, window cleaner is a job. and here's another idea, jobs aren't all limited to lawyers, doctors and the rest what not professional ones, get some real idea, check out the local job postings, it takes a resturant more than 6 months to find someone who wants to fill a shift because of the low paying salary. My store spent 7 months looking for a general labourer because everyone's too picky about its location and low wage. THERE ARE TONS OF JOBS ok? most of these homeless people are able bodied enough to take on any of these jobs i had just described. Instead of leeching off everyone else, why can't they just get off their asses and start working?

[edit] P.S.: am i talking about physically disadvantaged people? no, im talkin about hobos on the street that hustles for few dollars then run around getting food and getting drunk, get a brain dude and stop trolling with sorry ass arguements

[devious9191]

Go be homeless and tell me how easy it is to find a job. I don't want you to have a few thousand in the bank either. I'm not even homeless and it's hard to find a job. I also just met someone recently who has a LAW DEGREE and she can't even get a job in her profession, she does have a job, but not at what she spent 70K to do. If you're going to spout off hate (whether you know it or not) And ignorance toward poor people, just like a KKK member would do about a asian person, go and talk to them or agencies that deal with them. The fascism related to poor people being wiped out around the earth isn't going to stop until you open your eyes, mind and heart. How low can you go, hating members off your own human family, for no real reason? That's pathetic. Grab a brain, and how about a heart while your at it? Forget the job part, you have more important things to do.

PS: What are you going to do next? "Stupid guy in a wheelchair. [kicks him out] Go LEARN to walk you lazy ****!" Is that it?

We don't live in a third world country where there is no solution to homelessness. There are jobs available, and programs in place to help people find jobs. Granted, you may be making minimum wage, but at least you're not preying on the rest of society.

[CodecX81]

Go be homeless and tell me how easy it is to find a job. I don't want you to have a few thousand in the bank either. I'm not even homeless and it's hard to find a job. I also just met someone recently who has a LAW DEGREE and she can't even get a job in her profession, she does have a job, but not at what she spent 70K to do.


Tell your friend to clean themselves up and then let them use your computer to go here:

http://www.tloma.on.ca/resources/classifieds.html

And I hope they have a great life from here on in.

If they need help with resumes, pm me. I can review it and make suggestions.

Coming from a family whose members try time and time again to cheat the system, and succeed due to lame circumstances, disgusts me.

I work for a living, and I expect everyone to find their place as a functioning member of society. People are lazy & take far too many shortcuts.

The system is broken and I do believe that an iron hand should be used when you have an able bodied person who is homeless. If they refuse to work, or live in a shelter we have a perfectly good army and recruiting armories all over toronto to accomodate them. Free education, military service and 3 squares a day.

I vowed that if I ever became in a position where I could not find a job, I'd join the reserves and I think that option should be explored by anyone in that position.

[vancouverforsale]

what the hell u talking about, you have any idea how many *jobs* are there? here's a fact, a labourer is a job, a house painter is a job, window cleaner is a job. and here's another idea, jobs aren't all limited to lawyers, doctors and the rest what not professional ones, get some real idea, check out the local job postings, it takes a resturant more than 6 months to find someone who wants to fill a shift because of the low paying salary. My store spent 7 months looking for a general labourer because everyone's too picky about its location and low wage. THERE ARE TONS OF JOBS ok? most of these homeless people are able bodied enough to take on any of these jobs i had just described. Instead of leeching off everyone else, why can't they just get off their asses and start working?

yes, jobs are in the paper every week, however, a job isn't going to hire you regardless if you don't habe the experience they want and need. Besides, it doesn't matter if you have the experience they want or need, for whatever reason, they don't pick certain people (mostly non-white) and pick white people instead in most cases. For the record, there is not a job for every person in Canada or North America, if you actually educated yourself, you'd know this. Yes, there can be a job for every north american, but do you think companies are going to dip into their selfish profit margins? No. Besides, they love laughing at stupid people like yourself, who hate poor people, when these companies maintain them in that place. It's the common "divide and conquer" method, you allow the working/middle class to hate the poor class and the working/middle class will never know why it exists, hatred creates stupidity, which you are so fond of. Why do you think the KKK is not that relevent anymore as a visual form of racism? It's because racists are smarter: they've learned they need to hide their racism. They also realize that a large portion of the population is more aware and educated and realize that racism is stupid. When is hatred toward women, poor people, larger humans, going to be another issue that will cease to exist?

[McLaren]

Yeah have your friend open up their own practice... they can call it "I can't believe it's a lawfirm!" and as a side business do shoe repair at the same time, courtesy of Lionel Hutz

[vancouverforsale]

Tell your friend to clean themselves up and then let them use your computer to go here:

http://www.tloma.on.ca/resources/classifieds.html

And I hope they have a great life from here on in.

If they need help with resumes, pm me. I can review it and make suggestions.

it's not a friend, it's someone I've met. They are too busy with TWO JOBS to pay off the 70K, one is full time, and one is part-time. It's laughable that you're so stupid that you need to tell them to get a job too, when they already have TWO.

[d_jedi]

BTW: I believe this "aggressive panhandling" (which includes ANY panhandling on a public transit vehicle) is illegal (http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/DBLaws/Statutes/English/99s08_e.htm)
Although I'll bet if you push the yellow emergency bar on the subway, it'll cause much more trouble than it's worth..

[vancouverforsale]

Yeah have your friend open up their own practice... they can call it "I can't believe it's a lawfirm!" and as a side business do shoe repair at the same time, courtesy of Lionel Hutz

Nice try, when you're paying off 70k debt. Do you think everyone is wealthy enough to do that right away? No. We don't all come from families with 500K incomes.

[MizTEcK]

yes, jobs are in the paper every week, however, a job isn't going to hire you regardless if you don't habe the experience they want and need. Besides, it doesn't matter if you have the experience they want or need, for whatever reason, they don't pick certain people (mostly non-white) and pick white people instead in most cases. For the record, there is not a job for every person in Canada or North America, if you actually educated yourself, you'd know this. Yes, there can be a job for every north american, but do you think companies are going to dip into their selfish profit margins? No. Besides, they love laughing at stupid people like yourself, who hate poor people, when these companies maintain them in that place. It's the common "divide and conquer" method, you allow the working/middle class to hate the poor class and the working/middle class will never know why it exists, hatred creates stupidity, which you are so fond of. Why do you think the KKK is not that relevent anymore as a visual form of racism? It's because racists are smarter: they've learned they need to hide their racism. They also realize that a large portion of the population is more aware and educated and realize that racism is stupid. When is hatred toward women, poor people, larger humans, going to be another issue that will cease to exist?

what the hell does racism have to do with being homeless? u have any idea how many white people are homeless in toronto? u know what, im not even going to try to reason with your "arguement". Enjoy feeding off the leeches of society

[devious9191]

it's not a friend, it's someone I've met. They are too busy with TWO JOBS to pay off the 70K, one is full time, and one is part-time. It's laughable that you're so stupid that you need to tell them to get a job too, when they already have TWO.

Easy on the personal attacks...

[vancouverforsale]

BTW: I believe this "aggressive panhandling" (which includes ANY panhandling on a public transit vehicle) is illegal (http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/DBLaws/Statutes/English/99s08_e.htm)
Although I'll bet if you push the yellow emergency bar on the subway, it'll cause much more trouble than it's worth..

Yeah, it's illegal. Agressive Advertising should also be illegal. I understand a company has to keep making money to make products and give employees jobs, but this ******** of brainwashing you with their propaganda to buy their **** is worse then agressive panhandling. Do you want me to name 100 brand names off the top of my head that have been brainwashed into my head?

[MizTEcK]

it's not a friend, it's someone I've met. They are too busy with TWO JOBS to pay off the 70K, one is full time, and one is part-time. It's laughable that you're so stupid that you need to tell them to get a job too, when they already have TWO.
are they homeless? are they hustling other's for money? if not then they are not the people im telling to get a job in this thread, O WOW this is the last time i'll respond to your comments, rediculous

[akito925]

Go be homeless and tell me how easy it is to find a full time job (many people already have day to day labour jobs). I don't want you to have a few thousand in the bank either. I'm not even homeless and it's hard to find a job. I also just met someone recently who has a LAW DEGREE and she can't even get a job in her profession, she does have a job, but not at what she spent 70K to do. If you're going to spout off hate (whether you know it or not) And ignorance toward poor people, just like a KKK member would do about a asian person, go and talk to them or agencies that deal with them. The fascism related to poor people being wiped out around the earth isn't going to stop until you open your eyes, mind and heart. How low can you go, hating members off your own human family, for no real reason? That's pathetic. Grab a brain, and how about a heart while your at it? Forget the job part, you have more important things to do.

PS: What are you going to do next? "Stupid guy in a wheelchair. [kicks him out] Go LEARN to walk you lazy ****!" Is that it?

that lawer ain't looking too hard. or not looking at the right places.. what about the hidden market? what about volinterring?? what about temp jobs??

Ive been working at alot of odds and ends jobs 2-3 jobs a week, everyone is too picky about the jobs. just pick one and do it! I didn't find my perfect job till now.. i was hired as a temp for a bit and now work full time..

have you seen that homeless guy that has a dog and a cat?? he makes alot of people feed his dog, and cat. bringing food everyday to him, he sits at the same corner. that corner I'd think simcoe and front st. close to union station and that corner is very popular they fight with other homeless for that corner cuz.. my guess is the best spot to get money.. the thing is.. the guy is homeless and he can't support himself very well. and has a dog and a cat with him.. i could understand it keeps him company, and warm is my guess..

[CodecX81]

it's not a friend, it's someone I've met. They are too busy with TWO JOBS to pay off the 70K, one is full time, and one is part-time. It's laughable that you're so stupid that you need to tell them to get a job too, when they already have TWO.

Ok..no... since they have a background of law, it was a gesture of resources to give a site which specialized in the field of law. If they have 2 jobs trying to make ends meet, perhaps a single job as a lawclerk or an apprentice law student would be more fitting. Get it?

[d_jedi]

Do you want me to name 100 brand names off the top of my head that have been brainwashed into my head?
No, I don't because that's completely off topic.. if you really care, start a thread about it.

[vancouverforsale]

what the hell does racism have to do with being homeless? u have any idea how many white people are homeless in toronto? u know what, im not even going to try to reason with your "arguement". Enjoy feeding off the leeches of society

For the record, just because there are a few white people whom are homeless, that doesn't mean there are no people of color who are homeless, some people are houseless, some people live with 15 people in a house, and on it goes. The ones on the street are the poorest and most attacked members of society, for the same reason that a father (some) likes to attack his own kids, because it's fun, and easy to do.

[MizTEcK]

Ok..no... since they have a background of law, it was a gesture of resources to give a site which specialized in the field of law. If they have 2 jobs trying to make ends meet, perhaps a single job as a lawclerk or an apprentice law student would be more fitting. Get it?
its the fact hes mixing up regular people whos simply poor with the homeless hobos who panhandles on the subway, :confused:

[vancouverforsale]

No, I don't because that's completely off topic.. if you really care, start a thread about it.

Actually, it's not off topic, I was trying to make a point. I'm signing you up for conversations 101 at the local university.

[vancouverforsale]

Ok..no... since they have a background of law, it was a gesture of resources to give a site which specialized in the field of law. If they have 2 jobs trying to make ends meet, perhaps a single job as a lawclerk or an apprentice law student would be more fitting. Get it?

They are actually doing something in the field right now, but it's not exactly what they did in school from what I know.

[CodecX81]

its the fact hes mixing up regular people whos simply poor with the homeless hobos who panhandles on the subway, :confused:

yea, you are right that is off topic. I should've pm'd him

But yea. I still stand by my point of the people who panhandle, although some are far gone.. ... some people.. say 18-34 should still have an able body to be conscripts.

[ah802]

In my area (downtown) I could go broke just walking a few blocks. Seriously I get hit at least 3 times per block in my area, and then they look at you visciously if you don't give them a dime. I've even had guys say to me... pay me now or I'll rob you tonight.

I guess I'm not angered as much, when I see the 'real' homeless... they don't have a lot of choices. It's the teen's from the subs looking for freebies and the excitment of street life, or the one's who don't want to follow their parents house rules. Or the ones on an adventure and want to use someone elses money. I feel there is enough services around to genuinely help those in need, who want help. Those too crazy to understand that, need to handled in a different way.. shame the rules are not quite right.

Women on the street are the worst, we deny women equality for the most part, but they get a full share of misery when it comes to the street.

[vancouverforsale]

that lawer ain't looking too hard. or not looking at the right places.. what about the hidden market? what about volinterring?? what about temp jobs??

Ive been working at alot of odds and ends jobs 2-3 jobs a week, everyone is too picky about the jobs. just pick one and do it! I didn't find my perfect job till now.. i was hired as a temp for a bit and now work full time..

have you seen that homeless guy that has a dog and a cat?? he makes alot of people feed his dog, and cat. bringing food everyday to him, he sits at the same corner. that corner I'd think simcoe and front st. close to union station and that corner is very popular they fight with other homeless for that corner cuz.. my guess is the best spot to get money.. the thing is.. the guy is homeless and he can't support himself very well. and has a dog and a cat with him.. i could understand it keeps him company, and warm is my guess..


Why are you telling me this? Go tell someone who cares. I MET this person with a law degree, I'm not their friend. I had a lengthy discussion with them.

[vancouverforsale]

FOR THE RECORD, READ THIS.

I have finally realized that ignorant, and hatred filled people (like the previous posts) will not change their opinion with outside help, they must do it from within, and considering you guys aren't that intelligent (finding a job doesn't count guys, I'm talking about using your brain), being ignorant and hatred filled is going to be with you for the rest of your lives. Keep hating the people who need a hand, keep hating the disabled, keep hating someone with a different skin color, keep hating people who are obese, keep hating seniors and children (ever research what society is doing to them? didn't think so.)

I've finally realized: YOU CAN'T CHANGE A STUPID MAN. HE CAN ONLY CHANGE HIMSELF.

You've saved me about 20 years of my life conversing with people who don't use their brains inconjunction with their hearts (try it sometime), try being a free/critical thinker, maybe thins up in your ding-a-ling will actually start to work.

For the time being, I'm wondering if anyone wants to go for a couple FREE BEERS? I am paying. It's the least I could do for you helping me realize that stupid people will never fully think, so why waste my life talking to them?

PS: ONE SIZE DOES *NOT* FIT ALL. I hope someone is intelligent to read between the lines and figure that out.

[chickenbones]

My friend knows some guy who quit school to go pan handling, it works best if you are a girl. Good money but not a lot of room for promotions tho.

[CodecX81]

You've saved me about 20 years of my life conversing with people who don't use their brains inconjunction with their hearts (try it sometime)

well.

The Autonomic Nervous System is the division of the nervous system that regulates our visceral functions, such as the heartbeat, and gland activity. It is also known as the Involuntary Nervous System since it is not under our control; as we cannot decide how fast or how slow our heart should beat.

http://www.childrensheartinstitute.org/images/educate/heartwrk/nervpara.gif

[MizTEcK]

brainless troll ruined thread, moving on

[MizTEcK]

I've finally realized: YOU CAN'T CHANGE A STUPID MAN. HE CAN ONLY CHANGE HIMSELF.

ditto... :rolleyes:

[aquariaguy]

I once saw a man panhandling at Union station. I followed him up to the street, and on the way he went into LCBO (LCBO under union station) where he bought 2 bottles of Smirnoff. I was like.....shocked. Oh well i never give them money cuz most of 'em smell like alcohol.

[d_jedi]

I once saw a man panhandling at Union station. I followed him up to the street, and on the way he went into LCBO (LCBO under union station) where he bought 2 bottles of Smirnoff. I was like.....shocked. Oh well i never give them money cuz most of 'em smell like alcohol.
:eek: You mean homeless people panhandle to.. gasp.. buy alcohol? :eek:

[mochachicka]

I met the sticker lady at Eaton Center there was a thread back while ago about this. I didn't give her any money at all or even for the stickers. So is she really that well rich?

I've encountered her several times..she always says "stickers for all the pretty ladies" . So she's rich apparently?

[MizTEcK]

i think there was a report or something that discovered she was wealthy

[mochachicka]

i think there was a report or something that discovered she was wealthy

yeah right...I had no idea that she was "famous" either.

[15-20_God]

You guys make it sound like its easy to get off the street. Most ppl live on the street for various reasons, most have mental problems and fall through the social safety net. Most of the time it was not by choice, but by now its become a means.

Its not easy to get a job, you have immigrants with professional degrees and years of experience working menial jobs to make ends meet, ppl working at minimum wage are still below the poverty line. How would you expect a person without an education, an address, experience, to find a job? How do you expect them to be hired when everyone looks down on them like most of you do?

I rarely give money to panhandlers, however I do donate and volunteer to organizations that help the less fortunate. Maybe some of you young ppl should consider this, it will be an eye-opener.

[MizTEcK]

You guys make it sound like its easy to get off the street. Most ppl live on the street for various reasons, most have mental problems and fall through the social safety net. Most of the time it was not by choice, but by now its become a means.

Its not easy to get a job, you have immigrants with professional degrees and years of experience working menial jobs to make ends meet, ppl working at minimum wage are still below the poverty line. How would you expect a person without an education, an address, experience, to find a job? How do you expect them to be hired when everyone looks down on them like most of you do?

I rarely give money to panhandlers, however I do donate and volunteer to organizations that help the less fortunate. Maybe some of you young ppl should consider this, it will be an eye-opener.

not talking about homeless people, im talking about the beggers on the subway who are obviously able-bodied and panhandling. I agree its hard on the streets and what not, but there are plenty services in canada that helps them, but that's beside my point in this thread. The few regulars on the TTC subway trains are healthy people who can scream on top of their lungs for change, they can get low end jobs easily, it might not get them wealthy or what not, but at least they will have money to feed themselves instead of just hustling for change

[guest10586]

You guys make it sound like its easy to get off the street. Most ppl live on the street for various reasons, most have mental problems and fall through the social safety net. Most of the time it was not by choice, but by now its become a means.

Its not easy to get a job, you have immigrants with professional degrees and years of experience working menial jobs to make ends meet, ppl working at minimum wage are still below the poverty line. How would you expect a person without an education, an address, experience, to find a job? How do you expect them to be hired when everyone looks down on them like most of you do?

I rarely give money to panhandlers, however I do donate and volunteer to organizations that help the less fortunate. Maybe some of you young ppl should consider this, it will be an eye-opener.

I volunteer too but it is still no reason to give a guy who looks like he is going to spend money on smokes or alcohol money. It would be better to give him food or something he can't waste it on.

[actuary]

Just thought I'd add a tidbit of information.

Before Mel Lastmen became mayor, there was very little homeless people on the streets of Toronto. In the 90's, Mel had the brilliant idea of incorporating mental patients into society through half-way houses. He closed all the mental institutions and moved all the patients to half-way houses set up across Toronto.

The idea was that through the half-way houses, the mentally ill patients would be able to integrate into society. The houses would help find them jobs and give them support. Unfortunately, it didn't take. Most of the patients were too unstable to be integrated into society and ended up leaving the houses to live on the street.

The majority of the homeless on the street today are those same mentally unstable patients that Mel decided to 'integrate' into society.

[15-20_God]

not talking about homeless people, im talking about the beggers on the subway who are obviously able-bodied and panhandling. I agree its hard on the streets and what not, but there are plenty services in canada that helps them, but that's beside my point in this thread. The few regulars on the TTC subway trains are healthy people who can scream on top of their lungs for change, they can get low end jobs easily, it might not get them wealthy or what not, but at least they will have money to feed themselves instead of just hustling for change

Where are these low end jobs that they are qualified to do? Able-bodied does not mean able-minded.

[MizTEcK]

Just thought I'd add a tidbit of information.

Before Mel Lastmen became mayor, there was very little homeless people on the streets of Toronto. In the 90's, Mel had the brilliant idea of incorporating mental patients into society through half-way houses. He closed all the mental institutions and moved all the patients to half-way houses set up across Toronto.

The idea was that through the half-way houses, the mentally ill patients would be able to integrate into society. The houses would help find them jo

bs and give them support. Unfortunately, it didn't take. Most of the patients were too unstable to be integrated into society and ended up leaving the houses to live on the street.

The majority of the homeless on the street today are those same mentally unstable patients that Mel decided to 'integrate' into society.

oh, makes sense

[WiZZLa]

No, Aboriginal...Native... (I don't know how you refer to them in a pc way anymore).
First Nation

[alleycat8675309]

Saw 2 young men car window washers in Vancouver at the Main St. Station bus stop (southbound). They do the windows for an asian lady who is with her young daughter in her car. Probably a newer resident of the lower mainland, else she would have just ignored them. Probably a little intimidated by them. Anyways she gives them a box of chinese bakery good. Look like they were buns with red bean paste (admittedly not something everybody will like, but that's all she had). So the guy cracks open the box takes a look and promptly tosses it into the garbage can. You're welcome A**holes.

[MizTEcK]

Saw 2 young men car window washers in Vancouver at the Main St. Station bus stop (southbound). They do the windows for an asian lady who is with her young daughter in her car. Probably a newer resident of the lower mainland, else she would have just ignored them. Probably a little intimidated by them. Anyways she gives them a box of chinese bakery good. Look like they were buns with red bean paste (admittedly not something everybody will like, but that's all she had). So the guy cracks open the box takes a look and promptly tosses it into the garbage can. You're welcome A**holes.
punks, those are deliciouis!!! :evil:

[ephemera]

For the record, just because there are a few white people whom are homeless, that doesn't mean there are no people of color who are homeless, some people are houseless, some people live with 15 people in a house, and on it goes. The ones on the street are the poorest and most attacked members of society, for the same reason that a father (some) likes to attack his own kids, because it's fun, and easy to do.

Oh man...

Many of those that are homeless are drug addicts. Their families finally gave up on them because they would steal to support their habits. Others are alchoholics who cannot stop.

You bring up racism but it has nothing to do with this, since most homeless ARE white. They certainly can get a job if they tried hard enough. There are plenty of jobs out there, Most are low paying, but you need to work to survive!

Way back whenever, there was no welfare, people had to make do, support themselves.

When a mother bird has chicks, she feeds them until they are strong enough, then throws them out of the tree, you either fly or you fall and die.

If someone sleeps on the street, they don't have an adress and cannot get welfare, If you have a disability and cannot work, you can get about $1000 a month from welfare. Thats pretty good money to live on since your not paying for ttc/go train. etc.

Don't just think people are ignorant, I think I have more personal experience with this than you. I have had friends that CHOSE to sleep in parks during the summer months on weekends for FUN, so they can get high and drink and be away from their parents, then monday they go back home.

I see many 'homeless' wearing nike jackets or nice shoes, begging for money, when they most likely have more than me because I have to support a family!

When the time comes when YOU too have to support a family and put food on the table, you WILL get a job that day, you will even get 3 jobs, so your family survives. Its survival, you either survive or you give up. Its your choice, the government is not there to hold your hand thru life.

[d_jedi]

You bring up racism but it has nothing to do with this, since most homeless ARE white. They certainly can get a job if they tried hard enough. There are plenty of jobs out there, Most are low paying, but you need to work to survive!
And white people can't be the victims of racism?

[tinlunlau]

i was walking to pacific mall one day and this white lady comes up to me for change. she was muttering something and then, she clearly said she wanted $5 bucks to take the GO train.

she was kinda....dressed kinda messy. i gave her 2 and said that i'm tight on cash. i never thought that hobo's would be uptown. but oh well...

[bigdaddyyc]

FOR THE RECORD, READ THIS.

I have finally realized that ignorant, and hatred filled people (like the previous posts) will not change their opinion with outside help, they must do it from within, and considering you guys aren't that intelligent (finding a job doesn't count guys, I'm talking about using your brain), being ignorant and hatred filled is going to be with you for the rest of your lives. Keep hating the people who need a hand, keep hating the disabled, keep hating someone with a different skin color, keep hating people who are obese, keep hating seniors and children (ever research what society is doing to them? didn't think so.)

I've finally realized: YOU CAN'T CHANGE A STUPID MAN. HE CAN ONLY CHANGE HIMSELF.

You've saved me about 20 years of my life conversing with people who don't use their brains inconjunction with their hearts (try it sometime), try being a free/critical thinker, maybe thins up in your ding-a-ling will actually start to work.

For the time being, I'm wondering if anyone wants to go for a couple FREE BEERS? I am paying. It's the least I could do for you helping me realize that stupid people will never fully think, so why waste my life talking to them?

PS: ONE SIZE DOES *NOT* FIT ALL. I hope someone is intelligent to read between the lines and figure that out.


Why are you calling others stupid in this thread? they have an opinion like you. If they are so stupid, and your so bright, you could communicate your genious points effectively on thier 'stupid' level so they can understand. Obviously, this is not the case.

On the topic, I don't see how anyone could get homeless in the first place in our society. Maybe some extreme cases (like herb from the simpsons :) ), but you have to face the facts that most homeless people were lazy during the course of thier lives (including schooling). If they wanted to become engineers, teachers, or even apprenticeship in one of the trades, they could've done so with medium effort in high school (school is legaly provided by the government and must be attended up to the age of 16, so that is not an excuse in Canada).

The real poor and homeless that I feel Jesus is refering to in the Bible would be those in the 3rd world countries, not those living in toronto ontario who God gave an opportunity the people in the global south dream of (allusion from bible: parable of talents... if your landlord gives you 5000 to invest, making another 5000 is looked highly upon by your landlord, if your trusted with 1000 and return with 2000, the landlord will be extremely happy with what you have done. The homeless in Toronto were given plenty by God and made nothing out of it.)

Sorry I had to bring the bible into this, but regardless if you are Christian or not, I feel that passage has a good message. If you are not Christian, at least try to see some legitimacy in my points :)

[UrbanPoet]

I hear you. The homeless are a plague on this country. I work and live near a mission.. it's disgusting the way these people choose to live (and they do make that choice)

how do u know?

[15-20_God]

i was walking to pacific mall one day and this white lady comes up to me for change. she was muttering something and then, she clearly said she wanted $5 bucks to take the GO train.

she was kinda....dressed kinda messy. i gave her 2 and said that i'm tight on cash. i never thought that hobo's would be uptown. but oh well...

She frequents that area, i've come across her at metro square looking for a toonie to get to finch station.

[15-20_God]

On the topic, I don't see how anyone could get homeless in the first place in our society. Maybe some extreme cases (like herb from the simpsons :) ), but you have to face the facts that most homeless people were lazy during the course of thier lives (including schooling). If they wanted to become engineers, teachers, or even apprenticeship in one of the trades, they could've done so with medium effort in high school (school is legaly provided by the government and must be attended up to the age of 16, so that is not an excuse in Canada)

Not everyone grows up in a perfect society. Ppl are dealt bad hands in life, broken home, addiction, mental illness, living beyond their means. Many homeless ppl had steady jobs before they lived on the streets, but things happen in life and living on the streets is basic survival for some ppl. Don't attribute it to laziness.

[MrDisco]

On the topic, I don't see how anyone could get homeless in the first place in our society. Maybe some extreme cases (like herb from the simpsons :) ), but you have to face the facts that most homeless people were lazy during the course of thier lives (including schooling).

please provide a source of these 'facts'. i'm guessing there are none in which case this is just more hyperbole..just about on par for rfd.

yes there are those who just give up on life but there are also the mentally ill, abused kids, addicts, etc. lumping them all as lazy is just ignorant.

if we really wanted to tackle the problem we look at root causes. maybe provide more funding (and more importantly train specialized personal) for looking after the ill, take a harsh stand on dealers, provide real protection for the abused, etc. want to take things even further? how about chaning the school system to catch troubled kids and place them in fields which they show interest in. lets make sleeping on the street illegal with the penalty being placed in an institution appropriate to the person.

just by saying 'go get a job' is not going to solve the problem.

[BuddyGuy]

She frequents that area, i've come across her at metro square looking for a toonie to get to finch station.

Hold on.. was she wearing a long coat?

[tinlunlau]

Hold on.. was she wearing a long coat?

don't think she was but it looked like her shirt was a little loose and she wasn't wearing a bra. normally, i stare at that area if she was a young perky chick (lol!) but she just looked so dirty, i didn't have the nerve to do so....gave me the chills too...

[othermike]

I won't say they're common but certainly not rare...
There's a skinny crazy looking old guy at Bloor station often (usually end of staircase)
Then there's a young man (I'd say 20s ish) who goes around trains asking for change (I've seen at least 4-5 times at different stops)
And more recently this black woman who seems sorta crazy also...yelling out "I'm so hungryyyy! Can anyone help me?!" She pissed me off because I was sleeping (or trying to) and she whacked me on the shoulder/chest to ask for money.

I saw that woman too.. she grabbed a water bottle out of someone's hand and they fought over it, emptying it on the floor.. it would've been kinda funny if she didn't seem so totally cracked out

[webdoctors]

hey, why can't these homeless go overseas and teach english? they get an apartment, airfare, food, and just have to chat. They don't even have to learn any new vocabulary, can keep spouting "spare some change, spare some change", LOLz :lol:

i dislike going south of eglinton into the inner Toronto core cause of da homeless, unless I am driving straight to harbourfront / Centre Island. Markham/Richmondhill so much nicer, won't find any bums there. If you guys want to find REAL homeless ppl, come to Asia, all the homeless here (in Asia) are usually severely disabled, otherwise they will get a job , even if its $1/hr so they can survive.

[deity_me]

homelessness could easily be solved by forcing them in appropriate programs and making them live in a shelter until they're on their feet and ready to contribute to society.

But its those damn self rightous human rights activist people.
"you cant put those people in homeless camps. they've done nothing wrong"
"you're treating them like criminals"
"you're taking away their freedom"

those people make me sick
same goes with the homeless people that dont want to be helped
all the more reason to gather them up and put them in homes or institutions.
they dont pay taxes they should have no input on how the city is run.
they're ruining it for the rest of us that are putting a good ammount of our income into the system (via tax) to try to make it a better city to live in.

[Immortal]

And more recently this black woman who seems sorta crazy also...yelling out "I'm so hungryyyy! Can anyone help me?!" She pissed me off because I was sleeping (or trying to) and she whacked me on the shoulder/chest to ask for money.

OMG, I remember this woman! I remember her from 3 years ago! So she's still doing it now?! Same old act.

After that, I understood what ttc meant and bought a car.

[devious9191]

how do u know?

I know because there are programs in place to help these people if that was what they wanted.

There's tax payer sponsored addiction programs, shelters, food banks, job hunting aid and subsidies. There's no reason today that in Canada, someone is without choices.

There's also institutions available for those that are mentally ill, financed by the tax payer..

I can appreciate that sometimes people are dealt a bad hand in life, and that can put them on the street, but there's no reason that's where they need to stay.

[15-20_God]

I can appreciate that sometimes people are dealt a bad hand in life, and that can put them on the street, but there's no reason that's where they need to stay.

Have you heard of the term 'learned helplessness'?

[devious9191]

Have you heard of the term 'learned helplessness'?

Just researched it.. I'm not sure how it applies. My point was, that anyone that wants to help themselves in Canada, is able too. If you don't want to help yourself, or because of depression, don't (can't) want to help yourself, help should be forced on you. 'Learned Optimism'

[numb555]

I'm so sorry to be such an annoyance....Rogers is charging me up to the nose, and i need fast internet connection. Again, donate generously, Thanks in Advance great citizens of Toronto.

[tinlunlau]

I'm so sorry to be such an annoyance....Rogers is charging me up to the nose, and i need fast internet connection. Again, donate generously, Thanks in Advance great citizens of Toronto.

so?! i've never had cable before. more excuse to donate to me rather than you.

donate to ME! ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bug]

There was a story in the news a few weeks ago about a woman who panhandled in downtown Montreal. Apparently she wasn't homeless at all. She would park her car and walk a few blocks to her regular street corner. At the end of the day , she gathered her tally, walked back to her car and drove back to her comfy home in the suburbs.

I had a guy in a designer suit stop and ask me for taxi fare a while back. He claimed he had lost his wallet and had no way to get home. I looked at him and said "I don't think so" He gave me the finger and walked away cursing. :lol: