Hot! FS: Harmony H-688 Universal Remote Control $149.99 after MIR - only 7 left

[ag2000]

Harmony H-688 Universal Remote Control (http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10044406&catid=#) is one of their top models, I was looking for this for some time. I use H-658 - lower end and it is great, if I could trade it in to upgrade to H-688, iit would be nice :)
http://www.futureshop.ca/multimedia/products/large/10044406.jpg
It costs USD $249 at Logitech site (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/productlistharmony/US/EN,CRID=2080) -


The Harmony H-688 from Intrigue Technologies is the simplest and coolest remote you'll ever own! It uses patented technology to monitor the power and input status of all your components, providing true system control. You'll enjoy simple, one-touch multiple system control be able to customize multiple preferences. More Info

WebID: 10044406
Mfr. Part Number: 831197



More Information

FEATURES:

On-line programming means most systems are set-up in less than 30 minutes.

Web wizards easily guide you through more advanced features and customization.

Controls any 15 IR-based components including TV/VCR and TV/DVD combos, projectors, cable and satellite set-top boxes, PVRs, CD/DVD-R, video game consoles and lighting control.

In the event of a mishap, you easily synchronize your system with the Help button.

Requires a PC with USB port and Internet access to program.

[ag2000]

Here is good review (http://www.remotecentral.com/sst659/index.html) for H-659 - lower end - then you can compare it (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/comparison/US/EN,crid=2080,sh=1,chart=0,contentid=8789) to 688 at logitech site

[IceMan77]

Is this remote available for $150 at the B&M store?

[Pseudo Nim]

Forgive the spoiler attitude, but why anybody would pay $150 for a REMOTE CONTROL is completely beyond me. Jesus Christ, why not just get up? I picked up the RCA universal one from HBC for $9.99 (the one down from $70 a while back), now that was a good deal. This seems like (a) overkill and (b) a waste of money.

How many people watch TV anyway, with the advent of Internet and Google? (and games)

-pN

[s2k]

Forgive the spoiler attitude, but why anybody would pay $150 for a REMOTE CONTROL is completely beyond me. Jesus Christ, why not just get up? I picked up the RCA universal one from HBC for $9.99 (the one down from $70 a while back), now that was a good deal. This seems like (a) overkill and (b) a waste of money.

How many people watch TV anyway, with the advent of Internet and Google? (and games)

-pN

Then why would you even reply if you have no interest in this product or TV in general?

[warpdrive]

Forgive the spoiler attitude, but why anybody would pay $150 for a REMOTE CONTROL is completely beyond me. Jesus Christ, why not just get up? I picked up the RCA universal one from HBC for $9.99 (the one down from $70 a while back), now that was a good deal. This seems like (a) overkill and (b) a waste of money.

How many people watch TV anyway, with the advent of Internet and Google? (and games)

-pN

Yes apparently it *is* completely beyond you.

News flash for you: It's not just for TV, it controls a SYSTEM. For me, I have a complex home theater system worth about $8000 that I guarantee would confound you if I just handed you the regular remotes, and this remote completely takes the complexity out of operating it, enough that even a kid could operate it.

If you don't understand why one would need such a fancy remote or why this remote is worth it's cost, then I kindly suggest you keep quiet.

[Bordello]

Stupid statement of the day:


How many people watch TV anyway, with the advent of Internet and Google? (and games)

[devious9191]

How many people watch TV anyway, with the advent of Internet and Google? (and games)

-pN

Uhm. Anyone over 20 years old? How many adults spend their evenings sitting on the internet and playing computer games. I have one of the older harmony remotes too, and it works like a charm. Controls my stereo system, and also my air conditioner and ceiling fan.

[ben_95sl1]

Forgive the spoiler attitude, but why anybody would pay $150 for a REMOTE CONTROL is completely beyond me. Jesus Christ, why not just get up? I picked up the RCA universal one from HBC for $9.99 (the one down from $70 a while back), now that was a good deal. This seems like (a) overkill and (b) a waste of money.

How many people watch TV anyway, with the advent of Internet and Google? (and games)

-pN

ha ha ha ha!!!!!!! that is too funny, I don't think you understand the advantage of a good remote, or have ever needed to use macros.

why spend $20k on a car when they can just take the bus, walk or ride a bike?

[s2k]

With luck we can look forward to more posts from this guy...
"I think this deal sucks cause I don't understand the product." :twisted:

Ya who needs TV with Google. Man you can search for hours! Unlimited fun!!!

[IceMan77]

The funny thing is, i don't watch TV either... only watch DVDs and other movies downloaded off the internet... :D

I only want this remote to replace my LCD, DVD, and ATI Remote Wonder... Anyone know if you can mimick the ATI Remote with the Harmony Remote?

[ag2000]

Yes you can. Even with my lower end H-659 - according to this review (http://www.remotecentral.com/sst659/index9.htm) you can learn infrared codes from any device and create new template. :)

[kqc]

what's the difference between Harmony 688 and 880?
They are both listed as USD$250, but one got color screen?

[porphyra]

Yes you can. Even with my lower end H-659 - according to this review (http://www.remotecentral.com/sst659/index9.htm) you can learn infrared codes from any device and create new template. :)

But the Remote wonder from ATI is RF, and not Infrared. That is why I am curious too whether the Harmony remotes can replace the AIW remotes from ATI (called Remote Wonder).

[anonymous2]

880 has a charger base.

[yu130960]

But the Remote wonder from ATI is RF, and not Infrared. That is why I am curious too whether the Harmony remotes can replace the AIW remotes from ATI (called Remote Wonder).

The fact that these $$$ Harmony Remotes are not RF is a deal killer for all of them. YOu would figure that their falgship remote would be at least able to handle RF...especially since many of the PVR (with internal harddrives) are too noisy to be right next to the TV and are usually stored in another room. Just my two cents.

[Tripodman]

Forgive the spoiler attitude, but why anybody would pay $150 for a REMOTE CONTROL is completely beyond me. Jesus Christ, why not just get up? I picked up the RCA universal one from HBC for $9.99 (the one down from $70 a while back), now that was a good deal. This seems like (a) overkill and (b) a waste of money.

How many people watch TV anyway, with the advent of Internet and Google? (and games)

-pN


It's called an ignore button, the more popular this forum gets the more people I seem to ignore. :lol:

I don't know what I'd do without my H659, I got it for my parents for $100 at FD, it turns on the receiver, tv, satellite and changes to the only channel my parents ever watch from Spain on a complicated FTA receiver with the push of 1 button!!!!! Saved me from a lifetime of grief constantly going downstairs and changing the channel for them cause they are old and they will never get it. Best $100 I ever spent.

[kqc]

880 has a charger base.
But they are listed at the same price -- does 688 have some additional features to justify the price?

[tlamm]

The fact that these $$$ Harmony Remotes are not RF is a deal killer for all of them. YOu would figure that their falgship remote would be at least able to handle RF...especially since many of the PVR (with internal harddrives) are too noisy to be right next to the TV and are usually stored in another room. Just my two cents.


No universal remote does RF that way. Every piece of equipment that uses RF uses its own distinct signal.. It would be imposible for a universal remote to do. You can however get some universal remotes that use a base station to piggyback the IR signal over RF and convert it back to IR at the receiving end..

[ChinpokoMon]

But they are listed at the same price -- does 688 have some additional features to justify the price?


Nope. That's why the 688 is on sale. :razz:

[hgclim]

OOS online!

[RideGuy]

Forgive the spoiler attitude, but why anybody would pay $150 for a REMOTE CONTROL is completely beyond me. Jesus Christ, why not just get up? I picked up the RCA universal one from HBC for $9.99 (the one down from $70 a while back), now that was a good deal. This seems like (a) overkill and (b) a waste of money.

How many people watch TV anyway, with the advent of Internet and Google? (and games)

-pN

You've obviously have a simple system, and have never used this remote.

[mahjongmaniac]

ha ha ha ha!!!!!!! that is too funny, I don't think you understand the advantage of a good remote, or have ever needed to use macros.

why spend $20k on a car when they can just take the bus, walk or ride a bike?

LOL..... u guys crack me up some times...


good analogy there.

[George W. Bush]

Uhm. Anyone over 20 years old? How many adults spend their evenings sitting on the internet and playing computer games. I have one of the older harmony remotes too, and it works like a charm. Controls my stereo system, and also my air conditioner and ceiling fan.

I am with pN - I too do NOT watch TV...

It has been over a year or so and not even watched 30 minutes of TV during a week period...

Yes, the PC is the main hub for entertainment...

$150 is indeed an overkill... it surelly would be nicer if you could get the remote for lower than that... just too expensive even if it capable of controling my toilet. :twisted:

Go pN, go!!

[kqc]

No universal remote does RF that way. Every piece of equipment that uses RF uses its own distinct signal.. It would be imposible for a universal remote to do. You can however get some universal remotes that use a base station to piggyback the IR signal over RF and convert it back to IR at the receiving end..

you remind me my old X10 remote control I got for $10 (plus all the a/v cables). That remote has a USB receiver, and when I press the button in Girder, I can see that it uses Channel 9. I can also switch modes to control my lights, TV, etc... Is it a RF remote or a IR remote?

[warpdrive]

I am with pN - I too do NOT watch TV...

It has been over a year or so and not even watched 30 minutes of TV during a week period...

Yes, the PC is the main hub for entertainment...

$150 is indeed an overkill... it surelly would be nicer if you could get the remote for lower than that... just too expensive even

If you don't want to pay that much, there are a lot of less capable remotes that *you* can afford. Don't expect Ferrari performance out of them though. It's kind of stupid to say "it would be nice to get the remote for less". Of course it would be....but there is a reason it costs so much. It's the Ferrari of remotes. If you actually can make use of all its advanced features, it's worth it. Most people that have complex systems think the remote is well worth it.

You miss the point....this remote is just not for TV. This remote is capable of automating a very complex system. Mine controls my Media Center PC, connected to a projector, with PS2, HDMI DVD player, 7.1 receiver, legacy VCR, and cable box. Obviously you don't have kids or a wife which nags you every time about how to activate the surround modes on the receiver.

It's not expensive, a full automation controller can cost a lot more than that.

Basically, if you don't understand why this remote is good, then shut up. There are us legitimate customers that have a need for a remote like this. I think it's a travesty that it took them so long to come out ith something like this. I needed it about 10 years ago.

[flaming homer]

You youngsters crack me up, just walk over and change the channel by hand, sheesh...

(Proud owner of a H-628 :cheesygri )

[whrlwndz]

yup. one of the greatest remotes around. programmable off internet, works tv, dct, dvd, receiver, fan, and Lutron Dimmer, so when press 'watch movie' the lights dim. can't go wrong with this remote. sony branded ones are much more expensive, and you have to spend hours programming unbearable macros.. that colour screen harmony looks sweet but .. i wonder how's the battery life? my 659 doesn't last that long.

[RideGuy]

yup. one of the greatest remotes around. programmable off internet, works tv, dct, dvd, receiver, fan, and Lutron Dimmer, so when press 'watch movie' the lights dim. can't go wrong with this remote. sony branded ones are much more expensive, and you have to spend hours programming unbearable macros.. that colour screen harmony looks sweet but .. i wonder how's the battery life? my 659 doesn't last that long.

The new Harmony 880 contains a rechargable lithium ion battery and comes with a base station. It takes about 3 to 4 hours to charge and lasts about 2-3 weeks.

A firmware upgrade on the 659 has been known to fix the battery issue.


RideGuy

[IceMan77]

the Harmony 688 is in stock again.. weird... i think the stock availability is just a gimmick for FS to get you to buy faster.

I'm confused here, so which is the better remote? 688 or 880? I'd be thinking 880 since it has the base charger, but it's not on sale anywhere. Also, I asked this question before, but is this deal on available through the web, do they have it for the same price in store?

[monarch0300]

My receiver's remote (HK) already does macro's and controls everything already, but even if it didn't I agree this is serious overkill.

Then again, to everyone flaming pN, can I interest you in a Monster Power Center for $2000? I mean you *could* just plug your system into any regular surge protector, but "don't expect ferrari performance." They should start to bundle the two together, Monster Power Center and Logitech Harmony 688 remote for $2150, because I'm sure its the same guys that buy this kind of thing. Slap an LCD on a regular surge protector, charge $2000, then sell it to the guy who's convinced he needs a $150 remote to control everything. Fantastic.

Bottom line is you don't need to spend this much on a remote to get one that does absolutely everything you need, but you can always convince someone that they need it, when really its just another overpriced gimmick.

[ag2000]

My receiver's remote (HK) already does macro's and controls everything already, but even if it didn't I agree this is serious overkill.

Then again, to everyone flaming pN, can I interest you in a Monster Power Center for $2000? I mean you *could* just plug your system into any regular surge protector, but "don't expect ferrari performance." They should start to bundle the two together, Monster Power Center and Logitech Harmony 688 remote for $2150, because I'm sure its the same guys that buy this kind of thing. Slap an LCD on a regular surge protector, charge $2000, then sell it to the guy who's convinced he needs a $150 remote to control everything. Fantastic.

Bottom line is you don't need to spend this much on a remote to get one that does absolutely everything you need, but you can always convince someone that they need it, when really its just another overpriced gimmick.
I had the same thougts as you did when I was purchasing my H-659... Then I decided that I always can return it....And after I tried I did not want to return it. Now I have few more friends who bought it as well and they love it!
So far I have not seen anyone who owns it and said - it was waste of money.
Please read review that I posted earlier (I mean link) and forum dedicated to remotes (there is a link from review) and you will see exactly why people like it. :)

[warpdrive]

My receiver's remote (HK) already does macro's and controls everything already, but even if it didn't I agree this is serious overkill.

Then again, to everyone flaming pN, can I interest you in a Monster Power Center for $2000? I mean you *could* just plug your system into any regular surge protector, but "don't expect ferrari performance." They should start to bundle the two together, Monster Power Center and Logitech Harmony 688 remote for $2150, because I'm sure its the same guys that buy this kind of thing. Slap an LCD on a regular surge protector, charge $2000, then sell it to the guy who's convinced he needs a $150 remote to control everything. Fantastic.

Bottom line is you don't need to spend this much on a remote to get one that does absolutely everything you need, but you can always convince someone that they need it, when really its just another overpriced gimmick.

No hold on a minute buddy...don't try to lump us into the Monster Cable customer base, because there is a definite difference between buying this remote and a Monster Power Center. This remote is a legitimate time and trouble saver, and not some overmarketed Monster Cable accessory.

Can your remote do discrete codes? and memorize the power state of the components? Does it remember which components are off, and then turn on the right components based on an activity? Let my wife control *your* system with your HK remote, and I guarantee she'll mess things up and end up in some wrong mode. Normal macros are not as powerful. This Harmony remote is as close to perfect as any remote has been, it provides something that few other remotes have been good at, true ease of use. My remote is a tool, I could care less about the gimmicks. I need something that my wife, kids, and I can operate. There are so cheaper alternatives that are *almost* as powerful, but for the most part, they fall short of this remote's capabilities and ease of use. I've had other more expensive remotes, and they've all fallen short when it comes to passing the wife test


As hinted above, this remote works. You can go on about how your remote is much cheaper and does all the same things, but few complain about the Harmony after they have one.

What's overkill anyway? A full Home Theater is overkill. Buying a Ferrari is overkill. That doesn't mean that this remote isn't a good deal, because there are a LOT of happy Harmony users who swear by their remotes including me. I'm thinking I want a second one to control my second system.

[IceMan77]

My receiver's remote (HK) already does macro's and controls everything already, but even if it didn't I agree this is serious overkill.

Bottom line is you don't need to spend this much on a remote to get one that does absolutely everything you need, but you can always convince someone that they need it, when really its just another overpriced gimmick.

So what happens to the guy that doesn't have an expensive receiver with an expensive remote? Just because you don't need those function doesn't mean nobody has a use for it? That's like saying a 415hp Porsche is overkill... well maybe some ppl have a use for it, and don't mind paying for it. Just having nice remote with a cool LCD screen and it does everything with a push of just one button might justify the $150. There is always a price for luxury, it really depends on the person.

[monarch0300]

No hold on a minute buddy...don't try to lump us into the Monster Cable customer base, because there is a definite difference between buying this remote and a Monster Power Center. This remote is a legitimate time and trouble saver, and not some overmarketed Monster Cable accessory.

Can your remote do discrete codes? and memorize the power state of the components? Does it remember which components are off, and then turn on the right components based on an activity? Let my wife control *your* system with your HK remote, and I guarantee she'll mess things up and end up in some wrong mode. Normal macros are not as powerful. This Harmony remote is as close to perfect as any remote has been, it provides something that few other remotes have been good at, true ease of use. My remote is a tool, I could care less about the gimmicks. I need something that my wife, kids, and I can operate. There are so cheaper alternatives that are *almost* as powerful, but for the most part, they fall short of this remote's capabilities and ease of use. I've had other more expensive remotes, and they've all fallen short when it comes to passing the wife test


As hinted above, this remote works. You can go on about how your remote is much cheaper and does all the same things, but few complain about the Harmony after they have one.

What's overkill anyway? A full Home Theater is overkill. Buying a Ferrari is overkill. That doesn't mean that this remote isn't a good deal, because there are a LOT of happy Harmony users who swear by their remotes including me. I'm thinking I want a second one to control my second system.

Makes sense.

[Galasius]

Jesus Christ, why not just get up? I picked up the RCA universal one from HBCfor $9.99 (the one down from $70 a while back), now that was a good deal. This seems like (a) overkill and (b) a waste of money.


$9.99 for an RCA universal? Now THAT's a waste of money.... You could have had this one (http://www.canadiantire.ca/assortments/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=140847439 6669724&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=1408474396670271&bmUID=1118401434395&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524443281817&assortment=primary&fromSearch=true) for $4.99 (see RDF thread here (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/showthread.php?t=168947)).

But seriously, take EITHER of these basic 'universal' remotes and there's no comparison to the Harmony. How many remotes/keystrokes would it take to:

Turn on the TV
Mute TV sound
Switch to Video Input #2
Turn on DVD Player
Turn off other devices (CD Player, etc.)
Turn on stereo
Switch stereo to DVD mode
Switch stereo to specific sound field
Dim lights (if you're lucky enough to have that automated)
Play DVD?

Even with a basic universal, you'll probably still need at least 2 remotes and 12-15 keystrokes - and that's a fairly basic home theatre setup. What if you have guests (or 'older' parents, etc.) using the system? What are the chances they'll figure it out - my odds are on the craps table in Vegas! Now, with the Harmony, all of that can be intelligently (i.e. remote knowing what mode each device is already in) programmed into a SINGLE BUTTON labelled 'Play Movie DVD'.

Not only does it simplify things, but give a guest or someone unfamiliar with a system access to a complicated (especially very high-end) system, and not only will they probably not be able to play a DVD, but they may inadvertandly do serious damage to any setup/fine tuning that may have taken hours or days to achieve.

So, do you need the Harmony if you have a single 14" RCA TV and 2-head mono VCR? Absolutely not. But if you have a system needing lots of setting and multiple remotes, then this is a great deal. If you can afford the system that is best suited to this type of remote, then this cost isn't outrageous.

[Drainc]

This is a great remote, and at $150 I'm even tempted to get a second. They have great support as well.

[Pseudo Nim]

Looks like I generated a lot of flames against myself.


$9.99 for an RCA universal? Now THAT's a waste of money.... You could have had this one (http://www.canadiantire.ca/assortments/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=140847439 6669724&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=1408474396670271&bmUID=1118401434395&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524443281817&assortment=primary&fromSearch=true) for $4.99

No, this is completely not the level of universals I'm talking about. I'm talking about the one with an LCD (though not a touch-screen, obviously), and one that can macro a pretty solid array of key strokes, so you could do all of the things you described with a single button press.



Turn on the TV
Mute TV sound
Switch to Video Input #2
Turn on DVD Player
Turn off other devices (CD Player, etc.)
Turn on stereo
Switch stereo to DVD mode
Switch stereo to specific sound field
Dim lights (if you're lucky enough to have that automated)
Play DVD?


Considering mine is (a) a learning remote, and (b) supports macroing, I could do all of this with a single button.

I see the point of people (and I've been corrected about this in real life recently, as well) regarding high-end setups where if you spend $15,000 on a system, another $150 is basically irrelevant for a remote, if it adds to the functionality.


Uhm. Anyone over 20 years old? How many adults spend their evenings sitting on the internet and playing computer games.

Regarding that comment - no offense, but if that's your idea of people over 20, then you need to wait 'till you become over 20 yourself. There's other things to do in life than TV, and if you have a wife, a dog, and some non-TV and non-computer hobbies, (and a full-time job), you might actually find yourself at a lack of time to watch TV. But you'll find out when you become 20. ;)

-pN

[needie]

is any1 buying this? is this a good deal??

i think there's a better deal for this,

Price Match this with bestbuy:

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10044406&catid=

[warpdrive]

Looks like I generated a lot of flames against myself.

No, this is completely not the level of universals I'm talking about. I'm talking about the one with an LCD (though not a touch-screen, obviously), and one that can macro a pretty solid array of key strokes, so you could do all of the things you described with a single button press.

Considering mine is (a) a learning remote, and (b) supports macroing, I could do all of this with a single button.


No. The Harmony remembers the state of your devices. So it will turn OFF devices that NEED to be turned off. And will turn on ONLY the devices for any particular source.

If I am watching TV, I press the Listen to Music button.

- The Harmony will turn OFF the TV, and turn ON my receiver.
- If I want to watch a movie now, it will TURN ON my TV and turn ON my DVD player.
- If I want to listen to music, it will TURN OFF my TV *and* my DVD player. It knows which devices need to be ON and OFF.
- If I now say I'm finished, I press System OFF and it will turn OFF my receiver ONLY.

This is why the Harmony is so powerful. Few universal remotes (except more expensive ones) can handle this situation.

Most regular learning remotes with user-programmed macros cannot do this, unless you have access to all the discrete codes (and assuming your device supports it) and/or you have JP1 programming capability.

[Pseudo Nim]

No. The Harmony remembers the state of your devices. So it will turn OFF devices that NEED to be turned off. And will turn on ONLY the devices for any particular source.


But this is contingent on nobody having touched the device in the meantime, is that right? That is to say, if it remembers that the TV is "ON", nobody can have switched off the TV using the on/off switch on the TV, otherwise the remote will get confused?

[Lookcho]

You can buy it in store.
They have boxes of them.
It's too expensive for me and I did not even consider buying it from Dell when they were selling them half price.

[burnaby]

This thread is killing me with laughter. Preaching to the converted. All enthusiasts will agree all add-ons to their toys are essentials let it be mags for their supped up Civics or cables that cost more than most systems.

Those who can afford these toys more power to them for sustaining the economy. Practical people into needs and not wants please continue to convince the other side. This cheap entertainment is hilarious.

Hey Dad, don’t turn off the lights with the switch, you have to use the remote.

These wonderful do it all devices are convenient provided it’s not a replacement for knowing the basics to any system. Come-on folks, exercise that big muscle up top, learn/teach something new everyday.



BTW: That first wood pecker to invade your stick house will be the end of civilization as your perceive it. Most ENTERTAINMENT devices’ on/off are toggle switches. Grand Parents/kids don’t or can’t remember to follow the DON'T push that big flashing button on the unit to shut it off cause it messes up everything.

No. The Harmony remembers the state of your devices. So it will turn OFF devices that NEED to be turned off. And will turn on ONLY the devices for any particular source.

[Watson]

is any1 buying this? is this a good deal??

i think there's a better deal for this,

Price Match this with bestbuy:

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10044406&catid=

I did price match with Best Buy to get the extra $5.00 off (110% price match). However, when I tried to apply the $10 digital dollars from the BENQ drive price error they (Best Buy) said that I would have to do this before the price match. This would actually reduce the price match amount! Buggers.

I'll try this one out and see how it goes with the WAF. I already have a SIMA SUR35 but there are some short comings compared to the Logitech.

[RideGuy]

But this is contingent on nobody having touched the device in the meantime, is that right? That is to say, if it remembers that the TV is "ON", nobody can have switched off the TV using the on/off switch on the TV, otherwise the remote will get confused?

BTW: That first wood pecker to invade your stick house will be the end of civilization as your perceive it. Most ENTERTAINMENT devices’ on/off are toggle switches. Grand Parents/kids don’t or can’t remember to follow the DON'T push that big flashing button on the unit to shut it off cause it messes up everything.

You simply push the "Help" button. The LCD screen interactively asks you questions and performs commands until everything is back on track. Works very well. And even my Mom can do it. With our old remote, I use to leave a list of instructions.

And remember, some equipment like most TVs use discrete codes, so it doesn't matter if they are in the wrong state.


RideGuy

[Pseudo Nim]

And remember, some equipment like most TVs use discrete codes, so it doesn't matter if they are in the wrong state.


That was my impression. And I doubt the Harmony would be able to figure out the state of a device by itself (correct me if I'm wrong, though) - it would base itself on the last action performed; and if it were just sending discreet signals, then my RCA RCU810 would be able to do that just as well - and at $9.99, it's not that bad of a deal, considering I can add JP1 capability to it too, if I felt like opening it up.

-pN

[Cisco KId]

No hold on a minute buddy...don't try to lump us into the Monster Cable customer base, because there is a definite difference between buying this remote and a Monster Power Center. This remote is a legitimate time and trouble saver, and not some overmarketed Monster Cable accessory.

Can your remote do discrete codes? and memorize the power state of the components? Does it remember which components are off, and then turn on the right components based on an activity? Let my wife control *your* system with your HK remote, and I guarantee she'll mess things up and end up in some wrong mode. Normal macros are not as powerful. This Harmony remote is as close to perfect as any remote has been, it provides something that few other remotes have been good at, true ease of use. My remote is a tool, I could care less about the gimmicks. I need something that my wife, kids, and I can operate. There are so cheaper alternatives that are *almost* as powerful, but for the most part, they fall short of this remote's capabilities and ease of use. I've had other more expensive remotes, and they've all fallen short when it comes to passing the wife test


As hinted above, this remote works. You can go on about how your remote is much cheaper and does all the same things, but few complain about the Harmony after they have one.

What's overkill anyway? A full Home Theater is overkill. Buying a Ferrari is overkill. That doesn't mean that this remote isn't a good deal, because there are a LOT of happy Harmony users who swear by their remotes including me. I'm thinking I want a second one to control my second system.


Thats why I bought it to pass the "wife test" I have not opened it or played with it at all been debating as whether I really need it. I would say the 150 would be a small cost considering what i have spent on the setup I have already but it is another $200 plus tax - 50 mail in

But at this time I have 4 remotes
plasma
5.1 receiver
LG HD DVD player
Bell 6120

Now if this thing can turn on my entire setup with one button for watching DVD's with a preset audi and video and also do the same with my HD 6120 receiver I am in. I imagine it can. Be nice to look at 1 remote on the table vs 4 for full functionality. Just that the price sticks it to you.

I gotta read more about it via links provided and decide

[warpdrive]

But this is contingent on nobody having touched the device in the meantime, is that right? That is to say, if it remembers that the TV is "ON", nobody can have switched off the TV using the on/off switch on the TV, otherwise the remote will get confused?



You simply push the "Help" button. The LCD screen interactively asks you questions and performs commands until everything is back on track. Works very well. And even my Mom can do it. With our old remote, I use to leave a list of instructions.


Rideguy is right, it has a HELP button that gets you back on track. As I said before, few remotes gets it as right as the Harmony. It has **both** intelligent statement management and can use discrete codes. If you get into some inconsistent state, just follow the HELP prompts and it will step you through synchronizing the power state. I have my Rogers cablebox and my Toshiba player that doesn't have discrete codes. Even my wife cannot mess up the system. The bottom line is: the Harmony is the ONLY remote that has come close to passing the wife test. It's still not perfect, but it's one of the best remotes I've used

[RideGuy]

That was my impression. And I doubt the Harmony would be able to figure out the state of a device by itself (correct me if I'm wrong, though) - it would base itself on the last action performed; and if it were just sending discreet signals, then my RCA RCU810 would be able to do that just as well - and at $9.99, it's not that bad of a deal, considering I can add JP1 capability to it too, if I felt like opening it up.
-pN
Dude, you just don't get it.

You could spend a week programming macro's into your RCA:
you have to take into account each possibility....watching TV from OFF, watching DVD from OFF, listening to CD from OFF, watching TV then going to watch DVD, watching TV then going to listen to CD, Watching DVD then going to Listen to CD, and that's only three things.....add Watch Satellite and that's four more macros, add Play X-Box and that's 5 more macros...
and it still wouldn't be the same as the Harmony because it doesn't have "smart state". The Harmony still only needs one button per activity.

Each macro has a button, so anyone who doesn't understand the system, won't understand how to use each macro/button.

Programming the Harmony is not the same as programming other remotes. You take notes on your set up, go to the Harmony website, and punch the information in. Should take less than an hour.

I hope this helps you to understand the difference between a programmable remote, and a Harmony. You really can't compare the two.


RideGuy

PS - I love your selective quoting :p

[warpdrive]

This thread is killing me with laughter. Preaching to the converted. All enthusiasts will agree all add-ons to their toys are essentials let it be mags for their supped up Civics or cables that cost more than most systems.

Those who can afford these toys more power to them for sustaining the economy. Practical people into needs and not wants please continue to convince the other side. This cheap entertainment is hilarious.

Hey Dad, don’t turn off the lights with the switch, you have to use the remote.

These wonderful do it all devices are convenient provided it’s not a replacement for knowing the basics to any system. Come-on folks, exercise that big muscle up top, learn/teach something new everyday.


BTW: That first wood pecker to invade your stick house will be the end of civilization as your perceive it. Most ENTERTAINMENT devices’ on/off are toggle switches. Grand Parents/kids don’t or can’t remember to follow the DON'T push that big flashing button on the unit to shut it off cause it messes up everything.
I have to laugh at you because you obviously don't don't have a clue about how the Harmony actually works.

The Harmony can make use of Discrete codes (which are not TOGGLE codes), and you can go merrily using the front panel power switch if you want. The Harmony is fine with that...it does not mean you can't turn off components at the front panel. The majority of devices have discrete codes and the Harmony has them in their database.

As I said, the proof is in the pudding....it passes my wife test better than any other universal remote. She can operate my $8000 HT system without any intervention from me.

[burnaby]

No doubt the harmony is a wonderful toy like the rest of our entertainment unit. Obviously by your signature you're into toys thus interesting this discussion on the necessity of toys.

Cmon, you know the wife can and will mess up the remote, search deep and honest! Why would she bother when a "Honey, come here" will do the trick.

Rideguy is right, it has a HELP button that gets you back on track. As I said before, few remotes gets it as right as the Harmony. It has **both** intelligent statement management and can use discrete codes. If you get into some inconsistent state, just follow the HELP prompts and it will step you through synchronizing the sames. Even my wife cannot mess up the system. The bottom line is: the Harmony is the ONLY remote that has come close to passing the wife test. It's still not perfect, but it's one of the best remotes I've used

[burnaby]

I laughing at how serious a discussion can be for a REMOTE CONTROL. You're right, I'm too lazy to spend time programming a RC as it's just another toy (to me). Glad you're having fun with it.

P.S. Thanks for editing the "shut up" part out, I too felt it's a little over the top.

I have to laugh at you because you obviously don't don't have a clue about how the Harmony actually works.

The Harmony can make use of Discrete codes (which are not TOGGLE codes), and you can go merrily using the front panel power switch if you want. That will NOT mess things up.

As I said, the proof is in the pudding....it passes my wife test better than any other universal remote. She can operate my $8000 HT system without any intervention from me.

[warpdrive]

Burnaby

Regardless, yes I have many toys. But for the most part, I do NOT recommend most of them to most people.

But the Harmony is the ONLY universal remote that has come close to its promised goal.

[RideGuy]

Burnaby

Regardless, yes I have many toys. But for the most part, I do NOT recommend most of them to most people.

But the Harmony is the ONLY universal remote that has come close to its promised goal.
Hey warpdrive, lets take Burnaby out back and beat him until he agrees with us. :twisted:


RideGuy

[ENG101]

I'll just add in a "ditto" to the Harmony lovers. While my wife is perfectly able to run our home theatre, other people who don't live with us shouldn't need an instruction book on how to run our TV.

A JP1 remote can do a lot and is very powerful with the right programming, but a harmony makes your system user friendly with ease.

[warpdrive]

I laughing at how serious a discussion can be for a REMOTE CONTROL. You're right, I'm too lazy to spend time programming a RC as it's just another toy (to me). Glad you're having fun with it.

But the point is.....I *don't* spend ANY time programming my RC. I spent two hours getting it set up and understanding how to get it working properly. They only thing I've done in one year is update the codes when I changed my receiver. The rest of the time the remote is just a tool....I don't get any jollies out of it, except for the fact that I don't get any complaints from the wife anymore

Edit: get your mind out of the gutter with my last sentence!

[Watson]

I guess if people think that $150 is too much for a remote they would die paying $1200 USD for the Philips TSi6400 iPronto. Although you can check your e-mail on it as it 802.11b compliant :) .http://www.reliableaudiovideo.com/philips.html

http://store1.yimg.com/I/reliableav_1844_1773522

[cpoole]

$9.99 for an RCA universal? Now THAT's a waste of money.... You could have had this one (http://www.canadiantire.ca/assortments/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=140847439 6669724&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=1408474396670271&bmUID=1118401434395&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524443281817&assortment=primary&fromSearch=true) for $4.99 (see RDF thread here (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/showthread.php?t=168947)).

.

What a waste of money - I just use a willow branch with an old piece of chewing gum on the end. :|

[nicolaim]

What a waste of money - I just use a willow branch with an old piece of chewing gum on the end. :|

Funny.

Anyway, they're still OOS but FS is accepting orders again.

[Taiphun]

I've been looking at this, even going as far as test driving the programming application.

It goes through a wizard that will let you program different buttons into 1 function (eg turn on TV, turn on DVD Player, etc..) but will it also enable you to add in functions like 'set TV to widescreen, set receiver DSP to DTS/Dolby 2, etc?'

If so, I'll definately pick this up.. if not.. guess I'll live wth 3 remotes for longer...

Just not sure about dropping $150 on 'convenience.'

Thanks.

[needie]

Funny.

Anyway, they're still OOS but FS is accepting orders again.

y don't u price match with BB instead as u'll get 10% off ($5 off) plus if u have the dvd burner error's $10, dats $15 dollars off, and if u have any gift cards with discounts, dats even better :D

[anonymous2]

but will it also enable you to add in functions like 'set TV to widescreen, set receiver DSP to DTS/Dolby 2, etc?'

If so, I'll definately pick this up.. if not.. guess I'll live wth 3 remotes for longer...

Thanks.

It'll swap TV widescreen modes no problem. This remote can be programmed to do anything that you can do with your current remotes.

I have mine setup to switch to standard TV, set the TV widescreen to stretched mode, and then select the correct audio channel, then I have another button to select xbox video, full screen mode, and xbox audio, with one button, etc...

[mintcoffee]

I'd definately recommend the Harmony remotes. I have the H-680 personally, and its quite handy having my DVD functions, VCR, cable box, reciever and eventually media PC, functions all in one.

The Reciever functions are definately the most handy, since I can now change the volume without fumbling for another remote.

At $150.. i guess it really depends on you. I'm sure these remotes will eventually go down in price.. you just have to give it some time =)

[ag2000]

I've been looking at this, even going as far as test driving the programming application.

It goes through a wizard that will let you program different buttons into 1 function (eg turn on TV, turn on DVD Player, etc..) but will it also enable you to add in functions like 'set TV to widescreen, set receiver DSP to DTS/Dolby 2, etc?'

If so, I'll definately pick this up.. if not.. guess I'll live wth 3 remotes for longer...

Just not sure about dropping $150 on 'convenience.'

Thanks.

Yes you can do it, and you do it right on the internet. You also get great support from Harmony too. With futureshop return policy you can easily test it yourself and you will have 30 days to decide. I never had a problem returning anything I did not like to them.

By the way, you can also download TV guide right to the remote and select what would you like to watch right on the remore screen. :rolleyes:

[Watson]

y don't u price match with BB instead as u'll get 10% off ($5 off) plus if u have the dvd burner error's $10, dats $15 dollars off, and if u have any gift cards with discounts, dats even better :D

When I called into BestBuy to get the price match they agreed without a problem. However if I wanted to apply by digital dollars they would reduce the $250.00 price to $240 and then do a price match, thus reducing the price match difference from $5 to $4. They wouldn't let me apply the digital dollars AFTER the price match.

[BoxsterS]

I think some of us may be waiting for the 880 to drop in price before dropping $150 on an old model:

http://www.logitech.com/lang/images/0/6614.jpg

[golden]

The black one with color screen is sexy!

[needie]

When I called into BestBuy to get the price match they agreed without a problem. However if I wanted to apply by digital dollars they would reduce the $250.00 price to $240 and then do a price match, thus reducing the price match difference from $5 to $4. They wouldn't let me apply the digital dollars AFTER the price match.


i suggest u buy the $20 gift card with the $10 DD, then u'll have a $20 gc for $10, on a separate order.

Then PM the Harmony remote on a separate order. Then go into the store and say u want to pay off $20 credit card for remote with the gc.

in the end, u saved the $1, if u think its worth it.

[mahjongmaniac]

BB.ca right now selling for same price $150 after $50 MIR

http://www.bestbuy.ca/multimedia/products/large/10044406.jpg

BB: Harmony H-688 Universal Remote (http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926INGFS10044406&langid=EN)

$50 MIR: http://www.bestbuy.ca/Rebate/rebateform.asp?RebateID=1408910044406&logon=&langid=EN

maybe u can PM FS to save $5... :twisted:


also, BB is also selling another model for $180 after $20 MIR

BB: Harmony SST-659 Universal Remote Control (http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926INGFS10032938&langid=EN)

$20MIR: http://www.bestbuy.ca/Rebate/rebateform.asp?RebateID=1409110032938&logon=&langid=EN

http://www.bestbuy.ca/multimedia/products/large/10032938.jpg

[theGecko]

I used to have the Sony Commmander, and programming that was a biotch! This beautifully crafted device has made my system available to my 2 year old (damnit)! But that's seriously how easy it is to use!

To those who are so busy discussing the value of this remote, please understand for some of us it's invaluable. The biggest thing that seems to be missed here is that this is a AWESOME deal on this remote, as it is normally $249.99 and once they send me my $50.00 I am going to have it in my house for more than 40% off!!!

Once again RFD rules!!!

w00t!

[Superbman]

Bought my dad a Harmony 880 for Father's day and all I can say is that this little device is a work of art! It's absolutely beautifully designed with superb usability. All those saying this isn't worth it obviously does not have a 7 component system with different remotes for each (thus, to watch a dvd, you have to have 4 in front of you and switching between them to get anything set up properly). Highly recommended! :D

[burnaby]

Hilarious to still read about the worthiness of a TOY. No matter how you spin it a remote is part of the TOY collection. By what gauge is the "worthiness" measured. Sure it’s comparable to buying a PS2, graphics card, fishing reel, RC car, HO train, hockey stick and the myriad of TOYs in our collection. Canada, what a great country where we can have debates on justifying toys.

Hope I don't get flamed too badly by the gadget geeks for this. BTW: Love to get this great toy, too bad I've way too many other toys to buy. :lol:

Bought my dad a Harmony 880 for Father's day and all I can say is that this little device is a work of art! It's absolutely beautifully designed with superb usability. All those saying this isn't worth it obviously does not have a 7 component system with different remotes for each (thus, to watch a dvd, you have to have 4 in front of you and switching between them to get anything set up properly). Highly recommended! :D

[RideGuy]

Hilarious to still read about the worthiness of a TOY. No matter how you spin it a remote is part of the TOY collection. By what gauge is the "worthiness" measured. Sure it’s comparable to buying a PS2, graphics card, fishing reel, RC car, HO train, hockey stick and the myriad of TOYs in our collection. Canada, what a great country where we can have debates on justifying toys.

Hope I don't get flamed too badly by the gadget geeks for this. BTW: Love to get this great toy, too bad I've way too many other toys to buy. :lol:
If you have a complicated system this is more of an essential than a toy. But I guess a complicated system is a toy?

Burnaby, I get the impression you don't really understand how this remote works. Go to a friend’s house or a store that has it and try it out. I felt exactly the same way as you until I tried one.


RideGuy

[warpdrive]

Hilarious to still read about the worthiness of a TOY.

A toy is a thing uses for strictly entertainment purposes. I mean, I don't spend hours playing with my remote, I press the button, it does what I want. End of story. It does the job better than other remote. I got my money's worth over the remotes that came before it. How hard is that to understand?

Granted, I have a much-too-complicated system which itself is a luxury, and completely unnecessary in the grand scheme of things, but in that light, this remote becomes a tool, and is not a toy. It is a toy if you had just a regular TV that would have been fine with a standard learning remote.

[Pinuz]

$9.99 for an RCA universal? Now THAT's a waste of money.... You could have had this one (http://www.canadiantire.ca/assortments/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=140847439 6669724&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=1408474396670271&bmUID=1118401434395&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524443281817&assortment=primary&fromSearch=true) for $4.99 (see RDF thread here (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/showthread.php?t=168947)).

But seriously, take EITHER of these basic 'universal' remotes and there's no comparison to the Harmony. How many remotes/keystrokes would it take to:

Turn on the TV
Mute TV sound
Switch to Video Input #2
Turn on DVD Player
Turn off other devices (CD Player, etc.)
Turn on stereo
Switch stereo to DVD mode
Switch stereo to specific sound field
Dim lights (if you're lucky enough to have that automated)
Play DVD?

Even with a basic universal, you'll probably still need at least 2 remotes and 12-15 keystrokes - and that's a fairly basic home theatre setup. What if you have guests (or 'older' parents, etc.) using the system? What are the chances they'll figure it out - my odds are on the craps table in Vegas! Now, with the Harmony, all of that can be intelligently (i.e. remote knowing what mode each device is already in) programmed into a SINGLE BUTTON labelled 'Play Movie DVD'.

Not only does it simplify things, but give a guest or someone unfamiliar with a system access to a complicated (especially very high-end) system, and not only will they probably not be able to play a DVD, but they may inadvertandly do serious damage to any setup/fine tuning that may have taken hours or days to achieve.

So, do you need the Harmony if you have a single 14" RCA TV and 2-head mono VCR? Absolutely not. But if you have a system needing lots of setting and multiple remotes, then this is a great deal. If you can afford the system that is best suited to this type of remote, then this cost isn't outrageous.


I have a 659 bought for 99$ minus 40$ rebate (Christmas deal on 23 night if I remember), for 10 minutes I was able to have the rebate.

Anyways the remote is great and if you have all new equipments it will be excellent.
I also have the X10 switches to control the lights and I use an X10 remote to control lights and htpc.
I'll buy a converter to use only my Harmony.

Don't forget the tv guide inside the Harmony, nice function but anyways on TV I just watch the news and Discovery Channel and DVDs but my wife loves this remote.

[burnaby]

Firstly this remote sure sound a great device with lots for features making the entertainment unit that much more pleasant to use. That doesn’t deter the reality it’s still a toy. Perhaps the debate is over semantics. I agree a toy is anything for strictly entertainment purpose only, a simple inconvenience in event of lost. As such my entire entertainment unit is in that category.

As a typical Canadian I too think everything is a must have item. My boat, skis, work shop, mountain bikes, hockey gear, train set, RC cars, yada yada, should not be classified as toys but tools of happiness.

As for understanding the remote’s full functionality it’s irrelevant unless it can do necessity work like cook me a meal. Otherwise it’s still a toy. BTW: I too am a technical geek thus can likely comprehend the full functionality of this remote unless it’s more complex than building a SOHO system or software development.

BTW: Call me mean, my kid and wife are expected to learn the functionality of all six remotes to enjoy the entertainment unit. The lazy alternative is to read a book (actually there’ll be a nasty fight for who’s first when the new Potter book comes out).

Sorry for once again being way off topic, couldn’t resist, hope I’m not stirring up trouble again, thanks for listening. MEOW!!!


Burnaby, I get the impression you don't really understand how this remote works. Go to a friend’s house or a store that has it and try it out. I felt exactly the same way as you until I tried one.
RideGuy

A toy is a thing uses for strictly entertainment purposes. I mean, I don't spend hours playing with my remote, I press the button, it does what I want. End of story. It does the job better than other remote. I got my money's worth over the remotes that came before it. How hard is that to understand?

Granted, I have a much-too-complicated system which itself is a luxury, and completely unnecessary in the grand scheme of things, but in that light, this remote becomes a tool, and is not a toy. It is a toy if you had just a regular TV that would have been fine with a standard learning remote.

[RideGuy]

How much value do you put on your time? I have a dollar value for what my time is worth. I know out west there is a different mentality, and it's not rush rush like it is here, so maybe you don't think the same.

How much is your time worth? Multiply that by the extra time it takes to fiddle with each of your 6 remotes. How long will it take to pay off the Harmony? That's how I look at it. More of an essential than a toy.

RideGuy

Firstly this remote sure sound a great device with lots for features making the entertainment unit that much more pleasant to use. That doesn’t deter the reality it’s still a toy. Perhaps the debate is over semantics. I agree a toy is anything for strictly entertainment purpose only, a simple inconvenience in event of lost. As such my entire entertainment unit is in that category.

As a typical Canadian I too think everything is a must have item. My boat, skis, work shop, mountain bikes, hockey gear, train set, RC cars, yada yada, should not be classified as toys but tools of happiness.

As for understanding the remote’s full functionality it’s irrelevant unless it can do necessity work like cook me a meal. Otherwise it’s still a toy. BTW: I too am a technical geek thus can likely comprehend the full functionality of this remote unless it’s more complex than building a SOHO system or software development.

BTW: Call me mean, my kid and wife are expected to learn the functionality of all six remotes to enjoy the entertainment unit. The lazy alternative is to read a book (actually there’ll be a nasty fight for who’s first when the new Potter book comes out).

Sorry for once again being way off topic, couldn’t resist, hope I’m not stirring up trouble again, thanks for listening. MEOW!!!

[daffod]

woooooo...seemms like this remote is causing too much friction here...i dont think it can control friction...my advice free of charge its one heck of a toy..if your pocket can take weight of it...i have used it..it takes few days to get use to it from conventional way of using old remotes but once you get hooked ur set for life...live life kingsize..

[warpdrive]

Burnaby,

I agree with Rideguy's post.

The semantics of "Toy" is yours to choose. No happy Harmony user would ever argue that the Harmony is a true necessity. You seem to want to divide everything into two categories. By definition if it's not a necessity, it's a toy. I don't see it that way.

By my definition, a toy is something you get some degree of enjoyment out of. You said ski's, trainset etc. Clearly those are entertaining ways to pass time. But the remote, I consider a means to an end. Like a lot of stuff I own, there are the things that are cool and fun to own and use, and then there are things that are just there for convenience. This is one of them.

Now let's take the example of a Microwave. A highly efficient way of heating and cooking. But the oven does the same thing, it's just more time consuming. So is the Microwave a toy then? I value my time so I consider a Microwave a very valuable appliance. The Harmony works the same way, it's a set and forget type of appliance. I can certainly make do with a pile of other remotes. Not once do I think...well, this thing is soooo fun to use. It's doesn't add any entertainment value to operating a system. It doesn't play games, nor have cool flashing lights, nor make funny laser sounds. It also helps organize my coffee table consolidating my living space.

So I disagree it is a toy. If someone stole it from me, life would go on. But that doesn't mean it's an entertainment device...a toy

[jch]

I bought the Harmony 688(?) from Dell's 10 days of savings. It's great.

A question though: what exactly *is* the difference between their different models? Is it just the number of buttons? Or is there a difference in how complex a system they can control??

Anyone?
.../j

[warpdrive]

I bought the Harmony 688(?) from Dell's 10 days of savings. It's great.

A question though: what exactly *is* the difference between their different models? Is it just the number of buttons? Or is there a difference in how complex a system they can control??

Anyone?
.../j

Mainly the number/labelling of buttons and the physical shape of the rmote.