People who oppose same sex marriage: poll

[d_jedi]

Do you think the Conservatives should vote down the government (with now-independant Pat O'Brien voting with them, they have a good chance of succeeding if they try..) on a confidence motion (ie. the budget) in order to stop the passage of the Civil Marriage Act?

[Absolute]

Absolutely not, let the bill pass.

[asim99]

yup...elections would be nice
voters will be able to whoop harper's a$$ pretty good this time

[Defiant]

Hasn't this been discussed to death here already?

[Daemar]

Hasn't this been discussed to death here already?

Indeed. But I don't see why you can't continue to discuss it, especially in the context of a Vote of Non-Confidence. Will this vote be used to bring down the government? Does the liberal government have enough support from the ND's to pass this controversial bill?

[Audiogenic]

After San Francisco, Toronto is rumoured to have the most gays and lesbians in the world.

[asim99]

After San Francisco, Toronto is rumoured to have the most gays and lesbians in the world.

hurray! (if it is true, however you did not quote a source, so it may just be you personal biased opinion)
toronto also has the most italians outside of italy, as i read somewhere today

[CheapScotsman]

can hardly wait for my taxes to increase to pay for it ... :rolleyes: ... http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2005/06/23/1101424-cp.html

[Roninvancouver]

bad poll design d_jedi.

you are splitting the vote of "NO" to vote down the gov't AND those who support same sex marriage.

It's the same voter; but you force them to vote in 2 spots who actually support one concept... :confused:

who would vote against knocking the gov't down over this issue and NOT support gay marriage???

I'm not sure if you did this on purpose or more likely a newbie mistake.

So now you have 4 and 3 votes which basically support gay marriage but divided into 2 categories...yet you only have on category for those against gay marriage...

change your poll to

1)YES
2) NO
3) DO NOT CARE

or

1)YES
2) NO
3) I support gay marriage
4) I am against gay marriage
5) I do not care

If you do not; you are totally skewing the results due to faulty poll design.

[asim99]

can hardly wait for my taxes to increase to pay for it ... :rolleyes: ... http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2005/06/23/1101424-cp.html

about time
gays have been paying for others' benefits for too long...its time they get their dues

[asim99]

bad poll design d_jedi.


i have rarely seen him design a good poll...so i don't even bother pointing

[Ojam]

Sort of goes with this thread, but my home province of New Brunswick just made it legal here (Just today). Congratulations to all the homosexuals couples of New Brunswick that visit the board! Way to go NB!

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1119562709644_114971909/?hub=Canada

[Ojam]

Indeed. But I don't see why you can't continue to discuss it, especially in the context of a Vote of Non-Confidence. Will this vote be used to bring down the government? Does the liberal government have enough support from the ND's to pass this controversial bill?

The Bloc support it too, it's a no brainer for the NDP. As it is the only party that officially doesn't support it is the RACT. (from what I've read)

[NG]

Sort of goes with this thread, but my home province of New Brunswick just made it legal here (Just today). Congratulations to all the homosexuals couples of New Brunswick that visit the board! Way to go NB!

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1119562709644_114971909/?hub=Canada


Thank you! I've been looking for a link to that!

[d_jedi]

bad poll design d_jedi.

you are splitting the vote of "NO" to vote down the gov't AND those who support same sex marriage.

It's the same voter; but you force them to vote in 2 spots who actually support one concept... :confused:

who would vote against knocking the gov't down over this issue and NOT support gay marriage???

I'm not sure if you did this on purpose or more likely a newbie mistake.

So now you have 4 and 3 votes which basically support gay marriage but divided into 2 categories...yet you only have on category for those against gay marriage...

change your poll to

1)YES
2) NO
3) DO NOT CARE

or

1)YES
2) NO
3) I support gay marriage
4) I am against gay marriage
5) I do not care

If you do not; you are totally skewing the results due to faulty poll design.

The intent was, for people who oppose same sex marriage to choose either the "yes" or "no". Obviously, the people who support same sex marriage wouldn't want the government to fall to delay the Civil Marriage Act.

I guess it wasn't as clear as it could be.. but I was limited in the length of the poll question..

[asim99]

Sort of goes with this thread, but my home province of New Brunswick just made it legal here (Just today). Congratulations to all the homosexuals couples of New Brunswick that visit the board! Way to go NB!

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1119562709644_114971909/?hub=Canada

thanks for the news...i ws gonna search the link after watching the news on cbc
eat your heart out, gay bashers

[NG]

As it is the only party that officially doesn't support it is the RACT. (from what I've read)

Reform Alliance Conservative Tories?

[Ojam]

Reform Alliance Conservative Tories?

yes :razz:

I figure, the conservative supporters complain about them being called Alliance Cons, but I think RACT Fits. It represents all parties that they were, and that were merged. Since the party is more Alliance, then PC I think it fits that 3 of the parties are Alliance, to show that the party is 75% RAC, and 25% the real Tories, or PC.

I could have been real insulting said the RAT party, or Reform Alliance Tories, representing what they were, and no representation of what they are.

[NG]

eat your heart out, gay bashers

Yep. They're homophobic little world is crumbling before them. Now that Martin has finally found his balls we have the votes to do this and put it to bed.

Once this is done and over with I can finally relax.

I'm almost wishing I was gay just so I could join in the fun once it's set in stone. Too bad bossy women give me woodies...actually not. That's fun too :D

Anybody know if you can take a certificate course or something to marry people in the secular world? I wouldn't mind doing some side work marrying gays.

[NG]

yes :razz:

I figure, the conservative supporters complain about them being called Alliance Cons, but I think RACT Fits. It represents all parties that they were, and that were merged. Since the party is more Alliance, then PC I think it fits that 3 of the parties are Alliance, to show that the party is 75% RAC, and 25% the real Tories, or PC.

I like it and your logic behind it. I wonder tho....Conservatives and Tories are one in the same since the old party was the P.C. party. The term Conservative was never in the party names for either the Alliance or Reform party. Would you mind if I usurp the name and modify it to the RAT party? :D

[Ojam]

I like it and your logic behind it. I wonder tho....Conservatives and Tories are one in the same since the old party was the P.C. party. The term Conservative was never in the party names for either the Alliance or Reform party. Would you mind if I usurp the name and modify it to the RAT party? :D

meh, whatev. :cheesygri :lol:

[Iron Chef Ajax]

Do you think the Conservatives should vote down the government (with now-independant Pat O'Brien voting with them, they have a good chance of succeeding if they try..) on a confidence motion (ie. the budget) in order to stop the passage of the Civil Marriage Act?
How will this affect my taxes?

[Daemar]

How will this affect my taxes?

well, if there is a re-election and by some miracle the conservatives form the government then we will see more fiscal conservatism which can translates to lower taxes which benefit the rich much more than anyone else.

Liberals with Martin look like they can balance a budget, but do concentrate on spending.

God help us if the ND's take over. We'd have kick ass health care and social programs but our debt would double over their term.

[galanz]

yes :razz:

I figure, the conservative supporters complain about them being called Alliance Cons, but I think RACT Fits. It represents all parties that they were, and that were merged. Since the party is more Alliance, then PC I think it fits that 3 of the parties are Alliance, to show that the party is 75% RAC, and 25% the real Tories, or PC.

I could have been real insulting said the RAT party, or Reform Alliance Tories, representing what they were, and no representation of what they are.

I always liked it when they called themselves C.R.A.P, or was it C.R.A.A.P.?

[peter_pumpkin_eater]

i dont get the point of this same sex marriage. why are straight people getting all angry and homophobic for. how does gay ppl get married affect their lives in any way? do they just have lotsa time on their hands to fight for a pointless cause? i work with this gay dude and he doesnt even care that straight people are arguing over this. hes still gay and gonna be gay and be with gays and marry a gay.

[Txiasaeia]

The intent was, for people who oppose same sex marriage to choose either the "yes" or "no". Obviously, the people who support same sex marriage wouldn't want the government to fall to delay the Civil Marriage Act. I guess it wasn't as clear as it could be.. but I was limited in the length of the poll question..

This would get you what you want without any vote-splitting (as ron's suggestions would force):

Yes (kick the libs out), and I don't support gay marriage
No, and I don't support gay marriage
No, and I support gay marriage


I figure, the conservative supporters complain about them being called Alliance Cons, blah blah blah

You know you're winning when the opposition resorts to attacking your name rather than anything of substance.

[Ojam]

You know you're winning when the opposition resorts to attacking your name rather than anything of substance.

You are wound up WAY to tight, it was meant to be amusing. Its not like Conservative supporters haven't called the liberals any names, like say Lieberals, Fiberals, shall I go on? Now just laugh at what I thought would bring some humor to an otherwise doomed to be locked thread. :razz:

[MrDisco]

why are straight people getting all angry and homophobic for.

groups like the family coalition party would argue that the redefinition of marriage and the promotion of the gay lifestyle will lead to the collapse of society. i think they would rather see it brushed under the carpet and out of sight like in years past.

[NG]

meh, whatev. :cheesygri :lol:

Thanks :D

Can't wait for the Harper's RAT party (a.k.a. The Alliance Cons) to go down in flames in the upcoming election. I can't believe they're within the margin of error for being tied with the NDP in Ontario. Mind you I *love* it but still am shaking my head to how the NDP get a great leader like Layton and the Rat's get that boob Harper :D

[peter_pumpkin_eater]

HAHA definition of marriage has been redefined by straight people so many times. look at all the divorces these days. back then ppl just suck it up and stick together for the kids or w/e. now these people are so unresponsible and let kids grow up with only one parents. at least having 2 same sex parents is better then one parent.

[Byrns]

After San Francisco, Toronto is rumoured to have the most gays and lesbians in the world.

Actually Sydney, Australia does from what I heard.

[NG]

at least having 2 same sex parents is better then one parent.

Agreed. Unless one of them is Scott Baio. He must never be allowed to warp the minds of our young.

http://www.gothamist.com/images/2004_12_scottbaio.jpg

[asim99]

too bad ... cons lost the opportunity of bringing down the government last night when the budget was passed...boo yeah!