ford canada now offering employee pricing!

[car junky8]

just saw on discoverey

now ofering employee discounts till august 1st

http://ford.ca/english/default_flash.asp

[flaming homer]

Makes you go to see a dealer to get details, that sucks...

Althought I dislike the big-3 auto makers, I am tempted by the Ford Escape Hybrid. If anyone knows the details of this offer, can you let me know what kind of discount I can expect on it ?

[cipher]

Makes you go to see a dealer to get details, that sucks...

Althought I dislike the big-3 auto makers, I am tempted by the Ford Escape Hybrid. If anyone knows the details of this offer, can you let me know what kind of discount I can expect on it ?


Perhaps you should see if Toyota or one of the other Japanese car makers will also make the same offer.

[Jag]

The Escape Hybrid is not part of this promotion.

[x-batman]

Perhaps you should see if Toyota or one of the other Japanese car makers will also make the same offer.

I highly doubt it, people are still buying toyota's and honda's at a steady rate without bargaining

[Iron Chef Ajax]

Bet GM will have this soon as well.

[car junky8]

Bet GM will have this soon as well.


you think they would have it now since the other 2 major companies are doing it

[zeide49]

This is really not a deal as anyone can negotiate a better deal if they do their
homework. My son works for Ford in Talbotville Ontario and he explained how
the program works for employees. I have done better with tough negotiations
and my information and numbers that I gathered about prices from around the
net. This is only a fair deal if you don't like to bargin and negotiate. Do your
homework and come armed with your information and you can surly get a
better deal than this employee discount. Zeide.

[dmpP]

you think they would have it now since the other 2 major companies are doing it

GM was the first one to offer... Ford and Chrysler followed suit

[dicemax]

GM was the first to offer for US customers only.
Ford and Chrysler offer are for both US and Canada customers.

[optimum]

No way in hell I'm buying an American car again (except maybe the vette) :)

[frogger]

Other than Toyota and Nissan, other companies are pretty much holding steady these days. VW is tanking big time, have been for years

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4987/ms6months9jo.jpg

[apvm]

American cars?! I'll pass, think I'll be better off with Korean make than American.

[Chookman]

I don't know if this is true, but I was in at a Jeep dealer inquiring about pricing on a TJ when the salesman let slip that Chrysler rebates to the dealer the difference between the MSRP and the employee price. If this is the case, it should be possible to negotiate a good deal below MSRP and then take off the rebate for employee pricing and the rebate for factory incentives.

[queens49]

I don't know if this is true, but I was in at a Jeep dealer inquiring about pricing on a TJ when the salesman let slip that Chrysler rebates to the dealer the difference between the MSRP and the employee price. If this is the case, it should be possible to negotiate a good deal below MSRP and then take off the rebate for employee pricing and the rebate for factory incentives.


You are correct. To get the best possible deal, you should negotiate a price as if there wasn't the employee pricing discount, and after this final price, then you should deduct the employee pricing rebate. The dealers don't lose anything from this rebate. Head office is the one that gives the rebates, so either way, the dealers still make the same profit.

[jgmaull]

Makes you go to see a dealer to get details, that sucks...

Althought I dislike the big-3 auto makers, I am tempted by the Ford Escape Hybrid. If anyone knows the details of this offer, can you let me know what kind of discount I can expect on it ?


don't even bother going to the dealer, We were looking at the freestar last week and the dealer told us to maybe wait as the new pricing was coming out. They have dropped the rebate amounts to the dealers $2000 across the board (eg> last week freestar base was $7000, now is $5000, SE model went from $5000 - 3000). What a bunch of scammers. No deal at all. Was deciding between Chevy and Ford, this scam may have helped me to make my decision.

[car junky8]

GM was the first one to offer... Ford and Chrysler followed suit

gm only did us offers they have yet to offer this to cdns

[Menace]

Yuck! American cars. You have to pay for my ext. warranty before I would consider.

[Spent]

It's for the clueless dorks with no taste :razz: :lol:

[Bachelor]

Apparently, the employee price for both Ford and Chrysler to consumers is the Dealer Invoice price. The DI price is what the dealer pays to the manufacturer for the car. If the consumer buys at this price, then the dealer makes $0 profit... however, after a sale the manufacturer pays the dealer an amount that results in the "real" profit.

For example (in reality,the differences between the below amounts are actually percentages, but this is just an example):
$30,000 MSRP
$29,000 Dealer Invoice
$28,000 Dealer Cost

You walk in for the employee price and pay $29,000 (which is what the dealer literally paid to Ford/Chrysler for the car). The dealer reports the sale to Ford/Chrysler and they credit the dealer with $1,000. This means the dealer actually bought the car for $28,000 and sold it to you for $29,000. The dealer makes $0 from the customer, but $1,000 from the manufacturer. The salesperson will show you the invoice sheet showing DI but the DC wont be shown.

Under normal selling conditions, when there's no employee pricing, the situation remains the same. If you walked into the dealer this past February and negotiated to buy the car for $29,500, then the dealer would have made $500 from you and $1000 from the dealer. You could have also negotiated to buy the car at $29,000 if you're a good negotiator, if the dealer is overstocked, or if the dealer is large and sells by volume (so they're more willing to bend on price just to sell one more car).

In the end though, buying under normal selling conditions could be cheaper because the negotiated price plus rebates is probably better than employee price plus smaller rebates. The employee pricing will help those that arent strong negotiators or cant be bothered with price shopping -- you just walk in, ask for a car, and pay a set price. Easy!

[Bordello]

I consider Ford the worst of the three domestics.

[trident9440]

I am really looking to buy the Ford Escape.. now.. as long as the price is okay..

[nano]

im going to starting looking around for a new car this weekend :)

[Agent_J]

American cars?! I'll pass, think I'll be better off with Korean make than American.
http://www.jdpa.com/presspass/pr/images/2004055afull.gif

[Bachelor]

At least use the most current study (by Nameplate only, no Corporate ranking in 2005 I guess). You can see that Hyundai is now better than last year's industry average:
http://www.jdpa.com/presspass/pr/images/2005089a.gif
Anyway, this study is for 2002-model vehicles. Many of those vehicles have since been redesigned for 2005, therby improving quality and dependability for the brand. Thats why the rankings for each brand improve each year.

Besides, the ranking doesnt mean all the cars below the industry average are garbage... just look at the MINI, and then go ask a MINI owner what complaints they have.

[thedon]

well my friend works at a mini dealership and i can tell u the mini has had a lot of problems... especially in the first couple of years

of course the average doesn't mean much cause alot of the top ones are luxury car companies but its still useful as a comparison and according to that chart buying a car from the big 3 is no worse than a korean car.

[Trigger]

GM was the first one to offer... Ford and Chrysler followed suit


I was looking for a new car for my girlfriend (after her Cavalier pooched out on her), and I the GM dealers in Canada still do not have the offer. Supposedly the whole pricing thing is due to overstock in dealership inventories, and as the Chevy person said "We run our GM dealerships very lean here so we don't need the pricing". A Pontiac dealership I went to later in the day said "We'll probably follow suit on Monday", contradicted what my friendly Chevrolet dealer said.

As for deals.. then best ones I found were cash purchases. You can get a Dodge SX 2.0 (A/C auto, no other options) on the road for $15,500. After 'employee pricing' they have a $3700 instant rebate too.

The Erin Park Pontiac dealer (Mississauga) had some 2004 Chevy Cavaliers and Sunfires (I know, old platform) that he said he would let go for $11,500 + taxes.

Both these deals are with no haggling.

T

[Trigger]

At least use the most current study (by Nameplate only, no Corporate ranking in 2005 I guess). You can see that Hyundai is now better than last year's industry average:
http://www.jdpa.com/presspass/pr/images/2005089a.gif
Anyway, this study is for 2002-model vehicles. Many of those vehicles have since been redesigned for 2005, therby improving quality and dependability for the brand. Thats why the rankings for each brand improve each year.

Besides, the ranking doesnt mean all the cars below the industry average are garbage... just look at the MINI, and then go ask a MINI owner what complaints they have.

These JD Power rankings (VDS) are from customer feedback. My recommendation is.. if a car has bad rankings, either the customers are picky, or the car is crap. If a car has good rankings, either the customers are too concerned with the prestige of their car and are too stuck up to admit there are issues (ie Porsche), or aren't picky. Then again, some owners (ie Lexus) are EXTREMELY picky and the car still shows up well in the VDS. In other words, the cars are even better than the studies suggest.

T

[Keiichi]

These JD Power rankings (VDS) are from customer feedback. My recommendation is.. if a car has bad rankings, either the customers are picky, or the car is crap. If a car has good rankings, either the customers are too concerned with the prestige of their car and are too stuck up to admit there are issues (ie Porsche), or aren't picky. Then again, some owners (ie Lexus) are EXTREMELY picky and the car still shows up well in the VDS. In other words, the cars are even better than the studies suggest.

T

The quality of domestic cars have gotten up to par with imports, however, they are still suffering from the garbage cars they churned out during the 1970s - 1980s. If you look at studies, including this JD Power one, you will see that domestic qualities actually surpass many imports.

[techboss]

Ford build cars and break them.

Ford cars may interest rental companies only :cheesygri

[Thumper]

Too bad the new mustang is excluded, that has got to be a better ride than my truck. We recently rented one in disneyland and I would buy one, if money was no object.

[lapopal]

Japanese car sales especially Toyota has taking a huge chunk of the domestic car sales and is really hurting North American mfgs.

I used to work for ford, and I have to tell you -
people that think you can carve 5000 off the price of a entry level car you are sadly mistaken. There is a whole bunch of stuff that people dont think about when buying a car and that is the intended method of payment...

We worked solely on commision, believe me when I say we really want to sell the car to a customer but the dealers have to make money or whats the point? When Toyota had that no bargaining BS everyone gets the same price or Saturn you are paying approx 7 % markup - always.

If you have a lump of cash and are paying for the car outright then the car will be cheaper the person who is purchasing it though Ford Credit, or (insert car bank) or the person who is leasing.

Everyone is different. Now about window pricing with ford...purely hypothetical numbers here

MSRP = 31,999
DC = 28,898
CASH PURCHASE REBATE (-3500) (Some dealers show you rebates, some dont)
GRAD REBATE 500 *

The cheapest you will buy this car is 23898 + Taxes & Fees in cash if you met all the conditions and were allowed to stack rebates with employee pricing. There is a grid we use, what is stackable and what isnt, we dont make the rules, Ford Canada does and they cannot be broken.

The dealer does not pay sticker price for any car, they will usually get it 500-1500 below what you see on any paper.

Go buy your car at the end of the month, dealerships bend over to grab last minute deals to boost monthly numbers.

[Xtrema]

My rule of thumb is, if you can knock 10% off MSRP, then it's a fair/ok deal. Unless the car is hot or limited in volume, that's what you should get ALWAYS.

At Toyota, although no haggle, you can get services and accessories throw in for free or low cost. Some dealers are using this to differeniate themselves for other Toyota dealers.

As for FORD, I know the quality is up but FORD has nothing in the line-up that's up to par in the market. Focus is now the new Cavalier (old crap), and they refuse to swith to Mazda3 paltform also mean it'll remain the same old crap for years to come.

FIVE HUNDRED is boring and underpowered. Freestar is overpriced (I drove a rental and was really disappointed compare to a 5 year old Odessey). Nobody want to be caught dead in a Taurus (but Mazda 6 based Fusion is coming to replace it). Mustang is sorta nice but only if you're into that retro styling.

Anyway, Ford is in the worst shape of the 3 domestic. It has no winners coming down the pipe unlike GM and Chrysler.

[Marc]

Thanks, and posted!

[blainehamilton]

I'm suprised nobody posted about the free Dell computer offer Ford had advertized this week.

Buy any new vehicle (including under the employee discount plan) and you get a free Dimension 2300 or Inspiron 2200.

Seems like a sweet deal, saw this in the Edmonton Journal on wed...

[Iron Chef Ajax]

Yes heard about the FREE Dell deal as well here in Toronto on Radio.

[impailer17]

I'm suprised nobody posted about the free Dell computer offer Ford had advertized this week.

Buy any new vehicle (including under the employee discount plan) and you get a free Dimension 2300 or Inspiron 2200.

Seems like a sweet deal, saw this in the Edmonton Journal on wed...


The choices are:
1) Dimension 2300 - $799 at Dell.ca or
2) Inspiron 2200 - $999 or
3) $500 cash...

I will have to seriously consider this deal as I have been thinking about trading in my 2002 Focus lemon - it's approaching 100,000 km and end of Powertrain warranty...

[JF Ryan]

read the fine print in Saturday's paper that the computer choices are a
Dell Dimension 3000 of $489 or Inspiron 2200 of $849.

August 1st is the deadline for employee pricing + free freight allowance + free computer

[peterbrowne]

my mom loves her ford

[TinyTank]

my parents hate american cars.

[1V4N]

To add my $0.02.....

I used to work for the FORD Customer Service Call Centre in North York several years back, and there was a team of at least 275-300+ manning the phone lines for either the Canadian or US numbers.

It was terrible. Most of the CSR's, including myself would ask about Ford discounts once we were hired to work there. By the end of the 2-week training sessions, most wouldn't ask much about the discounts once we started with training scenarios.

By the end of the 2-weeks, and into the first few days of actually handling incoming calls....99.9% of the reps would swear never to buy a Ford.

The stories you hear are terrible. These were documented cases of problems of wheels falling off, transmissions failing, parts not available for new car models, scams by US dealers, etc.

But what I wanted to mention was that I would only buy a "classic Ford" such as a 1st generation 'Stang' or 2nd generation tops. I owned a classic '68 mint condition and it was rock solid.

Any Ford car made after the early 1970's are pure junk, a real piece of sh*t.

You wouldn't believe how many problems each car line had!

Ask yourself this question:

How many old Fords (even 10yrs old..) or any North American car in fact, do you see on the road compared to the same model year Japanese imports?

I would never ever buy any modern domestic brand, unless I knew for a fact it was engineered primarily by the Japanese, such as Toyota and Mazda.

Domestics are junk, and just to point out, ALOT of former domestic buyers have sworn never to to buy from the BIG 3 once they have owned an Import.

My brother worked for FORD. He had serious issues with even the sh*tty union mentality that most of the workers possess.

Here's an example:

My brother is an extremely hard working individual who gives 100% at every job/task that he is assigned....well being the 'new guy' on the job, several workers along his line called him over to slow down....he's making everyone look bad! They were upset that he was working efficiently, and wanted him to slow down his productivity! What a joke.

His co-worker was transferred to the Winstar assembly plant in the the west-end of GTA and was shocked to find co-workers reading newspapers and eating on the assembly line. Others crumpled up newspapers into balls and stuck them into the firewall area under the dashboard then sealed it up !

WOW - any ways my brother's friend quit shortly thereafter because he was so shocked at the way most of the workers "worked" there...and he gave up his $25+/hr job!

I've owned way too many cars to count, however I do know that overall reliability and resale value goes to the Japanese imports.

The reason people forget why the imports are pricier, are because the gov'ts slapped high tax/tariffs on imports, to protect the domestics (and their crappy workers) from losing their jobs.

Keep in mind that all BIG 3 makers have been losing serious market shares to the imports, and at the current pace, TOYOTA will actually surpass mighty GM as the #1 car manufacturer in the world! You can read about it and find out why in any paper, web article, or simply just buy an import :cheesygri

Well I feel better now that I gave my $0.02

Go out there and DO NOT buy a FORD or any domestic piece of crap.

Do yourself a favour and buy something that doesn't continually breaksdown or gets safety recalls every few months.... :cheesygri