Any RFDers here DRAGONBOAT??

[Bincent]

Hey fellow RFDers!

Just wondering if anyone here is on a dragonboat team. This season, I'm paddling for Piranhas.

In past years I've paddled for RentSheild, Scream'n Demon's, and Asian Focus Shockwave.
(Mind you that these are Toronto teams.)

Time to break out the neoprene!! :wink:

[dealforme]

Been part taking in the last couple of years. Probably won't be competing as much this year since I've got family commitments (two rug rats) and it's taking more of my time now.

The Calgary organizer guarantee that the boats will be in the water in May but we'll have to see since the forecast is for snow tomorrow. Also we haven't had exactly summer conditions to melt the ice off the reserviour. Should be exciting this year in Calgary since the Canadian Western qualification for World competition will be held in Calgary for the first time ever. Should be nice to see some real quality teams from Vancouver, like False Creek, come out. I got to see them last year and it really put in perspective where we actually stand. :shock:

[ranjeet2000]

i USED To dragonboat. did it for 2 yrs. i might renew the DEMON within and join next year :)

[frogger]

My cousin's fiance died a few years ago/drowned in lake ontario after a dragon boat practice... Cannot remember his name

[bizzo]

My cousin's fiance died a few years ago/drowned in lake ontario after a dragon boat practice... Cannot remember his name

APRIL FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[towingwidow]

I've been out to watch the races, but that's about it. Looks like fun, hell of a workout though!

[Bincent]

I'd definitely recommend it to everyone out there. It's a great way to get back into shape for the summer! :lol: And you meet a ton of amazing people too.

[7-Endless]

Hey fellow RFDers!

Just wondering if anyone here is on a dragonboat team. This season, I'm paddling for Scream'n Demon's.  

In past years I've paddled for Asian Focus Shockwave.
(Mind you that these are Toronto teams.)

How is the training coming along? SARS has started to somewhat push back some of our training (ie. pool practice is cancelled) and the weather is definitely not helping to warm up the Lake. This looks like it's going to be a really chilly season.  

Time to break out the neoprene!! :wink:

Kewl...one of my best friend's bro is on your team...:)

I believe one of the newbies (woohoo) also is in Dragonboat...

[blainehamilton]

Never done it. Sounds cool tho.


I would wait until August when the water is a lot warmer.

[dealforme]

Never done it. Sounds cool tho.  


I would wait until August when the water is a lot warmer.

Join the River Rats or ERDBA (http://www.edmdragonboat.com/) then, they're a great bunch to hang around with. We partner with them last couple of years. But paddling in the Saskatchewan river leaves something to be desired. yuk *where's the grossed out icon*

[goob3r]

ALRIGHT! Dragonboat! I've done it for 4 years now - starting my fifth season. I've been paddling with "Summer Dragons, Eh?" the past four years and other teams.

I love Dragonboat, it's such a great way to meet new people and get into shape - even if it's on one side of your body only. :lol:

[Bincent]

Wow, that's it? Only 3-4 paddlers amongst this forum. Oh well, more fun for us then :D

[grant]

I'd definitely recommend it to everyone out there. It's a great way to get back into shape for the summer!  :lol:  And you meet a ton of amazing people too.

My newly married buddy met his wife @ dragonboat

[blainehamilton]

Heh. Dragonboat singles...

[towingwidow]

Heh. Dragonboat singles...

You'd get a pretty good idea of what a person's really like in that environment, teamwork, stress, etc.

[Bincent]

towingwidow
Especially when the other person is wet and out of breath....


after a race. And what were you thinking?

[goob3r]

So far, I've enjoyed drumming the best. It's a huge stress releaver to sit up there and yell at the top of your lungs. It's just as amazing sitting up in front as it is paddling.

Centre Island has a**hole race organizers. They give you so much attitude and crap if you can't keep your boat straight in the starting blocks. That's stressful. Other races are much more relaxed about it.

[Bincent]

Hehe... getting all giddy because I'm going to be in Lake Ontario next week.... brrrrr..... :P

[Bincent]

Another season is upon us... let's bring back this ole thread :lol:

[trini]

I am an Avid spectator.........

[bionicbadger]

I was on a team 2 summers ago. It was pretty fun, good workout.

[goob3r]

damn, I was about to say, who drudged this thread back from the dead?

I've got boat practice tomorrow night! 6 degrees is awfully chilly...

[Bincent]

Originally posted by goob3r@Apr 27 2004, 03:45 AM
damn, I was about to say, who drudged this thread back from the dead?

I've got boat practice tomorrow night! 6 degrees is awfully chilly...
Haha.. :lol:

Don't worry, I was out last Wednesday (it was raining) and the water was not as cold as I expected it to be. I had a pair of thin gloves on, my hand was going into the water with every stroke, and my hand was not numb as it typically is at the beginning of the season. It felt good to be on the water again. ^_^

[felix]

Is it true it's easy to break your back doing DragonBoat? I've been telling my sister to not join this year because of what I heard from my coworkers.

[goob3r]

Holy crap it was cold today! 1 degree and my toes almost fell off.

[pureangst]

Competitiveness is only relative.

I'm new to DB'ing and joined a pretty easy going team of fellow university students. Our training is mostly entirely up to ourselves to adhere to, but we do have weekly practices on water as a team and its great fun to be out on the lake, even if it's raining and the water is very cold.

Most of the power in each stroke you do with paddles comes from extending your back, so yes it is a good workout for your back and abs, not to mention cardio.

Hope to see fellow dragonboaters at the island in June!

[Bincent]

Bump for a new season...
Any new paddlers out there? :cheesygri

[talktwo]

Part of the Tour East Rice Rockets here!!!!

That's right ... the wonderful people who sponsor the event yearly ;-)

[talktwo]

Centre Island has a**hole race organizers. They give you so much attitude and crap if you can't keep your boat straight in the starting blocks. That's stressful. Other races are much more relaxed about it.

Ya ... the officials are not very nice ... last year was TERRIBLE .....

[OceanDrop]

i love DBing!! i did it all through high school, but since going to uni i haven't been able to find a team to join.

anyone need a paddler?? PLEASE??? i'd love to join a team this summer.

i'm still in shape, i promise. taking phys ed at uoft, and trust me they don't let you get lazy.

[Bincent]

Ya ... the officials are not very nice ... last year was TERRIBLE .....

Well, they've got to be sometimes to keep the races going. With the sheer number of teams racing last year, they had to be harda$$es about keeping to the line. If they were lenient, then it would have taken much longer for races to start... and people would then be complaining about how long each race took to set up.

Let's just say that it is not as bad as some other organizers (ie. FMG) where they don't let you use your own paddle, if the blade of the paddle touches the ground while waiting for your race, you get penalized, you have to zip up your life jacket ALL the way up or you get penalized... etc. etc...

On another note.... I can't wait for the new race course that they are building to host the 2006 World Club Crew Championships here in Toronto! :cheesygri

[goob3r]

Part of the Tour East Rice Rockets here!!!!

That's right ... the wonderful people who sponsor the event yearly ;-)

I have to watch what I post now. Considering we're on the same team. I'm almost certain I know who you are. :lol:

I love how Bincent bumps his post every year... and I keep replying every year.

I guess this makes it my eighth paddling season. I'm ready to try some kayaking or canoeing.

[talktwo]

I have to watch what I post now. Considering we're on the same team. I'm almost certain I know who you are. :lol:

I love how Bincent bumps his post every year... and I keep replying every year.

I guess this makes it my eighth paddling season. I'm ready to try some kayaking or canoeing.

*blink* ... uh oh ... someone who know's me but I don't know them ... shed some light else I'll go crazy ... plus, I won't be there Tues. :cheesygri

[Nurse_Shocker]

Hey, just re-resurrecting this thread as we're more into the season now. I just started paddling with a team here in edmonton, and it's actually pretty fun. DO you guys have any recommendations as to getting your own life jacket, or gloves, or water shoes? Do these things actually make a difference for you?

[felix]

Is it true it's bad for your back? I heard some people who broke their back doing this sport.

My sister has been doing dragon boat the last couple years and warned her about it (her team is called Banana Boat or something).

[talktwo]

Is it true it's bad for your back? I heard some people who broke their back doing this sport.

My sister has been doing dragon boat the last couple years and warned her about it (her team is called Banana Boat or something).

I don't think someone can break their back doing this sport (maybe ... but I highly doubt it) ... it definately does take a toll on your back though.

Let me put it this way, I actually did break my back 4 years ago skiing (cracked and compressed two vertabrae) ... and I still do Dragonboat. It hurts the first couple times during practise, but once you build up the muscles around that area it shouldn't hurt as much.

Hope that helps

[trini]

Hey my friend is a petite hot chinee thing and her team won a couple weeks ago in some lil place out of Toronto they had a session.
Forgot the name of the town.

[slippy]

i did! for 5 years
4 years paddling and 1 year cox

i decided that's enough, plus i hurt my back

[UrbanPoet]

^ heheheheeh he said cox

[7jai]

i volunteered for dragonboat? haha

[goob3r]

Is it true it's bad for your back? I heard some people who broke their back doing this sport.

My sister has been doing dragon boat the last couple years and warned her about it (her team is called Banana Boat or something).

Any type of repetitive motion sport isn't good... running's not good for your knees, but people do it all the same.

Anyway, there's a team of chriropractors in Sudbury and they do the sport all the same so if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me.

[leafs]

I was past of the Apotex Drugoons last year. Won Gold in our division at Ontario Place our team got cut this year because of funding. This is a great sport. lot's of fun.

[dealforme]

If you're more hard core then you can get your own lifejacket. I would recommend the gloves and water shoes.

As to the sport being bad for your back, it can be but if you properly train and strengthen your core then it isn't much of a problem. Paddling isn't like a canoe stroke where you use your arms. You're using the paddle as a pulling point and the power is generated by rotating your upper body pulling yourself to your paddle.


Hey, just re-resurrecting this thread as we're more into the season now. I just started paddling with a team here in edmonton, and it's actually pretty fun. DO you guys have any recommendations as to getting your own life jacket, or gloves, or water shoes? Do these things actually make a difference for you?

[Bincent]

So another year, another BUMP! :cheesygri

I'm paddling for the Piranha's this season.

Anyone else out there a fellow paddler?

[eelfliw]

gf is into it. Practice started in Jan. Her team joins quite a number of races locally (Centre Island, GWN, Summer Sizzler etc.). Also goes to a race in Mtl during summer. It's a lot of fun except it's almost impossible to actually win a race as the team that usually wins the race has a few Olympic rowers in it.

[Bincent]

Agreed that some of the more popular/larger festivals have really competitive teams, but not all the top teams have olympic caliber paddlers. Some just train really hard and have an excellent coach.

With this sport, it really comes down to dedication of the entire team. You can have an entire team of really fit individuals, but if they don't commit to the training regiment, then they are only going to go so far.

Although it's quite difficult to win an entire festival (not impossible since my team has done it), it's not impossible to win your division. It's very difficult to break into the A division these days, but there are still a lot of good teams in the B division as well - and winning in B would be considered very good as well.

[numb555]

HOORRAY FOR DRAGON BOATING...

I'll see everyone at Centre Island ... And we are planning to take the Z division championship home!

[CSR]

Who's racing this year?

[Bincent]

I am... Even though I'm getting married this year too... :cheesygri

Talk about being busy :lol:

Hey CSR, what team are you on?

[phillbert]

this sounds fun. any teams still looking for that one last guy??? :cheesygri :cheesygri

[CSR]

I am... Even though I'm getting married this year too... :cheesygri

Talk about being busy :lol:

Hey CSR, what team are you on?


UTSC Scarlem DragonBoat team

[Bincent]

Heh...

Reviving the good ole' dragonboat thread :razz:

Anyone looking for a team b/c my team is still a little short on paddlers. If you're interested, PM me.

Just a little info on my team (Piranhas):
- we're pretty competitive (typically A division finalists)
- we train hard (we also have fun, but that is outside of training)
- you will also have the opportunity to paddle/compete in flatwater (Canoe/Kayak/War Canoe)
- age range is around 25-35
- we train down at Balmy Beach (Ashbridges Bay - Coxwell/Lakeshore)

[bananaman]

this sounds fun. any teams still looking for that one last guy??? :cheesygri :cheesygri

I'm with Big Fish and we are looking for a couple of guys (left preferred) and couple of girls (left or right). We are on the water in a couple of weeks at TSCC. You'll know how competitive we are if you heard of the team.

[bananaman]

Heh...

Reviving the good ole' dragonboat thread :razz:

Anyone looking for a team b/c my team is still a little short on paddlers. If you're interested, PM me.

Just a little info on my team (Piranhas):
- we're pretty competitive (typically A division finalists)
- we train hard (we also have fun, but that is outside of training)
- you will also have the opportunity to paddle/compete in flatwater (Canoe/Kayak/War Canoe)
- age range is around 25-35
- we train down at Balmy Beach (Ashbridges Bay - Coxwell/Lakeshore)


How's the cross-training coming along? I would imagine that having an opportunity to practice in small boats really help make that connection/feeling with the water.

[Bincent]

How's the cross-training coming along? I would imagine that having an opportunity to practice in small boats really help make that connection/feeling with the water.

It's horrible... don't do it! lol just kidding

It's great. I love flatwater more than DB now (I think mainly because it is just so much more challenging). I must say that I knew nothing about connection before I started in this program. Now I'm always looking for more.

I'd highly recommend jumping in a small boat if you ever get a chance. Whether it be a C1, C2, C4, K1, K2, outrigger, etc, it will definitely make you notice things that you never did before.

[Bincent]

Out on the water this Sunday!!! YAY!.... brrr... >:(

[oscar_dog]

Is it even safe to go out tomorrow? i mean, if someone were to fall in the water, wouldn't there be risk of hypothermia?

[bananaman]

Well, you have to have a PFD on with you at all times. In the event that you do fall into the water, your PFD will keep you afloat and make it easier for people to pull you back into the boat/shore. Today wasn't that bad, water was calm enough, as long as you stayed within the breakwalls/rockpiles.

Tommorrow, I expect choppier waves and gustier winds. Too bad it's raining tommorrow.

[el_diablo007]

I'm not sure where you guys practice but the last week was just awful for water conditions around the cherry street docks / toronto harbour area, with the exception of Saturday.

[Bincent]

Went out yesterday and it was nice... a little chilly at first, but was nice once you got warmed up.

As for falling in, Dragonboats are pretty stable (especially if you're comparing this to a War Canoe, C1 or K1) and they surprisingly don't flip all that often. I have seen them flip, but if you're careful, you can typically avoid it (most important thing to do is KEEP PADDLING). And as the others have mentioned, as long as you stay within bounds that are safe, then likelihood of flipping in relatively calm water is negligible.

Going to head out tonight again... hope it won't be too cold/rainy. Are we gluttons for punishment or what? :razz:

[Bincent]

Heh... reviving this dusty ole thread. :D
Haha.. just noticed that it's exactly one year from my last post from last year.

Any fellow paddlers out there?

Going to be on the water this Sunday. So looking forward to it after being couped up indoors all winter. Hopefully this warm weather will keep up.

[bananaman]

Going out tomorrow night.=))))))

Drumming/coaching on Saturday morning.

[Bincent]

Going out tomorrow night.=))))))

Drumming/coaching on Saturday morning.

Ooooh... should be nice weather... Going to hit 20° today... don't know what the temp of the water is like though.

[d0fuz]

I paddle for the seawolves :)

[Jayhoo]

Paddled (and paddle-whored) for a few teams for a few years now - can't wait to get back out on the water :D

[SamInfinity]

How do newbies start getting involved with Dragonboating? I've never tried it, but it seems like fun, but I'm still not sure if it's going to be for me.

[Jayhoo]

There are lots of "newbie" teams out there. First place to look would be in your own company if you work for one thats sizeable enough. Next, there is a forum (I think its called paddles up or something like that) where you can post up what you're looking for in a team, and browse team postings.

PA (paddlers annonymous) are notorious for having 10000 crews, you might want to check with them to see if they have a spot for ya to try out :)

[CSR]

Check your school, most universities have a team.

[goob3r]

I've got a team currently looking for paddlers due to drop outs. Females specifically, but will consider males.

A little bit of info:
- New recreation team
- paddle outside of Sunnyside in Toronto
- twice a week on water
- experience ranges from 0-10 years, avg around 4 years
- age range is 23-35

PM me if interested!

[SamInfinity]

Check your school, most universities have a team.

I know, but I can't commit to them because next year I'll be on practical rotations 2nd term, which may place me anywhere in Ontario. I'm just looking to get my feet a little wet, possibly over the summer and fall. Nothing too serious.

[Bincent]

I know, but I can't commit to them because next year I'll be on practical rotations 2nd term, which may place me anywhere in Ontario. I'm just looking to get my feet a little wet, possibly over the summer and fall. Nothing too serious.

There are a couple of things that you might be able to do.

1) Post something on this forum and hope for a response with what you are looking for.
2) Contact TCBA (the organization that plans the big Centre Island Race) and ask them if they know of any teams that are looking: http://www.dragonboats.com/pages/contact.html


3) Post your info here, if it matches your needs: http://www.gwndragonboat.com/default.asp?id=145&l=1

Here's a quote from their site

GWN Dragon Boat Challenge
Toronto, Ontario, September 6th & 7th, 2008
Join other like-minded individuals for the ultimate experience. GWN Dragon Boat is pleased to provide the opportunity for individuals or groups of friends to join a new dragon boat team, the Toronto Earth Dragons. GWN has received numerous requests from solo paddlers so here is your chance to meet some great people and enjoy the thrill of dragon boating.

To join the Toronto Earth Dragons just fill in the following form. Once the necessary number of participants are reached, we will contact you to assist in meeting and launching your new team. The cost is $115 per person which includes 4 practices in August at the Outer Harbour Dragon Boat Club, all equipment, entry into the GWN Dragon Boat Challenge on the Toronto Waterfront (Sept 6th and 7th) and even a team tent!

Sign up today and experience the world's fastest growing watersport!

[lamster00]

I paddle for paddlers anonymous and really enjoyed last season. You get a good workout, meet new people and have fun doing dragon boat activities.

I believe all our boats are full the last time i checked but i do know that some teams start recruite later in the season and their main race is GWN instead of Centre Island.

Paddles up!!

[SamInfinity]

Thanks Bincent!

[flexed]

I'm a newbie who's been dying to get started with DB... my friends have done it in the past with the likes of PA and whatnot, so I figure this is my year (been putting it off in past years because something always came up, i.e. school, etc)

If anyone knows any recreational teams still recruiting for the new season this summer, any info via pm would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a bunch!

[surge]

Anyone else going to Penang in August?

[Bincent]

If anyone knows any recreational teams still recruiting for the new season this summer, any info via pm would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a bunch!

Teams have just got on the water in the last week or two. Some Rec teams may not have even started on the water yet. Your chances are pretty high that there are still teams looking for paddlers.


Anyone else going to Penang in August?
I'm going!! :cheesygri

[Jayhoo]

Jealous :P

[bananaman]

Don't think I'm going to Penang, too expensive and not enough time off from work.

Was out on the water this morning and the water was freezing cold. There was ice on the dock and I was crawling on the dock because I didn't want to slip and fall into the water.

[surge]

Teams have just got on the water in the last week or two. Some Rec teams may not have even started on the water yet. Your chances are pretty high that there are still teams looking for paddlers.


I'm going!! :cheesygri


sweet! what crew?

[I0s]

I am interested in joining this season. I am a total newbie, but really want to try it out. Any openings?
Thanks

[SamInfinity]

I am interested in joining this season. I am a total newbie, but really want to try it out. Any openings?
Thanks

I signed up for the GWN one posted a couple of pages earlier as a beginner. Hopefully the team will fill and we'll get to do some races.

[Bincent]

sweet! what crew?

Piranhas...

What team are you paddling for?

[surge]

rampage.

[lazer]

i have been wanting to try dragon boating for a while. is there recreational teams or groups that anyone can recommend? I'm in Toronto

[surge]

Good job at pickering yesterday everyone! And also if anyone went to Milton the week before, 2k was tight! Finally for once we had some good weather.

And of course the point of my post: Anyone want to buy a used, perfect condition (just re-epoxied) 51 Chinook Diablo Carbon fibre paddle?

[Bincent]

Big Centre Island Race is tomorrow.. who's going? :cheesygri

[mmiu]

PM sent regarding paddle.

[surge]

My team ordered one too many paddles and now we have a new 47 chinook diablo full carbon fibre paddle laying around. PM me if you want it, dirt cheap for an excellent IDBF standardized paddle.

[animaloc]

I'm paddling in Huntsville and Stratford for the season.
Any deals on equipment, paddles etc.?

[surge]

Deals on paddles usually come from group buys. Find a team that is buying paddles and tag along in their buy.


On a new note, great job in Malaysia everyone! Canada cleaned the CCWC slates and brought back crazy hardware.

RESULTS:

Day 1:
http://www.penangdragonboat.com/images/2008/result1.xls

Day 2:
http://www.penangdragonboat.com/images/2008/result2.xls

Day 3:
http://www.penangdragonboat.com/images/2008/result3.xls

Day 4:
http://www.penangdragonboat.com/images/2008/result4.xls

[viSion]

Hi!

I'm also new looking to try dragonboat, or rowing. I was looking to see if anyone could tell me the differences between the two and why they prefer dragon boat in comparison. Also, how is the learning curve? I wanted to join the university team and don't want anyone to be all pissed off when I suck.

Thank you!

[Jayhoo]

GWN Comin' up :) Who's going?

[bananaman]

Hi!

I'm also new looking to try dragonboat, or rowing. I was looking to see if anyone could tell me the differences between the two and why they prefer dragon boat in comparison. Also, how is the learning curve? I wanted to join the university team and don't want anyone to be all pissed off when I suck.

Thank you!

The biggest difference between dragonboat and rowing is that with the former, a person faces forward, and the latter, a person faces backwards. Either sport uses completely different set of muscles, dragonboating focusing on upper body and rowing focusing on lower body.

Dragonboating has a very easy learning curve, you just pick up a paddle and go. A boat with 20 people is inherently stable. Most university teams will take you on board if you have strong fitness and good enthusiasm. The amount of training depends on which team you join. Dragonboat season is usually in the summer but most university teams have winter training programs to prepare for the upcoming season. Most university teams require you to try out so if you suck, you won't make the cut. =)

Rowing is much harder sport and requires much more training. You'll need to join a university novice crew in beginning of September, as it sounds like you don't have any prior rowing experience. You are expected to train every morning until the season ends. University rowing programs are inherently competitive, so you'll be out every morning for a row, and training on the ergs every afternoon. There are regattas every weekend from September until late October/early November. University rowing teams will have winter training if you're serious in coming back the following season. A spot on the team is usually guaranteed if you are committed to the team and show up for every practice and work hard, but again if you suck and a coach has to pick 8 guys out of a pool of 9, you're cut.

I have done both sports, I paddle for an A-level dragonboat team and have rowed for the U of T varsity team. I highly recommend both.

[bananaman]

GWN Comin' up :) Who's going?

I'm going too. :) It'll be very competitive this year.

[Jayhoo]

:P Dreams of hardware are dashed then

[Bincent]

I'm going too. :) It'll be very competitive this year.


:P Dreams of hardware are dashed then

Hey, what team are you guys on anyways?

Piranha's aren't going to be at GWN so I'm hopping on the Mofo's boat (you'll probably find me pretty easy since I'll probably be the only one with a shirt on :lol: )

[Jayhoo]

Swordfish :)

hahaha :cheesygri shirtless flexing = the mofo trademark

[I0s]

GWN Comin' up :) Who's going?

I signed up through GWN, as a newbie. Got into a team called Toronto Earth Dragons but only 5 ppl paid so got cancelled.
Was going to be my first time and was looking forward it but I guess there is always next year. :cry:

[Jayhoo]

I signed up through GWN, as a newbie. Got into a team called Toronto Earth Dragons but only 5 ppl paid so got cancelled.
Was going to be my first time and was looking forward it but I guess there is always next year. :cry:

Could always come out anyway, and walk around, see what the culture is like... More often than not, there are calls over the PA for extra paddlers!

[bananaman]

Hey, what team are you guys on anyways?

Piranha's aren't going to be at GWN so I'm hopping on the Mofo's boat (you'll probably find me pretty easy since I'll probably be the only one with a shirt on :lol: )

I'm with Big Fish.

[viSion]

Thank you for your help! I decided to try out for dragon boat because I don't think I can commit the time to rowing with my schedule right now. What will tryouts be like? A brief crash course and then I gotta wing it? They are on the 20th so I am doing my reading up. We'll see how it goes! Thank you again.

[Jayhoo]

How'd everyone do? We did alright (a marked improvement from last year's team), but were off a podium finish by a less than a second :P

Vision, something to remember if you're going to try out, and will hold pretty universally true in any team you go on:

Stay in sync. Even if your arms are burning (supposed to be your back, but for beginners it'll be your arms) and you can't breathe, stay in sync or you'll throw off the rest of the boat.

[Jayhoo]

Anyone doing stratford tomorrow? :P It promises to be a wet one.

[surge]

How'd everyone do? We did alright (a marked improvement from last year's team), but were off a podium finish by a less than a second :P

Vision, something to remember if you're going to try out, and will hold pretty universally true in any team you go on:

Stay in sync. Even if your arms are burning (supposed to be your back, but for beginners it'll be your arms) and you can't breathe, stay in sync or you'll throw off the rest of the boat.

Wasn't with my team but we won the education cup:) And yea, Jayhoo speaks the tooth, go sync or go bust. Even if you're not pulling, sync is key.

[jandumm]

Our Dragonboat team is desperately looking for a few more paddlers...we're 5 paddlers short of the minimum required (20)....and don't want to cancel the season :(

We're a recreational co-ed team ranging in age from 19-35 but all ages are welcome...experience is definitely not a pre-requisite.

Practices will be in Mississauga @ 6 pm every Monday beginning at the end of April until September. We will be racing @ 2 regattas (Stratford and Waterloo probably) - costs are yet to be determined but are estimated to be around $175 per paddler.

Please PM me if you're interested

[Jayhoo]

^^^ There's a paddling-specific forum (PaddlesUp I think it is) that despite the rampant e-peen flexing, you can post up there and probably find some impromtu paddlers.

You can also post up things at work and see if anyone is interested in joining.

[Jayhoo]

Side note, anyone going to Ottawa next weekend? We're short 2 paddlers (doesn't matter what side, we have quite a few switch-paddlers), and are looking for some experienced people to jump in.

[bananaman]

I'd help out, but am going to the Island, and is happening at the same time as Ottawa.

Though, I would like to go to Ottawa. I heard it's a great festival for competitive and recreational teams. An 8 boat final sounds so tight.

[jandumm]

Anyone going to St. Catherines on July 25th? Our team is a full crew but a few people can't make it due to other commitments........

[d0fuz]

I might be interested. left side male?


Anyone going to St. Catherines on July 25th? Our team is a full crew but a few people can't make it due to other commitments........

[DraKoLich]

Anyone have a carbon fibre or high performance paddle they want to sell?

PM me

[Jayhoo]

I've got a 47" Apex carbon composite paddle fs - used only 1 season.

[Jayhoo]

Shameless plug! I've finally put my "for-sale" paddle thread up:

FOR SALE!! (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9005282)

[isom3tric]

Hey guys, got a question.

I have a choice between the Apex Accelerator (1 piece carbon-fibre, technically 2 cause I think the handle is glued on?) vs. the ZRE Dragon (3 piece carbon-fibre), our team is doing a group buy with other teams and the prices are the same for both paddles (but I believe the ZRE comes with a carbon palm grip vs the accelerator having just a standard carbon fibre T-handle). Pricing is really good compared to retail.

I'm currently using the Apex Durablade, and this is my 1st season paddling. I REALLY enjoy the sport and I'm going to be in this for the long run. I can always go back to the Durablade anytime for the university I'm paddling with owns a bunch of them (lol, this really narrows down the university I paddle for because I think we're the only university team that paddles with our own branded Durablades). Yes I'm pretty newb to this sport, but I've grown to enjoy it a lot.

From the two, which would you pro's go for. Thanks :D

[sillygyrl8]

Hey guys, got a question.

I have a choice between the Apex Accelerator (1 piece carbon-fibre, technically 2 cause I think the handle is glued on?) vs. the ZRE Dragon (3 piece carbon-fibre), our team is doing a group buy with other teams and the prices are the same for both paddles (but I believe the ZRE comes with a carbon palm grip vs the accelerator having just a standard carbon fibre T-handle). Pricing is really good compared to retail.

I'm currently using the Apex Durablade, and this is my 1st season paddling. I REALLY enjoy the sport and I'm going to be in this for the long run. I can always go back to the Durablade anytime for the university I'm paddling with owns a bunch of them (lol, this really narrows down the university I paddle for because I think we're the only university team that paddles with our own branded Durablades). Yes I'm pretty newb to this sport, but I've grown to enjoy it a lot.

From the two, which would you pro's go for. Thanks :D

u go rye-high?

[sillygyrl8]

Shameless plug! I've finally put my "for-sale" paddle thread up:

FOR SALE!! (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9005282)

jay! i would buy your chinook but 51 is kinda long for me... :(

Hey - I'm a female paddler who can paddle left and right and since my season with my team is done, i'm optioning out my skills :P pm me if you guys are looking for paddler(s).

[sillygyrl8]

Anyone going to St. Catherines on July 25th? Our team is a full crew but a few people can't make it due to other commitments........

which crew co you paddle with? its also montreal weekend, but i prefer to stay local.

[bananaman]

I heard good things about the ZRE. They are one of the lightest paddles around. I haven't heard any bad things about it. Note that this paddle is NOT full carbon fiber. Only the handle and the blade is full carbon fiber, the shaft is some sort of stiff plastic. It also makes a distinct "whooping" sound if your team emphasizes on fast exit. As for palm grip, either you love it or not use it. I prefer it because it fits my hand better and is more comfortable. In any case, I haven't heard anyone complain about the ZRE.

Apex seems to be mixed for me. They are very light and have excellent customer support. One person on my team had some damage to the paddle and the company replaced it free of charge.

However, their paddles can have shoddy workmanship. A teammate has an Apex paddle where you could see chunks of missing carbon fiber weave, revealing the core foam. The resin keeps it in place but, if the company advertises full carbon fiber, the entire paddle should be covered in carbon fiber. Though, the missing chunk is on the apex of the blade, so it shouldn't have any structural impact. Still, it looks very sloppy.

I myself use an Apex Ultimate which is an adjustable full carbon. But it is significantly heavier than the Accelerator or the ZRE.

Either way, you can't go wrong with either paddle. It comes down to preference.


Hey guys, got a question.

I have a choice between the Apex Accelerator (1 piece carbon-fibre, technically 2 cause I think the handle is glued on?) vs. the ZRE Dragon (3 piece carbon-fibre), our team is doing a group buy with other teams and the prices are the same for both paddles (but I believe the ZRE comes with a carbon palm grip vs the accelerator having just a standard carbon fibre T-handle). Pricing is really good compared to retail.

I'm currently using the Apex Durablade, and this is my 1st season paddling. I REALLY enjoy the sport and I'm going to be in this for the long run. I can always go back to the Durablade anytime for the university I'm paddling with owns a bunch of them (lol, this really narrows down the university I paddle for because I think we're the only university team that paddles with our own branded Durablades). Yes I'm pretty newb to this sport, but I've grown to enjoy it a lot.

From the two, which would you pro's go for. Thanks :D

[isom3tric]

u go rye-high?

yup! RYE-D-BOAT!

[pmc]

4 past seasons now retired to recreational single scull.

[Bincent]

Hey guys, got a question.

I have a choice between the Apex Accelerator (1 piece carbon-fibre, technically 2 cause I think the handle is glued on?) vs. the ZRE Dragon (3 piece carbon-fibre), our team is doing a group buy with other teams and the prices are the same for both paddles (but I believe the ZRE comes with a carbon palm grip vs the accelerator having just a standard carbon fibre T-handle). Pricing is really good compared to retail.

I'm currently using the Apex Durablade, and this is my 1st season paddling. I REALLY enjoy the sport and I'm going to be in this for the long run. I can always go back to the Durablade anytime for the university I'm paddling with owns a bunch of them (lol, this really narrows down the university I paddle for because I think we're the only university team that paddles with our own branded Durablades). Yes I'm pretty newb to this sport, but I've grown to enjoy it a lot.

From the two, which would you pro's go for. Thanks :D

I would personally go with ZRE. I've owned mine for over 4 years now and it's still going strong. However, I do think it is somewhat of a personal preference here. I've tried many other brands and I just didn't like how any of them felt. Each brand will have slightly different fulcrums so the balance is thrown off depending on how you hold your paddle as well.

The best thing to do is try and paddle an entire practice (or at least half a practice) with each paddle. You can't really appreciate a paddle until you've at least paddled with it for a little while. And if you're going to spend $150-$200 on a paddle, you might as well be sure that you're getting one for the long run. :D

[Bincent]

jay! i would buy your chinook but 51 is kinda long for me... :(

Hey - I'm a female paddler who can paddle left and right and since my season with my team is done, i'm optioning out my skills :P pm me if you guys are looking for paddler(s).

Hey,
Our team (Piranhas) is looking for some interested paddlers. We train hard but we also have lost of fun off the water. We placed 6th overall at Centre Island this year and we're also gunning for a spot to represent Canada at the 2010 Club Crews in Macau.

Let me know if you're interested or you can email piranhas@gmail.com

Cheers,
Vince

[sillygyrl8]

I heard good things about the ZRE. They are one of the lightest paddles around. I haven't heard any bad things about it. Note that this paddle is NOT full carbon fiber. Only the handle and the blade is full carbon fiber, the shaft is some sort of stiff plastic. It also makes a distinct "whooping" sound if your team emphasizes on fast exit. As for palm grip, either you love it or not use it. I prefer it because it fits my hand better and is more comfortable. In any case, I haven't heard anyone complain about the ZRE.

Apex seems to be mixed for me. They are very light and have excellent customer support. One person on my team had some damage to the paddle and the company replaced it free of charge.

However, their paddles can have shoddy workmanship. A teammate has an Apex paddle where you could see chunks of missing carbon fiber weave, revealing the core foam. The resin keeps it in place but, if the company advertises full carbon fiber, the entire paddle should be covered in carbon fiber. Though, the missing chunk is on the apex of the blade, so it shouldn't have any structural impact. Still, it looks very sloppy.

I myself use an Apex Ultimate which is an adjustable full carbon. But it is significantly heavier than the Accelerator or the ZRE.

Either way, you can't go wrong with either paddle. It comes down to preference.

they don't make the ultimate anymore - that's the carbon/kevlar paddle.

[sillygyrl8]

Hey,
Our team (Piranhas) is looking for some interested paddlers. We train hard but we also have lost of fun off the water. We placed 6th overall at Centre Island this year and we're also gunning for a spot to represent Canada at the 2010 Club Crews in Macua.

Let me know if you're interested or you can email piranhas@gmail.com

Cheers,
Vince

you guys took on stevie and colleen... i paddled with him 2 years ago at ryerson. I know who you guys are.. I paddled for td with colleen this year and banana boat last year where vern was coaching for us before she went to malaysia with you guys to support willy. :) I never think I'm a good enough paddler, nor fit enough, nor ready to join better more hardcore teams yet :(

[sillygyrl8]

yup! RYE-D-BOAT!

rye-d-boat alum here!
we inched you guys out in hamilton :P

[isom3tric]

rye-d-boat alum here!
we inched you guys out in hamilton :P

OMG yeah lol hamilton, the team was kinda lost that day because nick wasn't there. We changed line ups like crazy, we had problems with calls, our starts didn't feel like our real starts. It was just a mess. Our team learned A LOT from that regatta.

Assuming you're TD, I thought you guys were on steroids or something that day cause you guys were doing really well!

[sillygyrl8]

OMG yeah lol hamilton, the team was kinda lost that day because nick wasn't there. We changed line ups like crazy, we had problems with calls, our starts didn't feel like our real starts. It was just a mess. Our team learned A LOT from that regatta.

Assuming you're TD, I thought you guys were on steroids or something that day cause you guys were doing really well!

:D steroids.. maybe? crazy tailwind also helped... its the end of our season... so i guess we wanted to make it count.

[Slags]

I heard good things about the ZRE. They are one of the lightest paddles around. I haven't heard any bad things about it. Note that this paddle is NOT full carbon fiber. Only the handle and the blade is full carbon fiber, the shaft is some sort of stiff plastic. It also makes a distinct "whooping" sound if your team emphasizes on fast exit. As for palm grip, either you love it or not use it. I prefer it because it fits my hand better and is more comfortable. In any case, I haven't heard anyone complain about the ZRE.


The ZRE's are full carbon. The shaft uses pre-preg carbon fibre. The epoxy resin is applied at the factory where the carbon fibre cloth is made. It is precisely controlled to provide the exact ratio of carbon fibre to epoxy required for maximum strength. This is the same process that's used for the carbon fibre found in F1 cars.

If the shaft was made with plastic, the paddle would definitely not be as light as it is.

http://revver.com/video/1376159/what-is-pre-preg-in-a-carbon-sup-paddle/

[Eyies]

Signed up for my work team.. never dragonboated before but am pretty fit and do a lot of sports (volleyball, squash, weights, running). Race is in mid Aug against some other companies. We got about 4 practices scheduled. I'll be sure to check in here once in awhile.

[Jayhoo]

I'm picking up my ZRE on Wednesday :) I'll post my findings.

[sillygyrl8]

Signed up for my work team.. never dragonboated before but am pretty fit and do a lot of sports (volleyball, squash, weights, running). Race is in mid Aug against some other companies. We got about 4 practices scheduled. I'll be sure to check in here once in awhile.

how's ur abs, back and core strength :)

[jandumm]

how's ur abs, back and core strength :)

ugh yah, i've been having some lower back issues -> abs are stronger than back was, but definitely working on it.

[sillygyrl8]

ugh yah, i've been having some lower back issues -> abs are stronger than back was, but definitely working on it.

i was talking to eyies ;) lol...

as long as your abs and back hurt, and not your arms - u're doing good :)

[jandumm]

i was talking to eyies ;) lol...

as long as your abs and back hurt, and not your arms - u're doing good :)

yah i know :P

was hijacking the thread to complain about me....sorry about that

[isom3tric]

:D steroids.. maybe? crazy tailwind also helped... its the end of our season... so i guess we wanted to make it count.

We'll be finishing up our season in 2 weeks at Montreal, I'm sad :(.

I wonder if there are any rec teams that are just starting and doing a couple august regattas. I might join them :). Anyone know any?

[Eyies]

how's ur abs, back and core strength :)

I would think they're decent, though I really do lifting less than I should. Mainly, I play a couple sports and run.. a lot.

I can hold the plank position for over 4 minutes though :cheesygri. But I guess that's.. muscular endurance rather than strength?

[bananaman]

Ah I see. After some research, looks like the ZRE uses two different types of prepeg carbon fiber (PP CF): 1. Unidirectional Carbon Fiber and 2. Woven Carbon Cloth. So I'm wrong on the assumption that ZRE uses a "plastic" shaft. I'm now convinced that ZRE is full CF construction, just that ZRE uses two different types of CF: woven for handle and blade, unidirectional for shaft.

I often associate carbon fiber with a "woven cloth" appearance. However, sheets of CF can also take on "matte" look with unidirectional lines running down the shaft.

With some research, both woven and unidirectional PP CP has its strength and weaknesses.

I have basic Materials Knowledge from MSE101 in my first year of university. I may be wrong on some technicalities, but I'll do my best to explain. And my conclusions are based on research I did on the web, so no assumptions are made.

CF composites have excellent load bearing strength along the fibers' direction of travel. In my opinion, the biggest material and structural difference between the ZRE and Apex is the shaft. ZRE uses unidirectional PP CF, Apex uses woven PP CF. My guess is that unidirectional PP CF has a lower manufacturing cost than woven PP CF.

My experiences with paddling dictate that most of the stress on the shaft occurs closer to the horizontal plane than vertical plane because there is more surface area resisting the horizontal plane of motion than the vertical plane of motion. Based on my research, I would argue that shafts made with unidirectional PP CF is not as strong as woven PP CF on the Apex because most of the stress occurs closer to the horizontal plane. Hence, woven carbon fiber would be the more appropriate material to use for a paddle. Since almost NO ONE paddles perfectly horizontal and there will always be some positive and negative angles on the blade, the unidirectional CP FF will provide some horizontal load support based on simple vector mechanics. However, woven CF will provide further load bearing strength because of fibers running along the horizontal and vertical axis. In terms of shaft strength, I think Apex wins.

Further, Apex paddles are reportedly lighter than ZRE. Depending on length and handle, Apex ranges from 370-420g, ZRE ranges from 410-450g.

PP CF Sources:
http://www.speedcomposites.com/sc-usa/faq.htm
http://www.mdacomposites.org/mda/psgbridge_cb_materials3_reinforcements.html

Paddle Weight Sources:
http://www.dragonglobe.com/paddles/zre-dragon-carbon-fibre-paddle/
https://www.gwndragonboat.com/store/Default.asp?page=PRODUCT&product_id=52



The ZRE's are full carbon. The shaft uses pre-preg carbon fibre. The epoxy resin is applied at the factory where the carbon fibre cloth is made. It is precisely controlled to provide the exact ratio of carbon fibre to epoxy required for maximum strength. This is the same process that's used for the carbon fibre found in F1 cars.

If the shaft was made with plastic, the paddle would definitely not be as light as it is.

http://revver.com/video/1376159/what-is-pre-preg-in-a-carbon-sup-paddle/

[sillygyrl8]

I would think they're decent, though I really do lifting less than I should. Mainly, I play a couple sports and run.. a lot.

I can hold the plank position for over 4 minutes though :cheesygri. But I guess that's.. muscular endurance rather than strength?

that's good 4 mins of plank - u'll definitely need core strength and back muscles for the a-frame.

i think you need a good mixture of both endurance and strength.

[sillygyrl8]

We'll be finishing up our season in 2 weeks at Montreal, I'm sad :(.

I wonder if there are any rec teams that are just starting and doing a couple august regattas. I might join them :). Anyone know any?

there's a bunch of regattas still going on -
woodstock aug 8th
huntsville aug 8th
York Region Aug 15th
London Aug 15-16th
oakville aug 16th (same race course as milton)
barrie aug 22
gwn sept 12-13
stratford sept 19
belleville sept 19
coburg sept 26

gwn has a listing of teams looking for paddlers for certain festivals. a lot of teams look for paddlers in aug/sept. you can also email whichever festival you are interested in and ask if they have teams looking for paddlers. i did that a couple of times.

btw iso, who are you? has nick introduced us before?

[jandumm]

hey, i'm looking for any ideas on where to purchase a dragonboat lifejacket from that's a cheaper than the $150-170

FYI Paddle Shack in Oakville went out of business...

[d0fuz]

hey, i'm looking for any ideas on where to purchase a dragonboat lifejacket from that's a cheaper than the $150-170

FYI Paddle Shack in Oakville went out of business...

Try mec, might be a bit far for you. They usually have nice ones at around 100~

And at 150 < you can still try ordering online.

-d

[isom3tric]

there's a bunch of regattas still going on -
woodstock aug 8th
huntsville aug 8th
York Region Aug 15th
London Aug 15-16th
oakville aug 16th (same race course as milton)
barrie aug 22
gwn sept 12-13
stratford sept 19
belleville sept 19
coburg sept 26

gwn has a listing of teams looking for paddlers for certain festivals. a lot of teams look for paddlers in aug/sept. you can also email whichever festival you are interested in and ask if they have teams looking for paddlers. i did that a couple of times.

btw iso, who are you? has nick introduced us before?

Hmm I might do that....

I don't think nick introduced us formally I'm ray, I sat 8th seat terminator/rocket in island left hand side. I'm also known as the guy who brings the big camera to all regattas. The only one I know of in TD is ryan, cause I talked about cameras with him before in one of the regatta's and if it wasn't for him lending us his portable stove and pan, we would've starved in Milton lol

[sillygyrl8]

hey, i'm looking for any ideas on where to purchase a dragonboat lifejacket from that's a cheaper than the $150-170

FYI Paddle Shack in Oakville went out of business...

europe bound took over i think.

i got a ladies' fit stohloquist pfd from mec at the end of the april. discounted from $130, i paid $90.

[sillygyrl8]

Try mec, might be a bit far for you. They usually have nice ones at around 100~

And at 150 < you can still try ordering online.

-d

there's a mec in burlington now... if you're out that way - try tumblehome in burlington too - they had some nice salus pfds for <$80.

there`s the complete paddler just off the qew (near islington). try coast mountain sports at square one and canadian tire - they have some of the more comfortable paddling ones and not just the lifejackets.

Also, mec sells the stohlquist wedge-e unisex pfd for $110 http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=84552444228 1901&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302701119&bmUID=1247717534659

[sillygyrl8]

Hmm I might do that....

I don't think nick introduced us formally I'm ray, I sat 8th seat terminator/rocket in island left hand side. I'm also known as the guy who brings the big camera to all regattas. The only one I know of in TD is ryan, cause I talked about cameras with him before in one of the regatta's and if it wasn't for him lending us his portable stove and pan, we would've starved in Milton lol

i think my bf (jan) went over to help you guys out with stoves at milton. I was the one who brought you guys over to joanna's (sinai lighting) to eat. i'm the other joanna :) or jo.

[Jayhoo]

:P Season ending with MTL, but I think i've still got some "paddle" left in the tank. Will probably be offering my services to random teams until end of season :cheesygri

[jandumm]

:P Season ending with MTL, but I think i've still got some "paddle" left in the tank. Will probably be offering my services to random teams until end of season :cheesygri

good to know :) we're racing at St. Catharines this weekend, but our next regatta will be in September @ Stratford :) We'll see how our numbers work out but maybe we'll give u a shout

[DaFonz]

Any teams looking for paddlers for upcoming races in august? My team is pretty much done for the season so I'm looking for more races to do. Based out of Vancouver, but willing to travel for races. I'm interested in paddling with comp teams.

Thanks!

[jandumm]

Paddled in the St. Catharines regatta yesterday -> we were really lucky to not be rained out. First race was good, but 2nd race was done under a torrential downpour and it got really really muddy -> like Woodstock muddy. Luckily before the 3rd race, the sun came out and all was well. Just happy we didn't see lightning. For a first year recreational team, we were really happy with our results -> we finished in the top 10! We know all of the really good teams were at Mtl this weekend, but we're still thrilled.

So I have a question for all you dragonboaters, other than Centre Island and GWN, what are some of the nicer regattas you've attended, as we're beginning to plan for next year. I wasn't overall too impressed with St. Catharines venue and set up, compared to Stratford or Centre Island.

Oh and special thanks to sillygyrl8 who subbed in for our team.

[Jayhoo]

As an opinion, I believe centre island is absurdly expensive and a pain to coordinate logistics for, however I do admit that it's definately something everyone should try once. Hmm... London is pretty well organized, Waterloo isn't too bad (as long as it isn't pouring)...

Btw, did anyone do MTL this weekend? We didn't get any hardware for 500m, but at least came back with a gold in the 250m :D


<---- Paddler for hire: Left engine, has own equipment, 5 yrs. experience :lol:

[sillygyrl8]

:P Season ending with MTL, but I think i've still got some "paddle" left in the tank. Will probably be offering my services to random teams until end of season :cheesygri

paddle whoring urself jay?

[sillygyrl8]

Paddled in the St. Catharines regatta yesterday -> we were really lucky to not be rained out. First race was good, but 2nd race was done under a torrential downpour and it got really really muddy -> like Woodstock muddy. Luckily before the 3rd race, the sun came out and all was well. Just happy we didn't see lightning. For a first year recreational team, we were really happy with our results -> we finished in the top 10! We know all of the really good teams were at Mtl this weekend, but we're still thrilled.

So I have a question for all you dragonboaters, other than Centre Island and GWN, what are some of the nicer regattas you've attended, as we're beginning to plan for next year. I wasn't overall too impressed with St. Catharines venue and set up, compared to Stratford or Centre Island.

Oh and special thanks to sillygyrl8 who subbed in for our team.

no problem it was fun! i agree that venue/race course are kinda crappy.

yah i'm not returning to st. catherines, waterloo - waterloo is fun for camping and partying as a team but race course is kinda unfair - and there's a reason why its called water-loo!

Toronto is the most well-known race but i agree with jay - its really expensive for a team to enter. ottawa is the same weekend now and from what i heard from friends, its a better weekend. a lot of teams go to toronto, because of corporate ties to toronto - like td - some of the officials are part of the tcba and td, we kind of have to race at the toronto race.

milton is a nice start to the season (late may) - 3x500, a bonus 250m and a 2k if you choose to participate included in the registration fee, oakville mid-august is nice
both are at the same venue - kelso aka glen eden

pickering (early june) is nice - fairly competitive teams.
hamilton (early july) i really like - its chill and relaxed after centre island but nice course/atmosphere.

montreal - is very nice, cheap to register for it but there's travel and hotel costs to factor in.

those are the only venues i've paddled in.

[Jayhoo]

paddle whoring urself jay?

:P That's such an ugly word - I prefer to call myself a hired gun :)

[myapple]

My impressions of a few regattas:

More for fun (mostly local teams):
-cambridge (race course poor raced with 2-4 lanes in the past, stingy on hardware)
-milton (race course poor, fun and chilled, includes a 2k, stingy on hardware)
-welland (race course good, mostly beginner teams, stingy on hardware)
-hamilton (race course poor, fun and chilled, includes a 2k)
-waterloo (race course poor, 2/3 beginner teams)
-london (race course poor, only 3-4 lanes, mostly beginner teams, stingy on hardware)
-stratford (race course okay, mostly beginner teams, relaxed feel, generous with hardware)

More for competition:
-pickering (okay race course, most top teams use as warmup, gives patches instead of hardware, wtf?!)
-toronto cup
-gwn (race course okay, fairly big race, most top teams will finish the season there)

Good balance between fun/competition:
-centre island (race course good, held starts, cultural festivities, lots of hardware)
-montreal (race course good, held starts, cultural festivities, lots of hardware)

[babygirl15]

i'm on one of the PA (Paddlers Anonymous) teams, http://www.paddlersanon.com/

we have different levels of teams, so if you're interested for next season, check it out and sign up for the mailing list.

[bananaman]

island does not have held starts, at least not the past 3years.

[sillygyrl8]

Good balance between fun/competition:
-centre island (race course good, held starts, cultural festivities, lots of hardware)
-montreal (race course good, held starts, cultural festivities, lots of hardware)

montreal & gwn challenge have held starts.

[sillygyrl8]

:P That's such an ugly word - I prefer to call myself a hired gun :)

so how's the new love -er paddle? used it in montreal?

[jandumm]

Do you experienced paddlers like held starts? Personally I think I would prefer them, just to ensure there is no unfair advantage. At the regatta on the weekend, there was almost a half length lead @ the starts <- not fair.

[myapple]

Last time I raced on the island (06-07?), they still had held starts. Guess things have changed recently. Don't know why they stopped tho...it's not like they paid people to do this. Back in high school, I used to be one of the lowly TCBA volunteers that held the boats in place on the island. It was a horrible job. Getting baked in the sun, no shade, get splashed.

For paddlers/teams, held starts are great for fairness. I wished more regattas would do it.

[Jayhoo]

so how's the new love -er paddle? used it in montreal?

Love it, and yes, used it in MTL :) While "whooping" is indicative of exiting at the wrong angle, I find whooping will actually give the boat an audible tone to keep sync to, if I deem it necessary!

[Jayhoo]

Do you experienced paddlers like held starts? Personally I think I would prefer them, just to ensure there is no unfair advantage. At the regatta on the weekend, there was almost a half length lead @ the starts <- not fair.

Held starts are great, but not always possible - The secret to unheld starts is to have your back-2 discretely give you 1-2 short strokes so that you at least have forward momentum during the start.

[Jayhoo]

For paddlers/teams, held starts are great for fairness. I wished more regattas would do it.

It depends on the regatta organizers - I recently paddled in a "private regatta" where dragonboats races were slotted between OC1 and a few other boat-types. The organizers had such an obvious disdain towards dragonboaters... All the other boats had held starts and all participants were given ample time to line up and get ready, meanwhile dragonboat races were being started before all of the teams could even assemble properly.

[sillygyrl8]

It depends on the regatta organizers - I recently paddled in a "private regatta" where dragonboats races were slotted between OC1 and a few other boat-types. The organizers had such an obvious disdain towards dragonboaters... All the other boats had held starts and all participants were given ample time to line up and get ready, meanwhile dragonboat races were being started before all of the teams could even assemble properly.

paddling with row-boats at st. catherines - in our third race - the other boats were half way across the start line when the race was started, while we were right at the start line.. held start would have been good then. but then again st. catherines - buoys are optional in the racecourse :(

[jandumm]

paddling with row-boats at st. catherines - in our third race - the other boats were half way across the start line when the race was started, while we were right at the start line.. held start would have been good then. but then again st. catherines - buoys are optional in the racecourse :(

Yah us Row-bots got robbed!!! :) :) :)

The St. Catharines course is a bit of a disaster...in our first race, the neighouring boat with an unexperienced steersperson, started going diagonally and collided with us :( The impact caused us to veer off course but still managed to finish first in our heat, but who knows how going diagonally through the finish line affected our time....and officials weren't too sure how to handle the situation :|

[sillygyrl8]

who's going to gwn challenge this weekend>

[jandumm]

no GWN over here. We're doing Stratford on the 19th...speaking of which are there any right paddling males interested in helping out our team? :)

[isom3tric]

no GWN over here. We're doing Stratford on the 19th...speaking of which are there any right paddling males interested in helping out our team? :)

I'll see you at Stratford, I'll be paddling with the Cyclones. first race at 9:50a :)

[jandumm]

I'll see you at Stratford, I'll be paddling with the Cyclones. first race at 9:50a :)

ah we're paddling at 10:01a....the Row-Bots :) I'm #49!

[bananaman]

Did Stratford for the first time and it was the toughest paddling ever. The water was so slow that it added another 20 seconds to your usual times.

Luckily, my team got lane one for the finals and ended up first overall, just edging out Hanalei.

[CSR]

Held starts are great, but not always possible - The secret to unheld starts is to have your back-2 discretely give you 1-2 short strokes so that you at least have forward momentum during the start.

yes.. i remember my cox/coach telling me to do that. I'm like WTF.. that's cheating!

[jandumm]

Did Stratford for the first time and it was the toughest paddling ever. The water was so slow that it added another 20 seconds to your usual times.

Luckily, my team got lane one for the finals and ended up first overall, just edging out Hanalei.

wow good for you guys!!! we finished in the middle of the pack -> water was definitely slow, and felt a lot tougher than St. Catharines and practices. Overall we were satisfied with our showing, but the field was definitely competitive. 5 seconds would've made a huge difference in our placing.

The festival was fun and the weather was great :)

[kalvin28]

looking to get into dragonboat this year, any teams looking for more people?

[bigwill]

bump for 2010 dragonboat season!

[warren_s12888]

bump for 2010 dragonboat season!

+1

[Bincent]

bump for 2010 dragonboat season!


+1

What teams are you guys on?
Will you be at the Island?

If anyone's looking for a paddler or cox, I may be available :)

[bigwill]

What teams are you guys on?
Will you be at the Island?

If anyone's looking for a paddler or cox, I may be available :)

PA. Yes I will be at the islands.
Also, looking at buying a paddle.
Any recommendations? Around the 100-150 price range.

Thanks

[warren_s12888]

What teams are you guys on?
Will you be at the Island?

If anyone's looking for a paddler or cox, I may be available :)


FCCP Dragons, I'll be on the island, hopefully it won't rain like day1 like last year.

[phobulous]

IVE ALWAYS WANTED TO DO THIS where do i sign up :) or is it too late :(... i'd love to do this tho =D

[Bincent]

PA. Yes I will be at the islands.
Also, looking at buying a paddle.
Any recommendations? Around the 100-150 price range.

Thanks

Hmm... not sure what there is specifically in that price range. I've had mine for the last 4-5 years or so and I absolutely love it. It's a ZRE, but you're probably going to spend over $200 brand new... unless there is someone that is retiring from the sport that's willing to sell it for less... other brands that I know of off the top of my head are...\
ZRE - http://www.zre.com/
Burnwater - http://www.burnwater.com/
Grey Owl - http://www.greyowlpaddles.com/pages/dragon.html
SRS - http://www.simonriversports.com/english/products/paddles/dragon.html
Typhoon - http://www.typhoon8.com/
Apex - http://apexpaddles.com/
Chinook - http://www.chinookpaddle.com/


IVE ALWAYS WANTED TO DO THIS where do i sign up :) or is it too late :(... i'd love to do this tho =D
It may be a little too late to join a team for the big race at Centre Island in 1.5 weeks, but if you have experience, there may be some teams that are looking. There are teams that still practice after the Island race so you may be able to find someone that will take you on afterwards.

[zonetbh]

If anyone wants to try Dragonboating and support a good cause, United Way has a Dragon Boat weekend every year:

http://www.uwyr.on.ca/toromont-dragon-boat-festival/

Lots of teams from various companies show up...Rogers, IBM, Toromont CAT, Cimco Refrigeration, American Express, etc and even some local groups such as the York Regional Police team.

If you can get a team together, come on out! (For the most part this is amateur hour, its not highly competitive)

[Jayhoo]

If you want to avoid a serious headache, avoid Chinook at all costs. Our team bought from them at the beginning of last season, and most of them fell appart mid-way through the summer. You can constantly epoxy the parts together, but it'll never really fit the same again. Repeated calls and emails to the local rep (edgar) have gone unanswered.

[Jayhoo]

On that note, my team isn't doing the island this year :P Anyone looking for an extra male-left-engine paddler? I've paddled for about 5 years now, full-time with a b/c-div team (A in pickering :D), and would love to jump on a boat of similar skill level!

[isom3tric]

If you want to avoid a serious headache, avoid Chinook at all costs. Our team bought from them at the beginning of last season, and most of them fell appart mid-way through the summer. You can constantly epoxy the parts together, but it'll never really fit the same again. Repeated calls and emails to the local rep (edgar) have gone unanswered.

Totally agree with Chinook being crap, my teammates bought a couple last year also mid-season to upgrade from the durablades that the team owned.

- one broke on its first use, the blade cracked/sliced across the bottom from contacting with a wooden grey owl paddle. It wasn't even hard, just standard misspaddling

- second the epoxy was crap from shaft to blade so on our finish the blade was spinning while it was paddling and once we docked the blade and the shaft separated.

Yes the Chinook reps were pretty useless (always on business trips to their manufacturing plant in China apparently) and wouldn't follow through with the 1-year warranty, we were forced to buy a new blade instead >_>

ugh

Most of my team uses
- Durablades (really really durable, 3 year warranty)
- ZRE (my current one)
- Accelerators

[Jayhoo]

We ended up ordering ZREs - couldn't be happier

[d0fuz]

I use Apex, and love it. But I keep on hearing people ordering ZRE, so if you are able to hop onto those group buys - do it!

There is probably slight differences in the top paddles, what really makes a paddler is really themselves. So don't get caught up with equipments and etc. Obviously paddle length is important!

[jandumm]

The Row-Bots are looking for a few extra paddlers

Here's the Info:

Where: We paddle at the Mississauga Canoe Club on Mondays from 6:30-7:30

Who: A young 2nd year team....skill level is mixed, 6 newbies and the rest are experienced with at least one season under our belts. Your experience or preferred side don't matter - as long as you have a competitive spirit and like to work hard but also play hard

When: We're still finalizing regatta dates but looks like it'll be St. Catharines @ July 24th and Stratford @ September 18th...we definitely need people who can make both regattas.

Cost: Looks like it'll be $260 for the season - pays for entry fees, coaching time, canoe club time and dri fit team t-shirts for all new members (we have ours from last season) from now until mid-September

Please contact me via PM if ur interested.

[koolsteve]

our team is doing 4 races this year. we consists of fairly new members but I think we got good team spirit.

I'm still trying to work on my techniques. I always seem to use my arm strength too much instead of relying on the core so my shoulders are really sore after a practice.

on that note, who else is going to the island race next week? I know I will be there!

[Jayhoo]

our team is doing 4 races this year. we consists of fairly new members but I think we got good team spirit. I'm still trying to work on my techniques. I always seem to use my arm strength too much instead of relying on the core so my shoulders are really sore after a practice. On that note, who else is going to the island race next week? I know I will be there!

I find that the only way to paddle properly (without arms) entails a lot of practice. Trying to keep your form in a race scenario requires a lot of discipline and mental fortitude.

The motion is a little unnatural, but here's the general jist of a proper stroke. *warning: this is what i've been taught/learnt, follow your coach's instructions!*

- Plant your inside butt-cheek as a pivot point

- Reach forward with your bottom arm (leading with the elbow comes later) almost to the point where your outside buttcheek is coming off the seat. Make sure that the bottom arm is parallel with the boat gunnel, and your top arm is straight - this forces your paddle blade to be at or around a 45-degree angle.

- Drive downwards, dropping your body weight on the bottom arm, but being careful to maintain the 45-degree blade angle. This will make you naturally lean forward a bit, but not to the point where your back has a really wide range of motion.

- Keeping your bottom arm as straight as possible, you're going to twist/torque your body towards the outside of the boat, while kicking with your feet against the boat - try to clench/engage your back/deltoids/abs until you get the jist of how the motion is supposed to feel like.

- Maintain that 45-degree blade angle in the water for as long as you can as you're pulling back with your twisting motion, usually until the blade reaches midway along your thigh (Exit before the blade is dragging through the water!)

- Use the resistive force of your exit to push against to propel your body forward again, and set yourself up for the next catch.


Man, I wish I could be at the island...

[bigwill]

I use Apex, and love it. But I keep on hearing people ordering ZRE, so if you are able to hop onto those group buys - do it!

There is probably slight differences in the top paddles, what really makes a paddler is really themselves. So don't get caught up with equipments and etc. Obviously paddle length is important!

I would love to hop on a group buy. But not much interest in a group buy from my team. Any RFD members want to get together for a group buy? lol

[Jayhoo]

Don't forget - full CF paddles tend to have less flex, meaning your shoulder takes the brunt of the force

[cuongp]

I find that the only way to paddle properly (without arms) entails a lot of practice. Trying to keep your form in a race scenario requires a lot of discipline and mental fortitude.

The motion is a little unnatural, but here's the general jist of a proper stroke. *warning: this is what i've been taught/learnt, follow your coach's instructions!*

- Plant your inside butt-cheek as a pivot point

- Reach forward with your bottom arm (leading with the elbow comes later) almost to the point where your outside buttcheek is coming off the seat. Make sure that the bottom arm is parallel with the boat gunnel, and your top arm is straight - this forces your paddle blade to be at or around a 45-degree angle.

- Drive downwards, dropping your body weight on the bottom arm, but being careful to maintain the 45-degree blade angle. This will make you naturally lean forward a bit, but not to the point where your back has a really wide range of motion.

- Keeping your bottom arm as straight as possible, you're going to twist/torque your body towards the outside of the boat, while kicking with your feet against the boat - try to clench/engage your back/deltoids/abs until you get the jist of how the motion is supposed to feel like.

- Maintain that 45-degree blade angle in the water for as long as you can as you're pulling back with your twisting motion, usually until the blade reaches midway along your thigh (Exit before the blade is dragging through the water!)

- Use the resistive force of your exit to push against to propel your body forward again, and set yourself up for the next catch.


Man, I wish I could be at the island...

thats interesting....my team plants our outter buttcheeks and our inside is barely touching the seat, if at all

naturally does it if we're reaching out enough

i'd be interested in a group buy for 10-11 season for zre paddles

edit: oh yeah, anyone heading to montreal?/what team are you paddling for?

my teams last race at centre island, you'll see us at the very end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jirCV5AXWD8

[dimz20]

I'd like to get in on a Apex Durablade group buy if anyone else wants it. I need 3. I can't find any shops with the paddle in stock

[pbcsd]

How does one "start" in Dragon Boat recreational racing? Been googling 'downtown toronto dragon boat' without much luck. Have never done it before, but always hear how great it sounds (and how hard/challenging!).

[cuongp]

How does one "start" in Dragon Boat recreational racing? Been googling 'downtown toronto dragon boat' without much luck. Have never done it before, but always hear how great it sounds (and how hard/challenging!).

there are plenty of teams in toronto, also if you're in university most schools have teams now

most clubs will also allow drop in classes for $10-$20 so you can give it a try or two before you decide to actually do it

[pbcsd]

there are plenty of teams in toronto, also if you're in university most schools have teams now

most clubs will also allow drop in classes for $10-$20 so you can give it a try or two before you decide to actually do it

What if I'm 35 and not in University! :)


So would I go to say dragonboat.ca or gwn and email someone there to figure out how to "try it out"?

[Bincent]

What if I'm 35 and not in University! :)


So would I go to say dragonboat.ca or gwn and email someone there to figure out how to "try it out"?

You could go to this forum and post your interest and stats there:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/135730/


Warning that the forum is anonymous and can get a little "catty" at times... but it's all in good fun :D

[bigwill]

Does anyone do any additional sport specific weight training in the gym?
I'm looking to improve my fitness for dboat.

I currently go to the gym. But i'm wondering if anyone has a training regiment gear towards dboat?

Thanks in advance.

[cuongp]

Does anyone do any additional sport specific weight training in the gym?
I'm looking to improve my fitness for dboat.

I currently go to the gym. But i'm wondering if anyone has a training regiment gear towards dboat?

Thanks in advance.
if you're paddling properly, you're going to feel it throughout your body especially shoulders, lower back, thighs

work on muscular endurance, can't stress that enough

[rossiman]

Did anything come out of the Apex paddle group buy idea? Does everyone want Accelerators or Durablades?

Check products link to see the diference.

http://www.apexpaddles.com/

[lightningflik]

Im interested in the Apex Durablade.

[Eyies]

Admiring a lot of the A/B-ish level paddlers on here.. :)

Just back from Montreal on the weekend good fun.. Great regatta, which coincided with a ton of other festivals. Best fireworks display and lovely city.

[jandumm]

paddling with row-boats at st. catherines - in our third race - the other boats were half way across the start line when the race was started, while we were right at the start line.. held start would have been good then. but then again st. catherines - buoys are optional in the racecourse :(

Quoted a post from last year.....cuz we did St. Catharines this weekend and the same thing happened again to us Row-Bots :(...3rd race, other teams float halfway past the start line and the starters blow the horn. Think it might be cuz it's more of a "community" regatta as opposed to a qualifying race for other bigger regattas.

We won't be doing that regatta again, but the day was fun...finished 6th overall we think :)

[dimz20]

im still interested in durablades. will be getting 3 if a group buy happens.

[jandumm]

I'm also interested in the Apex group buy.....some members of our team might also be interested...I'll poll and find out

[Jayhoo]

^ . ^ Gold-Gold-Silver-Gold @ MTL

Who did everyone paddle for?

[Eyies]

^ . ^ Gold-Gold-Silver-Gold @ MTL

Who did everyone paddle for?

Iron Dragons.. what team do you paddle for?

[skategoat]

Hi folks. I'm a long time RFDer and just noticed this thread. I actually work for Apex. I can hook you up for a group buy. Here are the parameters:

20+ Durablades in a single order with one payment and shipped to a single address is considered a team order. We offer 15% discount on a team order. If anyone wants an Accelerator, we can throw that in the mix with the same discount.

I realize organising a single payment may be difficult but once our new website goes live, we can nix that requirement since the ordering process will be automated. Give it about a week and it should be up.

Thanks for the positive feedback on our paddles and let me know if I can help with ordering.

[dimz20]

I don't think we are close to 20 paddles yet so we'll have to wait and see.

Side note: are there any teams looking for paddlers for some upcoming regattas? Two friends and I are looking for a team and we are able to practice Monday/Friday/Weekends.

[jandumm]

I've got interest in 2 paddles over here

[skategoat]

Why don't folks PM me and I'll keep track of numbers?

[dimz20]

PM'ed =D

[jandumm]

PMd also :)

[DaFonz]

Anyone trying out for Tampa?

[skategoat]

Need a few more to make it a team (group) buy. LMK by PM.

[I0s]

Sorry to bring up this old thread, but it seemed appropriate rather than starting a new one.

I am a total newbie to dragon boating, but I would love to join a beginner team to try it out. It seems like recruiting for the upcoming season has started.
Can someone guide me to which beginner team is good to join?

Thanks

[I0s]

Sorry to bring up this old thread, but it seemed appropriate rather than starting a new one.

I am a total newbie to dragon boating, but I would love to join a beginner team to try it out. It seems like recruiting for the upcoming season has started.
Can someone guide me to which beginner team is good to join?

Thanks

anyone?
Cheers.

[jandumm]

anyone?
Cheers.

I see ur in Markham, but if ur willing to come to Mississauga, you could probably join our team. Practices were Monday nights last year - at the Mississauga Canoe Club.

[Bincent]

anyone?
Cheers.

You could also check this thread/forum out:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/135730/thread/1297481186/last-1298672325/Paddlers+Anonymous

I don't have any association to Paddlers Anon, but I know they've been around for a while.

[I0s]

You could also check this thread/forum out:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/135730/thread/1297481186/last-1298672325/Paddlers+Anonymous

I don't have any association to Paddlers Anon, but I know they've been around for a while.

haha, I am not going to read much into that link. Just a bunch of anonymous people bickering .
From what I gather PA is not a bad place to start, just that their morning training schedule is not convenient for me :(

[hevnsnt]

Hey, I'm kinda new to toronto. I'm looking to join a beginner team in the downtown area but I can travel outside of DT if needed. Any recommendations?

[jandumm]

It's DB season again and just wanted to see if any RFDers were interested in participating in a group buy for Carbon Fibre paddles? I'm gauging interest from my team as well - maybe we can get up to 20 this year and get some sorta deal?

[Jayhoo]

So, how'd everyone do in MTL?

[L4cky]

Wow didn't know there is a RFD about dragon boat, thought it was only for geek people haha

Montreal Festival is great as always, but no the best teams in Montreal were there.

[lightningflik]

so who's joining what team this year?