HBC CANADA olympic wear... made in china!

[mart242]

Am I the only one who find it stupid that all the team Canada olympic wear that proudly displays CANADA in big letters is all made in China?? :confused:

[Donkey_boy]

everything is made in China....g ;) et wit da times!



Am I the only one who find it stupid that all the team Canada olympic wear that proudly displays CANADA in big letters is all made in China?? :confused:

[simplyno]

HBC is also owned by an American now too is it not

[cko64]

Am I the only one who find it stupid that all the team Canada olympic wear that proudly displays CANADA in big letters is all made in China?? :confused:
Yeah, you are the only one.

On the other hand, I find your comment stupid!

[blizzah]

Am I the only one who find it stupid that all the team Canada olympic wear that proudly displays CANADA in big letters is all made in China?? :confused:

Would probably cost 300$ if it was made in Canada as opposed to $70.

Should Toronto Maple Leaf jerseys be made in Toronto? New York Yankees in New York?

[Ferman]

Would probably cost 300$ if it was made in Canada as opposed to $70.


The sad thing is that the poor fellow who made it probably makes $5/day.

[rfdrfd]

You can say that again.

But that's the truth about the world I guess. How many ppl go to the DOLLAR STORE ? Guess who makes those things and how much they get paid.



The sad thing is that the poor fellow who made it probably makes $5/day.

[TenzoR]

The sad thing is that the poor fellow who made it probably makes $5/day.

that's not sad, that $5 is probably more than enough for his family

[cliff]

Should Toronto Maple Leaf jerseys be made in Toronto? New York Yankees in New York?
Yes, yes. Local is better.

[Ferman]

that's not sad, that $5 is probably more than enough for his family

I'm more ticked at companies charging $70 for something that could cost $5 in materials, plus a few bucks in labour.

[warpdrive]

I think it's equally stupid that some of our athletes that are marked Team Canada were actually made in other countries.

[TenzoR]

I'm more ticked at companies charging $70 for something that could cost $5 in materials, plus a few bucks in labour.

gov tax from this country + other country
shipping
development
advertisement
endorsement
factory

etc etc it adds up, sure they do make money, but you are making them sound like robbers

[stooker]

Am I the only one who find it stupid that all the team Canada olympic wear that proudly displays CANADA in big letters is all made in China?? :confused:

No. Do like me and dont buy these.

[cmge]

not surprised really.. i wonder if China's gear is made locally... :lol:

[krazykanuck]

gov tax from this country + other country
shipping
development
advertisement
endorsement
factory

etc etc it adds up, sure they do make money, but you are making them sound like robbers

Not to mention that trade quotas with China have been pretty much all abolished, therefore this leads to more of an influx of "Made in China" items.

[blizzah]

not surprised really.. i wonder if China's gear is made locally... :lol:

Prob made in Indonesia.

[Ferman]

Not to mention that trade quotas with China have been pretty much all abolished, therefore this leads to more of an influx of "Made in China" items.

I challenge anyone to find clothing sold in HBC stores that is not made in China.

[HighFlyer]

Made in China, Canada, Timbuktu, South Pole, whatever.... I'm not impressed with this year's lineup offered by HBC. Pretty much preferred the old Roots olympic designs.

[dealguy2]

I don't know if you're old enough to remember but everything used to be made in Japan. Now it's China. Japanese products used to be total garbage in the begining but now Japanese designed goods (many of which are manufactured in China) are seen as being of good quality.

[mingming]

I don't know if you're old enough to remember but everything used to be made in Japan. Now it's China. Japanese products used to be total garbage in the begining but now Japanese designed goods (many of which are manufactured in China) are seen as being of good quality.

Exactly. Look at cars. Hondas in the 80's are what Hyundais were back in the 90s.

[ronin893]

Am I the only one who find it stupid that all the team Canada olympic wear that proudly displays CANADA in big letters is all made in China?? :confused:I find it stupid that one store chain has exclusivity on Team Canada Olympic wear. As for where it's made, meh, don't care. Production should go to where it's most efficient. It's called capitalism, you socialist. :cheesygri

[googoo]

Actually it turns my stomach more that I can't find Canadian made stuff for Canada Day.

YES, I'll pay the premium.

Brent

[Mcp]

Actually it turns my stomach more that I can't find Canadian made stuff for Canada Day.

YES, I'll pay the premium.

Brent


Good for you!!! Your a great person.... We should all try to be like you!

Not me.... Bring on the cheep stuff....

[FastFokker]

I actually liked the looks of HBC's Canada Olympic clothing, they were quite eye catching, but yes I find it extremely disappointing that they're made in China, and even more so that they're made in China and still retailing for high prices.

If a certain hat was made in Canada, then maybe it's worth $40, but since it's made in China, it's only worth about $15.

I can't stop buying things made in China, but I'm definitely making a concious effort to limit my purchases of "Made in China" and increasing my purchases from local merchants (primarily) and second to items made in Canada.

It's truly difficult and impossible for some items, to find "Made in Canada". Makes me crazy.

[JuNGleR72]

95% of apparel is made overseas.China, Vietnam, Bangladash etc..
Its much cheaper over there then having it locally done.

[mart242]

Yeah.. that's the worst: stuff made in China selling for a high price. HBC just puts more in their pocket.

I really wonder what will happen 10 years from now with everyone buying that cheap crap from china not worrying about where it's from. When you have a choice, try to buy something made here (BBQ, some clothing, furniture... actually, there's no excuse for furniture. lots of furniture is made in canada).

[siriuskao]

Yeah.. that's the worst: stuff made in China selling for a high price. HBC just puts more in their pocket.

I really wonder what will happen 10 years from now with everyone buying that cheap crap from china not worrying about where it's from. When you have a choice, try to buy something made here (BBQ, some clothing, furniture... actually, there's no excuse for furniture. lots of furniture is made in canada).

if they(CDN manufacturer) are not competitive, they should get another job. My tax is already supporting the social programs, so I won't do it by buying over-priced Canadian goods (assuming same quality as made in China).

However if Canadian made products are of higher quality and justify the higher price then it's a different story.

[mlc2000]

The sad thing is that the poor fellow who made it probably makes $5/day.

Why is that sad?
Does he have a $1200/mth mortgage payment?
Does he pay $300 /mth in property taxes?
Whats his car payment?

Not everyone can earn $30/hr.
Its all about supply and demand of available labour and the division of labour.
If all the workers in China could skate and shoot a puck as well as
Wayne Gretzky, NHL players would also be making $5/day.


The alternative to $5/day is $0/day. Its called unemployment.
Look up comparitive and absolute advantage in an economics book.

[mlc2000]

Roots, the previous designer / manufacturer of Olympic wear, closed its manufacturing facility in Toronto and moved it offshore to China.




if they(CDN manufacturer) are not competitive, they should get another job. My tax is already supporting the social programs, so I won't do it by buying over-priced Canadian goods (assuming same quality as made in China).

However if Canadian made products are of higher quality and justify the higher price then it's a different story.

[FastFokker]

if they(CDN manufacturer) are not competitive, they should get another job. My tax is already supporting the social programs, so I won't do it by buying over-priced Canadian goods (assuming same quality as made in China).That's such a funny commentary.

A) So if a Canadian company makes an item, pays fairly and produces it until proper regulations and sells the item for $20, you will feel it's "overpriced".

B) Yet if you buy the same product made by a Chinese company, who pays horribly and produces it under nearly no regulations and sells the item for $15, you feel it's properly priced.

A) Made in Canada, cost $15, markup $5
B) Made in China, cost $5, markup $10

I will take choice A if I can find it, unfortunately it's almost exclusively choice B.

[FastFokker]

Why is that sad?
Does he have a $1200/mth mortgage payment?
Does he pay $300 /mth in property taxes?
Whats his car payment?
It's sad because I bet he wishes he did have all those things you listed, but he knows it's out of his reach.

The even more sad part is one day he WILL have those things, and one day we will not.. and that process is already started.

[mlc2000]

The reality is that now that China has a middle class, there will be demands for higher wages and working conditions. The problems that we in north america face with imports in the far east, is the explosive growth and north america's inability to keep pace with the infrastructure requirements to keep up with it.

The cost to ship items from the far east has ballooned, and manufacturers have taken notice. I'm not sure if you're aware, but many large electronic manufacturers have left China and set up in a country much closer to the notrh american consumer base......Mexico. There is a massive technology park in Guadalajara, it was just a barren piece of dirt 3 yrs ago.

Guadalajara is home to eight of the top 10 contract electronic manufacturers worldwide including Solectron, Flextronics and SCI Systems, and original equipment manufacturers including IBM, ON Semiconductor, Hewlett-Packard and Kodak. The plants operate as a maquiladora (a factory or assembly plant operated in Mexico under preferential tariff programs established by the U.S. and Mexican governments to encourage the development of industry in Mexico.) Mexico allows materials to be used in maquilas to enter duty-free, provided the finished product is then immediately exported out of Mexico. The U.S. in turn charges these products a much lower tariff than products from other countries.

Cheap labour is but one component in the manufacturing process.
If you can't get your goods because there's a strike at the port on west coast, it doesn't matter how little u paid to have that T-shirt made.

Sorry for the rant....I've been taking Integrated Logisitcs / Transportation Economics courses lately so its all fresh in the mind...I wish it would leave my mind. :cheesygri

[googoo]

"Not me.... Bring on the cheep stuff...."

At the loss of you standard of living?? as well stated above

"The even more sad part is one day he WILL have those things, and one day we will not.. and that process is already started."

YEP, one day we'll be a third world country, and the only people to blame are ourselves.

Brent

[ynchu]

Buy one made in Canada, and pay:

$20 per hour labor, and they are unionized.
Average of 24 hours per cloth, three paid coffee breaks and three paid meal breaks excluded.
Possible delay of production, since the union will complain about their working environment.
Couple workers will speak to the media on why they are on strike...

[thelefteyeguy]

im going to add another factor into the discussion.

HBC won the bid over Roots. If Roots won it, you'd have the same issues. Go to a local Roots and check the made in country label and take a guess.

i'll give you a hint...Roots does not have a manufactoring facility in Canada anymore.

[JuNGleR72]

Roots gear is made in China as well,
I know the company that manufacturer some of thier goods.

The factory is in CHINA!

[NG]

The sad thing is that the poor fellow who made it probably makes $5/day.

If $5 a day is too much they could always chain ******* like me up to sewing machines to make them.

We'd rather get a quarter anyways since they're shiny.

[ji2o0k]

The world isn't in a static state where countries will always enjoy their current situation. Things happen in cycles and empires/regimes come and go.

The most important thing is that as change occurs, countries, people, organizations and government adapt to these changes.

Asian countries are catching up in terms of technology, development, economics etc. and that is something we, as Canadians, have to realize.

Yes one day China will enjoy the same economic level that we Canadians today enjoy. What is important is what Canadians do during this time. Do we continue to grow and develop and strengthen our economic development or do we regress ?

A few posters have mentioned competitive advantage and yes China has a competitive advantage in terms of abundant labour force. But we Canadians have an advantage in terms of knowledge and other skills. We can leverage this and help China manage their production facilities/operations/processes as companies move their operations offshore and outsource.

They can do the work but they still need direction and someone to manage them.

Whew long post.

[eelfliw]

A good number of Canadian citizens (including politicians, atheletes, doctors, lawyers etc.) are also Made (born) In China.

So... what's your point?

[mart242]

A few posters have mentioned competitive advantage and yes China has a competitive advantage in terms of abundant labour force. But we Canadians have an advantage in terms of knowledge and other skills. We can leverage this and help China manage their production facilities/operations/processes as companies move their operations offshore and outsource.

They can do the work but they still need direction and someone to manage them.

Sorry man but china isn't clueless anymore. They can manage their own stuff more and more. All they want is to kill foreing economy by dumping cheap goods (BBQs, clothes, cars, electronics) and forcing the other countries to buy everything from them because they can't be competitive.

People used to say that a few years ago : oh the textile industry is moving off shore, we've got manufacturing to save us because they are clueless at manufacturing. Well manufacturing moved offshore, then engineering. All what's left here is managing the off shore centers but not for long. They'll manage their own stuff soon enough... then we'll all be selling burgers to each other here.

[G.H.]

China's freestyle skiing men's aerials gold medalist is made by Canada, what do you think about that? His coach is Canadian. They make cheap merchandise for us, we make gold madel for them.

[klai]

Am I the only one who find it stupid that all the team Canada olympic wear that proudly displays CANADA in big letters is all made in China?? :confused:
I think out of the $70? $2 goes to the workers in China and $10 goes to their canadian employees/distributors/truckers, etc...and the rest goes back to the US. So don't feel too bad, ok?

[Ferman]

If $5 a day is too much they could always chain ******* like me up to sewing machines to make them.

We'd rather get a quarter anyways since they're shiny.

You're back.. what a surprise.

[d0fuz]

did read other post but one word: Globalization

[FastFokker]

did read other post but one word: Globalization
http://www.infed.org/biblio/globalization.htm

[divx]

That's such a funny commentary.

A) So if a Canadian company makes an item, pays fairly and produces it until proper regulations and sells the item for $20, you will feel it's "overpriced".

B) Yet if you buy the same product made by a Chinese company, who pays horribly and produces it under nearly no regulations and sells the item for $15, you feel it's properly priced.

A) Made in Canada, cost $15, markup $5
B) Made in China, cost $5, markup $10

I will take choice A if I can find it, unfortunately it's almost exclusively choice B.
Actually, $5CDN a day is a lot in china, average joe can live quite a happy life with that much money. You sir, have issues.

[divx]

It's sad because I bet he wishes he did have all those things you listed, but he knows it's out of his reach.

The even more sad part is one day he WILL have those things, and one day we will not.. and that process is already started.
Don't worry, our natural resources will last a long time.

[FastFokker]

Actually, $5CDN a day is a lot in china, average joe can live quite a happy life with that much money. You sir, have issues.
My numbers were made up.

Further, I wasn't implying a worker was paid $5 to make it, I'm saying total cost of production was $5. But again, the number is purely fabricated and not based on any kind of research or actual knowlege of HBC's suppliers.

Did you not realize such? My apologies. :rolleyes:

[FastFokker]

Don't worry, our natural resources will last a long time.
Which resources are those?

The great lakes are drying up, the tar sands are getting extracted, the fish are gone, farming isn't profitable, forests have been clearcut and nobody wants beaver hats anymore.

And how long is a long time?

We already sell out all our resources, doesn't it stand to reason that if our economy should fail, we would likely sell for less?

[divx]

"Not me.... Bring on the cheep stuff...."

At the loss of you standard of living?? as well stated above

"The even more sad part is one day he WILL have those things, and one day we will not.. and that process is already started."

YEP, one day we'll be a third world country, and the only people to blame are ourselves.

Brent
As long we are free to move around, we can move to better places when the time comes. I've moved all over the place, another trip won't hurt.

[divx]

Which resources are those?

The great lakes are drying up, the tar sands are getting extracted, the fish are gone, farming isn't profitable, forests have been clearcut and nobody wants beaver hats anymore.

And how long is a long time?

We already sell out all our resources, doesn't it stand to reason that if our economy should fail, we would likely sell for less?
Canada still is the best country in the world, so that's fine.

[FastFokker]

Canada still is the best country in the world, so that's fine.Great patriotism and I'd agree we're at least one of the best.

I think typically Sweden, Finland, Norway, Switzerland & Australia are a tad bit better.

Here's some rankings:
http://www.vexen.co.uk/countries/best.html

Human Development #5
Gender Equality #7
Life Expectancy #8
Quality of Life (Not on Top 10)
Most Competitive Economy (Not on Top 10)
Asylum Seeker Acceptance #2
Adult Literacy #5
Open Access to Research #4
Aid to Developing Countries (Very minimal)

And another interesting mass of data (scroll down about half way for charts):
http://hdr.undp.org/reports/global/2005/pdf/HDR05_complete.pdf

[Rehan]

HBC is also owned by an American now too is it not Yeah, the sale was approved today. So now sale of Team Canada olympic wear is licensed to an American-owned company, and sale of Team USA olympic wear is licensed to a Canadian-owned company ( http://www.roots-direct.com/dept.aspx?WT.svl=10&dptid=10 ). :|

[NG]

You're back.. what a surprise.

Why would that be? Surprised the ****** could remember to use a keyboard?

[ronin893]

"Not me.... Bring on the cheep stuff...."

At the loss of you standard of living?? as well stated above

"The even more sad part is one day he WILL have those things, and one day we will not.. and that process is already started."

YEP, one day we'll be a third world country, and the only people to blame are ourselves.

BrentSo how do you imagine the world should be like when everything is just and right? The developed world stay rich and the developing world stay poor? In a perfect world (one where there's economic parity, IMO), a "burger" in one part of the world should cost the same as another random part of the world. This means that the developing world will catch up, and the developed world won't have it easy anymore. Everyone's standard of living would be equal, with that "standard" somewhere in the middle of where the developed and developing world stands today.

We had it good here in the 20th century. I won't have a problem with creating a fairer world in the 21st century.

[divx]

Our standard of living will drop, and everyone else will raise because we are one of the richest in the world.

[gorf]

I'm not impressed with this year's lineup offered by HBC. Pretty much preferred the old Roots olympic designs.

I have to agree with you on that. I have picked up Olympic wear in past but not this year, I just didn't like it.

[canadiantofu]

Am I the only one who find it stupid that all the team Canada olympic wear that proudly displays CANADA in big letters is all made in China?? :confused:

I just picked up a Fleece Crew Neck tonight and checked out all the different stocks. Not all the items are made in China, but he majority are.

[NG]

I have to agree with you on that. I have picked up Olympic wear in past but not this year, I just didn't like it.

My feelings are hurt gorf ;) Are you ignoring me? :-0

[pandaharo]

As long as the quality is better than our mens hockey team.....

[aznboi180]

As long as the quality is better than our mens hockey team.....

haha.. :lol:

[FastFokker]

As long as the quality is better than our mens hockey team.....
OOOOOOOOOUCH!

Seriously though, what a joke.. these goofs are getting paid $X Million dollars a year to play hockey, they are supposedly some of the best players in the National Hockey League and yet they can't even manage to get us a friggin bronze medal?

*FIRE THEM ALL*

I'm starting to think NHL Hockey has come from the same entertainment creators who brought up Hulk Hogan. SCAM.

We should throw our woman into the mens league and I'm confident we'd at least get a medal, if not even a Gold.

Thank goodness they did us proud.

[ji2o0k]

Sorry man but china isn't clueless anymore. They can manage their own stuff more and more. All they want is to kill foreing economy by dumping cheap goods (BBQs, clothes, cars, electronics) and forcing the other countries to buy everything from them because they can't be competitive.

People used to say that a few years ago : oh the textile industry is moving off shore, we've got manufacturing to save us because they are clueless at manufacturing. Well manufacturing moved offshore, then engineering. All what's left here is managing the off shore centers but not for long. They'll manage their own stuff soon enough... then we'll all be selling burgers to each other here.

of course they will manage their own stuff soon enough, that is the whole point of developing countries working hard to achieve what we enjoy today.

As I mentioned, nothing is in a static state, developing countries develop and as developed countries we have to continue to grow as well. Same as in the business world and companies and firms have to continue to work hard to stay ahead of the competition.

Well developing countries are our competition.

[klai]

I thought Canadians are really easy-going people. Thanks to being fed by partisan politics covered daily by our media, so many of us became a bunch of petty whinners. There are rarely anything completely made in Canada nowadays. Even if the jerseys were sewn in Canada, the fabric might be made in Israel, the sewing machine might be made in the states, etc..so really, deal with it. The $70 you paid probably only $5 went to the factory workers in China. If they were made in Canada, they would cost alot more + the mark up, it would no longer be affordable to many Canadians, hence the people working in HBC and the Canadian truckers would be killing you because they end up with a reduced business volume and alot of Canadians would be without those Jerseys. Who knows, those shareholders in HBC will probably benefit alot from it and seems like they'll be using the money in the states or on a vacation in the swiss alps. Things aren't as straightford as you think.

[Ferman]

Why would that be? Surprised the ****** could remember to use a keyboard?
Aw, come on. I never called you a ******.

[keanefan]

People who complain about manufacturing jobs or factory jobs going to China seem small-minded, insecure and paranoid.

Go to any Canadian high school and ask the kids if they want to work in a factory and most of them would say "no" (especially if they ever worked in a factory during the summer).

Go to any factory in Canada and most of the workers are immigrants who don't speak much English or Canadians who don't have much education (didn't graduate from high schhol).

Since there are less factory jobs, Canadian kids will strive to go to university and get nice, high-salary jobs (teachers, nurses, doctors, accountants, engineers, lawyers, scientists, etc). Or they could open their own business.

There are currently job shortages in Canada for skilled workers. There was a recent article about the majority of Canadian companies can't find skilled workers. Also, articles about a shortage of family doctors in Canada. Canadian nurses can work anywhere in the world because there is a demand for nurses. ETC.

Canada will become better. You don't have to worry.

Companies will adapt. Look at Apples Computers. Not many people were buying their computers. Then they created the iPod and they are back in business.

Canada is still a small, not so important country. It still hasn't reached its full potential compared to USA (a more aggressive, ambitious and dominant country).

[actng]

The whole premise of the original post is ********.
Even if something says it's "made in canada" or "made in USA", it doesn't mean every single part of it was made in that said country.

so what if team canada apparel is made in china???

"I find it *shocking* that your name is mart242 but that's not even your legal name on your birthy certificate." Sounds pretty stupid?

dumbfack

[cheeseshredder]

The whole premise of the original post is ********.
Even if something says it's "made in canada" or "made in USA", it doesn't mean every single part of it was made in that said country.

so what if team canada apparel is made in china???

"I find it *shocking* that your name is mart242 but that's not even your legal name on your birthy certificate." Sounds pretty stupid?

dumbfack

Nice comment there :rolleyes: . Your example there doesn't even make any sense... What's your point?

It's stupid how the Made in China clothing is selling at expensive prices. The markup is insane. The same goes with shoes, it takes what? 50 cents to make but it costs 200+? Nice... it sure isn't going to the workers?

[FastFokker]

dumbfackPot, meet kettle.

[ji2o0k]

It's stupid how the Made in China clothing is selling at expensive prices. The markup is insane. The same goes with shoes, it takes what? 50 cents to make but it costs 200+? Nice... it sure isn't going to the workers?

Basic economics...........supply and demand. If people demand it, then companies can mark up the item to allow a certain margin of profit. If companies mark up the item and consumers don't demand it, then companies will have to lower those mark-ups accordingly.

Like Nike. They sell Jordans for $200-$300 because the market allows it. Sure, materials and labour only cost 50 cents but how about the research and design they put into the product ? The name brand of Nike which the company has spent years to build up and promote.

Plus companies are in existence to make a profit. They have to pay the salaries of their employees, executives, distribute some of that profit to shareholders as dividends, good companies give back to the community.......etc while continuing to grow the company and remain competitive ahead of their rivals.

Just the way the world works.

[actng]

Your example there doesn't even make any sense... What's your point?

That was the point. The example wasn't supposed to make sense because the original post doesn't make sense.


Pot, meet kettle.
jack, meet ass.

[FastFokker]

That was the point. The example wasn't supposed to make sense because the original post doesn't make sense.I think the original post makes perfect sense and is worthy of consideration.

Would you not find it questionable if you went to purchase "Authentic Canadian Maple Syrup" only to look at the fine print which says "Product of China"? Obviously a hypothetical situation, but similar in comparison.

We're familiar with our official Canadian olympic clothing line being made in Canada... that's just how it's been. No longer it is, and it's cause for discussion.

[mart242]

To those of you who say that Canada can't compete in the clothing industry, how is it that Costco can sell nice t-shirts and polos for 15$, nice wool shirts for 20$, and jeans for 20$ (or 30?). All of these made in Canada! Sure, Costco puts a bit less money in their pocket then most retailers but there is no excuse for HBC to have manufactured their olympic gear in China.

[actng]

Would you not find it questionable if you went to purchase "Authentic Canadian Maple Syrup" only to look at the fine print which says "Product of China"? Obviously a hypothetical situation, but similar in comparison.


Short answer: no.

Your example illustrates my point about how this thread doesn't make sense because the example itself doesn't make sense.

I see where the problem is. This thread shouldn't even be in existence if you're able to understand two fundamental points that explain why your example, along with the original post doesn't make sense and is flawed:

1. The Olympic jerseys are NOT products of Canada. At no point was there any expectation or assumption for the jerseys or equipment to be products of Canada. Some of the equipment MAY be made in Canada but even then there is no stipulation that they be PRODUCTS of Canada.

You do realize that you're suggesting that all Olympic gear be made in Canada, right?

2. Drilling down to your analogy, it's a highly inaccurate example. An "authentic canadian maple syrup" can be marked as a "product of canada", but made in china. (of course this is not reality because it won't make financial "cents".) But there is nothing wrong with that arrangement from a logical point of view. The maple COULD be extracted from Canadian resources and processed in China where it COULD be cheaper and more cost effective to produce.

Here is an example:

A Honda Civic IS a product of Japanese Engineering. The fact that it's assembled in the Alliston plant in Ontario has no bearing on whether or not it's a Japanese car.

A Volkswagen Golf is a product of German Engineering. It's produced in Mexico.

Following your logic, you're saying that all German products need to be made in Germany and all Japanese products need to be made in Japan.


I'm very frustrated with some of the low quality of intelligence displayed in this thread... at least come up with a better complaint, guys. It's like some of you never went to school...

[actng]

the more i think about some of the arguments in this thread, the more frustrated i am with the ignorance displayed by some posters. surely our country's education system is capable of producing higher quality thinkers.

to have an expectation that all things related to team canada be made in canada is EXTREMELY ignorant.

if you're going to complain, at least complain logically. the country in which the jerseys are manufacturered should be the last thing to complain about if you're so worried about the "authenticity" of team canada.

I don't see anyone complaining about the "unauthenticity" of atheletes competing for Canada who weren't born in here... or were training in another country... or the non-Canadian coaches that come train our athletes.


basically, this is a non-issue. it's only an issue for those who TRULY are concerned about keeping team canada "authentic"... but if you TRULY care about that, jerseys aren't the first thing you would ***** about.

[keanefan]

To those of you who say that Canada can't compete in the clothing industry, how is it that Costco can sell nice t-shirts and polos for 15$, nice wool shirts for 20$, and jeans for 20$ (or 30?). All of these made in Canada! Sure, Costco puts a bit less money in their pocket then most retailers but there is no excuse for HBC to have manufactured their olympic gear in China.

COSTCO IS AN AMERICAN COMPANY.

HMV IS A BRITISH COMPANY.

WALMART IS AN AMERICAN COMPANY.

HBC IS NOW AN AMERICAN COMPANY.

CANADIANS ARE GIVING THEIR MONEY TO FOREIGN COMPANIES.
BUT AT LEAST CANADIANS CAN WORK AS CASHIERS AND WAREHOUSE WORKERS.

IT'S ALL GOOD.

[R23]

who wouldnt want made in canada gear, but the real question is who would want made in canada prices?

[vancitypimp]

I challenge anyone to find clothing sold in HBC stores that is not made in China.


i bought the hbc blue olympic toque with a white stripe down the middle at the bay in vancouver. It says made in canada.

[manho]

some of you have to learn some international economics and learn from David Ricardo.

[lqd_ice]

The sad thing is that the poor fellow who made it probably makes $5/day.


Yea, and if they pay him/her more, then it would ruin their whole economic structure. More pay = higher prices, further widening the gap between the rich and the poor. It's in our own backyard, every time minimum wage goes up, prices also go up. However, most people's wages do not....do the math.

[mart242]

to have an expectation that all things related to team canada be made in canada is EXTREMELY ignorant.

Actually, by wearing team canada wear, you're showing that you're proud of team canada and canada as a country.

To me, wearing a "canada" t-shirt made in china is like buying a niagara falls souvenir made in china. It doesn't make any sense.

[neilson]

Not to mention that trade quotas with China have been pretty much all abolished, therefore this leads to more of an influx of "Made in China" items.

Team China looked pretty spiffy in their uniforms.

Bejing 2008 should be very interesting to watch!

[actng]

To me, wearing a "canada" t-shirt made in china is like buying a niagara falls souvenir made in china. It doesn't make any sense.


you keep raising examples that don't make sense and further prove my point that this is all very pointless!

I won't say all, but some, at least the last postcard I bought... was made in China!

i really hope you can explain/convince me how none of this make sense to you without showing you're just being ignorant... so i can understand where you're coming from.

[NG]

Aw, come on. I never called you a ******.

I never said you did. It was self referential (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195543&page=7&pp=40)

Off-topic...it's interesting that so many people in this thread are willing to tolorate slavery just to bring the price point of a product lower.

...and where'd gorf go ;)

[klai]

Actually, by wearing team canada wear, you're showing that you're proud of team canada and canada as a country.

To me, wearing a "canada" t-shirt made in china is like buying a niagara falls souvenir made in china. It doesn't make any sense.

That in the mind of somebody who is less insecure and petty would be:
Look at all those people in the 2nd & 3rd world countries working their butt off for our causes at less than minimum wage...Wow, it just goes to show how great it is to be Canadian. WE RULE THEM!! God bless this Jersey!

The anal retentive and insecures's view: No offence, but pls refer to your own remarks.

[shift]

some non-china made goods (some of you believe have good qualities) are actually just assembled in that country, most of the parts are from china too. china also makes a lot of high-tech products, like airplane parts and components, including the parts for the all-new Boeing 787 Dreamliner.

don't complain "made in china" stuff is cheap. remember there is no cheap product, there is only cheap person.

Stop being a politician. Go GAO!

[Audiogenic]

China will soon become a superpower where "wines" are concerned, cheaper and better...it's only a matter of time.

[MrDisco]

who cares the olympics is over. let old threads rest in peace.