Why mac suck....

[CARLiTO_]

Link (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8317851492628123681)

[700mb80min]

i guess you`ve never tried one ..........macs are great if you do know how to use one . actually may be my next purchase after i pay for the new dell i didn`t need but ordered. i didn`t watch the video by the link you posted , the guy probably can`t tie his shoes by the look of him and its probably a disgruntled user over something he did ?
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[sfu_lifer]

Overall I think it sucks less than Windows (unless you're a gamer).

[divx]

mac is slow and expensive

[elty]

mac is slow and expensive

They are no longer slow............. but just expensive

[subliminal]

Wow, that video was what? 4-5 years ago?

[kev*]

But it's still funny cause it's true.

[Oversized Rooster]

mac is slow and expensive

True! Now and before!

[ProfessorChaos]

True! Now and before!

nope sorry.

i guess you've never used tiger on a g5...

[milhaus]

Ignorance is always funny.

[sfu_engineer]

MAC's are really pretty good. I enjoy using them at work. Very few problems when compared to Windows OS.

[TenzoR]

meh pc/mac they are all the same, they do work for you

[Oversized Rooster]

MAC's are really pretty good. I enjoy using them at work. Very few problems when compared to Windows OS.

That's what all you Mac guys say. How you have no problems compared to Windows.

However you are merely avoiding the true point being made here. PC versus Mac.

Not Windows versus Mac OS. We are talking hardware!!! Do not hide behind the OS. Yet it's more stable - I agree.

But we're speaking of hardware!

[jason9945]

This video is sooo old. He is mainly talking about os 9 and early (ugly and slow) versions of os X

Still good for a laugh.

I love my ibook g4!

[ProfessorChaos]

That's what all you Mac guys say. How you have no problems compared to Windows.

However you are merely avoiding the true point being made here. PC versus Mac.

Not Windows versus Mac OS. We are talking hardware!!! Do not hide behind the OS. Yet it's more stable - I agree.

But we're speaking of hardware!

actually, i beg to differ.

OS + hardware = computer

PCs run Windows or Linux on the most part....now if you could run OSX on a PC, then it would be very different(without hacking osx x86 that is)

OSX runs on mac...it's that simple.

they are nothing without each other...just some pieces of PCB slapped together in a box.

Somehow I'd like you to ask any graphic/video/audio professional in the entertainment industry if they prefer PC over a Mac....99% would say no...it's not because PCs suck, its because WINDOWS is not reliable. And when mixing parts sometimes things don't work out as planned. Why do you think all the big companies don't just let you choose every single part on the planet from 100000 different manufacturers? simply because of incompatibility issues that may occur.

now exceptions would be a company like BOXX....

for many normal computer users....they do nothing more than check email and burn the occasional cd/dvd. Now with windows and a PC...sure the pc may be able to do things faster....but it's much more complicated than the pc...

for example to burn a simple data dvd on windows/pc....you have to find your burning program and then look at a million options and buttons and then burn with all these settings and whatnot...

on a mac, its much more intuitive....insert dvd...drag files in...click the burn icon...done.

The PC users have the option of playing games much more efficiently...and they do...and the hardware is faster....for the money.

but if you ask many older people i know....they would prefer macs if the macs weren't as expensive simply because its much easier than operating a windows pc.

[jaigandhi5]

i just switched from windows to mac last week

and os x is quite amazing....but im still having a little trouble finding the right browser for me :lol:

and err...os x is a ram hog...

is there anyway to turn off some of the cool, yet resource hogging effects? i have 512mb on my g4 ibook but its still isnt enough...im upgrading to 768 on monday... :)

[sfu_engineer]

That's what all you Mac guys say. How you have no problems compared to Windows.

However you are merely avoiding the true point being made here. PC versus Mac.

Not Windows versus Mac OS. We are talking hardware!!! Do not hide behind the OS. Yet it's more stable - I agree.

But we're speaking of hardware!

We aren't JUST talking about hardware. Since you can't have a MAC without the MAC OS we are indeed comparing PC+Windows to MAC+MAC OS. I work part time at my university's tech support group. PC/Windows machines always come in with viruses and spyware/adware while Apples have very few of these problems.

Peronally, I enjoy using the Windows operating system myself but I can see why a MAC would be appealing for some users. Apple systems offer software that wouldn't normally be found on a Windows machine, but that means it may probably not have Windows specific software. In the end it comes down to what you want to do with your computer.

[sfu_engineer]

i just switched from windows to mac last week

and os x is quite amazing....but im still having a little trouble finding the right browser for me :lol:

and err...os x is a ram hog...

is there anyway to turn off some of the cool, yet resource hogging effects? i have 512mb on my g4 ibook but its still isnt enough...im upgrading to 768 on monday... :)

Why upgrade by only 256mb? The price difference between a 256mb and a 512mb stick is almost negliable. Go with the bigger stick! In this case ... bigger IS better! ;)

[jason9945]

Why upgrade by only 256mb? The price difference between a 256mb and a 512mb stick is almost negliable. Go with the bigger stick! In this case ... bigger IS better! ;)

Right now his machine has 256megs soldered on to the motherboard and one ram slot with 256megs. He is swapping the second 256meg to a 512meg stick. I'd go for the full one gig! Do it! Do it!

[jaigandhi5]

Why upgrade by only 256mb? The price difference between a 256mb and a 512mb stick is almost negliable. Go with the bigger stick! In this case ... bigger IS better! ;)
ibook came with 256mb, i stole 256mb from my other laptop...so now ill get a 512 to replace that 256 which i stole :)

[jason9945]

ibook came with 256mb, i stole 256mb from my other laptop...so now ill get a 512 to replace that 256 which i stole :)
HAHA! i was right.

Be careful with ram, they are picky as hell!
I had some generic kingston ram and my iBook wouldnt wake from sleep but otherwise worked fine.

[jaigandhi5]

HAHA! i was right.

Be careful with ram, they are picky as hell!
I had some generic kingston ram and my iBook wouldnt wake from sleep but otherwise worked fine.
im getting 512mb samsung pc2700 for 55$

ill see if i can get a 1gb for 70$ if i can then ill get a 1gb...do i really need 1gb?

and currently i have pc2100

how do i know if my ibook can handle pc2700 because i know from 2100 to 2700 would make a siginificant difference...?

i dont have more than 512 on any of my windows based pcs and have always found it plenty but on the ibook 512 is like 256 :lol:

[bembol]

Switched to Mac back in September with the Mac Mini...!!!

I love it but sometimes it can be annoying...simple thing like Converting Files for my PSP...I guess I still need to learn but I tried several Mac Programs and can't get it to work...!!! I'm glad I kept my Dell Dimension 8100...used PSP Video9 and done...!!!

I'm giving the Dell to my brother and pick up the new Dell Centrino DUO 6400 :)

[kev*]

OSX runs on mac...it's that simple.



Statement of the day?

[sfu_lifer]

If you think OSX is a RAM hog, wait till you use Vista.
Granted this is only a beta but geez, 768MB taken up before I install anything or do any work is obscene.
Meanwhile my OSX86 machine is happily running on 256MB of RAM. My Linux box with Gnome is running well with 192MB.
I do find Vista to be better looking than the OSX86 I installed tho.

[sfu_engineer]

If you think OSX is a RAM hog, wait till you use Vista.
Granted this is only a beta but geez, 768MB taken up before I install anything or do any work is obscene.
Meanwhile my OSX86 machine is happily running on 256MB of RAM. My Linux box with Gnome is running well with 192MB.
I do find Vista to be better looking than the OSX86 I installed tho.

WHOA! Nice user name! ;)
Vista problably seems like a memory hog now. But I am sure people thought Windows XP was a memory hog back in the days of Windows 98 SE.

[Cyber6]

WHOA! Nice user name! ;)
Vista problably seems like a memory hog now. But I am sure people thought Windows XP was a memory hog back in the days of Windows 98 SE.


Very true... soon enough 1 gig of ram will be the minimum standard. Most everyone else will have 4 gigs.. ;)


C.

[speedyturtle]

It depends on who you ask. I use PC at work and using both pc/mac at home and mac is still my fav.

I'm on a Powerbook g4 typing this post.

[theinfamous]

I work part time at my university's tech support group. PC/Windows machines always come in with viruses and spyware/adware while Apples have very few of these problems.

This is most likely due to market share than anything else. If you were a virus writer or adware/spyware creator, would you create a program that targets only say 10% of systems or one that targets 90% of systems?

[sfu_engineer]

This is most likely due to market share than anything else. If you were a virus writer or adware/spyware creator, would you create a program that targets only say 10% of systems or one that targets 90% of systems?

Very true. But upon coming to university I was surprised that many more people actually used Apple computer's then I thought. Must be Apple and their marketing of the iPod as it seems now everyone on campus sports those white ear buds and white/silver laptops!

You'd be surprised at how many people actually use Apple laptops/desktops and I would guess-timate that this number is not proportional to the number of viruses that Mac users get.

[MasZakrY]

I think this is a more accurate reason for modern macs
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2285904448784173497&q=macs+suck

[shuffle]

i just switched from windows to mac last week

and os x is quite amazing....but im still having a little trouble finding the right browser for me :lol:

and err...os x is a ram hog...

is there anyway to turn off some of the cool, yet resource hogging effects? i have 512mb on my g4 ibook but its still isnt enough...im upgrading to 768 on monday... :)

512 aint enough in Windows or on a mac.

Why not use firefox?

My iMac is scheduled to ship on Monday. Yay!

[bokep]

Link (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8317851492628123681)
welcome to 3 years ago

and it's not even funny

[sfu_lifer]

WHOA! Nice user name! ;)
Vista problably seems like a memory hog now. But I am sure people thought Windows XP was a memory hog back in the days of Windows 98 SE.
Thanks, right back at ya (been here at RFD for what seems like ages). Are you really an SFU (Burnaby) student?
Way back in the mid 90s, when no student can afford laptops on campus, the library had equal ratio of macs:pcs. EVERYONE used the PCs while the Powermacs got no love. There were lineups to use the PCs.
So I forced myself to learn to use the Macs properly at the library to avoid the lineups :)
Sure using Office for the Mac kinda sucked and saving it to a floppy for use in the PC was an adventure but at least it functioned.

[Cafe_333]

Somehow I'd like you to ask any graphic/video/audio professional in the entertainment industry if they prefer PC over a Mac....99% would say no... :arrowu: True story.

[jollyeskimo]

(insert product here) sucks because of (insert same product here) fanboys.

[Oversized Rooster]

Mac OS is sluggish with 512MB memory because it loads frequently used proggies on memory, right?

Vista has come up with this now (later). This is probably an awesome feature actually, especially if you invested in more RAM, and not so much CPU speed.

[randomdef]

my ibook has 512megs of ram, i never found it sluggish.

[ViperZ]

that video is old, stupid and not funny...

[sfu_engineer]

(insert product here) sucks because of (insert same product here) fanboys.

I hate it when that happens! But the thing is, I support both Windows and MAC computers. It would be perfect to have both Windows and a MAC.


Thanks, right back at ya (been here at RFD for what seems like ages). Are you really an SFU (Burnaby) student?
Way back in the mid 90s, when no student can afford laptops on campus, the library had equal ratio of macs:pcs. EVERYONE used the PCs while the Powermacs got no love. There were lineups to use the PCs.
So I forced myself to learn to use the Macs properly at the library to avoid the lineups :)
Sure using Office for the Mac kinda sucked and saving it to a floppy for use in the PC was an adventure but at least it functioned.

"sfu" are just my initials. People always mistake me for Simon Fraser University, perhaps I should've went there instead of Queen's University :D.

Also we have the same thing at work. We recently switched an old Window desktop to a Mac Mini, and now nobody uses it anymore. I think there's a learning curve initially from switching to a Windows Machine to MAC.

[bfurtado]

This is most likely due to market share than anything else. If you were a virus writer or adware/spyware creator, would you create a program that targets only say 10% of systems or one that targets 90% of systems?

From The Register:

Schroeder's contest, by contrast, invited contestants to breach a PowerPC Mac mini (running Mac OS X 10.4.5 with the latest security updates) which was connected to the net with open SSH and HTTP ports and two user accounts, neither of which were handed over to potential attackers. This test system Information Week withstood 4,000 log-in attempts, SSH dictionary attacks, numerous scanning probes and two denial-of-service attacks in the first day of the challenge before Schroeder was forced to pull the plug on the challenge on Tuesday after just 38 hours and days before its scheduled conclusion.

The sysadmin had failed to clear the challenge with university authorities, who told Schroeder to kill it. Nonetheless Schroeder felt that the hacking contest proved his point about Mac OS X security despite its premature conclusion.

[ynchu]

I have both PC and Mac.

They both do what I ask them to do, end of story.

No one is better than the other. They are both easy to use and productive.

Oh, while Windowsupdate always ask me to reboot, don't think you can get away with Macs, you still have to reboot!

Native support on Apache on Macs is cool, same with IIs on Windows platform.

[money1]

From The Register:

Schroeder's contest, by contrast, invited contestants to breach a PowerPC Mac mini (running Mac OS X 10.4.5 with the latest security updates) which was connected to the net with open SSH and HTTP ports and two user accounts, neither of which were handed over to potential attackers. This test system Information Week withstood 4,000 log-in attempts, SSH dictionary attacks, numerous scanning probes and two denial-of-service attacks in the first day of the challenge before Schroeder was forced to pull the plug on the challenge on Tuesday after just 38 hours and days before its scheduled conclusion.

The sysadmin had failed to clear the challenge with university authorities, who told Schroeder to kill it. Nonetheless Schroeder felt that the hacking contest proved his point about Mac OS X security despite its premature conclusion.


link?

[FastFokker]

link?Man you are lazy.

Just take the first few words of the article, copy and paste it into google and you will find the friggin link.

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Schroeder%27s+contest%2C+by+contrast%2C+invited&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

See:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/09/mac_hacking_challenge/

[IronMac]

Mac OS is sluggish with 512MB memory because it loads frequently used proggies on memory, right?



You've never used a Mac have you but you still feel that you can judge. :confused:

[Oversized Rooster]

You've never used a Mac have you but you still feel that you can judge. :confused:

I have used a Mac on several occasions. I've also troubleshooted customer's Macs a few times. One of them still has that damn thing, and the other replaced it with a Dell laptop. God bless him.

If it weren't for their iPod products (overpriced MP3 players which can do nothing more than a typical Creative product costing 70% of that can do), Apple wouldn't live much as a company.

[spol]

What really bothers me is the guy in the video who is still using Mac while he hates it so much.

[IronMac]

I have used a Mac on several occasions. I've also troubleshooted customer's Macs a few times. One of them still has that damn thing, and the other replaced it with a Dell laptop. God bless him.

If it weren't for their iPod products (overpriced MP3 players which can do nothing more than a typical Creative product costing 70% of that can do), Apple wouldn't live much as a company.

First of all, your customers would be better served if they asked someone who actually knew Macs to troubleshoot their machines.
Second, Apple does not depend on the iPod to survive as a company.

I currently own a 4-yr old PowerMac that has 640 megs of memory running OS X (10.3.9). It is currently running about 10 programs:

1. Thunderbird
2. iTunes
3. Activity Monitor
4. Word for OS X, (4 documents open)
5. Apimac Timer
6. Yahoo Messenger
7. Opera (6 tabs open)
8. Firefox (5 windows open for a total of about 30 tabs open)
9. mySql hosting WordPress
10. Apache webserver

It's definitely not slow and I very much doubt that it will crash on me.

I shake my head when I hear how a good friend of mine has to reinstall his WinXP box every six months or so. I've been running Panther for almost two years now and have never had to re-install it. WinXP is a huge waste of time and resources when it comes to supporting it. ;)

[IronMac]

What really bothers me is the guy in the video who is still using Mac while he hates it so much.

The alternative is going to Windows! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Actually, websurfing on a WinXP machine is pretty good and it used to be significantly better when compared to a Mac OS 9 machine or even the earlier OS X releases.

[CARLiTO_]

New video: Link (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2285904448784173497&q=macs+suck)

[jollyeskimo]

New video: Link (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2285904448784173497&q=macs+suck)
I think this is a more accurate reason for modern macs
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2285904448784173497&q=macs+suckand it's pretty old as well...


I hate it when that happens! But the thing is, I support both Windows and MAC computers. It would be perfect to have both Windows and a MAC.

As do I, but the extreme proponents are what deters me from actually considering their suggestion. Personally, when fanboys get all heated and preachy about why their choice is indisputably better, the overzealousness actually discourages potential switchers...

[spol]

New video: Link (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2285904448784173497&q=macs+suck)

thats lame.

[jedijome]

The funniest thing is how mac fans criticize windows as being unstable.
Ummm when was the last time you actually used xp? windows has come a long way from the early days of 95, 98 and ME (almost ditched windows because of me *shudder*).

yes windows isn't as pretty and stable as osx but you're comparing a 5 year old os to one thats just over a year old. computers have come a long way and well the older os isn't going to look as pretty out of the box, obviously.

macs are definitely cool, and i would use one. i almost bought a powerbook off a friend but decided i didn't need it :( so i'll stick to my thinkpad for now.

for most people whether it's a windows or mac it's all the same, who the heck cares. you check mail, you surf you listen to music. main reason i'll have a pc is to play fps and mmogs like wow. :)

[bfurtado]

The funniest thing is how mac fans criticize windows as being unstable.
Ummm when was the last time you actually used xp? windows has come a long way from the early days of 95, 98 and ME (almost ditched windows because of me *shudder*).

yes windows isn't as pretty and stable as osx but you're comparing a 5 year old os to one thats just over a year old. computers have come a long way and well the older os isn't going to look as pretty out of the box, obviously.

macs are definitely cool, and i would use one. i almost bought a powerbook off a friend but decided i didn't need it :( so i'll stick to my thinkpad for now.

for most people whether it's a windows or mac it's all the same, who the heck cares. you check mail, you surf you listen to music. main reason i'll have a pc is to play fps and mmogs like wow. :)

I still had my PC right up until XP SP2. Then I went all Mac but I use XP everyday at work and its fine. Its not very intuitive and tends to choke easier when running tonnes of apps but its OK. I 100% prefer Apple but Windows Vista has got me interested. I'll wait and see what it brings to the table. Who knows. Maybe an Intel Mac desktop and Windows Laptop or, maybe even a Windows Origami-Based sub-tablet if someone designs one that's not so friggin ugly (I think Asus had a nice one).

Brian

[IronMac]

The funniest thing is how mac fans criticize windows as being unstable.
Ummm when was the last time you actually used xp?

Well, if you're asking me..my sis has the WinXP box that I built and I also have an IBM T20. In fact, I've used Windows 3.1, 95, 2000 and XP; I've also used ProDos, OS 7, 8, and 9 in addition to X.


main reason i'll have a pc is to play fps and mmogs like wow. :)

Yep, that's the only reason as far as I'm concerned to go with a Windows machine. Four years ago, it was time to replace my system and it was a choice between building myself a WinXP box or going with the newfangled OS X. I decided that I wanted to be more productive and went with OS X. :)

[kocoman]

I have to turn off Safari's (web browser included with OSX) javascript to avoid crash at redflagdeals.. Firefox is way slower I don't know why. I am using 10.4.5 for intel on SSE2

[IronMac]

Have you tried Camino or Opera? FF 1.5.0.1 isn't very fast on my machine but it's opened to a lot of websites and hasn't been shut down in days. I try to go for weeks without shutting FF down. :cheesygri

[CodecX81]

It is all intel based now anyhow..

I think MACs are better to use for people who have not been exposed to computers. Its easier to get a feel for & it works great right out of the box.

But you also pay a price premium for your lack of knowledge...higher total cost, plus cost of upgrades are quite high as well.

I understand how to use both, I prefer PC for the amount of resources I have for it & the pricetag.

[frogger]

I have to turn off Safari's (web browser included with OSX) javascript to avoid crash at redflagdeals.. Firefox is way slower I don't know why. I am using 10.4.5 for intel on SSE2
Thats odd, I haven't had that issue but then I'm on an ibook.

[The_Duke_Of_Eli]

I could fight on an entire page why I do not like macs. BUt I won't and just say I loved that video because it's so true.

[divx]

you can build a monster pc for a relatively low price compared to the mac, since it's really hard to find mac parts.

[batcave]

I think MACs are better to use for people who have not been exposed to computers....or people that have been exposed to Windows! :razz:

[Audiogenic]

They are a speciality product (audio, video, desktop publishing, ect.) that 95% of computer users have no need for which is why they are expensive and in the niche market they are in the first place. They don't suck, they just aren't both practical and cost effective for the average joe.

[IronMac]

plus cost of upgrades are quite high as well.



What sort of upgrades are you talking about here??? On virtually all Macs, the most common upgrades are RAM and HDs. Those can and do cost the same as with any Wintel PC.

[IronMac]

They are a speciality product (audio, video, desktop publishing, ect.) that 95% of computer users have no need for which is why they are expensive and in the niche market they are in the first place. They don't suck, they just aren't both practical and cost effective for the average joe.

My friend, the one who spends his Sunday afternoons re-installing WinXP, doesn't do much more than download torrents, check webmail, and surf the Web. I look at him and ask him why does he waste his time (he's a CGA) when he could otherwise be earning money. He has a couple of good reasons...he runs old DOS games and Linux.

Now, I don't know why the average Joe continues to waste their time and efforts on Windows when they could be doing something a lot more productive. You spend a hundred...or two hundred more and you get that back probably within a year.

Penny smart and pound foolish seems to apply here.

[kev*]

My friend, the one who spends his Sunday afternoons re-installing WinXP, doesn't do much more than download torrents, check webmail, and surf the Web. I look at him and ask him why does he waste his time (he's a CGA) when he could otherwise be earning money. He has a couple of good reasons...he runs old DOS games and Linux.

Now, I don't know why the average Joe continues to waste their time and efforts on Windows when they could be doing something a lot more productive. You spend a hundred...or two hundred more and you get that back probably within a year.

Penny smart and pound foolish seems to apply here.

This sounds like a get rich quick scheme infomercial...

What may I ask are you doing with your all-mighty Mac to make you so much more money that every Windows user out there? Please enlighten us with your knowledge. I will gladly switch to a mac if it will make me a millionaire.

Maybe it's that new program for OSX I've been hearing about called I-Cash?

[IronMac]

What may I ask are you doing with your all-mighty Mac to make you so much more money that every Windows user out there? Please enlighten us with your knowledge. I will gladly switch to a mac if it will make me a millionaire.


Tell me something...what is your time worth to you? Either hours at your profession or hours spent doing something you really enjoy can count. How many hours do you spend cleaning up after viruses and reinstalling the OS each year? Take those two and multiply them together. :D

[frogger]

I have a mac, but also a PC. Hmm my PC is running XP, haven't even updated to SP2 and last time I installed was when I built it in Sept 04.

[shuffle]

Point is moot - maybe XP can be run on the Intel macs now?

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=265153

[kev*]

Tell me something...what is your time worth to you? Either hours at your profession or hours spent doing something you really enjoy can count. How many hours do you spend cleaning up after viruses and reinstalling the OS each year? Take those two and multiply them together. :D

I haven't reinstalled my OS in almost 3 years and I even upgraded my motherboard and almost every other part.

If you know what you are doing (and what to avoid) you'll be able to keep your machine clean and running smoothly for quite a long time.

You "friend" must be downloading alot of spyware and viruses with his bittorrent porn.

[spol]

So bottom line of the thread:

If you are familiar with pc, its the best thing in the world, if you cant keep up with it then go for a mac, and no that doesn’t mean mac suck, but ipods do.

[IronMac]

If you know what you are doing (and what to avoid) you'll be able to keep your machine clean and running smoothly for quite a long time.

I completely agree with this but the majority of people don't know what they're doing.


You "friend" must be downloading alot of spyware and viruses with his bittorrent porn.

He's downloading a lot of stuff but not porn. It's all of those Chinese torrent sites that his wife goes to. :lol:

BTW, he knows a lot more about computers than most people on this board; he's been using computers since the late '80s and knows his way around Dos, Windows and Linux.

[IronMac]

So bottom line of the thread:

If you are familiar with pc, its the best thing in the world, if you cant keep up with it then go for a mac

No, bottom line, if you've got the time and knowledge to keep on top of your PC's troubles go for it, no greater gaming machine out there! :lol:

[kev*]

I agree fully to what's been said. So it seems like we're all in agreement.

Quick... Lock the thread!!! :D

[spol]

No, bottom line, if you've got the time and knowledge to keep on top of your PC's troubles go for it, no greater gaming machine out there! :lol:

For you its troubles, for us its something else, the power of customization.

[IronMac]

For you its troubles, for us its something else, the power of customization.

You mean someone else's "customization" of your machine with a virus? :lol:

[spol]

You mean someone else's "customization" of your machine with a virus? :lol:


You said the same thing ten times already. If you enjoy spending time on ur mac then why do you even bother with this thread? Most PC vs Mac discussions are useless for both parties, and those videos were lame.

[contoursvt]

I have to support Macs here in the office as well as PCs. I rarely get called for PC support but I'm always dealing with stupid issues on the Macs like print jobs not printing or just getting stuck or vanishing into thin air..etc. I get called for application errors often or computers beachballing for ever and not being able to force quit. I've been getting calls about machines not shutting down. The computer are dual G5 2.5's and 30" displays.

The calls I get on the PC side are "my palm is not syncing or how do I....." Its never a big issue. Oh also we have 15 macs and about 100 PCs and yet I still go for mac support almost 10:1

Sorry but Macs are crap and OSX is crap. Nowhere near stable as XP. Hell its so bad that one of our hardcore mac guys purchased an Acer dualcore laptop just to play (for testing websites he makes) and he's liking the laptop and XP so much that he's not going to get another mac. This was his first PC. He said its more stable, way faster and tons more freeware software.

[@hmad]

http://bash.org/?462310

;)

Personally think they are overpriced and overrated. I can load up BSD on any computer and it will have all the functionality a mac has.. except its not as fancy and doesn't cost $100 for the OS. Macs have had to change so much just to make themselves look like PCs. Consider the position Apple had before OS X and after.

[@hmad]

Sorry but Macs are crap and OSX is crap. Nowhere near stable as XP. Hell its so bad that one of our hardcore mac guys purchased an Acer dualcore laptop just to play (for testing websites he makes) and he's liking the laptop and XP so much that he's not going to get another mac. This was his first PC. He said its more stable, way faster and tons more freeware software.

QFT

Windows XP has come a long way from the 95/98 days (lets not consider ME, because thats just one sad tale). I have yet to date see my Windows XP machine crash for no reason.

[IronMac]

I have to support Macs here in the office as well as PCs. I rarely get called for PC support but I'm always dealing with stupid issues on the Macs like print jobs not printing or just getting stuck or vanishing into thin air..etc. I get called for application errors often or computers beachballing for ever and not being able to force quit. I've been getting calls about machines not shutting down. The computer are dual G5 2.5's and 30" displays.

The calls I get on the PC side are "my palm is not syncing or how do I....." Its never a big issue. Oh also we have 15 macs and about 100 PCs and yet I still go for mac support almost 10:1

Sorry but Macs are crap and OSX is crap. Nowhere near stable as XP. Hell its so bad that one of our hardcore mac guys purchased an Acer dualcore laptop just to play (for testing websites he makes) and he's liking the laptop and XP so much that he's not going to get another mac. This was his first PC. He said its more stable, way faster and tons more freeware software.


Wow, I guess there is a first time for everything! :)

[DigitalN.]

http://bash.org/?462310

;)

Personally think they are overpriced and overrated. I can load up BSD on any computer and it will have all the functionality a mac has.. except its not as fancy and doesn't cost $100 for the OS. Macs have had to change so much just to make themselves look like PCs. Consider the position Apple had before OS X and after.
you've obviously never used OSX if you are posting that quote.

and mac's don't change to look like Windows, Windows changes to look like a mac. Have you SEEN Vista?

[A.C.E.S]

To all mac users,

A computers looks doesn't make a computer go faster... lol... rotfl....

[milhaus]

To all mac users,

A computers looks doesn't make a computer go faster... lol... rotfl....
Revive a very dead thread to add that to the conversation? Really, is that lol? Does that make you rotfl? Really? Oh well, nothing like humor for the ********.

[theinfamous]

Revive a very dead thread to add that to the conversation? Really, is that lol? Does that make you rotfl? Really? Oh well, nothing like humor for the ********.

LOL :lol:

[Pricyber]

mac sucks because is just over priced, for the same hardware, ie Intel Core Duo, ATI x1600, 1gb dd2 ram, etc etc.. its cost alot more than an window or linux machine.

other than the price, macs are great

[bfurtado]

mac sucks because is just over priced, for the same hardware, ie Intel Core Duo, ATI x1600, 1gb dd2 ram, etc etc.. its cost alot more than an window or linux machine.

other than the price, macs are great

Common misconception. I just priced out a Dell 9200C. It's one of those thinner, low profile desktops. With 1GB RAM, Core 2 Duo e6400 (like my 20" core 2 duo iMac), 802.11G wireless usb adapter, 20" LCD, webcam and the like, it came out to $1787. The iMac is $1699 and I paid $1549 with education discount. The systems are nearly Identical. Same hard drives, same processor, same widescreen monitor. The Dell only had a x1300 video card, the iMac an x1600. And of course, the camera and wireless are built into the iMac whereas those options on the Dell have to be added seperately. Also the Dell has no creative suite like iLife so we *could* add another $100 for something like Pinnacle but I'll just assume that someone may *borrow* it from a friend. Also, I didn't add a security suite b/c that's free online through AVG and SPybot Search and DEstory. Bottom line though - compare Apples to Apples, so to speak, and the Expensive Mac myth disintegrates.

PS - the RAM in the iMac is 667Mhz and the Dell is 533Mhz

I know some are going to say, who really needs a webcam or USB 802.11g adapter, but I am trying to compare component and feature for feature. You cannot say one is more expensive than the other and then cut out parts from the PC to under price it.

[Aero]

someone's trying to add fuel to an almost dead flame....

mac does not suck.
mac fanboys do.

[lomoX]

Oh for crying out loud, u suck more than this topic, check around the forums on how many new Mac users are satisfied and happy, they used to be windows users too... Mac users are just tired of people who never really experience or owned a Mac before and shoot crap from their mouth.


someone's trying to add fuel to an almost dead flame....

mac does not suck.
mac fanboys do.

[jason9945]

To all mac users,

A computers looks doesn't make a computer go faster... lol... rotfl....

To all PC Users:

Adding led's to your computers case doesnt make it go faster.....lol....rotfl......

[Flyer]

To all PC Users:

Adding led's to your computers case doesnt make it go faster.....lol....rotfl......
I say the same thing to ricers too...

The Type-R stickers are +5 HP, I swear!

[Evil Baby]

Common misconception. I just priced out a Dell 9200C. It's one of those thinner, low profile desktops. With 1GB RAM, Core 2 Duo e6400 (like my 20" core 2 duo iMac), 802.11G wireless usb adapter, 20" LCD, webcam and the like, it came out to $1787. The iMac is $1699 and I paid $1549 with education discount. The systems are nearly Identical. Same hard drives, same processor, same widescreen monitor. The Dell only had a x1300 video card, the iMac an x1600. And of course, the camera and wireless are built into the iMac whereas those options on the Dell have to be added seperately. Also the Dell has no creative suite like iLife so we *could* add another $100 for something like Pinnacle but I'll just assume that someone may *borrow* it from a friend. Also, I didn't add a security suite b/c that's free online through AVG and SPybot Search and DEstory. Bottom line though - compare Apples to Apples, so to speak, and the Expensive Mac myth disintegrates.

PS - the RAM in the iMac is 667Mhz and the Dell is 533Mhz

I know some are going to say, who really needs a webcam or USB 802.11g adapter, but I am trying to compare component and feature for feature. You cannot say one is more expensive than the other and then cut out parts from the PC to under price it.


That is until you want to upgrade what Apple offers. How much is it going to cost you for a high end video card in the imac, considering they use laptop video cards? ram from apple? If you don't need a monitor but still want a decently powerful machine? Want to overclock?


However, for the average user who doesn't know a geek who can build a machine for them. Apple has done a very decent job at hitting each price point. However I find Apple is sometimes a little slow at upgrading to newer technology. When they do upgrade though they usually go all out.

[kitbor]

I used to switch to MAC for a year before switch back to PC. OS X is very good so as XP. But when it came down to upgrading hardware, MAC was too picky and drilled the big hole in my wallet. Sadly, had too let it go.

[jason9945]

I say the same thing to ricers too...

The Type-R stickers are +5 HP, I swear!

More like +50.... n00b. :lol:

[Codegen]

I'll never understand why Mac vs. PC threads always go into these childish arguments...

[Evil Baby]

I'll never understand why Mac vs. PC threads always go into these childish arguments...

Because nobody wants to admit they've been had for a grand or two buying the wrong technology.

[Aero]

Oh for crying out loud, u suck more than this topic, check around the forums on how many new Mac users are satisfied and happy, they used to be windows users too... Mac users are just tired of people who never really experience or owned a Mac before and shoot crap from their mouth.

That's a stupid argument from a stupid person.

I dont want to call anyone stupid but thats my reply for your post.


How do you justify sucking from people who post their dissatisfaction about a product. Those switcher might not like the switch because it is different or it does not fit their needs. If that's your argument then most thing sucks because most product has almost 50 like and 50 dislike.

[hybrid.09]

It's just the because it's Apple, they make slick designs, and it has it's whole own OS.

Compare to a TV :lol: Sony vs. Hyundai

[milhaus]

Because nobody wants to admit they've been had for a grand or two buying the wrong technology.I agree; that's why most PC fanboys are so defensive about their systems.

This is especially those who know nothing about Macs, and claim that Apple is slow to move to new technologies, esp. things like Firewire, Wifi, USB. Good thing PC motherboards still come with parallel and serial ports. . . .

[Evil Baby]

I agree; that's why most PC fanboys are so defensive about their systems.

This is especially those who know nothing about Macs, and claim that Apple is slow to move to new technologies, esp. things like Firewire, Wifi, USB. Good thing PC motherboards still come with parallel and serial ports. . . .

It was meant to go both ways but meh....


I myself am a PC fanboy. I room with two mac fanboys and I can't stand the system. But my major uses are gaming and electronic specific programs that don't work on a mac. No mac machine even came close to matching my specs for pirce and my machine at 1/3 the cost of one of my room mates MacPro destroys it in gaming benchmarks. Encoding and decoding on the other hand.... That's a different story, but I can assure you, I play far mroe games than he encodes or decodes.

[Flyer]

It was meant to go both ways but meh....


I myself am a PC fanboy. I room with two mac fanboys and I can't stand the system. But my major uses are gaming and electronic specific programs that don't work on a mac. No mac machine even came close to matching my specs for pirce and my machine at 1/3 the cost of one of my room mates MacPro destroys it in gaming benchmarks. Encoding and decoding on the other hand.... That's a different story, but I can assure you, I play far mroe games than he encodes or decodes.

Eh? Half of the good computer security software don't even work on macs =\

[Outphase]

I use both, OS X is a much nicer OS to use (and by no means slow with the dual cores nowadays), both have their advantages; Windows definitely got a crapload of programs available and OS X has the best things built in.

Example:
Most of the features in OS X's Automator (resizing batch photos, renaming a bunch of files, etc) aren't easily done in windows and probably going to need 3rd party software which costs money.

Encoders for the iPod, PSP, Xbox etc are widely available on Windows and I've yet to be able to find them for free on OS X.

in the end, reading fanboys flame each other is fun.

[slim_shady]

Eh? Half of the good computer security software don't even work on macs =\

I believe you meant: Half of the good computer security software ISN'T REQUIRED on macs.

[bmaz]

Toyotas are better than Hondas, Hondas just look cooler.

[Flyer]

I believe you meant: Half of the good computer security software ISN'T REQUIRED on macs.
...is your name Chris Rice by any chance?

Challenge: Find five computer security companies that use macs. Start by asking this guy. (http://www.kevinmitnick.com/) Then maybe talk to hime (http://www.takedown.com/bio/index.html) about the security benefits of macs.

[bfurtado]

I say to he each his own now. In my early stages of adoption I tended to be overzealous b/c it was just that good an experience for me - I felt I had to evangelize it. I still have to chime in though when old and now disproven arguments still come up like lack of software arguments, or purchase price arguments. Other than that - yeah the upgradeability on a Mac is much more expensive, and almost impossible with integrated designs like the iMac. I used to build my own PCs so yeah I kind of miss that option, but otherwise its a fair trade off for a machine that I need to invest ZERO maintenance time into. And yes Apple rips you off on RAM upgrades but so do most manufacturers. I just buy my own. Any PC RAM should do. Apple and other dealers try to scare you with the notion that a Mac needs specific RAM but it can use the same PC Ram as long as the specs match (ie, DDR1 or DDR2, SO-Dimm, etc). Sometimes its picky but usually it works right at boot. I just buy my RAM from NCIX.

[board123]

I believe you meant: Half of the good computer security software ISN'T REQUIRED on macs.
This is my security package for Win XP:

none

That's right. No anti-virus, no software firewall. All I use is the firewall on my router and I've never had any security issues. Talk about weird...

[slim_shady]

Challenge: Find five computer security companies that use macs. Start by asking this guy. (http://www.kevinmitnick.com/) Then maybe talk to hime (http://www.takedown.com/bio/index.html) about the security benefits of macs.

Since you're so gung-ho about this issue, why not reverse your challenge... find five (reputable) security companies that specifically say macs are not more secure than pc's, and provide documentation to verify your findings.

[slim_shady]

This is my security package for Win XP:

none

That's right. No anti-virus, no software firewall. All I use is the firewall on my router and I've never had any security issues. Talk about weird...

There are lots and lots of PC users that don't use any security software and most of them think they're safe too, just like you... but isn't that the biggest problem with Windows? False sense of security from uneducated users?

[Evil Baby]

There are lots and lots of PC users that don't use any security software and most of them think they're safe too, just like you... but isn't that the biggest problem with Windows? False sense of security from uneducated users?

The biggest problem with Window's is it's uneducated users. The ones who open random emails, download movies, music and porn from places like frostwire.

It all depends on the user. I service about 10 computers(friends of the family and what have you). They've all purchased kaspersky and it is running. On the people who follow what I tell them and don't have any need to illegally download music or movies, there is never a problem. Never any threats detected.

On the the other machines there will be between 5 - 50 threats detected. Of couse as long as they don't disable kaspersky they're fine, but it is clearly there fault for acting the way they do.

and I have very little hope that vista will help them out either, because these are the type of people who will just keep hitting ok to install whatever they want.

[joe229]

And yes Apple rips you off on RAM upgrades but so do most manufacturers. I just buy my own. Any PC RAM should do. Apple and other dealers try to scare you with the notion that a Mac needs specific RAM but it can use the same PC Ram as long as the specs match (ie, DDR1 or DDR2, SO-Dimm, etc). Sometimes its picky but usually it works right at boot. I just buy my RAM from NCIX.

Though i'm sure this can be true in many cases, i have to pipe up here to disagree with this sentiment in general. Perhaps it's mainly laptops, i don't know but i have bought RAM a couple times from random PC shops at the cheapest possible price and had pretty brutal results, i.e. random freezing, won't boot up, etc...so if possible, i'd recommend getting RAM from a dealer who at least claims it is mac friendly, because they *are* more picky than your average PC.

FWIW, I ended up getting my RAM from http://macramdirect.com/ and it worked out fine, and was far far cheaper than RAM directly from apple.

[xg3]

MAC is GREAT until they slapped on the intel platform.. now u can buy a pc, 1/2 as cheap and run the os on it.

so lemme phase it correctly..

OSX is great. mac hardware blows, overpriced.

[board123]

There are lots and lots of PC users that don't use any security software and most of them think they're safe too, just like you... but isn't that the biggest problem with Windows? False sense of security from uneducated users?
Oh I think I'm pretty educated. I think.

[itsmypostoffice]

i don't have a problem with macs at all since that's what i used to cut my teeth learning digital media. on the other hand i have problems with apple governance and their customers.

over the years (and even in current commercials) apple products are touted as premium and exceptional products - perhaps. but users are not provided with adequate access to software or hardware upgrades. if apple is earning profit from a premium product then they should collaborate with manufacturers and VAR to reduce prices on aftermarket upgrades.

the second irony is how after 2 decades apple and loyal customers still like to kick pc users in the teeth. um...your best selling consumer platform runs intel cpus. end of story. that makes your commercials marketing hype so admit it.

mac software is intuitive and responsive but there developer channels are very shallow. if macs are leaders in personal multimedia enabled laptops then why does it take so long to find adequate divx, streaming, bt, universal compression standards for apple? it shouldn't say, "get it first" it should read "get in line". i'm not a hater since i operate macs at work but to hear the preaching year in year out you'd think they invented fission!

[Flyer]

i don't have a problem with macs at all since that's what i used to cut my teeth learning digital media. on the other hand i have problems with apple governance and their customers.

over the years (and even in current commercials) apple products are touted as premium and exceptional products - perhaps. but users are not provided with adequate access to software or hardware upgrades. if apple is earning profit from a premium product then they should collaborate with manufacturers and VAR to reduce prices on aftermarket upgrades.

the second irony is how after 2 decades apple and loyal customers still like to kick pc users in the teeth. um...your best selling consumer platform runs intel cpus. end of story. that makes your commercials marketing hype so admit it.

mac software is intuitive and responsive but there developer channels are very shallow. if macs are leaders in personal multimedia enabled laptops then why does it take so long to find adequate divx, streaming, bt, universal compression standards for apple? it shouldn't say, "get it first" it should read "get in line". i'm not a hater since i operate macs at work but to hear the preaching year in year out you'd think they invented fission!
Basically, that would be like me saying, "It's not macs I hate, it's their fanclub I cannot stand."

As for ricer who is dodging my challenge, if this (http://www.flemingc.on.ca/Full-time/ProgramDisplay.cfm?ProgramCode=CSI) guy (http://www.cftco.com/staff.htm) says that macs are as secure as XP, I would tend to believe that.

[slim_shady]

As for ricer who is dodging my challenge, if this (http://www.flemingc.on.ca/Full-time/ProgramDisplay.cfm?ProgramCode=CSI) guy (http://www.cftco.com/staff.htm) says that macs are as secure as XP, I would tend to believe that.

You're also dodging your own challenge, but anyway...

Maybe I'm blind, but I don't see where he states that XP is as secure as Macs anywhere on the links you posted.

Regardless, if your point is valid, you shouldn't have any problem fulfilling your own challenge and finding four more (not that I'm actually expecting you to, after biting off more than you can chew).

[atforum]

There are lots and lots of PC users that don't use any security software and most of them think they're safe too, just like you... but isn't that the biggest problem with Windows? False sense of security from uneducated users?

if you are a real noob unable to be careful then yes you need a mac. Having said that, I would say that you be locked in a room for the rest of your life as you wont be able to distinguish btw walking in the pavement or in the middle of the road.

i owned my first computer in 2000. I was a really newbie. Have not had one virus hit my system. I was forced to install two spywares when i tried to download some legal :D software. Anyway removing them was not a problem.

Other than that my only problems on a PC has been btw choosing from a wide range of software. Also windows confuses me with its really huge collection of games. ON a mac i wont be having this problem i guess... now someone get me a mac >:(

[board123]

Regardless, if your point is valid, you shouldn't have any problem fulfilling your own challenge and finding four more (not that I'm actually expecting you to, after biting off more than you can chew).
Tell that to people who go to church.

[atforum]

Since you're so gung-ho about this issue, why not reverse your challenge... find five (reputable) security companies that specifically say macs are not more secure than pc's, and provide documentation to verify your findings.

why dont you find me five reputable security companies which say that hackers are trying to write spyware and viruses for a mac but not succeeding. The last time I checked no one was really worried.

And some guy just started the apple month of bugs and the apple guys instead of being enlightened are shouting at those poor souls. Same happened to the guys who exposed the mac wireless vulenrability. On a PC we appreciate good coders :cheesygri and shout at microsoft :evil:

[atforum]

now more replies :evil: :twisted:


MAC's are really pretty good. I enjoy using them at work. Very few problems when compared to Windows OS.

have the same restrictions of your work mac at your home pc, you will have very few problems in windows as well.



for example to burn a simple data dvd on windows/pc....you have to find your burning program and then look at a million options and buttons and then burn with all these settings and whatnot...

on a mac, its much more intuitive....insert dvd...drag files in...click the burn icon...done.


looks like you are still using win 3.1 . May I welcome you to windows xp and vista:cheesygri



From The Register:

Schroeder's contest, by contrast, invited contestants to breach a PowerPC Mac mini (running Mac OS X 10.4.5 with the latest security updates) which was connected to the net with open SSH and HTTP ports and two user accounts, neither of which were handed over to potential attackers. This test system Information Week withstood 4,000 log-in attempts, SSH dictionary attacks, numerous scanning probes and two denial-of-service attacks in the first day of the challenge before Schroeder was forced to pull the plug on the challenge on Tuesday after just 38 hours and days before its scheduled conclusion.

The sysadmin had failed to clear the challenge with university authorities, who told Schroeder to kill it. Nonetheless Schroeder felt that the hacking contest proved his point about Mac OS X security despite its premature conclusion.


The link you gave is not informational. More info. reg. the exp. of potential attackers need to be given. What is their expertise?? If someone were to give me a windows machine to hack..i would never do it in my life time. And I can call myself a potential hacked. PC is secure end of story



I have both PC and Mac.

They both do what I ask them to do, end of story.

No one is better than the other. They are both easy to use and productive.

Oh, while Windowsupdate always ask me to reboot, don't think you can get away with Macs, you still have to reboot!

Native support on Apache on Macs is cool, same with IIs on Windows platform.


sensible post :)



Now, I don't know why the average Joe continues to waste their time and efforts on Windows when they could be doing something a lot more productive. You spend a hundred...or two hundred more and you get that back probably within a year.


the avg. joe does it coz he does not have to search for a mac version of autocad or visual studio or 3dmax or catia or fear or age of empires or NFL etc.

Atleast a PC guy will spend a few days in his life reinstalling xp. A MAC would have to wait for decades to get these. Now dont say you have parallels. It is always slow to run something on an emulation software. The easy soln. install bootcamp and install winxp :)

Btw seriously why is your friend installing winxp so often?? :confused: MIne is up and running 24x7 for the past 1 yr (with some reboots though).



Common misconception. I just priced out a Dell 9200C. It's one of those thinner, low profile desktops. With 1GB RAM, Core 2 Duo e6400 (like my 20" core 2 duo iMac), 802.11G wireless usb adapter, 20" LCD, webcam and the like, it came out to $1787. The iMac is $1699 and I paid $1549 with education discount


have you heard of dell discount coupons and the huge discounts that can be obtained by ordering over the phone or atleast the dell epp discounts??

[al3x89]

This is my security package for Win XP:

none

That's right. No anti-virus, no software firewall. All I use is the firewall on my router and I've never had any security issues. Talk about weird...

Same here.

And it's been like that since I first got my own computer in 2001. (I'm 17 now).

All that bullcrap that you find on the net just makes your computer run slower, and makes it seem like you have a virus. Especially Norton. That thing just slows the computer down so much, you can't even run a few programs at once.

I only run a firewall as well, and I've had spyware, everyone gets spyware, but I never had spyware that litterly screwed up my computer. I've never had a virus either, people are careless when they browse the internet and click on stupid stuff, then cry because they can't turn on the computer.

[Codegen]

If you watch what you look at on the internet, then you won't get any spyware/viruses

Unfortunately, horny bastards like myself aren't very lucky.

[MTL-TechY]

I Love Macs They Rock

Cant Wait To Get Another

[lomoX]

I don't want to call people stupid either, but if you could at least READ first!

The sucky poster I referred to, aka you, was NOT dissatisfied about a product i.e. Macs.

In fact you said Mac don't suck but Mac Fanboy does. And I think you suck, obviously a PC Fanboy.

Now are you changing your mind saying Mac sucks now too?

Actually, have you ever own a Mac?

And how many people do you see didn't like the Switch? I am sure there are a few, but pretty obvious much much less if you open your eyes, search around and READ!


That's a stupid argument from a stupid person.

I dont want to call anyone stupid but thats my reply for your post.

How do you justify sucking from people who post their dissatisfaction about a product. Those switcher might not like the switch because it is different or it does not fit their needs. If that's your argument then most thing sucks because most product has almost 50 like and 50 dislike.

[lomoX]

you've obviously never used OSX if you are posting that quote.

and mac's don't change to look like Windows, Windows changes to look like a mac. Have you SEEN Vista?

Really! Vista never copied OS X, here is proof :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDNuq94Zg_8&eurl

:cheesygri

[Tomy]

o well.. thats why we're on rfd, cheap stuff that works great :)

i personally dont care abou mac or pc..

i just hate those mac-lover who becomes snubs...