Unlimited internet for free ?

[pfbmgd]

I came across a add claimming .Unlimted free high speed internet from Rogers .Is this possible ? The guy is selling modems for $250 .I emailed him for more details .Whan he answers I will post more details .

I would post a link to another sales forum .But I`m not sure it`s allowed here .

[Brownbear]

heh i think i saw this same posting on Craigslist, correct?

[divx]

i too offer free unlimited internet, but first, you have to pay me $1000, interested? :lol:

[corrupt123]

well, in theory it might work. similar to how you'd steal cable... you steal internet.

although I'm sure they can trace the internet connections better then the rogers ones. Keep us posted.

[pfbmgd]

heh i think i saw this same posting on Craigslist, correct?


Thats where I saw it .

[magical]

You could also get a real nice omnidirectional antenna and see who you might be able to obtain free internet from around your neighbourhood...

[wbastien]

you can be cracked down so quickly with uncapped modems, dont do it, your looking at jail time + a fine.

[mahpoaht]

Hmm, this is new to me.

[Traian2003]

Rogers switched to the DOCSIS modems 2 years ago. t*n*s* has been hacking the modems for quite a while now, you can steal internet service from cable providers and at the same time uncapp your modem, I think the maximum you can get is 12mbps in Scarborough. Plus you don't get bandwidth limitations.

The only think is that I don't know if Rogers can trace you.

[robattoronto]

Of course they can trace you. There's no doubt about it. And if you're doing 12mbps, that connection will stick out like a sore thumb on their server side.


Rogers switched to the DOCSIS modems 2 years ago. t*n*s* has been hacking the modems for quite a while now, you can steal internet service from cable providers and at the same time uncapp your modem, I think the maximum you can get is 12mbps in Scarborough. Plus you don't get bandwidth limitations.

The only think is that I don't know if Rogers can trace you.

[Traian2003]

Of course they can trace you. There's no doubt about it. And if you're doing 12mbps, that connection will stick out like a sore thumb on their server side.
I dont know if they would be able to trace it to a specific house. The area? For sure!
The way I think Rogers has their system built: Rogers uses the com. boxes as hubs or siwtches, and can they pull as many lines as they wish from it. No line is directly associated with a specific house. I think this because they actually need to use those boxes outside your house to block channels and limit service.

The way the track the bandwidth is through the users' IPs. Since the DHCP server releases an IP to the modem, then Rogers would see that model num: xxxxx with MAC addy: yy:yy:yy:yy:yy:yy:yy:yy from Local Box #zzzzzz uses 10TB of bandwidth a month. But they do not know exactly where that modem lies.

It is for that reason that if you clone a Modem's mac address then if you move it to another house it would work (not at the same time but will validate one at a time).

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[poppa]

don't do it! Just wait a while longer for your download, or give another 20 years before fibre starts rolling into our streets. Is downloading/uploading faster really worth jail time?

[Traian2003]

don't do it! Just wait a while longer for your download, or give another 20 years before fibre starts rolling into our streets. Is downloading/uploading faster really worth jail time?
I don't think anyone here is interested in stealing the service. But wonders how the guy does it.

[divx]

the omni directional antenna probably work better

[PrimoTurbo]

Does Rogers not use any login information? Seems really stupid if they only keep track of people by the assignment of their ip if that is the case.

I remember a while ago they used to have boxes to crack tmn/pay per view movies, however this was the case because the signals were always incoming scrambled so if you descrambled it then you get free channels. However since cable isn’t just broadcasted and you actually send information and have requests and such theoretically it shouldn’t be hard to trace anything. Besides the moral problems, why risk a fine/jail time for $50 a month?

[Menace]

Of course they can. They trace the mac address of modem, not the ip address.


I dont know if they would be able to trace it to a specific house. The area? For sure!
The way I think Rogers has their system built:

[nfs2]

I think they trace the mac address of your nic, not your modem. You need to register your nic with rogers before they allow you access. That why if you use a router, you have to clone the mac of your nic before you can get online. If you change the mac in your nic, you are re-directed to a rogers page to register the new mac to your account.

Thats how they will trace you

[Traian2003]

Of course they can. They trace the mac address of modem, not the ip address.

So how is the mac treaceable to a specific house or person? :confused:


I think they trace the mac address of your nic, not your modem. You need to register your nic with rogers before they allow you access. That why if you use a router, you have to clone the mac of your nic before you can get online. If you change the mac in your nic, you are re-directed to a rogers page to register the new mac to your account.

I switched the cable from the modem to a new computer, new router and almost 3 different laptops and never had to do a mac clone or anything to my nics! :confused: Nor did i have to go to a Rogers signup page.

[Menace]

Your cable modem has to be registered with Rogers in order to work. Now go tell the world how Rogers would know your modem.

When you call Rogers for help, the tech knows everything about your account in no time.


So how is the mac treaceable to a specific house or person? :confused:

[gman]

I think they trace the mac address of your nic, not your modem. You need to register your nic with rogers before they allow you access. That why if you use a router, you have to clone the mac of your nic before you can get online. If you change the mac in your nic, you are re-directed to a rogers page to register the new mac to your account.

Thats how they will trace you

No, you don't register the mac address of your nic. You don't need to clone anything. Even if you want to register your mac to Rogers, you can't. I deal with home cable and business cable. The mac address of nic connecting to the modem does not affect anything except the external name of your IP.

Rogers knows your nic mac address though.

If you do a reverse lookup of your IP, you will get something like this:

CPE0013106dde87-CM000fef7c5cb9.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com

One of them is the mac address of your modem and one of them is the mac address of the NIC connecting to the modem.

[gman]

So how is the mac treaceable to a specific house or person? :confused:


Both IP and mac address are traceable if you have the will and right equipment.

[JAC]

1. I fail to see how an unregistered connection could not be detected and therefore immediately disconnected.

2. If they can trace it to the com box, they can eliminate certainly identify the line it's using, if only by process of elimination. Bang, you're busted.

[PrimoTurbo]

Can someone who actually knows and is not speculating please describe how Rogers authorizes you? I’m just wondering because it seems odd they don’t have sign in type of procedure like Sympatico, I’ve haven’t had cable internet yet only DSL and dial up so I don’t know.

[gman]

Can someone who actually knows and is not speculating please describe how Rogers authorizes you? I’m just wondering because it seems odd they don’t have sign in type of procedure like Sympatico, I’ve haven’t had cable internet yet only DSL and dial up so I don’t know.

The cable modem has a mac address and some kind of id. The mac address means nothing before the TCP/IP link is established. That is it needs to talk 'cable' first.

When the tech comes in to install the modem, they need to call Rogers and tell them where they are (e.g. your home address), and the identity of the modem. Then, Rogers activates the link to the modem.

When you cancel the internet service, they just disconnect the link. Your 'identity' is built in the modem. Hence, you don't need the sign in procedure to 'identify' it is you.

[nfs2]

No, you don't register the mac address of your nic. You don't need to clone anything. Even if you want to register your mac to Rogers, you can't. I deal with home cable and business cable. The mac address of nic connecting to the modem does not affect anything except the external name of your IP.

Rogers knows your nic mac address though.

If you do a reverse lookup of your IP, you will get something like this:

CPE0013106dde87-CM000fef7c5cb9.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com

One of them is the mac address of your modem and one of them is the mac address of the NIC connecting to the modem.

Maybe "register" was a bad choice of words. You dont actually have to do anything, it's not like you have to call them up, or fill out a registration form.

All i know is i can only use the mac of my computers nic cloned to my router. If i try to use any other mac, either from a laptop (which i just tried) or from my router's origional ip, im not issued an ip.

When i did it before, it took me to a rogers page that said "please wait while we authorise.. something or other" it was a while ago and didnt happen when i tried now.

[Jeff146]

I don't know what this person is up to but he's making profit from this by using services offered by a company .. even though Rogers is not that good of a company to begin with, people should not steal any of their services. What's bad is this guy profits from stealing the Rogers service and guess who will get in trouble if someone gets caught, the person that is stealing internet.

I'm sure there probably tools on the net to hack the modem so that it can work (I'm sure this is where he got all the info) and he's using it to make a tidy profit, in which he doesn't do anything at all.

People should not trust this guy, if you really wanted to hack just do it yourself.

BTW this topic I believe should be closed because the legality of it is on the borderline.

[Mr Nobody]

Wireless router + neighbour's unsecured wireless network = free internet. :)

[SmartBen]

All i know is i can only use the mac of my computers nic cloned to my router. If i try to use any other mac, either from a laptop (which i just tried) or from my router's origional ip, im not issued an ip.



Have you rebooted both the modem and your pc (I don't think PC reboot is needed, but there is no harm..)when you try that? It is a required step for modem to connect to your new 'device'(PC or router or laptop alike.).

[nfs2]

Have you rebooted both the modem and your pc (I don't think PC reboot is needed, but there is no harm..)when you try that? It is a required step for modem to connect to your new 'device'(PC or router or laptop alike.).


Nope i hadn't done that.. I just tried and it worked

*makes homer simpson-like "doh" sound*

[gman]

Nope i hadn't done that.. I just tried and it worked

*makes homer simpson-like "doh" sound*

Yes, as he said, you need to turn off your modem for about 2 minutes (may be shorter but for the safe side, 2 minutes) so that your modem won't remember the mac address of the 'previous' device. It does not hurt to turn off your router at the same time too.

[SmartBen]

Nope i hadn't done that.. I just tried and it worked

*makes homer simpson-like "doh" sound*

I remenber I was doing the same thing and then it hits me, what if my NIC card was fired? Does that means I need to 're-register' to roger each time? That's crazy!! Then my friend was telling me IF YOU DON'T WANT TO REBOOT YOUR MODEM, then you need to clone the mac address.. otherwise, you will be fine.

[Traian2003]

If you get a new sub is the link between the modem and the house activated (meaning from the box) or is the link from the box to the street activated?

This modem is not the best thing to happen to Rogers customers. The problem is that Rogers' network is more of a local network therefore, the modem is the link that denies you access to the other computers in your area. This "hacked" modems will allow you to connect to other people's modems and with a bit of knowledge you could connect past that :mad:.

[Venom]

http://toronto.craigslist.org/sys/150257797.html

[danfromwaterloo]

IITGTBTIPI

(If its too good to be true it probably is)

[mahpoaht]

The poster said demo is available, did anyone try that?

[thelefteyeguy]

....i didnt know $250 = Free

[charger]

Here's how cable modems work. When you buy or rent the modem from rogers/shaw they register the MAC address of the modem as well as the permanent electronic serial number. The modem then connects into the network and upon verification with the rogers office gets assigned an IP address and voila internet.

Now, if you stopped paying your cable bill what would happen is they would flag your modems MAC and ESN and deny it the access to get an IP address.

There are also neighborhood relays that verify the modems, so if you move to another part of the city the modem may not work.

This knowledge is about 3 years old, but I am sure that it is still fairly relevent.

So if you buy this modem, it will simply not work. And if it does, it won't work for long because it is a stolen modem.

[computer01]

All very true except for possibly the last part.

One way or another, this guy has cable modems that are registered in Rogers' pool.

One possibility is that the modems are stolen from residences while they are active. This seems unlikely though, as they would be deactivated fairly quickly. (As soon as the homeowner reported the theft.)

The more likely scenario is that this guy either works for Rogers, is a sub-contractor for Rogers, or has a co-conspirator who is one of the previous two. Either steal the modems from the thousands that Rogers has, or buy them used from eBay, or take older modems that are scheduled for destruction and then - and this is key - register them as active modems in the pool.

As long as one has access to the Rogers servers to add the modem to the pool, this is an easy scam to pull off. Knowing how many ISPs are organized, it could be years before they notice. It could also be days - and it wouldn't take long to isolate where the modem was located.

Steer clear of this.


Here's how cable modems work. When you buy or rent the modem from rogers/shaw they register the MAC address of the modem as well as the permanent electronic serial number. The modem then connects into the network and upon verification with the rogers office gets assigned an IP address and voila internet.

Now, if you stopped paying your cable bill what would happen is they would flag your modems MAC and ESN and deny it the access to get an IP address.

There are also neighborhood relays that verify the modems, so if you move to another part of the city the modem may not work.

This knowledge is about 3 years old, but I am sure that it is still fairly relevent.

So if you buy this modem, it will simply not work. And if it does, it won't work for long because it is a stolen modem.

[Narci]

If the Modem has a MAC address, Can the person clone the MAC address of a working cable modem and re-use that modem's active MAC address into 2,3,4+ other modems?

[Menace]

Rogers would see a load of duplicate legit MAC addresses. What do you think they would do? Nothing?


If the Modem has a MAC address, Can the person clone the MAC address of a working cable modem and re-use that modem's active MAC address into 2,3,4+ other modems?

[SmartBen]

If the Modem has a MAC address, Can the person clone the MAC address of a working cable modem and re-use that modem's active MAC address into 2,3,4+ other modems?

I don't think it only depends on MAC address. What Charger saying makes more sense.. (At least that's what I need to do when my roger rental modem was fired. I need to call them up and gave them the other number on the new modem)


Here's how cable modems work. When you buy or rent the modem from rogers/shaw they register the MAC address of the modem as well as the permanent electronic serial number. The modem then connects into the network and upon verification with the rogers office gets assigned an IP address and voila internet.

Now, if you stopped paying your cable bill what would happen is they would flag your modems MAC and ESN and deny it the access to get an IP address.

And when they find out that you are stealing the internet connection, where can you hide? Any execuse you could use to get away? Or can they charge you at all? :?:

[dmdsoftware2]

Maybe "register" was a bad choice of words. You dont actually have to do anything, it's not like you have to call them up, or fill out a registration form.

All i know is i can only use the mac of my computers nic cloned to my router. If i try to use any other mac, either from a laptop (which i just tried) or from my router's origional ip, im not issued an ip.

When i did it before, it took me to a rogers page that said "please wait while we authorise.. something or other" it was a while ago and didnt happen when i tried now.
No No No.

You are confused.

In the olden days with the old LANCity modems, the modems could easily handle unplugging of one nic and plugging in another. The MAC address changes and the modem has to try to renew an IP. Because the IPs are assigned by MAC address, the IP would change.

With the new modems, when you switch the nic that is connected to a modem, the new modems get confused and do not attempt to renew an IP. Result is a dead connection and if you try to connect, you may get some Rogers request to authenticate your modem page. It's a bug.

Unplug the modem and replug in. Viola. It renews an IP for your new MAC.

[dmdsoftware2]

Rogers would see a load of duplicate legit MAC addresses. What do you think they would do? Nothing?

You cannot have two identical MAC addresses on any connection. If you do, one of them gets disconnected when the second attempts to renew the IP.

[Unknown]

Hello, yes it is me who advertises the \\\"too goo to be true\\\" deal.

In fact, I am not scamming anyone, I am offering a service which most of you may call theft of service, but so is satellite. My services have been operating for 5 years and nothing has been changed. The only downfall was what happed during christmas which was Rogers supposedly upgraded to Docsis 1.1. That still didnt stop me from doing what Im doing.

My service is legit which means I offer what I advertise, and it may or may not be illegal but thats up to me to decide. I dont scam anyone and yes its free. I charge for the service, the modem itself, the programming and a 3 months guarantee.

What Im really disappointed about is these people ranting about how its jail time and rogers can detect it. Thats complete utter bullsh*t. Yes if they have the motive to track someone down Im sure they can, and all they do is possibly track it to the node, but not to the specific house. And yes its cloning off a mac adress, as long as the subscriber is online, so will my clients, and the chances of a subscriber cancelling their services is very slim.

ROGERS does not do mac filtering, they cannot detect clone macs because the macs are being used in diff parts of the province. I myself use addresses from all over ontario. And I deal with other cable providers aswell.

In all fairness, this is just as illegal as satellite, THEFT is THEFT in theory and it doesnt matter if its with television or internet, why make this such a drama for everyone. Whoever wants to believe me then do that, Everyone who has messaged me I have provided them with my telephone number, a chance to see the unit working and a 3 months gurantee. Simply email me and I will give you my contact information I have nothing to hide.

Anyone who is interested please email me (akritondss AT Hotmail DOT com)

[ProfessorChaos]

lol is this some kind of joke? "i have one of the best lawyers representing me" too bad rogers won't sue you...they would sue the 'subscriber' and then you would probably run as far away to mexico as you could.

[Unknown]

Well why is it taking them 5 years+ to come up with a resolution then, I offer whats there to be offered. I look at it as a way of exploiting technology, and getting paid for it :p

[Traian2003]

Hello, yes it is me who advertises the \\\"too goo to be true\\\" deal.

In fact, I am not scamming anyone, I am offering a service which most of you may call theft of service, but so is satellite. My services have been operating for 5 years and nothing has been changed. The only downfall was what happed during christmas which was Rogers supposedly upgraded to Docsis 1.1. That still didnt stop me from doing what Im doing.

My service is legit which means I offer what I advertise, and it may or may not be illegal but thats up to me to decide. I dont scam anyone and yes its free. I charge for the service, the modem itself, the programming and a 3 months guarantee.

What Im really disappointed about is these people ranting about how its jail time and rogers can detect it. Thats complete utter bullsh*t. Yes if they have the motive to track someone down Im sure they can, and all they do is possibly track it to the node, but not to the specific house. And yes its cloning off a mac adress, as long as the subscriber is online, so will my clients, and the chances of a subscriber cancelling their services is very slim.

ROGERS does not do mac filtering, they cannot detect clone macs because the macs are being used in diff parts of the province. I myself use addresses from all over ontario. And I deal with other cable providers aswell.

In all fairness, this is just as illegal as satellite, THEFT is THEFT in theory and it doesnt matter if its with television or internet, why make this such a drama for everyone. Whoever wants to believe me then do that, Everyone who has messaged me I have provided them with my telephone number, a chance to see the unit working and a 3 months gurantee. Simply email me and I will give you my contact information I have nothing to hide.

Anyone who is interested please email me (akritondss AT Hotmail DOT com)


Intersting... very interesting.... :|