Al Qaida Targetting Canada

[FastFokker]

Well here we go.. anybody guess where an attack will occur, how soon or what method of an attack would be likely?

Al Qaida assault on Canada 'probable,' warns CSIS
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=6ffacd9f-f672-45e3-a199-07d8bd10ec33&k=22163

OTTAWA -- While the threat from al-Qaida remains strongest overseas, a terrorist attack on Canadian soil is "now probable,'' the head of Canada's spy agency has quietly advised the government.America makes a great little fighting machine called Al Queda, it winds up biting them on 9/11, they wage a "war" in retaliation and then hand the fight over to us Canadians... It does seem probable we will be the next to get bit by the mad dog.

Congratulations to us.

[that_staples_guy]

lol now Harper's gonna create a little threat level meter for us too.

[FastFokker]

lol now Harper's gonna create a little threat level meter for us too.Too late man, he made one during the elections!


http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3125/security7ec.jpg

:D But seriously... I wonder how Canadians are going to react when we're finally the target of "terrorists."

[that_staples_guy]

holy crap that's funny, that's definetly going into my pictures folder!

[FearSonic]

Too late man, he made one during the elections!


http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3125/security7ec.jpg

:D But seriously... I wonder how Canadians are going to react when we're finally the target of "terrorists."

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I put that on my phone to show people. =P

[B40]

Why is Elmo the most dangerous? And Ernie and Bert below him? I know they're colour coordinated, but you would think Oscar or Cookie Monster would be more dangerous than Elmo or the two gay guys.

[Crotchety Old Man]

Why is Elmo the most dangerous? And Ernie and Bert below him? I know they're colour coordinated, but you would think Oscar or Cookie Monster would be more dangerous than Elmo or the two gay guys.
Can you say "over-analysis"?

I knew ya could.

[B40]

Can you say "over-analysis"?

I knew ya could.

Seriously though, you would think a shady character who hangs out in garbage cans would be more dangerous than a fun, lovable Elmo or the two gay guys...

[FastFokker]

The enemy is always the one you least expect.

Oscar's a grouch, but he's harmless. Now Tickle-Him Elmo.. that guy is just plotting something big, and I'm on to him!

[B40]

The enemy is always the one you least expect.

Oscar's a grouch, but he's harmless. Now Tickle-Him Elmo.. that guy is just plotting something big, and I'm on to him!

Oh ok, I understand now... plus he's always giggling and telling you to tickle him. Who knows one of these times he might have some bombs strapped to him :|

[Crotchety Old Man]

Oh ok, I understand now... plus he's always giggling and telling you to tickle him. Who knows one of these times he might have some bombs strapped to him :|
Exactly.

Ha, ha, BOOM.

[StrayB]

Why is Elmo the most dangerous?

http://elmoknowswhereyoulive.ytmnd.com/

[Rehan]

Seriously though, you would think a shady character who hangs out in garbage cans would be more dangerous than a fun, lovable Elmo or the two gay guys... It should be quite clear from Harper's stance on issue why he would consider Ernie and Bert 'dangerous'.

[najibs]

I think that article is all a hoax. Bush and his staff warning Canada that they are at danger, so that we can support their war on terror.

If someone is going to carry out a terrorist attack, why the heck would they do it in Canada, where the ethnic backgrounds are so diverse? It doesn't make sense. Canada is a pacifist country.

I think if an attack is planned for somewhere in North America, it's the Americans they'd wanna get, not the Canadians.

[rc51]

If someone is going to carry out a terrorist attack, why the heck would they do it in Canada, where the ethnic backgrounds are so diverse? It doesn't make sense. Canada is a pacifist country.



I think if an attack is planned for somewhere in North America, it's the Americans they'd wanna get, not the Canadians.

How are we anyMORE diverse than the US???

I would think the extremists don't or can't differentiate from the US or Canada, or anyone else in the so called "WEST". We're all the same to them.

[Rehan]

I would think the extremists don't or can't differentiate from the US or Canada, or anyone else in the so called "WEST". We're all the same to them. http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266086

[FastFokker]

I wouldn't be surprised whatsoever if we were "attacked".. be it by "Al Queda", some other pissed off group.. or most likely, by something funded directly by the CIA (or another US Agency).

Either it would scare people into pushing politicians to reduce our ambitions.. or it would scare people into joining the US with their ambitions.

[Crotchety Old Man]

I wouldn't be surprised whatsoever if we were "attacked".. be it by "Al Queda", some other pissed off group.. or most likely, but something funded directly by the CIA (or another US Agency).

Either it would scare people into pushing politicians to reduce our ambitions.. or it would scare people into joining the US with their ambitions.
The "or" in your original post is redundant.

[FastFokker]

The "or" in your original post is redundant.Not following you, but I see a mistake in the post.

Corrected.

[plymouthhater]

Nice to see that finally some institutions are beginning to take the threat seriously.

TTC has started a programme of eliminating regular garbage and recycling bins for see thru plastic bag holders.

I remember being in Israel back in the 80's and getting so used to having my camera bag checked every time I entered a building - that when I got home and a bunch of us went to Ontario Place to see a concert at the Forum, that I handed my bag to an OPP COP standing at the gate. He gave me a funny look and asked me what the Hell was I doing :)

I was in Washington DC last summer and every building of the Smithsonian and the Holocaust Museum do an airport type search upon entering the building.

Canada's Wonderland has metal detectors now as well (have had them for a couple of years) but that's due to a couple of idiot gang bangers having a shoot out in the parking lot as opposed to a fear of terrorism.

[konfusion666]

Canada's Wonderland has metal detectors now as well (have had them for a couple of years) but that's due to a couple of idiot gang bangers having a shoot out in the parking lot as opposed to a fear of terrorism.

.... and "a couple of idiot gang bangers having a shoot out" is a far more likely danger to the average Torontonian/suburbian than some sort of terrorist attack.

[Blunt]

Vancouver should be a more likely target than Toronto...

Olympics, Mr.Terrorist.

[FastFokker]

Well if I had motives, I'd probably aim for gassing, or some kind of release, in the Toronto subway.

The Olympics aren't until 2010.

[Blunt]

Blow up the Olympic buildings before hand..
That would hurt Canadian pride, besides
gassing Toronto would only make the rest of the country cheer.

[asim99]

gassing Toronto would only make the rest of the country cheer.
:cheesygri

[xKagex]

The "or" in your original post is redundant.

I hear ya: terrorist groups are funded by the people with the most to gain. The muslim nations aren't gaining anything from groups like Al Queda, and therefore logic would dictate that they're not the ones sponsoring terrorism.

Since I can't think of anyone who would benefit from terrorizing the 'breadbasket of the world' (except maybe our fearless leader), I am not too worried.

[john widow]

Canadians gonna be outraged and say "it's time for war" then we will fully support an army and get millions of dudes to go in another country and just do horrible things to their country... I wish the terrorists would say to themselves, Canada is a good place, let's leave it alone and not do anything bad.

[Rehan]

I wish the terrorists would say to themselves, Canada is a good place, let's leave it alone and not do anything bad. The terrorists' objection is not to the place itself, but to what people from that place are doing against them.

[poedua]

How are we anyMORE diverse than the US???

I would think the extremists don't or can't differentiate from the US or Canada, or anyone else in the so called "WEST". We're all the same to them.

Bin laden cited us...in an alleged tape of his.......from the BBC



"What do your governments want from their alliance with America in attacking us in Afghanistan? I mention in particular Britain, France, Italy, Canada, Germany and Australia ".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2827659.stm

[xKagex]

The terrorists' objection is not to the place itself, but to what people from that place are doing against them.

I'm just curious, but what would you say to those people who suggest that terrorist just hate us because they are threatened by our Western Values?

(I'd direct them here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_rock_and_alternative_music) but I'm just curious if you know of other arguments).

[poedua]

I'm just curious, but what would you say to those people who suggest that terrorist just hate us because they are threatened by our Western Values?

(I'd direct them here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_rock_and_alternative_music) but I'm just curious if you know of other arguments).

I think that has some merit and at the very least represents a valid perspective / motivation ( of many possible ones ) to evaluate.

[Emancipated]

Most probable:

City: Toronto
Location: Union Station
Time: Monday morning rush-hour

Blood will be shed and we too get to have our own national day of mourning.

[hagbard]

If there are any terrorist attacks in Canada, I'll be looking at the US, not some fictional organization like "Al Quida".

[EscaBoi]

If there are any terrorist attacks in Canada, I'll be looking at the US, not some fictional organization like "Al Quida".
same...I can't help but think the same thing if Canada does end up getting attacked.

"did the US intentionally attack us, and make it look like it was the work of Al Quida so that we could be pissed off and share the grief of the Americas" that's what i'll be thinking to my self

[M@rk]

I'm not afraid. The government will just tap our phones and that way, we could all be safe :-0

[Rehan]

I'm just curious, but what would you say to those people who suggest that terrorist just hate us because they are threatened by our Western Values?

(I'd direct them here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_rock_and_alternative_music) but I'm just curious if you know of other arguments). That's not a very good argument, though... a bunch of guys who play music in Iran has nothing to do with bin Laden and his gang of loonies.

The al-Qaida terrorists are threatened by the imposition of "Western values" in Islamic countries... I don't think anyone can argue against that. But if you're asking about Bush's comment that "America was targeted for attack because we're the brightest beacon for freedom and opportunity in the world" then it's easy to shoot down that theory. Just look at the words of bin Laden (http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/why_do_they_hate_us.htm) over the last 10 years.

[fakishan]

probabbly going to hit Calgary first, and then something in Ontario but not Toronto.

[FastFokker]

What's in Calgary that is an easy target that will strike fear into the hearts of all Canadians? :confused:

[poppa]

probabbly going to hit Calgary first, and then something in Ontario but not Toronto.

Hockey Hall of Fame ;) ?

[xKagex]

That's not a very good argument, though... a bunch of guys who play music in Iran has nothing to do with bin Laden and his gang of loonies.

The al-Qaida terrorists are threatened by the imposition of "Western values" in Islamic countries... I don't think anyone can argue against that. But if you're asking about Bush's comment that "America was targeted for attack because we're the brightest beacon for freedom and opportunity in the world" then it's easy to shoot down that theory. Just look at the words of bin Laden (http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/why_do_they_hate_us.htm) over the last 10 years.


My argument was simply that Iran has become quite "westernized" in the last few years, which also includes more freedoms and opportunity (ie: the freedom to enjoy and create rock music, for instance). I suppose it wasn't a very good argument though. ;)

[xKagex]

What's in Calgary that is an easy target that will strike fear into the hearts of all Canadians? :confused:

Bush in the Calgary Stampede? Yee-Haw!!

[fakishan]

What's in Calgary that is an easy target that will strike fear into the hearts of all Canadians? :confused:
what makes you think it's going to be the same type of target as 9/11?

it can simply be a target of opportunity, and our media will do the terrorizing for them.

[hhh]

all jokes aside...where in Canada do you guys think Al Qaeda would attack? CN Tower? Rogers' Centre?

[Mr._Hankey]

Maybe now the government will finally realize the danger and start targeting the terrorist training camps and cells that al qaeda has established all over the country and of which nobody is aware.

[hagbard]

Boo!

[Rehan]

Maybe now the government will finally realize the danger and start targeting the terrorist training camps and cells that al qaeda has established all over the country and of which nobody is aware. Except you, right?

[Mr._Hankey]

Except you, right?

I read an article about that 3 years ago. Most people chose to ignore/forget, I didn't.

[Rehan]

I read an article about that 3 years ago. Most people chose to ignore/forget, I didn't. Do you choose to believe everything you read? If not, then what was so convincing about what you read?

[Mr._Hankey]

Do you choose to believe everything you read? If not, then what was so convincing about what you read?

I sort what I read. For instance, I don't believe a word of an article which has the smallest piece of opinion in it, or something that's clearly written for propaganda purposes and presents the POV of a certain body rather than mere facts and conclusions based upon them.
The article I read fell under that category so I found it convincing, mainly bacause:
a) It made sense
b) It was based on communications retrieved from internet forums used for correspondence between terrorist organizations (where, in most cases, news of terrorist attacks are published before the attack is actually executed)

[thug-life]

hope it aint gonna bomb the cn tower

[fakishan]

........
:lol: :lol: :lol:
who you trying to fool? you're full of shiz.

[xKagex]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
who you trying to fool? you're full of shiz.

if only t'were true.

[Mr._Hankey]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
who you trying to fool? you're full of shiz.
I don't expect you to believe.

I'll just provide a few links and let others decide on their own.
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=aa8696a1-5a53-40ca-868a-3c8f6009581c
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2583395.stm
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=5224
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1040872108286_15?s_name=&no_ads=
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.politics.usa.misc/browse_thread/thread/9b1feac30e2a23b/6b6e44fab87f87bb

You can find a lot more stuff thru google.

[xKagex]

I sort what I read. For instance, I don't believe a word of an article which has the smallest piece of opinion in it, or something that's clearly written for propaganda purposes and presents the POV of a certain body rather than mere facts and conclusions based upon them.
The article I read fell under that category so I found it convincing, mainly bacause:
a) It made sense
b) It was based on communications retrieved from internet forums used for correspondence between terrorist organizations (where, in most cases, news of terrorist attacks are published before the attack is actually executed)

Interpretation:

I believe everything that agrees with what the media and government tells me. The rest I call propaganda (everyone knows governments never stoop low enough to use propaganda).

The article was right because:
a) I agreed with it
b) terrorists hang out in forums (could you imagine? nothing would get done) and when they're not being leet h4x0rz, they're out suicide bombing stuff.

:)

[Mr._Hankey]

Interpretation:

I believe everything that agrees with what the media and government tells me. The rest I call propaganda (everyone knows governments never stoop low enough to use propaganda).

The article was right because:
a) I agreed with it
b) terrorists hang out in forums (could you imagine? nothing would get done) and when they're not being leet h4x0rz, they're out suicide bombing stuff.

:)

I don't watch TV and don't read papers/news websites. I get all my news thru news agencies and give my own interpretation to everything I read. Your argument failed but of course you'll claim otherwise.
As for the forums, if you're arab/know arabic you'd probably know where to look for these forums I'm referring to. You have to be really ignorant to deny their existence.
I'd post links but I don't keep em since I can't read arabic.

[hagbard]

I don't expect you to believe.

I'll just provide a few links and let others decide on their own.
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=aa8696a1-5a53-40ca-868a-3c8f6009581c
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2583395.stm
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=5224
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1040872108286_15?s_name=&no_ads=
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.politics.usa.misc/browse_thread/thread/9b1feac30e2a23b/6b6e44fab87f87bb

You can find a lot more stuff thru google.

Nope. Don't buy any of it. Same media that supported the War on Iraq, no credibility at all.

[Mr._Hankey]

Nope. Don't buy any of it. Same media that supported the War on Iraq, no credibility at all.

LOL
Canadian websites? BBC?
LOL

[hagbard]

LOL
Canadian websites? BBC?
LOL

BBC has only slightly more credibility than Fox News. Death to America!!....oh, sorry, it slipped out. :lol:

[FastFokker]

RFD should be a good example for people that forum users are all full of it. :lol:

Al Queda training camps in Canada? Good one. I mean, sure it's possible there are training camps, but Al Qaida Quida Queda is as elusive as the Tooth Fairy.

But "Mr. Hankey" would know about it, while the Government/Police/Military/Intelligence know nothing or do nothing.

Ahhhhhhh well.

[hagbard]

RFD should be a good example for people that forum users are all full of it. :lol:

Al Queda training camps in Canada? Good one. I mean, sure it's possible there are training camps, but Al Qaida Quida Queda is as elusive as the Tooth Fairy.

But "Mr. Hankey" would know about it, while the Government/Police/Military/Intelligence know nothing or do nothing.

Ahhhhhhh well.

No, he's right. The training camp is in my backyard. You bring the hotdogs, okay?

[FastFokker]

No, he's right. The training camp is in my backyard. You bring the hotdogs, okay?Dude, I thought we agreed all communications would be done through encrypted private messages! :mad:

I quit!

[Mr._Hankey]

BBC has only slightly more credibility than Fox News. Death to America!!....oh, sorry, it slipped out. :lol:

BBC is the most leftist mass media agency on earth. You always use it as your source whenever you bring your anti-Israeli/US articles.

Is it just me or are you finally running out of excuses?

[Mr._Hankey]

RFD should be a good example for people that forum users are all full of it. :lol:

Al Queda training camps in Canada? Good one. I mean, sure it's possible there are training camps, but Al Qaida Quida Queda is as elusive as the Tooth Fairy.

But "Mr. Hankey" would know about it, while the Government/Police/Military/Intelligence know nothing or do nothing.

Ahhhhhhh well.

Another pathetic comment by FastFokker

[wali]

Hey Guys Whats Going On Here

[FastFokker]

Another pathetic comment by FastFokkerSo put me on ignore, I won't lose any sleep over it. :lol:

You're the genius making absurd claims.. but "whatevz!"

[Mr._Hankey]

So put me on ignore, I won't lose any sleep over it. :lol:

You're the genius making absurd claims.. but "whatevz!"

Nah.. You make me laugh with your ignorance :lol:

[Rehan]

I'll just provide a few links and let others decide on their own.
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=aa8696a1-5a53-40ca-868a-3c8f6009581c
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2583395.stm
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=5224
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1040872108286_15?s_name=&no_ads=
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.politics.usa.misc/browse_thread/thread/9b1feac30e2a23b/6b6e44fab87f87bb

You can find a lot more stuff thru google. You realize that a handful of monitored or detained Canadian residents that have possibly trained with militants is a far stretch from what you posted before, right?

Maybe now the government will finally realize the danger and start targeting the terrorist training camps and cells that al qaeda has established all over the country and of which nobody is aware.

The closest to that is from the quoted WashingtonPost story that says:
"Al Qaeda has established cells in Canada whose members have the "capability and conviction" to support terrorist activities all across North America, according to Canadian intelligence officials."

But again, that's not even close to what you posted.

[Mr._Hankey]

You realize that a handful of monitored or detained Canadian residents that have possibly trained with militants is a far stretch from what you posted before, right?

As I said, I read that article 3 years ago and didn't save it, unfortunately.

[FastFokker]

I read something a few years ago about WMD's in Iraq...

Few people know about the WMD's in Iraq though.

But it's a proven fact because I sort what I read. :rolleyes:

[Rehan]

As I said, I read that article 3 years ago and didn't save it, unfortunately. If it was true, that information would be in more than just a single article three years ago. Sites like LGF, FrontPageMag and CCD would be all over it.

[Ojam]

As for the forums, if you're arab/know arabic you'd probably know where to look for these forums I'm referring to. You have to be really ignorant to deny their existence.
I'd post links but I don't keep em since I can't read arabic.

Does anybody else think this is possibly the absolute stupidest comment ever?

1.) He is assuming that somebody who is an Arab will automatically know where all these terrorist forums are. - BS

2.) He claims they are terrorist related, yet freely admits he doesn't read Arabic, so how would he know what they are saying?

[Mr._Hankey]

Does anybody else think this is possibly the absolute stupidest comment ever?

1.) He is assuming that somebody who is an Arab will automatically know where all these terrorist forums are. - BS

2.) He claims they are terrorist related, yet freely admits he doesn't read Arabic, so how would he know what they are saying?

What a stupid interpretation.
All I meant was that those who can write and read in arabic can easily search and find these forums.

I used translation and a friend who knows arabic well enough to be able to interpret correctly.

[konfusion666]

As for the forums, if you're arab/know arabic you'd probably know where to look for these forums I'm referring to. You have to be really ignorant to deny their existence.
I'd post links but I don't keep em since I can't read arabic.

Racist BS. Why don't you just come out and say what you really feel about those of "us" who are on the "other side" - including some or all of RFD's moderators? Please, say it out loud, we know you're thinking it.
Then you can get banned and we won't have to waste time reading your stupid messages. ;)

[FastFokker]

Is this a threat?I never thought *I* would say this... :lol: but you gotta get out more!

Damn I crack me up. :lol:

Maybe if you got out more, you'd also notice there are no Al Qaida training camps.

[Mr._Hankey]

Racist BS. Why don't you just come out and say what you really feel about those of "us" who are on the "other side" - including some or all of RFD's moderators? Please, say it out loud, we know you're thinking it.
Then you can get banned and we won't have to waste time reading your stupid messages. ;)
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3278028&postcount=73
>:( for you

[konfusion666]

Is this a threat?

What, your Terroristo-Detecto-Meter didn't pick him up? Well to be safe, better call your bed-buddies at the NSA and call down a few nukes on Halifax.
Just call it a "pre-emptive strike" and you'll be fine.

[konfusion666]

Maybe if you got out more, you'd also notice there are no Al Qaida training camps.

Maybe he walked past an Al-Gebra Training Academy and got his letters mixed up. Young children working on mathematics exercise can be really scary to some people.

[relativity]

What a stupid interpretation.
All I meant was that those who can write and read in arabic can easily search and find these forums.

I used translation and a friend who knows arabic well enough to be able to interpret correctly.

Okay, so why didn't you save the page anyway? You could've saved the translated version. It would be convenient to keep it handy in case you want to ask your friend to translate it for you again.

I think all of this is just FUD, and to generalize that all arabic people have some connection to Al Qaeda is narrow minded. Saying that is the same as saying all caucasian people are connected to the KKK.

[Ojam]

What a stupid interpretation.
All I meant was that those who can write and read in arabic can easily search and find these forums.

Well thats not what you said, you said. Anybody could search for them, but searching for them and


As for the forums, if you're arab/know arabic you'd probably know where to look for these forums I'm referring to.

Knowing where to look and searching are two different things. If I knew where to look for gold, I'd be rich, I could search everywhere, but that doesn't mean I'm going to find anything.



I used translation and a friend who knows arabic well enough to be able to interpret correctly.

Sure.

[Mr._Hankey]

Okay, so why didn't you save the page anyway? You could've saved the translated version. It would be convenient to keep it handy in case you want to ask your friend to translate it for you again.

I wasn't really interested in forums back then and never thought I'd ever start writing in one. I now realize it was a mistake:/


I think all of this is just FUD, and to generalize that all arabic people have some connection to Al Qaeda is narrow minded. Saying that is the same as saying all caucasian people are connected to the KKK.
You misunderstood.

[Mr._Hankey]

Well thats not what you said, you said. Anybody could search for them, but searching for them and



Knowing where to look and searching are two different things. If I knew where to look for gold, I'd be rich, I could search everywhere, but that doesn't mean I'm going to find anything.



Sure.

Google is a good place to start. Once you reach the regular terrorism-associated content, you can find just about anything you want. If you know arabic that is.
I'd search by myself but I failed my grades 7-9 arabic courses.

[Casanova]

I sort what I read. For instance, I don't believe a word of an article which has the smallest piece of opinion in it, or something that's clearly written for propaganda purposes and presents the POV of a certain body rather than mere facts and conclusions based upon them.


propaganda, you seem to be familiar with the term :lol:

[poedua]

I never thought *I* would say this... :lol: but you gotta get out more!

Damn I crack me up. :lol:

Maybe if you got out more, you'd also notice there are no Al Qaida training camps.

FastFokker is banned ????

Why ?

[relativity]

You misunderstood.

Care to explain? You cannot make such a statement and not back up your arguments.

[Rehan]

FastFokker is banned ????

Why ? Because of some comments he made earlier in this thread (that I have since deleted). Temp ban.

[poedua]

Okay, so why didn't you save the page anyway? You could've saved the translated version. It would be convenient to keep it handy in case you want to ask your friend to translate it for you again.

I think all of this is just FUD, and to generalize that all arabic people have some connection to Al Qaeda is narrow minded. Saying that is the same as saying all caucasian people are connected to the KKK.

Or generalizations by a select few that all Americans are stupid and / or evil.

[Casanova]

Maybe now the government will finally realize the danger and start targeting the terrorist training camps and cells that al qaeda has established all over the country and of which nobody is aware.

Thank God you are on top of things! call 911 and let them know about the camps :twisted:

[Mr._Hankey]

Care to explain? You cannot make such a statement and not back up your arguments.

Read my previous posts.
Just to add, I never generalize since some of my friends are arab. In fact, each of them is probably more intelligent than most of the buffoons here altogether.

[Casanova]

Care to explain? You cannot make such a statement and not back up your arguments.
yes he can, it is called FUD

[poedua]

Because of some comments he made earlier in this thread (that I have since deleted). Temp ban.

Thanks

[Ferman]

Because of some comments he made earlier in this thread (that I have since deleted). Temp ban.

I think he should be banned from his avatar pic alone.. maybe I should use that cartoon depiction of prophet mohammed as an avatar..

[Casanova]

I think he should be banned from his avatar pic alone.. maybe I should use that cartoon depiction of profit mohammed as an avatar..
maybe you should, after taking some spelling classes.

[Ojam]

I think he should be banned from his avatar pic alone.. maybe I should use that cartoon depiction of profit mohammed as an avatar..

yeah, and while we are at it, lets ban all free speech. I hate having people be able to say what they want all the time.

[Wulf]

maybe you should, after taking some spelling classes.

If everyone was banned for improper spelling there wouldn't be many poeple left here...

[poedua]

If everyone was banned for improper spelling there wouldn't be many poeple left here...

gud one !

[konfusion666]

I think he should be banned from his avatar pic alone.. maybe I should use that cartoon depiction of profit mohammed as an avatar..

Or maybe you should be banned for calling Moderator Rehan "another terrorist-supporting Mod" on the chat channel.

[Casanova]

If everyone was banned for improper spelling there wouldn't be many poeple left here...
I wasn't talking about banning, re-read maybe you'll get it.

[Rehan]

Or maybe you should be banned for calling Moderator Rehan "another terrorist-supporting Mod" on the chat channel. Is this where I am supposed to be shocked? I did end up seeing what Ferman was writing in the chat and the usernames he chose... ;)

[Ferman]

yeah, and while we are at it, lets ban all free speech. I hate having people be able to say what they want all the time.

Ok, I agree with free speech. When I find an appropriate pic of mohammed, It WILL be my avatar.

[Ferman]

Is this where I am supposed to be shocked? I did end up seeing what Ferman was writing in the chat and the usernames he chose... ;)

How does anyone know that it really was me there? Anyone can pick any name they want there!

Even so, that chat place is not RFD domain, so it is irrelevant.

[konfusion666]

Is this where I am supposed to be shocked? I did end up seeing what Ferman was writing in the chat and the usernames he chose... ;)

Well just as long as it wasn't YOU posting as him, then we're all good... :lol:

[Rehan]

How does anyone know that it really was me there? Anyone can pick anyname they want there! It's a moot point anyway, because we can't ban anyone based on what happens outside of RFD. But there's no need to hide/deny anything... people's posting history (including from their previous usernames) are a half decent record of their views anyway. :)

[Ferman]

It's a moot point anyway, because we can't ban anyone based on what happens outside of RFD. But there's no need to hide/deny anything... people's posting history (including from their previous usernames) are a half decent record of their views anyway. :)

Exactly. Even if there is so much free time in one's life that they monitor what happens outside of their sphere of influence... its a moot point.

[Casanova]

Exactly.
I will assume that you took those spelling classes?

[Wulf]

I wasn't talking about banning, re-read maybe you'll get it.

Yeah my misinterpretation... LOL spelling lessons fwwwaaaahhhh... to quote from an earlier thread of yours... "hilareous and funny as hell"

[xKagex]

I think he should be banned from his avatar pic alone.. maybe I should use that cartoon depiction of prophet mohammed as an avatar..

Two wrongs make a right? Hmm, this is going to change everything!!

[Ferman]

I will assume that you took those spelling classes?
No.

[Ferman]

Two wrongs make a right? Hmm, this is going to change everything!!

I guess we'll see.

[Ojam]

I guess we'll see.

What you fail to realize is people already complained about his avatar of alien Jesus, and he did change it. I don’t know who would be so silly to complain about such a stupid thing, or if he removed it himself or the mods asked him too. I don’t see what was so wrong about Alien Jesus. Just searching Google for Alien Jesus turns up people actually believe he was an alien, and believe there are connections to the bible and UFOs. I don’t see how these beliefs are any less valid then somebody who believes he could walk on water. It seems as if the person who complained was simply discriminating against what could be fokkers religion or belief system out of ignorance.

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[hagbard]

I'm hagbard celine, haha

[Rehan]

I think he should be banned from his avatar pic alone.. What's wrong with the Jesus depiction in FastFokker's current avatar? :confused:
He had one yesterday with Jesus turning green and looking like an alien... he was told to remove that, and he replaced it with his current avatar.

[Ferman]

What's wrong with the Jesus depiction in FastFokker's current avatar? :confused:
He had one yesterday with Jesus turning green and looking like an alien... he was told to remove that, and he replaced it with his current avatar.

I think his avatar is just as offensive to Catholics, as my mohammed avatar was to Mulsims.

[Rehan]

I think his avatar is just as offensive to Catholics, as my mohammed avatar was to Mulsims. Why? In what way is it offensive to Catholics? (BTW, when I PM'd FastFokker to change his avatar, in his reply he said he's Catholic).

I know you know that the Muhammad avatar was offensive to Muslims.

[xKagex]

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."

Then again, I see these images in every Catholic's home.

[Ojam]

I think his avatar is just as offensive to Catholics, as my mohammed avatar was to Mulsims.

Do you even know WHY your avatar might have been offensive?

[Ferman]

What's wrong with the Jesus depiction in FastFokker's current avatar? :confused:
He had one yesterday with Jesus turning green and looking like an alien... he was told to remove that, and he replaced it with his current avatar.

And if I was asked to remove my avatar, I also would have.. instead it was done for me.

Double standard if you ask me.

[poedua]

And if I was asked to remove my avatar, I also would have.. instead it was done for me.

Double standard if you ask me.

I always thought one of the cornerstones of free speech was the the fact that you had the freedom to express yourself even if it's vulgar ( i.e in bad taste) or profane - thought i concede RFD rules are more stringent . I thought the "right " protected speech .......no matter how offensive it was.

The exceptions of course if the speech knowlingly misrepresented facts ( i.e Holoucaust ) involved was pointedly defaming someone or thing, encouraged the breaking of laws, ...or was just plain obscene ( i.e porn ) - then I could see it being banned / censored.

I assume these avatars were considered either obscene or defaming in some way by the mods ...prompting their removal....not simply because some found them to be offensive. I could see a slippery slope issue in which every PM that a mod got on allegedly offesnive material could not be ignored. Reminds me of the debate on RFD about the allegedly offensive term " bible thomper " .

Interesting debate....one certainly brought to the fore by shows like South Park and Family Guy - who take shots at Christianity ( i.e God / Jesus ) all the time.

[Rehan]

And if I was asked to remove my avatar, I also would have.. instead it was done for me.

Double standard if you ask me. Each mod does things in their own way.
I was the one that PM'd FastFokker about his avatar, but I wasn't the one who deleted yours. I guess whoever deleted it decided it wasn't necessary to PM you and ask you to do it yourself.

[dealguy2]

I think that article is all a hoax. Bush and his staff warning Canada that they are at danger, so that we can support their war on terror.

If someone is going to carry out a terrorist attack, why the heck would they do it in Canada, where the ethnic backgrounds are so diverse? It doesn't make sense. Canada is a pacifist country.

I think if an attack is planned for somewhere in North America, it's the Americans they'd wanna get, not the Canadians.

What does diversity have to do with homicidal maniacs? Look these terrorists are not logical, normal people. They are killers. They cannot be negotiated with. They don't make any sense.

[Rehan]

Look these terrorists are not logical, normal people. They are killers. They cannot be negotiated with. They don't make any sense. If you don't try to understand their motives and what makes them tick, you've got little chance of defeating them. Some political leaders seem to have the same view as you, but I think there are others working on the right path.

[dealguy2]

If you don't try to understand their motives and what makes them tick, you've got little chance of defeating them.

And why is that?

[Crotchety Old Man]

And why is that?
Huh?! What??? Sorry, I wasn't paying attention. BTW, when's the next episode of American Idol?

[Crotchety Old Man]

What does diversity have to do with homicidal maniacs? Look these terrorists are not logical, normal people. They are killers. They cannot be negotiated with. They don't make any sense.
What's that - straight off the FOX News psychological assessment?

All humans are motivated by the same basic drives - sex/money/family.

[poedua]

What's that - straight off the FOX News psychological assessment?

All humans are motivated by the same basic drives - sex/money/family.

Maslow would agree. :)

[Crotchety Old Man]

Maslow would agree. :)
Tell your friend Maslow that it's okay if he uses my material.

[dealguy2]

What's that - straight off the FOX News psychological assessment?

All humans are motivated by the same basic drives - sex/money/family.

So tell me how these things drive the terrorists into murdering innocent people like you and me. Please explain.

[poedua]

Tell your friend Maslow that it's okay if he uses my material.

He's not a friend....I was referring to Abraham Maslow.

Maslow - A Theory of Human Motivation - Psych 101. :)

[afong56]

What does diversity have to do with homicidal maniacs? Look these terrorists are not logical, normal people. They are killers. They cannot be negotiated with. They don't make any sense.

imho, if one continues to believe that 'these terrorists are not logical, normal people', you are perpetuating a false stereotype and generalization. their motives and methods may not always be considered 'normal', but many are highly educated, methodical and logical. because their reasoning may not make sense to you, doesn't mean that they are without 'sense'.

furthermore, homicidal maniacs inhabit both sides of this debate, and of the conflict. let's not suggest that one side is wholly different from the other. we are really speaking of degrees of difference.

finally, to dismiss the other side in such a simplistic manner makes it much easier for them to promote their cause. painting the situation in black and white is a faulty approach.

[dealguy2]

imho, if one continues to believe that 'these terrorists are not logical, normal people', you are perpetuating a false stereotype and generalization. their motives and methods may not always be considered 'normal', but many are highly educated, methodical and logical. because their reasoning may not make sense to you, doesn't mean that they are without 'sense'.

furthermore, homicidal maniacs inhabit both sides of this debate, and of the conflict. let's not suggest that one side is wholly different from the other. we are really speaking of degrees of difference.

finally, to dismiss the other side in such a simplistic manner makes it much easier for them to promote their cause. painting the situation in black and white is a faulty approach.

Ok. Enlighten me. Show me how logical it is to blow up kids in schools. To fly airplanes into buildings full of office workers. To blow yourself on buses and trains. Show me the logic in this. If this is normal behaviour to you then it's time to see someone about that.

[Rehan]

Ok. Enlighten me. Show me how logical it is to blow up kids in schools. To fly airplanes into buildings full of office workers. To blow yourself on buses and trains. Show me the logic in this. Google is your friend.
http://www.google.ca/search?q=logic+suicide+bombers

[poedua]

Google is your friend.
http://www.google.ca/search?q=logic+suicide+bombers

Thanks, I checked out a few of the links.

This comment ( and I would question it's validity ) stuck out - mostly because I think it underscores the generalization the west has about these bombers.....



" Then there's the question of Islam. There may be non-Islamic suicide bombers, Gambetta writes. But ''we do not have even a single case of a non-Islamic faith justifying" suicide missions. "

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2005/07/03/why_do_suicide_bombers_do_it/?page=full

[Rehan]

Thanks, I checked out a few of the links.

This comment ( and I would question it's validity ) stuck out - mostly because I think it underscores the generalization the west has about these bombers.....


" Then there's the question of Islam. There may be non-Islamic suicide bombers, Gambetta writes. But ''we do not have even a single case of a non-Islamic faith justifying" suicide missions. " http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2005/07/03/why_do_suicide_bombers_do_it/?page=full Yeah, it seems like the others involved in suicide missions are only the types to do it for national or political causes rather than for their religion. (The al-Qaeda outlook is also very closely tied to politics.)

But I don't think that's the generalization that average Westerner has... many people these days seem to think that "we do not have even a single case of a non-Muslim justifying suicide missions" and miss the fact that there are non-Islamic suicide bombers. I'm sure you can see the difference between that and what you quoted.

[relativity]

Read my previous posts.
Just to add, I never generalize since some of my friends are arab. In fact, each of them is probably more intelligent than most of the buffoons here altogether.

How is that relevant to my question? Your point about having arabic friends is moot in the context of my question, as well as them being more intelligent than most of the "boffoons here altogether".

[webdoctors]

i doubt al queda will come here, except maybe to enjoy caribanna.

[Crotchety Old Man]

He's not a friend....I was referring to Abraham Maslow.

Maslow - A Theory of Human Motivation - Psych 101. :)
Okay, just to sum up what has been found to work with poedua:

Humour: Attempted - Failed.

Rationality: Attempted - Failed.


Any other suggested approaches would be most welcome.

[formalentity]

i doubt al queda will come here, except maybe to enjoy caribanna.

Agreed, And If they Do Im definatly going to assume that it is Because of the Americans :P lol, but my own opinion... :cheesygri

[devious9191]

The terrorists' objection is not to the place itself, but to what people from that place are doing against them.

Or rather 'what' the people are in the place, and the values that they hold.

[Rehan]

Or rather 'what' the people are in the place, and the values that they hold. :confused: Hardly.
Keep reading further along in the thread, like post #36.

[poedua]

Yeah, it seems like the others involved in suicide missions are only the types to do it for national or political causes rather than for their religion. (The al-Qaeda outlook is also very closely tied to politics.)

But I don't think that's the generalization that average Westerner has... many people these days seem to think that "we do not have even a single case of a non-Muslim justifying suicide missions" and miss the fact that there are non-Islamic suicide bombers. I'm sure you can see the difference between that and what you quoted.

As I said, I questioned the validity of the comment - I can see the difference.

[poedua]

Okay, just to sum up what has been found to work with poedua:

Humour: Attempted - Failed.

Rationality: Attempted - Failed.


Any other suggested approaches would be most welcome.

I would tend to agree with you. Your inability / failure to be humorous and rational is self-evident.

However, since you claim both approaches have been '"found to work" and also "failed" in the past - I'd simply suggest you just try and focus on remembering how you managed to achieve the former outcome. :)

[MkmBandit]

wow interesting thread.. Lots of opinions. Show of hands; who has seen fires in the middle of Shar E Faisal in karachi? Or Al Hamdi hospital being blown to shits in Muscat? Or the ruins of the elementary school they were taught in as a child? Lets keep our opinions civil, and remember that not all muslims are terrorists or associated with al-qaeda. kthx.