anti-terrorism hotline: when will you call?

[asim99]

i believe there is an anti-terrorism hotline available to call with tips...so my question is: what will make you call the hotline?

if anyone knows that number, we can put it here

[FastFokker]

I would never call it.

[Carpe Diem]

If you were to see some or thought to be terrorist activity, I would think a call to 911 would be OK...No?

[that_staples_guy]

What is the number? I have a few people in mind...

[FastFokker]

http://www.parl.gc.ca/38/1/parlbus/commbus/senate/Com-e/anti-e/08evc-e.htm?Language=E&Parl=38&Ses=1&comm_id=597

Something worth noting is an often not-acknowledged or under-acknowledged element of our package of counterterrorism initiatives since 2001, that is, a terrorism hotline. Of all the proposals I have heard from around the world, speaking frankly, this is perhaps one of the most asinine. The public received, in the mail, from the government hotline numbers. If an individual spotted someone he or she thought was a terrorist, the individual was urged to ring up and advise the authorities. After some 40,000 phone calls, there have been no arrests. All it has created is a sense of siege within the Islamic community. Local police are complaining that they are constantly being called out to visit homes that are holding legitimate Islamic religious functions. The hotline initiative to my mind has not achieved much, other than to empower the intelligence and security forces.

[konfusion666]

If you were to see some or thought to be terrorist activity, I would think a call to 911 would be OK...No?

what is terrorist activity?

a group of Arabs walking down your street, chattering in their native tongue? :confused:


Edit: Looks like what FF just posted proves me right.
People use the hotline to advise the cops of the presence of Muslims.
I wonder how many serious calls the cops were diverted from to visit a house of Pakistanis having a party.

[FastFokker]

If you aint WHITE, then you aint RIGHT! I'm callin the hotline! :evil:

[atforum]

What makes the govt think that I will be able to find out a plan that is being made my alqueda in afghan, or IRA in ireland or the terrorists in vancouver, or someone planning stuff from their house in downtown toronto?? I should either be a spy or a terrorist to know such stuff. :confused:

[Carpe Diem]

what is terrorist activity?

a group of Arabs walking down your street, chattering in their native tongue? :confused:


Edit: Looks like what FF just posted proves me right.
People use the hotline to advise the cops of the presence of Muslims.
I wonder how many serious calls the cops were diverted from to visit a house of Pakistanis having a party.



What do you think, A guy with crap belted to his waist holding a trigger. All is i am saying is if you see something 911 should do fine. :rolleyes:

And if i see a group of arabs walking down my street...I making a call to CISS. :razz:

[FastFokker]

And if i see a group of arabs walking down my street...I making a call to CISS. :razz:You should expand that, or else you might exclude a potential terrorist... :lol:

Just open it up to any not totally and utterly white people.

[Carpe Diem]

You should expand that, or else you might exclude a potential terrorist... :lol:

Just open it up to any not totally and utterly white people.

Well, It was more or less a stupid answer to a stupid question.(not asim99's)

[hagbard]

I'd only call to turn in the real terrorists.

[M@rk]

i believe there is an anti-terrorism hotline available to call with tips...so my question is: what will make you call the hotline?

if anyone knows that number, we can put it here

I'd never call the hotline. If I was concerned, I'd want to be taken seriously so I'd call 911, not a hotline where everyone will just go "here we go again..."

[CroatianGuy]

If I overheard someone at school or at work talking about plans to carry out terrorist activity - I would call the hotline.

If I came across a MySpace site that talked about planning terrorist activity I would report it.

If I saw a group of guys near air-conditioning vents doing suspicious things I could call the hotline.

If I heard my brother or relative planning to blow something or someone up I would call the hotline.

Better safe than sorry.

For the folks in Halifax - what do you know about terrorist potential? You guys are not a target. We here in the GTA are. You have no right to criticize our fear. It is not you or your friends and family that could be blown up. For you guys in Halifax or Winnipeg or some other small time city that is not a target for you to talk about this threat is like playing poker but with no money. Until you have money in the game it is not a real poker game.

[atforum]

For the folks in Halifax - what do you know about terrorist potential? You guys are not a target. We here in the GTA are. You have no right to criticize our fear. It is not you or your friends and family that could be blown up. For you guys in Halifax or Winnipeg or some other small time city that is not a target for you to talk about this threat is like playing poker but with no money. Until you have money in the game it is not a real poker game.

YOu speak as if terrorists are waiting to blow your house off. A terrorist does not differentiate btw small city and large city. Halifax and toronto. Probably people in toronto are not as discipled as people from small city. Thats why they do such stupid jobs. Montreal is kewl place though :)

[d_jedi]

What is the anti-terrorism hotline number? They don't seem to publicize this much..

[Rehan]

Yeah, I hadn't heard of it until I heard someone make a reference to it on the radio today. If they've got 40,000 calls already then they must be publicizing it somewhere... I wonder where.

[fakishan]

pretty useles hotline, I seriously doubt any half-decent terrorists would proceed with his activities in a manner to appear suspicious.

These hotlines are created to reassure the population.

[chickenbones]

Let's face it, an Asian guy with a camera taking pics of the TTC ain't going to cause concerns, but an Arab guy doing the same would be suspicious activity.

[bionicbadger]

never, even if I saw my neighbour with a bomb and a gun and maps of government buildings and pictures of our "leaders"

[FastFokker]

Let's face it, an Asian guy with a camera taking pics of the TTC ain't going to cause concerns, but an Arab guy doing the same would be suspicious activity.So true.. Muslim/Arab hysteria is spreading through the Western societies... if that issue isn't dealt with, we're in for a REAL social problem.

I can't imagine some of the treatment Arabs are getting these days.. my sympathies go out to them, and my word that I'm a single white guy trying to help stop the backlash of ignorance.

[akpower]

So true.. Muslim/Arab hysteria is spreading through the Western societies... if that issue isn't dealt with, we're in for a REAL social problem.

I can't imagine some of the treatment Arabs are getting these days.. my sympathies go out to them, and my word that I'm a single white guy trying to help stop the backlash of ignorance.

u r a good man. i hope more of us can be like u.

[rocafellarec]

So true.. Muslim/Arab hysteria is spreading through the Western societies... if that issue isn't dealt with, we're in for a REAL social problem.

I can't imagine some of the treatment Arabs are getting these days.. my sympathies go out to them, and my word that I'm a single white guy trying to help stop the backlash of ignorance.

maybe their mosques should stop brainwashing kids into committing acts of terror then.

[canabiz]

So true.. Muslim/Arab hysteria is spreading through the Western societies... if that issue isn't dealt with, we're in for a REAL social problem.

I can't imagine some of the treatment Arabs are getting these days.. my sympathies go out to them, and my word that I'm a single white guy trying to help stop the backlash of ignorance.

What does the fact that you are single has anything to do with this ? :confused:

But i applaud your good intentions, the world should have more folks like the Fokker LOL

[gei]

If you aint WHITE, then you aint RIGHT! I'm callin the hotline! :evil:

FastFokker how exactly do you think the Canadian government has been racist towards arabs? By arresting a group of them who were trying to blow things up? Do you think we should have just left them alone?

I have seen no evidence of racism whatsoever. It's very sad to see people somehow manage to put fault on our own government for a bunch of brainwashed cowards/terrorists.

[xKagex]

maybe their mosques should stop brainwashing kids into committing acts of terror then.

Maybe you should visit a mosque or learn a bit about them before spouting nonsense.

[rocafellarec]

Maybe you should visit a mosque or learn a bit about them before spouting nonsense.

oh i'm sorry but was it not at a mosque where their base of operations was and where they were recruited from?

[rocafellarec]

FastFokker how exactly do you think the Canadian government has been racist towards arabs? By arresting a group of them who were trying to blow things up? Do you think we should have just left them alone?

I have seen no evidence of racism whatsoever. It's very sad to see people somehow manage to put fault on our own government for a bunch of brainwashed cowards/terrorists.

fastfokker is just an upset little cry-baby who blames our government/police for everything..

[Lonely Soldier Boy]

oh i'm sorry but was it not at a mosque where their base of operations was and where they were recruited from?

Roca, you seem angry chum, what is the matter?

[CroatianGuy]

So true.. Muslim/Arab hysteria is spreading through the Western societies... if that issue isn't dealt with, we're in for a REAL social problem.

I can't imagine some of the treatment Arabs are getting these days.. my sympathies go out to them, and my word that I'm a single white guy trying to help stop the backlash of ignorance.


FF - ask WHY is this hysteria is spreading. Open your eyes guy.

Who killed that Van Gogh guy in Holland?
Who blew up the trains in Spain?
Who flew airplanes into the WTC?
Who beheads Westerners on the Internet?
Who has protests around the world because of some silly cartoons?

I guess in 1942 you would have been saying that they hysteria about the Nazis was unwarranted.

I truly wonder what colour the sky is in your world.

I guess the movie United 93 is based on fiction as opposed to fact.

FastFokker - are you a terrorist sympathizer?

[doc_ock]

Roca, you seem angry chum, what is the matter?
There are 17 people, who recently were arrested, that are accused of making arrangements to attack his nation and kill many of his fellow citizens.

[Lonely Soldier Boy]

There are 17 people, who recently were arrested, that are accused of making arrangements to attack his nation and kill many of his fellow citizens.

Why is that a reason to get angry? What will your anger resolve? Is there a benefit/purpose to it?

[doc_ock]

Why is that a reason to get angry? What will your anger resolve? Is there a benefit/purpose to it?
Anger is an emotion. Some people get emotional when their country or people that they care about are threatened. rocafellarec seems to have found a perfectly legal outlet for his anger by posting here on RFD. What is wrong with that? Many people converse with their peers when something is bothering them. A better question may be, why are you not upset that your Country is being threatened?

[rocafellarec]

Anger is an emotion. Some people get emotional when their country or people that they care about are threatened. rocafellarec seems to have found a perfectly legal outlet for his anger by posting here on RFD. What is wrong with that? Many people converse with their peers when something is bothering them. A better question may be, why are you not upset that your Country is being threatened?

seriously people in some of these threads are laughing about it and pretending like it's a joke... digusting.

[CroatianGuy]

I guess that you really can't expect too much from the new MTV generation.

I might point out this site to the authorities. It definitely seems like we have terrorist sympathizers here. There might not be any but best to let the authorities check it out just to be sure.

This is insane!

[FastFokker]

FastFokker how exactly do you think the Canadian government has been racist towards arabs?I was commenting on the ~40,000 calls to the hotline, with 0 arrests.

Let me repost:
http://www.parl.gc.ca/38/1/parlbus/commbus/senate/Com-e/anti-e/08evc-e.htm?Language=E&Parl=38&Ses=1&comm_id=597

Something worth noting is an often not-acknowledged or under-acknowledged element of our package of counterterrorism initiatives since 2001, that is, a terrorism hotline. Of all the proposals I have heard from around the world, speaking frankly, this is perhaps one of the most asinine. The public received, in the mail, from the government hotline numbers. If an individual spotted someone he or she thought was a terrorist, the individual was urged to ring up and advise the authorities. After some 40,000 phone calls, there have been no arrests. All it has created is a sense of siege within the Islamic community. Local police are complaining that they are constantly being called out to visit homes that are holding legitimate Islamic religious functions. The hotline initiative to my mind has not achieved much, other than to empower the intelligence and security forces.Kno'sayin!
By arresting a group of them who were trying to blow things up? Do you think we should have just left them alone?

I have seen no evidence of racism whatsoever. It's very sad to see people somehow manage to put fault on our own government for a bunch of brainwashed cowards/terrorists.No, it appears you have jumped to a false conclusion.. though I would not necessarily have expected anything more. :lol:
fastfokker is just an upset little cry-baby who blames our government/police for everything..Congratulations, you jumped on the ignorance bandwagon. You guys have quite the little posse!

[rocafellarec]

congrats you jumped on the 'defending terrorists and justifiying their actions' bandwagon! enjoy jail!

[FastFokker]

FastFokker - are you a terrorist sympathizer?I am a sympathizer of those who are victimized. I do not condone violence and I do not condone acts of aggression. I do however defend the innocent, and Arabs and Muslims are innocent, other than a few bad apples within the bunch.

All races and religions have their own bad apples.
congrats you jumped on the 'defending terrorists and justifiying their actions' bandwagon! enjoy jail!Which terrorists? The Canadian ones?

Ohhhhhhhh guilty before proven guilty or innocent! :lol:

If my government feels I am a terrorist from what I say, I am willing to stand by my words and go to jail. ;)

[CroatianGuy]

The way that I see it is that the Terrorist threat is real.
The terrorist threat was found to be alive in my city!
As I said previously - people in Halifax do not know what that feels like.

If 10,000 people have to be inconvenienced because of calls to the anti-terrorism hotline but through the inconvenience a few lives are saved by preventing a terrorist bombing or other terrorist action then the right thing has been done.

The best thing that the Muslim community can do is to report the terrorist idiots to the authorities themselves. Then we wil see that they value this society. Show us that you love this society more than you love the extremists in your community. Then they will gain our full trust.

The only people that need to be afraid of the hotline are those that have something to hide.

Is that too much to ask for?
Is that unreasonable?

[chickenbones]

LOL why is everyone attacking FF? 'Cus his white and he doesn't think every muslim is a terrorist?

Don't hate FastFokker, he's not the bad guy.

[FastFokker]

The way that I see it is that the Terrorist threat is real.Yes the threat is real, but it's not worthy of the constant attention and fear mongering associated with that miniscule threat.

You have a greater likelihood of dying from radon gas, or lightning hitting you, or falling in the bathtub... but why are these threats not given equal fear mongering?

As I said previously - people in Halifax do not know what that feels like.Halifax has violence.. we're actually the most violence city in Canada. ;) So we and I know about threat levels. There is the threat of acts of violence against me everytime I walk out the door, although it's mostlikely going to be done by a white male.

On top, Halifax is the Maritime Naval Base, so it's on the targetting system of ICBM's and who knows what other strike grids. When/if the $hit hits the fan, I am gone.. but that would probably tickle your fancy. :cheesygri

[CroatianGuy]

Am I the bad guy for being afraid of terrorists?
Am I the bad guy for voicing my concerns?

Take for example Wajid Khan - an MP from Streetsville that claims to have stopped hate speach in a mosque.

Khan is happy that these guys were caught.
http://www.wajidkhan.ca/

Thank you for doing the right thing Wajid!
We need more people like you!

Halifax being violent - I wonder why.
Halifax Naval Base - what for all three of our little ships?
I don't think anyone would waste an ICBM on Halifax.

[d_jedi]

What is the anti-terrorism hotline number? They don't seem to publicize this much..
Anyone have an answer? Google search reveals nothing..
arg.

[CroatianGuy]

Good place to start

http://www.csis-scrs.gc.ca/en/index.asp

National Security Tip Line

To report information regarding activities which could pose a threat to national security, please call:
1-800-420-5805.

[FastFokker]

Halifax being violent - I wonder why.
Halifax Naval Base - what for all three of our little ships?
I don't think anyone would waste an ICBM on Halifax.More sudden judgements based on lack of knowledge. You're getting good at this.

[d_jedi]

Good place to start

http://www.csis-scrs.gc.ca/en/index.asp

National Security Tip Line

To report information regarding activities which could pose a threat to national security, please call:
1-800-420-5805.
Thanks. Added that to my Outlook address book.. just in case I ever need it.

[M@rk]

maybe their mosques should stop brainwashing kids into committing acts of terror then.

:-0 ....


FastFokker - are you a terrorist sympathizer?

this thread is really depresssing. honestly. I'm so shocked by people's ignorance that I am unable to form a coherent thought right now, so I'm just going to make a conclusion.... since that's what everyone else is doing. who cares if it's right. here we go.... "there's ignorance in this thread, so therefore, by perfectly logical conclusion, the entire RFD community must be ignorant people as well."

[Lonely Soldier Boy]

Anger is an emotion. Some people get emotional when their country or people that they care about are threatened. rocafellarec seems to have found a perfectly legal outlet for his anger by posting here on RFD. What is wrong with that? Many people converse with their peers when something is bothering them. A better question may be, why are you not upset that your Country is being threatened?

You didn't answer the question. The question is, what benefit arises from getting angry? The answer is none. Saying it is "human" to get angry only defends what we all know is a useless emotion - one that causes all our problems. As for your question, I'm not worried because I have faith in our authorities the law, and my fellow citizens.

Sorry about the late reply, I was out for a walk. I hope no one called the terrorist hotline because one of my friends (a brown Hindu) was recounting a joke from Family Guy about Osama Bin Laden.

[NG]

LOL why is everyone attacking FF? 'Cus his white and he doesn't think every muslim is a terrorist?

Don't hate FastFokker, he's not the bad guy.

:arrowu:

[Lonely Soldier Boy]

By the way, Halifax is an extremely important naval port - our most important one, probably.

I don't know why you are disparaging it, I am sure our friends in the navy wouldn't be pleased to know that fellow Canadians don't think they are a worthy addition to our military forces.

[FastFokker]

Hey I understand people are scared and yes our country is possibly under a new threat we might not be used to.

But let's remain calm and ponder things for a moment. Throwing accusations and inciting hate for something you don't understand will not help our social ill.

I honestly don't know a lot about Arabs or Muslims, but I can tell when someone is getting the short end of a stick.. and they're definitely getting. The widespread negative portrayal is *ALMOST* completely unfounded, if not completely unfounded.

All peoples, races, ethnicities and religions have people who go wayward... and I don't feel Arabs or Muslims are exception to that in any direction (more or less).

I've found the best way to conquer what you fear is to attack it head on, go learn about it and be a part of it.. once you understand it, the fear will dissipate.

[Lonely Soldier Boy]

-Just noticed you deleted your message-

:lol: Brown Muslim here. :lol:

I've had this Quebecois woman yell at me for taking pictures in a park of trees. She thought I was photographing her house, because she saw a flash go off. I told her she could look at my pictures if she wanted to. I really wanted to tell her to go to hell, but I thought a little diplomacy was in order.

The problem with being a minority is that there is always a nagging doubt if it is a normal reaction or if she singled you out because you "look" dangerous. My current policy (and the policy for my entire adult life) has been to give people the benefit of the doubt. I think that in an atmosphere of fear, it is all too easy to get scared. One day we'll realize how foolish we are, things will be back to the way they once were.

[CroatianGuy]

More sudden judgements based on lack of knowledge. You're getting good at this.

You really are getting impressive. I wonder if you even read what is said. Once more - this is what I said:


1. Halifax being violent - I wonder why.

This was a question. I am wondering why Halifax is the most violent city as you claim it is. I did not say anything else - read the words again.


2. Halifax Naval Base - what for all three of our little ships?

Stement of fact. Last time I was there I saw three ships in port. Our destroyers are rather small ships when you look at other navies.


3. I don't think anyone would waste an ICBM on Halifax.

Personal feeling about the relative importance of Halifax as a military target. I guess I could be wrong - if there was a World War then destroying the deep water port would be an inportant thing to do - but how many countries have ICBMs?

[Lonely Soldier Boy]

Stement of fact. Last time I was there I saw three ships in port. Our destroyers are rather small ships when you look at other navies.



I will give you the benefit of the doubt about the racism thing, but I do think you are being insulting to our forces.

http://www.navy.forces.gc.ca/mspa_fleet/fleet_home_e.asp

We have more than simply 3 destroyers. That doesn't include mothballed ships or anything we might have in a strategic reserve (I am not sure if Canada keeps one)

[CroatianGuy]

I will give you the benefit of the doubt about the racism thing, but I do think you are being insulting to our forces.

http://www.navy.forces.gc.ca/mspa_fleet/fleet_home_e.asp

We have more than simply 3 destroyers. That doesn't include mothballed ships or anything we might have in a strategic reserve (I am not sure if Canada keeps one)

You are correct - I should not insult our soldiers, sailors or airmen.
They are defending out nation. They put their lives on the line for us.

I salute all those hard working patriots that put their lives on the line in dangerous places such as Afghanistan - a country into which they were invited by the President Hami Karzai.

I should be more clear in that I think that our military forces and the equipment they have is small. It is the fault of our politicians and our government that we do not have a larger better equipped military force. It is embarassing that our naval pilots are still flying SeaKing helicopters.

I hope this better explains my feelings on the military.

I also should not say anything bad about Halifax. I have been to Halifax a few times and I find it to be a great city with lots of friendly people.

[FastFokker]

2. Halifax Naval Base - what for all three of our little ships?[/INDENT]

Stement of fact. Last time I was there I saw three ships in port. Our destroyers are rather small ships when you look at other navies.

Halifax is home to a plethora of equipment and personnel. From Frigates to Destroyers to Submarines to numerous aircraft and land vehicles.

We're also host to many other nations naval forces, at a given time you can find an aircraft carrier docked here (for example).

3. I don't think anyone would waste an ICBM on Halifax.

Personal feeling about the relative importance of Halifax as a military target. I guess I could be wrong - if there was a World War then destroying the deep water port would be an inportant thing to do - but how many countries have ICBMs?The people who know more than I know tell me that Halifax is definitely on the strike list. I trust that information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icbm

The following nations currently have operational ICBM systems: Russia, the United States, France [1], the United Kingdom, and People's Republic of China. India has IRBMs but is developing ICBMs (see ballistic missiles of India). Pakistan has IRBMs but is also researching ICBMs (see Pakistan's ballistic missiles).

In 2002, the United States and Russia agreed in the SORT treaty to reduce their deployed stockpiles to not more than 2,200 warheads each.

[FastFokker]

It is the fault of our politicians and our government that we do not have a larger better equipped military force. It is embarassing that our naval pilots are still flying SeaKing helicopters.Still not quite right.. our military has been underfunded that's for sure, but we are still fairly well equipment and highly trained.

There is nothing embarassing about our military force whatsoever, and not even about the Sea Kings.

I have a friend who is a Sea King pilot and he assures me they are fantastic aircraft, unfortunately retaining parts for maintenance is the only pain. Yes they are old, but don't forget the Sea King is what the President of the United States rides in.. so obviously it's abilities are exemplory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_1

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4381/seaking7bz.jpg

[gei]

LOL why is everyone attacking FF? 'Cus his white and he doesn't think every muslim is a terrorist?

Don't hate FastFokker, he's not the bad guy.

It's hard to take these "blame everything on bush/harper" guys too seriously.

Terrorist attack on North American soil? Must be Bush or Harper's fault! :rolleyes:

[Txiasaeia]

I honestly don't know a lot about Arabs or Muslims, but I can tell when someone is getting the short end of a stick.. and they're definitely getting. The widespread negative portrayal is *ALMOST* completely unfounded, if not completely unfounded.

Agreed. In every segment or group, there's always a few wingnuts. This says more about humanity as a whole rather than the individual segments or groups. Normal WASPs occasionally go nuts and kill their families. Does that mean that all white people deserve to be closely monitored by the federal government?

[CroatianGuy]

I have a friend who is a Sea King pilot and he assures me they are fantastic aircraft, unfortunately retaining parts for maintenance is the only pain. Yes they are old, but don't forget the Sea King is what the President of the United States rides in.. so obviously it's abilities are exemplory.

I find it odd that you say the Sea Kings are good helicopters especially since last year some aircrews refused to fly them. What is the ratio between flight time and maintenance time?

We definitely need new helicopters.

Yes our military personnel are some of the best trained in the world - but when you have only 2,500 "real soldiers that shoot guns" as opposed to paper pushers and support staff - that is not a very big military force.

[poedua]

Hey I understand people are scared and yes our country is possibly under a new threat we might not be used to.

But let's remain calm and ponder things for a moment. Throwing accusations and inciting hate for something you don't understand will not help our social ill.

I honestly don't know a lot about Arabs or Muslims, but I can tell when someone is getting the short end of a stick.. and they're definitely getting. The widespread negative portrayal is *ALMOST* completely unfounded, if not completely unfounded.

All peoples, races, ethnicities and religions have people who go wayward... and I don't feel Arabs or Muslims are exception to that in any direction (more or less).

I've found the best way to conquer what you fear is to attack it head on, go learn about it and be a part of it.. once you understand it, the fear will dissipate.

Well said.

[poedua]

The way that I see it is that the Terrorist threat is real.
The terrorist threat was found to be alive in my city!
As I said previously - people in Halifax do not know what that feels like.

If 10,000 people have to be inconvenienced because of calls to the anti-terrorism hotline but through the inconvenience a few lives are saved by preventing a terrorist bombing or other terrorist action then the right thing has been done.

The best thing that the Muslim community can do is to report the terrorist idiots to the authorities themselves. Then we wil see that they value this society. Show us that you love this society more than you love the extremists in your community. Then they will gain our full trust.

The only people that need to be afraid of the hotline are those that have something to hide.

Is that too much to ask for?
Is that unreasonable?

Where do you get this stuff from ?

Judging from your comments, I suspect you'll have this terrorist hotline on your speed-dial.

This " hotlline " scenario ....i.e please, tell us who you think may be a terrorist - brings back thoughts of the Joseph McCarthery era of people turning on one another - .i.e please, tell us who you think may be a communist - in a climate of fear and paranoia and blacklisting to root out communists. That communist witchhunt ruined innocent lives and careers.

So I disagree. In a climate of fear and paranoia it is NOT " only people that need to be afraid of the hotline are those that have something to hide "...innocent people need to be fearful as well.

[Lonely Soldier Boy]

I just saw that quote right now.

Whenever I see stuff like "The only people who have to worry about ~~~ are people with something to hide", it makes my blood boil. First, innocent people have suffered throughout our history because of mass hysterias.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Canadian_internment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_scare

If you aren't killed, your life is ruined. Stop and READ those words, you ritalin addled morons - LIVES ARE RUINED. That means every instant, from the moment you are born to the moment you die, and the effort you spent until now is all wasted. Society loses a productive member of society, without any reason. Sure, YOU might not have anything to worry about - but who is to say?

Who will be the next enemy? If it is Muslims today, who is to say it won't be the Chinese tomorrow? I recall the period of time when China forced an American plane to land and the racist incidents that some of my friends had to go through. Catholics have never been entirely trusted in the US - and Hindus & Sikhs are roundly lumped in with Muslims as "Those brown guys". Don't fool yourself - just because you and I can tell the difference between each other doesn't mean Joe Sixpack with a saw'd off can. Don't think History will protect you - Iraq was the best friend of the US until 1991.

It is sad and pathetic that anyone believes that line of hooey - but at the same time, I guess I have faith that our justice system will treat people fairly (despite all the mistakes it has made thus far in these uncertain days)

Either Croatianfellow (or whatever his name is) is an incredibly intelligent troll who is pushing our buttons (at one level I salute you for it, the art of trolling is a difficult one to master), or he has not truly realized the historical consequences of ideas similar to his.

[poedua]

I just saw that quote right now.

Whenever I see stuff like "The only people who have to worry about ~~~ are people with something to hide", it makes my blood boil. First, innocent people have suffered throughout our history because of mass hysterias.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Canadian_internment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_scare

If you aren't killed, your life is ruined. Stop and READ those words, you ritalin addled morons - LIVES ARE RUINED. That means every instant, from the moment you are born to the moment you die, and the effort you spent until now is all wasted. Society loses a productive member of society, without any reason. Sure, YOU might not have anything to worry about - but who is to say?

Who will be the next enemy? If it is Muslims today, who is to say it won't be the Chinese tomorrow? I recall the period of time when China forced an American plane to land and the racist incidents that some of my friends had to go through. Catholics have never been entirely trusted in the US - and Hindus & Sikhs are roundly lumped in with Muslims as "Those brown guys". Don't fool yourself - just because you and I can tell the difference between each other doesn't mean Joe Sixpack with a saw'd off can. Don't think History will protect you - Iraq was the best friend of the US until 1991.

It is sad and pathetic that anyone believes that line of hooey - but at the same time, I guess I have faith that our justice system will treat people fairly (despite all the mistakes it has made thus far in these uncertain days)

Either Croatianfellow (or whatever his name is) is an incredibly intelligent troll who is pushing our buttons (at one level I salute you for it, the art of trolling is a difficult one to master), or he has not truly realized the historical consequences of ideas similar to his.

Well said.

[rocafellarec]

wow this forum is a cess pool of wannabe terrorists.

[NG]

I'd only call to turn in the real terrorists.

I'm pretty sure they already know about Harper and Bush.

[CroatianGuy]

Agreed. In every segment or group, there's always a few wingnuts. This says more about humanity as a whole rather than the individual segments or groups. Normal WASPs occasionally go nuts and kill their families. Does that mean that all white people deserve to be closely monitored by the federal government?

Normal WASPs do go nuts and kill people - but those are random instances and not institutional ones. My priest has never preached that i should go out and blow someone-up.

I don't know how many people stay on top of world affairs but read up on Darfur. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur
It appears that the Muslims are "cleansing" the area of non- Muslims. By some reports the Muslims are very racist towards the black non-Muslims. I can't wait to hear how you try to explain away Darfur. Maybe the black folk are responsible for the genocide just like the Jews were responsible for the Holocaust?

How about Indonesia where Muslims are actively killing non-Muslims?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1955918.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2333085.stm

I am not responsible for this. I am not killing people. I am not threatening to kill people. I am just bringing this to light. There is an interesting quote - "The only thing required for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."

All I can do is voice my concerns and support others who have the same concerns. Hopefully together we can make a better and safer society.

[poedua]

Normal WASPs do go nuts and kill people - but those are random instances and not institutional ones. My priest has never preached that i should go out and blow someone-up.

I don't know how many people stay on top of world affairs but read up on Darfur. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur
It appears that the Muslims are "cleansing" the area of non- Muslims. By some reports the Muslims are very racist towards the black non-Muslims. I can't wait to hear how you try to explain away Darfur. Maybe the black folk are responsible for the genocide just like the Jews were responsible for the Holocaust?

How about Indonesia where Muslims are actively killing non-Muslims?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1955918.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2333085.stm

I am not responsible for this. I am not killing people. I am not threatening to kill people. I am just bringing this to light. There is an interesting quote - "The only thing required for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."

All I can do is voice my concerns and support others who have the same concerns. Hopefully together we can make a better and safer society.

It is your criteria for a "better and safer society" that concerns me...your quote....



" I ask Muslims in Canada to become more Canadian. "

[asim99]

all white people deserve to be closely monitored by the federal government
i can't believe you said that...


kidding!

[stevethewheel]

Oooooh. I bet biker gangs are loving all the attention Muslims are getting.

Wake up folks. FastFokker is on the right track with this one.

[NLI10D]

The way that I see it is that the Terrorist threat is real.
The terrorist threat was found to be alive in my city!
As I said previously - people in Halifax do not know what that feels like.

If 10,000 people have to be inconvenienced because of calls to the anti-terrorism hotline but through the inconvenience a few lives are saved by preventing a terrorist bombing or other terrorist action then the right thing has been done.

The best thing that the Muslim community can do is to report the terrorist idiots to the authorities themselves. Then we wil see that they value this society. Show us that you love this society more than you love the extremists in your community. Then they will gain our full trust.

The only people that need to be afraid of the hotline are those that have something to hide.

Is that too much to ask for?
Is that unreasonable?

you know what, why take the risk? lets just exterminate all these damn muslims (sarcasm). so just because people belong to the muslim faith means they have to gain people's trust? for the record i am catholic and i have muslim friends. i just fail to see the reason behind your logic.

[rocafellarec]

seriously i blame the muslim community for this as well
the recruiting happens in their mosques and they are the first to scream racial profiling when arrests are made.

[tigger03]

If you aint WHITE, then you aint RIGHT! I'm callin the hotline! :evil:

and you are a fokking racist idiot :mad:

[stevethewheel]

and you are a fokking racist idiot :mad:

That's a good one. You do know from following his posts that that was a sarcastic and poignant comment right.

[Casanova]

Normal WASPs do go nuts and kill people - but those are random instances and not institutional ones. My priest has never preached that i should go out and blow someone-up.

I don't know how many people stay on top of world affairs but read up on Darfur. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur
It appears that the Muslims are "cleansing" the area of non- Muslims. By some reports the Muslims are very racist towards the black non-Muslims. I can't wait to hear how you try to explain away Darfur. Maybe the black folk are responsible for the genocide just like the Jews were responsible for the Holocaust?

How about Indonesia where Muslims are actively killing non-Muslims?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1955918.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2333085.stm

I am not responsible for this. I am not killing people. I am not threatening to kill people. I am just bringing this to light. There is an interesting quote - "The only thing required for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."

All I can do is voice my concerns and support others who have the same concerns. Hopefully together we can make a better and safer society.


about time you got banned, as for Darfur, maybe this site can teach you a couple of things and brush up. BTW, now you can go back to your real account now that your trolling account is banned :D


http://www.tharwaproject.org/index.php?option=com_keywords&task=view&id=2018&Itemid=0



In pure racialist terms, its hard for any scientific (or even superficial) differentiation between the “Arabs” and the “Africans” of Darfur; both are equally black, equally African, and equally Muslim. The Arabist ideology, however, allowed Darfur’s “Arabs” to identify linguistically, culturally and politically with the Arab world, and the Khartoum government, where the ideology has taken increasing prominence. And superimposed over the eternal struggle for resources in Darfur, and the escalating tensions of the previous years, the Arabist ideology has had a deadly manifestation in the years since 2003.

[rocafellarec]

about time you got banned, as for Darfur, maybe this site can teach you a couple of things and brush up. BTW, now you can go back to your real account now that your trolling account is banned :D


http://www.tharwaproject.org/index.php?option=com_keywords&task=view&id=2018&Itemid=0


why would he get banned; because he speaks the truth? :idea:

[Rehan]

why would he get banned http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3405880#post3405880

[Daemar]

We have CSIS to monitor domestic terrorism threats. We do not need neighbors spying on each other or spreading mistrust. The hotline should only be used when you hear/see first hand the conspiracy of a terrorist threat. IE. you overhear some guys saying 'so this is how we're gonna bomb xyz.' NOT when you hear someone speaking a foreign language. :lol:

[FastFokker]

We have to fight CRIME and fight CRIMINALS, and those come in all shapes, sizes, colours AND RELIGIONS!

I honestly would have thought Canada would be decades ahead of America in terms of tolerance and acceptance. Not to mention, the past 4-5years of watching America go nuts, rife with paranoia and BAD choices.

We've got to remain calm, and look at the big picture before acting, which would be simply reactionary, based solely out of fear and ignorance.

I guess this thread is about the terrorist hotline, and I suppose the hotline is a good thing, but do us all a favour and be reasonably sure you are reporting something that's not right, and not just something you don't understand.