FTA discussion is getting out of hand

[JustMike]

Can anybody explain why is the "Computers & Electronics" part of the forum suddenly the central support forum for all things FTA (which is a misnomer for illegally decrypting satellite signal using a modified free-to-air satellite receiver)?

For the people who thrive on this illegal activity, wouldn't you think that making the public more and more aware of it might eventually lead to it's demise? RFD is no small forum and with publicity throughout more than one media outlet, more mention == more attention. Sorry like peeing in your own pool is how another forum member described it.

Sorry for the rant, but my concern is that useful info from the C&E forum is being pushed down the list for the sake of supporting these discussions.

[Prankster]

FTA is not illeagal, each sat. systems does have channels that are leagal to view for free.

Although there is other sites for such discussions. Which are also legal to view, lol!!


dssevolution

smarthackerz

id-discussions

sattech

many more to chose from

[controlyar]

So because you support illegal satellite activity...and it is being discussed in the Computers/Electronics forum, you are scared that since so many people are viewing the threads, that this may create potential for you losing your illegal satellite signal? :confused:

[Prankster]

Show me where it states anyone supports illeagal activity!!

[controlyar]

Show me where it states anyone supports illeagal activity!!

From the tone of his post, I gathered that he "thrives on illegal activity" and if the "public more and more aware of it might eventually lead to it's demise"
So, he is afraid that FAT software may be banned because so many people are discussing it on RFD.

Maybe I am just confused. :confused:

[Gee]

I fail to see how what we are discussing as illegal. We do not tell you how to decrypt signals, nor do we even mention what is involved.

As for the rest of the forum, I spend 80% of my time in this forum and I try to contribute where ever I can. I don't ignore other threads.

It is your option to skip threads pertaining to FTA.

[Prankster]

Controlyar: I can understand what your saying by all means!! But I think there is alot of speculation of someone just expressing a concern?

[Gee]

Actually, the tone of his post does sound as if he is afraid that the rest of us are going to ruin it for him.

There are several FTA manufacturers out there. There are legitimate uses for FTA. It would take too many resources for the carriers to examine all the manufacturers to try and criple FTA systems. They are more concern with people illegally decrypting signals from the OEM equipment.

[Prankster]

But it is not our spot to speculate, maybe just help him guide the thread to the right direction?

But if he is using the FTA for illeagal purposes that his business and the "gods of the satellite world" are light years ahead of him in and RFD FTA threads. They arent watching us for the "fixes" The have their eyes on the sites that specialize in that.


Plus if the orginal poster is scared of theoutcomeof these threads, then he might be over his head with FTA use.

[Ghost_Rider]

Actually, the tone of his post does sound as if he is afraid that the rest of us are going to ruin it for him.

There are several FTA manufacturers out there. There are legitimate uses for FTA. It would take too many resources for the carriers to examine all the manufacturers to try and criple FTA systems. They are more concern with people illegally decrypting signals from the OEM equipment.

Exactly

[MrDisco]

I personally do not understand why FTA threads are allowed. You can hide behind cheesy terms like "testing" but 99% of the people in it are doing it to pirate commerical signals (i.e "B3V"..wow I wonder what that means). Links to sites on how to pirate signals, the latest keys on how to pirate signals, and general newbs asking how to pirate signals should not be tolerated at all given the nature of this site.

[Gee]

I cannot defend what people do with their units. You are probably correct in saying that 99% of the people are stealing encrypted signals.

I can defend my thread. I asked about an opinion for a specific unit, and then I started a buying group.

What people decide to do with these units are not of my business. All I want to do is get a good deal on a bunch of units. Which reflects the spirit of this site.

[Prankster]

Those sites also have other information besides theones that you have listed. So those sites should be allowed. Someonce also use those sites to gain information on satellites, but doesnt mean they are "testing". Everyone is just second guessing someone else, which menas they are being labelled as a "pirate" or "satellite theif." Labelling fellow RFS'ers because of a thread or question is wrong.

Let the mods decide what is right or wrong.

[Prankster]

Well said GEE

[MrDisco]

Those sites also have other information besides theones that you have listed. So those sites should be allowed. Someonce also use those sites to gain information on satellites, but doesnt mean they are "testing". Everyone is just second guessing someone else, which menas they are being labelled as a "pirate" or "satellite theif." Labelling fellow RFS'ers because of a thread or question is wrong.

Haha "testing". Tell me if FTA is as legit as you claim, why all the dancing around with the wishy-washy terms? As if saying B3V is some super-secret code to trip up the authorities (and if it does well here's a hint: it's Bell Expressvu).

Posting a deal on a hardware unit - go nuts.
Posting a site which contains info on how to pirate (even if its not explicitly stated but contains keys and other critical info), even if they have units for sale, should not be tolerated.

Sorry to all the pir8 kiddies who I may offend, but this is a public forum which has made its stance that it will not allow pirated discussions to take place. Consistancy is all i'm asking for.

[Prankster]

Wishy washy terms? Who keeps throwing around the term "B3V" not us!! Besides FTA can be used for satellites like dish, direct and star choice. I just used the word testing from someone elses post. I have a FTA, I use it to sub to BELL EXPRES VU.

So yes it is legal, and sites that sell or promote the FTA do have purpose on this site. There is public info on these sites thats legal. So if consistency is what your looking for, then plz have all of your facts straight before dancing the wishy washy.


Besides if the threads offend you about FTA there complain to the mods or simply ignore the threads!!

[MrDisco]

Wishy washy terms? Who keeps throwing around the term "B3V" not us!! Besides FTA can be used for satellites like dish, direct and star choice. I just used the word testing from someone elses post. I have a FTA, I use it to sub to BELL EXPRES VU.

So yes it is legal, and sites that sell or promote the FTA do have purpose on this site. There is public info on these sites thats legal. So if consistency is what your looking for, then plz have all of your facts straight before dancing the wishy washy.

Besides if the threads offend you about FTA there complain to the mods or simply ignore the threads!!

To clarify, I'm not singling out any one discussion thread/person but just a general feeling based on the threads I have seen.

I never said FTA in itself isn't illegal. It's the related activities which the majority of people are in it for that's the problem.

Facts?
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3414091&postcount=76
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3425089&postcount=88

Can't be bothered to search for the others as the last one proves my point quite well.

Yes I have reported and voiced my concerns to the mods. Thanks for the suggestion though :)

[JustMike]

Enjoy your FTA satellite, guys...

[Carpe Diem]

Mods, Can we discuss this topic or not? An answer will end this silliness...

[Sajjad]

I don't steal signals! I use the actual FTA channels, BYU and RFD-TV (no joke, some christian related thing :lol: )

[Gee]

Seems like this thread is getting the most attention in this forum.

Hmmm, wonder if that is due to all the interest in FTA?

[Bunkhouse]

Also i'd like to see any receiver discussions regarding "autoroll" or "N2" not be allowed. Since those are things that only an illegally modified receiver do. People posting links to hack sites should also be a no no. People asking for the latest bins/fixes or mentioning that a certain model receiver is up or down also.

Person looking for FTA receiver with autoroll: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2950004&postcount=1

Linking to hack sites: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3390336&postcount=6

Missing PPV & pron on BeV using FTA receiver: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3391350&postcount=11

the list goes on and on...
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"Let the mods decide what is right or wrong."
I think the mods need to get togeather and set up guidelines for FTA posts of what is allowed and what is not, or even put a sticky up that there is to be no discussion regarding decryption with FTA receivers.

I've seen other sites get overrun with these types of topics and most i've seen resort from temporary bans to permanent bans (and it works).

[davecanada]

Interesting that there is no comments....

[MrDisco]

It's pretty disappointing in my opinion.

[Ryan]

Discussing FTA in general is fine. Discussing illegal use of such equipment is against the forum rules. Please report posts that link to or request such material.

[[Ned]]

Interesting that there is no comments....Don't be hating just because you're a Bell employee.

[VivaItalia]

If FTA was "illegal" you would not be able to buy it in stores unless you bought it through the "black market" or had it imported from other countries using a source like ebay to buy it. You can buy these receivers anywhere. Flea markets, electronic shops, computer stores and so on, so please don't refer to FTA as illegal activity. Until the government passes a law in this country which states FTA cannot be sold here nor used then all talk about FTA should be considered "legal activity". So please, do yourself a favor and the rest of the community and not waste valuable web space with a dumb thread like this. You very much sound like a spokesperson from bell and rogers to oppose fta because there wallets are not getting as fat as they would like.

PWNED!! :P

[Prankster]

Its is like all other threads, open to discuss from by everyone. You dont like it, then dont read or comment on FTA threads!!

If a topic is deemed unacceptavle, the mods will take care of it. Otherwise its open game.

[Corel]

How am I responsible for satalite signals that are coming in to MY backyard? No ones forcing them to broadcast in my general direction..

[champ91]

I don't steal signals! I use the actual FTA channels, BYU and RFD-TV (no joke, some christian related thing :lol: )

....how come this guy got banned?

[Bunkhouse]

How am I responsible for satalite signals that are coming in to MY backyard? No ones forcing them to broadcast in my general direction..
No one is forcing you to illegally decrypt them. Just like Cell service, microwave band, neighbor's wireless router, and the numberous other waves around us. It is illegal to decrypt signals that are not intended for you.

[kymics]

FTA (which is a misnomer for illegally decrypting satellite signal using a modified free-to-air satellite receiver)

Seems like there's a lot of misinformation here about FTA. The original poster was clear that people using the term "FTA" for decrypting satellite signals is a misnomer. The term "FTA" refers to "free-to-air" which means the ability to freely use an special receiver to receive unencrypted video broadcasts from a large-format dish. Using a small dish like an ExpressVu dish will only get you 2 or 3 free video channels and some audio channels. Anyone using a small dish to access many video channels must be decrypting blocked channels (aka pirating).

I believe the original poster's concern was that public awareness of the ability to use FTA hardware to decrypt subscription-based signals may lead to intervention by some government agencies to make this hardware illegal to purchase. That would cause a huge issue for the people who use this hardware for its intended purpose: to view free unencrypted channels off various satellites (almost exclusively not Bell, Dish or DirecTV satellites).

I'm not an active member on this forum, so I don't wish to comment on whether FTA hacking posts need to be banned.

[Narci]

If people can discuss FTA and use workaround terms like 'testing'...does that mean I can talk about PSP/XBOX/PS2 ISO's and use terms like 'for back up purposes'?

[lil_c09]

Can anybody explain why is the "Computers & Electronics" part of the forum suddenly the central support forum for all things FTA (which is a misnomer for illegally decrypting satellite signal using a modified free-to-air satellite receiver)?

For the people who thrive on this illegal activity, wouldn't you think that making the public more and more aware of it might eventually lead to it's demise? RFD is no small forum and with publicity throughout more than one media outlet, more mention == more attention. Sorry like peeing in your own pool is how another forum member described it.

Sorry for the rant, but my concern is that useful info from the C&E forum is being pushed down the list for the sake of supporting these discussions.

If it bugs you then just ignore it, it can't be that hard.

[sixer]

99.9% of FTA users should be handcuffed and put in a cruiser. It's illegal, and your making legitimate people like me pay more for my services.

[almostfreeman]

99.9% of FTA users should be handcuffed and put in a cruiser. It's illegal, and your making legitimate people like me pay more for my services.


99.9% of generalizations are false.

[sixer]

99.9% of generalizations are false.

Do you honestly think people are only buying FTA to pickup Al Jezeera TV or only the legit channels offered on Galaxy 10R. NO, they're picking it up to steal encrypted channels by using the serial port on their PC to connect to their FTA receiver and load cracked bins they found on Al7bar .tk or some other illegal website. You can join your illegal buddies in a civil suit.

[duckdown]

don't like it, then don't view it.

[Chinko]

Sixer, how come you know about hacking satellite, were you "curious" to see if you could load those bins as well? Although it is "not right" to steal their signals, IMO it's the Bell/DN/etc responsability to protect their signals from thieves.

You're probably an honest citizen living off his hard-earned cash in his 9to5 job and is always walking on the righteous white road. It's a good thing, otherwise those profitable corporations wouldnt be able to survive this cruel world.

[sixer]

Sixer, how come you know about hacking satellite, were you "curious" to see if you could load those bins as well? Although it is "not right" to steal their signals, IMO it's the Bell/DN/etc responsability to protect their signals from thieves.

You're probably an honest citizen living off his hard-earned cash in his 9to5 job and is always walking on the righteous white road. It's a good thing, otherwise those profitable corporations wouldnt be able to survive this cruel world.

I have a family relative who tried to pressure me into it and I keep saying no, it's wrong, plus I don't need to worry about it not being able to watch the game if it's down, I have no time for that crap, plus I love getting all the HD channels with high quality picture and 5.1 sound.
But the biggest thing is it's wrong, your stealing, and if caught be ready for the consequences.

In terms of DN and Bell being responsible for signal, I don't agree!
That's like saying stores shouldn't put goods outside the store, what if someone steals it because it's so easily accessible to grab and run, what about the fruit stands that have a little money container and say pay for what you buy?

PEOPLE DON'T GET IT! It's wrong and Illegal.

There's this Bagel store in town here in K-W, you pay for what you buy as guy is in the back baking!! Saves him money. Seriously, no cashier, just pay your part for 1 or 12 bagels and go. Take your own change!!! So does that mean ok to steal??? NO!!!!!!!!!!!

[mlc2000]

Stealing Satellite is as illegal as downloading MP3's.
No more, no less.

Having said that, I sure miss 110 and 119.

[Pseudo Nim]

I have a family relative who tried to pressure me into it and I keep saying no, it's wrong, plus I don't need to worry about it not being able to watch the game if it's down, I have no time for that crap, plus I love getting all the HD channels with high quality picture and 5.1 sound.
But the biggest thing is it's wrong, your stealing, and if caught be ready for the consequences.

In terms of DN and Bell being responsible for signal, I don't agree!
That's like saying stores shouldn't put goods outside the store, what if someone steals it because it's so easily accessible to grab and run, what about the fruit stands that have a little money container and say pay for what you buy?

PEOPLE DON'T GET IT! It's wrong and Illegal.

There's this Bagel store in town here in K-W, you pay for what you buy as guy is in the back baking!! Saves him money. Seriously, no cashier, just pay your part for 1 or 12 bagels and go. Take your own change!!! So does that mean ok to steal??? NO!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh come on, don't compare between a big company like Bell or Rogers and a single guy baking bagels. Note that I don't mean to say that stealing from a big company should be permitted while stealing from a single person banned; but for those defending the large companies, where are you when they screw you? When Rogers or Bell cut Usenet for "child porn reasons" (Rogers) or " [blank] " (Bell, and they have a link to buy paid service), where are you to defend them? Oh, I'm sorry, I see you complaining from the other side.

I find a lot of people complain about righteousness when the deed being done doesn't affect them, but as soon as they have been wronged, they are the #1 advocate.

Re-reading what I wrote, it's not 100% clear 'cause I'm trying to write and think at the same time (and leave for lunch), but I think the message is sort of there. :)