WOW ---- New and used cars from US up to 30% cheaper - Read post #1

[mingo-jones]

I thought some of you may want to ask some questions or embarrass someone about importing cars from the US. 3pm today live chat.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-drive/cross-border-car-shopping/article1527823/

And as for Flaherty, I don't understand how he has the backing of GM when he denied the recession was ever coming to Canada and many lost their jobs.

[siwen66]

I found following on a BC forum.
Hope ontario will do same.

Re: So how is the HST going to affect our importing costs?
I was told today that we will still be charged gust the GST amount at customs, and the PST amount at registration.

Here is the e-mail from the HST website contact forum-
______________________________________________
Thank you for your inquiry. We apologize for the delay in responding.

When importing a vehicle, the 5% federal portion of the HST (the GST)
will be collected at the border by Canada Border Services Agency. The 7%
provincial portion of the HST will be collected upon registration of the
vehicle.

The provincial tax on the private sale of vehicles will not apply in
these circumstances.
__________________________________________________

[canadait]

Hi,

I have searched the form for lien information but am still kinda confused.

I would like to purchase a car privately from a guy in Montana but he has a loan on the car with VW. How should I go about having the leien paid off.

My plan was to write up a bill of sale with him and pay off the lien at VW so it the lien is cleared. Would they then give me documentationt that I could present to the border with the bill of sale?

Any help is greatly appreciated!

[Monsieurmaggot]

I thought some of you may want to ask some questions or embarrass someone about importing cars from the US. 3pm today live chat.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-drive/cross-border-car-shopping/article1527823/

And as for Flaherty, I don't understand how he has the backing of GM when he denied the recession was ever coming to Canada and many lost their jobs.


I sent in a couple of messages but I think the time ran out.

Oh well.

I love people who say "you will pay taxes when you buy a car in the US".

Last time I checked, I also paid taxes when I bought a car in Canada so it's a moot point.

I was kidding about Flaherty. I heard he mentioned his plans to them on the 17th hole in order to win the golf round. From what I heard the GM execs. sunk the following swings in the sand traps and sliced the next two in the rough.

That's just what I heard...

<wink>

[Fate]

Cato sure spent a lot of time defending the Canadian dealers. He also tried to instill some fear into Canadians thinking about going south "warranty work at you local dealer might be difficult as you aren't their customer." It was pathetic. Guess he was worried if he offended them too much they might not give him demo models to drive around for a month at a time.

He kept referring to Toyota as one of the retailers that has made major adjustments to thier pricing. That may be at the Corolla level, but anything above that is not even close. The Highlander limited starts at nearly 10k (after freight and PDI) more in Canada. The 2009 model was manufactured in Japan (subject to 6.1% import fee) and the 2010 model is manufactured in Indiana (no 6.1% fee). Do you think that 6.1% was passed on to consumers? Guess again, the limited price actually increased $300. Pathetic.

[freewheel]

There is no way that any item written in a publication that is supported by advertising of Canadian car dealers will give an accurate account of the situation.

My hope is that those who read the article also read the comments of the readers that overwhelmingly dispute the author.

Jeremy cato has proven himself time and again to be a toadie of the Canadian dealerships.

All we can do is tell everyone we know,in every forum about the huge pricing disparity that still exists.

[Dr.Evil]

Hello,


well it has been interesting reading everyone's success stories. I am now hoping others can help guide me toward my first purchase of a new vehicle ever, I have worked hard, bought my mom a new car in Canada, overpaid.


I never drive anything good for myself so I have decided to finally buy something for myself that i can also use for work.

I am looking for a 2010 Ford f150 lariat or fx4 with luxury package.
I live in Calgary, Alberta and hoping the users on this board can recommend a Ford dealer for me to talk too.


Thanks

[extraleanham]

Mechanics of import'g used car bought privately in washington state??

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1. Where do you buy the temporary insurance? Do you buy from icbc and that covers you in the states?

2. Where do you leave car while you wait 72 hrs for US customs to do its thing?

3. If something goes wrong, can you leave your car park at either US or Canadian customs?

4. I'm not licensing the car in Washington, so I assume I dont pay the state tax?

5. Is there an equivalent to bcaa in washington to do mechanical inspection?

Thanks

[Matty]

If you don't mind me asking, what model are you looking for? I did a quick comparison for a 2010 Santa Fe V6 SUV and there is not much difference in price....

Not much difference??

First, here's a post in Edmunds:

"#2687 of 2722 Re: 2010 santa fe limited AWD [funguy123] by santafee Feb 17, 2010 (5:33 pm) Replying to: funguy123 (Feb 16, 2010 10:34 pm) MSRP is 33540 and came down to 28400 (Including 1500 rebate) "

So that's USD$28,400 for a Limited w/ NAV.

Hyundai Canada's site shows C$39,359. Knock maybe $1K off w/ a CCC report. Call it C$38K. The site shows no rebates at this time.

That's a $10,000 difference. That's unreasonable, to say the least.

[Sergio]

I purchased a regular insurnace that allows me to drive all over North America. Do not buy a temporary insurnace, it will not be worth it. Not sur eif temp insurance even exists
Sent title 72hrs prior to your pickup/driving of car. In my case, it took 3 days to transport car from Florida to Champlain, and Title was sent overnight to USA export office on Day 1
Yes, if they do not accept, you can leave car on USA side, and resolve whatever is needed to be done
You do not need to pay state taxes if car's destiny is for Canada
Not sure what BCAA is, but I got car inspected by Mfg dealer in local town of vehicle, then I got it inspected by Canadian Tire for RIV/Fed Dept.


Good luck!
S

[canabiz]

Not much difference??

First, here's a post in Edmunds:

"#2687 of 2722 Re: 2010 santa fe limited AWD [funguy123] by santafee Feb 17, 2010 (5:33 pm) Replying to: funguy123 (Feb 16, 2010 10:34 pm) MSRP is 33540 and came down to 28400 (Including 1500 rebate) "

Got that? USD$28,400 for a Limited w/ NAV.

Hyundai Canada's site shows C$39,359. Knock maybe $1K off w/ a CCC report. Call it C$38K. The site shows no rebates at this time.

That's a $10,000 difference.

Not a big diff?!

You don't have to be a smart-ass about this.

The other poster asked about dealers in New York who will sell Hyundai to Canadians. I poked around for the prices between 2 dealers, one in New York and one in Ottawa for the same model and presented the numbers with links to websites for verification.

If you have answers to his questions, feel free to post. And do so in a constructive manner, not in a condescending one. I am still new to this thread (as are others) and appreciate the feedback.

[ziploc]

You don't have to be a smart-ass about this.

The other poster asked about dealers in New York who will sell Hyundai to Canadians. I poked around for the prices between 2 dealers, one in New York and one in Ottawa for the same model and presented the numbers with links to websites for verification.

If you have answers to his questions, feel free to post. And do so in a constructive manner, not in a condescending one. I am still new to this thread (as are others) and appreciate the feedback.

sorry, but he is right.....

maybe U don't know the mechanics of how the market works in US...and if U compare MSRP's...there's not much difference....
but that's not how U buy a car in US..

I bought 2 hyundai's myself and saved (if U count the difference in price + taxes saved + all the transport and fees) around 12K$ on each.....

the only thing that might came into the equation is that the new Tucson is a new model and that there's not many incentives or rebates yet

[canabiz]

sorry, but he is right.....

maybe U don't know the mechanics of how the market works in US...and if U compare MSRP's...there's not much difference....
but that's not how U buy a car in US..

I bought 2 hyundai's myself and saved (if U count the difference in price + taxes saved + all the transport and fees) around 12K$ on each.....

the only thing that might came into the equation is that the new Tucson is a new model and that there's not many incentives or rebates yet

I never dispute that he is wrong or you are wrong. I simply asked him (or you) to help the previous poster who has questions about dealers who sell to Canadians in New York state with more info. Perhaps that will help me and others in the process as well.

This thread is not about who is right or who is wrong. It is about helping each other with information to save money.

[ziploc]

I never dispute that he is wrong or you are wrong. I simply asked him (or you) to help the previous poster who has questions about dealers who sell to Canadians in New York state with more info. Perhaps that will help me and others in the process as well.

This thread is not about who is right or who is wrong. It is about helping each other with information to save money.

sorry if i offended You....

If someone need my dealer info, they can pm me...
my dealer is located in Great Detroit area.....
I think he still sell to Canadians....my last purchase was in summer 2008..

[smacd]

I purchased a regular insurnace that allows me to drive all over North America. Do not buy a temporary insurnace, it will not be worth it. Not sur eif temp insurance even exists
Sent title 72hrs prior to your pickup/driving of car. In my case, it took 3 days to transport car from Florida to Champlain, and Title was sent overnight to USA export office on Day 1
Yes, if they do not accept, you can leave car on USA side, and resolve whatever is needed to be done
You do not need to pay state taxes if car's destiny is for Canada
Not sure what BCAA is, but I got car inspected by Mfg dealer in local town of vehicle, then I got it inspected by Canadian Tire for RIV/Fed Dept.


Good luck!
S

Unfortunately, in BC, the provincial insurance company, ICBC, won't give you anything other than temporary insurance until the vehicle has been imported and passed both the riv and provincial inspections. It cost me around $75 for 10 days.
From what I understand, the only way to avoid state taxes is to either ship the vehicle out of the state (ie: you can't drive it away) or buy it in a state which doesn't have any state sales tax. That would be Oregon, Montana, or Alaska in the west.

[Matty]

You don't have to be a smart-ass about this.


Oops, sorry. I see exactly how that came off: I typed "Got that?" as in "Here's our first number. Remember it and Now let me calculate the second one...".

Now that I'm rereading it, I see that it sounds like some boor screaming "Hey buddy, you get my point or what!?".

It's true that just because you type something doesn't mean it gets interpreted the way you intended!

[extraleanham]

Unfortunately, in BC, the provincial insurance company, ICBC, won't give you anything other than temporary insurance until the vehicle has been imported and passed both the riv and provincial inspections. It cost me around $75 for 10 days.
From what I understand, the only way to avoid state taxes is to either ship the vehicle out of the state (ie: you can't drive it away) or buy it in a state which doesn't have any state sales tax. That would be Oregon, Montana, or Alaska in the west.


http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=82.08.0264
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=458-20-177

you need proof of nonresidence if buying from a dealer. not sure how it works if you are buying from private party. odd that there is so much misinformation . this thread seriously needs to be locked.

Sales tax does not apply to sales of motor vehicles, trailers, or campers to qualified nonresidents for use outside of this state, even though delivery is made within this state, under the following conditions:

1. the vehicles will be taken from the point of delivery in this state directly to a point outside this state under the authority of a trip permit; or

2. the vehicles will be registered and licensed immediately (at the time of delivery) under the laws of the state of the purchaser's residence, will not be used in this state more than 3 months, and will not be required to be registered and licensed under the laws of this state.

3. The dealer must establish that:

1. the purchaser is a nonresident of Washington;
2. the vehicle is for use outside this state; and
3. the vehicle is to be driven from his premises under the authority of a trip permit or valid license plates issued by the state of the purchaser's residence with such plates affixed to the vehicle at the time of final delivery.

[HP_John]

Cato sure spent a lot of time defending the Canadian dealers. He also tried to instill some fear into Canadians thinking about going south "warranty work at you local dealer might be difficult as you aren't their customer." It was pathetic. Guess he was worried if he offended them too much they might not give him demo models to drive around for a month at a time.

He kept referring to Toyota as one of the retailers that has made major adjustments to thier pricing. That may be at the Corolla level, but anything above that is not even close. The Highlander limited starts at nearly 10k (after freight and PDI) more in Canada. The 2009 model was manufactured in Japan (subject to 6.1% import fee) and the 2010 model is manufactured in Indiana (no 6.1% fee). Do you think that 6.1% was passed on to consumers? Guess again, the limited price actually increased $300. Pathetic.

Clearly, some dealers & some sales people are scum, but the root of the problem is the Cdn subsidiaries, who charge Cdn dealers much more than they charge US dealers for the same cars. I don't expect Cdn dealers to pricematch US dealers, when corporate charges them much more for the same cars that they charge US dealers.

When the Cdn dollar is at $0.80, $0.85, etc, & now the dollar is at par, but the corporations still charge Cdn dealers the same even though a Cdn dollar is worth much more now. Dealers don't enjoy having to try to justify the price difference, they ***** & complain but corporate does very little. If you look at 2 yrs ago vs now, the price difference isn't as bad as it used to be, but on some cars, it's still very large.

People shouldn't expect a Cdn dealer to just tell them straight up, "please don't buy from me since it's much cheaper for you to buy it in the US". They need to sell cars to make their living, so they will give excuses, some of which are ******, about the benefits of buying in Canada.

[CalgaryJeremyK]

Clearly, some dealers & some sales people are scum, but the root of the problem is the Cdn subsidiaries, who charge Cdn dealers much more than they charge US dealers for the same cars. I don't expect Cdn dealers to pricematch US dealers, when corporate charges them much more for the same cars that they charge US dealers.

When the Cdn dollar is at $0.80, $0.85, etc, & now the dollar is at par, but the corporations still charge Cdn dealers the same even though a Cdn dollar is worth much more now. Dealers don't enjoy having to try to justify the price difference, they ***** & complain but corporate does very little. If you look at 2 yrs ago vs now, the price difference isn't as bad as it used to be, but on some cars, it's still very large.

People shouldn't expect a Cdn dealer to just tell them straight up, "please don't buy from me since it's much cheaper for you to buy it in the US". They need to sell cars to make their living, so they will give excuses, some of which are ******, about the benefits of buying in Canada.

A very sensible post and correct on all counts.

[extraleanham]

what is carburner.com? I dont see anything there except advertising links. It is supposed to be wiki?

[cdwalkman]

sorry if i offended You....

If someone need my dealer info, they can pm me...
my dealer is located in Great Detroit area.....
I think he still sell to Canadians....my last purchase was in summer 2008..

Thanks for the PM ziploc, much appreciated!!!

I have found the difference between the US and CDN Tucscons (fully loaded, Limited models) works out to between $3,000-$7,000 depending on various factors. There is duty on it, so that is cutting into the savings. Now I basically just have to figure out if I'm comfortable losing the warranty for that amount of savings.

[zz]

Hi there,

I am planning to import a forester 2.5x limit from usa... but don't know which dealer ( near montana or great fall ) would like to make the deal to canada resident? Any information will be appreciated..

Thanks all! Wish everyone here make a good deal on your car shopping!

:razz:

[michelb]

what is carburner.com? I dont see anything there except advertising links. It is supposed to be wiki?

carburner.com was a wiki with lots of info but it's been abandoned and someone else poached the domain.

[ipassgas]

Does anyone know which states won't charge any state taxes?
I want to buy a new ininiti (Warranty is valid in Canada). I have a US driver's licence and a US address (so the dealers will sell it to me). I will import it directly to canada (and pay duty, RIV, Taxes, etcc). I"d like to avoid paying the state tax at the point of sale. Any advice would be appreciated.

[trusoulja2g]

You most likely cannot get a temp permit from NY if you aren't buying the car from there (they normally only issue one if the car comes from there or is going there although sometimes clerks issue them without paying too much attention so you might get lucky). You also can't get it from Ontario as you need 'Form 1' to get one which means you have to have already been through the border and imported it (they also will only give you one within 6 days of date of purchase so if you are having it transported, waiting 3 days at US border, etc, you probably can't get all that done within 6 days).

You need to get one from the state you are buying the vehicle or to be legal, you need to have the vehicle towed until it can get properly registered in Ontario.

Can anyone confirm if this is the case? I am having a car shipped from Florida to Buffalo, NY. I cannot get a temp tag from Florida without paying state tax, so I was planning to get a NY state "Interstate In-Transit Permit" to drive the car from Buffalo to the border. Is it true that NY DMV won't issue one to me if the car wasn't purchased in NY?

Thanks.

[smacd]

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=82.08.0264
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=458-20-177

you need proof of nonresidence if buying from a dealer. not sure how it works if you are buying from private party. odd that there is so much misinformation . this thread seriously needs to be locked.



Really? A thread with nearly 4.5 million views and 18,000 posts should be "Locked" because I made a mistake? I prefaced my reply with "From what I understand", because in the 2 states that I researched, Florida and California, that is the case. Sorry I was wrong and thank you for enlightening us on Washington State's policy. Chill. It's an internet forum, not Legal Aid's website.

[ziploc]

Thanks for the PM ziploc, much appreciated!!!

I have found the difference between the US and CDN Tucscons (fully loaded, Limited models) works out to between $3,000-$7,000 depending on various factors. There is duty on it, so that is cutting into the savings. Now I basically just have to figure out if I'm comfortable losing the warranty for that amount of savings.

If U're not in urge of changing....
wait a bit for some factory rebates to kick in...
Now it's to early for that the car is fresh new and in demand...

[smacd]

Does anyone know which states won't charge any state taxes?
I want to buy a new ininiti (Warranty is valid in Canada). I have a US driver's licence and a US address (so the dealers will sell it to me). I will import it directly to canada (and pay duty, RIV, Taxes, etcc). I"d like to avoid paying the state tax at the point of sale. Any advice would be appreciated.

http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/sales.pdf Alaska, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire, Oregon

Also note, apparently some states don't charge tax if you're not registering in their state. Dealerships should know the rules for their state.

[rjmbc]

Does anyone know which states won't charge any state taxes?
I want to buy a new ininiti (Warranty is valid in Canada). I have a US driver's licence and a US address (so the dealers will sell it to me). I will import it directly to canada (and pay duty, RIV, Taxes, etcc). I"d like to avoid paying the state tax at the point of sale. Any advice would be appreciated.

Montana, Oregon, Alaska out west and New Hampshire (I believe) in the east.

[mangoman]

No, that's incorrect - for myself, I was able to go the closest DMV (Ogdensburg for me), and paid $10 for the permit (just showed my bill of sale/title from Florida).


Can anyone confirm if this is the case? I am having a car shipped from Florida to Buffalo, NY. I cannot get a temp tag from Florida without paying state tax, so I was planning to get a NY state "Interstate In-Transit Permit" to drive the car from Buffalo to the border. Is it true that NY DMV won't issue one to me if the car wasn't purchased in NY?

Thanks.

[extraleanham]

Really? A thread with nearly 4.5 million views and 18,000 posts should be "Locked" because I made a mistake? I prefaced my reply with "From what I understand", because in the 2 states that I researched, Florida and California, that is the case. Sorry I was wrong and thank you for enlightening us on Washington State's policy. Chill. It's an internet forum, not Legal Aid's website.

not referring to you. finding info in this thread is like finding needle in hay stack and 90percent of info is incorrect or applies to the east. even the wiki link is dead and op has not bothered to update first page. not to mention that it is ten times harder to do than people are saying. tags in two countries. expensive temporary insurance. aircare. federal safety test. provincial safety test. state tax issues. duty on non northamerican cars. new running lights, bumpers, child restraints, etc, only certain custom location do it, private brokers at canada customs.

[freewheel]

not referring to you. finding info in this thread is like finding needle in hay stack and 90percent of info is incorrect or applies to the east. even the wiki link is dead and op has not bothered to update first page. not to mention that it is ten times harder to do than people are saying. tags in two countries. expensive temporary insurance. aircare. federal safety test. provincial safety test. state tax issues. duty on non northamerican cars. new running lights, bumpers, child restraints, etc, only certain custom location do it, private brokers at canada customs.

Wow, that post really surprises me. This thread has helped hundreds of people, myself included, save thousands of dollars on car purchases.

I guess there will always be those people who think it's not worth the hassle. that's probably a big reason that Canadian car dealers prices are still thousands higher than in the U.S. It really isn't all that hard. A day's work to save $14,000 for me.

Just because you don't find this thread helpful, don't crap on it for the rest of us. Just don't bother reading it.

Thanks again Monsiuermaggot for starting it all.

[bertam2]

Hello everyone,
Been spending a lot of time reading thru the posts but have yet to locate an answer for my situation. So thanks in advance to anyone who can offer assistance. I am looking to import a 2010 Honda Odyssey EXL-RES as soon as possible but am encountering similar responses from dealers from Buffalo through Virginia (ie. not willing to sell to Canadians). If anyone knows of a willing dealer anywhere in the US, I would more than appreciate getting a contact (feel free to PM me). As a matter of reference, I would be driving it back to Toronto.

[diigii]

Does anyone know which states won't charge any state taxes?
I want to buy a new ininiti (Warranty is valid in Canada). I have a US driver's licence and a US address (so the dealers will sell it to me). I will import it directly to canada (and pay duty, RIV, Taxes, etcc). I"d like to avoid paying the state tax at the point of sale. Any advice would be appreciated.


Montana, Oregon, Alaska out west and New Hampshire (I believe) in the east.

Maryland as well. I like it too that Maryland and a host of other states have a lemon law on cars. So you are protected by law if you are unlucky to have gotten such lemon car.

[Braude]

Hello everyone,
Been spending a lot of time reading thru the posts but have yet to locate an answer for my situation. So thanks in advance to anyone who can offer assistance. I am looking to import a 2010 Honda Odyssey EXL-RES as soon as possible but am encountering similar responses from dealers from Buffalo through Virginia (ie. not willing to sell to Canadians). If anyone knows of a willing dealer anywhere in the US, I would more than appreciate getting a contact (feel free to PM me). As a matter of reference, I would be driving it back to Toronto.

I just asked Honda Canada about importing a car from the US and this is the response I got:

Good Afternoon xxxxxxx,

US Honda/Acura vehicle imported into Canada, still have factory warranty
coverage of it is done so by the American resident that purchased the
vehicle. The vehicle would have to be registered, insured, and plated in
the U.S.

If a US Honda/Acura vehicle is imported into Canada by a non-American
resident, then the warranty is not transferable. This type of vehicle is
commercially known as "grey market", and does not carry any warranty
coverage.


HONDA CANADA INC.

Lisa Best
Customer Relations Specialist

[Fate]

It's "grey market" because they know they're ripping off Canadian consumers and dont want you shopping south of the border. Buy it south of the border and get a 3rd party warranty, or choose a different make.

As for finding a Honda dealer south of the border that will sell to you, you'll need to be creative or dilligent. Dealers anywhere near the border have all been told "dont you dare sell to Canadians."

[Braude]

It's "grey market" because they know they're ripping off Canadian consumers and dont want you shopping south of the border. Buy it south of the border and get a 3rd party warranty, or choose a different make.

As for finding a Honda dealer south of the border that will sell to you, you'll need to be creative or dilligent. Dealers anywhere near the border have all been told "dont you dare sell to Canadians."

Agreed,

They make it difficult so they can pocket the extra money.

I believe the reason Porsche implemented a price reduction here in Canada, is that even a small percentage of Canadians buying in the US represent a large percentage of Porsche's sold, while if only a few Canadians buy from the larger volume manufacturers, it doesn't represent much.

It looks like you have the find the right car from the right manufacturer to make all of this work, and the thing is, 99% of Canadians will not go through any trouble to buy cross border, and most won't even consider it an option...

Someone should take out an add in the major papers in the auto section with the price savings and ways to go about doing it...

[hammer]

I just imported a lexus 2007 and have ontario plates now. Nowhere in the process did anyone ask for a "recall clearance letter". Further watch out when registering your car at the licensing office, they tried to tax me on the GST....I said "no thanks"and went to another licensing office. This is my second import and it is getting easier and easier. My exchange rate was 1.006.:lol::lol:

[extraleanham]

Having to pay gst on a used vehicle pretty much kills the deal for me. If you buy the used car in Canada privately, you DONT pay the gst. God, this thread is like a cult of the deluded.

[ozzy11118]

Extraleanham you must be a dealer so take off with all your negativity. I've personally gone down to the south and brought back a new Toyota in 2008 and haven't had a day that I regretted that move. I saved alot and yes it was easy. Just do a little research. Phone the RIV they are really helpful, talk to people that have done this before. They don't mind helping because someone helped them. Good Luck to all the deals seem to be coming back.

[Sloan55]

I have a funny situation here. Interested in a 2010 RAV4 Limited, looked on the RIV list (assuming everything was ok), and see that the 2010 RAV4 Sport and Base models are listed as admissible but that the Limited is not included. 2008 and 2009 Limiteds are ok though.

The funny part is though that it is also not listed in the inadmissible list. It is like it just doesn't exist.

Put a call into the RIV and Tranpsort Canada and both have no clue on why it is not there, they assume it is an oversight on Toyota's part.

What is my next step to confirm that this is ok to import? Should I phone Toyota US? Toyota Canada? I know I could probably get the vehicle in with no worries, but I don't want to take the chance that I meet up with some Canada Customs Border Guard that takes the list as the bible and won't let me in. Any advice would be appreciatated.

[Stock R]

I just asked Honda Canada about importing a car from the US and this is the response I got:

Good Afternoon xxxxxxx,

US Honda/Acura vehicle imported into Canada, still have factory warranty
coverage of it is done so by the American resident that purchased the
vehicle. The vehicle would have to be registered, insured, and plated in
the U.S.

If a US Honda/Acura vehicle is imported into Canada by a non-American
resident, then the warranty is not transferable. This type of vehicle is
commercially known as "grey market", and does not carry any warranty
coverage.


HONDA CANADA INC.

Lisa Best
Customer Relations Specialist


What email address did you send that to? I couldn't find one on their website.

[hooky]

Having to pay gst on a used vehicle pretty much kills the deal for me. If you buy the used car in Canada privately, you DONT pay the gst. God, this thread is like a cult of the deluded.

And if you wait past July 1st you WILL have to pay the gst as part of the new HST on a used car purchased privately.

[reddy54]

Been away from this thread since Jan 2008. Can anyone advise if Toyota new car guarantee on a car from the USA imported into Canada is still in effect?

[marklin]

Been away from this thread since Jan 2008. Can anyone advise if Toyota new car guarantee on a car from the USA imported into Canada is still in effect?

As of recent their warranty is still honored here (unless they changed their policy overnight :twisted:)

[nornet]

well its a bit far to be honest, but i got relative travelling soon ( they have a car trailer who would bring it for me)

the dealer is located in Florida(Yup that far down)

spoke to about 16 dealerships. none would sell except this one.

Doesn't Florida charge state tax?

[smacd]

Doesn't Florida charge state tax?

Not if you trailer or ship it out.

[smacd]

Having to pay gst on a used vehicle pretty much kills the deal for me. If you buy the used car in Canada privately, you DONT pay the gst. God, this thread is like a cult of the deluded.

Most of us saved a lot more than 5%!

[Fate]

Having to pay gst on a used vehicle pretty much kills the deal for me. If you buy the used car in Canada privately, you DONT pay the gst. God, this thread is like a cult of the deluded.

Let's take a look at the vehicle I'm likely going to buy, the Toyota Highlander. Was originally thinking new, but may end up buying used.

A used Highlander limited (2008 or newer) is 40-45k in western Canada and 30-35k in Oregon depending on options and mileage. Let's assume we pay middle of the road on each. In BC, you buy the used Highlander for $42.5k and then pay pst on that, costing you a total of $45.48k. I buy the used Highlander in Oregon, pay $32.5k. Let's add $500 for my travel to Oregon, $500 for time and gas to drive it back, $200 riv fee and another $300 miscellanious. That's a total of $34k, add in 7% pst, 5% gst and 6.1% duty on the $32.5 for a total cost of $39.88k.

I'm saving more than $5k buying used out of the US even after paying the GST that you're so worried about. Who's deluded?

[smacd]

Let's take a look at the vehicle I'm likely going to buy, the Toyota Highlander. Was originally thinking new, but may end up buying used.

A used Highlander limited (2008 or newer) is 40-45k in western Canada and 30-35k in Oregon depending on options and mileage. Let's assume we pay middle of the road on each. In BC, you buy the used Highlander for $42.5k and then pay pst on that, costing you a total of $43.57k. I buy the used Highlander in Oregon, pay $32.5k. Let's add $500 for my travel to Oregon, $500 for time and gas to drive it back, $200 riv fee and another $300 miscellanious. That's a total of $34k, add in 7% pst and 5% gst, my total cost is $38.08k.

I'm saving more than $5k buying used out of the US even after paying the GST that you're so worried about. Who's deluded?

Don't forget, Highlanders previous to 2010 are not built in NA, so there will be 6.1% duty also. In your numbers above, $42.5 + pst is $45,475

My trip to Oregon cost me $200 in flights, $65 hotel and $70 in gas and meals.

[Fate]

Don't forget, Highlanders previous to 2010 are not built in NA, so there will be 6.1% duty also. In your numbers above, $42.5 + pst is $45,475

My trip to Oregon cost me $200 in flights, $65 hotel and $70 in gas and meals.

Thanks! Fixed.

btw, who did you buy from? A dealer or privately? pm if you wish.

[diigii]

The Limited model is just probably the package of options they offer in the US but not offered here in Canada. So maybe compare the Limited model from the US website to the Canadian website and note the options being offered.


I have a funny situation here. Interested in a 2010 RAV4 Limited, looked on the RIV list (assuming everything was ok), and see that the 2010 RAV4 Sport and Base models are listed as admissible but that the Limited is not included. 2008 and 2009 Limiteds are ok though.

The funny part is though that it is also not listed in the inadmissible list. It is like it just doesn't exist.

Put a call into the RIV and Tranpsort Canada and both have no clue on why it is not there, they assume it is an oversight on Toyota's part.

What is my next step to confirm that this is ok to import? Should I phone Toyota US? Toyota Canada? I know I could probably get the vehicle in with no worries, but I don't want to take the chance that I meet up with some Canada Customs Border Guard that takes the list as the bible and won't let me in. Any advice would be appreciatated.

[extraleanham]

Let's take a look at the vehicle I'm likely going to buy, the Toyota Highlander. Was originally thinking new, but may end up buying used.

A used Highlander limited (2008 or newer) is 40-45k in western Canada and 30-35k in Oregon depending on options and mileage. Let's assume we pay middle of the road on each. In BC, you buy the used Highlander for $42.5k and then pay pst on that, costing you a total of $45.48k. I buy the used Highlander in Oregon, pay $32.5k. Let's add $500 for my travel to Oregon, $500 for time and gas to drive it back, $200 riv fee and another $300 miscellanious. That's a total of $34k, add in 7% pst, 5% gst and 6.1% duty on the $32.5 for a total cost of $39.88k.

I'm saving more than $5k buying used out of the US even after paying the GST that you're so worried about. Who's deluded?


It's very difficult to determine the value of a used car at any point in time.
the 5k saving could easily be the spread between bid and ask. also, saving 5K on a 40k purchase as a percent is not worth the risk.

[Acuratl]

It's very difficult to determine the value of a used car at any point in time.
the 5k saving could easily be the spread between bid and ask. also, saving 5K on a 40k purchase as a percent is not worth the risk.

agreed, not worth saving that sum. Also when he goes to resell that car he will lose more than 5K, US cars are worth considerably less in Canada.

IMO it's only worth it if the saving is right on 20+%

[skyfly]

Also when he goes to resell that car he will lose more than 5K
for reselling, how much would he lose if he'd have bought the car in Canada?
and how did you come up with the #5k?

[Monsieurmaggot]

for reselling, how much would he lose if he'd have bought the car in Canada?
and how did you come up with the #5k?

Remember this sounds like somethig a car dealer would tell you.

From the emails I receive (and I get hundreds a week), it appears that most people who sell their US cars in Canada DON'T take a hit on the resale value.

Clearly that's somehting a dealer or wholesaler will tell you.

As a buyer, I'm more concerned about mileage and how the car was maintained. My car is in pristine shape and I would get a premium for it. If I put my car up against it's Canadian cousin - with the exact same mileage, I guarantee that the one with the best maintenance records and cleaner interior would win hands down.

In my case, I have two-tone leather seats and other tidbits that weren't even available on the Canadian model.

Having said that, I could sell my US Subaru and advertise "very few kilometers on the odometer" and I would be correct.

[etcbq]

Agreed,
I believe the reason Porsche implemented a price reduction here in Canada, is that even a small percentage of Canadians buying in the US represent a large percentage of Porsche's sold, while if only a few Canadians buy from the larger volume manufacturers, it doesn't represent much.

It looks like you have the find the right car from the right manufacturer to make all of this work, and the thing is, 99% of Canadians will not go through any trouble to buy cross border, and most won't even consider it an option...


Really? So does this mean I should buy my Porsche in Canada instead?

[yu130960]

It's very difficult to determine the value of a used car at any point in time.
the 5k saving could easily be the spread between bid and ask. also, saving 5K on a 40k purchase as a percent is not worth the risk.

Are they laying people off at your dealership?

[petaling108]

are they laying people off at your dealership?

+1

[Braude]

Really? So does this mean I should buy my Porsche in Canada instead?

Nope, they just threw a bone.

Still better off to go to the US. It was just their way of acknowledging some of the price difference, yet shows that many manufacturers are making a ton off the the new exchange and are offering nothing to us.

I don't think that the pricing here should be exactly the same, as there are some variables that make it more costly to do business here in Canada, yet pricing should be close.

Yet it's the same with any retail item here. Why would they change their pricing if they can make more of a profit? To be fair, g-d forbid...

[extraleanham]

Are they laying people off at your dealership?


that would explain why I talk so much about coupons on rfd.

[extraleanham]

agreed, not worth saving that sum. Also when he goes to resell that car he will lose more than 5K, US cars are worth considerably less in Canada.

IMO it's only worth it if the saving is right on 20+%

Good point. I'm in the process of buying a used car in Canada. I'm sure a rebuilt, imported american, or quebec car might be a great deal sometimes but I dont even consider these cars because buying a used car is already complicated/risky enough.

[tomw]

are they laying people off at your dealership?

+1

[freewheel]

Good point. I'm in the process of buying a used car in Canada. I'm sure a rebuilt, imported american, or quebec car might be a great deal sometimes but I dont even consider these cars because buying a used car is already complicated/risky enough.

So if you go to a used car lot and look at 2 identical cars. Your mechanic looks them both over and says they're both in great shape.

One of the cars has been imported from the U.S. and is priced $5,000 less than the exact same Canadian car.

Which one would you buy?

And how ould you recognize a "quebec car"?

[evolutionXI]

on ebay motors...i offered on mitsubishi evolution 9 and to my suprise my offer was acceptted. So i'm kinda scared because the car is kinda modded like the air intake, suspensions etc.

So my question is can it still be imported?

[Tychicum]

on ebay motors...i offered on mitsubishi evolution 9 and to my suprise my offer was acceptted. So i'm kinda scared because the car is kinda modded like the air intake, suspensions etc.

So my question is can it still be imported? If you take it to Canadian Tire for the required Federal Government inspection ... unless it is currently on fire ... it will pass their test. They are so lame and are paid on a flat rate which you pay at the border not to CT. Not to worry. You will need to get daytime driving lights fixed up but that is about all.

If it has to go (primarily because of age) to a Provincial inspection they will find several hundred dollars of work maintenance work they need to do (that is not actually required) and make you do it before they sign off on the form for provincial licensing (it seems to me to be pretty much a scam).
:(

[CalgaryJeremyK]

So if you go to a used car lot and look at 2 identical cars. Your mechanic looks them both over and says they're both in great shape.

One of the cars has been imported from the U.S. and is priced $5,000 less than the exact same Canadian car.

Which one would you buy?

And how ould you recognize a "quebec car"?

If it's on a 35,000 used car I would spend the extra 5k for the Canadian car. It its between 10k and 15k I'd go for the US car. I am a big proponent of importing when it makes sense, but I agree with some of the other posters here that 5k isn't enough for me to consider importing and I do believe you will receive a lower price when it comes to sell a US car. (People have been scared by dealers so they will discount the liklihood of potential warranty remaining, even if educated consumers like us know certain brands honor the warranty). Further, who wouldn't prefer to have an instrument cluster in KMs? Lastly, there is more fear that the car could have had an unknown past, even if you're buying from the original importer.

[canabiz]

I was toying with the idea of buying a new car in the States, as evident in some of my earlier posts asking for additional info but in the end I picked up a Nissan X-Trail 2006 SE yesterday, for a fraction of the cost of either buying new (major brands) in Canada/States or buying a more well-known brand for the same compact SUV category (think CR-V/RAV4) used here in Canada or in the States.

I had it inspected in the shop by my mechanic and also ordered a CarProof report and everything checked out fine. I suppose the same should be done if you plan to buy a used car in the States.

I would rather use the difference on my mortgage or pay down other debts. It is a personal choice and I am not here to debate the merits of buying new vs. used. I do agree with CalgaryJeremyK's post right above me in the sense that consumers are more educated these days. If you import your cars from the States and plan to sell them at an inflated price a few years down the road, be prepared to deal with serious hagglers. Everyone deserves to make a buck but people know.

I would just like to thank everyone for your informative posts and I wish you all the best in your journey to save some coins. I will continue to monitor this thread with interest and may just pull the trigger on a *new* car in the future.

Cheers!

[freewheel]

If it's on a 35,000 used car I would spend the extra 5k for the Canadian car. It its between 10k and 15k I'd go for the US car. I am a big proponent of importing when it makes sense, but I agree with some of the other posters here that 5k isn't enough for me to consider importing and I do believe you will receive a lower price when it comes to sell a US car. (People have been scared by dealers so they will discount the liklihood of potential warranty remaining, even if educated consumers like us know certain brands honor the warranty). Further, who wouldn't prefer to have an instrument cluster in KMs? Lastly, there is more fear that the car could have had an unknown past, even if you're buying from the original importer.

And that pretty much sums up why we will always pay more for cars in Canada, because we're willing to pay.

I said the cars were IDENTICAL, and you are willing to pay $5,000 for a speedometer in km? I wish I had your money.

[bargain_deal]

+1. i am willing to go with 2k even.


And that pretty much sums up why we will always pay more for cars in Canada, because we're willing to pay.

I said the cars were IDENTICAL, and you are willing to pay $5,000 for a speedometer in km? I wish I had your money.

[riffr aff]

een bid and ask. also, saving 5K on a 40k purchase as a percent is not worth the risk.

how is saying 12.5% not worth it?

when the Cdn stealerships mark their cars DOWN 12%, and i'm paying 0.5% more, then i'll consider buying in CDA. until then, screw the stealerships that have been screwing us, for decades.

[riffr aff]

agreed, not worth saving that sum. Also when he goes to resell that car he will lose more than 5K, US cars are worth considerably less in Canada.

IMO it's only worth it if the saving is right on 20+%

perhaps, if you happen to be one of the idiots out there who turns their car over every 3-4 yrs. You lose so much driving it off the lot your resale breaking point is more like 7-8 yrs. For those of us who buy a car and use it for prolonged periods, that $5k makes total sense. That's 12.5%.

Also, with the MASS number of imports coming in past, and coming years - the market will likely change regarding resale.

But then, it seems you believe what the stealerships tell you. That being said, I have a few sq ft on the moon I can sell you for $100k, if you're interested. Prime real estate - ask a realator! They tell you the truth all the time too.

[Acuratl]

perhaps, if you happen to be one of the idiots out there who turns their car over every 3-4 yrs. You lose so much driving it off the lot your resale breaking point is more like 7-8 yrs. For those of us who buy a car and use it for prolonged periods, that $5k makes total sense. That's 12.5%.

Also, with the MASS number of imports coming in past, and coming years - the market will likely change regarding resale.

But then, it seems you believe what the stealerships tell you. That being said, I have a few sq ft on the moon I can sell you for $100k, if you're interested. Prime real estate - ask a realator! They tell you the truth all the time too.

well some people like driving new cars and they can afford it, i agree the best thing is buying a good car and driving it into the ground..

I'd advise everyone to look locally first for NON DEALER used cars kijiji or autotrader, cars aren't selling these days particularly due to economy and low US dollar, I'm trying to sell my 2006 odyssey which is off lease for a bargain price and still no offers...you guys may be surprised

[extraleanham]

well some people like driving new cars and they can afford it, i agree the best thing is buying a good car and driving it into the ground..

I'd advise everyone to look locally first for NON DEALER used cars kijiji or autotrader, cars aren't selling these days particularly due to economy and low US dollar, I'm trying to sell my 2006 odyssey which is off lease for a bargain price and still no offers...you guys may be surprised

there are no buyers or sellers in the winter.

[ipassgas]

I've worked out a deal to buy a brand new infiniti (using a US residence). Because the car was bought in a different state than where I reside, there will be no taxes at the time of purchase. As far as the dealership is concerned, they will sell me my car using my florida address on the invoice.

They will tell infiniti that the car is mine (with my florida address), to activate the Warranty. They will issure me a "manufacturer's certificate of origin", a "notarized bill of sale" an an "odometer milage statement".

Although technically, the dealership thinks I'm going to register the car in Florida, I won't. It will be trucked to the border and all the RIV stuff will be done (a broker will arrange all this).

Will this work? Am I missing something?

[HP_John]

I've worked out a deal to buy a brand new infiniti (using a US residence). Because the car was bought in a different state than where I reside, there will be no taxes at the time of purchase. As far as the dealership is concerned, they will sell me my car using my florida address on the invoice.

They will tell infiniti that the car is mine (with my florida address), to activate the Warranty. They will issure me a "manufacturer's certificate of origin", a "notarized bill of sale" an an "odometer milage statement".

Although technically, the dealership thinks I'm going to register the car in Florida, I won't. It will be trucked to the border and all the RIV stuff will be done (a broker will arrange all this).

Will this work? Am I missing something?

Did Infiniti change their policy? It used to be that any Cdn could buy a new Infiniti, & the whole US warranty was honoured in Canada with no issues. You didn't have to provide a US residence.

[HP_John]

how is saying 12.5% not worth it?

when the Cdn stealerships mark their cars DOWN 12%, and i'm paying 0.5% more, then i'll consider buying in CDA. until then, screw the stealerships that have been screwing us, for decades.

I agree that on many cars it's worth it to import. I will say however, that your expectations are unrealistic as it pertains to the dealer. Corporate charges Cdn dealers much more than they charge US dealers for the same car, you can't actually expect a Cdn dealer to sell it for the same price, they'd be losing $ if they price-matched US dealers. I would expect corporate to do more to get prices in line.

If a US dealer sells a car for $40 K, & a Cdn dealer sells the same car for $50 K, that isn't $10 K of extra profit a Cdn dealer made. The US dealer most definitely paid corporate a lot less for the same car than what the Cdn dealer had to pay.

[chenwaa123]

Having to pay gst on a used vehicle pretty much kills the deal for me. If you buy the used car in Canada privately, you DONT pay the gst. God, this thread is like a cult of the deluded.

Effective July 1, 2010 in B.C. there will be a tax on all used cars equal to 12% called the PVT which will run along side HST, so that arguement is only valid for a few more months :rolleyes:

Edit, it looks like Hooky beat me to it.

[ipassgas]

Did Infiniti change their policy? It used to be that any Cdn could buy a new Infiniti, & the whole US warranty was honoured in Canada with no issues. You didn't have to provide a US residence.

They didn't change their policy. I had to use my US residence to get the factory to dealer incentives. Using my canadaian address, I would have lost that (it would be charged back to the dealer if the car was exported),

[Dr.Evil]

I am still looking for a Ford dealer on the west coast or mid U.S to buy a ford f150 fx4 6.5 bed with luxury package and tow package,

[riffr aff]

I am still looking for a Ford dealer on the west coast or mid U.S to buy a ford f150 fx4 6.5 bed with luxury package and tow package,

if answers aren't forthcoming you'll need to spend an hour or two researching dealerships and firing them emails.

[riffr aff]

I agree that on many cars it's worth it to import. I will say however, that your expectations are unrealistic as it pertains to the dealer. Corporate charges Cdn dealers much more than they charge US dealers for the same car, you can't actually expect a Cdn dealer to sell it for the same price, they'd be losing $ if they price-matched US dealers. I would expect corporate to do more to get prices in line.

If a US dealer sells a car for $40 K, & a Cdn dealer sells the same car for $50 K, that isn't $10 K of extra profit a Cdn dealer made. The US dealer most definitely paid corporate a lot less for the same car than what the Cdn dealer had to pay.


Perhaps, HP_John - but i'm a consumer, and i'll be damned if i'm going to continue to prop up whatever "system" makes prices assinine in Canada when I have options. that's what RFD is all about right? deals, deals, deals --- and deals on major purchases, when our loonie is at par, aren't likely to be found on this side of the border.

[joleger]

Sorry if this question has been asked before....

If I buy a car in the US from a manufacturer that doesn't honor US warranties in Canada...can I still bring the car to a US dealer to receive warranty work?

Thanks

[shopper-X]

Sorry if this question has been asked before....

If I buy a car in the US from a manufacturer that doesn't honor US warranties in Canada...can I still bring the car to a US dealer to receive warranty work?

Thanks

Check out www.apa.ca (find the US Warranty link)

[joleger]

Thanks for the link.

I am actually looking at importing a used car with warranty remaining. Does anyone have any info(links etc) about how the warranties on imported used cars?

If it helps I am looking at importing a Mitsubishi Lancer.

Thanks

[shopper-X]

Thanks for the link.

I am actually looking at importing a used car with warranty remaining. Does anyone have any info(links etc) about how the warranties on imported used cars?

If it helps I am looking at importing a Mitsubishi Lancer.

Thanks

Same link for information for new and used.



MITSUBISHI
Mitsubishi Motor Sales of Canada
1-888-576-4878
2090 Matheson Blvd. E., Mississauga, ON, L4W 5P8

NO Warranty Coverage
No warranty coverage.

[joleger]

Same link for information for new and used.

Well the title for that link is
"Canadian Warranty information on new cars bought in the U.S."

I guess I still don't have an answer to my original question...

I understand that I most likely will not be able to get warranty coverage in Canada...but like most Canadians I live pretty close to the border. Driving to an American dealership wouldn't be that big of a deal.

Does anyone have any experience with importing a car and then taking it to a US dealer for warranty work?

[riffr aff]

Well the title for that link is
"Canadian Warranty information on new cars bought in the U.S."

I guess I still don't have an answer to my original question...

I understand that I most likely will not be able to get warranty coverage in Canada...but like most Canadians I live pretty close to the border. Driving to an American dealership wouldn't be that big of a deal.

Does anyone have any experience with importing a car and then taking it to a US dealer for warranty work?

i'm pretty sure it's been explained a lot in this thread.

Some manufacturers honour the warranty on both sides of the border (Toyota comes to mind)

Some manufacturers void the warranty the instant you import it (Honda comes to mind)

Some manufacturers have a hybrid thingy where you get the work done in Canada, then you apply to the US company for reimbursement (Subaru comes to mind)

If you can't find the info in this thread, or the apa link - go to the company website and look around. They will either have the info there, or, an email contact where you can pose the question for that manufacturer.

edit: if you take 1 minute to look at other manufacturers, you'll see conditions where a warranty will be honoured. Mitsubishi appears to have a blanket "NO WARRANTY", so i'd say your question is answered.

http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253#MITSUBISHI

[Braude]

I agree that on many cars it's worth it to import. I will say however, that your expectations are unrealistic as it pertains to the dealer. Corporate charges Cdn dealers much more than they charge US dealers for the same car, you can't actually expect a Cdn dealer to sell it for the same price, they'd be losing $ if they price-matched US dealers. I would expect corporate to do more to get prices in line.

If a US dealer sells a car for $40 K, & a Cdn dealer sells the same car for $50 K, that isn't $10 K of extra profit a Cdn dealer made. The US dealer most definitely paid corporate a lot less for the same car than what the Cdn dealer had to pay.

Then the Cdn dealers should boycott selling the cars.

Why should they pay more than what the American dealer is paying. If anything, they should be paying less, as it costs more to do business here in Canada.

If I'm selling t-Shirts here in Canada, I can buy the T-shirt from the US or Overseas, just like any American T-Shirt seller and make more profit when the CND dollar is stronger or sell the shirts for less if I choose.

I can't see how the CDN dealers would put up with paying more for the same car than American dealer, knowing that the manufacturer is just pocketing the extra cash. They should be livid. They can get way more sales done and even make a little extra.

Someone is making extra off of the exchange and we are getting ripped off as usual.

It's just too bad that it's such a hastle to get a car in the US and that it's not possible to lease one.

Like I've said before, the next time I need to shop for clothing and other "easy" items to buy, I'll be heading with the family to Buffalo to do so, yet buying a car in the US is a Hastle and some manufacturers make it very difficult to do so, and it's because they want the extra cash...

If I was a CDN dealer and had to pay more, I would be busting down the manufacturers door demanding a price adjustment...

[HP_John]

Perhaps, HP_John - but i'm a consumer, and i'll be damned if i'm going to continue to prop up whatever "system" makes prices assinine in Canada when I have options. that's what RFD is all about right? deals, deals, deals --- and deals on major purchases, when our loonie is at par, aren't likely to be found on this side of the border.

I completely agree about not buying in Canada when it just doesn't make sense financially. All I'm saying is a lot of consumers seem to let the manufacturer off the hook, when they're the ones who choose to sell to certain countries for less or more.

[HP_John]

Then the Cdn dealers should boycott selling the cars.

Why should they pay more than what the American dealer is paying. If anything, they should be paying less, as it costs more to do business here in Canada.

If I'm selling t-Shirts here in Canada, I can buy the T-shirt from the US or Overseas, just like any American T-Shirt seller and make more profit when the CND dollar is stronger or sell the shirts for less if I choose.

I can't see how the CDN dealers would put up with paying more for the same car than American dealer, knowing that the manufacturer is just pocketing the extra cash. They should be livid. They can get way more sales done and even make a little extra.

Someone is making extra off of the exchange and we are getting ripped off as usual.

It's just too bad that it's such a hastle to get a car in the US and that it's not possible to lease one.

Like I've said before, the next time I need to shop for clothing and other "easy" items to buy, I'll be heading with the family to Buffalo to do so, yet buying a car in the US is a Hastle and some manufacturers make it very difficult to do so, and it's because they want the extra cash...

If I was a CDN dealer and had to pay more, I would be busting down the manufacturers door demanding a price adjustment...

Cdn dealers aren't going to boycott selling cars, it's important for them to keep selling them if they can. Even at par, many Cdns do still buy in Canada (I would buy in the US if the gap is big, so I do support importing). It's not just cars, but for many items that at parity, Cdn retailers pay more for than their US counterparts. It really isn't fair but if Cdns continue buying, then the manufacturer has little incentive to change things

[Braude]

Cdn dealers aren't going to boycott selling cars, it's important for them to keep selling them if they can. Even at par, many Cdns do still buy in Canada (I would buy in the US if the gap is big, so I do support importing). It's not just cars, but for many items that at parity, Cdn retailers pay more for than their US counterparts.


I was being dramatic when I said that they should boycott selling cars, as they wont, yet I would think that they are pushing for better pricing, or they are partners in crime and splitting the difference.

I agree that we get shafted on almost every retail item, yet I don't agree that CDN retailers pay more for products.

My company re-sells many products that we can either buy in the US or Canada. We would rather buy the items in Canada, yet usually the items are less to purchase in the US and they don't charge us extra or make us pay "Canadian" pricing because we are in Canada, we pay the same as any other company in the US.... When our dollar gets stronger, we are able to get more profit from buying in the US. If the car manufacturer can sell a car to a US dealer for a certain amount, then how do they expect to justify selling it for more to the CDN dealer.

Last time the dollar was at par, I went into golf town and told them to match the American Pricing or I would go to Buffalo to buy, so they matched it, because they buy it from American companies or overseas companies that tie their currency to the US dollar. Why would it be different for Canadian Car dealers. They should then just transfer all of the purchasing cash into US funds and tell the manufacturer to sell them in US funds.

Just because there is a Honda "Canada" or Toyota "Canada" doesn't mean that it's an excuse to tell CDN dealers to pay "Canadian" pricing. There is not one reason when the dollar is at par, not to sell them the cars for the same as they do to the US dealers.

Or for CND dealers to always simply pay in US funds and move with the currency changes..

It's a scam and we have no choice, except to go the US when the difference is warranted, yet almost no on will do this.

[slimym]

does anyone know any reputable or have had good experiences with an importer or broker?

[diigii]

I just like to veer away from importing cars a bit and mentioned about other stuff too that affect our buying power here in Canada.

Me and my wife have basically stopped shopping here in Canada, except for basic groceries and stuff that we can't delay for our next US trip. And now that we have a baby, just imagine how we are being gouged too for diapers, strollers and baby clothes. Only the infant car seat was bought here because a US-bought car seat will be confiscated by Canada Customs since it's not "Canada-certified."

So yeah, we haven't stepped inside the floors of Eaton Center, Scarborough Town Center, Vaughn Mills, Square One and Sherway Gardens that much since 2005. But I can say that we've been regulars at Niagara Falls Outlet, Grove City in PA, Pep Boys, Autozone or Napa and various Walmart's in the US because it just so damned cheaper. And I'm not sorry for one bit because I don't have much money to give to commercial bullies here. Here's an example: In-cabin microfilter for my 2007 Nissan Altima. Here in Canada, it costs about $25 from Canadian Tire. I haven't checked from a Canadian Nissan dealership but I'm sure it'll be around that price too. The same OEM filter from a US Nissan dealership only costs $10. So would you believe when a Canadian dealership says they deliver value-service to their clients?

And now my brother and brother-in-law have solicited my help in buying their next cars in the US this year since I have the painless experience already.

[CalgaryJeremyK]

There is not one reason when the dollar is at par, not to sell them the cars for the same as they do to the US dealers.


This is naive. We do need a market in Canada that is decoupled from the US otherwise people would base their purchasing decisions based on currency rates upsetting the market. Think how mad consumers would be if they bought a new car on Monday for $30,000 only to find out that their car sold for $26,000 on Friday because of currency movements.

That being said, for those consumers willing to make the trip, it should be illegal for there to be restrictions on sales to canadians. Also all warranties should be valid across the border.

I still don't think that the 30% difference we see on high end vehicles is justified but 10-15% based on recent currency rates probably is.

[killbillvol1]

+1

Same here, besides the service and selection is miles better. There is no reason a metro like Toronto has bloated pricing.

Btw, from what i have heard a membership to BJ's wholesale is great for baby stuff. And yes, totally agreed about the car parts - had my side window smashed on my pathfinder by thieves.

Brampton North Nissan wanted $802+taxes. Same exact part, installed at Niagara Nissan in Tonawanda (between Niagara Falls, NY and Buffalo) was $180 US.

Seriously, WTF.


I just like to veer away from importing cars a bit and mentioned about other stuff too that affect our buying power here in Canada.

Me and my wife have basically stopped shopping here in Canada, except for basic groceries and stuff that we can't delay for our next US trip. And now that we have a baby, just imagine how we are being gouged too for diapers, strollers and baby clothes. Only the infant car seat was bought here because a US-bought car seat will be confiscated by Canada Customs since it's not "Canada-certified."

So yeah, we haven't stepped inside the floors of Eaton Center, Scarborough Town Center, Vaughn Mills, Square One and Sherway Gardens that much since 2005. But I can say that we've been regulars at Niagara Falls Outlet, Grove City in PA, Pep Boys, Autozone or Napa and various Walmart's in the US because it just so damned cheaper. And I'm not sorry for one bit because I don't have much money to give to commercial bullies here. Here's an example: In-cabin microfilter for my 2007 Nissan Altima. Here in Canada, it costs about $25 from Canadian Tire. I haven't checked from a Canadian Nissan dealership but I'm sure it'll be around that price too. The same OEM filter from a US Nissan dealership only costs $10. So would you believe when a Canadian dealership says they deliver value-service to their clients?

And now my brother and brother-in-law have solicited my help in buying their next cars in the US this year since I have the painless experience already.

[Marzipan]

Me and my wife have basically stopped shopping here in Canada, except for basic groceries and stuff that we can't delay for our next US trip. And now that we have a baby, just imagine how we are being gouged too for diapers, strollers and baby clothes.

I bet they didn't go to the US for child birth services!!!

[Braude]

This is naive. We do need a market in Canada that is decoupled from the US otherwise people would base their purchasing decisions based on currency rates upsetting the market. Think how mad consumers would be if they bought a new car on Monday for $30,000 only to find out that their car sold for $26,000 on Friday because of currency movements.

That being said, for those consumers willing to make the trip, it should be illegal for there to be restrictions on sales to Canadians. Also all warranties should be valid across the border.

I still don't think that the 30% difference we see on high end vehicles is justified but 10-15% based on recent currency rates probably is.

True,

Yet this doesn't mean that a Canadian car dealership should pay more then what an American Car dealership pays when the dollar is at par, or if they choose to buy in US funds...

I'm also not expecting that the MSRP be the same, as it costs more for dealerships and for Honda (or other manufacturer) "Canada" to operate here in Canada. Yet once that difference is taken into account, the pricing should be much closer and the difference should be a consistent percentage difference on a car values. "High" or "low" end...

So, I still can't believe that the Manufacturers would sell a Canadian Car dealer a car for more than they sell it to an American Dealership. How can they do that? Especially if a dealership in Canada offers to pay in American Dollars.

It would make more sense for a Canadian car dealership to go and buy the higher end cars at US dealerships themselves and re-sell them here, they would make more money than paying the "Canadian" invoice price from the manufacturer..:confused:

Someone is pocketing the extra cash and yes, we can save on a variety of items by shopping across the border, yet most of those purchases are easy items, like clothing (which can sometimes even be exchanged here in Canada) or other items that do not need constant worry, insurance, maintenance issues, licensing, etc...

If a car was as easy to buy and not worry about as a handbag that you can save 30% on, then we would ALL do it. And why do the manufactures make it so difficult? Because the Canadian car market is now a cash cow for them.

Once a manufacturer sees a certain percentage of sales go to the US, they will do some price adjustment (yes, they will never have the same pricing) yet they will give some relief to justify purchasing at a Canadian car dealership. This is what Porsche did, and although the decrease was not that much, it just shows that they have a lot of room to work with.

Why did Porsche do it and not Lexus or Mercedes? Because even a few Porsche's bought in the US represents a decent percentage of their Canadian sales, yet it takes A LOT of Lexuses bought in the US to show a difference.

I'm not asking for Parity MSRP, just something much closer than it is right now..

Yet I can say the same about almost every retail item, yet 30% of a $ 50 shirt and 30% a 50,000 car is a bit of a difference.

Canadian retailers should come up with a formula that allows for the extra costs of doing business in Canada, including reduced volume, add that to the US pricing and maybe even an extra percentage point or 2 and then sell us the goods at that pricing to make it fair, yet this is a pipe dream..

[Lame1]

The most important tenet in any profitable business is to charge the highest price the market will bear. In economic turndowns, it is common to see price adjustments that either lower the retail cost, or appear to do so by utilizing tactics that lead the consumer to perceive they are getting added value. This can be in the form of mail-in rebates, 0% financing, loyalty rewards or other such strategies. When corporations are flush with strong sales, these incentives diminish. The Canadian auto market has been uncompetitive compared with the US market for many years simply because it did not have to compete with them. NAFTA, the strong CAD$ and the burgeoning use of the Internet to easily disseminate information and anecdotal experience has begun to change the Canadian marketplace. Canadian retailers, especially those in cities and towns within easy driving distance of the US, must now come to terms with the reality that they are forced to compete with American businesses. The incentive to do so is heightened when sales numbers begin to recede and gross income erodes with lower percentages in the double digits. I live in Argentina for part of the year where import taxes are so prohibitively high that the greatest percentage of automobiles sold are built in Argentina or MERCOSUR countries, the South American version of NAFTA. Volkswagen, Ford, Peugeot, Citroen, Renault, Fiat, Honda, Seat and others have plants in the region providing vehicles that avoid the import tariffs. Prices are more thus more affordable and most imports are considered prestigious and are purchased primarily by the wealthy. Subarus and Mazdas are not built locally and a Subaru Tribeca, for example, is listed at $67,000.00 USD MSRP, with very little negotiated wiggle room due to the elevated price being mainly government taxes and tariffs.

[jed]

Then the Cdn dealers should boycott selling the cars.

Why should they pay more than what the American dealer is paying. If anything, they should be paying less, as it costs more to do business here in Canada.

If I'm selling t-Shirts here in Canada, I can buy the T-shirt from the US or Overseas, just like any American T-Shirt seller and make more profit when the CND dollar is stronger or sell the shirts for less if I choose.

I can't see how the CDN dealers would put up with paying more for the same car than American dealer, knowing that the manufacturer is just pocketing the extra cash. They should be livid. They can get way more sales done and even make a little extra.

Someone is making extra off of the exchange and we are getting ripped off as usual.

It's just too bad that it's such a hastle to get a car in the US and that it's not possible to lease one.

Like I've said before, the next time I need to shop for clothing and other "easy" items to buy, I'll be heading with the family to Buffalo to do so, yet buying a car in the US is a Hastle and some manufacturers make it very difficult to do so, and it's because they want the extra cash...

If I was a CDN dealer and had to pay more, I would be busting down the manufacturers door demanding a price adjustment...

Demand all you like, but unless every dealer in Canada gets together to do this, nothing would change. These guys have some major bills to pay every month so they don't have much choice but to buy from the manufacturer. Theres all kinds of softwares, parts specials, etc that the manufacturer can hold back from the dealership (I'm paraphrasing) in order to get them to play.

[Braude]

Demand all you like, but unless every dealer in Canada gets together to do this, nothing would change. These guys have some major bills to pay every month so they don't have much choice but to buy from the manufacturer. Theres all kinds of softwares, parts specials, etc that the manufacturer can hold back from the dealership (I'm paraphrasing) in order to get them to play.

You are 100% right, and that's the problem.

Yet how unfair is it, that the dollar store here can buy a toy for the same price that a dollar store in the US can, yet a car dealer here has to pay more for the same car that an an American dealer does...:confused:

The manufacturer is not giving the dealer any price break?

Forget about a class action law suit from the consumers here to charge the manufacturers with price fixing, wouldn't the dealers here get together to sue the manufacturers for charging more?

Yet here is a quick question which might make a difference and I'm not sure if anyone can answer.

Between the higher cost of doing business here, (higher wages, higher taxes) the fact that the manufacturers have to produce less "Canadian" cars (KM speedometers, child latch systems, headlight differences) which may cost more to produce on a smaller scale and that they do not sell as many cars here as in the US (they have to make more per car here to be profitable) What does all that add up to? IS the difference actually justified?

[ipassgas]

I just like to veer away from importing cars a bit and mentioned about other stuff too that affect our buying power here in Canada.

Me and my wife have basically stopped shopping here in Canada, except for basic groceries and stuff that we can't delay for our next US trip. And now that we have a baby, just imagine how we are being gouged too for diapers, strollers and baby clothes. Only the infant car seat was bought here because a US-bought car seat will be confiscated by Canada Customs since it's not "Canada-certified."

So yeah, we haven't stepped inside the floors of Eaton Center, Scarborough Town Center, Vaughn Mills, Square One and Sherway Gardens that much since 2005. But I can say that we've been regulars at Niagara Falls Outlet, Grove City in PA, Pep Boys, Autozone or Napa and various Walmart's in the US because it just so damned cheaper. And I'm not sorry for one bit because I don't have much money to give to commercial bullies here. Here's an example: In-cabin microfilter for my 2007 Nissan Altima. Here in Canada, it costs about $25 from Canadian Tire. I haven't checked from a Canadian Nissan dealership but I'm sure it'll be around that price too. The same OEM filter from a US Nissan dealership only costs $10. So would you believe when a Canadian dealership says they deliver value-service to their clients?

And now my brother and brother-in-law have solicited my help in buying their next cars in the US this year since I have the painless experience already.

Like diggi, I buy almost NOTHING in Canada. It infuriates me to pay the outrageous prices when it's very easy to shop in the states. BUT.... Yorkdale is PACKED, so are the other malls. Full of teens with bags, full of families. I just smirk and laugh at them, but until they stop shopping and spending money, then I don't blame the Canadian retailers for continuing to charge what the market will bear.... I would if I was a retailer.... It's the average Canadian who needs a wake up call, not the retailers.

[diigii]

Thanks for reminding me about dealership service here. When I went to a Scarborough-area dealership for my car's daytime running lights modifications, they wanted $450 for the labor and installation. I asked them what type of work it involves and was told that they "install a DRL module in the engine compartment and have to rip off the whole dashboard so they can access the module." I said no thanks. Then, I remember I asked a member here who said to go to Mike Barney Nissan in Niagara Falls, NY and they will do it for just $150, minus ripping the whole dashboard because it can be programmed the OBD module. So why would I trust a Canadian dealership with my US-bought car???


+1

Same here, besides the service and selection is miles better. There is no reason a metro like Toronto has bloated pricing.

Btw, from what i have heard a membership to BJ's wholesale is great for baby stuff. And yes, totally agreed about the car parts - had my side window smashed on my pathfinder by thieves.

Brampton North Nissan wanted $802+taxes. Same exact part, installed at Niagara Nissan in Tonawanda (between Niagara Falls, NY and Buffalo) was $180 US.

Seriously, WTF.

[diigii]

Now you're talking about US politics where they choose the multi-billion dollar defense budget rather than funding healthcare for a fraction of the cost. Canada chose a sensible government program to provide healthcare for its citizens like what other European nations did. So be thankful you're not paying thru the nose for healthcare.

Why not rail about our ineffective and toothless Competition Bureau instead so consumers will have a say in the marketplace. I'm very sure you also go where you can save tons of money for your everyday needs.


I bet they didn't go to the US for child birth services!!!

[Tharnax]

It's too bad that vehicles more specifically auto manufactures continue to be the most "picked on" when it comes the discrepancy between US and CDN prices, especially when the dollar is at par. There are tons of companies out there who are gouging Canadians and seem to refuse to adjust their pricing in relation to currency fluctuation.

Take Microsoft, for example, say you want to upgrade your version of Windows 7 Home Premium to Windows 7 Professional. If you go to buy the anytime/anywhere upgrade key from Microsoft site in the US you would pay $89US for the upgrade, however, in Canada you pay $130 for the same upgrade that's a 45% markup purely for exchange :mad: You cannot tell me there is a difference between Windows 7 CDN & Windows 7 US to justify a 45% markup! What's worse is, you cannot just agree to pay the US price as they require your address to place the order and as soon as you put in a CDN address it automatically charges you the CDN price. I wasn't even ordering a disk or any type of material product, I just wanted to buy a Windows 7 Pro activation key! Something that would be emailed to me. A stupid 25 letter/number code they wanted 45% more for in Canada then in the US. Needless to say I'm not upgrading.

Another example: Home flooring We are doing a renovation and require 3600sqft of laminate flooring. MSRP for the flooring we decided on is over $7 per sqft, with the volume of flooring we require we were able to get a Canadian dealer down to their actual cost to get the flooring, they aren't making anything just getting volume through their store. Their cost $2.99 sqft. Price were getting for the same flooring in the US, with little to no negotiation is $2.49sqft. On 3600 sqft that's an $1800 savings (before taxes)!!! Needless to say, we suggested the CDN flooring company start buying their flooring from the US and not through their CDN distributor.

I've also helped family purchase or purchased the following vehicles savings thousands of $$$.

Used 04 RX-8 2008 - saved: $6000
Used 07 Trailblazer SS 2008 - saved: $15000
New 08 Highlander Hybrid 2008 - saved: $10000
Used 04 PT Cruiser Turbo 2006 - saved: $5000
Used 07 Enclosed Pace Trailer 2009 - saved: $3500
Total Savings: $39500

Therefore, it's not just auto manufactures who are screwing us over, percentage wise they are actually gouging us less then other companies. So I can definitely understand why more and more people are making the trip down south to do a majority of their shopping.

[shopper-X]

Via Sympatico.ca:
'Foreign' cars you didn't know were built in North America (http://autos.sympatico.ca/photos-videos/3709/foreign-cars-you-didnt-know-were-built-in-north-america/1)

Happy duty-free shopping ;)

Acura
Canada: CSX, MDX
USA: RDX, TL

BMW
USA: X5, X6

Honda
Canada: Civic sedan / Coupe / Si
USA: Accord, CR-V, Civic sedan, Element, Odyssey, Pilot, Ridgeline
Mexico: Additional CR-V production

Hyundai
USA: Santa Fe, Sonata

Infiniti
USA: QX56

Lexus
Canada: RX350

Mazda
USA: Mazda 6, Tribute

Mercedes-Benz
USA: GL-Class, ML-Class, R-Class

Mitsubishi
USA: Eclipse / Eclipse Spyder, Endeavor, Galant

Nissan
USA: Altima, Frontier, Maxima, Pathfinder, Quest, Titan, Xterra.
Mexico: Sentra, Versa

Subaru
USA: Legacy, Outback, Tribeca

Suzuki
USA: Equator

Toyota
Canada: Corolla, Matrix, RAV4
USA: Avalon, Camry / Camry Hybrid, Sequoia, Sienna, Tacoma, Tundra, Venza
Mexico: Additional Tacoma production

Volkswagen
USA: Routan
Mexico: New Beetle, Jetta, Jetta Wagon

[Braude]

Via Sympatico.ca:
'Foreign' cars you didn't know were built in North America (http://autos.sympatico.ca/photos-videos/3709/foreign-cars-you-didnt-know-were-built-in-north-america/1)

Happy duty-free shopping ;)

Acura
Canada: CSX, MDX
USA: RDX, TL

BMW
USA: X5, X6

Honda
Canada: Civic sedan / Coupe / Si
USA: Accord, CR-V, Civic sedan, Element, Odyssey, Pilot, Ridgeline
Mexico: Additional CR-V production

Hyundai
USA: Santa Fe, Sonata

Infiniti
USA: QX56
Lexus
Canada: RX350

Mazda
USA: Mazda 6, Tribute

Mercedes-Benz
USA: GL-Class, ML-Class, R-Class

Mitsubishi
USA: Eclipse / Eclipse Spyder, Endeavor, Galant

Nissan
USA: Altima, Frontier, Maxima, Pathfinder, Quest, Titan, Xterra.
Mexico: Sentra, Versa

Subaru
USA: Legacy, Outback, Tribeca

Suzuki
USA: Equator

Toyota
Canada: Corolla, Matrix, RAV4
USA: Avalon, Camry / Camry Hybrid, Sequoia, Sienna, Tacoma, Tundra, Venza
Mexico: Additional Tacoma production

Volkswagen
USA: Routan
Mexico: New Beetle, Jetta, Jetta Wagon

Yup,

Paying the same freight on an MDX made here and a G37x made in Japan makes A LOT of sense.... ;) (well, dollars and cents for the manufacturer that is...) ;)

[boobou69]

Hey guys,

looking at buying a 2011 Sorento in USA, I know the guarantee is non transferrable, i have consulted the RIV and it is admissible, however, where do i find out EXACTLY what modifications need to be done, and where to have them done (i.e. Daytime running lights) I called a Kia dealer in mOntreal, and of course he was of absolutely no use....(why would he help someone who is nuying a Sorento from somewhere else!)

thanks

Boobou69

[vw_michael]

Here is the situation:

- Buying a used car in Florida
- Selling dealer needs to ship the car using a carrier to a "port of exit" i.e. the border, otherwise I have to pay Florida tax
- I'm specifically looking at Ogdensburg, NY or Alexandria, NY as the ports of exit

Question:
- Do all ports of exit accept shipments?
- How much does parking there cost, per day? How long can they keep it?
- Can I drive the car out or does it have to be towed via the border?
- Who keeps the keys? (I guess the US border agents)
- Has anyone done this or am I screwing myself here?
- Is there anything to look out in regards to the title (is there anything special in Florida I should be aware of)?

Many thanks.

EDIT: I am not lazy, it's just that they ports of exit above do not accept calls about car export until Monday and I would really appreciate an answer sooner. :-)

[rjmbc]

Here is the situation:

- Buying a used car in Florida
- Selling dealer needs to ship the car using a carrier to a "port of exit" i.e. the border, otherwise I have to pay Florida tax
- I'm specifically looking at Ogdensburg, NY or Alexandria, NY as the ports of exit

Question:
- Do all ports of exit accept shipments?
- How much does parking there cost, per day? How long can they keep it?
- Can I drive the car out or does it have to be towed via the border?
- Who keeps the keys? (I guess the US border agents)
- Has anyone done this or am I screwing myself here?
- Is there anything to look out in regards to the title (is there anything special in Florida I should be aware of)?

Many thanks.

EDIT: I am not lazy, it's just that they ports of exit above do not accept calls about car export until Monday and I would really appreciate an answer sooner. :-)

Most border crossing areas have places where goods can be shipped and later picked up by owners. An example in Blaine WA is Pacific Mail & Parcel - search the web for their site.

If you can not find one on your own, you might want to call one of the Customs Brokers in the area and ask them who they would recommend. You might even want to consider the UPS Store - if they have a facility or they might recommend someone.

[vw_michael]

Thanks - I can be there when the car comes in which is not a problem.

The problem is that the dealer wants the drop-off at the US border instead of NY/US soil. I think they're confused - the Florida dept-of-revenue/DMV mentions that tax is payable if vehicle is picked up and not shipped out of state (and not out the country):

http://www.dmv.org/fl-florida/buy-sell/buying-selling-faqs.php
http://dor.myflorida.com/dor/pdf/fot0108.pdf
http://dor.myflorida.com/dor/taxes/sigs/retailer_wholesaler_external.pdf

I would appreciate if anyone has any 1st hand experience.


Most border crossing areas have places where goods can be shipped and later picked up by owners. An example in Blaine WA is Pacific Mail & Parcel - search the web for their site.

If you can not find one on your own, you might want to call one of the Customs Brokers in the area and ask them who they would recommend. You might even want to consider the UPS Store - if they have a facility or they might recommend someone.

FYI: This will make some people cringe and cry, as will as give some useful prices on new Subarus:

http://www.faqs.org/cars/sales/Fox-Imports-Inc/Subaru-1.html

[yellman]

aklthough this might have been already discussed in the 1200 pages before me, I assume the new hst in ontario will now decrease the cost differential between the us and canada.

I was looking at picking up a new q7. It would cost $52k in us. Add $500 for riv fee and changover costs. 6% state tax and 5% gst, it would come to about $58k A new one in Canada with same options is about $68k. Now I would only save $6k instead of about 10k. Problem is I need the car for Feb 2011.

Also, have gone back and forth with an audi dealership in the US as to if they can sell me a new car, I found one that is willing. They said there is an issue with the warranty being accepted in Canada. I have Audi sending me an email stating that it would be accepted.

Any thoughts?

[michelb]

aklthough this might have been already discussed in the 1200 pages before me, I assume the new hst in ontario will now decrease the cost differential between the us and canada.

I was looking at picking up a new q7. It would cost $52k in us. Add $500 for riv fee and changover costs. 6% state tax and 5% gst, it would come to about $58k A new one in Canada with same options is about $68k. Now I would only save $6k instead of about 10k. Problem is I need the car for Feb 2011.

Also, have gone back and forth with an audi dealership in the US as to if they can sell me a new car, I found one that is willing. They said there is an issue with the warranty being accepted in Canada. I have Audi sending me an email stating that it would be accepted.

Any thoughts?

Why would a change in tax make buying in Canada any cheaper ?!? You'll pay the same taxes on import that you are paying if you buy in Canada. If the tax is 0% it's 0% for import and 0% for buying in Canada, if it's 15%, it's 15% on import and 15% on purchases in Canade ...

[michelb]

...

- Buying a used car in Florida
- Selling dealer needs to ship the car using a carrier to a "port of exit" i.e. the border, otherwise I have to pay Florida tax
- I'm specifically looking at Ogdensburg, NY or Alexandria, NY as the ports of exit

...

Check your facts and the dealer but you should only need to ship outside FL to save the FL tax, not necessary to ship outside the US (FL isn't the only state that does this).

I shipped from FL to Ogdensburg (the city, not the port of exit) and didn't have to pay FL taxes.

[yellman]

Why would a change in tax make buying in Canada any cheaper ?!? You'll pay the same taxes on import that you are paying if you buy in Canada. If the tax is 0% it's 0% for import and 0% for buying in Canada, if it's 15%, it's 15% on import and 15% on purchases in Canade ...

You misunderstand, instead of me paying only gst, I will now have to pay hst on importing a car. Cost me 8% more.

[vw_michael]

Thanks Michelb - that is what I understood. I am thinking having it shipped to the lowe's/UPS store parking lot, and picking it up asap with an ontario temporary license plate - may I ask if that's what you did? Also, did you mail the title to them ahead of time or did you do a double trip to hand-deliver it 72h prior to the importation (as they state that they don't take copies, only originals)? I would also appreciate knowing how long the title transfer took (and which shipper you used, if you don't mind)?

Very, very much appreciated!


Check your facts and the dealer but you should only need to ship outside FL to save the FL tax, not necessary to ship outside the US (FL isn't the only state that does this).

I shipped from FL to Ogdensburg (the city, not the port of exit) and didn't have to pay FL taxes.

[Fate]

You misunderstand, instead of me paying only gst, I will now have to pay hst on importing a car. Cost me 8% more.
Currently, when you register the vehicle in Canada, you pay pst on the purchase price. You dont pay state tax if you`re exporting it.

[shopper-X]

You misunderstand, instead of me paying only gst, I will now have to pay hst on importing a car. Cost me 8% more.


Currently, when you register the vehicle in Canada, you pay pst on the purchase price. You dont pay state tax if you`re exporting it.

@Yellman, I think I understand what you're saying but don't have an answer for you. I will word it better for you if this is what you mean.

After purchasing the vehicle you bring it back to Canada:
1. You enter Canada and pay 5% GST on the purchase price (converted to CND)
2. You get your inspections done and pay 13% HST when plating the vehicle instead of 8% PST.
Essentially you're concerned about paying a total 18% tax (5% GST @ Boarder + 13% HST = 18%)

The only tidbit I found on this matter is for used:


Used vehicles purchased privately (not from an HST registrant) would still be subject to a retail sales tax of 8%.

[1226]

@Yellman, I think I understand what you're saying but don't have an answer for you. I will word it better for you if this is what you mean.

After purchasing the vehicle you bring it back to Canada:
1. You enter Canada and pay 5% GST on the purchase price (converted to CND)
2. You get your inspections done and pay 13% HST when plating the vehicle instead of 8% PST.
Essentially you're concerned about paying a total 18% tax (5% GST @ Boarder + 13% HST = 18%)

The only tidbit I found on this matter is for used:

Step #1 they'll collect 13%. There will be no tax collected at Step 2.

[shopper-X]

Step #1 they'll collect 13%. There will be no tax collected at Step 2.

Based on what? I really don't know and want to know how they charge that.
Do they check your address on your licence? or destination province?
If I wanted to pick up a car in NY state and drive it back to SK via ON, MB, would I be charged HST for crossing via Ontario?

[siwen66]

an '[EIS]' annotation indicates that the vehicle is either equipped with an electronic immobilization system installed by the
manufacturer, but not certified to meet CMVSS 114, or that no electronic immobilization system is installed

Thanks,

[jamessh1]

Currently, when you register the vehicle in Canada, you pay pst on the purchase price. You dont pay state tax if you`re exporting it.
So, to clarify, If i pick up the car from the dealers lot, and plan to drive it back to Canada, does this mean i will not have to pay the state tax?

looking at getting a volvo c30 back to Manitoba, which seems to yield 6.1% duty AND 5%GST at the border, and provincial tax upon registering the vehicle. do I have the right info here?

[michelb]

You misunderstand, instead of me paying only gst, I will now have to pay hst on importing a car. Cost me 8% more.

But you already paid this anyway.

Before:

- from a dealer in Ontario: 5% + 8% = 13%
- privately in Ontario: 8% at MTO when registering
- import from US (dealer or private): 5% at border + 8% at MTO when registering = 13%

After HST:

- from a dealer in Ontario: 13%
- privately in Ontario: probably 13% at MTO when registering (haven't seen anything saying they'll discount the old GST but maybe)
- import from US (dealer or private): probably 13% at border (although when I asked a few weeks ago they weren't sure how the breakdown would work)

Bottom line, no change except maybe private sales.

[michelb]

So, to clarify, If i pick up the car from the dealers lot, and plan to drive it back to Canada, does this mean i will not have to pay the state tax?

looking at getting a volvo c30 back to Manitoba, which seems to yield 6.1% duty AND 5%GST at the border, and provincial tax upon registering the vehicle. do I have the right info here?

Depends on the state. I believe FL, CA, MA, IL (possibly AZ now (wasn't before but I thought I saw something saying they changed it) and probably others) charge the state tax unless you have the vehicle shipped out of state.

[valerka]

A quick question, I am planing to bring a car in from New York this coming week. I have all the paper work ready except the fact that my Lien clearance letter and recall clearance letter were both emailed to me and are photocopied. Anyone else while importing had just the photocopies and was successful in passing the two borders?

[brendonp]

Depends on the state. I believe FL, CA, MA, IL (possibly AZ now (wasn't before but I thought I saw something saying they changed it) and probably others) charge the state tax unless you have the vehicle shipped out of state.

You may want to check /w the dealership you talk to as well; I spoke /w a dealership in Florida who indicated that the wording was the car could not be "driven off" the lot - however, they could arrange to ship it a few miles, and I wouldn't get charged; not sure how legit this is, and I never followed up on the particular vehicle....

[jamessh1]

You may want to check /w the dealership you talk to as well; I spoke /w a dealership in Florida who indicated that the wording was the car could not be "driven off" the lot - however, they could arrange to ship it a few miles, and I wouldn't get charged; not sure how legit this is, and I never followed up on the particular vehicle....


very interesting.....will have to to a deeper inquiry when i am ready to pull a trigger on the right vehicle. thanks for the info!

[baz5]

If my gf is looking for a new car, and her dad lives in the US, is there anyway to benefit from this? Like him buy it, and gift it to her or something like that? Or is it best for her to just buy it?

[GT!!]

A quick question, I am planing to bring a car in from New York this coming week. I have all the paper work ready except the fact that my Lien clearance letter and recall clearance letter were both emailed to me and are photocopied. Anyone else while importing had just the photocopies and was successful in passing the two borders?

No problem for the recall clearance ... mine was received from the dealer as a fax and they accepted it. Not sure about lien clearance, the car I bought had a clean title.

-GT

[michelb]

If my gf is looking for a new car, and her dad lives in the US, is there anyway to benefit from this? Like him buy it, and gift it to her or something like that? Or is it best for her to just buy it?

Not really any great benefit. The only benefit is for companies like Toyota that won't sell to Canadians since otherwise it can be hard to find a dealer and if he lives in a state that doesn't have any tax on cars.

As far as gifting her the car, that doesn't work (in fact it will be much worse). If it's a gift, CSBA will charge tax on the value of the car which will likely be much higher than what he dad pays for it in the US (I tried this a few weeks ago).

[Braude]

Not really any great benefit. The only benefit is for companies like Toyota that won't sell to Canadians since otherwise it can be hard to find a dealer and if he lives in a state that doesn't have any tax on cars.

As far as gifting her the car, that doesn't work (in fact it will be much worse). If it's a gift, CSBA will charge tax on the value of the car which will likely be much higher than what he dad pays for it in the US (I tried this a few weeks ago).

What happens if here father buys the car and then re-sells it to her as a "used" car? Would that help in any way?

[New User]

Can somebody refer me to an agent who can import a car from US?

[ipassgas]

How are you going to "pick it up"? Are you going to drive it off the lot? What plates will you use? If they issue you temporary tags in NY, won't you have to pay NY tax? I'm not sure your plan will work.


So, to clarify, If i pick up the car from the dealers lot, and plan to drive it back to Canada, does this mean i will not have to pay the state tax?

looking at getting a volvo c30 back to Manitoba, which seems to yield 6.1% duty AND 5%GST at the border, and provincial tax upon registering the vehicle. do I have the right info here?

[michelb]

What happens if here father buys the car and then re-sells it to her as a "used" car? Would that help in any way?

You probably want to confirm with the POE that you'll be bringing in through but we were told that for gifts or for 'arms-length' transactions (between familly or friends), they simply use the book value.

We recently imported a motorhome that we bought two years ago but kept registered in the US until now. They did not accept me 'selling' it to my wife for $1 and initially wouldn't even accept the bill of sale from two years ago and wanted to tax me on what they deemed was the market value (which was simply them googling for similar vehicles and looking at asking prices (which was way higher than our purchase price from two years ago)). Eventually, they did decide to accept the old bill of sale but they certainly wouldn't give me anything for depreciation or wear (there are actually a few broken items now)). One thing you can do is get an official evaluation and they said they would use that.

[can2000]

One of my friends wanna inport a Porsche from the states. Just wondered if any problem to register in Ontario?
thanks

[doublesman]

Hey Sock,

The reason that I wanted to bring in the Civic is that it has a digital speedo/odemeter. With that, prospective buyers are not bothered by the speedo being in MPH. I have found EX models in the high $13,000 range with 35 to 40K (kms) on them and no accidents. Also, the 07's are just now coming to the end of their factory warranies (warranties are not covered in Canada so I wouldn't buy any newer model that had a warranty remaining).
Similar EX Civics in Toronto are from $16,000 to $18,000.
As we go above parity with the dollar, I hope to be able to make $2000 per car. Really wish that I didn't have to pay the PST though - that is a $1000 that I wish I didn't have to give to McGinty!!!

As for this statement:


I don't really think that this will be an issue - but I could be wrong. I don't plan on having a driveway full of cars for sale. Just plan on bringing home a few cars a year. In fact, I plan on bringing home the same colour/model civics each time to help avoid raising suspicion.

If anyone sees any holes in this plan - please fire away! Any input is welcome.
I am a little nervous about doing this. For me, worst case scenario is I end up not being able to sell the Civic and end up keeping it! I've got an 18 year old daughter that will need a car come September anyway!!



Sorry to bring this up again , but I need clarification on legality of reselling a car purchased in the US for the sole purpose of making a profit . I am OK with having the car registered to me , does this still make me a "curbsider" ??? And what if I want to sell another that I bought in the US , and of course register it before selling it .... there are obvious gains to be made here. Of course any thing that would be sold would have proper carfax from the US and ontario history , so it is not like anyone is duping anybody , just good old fair honest profit for taking the troubles of importing the car for sale .

[doublesman]

sorry that was the wrong quote ... but the question still stands.

[Tharnax]

Hey Doublesman, if dealers can do it why can't you?

If you want to do the work of getting a vehicle imported from the US and then sell it to someone in Canada, your more then welcome to do it. In fact, as long as you do all the import paper work, pay your RIV fee and GST at the boarder, get the Form 1 and Form 2 completed. You don't even have to register the vehicle in Ontario prior to selling, the new owner would have to paid the PST, drive clean and UVIP (Used vehicle information package) upon registration. Drive clean and UVIP isn't a big cost, but not having to pay the PST twice will definitely provide you more profit.

[Acuratl]

if ur selling more than 2-3 vehicles a yr you could get in trouble with

http://www.omvic.on.ca/

[Tharnax]

if ur selling more than 2-3 vehicles a yr you could get in trouble with

http://www.omvic.on.ca/

Hmmmmm, reading the link, you definitely have a point. So to the individual intersted, you could try selling a couple vehicles imported and see what kind of profit your seeing then decide whether to pay the necessary "fees" to become a used vehicle dealer/broker.

[mikalh78]

I'm looking to get a Nissan Cube. Should I buy it here or in the states?

[Tharnax]

One of my friends wanna inport a Porsche from the states. Just wondered if any problem to register in Ontario?
thanks

1st Question.
Is the porsche on the list of admissible vehicles?
Check Porshe Admissibility list (http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/SafeVehicles/Importation/Usa/VAFUS/list2/PORSCHE.htm)

2nd Question.
Will RIV accept a recall letter from Porsche USA?

3rd Question
If the porsche is 2008 or newer does it have Daytime running lights, if not the importer will have to find out how much it is to have them turned on.

In most cases, importing a porsche shouldn't be an issue, just keep in mind since the Porsche isn't made in North America it will be subject to 6.1% duty on the CDN converted price of the US value of the vehicle.

[Tharnax]

I'm looking to get a Nissan Cube. Should I buy it here or in the states?

Depends are you trying to buy new or used? What price discrepancies are you seeing on the Nissan Cube between US and Canada? The larger the discrepancy the more beneficial it is to do the work required for importing.

Note: Nissan has delayed warranty coverage. Nissan says the vehicle must be registered in the US for 6 months prior to export otherwise they will void the warranty.

APA Warranty info (http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253)

You will also want to make sure the Cube is an admissible vehicle by checking:
RIV.ca (http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/SafeVehicles/Importation/Usa/VAFUS/list2/NISSAN___INFINITI.htm)

Based on quick searching it looks like a 6 month or old Nissan Cube won't be an issue to import, purchasing new or used less the 6 months old you will be able to import but with no warranty.

[loot]

Hi,

Has anyone imported any car recently?

I faxed my documents to Lewiston Bridge custom yesterday and left a voice message to (716)282-1500 ext 3 today. But nobody has called me back.

I am a little worried that whether my fax is legible to them. Do they normally return the call for sure? Is there any other way to confirm they have received my fax?

Thanks!

[Sloan55]

Hi,

Has anyone imported any car recently?

I faxed my documents to Lewiston Bridge custom yesterday and left a voice message to (716)282-1500 ext 3 today. But nobody has called me back.

I am a little worried that whether my fax is legible to them. Do they normally return the call for sure? Is there any other way to confirm they have received my fax?

Thanks!

Keep calling and bugging them by leaving messages, they are brutal at returning calls. Also, on your photocopy, hand write the VIN number somewhere where it can be read and fax it again. Do it 3 or 4 times just to be sure. You can also scan and email it to them at buffalovinnyoffice@dhs.gov

[loot]

Thanks, Sloan55. Really appreciated!


Keep calling and bugging them by leaving messages, they are brutal at returning calls. Also, on your photocopy, hand write the VIN number somewhere where it can be read and fax it again. Do it 3 or 4 times just to be sure. You can also scan and email it to them at buffalovinnyoffice@dhs.gov

[aerohead888]

I just imported a 2009 Mazda CX-9 and thought that I would post my experience. Learn from my mistakes, so you don’t have to. Grab a cup of joe, it’s going to be a long post.

First off, it took close to 2 months. Much of this was due to my own inexperience in the process. I took about a week searching various websites for the right vehicle. There are many options, including eBay Motors, Lemonfree.com and autotrader.com. I ended up finding a 2009 CX-9 Grand Touring model in Florida via Lemonfree.com.

Given that this as my first US car purchase, I was weary of the process. I worked with a reputable dealer thinking that it would be better than a private sale. The salesman assured me that they had lots of experience in selling to Canadians. As I would find out, it was not the case.

I didn’t haggle too much with the price, but was able to get a couple of thousand off the price (after factoring in the “dealer fees” and shipping costs. I was a bit pressed as it was rare to find the combination of options which I was looking for.

Once we agreed on a price, I paid a $1000 deposit via Master Card. Given that I live in Ottawa, it was impractical for me to fly down and kick the tires. I used a company called Autospector www.AutoSpector.com (http://www.AutoSpector.com) . They work in the Ft. Lauderdale area and provide assessments and appraisals. I went with the Gold package (mid-range) for $179.99. Tony was able to perform the inspection within a couple of days and emailed me a .pdf report complete with pictures of the VIN and any trouble areas (minor stains). There was a full cosmetic check of the vehicle, mechanical check and tire depth measurements. It was much better than I could have done and well worth the expense.

The next step was to pay the balance of the funds. I used my secured line of credit as it offers a much better rate than a standard car loan. I would recommend using a “Borderless US” account from TD Canada Trust. http://www.tdcanadatrust.com/fx/rates.jsp It offers almost a full percentage point better than the standard US account for transfers. It does cost $5/month, but there is nothing stopping you from dropping the account after making the transfer. On a $30k vehicle, it worked out to almost three hundred bucks.

I did get nervous at this point as the Bank Teller told me that there is no way to reverse a transfer. He wanted to make sure that the seller was legitimate. I was sure that they were, but immediately after the transfer, I went home and used Google street views and made sure that there was a dealership at that location and that it wasn’t too seedy looking. It checked out.

Next was to get the documentation to the border. The US Government requires the original title and sales receipt at least 72 hours before exporting the vehicle. It took some coaxing, but the dealer finally sent the documentation to the border using registered mail. Next was for the dealer to find a suitable shipper. This was a painful process. The dealer was waiting to find a shipper that was already shipping other cars north in order to save their costs. In the end, it took almost two weeks to get this lined up.

Next was to get the vehicle insured. It was quick and easy to add the vehicle to my existing policy.

On the day of the transfer, the shipper was a couple of hours late. It is important to arrange a pickup time earlier in the day. US Customs are rather strict on hours in which they will accept car exports. The Ogdensburg, NY crossing will only process vehicle exports on Monday to Friday between 8am and 4pm. Once they found my file, it was quite quick. After a review of my documents and confirmation of the VIN, I was on my way.

At the Canadian border, it was also a quick process. Once at the payment desk, I filled out the RIV form and paid the GST, duty and RIV fee. I was in and out within 10 minutes. It was much less eventful than I was expecting.
The car was now in Canada! As per the RIV direction, I took my car to a Canadian Tire to perform the RIV inspection. I can’t say that I’m a fan of mickey mouseness of CT and they didn’t disappoint. On my first visit, they had the car for 5 minutes and called me back to say that there were no daytime running lights and that they could not do the inspection at that time. They said that they couldn’t do the modifications themselves.

So, I took it to a Mazda dealership in Gatineau. This was by far, the most impressive dealership that I have experienced. http://www.elitemazda.ca/ They did take 3 hours (as opposed to the 2 hour estimate) to perform changes, but they offer a great waiting room (internet café, plasma tv’s, gym with showers, hair dresser, PS/3).

I was off to Canadian Tire again. I had to go in the evening after the kids were in bed. Unfortunately there was only one or two mechanics whom “knew” how to do an RIV inspection. I went back the next night for visit number 3 and they were able to perform the RIV inspection. I received the RIV completion document and sticker within a few days.

Next was to get the vehicle licensed in Ontario. I went to City hall as it was the most convenient location for me. The surly lady behind the counter made Patty and Selma look good. As it turned out, I needed to have a safety inspection and emissions test done before it could be licensed. It’s been a while since I’ve purchased used! Anyways, it was very thoughtful the Canadian Tire mechanics not to mention this to me on any of my three prior visits. So, I went to a different CT location and had the safety and emissions check completed. Although the vehicle is under a year old, it is from out of province and needs to have the emissions check completed.

I went back to MTO to get the plates and pay the PST. Everything went through and not a day too soon. I got the new license and Ontario plates on the last day of my 30-day temporary Florida plates.

Overall, I figure that I saved just under $5k over a similar Canadian vehicle. Unfortunately, I had to buy the USD during a valley (93.5 cents on the dollar). I would have saved around another 2K had the exchange happened today. One of the big issues with shopping Canadian is that the market is 1/10th the size of the states. It was much harder to locate my car with all of desired options. I only found one and it makes for a tougher bargaining position.

Happy cross-border car shopping!

[canabiz]

Excellent post, aerohead. Just a couple of questions/comments when you have a moment

1. You said it took some coaxing to have the dealer send the documentation to the border office via registered mail. Can you elaborate on that? They didn't want to send the paperwork, period or they didn't want to send it via registered mail? for whatever reason. In your first sentence, you did mention this dealer is known to deal with Canadian buyers before so this should not be new territory for them

2. Did you have to find the shipper on your own or did the dealer take care of that part? Is the shipping cost included in the final invoice or is it something you have to pay extra and if that's the case, do you mind sharing how much it is?

3. What would happen if you do not get the Ontario plate and permit before your 30-day temporary Florida plate expires?

As far as purchasing used (here or down south), you need to do emissions test before you can transfer the ownership. This is for all models and years (except 2010).

[aerohead888]

Excellent post, aerohead. Just a couple of questions/comments when you have a moment

1. You said it took some coaxing to have the dealer send the documentation to the border office via registered mail. Can you elaborate on that? They didn't want to send the paperwork, period or they didn't want to send it via registered mail? for whatever reason. In your first sentence, you did mention this dealer is known to deal with Canadian buyers before so this should not be new territory for them

2. Did you have to find the shipper on your own or did the dealer take care of that part? Is the shipping cost included in the final invoice or is it something you have to pay extra and if that's the case, do you mind sharing how much it is?

3. What would happen if you do not get the Ontario plate and permit before your 30-day temporary Florida plate expires?

As far as purchasing used (here or down south), you need to do emissions test before you can transfer the ownership. This is for all models and years (except 2010).

1. It was more a matter of educating the dealer on what had to be done in order to export the vehicle to Canada. Being in FL, he didn't really know the process about sending original documents to the border crossing 72 hours prior to export. They claimed to know the process, but he was just a salesman and willing to say whatever I wanted to hear in order to close the deal. I'm working with a reputable eBay Motors seller right now to import a Honda Odyssey for my wife. This one is NY state and DOES know the process.

2. I rolled the cost of shipping into the vehicle when negotiating with the dealer. I think this is partly why it took so long to ship. They searched around for quite some time before finding someone "suitable" (i.e. cheap). I was at the point of flying down to pick up the vehicle and drive it back myself. He claimed that I would have to pay state taxes if I drove it off the lot. I'm pretty sure that this is BS. I'm planning on picking up the Odyssey from NY myself and there is no mention of additional taxes to do so.

I did see the final shipping invoice and it was under $700. Pretty damn cheap. I did get a quote from a Texan dealer and from Austin to Buffalo, it was around $1300. To Ogdensburg, NY, it was $2300. It would probably be best to shop around for a shipper yourself, but coordinating it might be difficult.

3. I don't know what would have happened if the plate expired. I would think that I would get fined by local law enforcement for not having a valid plate... if they noticed the plate was expired.

As far as the emission tests go, I believe that it is particular to each state. In my case, they had to do a safety and emissions test in FL to get the temporary FL plates. I had to do it again in Ontario to get the Ontario plates.

Hope this helps.

[Tharnax]

Great detailed info Aerohead888!

Sounds like the actual import process went reasonably smoothly, it was the dealership/shipping that caused most of the delays.

When my brother purchased his Mazda RX-8, he also purchased from Florida through Ebay. He had a similar problem with shipping, he eventually picked the car up in NJ after a week delay there and drove it to Buffalo to cross the boarder.

Question/comment on the vehicle title. I've imported 4 vehicles and a trailer, each time I took possession of the title and just faxed a copy of the title to the boarder, then showed the original when I crossed the boarder. I'm wondering if requirements have changed or if you just had different requirements at your US boarder office. I just found that interesting, I don't know if I'd be as comfortable not having the official title of the vehicle when I went to the boarder to bring it over. Glad it worked out.

On the DRL, yeah, my brother ran into the same problem with his RX-8 because he didn't ask me first. We were able to turn the fogs on with the start of the car with a 5 minute wire adjustment under the hood, but each car is different. I'd recommend, if buying from a US dealer, have them turn on some forward facing light as the DRLs prior to shipping. Some dealerships in Canada don't like helping Canadian's who buy their vehicles in the US. Or try to rip them off because they know you cannot get the vehicle certified with out the DRLs working.

[michelb]

Great detailed info Aerohead888!
...

Question/comment on the vehicle title. I've imported 4 vehicles and a trailer, each time I took possession of the title and just faxed a copy of the title to the boarder, then showed the original when I crossed the boarder. I'm wondering if requirements have changed or if you just had different requirements at your US boarder office. I just found that interesting, I don't know if I'd be as comfortable not having the official title of the vehicle when I went to the boarder to bring it over. Glad it worked out.

...

Different POEs have different requirements which is why you have to check the one you're going thru.

FWIW, I don't believe any POE east of Kingston will accept faxes for the titles and they require the original.

[valerka]

If anyone cares, here is my little import story.

I have purchased and imported a 2007 Subaru Legacy GT Spec B from Rochester, NY. It is rare vehicle to come by here in Canada and seeing so close to home, I had to jump on it.

The process took over all about 3 weeks to complete, including two trips to Rochester from Toronto to check the vehicle out and bring the $$$ to the seller. It also took about a week to have the title cleared and to get a letter from the lien holder confirming so.

The border process went smooth like a hot knife through butter, the only problems that I got where at the NY DMV where my temporary insurance slip was not sufficient to issue an in transit permit and they needed a binder or an official letter. In the end though after speaking with the manager, they let me have one.

The customs were quick and uneventful, or at least I was expecting them to give me at least some troubles thus being prepared beforehand for anything they would throw at me, but they didn’t. In the end of it all I was somewhat disappointed.

The End.

[Tharnax]

Different POEs have different requirements which is why you have to check the one you're going thru.

FWIW, I don't believe any POE east of Kingston will accept faxes for the titles and they require the original.

I'd be nice if it were more consistant. Just glad the boarder office I go through Queenston/Lewiston accepts fax copies. :)

[JPTN]

Canadian Border Services is holding free information seminars (all across Canada) for people looking to import cars from the US.

Toronto: http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/events-evenements/on/tor-101-eng.html
Ontario: http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/events-evenements/on/menu-eng.html

Seminars in general: http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/events-evenements/menu-eng.html

I was at one this morning to try to get information about military personnel since the company I work for imports vehicles for retail as well as commercial customers. All the snowbirds are coming back to the great white north.

[yellman]

Has anyone every dealt with Will from Willz.ca

they buy used cars at auctions in the us and bring them over for you.

[Rosico]

Canadian Border Services is holding free information seminars (all across Canada) for people looking to import cars from the US.

Toronto: http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/events-evenements/on/tor-101-eng.html
Ontario: http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/events-evenements/on/menu-eng.html

Seminars in general: http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/events-evenements/menu-eng.html

I was at one this morning to try to get information about military personnel since the company I work for imports vehicles for retail as well as commercial customers. All the snowbirds are coming back to the great white north.

Impressive! Has anyone gone?

[extraleanham]

Do used Cars imported into BC need aircare? ie cars newer than 2003. i know they have to be etested in ontario.

[MrCheap]

I didn't import it personally, but I recently bought a harley nightster that was imported from the US and I saved over $1500.00 from a comparable canadian model.

The guy told me there is an auction about every month down there of repo harley's as Harley Financial is repossessing them faster than they can sell them. He said at the auction this bike was at there were thousands of new/nearly new bikes of ALL models. He said it was scarey to see actually.

[CanuckFlyHigh]

Maybe someone can help me out here, as I have been looking all morning!!

I am looking at purchasing a 2007 Hummer H3, or 2007- 2008 GMC Envoy from the states.

I have found out that the Envoy is not subject to the Green Excise tax, and the hummer is not if it has an "in service date" of March 20, 2007 or earlier. If not, the fee is $1000.

Here is my question. I can't find ANY information on the cluster conversion (Miles to Kilometers). Or if it is even necessary.

Both vehicles have the Speedometer in both MPH and KPH. However, the odometer is digital, in MPH.

Can anyone tell me if they know the costs, or if I even have to change things? Or where I can find this info??

Thanks

[smacd]

Maybe someone can help me out here, as I have been looking all morning!!

Here is my question. I can't find ANY information on the cluster conversion (Miles to Kilometers). Or if it is even necessary.

Both vehicles have the Speedometer in both MPH and KPH. However, the odometer is digital, in MPH.

Can anyone tell me if they know the costs, or if I even have to change things? Or where I can find this info??

Thanks

I imported in Feb and my car also has a split speedometer MPH/KPH and the odometer in miles with a digital readout. I didn't have to change anything. You could call riv directly and ask that specific question to be sure. You could also try the Canadian Tire that will do the inspection and ask them.

[Sloan55]

Maybe someone can help me out here, as I have been looking all morning!!

I am looking at purchasing a 2007 Hummer H3, or 2007- 2008 GMC Envoy from the states.

I have found out that the Envoy is not subject to the Green Excise tax, and the hummer is not if it has an "in service date" of March 20, 2007 or earlier. If not, the fee is $1000.

Here is my question. I can't find ANY information on the cluster conversion (Miles to Kilometers). Or if it is even necessary.

Both vehicles have the Speedometer in both MPH and KPH. However, the odometer is digital, in MPH.

Can anyone tell me if they know the costs, or if I even have to change things? Or where I can find this info??

Thanks

As long as the speedo shows KM somewhere on it, it is fine. If you want to swap it over to a CDN speedo head after importing it, that is up to you, but in order to pass the form 2 inspection, you will be fine.

[chenwaa123]

Do used Cars imported into BC need aircare? ie cars newer than 2003. i know they have to be etested in ontario.

The rule is 7 years from the model year. So a 2003 aircares in 2010 and a 2004 in 2011 etc. However, if your importing from US or another province, your first term will be exempt no matter how old the car is.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Here is my question. I can't find ANY information on the cluster conversion (Miles to Kilometers). Or if it is even necessary.

Both vehicles have the Speedometer in both MPH and KPH. However, the odometer is digital, in MPH.

Can anyone tell me if they know the costs, or if I even have to change things? Or where I can find this info??

Thanks

Here's what my speedo looked like when I picked up my car:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/190/464217448_d3e4cba698.jpg

The only difference now is that my car has over 30,000 miles on it but still NO kilometres! :cheesygri

The odometer (remember it's a 'merican car so it's not spelled odometre) is digital and measures distance using the old Imperial method. It passed the inspection.

If you have a strictly digital display, I would imagine that would be a different matter.

[CanuckFlyHigh]

Here's what my speedo looked like when I picked up my car:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/190/464217448_d3e4cba698.jpg

The only difference now is that my car has over 30,000 miles on it but still NO kilometres! :cheesygri

The odometer (remember it's a 'merican car so it's not spelled odometre) is digital and measures distance using the old Imperial method. It passed the inspection.

If you have a strictly digital display, I would imagine that would be a different matter.

Thank you! H3's have like you have - the numbers for the speedometer, and the digital odometer. How did u switch the odometer. Was that an issue?

[CanuckFlyHigh]

Anyone know if GM roadside assistance transfers over?

[mangoman]

No I think you misunderstood him. He meant he didn't have to bother changing out the odometer cluster because it already shows the speed in km/h on the inner ring. Since the digital portion is still displaying the Imperial measurement of distance covered, his vehicle technically hasn't put on any km's. <Insert laughter here>:lol:


Thank you! H3's have like you have - the numbers for the speedometer, and the digital odometer. How did u switch the odometer. Was that an issue?

[Dina_E]

if your importing a car from a private sale?

do they tax you on the value of the car on the book, or what you paid for it?

lets assume i paid $20,000

but the owner "mistakenly" wrote down $13,000.

and the car is worth $18,500 on the book.

[trusoulja2g]

I just imported a 2006 BMW Z4 today. Everything went smoothly except for one question that I have - see below.

My process:

1. Found the car listsed on cars.com and eBay. Asked questions and negotiated the price with the dealer via email. Once I had decided to purchase the car, I fly to Florida to view the car in person and brought payment by bank draft.

2. Ask the dealer to obtain the recall letter in the form of the Warranty Vehicle Inquiry. Even though I purchased from a used car dealer, they were able to get this report from their local BMW dealer. Also, asked the dealer to activate the DRL. The dealer agreed but it later turned out that his technician didn't know how to, so I ended up doing it locally.

3. Dealer arranged for the car to be shipped from Florida to Buffalo - cost $750.

4. Shipping took about 5 days. In the meantime, the dealer faxed the title, bill of sale, etc. to the US border crossing in Lewiston.

5. The car arrived yesterday. This morning, I first went to the NY State DMV to obtain an in-transit permit. The DMV refused to issue the permit since I didn't have the original copy of the title (which was in the car) - so I proceeded without the in-transit permit.

6. Picked up the car from the shipper's lot and drove it to the Queenston-Lewiston bridge. At the border, I did not see US customs. I couldn't see a US customs office and before I knew it, I was at the Canadian customs inspection. I did not get my title stamped "export" by US customs. At Canadian customs, I filled out Form 1, presented the title and bill of sale, and paid GST and AC tax. They let me go without mentioning anything about US customs. Took about 15 minutes.

7. After crossing the border, I went to the RIV office in Etobicoke. Gave them my recall letter and paid the $206 fee.

8. I knew that prior to going to the Canadian Tire inspection, I needed to get the DRL turned on, and get a safety inspection and emissions test.

9. Went to Techmax in Mississauga to do the DRL ($96) and safety ($60). Took an hour. Went to the emissions testing centre at Eglinton & McLaughlin for the emissions test. Took 15 minutes.

10. Took the car to Canadian Tire for the Form 2 inspection. Completed in 10 minutes.

11. Took the forms to MTO licensing office. Gave them the relevant forms, paid PST, and got my ownership slip and license plates. Took about 15 minutes.

Picked up the car around 9:30 am and got my plates around 5 pm. At this point, I think I am done.

However - I think I obviously missed a step by not going through US customs. What is the implication of this? Since Canadian customs let me through, am I fine now? Will there be any trouble if I take the car back to the US with my new Ontario plates?

For anyone else considering importing a BMW, I strongly recommend getting the Warranty Vehicle Inquiry to use as your recall letter. This would avoid having to deal with BMW Canada prior to registering your vehicle. As long as you have the recall letter and DRL turned on, that's good enough for RIV. No need to change instrument clusters, etc.

[trusoulja2g]

Regarding bypassing US custsom - I found some posts in this thread dating back to 2007 where people speculated about possible penalties and other troubles if the car is taken back to the US on personal trips, etc.

Has anybody had recent experience with this?

I don't mind driving back to the border to go through US customs again. However, my car has been plated in Ontario and I no longer have the original copy of the car's Florida title. The dealer did fax a copy of the title and bill of sale to US customs, and I still have a photocopy. Do you think it's worthwhile to go to US customs and explain to them?

Thanks.

[CanuckFlyHigh]

if your importing a car from a private sale?

do they tax you on the value of the car on the book, or what you paid for it?

lets assume i paid $20,000

but the owner "mistakenly" wrote down $13,000.

and the car is worth $18,500 on the book.

DONT mess with the border. It will be on your record forever. They arent stupid.

[Jolio1]

WOW nvr knew you could do that.. time to research..thx

[james-007]

if your importing a car from a private sale?

do they tax you on the value of the car on the book, or what you paid for it?

lets assume i paid $20,000

but the owner "mistakenly" wrote down $13,000.

and the car is worth $18,500 on the book.

It's not worth it. They kept me at the border for 2.5 hours and I wasn't even trying to pull a fast one on them. They wouldn't believe me because I didn't have all the paper work on me. I had an invoice but that wasn't good enough for them. They wouldn't let me or the car leave the border to prove them I wasn't lying. I finally convince them and when I got home I emailed them all the evidence of the transaction I had.

[Dina_E]

It's not worth it. They kept me at the border for 2.5 hours and I wasn't even trying to pull a fast one them. They wouldn't believe me because I didn't have all the paper work on me. I had an invoice but that wasn't good enough form them. They wouldn't let me or the car leave the border to prove them I wasn't lying. I finally convince them and when I got home I emailed them all the evidence of the transaction I had.

darn that sucks

[Dina_E]

how smart are the people working at canadian tire when they check your DRL?

i was thinking i can just stick a piece of black tape over the light sensor by dash so the cars its night and will turn on the lights.

[yummie]

I just imported a 2006 BMW Z4 today. Everything went smoothly except for one question that I have - see below.

My process:

1. Found the car listsed on cars.com and eBay. Asked questions and negotiated the price with the dealer via email. Once I had decided to purchase the car, I fly to Florida to view the car in person and brought payment by bank draft.

2. Ask the dealer to obtain the recall letter in the form of the Warranty Vehicle Inquiry. Even though I purchased from a used car dealer, they were able to get this report from their local BMW dealer. Also, asked the dealer to activate the DRL. The dealer agreed but it later turned out that his technician didn't know how to, so I ended up doing it locally.

3. Dealer arranged for the car to be shipped from Florida to Buffalo - cost $750.

4. Shipping took about 5 days. In the meantime, the dealer faxed the title, bill of sale, etc. to the US border crossing in Lewiston.

5. The car arrived yesterday. This morning, I first went to the NY State DMV to obtain an in-transit permit. The DMV refused to issue the permit since I didn't have the original copy of the title (which was in the car) - so I proceeded without the in-transit permit.

6. Picked up the car from the shipper's lot and drove it to the Queenston-Lewiston bridge. At the border, I did not see US customs. I couldn't see a US customs office and before I knew it, I was at the Canadian customs inspection. I did not get my title stamped "export" by US customs. At Canadian customs, I filled out Form 1, presented the title and bill of sale, and paid GST and AC tax. They let me go without mentioning anything about US customs. Took about 15 minutes.

7. After crossing the border, I went to the RIV office in Etobicoke. Gave them my recall letter and paid the $206 fee.

8. I knew that prior to going to the Canadian Tire inspection, I needed to get the DRL turned on, and get a safety inspection and emissions test.

9. Went to Techmax in Mississauga to do the DRL ($96) and safety ($60). Took an hour. Went to the emissions testing centre at Eglinton & McLaughlin for the emissions test. Took 15 minutes.

10. Took the car to Canadian Tire for the Form 2 inspection. Completed in 10 minutes.

11. Took the forms to MTO licensing office. Gave them the relevant forms, paid PST, and got my ownership slip and license plates. Took about 15 minutes.

Picked up the car around 9:30 am and got my plates around 5 pm. At this point, I think I am done.

However - I think I obviously missed a step by not going through US customs. What is the implication of this? Since Canadian customs let me through, am I fine now? Will there be any trouble if I take the car back to the US with my new Ontario plates?

For anyone else considering importing a BMW, I strongly recommend getting the Warranty Vehicle Inquiry to use as your recall letter. This would avoid having to deal with BMW Canada prior to registering your vehicle. As long as you have the recall letter and DRL turned on, that's good enough for RIV. No need to change instrument clusters, etc.

Purchased my truck in New York State and all paper work faxed to American Border. Stopped at Lewiston bridge before exporting to Canada. What a waste of time. If anything, if you don't have your papers in order, they will not let you export the vehicle.

Anyways we purchased another vehicle in Ohio and had papers faxed to American border Detroit/Windsor. We didn't bother stopping on the American side. The vehicle has crossed the border several times already, no problems....

I think if your vehicle was reported stolen, then they would keep a lookout for the vin...

I guess anything we buy in the states and bring back to canada would constitute exporting/importing, whether its cars, food, clothes etc...

[michelb]

I think the biggest reason to export from US is simply to protect yourself. If you don't export it, the US title remains valid so there's nothing that prevents the previous owner from reporting it stolen (as far as the DMV is concerned, he's still the owner as the sale will never have been recorded) or simply getting a new title (saying that he lost it) and then registering a lien on the vehicle. Odds of that are pretty low but it could happen ...

In the end, you could probably get it cleared up but it would be a pain to do.

[smacd]

I agree. If it's not a major inconvenience, I'd call first, then go back and export properly, since they already have your info. Let them know ahead of time that you gave up the original title when you registered in Ont.

[quigon]

Has anyone spoken or got replied from Karl Lindemuth of Van Bortel lately? I sent him an email few days ago and still haven't heard anything back.

[jed]

Anyone know if GM roadside assistance transfers over?

I didn't use mine, so not sure, but I would call Roadside Assistance a call to see what they say.

[mojo415]

Has anyone spoken or got replied from Karl Lindemuth of Van Bortel lately? I sent him an email few days ago and still haven't heard anything back.

Same here, no reply yet.

[allknowing]

I didn't use mine, so not sure, but I would call Roadside Assistance a call to see what they say.

I called on my Saturn and had no problems with a free tow for a battery issue.

[siwen66]

Has anyone spoken or got replied from Karl Lindemuth of Van Bortel lately? I sent him an email few days ago and still haven't heard anything back.

try use gmail messenger to talk.

[Clvn]

Just finished importing a 08 Infiniti G35 S with Nav for $260xx including taxes, duties, flight there, gas coming back and motel stays. Overall pretty easy process, only difficult part was probably the drive back as it took me about 4 days.

I think I saved at least 5k and the 6MT is kind of hard to find for sale

[ggslough]

The rule is 7 years from the model year. So a 2003 aircares in 2010 and a 2004 in 2011 etc. However, if your importing from US or another province, your first term will be exempt no matter how old the car is.

If a person imports a 2001 from USA or Alberta, are you saying they are exempt from aircare in the first year?

[Kaabik]

Just finished importing a 08 Infiniti G35 S with Nav for $260xx including taxes, duties, flight there, gas coming back and motel stays. Overall pretty easy process, only difficult part was probably the drive back as it took me about 4 days.

I think I saved at least 5k and the 6MT is kind of hard to find for sale

How much in fees/taxes did you have to pay? I am looking to import a fx35 and just trying to price things out.

[scrolllock]

CBC National News does a feature on Importing Cars. The CarsWithoutBorders shots were great, but the dealer interview was misleading.

[JPTN]

CBC National News does a feature on Importing Cars. The CarsWithoutBorders shots were great, but the dealer interview was misleading.Unfortunately, too much advertising comes from the automotive industry. Can't alienate their advertisers.

CBC did a segment when the dollar hit parity a few weeks back. They interviewed my boss for 20m and used a 15s clip. It's on our home page at www.importtrader.com

It's unfortunate that Canadians continue to get ripped off.

[Clvn]

How much in fees/taxes did you have to pay? I am looking to import a fx35 and just trying to price things out.

Duties + GST came to $2473

[goodzyk]

Just finished importing a 08 Infiniti G35 S with Nav for $260xx including taxes, duties, flight there, gas coming back and motel stays. Overall pretty easy process, only difficult part was probably the drive back as it took me about 4 days.

I think I saved at least 5k and the 6MT is kind of hard to find for sale

Nice goin'...did you head to Arizona? I've been looking down there for a g35x/g37x but not many awd's there save for some ugly colours>:(

[mojo415]

Hi all:

I've been doing alot of number crunching and was wondering if my math is correct or if there are any other cost that's missing to import a car from NY state to Ottawa. Car is 2010 Subaru Impreza.

Here's the break down (assuming dollar is on par)

Cost of car = $22700
NY fees (NY inspection, tire tax, title fees, 30 day temporary license plat) = $110
Duty 6.1% = $1384.70
PST 8% = $1816.00
GST 5% = $1135.00
RIV 195.00+GST = $204.75
Total is $27350.45

Not sure if RIV includes the inspection and if the car is required to run safety and etest.

Thanks for your input

[Sloan55]

Hi all:

I've been doing alot of number crunching and was wondering if my math is correct or if there are any other cost that's missing to import a car from NY state to Ottawa. Car is 2010 Subaru Impreza.

Here's the break down (assuming dollar is on par)

Cost of car = $22700
NY fees (NY inspection, tire tax, title fees, 30 day temporary license plat) = $110
Duty 6.1% = $1384.70
PST 8% = $1816.00
GST 5% = $1135.00
RIV 195.00+GST = $204.75
Total is $27350.45

Not sure if RIV includes the inspection and if the car is required to run safety and etest.

Thanks for your input

GST and PST are based on value of vehicle (converted into CDN dollars) plus air tax plus duty.

I.e. $22,700 (lets assume dollar is at par) + $100 + $1384.70=$24184.70 (this is the value for taxes).

[mojo415]

GST and PST are based on value of vehicle (converted into CDN dollars) plus air tax plus duty.

I.e. $22,700 (lets assume dollar is at par) + $100 + $1384.70=$24184.70 (this is the value for taxes).

Thanks for the correction. :)

[Clvn]

Nice goin'...did you head to Arizona? I've been looking down there for a g35x/g37x but not many awd's there save for some ugly colours>:(

Car was in Virginia, hmm while I was looking there seems to be many regular g35's and the x's just not many with the manual transmission. But anyways, keep looking, I found mine on a g35 forum.

[quigon]

mojo415,

I guess we may meet each other when we go south to pick up our car. What trim model and option are u getting? Mine is 5 Door Premium Package w/ Special Edition Package (Manual). Haven't decided the color yet.



Hi all:

I've been doing alot of number crunching and was wondering if my math is correct or if there are any other cost that's missing to import a car from NY state to Ottawa. Car is 2010 Subaru Impreza.

Here's the break down (assuming dollar is on par)

Cost of car = $22700
NY fees (NY inspection, tire tax, title fees, 30 day temporary license plat) = $110
Duty 6.1% = $1384.70
PST 8% = $1816.00
GST 5% = $1135.00
RIV 195.00+GST = $204.75
Total is $27350.45

Not sure if RIV includes the inspection and if the car is required to run safety and etest.

Thanks for your input

[Anonymouse]

If you google "import car to canada calculator" you can find a very useful estimation tool.

http://www.importcartocanada.info/tools/vehicle-import-price-calculator/


Hi all:

I've been doing alot of number crunching and was wondering if my math is correct or if there are any other cost that's missing to import a car from NY state to Ottawa. Car is 2010 Subaru Impreza.

Here's the break down (assuming dollar is on par)

Cost of car = $22700
NY fees (NY inspection, tire tax, title fees, 30 day temporary license plat) = $110
Duty 6.1% = $1384.70
PST 8% = $1816.00
GST 5% = $1135.00
RIV 195.00+GST = $204.75
Total is $27350.45

Not sure if RIV includes the inspection and if the car is required to run safety and etest.

Thanks for your input

[Matty]

...import a ... 2010 Subaru Impreza.


I'd like to hear more details. Is it new? What trim, colours, and options? How does the US price compare to the same thing here in Canada? TIA.

[quigon]

I'd like to hear more details. Is it new? What trim, colours, and options? How does the US price compare to the same thing here in Canada? TIA.

For those who can wait, 2011 Impreza will be out in August. Does anyone know whether it's a new generation coming out, or just minor changes?

[smacd]

If you google "import car to canada calculator" you can find a very useful estimation tool.

http://www.importcartocanada.info/tools/vehicle-import-price-calculator/

Cool tool!

[Kaabik]

just wondering about the gas guzzler tax. i am looking at importing a 07/08/09 fx 35.

it is 14.4/9.9 for city/hwy

[riffr aff]

If you google "import car to canada calculator" you can find a very useful estimation tool.

http://www.importcartocanada.info/tools/vehicle-import-price-calculator/

useful but not precise given the calculator can't take into account what you'll get dinged on the exchange from a bank or FX company

[shopper-X]

If you google "import car to canada calculator" you can find a very useful estimation tool.

http://www.importcartocanada.info/tools/vehicle-import-price-calculator/


useful but not precise given the calculator can't take into account what you'll get dinged on the exchange from a bank or FX company

Another thing to mention is that the Calculator adds Duty (6.1%) based on Manufacturer not VIN.
Example: VIN 4USBT33453LS41436 for a 2003 BMW Z4 2.5L returns positive for duty on the calculator when it shouldn't since it's built in the USA.

[Anonymouse]

useful but not precise given the calculator can't take into account what you'll get dinged on the exchange from a bank or FX company

I'm not sure how the author of this tool could possibly know that. So add 1% or so for exchange friction.


Another thing to mention is that the Calculator adds Duty (6.1%) based on Manufacturer not VIN.
Example: VIN 4USBT33453LS41436 for a 2003 BMW Z4 2.5L returns positive for duty on the calculator when it shouldn't since it's built in the USA.

You're doing it wrong. There's a dropdown that says "manufactured in North America" and "manufactured outside of NA" - be sure to pick the right option. I'm not sure what entering the VIN does for you - it's not relevant to the calculation. Also, you want the 3.0 model - it has the same gas mileage but produces more power.

[shopper-X]

...
You're doing it wrong. There's a dropdown that says "manufactured in North America" and "manufactured outside of NA" - be sure to pick the right option. I'm not sure what entering the VIN does for you - it's not relevant to the calculation. Also, you want the 3.0 model - it has the same gas mileage but produces more power.

Don't take this the wrong way as I'm not attacking you.

How can I be "doing it wrong" when there is an option for Vin Number OR Vehicle Year + Manufactured in. Of the two options I used the VIN Number which most uninformed potential buyers will choose since over 90% of all US car ads include the VIN number not the country of manufacture.

[Anonymouse]

Don't take this the wrong way as I'm not attacking you.

No offense taken - I have nothing to do with this tool except that I've been using it for a while now. I now notice the "or" that I didn't see before. I agree that the tool should see that if the VIN starts with certain numbers the duty doesn't apply. I"ve always used the vehicle year+ manufactured in dropbox, and I recommend that you do too.

Actually, this tool doesn't recognize that cars manufactured before 1995 don't have a RIV fee - it adds the fee anyway.

All of which is to say that it's not perfect, but it will get you in the ballpark, and I don't know of a better tool right now.

[riffr aff]

my super simple spreadsheet calculates things for me. I input an exchange rate, the vehicle price, and off I go.

The posted tool is good to get an idea of what your costs may be, but a very simple spreadsheet can accomplish the same pretty easily, with better accuracy.

[Anonymouse]

my super simple spreadsheet calculates things for me. I input an exchange rate, the vehicle price, and off I go.


Does your spreadsheet agree with the online calculator? (I agree that this ain't rocket science.)

[skyfly]

the online tool missed an array to identify the VINs. actually, it is just a simply "if" statement. if the first digit is a # or if the first digit is a letter, that's. the program writer is so careless

[freewheel]

the online tool missed an array to identify the VINs. actually, it is just a simply "if" statement. if the first digit is a # or if the first digit is a letter, that's. the program writer is so careless

:arrowu::lol:

[mojo415]

mojo415,

I guess we may meet each other when we go south to pick up our car. What trim model and option are u getting? Mine is 5 Door Premium Package w/ Special Edition Package (Manual). Haven't decided the color yet.

We're still in the trim selection stage, but we're planning on getting the 5d premium with navi package.

:)

[quigon]

We're still in the trim selection stage, but we're planning on getting the 5d premium with navi package.

:)

Cool! I don't think the navi package is even available in any trim level in Canada for Impreza. Are you going to pick up some snow tires? I'm not sure what tires to get. Any suggestion?

[loot]

Thanks everyone for providing the info in this long post!
I imported a 2008 Lexus RX350 on Monday and got my two license plates today.

Now I have one stupid question, how can I attach the plate to the front?
Will the dealer install it for free? If not, is there anywhere I can go to have it installed for me?

Thanks!

[mangoman]

Since it's a Toyota product, I would take a look under the cargo area where the jack/spare would be and you might find the plastic mounting plate for the front licence plate.


Thanks everyone for providing the info in this long post!
I imported a 2008 Lexus RX350 on Monday and got my two license plates today.

Now I have one stupid question, how can I attach the plate to the front?
Will the dealer install it for free? If not, is there anywhere I can go to have it installed for me?

Thanks!

[JPTN]

Now I have one stupid question, how can I attach the plate to the front?$10. Canadian Tire (http://www.canadiantire.ca/search/search_results.jsp;jsessionid=LhYJyyjJpXv84s8JRqlh dvvnMJnkmrwysZhGprqHht6tfnfmPTnJ!756472720?bmForm= form_endeca_search&bmFormID=1272584276491&bmUID=1272584276491&bmIsForm=true&bmPrevTemplate=%2Fhome.jsp&bmHidden=OMNITURE_FROM&OMNITURE_FROM=Search&bmText=quick_search_term&quick_search_term=license+plate&bmSubmit=quick_search&quick_search=Search&bmHidden=FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=1408474396672077).

[DrXenon]

the online tool missed an array to identify the VINs. actually, it is just a simply "if" statement. if the first digit is a # or if the first digit is a letter, that's. the program writer is so careless

The first digit has to be 1-5 to escape the 6.1% duty. Volkswagen has a plant in Brazil, which starts with a 9, and those cars aren't exempt.

[jindogae]

I'm looking at importing either an a4 or an a6 avant in the near future. Although I think I've got the process down, I think it'd be helpful to post stickys within the thread. Things like:
Manufactures that do/don't honour warranty
Vehicles made in NA
Border ports/crossings
Currency
etc.
I know that it's all in the thread but having it on the first page would I think reduce the number of redundant questions/replies.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I'm looking at importing either an a4 or an a6 avant in the near future. Although I think I've got the process down, I think it'd be helpful to post stickys within the thread. Things like:
Manufactures that do/don't honour warranty
Vehicles made in NA
Border ports/crossings
Currency
etc.
I know that it's all in the thread but having it on the first page would I think reduce the number of redundant questions/replies.

If you compile it, I will post it.

[George W. Bush]

I am interested in getting a car from Michigan - anyone know good car dealers in MI and reliable?

[Dina_E]

I am interested in getting a car from Michigan - anyone know good car dealers in MI and reliable?

ive noticed that all the boarder states arent that much cheaper than buying in canada.

all the good deals are in texas, florida, arizona, southern states.

[jindogae]

I just got a quote to ship a car from the dealer. The quote was for $800 to ship the car from NY to Toronto. My question is if anyone knows has the answers to the following:
Form 1-Does the truck driver have to get this in order to get through the boarder or do I have to go back later on my own to get it?
Where do I go to pay the duty, GST, Air tax and RIv fees or would the transport company pay these and then I reimburse them?

[smacd]

[QUOTE=jindogae;10748765]I just got a quote to ship a car from the dealer. The quote was for $800 to ship the car from NY to Toronto. My question is if anyone knows has the answers to the following:
Form 1-Does the truck driver have to get this in order to get through the boarder or do I have to go back later on my own to get it?
Where do I go to pay the duty, GST, Air tax and RIv fees or would the transport company pay these and then I reimburse them?[/QUOTE

I think that usually shipping companies use a brokerage house to do all of the above, then the brokerage company charges you an astronomical fee for their services. It would be much cheaper to ship to the nearest cross border location and import the car yourself.

[jindogae]

Really, Can anyone confirm this? That would have been a big surprise.

[leonkaz]

I'd like to import new 2010 Toyota 4Runner and I have few questions.
I am in Toronto area, btw.

Any US dealer recommendations?

What's with daytime running lights? Easy to turn them on? ask US dealer to do that?

RIV list has some vague comments about immobilizer adhering to a Canadian
standard - how will I know if my car has the right one?

I have a relative in Massachusetts. If I can't find a dealer that will sell to Canadian directly or won't give a good price, I was thinking of using him to buy the car in New Hampshire (no tax state) and importing from there...
Any insight into the process?

thanks

[dmoss123]

I am interested in getting a car from Michigan - anyone know good car dealers in MI and reliable?

Just bought a lightly used Highlander from Sunshine Toyota in Battle Creek, MI. They were very easy to deal with and were familiar with the import process.

[HP_John]

I just got a quote to ship a car from the dealer. The quote was for $800 to ship the car from NY to Toronto. My question is if anyone knows has the answers to the following:
Form 1-Does the truck driver have to get this in order to get through the boarder or do I have to go back later on my own to get it?
Where do I go to pay the duty, GST, Air tax and RIv fees or would the transport company pay these and then I reimburse them?

Even though Buffalo is only 1.5 - 2 hrs from Toronto, to ship to Buffalo instead of Toronto is usually much cheaper. That's because they consider it a 'domestic' shipment instead of 'international'. I was quoted $1000 to go from Cali to Buffalo, & about $1900 to go from Cali to Toronto.

[petaling108]

Even though Buffalo is only 1.5 - 2 hrs from Toronto, to ship to Buffalo instead of Toronto is usually much cheaper. That's because they consider it a 'domestic' shipment instead of 'international'. I was quoted $1000 to go from Cali to Buffalo, & about $1900 to go from Cali to Toronto.

A broker in NYC quoted me $1200 nyc to toronto for a sedan.

[JPTN]

Form 1-Does the truck driver have to get this in order to get through the boarder or do I have to go back later on my own to get it? Where do I go to pay the duty, GST, Air tax and RIv fees or would the transport company pay these and then I reimburse them?If you work with an importer (see my signature), they do all the paperwork and pay all the fees at the border on your behalf and provide paperwork from Canadian Border Services Agency proving fees were paid (Form B3) that you later provide to your provincial ministry when registering.

Fees at the border (all flow-through, no markup): GST, air conditioner tax ($100) + GST, duty (6.1%) + GST (if applicable: VIN starts with a letter), brokerage ($104), gas guzzler (2007 & above, 45%/55% city/highway L/100km > 13L) + GST, RIV fee ($195 + GST).

The trucker gets the Form 1 at the border (filled out if you use an importer).

There was recently a good article by The Star on importing: http://www.wheels.ca/Consumer%20News/article/785640. Unlike the discussion a few weeks back with Jeremy Cato in the Globe & Mail that read like a scare piece and plug for Canadian manufacturers with LOTS of erroneous information.

Shipping cross border is always more expensive because only Canadian carriers can do exports. If you drop it off in Buffalo or Port Huron (Sarnia), it's cheaper, but you MUST have a temporary permit/plate/tags to drive it over. Also, US "Export Control" offices are only at certain border crossings and not all of them are 24/7. (You're exporting the vehicle from the US and importing the vehicle into Canada.)

[etcbq]

ive noticed that all the boarder states arent that much cheaper than buying in canada.

all the good deals are in texas, florida, arizona, southern states.
Is this so? How about the purportedly tax-free states like Oregon, Alaska, etc. which are not exactly southern states? I am thinking of zeroing in on Oregon to purchase a Porsche.

[scrolllock]

Excellent article in todays Toronto Star. Check out the comments.
http://www.wheels.ca/Consumer%20News/article/785640

[Xerix]

Hey All,

Recently, thanks to my work and certain events, my 3 sisters have informed me they want to buy me a car as a Thank you :-0 . With that being said, I decided to get the Infiniti G37. Now its up to me to do all the research and determine weather its worth purchasing in the US or Canada. Currently, the car I would like (RWD Touring) costs (including Freight & not incl taxes) $36,465 in the USA and $43,955 in Canada. Now after running the numbers, and because its made in Japan, there is that 6.1% Duty on importing it. As a result of this, I will only Save about $2,000 if I import direct to Canada New. This includes all taxes and fees and duties and the Daytime running light mods for the car.

Now some quick facts.
1. After a couple years of renovating (Back and forth b/w USA and Canada) Im in the home stretch and will be back in Canada permanently within the month.
2. I own a house jointly with my sisters in Ft Lauderdale, FL
3. I have a FL Drivers license

Now my question is the following..... I can easily claim this as a gift from my sisters (I wouldnt even be lying about it either) and if needed I would get them to buy it for me with their checks etc.... Now because I can register in FL, would it be worth keeping it a year registered in FL and then bring it back and claim it was a gift? or can i claim it a gift right away? Also, does claiming it a gift lower the import duties and taxes I would incur at the border/Import to Canada?

If you need more info then let me know. Im in a position where I have a lot of options to exercise.

Thanks in Advance

Andrew

[HP_John]

Hey All,

Recently, thanks to my work and certain events, my 3 sisters have informed me they want to buy me a car as a Thank you :-0 . With that being said, I decided to get the Infiniti G37. Now its up to me to do all the research and determine weather its worth purchasing in the US or Canada. Currently, the car I would like (RWD Touring) costs (including Freight & not incl taxes) $36,465 in the USA and $43,955 in Canada. Now after running the numbers, and because its made in Japan, there is that 6.1% Duty on importing it. As a result of this, I will only Save about $2,000 if I import direct to Canada New. This includes all taxes and fees and duties and the Daytime running light mods for the car.

Now some quick facts.
1. After a couple years of renovating (Back and forth b/w USA and Canada) Im in the home stretch and will be back in Canada permanently within the month.
2. I own a house jointly with my sisters in Ft Lauderdale, FL
3. I have a FL Drivers license

Now my question is the following..... I can easily claim this as a gift from my sisters (I wouldnt even be lying about it either) and if needed I would get them to buy it for me with their checks etc.... Now because I can register in FL, would it be worth keeping it a year registered in FL and then bring it back and claim it was a gift? or can i claim it a gift right away? Also, does claiming it a gift lower the import duties and taxes I would incur at the border/Import to Canada?

If you need more info then let me know. Im in a position where I have a lot of options to exercise.

Thanks in Advance

Andrew

If you're only saving $2000 on a $40 something thousand dollar car, then IMO, it's not worth it. You have to factor in your time too, like shipping the car back to Canada or having to drive it back to Canada, from Florida, which is quite a far distance. Also consider that your dealer won't give you a loaner as they do for Cdn buyers (all Cdn owners of Cdn Infiniti get free loaner).

Although I don't believe it's fair, there are threads on here with lots of people who say they refuse to pay the same for a used imported car vs a used "Cdn-spec" car. I'm not trying to be negative on importing, on some cars it's well worth it, but if your calculations are correct, then I'd just buy in Canada in this case.

[AcidBomber]

If you're only saving $2000 on a $40 something thousand dollar car, then IMO, it's not worth it. You have to factor in your time too, like shipping the car back to Canada or having to drive it back to Canada, from Florida, which is quite a far distance. Also consider that your dealer won't give you a loaner as they do for Cdn buyers (all Cdn owners of Cdn Infiniti get free loaner).

Although I don't believe it's fair, there are threads on here with lots of people who say they refuse to pay the same for a used imported car vs a used "Cdn-spec" car. I'm not trying to be negative on importing, on some cars it's well worth it, but if your calculations are correct, then I'd just buy in Canada in this case.

agreed.
some people might tell you a dollar saved is a dollar more in your pocket; but $2000 itsnt all that significant and probably not worth the hassle.

dont know about Infiniti, but BMW's free maintenance program will not work for imported cars.
and there's also the bigger depreciation if you decide to sell an American car along with having to stare at a mi/km speedometer

[Stock R]

just wondering about the gas guzzler tax. i am looking at importing a 07/08/09 fx 35.

it is 14.4/9.9 for city/hwy

FYI, Transport Canada has the official #'s based on a 60/40 split I believe.

Anyhow, I imported an 07 FX35 last year and it is NOT a gas guzzler so you are fine.

[Sloan55]

FYI, Transport Canada has the official #'s based on a 60/40 split I believe.

Anyhow, I imported an 07 FX35 last year and it is NOT a gas guzzler so you are fine.

Check this out, should answer your question:

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/et/etsl64/

[leonkaz]

Hey All,

Recently, thanks to my work and certain events, my 3 sisters have informed me they want to buy me a car as a Thank you :-0 . With that being said, I decided to get the Infiniti G37. Now its up to me to do all the research and determine weather its worth purchasing in the US or Canada. Currently, the car I would like (RWD Touring) costs (including Freight & not incl taxes) $36,465 in the USA and $43,955 in Canada. Now after running the numbers, and because its made in Japan, there is that 6.1% Duty on importing it. As a result of this, I will only Save about $2,000 if I import direct to Canada New. This includes all taxes and fees and duties and the Daytime running light mods for the car.

Now some quick facts.
1. After a couple years of renovating (Back and forth b/w USA and Canada) Im in the home stretch and will be back in Canada permanently within the month.
2. I own a house jointly with my sisters in Ft Lauderdale, FL
3. I have a FL Drivers license

Now my question is the following..... I can easily claim this as a gift from my sisters (I wouldnt even be lying about it either) and if needed I would get them to buy it for me with their checks etc.... Now because I can register in FL, would it be worth keeping it a year registered in FL and then bring it back and claim it was a gift? or can i claim it a gift right away? Also, does claiming it a gift lower the import duties and taxes I would incur at the border/Import to Canada?

If you need more info then let me know. Im in a position where I have a lot of options to exercise.

Thanks in Advance

Andrew

If you could qualify as returning resident you could import it (and many other things) tax free. Look into it if you haven't

[freewheel]

Just helped my brother and sister-in-law import a brand new Subaru Outback limited 3.6R from Van Bortel.

Total savings around $7,000.

Everything done over the internet and phone. Van Bortel looked after everything, no issues.


Who would buy one of these up here? I can't understand how Subaru Canada's sales are doing so well.

[ijustwannasearch]

In it true for all states (specifically Missouri) then if you are a canadian and you do not register your new vehicle in their state that you are not subject to their state sales tax?

[Anonymouse]

Just helped my brother and sister-in-law import a brand new Subaru Outback limited 3.6R from Van Bortel.


What modifications were necessary to get through the RIV process? Do Outbacks come with DRLs and a kph minor scale?

[freewheel]

No Modifications required on the outback. I wish i wanted one.

[HP_John]

In it true for all states (specifically Missouri) then if you are a canadian and you do not register your new vehicle in their state that you are not subject to their state sales tax?

In the case of California, as a Cdn, as long as I had the car shipped out of state & didn't drive it on California roads/highway, then I was exempt from paying the state sales tax. Still had to pay duty (cars not made in North America) & of course, GST & PST

[Ungie]

I'm looking at purchasing a Subaru Forester in the next few months. Does anyone have any experience purchasing one of these in the US? I'm in Muskoka. Does the Forester require any modifications for DRLs or metric gauges?
Thanks!

[rjmbc]

I'm looking at purchasing a Subaru Forester in the next few months. Does anyone have any experience purchasing one of these in the US? I'm in Muskoka. Does the Forester require any modifications for DRLs or metric gauges?
Thanks!

It may be a bit far away, but I have a dealer in Oregon that will work with you and give you the benefits (discounts) that American's get.

PM me if you are interested.

[quigon]

I'm looking at purchasing a Subaru Forester in the next few months. Does anyone have any experience purchasing one of these in the US? I'm in Muskoka. Does the Forester require any modifications for DRLs or metric gauges?
Thanks!

I was looking at the US version of Forester and I noticed that they don't have the Telescopic steering wheel and they don't have an option to put one on. For some people, it is not a very big deal. My point is to take a detail comparison between the US and CDN version and make sure the US version is right for you. Instead of getting the US version Forester for my wife, I'm getting the Impreza for myself from Van Bortel :cheesygri

[michelb]

... Currently, the car I would like (RWD Touring) costs (including Freight & not incl taxes) $36,465 in the USA and $43,955 in Canada. Now after running the numbers, and because its made in Japan, there is that 6.1% Duty on importing it. As a result of this, I will only Save about $2,000 if I import direct to Canada New. This includes all taxes and fees and duties and the Daytime running light mods for the car.

Now some quick facts.
1. After a couple years of renovating (Back and forth b/w USA and Canada) Im in the home stretch and will be back in Canada permanently within the month.
2. I own a house jointly with my sisters in Ft Lauderdale, FL
3. I have a FL Drivers license

Now my question is the following..... I can easily claim this as a gift from my sisters (I wouldnt even be lying about it either) and if needed I would get them to buy it for me with their checks etc.... Now because I can register in FL, would it be worth keeping it a year registered in FL and then bring it back and claim it was a gift? or can i claim it a gift right away? Also, does claiming it a gift lower the import duties and taxes I would incur at the border/Import to Canada?

If you need more info then let me know. Im in a position where I have a lot of options to exercise.

Thanks in Advance

Andrew


If you could qualify as returning resident you could import it (and many other things) tax free. Look into it if you haven't

This is not correct. If you qualify as a returning resident (you need to have been outside of Canada for at least 12 months (http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5087-eng.html#s1)) then you can import goods up to $10000 tax free. You still need to pay taxes on the value above $10000 (http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5087-eng.html#s2x3) and you must have owned it for at least 6 months.

Back to the OPs other questions. Having a FL drivers license and residence will only help you in that you can freely buy from any dealership. You will have to pay FL taxes though so unless you want a specific car that you can't otherwise get, you will end up paying taxes twice (FL and then Canada when you import). Having your sisters buy and then gift the car to you will not help at all as Canadian Border will charge you tax and duty on the market value of the car if it's a gift.

[michelb]

As of July 1st, Ontario will charge *the equivalent* of the HST to private car sales (http://www.rev.gov.on.ca/en/taxchange/taxable.html#Footnote_2_2 ( HST does not apply; however, Ontario will maintain the RST on private transfers of used vehicles at a rate of 13 per cent to help ensure a level-playing field between sales by dealerships and private sales.))

However it's important to notice that the wording says that it will charge RST of 13% on private transfers of used vehicles. I wonder how that will apply to imports? Will they charge GST at the border and then 13% upon registration? Will imports be treated as a dealership sale or as a private sale?

As an aside, IMO, this is actually a bit of a money grab by the government and lobbying by the dealerships. With this, the government will actually make more in it's pockets from private sales than it would be making from dealerships (dealerships use taxes collected to offset taxes paid so they don't pay the full 13% back and when they do remit taxes, there is a portion that's kept to offset the processing costs (i.e. 2-3%)). Also the whole point of charging the GST on dealerships and not for private was that they were taxing a service (the sale), now they are collecting the same amount even if there was no taxable service. As far as 'levelling the playing field', it's still not level because trade-ins at a dealership are used to offset taxes owned on purchases but you can't do the same with private sales and private sales need the UVIP. If they really did want to level the playing field they would allow people who sell privately to get a credit on taxes for recently purchased or to be purchased vehicles. They should also require dealerships to provide the Used Vehicle Information package.

[ggslough]

Another reason for BC people to import cars:

All out-of-province vehicles registered for the first time in the Vancouver area do not require an AirCare inspection until its first re-licensing. This means that you would be able to insure the vehicle for up to 12 months without an AirCare test. After the initial policy expires the vehicle will need to pass an emissions test prior to purchasing additional licensing and insurance. If you have any further concerns please feel free to contact me.

[jindogae]

I'm looking at going to Portland to pick up a used car from a private sale. The seller seems to think that a transit permit won't be necessary since the current plates on the car are valid. Is that right that I can use his plates after the sale to drive the car back to Canada? If so do I just toss them after I get new plates in Toronto? Does anyone see a problem getting across the boarder with the old owners plates?

[Sloan55]

So any vehicle that has a switch that turns off the DRL must have that switch removed?

RIV's official stance is that if the vehicle has DRL's that can manually be turned off by the user, that set up will NOT pass the Form 2 inspection. We recently had a Corvette that had that set up and we had to run a bypass module so that the lights could not be turned off.

[james-007]

I'm looking at going to Portland to pick up a used car from a private sale. The seller seems to think that a transit permit won't be necessary since the current plates on the car are valid. Is that right that I can use his plates after the sale to drive the car back to Canada? If so do I just toss them after I get new plates in Toronto? Does anyone see a problem getting across the boarder with the old owners plates?

I have bought 2 vehicles from private sale and I did not buy any transit permit in the state of WA. I just bought binder insurance from ICBC and that was it.

[smacd]

I'm looking at going to Portland to pick up a used car from a private sale. The seller seems to think that a transit permit won't be necessary since the current plates on the car are valid. Is that right that I can use his plates after the sale to drive the car back to Canada? If so do I just toss them after I get new plates in Toronto? Does anyone see a problem getting across the boarder with the old owners plates?

Portland, Oregon or Portland, Maine?
I bought a car in Oregon and drove it back without a transit permit, but ICBC freaked out when I stopped at the first ICBC office I came to on the way home. They issued a temp permit (I already had an insurance binder) on the spot at n/c, but said i could have been in trouble in the case of an accident or if I had been pulled over. Best to check with the authorities before you leave.

[smacd]

So any vehicle that has a switch that turns off the DRL must have that switch removed?


You may get lucky. Our RIV inspector didn't notice the switch, so it passed without mods. Some have mentioned blacking out or taping over the "off" before the inspection.

[frank664]

I am looking at import a Subaru Outback from North Dakota. The dealer I am talking to says I will not have to pay Sales tax, but sites I have looked into say I will have to pay the 5% Sales Tax. http://www.ebaymotorscanada.com/importing-a-car-into-canada-a-state-by-state-sales-tax-index/

Which is right?

Also, when I go to pick up the vehicle how do I get insurance on it. I am from Saskatchewan so can I just get plates from SGI before I get the vehicle?

Thanks for any info

[valerka]

You may get lucky. Our RIV inspector didn't notice the switch, so it passed without mods. Some have mentioned blacking out or taping over the "off" before the inspection.


Same thing happened to me, they didn't notice the switch and passed the vehicle. So again, depends how lucky you are. Try maybe going going towards the end of the day so that they would be in a rush.

[smacd]

I am looking at import a Subaru Outback from North Dakota. The dealer I am talking to says I will not have to pay Sales tax, but sites I have looked into say I will have to pay the 5% Sales Tax. http://www.ebaymotorscanada.com/importing-a-car-into-canada-a-state-by-state-sales-tax-index/

Which is right?

Also, when I go to pick up the vehicle how do I get insurance on it. I am from Saskatchewan so can I just get plates from SGI before I get the vehicle?

Thanks for any info

Call SGI and they will tell you the requirements.

[Vincent_Chander]

I am looking at import a Subaru Outback from North Dakota. The dealer I am talking to says I will not have to pay Sales tax, but sites I have looked into say I will have to pay the 5% Sales Tax. http://www.ebaymotorscanada.com/importing-a-car-into-canada-a-state-by-state-sales-tax-index/

Which is right?

Also, when I go to pick up the vehicle how do I get insurance on it. I am from Saskatchewan so can I just get plates from SGI before I get the vehicle?

Thanks for any info

You should call SGI for clarification but I can point out a few tidbits for you.

1) Taxes - you will have to pay sales tax (PST) as PST is required for any vehicle imported into Sask. It only has to be paid once, so if you buy a used imported vehicle that was already registered in Sask then you don't have to pay the PST.

2) Insurance - I believe it costs $20 or so to get a temporary transit insurance pass for a week. Just tell them you are looking to import a vehicle and need temporary insurance for it. You won't get plates but will have the temporary pass.

Most of the brokers I have spoken to about importing a vehicle are pretty informed and I think there are even brochures/pamphlets available at each broker's office.

Hope that helps and good luck.

Cheers,

VC

[Dina_E]

stupid greeks!

ruining peoples bargains.

[Kaabik]

stupid greeks!

ruining peoples bargains.


haha exactly. I was planning on pulling the trigger this week on a vehicle, but now i am holding off to see what happens with the dollar.

[newid07]

Hi all,

this is a fantastic thread. Learned so much.

I'm thinking about buying a almost new Odessey EX-L or Touring. I just wondered if anyone on the forum knew where to look? I'm located in Toronto. Also, would it be a good idea to buy directly from the importing car dealers? any leads? Thank you all in advance.

[zircon]

You may get lucky. Our RIV inspector didn't notice the switch, so it passed without mods. Some have mentioned blacking out or taping over the "off" before the inspection.

I taped it on my Audi, and the guys could see there was a switch on the panel tha twas unlabeled, but they focused on lights off with car off, lights on when car turned on, and it passed with no questions. I leave my daytime running lights on at all times.

[zircon]

You misunderstand, instead of me paying only gst, I will now have to pay hst on importing a car. Cost me 8% more.

I think you need to do more research. 1) Don't buy in a state that will charge you tax. I have purchased 2 cars in the states - one in each of IL and CT - and paid no US sales tax. If you need to, get the car dtaken out of state on a truck to avoid tax. 2) You will pay PST and GST now (13% combined in Ontario) or HST (13%) in future. No difference.

[zircon]

i've been doing a lot of research about importing a can in general into canada. I'm planning on importing a s2000 (from a private dealer not a honda dealer) and i have a few important questions.

1. i have read that you need a recall clearance letter from the manufacturer. In my case i'm buying a s2000 from a private dealer so where do i get the recall clearance letter?

2. Does the lewiston bridge take faxed in title or do i have to fed-ex it to them after i have purchased the car.

3. Do i absolutely have to buy insurance for a car before i can bring it into canada? Can't i buy it drive it back and import it, then go get insurance for it?

Honda letters are easy to get online. The customs guys can check it themselves.

BTW, great car! We have a miata while I think is 90% of the S2000 bit is loaded with stuff you can't get on the Honda.

I would not advise you drive without insurance. I was asked to show a tag (in Connecticut license buresau if I recall) when I picked up one of my imported cars. If you are currently insured, call your company and they will probably fax you a tag.

[jindogae]

So the seller is correct that I can drive across the US with the plates that he has on the car after I buy it from him as long as I have a temp permit from my province? I would have thought that he would keep the plates to return to the DMV, isn't that what we do here?
Did you buy the car privately? If so can you tell me if I need to be present to have the title transfered or can the seller transfer title without me?

Portland, Oregon or Portland, Maine?
I bought a car in Oregon and drove it back without a transit permit, but ICBC freaked out when I stopped at the first ICBC office I came to on the way home. They issued a temp permit (I already had an insurance binder) on the spot at n/c, but said i could have been in trouble in the case of an accident or if I had been pulled over. Best to check with the authorities before you leave.

[michelb]

So the seller is correct that I can drive across the US with the plates that he has on the car after I buy it from him as long as I have a temp permit from my province? I would have thought that he would keep the plates to return to the DMV, isn't that what we do here?
Did you buy the car privately? If so can you tell me if I need to be present to have the title transfered or can the seller transfer title without me?

If you have a temp permit, that is your plate - you don't need anything else (you may or may not be able to get one from your province beforehand though (e.g. I've recently been told that Ontario requires the 'Form 1' from RIV before they will give you a temp permit which means you have to get the vehicle accross the border before you can get one).

As far as keeping his US plates, this depends on the state. I believe most are like Canada where the owner keeps the plate and the new owner has to get new ones but in some states (e.g. SD), the plate remains with the car and the new owner is suppose to use those (although I don't think that really applies if the new owner is not registering the vehicle in SD).

You don't need to be present to purchase the vehicle (e.g. we bought a car from Florida but never even met the seller in person. Everything was done by phone, fax and courrier and the vehicle was shipped).

[michelb]

... You will pay PST and GST now (13% combined in Ontario) or HST (13%) in future. No difference.

Has anyone actually confirmed with CSBA and MTO that in Ontario it will be 13% total after HST comes into effect? After July 1st, private car sales in Ontario will be charged 13% RST (equivalent of regular 8% RST + 5% GST but private car sales are not subject to GST hence the 13% RST). I'm a bit concerned that importers could end up paying 5% GST at border and then 13% RST at MTO on registration since they'll process it as a 'private car purchase' (since it's clearly not a purchase from Ontario dealership).

[Monsieurmaggot]

Wow, this is nuts:

A disabled lady goes to a Canadian Mazda dealer to buy tires and walks out paying over $66,000 for a used Mazda 6!

http://www.thestar.com/business/article/805836--salesmen-charged-for-selling-41-000-car-for-66-000

or:

http://www.omvic.on.ca/news/releases/news_release_2010-04.htm

I might just go to court next week to listen in:

From the OMVIC site: "The company and two men have been summoned to appear before the Ontario Court of Justice in Orangeville on May 12, 2010". Their names are clearly shown on the OMVIC site.

No wonder I despise Canadian dealers. From other posts on the 'net Mazda Canada seems to have a "don't ask - don't tell" attitude with these type of dealerships. More money for everyone at the expense of a disabled woman! Very nice.

These crooks clearly define car STEALERships.

I will be sending them some emails thanking them for promoting US-sales.

You should too.

[jed]

This isn't a Canadian dealer only thing, I'm sure theres plenty of US dealers that pull this kind of crap.

But you're right when someone does something like this, then people start looking hard at their alternatives.

Salesperson/salesmanager/dealer who did this - Fail.

[hammer]

This isn't a Canadian dealer only thing, I'm sure theres plenty of US dealers that pull this kind of crap.

But you're right when someone does something like this, then people start looking hard at their alternatives.

Salesperson/salesmanager/dealer who did this - Fail.

I bought 3 cars from the US and feel that generally, American dealers are far more professional than Canadian ones.

This story teaches us that you have to be "mentally disabled" to buy from Canadian dealers.

[killbillvol1]

I bought 3 cars from the US and feel that generally, American dealers are far more professional than Canadian ones.

This story teaches us that you have to be "mentally disabled" to buy from Canadian dealers.

Agreed - I also found the US dealers to be much more professional.

The Canadian ones, especially in the GTA seem to be doing too well without effort to care IMO.

[freewheel]

Agreed - I also found the US dealers to be much more professional.

The Canadian ones, especially in the GTA seem to be doing too well without effort to care IMO.



I have to agree myself. The 2 U.S.dealers I dealt with were not hard-sell at all.

Both tried to do everything they could to make me happy. And this to a customer who they will never see for further service on the car.

Maybe I was just lucky.

[jed]

2 or 3 or 4 dealers does not a cross section make. I know a bunch around me that would never try to do crap like this. And, its different when you walk into a place than over the phone.

Not defending by any means, but lets be realistic in our views. I went to 2 dealers and they treated me right, so all US dealers are better. Doesn't make sense.

[freewheel]

2 or 3 or 4 dealers does not a cross section make. I know a bunch around me that would never try to do crap like this. And, its different when you walk into a place than over the phone.

Not defending by any means, but lets be realistic in our views. I went to 2 dealers and they treated me right, so all US dealers are better. Doesn't make sense.

It is true that only 2 visits doesn't count for much. I had 2 good visits in U.S. dealers, I have had no good visits at canadian dealers.

Last one I visited offered to sell me a demo with 14,000km on it for $3,000 more than the price of a brand new model.

That's service.

[Kaabik]

so i have a question,

has anyone here dealt with carmax in the states?

They tell me that I would have to register the car in the states first before i could take it across the border.

here was what was stated.


Well, I would love to sell you a car, but there are a couple of issues.
First, we are not set up to help guide you through the import/export taxes
you would face, so you would have to arrange that ahead of time. You would
also have to register the car in the United States, as we have no way to
register it legally to Canada. Please let me know if these terms are
acceptable, or if you have any further questions and we can proceed from
there.

if anyone has any insight on this please let me know.

[joejack]

so i have a question,

has anyone here dealt with carmax in the states?

They tell me that I would have to register the car in the states first before i could take it across the border.

here was what was stated.



if anyone has any insight on this please let me know.

Just tell them you will register the car in another state.
I have dealt with carmax when I use to live in the US, 10 years ago.

[urkidn]

I'm looking at going to Portland to pick up a used car from a private sale. The seller seems to think that a transit permit won't be necessary since the current plates on the car are valid. Is that right that I can use his plates after the sale to drive the car back to Canada? If so do I just toss them after I get new plates in Toronto? Does anyone see a problem getting across the boarder with the old owners plates?

We just drove up a car from California and because California would only cover a 24 hr "get out of town" trip permit, we had to get another in Oregon. Cost was $30 for 21 days. That along with our ICBC binder insurance got us to our driveway. I would suggest calling Oregon DMV for clarity as it's not worth the risk of driving with an invalid plate for the sake of $30.

[rjmbc]

so i have a question,

has anyone here dealt with carmax in the states?

They tell me that I would have to register the car in the states first before i could take it across the border.

here was what was stated.



if anyone has any insight on this please let me know.

I can provide you with a reasonable inexpensive way to complete this transaction, including registering in the US in such a way as to avoid paying any US state sales taxes. PM me if you are interested.

[michelb]

Has anyone actually confirmed with CSBA and MTO that in Ontario it will be 13% total after HST comes into effect? After July 1st, private car sales in Ontario will be charged 13% RST (equivalent of regular 8% RST + 5% GST but private car sales are not subject to GST hence the 13% RST). I'm a bit concerned that importers could end up paying 5% GST at border and then 13% RST at MTO on registration since they'll process it as a 'private car purchase' (since it's clearly not a purchase from Ontario dealership).

FYI, I had to go into the license bureau today and so I asked and they still don't know what's going to happen after July 1st. They confirmed that they'll charge 13% on private purchases but couldn't say if imports would still be charged 5% GST at the border or if that wouldn't be pay at the border anymore and / or if there would be a 8% RST or 13% RST at the MTO on registration (i.e. it's possible (although hopefully unlikely) that imports in Ontario are going to end up paying 18% tax!)

[Kaabik]

is there any restrictions with bringing other stuff back to canada while you are down? for example clothes or something like that?

for example i am planning on staying down in the states for a few days as a semi vacation while i import a vehicle?

any input would be highly appreciated.

Thanks.

[smacd]

is there any restrictions with bringing other stuff back to canada while you are down? for example clothes or something like that?

for example i am planning on staying down in the states for a few days as a semi vacation while i import a vehicle?

any input would be highly appreciated.

Thanks.

After 48 hours, you are allowed $400 per person. After 7 days, you're allowed $750 per person tax and duty free.

[tdotcitizen]

If you buy used car from a person (private) in the US and bring it to Canada, does Canada charge you the 13% or just the PST?

[jed]

It is true that only 2 visits doesn't count for much. I had 2 good visits in U.S. dealers, I have had no good visits at canadian dealers.

Last one I visited offered to sell me a demo with 14,000km on it for $3,000 more than the price of a brand new model.

That's service.

Sure, but when I was looking for a van, in the US, plenty of guys were trying me on at $25000 +, for the model I was looking for. I ended up at $17000 and change. There's good and bad ones everywhere.

[freewheel]

Halfway there on my second import. This thread has saved me in excess of $20,000. (of course it also cost me $70,000!!!)

Don't forget to go back to page one and thank Monsieurmaggot.

[Dina_E]

Halfway there on my second import. This thread has saved me in excess of $20,000. (of course it also cost me $70,000!!!)

Don't forget to go back to page one and thank Monsieurmaggot.

what did you pick up if you dont mind me asking?

m3?

[freewheel]

what did you pick up if you dont mind me asking?

m3?

1st import, in October of '07, 2005 BMW Z4, savings in excess of $14,000.
2nd import, May 2010, 2010 Honda Pilot EX-L w/res, savings in excess of $7,000 (even after buying a warranty).

The gap actually has closed in the last few years, but with the dollar near par the savings are still worth the trip in many cases.

Also helped my brother and sister-in-law import a brand new Subaru Outback limited last month, savings in excess of $7,000. And now she is going to help her sister on an import as well!

[smpmush]

Looking for a Canadain friendly GM dealer for a Chevy Avalanche.. Located near Ontario Que border.. Anyone got any leads??

[a2vr6]

Does anyone have a resources from the US like the autrotrader here? Looking to purchasing in Chicago soon..

[mangoman]

You mean something like ... umm ... www.autotrader.com (http://www.autotrader.com)? :lol:

You can also try walmart.oodle.com (http://walmart.oodle.com)


Does anyone have a resources from the US like the autrotrader here? Looking to purchasing in Chicago soon..

[ggslough]

If you buy used car from a person (private) in the US and bring it to Canada, does Canada charge you the 13% or just the PST?


you definitely pay both taxes for private plus 100 a/c tax

[sassysue]

so i've been searching auto trader anyways is it worth buying used from the states i mean i can save atleast 5k with the the prices around here

[freewheel]

so i've been searching auto trader anyways is it worth buying used from the states i mean i can save atleast 5k with the the prices around here

Whether it is worth it is something you have to decide. It isn't always.

You have to check exactly the car you are looking for and factor in all your fees and travel expeses (or shipping).

For me it was very much worth it. I bought my last vehicle at a .97 dollar and still managed nto save $7,000 even after having to pay foe an after market warranty.

For other vehicles you are best off buying here.

[sassysue]

Whether it is worth it is something you have to decide. It isn't always.

You have to check exactly the car you are looking for and factor in all your fees and travel expeses (or shipping).

For me it was very much worth it. I bought my last vehicle at a .97 dollar and still managed nto save $7,000 even after having to pay foe an after market warranty.

For other vehicles you are best off buying here.

my self i would love to buy that ford escape hybrid anyone no what be the market price in the usa for this exact vehicle i have been looking buy cannot find it?

[runeash]

I am in interested In a Hybrid(to/from work) I heard Ford Fusion is good, any experience with that bringing over, not sure if the warranty is transferable.I hear a lot about this dealer on Grand Island NY fuccillo, any experience with these guys.

[clem24]

I bought 3 cars from the US and feel that generally, American dealers are far more professional than Canadian ones.

This story teaches us that you have to be "mentally disabled" to buy from Canadian dealers.

Actually.. I wonder if Canadians get this treatment because the US dealership *KNOWS* we'll buy a car, with 100% cash in hand. No going down there to dicker, kick some tires, negotiate, etc...

The Honda dealer we dealt with was so easy. Without even asking, cost + $500, Fedex/overnighted the documents WITH a prepaid return envelope, deal DONE in less than 48 hours, without having to physically go to the dealer, go back to the dealer, etc... Buying a car in the US was just such a nice experience. But again, I suspect it's because if you're calling from Canada, it's the equivalent of walking into a local dealership with a briefcase full of money.

[GoogleFish]

Actually.. I wonder if Canadians get this treatment because the US dealership *KNOWS* we'll buy a car, with 100% cash in hand. No going down there to dicker, kick some tires, negotiate, etc...

The Honda dealer we dealt with was so easy. Without even asking, cost + $500, Fedex/overnighted the documents WITH a prepaid return envelope, deal DONE in less than 48 hours, without having to physically go to the dealer, go back to the dealer, etc... Buying a car in the US was just such a nice experience. But again, I suspect it's because if you're calling from Canada, it's the equivalent of walking into a local dealership with a briefcase full of money.

How did you get a dealer to work with you? Thought they were still prohibited from selling to Canadians?

[smacd]

my self i would love to buy that ford escape hybrid anyone no what be the market price in the usa for this exact vehicle i have been looking buy cannot find it?

Thanks, sassysue. I'm helping my 10 year old with his grammar homework this week and your posts are excellent reference. It shows him just how important it is to make the time to punctuate and capitalize!

[Monsieurmaggot]

Halfway there on my second import. This thread has saved me in excess of $20,000. (of course it also cost me $70,000!!!)

Don't forget to go back to page one and thank Monsieurmaggot.

Thanks.

You are too kind.

On another note, for those of you following along (page 1218 post #18265), I got an email from someone regarding my post about the Mazda dealership in Orangeville who took advantage of a disabled lady by charging her $66,000 for a used Mazda 6.

To them I respond publicly: While it it true that after this story went public, the dealership had no choice but to refund her money. But she was forced to return the car and now doesn't have anything to drive. Remember all she really wanted was a new set of tires....

A real respectful car company or dealership would have simply given her the car. You reading this MAZDA or BAINS execs? Imagine the good press they would get and favourable considerations from the courts for doing so. Remember they're all appearing in court on Wednesday to explain themselves. The dealership will claim they were rogue employees and immediately fired them.

[sassysue]

Thanks, sassysue. I'm helping my 10 year old with his grammar homework this week and your posts are excellent reference. It shows him just how important it is to make the time to punctuate and capitalize!

Thanks very much for being a troll

[edcredible]

Thanks so much for all the useful information. I appreciate it :D (http://www.help-with-car-insurance.com)

[tdotcitizen]

you definitely pay both taxes for private plus 100 a/c tax

Thanks a lot for your response. Ahhh, that sucks then.

[Sloan55]

Guys, can you give me some suggestions on some 3rd party insurance companies that you used for extended warranties on vehicles brought into Canada from the US. I have a customer that is bringing in a Range Rover that was looking to add some warranty coverage to it.

[michelb]

Thanks a lot for your response. Ahhh, that sucks then.

Keep in mind that in a month and a half, you'll be paying both taxes on private purchases in Ontario anyway so unless your timeframe is very soon, it doesn't matter.

[killbillvol1]

Thanks.

You are too kind.

On another note, for those of you following along (page 1218 post #18265), I got an email from someone regarding my post about the Mazda dealership in Orangeville who took advantage of a disabled lady by charging her $66,000 for a used Mazda 6.

To them I respond publicly: While it it true that after this story went public, the dealership had no choice but to refund her money. But she was forced to return the car and now doesn't have anything to drive. Remember all she really wanted was a new set of tires....

A real respectful car company or dealership would have simply given her the car. You reading this MAZDA or BAINS execs? Imagine the good press they would get and favourable considerations from the courts for doing so. Remember they're all appearing in court on Wednesday to explain themselves. The dealership will claim they were rogue employees and immediately fired them.

The Star noted today (http://www.wheels.ca/article/asset/785847) that the fired employee "Moe" Shaikh is a partner at another dealership (Bains Suzuki of Pickering).

Ultimately it won't matter - there will be some other crook in charge to gouge all the sheeple out there.

MonsieurMaggot thank you once again for bringing this option to people's conscious - it's not like the US dealers are angels or anything but atleast it gives us another alternative.

[BrunoMG]

We are looking at the 2010 subaru outback and I know that Monsieurmaggot bought that model, my question is, how to compare the options and differences in the canadian model and the US model? from the company's website, its not really clear and hard to find.

thank you for the help.

[JPTN]

Guys, can you give me some suggestions on some 3rd party insurance companies that you used for extended warranties on vehicles brought into Canada from the US. I have a customer that is bringing in a Range Rover that was looking to add some warranty coverage to it.
Third party warranty: http://www.globalwarranty.com

We are looking at the 2010 subaru outback and I know that Monsieurmaggot bought that model, my question is, how to compare the options and differences in the canadian model and the US model? from the company's website, its not really clear and hard to find.
For those interested in Subuarus: http://www.subaruofkeene.com/international-customers.htm

[thegradas]

Anyone can share or direct me to find info on importing a car with a salvage title?
Thanks!

[Sloan55]

Anyone can share or direct me to find info on importing a car with a salvage title?
Thanks!

http://www.riv.ca/PartsAndSalvageVehicles.aspx

[Anonymouse]

We are looking at the 2010 subaru outback and I know that Monsieurmaggot bought that model, my question is, how to compare the options and differences in the canadian model and the US model? from the company's website, its not really clear and hard to find.


Check out cars101.com .

[Monsieurmaggot]

We are looking at the 2010 subaru outback and I know that Monsieurmaggot bought that model, my question is, how to compare the options and differences in the canadian model and the US model? from the company's website, its not really clear and hard to find.

thank you for the help.

When I was shopping for an Outback, here's the basics of what I worked with:

There are two engines types boxer 4 and boxer 6. There is no longer a turbocharger offered on the 2010 Outback. Really depends on how much towing you plan to do. I've driven both and the base is fine for every day use. The six is thirstier.

The transmissions available depend on the model but you can get a manual, auto or a new CVT.

All but the base Outbacks feature heated mirrors and windshield.

You have the option of leather seats.

With that information, you can see how Subaru Canada and Subaru US market their vehicles.

There are more trim level options available in the US. In past model years, you could only order the moonroof with leather seats in Canada. In the US, you could order either. The PZEV is typically ALL 4 cylinder Outbacks sold in the Eastern US and California. In Canada, since our emission laws are not quite as strict, you have the option to order the PZEV as a trim level. This leads me to wonder if the cars are identical, why call it the PZEV? It's really just a bare-boned Outback.

As anomymouse pointed out, www.cars101.com or
http://www.vanbortelsubaru.com/BuildYourCar.asp are excellent sites to see what's available in the US.

In Canada, you will need to rely on the Subaru.ca website.

While you're there, remember to ask the Canadian Subaru rep. why the PDI is a $1000 more in Canada!!!

[thegradas]

http://www.riv.ca/PartsAndSalvageVehicles.aspx

Thank you.

So the GST/PST + duties (if any) will be calculated based on the invoice amount or Customs' list (if any)?

[briandwlee]

FYI

In Alberta, out of province(OOP) inspection may be exempt if

1. Odometer reading is under 5,000km; and
2. Sales transaction date on original bill of sale from a dealer was within 90 days from the date of registration in Alberta.

So, if you let your friends/relatives buy a vehicle in the US for you and even if the vehicle was registered once in the US, your vehicle might be exempt from OOP if above conditions satisfy.

These days, US dealers never give out MCO/MSO to buyers even if the buyer is from other states. They mail the MCO directly to DMV in the state of residence. Cars are still cheaper in the US even if you have to pay sales tax down there to register the vehicle.

[riffr aff]

Karl @ VanBortel confirmed that my 2011 Limited Subaru Outback will arrive in June.

WOOT WOOT!

[petaling108]

Karl @ VanBortel confirmed that my 2011 Limited Subaru Outback will arrive in June.

WOOT WOOT!

just when the CAD reaches parity with USD hopefully!

Any deposit required?

[singh20]

anyone import a 2008 cadillac cts 3.6L from the states? if yes, how much did you save and what are some good dealerships to look into, that will sell to canadians? Thanks

[riffr aff]

just when the CAD reaches parity with USD hopefully!

Any deposit required?

no deposit whatsoever. VanBortel Subaru rocks.

[siwen66]

Karl @ VanBortel confirmed that my 2011 Limited Subaru Outback will arrive in June.

WOOT WOOT!

sigh....... still waiting 2011 Subaru Tribeca news...............

[rjmbc]

anyone import a 2008 cadillac cts 3.6L from the states? if yes, how much did you save and what are some good dealerships to look into, that will sell to canadians? Thanks

I have been able to get GM products from some dealers in the western states below Alberta, & BC. That may be further than you want to go, but if not PM me your email address and I will explain how it can work.

[riffr aff]

We are looking at the 2010 subaru outback

The US version of the Outback comes in almost 30 different "styles". Really hard to compare the 3 we get up here.

Please note that getting a non-standard Subbie Outback from the US at this point is getting increasingly difficult due to the fact they are rolling out the 2011s at this point. You'll basically have to get what they have left over on their lots.

[GoogleFish]

The US version of the Outback comes in almost 30 different "styles". Really hard to compare the 3 we get up here.

Please note that getting a non-standard Subbie Outback from the US at this point is getting increasingly difficult due to the fact they are rolling out the 2011s at this point. You'll basically have to get what they have left over on their lots.

Is one of the main differences that CAD version has HID Lights whereas the US versions don't?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Is one of the main differences that CAD version has HID Lights whereas the US versions don't?

I didn't know that but that option wouldn't make a difference for me since you could get retrofit kits for about $80 US:

http://www.hidxenonheadlights.com/Subaru-Outback-HID-Kits/

You can also order the same kit in Canada for about $400. LOL! After-market kits are illegal in some jurisdictions since the lamp has a tendancy to melt enclosures designed for halogen lamps and spill their mercury content into the environment (or onto the person replacing the enclosure).

I have heard plenty of debates regarding the efficacy of Xenons particularly on your eyes.

There's a debate that the ultra bright light in front of you makes it tough for your eyes to adjust to the peripheral lighting particularly on your side vision and mirror views which some claim actually cause more head-on collisions. Folks in very winding road areas complain of reflective snow blindness at night and during heavy now periods.

Xenons won't make a hoot of difference in city driving (see all the light pollution in the GTA?).

I'm waiting for the LED lighting to hit full stride:
http://blogs.motortrend.com/6307569/technology/blinded-by-the-light-comparing-new-led-headlamps-with-hid-xenon-halogen/index.html


I live in a metropolitan area so the halogens on my Subie are phenomenal. When I do leave the city, the lens is properly aligned so I get maximum light output.

[jjc]

Has anyone imported a Hyundai Genesis Coupe yet? I could go for a 2.0T with Track package...

[jindogae]

So I've agreed to a price on a private sale vehicle but it is on the other side of the country. I will complete the sale without seeing the vehicle in person. I am trusting that the pictures, carfax report, owner, and Audi dealership it has been serviced at are all true to their word and the car is in good shape.
So my question is how do I make payment and make sure the title gets tranfered into my name. I'm assuming he won't transfer the title without payment. Does anyone know of an escrow company that will hold the money until title is transfered? Will his bank be able to do that?
One other question. If he has title in hand this means that their are no leins on the vehicle correct?

[Albertan]

Hi everyone,

Looking at importing a 2008 BMW. What's the latest scoop on the hoops BMW is making us Canadians jump through to register it up here?

Last I hear here, BMW Canada was charging 500 for the recall letter, I believe, and in order to get the privilege to spend 500 on the recall letter, you had to have a BMW Canada dealer replace the HVAC and speedo for another few thousand.

Is there any way(s) around this? I wouldn't die if I had to pay $500 for a recall letter, but replacing the HVAC and speedo is ridiculous.

Thanks!

[slimym]

i just purchased a 2011 kia sorento in ohio...going to pick it up on Monday...today a kia dealer in Canada quoted $3000 for daytime running lights...sigh - I hope canadian tire can do this for $200.

[Kaabik]

i just purchased a 2011 kia sorento in ohio...going to pick it up on Monday...today a kia dealer in Canada quoted $3000 for daytime running lights...sigh - I hope canadian tire can do this for $200.

can they do the day time running lights down in the states?

i am talking to a dealership that said they would install it included in the price they are giving me. Said it would cost them about $300 if they charged me.

[Albertan]

i just purchased a 2011 kia sorento in ohio...going to pick it up on Monday...today a kia dealer in Canada quoted $3000 for daytime running lights...sigh - I hope canadian tire can do this for $200.

Has anything changed, or are Kia's still warranty-voided when they are imported?

[slimym]

can they do the day time running lights down in the states?

i am talking to a dealership that said they would install it included in the price they are giving me. Said it would cost them about $300 if they charged me.

i never even thought of asking the dealer in the states. in retrospect, this would've been a much better idea.

[slimym]

Has anything changed, or are Kia's still warranty-voided when they are imported?

the warranty is still honored in the usa, but not in canada. it's a very short drive over for me.

[mrmccowcow]

Has anyone imported a Hyundai Genesis Coupe yet? I could go for a 2.0T with Track package...

I'm going to be since I can get Hyundai EPP in the states. IMO, it's not worth it if you don't have an additional discount since the warranty does not apply in Canada.

[HP_John]

I didn't know that but that option wouldn't make a difference for me since you could get retrofit kits for about $80 US:

http://www.hidxenonheadlights.com/Subaru-Outback-HID-Kits/

You can also order the same kit in Canada for about $400. LOL! After-market kits are illegal in some jurisdictions since the lamp has a tendancy to melt enclosures designed for halogen lamps and spill their mercury content into the environment (or onto the person replacing the enclosure).

I have heard plenty of debates regarding the efficacy of Xenons particularly on your eyes.

There's a debate that the ultra bright light in front of you makes it tough for your eyes to adjust to the peripheral lighting particularly on your side vision and mirror views which some claim actually cause more head-on collisions. Folks in very winding road areas complain of reflective snow blindness at night and during heavy now periods.

Xenons won't make a hoot of difference in city driving (see all the light pollution in the GTA?).

I'm waiting for the LED lighting to hit full stride:
http://blogs.motortrend.com/6307569/technology/blinded-by-the-light-comparing-new-led-headlamps-with-hid-xenon-halogen/index.html


I live in a metropolitan area so the halogens on my Subie are phenomenal. When I do leave the city, the lens is properly aligned so I get maximum light output.

That $80 kit isn't the same thing as real HID, just a warning to anyone looking to buy it. To anyone wanting HID, do your homework, it'll cost you but it'll be a lot safer than these off-road use only HID kits. The kit on that site is for off-road use only (illegal), even though it doesn't say so until you read the "Competition Product Disclaimer".

However, I totally agree with you that Subaru Canada's pricing is so out of line it's ridiculous, so it really doesn't matter if the Cdn model has real HID std.

[Anonymouse]

Hi everyone,

Looking at importing a 2008 BMW. What's the latest scoop on the hoops BMW is making us Canadians jump through to register it up here?

Last I hear here, BMW Canada was charging 500 for the recall letter, I believe, and in order to get the privilege to spend 500 on the recall letter, you had to have a BMW Canada dealer replace the HVAC and speedo for another few thousand.

Is there any way(s) around this? I wouldn't die if I had to pay $500 for a recall letter, but replacing the HVAC and speedo is ridiculous.

Thanks!

If you don't care about the warranty, you don't need to deal with BMW Canada at all. After you buy the car, simply transfer the warranty into your name by calling BMW USA - just make up an address in the US. Then go to an American dealer and ask for a vehicle history report - this will contain a notation about outstanding recalls, and is all RIV needs.

If you do want the warranty, you need to deal with a Canadian BMW dealer unfortunately.

The process is much easier on an Audi.

[riffr aff]

just when the CAD reaches parity with USD hopefully!



I sure hope so. This currency watching is driving me nuts. I am really regretting being greedy last time we went past parity hoping for just a few more upward ticks. Now the loonie is barely $0.96 - which means about $1200 ($1350 including exchange costs) difference ... blech.

(tho we're still saving more than $8000 I think)

[ADRiiAN`]

So I am thinking about buying a brand new car next year, either a Honda Civic Si or Nissan 370z.

The only thing I'm worried about is the warranty, now I've been reading and apparently Honda Canada and Nissan Canada will not honor the warranty of the US-imported cars, can someone clear that up for me?

Civic Si
CDN - $28,000
US - $22,000

370z
CDN - $40,000
US -$30,000

Edit - Nevermind, found this http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253#ACURA

Stupid Honda, Nissan seems to be okay. I'm guessing I can buy in US, register it there and then take it to Canada?

[smacd]

[QUOTE=ADRiiAN`;10826150]So I am thinking about buying a brand new car next year, either a Honda Civic Si or Nissan 370z.

The only thing I'm worried about is the warranty, now I've been reading and apparently Honda Canada and Nissan Canada will not honor the warranty of the US-imported cars, can someone clear that up for me?

Civic Si
CDN - $28,000
US - $22,000

370z
CDN - $40,000
US -$30,000

Edit - Nevermind, found this http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253#ACURA

Stupid Honda, Nissan seems to be okay. I'm guessing I can buy in US, register it there and then take it to Canada?[/QUOT

Nissan must be registered in the US for 6 months before importation for warranty to be transferred.

[vw_michael]

I have a good lead on a 2010 Forester 2.5 Base, 5 speed manual in the DC area (I've gotten more quotes than I need. Way more :lol:). This one is being quoted at $19.3k out the door, Canada friendly, no tax (compared to ~$20k+ at Van Bortel). I've gotten a faxed buyer's order in hand so he seems quite committed.

If anyone is seriously interested, PM me for the name - the salesguy worked pretty hard on this one and it's a shame to let it go to waste.

FYI - You can easily beat Van Bortel's/Westherr's price, no matter what their salesguys tell you.

[jindogae]

why would it go to waste? Are you not going to buy?

[tylerc]

Subaru is Canada friendly?

Any idea where I can find an 09 or 10 Forester that is a smokin deal? I don't mind the mileage being there a bit, as it won't be driving too much. I just want heated seats and a sunroof!

Who has imported subaru before and can speak to the ease of doing so?

[smacd]

Subaru is Canada friendly?

Any idea where I can find an 09 or 10 Forester that is a smokin deal? I don't mind the mileage being there a bit, as it won't be driving too much. I just want heated seats and a sunroof!

Who has imported subaru before and can speak to the ease of doing so?

The "Search" function is your friend.

[yyz2hkg]

Subaru is Canada friendly?

Any idea where I can find an 09 or 10 Forester that is a smokin deal? I don't mind the mileage being there a bit, as it won't be driving too much. I just want heated seats and a sunroof!

Who has imported subaru before and can speak to the ease of doing so?

just one of the many reports...

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/4160338-post1/

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/how-buy-your-next-vehicle-us-save-thousands-477998/

[vw_michael]

why would it go to waste? Are you not going to buy?

Please allow myself to quote ... myself:

"I've gotten more quotes than I need. Way more :lol:"

[Sergio]

so far so good, here is what i suggest:

bring car to another acura dealer for an inspection
You pay for service, it will cost aprx 150$
Once you get report, you proceed to nxt step
Title should be in seller's name
Be ready to prepare a certified cheque or money order
I used a friend to to exchange of money order for title, car and keys
oh yes, make sure you sign a contract or deed of sale via fax, this will come handy when importing
Once title/car is exchanged, you are ready to take ownership
I called trucking company and paid 600$ to transport from Florida to Champlain, NY
The rest you can handle...




So I've agreed to a price on a private sale vehicle but it is on the other side of the country. I will complete the sale without seeing the vehicle in person. I am trusting that the pictures, carfax report, owner, and Audi dealership it has been serviced at are all true to their word and the car is in good shape.
So my question is how do I make payment and make sure the title gets tranfered into my name. I'm assuming he won't transfer the title without payment. Does anyone know of an escrow company that will hold the money until title is transfered? Will his bank be able to do that?
One other question. If he has title in hand this means that their are no leins on the vehicle correct?

[jindogae]

Thanks. Unfortunately I don't have anyone to help with the exchange of money for title. Would anyone wire the money into the sellers account and trust that he turn over the title? I was hoping someone might know of an escrow service I could use.


so far so good, here is what i suggest:

bring car to another acura dealer for an inspection
You pay for service, it will cost aprx 150$
Once you get report, you proceed to nxt step
Title should be in seller's name
Be ready to prepare a certified cheque or money order
I used a friend to to exchange of money order for title, car and keys
oh yes, make sure you sign a contract or deed of sale via fax, this will come handy when importing
Once title/car is exchanged, you are ready to take ownership
I called trucking company and paid 600$ to transport from Florida to Champlain, NY
The rest you can handle...

[nocsec]

i've read through a lot (but not all!) of this thread:

planning on getting a new subaru outback. would appreciate the advice of some of the many who have traveled this path, on the best option to optimize both savings and simplicity!

thanks in advance...

[urkidn]

Anyone can share or direct me to find info on importing a car with a salvage title?
Thanks!

If this is not for parts, better check with your insurance company before purchasing. For example, in BC, ICBC will not insure a salvage title with flood damage.

[jindogae]

Hey everyone,
I will be picking up my car on monday from out west and bringing it to toronto. Could anybody comment on whether I should cross at Port Huron/Sarnia or Buffalo?

[rgc97]

Hey everyone,
I will be picking up my car on monday from out west and bringing it to toronto. Could anybody comment on whether I should cross at Port Huron/Sarnia or Buffalo?

Your choice -- whichever is more convenient for you. Only Buffalo crossing is Queenston/Lewiston, and they are open weekdays until 4pm. Not sure of Port Huron hours, but you can check.

Just make sure you know where to go (Export Offices are usually somewhat 'hidden'), and that your paperwork is there 72 hours ahead.

I'd go with the one that shortens your driving distance.

[jindogae]

Any border crossing people recommend avoiding?

[bkushner]

maybe the one between north and south korea

[sketty55]

Ok, i've read through riv.ca, the first post on this thread and a few others. I still have a few questions:

1. What types of vehicles are impacted by the green levy fee? I understand that it's typically SUV's or Van's but what kind in particular. I'm thinking of importing a Honda Odyssey or Acura MDX. What would I have to pay for a green levy for either of these vehicles.

2. According to Riv.ca "If the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) of the vehicle is less than 10,000 lbs. and the manufacture date is after September 1, 2007, it must be equipped with an electronic immobilizer system that meets Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (CMVSS) 114". What is an electronic immobilizer and do most US vehicles already have these installed? If not, how much have people paid to have these installed?

3. How do you protect yourself from any oustanding tickets, fines, or other outstanding charges from the previous owner?

4. Any recommendations for companies that offer third party inspections (I may not go to see the vehicle in person).

5. What temp tags are required for the vehicle in order to drive it accross the Canadian border? I'm planning to have the vehicle shipped to the border and then drive it accross.

6. After the deal is completed, is there any need to register the vehicle with Honda USA in the event of recall notices, etc?

Thanks!!

[Monsieurmaggot]

For those of you following along (page 1218 post #18265), I got an email from someone regarding my post about the Mazda dealership in Orangeville who took advantage of a disabled lady by charging her $66,000 for a used Mazda 6.

To them I respond publicly: While it it true that after this story went public, the dealership had no choice but to refund her money. But she was forced to return the car and now doesn't have anything to drive. Remember all she really wanted was a new set of tires....

A real respectful car company or dealership would have simply given her the car. You reading this MAZDA or BAINS execs? Imagine the good press they would get and favourable considerations from the courts for doing so. Remember they're all appearing in court on Wednesday to explain themselves. The dealership will claim they were rogue employees and immediately fired them.

Wow what a follow up.......Mazda Canada pulled this guy's franchise agreement.

http://www.thestar.com/business/article/809245--mazda-canada-terminates-controversial-orangeville-dealer

Look forward to reading about Mazda's delivery of a new free vehicle to this disabled lady.

Unfortunately one of the accused is still a partner in the Bains dealership.

Good for Mazda. Shame on Bains. Do a Google search on the stealership and the owner. A LOT of dissatisfied people out there.

[JohnEnglish]

Ok, i've read through riv.ca, the first post on this thread and a few others. I still have a few questions:

1. What types of vehicles are impacted by the green levy fee? I understand that it's typically SUV's or Van's but what kind in particular. I'm thinking of importing a Honda Odyssey or Acura MDX. What would I have to pay for a green levy for either of these vehicles. It depends on fuel economy, some cars have the green levy and some cuvs are exempt.


2. According to Riv.ca "If the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) of the vehicle is less than 10,000 lbs. and the manufacture date is after September 1, 2007, it must be equipped with an electronic immobilizer system that meets Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (CMVSS) 114". What is an electronic immobilizer and do most US vehicles already have these installed? If not, how much have people paid to have these installed?
Not 100% sure but I think there was a revision to this law.


3. How do you protect yourself from any oustanding tickets, fines, or other outstanding charges from the previous owner?All that is tired to the owner, not the vehicle. Just like if you get a ticket it's applied to you not specific to your vehicle.


4. Any recommendations for companies that offer third party inspections (I may not go to see the vehicle in person). can't help you there


5. What temp tags are required for the vehicle in order to drive it accross the Canadian border? I'm planning to have the vehicle shipped to the border and then drive it accross.I *think* it's temp tags for the stae you buy the vehicle in.


6. After the deal is completed, is there any need to register the vehicle with Honda USA in the event of recall notices, etc? yes, just to be on the safe side.

[JohnEnglish]

I'd love to do this but I lease my cars and I can't lease a new US vehicle since I live in Canada.>:(

[JPTN]

Gas guzzler tax:
Transport Canada: http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/transportation/tools/fuelratings/ratings-search.cfm
L/100km: 45% city + 55% highway
If >13.0L/100km: $1,000
>14.0L/100km: $2,000
>15.0L/100km: $3,000
>16.0L/100km: $4,000
Applicable to vehicles manufactured 2007/03 and beyond. Pickup trucks are exempt.

Independent inspections: http://www.aimmobileinspections.com/

[skyfly]

has anyone tried SGS for independent inspection from ebay motor? how was it? any good?

[freewheel]

has anyone tried SGS for independent inspection from ebay motor? how was it? any good?

I used them, for $99 it is a good deal. Then found the etire right side of the car I was looking at had been repainted and some other info that killed the deal for me.

Took about 25 photos and gave excellent descriptions as well as a basic test drive. This is not as in depth an inspection as others, but I would use them again.

Best $99 I ever spent

[Kaabik]

what are some websites for vehicle inspections? is it based on the location of the vehicle? I am going to need one for in minnesota.

If anyone can help me out that would be fantastic.

Thanks.

[roamer]

If i buy a certified used car from new jersey and bring it to toronto and register it in toronto, do i need to pay sales tax in new jersey (i.e. 7%)
the honda dealership in new jersey insisted that i have to pay the sales tax
in new jersey

Thank you for your kind help.

[jindogae]

When I was looking to import an a6 from NJ the salesman told me that I would not be required to pay sales tax. The car was to be shipped from the dealership to me here in T.O. so I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it.

[sassysue]

When I was looking to import an a6 from NJ the salesman told me that I would not be required to pay sales tax. The car was to be shipped from the dealership to me here in T.O. so I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it.

did you buy the car thru the phone or did you view it and how much was shipping?

[fruzmatik]

If i buy a certified used car from new jersey and bring it to toronto and register it in toronto, do i need to pay sales tax in new jersey (i.e. 7%)
the honda dealership in new jersey insisted that i have to pay the sales tax
in new jersey

Thank you for your kind help.

Bought an A4 in NJ and drove back. Paid no US Sales tax.

[JPTN]

what are some websites for vehicle inspections? is it based on the location of the vehicle? I am going to need one for in minnesota.Read. 1 & 3 posts up: Independent inspections: http://www.aimmobileinspections.com/ & http://sgs-ebay.sgsauto.com/


... do i need to pay sales tax in new jersey (i.e. 7%)Sales tax: It depends on the state and the dealership's franchise agreement. Some states have legal requirements for who they charge state tax to. e.g. Michigan doesn't charge state tax is the vehicle is shipped. Some dealerships cannot sell vehicles for export/out-of-state so they have to charge state tax so it is a "local" sale on their books.

[riffr aff]

the loonie free fall is going to cost me a LOT of money in about a month unless it rebounds. booooooooooo.

[frank664]

What are your guys thoughts on the CAN$? I have $30000 I need to convert. Would it be good to do it now or just wait. The delivery of my new ouback is Early July.

Thanks

[Anonymouse]

Thanks. Unfortunately I don't have anyone to help with the exchange of money for title. Would anyone wire the money into the sellers account and trust that he turn over the title? I was hoping someone might know of an escrow service I could use.

You can hire a lawyer to do this; it shouldn't cost very much. Lawyers are thick on the ground down there. Basically seller delivers the signed title to the lawyer and lawyer gives him the money.

[quigon]

What are your guys thoughts on the CAN$? I have $30000 I need to convert. Would it be good to do it now or just wait. The delivery of my new ouback is Early July.

Thanks

I am still hoping it will bounce back. I also set a low limit for myself; once it falls below $1CAD=90centsUS, I will click that 'confirm trade' button regardless. It gonna to cost but considering I'm still saving thousands of dollars :lol:

[smacd]

What are your guys thoughts on the CAN$? I have $30000 I need to convert. Would it be good to do it now or just wait. The delivery of my new ouback is Early July.

Thanks

In lieu of the 2 cent drop today, I'd wait a bit. As we get closer to the bank of Canada dates for setting the interest rates, it should rebound, as most people think there will be at least a bit of an increase. That should help the $ go up.

[jindogae]

Through autotrader. The dealer was willing to ship the car to me in Toronto for $800

did you buy the car thru the phone or did you view it and how much was shipping?

[canabiz]

What are your guys thoughts on the CAN$? I have $30000 I need to convert. Would it be good to do it now or just wait. The delivery of my new ouback is Early July.

Thanks

You still have a bit of time so hang tight for now. This is just the ebb and flow of currency exchange.

Silver lining is maybe the border crossings won't be as busy now :lol:

[sketty55]

Two more questions:

1. What is everything that the dealership needs to fax to the border crossing? Is it just the vehicle title, registration, and sales receipts?? What about the recall letter?

2. When is the best time to complete the independent inspection of the vehicle before the purchase. I'm assuming this would be after you provide the down payment and make some type of arrangement with the dealer that the sale is dependent on the result of the inspection.

Thanks!

[briandwlee]

Two more questions:

1. What is everything that the dealership needs to fax to the border crossing? Is it just the vehicle title, registration, and sales receipts?? What about the recall letter?

2. When is the best time to complete the independent inspection of the vehicle before the purchase. I'm assuming this would be after you provide the down payment and make some type of arrangement with the dealer that the sale is dependent on the result of the inspection.

Thanks!


1. Fax vehicle export worksheet(get it from Resources at www.ucanimport.com), title assigned to you with seller's signature and an invoice. If it's used and purchased from a dealer, they might give you a supplemental assignment of ownership, which is used to reassign a used vehicle, which has been assigned to them from the original owner, to you.

You don't need to fax a recall clearance letter or registration.

If the dealer you are dealing with does not have enough experience exporting vehicles to Canada, I would fax them myself. Let them fax all documents to you and fax them to US border by yourself. That way, you'll have more control.

2. You can do it whenever, but, if you do it after making a deposit, get a written agreement from a sales manager at the dealership that the deposit is fully refundable if the inspection result does not meet your expectation and satisfaction, and make deposit with your credit card. Do not wire or send a money order/bank draft to them. If there's any issue, credit card payment is lot easier to get refund. Even if the dealer does not give you refund, you can call your credit card company to cancel the transaction.

Please make sure you get the written agreement from a sales manager, not from a salesperson you are dealing with. Salespersons cannot make any decision on anything. They are just middlemen.

[jindogae]

I'm importing a used car on Wed. I am wondering if I'm required to do a safety and emissions at the Canadian Tire doing the RIV inspection or can I get it done at an independant mechanic prior to going to Canadian Tire?

[freewheel]

I'm importing a used car on Wed. I am wondering if I'm required to do a safety and emissions at the Canadian Tire doing the RIV inspection or can I get it done at an independant mechanic prior to going to Canadian Tire?


You can get the safety and emissions done anywhere. I generally avoid Canadian tire mechanics whenever possible.

[rgc97]

Silver lining is maybe the border crossings won't be as busy now :lol:

2 hr delay at Sarnia/Port Huron Friday afternoon (start of the long weekend). :cry:

[Kevlarcat]

Alright I got a question. I need to know if this will work.

I want to import a shell, (complete car minus engine and transmission), to use as a project car. Is it possible to bring the car over on a trailer, and successfully import it without an engine and tranny? After it gets to my house I plan on taking a few weeks to get it running, and then take it to pass inpection and aircare.

Does this seem possible? Or does it have to be a complete car to be imported?

Thanks!

[briandwlee]

Alright I got a question. I need to know if this will work.

I want to import a shell, (complete car minus engine and transmission), to use as a project car. Is it possible to bring the car over on a trailer, and successfully import it without an engine and tranny? After it gets to my house I plan on taking a few weeks to get it running, and then take it to pass inpection and aircare.

Does this seem possible? Or does it have to be a complete car to be imported?

Thanks!

Call RIV. They will let you know.

[Kevlarcat]

Call RIV. They will let you know.

Its older than 15 years so its not something they deal with I think. I'll call them anyways

[shopper-X]

Alright I got a question. I need to know if this will work.

I want to import a shell, (complete car minus engine and transmission), to use as a project car. Is it possible to bring the car over on a trailer, and successfully import it without an engine and tranny? After it gets to my house I plan on taking a few weeks to get it running, and then take it to pass inpection and aircare.

Does this seem possible? Or does it have to be a complete car to be imported?

Thanks!

I believe they will consider this "Parts" and not a motor vehicle. There is no engine or transmission so it's not a motorized vehicle.

[copter]

Just finishing off importing a used 2010 Toyota Avalon from Tennessee. Pretty staright forward with just this 1 snag. While the car is equippend with DRL, the Canadaian Tire store I took it to for the RIV inspection failed it due to having the ability to turn the DRL off (I can turn the light knob to the "DRL off" position). I'm pretty sure I can find another store that will pass it as-is, but a not positive. Has anyone else had a similar encounter? There's no way I'm having them install a 2nd set of DRL (hooked up to the fog lights) when the car's already equippend with DRL. An alternative would be for me to read up on how to disable the "DRL off" setting and then it will surely pass, but that will require a bit of technical knowledge.

EDIT to add: After doing a quick search, it seems like it's luck of the draw as to which store I get. I'll try putting a piece of tape over the "DRL off" indicator to see if that will do the trick (as someone previously suggested).

[rjmbc]

Just finishing off importing a used 2010 Toyota Avalon from Tennessee. Pretty staright forward with just this 1 snag. While the car is equippend with DRL, the Canadaian Tire store I took it to for the RIV inspection failed it due to having the ability to turn the DRL off (I can turn the light knob to the "DRL off" position). I'm pretty sure I can find another store that will pass it as-is, but a not positive. Has anyone else had a similar encounter? There's no way I'm having them install a 2nd set of DRL (hooked up to the fog lights) when the car's already equippend with DRL. An alternative would be for me to read up on how to disable the "DRL off" setting and then it will surely pass, but that will require a bit of technical knowledge.

EDIT to add: After doing a quick search, it seems like it's luck of the draw as to which store I get. I'll try putting a piece of tape over the "DRL off" indicator to see if that will do the trick (as someone previously suggested).

If that doesn't work, I had a local Toyota Dealer disable the switch. They charged me $100, but threw in a free car wash etc. I also had them switch the MPG to L/100KM etc.

[icedout23]

anyone ever try or imported an Acura TSX if so how much did you save and what dealership did you deal with

Thanks in advance

[jed]

Just finishing off importing a used 2010 Toyota Avalon from Tennessee. Pretty staright forward with just this 1 snag. While the car is equippend with DRL, the Canadaian Tire store I took it to for the RIV inspection failed it due to having the ability to turn the DRL off (I can turn the light knob to the "DRL off" position). I'm pretty sure I can find another store that will pass it as-is, but a not positive. Has anyone else had a similar encounter? There's no way I'm having them install a 2nd set of DRL (hooked up to the fog lights) when the car's already equippend with DRL. An alternative would be for me to read up on how to disable the "DRL off" setting and then it will surely pass, but that will require a bit of technical knowledge.

EDIT to add: After doing a quick search, it seems like it's luck of the draw as to which store I get. I'll try putting a piece of tape over the "DRL off" indicator to see if that will do the trick (as someone previously suggested).

Had same thing on my Uplander - but I have a buddy in "the business" who sent me the wiring diagram for the headlight switch from the unit repair manual, and thus had to snip a pink wire to disable the DRL shutoff. Took 5 mins, including cleanup.

If you can find a similar diagram for your Toyota, perhaps you can do the same.

[copter]

Just finishing off importing a used 2010 Toyota Avalon from Tennessee. Pretty staright forward with just this 1 snag. While the car is equippend with DRL, the Canadaian Tire store I took it to for the RIV inspection failed it due to having the ability to turn the DRL off (I can turn the light knob to the "DRL off" position). I'm pretty sure I can find another store that will pass it as-is, but a not positive. Has anyone else had a similar encounter? There's no way I'm having them install a 2nd set of DRL (hooked up to the fog lights) when the car's already equippend with DRL. An alternative would be for me to read up on how to disable the "DRL off" setting and then it will surely pass, but that will require a bit of technical knowledge.

EDIT to add: After doing a quick search, it seems like it's luck of the draw as to which store I get. I'll try putting a piece of tape over the "DRL off" indicator to see if that will do the trick (as someone previously suggested).


Just as a follow-up to this. I took it to another Canadian Tire store for the RIV inspection and it passed without issue. Thanks all for the help.

[Albertan]

Hi guys,

I am looking to bring a nearly new (2009, but used) car into Alberta. I am going to import it through the Coutts, AB / Sweet Grass, MT crossing.


1) Can I import/export a car through this port?

2) What are the hours I can do this? M-F, 9-4?

[tcharged]

Hi guys,

I am looking to bring a nearly new (2009, but used) car into Alberta. I am going to import it through the Coutts, AB / Sweet Grass, MT crossing.


1) Can I import/export a car through this port?

2) What are the hours I can do this? M-F, 9-4?

Of course you can import during these hours, and if you google this border crossing, call them and ask their hours

[rjmbc]

Hi guys,

I am looking to bring a nearly new (2009, but used) car into Alberta. I am going to import it through the Coutts, AB / Sweet Grass, MT crossing.


1) Can I import/export a car through this port?

2) What are the hours I can do this? M-F, 9-4?


Here is a printout from another website. The other website also indicates it is open 24/7 not just the hours you want. But I suggest that you call them.

Sweetgrass
Location Coutts, Alberta & Sweetgrass, Montana
Export Hours As per web site (link below)
Telephone (406) 432.5522 (you will reach the Whitlash Office, which processes the documentation for vehicle exports through all Idaho and Montana border crossings. However, you will still cross through the address below.)
Fax (406) 432.5528
E-Mail N/A
Web Site Click here
Address Interstate 15 N at Canadian border, Sweetgrass, MT 59484 (Map)

[topvista]

can I have the dealer in USA to transport a new car into Canada, I don't go to USA and finish the importing process in Canada?

[rjmbc]

can I have the dealer in USA to transport a new car into Canada, I don't go to USA and finish the importing process in Canada?

It can be significantly more expensive to have the vehicle shipped "over the border" than just "to the border". You would probably save considerable money having it shipped to Blaine - about two blocks south of the Pacific Highway Crossing & going across and bringing it in yourself.

If you want to PM me, I can "talk you through" the whole process.

[tkertise]

Hey All,

I have decided to get a 2010 Lexus RX350 AWD with some options added on. Not the top of the line but mid range.

I have emailed a couple of dealers in the NW (Seattle, Portland, NWish US...) but they have all said that they don't sell new to Canadians, they offer their used 2010, which I might be ok with, but I'm wondering if anyone has dealt with any Lexus dealerships on new cars? If so could I get a some contact details or dealership names?

Thanks
Tyler

[jacquesrules]

How does a private seller in Texas provide me with temp tags if I'm having the car shipped to the border ? And how does he transfer the ownership to me ?

thank you!

[edii]

any one have any experiences with mercedes imports to canada? any thoughts would be appreciated. :)

[smacd]

Hey All,

I have decided to get a 2010 Lexus RX350 AWD with some options added on. Not the top of the line but mid range.

I have emailed a couple of dealers in the NW (Seattle, Portland, NWish US...) but they have all said that they don't sell new to Canadians, they offer their used 2010, which I might be ok with, but I'm wondering if anyone has dealt with any Lexus dealerships on new cars? If so could I get a some contact details or dealership names?

Thanks
Tyler

American Toyota/Lexus dealers are heavily penalized for selling new vehicles to Canadians. There is no penalty for selling used. In order to buy new, you must register the vehicle to a US address first, then transfer it to you. This protects the dealer. You can either do this with a friend/relative that lives in the USA (note: They will have to pay state sales tax if the state has one, and also pay for the registration in their state. In Oregon, it's around $350 to register a car.), or use the services of one of the companies/members here who will handle the registration in a US state and transfer the registration to you.

[tkertise]

American Toyota/Lexus dealers are heavily penalized for selling new vehicles to Canadians. There is no penalty for selling used. In order to buy new, you must register the vehicle to a US address first, then transfer it to you. This protects the dealer. You can either do this with a friend/relative that lives in the USA (note: They will have to pay state sales tax if the state has one, and also pay for the registration in their state. In Oregon, it's around $350 to register a car.), or use the services of one of the companies/members here who will handle the registration in a US state and transfer the registration to you.

Do you know of any of these services off hand that will register it for you?

Tyler

[bkushner]

just tape over the knob and I also popped off the cover for the knob and inserted a piece of rubber to stop the knob from rotating to the off position just in case. Took 5 minutes.

[bkushner]

a broker can buy for you.

[lg777]

American Toyota/Lexus dealers are heavily penalized for selling new vehicles to Canadians. There is no penalty for selling used. In order to buy new, you must register the vehicle to a US address first, then transfer it to you. This protects the dealer. You can either do this with a friend/relative that lives in the USA (note: They will have to pay state sales tax if the state has one, and also pay for the registration in their state. In Oregon, it's around $350 to register a car.), or use the services of one of the companies/members here who will handle the registration in a US state and transfer the registration to you.

Do you have more information on this transfer service?

I have an Odyssey coming out of lease and instead of buying it out, I could pay a bit more and get a new Sienna in the US. My brother lives in the US so I could get him to do the purchase and transfer it over to me but not sure exactly how to do this and then get it across the border.

[tcharged]

Do you have more information on this transfer service?

I have an Odyssey coming out of lease and instead of buying it out, I could pay a bit more and get a new Sienna in the US. My brother lives in the US so I could get him to do the purchase and transfer it over to me but not sure exactly how to do this and then get it across the border.

buddy, definitely buy from the US. huge savings there.

[smacd]

Do you have more information on this transfer service?

I have an Odyssey coming out of lease and instead of buying it out, I could pay a bit more and get a new Sienna in the US. My brother lives in the US so I could get him to do the purchase and transfer it over to me but not sure exactly how to do this and then get it across the border.

What state? If it's close to you and there's no sales tax, he purchases it, registers it in his name, then sells it to you. You get a temp permit and temp insurance, then drive it home and go through the very easy importation process.

[smacd]

Do you know of any of these services off hand that will register it for you?

Tyler

We used and highly recommend rjmbc.

[lg777]

What state? If it's close to you and there's no sales tax, he purchases it, registers it in his name, then sells it to you. You get a temp permit and temp insurance, then drive it home and go through the very easy importation process.

He's in Georgia.

But the thing is I have the Touring model so getting all the bells and whistles on a new Sienna is going to cost a lot as well unless I put these things in with aftermarket parts.

[topvista]

American Toyota/Lexus dealers are heavily penalized for selling new vehicles to Canadians. There is no penalty for selling used. In order to buy new, you must register the vehicle to a US address first, then transfer it to you. This protects the dealer. You can either do this with a friend/relative that lives in the USA (note: They will have to pay state sales tax if the state has one, and also pay for the registration in their state. In Oregon, it's around $350 to register a car.), or use the services of one of the companies/members here who will handle the registration in a US state and transfer the registration to you.


I still have some problems:
1. to register the new car in tax-free state or in friend's state?
2. after my friend transfer the car to me ,where to get the documentations for exporting this "used car" from USA?
3. some dealers told me that the new car should remain in USA at least 6 months,so,can I drive the car home and finish import process in just a few days after buying the car?

[petaling108]

st.louis lexus informed me for a 2010 demonstrator listed on ebay.com not exactly new car:


vehicle must be registered in the U.S., all taxes & license fees paid & can not be exported for 90 days.

- lexusstlouis

Lexus of Manhattan told me it takes approx 2 months to get the MCO
relative must pay tax in or out of NY.Without MCO cant export car.I suppose you can drive up to Canada with NY license plate and then drive it back to US and then export it once MCO is received by your relative


may be similar for Toyota.

[smacd]

I still have some problems:
1. to register the new car in tax-free state or in friend's state?
2. after my friend transfer the car to me ,where to get the documentations for exporting this "used car" from USA?
3. some dealers told me that the new car should remain in USA at least 6 months,so,can I drive the car home and finish import process in just a few days after buying the car?

1. I can't make that decision for you

2. When the friend sells the car to you, you get a bill of sale. A copy of it must be sent to the US side of the border crossing you plan on using, because you must export the vehicle out of the USA. They need this info at least 72 hours before you arrive with the car so they can check that it's lien free and not stolen.

3. Dealers are full of sh*t and will tell you anything. Nissan will require a US car to be registered in the US for 6 months before they'll honour a US warranty in Canada. There's no RIV requirement for any car to be registered in the USA first. RIV is the agency that regulates all importation.

[JPTN]

Certain manufacturers have extra conditions on warranty.
GM must have 6 months and 12,000 km.
Nissan must be 6 months old but you can get around this IF you purchase (new) the vehicle in the US and register it to your name and transfer it to the same name in Canada. (This assumes you can purchase in the US: US driver's license/dual-citizen.)
etc.

Certain manufacturers go the extra mile and void their warranty so you can't even take it back to the US: Honda/Acura.

Your US counterpart (friend/relative) does not need to register the vehicle in their state in order to resell it to you.

If you're considering a broker, you should use a registered one from the North American Automobile Trade Association: http://www.naata.org/naata/import1.html

Their CEO, Brian Osler, is part of the huge class action lawsuit against multiple manufacturers over their artificial import barriers and restrictions.

[Cough]

American Toyota/Lexus dealers are heavily penalized for selling new vehicles to Canadians. There is no penalty for selling used. In order to buy new, you must register the vehicle to a US address first, then transfer it to you. This protects the dealer. You can either do this with a friend/relative that lives in the USA (note: They will have to pay state sales tax if the state has one, and also pay for the registration in their state. In Oregon, it's around $350 to register a car.), or use the services of one of the companies/members here who will handle the registration in a US state and transfer the registration to you.

Basically what he said. I bought my 2010 RX350 new via a friend who lives in Oregon. I did not have to register it in Oregon. He just told the seller (Portland Lexus) that he didn't want it registered, and signed over the MSO to me. Then I purchased a temprary 21 day transit permit from Oregon DMV for $30.

[smacd]

Basically what he said. I bought my 2010 RX350 new via a friend who lives in Oregon. I did not have to register it in Oregon. He just told the seller (Portland Lexus) that he didn't want it registered, and signed over the MSO to me. Then I purchased a temprary 21 day transit permit from Oregon DMV for $30.

I guess this is a YMMV. The 2 dealers that I dealt with in Oregon both insisted the car had to be registered in the US.

[jacquesrules]

Hello,
Can someone advise me regarding how a transfer of title work in the US between me and a private seller ? Also, how can a private seller obtain temp tags (in texas)?
Thanks!

[rjmbc]

Hello,
Can someone advise me regarding how a transfer of title work in the US between me and a private seller ? Also, how can a private seller obtain temp tags (in texas)?
Thanks!

Looks like you can get the temporary permit online - https://vision21.txdot.gov/Vehicle/VehicleLookupForPermit.aspx

[jindogae]

Title transfer may very depending on state. I just imported a car from oregon and the previous owner did not sign the title. Instead we completed a secure odometer reading/reassignment. Previously I thought that the previous owner would sign the the back of the title. Best thing would be to call the local dmv for the state you're interested in.


Hello,
Can someone advise me regarding how a transfer of title work in the US between me and a private seller ? Also, how can a private seller obtain temp tags (in texas)?
Thanks!

[BestMotoring]

I was wondering if anyone has used a good broker they would recommend. Any PMs would be appreciated.

I was planning to use www.car4sale.ca but I can't seem to find any review of them on rfd. Has anyone used them before?

[shopper-X]

I was wondering if anyone has used a good broker they would recommend. Any PMs would be appreciated.

I was planning to use www.car4sale.ca but I can't seem to find any review of them on rfd. Has anyone used them before?

It's hard to trust a site when Exotic is spelt "EGZOTIC"

[Dailow]

I'm about to import a used car from the US.
I've agreed in principal to a deal with a private seller who mentioned that he wanted to do a pass-through sale with a dealership.

I tried googling it but can someone let me know if this is how it's supposed to work?

1) Seller and I agree upon a price.
2) Seller goes to a dealer, pays a small fee for the pass-through sale and receives the equivalent trade-in value of the price we agreed upon.
3) Documents are signed over to the dealer.
4) Dealer sells me the car at the price I agreed upon with the seller.
5) I put down a deposit with the dealer via CC.
6) Do I get to sign any documents/take documents with me at this point?
7) I wire the rest of the payment over.
8) Proceed with getting the right documentation to US Customs, and so on...



I guess the part I'm not sure about yet is where my money goes (to the dealer or the seller?) and when I get the documentation. If the dealer will only give me the documentation after the full amount has been paid, will they fax it over to me to sign, and then forward that to customs?

[asingh70]

Hi All,
Looking to buy and import 2008/2009 AUDI Q5 3.2 Quattro Premium Sport Utility from US. Can some one guide me where to buy in US and how much should price.

Mileage not more then 50K or 60K Miles
Thx
Anil

[smacd]

Hi All,
Looking to buy and import 2008/2009 AUDI Q5 3.2 Quattro Premium Sport Utility from US. Can some one guide me where to buy in US and how much should price.

Mileage not more then 50K or 60K Miles
Thx
Anil

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/searchresults.jsp?lastStartYear=1981&num_records=75&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&search_type=both&distance=0&address=98101&marketZipError=false&style_flag=1&make=AUDI&model=Q5&make2=&start_year=2008&end_year=2009&min_price=&max_price=&seller_type=b&transmission=&engine=&drive=&doors=&fuel=&max_mileage=60000&color=&keywordsrep=05104605003208111709711611611411103208 0114101109105117109&keywordsfyc=__My4yIFF1YXR0cm8gUHJlbWl1bQ%2C%2C__&keywords_display=3.2+Quattro+Premium&sort_type=mileageASC&body_code=0&certified=&advanced=y&highlightFirstMakeModel=&showZipError=n&default_sort=mileageASC&awsp=false&systime=&rdm=1275324580646

[asingh70]

Thanks,
Do you know how much should Negotiate on price?
.
Thanks


http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/searchresults.jsp?lastStartYear=1981&num_records=75&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&search_type=both&distance=0&address=98101&marketZipError=false&style_flag=1&make=AUDI&model=Q5&make2=&start_year=2008&end_year=2009&min_price=&max_price=&seller_type=b&transmission=&engine=&drive=&doors=&fuel=&max_mileage=60000&color=&keywordsrep=05104605003208111709711611611411103208 0114101109105117109&keywordsfyc=__My4yIFF1YXR0cm8gUHJlbWl1bQ%2C%2C__&keywords_display=3.2+Quattro+Premium&sort_type=mileageASC&body_code=0&certified=&advanced=y&highlightFirstMakeModel=&showZipError=n&default_sort=mileageASC&awsp=false&systime=&rdm=1275324580646

[shopper-X]

Thanks,
Do you know how much should Negotiate on price?
.
Thanks

Used vehicle values at http://www.vmrintl.com/ (www.vmrcanada.com for Canadian prices)

[Monsieurmaggot]

Congratulations to everyone who imported a Subaru or Infiniti over the past few years.

According to an article today at: http://autos.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Autos/20100527/autos-cato-black-book-100528/?s_name=Autos the Canadian Black Book site shows the Subarus and Infinitis retain the most residual value.

[jontfl]

Hi everyone,

Looking at importing a 2008 BMW. What's the latest scoop on the hoops BMW is making us Canadians jump through to register it up here?

Last I hear here, BMW Canada was charging 500 for the recall letter, I believe, and in order to get the privilege to spend 500 on the recall letter, you had to have a BMW Canada dealer replace the HVAC and speedo for another few thousand.

Is there any way(s) around this? I wouldn't die if I had to pay $500 for a recall letter, but replacing the HVAC and speedo is ridiculous.

Thanks!

I just imported a 2010 5 Series 2 weeks ago, got on a business trip after that. Spent a Saturday on the remaining procedure and finished everything in one day. I used a guy ( just do a search on internet with BMW & unityauto ) to get the clearance letter. I bought my car with a US dealer, and I tried to call several US dealers including BMW US , none of them was willing to give me the Vehicle Warranty Inquiry which RIV also accepts. But the guy at unity auto provided the canadian clearance letter for $375.

My car has DRL configurable, 0 modification needed to pass RIV inspection. Even if it's not configurable, the dealer said he would do it for me without any charge. You can get DRL done for $100 here in Toronto with a reputable garage.

DRL is simply an ON/OFF option in 2010. I suspect it must be the same in 2008 models. Just make sure you configure it as ON for your profile before going to CT for the RIV inspection.

[Albertan]

I am buying a car out of New Jersey and having it shipped out of state. It's a used car (2009).
Do I pay NJ state sales tax? Or can I get an exemption? Is there even NJ state on a USED car? Do you pay it upon purchase, or upon registration ?

Thanks!

[michelb]

I just imported a 2010 5 Series 2 weeks ago, got on a business trip after that. Spent a Saturday on the remaining procedure and finished everything in one day. I used a guy ( just do a search on internet with BMW & unityauto ) to get the clearance letter. I bought my car with a US dealer, and I tried to call several US dealers including BMW US , none of them was willing to give me the Vehicle Warranty Inquiry which RIV also accepts. But the guy at unity auto provided the canadian clearance letter for $375.

My car has DRL configurable, 0 modification needed to pass RIV inspection. Even if it's not configurable, the dealer said he would do it for me without any charge. You can get DRL done for $100 here in Toronto with a reputable garage.

DRL is simply an ON/OFF option in 2010. I suspect it must be the same in 2008 models. Just make sure you configure it as ON for your profile before going to CT for the RIV inspection.

The only issue is that I believe if you don't have BMW Canada do all the work, they will not honor the warranty. (also technically you shouldn't have passed the RIV inspection if DRL is configurable but they don't really know any better so that's no biggie).

[Monsieurmaggot]

I'm told that some US Lexus dealers are now emailing Canadian consumers who were originally denied a new vehicle purchase.

They are "motivated" to sell.

Interesting change of heart.

Curious to see if it's a pitch to sell used or demo. units.

If anyone can confirm, please post a confirmation. Please don't say who they are. PM me if you want to tell me.

Be weary of anyone will less than a dozen posts or that have recently joined.

A few RFDers inadvertently provided the dealer details to corporate moles.

[Kaabik]

Well I have started my process.

I just put a deposit down on a 2008 infiniti fx35 from minneapolis.

I also just got a inspection ordered, so hopefully things will go well.

Thanks to everyone on this forum for being very helpful.

I will post updates as they happen with regards to the process.

[BestMotoring]

Has anyone crossed using Ogdensburg before?

[jontfl]

I am buying a car out of New Jersey and having it shipped out of state. It's a used car (2009).
Do I pay NJ state sales tax? Or can I get an exemption? Is there even NJ state on a USED car? Do you pay it upon purchase, or upon registration ?

Thanks!

I know many states won't charge you the state tax if you are exporting. The dealer will be able to tell you that. In cases that I know, none of them was charged state tax in the bill of sale.

[Deadlock91]

Well I have started my process.

I just put a deposit down on a 2008 infiniti fx35 from minneapolis.

I also just got a inspection ordered, so hopefully things will go well.

Thanks to everyone on this forum for being very helpful.

I will post updates as they happen with regards to the process.

nice, what price did you end up paying for it?

[ziploc]

I tried to search but the keyword is to short..

who did use XE.com for their payment..??

How did it worked ??

What did You used; wire transfer, something else ??

What was the fees, etc ??


An answer would be appreciated as my bank charged 3% more than actual rate and have a +/- 200$ fee....

Thanks in advance

[rgc97]

I tried to search but the keyword is to short..

who did use XE.com for their payment..??

How did it worked ??

What did You used; wire transfer, something else ??

What was the fees, etc ??


An answer would be appreciated as my bank charged 3% more than actual rate and have a +/- 200$ fee....

Thanks in advance

I took a bank draft, both times. Latest was with VanBortel earlier this year, and they prefer a draft (no deposit, just take the draft when you go to pick up the car). Previous was with a Toyota dealer further south, and they were slow in getting banking info to me for a wire transfer, so I went down with a draft. Took them awhile to understand that a Canadian draft is safe -- they phoned my bank, who immedaitely faxed them a letter stating the Bank guarantees the draft and the $$ was already out of my a/c.

A draft costs me $5.

It's the FX fee that hurts. Best if you have a US $ a/c, and can monitor rates before making the switch. For a new car, you should be able to get less than 1% FX fee from your bank (and better with XE or others). I've been under 1% both times with my bank (for >25K). I remember someone on RedFlag talking about getting about a 0.5% fee (his firm did big FX exchanges, so he was able to get a special deal).

[ziploc]

I took a bank draft, both times. Latest was with VanBortel earlier this year, and they prefer a draft (no deposit, just take the draft when you go to pick up the car). Previous was with a Toyota dealer further south, and they were slow in getting banking info to me for a wire transfer, so I went down with a draft. Took them awhile to understand that a Canadian draft is safe -- they phoned my bank, who immedaitely faxed them a letter stating the Bank guarantees the draft and the $$ was already out of my a/c.

A draft costs me $5.

It's the FX fee that hurts. Best if you have a US $ a/c, and can monitor rates before making the switch. For a new car, you should be able to get less than 1% FX fee from your bank (and better with XE or others). I've been under 1% both times with my bank (for >25K). I remember someone on RedFlag talking about getting about a 0.5% fee (his firm did big FX exchanges, so he was able to get a special deal).

Thx for reply, it's appreciated even I'm some how familiar with the procedure

I already purchased 2 cars in US...and used a wire transfer...FX fees and bank fees as I stated...

I though about bank draft but the car is in Florida..and it will be shipped out..
maybe I can fedex it...will see...
for me the simplest way would be the wire transfer...but here again the fees...
that's why I might use XE.com...

I wanted some feedback from people who did use it....to understand how it works and what was the fees...

[zircon]

I tried to search but the keyword is to short..

who did use XE.com for their payment..??

How did it worked ??

What did You used; wire transfer, something else ??

What was the fees, etc ??


An answer would be appreciated as my bank charged 3% more than actual rate and have a +/- 200$ fee....

Thanks in advance

I have used them 2x. Their fee depends on how $ you transfer, but it will probably be around 0.75 cents above the trading value on the market. They revise market rates every 20 seconds or so, basically real time. It is much cheaper than any bank. There is no fee beyond the amount added to the actual exchange rate. I wired them money and they wired it to a US car dealer in case 1 and back into another of my bank accounts in case 2. It takes time to set up an acount so do not leave it to the last day.

[ziploc]

I have used them 2x. Their fee depends on how $ you transfer, but it will probably be around 0.75 cents above the trading value on the market. They revise market rates every 20 seconds or so, basically real time. It is much cheaper than any bank. There is no fee beyond the amount added to the actual exchange rate. I wired them money and they wired it to a US car dealer in case 1 and back into another of my bank accounts in case 2. It takes time to set up an acount so do not leave it to the last day.

Thank You for the reply,

can you tell me how long did it took for the case 1 ??

From Your transfer to the dealer having money in his account ??

And how long did it took to open an account with them ??

Thx in advance for help...appreciated

[Kaabik]

i just received my inspection from http://www.aimmobileinspections.com/

I was very impressed with it.

It has found some problems with the vehicle that I am going to go back to them to get fixed before any sort of purchase.

[Kaabik]

nice, what price did you end up paying for it?

The price i have at the moment is 27,900 for a 08 fx35 with sport/tech/touring/blue tooth.

[bkushner]

nice price. Too bad them audi q5's cost so much even in the US.

[Albertan]

Hi everyone,

I am buying a car i found on ebay from a dealer with 100% feedback, but i got him to agree to a lower price, off ebay. I believe they want a bank draft or wire - is there any way to protect myself using this method? I am reasonably certain it's all above board, as they have 329+ feedback on ebay and 100% feedback, but still...

[Monsieurmaggot]

Hi everyone,

I am buying a car i found on ebay from a dealer with 100% feedback, but i got him to agree to a lower price, off ebay. I believe they want a bank draft or wire - is there any way to protect myself using this method? I am reasonably certain it's all above board, as they have 329+ feedback on ebay and 100% feedback, but still...

i've received emails from people who've used third party (legitimate) companies that offer eBay escrow services.

For any eBay purchase over $5000 it makes sense to use this service.

[KillaB]

If there's a motorcycle I'd like to purchase in California, does it need to be shipped across the border with a broker to qualify for state tax exemption (even for private sales)?

Since the owner lives in Cali, I can't just have it shipped to Washington State and expect to get out of paying the Cali taxes, correct?

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/wow-new-cars-us-up-30-cheaper-cost-import-under-200-a-307601/977/#post7015277

[rjmbc]

If there's a motorcycle I'd like to purchase in California, does it need to be shipped across the border with a broker to qualify for state tax exemption (even for private sales)?

Since the owner lives in Cali, I can't just have it shipped to Washington State and expect to get out of paying the Cali taxes, correct?

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/wow-new-cars-us-up-30-cheaper-cost-import-under-200-a-307601/977/#post7015277

To legally avoid paying California sales tax, you must take delivery of the vehicle outside California. - i.e. Nevada or Oregon are the closest states. There is no need to have a broker involved. Have the vendor either drive it or ship it to the Nevada or Oregon border where you can take delivery.

[michelb]

If there's a motorcycle I'd like to purchase in California, does it need to be shipped across the border with a broker to qualify for state tax exemption (even for private sales)?
...

I believe that for private sale it's a non-issue (the vendor isn't going to collect the tax). The only issue is that I suspect you would not be able to get a temp permit unless you go to the DMV and pay the taxes.

[jindogae]

Has anyone else received a letter from the ministry of revenue after purchasing a US vehicle through private sale? I received my canadian certification from the riv yesterday. Today I received a letter from ministry of revenue asking for confirmation of purchase price, casual short form entry (not sure what this is), customs and excise declaration form, and duty and excise taxes.
If anyone knows what the excise tax and salual short form entry I'd appreciate some information.

[shopper-X]

Has anyone else received a letter from the ministry of revenue after purchasing a US vehicle through private sale? I received my canadian certification from the riv yesterday. Today I received a letter from ministry of revenue asking for confirmation of purchase price, casual short form entry (not sure what this is), customs and excise declaration form, and duty and excise taxes.
If anyone knows what the excise tax and salual short form entry I'd appreciate some information.

Probably got randomly selected to prove the price you declared is the price you actually paid. If you declared it too low at the border, move to a new country quick! kidding. Just fill out the forms and send it in.

[Fox2k]

Is anyone aware of a Subaru dealership within reasonable driving distance of Ottawa (~8 hours) that still actively deals with Canadian customers?

[zircon]

Thank You for the reply,

can you tell me how long did it took for the case 1 ??

From Your transfer to the dealer having money in his account ??

And how long did it took to open an account with them ??

Thx in advance for help...appreciated

First time, I bought 40K US. It took about 4-5 days to get my account set up and cleared to change that amount of money. Once the trade went through, the money was taken from my account ind placed into the US card dealer's in a short time (1 day?).

2nd time I traded more and the XE people made me fill out a series of forms, they contacted by bank to ensure I was who I said I was etc. I found this very frustrating, but they dconsider it due diligence and protective for all involved. Then my bank gave me an incorrect trading code and the payment to my account failed. It took about 3 days to straighten that mess out. I think they billed be $15 for the failed transfer, but I didn't pursue it. They are far more cautious with large amounts.

[Kaabik]

well my deal fell threw on the fx35 i was planning on buying. I gave my deposit but sold the car under me while i was waiting for my inspection..

does anyone know of any brokers that would ship the vehicle to saskatchewan, or is out of saskatchewan?

[xiaoxiong0607]

I found a car near Chicago. 2010 Lexus RX 350 premium package $37000. Does anyone know if this is a OK deal?

I am also living in Toronto. I am wondering how people waited for RIV to send you inspection form? Can I get it right after I make RIV payment? I hope to finish import process before July 1st.

many thanks:-0

[shopper-X]

well my deal fell threw on the fx35 i was planning on buying. I gave my deposit but sold the car under me while i was waiting for my inspection..

does anyone know of any brokers that would ship the vehicle to saskatchewan, or is out of saskatchewan?

You can contact A&A Brokers (http://www.aacb.com/imex/canada.asp) as well as Canuck Towing (http://www.canucktowing.com/) in BC if the vehicle is coming from the West coast. I used both of them back in 2007 to have my vehicle shipped to SK from OR. The cost was reasonable ($1500 total for both) but if I were to do it again I would have the vehicle shipped to Minot or Portal ND and drive it across. Shipping is cheaper and no broker.

There are a few eBay sellers that include free shipping if shipped within the main 48 states.
Example: 2005 FX35 (http://cgi.ebay.ca/Infiniti-FX_W0QQitemZ110543715539QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars _Trucks?hash=item19bceb3cd3)

[wackojacko]

Is anyone aware of a Subaru dealership within reasonable driving distance of Ottawa (~8 hours) that still actively deals with Canadian customers?

Van Bortel just south of Rochester NY

buildyourownsubaru . com

[Lonewolf1]

Is anyone aware of a Subaru dealership within reasonable driving distance of Ottawa (~8 hours) that still actively deals with Canadian customers?

Subaru of Keene, New Hampshire

www.subaruofkeene.com

bought a tribeca there two years ago and they were great. See Mark Carey...

[Monsieurmaggot]

Subaru of Keene, New Hampshire

www.subaruofkeene.com

bought a tribeca there two years ago and they were great. See Mark Carey...


I've heard that Manchester Subaru in NH makes the trip worthwhile (though I've never purchased from them). Lots more as you get closer to Buffalo.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Has anyone else received a letter from the ministry of revenue after purchasing a US vehicle through private sale? I received my canadian certification from the riv yesterday. Today I received a letter from ministry of revenue asking for confirmation of purchase price, casual short form entry (not sure what this is), customs and excise declaration form, and duty and excise taxes.
If anyone knows what the excise tax and salual short form entry I'd appreciate some information.

It's no big deal. About 20% of all importers from Ontario get the notice.

I did. Simply photocopy the bill of sale and the GST and PST forms and you're all set. Since it happened to me early on, I called their office to ensure I was good. That's when I was given those details.

Apparently they can't audit any more since they are only in the office between 11 and 2. They also take Monday and Friday's off. Naturally I'm just kidding. They're all prepping for the HST.

[riffr aff]

i bit the bullet and purchased my USD. Once it hit $0.965 I figured the time was right - and to avoid some news story about another Eurpean country in trouble, and again watch the loonie tumble to the $0.92 range. We ended up taking a $1050 hit on our purchase.

So when it's all said and done, aside from getting lunch on the way to VanBortel, the car rental (my wife can't get weekday time off or else we'd drive our current car down, and fuel costs) we will end up buying:

2011 Subaru Outback Limited - Green - 2.5i - automatic w/ rear bumper cover, splash guards, rear cargo net and all weather mats. Total cost in CDN: $32,097

It should hopefully arrive before the end of the month.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Excellent!

Congratulations on the savings and welcome to RFD's SUPER SAVER CLUB

[rgc97]

I found a car near Chicago. 2010 Lexus RX 350 premium package $37000. Does anyone know if this is a OK deal?

I am also living in Toronto. I am wondering how people waited for RIV to send you inspection form? Can I get it right after I make RIV payment? I hope to finish import process before July 1st.

many thanks:-0

You need to submit your Recall Clearance letter, showing no recalls on the vehicle. But when I imported my new WRX this past March, I did my RIV work on-line Thursday afternoon, faxed the recall clearance letter Friday (about 1pm), then checked my e-mail and they had already sent me the Inspection Form for CTC. Took me 24 hours from crossing the border to having Ontario plates on my car (some people do everything in a day).

Can't provide feedback on your deal. Edmunds is good for seeing what people are paying in the US.

[BUGNUT]

You need to submit your Recall Clearance letter, showing no recalls on the vehicle. But when I imported my new WRX this past March, I did my RIV work on-line Thursday afternoon, faxed the recall clearance letter Friday (about 1pm), then checked my e-mail and they had already sent me the Inspection Form for CTC. Took me 24 hours from crossing the border to having Ontario plates on my car (some people do everything in a day).

Can't provide feedback on your deal. Edmunds is good for seeing what people are paying in the US.

Can you take the vehicle to another inspection center? I hate CTC and don't trust them. Can you drive the car home or do you have to trailer it back?

[ziploc]

First time, I bought 40K US. It took about 4-5 days to get my account set up and cleared to change that amount of money. Once the trade went through, the money was taken from my account ind placed into the US card dealer's in a short time (1 day?).

2nd time I traded more and the XE people made me fill out a series of forms, they contacted by bank to ensure I was who I said I was etc. I found this very frustrating, but they dconsider it due diligence and protective for all involved. Then my bank gave me an incorrect trading code and the payment to my account failed. It took about 3 days to straighten that mess out. I think they billed be $15 for the failed transfer, but I didn't pursue it. They are far more cautious with large amounts.

Thx for reply...

me to they making me fill out all kind of forms....

it's taking forever......but i guess it's worthwhile.....

[diigii]

Yes, you can take it to another inspection center aside from CTC, as long as it's an RIV-authorized inspection center. Looking up the riv.ca website, I saw there are two RIV-authorized inspection centers in Mississauga:

- Action Trailer Sales Inc.
- Britannia Trailer

Just look up their phone numbers using 411.ca .

You can drive the car home, as long as you have a temporary tag/plates from the state you bought the car.


Can you take the vehicle to another inspection center? I hate CTC and don't trust them. Can you drive the car home or do you have to trailer it back?

[xiaoxiong0607]

You need to submit your Recall Clearance letter, showing no recalls on the vehicle. But when I imported my new WRX this past March, I did my RIV work on-line Thursday afternoon, faxed the recall clearance letter Friday (about 1pm), then checked my e-mail and they had already sent me the Inspection Form for CTC. Took me 24 hours from crossing the border to having Ontario plates on my car (some people do everything in a day).

Can't provide feedback on your deal. Edmunds is good for seeing what people are paying in the US.

Thanks! Do you suggest to pay RIV online or in RIV office instead of to at border? Paying RIV fee at border will cause more delay, right? many thanks

[buriboi]

Let me begin by saying I'm so impressed with the diligence of some RFD'ers in obtaining accurate and up-to-date information regarding car imports. I'd love to know how many hundreds of thousands (or millions??) of dollars have been saved by canadians thanks in large part to this thread! Not enough ppl thank the creator of this thread and all the regular contributors, so I'll do it on their behalf!

Anyhow, that said, let me continue by saying I'm 100% overwhelmed by how much information is contained in this thread! As such, I'd love some insight on the following:

In a few months, I will be purchasing a used vehicle. I'd like to pay somewhere in the $15,000-$20000 range, and think it's best to buy a car that's 2-4 years old. (though perhaps even this conventional wisdom is incorrect?)

I don't really have any "brand loyalty" and simply want the best bang for my buck. To me, the only thing that really matters is getting the best deal with my hard-earned rupples (typical RFD'er, I suppose).

What makes/models do some of you learned and erudite folks think might suit my needs, *ALL* import issues considered. I hear a lot of talk about subarus in the thread...maybe that's my best bet?

P.S. I live a few hours north of toronto, if that plays a role in determining what/where to buy!

Thanks in advance for any insight!!!

[riffr aff]

subaru is brought up a lot, IMO, due to the fact they are a very good manufacturer which have cars made in the US (so no duty) that cost about 25% more to purchase in Canada. The dealers are pretty cool and easy to deal with (especially in Buffalo where you can see the invoice price on their site and pay the invoice price - no hassles).

[jindogae]

First determine what your needs are in a vehicle ie. sedan, hatch, suv, etc. Then look at what vehicles that fit your needs are made in NA. This is not necessarily just NA manufactuers. Some foreign manufactures make vehicles that are produced in NA ie. Subaru outback, tribeca, Toyota corolla, Lexus rx 350, bmw x5. This would save you the 6.1% duty when the vehicle crosses the border. Then choose a vehicle manufactuer that honours warranty if the vehicle is exported to Canada. Of course if the vehicle you choose is out of warranty then this would not be important. This would the steps I'd follow if looking for a best bang for the buck import.

[buriboi]

Really, my only "need" is that it be a car or SUV (no trucks or vans) and be within my previously-stated price range.

Other than that, again, all I want is the car that gives me the best bang for my buck once you factor in build quality, price, warranty, service history, etc, etc, etc. I know there are *plenty* of cars that might fit this bill, but I was just looking for ppl's personal ideas as to what car is the best overall deal. :)

[aZnRYcEbOi]

Hi everyone,

It's been 2 years since I imported my car from NJ.

Might be in the market for one again, so I was wondering where I can find a list of cars that are made in north america?
(got dinged on 6.1% NAFTA last time, so I would like to avoid that this time).

Thanks!

[Poordude]

Hi everyone,

It's been 2 years since I imported my car from NJ.

Might be in the market for one again, so I was wondering where I can find a list of cars that are made in north america?
(got dinged on 6.1% NAFTA last time, so I would like to avoid that this time).

Thanks!

The serial number tells you if it,s made in North America or offshore. If the 1st part of the serial number starts with a letter it was made overseas(offshore) & you pay duty.
If the serial number starts with a number it was made in North America.
This applies to plains/trains & automobles/sleds/quads...anything with a motor!!!!

[aZnRYcEbOi]

The serial number tells you if it,s made in North America or offshore. If the 1st part of the serial number starts with a letter it was made overseas(offshore) & you pay duty.
If the serial number starts with a number it was made in North America.
This applies to plains/trains & automobles/sleds/quads...anything with a motor!!!!

Thanks for the tip!

[Monsieurmaggot]

subaru is brought up a lot, IMO, due to the fact they are a very good manufacturer which have cars made in the US (so no duty) that cost about 25% more to purchase in Canada. The dealers are pretty cool and easy to deal with (especially in Buffalo where you can see the invoice price on their site and pay the invoice price - no hassles).

What made me smile was reading on the Black Book website that the Subaru ranked #2 (slightly behind Infiniti) for retaining it's resale value.

I paid $29,000 US for my fully-loaded Subaru. Three years later my car has no kilometers (LOL) and it's still worth about $25,000 if I sold it privately. I noticed some dealers are selling 2007s for even more!

That's a considerable difference from my previous US domestic brands.

[buriboi]

What made me smile was reading on the Black Book website that the Subaru ranked #2 (slightly behind Infiniti) for retaining it's resale value.

I paid $29,000 US for my fully-loaded Subaru. Three years later my car has no kilometers (LOL) and it's still worth about $25,000 if I sold it privately. I noticed some dealers are selling 2007s for even more!

That's a considerable difference from my previous US domestic brands.


I had been considering buying a used Subaru Legacy or Impreza...but if it retains its value *that* well, the question arises as to whether it makes more sense to just buy a new one....conventional wisdom says buying 2-3 years used is your best value, but I don't know what to do!

Opinions?

[rgc97]

Thanks! Do you suggest to pay RIV online or in RIV office instead of to at border? Paying RIV fee at border will cause more delay, right? many thanks

Queenston doesn't take RIV fee at border anymore (and I don't think other crossings do, either). RIV has a great website. You pay by credit card, and enter info from form you get at Cdn border.

Since I don't live in Toronto, e-mail/website was great for me. If you live by the RIV office you might be able to do everything in one day. But importing & licensing in 2 days is pretty easy via e-mail and RIV website.

[rgc97]

I had been considering buying a used Subaru Legacy or Impreza...but if it retains its value *that* well, the question arises as to whether it makes more sense to just buy a new one....conventional wisdom says buying 2-3 years used is your best value, but I don't know what to do!

Opinions?

I used to buy 2-3 yr old cars. Now I buy new in the US. You get a full warranty, and can add an extended warranty (cheaper/better than in Canada). Still plan to keep my cars 5-6 years, to amortize the PST/GST. Definitely more work to buy used in the US rather than new. However, savings can be even better. It comes down to 'value for your $$'; either way is often better than buying new in Canada (but we've seen some interesting prices & interest rates during the past year).

[webdoctors]

wow, there's a special on the nissan altima right now, according to amexnetwork.zag.com, its only $18,400 for the 2.5 S sedan version with CVT, thats $27K+tax in Ontario! dang....

[Monsieurmaggot]

wow, there's a special on the nissan altima right now, according to amexnetwork.zag.com, its only $18,400 for the 2.5 S sedan version with CVT, thats $27K+tax in Ontario! dang....

That's crazy.

Is anyone at Nissan Canada reading this?

Hello? Hello are you listening Nissan Canada? Hello?

[petaling108]

Are Nissan USA dealers allowed to sell car to Canadians?
for NYC I got a price of $17815 only! after incentives and rebates/

$18,815
Options $0 $0 $0
Incentives $0 $0 ($1,000)
TOTAL $21,216 $22,580 $17,815

[diigii]

That's crazy.

Is anyone at Nissan Canada reading this?

Hello? Hello are you listening Nissan Canada? Hello?


Are Nissan USA dealers allowed to sell car to Canadians?
for NYC I got a price of $17815 only! after incentives and rebates/

$18,815
Options $0 $0 $0
Incentives $0 $0 ($1,000)
TOTAL $21,216 $22,580 $17,815


Why do you guys think I bought in the US in Aug 2007? Now, my car will turn 3 yrs with no worries about having warranty work done here in Canada, although my warranty is valid in the US.

Yes, US dealers are allowed to sell to Canadians, at least where I bought mine. I asked them if they have any such standing order not to sell to Canadians and the salesperson bristled at me and said, "We can sell to anybody who wants to buy our cars. Actually, we welcome Canadian buyers. A lot of Canadians buy from our dealership." I was surprised to hear that.

Good luck on your 2.5 S! Just make sure the car is made in Smyrna, TN.

[bgailitis]

How does one get the temp title in Illinois?
Any thing I should look for on the title document?

Whats the latest experiance at the ambassador bridge? Do you really need the 72 hours or could you just send it over and pick it up almost immeidately?

I am hoping this deal works out and appreciate the knowledge base on this site.

Thanks

[HP_John]

Are Nissan USA dealers allowed to sell car to Canadians?

Nissan has some stupid rule: New U.S. market Nissan cars must first be registered in the U.S. for the warranty to apply. If the car is sold within six months of the original purchase, the warranty becomes void. Funny thing is, they don't place the same restriction on Infiniti, which is their luxury brand.

[buriboi]

I'm surprised more RFD'ers haven't taken me up on my question in this forum from a few days ago. I'll try to reformat it:

What car or SUV under $30,000 do you personally consider gives you the best "bang for your buck "on the import market?

[johnsa]

Why do you guys think I bought in the US in Aug 2007? Now, my car will turn 3 yrs with no worries about having warranty work done here in Canada, although my warranty is valid in the US.

Yes, US dealers are allowed to sell to Canadians, at least where I bought mine. I asked them if they have any such standing order not to sell to Canadians and the salesperson bristled at me and said, "We can sell to anybody who wants to buy our cars. Actually, we welcome Canadian buyers. A lot of Canadians buy from our dealership." I was surprised to hear that.

Good luck on your 2.5 S! Just make sure the car is made in Smyrna, TN.

AMEN to that..I have had my Maxima 3 years next month..people ask me if the warranty is valid..I say "technically, no as it was new but my local service manager thinks it will be fine"...well I have never had to make a warranty claim in 3 years ...maybe I will never know....:D

knock on wood...

Eastern US dealers will not sell new in most cases..a few will but no rebates or incentives of course...I have enquired on a few new 370Zs and I would have to buy used( which in the US sell for the same price as a new 2009!!)

[shopper-X]

Nissan has some stupid rule: New U.S. market Nissan cars must first be registered in the U.S. for the warranty to apply. If the car is sold within six months of the original purchase, the warranty becomes void. Funny thing is, they don't place the same restriction on Infiniti, which is their luxury brand.

It's not just Nissan and Infiniti but look at VW (2008 and older) and Audi (all good) and the warranty structure.

[tcharged]

I'm surprised more RFD'ers haven't taken me up on my question in this forum from a few days ago. I'll try to reformat it:

What car or SUV under $30,000 do you personally consider gives you the best "bang for your buck "on the import market?

Car? Definitely an E60 (2004+) BMW 5 series, best bang for buck. Or a BMW 335i. The Subaru WRX STI or Legacy GT are both great as well, same as the Mitsubishi EVO IX - X. I also really like the Audi S4 as well and BMW M3.

SUV? I'd say the BMW X5, but the Lexus RX350 is pretty good (if you like the styling). If you want a big suv, the Infiniti QX56 and Audi Q7 are both good buys around that price range.

[Monsieurmaggot]

But realistically, most people will have a tough time importing a new BMW or Audi. Those (expletive removed) put up all kinds of roadblocks to hinder cross-border trade.

Infiniti and Subaru keep their resale value best and as a Subaru owner I can tell you there's no blockades in place to repell or hinder a cross-border purchase.

A friend of mine picked up a loaded Infiniti EX35 for about $32k last year which included EVERY option (the technology package is amazing).

In his case, he went as far as Manhattan and saved a couple of grand more than the Buffalo-area dealers.

Registration was a snap. Nothing was required on the Infiniti.

A model year later, he can still sell it for MORE up here than he paid for it.

[buriboi]

Monsieur makes a good point about the roadblocks. Having had *no* experience whatsoever in importing a car, I want my first purchase to be as simple as possible and with the least amount of risk.

As such, I'm starting to lean toward a Subaru Legacy, perhaps from Van Bortel Subaru, which is just across the border in Buffalo, NY.

Any thoughts on the model and dealer from anybody would be greatly appreciated!!!

[tcharged]

A year ago, I would have agreed with you. But importing a BMW from the US is simple now, get a recall letter from the dealer, and import it to Canada, pay GST/PST and duty. Very simple. Infiniti does not keep its resale very well at all, I deal with them all the time. They are cheaper than BMW and they drop fast in price, especially dependent on kilometers. Subaru keeps it resell amazing, they are great cars.
Lexus is easy to import as well.


But realistically, most people will have a tough time importing a new BMW or Audi. Those (expletive removed) put up all kinds of roadblocks to hinder cross-border trade.

Infiniti and Subaru keep their resale value best and as a Subaru owner I can tell you there's no blockades in place to repell or hinder a cross-border purchase.

A friend of mine picked up a loaded Infiniti EX35 for about $32k last year which included EVERY option (the technology package is amazing).

In his case, he went as far as Manhattan and saved a couple of grand more than the Buffalo-area dealers.

Registration was a snap. Nothing was required on the Infiniti.

A model year later, he can still sell it for MORE up here than he paid for it.


Monsieur makes a good point about the roadblocks. Having had *no* experience whatsoever in importing a car, I want my first purchase to be as simple as possible and with the least amount of risk.

As such, I'm starting to lean toward a Subaru Legacy, perhaps from Van Bortel Subaru, which is just across the border in Buffalo, NY.

Any thoughts on the model and dealer from anybody would be greatly appreciated!!!

It's incredibly easy to import a German car from the US, except for Mercedes. They make it almost impossible. But BMW and Lexus/Audi are fine, and it's straightforward. Well BMW is legit in the US, just import the car, get the recall letter and DRL's done in the US, fax the papers 72 hours ahead to the Canadian border, pay the duty, RIV, and taxes, and have the car OOP inspected within 30 days in Canada.
Pretty straightforward.
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371200
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5260796&postcount=6

[buriboi]

[QUOTE=tcharged;11000603]A year ago, I would have agreed with you. But importing a BMW from the US is simple now, get a recall letter from the dealer, and import it to Canada, pay GST/PST and duty. Very simple. Infiniti does not keep its resale very well at all, I deal with them all the time. They are cheaper than BMW and they drop fast in price, especially dependent on kilometers. Subaru keeps it resell amazing, they are great cars.
Lexus is easy to import as well.


Well, if that's the case, I'd still probably prefer a subaru, if for no other reason than the fact that there is no duty, and repair work is cheaper....I've heard both positive and negative feedback for a *LOT* of makes reading through this thread, but it seems almost everybody has nothing but good things to say about importing a subaru.

My *only* concern is regarding the warranty on an imported subaru. I understand, as it stands now, the warranty is honoured by Subaru USA, but that it is almost like a "gentleman's agreement" in which Subaru USA could, in theory, decide to stop honouring at any time.

Anybody have different info regarding the warranty on imported subarus?

Thanks!

[mrsaverto]

Can i bring a vehicle in over the weekend?, I'm importing from NY to ON crossing at lewiston bridge. Is there a temporary insurance i can purchase in the US ?

[rgc97]

Can i bring a vehicle in over the weekend?, I'm importing from NY to ON crossing at lewiston bridge. Is there a temporary insurance i can purchase in the US ?

Sorry, but US Customs Export office is only open weekdays 'til 4pm (and your paperwork must be there 72 hours ahead).

Get a binder from your insurance company. Pretty simple process.

[Regin8r]

I'm surprised more RFD'ers haven't taken me up on my question in this forum from a few days ago. I'll try to reformat it:

What car or SUV under $30,000 do you personally consider gives you the best "bang for your buck "on the import market?


Just an FYI for SUV's, you should check that the in-service date is prior to March 19, 2007 or you will be sacked with an additional gas tax (green levy). A Q7 4.2 is rated at 14 MPG and will have a green levy of $2k. They are going for low $30k's right now in the US for ones that still have some warranty left. Taxes and duties will add about $6k ish on top and that's without the green levy.

[Deemo]

Imported an M3 back in '06 with help from this thread.:D

I should be heading down in a week or two for a Subaru Outback.

I'll let you know how it works out.

[bgailitis]

It seems a private deal often has the title locked up by the lien holder in Illinois. Yet the seller needs the funds to pay off the lien but you don't get the title right away. Has anyone got burned in this situation? What is the best way to protect the buyer in this situation.Shoud the buyer insist that the lien get cleared first before giving the seller any money?

I want to import it into Ontario.

[Albertan]

Anyone know what time the Sweet Grass, MT / Coutts AB border is open for import/exports?

[Monsieurmaggot]

A year ago, I would have agreed with you. But importing a BMW from the US is simple now, get a recall letter from the dealer, and import it to Canada, pay GST/PST and duty. Very simple. Infiniti does not keep its resale very well at all, I deal with them all the time. They are cheaper than BMW and they drop fast in price, especially dependent on kilometers. Subaru keeps it resell amazing, they are great cars.
Lexus is easy to import as well.





Alas, importing a BMW or any car for that matter has always been easy to do. My comment was more to do that there's no escaping the fact that BMW and Audi want 1000s to replace the dashboard - unless someone knows that this practice has stopped.

A new Lexus is VERY DIFFICULT to buy in the US. My brother's been looking for a few years.

And according to published reports, Infinitis are ranked #1 for resale value far above BMW or any other German brand.

Subaru ranked #2.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-drive/best-buy-the-car-that-depreciates-the-least/article1566274/

[michelb]

...
It's incredibly easy to import a German car from the US, except for Mercedes. They make it almost impossible. But BMW and Lexus/Audi are fine, and it's straightforward. Well BMW is legit in the US, just import the car, get the recall letter and DRL's done in the US, fax the papers 72 hours ahead to the Canadian border, pay the duty, RIV, and taxes, and have the car OOP inspected within 30 days in Canada.
Pretty straightforward.
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371200
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5260796&postcount=6

I believe that in BMW's case, this is only correct if the car is our of warranty (or if you don't care to keep the warranty). Unless I received incorrect information, BMW Canada will only honour the warranty of an imported car if you have them do the changes and inspection on it.

[Tharnax]

Hey bgailitis,

One of the vehicles I imported did require that I make payment upfront to the private seller in order for the owner to clear the title. Fortunately, I had no issues with the transaction and everything went very smoothly, however, this option is one of the riskiest as it would be much more difficult to pursue the US owner from Canada if something goes wrong. I guess the amount of $ you have to put out as well as your "gut feeling" about the seller will be major determine factors as to whether to go through with the private sale.

I say in the majority of cases, you are not likely to run into an issue, but I'm sure that it has unfortunately happened to someone.

Good luck! Hope all goes well if you decide to go head with the transaction.

[jindogae]

I believe I've read that you can pay the creditor directly in these cases. This would be much more comforting for me to do.

Audi's do not need dash replacement. They are fairly easy to import. Recall letters are free but need a few days to get from AofA. The other option is to get a letter from the dealership on their company letter head stating the vin is free of any outstanding recalls. In fact I wasn't even asked for any sort of recall letter from RIV.

[jindogae]

Well, if that's the case, I'd still probably prefer a subaru, if for no other reason than the fact that there is no duty, and repair work is cheaper....I've heard both positive and negative feedback for a *LOT* of makes reading through this thread, but it seems almost everybody has nothing but good things to say about importing a subaru.

My *only* concern is regarding the warranty on an imported subaru. I understand, as it stands now, the warranty is honoured by Subaru USA, but that it is almost like a "gentleman's agreement" in which Subaru USA could, in theory, decide to stop honouring at any time.

Anybody have different info regarding the warranty on imported subarus?

Thanks!

Not all subies are duty free. Only the ones built in NA so make sure you check where the car was built.

[smacd]

Anyone know what time the Sweet Grass, MT / Coutts AB border is open for import/exports?

24/7 according to this: http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contacts/ports/mt/3310.xml

Here's a great link to bookmark for border info: http://www.ucanimport.com/Border_Crossing_Info.aspx

[tcharged]

Alas, importing a BMW or any car for that matter has always been easy to do. My comment was more to do that there's no escaping the fact that BMW and Audi want 1000s to replace the dashboard - unless someone knows that this practice has stopped.

A new Lexus is VERY DIFFICULT to buy in the US. My brother's been looking for a few years.

And according to published reports, Infinitis are ranked #1 for resale value far above BMW or any other German brand.

Subaru ranked #2.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-drive/best-buy-the-car-that-depreciates-the-least/article1566274/

I don't care what Infiniti's are ranked for resale, they are brutal on trade-in's. Almost Audi bad for resale. And the practice to replace the dashboard/cluster is no longer legal, thus it is not costly to buy them. Cluster change is nonexistent now, all you need is a recall letter from the dealer in the US. Why buy a new Lexus? Buy a demo or buy a slightly pre-owned one, both are better buys than new anyways.

[Matty]

the practice to replace the dashboard/cluster is no longer legal,

Is this really the case? That it's now against federal or provincial law for a Canadian manufacturer to force you to change a dash/cluster on a US-bought car?

I thought BMW Canada forced you to if you wanted to keep a valid warranty?

[tcharged]

Is this really the case? That it's now against federal or provincial law for a Canadian manufacturer to force you to change a dash/cluster on a US-bought car?

I thought BMW Canada forced you to if you wanted to keep a valid warranty?

Nope, it's no longer required. Not sure about warranty but it's no longer mandatory to get it cluster changed to be registered in Canada

[Monsieurmaggot]

...and you know this why?

I get emails from people telling me the BMW practice was alive and well as late as last March.

Last we heard, BMW will not honour the warranty unless the DRLs and dashboard are changed to their specs.

Personally for the money you can potentially save, I wouldn't get too hung up on warranties. In many cases it's used as a marketing feature.

Realistically, unless you really want one, who cares that GM offers a 160,000 warranty or that Huyndai offers a 5-year bumper to bumper warranty.

[petaling108]

http://www.unityauto.com/pricing.php


Ontario Vehicle Licensing and Registration Requirements
Drive Clean Emission Test $35
Mechanical Safety $50
Structural Certification (for Salvage Vehicles) $200
BMW Recall Clearence Letter $400*


will they be out of business?if letter from US dealer is so easy to obtain?

[tcharged]

...and you know this why?

I get emails from people telling me the BMW practice was alive and well as late as last March.

Last we heard, BMW will not honour the warranty unless the DRLs and dashboard are changed to their specs.

Personally for the money you can potentially save, I wouldn't get too hung up on warranties. In many cases it's used as a marketing feature.

Realistically, unless you really want one, who cares that GM offers a 160,000 warranty or that Huyndai offers a 5-year bumper to bumper warranty.

I know this because I work in the car industry? I work with my inventory manager who buys Acura's, BMW's and Audi/VW's from the US and I see that when you import these German cars (except Mercedes), all you need is a recall clearance letter from a dealer in the US, then import it. BMW has great savings vs paying locally, and it's not a hassle like everyone thinks. Cluster change is nonexistent! Unity Auto in Toronto will get you a BMW letter saying your car is recall free so you can import it, if you can't get one from a dealer in the US - there's ways to get a letter if you import a BMW from the US.
And I absolutely agree with you on warranties, they are in itself, essentially a ploy.

[Casanova.]

Okay I need some help.

My dad wants to buy a brand new 2010 ford escape (2WD, 2.5L, 6 cylinder). They gave us a price of $25000. Would it be worth it to look at purchasing it in the US?

Also I really don't like the Escape. I think its ugly. I prefer the Toyota Rav4. When it comes down to cost... what is the cheapest?

[tcharged]

Okay I need some help.

My dad wants to buy a brand new 2010 ford escape (2WD, 2.5L, 6 cylinder). They gave us a price of $25000. Would it be worth it to look at purchasing it in the US?

Also I really don't like the Escape. I think its ugly. I prefer the Toyota Rav4. When it comes down to cost... what is the cheapest?

What about the Honda CR-V? Best resale in its class. For your price range/class you wouldn't save a whole lot by buying in the US.

[Tainger]

Hm my dad wants a Honda Element

how much do you think i would be able to get it in the states + taxes ?

thanks

[smacd]

Hm my dad wants a Honda Element

how much do you think i would be able to get it in the states + taxes ?

thanks

Never heard of www.autotrader.com or www.edmunds.com ? Both are great resources for researching prices.

Also, be aware, no warranty with imported Hondas.

As for the Escape a couple of posts above, weren't they going for <$20,000 OTR last month?

[gphammer]

Hello, any one know of a reputable auto broker in BC? Looking at importing a new Honda Pilot from the US:-0

[jindogae]

I for one am happy that my Audi was still under warrant when I imported it. Within 3 weeks of having the car I've had to replace a fuel injector and ecm. Would have cost over 2g out of pocket without warranty.


I know this because I work in the car industry? I work with my inventory manager who buys Acura's, BMW's and Audi/VW's from the US and I see that when you import these German cars (except Mercedes), all you need is a recall clearance letter from a dealer in the US, then import it. BMW has great savings vs paying locally, and it's not a hassle like everyone thinks. Cluster change is nonexistent! Unity Auto in Toronto will get you a BMW letter saying your car is recall free so you can import it, if you can't get one from a dealer in the US - there's ways to get a letter if you import a BMW from the US.
And I absolutely agree with you on warranties, they are in itself, essentially a ploy.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I know this because I work in the car industry? I work with my inventory manager who buys Acura's, BMW's and Audi/VW's from the US and I see that when you import these German cars (except Mercedes), all you need is a recall clearance letter from a dealer in the US, then import it. BMW has great savings vs paying locally, and it's not a hassle like everyone thinks. Cluster change is nonexistent! Unity Auto in Toronto will get you a BMW letter saying your car is recall free so you can import it, if you can't get one from a dealer in the US - there's ways to get a letter if you import a BMW from the US.
And I absolutely agree with you on warranties, they are in itself, essentially a ploy.

So you are importing NEW BMW's and saying that a dashboard isn't required AND BMW will honour the warranty? That would be good new indeed. I know a lot of RFDers want to get their hands on BMWs but shyed away with the roadblocks put in their way.

[rdx]

I for one am happy that my Audi was still under warrant when I imported it. Within 3 weeks of having the car I've had to replace a fuel injector and ecm. Would have cost over 2g out of pocket without warranty.

Sorry to be a bit off topic. I just don't understand why people are still interested in buying Audi or other so called luxury european cars. This is not the first time I heard they need lot of major repairs within the first year (in your case is within the first month). My friend had problems with her A4 in first 3 months, AC was dead and wipers was not working (stuck in the middle of windshield), my other friends' BMW 528 had several problems with the electrical system in the first year as well.

I personally don't mind paying premium to get a premium quality car (not just the name), but definitely not paying premium to visit mechanic more frequently.........

[rjmbc]

Hello, any one know of a reputable auto broker in BC? Looking at importing a new Honda Pilot from the US:-0

I have PM'd you some contact information.

[buriboi]

Does anybody have any ballpark idea as to how much under MSRP I should be paying for a 2010 Subaru Legacy 2.5i (MSRP is 22,015 with auto tranny) to import to Ontario?

[chaching]

I've just found this thread - great info sharing in here! I've read back a few pages but haven't seen anything about how to pay for a vehicle bought in the States. Can Canadians apply for financing down there? Or do you have to pay cash/money order/VISA?

[copter]

Cash or wire transfer is what is required at most dealerships.

[Anonymouse]

I remember around 2000 when some friends imported US motorcycles that they simply put stickers on the speedometer face to indicate the metric measurements. This was sufficient to get the bikes through RIV. Does anyone know if the same stickers would work today on, say, a Mini Cooper?

[FatWallet]

Nice information... but 1200+ pages? Wow.

Since I'm moving back to Canada, I'll likely be doing some version of this deal in the near future. I'm also allowed $10K tax- and duty-free as a returning resident away from the country for over 5 years.

[Deemo]

24/7 according to this: http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contacts/ports/mt/3310.xml

Here's a great link to bookmark for border info: http://www.ucanimport.com/Border_Crossing_Info.aspx

I would be surprised if that was the case. Better phone to confirm.
The Blaine Vehicle Export Team is only available from about 7am-3PM and closed weekends and holidays.

[james-007]

I would be surprised if that was the case. Better phone to confirm.
The Blaine Vehicle Export Team is only available from about 7am-3PM and closed weekends and holidays.

The website is only saying that the border services is open 24x7. Just because they are open doesn't mean you can bring the vehicle across. Sumas and Aldergrove is 7am to 3pm only. Canadian side doesn't care when you bring the vehicle above time is only or the State side.

[tkl]

I imported a vehicle back in Nov 2007 and was looking to check a couple of things on carburner but it's gone ? Is there a new gathering place ?

[shopper-X]

***Duplicate Post***

[shopper-X]

I imported a vehicle back in Nov 2007 and was looking to check a couple of things on carburner but it's gone ? Is there a new gathering place ?

It was a site a sales reps from a US Subaru dealership created. After Subaru USA announced that export sales would not count towards kickbacks, awards, etc. he stopped funding it.

Monsieurmaggot has this in his signature: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://carburner.com and it brings up most of the information.

[Monsieurmaggot]

It's true.

The website is gone but the information lives forever at www.archive.org. The full address is on my signature file.

When I'm motivated I will transfer all that information to my new blog at www.monsieurmaggot.wordpress.com.

I didn't realize just how much information I put up on carburner.com.

Most of it is still pretty valid.

[rjmbc]

The website is only saying that the border services is open 24x7. Just because they are open doesn't mean you can bring the vehicle across. Sumas and Aldergrove is 7am to 3pm only. Canadian side doesn't care when you bring the vehicle above time is only or the State side.

Some US export border crossings are open 24/7 - Osoyoos/Oroville is a prime example. Kingsgate/Eastport is as well (I believe)

I have brought a number of vehicle through Oroville on weekends and after 5PM with no problem. I suspect other crossings are the same, except where there is a major city close by - ie Vancouver.

[chaching]

Cash or wire transfer is what is required at most dealerships.

Thank you.

[michelb]

Nice information... but 1200+ pages? Wow.

Since I'm moving back to Canada, I'll likely be doing some version of this deal in the near future. I'm also allowed $10K tax- and duty-free as a returning resident away from the country for over 5 years.

You should double check but I'm pretty sure that to get the $10k exemption for returning resident no a vehicle, you need to have the vehicle registered in the US for a minimum of 6 months (if you live in a state that charges tax on vehicles, the state tax will probably be more than the savings on the exemption).

[michelb]

I know this because I work in the car industry? I work with my inventory manager who buys Acura's, BMW's and Audi/VW's from the US and I see that when you import these German cars (except Mercedes), all you need is a recall clearance letter from a dealer in the US, then import it. BMW has great savings vs paying locally, and it's not a hassle like everyone thinks. Cluster change is nonexistent! Unity Auto in Toronto will get you a BMW letter saying your car is recall free so you can import it, if you can't get one from a dealer in the US - there's ways to get a letter if you import a BMW from the US.
And I absolutely agree with you on warranties, they are in itself, essentially a ploy.

You might work in the industry and know about importing but you still haven't given a straight answer on the warranty issue. If you import a new BMW from the US but don't get the recall letter from BMW Canada and don't get them to perform the modifications, will you still have the warranty? I do not believe you get it.

You might think warranties are just a ploy but personally, I would not buy most brands of car without one (the only I might consider would be Toyota / Honda / Nissan).

FWIW, here's my experience with new car and / or extended warranties: used VW Cabrio, probably $2-3k claimed on extended warranty, new Chrysler Sebring, about $4k on new car / extended warranty, used Volvo V70, at least $6k on new car / extended warranty, used Sienna, couple hundred on extended warranty ...

[chaching]

I'm in BC and am looking to buy a slightly used Toyota Highlander from Oregon, cheap. Not overly fussy about the specs, other than I want it to be either 4-cyl or hybrid. I don't want to pay more a dime over $25.

I'm wondering if I should use a broker. I'm a n00b and busy, although this process seems fairly straightforward if you follow the steps properly.

How much should I expect to pay an auto broker? Is it a flat fee or a percentage? Do I negotiate a price with them for their service? Is it worth it to use their negotiating skills to get us a good deal?

Also, I heard a rumour that cars imported to BC will be exempt from HST, does anyone know if that's true? So if I buy in Oregon and bring to BC, I'd pay no tax at all? Too good to be true...

[tcharged]

You might work in the industry and know about importing but you still haven't given a straight answer on the warranty issue. If you import a new BMW from the US but don't get the recall letter from BMW Canada and don't get them to perform the modifications, will you still have the warranty? I do not believe you get it.

You might think warranties are just a ploy but personally, I would not buy most brands of car without one (the only I might consider would be Toyota / Honda / Nissan).

FWIW, here's my experience with new car and / or extended warranties: used VW Cabrio, probably $2-3k claimed on extended warranty, new Chrysler Sebring, about $4k on new car / extended warranty, used Volvo V70, at least $6k on new car / extended warranty, used Sienna, couple hundred on extended warranty ...

If you have a BMW recall letter and it's imported properly from the US and safe on Canadian roads, it will be on warranty in Canada. Depends which BMW dealer will take it though, some may not. Either way, I'm close to Buffalo, where I can take it to a BMW dealer in Buffalo for service if a bunch of GTA BMW dealers refuse to work on my car under warranty without cluster change. BMW Canada and Mercedes-Benz Canada are huge ripoff artists who overcharge and make life miserable for those trying to get significant savings in the US on automotive purchases vs Canada.

[rjmbc]

I'm in BC and am looking to buy a slightly used Toyota Highlander from Oregon, cheap. Not overly fussy about the specs, other than I want it to be either 4-cyl or hybrid. I don't want to pay more a dime over $25.

I'm wondering if I should use a broker. I'm a n00b and busy, although this process seems fairly straightforward if you follow the steps properly.

How much should I expect to pay an auto broker? Is it a flat fee or a percentage? Do I negotiate a price with them for their service? Is it worth it to use their negotiating skills to get us a good deal?

Also, I heard a rumour that cars imported to BC will be exempt from HST, does anyone know if that's true? So if I buy in Oregon and bring to BC, I'd pay no tax at all? Too good to be true...

If you go on Cars.com & search you will find a few Highlander that meet your requirements.

If you are buying used and after July 1, you can probably buy in WA without paying sales tax.

In either case, you will likely pay GST & PST or HST when you import.

If you want more information PM me.

[james-007]

I'm in BC and am looking to buy a slightly used Toyota Highlander from Oregon, cheap. Not overly fussy about the specs, other than I want it to be either 4-cyl or hybrid. I don't want to pay more a dime over $25.

I'm wondering if I should use a broker. I'm a n00b and busy, although this process seems fairly straightforward if you follow the steps properly.

How much should I expect to pay an auto broker? Is it a flat fee or a percentage? Do I negotiate a price with them for their service? Is it worth it to use their negotiating skills to get us a good deal?

Also, I heard a rumour that cars imported to BC will be exempt from HST, does anyone know if that's true? So if I buy in Oregon and bring to BC, I'd pay no tax at all? Too good to be true...

It doesn't matter if you buy the vehicle from WA or Oregon you will not have to WA state tax. Out of state are exempt.
As for HST being exempt you got to be joking. Canadian politicians do not let you get away with anything. Just bend over, no lubrication required.

[DrXenon]

I'm not suggesting that anyone do anything illegal, but what prevents someone from simply driving a newly-bought US car across the border and registering it in Ontario as though it were bought privately in Canada?

[Monsieurmaggot]

From my understanding, you still need to get the vehicle in the RIV program to transfer the VIN numbers.

You can't register the US vehicle without RIV certification since the VIN would still show as a US vehicle.

Even if you paid your taxes and bypassed the RIV program, there's no way the MTO's system would accept the VIN number.

I'd love to know if there's truth to the statement....

Does anyone actually know someone at RIV who can confirm?

Anyone try it?

[tockty]

I am sorry for my ignorance as this question might be asked 100 times, but could someone please tell me other than 13% HST, what else do I have to pay for importing a vehicle from US?
Thanks so much

[rjmbc]

I am sorry for my ignorance as this question might be asked 100 times, but could someone please tell me other than 13% HST, what else do I have to pay for importing a vehicle from US?
Thanks so much

You also have to pay $100.00 A/C tax, if you have A/C The RIV fee of $195.00 plus HST or GST and the Gas Hog tax if the vehicle has poor gas mileage. There is a listing as to which vehicles this applies to.

[tcharged]

I am sorry for my ignorance as this question might be asked 100 times, but could someone please tell me other than 13% HST, what else do I have to pay for importing a vehicle from US?
Thanks so much

http://www.importcartocanada.info/tools/vehicle-import-price-calculator/

this will give you all the fees you pay.

[CanuckFlyHigh]

I'm not suggesting that anyone do anything illegal, but what prevents someone from simply driving a newly-bought US car across the border and registering it in Ontario as though it were bought privately in Canada?


HAHAHAHA. Please try this and let us know how it goes.

[ajpaterson]

I called Canada Border Services Agency today at 1-800-461-9999 to find out how and which taxes will be applicable to a newly imported vehicle as of July 1st, 2010, when the Ontario and BC HST go into effect. I was told they will maintain the same system of charging 5% GST plus duties and excise tax and RIV fees on import.

I then called the MTO Driver and Vehicle Licensing information number at 1-800-387-3445, to ask about the tax on plating the vehicle. Previously, the ministry charged PST only on plate issue on an imported vehicle after RIV inspection. I was told that as of July 1st, the full HST of 13% will be charged. This is because the MTO interprets the GST portion of their charge to be a new tax on the service of plating the vehicle, separate from the importation which is the CBSA's domain. When I tried to explain that this is effectively double taxation on the same vehicle, they said this was their official policy on the issue, and referred me to complain to the Financial Services Commission of Ontario at 416-250-7250. It was after 5pm by this time, so there was no answer at FiSCO.

This is a huge tax grab and it is clearly designed to discourage private importation! It will increase the costs on a $40k vehicle by another $2000!

[Anonymouse]

You can't register the US vehicle without RIV certification since the VIN would still show as a US vehicle.

In general, there's nothing in VINs that specifies the destination country.


Even if you paid your taxes and bypassed the RIV program, there's no way the MTO's system would accept the VIN number.

I think you're giving too much credit to the government. I'd be surprised if the manufacturers are giving them a list of VINS for Canada versus the US.

I think that pulling this off would require forging a Canadian bill of sale from another province. Uttering forged documents really isn't something you want to get into for the sake of saving 6.1% and foregoing an inspection that's very easy to pass.

[ajpaterson]

I found the document you're referring to. http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/tg/rc4100/README.html It does seem clear that the intention is that the tax system remain the same.

I left out that I visited a Service Ontario office earlier in the day to get a new plate sticker for my existing car and inquired about the process after July 1st. I spoke to both a clerk and the office manager, who both told me that full HST will be charged because their computers have been set up that way, and suggested I call the MTO information line to clarify and they concurred. So it was three government stooges and their computer system all with the same line, not one.

I suspect that you are probably correct and it will work itself out eventually, but in the meantime they have no idea what they're doing and fall back on the HST on everything. Hopefully some calls to the MTO will get this worked out before those of us unlucky to have to complete their importation in the first few days of July get a nasty surprise when they go for their plates.

[scamit]

Oh man, im looking to import a vehicle soon and this double tax would be a killer to the deal. Anyone able to confirm this is the case?



I called Canada Border Services Agency today at 1-800-461-9999 to find out how and which taxes will be applicable to a newly imported vehicle as of July 1st, 2010, when the Ontario and BC HST go into effect. I was told they will maintain the same system of charging 5% GST plus duties and excise tax and RIV fees on import.

I then called the MTO Driver and Vehicle Licensing information number at 1-800-387-3445, to ask about the tax on plating the vehicle. Previously, the ministry charged PST only on plate issue on an imported vehicle after RIV inspection. I was told that as of July 1st, the full HST of 13% will be charged. This is because the MTO interprets the GST portion of their charge to be a new tax on the service of plating the vehicle, separate from the importation which is the CBSA's domain. When I tried to explain that this is effectively double taxation on the same vehicle, they said this was their official policy on the issue, and referred me to complain to the Financial Services Commission of Ontario at 416-250-7250. It was after 5pm by this time, so there was no answer at FiSCO.

This is a huge tax grab and it is clearly designed to discourage private importation! It will increase the costs on a $40k vehicle by another $2000!

[Anonymouse]

So it was three government stooges and their computer system all with the same line, not one.


Sorry, I deleted my post because after I did some surfing, I'm actually coming to the same conclusion that you did. If your stooges are correct, I sure hope this is a temporary situation, because if it isn't I'm starting an Ontarian Tea Party movement.

[frank664]

I am importing a Subaru Outback 2011 and i just noticed on the riv website it says:

2010 AND 2011 All models [EIS] (see notes)
and [EIS]: See explanations section, paragraphs #4 and #9

and then if i check out the paragraphs it talks about Electronic Immobilizers is there anything that needs to be done to the 2011 subaru outback or is it good to import with no changes?

Also I think i have the steps down but just to recap.

After I pickup the car from the dealership I stop at the US side of the border. (What happens here? The dealership says they have sent them all of the paperwork.)
After that I stop at the Canada border where I fill out a form. (What kind of questions does this form ask?) Pay GST on the car and pay the riv fee. (Can i just pay the riv fee online at the border? Do they have a computer I can use or can I just use my own laptop with an air card and pay for it?) Is there anything else I am missing at the Canadain border stop?

Does the riv mail me something to take to canadian tire or can i just print something off online? Do i just tell canadian tire I need to make an appointment for a riv inspection when I call them? After I get the riv inspection can I just take it to SGI (I live in Saskatchewan) and get my plates?

Thanks for any help.

[knuckle05]

Has anyone imported a 2010 or 2011 Subaru Outback from VanBortel and experienced the steering wheel shake issue?

I've been researching on subaruoutback.org and this seems to be a common complaint over there.

Just wondering if anyone has been unlucky with this and if so, how VanBortel handled it for you.

Thx.

[michelb]

In general, there's nothing in VINs that specifies the destination country.


I think you're giving too much credit to the government. I'd be surprised if the manufacturers are giving them a list of VINS for Canada versus the US.

I think that pulling this off would require forging a Canadian bill of sale from another province. Uttering forged documents really isn't something you want to get into for the sake of saving 6.1% and foregoing an inspection that's very easy to pass.

I think there's more than forging a bill of sale. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you can just show up at the MTO with a VIN and tell them you want to register the vehicle - you need the existing ownership or title - if it's a Canadian ownership, they'll let you register it in your province without anything else but if it's a US one, they'll require the RIV forms before they'll let you register it. Same thing applies if you only have the MCO (they're not the same in Canada / US).

The only thing that *might* work is if you can manage to register the vehicle as a kit car / home made car or something like that. But then you do have to go through pretty rigorous verifications so you'll probably have to pay off some people along the way.

[shopper-X]

I am importing a Subaru Outback 2011 and i just noticed on the riv website it says:

2010 AND 2011 All models [EIS] (see notes)
and [EIS]: See explanations section, paragraphs #4 and #9

and then if i check out the paragraphs it talks about Electronic Immobilizers is there anything that needs to be done to the 2011 subaru outback or is it good to import with no changes?

Also I think i have the steps down but just to recap.

After I pickup the car from the dealership I stop at the US side of the border. (What happens here? The dealership says they have sent them all of the paperwork.)
After that I stop at the Canada border where I fill out a form. (What kind of questions does this form ask?) Pay GST on the car and pay the riv fee. (Can i just pay the riv fee online at the border? Do they have a computer I can use or can I just use my own laptop with an air card and pay for it?) Is there anything else I am missing at the Canadain border stop?

Does the riv mail me something to take to canadian tire or can i just print something off online? Do i just tell canadian tire I need to make an appointment for a riv inspection when I call them? After I get the riv inspection can I just take it to SGI (I live in Saskatchewan) and get my plates?

Thanks for any help.

1. EIS - If the model you chose has the Electronic Immobilizer, you're good to go.
2. US Side - They will stamp the original tittle when you arrive.
3. CA Side - Fill out the export forms, pay the GST, air, tire, etc fees. Online pay the RIV fee and enter the number from the form you got from customs. Once you get the RIV form (Email is fastest) you can go to Canadian Tire and get the federal inspection done. Head over to an SGI office with the RIV form stamped by CT and register the vehicle and pay the PST. Make sure you pay based on purchase not value (bring your GST bill).

Wait about 24 hours and call RIV to see if they can speed up the form and email it.

[michelb]

I called Canada Border Services Agency today at 1-800-461-9999 to find out how and which taxes will be applicable to a newly imported vehicle as of July 1st, 2010, when the Ontario and BC HST go into effect. I was told they will maintain the same system of charging 5% GST plus duties and excise tax and RIV fees on import.

I then called the MTO Driver and Vehicle Licensing information number at 1-800-387-3445, to ask about the tax on plating the vehicle. Previously, the ministry charged PST only on plate issue on an imported vehicle after RIV inspection. I was told that as of July 1st, the full HST of 13% will be charged. This is because the MTO interprets the GST portion of their charge to be a new tax on the service of plating the vehicle, separate from the importation which is the CBSA's domain. When I tried to explain that this is effectively double taxation on the same vehicle, they said this was their official policy on the issue, and referred me to complain to the Financial Services Commission of Ontario at 416-250-7250. It was after 5pm by this time, so there was no answer at FiSCO.

This is a huge tax grab and it is clearly designed to discourage private importation! It will increase the costs on a $40k vehicle by another $2000!

I'm also trying to get a straight answer on this. I called my local licensing bureau and they didn't know and told me to call the HST hotline. I called HST hotline in Ontario and was told that imported vehicles will be charged 13% HST upon licensing in Ontario and then I called CBSA and they stated that they will continue collecting 5% GST at the border but assured me that the province would not be collecting the 'GST portion' of the HST (and that the HST people just didn't understand the rules yet) ...

However I think the consumers will end up getting screwed (and on the hook for 18%) because of the way the HST is worded. MTO treats imported vehicles as 'private resale of a car' (doesn't involve dealership in Ontario) and so will tax the vehicle accordingly. From the HST information page, private resales will be taxed at 13% (to level playing field with private and dealerships) but that's not actually HST, it's still GST exempt but PST at 13% - for imports it sounds like it will work out to 5% GST at the border + 13% PST on registration but since that 13% doesn't include GST, there won't be a refund due :( (http://www.rev.gov.on.ca/en/taxchange/pdf/taxable.pdf)

[JPTN]

I'm not suggesting that anyone do anything illegal, but what prevents someone from simply driving a newly-bought US car across the border and registering it in Ontario as though it were bought privately in Canada?The problem is you have to have a title for the vehicle, proving that you own it. In Ontario, it's the little green slip. You won't have this for a US vehicle since their titles are actual full-page certificates.

As for the GST/PST/HST issue, 5% is charged at the border, a receipt is issued for the amount (B3 Form) and the remainder/difference is due at the provincial ministry (8% for Ontario). You aren't double taxed.

[Monsieurmaggot]

In general, there's nothing in VINs that specifies the destination country.


I think you're giving too much credit to the government. I'd be surprised if the manufacturers are giving them a list of VINS for Canada versus the US.

I think that pulling this off would require forging a Canadian bill of sale from another province. Uttering forged documents really isn't something you want to get into for the sake of saving 6.1% and foregoing an inspection that's very easy to pass.


When I imported my car, the lady at the RIV office told me that my vehicles' VIN was not registered by Transport Canada and they would be adding it to the database.

After I imported my car through RIV, I got a letter afterwards from Subaru US stating that my VIN was transferred to the Canadian database.

I would assume that process is still in place.

Interestingly the MTO would not issue me an Ontario ownership slip until I surrendered my original US ownership certificate to them along with proof of RIV participation and GST payment.

[michelb]

...
As for the GST/PST/HST issue, 5% is charged at the border, a receipt is issued for the amount (B3 Form) and the remainder/difference is due at the provincial ministry (8% for Ontario). You aren't double taxed.

The problem is that the way it's worded, technically your aren't being double taxed. It could (would) be 5% GST on import at the border + 13% PST (not HST) on registration of a private resale vehicle in Ontario (which is what the MTO considers an import once it's passed RIV). Here's the quote from HST info:


Private Resale of Car (including Registration) (changes to 13%) ***

*** HST does not apply; however, Ontario will maintain the PST on private transfers of used vehicles at a rate of 13 per cent to help ensure a level playing field between sales by dealerships and private sales and they'll be charging both (18%) in the end.


Nobody seems to know if this is correct or not (I got 3 different answers "We don't know", "Yes, you'll pay 18%" and "No, you'll still only pay 13%" from the 3 people I've asked (MTO, HST and CBSA)) but it sounds like because the 13% on cars is the new PST rate for vehicles (and not the combined PST/GST), the fact that you also already paid 5% GST could mean nothing.

[Anonymouse]

I called the Ontario government. The nice lady punted me to Central Services, who punted me to Business Services, who punted me to someone at CRA, who punted me to a guy who specializes in rulings. The last guy told me that I'd pay 5% GST at the border, for which I would receive a receipt. This receipt would be used to reduce the PST payable on registration.

I really hope this is the case.

[scamit]

I hope this is the case as well. Im looking to purchase a 2010 Lexus RX350 and dont want to pay extra tax or else i will have to import before July 1.



I called the Ontario government. The nice lady punted me to Central Services, who punted me to Business Services, who punted me to someone at CRA, who punted me to a guy who specializes in rulings. The last guy told me that I'd pay 5% GST at the border, for which I would receive a receipt. This receipt would be used to reduce the PST payable on registration.

I really hope this is the case.

[Sloan55]

I got this from Penninsula Custom Brokers. It looks like they will charge you 5% HST at the border, then you will be issued your B3 Canada Customs Coding Form to present at the license bureau as proof of payment. At that time you will be required to pay the remaing 8% HST in order to license your vehicle

See below

http://usautoimport.ca/HST1.jpg

[tkertise]

Hi All,

So I have found a 2010 Lexus RX 350 that I am going to buy - in the process. I was wondering is there anyway to know what will be required to be changed? I know that I will likely need day time running lights, but I have also read about the odomoter (i checked and it has km on it, its just on the inside ). I was wondering if I should be expecting anything else?

Tyler

[JPTN]

So I have found a 2010 Lexus RX 350 that I am going to buy - in the process. I was wondering is there anyway to know what will be required to be changed? I know that I will likely need day time running lights, but I have also read about the odomoter (i checked and it has km on it, its just on the inside ). I was wondering if I should be expecting anything else?Not for a 2010 RX. It's already equipped with an electronic immobilizer (chipped key) and child tether restraints. Get the US dealer to activate the DRLs and you're all set.

[michelb]

I got this from Penninsula Custom Brokers. It looks like they will charge you 5% HST at the border, then you will be issued your B3 Canada Customs Coding Form to present at the license bureau as proof of payment. At that time you will be required to pay the remaing 8% HST in order to license your vehicle
...

I hope you're right but the wording is not consistent with how the tax on a private car sale is described. You state ... pay the remaining 8% of HST ... however according to Ontario HST pdf, private car sales are not subject to HST, they are only charged a PST rate of 13% (i.e. there is no 'remaining' portion, it's 2 different taxes)

[vw_michael]

Got this email this AM - just passing it along. Please don't contact me (unless you are giving me a cut of the savings) :) Call the dealership.

-----------------------------------------------

XXX,

Just announced from Subaru this morning, we have received an extra $750 per Forester sold and we are going to pass those savings directly along to you.

2010 Subaru Forester:

2.5x Manual w/ SE Package Now - $19,101

2.5x Auto w/ SE Package Now - $20,167

2.5x Manual Prem w/ AWP Now - $21,342

2.5x Auto Prem w/ AWP Now - $22,213

2.5x Auto Limited Now- $24,272

and we just got another 12 Foresters off the trucks. This offer will end 06/30/10.

For your convenience our normal hours are Monday through Thursday 9:00 AM-9:00 PM, Friday and Saturday 9:00 AM-6:00 PM, and Sunday 12:00 PM-5:00 PM. We are 1st on the North Olmsted Auto Mile just west of Great Northern Blvd on Lorain Rd or check us out on the web at http://www.superganley.com.

Rob Edwards
Internet Sales Manger
Ganley Westside Imports
PH#440-734-2000
Fax#440-686-3045

[michelb]

FYI, for anyone looking to import a GM, I've been told by RIV today that a printout of the GM Vehicle Inquiry System Summary is no longer accepted for recall clearance

They said:

We have been informed by General Motors that the GMVISS database is no longer maintained - sounds a bit bogus to me since the system is still in use by GM but what can you do (other than stop buying GM products)

They did say that they'll accept a 'Global Warranty Management printout from an authorized GM dealership' (so I'm trying to track that down) or the $250 scam letter from GM Vintage Dept.

[Sloan55]

FYI, for anyone looking to import a GM, I've been told by RIV today that a printout of the GM Vehicle Inquiry System Summary is no longer accepted for recall clearance

They said:
- sounds a bit bogus to me since the system is still in use by GM but what can you do (other than stop buying GM products)

They did say that they'll accept a 'Global Warranty Management printout from an authorized GM dealership' (so I'm trying to track that down) or the $250 scam letter from GM Vintage Dept.

I just inquired about that this morning and was told the same thing, all of a sudden GM isn't maintaining or updating their GMVIS system anymore

[Sloan55]

I hope you're right but the wording is not consistent with how the tax on a private car sale is described. You state ... pay the remaining 8% of HST ... however according to Ontario HST pdf, private car sales are not subject to HST, they are only charged a PST rate of 13% (i.e. there is no 'remaining' portion, it's 2 different taxes)

I don't think it is going to be 2 different taxes, I think they are just going to divide up the tax so you pay it at 2 different places when importing a vehicle. When buying privately in province, you will be required to pay the full 14% when plating your vehicle. Again, I am surmising here and only going off what the customs broker that we use told us. They said that they will still be charging us 5% at the border and the reaminder will be collected at the time of licensing. I guess we won't truly know for certain until someone does it after July 1st, but it sounds like with all the differing stories on here, that it has really turned into a cluster F big time.

[michelb]

I don't think it is going to be 2 different taxes, I think they are just going to divide up the tax so you pay it at 2 different places when importing a vehicle. When buying privately in province, you will be required to pay the full 14% when plating your vehicle. Again, I am surmising here and only going off what the customs broker that we use told us. They said that they will still be charging us 5% at the border and the reaminder will be collected at the time of licensing. I guess we won't truly know for certain until someone does it after July 1st, but it sounds like with all the differing stories on here, that it has really turned into a cluster F big time.

That's the problem, with the GST charged at the border, it's written as if it's 2 distinct taxes - GST at the border and PST (no GST) at the MTO. The Ontario HST pdf specifically says that privately sold vehicles (how imports are taxed by MTO) are not subject to HST but will be charged a PST rate of 13%.

[Anonymouse]

THe way I'm reading the actual law, we don't have to pay the 13% tax at MTO at all. It very specifically says that it applies only to vehicles bought in Canada.



Tax on specified vehicles
4.2 (1) Subject to subsection (5), every purchaser of a specified vehicle shall pay to Her Majesty in right of Ontario a tax in respect of the consumption or use of the specified vehicle computed at the rate of 8 per cent of the fair market value of the specified vehicle if the purchaser acquires the vehicle before July 1, 2010 and shall not pay tax in respect of the consumption or use of the specified vehicle under section 2. 2009, c. 34, Sched. R, s. 10 (1).
Same, purchases after June 30, 2010, etc.
(1.1) Every purchaser of a specified vehicle shall pay to Her Majesty in right of Ontario a tax in respect of the consumption or use of the specified vehicle computed at the rate of 13 per cent of the fair market value of the specified vehicle if the purchaser,
(a) acquires the vehicle in Ontario after June 30, 2010; or
(b) acquires the vehicle in Canada but outside Ontario and,
(i) brings the vehicle into Ontario after June 30, 2010, or
(ii) receives delivery of the vehicle in Ontario after June 30, 2010. 2009, c. 34, Sched. R, s. 10 (1).

[michelb]

THe way I'm reading the actual law, we don't have to pay the 13% tax at MTO at all. It very specifically says that it applies only to vehicles bought in Canada.

Good catch !!! Very interesting. Do you have the link for the full text?

-- edit

Found it. In case anyone else cares, it's in the Ontario Retail Sales Act:

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90r31_e.htm#BK17

[james-007]

Come on people can we put this GST / PST / HST thing to rest.... You are not going to be charged double tax. It's still going to be total 13%, the only exception is buy a vehicle in Canada through private sale, before you paid 8% now it'll be 13%. As for importing a vehicle from US nothing has changed. Total tax you pay is still 13% just on more items.

[michelb]

Come on people can we put this GST / PST / HST thing to rest.... You are not going to be charged double tax. It's still going to be total 13%, the only exception is buy a vehicle in Canada through private sale, before you paid 8% now it'll be 13%. As for importing a vehicle from US nothing has changed. Total tax you pay is still 13% just on more items.

I wasn't so sure that you are correct (I think most of us will agree that the tax change on private sales was brought on by car dealerships and the thing they'd probably like more above anything else is to find a way to slow down / stop imports so if this could be done by extra taxes, they'd be all for it) but the text found by Anonymouse is making me think that for imports, as of July 1st 2010, rather than not paying the 13% tax at all, CBSA is going to start charging the complete HST (like they do for all other goods) at the border and you won't have to pay any taxes on registration (which explains why in the tax act, you don't pay any tax if the vehicle was not acquired in Canada).

[tkertise]

Not for a 2010 RX. It's already equipped with an electronic immobilizer (chipped key) and child tether restraints. Get the US dealer to activate the DRLs and you're all set.

Stupid question, what is DLR?

[tcharged]

Stupid question, what is DLR?

Daytime running lights

[tkertise]

Not for a 2010 RX. It's already equipped with an electronic immobilizer (chipped key) and child tether restraints. Get the US dealer to activate the DRLs and you're all set.

Stupid question, what is DLR?

Edit, figured it out - day time running lights.

[Anonymouse]

the text found by Anonymouse is making me think that for imports, as of July 1st 2010, rather than not paying the 13% tax at all, CBSA is going to start charging the complete HST (like they do for all other goods) at the border and you won't have to pay any taxes on registration (which explains why in the tax act, you don't pay any tax if the vehicle was not acquired in Canada).

I have spoken to CBSA at length and they say they are collecting only 5% GST at the border. And the provincial law seems to say that you don't owe any RST on a car acquired outside of Canada.

This loophole will be closed soon if indeed it's valid, and I didn't review the whole RST act so there may well be something else in there about our case, but for now I think it's a great opportunity for Ontario importers!

[ajpaterson]

I have spoken to CBSA at length and they say they are collecting only 5% GST at the border. And the provincial law seems to say that you don't owe any RST on a car acquired outside of Canada.

This loophole will be closed soon if indeed it's valid, and I didn't review the whole RST act so there may well be something else in there about our case, but for now I think it's a great opportunity for Ontario importers!

As this is the Ontario RST act, I think it only means that imports will not be subject to the "special" 13% provincial tax designed to snag private sales.

HST will still apply as it does on all but specifically exempted purchases, but after talking with HST Rulings yesterday, we should be credited for GST paid at customs as is indicated in the RC4100 document you found.

If you look at the RST document further, it seems to also abolish the TFFC (Tax for Fuel Conservation) after June 30, I guess in favour of the federal Green Levy. I don't know if anyone's ever actually been charged the TFFC on registration, but in theory it could be a good thing to have the provincial tax abolished.

[Anonymouse]

As this is the Ontario RST act, I think it only means that imports will not be subject to the "special" 13% provincial tax designed to snag private sales.

But that IS the special tax right there, and it seems to exempt US vehicles.



HST will still apply as it does on all but specifically exempted purchases, but after talking with HST Rulings yesterday, we should be credited for GST paid at customs as is indicated in the RC4100 document you found.


HST doesn't apply to vehicles according to the .pdf file on the provincial government HST site. The RST was abolished except for (domestically bought) private vehicles to keep the tax payable the same.

[Albertan]

Hi guys, I have an emergency question.

I have to drive down to meet the shipper to pay him for my car, as stupid canada post did not get the money order to the receiver fast enough! :mad:


I don't have the actual copies of my title or bill of sale, just the faxed copies, will that be okay for going across the boarder? US customs was happy to accept my 72 hour fax, so I assume its okay/ anyone crossed at coutts without the physical title, does a copy work?

[tkertise]

As far as I can tell these changes to the HST/PST only affect BC and Ontario residents as of July 1st - this doesnt affect Alberta residents at all does it?

Tyler

[rjmbc]

Hi guys, I have an emergency question.

I have to drive down to meet the shipper to pay him for my car, as stupid canada post did not get the money order to the receiver fast enough! :mad:


I don't have the actual copies of my title or bill of sale, just the faxed copies, will that be okay for going across the boarder? US customs was happy to accept my 72 hour fax, so I assume its okay/ anyone crossed at coutts without the physical title, does a copy work?

It is my understanding that you must have the ORIGINAL TITLE for US Customs to approve export.

I have seen a number of people try (unsuccessfully) to argue this point, only to be turned back.

[Albertan]

It is my understanding that you must have the ORIGINAL TITLE for US Customs to approve export.

I have seen a number of people try (unsuccessfully) to argue this point, only to be turned back.

Thanks RJ,

I have little choice but to at least TRY, since I have to hand eff-ing deliver the payment to the shipper, thanks to Canada post's incompetence. :mad:

Any suggestions on lines/comments I could use? I called the boarder and asked generically if faxed titles were okay and the lady said 'faxed titles are fine!" but I am pretty sure, as I expect, she was referring to a fax of the title 72 hours before, not when I arrive.

Obviously I am going to use that ambiguity to get them to stamp my faxed copy.

Alternatively, I will try to explain to them I live 8 hours round trip from the border and that I would happily mail them the orginal title along with the stamped copy so they could shred/remove the faxed copy and stamp my original and mail it back.

Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated, I leave at 5am tomorrow :(

Also, does Canada customs need the original, or will a copy suffice? Otherwise I am going to have to plead with two sets of customs officers! ugh. I don't see what Canada Customs would need it for.

What's the impact if I just drive straight into canada without a us stamp? Will they ever know? (don't really want to do this)...

[rjmbc]

Thanks RJ,

I have little choice but to at least TRY, since I have to hand eff-ing deliver the payment to the shipper, thanks to Canada post's incompetence. :mad:

Any suggestions on lines/comments I could use? I called the boarder and asked generically if faxed titles were okay and the lady said 'faxed titles are fine!" but I am pretty sure, as I expect, she was referring to a fax of the title 72 hours before, not when I arrive.

Obviously I am going to use that ambiguity to get them to stamp my faxed copy.

Alternatively, I will try to explain to them I live 8 hours round trip from the border and that I would happily mail them the orginal title along with the stamped copy so they could shred/remove the faxed copy and stamp my original and mail it back.

Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated, I leave at 5am tomorrow :(

Also, does Canada customs need the original, or will a copy suffice? Otherwise I am going to have to plead with two sets of customs officers! ugh. I don't see what Canada Customs would need it for.

What's the impact if I just drive straight into canada without a us stamp? Will they ever know? (don't really want to do this)...

I think you will be out of luck. I tried it at Oroville/Osoyoos once when I temporarily lost the Originals - they had fallen out of the folder. No joy from US Customs - "we need the Originals". Fortunately a further search of the car turned them up. Saw an older couple trying to bring a vehicle across at Blaine - the dealer they had bought from had not given them to original - again - no luck. They were turned back.

I can't remember if Canadian Customs looks at the Title or not. I just give them all the documents I have & they complete the paperwork & calculate the taxes due.

Good luck

[Albertan]

badonkadonk

[Anonymouse]

I can't believe you are talking about flouting a very important US law about exporting vehicles. Just keep going in that direction and the terrorists will win!

Seriously, there are exactly no consequences to bypassing US customs, especially if you never go down there. The only time it would become an issue is if the previous owner called it in as stolen.

[Albertan]

I can't believe you are talking about flouting a very important US law about exporting vehicles. Just keep going in that direction and the terrorists will win!

Seriously, there are exactly no consequences to bypassing US customs, especially if you never go down there. The only time it would become an issue is if the previous owner called it in as stolen.

Thanks!

Any comments on whether or not canadian customs needs the original title / bill of sale, or if my copies will suffice?

[jindogae]

I do remember one poster going bypassing US customs by accident and had no trouble getting the vehicle through Canada Customs. I can't remember if Canada Customs requires the title. I can guarantee that you will not convince US customs to stamp a copy of the title.
Where is the title? Can you ask the shipper if they have a storage yard they can leave the vehicle until you have title in hand? This would be the easiest solution.

[michelb]

Hi guys, I have an emergency question.

I have to drive down to meet the shipper to pay him for my car, as stupid canada post did not get the money order to the receiver fast enough! :mad:


I don't have the actual copies of my title or bill of sale, just the faxed copies, will that be okay for going across the boarder? US customs was happy to accept my 72 hour fax, so I assume its okay/ anyone crossed at coutts without the physical title, does a copy work?

I think you need to find yourself a storage location on the US side as I don't think you'll be able to export from the US or import into Canada until you get the original. If you can't find it, you'll probably need to get the vendor to get a replacement and re-sign it over to you.

[calgaryhhr]

Hey Albertan,

If you need a place to leave the vehicle until you get the papers sorted out Contact Zac at the Montana Shipping Outlet in Sweetgrass. It is less than a minute from the border. I've done business with them many times and they are great to deal with. He'll charge a small fee but it is something to consider if you can't get the car across right away.

He is open 10-2 today (Saturday June 26)

http://www.montanashipping.com/index.html

[Albertan]

Well, everyone was right! US Customs wouldn't budge, of course, on the requirement for an original title.

The original title should be here Monday, so we'll go down then.

My next question is: Do I need the original BILL OF SALE for either US or CDN Customs?

I definitely don't have that, as the seller had me sign it via fax and send it back, so I have a faxed copy. I assume the bill of sale is okay as a copy, but I wanted to be sure before I drive 5 hours round trip again just to be turned away...

Your comments are appreciated!

[Anonymouse]

I corresponded with a tax lawyer today and this is what she said on the subject of the HST for imported vehicles:



HST is payable on importations of non-commercial goods (including cars). So, if an individual imports a car, they pay HST at the border. If it is a commercial vehicle, there is not HST at the border, but the dealer charges HST on the sale.

So the statement on the Ontario government's website that the HST does not apply to private vehicles is not true for imported cars.

So, it looks like there will be no free lunch for us importers. :-(

[jt20]

Hello everyone, this is a great forum and I am learning a lot.

I just have two quick questions:

1) When you purchase a car in the states for import, do you still have to pay that state's sales tax or do they exempt you if you tell them you are importing it?


2) I am thinking about importing a Mercedes and I heard there are so many problems in doing so? Does anyone have personal experience in doing so and do you have any tips for me?

3) When I register my car in Canada does the US warranty become obsolete? Or is it still valid? It doesn't matter to me as I live close to the border and I can easily cross over to get it fixed or will my US warranty become cancelled when I register the car in Ontario?

Thanks for the help. Also do you guys know of any good trustable brokers (I know there are many, but a reputable one that someone has actually used) that act as middle men in bringing over vehicles as I am really busy and wouldn't mind paying someone to act as middleman.

[scamit]

So this means we still pay 13% tax for imported cars or GST + HST?



I corresponded with a tax lawyer today and this is what she said on the subject of the HST for imported vehicles:



So the statement on the Ontario government's website that the HST does not apply to private vehicles is not true for imported cars.

So, it looks like there will be no free lunch for us importers. :-(

[copter]

Hello everyone, this is a great forum and I am learning a lot.

I just have two quick questions:

1) When you purchase a car in the states for import, do you still have to pay that state's sales tax or do they exempt you if you tell them you are importing it?

If you are buying new, you will have to pay state tax. Used cars for export are not subject to state tax.


2) I am thinking about importing a Mercedes and I heard there are so many problems in doing so? Does anyone have personal experience in doing so and do you have any tips for me?

I don't have any any info specific to Mercedes, but a quick search of this thread will reveal the info you want. Check the www.riv.ca website to be sure the model you want is admissible. Also, there will be duty on your car if it was manuafactured outside of North America.


3) When I register my car in Canada does the US warranty become obsolete? Or is it still valid? It doesn't matter to me as I live close to the border and I can easily cross over to get it fixed or will my US warranty become cancelled when I register the car in Ontario?

Thanks for the help. Also do you guys know of any good trustable brokers (I know there are many, but a reputable one that someone has actually used) that act as middle men in bringing over vehicles as I am really busy and wouldn't mind paying someone to act as middleman.

If you're close to the border the US dealerships shouldn't have a problem doing warranty work on it. Check to see if Mercedes honours their warranties here. I'm not sure if they do or not. You don't need a middleman to do the import. It's a very simple and pain free process.


Do a search in this thread and read the RIV website. Both contain full answers to all the questions you have asked.

[Matty]

3) When I register my car in Canada does the US warranty become obsolete? Or is it still valid? It doesn't matter to me as I live close to the border and I can easily cross over to get it fixed or will my US warranty become cancelled when I register the car in Ontario?

Thanks for the help. Also do you guys know of any good trustable brokers (I know there are many, but a reputable one that someone has actually used) that act as middle men in bringing over vehicles as I am really busy and wouldn't mind paying someone to act as middleman.

1- http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253

2- If you already have a car insured with a Cdn insurer, you are automatically covered for a few days/weeks on a newly purchased car, to the same extent that the current car is covered. Call them. You don't need to tell them it's from the US, just as you don't need to tell them every time you drive your current car there either.

[4family]

Having searched through the forum, I haven't found the exact answer I need and would appreciate any advice. Considering importing my 4th u.s. vehicle, so very familiar with the process. This time, I'd like to import a 2011 Toyota Sienna, but of course difficult or impossible to find a dealer to sell one new to Canadians. My scenario is this: I have a sister living in New Hampshire. Buying a vehicle there is nice because it is close to NB where I live, and there is no state sales tax. If she were to buy it, and register it in NH, there is a sizeable "property tax" that is paid on the vehicle, around 2-3% of the selling price. That might be worth just paying and taking the tax hit. I'm wondering, when buying NEW from a dealer, what would a local buyer actually get for paperwork? Is it an MCO, that they take to register themselves, or does the dealership do the registration for the car, and the buyer then goes and gets plates. If I can get just the MCO, if it is assigned to my sister, is there someplace on the back where it can be reassigned to me, or does the car have to be registered, plated, and then an official title issued before I can get it signed over? Anybody with personal experience with this, please chime in. Even better, if you know a U.S. toyota dealer who will sell new to Cdns, please pm me. I've called dealers throughout the southern states, east and west, and same answer, "NO". I did see broker posts here, from rmjbc and others, and that might be a possibility too.

[rjmbc]

Having searched through the forum, I haven't found the exact answer I need and would appreciate any advice. Considering importing my 4th u.s. vehicle, so very familiar with the process. This time, I'd like to import a 2011 Toyota Sienna, but of course difficult or impossible to find a dealer to sell one new to Canadians. My scenario is this: I have a sister living in New Hampshire. Buying a vehicle there is nice because it is close to NB where I live, and there is no state sales tax. If she were to buy it, and register it in NH, there is a sizeable "property tax" that is paid on the vehicle, around 2-3% of the selling price. That might be worth just paying and taking the tax hit. I'm wondering, when buying NEW from a dealer, what would a local buyer actually get for paperwork? Is it an MCO, that they take to register themselves, or does the dealership do the registration for the car, and the buyer then goes and gets plates. If I can get just the MCO, if it is assigned to my sister, is there someplace on the back where it can be reassigned to me, or does the car have to be registered, plated, and then an official title issued before I can get it signed over? Anybody with personal experience with this, please chime in. Even better, if you know a U.S. toyota dealer who will sell new to Cdns, please pm me. I've called dealers throughout the southern states, east and west, and same answer, "NO". I did see broker posts here, from rmjbc and others, and that might be a possibility too.

Send me a PM and we can discuss how this can be done without paying state sales tax etc.

[tkertise]

Hi All,

So I have settled on my car and the dealer out of Tacoma is sending me some documents to sign and send back to him. I just wanted to check out the normal process before sending over the money.

The documents he sent me were the Release of Interest, Credit application, Privacy Notice, Disclosure, Odometer Discloure, Buyers Advicit, Vehicle Buyers Order, Back side of buyers guide, NSD form, Vehicle protection Package and Lojack ancillary form.

He had asked that I send the money order today and then they would start on transferring the title. I haven't signed the above because they should just arrive today - he scanned me a copy of them for me to pre-read.

My question is - Is this the normal procedure, should I be transferring the money at this point?

Tyler

[Monsieurmaggot]

Hello everyone, this is a great forum and I am learning a lot.

I just have two quick questions:

1) When you purchase a car in the states for import, do you still have to pay that state's sales tax or do they exempt you if you tell them you are importing it?

In my case when buying in NY State. Absolutely NOT. Contrary to what anyone tells you, there is no sales tax payable when buying in NY state.

YMMV depending on the state you buy from.

[tkertise]

In my case when buying in NY State. Absolutely NOT. Contrary to what anyone tells you, there is no sales tax payable when buying in NY state.

YMMV depending on the state you buy from.


I am in the process of buying one in Washington and the guy had me forward 2 copies of bills showing my current address in Canada and he said that is sufficient to show export (along with a copy of my license) so that I dont have to pay the WA tax.

Tyler

[ipassgas]

[/COLOR]
1) When you purchase a car in the states for import, do you still have to pay that state's sales tax or do they exempt you if you tell them you are importing it?

If you are buying new, you will have to pay state tax. Used cars for export are not subject to state tax.


Do a search in this thread and read the RIV website. Both contain full answers to all the questions you have asked.


The post above is NOT correct....
I bought a new car in the US.... As long as it was not staying in the state, and not being registerred in the state, it was sold to me without state taxes (Maryland). It was trucked out of the state.

[michelb]

This varies from state to state. Most states do not charge the tax but it seems that more are requiring you to pay the tax unless the vehicle is delivered outside state lines (e.g. CA, FL, AZ (I think), MI, etc).

You really need to look at the rules for the state you are buying from. Also not that this might affect your ability to get a temp permit (e.g. to get a FL temp permit, you have to pay FL taxes).

[LVC70]

If anyone has located an Infiniti Dealer that is Canadian friendly, please PM me the contact information. I would prefer WA, OR, CA, however Montana or Idaho will also work. Thanks in advance.

[tkertise]

Hi All,

One last question about my car purchase. I am a resident of Alberta going to purchase a car around Seattle. I will bring it back through the car back through kingsgate/eastport which is located in BC. I'm assuming that the HST thing would only apply if I was registering it in BC, not bringing it back though BC to Alberta where I will register it?

Tyler

[ericwangge]

thanks for everyone's info here, but it's too long to read everything.
I am in Alberta and planning to buy a Impreza WRX from US, is there anyone knowing a Canadian friendly dealership in WA or OR?
by the way, i am assuming, for the warranty issue, i still can pay in Canada but claim in US, am I right?

[coldtoes]

We've decided on a Toyota Sienna, but we have been turned down by a couple of dealerships. Can someone PM me a dealer in Washington that wants our business? Otherwise I'll be going to Colorado (which is more of a drive).

Thanks

[rjmbc]

If anyone has located an Infiniti Dealer that is Canadian friendly, please PM me the contact information. I would prefer WA, OR, CA, however Montana or Idaho will also work. Thanks in advance.

I have PM'd you the name of a dealer in CA if you are interested.

[rjmbc]

thanks for everyone's info here, but it's too long to read everything.
I am in Alberta and planning to buy a Impreza WRX from US, is there anyone knowing a Canadian friendly dealership in WA or OR?
by the way, i am assuming, for the warranty issue, i still can pay in Canada but claim in US, am I right?

Yes, that is my understanding. I have PM'd you with information reagrding a dealer.

[Anonymouse]

Hi All,

One last question about my car purchase. I am a resident of Alberta going to purchase a car around Seattle. I will bring it back through the car back through kingsgate/eastport which is located in BC. I'm assuming that the HST thing would only apply if I was registering it in BC, not bringing it back though BC to Alberta where I will register it?

Tyler

Yes, you're right. You would pay only GST at the BC border (plus 6.1% duty if applicable.)

[asingh70]

Hi Guys,
I live in Ontario (Toronto) looking to import Infinity FX 35. Can some one PM me Friendly Infinity dealer near ontario border.

Thanks
Anil

[mjohare]

I'm looking to buy a 2010 subaru forester in the US. With 2011s coming out soon will there be deals or incentives offered on 2010s? When are these deals likely to kick in?

I seem to remember people posting that US subaru dealers offer much better discounts off of MSRP than Canadian dealers. Is this true?

[michelb]

Has anyone gotten a GM recall letter for GM Vintage recently?

[Monsieurmaggot]

I'm looking to buy a 2010 subaru forester in the US. With 2011s coming out soon will there be deals or incentives offered on 2010s? When are these deals likely to kick in?

I seem to remember people posting that US subaru dealers offer much better discounts off of MSRP than Canadian dealers. Is this true?

Dealers always heavily discount the older model year particularly if they have new models in the showroom. You can expect some discounts but nothing like the what you would get on a Huyhndai or Kia.

Sadly you won't qualify for any factory rebate. Subaru Canada protested the rediculous deals people were getting in the US.

When I bought my Subaru, the incentives were still possible and with NO price negotiations, I got my Outback for $18,000 less in the US.

Do your own pricing and then ask the Canadian dealer why the PDI is $1000 more in Canada. My wheel locks were $18 ($5 more for installation). It only gets worse from there....

[HP_John]

Hi Guys,
I live in Ontario (Toronto) looking to import Infinity FX 35. Can some one PM me Friendly Infinity dealer near ontario border.

Thanks
Anil

Infiniti dealers near the Ont border (eg Buffalo) try to convince you that you must buy for MSRP or even more, as they'll be punished by Infiniti for selling to Cdns. This is non-sense, as dealers far from the border have no qualms about selling to Cdns at discounted prices. I'd try dealers farther from the border & not deal with the BS that Buffalo area Infiniti dealers give Cdns.

[sufianmunir]

Hi
I am looking to buy a NEW toyota highlander and looking for a friendly dealership around NY. All the ones around Rochester turned us down.

Please can anyone PM me...
Kind Regards

[coldtoes]

Does anybody else notice that used cars in the states are very close to the price of used cars in Canada? I haven't been seeing the 25% spread like I see with new cars.

Or maybe I'm just looking at the wrong dealers.

[tkertise]

I'm not sure, but I bought a used 2010 lexus rx350 down there for about $40k US - by the time i get it up here it will be about $44k Canadian. It is a loaded model which sells new here for over 60k, and I have seen it here for about 54/55k canadian, so I figure that I saved around 10k, so I"m happy, but those are rough numbers because the models/options are different.

Tyler

[Kamloops]

Ok I called the border, ICBC, Autoplan agent, consumer taxation bc and canada and cant get an answer.

I will be importing a motorcycle in July from the USA. It is a BMW.
I am doing a trade for my bike.

Is there any duty.

I am trading my bike for it. He will also give me some cash
How will the tax work.

Do I pay tax on the full amount or on the difference? In this case there is no difference as my bike is worth more than the trade.

Some say I pay gst on the full amount at the border, and pay only 7% on the difference when I register it. Some Say I will py the full hst on the value at the border, ...no one knows!

[calgaryhhr]

thanks for everyone's info here, but it's too long to read everything.
I am in Alberta and planning to buy a Impreza WRX from US, is there anyone knowing a Canadian friendly dealership in WA or OR?
by the way, i am assuming, for the warranty issue, i still can pay in Canada but claim in US, am I right?

Someone at my office purchased a new Subaru for import into Canada in Salt Lake City, Utah.

[HP_John]

Does anybody else notice that used cars in the states are very close to the price of used cars in Canada? I haven't been seeing the 25% spread like I see with new cars.

Or maybe I'm just looking at the wrong dealers.

In my experience, a lot of dealers near the Ont border (eg Buffalo) are overcharging for cars IMO. They know Cdns are eager whenever the Cdn $ goes up. It's a bit more hassle to get it farther away, but the savings are usually worth it.

[UBCAce]

Recently purchased a 2009 Lexus IS250 from a dealer in Seattle and imported to BC. Picked up my vehicle yesterday (29th), paid the RIV at the RIV office at the border at around 2pm, downloaded my Form 1 at 5pm on the 29th (same day - I know, I too was shocked) and had it inspected this morning (30th). Got insurance and registration for it this afternoon. All this in two days (I did submit my paperwork to US Border Services last Thursday).

Very please overall with the savings (roughly $6000 for the same specs after everything). If anyone has any q's about the process/dealer I used feel free to PM me.

I wanted to ensure I didn't deal with the headache of the HST implementation tomorrow so was glad I got the Form 1 and inspection done so quick!

[Deemo]

Picked up my 09 Subie Outback from Joe Spitz (Carter) in Seattle last Thursday morning. Crossed Thursday afternoon at Blaine and paid my GST (go to "Line B" not the main line up) and drove straight to the RIV office with my recall letter.

RIV emailed my my download link on my way back to Calgary.

Camped at Salmon Arm Thursday night and back to Calgary on Friday.

Federal and provincial inspections at CT on Sunday.

Plated Monday.

VERY impressed with Joe and with RIV.

The RIV processed is even more streamlined than 4 years ago and for a government agency I am shocked at their effiency.

As a side note, I pretty much paid for my airline ticket to Seattle with the savings on a Thule box. $620+GST in Calgary and only $413 (no tax - didn't even ask) at RacknRoad in Seattle.

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[sufianmunir]

Hi
I would REALLY appreciate if someone can clarify this.

Can you IMPORT a BRAND NEW PURCHASED Vehicle from US, not title it in US, bring it to canada, pay taxes and register it here?

I am planning to BUY a NEW TOYOTA from US. I told the dealer I am buying OUT OF STATE, wont be paying taxes and will take the car to my state and pay taxes there and register it (He wont sell new toyota to a canadian, I have a US license as well, I will be using that).

I will buy the car, get Bill of Sale, MCO and temp tags and bring the car to canada. Will there be ANY problems?

Will US customs ask me WHY car was NOT titled in US???
Will they allow export of a newly purchased vehicle to Canada?

Please clarify or PM Me, plz plz plz

[4family]

Hi
I would REALLY appreciate if someone can clarify this.

Can you IMPORT a BRAND NEW PURCHASED Vehicle from US, not title it in US, bring it to canada, pay taxes and register it here?

I am planning to BUY a NEW TOYOTA from US. I told the dealer I am buying OUT OF STATE, wont be paying taxes and will take the car to my state and pay taxes there and register it (He wont sell new toyota to a canadian, I have a US license as well, I will be using that).

I will buy the car, get Bill of Sale, MCO and temp tags and bring the car to canada. Will there be ANY problems?

Will US customs ask me WHY car was NOT titled in US???
Will they allow export of a newly purchased vehicle to Canada?

Please clarify or PM Me, plz plz plz

The "search" button is your friend. There are about 18000 posts here that answer your questions. Your issue will not be the border, it will be finding a toyota dealer that will sell new to you, even with a u.s. licence.

[james-007]

Hi
I would REALLY appreciate if someone can clarify this.

Can you IMPORT a BRAND NEW PURCHASED Vehicle from US, not title it in US, bring it to canada, pay taxes and register it here?

I am planning to BUY a NEW TOYOTA from US. I told the dealer I am buying OUT OF STATE, wont be paying taxes and will take the car to my state and pay taxes there and register it (He wont sell new toyota to a canadian, I have a US license as well, I will be using that).

I will buy the car, get Bill of Sale, MCO and temp tags and bring the car to canada. Will there be ANY problems?

Will US customs ask me WHY car was NOT titled in US???
Will they allow export of a newly purchased vehicle to Canada?

Please clarify or PM Me, plz plz plz

Simple answer....
Yes, you can do that Canadian and American border services do not care if the car has been registered in the US or not. I bought a new Toyota 3 years ago and Toyota Warranty is covered in Canada.

Good luck

[Anonymouse]

The Toyota dealer will give you a document called the Manufacturer's Statement of Origin (MSO). This is equivalent to the title for export purposes.

[ruchir]

Does anyone know any dealer in NY or anywhere within 8 hours from Toronto who is Canadian friendly and would be willing to sell to Canadians? I am looking to buy used Toyota Sienna. Thanks a lot in advance.



We've decided on a Toyota Sienna, but we have been turned down by a couple of dealerships. Can someone PM me a dealer in Washington that wants our business? Otherwise I'll be going to Colorado (which is more of a drive).

Thanks

[rjmbc]

Does anyone know any dealer in NY or anywhere within 8 hours from Toronto who is Canadian friendly and would be willing to sell to Canadians? I am looking to buy used Toyota Sienna. Thanks a lot in advance.

Assuming that the reason to be with 8 hours of Toronto is so you can pick it, you should look at the cost of shipping. We bring vehicles from Los Angelos in cover vans to Blaine Washington (just south of Vancouver) for $700 or less. This is a 20+ hour drive. I could not drive down and pick it up for that price.

[smacd]

Does anyone know any dealer in NY or anywhere within 8 hours from Toronto who is Canadian friendly and would be willing to sell to Canadians? I am looking to buy used Toyota Sienna. Thanks a lot in advance.

There is no issue whatsoever with a USED Toyota. ALL dealers will sell USED to Canadians.

[andlai]

I purchased a Forester 2 years ago. Now I am looking for a Murano. If anyone can guide me to a East Coast Nissan dealer, I would highly appreciate it. Please feel free to pm me. Thanks....

[smacd]

I purchased a Forester 2 years ago. Now I am looking for a Murano. If anyone can guide me to a East Coast Nissan dealer, I would highly appreciate it. Please feel free to pm me. Thanks....

Buy lightly used. Nissan voids the warranty if new cars aren't registered in the US for 6 months first.

[rjmbc]

I purchased a Forester 2 years ago. Now I am looking for a Murano. If anyone can guide me to a East Coast Nissan dealer, I would highly appreciate it. Please feel free to pm me. Thanks....

I have one that has sold to Canadians in the past. PM me with your email address and I will forward it to you.

[ruchir]

Thanks smacd. Do you mean all AUTHORIZED TOYOTA DEALERS will sell used to Canadians? I know used dealer will sell but I think authorized toyota dealers won't. I don't want to buy from used car dealers that are not authorized Toyota dealers because of the reliability issues. I called a few NY toyota dealers. They are just not willing to sell even used cars to the Canadian. Will call again to see if I get lucky.


There is no issue whatsoever with a USED Toyota. ALL dealers will sell USED to Canadians.

[smacd]

Thanks smacd. Do you mean all AUTHORIZED TOYOTA DEALERS will sell used to Canadians? I know used dealer will sell but I think authorized toyota dealers won't. I don't want to buy from used car dealers that are not authorized Toyota dealers because of the reliability issues. I called a few NY toyota dealers. They are just not willing to sell even used cars to the Canadian. Will call again to see if I get lucky.

As far as I know, the only stipulation Toyota requires of it's US dealers is that a NEW Toyota must be registered in the US before it's allowed to be exported. If a new Toyota is what you're after, rjmbc has a US company that will do this for you. (Highly recommended) If you're buying USED, the vehicle has already been registered in the US, so Toyota corporate is satisfied, and ANY Toyota dealer should sell you a USED vehicle. Balance of factory warranty will be honoured in Canada, also.

My info was current as of Feb this year. In the west at least, I had 5 or 6 US dealers looking out for a used Venza for me, but since they were only 12 months old, few were showing up. None of the dealers had any problem selling me used.

[ruchir]

I found a used 2009 Toyota Sienna on internet at $19,888 USD. Do you think it is a great price? The vehicle is in USA and being sold by an authorized Toyota dealer. Assuming no accidents or any other issues, can anyone just comment on the price of this car? Note that this is pre-tax and I will have to pay HST and all other costs in importing this to Canada.

Following are the other details:
2009 Toyota Sienna, 5dr 8-Pass Van LE FWD, Price $19,888.00 USD, 38,065 Miles (i.e. 61,000 kms), Engine 3.5L, Automatic Transmission

Thanks in advance.

[ruchir]

thanks. Great information.


As far as I know, the only stipulation Toyota requires of it's US dealers is that a NEW Toyota must be registered in the US before it's allowed to be exported. If a new Toyota is what you're after, rjmbc has a US company that will do this for you. (Highly recommended) If you're buying USED, the vehicle has already been registered in the US, so Toyota corporate is satisfied, and ANY Toyota dealer should sell you a USED vehicle. Balance of factory warranty will be honoured in Canada, also.

[CalgaryJeremyK]

I found a used 2009 Toyota Sienna on internet at $19,888 USD. Do you think it is a great price? The vehicle is in USA and being sold by an authorized Toyota dealer. Assuming no accidents or any other issues, can anyone just comment on the price of this car? Note that this is pre-tax and I will have to pay HST and all other costs in importing this to Canada.

Following are the other details:
2009 Toyota Sienna, 5dr 8-Pass Van LE FWD, Price $19,888.00 USD, 38,065 Miles (i.e. 61,000 kms), Engine 3.5L, Automatic Transmission

Thanks in advance.

Not a great price. Remember the US LE trim level is lower than the trim level in Canada (i.e. no power sliding doors and other items missing). That's a fair number of KMs for a 2009 (66,000K or so so you are out of the basic warranty). You should be able to do pretty close to that for a Canadian trim CE which is similar to the US LE.

[TongyongUser]

FYI, Hyundai Canada does NOT void your warranty. You just have to submit your claim manually to Hyundai USA, or if you live close to the border you can just drive your car across to get the work done. I have a Santa Fe that I imported, and have had several things done that were under warranty. Sure I had to pay for them up-front, but then I got reimbursed a few weeks later.

Not sure if this still holds, but here's the latest response from Hyundai about warranty that I can find:

Warranty: “No. There is no warranty on imported vehicles.” (http://www.wheels.ca/article/785643)

I'm also tempted to get Santa Fe, but if the warranty is void in CA, then that's another story.

[ruchir]

Thanks so much for reply. It seems US prices (at least for Toyota) are no more very attractive. It seems the price difference between US and Canada is not much as far as Toyota is concerned. I am not sure if it even worth considering to import a Toyota. Perhaps GM cars are far cheaper in US than in Canada but same is not true for Toyota.

BTW, an off topic question - do you think used cars being sold by authorized Toyota dealerships (here in Canada) are more reliable and trustworthy than those sold by used car dealers (the ones that are not authorized Toyota dealers). I am debating whether to buy a used car from Toyota dealership or from any good used car dealer (hard to find good used car dealers who can be trusted).

Any ideas/ opinion? Thanks so much.




Not a great price. Remember the US LE trim level is lower than the trim level in Canada (i.e. no power sliding doors and other items missing). That's a fair number of KMs for a 2009 (66,000K or so so you are out of the basic warranty). You should be able to do pretty close to that for a Canadian trim CE which is similar to the US LE.

[tcharged]

Not sure if this still holds, but here's the latest response from Hyundai about warranty that I can find:

Warranty: “No. There is no warranty on imported vehicles.” (http://www.wheels.ca/article/785643)

I'm also tempted to get Santa Fe, but if the warranty is void in CA, then that's another story.


So what? What can go wrong on a Santa Fe? So minor. Buy one, save your money and laugh at others who pay close to full price for one here. Warranty is overrated especially on Korean cars.

[scamit]

Alright guys, need some help regarding the title of the vehicle. I purchased a used 2010 Lexus RX 350 and looking to pick it up this week. The car was traded in at an Acura Dealer. The car was financed by Lexus corp and the Acura dealer purchased the car and paid off the loan. The original title was mailed back to the Acura dealer with a stamp and sign on it saying the lien has been cleared on the vehicle, which is great. Since its the original title, it still indicates that the owner of the vehicle is the guy who traded in the car. Should the dealer not get another title stating Acura as the owner of the vehicle? I dont know how the whole title thing works, but should this be ok for me to export the car into Canada? Or do i need to get the dealer to have another title with their name on it as owners? I asked the dealer this and they indicates this is how every used car sale is completed. The only time the title would be in their name is if its a vehicle they originally owned, like a loaner vehicle and then they sold the vehicle.

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks!

[smacd]

Sounds right to me. I can't imagine the expense involved if the dealer registered every car that crossed their lot in their name. Just to be sure, why not call RIV and the US border crossing you plan on using and ask, so there's no surprises?

[drayog]

successfully imported a vehicle a few years back, haven't been keeping up to date with things these days as I haven't need to buy. But I have a Bro looking to buy a brand new 2010 Toyota Tacoma, are these still out of the question to bring over from the US brand new ? Thanks and sorry if it's a dumb question.

[FatWallet]

Should the dealer not get another title stating Acura as the owner of the vehicle?
Dealers in the US do not get a new title prior to selling the car.
I would strongly suggest getting an Autocheck report for any used vehicle. The dealer should provide this as a freebie if they're a quality dealer.

[scamit]

Thats what i thought and that is exactly what the dealer told me. I got a Carfax and Autocheck report. I also spoke to Lexus USA and they were even able to pull up maintenance records for the vehicle and if any warranty work was completed. So far experience has been fantastic from the dealer and Lexus Corp. Everything checks out fine, was just extra paranoid since first time importing a car.

Thanks!



Dealers in the US do not get a new title prior to selling the car.
I would strongly suggest getting an Autocheck report for any used vehicle. The dealer should provide this as a freebie if they're a quality dealer.

[siwen66]

Does anyone import a car from States to Ontario after July 1?
Could you share HST information?

Thanks,

[scamit]

I am importing on Thursday so will let you know.


Does anyone import a car from States to Ontario after July 1?
Could you share HST information?

Thanks,

[Albertan]

Guys, I need some advice!

As you'll notice, I bought a 2009 A4 from Jack Daniel's Audi a month ago. They have not got me the title yet! The car is waiting for me in a warehouse, but I can't import it until I get the title! I have left messages with my salesman and the GM of the Audi dealer, but they haven't been willing to do much but wait for the title to get :returned to sender".

These idiots blame their secretary, as she was supposed to overnight it, but instead she mailed it regular mail :eek:


What can I do? Does anyone know a notary in Calgary who will notarize my faxed copy as an original, so I can get the car home?!

Help!

[acklam]

I am importing on Thursday so will let you know.

For HST issue, I'm thinking about importing another car later this year so I've started some research. A copy of this page may be handy for you since point #7 explicitly states "eight percent": http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/rgoutcan.shtml

Let us know how it goes.

[goodzyk]

Guys, I need some advice!

As you'll notice, I bought a 2009 A4 from Jack Daniel's Audi a month ago. They have not got me the title yet! The car is waiting for me in a warehouse, but I can't import it until I get the title! I have left messages with my salesman and the GM of the Audi dealer, but they haven't been willing to do much but wait for the title to get :returned to sender".

These idiots blame their secretary, as she was supposed to overnight it, but instead she mailed it regular mail :eek:


What can I do? Does anyone know a notary in Calgary who will notarize my faxed copy as an original, so I can get the car home?!

Help!


I'm guessing there may another reason for the delay...depending how the dealer has his business financing, the bank may be holding the vehicle titles as security for his operating lines of credit etc. then they will return the title when the car is sold ( as long as the line of credit is in good standing) this title return can take awhile - thats why US residents can buy a car from a dealer or privately and have a grace period of 30 days or so before they plate it, in order to give time to obtain title back from the lender. If you're at 30 days now and this is the reason- hope you'll be seeing it any day...

[allknowing]

Cdn $ tanking :-(

[michelb]

For HST issue, I'm thinking about importing another car later this year so I've started some research. A copy of this page may be handy for you since point #7 explicitly states "eight percent": http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/rgoutcan.shtml

Let us know how it goes.

I suspect that this page has not been updated since July 1st and the HST and that as soon as they do, the "eight percent" will become "thirteen percent"

[michelb]

I'm guessing there may another reason for the delay...depending how the dealer has his business financing, the bank may be holding the vehicle titles as security for his operating lines of credit etc. then they will return the title when the car is sold ( as long as the line of credit is in good standing) this title return can take awhile - thats why US residents can buy a car from a dealer or privately and have a grace period of 30 days or so before they plate it, in order to give time to obtain title back from the lender. If you're at 30 days now and this is the reason- hope you'll be seeing it any day...

I could also be that they are simply waiting to get a clear title (I've seen some US dealerships say that it can take up to 6 weeks to get a title).

If they did get it and send it by regular mail, with the US / Cnd holidays it could probably take a week or more just for it to get to you.

I don't believe you'd be able to export / import without the actual title so getting a someone to notarize a fax as a copy of the original is probably not an option (and even if it was, how do you expect the notary to be able to do that? All you can provide is the faxed copy so they have no idea if it's the same as the original - if you had both, you might be able to get them to notarize that the fax is the same ...)

[smacd]

Cdn $ tanking :-(

Not today. Up over a cent so far.

[hhhm3]

Guys, I need some advice!

As you'll notice, I bought a 2009 A4 from Jack Daniel's Audi a month ago. They have not got me the title yet! The car is waiting for me in a warehouse, but I can't import it until I get the title! I have left messages with my salesman and the GM of the Audi dealer, but they haven't been willing to do much but wait for the title to get :returned to sender".

These idiots blame their secretary, as she was supposed to overnight it, but instead she mailed it regular mail :eek:


What can I do? Does anyone know a notary in Calgary who will notarize my faxed copy as an original, so I can get the car home?!

Help!

I seen a similar situation, but it was the Bank that sent the title regular mail, they were suppose to send it overnight. The dealership even provided the UPS shipment # to use but the bank was stupid and sent it regular mail.

Your local bank should be able to notarize/officiate the title for free.
Especially when you use their service to wire transfer or money order the payment for the car.
Even your lawyer can do that, they should charge you either, simple stamp and sign.
If your lawyer charges you, don't use their service again.

My bro imported a 2009 Audi A5 S-line last year

[Tinku]

Does anyone have experience with the HST, what it means to import a car, planning on getting a Sienna or Odyssey, 2007 -2009.

[Mr. Mayhew]

Guys, I need some advice!

As you'll notice, I bought a 2009 A4 from Jack Daniel's Audi a month ago. They have not got me the title yet! The car is waiting for me in a warehouse, but I can't import it until I get the title! I have left messages with my salesman and the GM of the Audi dealer, but they haven't been willing to do much but wait for the title to get :returned to sender".

These idiots blame their secretary, as she was supposed to overnight it, but instead she mailed it regular mail :eek:


What can I do? Does anyone know a notary in Calgary who will notarize my faxed copy as an original, so I can get the car home?!

Help!

Depending what state the dealer is in, they can file for a duplicate/lost title which may be faster than waiting for the old one to come in. I know in Arizona this process is fairly quick, as long as the dealer pushes hard enough (this happened to me once before as well). I always ask for the tracking number from them when they send the title, to avoid these situations. Unfortunately these guys have your money and probably could care less about your situation.

My suggestion is call the local DMV, explain your situation and find out the processing time. Get the name and number of the person you are talking to. If it is within reason, Then call the dealership, dont say who you are, ask for the title clerk and tell them whats up. Explain your dire need to have this issue handled and tell them what the DMV has told you, give the name and number of whom you spoke with, then tell them you will follow up with them in an hour (time constraints usually make you priority).

If worst comes to worst, find out if the business is a member of BBB (better business bureau) and tell the dealer principal you would rather have this issue handled internally than to bring a third party in (BBB) to handle it for you as it is causing you great distress and frankly you feel they are giving you the run around. This would get his attention and have him lay the hammer down on the ppl to handle it for you...

I wish you the best of luck, hope this helps!

[shewa]

Anyone bought a car from VanBortel Subaru in west rochester N.Y. lately? I have been sending emails and leaving telephone messages for Karl Lindemuth for two months with no response. He's the guy recommended in this thread.

[diigii]

Hello fellow RFD'ers! I'm currently here in Frederick, MD on vacation. Just browsing thru the papers this morning and this caught my attention that I couldn't just let it pass without helping fellow car shoppers here to check it out if they're interested.

For Toyota shoppers, how do you like this?
2010 Camry SE, V6, JBL, Bluetooth, moonroof, leather for $21,777 after $8,468 dealer discount.

2010 Sienna LE air, automatic for $21,888 after $3,507 dealer discount.

I couldn't believe it. Not sure if they sell new to Canadians. To Toyota shoppers, you should check it out. Who knows they might sell to you. toyotaofbowie.com

[siwen66]

Anyone bought a car from VanBortel Subaru in west rochester N.Y. lately? I have been sending emails and leaving telephone messages for Karl Lindemuth for two months with no response. He's the guy recommended in this thread.

use gmail messenger to contact him.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Hello fellow RFD'ers! I'm currently here in Frederick, MD on vacation. Just browsing thru the papers this morning and this caught my attention that I couldn't just let it pass without helping fellow car shoppers here to check it out if they're interested.

For Toyota shoppers, how do you like this?
2010 Camry SE, V6, JBL, Bluetooth, moonroof, leather for $21,777 after $8,468 dealer discount.

2010 Sienna LE air, automatic for $21,888 after $3,507 dealer discount.

I couldn't believe it. Not sure if they sell new to Canadians. To Toyota shoppers, you should check it out. Who knows they might sell to you. toyotaofbowie.com

You know diigiii, you continue to be my hero.

Who in their right mind (and not independantly wealthy) wouldn't consider this deal?

If you're in the Ottawa region, I'm sure you will see these exact vehicles at the local Toyota dealership there. If memory serves me, didn't they get spotted a few years ago bringing in truckloads of Siennas from the US?

[Tinku]

Does anybody have any experience with the HST changes as of 1st July ? What does it mean to propective importers like me ?

Thanks diigii, I am interested in the Sienna and thats one nice price except have to check if they will sell to Canadian customers.

[fliime]

has anyone used http://www.usautoimport.ca/ ??

[Monsieurmaggot]

has anyone used http://www.usautoimport.ca/ ??


Why pay for a service you can get here at RFD for free?

Unless they're a company that can legally "acquire" a US vehicle for you for a nominal fee ($250 - $500) they're not bringing much to the table.

If you feel better paying someone, donate $200 to a charity and your fellow RFDers will help you out.

[Sloan55]

Why pay for a service you can get here at RFD for free?

Unless they're a company that can legally "acquire" a US vehicle for you for a nominal fee ($250 - $500) they're not bringing much to the table.

If you feel better paying someone, donate $200 to a charity and your fellow RFDers will help you out.

Not bringing much to the table? MM I respect what you have done on this thread to make Canadians aware of the deals over the border, but please do not put down legitimate companies that take care of the import process for those individuals that choose not to do the import process themselves. Some people don't have the time, or knowledge, or energy, to do the actual importation themselves, they are simply happy to have saved money on the purchase of the vehicle.

[inthelog]

I am aware US dealers will not sell to Canadians. Can someone give me a clue how to make this happen?

I know rjmbc can do this but he is in the West.

Plz and Thx.

[smacd]

I am aware US dealers will not sell to Canadians. Can someone give me a clue how to make this happen?

I know rjmbc can do this but he is in the West.

Plz and Thx.

Easiest way is to have a friend or relative who lives in the US purchase it, register it in their state and sell to you. Otherwise you need someone with access to a US company to do this for you. Add up the fee charged by a company, state tax if applicable, riv fees, misc expenses, and see if it's worthwhile. For a Corolla, it's probably not much of a savings.

[Mr. Mayhew]

Not bringing much to the table? MM I respect what you have done on this thread to make Canadians aware of the deals over the border, but please do not put down legitimate companies that take care of the import process for those individuals that choose not to do the import process themselves. Some people don't have the time, or knowledge, or energy, to do the actual importation themselves, they are simply happy to have saved money on the purchase of the vehicle.

Well said. +1

[ppl4golf]

Well said. +1


Not bringing much to the table? MM I respect what you have done on this thread to make Canadians aware of the deals over the border, but please do not put down legitimate companies that take care of the import process for those individuals that choose not to do the import process themselves. Some people don't have the time, or knowledge, or energy, to do the actual importation themselves, they are simply happy to have saved money on the purchase of the vehicle.


Why pay for a service you can get here at RFD for free?

Unless they're a company that can legally "acquire" a US vehicle for you for a nominal fee ($250 - $500) they're not bringing much to the table.

If you feel better paying someone, donate $200 to a charity and your fellow RFDers will help you out.

-1

Why defeat the purpose to save big $$$ by letting someone in ??

The whole point is to save >>$5000-$10000.

Well said Mr Maggot, unless it is done for a fixed nominal fee of ~$500...it is absolutely against RFD spirit.

Last I checked, the fee structure of some so called 'legit' importers is completely crap.

[ziploc]

Not bringing much to the table? MM I respect what you have done on this thread to make Canadians aware of the deals over the border, but please do not put down legitimate companies that take care of the import process for those individuals that choose not to do the import process themselves. Some people don't have the time, or knowledge, or energy, to do the actual importation themselves, they are simply happy to have saved money on the purchase of the vehicle.

I disagree..I respect Your opinion and You're somehow right but there's another side....

This tread was created to help individuals and not companies...

The OP wants to keep it clean and avoid being polluted by shark advertisements

And this tread brought already a significant market for this brokers...and any stupid can find them in the Internet

It's MonsieurMaggot tread...keep it like he wants....

I thank him for it, he introduced me to this idea in this tread and I'm already at my 3rd purchase in US and convinced friends to do the same...which in the end save us tons of money....

Just respect him.....there can always be other treads open in vehicle section about the brokers, etc

[Sloan55]

Whether or not you agree with people using an importer to bring in their vehicle after they have purchased it, or people using a service to purchase AND import the vehicle for them, it is ultimately their choice in the matter. The bottom line is the biggest cost savings for the consumer will be on the purchase of the vehicle itself, not on doing the actual import process themselves.

ppl4golf, why defeat the purpose to save big $$ by letting someone else in? I addressed that in my original post. It really does not take long to locate a vehicle via internet search, make some phone calls, send a wire transfer and then sign some documents that are overnighted to you. The time consuming, and confusing (for some people) nature of the actual import process turns some people off from the whole procedure, so they would rather let someone else handle the process. They do not want to take the time off work to drive down to pick up the vehicle, or fly down, or have to get a friend or relative to go down with them. They don't want to deal with customs, to have to get the daytime running lights activated (if applicable). All of these are factors in people's decision process on importing vehicles into Canada. Buying the actual vehicle is the big cost savings and takes the least amount of time.

[Sloan55]

FYI guys, regarding the HST issue. We are in the process of bringing in an Audi TT for a customer. We paid 5% HST at the border and had to pay the remaining 8% HST at the license bureau. The license bureau actually had to over ride their system so it didn't charge 13% when they were processing our case.

[siwen66]

FYI guys, regarding the HST issue. We are in the process of bringing in an Audi TT for a customer. We paid 5% HST at the border and had to pay the remaining 8% HST at the license bureau. The license bureau actually had to over ride their system so it didn't charge 13% when they were processing our case.

thanks, glad to know.

[michelb]

FYI guys, regarding the HST issue. We are in the process of bringing in an Audi TT for a customer. We paid 5% HST at the border and had to pay the remaining 8% HST at the license bureau. The license bureau actually had to over ride their system so it didn't charge 13% when they were processing our case.

Thanks for the update. Just so it's clear, was this vehicle purchased in the US before or after July 1st? Did it cross the border before or after July 1st?

Let us know. Thanks

[Sloan55]

Vehicle was purchased in the US BEFORE July 1st (June 19th)
Vehicle physically crossed the border on Tuesday July 6th
Vehicle was licensed on Thursday July 8th

[michelb]

Vehicle was purchased in the US BEFORE July 1st (June 19th)
Vehicle physically crossed the border on Tuesday July 6th
Vehicle was licensed on Thursday July 8th

Perfect, thanks for the info. So that confirms that nothing has changed for imports since the HST (except that maybe now you'll have to be a bit more vigilant at the MTO to make sure they don't charge you the 'default' 13% and override it to 8%)

[asingh70]

Hi All

Just wondering if INFINITY FX 35 builds in US or North America does Infinity dealers in Canada honour warranty or not ?
Thx

[riffr aff]

goin' to pick up my Subaru 2.5i Limited Cypress Green on Monday. Hope to be home in time for supper.

[rjmbc]

Hi All

Just wondering if INFINITY FX 35 builds in US or North America does Infinity dealers in Canada honour warranty or not ?
Thx

Looks like it is made in Japan, based on the VIN number. I also understand that Canadian dealers will honour the warranty, but probably best to check directly with Infinity.

[JPTN]

Looks like it is made in Japan, based on the VIN number. I also understand that Canadian dealers will honour the warranty, but probably best to check directly with Infinity.Infiniti honours the warranty.

For Nissan, it has to be 6 months old or transfered to the same name in Canada.
e.g. bought in the US and registered to Jane Doe, transfered to Jane Doe in Canada.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Whether or not you agree with people using an importer to bring in their vehicle after they have purchased it, or people using a service to purchase AND import the vehicle for them, it is ultimately their choice in the matter. The bottom line is the biggest cost savings for the consumer will be on the purchase of the vehicle itself, not on doing the actual import process themselves.

ppl4golf, why defeat the purpose to save big $$ by letting someone else in? I addressed that in my original post. It really does not take long to locate a vehicle via internet search, make some phone calls, send a wire transfer and then sign some documents that are overnighted to you. The time consuming, and confusing (for some people) nature of the actual import process turns some people off from the whole procedure, so they would rather let someone else handle the process. They do not want to take the time off work to drive down to pick up the vehicle, or fly down, or have to get a friend or relative to go down with them. They don't want to deal with customs, to have to get the daytime running lights activated (if applicable). All of these are factors in people's decision process on importing vehicles into Canada. Buying the actual vehicle is the big cost savings and takes the least amount of time.

My point is simple:

Over the past few years I've sent a couple of letters to some "fly by night" importers who took it upon themselves to pretty well copy my FAQs verbatim (some on their websites) and actually charge people for the information that I compiled along with some fellow RFDers. Some people paid $100 for the exact information that is found on POST #1.

I've received emails from disgruntled people who paid $1000 or more to let someone handle the import process for them only to find out later just how simple the process actually is.

Fact is, I don't have ANY issue with someone helping import a car - I do it routinely but consciously choose not to charge for the information or the assistance (I have a daytime job). I do have a problem when the public pay too much for it. That borders on snake oil tactics.

I get particularly annoyed when they charge people for my FAQ (I've had them send me copies).

Charging $250 - $500 seems high but fair enough when "helping" someone do the paperwork considering it all can be done in less than one hour.

There are NO forms to fill out. Canada Customs might ask you to fill in some minor details on the import document but that hardly constitutes "filling in all necessary import documentation" as some sites point out. Faxing some forms to the US Customs is typically done by the car dealer.

I have complete respect for the companies who physically buy and import the car for you. Some companies go that extra step and should be compensated whatever the market will bear.

That's my two cents.

[Mr. Mayhew]

Alright, on the topic of using an importer.

I do agree with you that if you have the time, experience and knowledge to do so yourself, there is not much reason to use an importer unless their fees are small (we charge only $595 for this service and not too many people use it). Where an importer can really help you out is in pricing, availability/selection, new vehicles, finance/lease, trade ins, etc, not to mention the no-hassle factor.

As an importer i gain my customers access to dealer/manufacturer auctions with full condition reports and buyer protection programs, gain them access to any and all new vehicles, including all rebates (even loyalty rebates for most vehicles when applicable), as well as allow them to trade their current vehicle in, finance or lease (as low as 2.99% for finance) and only pay 20% CDN deposit upon the initial agreement being signed, the remainder payable upon inspection and delivery.

I think you would be hard pressed to be able to say that as a consumer, you could reap the same benefits if you did this on your own.

Although, we may be speaking about completely different types of imports.

Also, +10 respect points in my book for your work here on RFD, quite astonishing the amount of people who contribute to your forum on a daily basis. GW

[inthelog]

Easiest way is to have a friend or relative who lives in the US purchase it, register it in their state and sell to you. Otherwise you need someone with access to a US company to do this for you. Add up the fee charged by a company, state tax if applicable, riv fees, misc expenses, and see if it's worthwhile. For a Corolla, it's probably not much of a savings.

Thanks very much for sharing. You must be right as I contacted an importer, they said the same thing. I checked the price from both Toyota's US web site and Canada website, I see a price difference of 4-6k before Tx. If this is true, why still not too much saving?

[dvdrsi]

Hey everyone! Hope all is well. I decided to pick up a used car from NJ and will be driving her home next week. I have 1 question to ask you pros:

1) I'm having the current owner fax over the ownership to the U.S customs so they can process it in 3 business days. My question is...do they also need the bill of sale to process it 3 days in advance as well? I don't want to be stuck there for 3 business days waiting for them to process it...


That's pretty much it

Thanks!!

[Sloan55]

Hey everyone! Hope all is well. I decided to pick up a used car from NJ and will be driving her home next week. I have 1 question to ask you pros:

1) I'm having the current owner fax over the ownership to the U.S customs so they can process it in 3 business days. My question is...do they also need the bill of sale to process it 3 days in advance as well? I don't want to be stuck there for 3 business days waiting for them to process it...


That's pretty much it

Thanks!!

US Customs only requires the title, not the bill of sale. I would suggest that you get proof of fax confirmation from the guy you are buying the car from, just in case there are any issues at the border, you don't want to be stuck there an extra 3 days. Or find out if there is a number that you can call after the fax has been sent, to confirm with customs that they received it.

[gphammer]

Hi Folks,

I am a complete newbie at this and am looking for some guidance.

Received a price for a 2011 vehicle that I want to purchase. I will wire the dealer the proceeds and then have a broker transport the vehicle up to Washington (used a friends US address). I want to try to see if i can import it myself from then on.

My question's are:
1) When asking the dealer to fax me the sale agreement before paying, is the fax copy of the Bill of sale ok for US customs or is the original required? is the Bill of sale the same as a title?

2) Can I have the dealer provide me the recall letter? With my name on the sale, will warranty in the US be covered (honda) What else should I ask for?

3) Do I have to find storage for 72 hours in WA? What about insurance?

Sorry for the long post, just that after some inquiries, the fees to pay a broker to import it across to BC (cost going over 800+) seem a bit much when I've done most of the arrangement to bring it to WA.

Would have gladly paid someone less.

Thanks,

[scamit]

Imported an 2010 Lexus RX350 yesterday and had to pay 5% HST at the Canadian border and agent let me know i pay the rest 8% when i license the vehicle.

[rjmbc]

Hi Folks,

I am a complete newbie at this and am looking for some guidance.

Received a price for a 2011 vehicle that I want to purchase. I will wire the dealer the proceeds and then have a broker transport the vehicle up to Washington (used a friends US address). I want to try to see if i can import it myself from then on.

My question's are:
1) When asking the dealer to fax me the sale agreement before paying, is the fax copy of the Bill of sale ok for US customs or is the original required? is the Bill of sale the same as a title?

2) Can I have the dealer provide me the recall letter? With my name on the sale, will warranty in the US be covered (honda) What else should I ask for?

3) Do I have to find storage for 72 hours in WA? What about insurance?

Sorry for the long post, just that after some inquiries, the fees to pay a broker to import it across to BC (cost going over 800+) seem a bit much when I've done most of the arrangement to bring it to WA.

Would have gladly paid someone less.

Thanks,

1.Your require either the TITLE (which you will get if you register in the US) or the MSO/MCO which you can sometime get from the dealer. I suspect they (the dealer) will want to have the vehicle registered in the US and may insist on sending the MSO directly to the DMV. Bill of sale alone will not work.

2.Yes, however if it is a Honda product the RIV may well be able to provide what is required or alternatively you can get it off the Honda website.

3. Not if you time your arrival at the border correctly & since you are having it shipped that should not be a problem. Insurance can be obtained through ICBC. You also need an intransit sticker from WA. (better deal than from BC)

[ziploc]

US Customs only requires the title, not the bill of sale. I would suggest that you get proof of fax confirmation from the guy you are buying the car from, just in case there are any issues at the border, you don't want to be stuck there an extra 3 days. Or find out if there is a number that you can call after the fax has been sent, to confirm with customs that they received it.

wrong answer.....
for the bill of sale...it depends which crossing You're using.....some does some don't.....
here's an example from CBP web site:


Export Control 1515 East Service Road Champlain, NY 12919 Phone: (518) 298-8335 Contact Information: Vehicle Exports 0600-2200 hrs. Mon-Fri (closed weekends). Documents needed for vehicle exportation: Original certificate of title, 1 complete photocopy (front and back) of title and a copy of the bill of sale. 72 business hours (3 business days) wait prior for the export process. Faxed documents are not accepted.

[deals_addict]

How about the warranty if you are buying brand new Honda or Chevrolet from US, will dealers in Canada honors the warranty .... Thanks

[ziploc]

How about the warranty if you are buying brand new Honda or Chevrolet from US, will dealers in Canada honors the warranty .... Thanks

u better call the manufacturers (both US and Canada) by Yourself...it changes all the time..

Last info i had...

Honda===>no warranty

GM==> delayed warranty and I think the car have to be first registered in the US...

But I'm not really up to date on this one....

[Mr. Mayhew]

honda will have no warranty in canada, but we have extended warranties that can be used in a honda dealer. Honda will cover any recall work in canada though, and servicing is no issue.

GM doesnt need to be registered in the USA first, but there is a delay of 6 months in warranty coverage, which shouldnt pose an issue. I imported a customer a new 2010 suburban and he got a cd stuck in the dash 3 weeks later, and surprise surprise they covered it. guess its up to the dealers discretion.

[jzy]

Does anyone know if Subaru's warranty covers battery or not? Thanks!

[riffr aff]

Hi folks,

I know the answer is in this thread somewhere. I am in a bit of a rush for an answer as we are on the road tmrw, then off on the road again Monday to pick up our car in Victor NY from Van Bortel Subaru. I live in Ontario and have to deal w/ HST. SOOOOOOO excited.

I did read this thread - all 18,000 (? + ?) posts. But that was months back.

I'm not sure how to do an effective search given i'll get hundreds of hits on "tax".

So my question ...

When paying GST (portion of HST 5%) at the border, do I pay tax on the $USD price, or the equivalent $CAD (after conversion)?

When paying PST (portion of HST 8%) at the Ministry of Transportation, do I pay tax on the $USD price, or the equivalent $CAD (after conversion)?

Thanks a ton to whomever can get me this answer (hopefully in the next few hours).

(and I plan to fully detail my experience importing next week!)

Cheers,
Riff Raff (typo when registering haha)

[yyz2hkg]

Hi folks,

I know the answer is in this thread somewhere. I am in a bit of a rush for an answer as we are on the road tmrw, then off on the road again Monday to pick up our car in Victor NY from Van Bortel Subaru. I live in Ontario and have to deal w/ HST. SOOOOOOO excited.

I did read this thread - all 18,000 (? + ?) posts. But that was months back.

I'm not sure how to do an effective search given i'll get hundreds of hits on "tax".

So my question ...

When paying GST (portion of HST 5%) at the border, do I pay tax on the $USD price, or the equivalent $CAD (after conversion)?

When paying PST (portion of HST 8%) at the Ministry of Transportation, do I pay tax on the $USD price, or the equivalent $CAD (after conversion)?

Thanks a ton to whomever can get me this answer (hopefully in the next few hours).

(and I plan to fully detail my experience importing next week!)

Cheers,
Riff Raff (typo when registering haha)

Ok...looking back on when I did the purchase 4 yrs ago...the green form I got when paying duty at the border was converted into Canadian Dollars.


The MOT portion was also converted to CAD and then taxed.

[ziploc]

Hi folks,

I know the answer is in this thread somewhere. I am in a bit of a rush for an answer as we are on the road tmrw, then off on the road again Monday to pick up our car in Victor NY from Van Bortel Subaru. I live in Ontario and have to deal w/ HST. SOOOOOOO excited.

I did read this thread - all 18,000 (? + ?) posts. But that was months back.

I'm not sure how to do an effective search given i'll get hundreds of hits on "tax".

So my question ...

When paying GST (portion of HST 5%) at the border, do I pay tax on the $USD price, or the equivalent $CAD (after conversion)?

When paying PST (portion of HST 8%) at the Ministry of Transportation, do I pay tax on the $USD price, or the equivalent $CAD (after conversion)?

Thanks a ton to whomever can get me this answer (hopefully in the next few hours).

(and I plan to fully detail my experience importing next week!)

Cheers,
Riff Raff (typo when registering haha)

2 years back in Quebec province..

At the border Canadian Customs converted with the day's conversion rate the original price to CAD.....then apply the tax...

My vehicle bureau used the Canadian Customs (which is in CAD) bill for the calc of the tax....then no more fluctuations in conversion rate...

and If You don,t know the taxes are calculated on the top of each other...

[Monky]

How about the warranty if you are buying brand new Honda or Chevrolet from US, will dealers in Canada honors the warranty .... Thanks

No warranty in Canada. However, you can drive back to the US for warranty work. They will honour it. I had work done without any issues. Of course nothing in writing and can change anytime.

Recall work can be done in Canada. I guess Honda worries if they deny recall work and something happens, they may get themselves into a mess.

[turbot]

Is the waiver of depreciation available when insuring a new imported car? I searched the thread but couldn't find any references.

[Ctrl-Z]

I'm curious to know if Ford tries to restrict their US dealers from selling new vehicles to Canadians, similar to Toyota and possibly others? With Ford covering the warranty in Canada, it almost seems too easy to import one.

[BUGNUT]

I'm curious to know if Ford tries to restrict their US dealers from selling new vehicles to Canadians, similar to Toyota and possibly others? With Ford covering the warranty in Canada, it almost seems too easy to import one.

Ford is a little smarter than other mfr's. They will sell and warranty their cars/trucks no matter where you buy it. A SALE IS A SALE. Nice attitude. I'm looking at a Ranger Supercab in Buffalo, NY. In the US I can buy a Ranger Supercab with a 2.3l engine and 5 speed auto. In Toronto I can only get the 4.0l engine. I presently have a Ranger Supercab with the 4.0l engine and am only getting 20l/100km. It just costs to much to run! I want a Ranger Supercab just like my old '95. It had a nice little 4 banger.

[shopper-X]

Does anyone know if Subaru's warranty covers battery or not? Thanks!

Yes it does, just had mine replaced. Came with 450 CCA and got a 650 CCA as a replacement. The dealer will have to do a battery stress test (load and crank) to verify it's bad.

From your signature you have a 2008 so here is the link to the 2008 Subaru Warranty (https://www.subaru.com/my-subaru/warranties-2008.html) page.

To all US Subaru vehicle owners, wear items are covered for 3 years. Just make sure the dealer replaces with Subaru replacement grade and not premium grade items.


Wear Item Limited Warranty
Wear item coverage is 3 year or 36,000 miles, whichever comes first. Items covered are brake pad/shoe linings, clutch linings, and wiper blades.

[vinny888]

No warranty in Canada. However, you can drive back to the US for warranty work. They will honour it. I had work done without any issues. Of course nothing in writing and can change anytime.

Recall work can be done in Canada. I guess Honda worries if they deny recall work and something happens, they may get themselves into a mess.


I just called Honda USA last week, they said once a US vehicle is registered in Canada ALL warranty is voided both in Canada + USA

Yes any recalls would be covered

[smacd]

Is the waiver of depreciation available when insuring a new imported car? I searched the thread but couldn't find any references.

In BC, I had the option of insuring for either full replacement value, ie, the insurance company will allow you to go to a dealer and order your car brand new with the same options as the one that is replaced, or to insure it for Canadian book value, ie, the value in Canada of the car lost at the time of the loss. We chose the latter, saving approximately $100 per year on premiums this year and $150 next year. The clerk was shocked. She said nobody declines this replacement value coverage.

My rational is, in 35 years of driving, neither my wife nor I have had a serious accident, certainly never to the point of writing off a vehicle (we've never even had a collision claim). Also, with the $10,000 savings on my vehicle, if it was written off tomorrow, or next year, I'd simply take the Canadian value of the car, and go buy another in the USA and probably have money left over.

[Ctrl-Z]

Ford is a little smarter than other mfr's. They will sell and warranty their cars/trucks no matter where you buy it. A SALE IS A SALE. Nice attitude. I'm looking at a Ranger Supercab in Buffalo, NY. In the US I can buy a Ranger Supercab with a 2.3l engine and 5 speed auto. In Toronto I can only get the 4.0l engine. I presently have a Ranger Supercab with the 4.0l engine and am only getting 20l/100km. It just costs to much to run! I want a Ranger Supercab just like my old '95. It had a nice little 4 banger.

Ford does seem to play a lot fairer than the others. My incentive to buy in the US is more than just cost savings. Canadian vehicles have many Ford Sync features disabled and Ford Canada doesn't even bother to provide an explanation as to why. The myford touch technology in some 2011 models is the main reason why I want to buy one and I'd find it plenty frustrating not to be able to use the full feature set. A ford with a US VIN is therefore really appealing.

[dutchca]

Anyone care to share the name/contact info of a Canadian friendly Ford or GM dealership in the Buffalo/Rochester/Syracuse area?

Looking to get pricing on full-size F150 or Sierra, crew cab.

Is there a definitive answer on whether Ford or GM honour warranties in Canada on US bought vehicles? I couldn't find the answer through search.

Thanks.

[careener]

van bortel ford

[Monky]

I just called Honda USA last week, they said once a US vehicle is registered in Canada ALL warranty is voided both in Canada + USA

Yes any recalls would be covered

Yup, exactly what they told me before I bought my Honda. However, I was able to get work done last Oct 09. I bought the car Jun 08. I even bought the 3rd party warranty up here when I bought the car.

They may have changed it now but will try again on our next trip south. I keep wonder if they change their mind b/c of the exchange rate which is in our favor now.

[oil_99]

Is there anyone from Alberta that has taken advantage of this?

We will be looking at a mid-size SUV over the next few months (likely used) and in looking some of the dealers in WA, MT, and even PHX where the economy is in the toilet, I am not really seeing any screaming deals... at least none that justify the paperwork and/or process.

We are looking at the Santa Fe, Sorrento, Highlander and Pilot (moreso the first two)

Anyone that can provide some insight would love to hear your perspective.

[bobcat99]

Anyone purchased a Malibu from a dealer in the Buffalo area.
I understand GM will cover the warranty in Canada if the car has been on the road for 6 months+.

[smacd]

Is there anyone from Alberta that has taken advantage of this?

We will be looking at a mid-size SUV over the next few months (likely used) and in looking some of the dealers in WA, MT, and even PHX where the economy is in the toilet, I am not really seeing any screaming deals... at least none that justify the paperwork and/or process.

We are looking at the Santa Fe, Sorrento, Highlander and Pilot (moreso the first two)

Anyone that can provide some insight would love to hear your perspective.

Hyundai Canada won't honour warranty if that's a concern. Toyota will and dealers will sell used. http://www.kalispelltoyota.com/used-inventory/index.htm?SByear=clear&SBmake=Toyota&SBmodel=Highlander&SBbodystyle=clear&SBprice=clear

Good prices from these guys.

[hordosr]

anybody have any good deals with campers, looking at getting a pull type ultralight and wonder if they are cheaper down in the US than in Canada
Thanks!

[marcopoloca]

yes i want to get a fiesta or mustang from buffalo too, any one with information?





Anyone care to share the name/contact info of a Canadian friendly Ford or GM dealership in the Buffalo/Rochester/Syracuse area?

Looking to get pricing on full-size F150 or Sierra, crew cab.

Is there a definitive answer on whether Ford or GM honour warranties in Canada on US bought vehicles? I couldn't find the answer through search.

Thanks.

[FTA_FTW]

Looking at getting a 2010 Audi A4. Anyone know of a dealer in michigan or buffalo area that they can recommend me to? Thanks!

[jzy]

Yes it does, just had mine replaced. Came with 450 CCA and got a 650 CCA as a replacement. The dealer will have to do a battery stress test (load and crank) to verify it's bad.

From your signature you have a 2008 so here is the link to the 2008 Subaru Warranty (https://www.subaru.com/my-subaru/warranties-2008.html) page.

To all US Subaru vehicle owners, wear items are covered for 3 years. Just make sure the dealer replaces with Subaru replacement grade and not premium grade items.

Thank you very much for your reply!:)

What year is your Subaru? You're right that mine is 2008, and I only have 15,000 miles on it, thus I'm very curious and a bit concerned that the battery is dying so fast.

[jzy]

Looking at getting a 2010 Audi A4. Anyone know of a dealer in michigan or buffalo area that they can recommend me to? Thanks!

I'm looking for the same. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[dvdrsi]

US Customs only requires the title, not the bill of sale. I would suggest that you get proof of fax confirmation from the guy you are buying the car from, just in case there are any issues at the border, you don't want to be stuck there an extra 3 days. Or find out if there is a number that you can call after the fax has been sent, to confirm with customs that they received it.

Thanks a lot...I was hearing mixed answers that they required the bill of sale as well. I just faxed them the certificate of title (ownership). Do they also require the back filled out with the sellers signature and everything filled out? Or just the front portion?

[shopper-X]

Thank you very much for your reply!:)

What year is your Subaru? You're right that mine is 2008, and I only have 15,000 miles on it, thus I'm very curious and a bit concerned that the battery is dying so fast.

2007 Tribeca w/13k miles and warranty expiring next month under the 3yr clause :(.
Explain that you are concerned about the battery and do not hint that it's covered. If they want to pull a fast one in an attempt to sell you a new one, tell them it's covered via the USA warranty.

[jzy]

2007 Tribeca w/13k miles and warranty expiring next month under the 3yr clause :(.
Explain that you are concerned about the battery and do not hint that it's covered. If they want to pull a fast one in an attempt to sell you a new one, tell them it's covered via the USA warranty.

Thanks for the tip! Since my subaru is 2008, I will have to pay first and reimburse later.

Not sure if any other Subaru owners have had battery problems. I wonder if Subaru decided to cheap out on the stock battery.

[dracore]

I took my Acura to a dealership in Niagara Falls/Buffalo, NY about 2 weeks ago and they had no problems with warranty. I only had to provide a US address.

I would think that the exact same warranty rules apply to Honda vehicles as well.


Yup, exactly what they told me before I bought my Honda. However, I was able to get work done last Oct 09. I bought the car Jun 08. I even bought the 3rd party warranty up here when I bought the car.

They may have changed it now but will try again on our next trip south. I keep wonder if they change their mind b/c of the exchange rate which is in our favor now.

[FTA_FTW]

I'm looking for the same. Any help would be greatly appreciated!


Looking at getting a 2010 Audi A4. Anyone know of a dealer in michigan or buffalo area that they can recommend me to? Thanks!


Any help?

[oil_99]

Hyundai Canada won't honour warranty if that's a concern. Toyota will and dealers will sell used. http://www.kalispelltoyota.com/used-inventory/index.htm?SByear=clear&SBmake=Toyota&SBmodel=Highlander&SBbodystyle=clear&SBprice=clear

Good prices from these guys.

Absolutely terrific information - already notice a huge difference! Thank you!

[bkushner]

anyone know anyone in Calgary who can reprogram a toyota display to metric?

[rjmbc]

anyone know anyone in Calgary who can reprogram a toyota display to metric?

If you are talking about the MFD on a Highlander, I have the instructions on what to do (actually what to tell the dealer to do). Any other Toyota, I can tell you how to find out using the TIS but you need a US Credit Card & mailing address. (Not for me to tell you, but for you to access the TIS system)

PM me if you need the information.

[drayog]

Looking to buy a new or couple year old Toyota Tundra or Nissan Titan out of the Northwest US. Does anyone have any suggestions on Toyota / Nissan Dealers to deal with in the Wash/Idaho/Montana/Oregon areas.
Thanks

[Kingmoo]

If I get a new Toyota (through an uncle) from Kalispel, will I have any trouble transferring the warranty through him to me?

[marklin]

Just got off the phone with both Pfaff Porsche and Downtown Porsche to confirm this. As of January 18th, Porsche Canada has now changed their policy from $1200 for a recall letter to $500 which includes Car Proof report, recall letter, safety and daytime running light activation. This is great news and I can only hope that other manufacturers realize that they cannot bend their customers over and get away with it.

Anyone imported Porsche recently? I don't know if the info above still stands, but I've read from other forums that you can actually obtain the recall letter directly from the US dealer without any cost (or very little)!!

Am considering importing a Cayenne, just wondering if it's too much trouble going through the recall letter/DRL/duty and still save substantially. Any info will be much appreciated.

[jordanzhang]

We've decided on a Toyota Sienna, Can someone PM me a Toyota dealer in Northeast States?.

[shopper-X]

If I get a new Toyota (through an uncle) from Kalispel, will I have any trouble transferring the warranty through him to me?

Toyota honours the warranty from day 1 so no, you will not have issues. Just watch out for state tax if using your uncle to purchase.

[michelb]

We've decided on a Toyota Sienna, Can someone PM me a Toyota dealer in Northeast States?.

If you are looking at new, you will likely not find a Toyota dealer anywhere in the US that will sell to Canadians. You're best bet is to go through a broker.

[asingh70]

Thinking to import Infinity FX 35 and talking to dealer in Arizona. Does any one deal with dealer in Arizona called "infinitiofscottsdale"

Thanks
Anil

[michelb]

Anyone imported Porsche recently? I don't know if the info above still stands, but I've read from other forums that you can actually obtain the recall letter directly from the US dealer without any cost (or very little)!!

Am considering importing a Cayenne, just wondering if it's too much trouble going through the recall letter/DRL/duty and still save substantially. Any info will be much appreciated.

From other forums, it looks like they are still accepting letters from US dealerships for the recall clearance. If it was me, I'd check with RIV first and also check with Porsche Canada to make sure they'll still honour the warranty if you don't go through their $500 program.

As far as the savings, you'll have to figure that out for yourself.

[michelb]

Thinking to import Infinity FX 35 and talking to dealer in Arizona. Does any one deal with dealer in Arizona called "infinitiofscottsdale"

Thanks
Anil

One thing to keep in mind / confirm if you are buying from AZ is that I believe I read somewhere that AZ might charge you tax now unless you have the vehicle shipped out of state (like CA and FL). (In AZ though, it might not apply if vehicle is for export)

[JPTN]

Anyone imported Porsche recently? I don't know if the info above still stands, but I've read from other forums that you can actually obtain the recall letter directly from the US dealer without any cost (or very little)!!

Am considering importing a Cayenne, just wondering if it's too much trouble going through the recall letter/DRL/duty and still save substantially. Any info will be much appreciated.Porsche's "vehicle inquiry report" from their internal network (printout) is still accepted by the RIV.

All that needs to be changed are the daytime running lights, which an independent Porsche/European garage can do. Save yourself the $500 from Pfaff.

[Sloan55]

Anyone imported Porsche recently? I don't know if the info above still stands, but I've read from other forums that you can actually obtain the recall letter directly from the US dealer without any cost (or very little)!!

Am considering importing a Cayenne, just wondering if it's too much trouble going through the recall letter/DRL/duty and still save substantially. Any info will be much appreciated.

This policy is still in effect and as far as I understand it, if you do NOT bring it to a Porsche dealer to have these things done, your warranty will NOT be effected. You can get the recall letter from a US Porsche dealer but it has to be supplemented with a service computer printout (RIV will not accept the recall letter on it's own). You can have the DRL's turned on at the selling dealer as well.

Pfaff Porsche told me that the main reason for having the vehicle brought to them was so that they can update their system with all the new owner's information. If you don't bring it to them as part of the import process, then have a warranty issue, they said that it might take a bit longer to have your vehicle serviced as they have to take the time to enter all the information information in the computer.

[smacd]

Toyota honours the warranty from day 1 so no, you will not have issues. Just watch out for state tax if using your uncle to purchase.

Montana has no sales tax, so that should be no problem.

[rjmbc]

Montana has no sales tax, so that should be no problem.

However it may take 3-6 weeks to get the Original Title, without which you can not import (actually export).

[sienna owner]

If you are looking at new, you will likely not find a Toyota dealer anywhere in the US that will sell to Canadians. You're best bet is to go through a broker.

not true...just have to look deeper.

[VertigoM]

Does anyone know how the whole HST thing works?

Are they charging the full 13% HST at the border now? And does that mean when I register my vehicle at the MTO no taxes will need to be paid?

[Sloan55]

Does anyone know how the whole HST thing works?

Are they charging the full 13% HST at the border now? And does that mean when I register my vehicle at the MTO no taxes will need to be paid?


FYI guys, regarding the HST issue. We are in the process of bringing in an Audi TT for a customer. We paid 5% HST at the border and had to pay the remaining 8% HST at the license bureau. The license bureau actually had to over ride their system so it didn't charge 13% when they were processing our case.

See above

[Monsieurmaggot]

So now it's time for monsieurmaggot to purchase another vehicle.

I have begun the process of emailing local Toronto dealers BEFORE I go to the US (AGAIN!). I'm planning to purchase exclusively online (AGAIN!) and will only go to the dealership to close the deal (AGAIN!)

With the dollar so close to par, I'm curious to see how close the pricing will be and if the Canadian stealerships have learned to be more aggressive in their marketing.

Here's the scoop:

I know dealers snoop this thread repeatedly. Those who read this already received my email. I've emailed about a dozen local GM dealers.

I'm pricing a 2010 Acadia, Equinox or Terrain.
The only options I really care about is that it will be two-wheel drive and have a six-cylinder.

I expect very few dealers to respond to my email. That will be strike one. I see that four have already read my email request.

They will ask that I "come in" blah blah blah....

Stay tuned for the process...

[veritazz]

So now it's time for monsieurmaggot to purchase another vehicle.

I have begun the process of emailing local Toronto dealers BEFORE I go to the US (AGAIN!). I'm planning to purchase exclusively online (AGAIN!) and will only go to the dealership to close the deal (AGAIN!)

With the dollar so close to par, I'm curious to see how close the pricing will be and if the Canadian stealerships have learned to be more aggressive in their marketing.

Here's the scoop:

I know dealers snoop this thread repeatedly. Those who read this already received my email. I've emailed about a dozen local GM dealers.

I'm pricing a 2010 Acadia, Equinox or Terrain.
The only options I really care about is that it will be two-wheel drive and have a six-cylinder.

I expect very few dealers to respond to my email. That will be strike one. I see that four have already read my email request.

They will ask that I "come in" blah blah blah....

Stay tuned for the process...

Thanks Monsieurmaggot !!!!. Awesome thread with tonnes of Info. Also thanks to EVERYONE ELSE too who has contributed their experiences and information with everyone.

Monsieurmaggot, we will be waiting for your process info.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I actually got some responses from dealers in the Toronto area!

They are ALL OVER THE PLACE with their pricing. It's a good measure of who's actually serious.

I've been invited to "stop in" to get a great deal. Others would like me to "call in". I never did either buying in the US. I was given a firm price that was within a couple of hundred buck from each other.

In Canada I've been quoted anywhere from $32k to $37k for essentially the same vehicle.

I am looking for a 2010 Acadian SLE with leather, FWD and a V6. Some guys say leather isn't available while others say it is (with the SLE trim level).

A few US dealers have also responded but say they can't "technically" sell me a GM. <wink>. I was told that if I want a "demo." they might be able to swing me a deal. The demo. would have less than 100 miles on the odometer (it's Imperial measurement so it's no odometre LOL).

More later...

[HP_John]

So now it's time for monsieurmaggot to purchase another vehicle.

I have begun the process of emailing local Toronto dealers BEFORE I go to the US (AGAIN!). I'm planning to purchase exclusively online (AGAIN!) and will only go to the dealership to close the deal (AGAIN!)

With the dollar so close to par, I'm curious to see how close the pricing will be and if the Canadian stealerships have learned to be more aggressive in their marketing.

Here's the scoop:

I know dealers snoop this thread repeatedly. Those who read this already received my email. I've emailed about a dozen local GM dealers.

I'm pricing a 2010 Acadia, Equinox or Terrain.
The only options I really care about is that it will be two-wheel drive and have a six-cylinder.

I expect very few dealers to respond to my email. That will be strike one. I see that four have already read my email request.

They will ask that I "come in" blah blah blah....

Stay tuned for the process...

Cdn dealers can't be anywhere nearly as good as US dealers in prices, GM sells them the cars for much more than US dealers pay for the exact same cars, so how can they be expected to sell anywhere near what US dealers sell for. I agree that many Cdn dealers come up with lame excuses about how Cdn cars are special, but really, you can't expect them to say "sorry our prices are more, please just buy in the US". It's their living, & they have to somehow try to convince people to buy in Canada even though it doesn't really make sense to buy Cdn if the price difference is big.

[zircon]

See above

Interested in the TT you are bringing in. How is it equipped?

I imported a certified 08 TT in July 2008 with 10K miles. I have had one problem thus far - a fuel pump that resulted in subsequent problems when the Canadian dealer broke another part installing the new fuel pump (under warranty). It is a great driver's car though space is limited. Compared to my wife's Lexus Rx400H - also imported, the leather and materials are much nicer. My car is FWD, 2L turbo direct inject. All possible options. Great city fuel economy and teriffic power when needed.

[zircon]

I actually got some responses from dealers in the Toronto area!

They are ALL OVER THE PLACE with their pricing. It's a good measure of who's actually serious.

I've been invited to "stop in" to get a great deal. Others would like me to "call in". I never did either buying in the US. I was given a firm price that was within a couple of hundred buck from each other.

In Canada I've been quoted anywhere from $32k to $37k for essentially the same vehicle.

I am looking for a 2010 Acadian SLE with leather, FWD and a V6. Some guys say leather isn't available while others say it is (with the SLE trim level).

A few US dealers have also responded but say they can't "technically" sell me a GM. <wink>. I was told that if I want a "demo." they might be able to swing me a deal. The demo. would have less than 100 miles on the odometer (it's Imperial measurement so it's no odometre LOL).

More later...

Maggot...this storyline is going to get very interesting IMHO. I suspect you will still get a price 30% under Canada in the states, especially if you take a 'demo' vehicle. Cash talks much better in the USA than here. The Equinox is very nice looking, Acadia is a step up, isn't it? I thought the Terrain and Equinox we virtualy idential cars (same platform) and Acadia is on a different (higher end) platform. In any event, good luck and keep the masses informed.

[cdwalkman]

not true...just have to look deeper.

Would you care to elaborate? I'm in the market for a new Toyota Rav4 from the Eastern US (preferably - I'm in Ottawa), and have had no luck so far finding a dealer who will sell to me. If you can point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it!

[riffr aff]

So now it's time for monsieurmaggot to purchase another vehicle.

I have begun the process of emailing local Toronto dealers BEFORE I go to the US (AGAIN!). I'm planning to purchase exclusively online (AGAIN!) and will only go to the dealership to close the deal (AGAIN!)

With the dollar so close to par, I'm curious to see how close the pricing will be and if the Canadian stealerships have learned to be more aggressive in their marketing.

Here's the scoop:

I know dealers snoop this thread repeatedly. Those who read this already received my email. I've emailed about a dozen local GM dealers.

I'm pricing a 2010 Acadia, Equinox or Terrain.
The only options I really care about is that it will be two-wheel drive and have a six-cylinder.

I expect very few dealers to respond to my email. That will be strike one. I see that four have already read my email request.

They will ask that I "come in" blah blah blah....

Stay tuned for the process...

why a GM?

tonight I will get my new Outback passed @ CDN Tire, then Friday get it registered. I will fully detail my Monday car buying experience in this thread.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I'm actually buying it on behalf of my cousin. It won't be my personal vehicle.

He knows I like the challenge and it's amazing to see the sales tactics haven't changed here in Canada.

My cousin is a retired mechanic. He likes knowing that GMs will always break down and working on them will keep him sharp <kidding>. Apparently the 3.6 is one of the better engines that GM offers and are easy to work on.

As far as the sales hunt goes:

GM's online site says the Acadia SLE doesn't come with leather.
The customer service person at the GM "800" number says leather on the SLE IS available.

Some GTA dealers try to upsell me on the SLT (which has leather standard) while others have given me stock numbers of SLE units with leather.

Seems like the dealers themselves don't know what is available OR I'm getting the old "bait and switch" line. When I show up to see the SLE, I will be told "darn, we just sold it - look I have an SLT for you to see".

The price quotes I've received for a base Acadia SLE with leather ranges from $39,250 to $39.879 all inclusive (Ontario). Mind you, that's via email.

For me, it will be a make or break opportunity for the Canadian dealers on so many fronts. Will they truly offer me this price and do they really have a SLE with leather as they claim?

I'm waiting to hear back from two US dealers (I wonder where they are) who are getting me some quotes on SLEs with leather. There is a $1100US dealer holdback that they've told me about and the model comes with a $2000 cashback which they can't confirm they can honour. Even after they know I am Canadian, I am told "we'll get you the vehicle". I was told that it really depends on the vehicle (and I assumed their margins). There is a SL model in the US that does not have leather.

PDI in the US is $775. It's $1350 in Canada! (WTF?). At this point if the cashback is honoured, I expect the US pricing to come in at around $30,200US which approaches $32,000 Canadian. Without the cashback, and assuming I can get an SLE with leather, the price is the same in Canada.

While I'm a big proponent to buy in the US, it's looking like the savings when buying a year-end closeout 2010 Acadia in the US aren't there. The 2011s are out and those prices are crazy compared to those down south.

Just like Toyota, GM dealers in the US do sell to Canadians. Just not publicly. You just need to find them.

[knuckle05]

@MonsieurMaggot - Can you share which US dealers you've had some progress with? I'm looking at importing a GM also.

Thx!

[chrisuoft]

any news on the BMW issue? I know that we can get the car in with a printout of BMWs centralized Warranty Vehicle Inquiry report, available to all authorized BMW dealers will, by it’s very nature, indicate if recalls have been rectified and as such be accepted by the RIV as equivalent to a Recall Clearance Letter. However what I can't find out is whether the warranty service will be valid without going through a BMW Canadian dealership to get the letter, or if they are still requiring the clusters to be replaced?

[siwen66]

why a GM?

tonight I will get my new Outback passed @ CDN Tire, then Friday get it registered. I will fully detail my Monday car buying experience in this thread.

Thanks...

[topvista]

RJMBC, thank you very much for your advice on temporary insurance.

[ambajay]

I have spent days reading through this thread, from the beginning with Monsieurmaggot’s first to page 1250. I have learnt a lot from everyone of you who had posted. THANK YOU! Yes, I am thinking of importing a 2010/2011 Toyota Highlander in the very near future. I live on Vancouver Island. If any of you have imported a Toyota recently through Blaine, WA, please PM me with your experience It’s greatly appreciated if you could name some Canadian friendly dealerships in the Northwest States.

[jabomb]

Do most of you find a vehicle on the internet, then pay for a vehicle inspection and carfax BEFORE driving down to actually test drive the vehicle? Or do you drive down, find a car you like, then get a vehicle inspection before returning later to seal the deal?

I don't own a car and would like to avoid going down twice. Just curious about most buyers step process.


Also anybody ever deal with Giuffre Hyundai out of Brooklyn NY? The prices seem suspiciously low. May not be the right "red flag" deal I'm looking for


http://www.giuffrehyundai.com/

[shopper-X]

Pretty sure Subaru will not be offering in-car Wifi in Canada but they will be for the US model 2011 Outbacks.

2011 Subaru Outback gains in-car WiFi option. (http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/2011-subaru-outback-gains-in-car-wifi-option-strange-maine-bird/)

[Albertan]

Hi everyone,

Looking at a Mercedes for family in Toronto. How is the process for Mercedes now? Does it still require thousands in changes to the instrument cluster and HVAC by a Canadian dealer before your warranty is honored?

[smacd]

Hi everyone,

Looking at a Mercedes for family in Toronto. How is the process for Mercedes now? Does it still require thousands in changes to the instrument cluster and HVAC by a Canadian dealer before your warranty is honored?

Now that the Audi's sitting in the driveway, relatives and friends are much more interested in the process, aren't they?:D:D

[TongyongUser]

I'm planning to buy a Subaru Forester, so I spent a few hours comparing the features of simliar CA and US models. Below is my findings.
If you happen to know more differences than I've found, please add them to the list. I hope this can be helpful for people who wish to get a good deal from US.

Trims compared:
Subaru Forester Touring Package (B.C., Canada) (http://www.subaru.ca/WebPage.aspx?WebPageID=13699&WebSiteID=282&CarID=410) V.S. 2010 Subaru Forester 2.5X Premium w/All-Weather Pkg in WA,US.

General findings:
Both share 95% features.
Touring Package has 5 features that Premium does not have, but Premium has one big feature of which the value is greater.

Detailed differences:
Touring has the following items missing in Premium:
1. IRIUS® Satellite Radio: US$429
2. Cargo tray: US$75
3. Fog Lights: US$374
4. Splash guards: US$100
5. Telescoping steering wheel: N/A for Premium

Premium has this item missing in Touring:
1. 17'' Wheels Alloy: CAD$1,829.40

Estimated Prices (all included):
Suppose both have the same features (not true though, because Premium can not have telescopic steering):
Touring: CAD$36,200
Premium: CAD$30,500.

I appreciate if you can comment on my above findings.
Thanks!

[riffr aff]

It was time for a new car. We own a beautiful 3 yr old Newfoundland dog, Freya. Our '02 4 door Hyundai Accent meant Freya took the back seat, and our 300 L trunk had to accomodate the rest of our storage. Our hunt started in Dec 2009. Almost bought a used 2006 Ford Focus via private sale. Decided against that and started looking @ new cars. I asked around on RFD in the Automotive forum. I analyzed quite a few wagons and CUVs. We came close to paying for a 2WD CR-V EX (for about $32,000), and then I decided to read this thread - as suggested by some people who posted in my CUV thread. The prospect of buying a loaded Outback for about the same $$$ is an RFDer's dream.

We wanted an Outback, but the base model @ our local dealership was going to cost us $32,000. The Limited was a whopping $42,000. I do hate the freight + delivery - total rip off IMO. Yes, I paid delivery in the US, but it was about 50% of what we pay in Canada.

We wanted the Limited. We didn't want a moonroof or NAV. Those cost about $1800 in the US as options. The front underguard, wood trim, and leather are nice - but we didn't care about them much. The Harmon Karmon stereo is NICE, and from what i've read on the Outback forum, the non-HK factory stereo sucks. We also wanted the power passenger side seats, which are not available w/ the Premium or Base models. Most importantly, we wanted the dual zone temperature/climate feature as my wife and I differ when it comes to heat and A/C. We also orders mud flaps, rear bumper protector, rear cargo net,

I emailed Karl @ VanBortel a slew of times. He was great. I highly recommend working your deal via Karl @ VanBortel if you can get toe NW NY State to buy your car. Also, they sell for invoice. You might be able to get lower from them, but I was content w/ invoice (car + accessories).

I started doing the math. I figured I could get this car for $31,000 if I got my CDN at par. We didn't get it at par, we paid a bit more, but we did pick the right time about 3 weeks ago when the loonie was stronger.

We were slated to get a 2010 Outback, but those got increasingly difficult to order (our first request was not met for the May 1 delivery). Karl suggested we get a 2011 instead. Might have to wait a bit longer, but it's a newer vehicle. Our order was placed when SOA announced the production start date (mid June I think). We then learned our order had been filled. Karl also honoured the 2010 quote he gave me on both the car and accessories. The 2011 is about $300 more. He also gave me accessories @ the Premium price, not Limited - for some reason they differ.

We arranged to pick the car up Monday, July 12th at 11am. Originally we were hoping to use the Thousand Islands bridge to export, but Karl informed us that this port of entry has different rules than does the Lewiston Bridge near Buffalo. Basically, Thousand Islands requires the ORIGINAL title - signed whereas Lewiston only requires a faxed unsigned copy. Title won't get released until you pay for the car, so the only way to use the Thousand Island entry was to wait an additional 72 hrs (and another trip!). Forget that. Same state, different rules. Peculiar.

My father had offered to help me get to NY to ick the car up. My wife is 1/2 Dutch, so we decided to drive to Kingston to watch the Dutch play Spain in the World Cup final on Sunday the 11th. My wife doesn't get vacation time where we work so I needed to either take a bus, plane or drive down w/ my father. I'm not in the GTA, so getting to a plane or bus was going to be a pain. My Dad had offered to drive 2+ hrs to my house, then the 6 or so to Buffalo, then 6 hrs back to where I live, then 2 to his place. He just had his knee replaced 3 months ago, so I thought this was silly. So we headed to his place on the Sunday and my wife drove home after the soccer match. It sucks that Holland lost.

My father and I embarked on our adventure @ 6:55am Monday morning. Fun stuff as my dad drives a 1987 (yes, you read that right) Honda Civic (has about 120,000 km on it - my grandmothers old car). It was hot, as all of Ontario has been for a month. Our drive was uneventful. We paid a toll to cross the bridge, and it took about 10 minutes to get through the US border. My appointment @ Van Bortel was for 11am - we arrived at 10:59am! Great timing. One note - NY State police don't put up with speeding. We saw a half dozen pulled over cars - so watch your speed. 5-7 mph over won't get you in trouble, but I wouldn't risk more than that. Also, the I-90 is a toll highway, so I paid for the toll when we got off of it @ Victor NY. So remember to bring US funds! To buy food, gas, tolls. They don't take a CC at the toll booths! I forgot to get some and had to take an ATM hit to make a withdrawl.

It took about 40 minutes to do the paperwork and take a look at the car. Everything was in order and the Van Bortel staff were awesome. They provided free drinks (water, pop, coffee) and snacks which were welcoming after a long drive. The staff provided the paperwork in organized groups - those I needed for my records and those for the import office. They also provided a map that had instructions on it for when I got to the US border (to do the export). Very handy.

My Dad and I departed in our separate directions. I drove about an hour and was pretty hungry, so I pulled over at a rest stop and bought/downed a Big Mac, my first in years! I continued on and paid another toll when I got to the next exit/highway. It was an odd drive only in that I wasn't used to the size of the Outback compared to my 2002 Accent. There was a lot of construction, including on the bridges over Niagra - so the lanes were narrower than usual, but I managed it. It's just driving afterall. I paid one more bridge toll getting back into Canada.

When I hit US Customs I used my handy maps from Van Bortel to get myself to the right building. In under 10 minutes I was on my way to the Canadian border. There were 3 cars ahead of mine trying to get processed, so it took about 7-8 minutes for my turn. It took about 10 minutes for the border agent to get info from me about the import. I'm not totally sure how many questions were required and which he had for his own informational purposes! He was impressed with my new green Outback tho! After he was done checking my papers I drove to the Import office. It took me under 20 minutes to fill out the Form 1 and for the officer to process the paperwork. Another 5 minutes to pay for the A/C tax + GST.

I then drove home! I took the 407. We'll see if the cameras were able to read the temp paper licence in the window. That will be an additional cost if they can. An OPP officer pulled up beside me and slowed - obviously checking the temp licence. I didn't get pulled over, which was nice. So I kept driving to Peterborough. I got home around 5:45 pm.

On Tuesday of last week the mechanics who maintain my Accent offered to buy it from me for $2200, and they'd handle the safety, work that needed done (if any) and the emissions test. I was hoping to sell it for $2500 but that would include safety/emissions - and the potential of having to fix up things. So a good deal for us IMO (and it covered our PST on the new car!). I also wouldn't have to deal w/ showing the car, no shows and haggling. Lastly, I was able to transfer my old plates to the new car - so no need to buy more.

On the Tuesday I also downloaded my Form 2 from RIV. (if you give them your email you can forgo snail-mail and get a PDF version to print).

Wednesday I took the car to Canadian Tire after dinner, but I was unable to get the inspection done on the spot - so I booked for Thursday after work to get the inspection done. Thursday I took the car in and it took them 1 hour to inspect it for RIV and get the safety/emissions done. The one thing I was not prepared for was the safety/emissions which HAS to be done if a car is brought into Ontario - even if it's brand new. So a bit of extra cost I was not expecting.
** edit: see 2 posts down

Friday I went to MTO with all of my paper work and spent about 15 minutes registering our new Outback. This went smoothly and I went home and attached my old plates to our new car.

So that's it! Easy as pie. One vacation day used, some extra expenses (gas, lunch, tolls, safety/emissions) but still, mega savings vs buying at our local dealership.

~~~~~~~~~~

Here are the numbers:

Invoice: $27,293
invoice (MSRP in brackets)
$26270 invoice for car ($27995)
$695 destination fee
$309 for PZEV
-$300 VanBortel discount
$52 - rear bumper cover ($80)
$84 - splash guards ($129)
$34 - rear cargo net ($52)
$39 - all weather mats ($69)

Assessed price (in CDN for taxation purposes): $28,288 (this value is done @ the border based on the exchange rate that day)
$1,514.42 (GST + AC)
$2273.05 PST

$220.35 RIV

USD Exchange hit: $1,037.89
Rate: 1.0380

Toll CDN: $7
Toll US: ~$10.00 CDN
Big Mac: $3.94 (lunch)

Dad's gas: $29
Hyundai gas: $30

Vehicle Safety + Clean Air Test: $132.21
Vehicle Registration: $0

SubTotal: 32550.86
-$300 for 2010 price
- $44 for Premium priced accessories
TOTAL: 32206.86 (give or take - exchange rate not included on these last discounts)

SUBARU.CA BUILD

$36,371.75 (accessories + msrp)


TOTAL: 36,371.75 + 1725 destination
= 37896.75

HST: $4870.60 *** according to subaru on line pricing

CDN + TAX: 42823.33

CDN Price = $42,823.33
CDN Adjusted* = $41,615.33 (less moonroof and nav which are $1658 worth of options @ Van Bortel)
USD Price = $32,206.86

if we'd bought our USD back when we were at par we would have paid even less - at par, the total cost for this car would have been:

$31,512,97

we paid 77.4% of the CDN price.

(would have been 75.7% if we'd gotten our USD at parity)

[wackojacko]

Vehicle Safety + Clean Air Test: $132.21


Get your money back, safety and air clean test not required on a new car even an imported one. CT scamed you.

[riffr aff]

Get your money back, safety and air clean test not required on a new car even an imported one. CT scamed you.

I called MTO on the spot and was informed that cars brought into Ontario from out of province or country required safety and air clean - the CDN tire guy even suggested calling them was in my best interest.

edit: at the MTO they also asked for the e-test and safety. Seems this stuff is mandatory in Ontario. But be sure, i'll double check tmrw!

http://www.importcarcanada.com/main/index.php?page=7

"9. In Ontario you will have to carry out a safety inspection and a vehicle emission inspection."
(the car is not new as I have driven it ...)

http://www.clubtouareg.com/forums/f55/how-to-import-a-touareg-from-usa-to-canada-33980.html
"You must get an emmisions test (varies by province) and a safety test (again, varies by province). In ontario these cost me approx $100.00"

http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?35494-Guidelines-for-importing-your-vehicle-to-Canada&p=523244
Once you have both Form #1 & #2, go to the local Canadian Tire (authorized to do inspections for the RIV) and they will do the federal inspection. It is included in the $200 fee you paid. You will also need a Provincial safety check ($89.95) at Canadian Tire) and an emissions test ($39.95)
******* that is a GREAT post about importing btw! way better than mine!

[rgc97]

You were talking to people who didn't understand the difference between a first registration and a re-registration. First time I imported (2007) the MTO person asked for these, but I pointed out it was the first registration (I had the MSO as proof). A senior person came over and helped the junior person.

My next registration was this past March (a Van Bortel Subi). People at the registration office understood the process. Ditto for CTC -- both times it took me less than 30 minutes, and they just did a walk-around.

Sounds like there aren't many imports in Peterborough. In KW, they are used to the process.


I called MTO on the spot and was informed that cars brought into Ontario from out of province or country required safety and air clean - the CDN tire guy even suggested calling them was in my best interest.

edit: at the MTO they also asked for the e-test and safety. Seems this stuff is mandatory in Ontario. But be sure, i'll double check tmrw!

http://www.importcarcanada.com/main/index.php?page=7

"9. In Ontario you will have to carry out a safety inspection and a vehicle emission inspection."
(the car is not new as I have driven it ...)

http://www.clubtouareg.com/forums/f55/how-to-import-a-touareg-from-usa-to-canada-33980.html
"You must get an emmisions test (varies by province) and a safety test (again, varies by province). In ontario these cost me approx $100.00"

http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?35494-Guidelines-for-importing-your-vehicle-to-Canada&p=523244
Once you have both Form #1 & #2, go to the local Canadian Tire (authorized to do inspections for the RIV) and they will do the federal inspection. It is included in the $200 fee you paid. You will also need a Provincial safety check ($89.95) at Canadian Tire) and an emissions test ($39.95)
******* that is a GREAT post about importing btw! way better than mine!

[thepotatohead]

Thanks riffr aff and rgc97 for all the info. Now, when will the loonie be back on par with the green buck, consider we might be getting into a W recovery? >:(

[riffr aff]

You were talking to people who didn't understand the difference between a first registration and a re-registration. First time I imported (2007) the MTO person asked for these, but I pointed out it was the first registration (I had the MSO as proof). A senior person came over and helped the junior person.

My next registration was this past March (a Van Bortel Subi). People at the registration office understood the process. Ditto for CTC -- both times it took me less than 30 minutes, and they just did a walk-around.

Sounds like there aren't many imports in Peterborough. In KW, they are used to the process.

So I didn't need the e-test and safety? Please advise! If I messed up, more than willing to admit it - but want to make sure I don't spend $130 w/o needing to do so (tho i'm not sure how to get my $$ back from CDN Tire as I allowed them to do the work ...)

edit: the call I made to "MTO" from the CDN Tire was to ServiceOntario ...
edit2: what is the MSO?

[siwen66]

It was time for a new car.


Very helpful. Thanks,

Gst, Pst ( Are they still using this terms?)

[riffr aff]

Very helpful. Thanks,

Gst, Pst ( Are they still using this terms?)

nope, but for all intensive purposes you pay 5% @ the border and 8% @ MTO.

[riffr aff]

I received a PM about the foreign exchange company I used ...

I used KnightsBridge. They offer better rates than does XETrade. However, XETrade you can use their online purchase whereas Knightsbridge you need to call them. The difference? 0.003% for KB and 0.008% for XE (approximates).

[marklin]

So I didn't need the e-test and safety? Please advise! If I messed up, more than willing to admit it - but want to make sure I don't spend $130 w/o needing to do so (tho i'm not sure how to get my $$ back from CDN Tire as I allowed them to do the work ...)

edit: the call I made to "MTO" from the CDN Tire was to ServiceOntario ...
edit2: what is the MSO?

MSO = Manufacturer's Statement of Origin, also called Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin (MCO)

As rgc97 pointed out, you do not need safety/emission as long as the car has not been titled (just because you've driven it does not mean it's considered used). I had similar experience back in January when I imported the van, the MTO staff was questioning, but a more senior lady came up and said 'no safety/emission for newly unregistered vehicles'..

[riffr aff]

MSO = Manufacturer's Statement of Origin, also called Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin (MCO)

As rgc97 pointed out, you do not need safety/emission as long as the car has not been titled (just because you've driven it does not mean it's considered used). I had similar experience back in January when I imported the van, the MTO staff was questioning, but a more senior lady came up and said 'no safety/emission for newly unregistered vehicles'..

I spoke to MTO today and they told me something similar. I need to check the title to see if it is in my name or not.

Any idea what I can do about it if I paid needlessly? Do I have any recourse?

[webthrasher]

Thanks a lot...I was hearing mixed answers that they required the bill of sale as well. I just faxed them the certificate of title (ownership). Do they also require the back filled out with the sellers signature and everything filled out? Or just the front portion?

I wanted to know the answer to this as well...do you just need to fax them the front of the title? Does it have to be filled out completely? I'm looking at a private sale and was thinking I could get a copy ahead of time from the seller (before the final sale is done in person) and fax it ahead to the border. I would like to avoid having to wait 72 hours or making two trips.

Thanks!

[Anonymouse]

Does anyone know if Mazda honours the US warranty on a new car? I've called them but I just get the runaround and there's no recent information on the web that I can find.

[smacd]

Does anyone know if Mazda honours the US warranty on a new car? I've called them but I just get the runaround and there's no recent information on the web that I can find.

I was told it is very dealer specific. The dealer you work with in Canada uses their discretion. It makes sense to honour it, as it's extra income for the dealer, however, if they feel your US purchase cost them a sale, they might be a bit chafed. We were looking for a used CX-7 in January and our dealer was willing to import one for us and honour the warranty. I was planning to import one myself and hold him to his warranty promise. Ended up buying a new Venza.

[VaVOOM]

I was told it is very dealer specific. The dealer you work with in Canada uses their discretion. It makes sense to honour it, as it's extra income for the dealer, however, if they feel your US purchase cost them a sale, they might be a bit chafed. We were looking for a used CX-7 in January and our dealer was willing to import one for us and honour the warranty. I was planning to import one myself and hold him to his warranty promise. Ended up buying a new Venza.


I am thinking about a Venza also, did you import your Venza? if so, how much did you save from importing? I am comparing the pricing of US/Can Venzas and there doesn't seem to be a huge difference in price as compared to other vehicles like the Highlander.

[VANTIS]

we paid 77.4% of the CDN price.[/SIZE]

(would have been 75.7% if we'd gotten our USD at parity)

That was a pretty good read as i am looking for the same car as you, different model (Outback 2.5i sport)

The VanBortel online price gives me 26402$ when i add the moonroof, bluetooth, mediahub, and all weather package to the 2010 premium 2.5i (and hood deflector, which is something i want extra). This gives roughly the same car as the 2.5i sport in canada. The extras:

After the exchange rate (1.08), taxes (13%) and travel/on the road costs (~500$) it would end up being ~32500CAD from VanBortels

I got quoted for a 2010 2.5i sport at a canadian dealership for 36104 all in after fees and taxes...

A difference of 3604 CAD

The only flaw to your story is the assumption that you would pay MSPR here. My quote is for only 1-2% above dealer cost. For me, Shopping over the boarder would only save 11%, and that would most likely be made up with resale (if it ever happens) by not having an american model (the MPH thing would drive me nuts anyways). Plus ive read that warranty repairs can be abit of a challenge...

[zircon]

That was a pretty good read as i am looking for the same car as you, different model (Outback 2.5i sport)

The VanBortel online price gives me 26402$ when i add the moonroof, bluetooth, mediahub, and all weather package to the 2010 premium 2.5i (and hood deflector, which is something i want extra). This gives roughly the same car as the 2.5i sport in canada. The extras:

After the exchange rate (1.08), taxes (13%) and travel/on the road costs (~500$) it would end up being ~32500CAD from VanBortels

I got quoted for a 2010 2.5i sport at a canadian dealership for 36104 all in after fees and taxes...

A difference of 3604 CAD

The only flaw to your story is the assumption that you would pay MSPR here. My quote is for only 1-2% above dealer cost. For me, Shopping over the boarder would only save 11%, and that would most likely be made up with resale (if it ever happens) by not having an american model (the MPH thing would drive me nuts anyways). Plus ive read that warranty repairs can be abit of a challenge...

Sounds like you are getting a decent Can price. However, I am not sure about exchange rate. Is that a bank rate at 1.08? I purchased a bunch of US about 3 months ago when our $ went above par. My XE rate ended up something like 99.4, so almost even par. Travel costs can he higher or lower than 500 depending on where you live. I agree with you, in the end, that $3600 is not enough to get me to buy in the states. When I bought stateside in 2007 and 2008, I saved >20K both times. I would do those deals again in a NY minute if I am saving 10K or more.

[silvermist99]

I called MTO on the spot and was informed that cars brought into Ontario from out of province or country required safety and air clean - the CDN tire guy even suggested calling them was in my best interest.

edit: at the MTO they also asked for the e-test and safety. Seems this stuff is mandatory in Ontario. But be sure, i'll double check tmrw!

http://www.importcarcanada.com/main/index.php?page=7

"9. In Ontario you will have to carry out a safety inspection and a vehicle emission inspection."
(the car is not new as I have driven it ...)

http://www.clubtouareg.com/forums/f55/how-to-import-a-touareg-from-usa-to-canada-33980.html
"You must get an emmisions test (varies by province) and a safety test (again, varies by province). In ontario these cost me approx $100.00"

http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?35494-Guidelines-for-importing-your-vehicle-to-Canada&p=523244
Once you have both Form #1 & #2, go to the local Canadian Tire (authorized to do inspections for the RIV) and they will do the federal inspection. It is included in the $200 fee you paid. You will also need a Provincial safety check ($89.95) at Canadian Tire) and an emissions test ($39.95)
******* that is a GREAT post about importing btw! way better than mine!

you don't HAVE to get it safety certified at Canadian tire do you on a used imported car?
independent mechanics charges cheaper

[smacd]

I am thinking about a Venza also, did you import your Venza? if so, how much did you save from importing? I am comparing the pricing of US/Can Venzas and there doesn't seem to be a huge difference in price as compared to other vehicles like the Highlander.

The savings were worth the effort. We paid $27,000 before tax, including all expenses. The car itself was US$25,150. We also got the vehicle we wanted, a 4 cyl, fwd, with sunroof and cloth interior. This combo isn't available in Canada. Ours came with bluetooth, security system, back-up cam, bumper guard, carpet mats.

[riffr aff]

you don't HAVE to get it safety certified at Canadian tire do you on a used imported car?
independent mechanics charges cheapermy time is worth something to me. The trusted mechanics that bought my car would have been comparable rates. Looking back I should have used them - you know, service the local guys.

My title has me as the 2nd owner of the car ... some other NY subaru (distributor) is the first owner ... I guess they sold it to Van Bortel? Either way, i'm #2 on the list (on one of these forms!).

$130 to the learning curve (? maybe), the savings I got on my car, the knowledge transferred to rfders in the Monsieurmaggot spirit:

pricless

[setell]

I think I read it a while back (a couple years ago) so my apologies if it's been asked many times. Is it ok to drive long distance on a new car? I'm talking about like ~14hrs. I heard that it's bad to drive a car long distance after not "breaking it in" so I'm a bit paranoid to do something damaging to a new car.

[asingh70]

Hi Guys,
Can some one clerify if importing new car from state and car is build in Japan do need to pay tax? (Like in NY around 6.1%)
Thanks
Anil

[smacd]

Hi Guys,
Can some one clerify if importing new car from state and car is build in Japan do need to pay tax? (Like in NY around 6.1%)
Thanks
Anil

State taxes vary. A car not built in North America has 6.1% DUTY added at the CDN border.

[smacd]

I think I read it a while back (a couple years ago) so my apologies if it's been asked many times. Is it ok to drive long distance on a new car? I'm talking about like ~14hrs. I heard that it's bad to drive a car long distance after not "breaking it in" so I'm a bit paranoid to do something damaging to a new car.

I drove mine 750 miles. The manual says it's ok as long as you vary your speed and don't use cruise. I varied from 55-80 mph.

[asingh70]

State taxes vary. A car not built in North America has 6.1% DUTY added at the CDN border.


Does it mean 13% (HST or GST +PST) + Duty?
Thanks
Anil

[honorhero]

very good post. thanks a lot. I am gonna try to that in near future.:idea:

[rjmbc]

Does it mean 13% (HST or GST +PST) + Duty?
Thanks
Anil

On a vehicle made in Japan, you pay 6.1% duty, $100.00 A/C tax (assuming you have air conditioning) plus 5% HST at the border plus balance of HST of 8% at MOT when you register it in Ontario

[Monsieurmaggot]

I drove mine 750 miles. The manual says it's ok as long as you vary your speed and don't use cruise. I varied from 55-80 mph.


If you vary your speed you should be fine. Some folks commented that you should avoid using the "shiftronic" option and cruise for the first few thousand miles.

I also remember reading that you don't want to keep the car in one gear for the first few hundred miles.

I took my car off the expressway for about 50 miles and drove through city traffic to avoid keeping it in high gear.

The way the cars are designed now, I doubt you really need to worry.

[VANTIS]

Sounds like you are getting a decent Can price. However, I am not sure about exchange rate. Is that a bank rate at 1.08? I purchased a bunch of US about 3 months ago when our $ went above par. My XE rate ended up something like 99.4, so almost even par. Travel costs can he higher or lower than 500 depending on where you live. I agree with you, in the end, that $3600 is not enough to get me to buy in the states. When I bought stateside in 2007 and 2008, I saved >20K both times. I would do those deals again in a NY minute if I am saving 10K or more.


well, the dollar today was 0.94$...i assume there is some sort of fee to buy US cash so i guestimated 1.08...either i would save even less since i would have to take out a secured line of credit which is variable at 3.5%...and we all know where that number will go over then next few years...

If i was paying cash...i think even saving 3600 would be worth it...

[Quick_lude]

I tried doing a search but didn't get far so I apologize if this was already asked.

Is a Honda CPO warranty transferrable to Canada? Or would I need to tow/drive to the US for major repairs?

[Ctrl-Z]

Well my dream of buying a new vehicle from the States just evaporated. I placed a factory order for a 2011 Lincoln MKX with my local dealer today - for a price significantly less than what they are currently going for in the US (based on Edmunds "True Market Value". Ford employee pricing plus incentives available only in Canada made a big difference. Kudos to Ford Canada for being price sensitive. Now if only they made many the Sync features avaliable to Canadians...

[webdoctors]

I tried doing a search but didn't get far so I apologize if this was already asked.

Is a Honda CPO warranty transferrable to Canada? Or would I need to tow/drive to the US for major repairs?

Its not valid in Canada, and I BELIEVE (dbl check), they even cancel the USA warranty...

[Magoomba]

Hi all,

Is there some kind of master list of dealerships that will sell to Canadians?
That would save us from having to contact 20 dealerships only to get rejected 19 times.

Myself, looking for a new 2010 Toyota Sienna form a Northwest dealership.
Please PM if you know of one who will sell to a Canuck.

[smacd]

Hi all,

Is there some kind of master list of dealerships that will sell to Canadians?
That would save us from having to contact 20 dealerships only to get rejected 19 times.

Myself, looking for a new 2010 Toyota Sienna form a Northwest dealership.
Please PM if you know of one who will sell to a Canuck.

Such a list would be an invitation to levy significant fines to those dealers!

[Magoomba]

Such a list would be an invitation to levy significant fines to those dealers!

PM then?

I thought I read somewhere that Toyota was levied a fine of around $36.0M because of such practices.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Toyota US was fined over $35 million dollars in US court for obstructing "cross-border" sales. This happened when the Canadian dollar was well below par and prices were much lower in Canada. US citizens flocked to Canada to buy vehicles.

I believe they were charged under the "Sherman Act" which essentially prohibits obstructions to free and open market sales. Toyota didn't plead guilty just took an "out of court" settlement forcing them to re-imburse people who bought vehicles AND they were also required to take out full-page ads. indicating their involvement. Source: www.naata.org

Sadly there is no such law in Canada so we're in the "wild west" and at the mercy of the retailers.

Just look at the website run by the federal MP who was listing the gasoline prices BEFORE they appeared at the pump. In some places this is called collusion.

[JPTN]

So I didn't need the e-test and safety? Please advise! If I messed up, more than willing to admit it - but want to make sure I don't spend $130 w/o needing to do so (tho i'm not sure how to get my $$ back from CDN Tire as I allowed them to do the work ...)On a 2010/2011 vehicle, emissions testing is not required in Ontario. A provincial safety is required on all vehicles, new or used, imported or Canadian when registering (safety certificates are valid for one year).


Looking at a Mercedes for family in Toronto. How is the process for Mercedes now? Does it still require thousands in changes to the instrument cluster and HVAC by a Canadian dealer before your warranty is honored?


any news on the BMW issue? I know that we can get the car in with a printout of BMWs centralized Warranty Vehicle Inquiry report, available to all authorized BMW dealers will, by it’s very nature, indicate if recalls have been rectified and as such be accepted by the RIV as equivalent to a Recall Clearance Letter. However what I can't find out is whether the warranty service will be valid without going through a BMW Canadian dealership to get the letter, or if they are still requiring the clusters to be replaced?Mercedes, BMW/Mini stlll require the cluster/speedometer swap if you wish to transfer and have a Canadian manufacturer's warranty. The other option is to get the recall letter (required by RIV for importation) from BMW/Mercedes USA but maintain the US speedometer (which is preferable if you travel in the US since it has imperial units) and take the vehicle back to the US for warranty service. Also, you lose the free scheduled maintenance in Canada even if you do the cluster swap.

[tcharged]

Incorrect. I have several customers who have imported a 335i, a 750Li, and an 550i, and all have had their warranty covered in Canada by BMW of Canada WITHOUT the cluster swap. They had a recall letter and after calling a few dealerships, a dealer north of Toronto assumed the warranty. It's not a guarantee, but the cluster swap is not necessary whatsoever, do NOT pay to have it done!


On a 2010/2011 vehicle, emissions testing is not required in Ontario. A provincial safety is required on all vehicles, new or used, imported or Canadian when registering (safety certificates are valid for one year).



Mercedes, BMW/Mini stlll require the cluster/speedometer swap if you wish to transfer and have a Canadian manufacturer's warranty. The other option is to get the recall letter (required by RIV for importation) from BMW/Mercedes USA but maintain the US speedometer (which is preferable if you travel in the US since it has imperial units) and take the vehicle back to the US for warranty service. Also, you lose the free scheduled maintenance in Canada even if you do the cluster swap.

[silvermist99]

Incorrect. I have several customers who have imported a 335i, a 750Li, and an 550i, and all have had their warranty covered in Canada by BMW of Canada WITHOUT the cluster swap. They had a recall letter and after calling a few dealerships, a dealer north of Toronto assumed the warranty. It's not a guarantee, but the cluster swap is not necessary whatsoever, do NOT pay to have it done!

not sure about Mercedes tho

http://ucanimport.blogspot.com/2010/03/mercedes-benz-char
ging-for-recall.html

[HotDeal]

Has any one imported the 2010 328 X drive BMW recently? Who from in US and for how much?

I recently took it for a test drive and I like it a lot. The 535 on the other hand not so much, felt a little like a boat.

[ajpaterson]

On a 2010/2011 vehicle, emissions testing is not required in Ontario. A provincial safety is required on all vehicles, new or used, imported or Canadian when registering (safety certificates are valid for one year).

A safety certificate is required only for a used vehicle purchased in ontario, or a used vehicle purchased and previously registered from another jurisdiction.ie. Buying a used car from Alberta and registering it in Ontario. For new vehicles, imported or Canadian, that have never been previously registered, neither a safety certificate or emissions test is required. From the MTO website:

When do I require an SSC?
An SSC is required when:

•registering a rebuilt motor vehicle;
•transferring a used motor vehicle to a new owner as fit;
•registering a motor vehicle in Ontario that was previously registered in another province or country;
•changing the status of a vehicle from unfit to fit

Also from the MTO website:

If you have purchased a new unregistered vehicle/trailer purchased outside Ontario, the following documents are required.

1.New Vehicle Information Statement (NVIS) (if NVIS is not supplied by manufacturer, a dealer's certificate of sale/bill of sale or certificate of origin is acceptable.)
2.Completed and signed Application for Registration (available at Driver and Vehicle Licence Issuing Offices).
3.Vehicle Import Form (only required if the vehicle is purchased outside Canada)
4.Insurance information if vehicle is plated, not required for trailers.
5.Plate portion of the permit, if registrant attaching currently owned licence plates.
6.Payment of provinical retail sales tax (if the registrant is exempt from paying retail sales tax then the appropriate supporting documentation is also required).
7.For commercial vehicles and trailers whose empty weight is more than 900 kilograms, an Empty Weight Certificate is required if not shown on the NVIS or the other acceptable proof of ownership.
8.Proof of identity for applicant to verify their name, date of birth and signature.
9.Payment for licensing fees: for plates and permit, $20or $35 for a trailer plate or $10 if plates that are already owned are attached. For plate validation, the owner will be required to pay for the validation period from the date of vehicle registration to the assigned validation expiry. Trailer plates do not require validation.

[Coldfinger]

Incorrect. I have several customers who have imported a 335i, a 750Li, and an 550i, and all have had their warranty covered in Canada by BMW of Canada WITHOUT the cluster swap. They had a recall letter and after calling a few dealerships, a dealer north of Toronto assumed the warranty. It's not a guarantee, but the cluster swap is not necessary whatsoever, do NOT pay to have it done!

Correct. The scammers stopped trying to pull that one on importers. I know, I'm buying a car through a dealer that imports BMW's and he said it nothing needs to be done. Just the DRLs

If your car still has warranty then you want it registered with BMW Canada but if it is out of warrant then you don't even need to do that and you can avoid BMW Canada completely!

GL

[michelb]

...

Mercedes, BMW/Mini stlll require the cluster/speedometer swap if you wish to transfer and have a Canadian manufacturer's warranty. The other option is to get the recall letter (required by RIV for importation) from BMW/Mercedes USA but maintain the US speedometer (which is preferable if you travel in the US since it has imperial units) and take the vehicle back to the US for warranty service. Also, you lose the free scheduled maintenance in Canada even if you do the cluster swap.


Incorrect. I have several customers who have imported a 335i, a 750Li, and an 550i, and all have had their warranty covered in Canada by BMW of Canada WITHOUT the cluster swap. They had a recall letter and after calling a few dealerships, a dealer north of Toronto assumed the warranty. It's not a guarantee, but the cluster swap is not necessary whatsoever, do NOT pay to have it done!


Correct. The scammers stopped trying to pull that one on importers. I know, I'm buying a car through a dealer that imports BMW's and he said it nothing needs to be done. Just the DRLs

If your car still has warranty then you want it registered with BMW Canada but if it is out of warrant then you don't even need to do that and you can avoid BMW Canada completely!

GL

The question was about keeping warranty in Canada, not about out of warranty vehicles.

You have to be careful about giving out information like this. From what I've heard (and I'm not an expert so you really want to confirm with them) BMW Canada will not extend US warranty unless you go through them for the import. You might find a dealership that will give you warranty service for small items cause they can get it by BMW Canada but if you ever need a large item replaced they wouldn't do it. Same thing would apply for returning to the US for repairs. You have to confirm that even upon export the US company will still cover repairs (this seems to work for Honda but their warranty documentation clearly states that upon export, warranty is void so it could be that again if there's ever a large item failure, they would deny coverage although it passes for small items).

[DJXP]

hi guys I just bought a car in the US, I am having someone go down to take a look at it and make payment for me. They don't want to drive it down here, but it may end up being a scenario if I can't get a reasonable alternative.

So what I am asking is if anyone knows any good shipping services from the US to Canada. I am in Ontario and the car would be located in Ohio. It would need to be transported in an enclosed trailer/closed truck.

Since it would be difficult for me to get the time to go do this myself I will likely need to use a service, it seems most places charge $400-$500 for their admin fees, the rest of the fees seem like the standard fee's I would get charged anyways. It still works out to an ok deal adding the extra bit, but the transportation could make or break this.

What companies have you guys used that were reliable and offered an enclosed container, and of course insured and bonded ?

[michelb]

...

So what I am asking is if anyone knows any good shipping services from the US to Canada. I am in Ontario and the car would be located in Ohio. It would need to be transported in an enclosed trailer/closed truck.

...

What companies have you guys used that were reliable and offered an enclosed container, and of course insured and bonded ?

I just used uShip.com to find a shipper for my car and I thought the price was reasonable (around $800 I think) from Miami,FL to Ogdensburg, NY but that was in an open trailer (unless it's an exotic or something, personally I wouldn't worry about an enclosed trailer).

One thing though, are you looking at having it shipped to a US border or having it shipped to Ontario. If you want it shipped to Ontario, I think it will cost you quite a bit more.

[DJXP]

it would need to be an enclosed trailer and ship to ontario. I will give eship and uship a try as well, but was looking for a company specifically that someone on RFD has used with good results.

[michelb]

it would need to be an enclosed trailer and ship to ontario. I will give eship and uship a try as well, but was looking for a company specifically that someone on RFD has used with good results.

Sorry, you're right I meant uship.com

I've never done it but I think having it shipped in Ontario will add at least $500 (since they'll have to do the actual importing) and enclosed trailers seem to be much more expensive when I looked into it. I suspect you're looking at $1500-$2000 or more.

[JPTN]

hi guys I just bought a car in the US, I am having someone go down to take a look at it and make payment for me. They don't want to drive it down here, but it may end up being a scenario if I can't get a reasonable alternative.Enclosed is really expensive.

TFX is one of the biggest: http://www.tfxinternational.com/

[DJXP]

Enclosed is really expensive.

TFX is one of the biggest: http://www.tfxinternational.com/

I found TFX through google, someone used them a few years back to do an import in my area from NY on the same car etc so they may end up working out. Ive emailed a few places for quotes so far, but I know the ballpark figure is going to be $950 and up for the enclosed vs $450 - $600 for open. Update, quotes ranged from $400-$700 for open and $900-$2300 for closed, the factors on closed also ranged from if it was a single vehicle enclosed or with other vehicles as well, I may end up being able to transport it myself as its only a few hours drive.

Now I am trying to wrap my head around this process as I am getting a bit confused from reading everything. I will try to put my scenario and hopefully I can get a bit of guidance, I am going to reread everything I can as well. I will assume I am still transporting it with a shipper vs picking it up.

My Scenario:

Car is being inspected and paid for on my behalf by a relative should everything check out. Autocheck and carfax have been done and shown to be clean. There was one safety recall on the car which was done in 2003 by the original owner.
I will arrange with a shipping company to deliver the car from the dealership to door in Ontario.


Step 1:
They are picking up the car, so I would get the dealer to give the driver the original title. I would have to find out where the driver is going to cross the boarder through, and have the dealer send a copy of the US Title to the customs broker 3 days in advance.
Update: The title copy is just sent to the customs broker, they supply it to customs to the appropriate border (I could also do this myself except most shippers require I use their customs broker, so they communicate with them only).

Step 2:
obtain the recall clearance letter (the dealer said they can get this for me)
and fax to RIV, (do I do this before I even get form 1, or after, or doesn't matter ?)

Then wait for form 2 in the mail that tells me what needs to be modified.

Step 3: I am confused here, can I get temp plates to drive the car to where I need to get the modifications done and to canadian tire for the inspection ?

Update: Get the US Dealer to get temporary US plates for you, these in most cases are valid in canada for 30 days (someone please correct me on that if its wrong)

Step 4: Take it to CT for inspection, get the stamp, fax it, recieve the label, stick it on, then register at MTO

Hopefully I got most of this right, am I missing anything. Is my presence needed anywhere, do I need to sign documents anywhere with the dealer ?
Update: The dealer requires a clear copy of your license in most cases

[greatman]

Is importing from US still worth?
I am thinking of getting Subaru Forester.
Any advice? any good dealer around?

Thanks

[TongyongUser]

Is importing from US still worth?
I am thinking of getting Subaru Forester.
Any advice? any good dealer around?

Thanks

Looks like the higher end model saves more.
I've also been looking for a Forester. Now I'm almost sure I'd like a Premium w/All Weather Pakage in the states. The comparable trim here is Touring. (See my previous post for the difference between these two).
One quote from a nice dealer in WA is about $23,400. It's not the best price, but if I calculate the final price in CAD based on that, the saving would be like 5k-6k.

Not sure how much we can save if we go with base or Limited.

[rjmbc]

Looks like the higher end model saves more.
I've also been looking for a Forester. Now I'm almost sure I'd like a Premium w/All Weather Pakage in the states. The comparable trim here is Touring. (See my previous post for the difference between these two).
One quote from a nice dealer in WA is about $23,400. It's not the best price, but if I calculate the final price in CAD based on that, the saving would be like 5k-6k.

Not sure how much we can save if we go with base or Limited.

I sent you a PM regarding a dealer in Oregon. If you are interested send me an email

[akyyyy]

anyone know the prices for Cadillac SRX 2010 in the USA compared to Canada?

[Mr. Mayhew]

Correct. The scammers stopped trying to pull that one on importers. I know, I'm buying a car through a dealer that imports BMW's and he said it nothing needs to be done. Just the DRLs

If your car still has warranty then you want it registered with BMW Canada but if it is out of warrant then you don't even need to do that and you can avoid BMW Canada completely!

GL

Correct, but not entirely. If BMW requires you to change your gauge cluster, and you do not (which is fine), they will honor warranty work on everything except the cluster. This stands for any parts they ask you to change and dont. I have yet to have a single customer who has opted to have this done, so it appears it is not of much concern. $3000 is not worth remaining factory warranty on a single part... who wouldve thought?:confused:

[Twism]

Anyone know any dealerships in Portland that sell to Canadians and are familiar with the process. Looking for either bmw, acura, or nissan vehicle. Is it necessary for me to go all the way to Portland to avoid paying state taxes? Someone told me I could get a car from seattle and not have to pay state taxes since im from canada.

[asingh70]

Hi Guys.
What kind of price in US for Pre-Owned 2010 Lexus RX 350 with 10K mileage.
Thanks
Anil

[rjmbc]

Anyone know any dealerships in Portland that sell to Canadians and are familiar with the process. Looking for either bmw, acura, or nissan vehicle. Is it necessary for me to go all the way to Portland to avoid paying state taxes? Someone told me I could get a car from seattle and not have to pay state taxes since im from canada.

Send me a PM and I can provide information on a couple of dealerships in Oregon covering Honda/Nissan/Acura

[smacd]

Hi Guys.
What kind of price in US for Pre-Owned 2010 Lexus RX 350 with 10K mileage.
Thanks
Anil

Here, I've done your research for you: http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/searchresults.jsp?lastStartYear=1981&num_records=75&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&search_type=used&distance=0&address=59901&marketZipError=false&style_flag=1&make=LEXUS&model=RX350&make2=&start_year=2010&end_year=2010&min_price=&max_price=&seller_type=b&transmission=&engine=&drive=&doors=&fuel=&max_mileage=15000&color=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&keywords_display=&sort_type=mileageASC&body_code=0&certified=&advanced=y&highlightFirstMakeModel=&showZipError=n&default_sort=mileageASC&awsp=false&systime=&rdm=1280263153159

[inthelog]

Can someone knows the process give advice? Thanks a lot.

[jakemtl]

This was once a great thread. It has become bloated by requests for info by those too lazy to search here or elsewhere.

[freewheel]

Can someone knows the process give advice? Thanks a lot.

Go to page 1.

[DLFB]

Go to page 1.

lol seriously.

[KurwaMasz]

Anyone know of good websites to find used cars in the states.

trying to buy a luxury suv here

[Matty]

Anyone know of good websites to find used cars in the states.



Um, I know that this may sound off-the-charts CRAZY, but did you ever think of Googling it?

"used cars US" comes up w/ the top choices.

[KurwaMasz]

Um, I know that this may sound off-the-charts CRAZY, but did you ever think of Googling it?

"used cars US" comes up w/ the top choices.



Umm... I dont know if this sounds crazy, but now their are scammers on the internet and apparently it is a good idea to ask people who have done things first.. Either way thanks for your helpful answer. I'm sure you have quite a productive life.

[smacd]

Umm... I dont know if this sounds crazy, but now their are scammers on the internet and apparently it is a good idea to ask people who have done things first.. Either way thanks for your helpful answer. I'm sure you have quite a productive life.

Go 8 posts above and change the search criteria to whatever "luxury suv" you want. Can't get much simpler than that!

[KurwaMasz]

If I buy an SUV that was in an accident but has been fixed can i import it to Canada still? do I need more paperwork etc?

----and yes i did try seaching this thread and the internet

[smacd]

It's going to have to pass a safety check to be registered in your province. Get a copy of your province's sefety check list and have an independant mechanic do the check before you buy the vehicle. As long as it hasn't been listed as a write-off and it passes inspection (which you should do for your own sake anyway), it should be ok. If you want to be absolutely sure, contact RIV: http://www.riv.ca/ and ask them directly.

[webdoctors]

If I buy an SUV that was in an accident but has been fixed can i import it to Canada still? do I need more paperwork etc?

----and yes i did try seaching this thread and the internet

does it have salvage title or normal title?

i believe on the RIV FAQ, autos with salvage title cant be imported, but double check...

[Mr. Mayhew]

im not sure about the restrictions in ontario, but if you import a vehicle that has a salvage or rebuilt title into BC, you need a structural integrity inspection as well as the federal and provincial.

Standards are quite different in Canada and you may find yourself with a hefty bill once it enters the country. I suggest staying away from any salvage, flood or rebuilt vehicle, even if you have an inspection done in the USA prior to purchase, you are not secure.

[VaVOOM]

Can anyone PM me a Canadian friendly Toyota dealer in Washington state? Thanks.

[smacd]

AFAIK, there are no Canadian friendly Toyota dealers in Washington state if you're looking for a NEW car/truck. They're all friendly as far as USED goes. Toyota USA imposes a huge fine on them if they're caught selling a new car that doesn't get registered in the USA. The way around it is to use a service or relative/friend that purchases it, registers it in the USA, and sells it to you. Best to find someone that can register it in a sales tax free state.

[marcopoloca]

Any one else wants to buy a 2011 Mustang in Buffalo, or Detroit area please contact me for some join effort :)

[MacBuster]

Does anyone know if a Hyundai Genesis sedan gets charged duty at the border?

[ajpaterson]

Does anyone know if a Hyundai Genesis sedan gets charged duty at the border?

This is pretty easy to find out if you do a google search. The Genesis is manufactured in South Korea, so 6.1% duty will be charged by Canada Customs at the border. The VIN starts with A K so this tells you where it was made. NAFTA manufactured vehicle VINs start with a number. You will also be charged $100 excise tax and 5% GST on the converted US purchase price + the duty + the excise tax, so you pay tax on the duty. You'll also pay the RIV fee of $195+GST/HST, and then pay your provincial licensing office PST or HST-GST already paid, depending on which provicnce you are in. Note the the PST/HST is also calculated on the US purchase price + the duty + the excise tax, so you also pay this tax on the duty.

Even with all these fees, it's often a lot cheaper to import from the US than buy locally, but the differences vary from manufacturer to manufacturer and model to model, so you need to do your homework.

[bobcat99]

Any recommendations on a good used car dealer near Buffalo. I skimmed through the thread and didn't see anything. Also please don't ask me to Google it as I am specifically looking for a dealer that someone has had a good experience with.

Thanks

[phrozenn.heat]

I'm not sure if this information is helpful to anyone but here it is.

I just called Audi American regarding warranties on Audi cars imported to Canada and the Audi Advocate (aka CSR) told me that all new Audi imported will have the Audi New Vehicle Limited Warranty (http://www.audiusa.com/us/brand/en/owners/main/warranty_and_insurance/warranty.html) program transferred to Canada. Certified Audis do not qualify for any warranty in Canada. She said if warranty is important, she recommend buying new than re-certified.

[shopper-X]

I'm not sure if this information is helpful to anyone but here it is.

I just called Audi American regarding warranties on Audi cars imported to Canada and the Audi Advocate (aka CSR) told me that all new Audi imported will have the Audi New Vehicle Limited Warranty (http://www.audiusa.com/us/brand/en/owners/main/warranty_and_insurance/warranty.html) program transferred to Canada. Certified Audis do not qualify for any warranty in Canada. She said if warranty is important, she recommend buying new than re-certified.

According the APA.ca (link (http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253)) it was confirmed in Dec. 2009 that Audi does transfer the warranty. VW does for 2008 and older but not 2009 and newer.

[smacd]

Does anyone know if a Hyundai Genesis sedan gets charged duty at the border?

You also lose your warranty.

[tcharged]

You also lose your warranty.

No big deal, because those cars have a lot of very basic parts and are cheap to maintain.

[MacBuster]

You also lose your warranty.

My understanding with Hyundai is that the US will cover warranty in Canada, you just have to pay up front and submit to get reimbursed by Hyundai USA.

[smacd]

My understanding with Hyundai is that the US will cover warranty in Canada, you just have to pay up front and submit to get reimbursed by Hyundai USA.

I think this is a YMMV. I was considering a Santa Fe and called both Hyundai Canada and Hyundai USA. Both said the same thing, that the warranty would be void. I didn't buy one, so I have no direct experience with them.

[MacBuster]

I actually got some responses from dealers in the Toronto area!

They are ALL OVER THE PLACE with their pricing. It's a good measure of who's actually serious.

I've been invited to "stop in" to get a great deal. Others would like me to "call in". I never did either buying in the US. I was given a firm price that was within a couple of hundred buck from each other.

In Canada I've been quoted anywhere from $32k to $37k for essentially the same vehicle.

I am looking for a 2010 Acadian SLE with leather, FWD and a V6. Some guys say leather isn't available while others say it is (with the SLE trim level).

A few US dealers have also responded but say they can't "technically" sell me a GM. <wink>. I was told that if I want a "demo." they might be able to swing me a deal. The demo. would have less than 100 miles on the odometer (it's Imperial measurement so it's no odometre LOL).

More later...

I did the same with the Hyundai dealers.

I sent out a mass email (using BCC) to Canadian and US dealers. The US dealers have promptly returned my emails, and I have not heard from a single Canadian dealer. Not one.

Canadian car dealerships are many notches below American dealers.

[mugs_64]

This is a huge thread I haven't seen much of my thoughts answered though. Wondering if anyone can help me out.
Is it worth it buying a GM car this way like a SRX or even the terrain/equinox. It seems like people are buying higher end cars.
Also, is everyone paying cash or are some people financing with the dealerships or financing some other way to complete this transaction
thanks

[akyyyy]

This is a huge thread I haven't seen much of my thoughts answered though. Wondering if anyone can help me out.
Is it worth it buying a GM car this way like a SRX or even the terrain/equinox. It seems like people are buying higher end cars.
Also, is everyone paying cash or are some people financing with the dealerships or financing some other way to complete this transaction
thanks

im looking for the SRX as well, let me know if u come across something.
thx

[njchan]

my mother (who's retired and living in Florida - US Resident) has a 2004 Nissan Titan Truck she wants to get rid of ... i.e. offered to give it to me at a really good price.

I tried searching RIV for information on whether or not I can import this - but their list doesn't have the titan truck. am I missing something?

can anyone help? / point me in the right direction?

[shopper-X]

my mother (who's retired and living in Florida - US Resident) has a 2004 Nissan Titan Truck she wants to get rid of ... i.e. offered to give it to me at a really good price.

I tried searching RIV for information on whether or not I can import this - but their list doesn't have the titan truck. am I missing something?

can anyone help? / point me in the right direction?

Read the 3rd paragraph --> Transport Canada Nissan/Infiniti Link (http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/safevehicles/importation/usa/vafus/list2/NISSAN___INFINITI.htm)

[njchan]

Read the 3rd paragraph --> Transport Canada Nissan/Infiniti Link (http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/safevehicles/importation/usa/vafus/list2/NISSAN___INFINITI.htm)

thanks ...

I wasn't sure if the Titan was a passenger vehicle or truck ... since it didn't list the model.

however, I found this ... but it only talks about Titan trucks from 2008 onward ... not before ...

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/safevehicles/importation/usa/vafus/list2/Section12_0.htm

any thoughts? (thanks for your help!)

[michelb]

thanks ...

I wasn't sure if the Titan was a passenger vehicle or truck ... since it didn't list the model.

however, I found this ... but it only talks about Titan trucks from 2008 onward ... not before ...

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/safevehicles/importation/usa/vafus/list2/Section12_0.htm

any thoughts? (thanks for your help!)

Actually it's under section 2.0


All trailers and trucks manufactured BEFORE September 1, 2007 are admissible.

One thing you probably want to do is get an appraisal done for the value of the truck otherwise you will be taxed on the Canadian book value (gifting a vehicle from a relative is not tax free for importing).

[shopper-X]

thanks ...

I wasn't sure if the Titan was a passenger vehicle or truck ... since it didn't list the model.

however, I found this ... but it only talks about Titan trucks from 2008 onward ... not before ...

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/safevehicles/importation/usa/vafus/list2/Section12_0.htm

any thoughts? (thanks for your help!)

As michelb points out, it falls under Section 2.0.
Section 12 is:


Section 12 - TRUCKS WITH GVWR LESS THAN 4536 KG, MANUFACTURED AFTER SEPTEMBER 1, 2007
All vehicles that have undergone any alteration other than typical repair are inadmissible.

[michelb]

Has anyone gotten a GM recall letter for GM Vintage recently?

FYI, if anyone else is bringing in a GM, initially RIV refused the GMVIS printout and told me I needed to get the letter from GM Vintage (at $250) but I just resubmitted the same letter and it was eventually accepted. Good luck.

On a separate rant, this whole recall clearance thing is kind of bogus. You can't import a US vehicle if there is a recall on it in the US but the US and Canada don't have the same recalls. Our US Sienna (already imported) has a US recall on it right now (tail gate lifts) but Canada doesn't have the recall so dealership in Canada don't have the parts to fix it so if I was trying to import our van now, I'd have to go to the US to get the recall fixed in order to get the recall clearance letter in order to import it even though it's not actually a recall here! Also Transport Canada and NHTSA maintain a database of all recalls. Why can't importers just use that. If neither (actually the only one that should matter is NHTSA since they only care about US recalls) have any recalls on file for that vehicle, why do you need to get a recall clearance letter from the manufacturer?

[Akronica]

Hi guys

I am really interested in getting a US Sienna, huge difference in both features and price. Appreciate if someone can guide me to where I can start to get one

Dealer or broker to contact
How to get it in Canada
Can they provide financing to Canadians or is it a cash deal only


Thanks a lot

[bobcat99]

Looking through the thread, it seems savings are if cars are over $30000.
Not worth it if you want to get a Mailbu, Fusion or like cars that start at around $20000. Thoughts?

[bobcat99]

I got a price from a Buffalo dealer for a 2011 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium w/All-Weather Pkg for $23000. How does this compare to a price that someone at RFD might have paid.

Thanks

[icu_nxtime]

Hi guys

I am really interested in getting a US Sienna, huge difference in both features and price. Appreciate if someone can guide me to where I can start to get one

Dealer or broker to contact
How to get it in Canada
Can they provide financing to Canadians or is it a cash deal only


Thanks a lot
+1
I would prefer a broker, I'm in the GTA if anyone has a broker they recommend pleease PM me !

[njchan]

Actually it's under section 2.0

One thing you probably want to do is get an appraisal done for the value of the truck otherwise you will be taxed on the Canadian book value (gifting a vehicle from a relative is not tax free for importing).

Thanks michelb ... I'll also take your advice on the appraisal ... so many things to consider!



As michelb points out, it falls under Section 2.0.
Section 12 is:

Thanks shopper-X ... appreciate the feedback.

[njchan]

2. As of March 20 2007, if you import a big V8 vehicle (or any "gas guzzler" as defined by the RIV), you can pay up to $4000 in extra "green levy" fees. This charge will be part of the fees you pay to Canada Customs (which you will see later on in these instructions).

For imported vehicles, the tax will only apply to automobiles put into service on or after March 20, 2007. An automobile is considered to be put into service at the earliest of:
• the date the automobile is registered with a motor vehicle authority;
• the date it is plated;
• the date on which the automobile’s warranty has been put in place; or
• the date the automobile is appropriated by a dealer for their own use.



I'm sure this is symantics, but ... does this mean if I buy a used v8 truck from 2004 in the US, I would be exempt from the green levy?

[bobcat99]

I'm in Toronto and want to take a week off to fly into the US, find a used 06-09 Mazda MX-5, buy it and then drive it back to Canada.

Which states should I consider that would offer me a hopefully rust-free car, but also the lowest taxes on used cars?

Thanks!

If the car is coming into Canada would you still have to pay the State Tax on it?

[newt_101]

I'm interested in buying a used Mazda in the US and bringing it over to Ontario and would greatly appreciate some help that wasn't provided in the main page FAQs.

Which US state is best to focus my car search on from a tax/fees, quantity of cars available and most room for bargaining (perhaps hit the most with the recession) perspective? (I'd be flying in and driving it back).

Thanks!

[icu_nxtime]

I am looking for someone with info for a broker where all of this can be done for me, Please don't bash, I know it isn't tough to do but it can be time consuming.

I am loking for a 2011 Toyota Sienna SE 8 passenger with the optional power package including moonroof.

Can someone please PM me if they have someone they have used in the past.

I don't want the hassle of riv, cdn tire etc, just go and pick it up and pay the broker.

My current Lease is expiring in a few months so I need to be organized now.

Thanks in advance.

[dracore]

I'm interested in buying a used Mazda in the US and bringing it over to Ontario and would greatly appreciate some help that wasn't provided in the main page FAQs.

Which US state is best to focus my car search on from a tax/fees, quantity of cars available and most room for bargaining (perhaps hit the most with the recession) perspective? (I'd be flying in and driving it back).

Thanks!

Hope you're looking into something like a fully decked out CX-9 because there's not a huge margin in terms of difference for mazdas. Since you mentioned you would be flying it will cut into your savings. Look for states that will not charge you state taxes or buy from a no-tax state. Best to look more south. Anywhere close the border and it won't be worth it.

Go too far south and you'll have to factor in time/cost driving the vehicle back..

[newt_101]

Hope you're looking into something like a fully decked out CX-9 because there's not a huge margin in terms of difference for mazdas. Since you mentioned you would be flying it will cut into your savings. Look for states that will not charge you state taxes or buy from a no-tax state. Best to look more south. Anywhere close the border and it won't be worth it.

Go too far south and you'll have to factor in time/cost driving the vehicle back..

I'm looking at a 08+ MX-5 Miata Grand Touring; I've looked on Toronto's AutoTrader and the prices are nowhere near as close to the US's.

Also, I would be flying THERE but driving my purchased car BACK.

Is there a list of no-tax states or states that won't charge me tax on a USED car?

The perfect US state to me would be one that:

- hit hard by recession causing people to negotiate more with their price.
- no tax state/no sales tax on used cars.
- not too much salt on the grounds; less prone to rust.
- a large selection of used convertible type cars (as the Miata is what I'm after).

Thanks!

[shopper-X]

I'm looking at a 08+ MX-5 Miata Grand Touring; I've looked on Toronto's AutoTrader and the prices are nowhere near as close to the US's.

Also, I would be flying THERE but driving my purchased car BACK.

Is there a list of no-tax states or states that won't charge me tax on a USED car?

The perfect US state to me would be one that:

- hit hard by recession causing people to negotiate more with their price.
- no tax state/no sales tax on used cars.
- not too much salt on the grounds; less prone to rust.
- a large selection of used convertible type cars (as the Miata is what I'm after).

Thanks!

0% Sales Tax States
Alaska
Delaware
Montana
New Hampshire
Oregon

[newt_101]

0% Sales Tax States
Delaware
New Hampshire


These seem great and not far from Toronto.
From my understanding, if I don't register a car in the US, would I have to pay sales tax?

Or is the sales tax only applicable if I was buying it from a dealer, versus a private sale?

Thanks!

[dracore]

These seem great and not far from Toronto.
From my understanding, if I don't register a car in the US, would I have to pay sales tax?

Or is the sales tax only applicable if I was buying it from a dealer, versus a private sale?

Thanks!

I only have experience with dealership but sales tax is typically dependent on which state. Some states the dealership has no problem with no-sales tax. Other states require that the vehicle is shipped out of the state (unless you want to pay sales tx)... you cannot drive it off their lot. Probably the only way to know is to ask them.

Don't know if this applies to private sales.

Don't forget to consider how long you are planning to stay in the US. You cannot just go down, buy a car and drive it back on the same day. If you're paying by bank draft, I don't know if there's a hold (few days) just to verify it's valid.

[wunderkind]

Cars that are not made in NAFTA countries (Canada, US, Mexico) will be dinged with 6% duty. So include that into your Miata purchase.

Personally I would go with a BMW Z4 which is made in US. The price savings on premium cars is higher.

Also consider modifications to be done to your Miata for Canadian spec like DRL and bumper laws. I think they are the same. All the best. I once imported a Z3 M Roadster eons ago. :o

[shopper-X]

Cars that are not made in NAFTA countries (Canada, US, Mexico) will be dinged with 6% duty. So include that into your Miata purchase.

Personally I would go with a BMW Z4 which is made in US. The price savings on premium cars is higher.

Also consider modifications to be done to your Miata for Canadian spec like DRL and bumper laws. I think they are the same. All the best. I once imported a Z3 M Roadster eons ago. :o

I thought the bumper law was harmonized now?
June 26, 2008 Transport Canada Press Release (http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/mediaroom/releases-nat-2008-08-h158e-2272.htm)

[Matty]

Looking through the thread, it seems savings are if cars are over $30000.
Not worth it if you want to get a Mailbu, Fusion or like cars that start at around $20000. Thoughts?

Wrong. Suzuki Kizashi starts at US$19,900 in the US, and C$29,995 in Canada.

THAT'S 50% MORE EXPENSIVE.

Yes, it has different equipment, but I'm comparing the most basic model here, to the most basic model there.

I believe that it's the greatest discrepancy of any car on the market. Can anyone confirm?

[marcopoloca]

$25,499 according to google search in the US, for th the suzuki kizashi.

i want to buy a 2011 mustang v6 in the US, anyone else?


Wrong. Suzuki Kizashi starts at US$19,900 in the US, and C$29,995 in Canada.

THAT'S 50% MORE EXPENSIVE.

Yes, it has different equipment, but I'm comparing the most basic model here, to the most basic model there.

I believe that it's the greatest discrepancy of any car on the market. Can anyone confirm?

[Matty]

$25,499 according to google search in the US, for th the suzuki kizashi.

That's an unusual way to check pricing.

The US website and all the ads on American TV are very clear. It starts at $18,999 (even less than the ~$19,900 I'd originally been quoted).

[roger12]

Hey diigii,

Is state tax the only reason you bought in Maryland vs a closer location say buffalo, NY?

I am reading through this huge thread, I apologize if I am asking something that has already been answered.


Buying a car for import in Maryland is tax-exempt, as long as they know you are a Canadian citizen with the intent of exporting the car out of the US to Canada. No problem at all. The dealership was very knowledgeable with the process.

Some US dealers are unscrupulous with charging state sales tax, claiming that they are "required" by law. They will just keep that "tax" to pad their profits/commissions. Isn't it strange that an out-of-state US citizen buying from another state tax-exempt? Then Canadians (presumably out-of-state purchaser) suddenly has to pay the tax? :!:

[diigii]

No. The dealership in Maryland offered a lower price, had the model, trim and color I wanted. They were also great to deal with, forthcoming with the price, and they agreed that I am not required to pay state tax if it was to be registered in another jurisdiction.

Most of the Buffalo-area dealers will not go below MSRP when they know if the buyer is Canadian. One dealer I tried to deal with said, "You're getting a heck of a deal already by paying MSRP...."

As most of the people here who have bought their cars in the US, they dealt with the invoice price, some of them even further reductions off the invoice price because the dealerships were honest with the factory rebates and passed them on to the buyers.


Hey diigii,

Is state tax the only reason you bought in Maryland vs a closer location say buffalo, NY?

I am reading through this huge thread, I apologize if I am asking something that has already been answered.

[HP_John]

No. The dealership in Maryland offered a lower price, had the model, trim and color I wanted. They were also great to deal with, forthcoming with the price, and they agreed that I am not required to pay state tax if it was to be registered in another jurisdiction.

Most of the Buffalo-area dealers will not go below MSRP when they know if the buyer is Canadian. One dealer I tried to deal with said, "You're getting a heck of a deal already by paying MSRP...."

As most of the people here who have bought their cars in the US, they dealt with the invoice price, some of them even further reductions off the invoice price because the dealerships were honest with the factory rebates and passed them on to the buyers.

+1 on the part about Buffalo area dealers, they have 1 price they'll sell to local residents & another price for Cdns, because "you're already getting a deal". LOL, at 1 point, the NY Infiniti dealer closest to Toronto wanted $1600 ABOVE MSRP, whereas at the same time, some Cdns could get other US dealers to sell at $500 over invoice (non NY state area Infiniti dealers)

[akyyyy]

if looking for a 2010 Toyota tundra crewmax from Oregon state. so is it true that i wont pay any sales taxes in this state? Just 12% HST when i bring the vehicle back home?

Im closer to WA state, if i buy from WA will i pay WA taxes on a used vehicle from a dealer?

thanks.

10k price difference from Canada and USA

also does anyone if toyota will transfer their warranty to canada?

[smacd]

if looking for a 2010 Toyota tundra crewmax from Oregon state. so is it true that i wont pay any sales taxes in this state? Just 12% HST when i bring the vehicle back home?

Im closer to WA state, if i buy from WA will i pay WA taxes on a used vehicle from a dealer?

thanks.

10k price difference from Canada and USA

Is the 2010 new or used?

[akyyyy]

Is the 2010 new or used?

all the ones im looking at are used.

found some 07's for around 30k
http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/ctd/1902077930.html

this ones old so it's prob sold...

[smacd]

all the ones im looking at are used.

found some 07's for around 30k
http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/ctd/1902077930.html

this ones old so it's prob sold...

If you're exporting, you shouldn't have to pay sales tax in either state for used vehicles. Regular Toyota warranty is good throughout North America, but I got conflicting answers when I asked about extended warranties.

These guys have good prices if you're willing to travel to Montana: http://www.kalispelltoyota.com/used-inventory/index.htm?SByear=clear&SBmake=Toyota&SBmodel=clear&SBbodystyle=clear&SBprice=clear

Road trip???

[akyyyy]

If you're exporting, you shouldn't have to pay sales tax in either state for used vehicles. Regular Toyota warranty is good throughout North America, but I got conflicting answers when I asked about extended warranties.

These guys have good prices if you're willing to travel to Montana: http://www.kalispelltoyota.com/used-inventory/index.htm?SByear=clear&SBmake=Toyota&SBmodel=clear&SBbodystyle=clear&SBprice=clear

Road trip???

ill check the site out, and id have to google map Montana to Vancouver, BC...

for as for taxes, i woudlnt pay tax in any state if im exporting? Who do i tell this to, and what proof do they require.

thx for your help

[Gooner]

Could anyone give me a rough idea of how much a well optioned (new) 2010 / 2011 Subaru Forrester would cost me 'on the road' if I bought from the US? Also I believe there was previously a Subaru dealer contact that helped out a lot of Canadians getting a deal / importing them into Canada?

Finally, has anybody had issues with Subaru honoring warranty? On APA's site it says :

The car must either be returned to the U.S. for warranty repairs, or the owner can have the car repaired by a Subaru dealer in Canada, pay for it in full, and submit the bill to Subaru U.S. for re-imbursement. Keep in mind, this is basically a “gentlemen’s agreement” and Subaru USA can change its policy at anytime.


Thank You!

-Chris

[iamalittlepepper]

I think you are referring to this guy: http://www.cars101.com/canada.html

But he is not allowed to sell new cars to Canadians anymore.

He is out in Seattle, quite far from TO.


Could anyone give me a rough idea of how much a well optioned (new) 2010 / 2011 Subaru Forrester would cost me 'on the road' if I bought from the US? Also I believe there was previously a Subaru dealer contact that helped out a lot of Canadians getting a deal / importing them into Canada?

Finally, has anybody had issues with Subaru honoring warranty? On APA's site it says :

The car must either be returned to the U.S. for warranty repairs, or the owner can have the car repaired by a Subaru dealer in Canada, pay for it in full, and submit the bill to Subaru U.S. for re-imbursement. Keep in mind, this is basically a “gentlemen’s agreement” and Subaru USA can change its policy at anytime.


Thank You!

-Chris

[iamalittlepepper]

You get conflicting answers because some dealers sells aftermarket extended warranties (they have larger margins).

I don't think extended service agreements carries over to Canada for official warranties because the cost is too high.


If you're exporting, you shouldn't have to pay sales tax in either state for used vehicles. Regular Toyota warranty is good throughout North America, but I got conflicting answers when I asked about extended warranties.

These guys have good prices if you're willing to travel to Montana: http://www.kalispelltoyota.com/used-inventory/index.htm?SByear=clear&SBmake=Toyota&SBmodel=clear&SBbodystyle=clear&SBprice=clear

Road trip???

[shopper-X]

Could anyone give me a rough idea of how much a well optioned (new) 2010 / 2011 Subaru Forrester would cost me 'on the road' if I bought from the US? Also I believe there was previously a Subaru dealer contact that helped out a lot of Canadians getting a deal / importing them into Canada?

Finally, has anybody had issues with Subaru honoring warranty? On APA's site it says :

The car must either be returned to the U.S. for warranty repairs, or the owner can have the car repaired by a Subaru dealer in Canada, pay for it in full, and submit the bill to Subaru U.S. for re-imbursement. Keep in mind, this is basically a “gentlemen’s agreement” and Subaru USA can change its policy at anytime.


Thank You!

-Chris


I think you are referring to this guy: http://www.cars101.com/canada.html

But he is not allowed to sell new cars to Canadians anymore.

He is out in Seattle, quite far from TO.

For TO try the one everyone talks about: Van Bortel (http://www.vanbortelsubaru.com/buildyourcar.asp)

[phrozenn.heat]

Does anyone know of an Audi dealer in the States that is willing to sell new cars to Canadian? Please PM me. Thanks.

[akyyyy]

If you're exporting, you shouldn't have to pay sales tax in either state for used vehicles. Regular Toyota warranty is good throughout North America, but I got conflicting answers when I asked about extended warranties.

These guys have good prices if you're willing to travel to Montana: http://www.kalispelltoyota.com/used-inventory/index.htm?SByear=clear&SBmake=Toyota&SBmodel=clear&SBbodystyle=clear&SBprice=clear

Road trip???

this place isnt too far from me, but he's only got 2 tundras and they're both 07s.

any other sites you can recommend?

as for warranty, what is offered through Toyota, just regular warranty or extended?

And does anyone know the process of not paying tax because of importing to Canada?

thanks.


here's something i found interesteding

http://www.importcartocanada.info/faq/canadian-vs-us-2008-vehicle-msrp-prices/

[iamalittlepepper]

Not paying taxes varies state by state.. OR doesn't have sales tax on anything. Some states you can only get tax free if you have a out of state dealer's license. eg Texas.

The best way is to contact the dealer and the DMV of the state you are dealing with. Remember you will also need driver's insurance while you are in the state and on your way back to the border and border back home (both are separate as one is in US and one is in Canada).

It is not just MSRP is cheaper.. in US the freight and PDI is typically half of what Canada dealers charge.


this place isnt too far from me, but he's only got 2 tundras and they're both 07s.

any other sites you can recommend?

as for warranty, what is offered through Toyota, just regular warranty or extended?

And does anyone know the process of not paying tax because of importing to Canada?

thanks.


here's something i found interesteding

http://www.importcartocanada.info/faq/canadian-vs-us-2008-vehicle-msrp-prices/

[iamalittlepepper]

Typically the further south you go.. the easier they get.. I think it will be easiest to go to Audi enthusiast groups eg Audizine / VWortex etc and look for dealers there. or if you have a friend who live in the state, just get the friend to buy the car for you.


Does anyone know of an Audi dealer in the States that is willing to sell new cars to Canadian? Please PM me. Thanks.

[riffr aff]

Could anyone give me a rough idea of how much a well optioned (new) 2010 / 2011 Subaru Forrester would cost me 'on the road' if I bought from the US? Also I believe there was previously a Subaru dealer contact that helped out a lot of Canadians getting a deal / importing them into Canada?

Finally, has anybody had issues with Subaru honoring warranty? On APA's site it says :

The car must either be returned to the U.S. for warranty repairs, or the owner can have the car repaired by a Subaru dealer in Canada, pay for it in full, and submit the bill to Subaru U.S. for re-imbursement. Keep in mind, this is basically a “gentlemen’s agreement” and Subaru USA can change its policy at anytime.


Thank You!

-Chris

To get a great quote near you - http://www.vanbortelsubaru.com/buildyourcar.asp. East of Buffalo in Victor NY. You can price your car there (they charge invoice) and find contact info.

[dough4you]

Typically the further south you go.. the easier they get.. I think it will be easiest to go to Audi enthusiast groups eg Audizine / VWortex etc and look for dealers there. or if you have a friend who live in the state, just get the friend to buy the car for you.

I was in an audi dealership in New Hampshire last summer and he told me
a) he couldn't sell me a new Audi
b) I wouldn't be able to find an Audi dealer in the states that would sell to a Canadian.

He told me my only option was to buy a used Audi, which he was authorized to sell to Canadians.

dough

[icu_nxtime]

I found a broker who does this all in delivered to your door, takes care of everything but his pricing for all in is only about 500 dollar difference :(

I don't think the deals are as good as they used to be for Toyota anyway.

I was looking for a 2011 Sienna SE with option pkg including tow.

The $500 would get me a different colour (Blue) but it would also possibly be worth less on a trade down the road being a US car. It would also mean I had a Miles instead of KM not a big deal but to convert the dash would probably run in the 500 range I would guess.

Lastly and this is a big what if Toyota USA could stop honourong warranty at any time for CDN imported cars (doubtfull but it is a minimal risk)

SO is $500 worth the Blue colour ???

I was hoping for 5-6k in savings then it would be worth it I think.

If anyone has any other options for me I'd be happy to hear them aside from an amerifriend which I don't have.

[akyyyy]

Was doing some reading online, what's this eco charge when bringing to Canada, something to do with the AC??? Also read about gas guzzlers would be another cost as well. anyone hear of this or know how much additional this would cost.


I found a broker who does this all in delivered to your door, takes care of everything but his pricing for all in is only about 500 dollar difference :(

I don't think the deals are as good as they used to be for Toyota anyway.

I was looking for a 2011 Sienna SE with option pkg including tow.

The $500 would get me a different colour (Blue) but it would also possibly be worth less on a trade down the road being a US car. It would also mean I had a Miles instead of KM not a big deal but to convert the dash would probably run in the 500 range I would guess.

Lastly and this is a big what if Toyota USA could stop honourong warranty at any time for CDN imported cars (doubtfull but it is a minimal risk)

SO is $500 worth the Blue colour ???

I was hoping for 5-6k in savings then it would be worth it I think.

If anyone has any other options for me I'd be happy to hear them aside from an amerifriend which I don't have.

most newer vehicles have a button on the dash where you can change from MILES - KMS

[TrevorK]

I found a broker who does this all in delivered to your door, takes care of everything but his pricing for all in is only about 500 dollar difference :(

Provided that all the options you are comparing are the same (except colour) I really don't think a $500 savings is worth the potential risk you face. As you've outlined:
- Warranty status could change at any time
- You could be hassled getting warranty work done (Causing you to have to call various people to get it done)
- Your car will most likely be valued less than a Canadian vehicle

Considering those potential risks, I don't think $500 compensates you enough for them.

[elmst200]

I think the $500 price difference is between importing from US and buying from local toyota dealer. Am I correct?

Do you know how much the broker charge to deliver a U.S. car to you door?

The Canaidan 2011 Sienna SE 8-passanger V6 MSRP is $36,600, while New York state MSRP price is US$31,560 for the same vehicle. The New York invoice price is US$29,519. If the dollar moves to par the saving to buy in the U.S. would be in the $6000-7000 range.


I found a broker who does this all in delivered to your door, takes care of everything but his pricing for all in is only about 500 dollar difference :(

I don't think the deals are as good as they used to be for Toyota anyway.

I was looking for a 2011 Sienna SE with option pkg including tow.

The $500 would get me a different colour (Blue) but it would also possibly be worth less on a trade down the road being a US car. It would also mean I had a Miles instead of KM not a big deal but to convert the dash would probably run in the 500 range I would guess.

Lastly and this is a big what if Toyota USA could stop honourong warranty at any time for CDN imported cars (doubtfull but it is a minimal risk)

SO is $500 worth the Blue colour ???

I was hoping for 5-6k in savings then it would be worth it I think.

If anyone has any other options for me I'd be happy to hear them aside from an amerifriend which I don't have.

[diigii]

I can do you one better for your search. The invoice price for your 8-passenger V6 is US$27,953. Remember, you negotiate from invoice price downwards when buying in the US. You can thank me later if you are successful in getting a dealer to sell new to you and when you drive it home. :)

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2011/toyota/sienna/101273301/prices.html


I think the $500 price difference is between importing from US and buying from local toyota dealer. Am I correct?

Do you know how much the broker charge to deliver a U.S. car to you door?

The Canaidan 2011 Sienna SE 8-passanger V6 MSRP is $36,600, while New York state MSRP price is US$31,560 for the same vehicle. The New York invoice price is US$29,519. If the dollar moves to par the saving to buy in the U.S. would be in the $6000-7000 range.

[icu_nxtime]

I can do you one better for your search. The invoice price for your 8-passenger V6 is US$27,953. Remember, you negotiate from invoice price downwards when buying in the US. You can thank me later if you are successful in getting a dealer to sell new to you and when you drive it home. :)

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2011/toyota/sienna/101273301/prices.html

The broker is charging (quoting) 1500 for his service and 1500 for transport so there is 3k right there.
The other bad thing is he says he can't get better pricing than 32k for the Sienna as it is hard to find dealer's, I sent him one exactly what I wanted for 30k but he said he can't order from just anyone he has his contacts and that's their price.

If he was to drop his fees and get the better price then we could save about 6k but given there is little to no option for a dealer to sell to us up here we are screwed.

I will wait up here for a 1.9% finance deal probably closer to Dec Jan and bite the bullet.

Sucks, I was excited to think I could have a colour I wanted and would be different from 99% of the Sienna's in Ont.

Too bad:cry::cry:

[ziploc]

The broker is charging (quoting) 1500 for his service and 1500 for transport so there is 3k right there.
The other bad thing is he says he can't get better pricing than 32k for the Sienna as it is hard to find dealer's, I sent him one exactly what I wanted for 30k but he said he can't order from just anyone he has his contacts and that's their price.

If he was to drop his fees and get the better price then we could save about 6k but given there is little to no option for a dealer to sell to us up here we are screwed.

I will wait up here for a 1.9% finance deal probably closer to Dec Jan and bite the bullet.

Sucks, I was excited to think I could have a colour I wanted and would be different from 99% of the Sienna's in Ont.

Too bad:cry::cry:

If You can wait.....do it...the 2011 Sienna is a new remodeled vehicle...
usually the prices go down and incentives kicks a bit later...not when the demand is high and there's no enough stock of a specific model....

wait till spring if you can and then see if you can get a better deal

[HP_John]

The broker is charging (quoting) 1500 for his service and 1500 for transport so there is 3k right there.
The other bad thing is he says he can't get better pricing than 32k for the Sienna as it is hard to find dealer's, I sent him one exactly what I wanted for 30k but he said he can't order from just anyone he has his contacts and that's their price.

If he was to drop his fees and get the better price then we could save about 6k but given there is little to no option for a dealer to sell to us up here we are screwed.

I will wait up here for a 1.9% finance deal probably closer to Dec Jan and bite the bullet.

Sucks, I was excited to think I could have a colour I wanted and would be different from 99% of the Sienna's in Ont.

Too bad:cry::cry:

Try other brokers, I'm not saying the savings will be worth it for sure on your exact car, but I think the $1500 for services is a bit much, I wouldn't pay more than $1000 for the services.

The pricing on the car is also suspiciously high, that is, claiming he can't get it less than $32000. What if he actually pays $30000 like what you told him you want, that's an extra $2000 he makes. I'm basing this off you saying you found a $30000 Sienna you wanted but he's saying you have to pay $32000 for that $30000 Sienna, unless I'm mistaken or misunderstood what you said.

[RaVo]

Did anyone deal with http://lpauto.ca/ (BC) ? They have some vehicles in stock. Looks interesting.

[skyfly]

I am prepared to buy a bmw in the states, and the dealer said that they could take the car to a bmw dealership for inspection or a third party independent inspection on my choice. I consider that the quality of inspection in a dealership would be higher, but I am afraid that there is some unknown deals between the dealer and the bmw dealership (ie, they might be friends and known each other very well, etc).which one should i choose, any suggestion to ensure there is no bias for the inspection? I wouldn't be there personally and only deal with them by phone/email. Thank you in advance.

[twilightrevenant]

I want to import a new Audi Q5, I have searched and read but I have some questions:

1. I have a brother in California, who is willing to make the out of state purchase for me. I want to pick up in Rochester. From what I've read this is okay and I won't have to pay u.s tax.

2. I called the dealer and he says that I have to keep the U.S title for 1 year before I am allowed to transfer to Canada. How do they stop me from transfering over immediately? deny me warrenty? Deny me the recall letter?

3. How do you go about doing this without the dealer knowing? I assume faxing the MCO and recall letters to custom would surely give away my plan.

I have calculated a saving of 10,000 if I am successful. this is my single largest RFD save.

[petaling108]

I dont know about Audi.
(1)But this is what happened when I purchased a new Hyundai from one state to another state,and not to Canada.

Dealer sent MCO approx. 2 months later to my relative who bought from Md. to Ky.
As the temp tag from Md was valid for 3 months, they are not in a hurry to send to another state.

Without the MCO you cannot export a new car.

(2)When I enquired about exporting a brand new Lexus RX 350 from a Markham expat salesperson in Manhattan,he told me he can sell to my relative in NYC and I have to pay NYC taxes or to Ky ,he will collect taxes also for Ky and mail the title to Ky few months later.Or I can buy almost new but used one with low kms and he can help me export directly to Canada..

[michelb]

I want to import a new Audi Q5, I have searched and read but I have some questions:

1. I have a brother in California, who is willing to make the out of state purchase for me. I want to pick up in Rochester. From what I've read this is okay and I won't have to pay u.s tax.
...

Double check but I strongly suspect that NY and CA have a tax agreement which means that your brother would likely have to be at least NY (and possibly CA taxes which I believe are higher) even if he buys in NY (i.e. dealership in NY has to collect taxes for a buyer in CA).

Don't know about the rest but I can't imagine there's anyway the can enforce that the vehicle has to stay in the US.

[shewa]

Just wanted to thank the O.P. and all contributors to this forum.
I have just completed the importation of a 2011 Subaru Outback 2.5i Limited. Thanks to this forum and the internet it was fairly straight forward. We purchased our car from Phil MENDIOLA at Hodges Subaru in Ferndale Michigan, a suburb of Detriot. Here's a break down of the costs if anyone is considering it....

Purchase price 29054 (we added some optional equipment)
Exchange 835
RIV Fee 220.35
Excise tax 100
GST 1520.17
PST 2424.26
TOTAL $ 34153.78

The same car sells for $43K in Canada. The only thing ours doesn't have that a Canadian one does is a moonroof, it's a stand alone option in the USA and we didn't bother. So it's well worth you time and efforts to save around $8000.

[akyyyy]

anyone know a toyota dealer willing to sell to a CDN in WA or OR ?

looking for a 2010 Tundra Platinum CrewMax

Are we allowed to import brand new vehicles?

[Tharnax]

Yes, as long as it is on the admissibility list on the RIV website it can be imported new or used and the Tundra is admissible.

The hardest part is finding a dealer that will sell brand new to a Canadian. In many cases to purchase new you have to have someone in the US willing to purchase the vehicle for you which unfortunately adds whatever the state taxes are to the purchase price. It is very difficult now to get MCO directly from the dealer.

[AylmerGuy]

or if you have a friend who live in the state, just get the friend to buy the car for you.

What will be the advantage of get the US friend buy for you?
Bit for a new car (I understood that is good for a new car not selling to canadians).

Will it be easier to import it after your US friend buy it?



I am looking for some Audi/BMW dealers, could you please recommend one?

thanks

[rdx]

What will be the advantage of get the US friend buy for you?
Bit for a new car (I understood that is good for a new car not selling to canadians).

Will it be easier to import it after your US friend buy it?



I am looking for some Audi/BMW dealers, could you please recommend one?

thanks

I want to know too as I have relative in California. But shipping cost from there to Buffalo is roughly US$900

[elmst200]

you'd likely to pay double California taxes, one tax is your friend pays when (s)he registers the car in California. Then you'll pay the other tax when you purchase the car from your friend.

A tax-free state might be a better venue to purchasing U.S. cars.


I want to know too as I have relative in California. But shipping cost from there to Buffalo is roughly US$900

[BrunoMG]

what service do you guys use to exchange the currency? A bank charges too much fees, I have heard of xe.com

is that the only way?

What do you do? open a bank account in US currency ?

Thank you

[rdx]

you'd likely to pay double California taxes, one tax is your friend pays when (s)he registers the car in California. Then you'll pay the other tax when you purchase the car from your friend.

A tax-free state might be a better venue to purchasing U.S. cars.

That's true. California sales tax is not cheap either. It is 8.25% + shipping. It might not worth.

But for close to new used cars (2-3 years old), they might have more choices there. Just need to make sure to avoid those "salvage title" cars, they have A LOT there. Claimed total loss but then bought and poorly fixed (cosmetic covered).

By the way, what are the tax free states?

[VANTIS]

Just wanted to thank the O.P. and all contributors to this forum.
I have just completed the importation of a 2011 Subaru Outback 2.5i Limited. Thanks to this forum and the internet it was fairly straight forward. We purchased our car from Phil MENDIOLA at Hodges Subaru in Ferndale Michigan, a suburb of Detriot. Here's a break down of the costs if anyone is considering it....

Purchase price 29054 (we added some optional equipment)
Exchange 835
RIV Fee 220.35
Excise tax 100
GST 1520.17
PST 2424.26
TOTAL $ 34153.78

The same car sells for $43K in Canada. The only thing ours doesn't have that a Canadian one does is a moonroof, it's a stand alone option in the USA and we didn't bother. So it's well worth you time and efforts to save around $8000.

I dont see how the same car is 43K in canada...i tried to justify purchacing my 2.5i sport in the states but the ACTUAL difference was less than 3300. It looks good when you compare the deal your getting (not MSRP) in the US to the canadian MSRP. The car you bought is 35795 in canada (take away 1K plus taxes for nosunroof and your at 41K. I got 9% off MSRP on my outback in canada...if you apply that to 41K OTR 38644 OTR. SO, really you saved 4500$ not including time and travel costs.

A questionable warranty, MPH Gauges, and a lower resale value in canada not worth it in my opinion...

[smacd]

What will be the advantage of get the US friend buy for you?
Bit for a new car (I understood that is good for a new car not selling to canadians).

Will it be easier to import it after your US friend buy it?



I am looking for some Audi/BMW dealers, could you please recommend one?

thanks

Best if they're in a tax free state. Then, you just have to pay registration fees, usually $300-400. It's not the importing that it makes easier, it's satisfying the dealer that he's selling to a US citizen. Toyota dealers get fined by corporate if they're selling NEW cars to Canadians. Canadian/US customs don't care what you have, as long as it has clear title and passes RIV inspection.

[Kingmoo]

I test drove a car here and and later told the dealer that was trying to close the deal via email that I'm now considering importing a US car. for 30% cheaper. He had plenty to say about the downfalls of such a thing but the one that stood out was that the resale value here is considerable less. How true is this?

[brendonp]

I test drove a car here and and later told the dealer that was trying to close the deal via email that I'm now considering importing a US car. for 30% cheaper. He had plenty to say about the downfalls of such a thing but the one that stood out was that the resale value here is considerable less. How true is this?

Varies with the car; I sold our Mini Cooper S for the same price I bought it for two years after purchasing in the US. It was closer to the bottom of the list in the AutoTrader (probably in the bottom quarter of the vehicles), but still thousands of dollars more then other ones; we did keep it in very clean condition and the mileage was also at the lower end (for the age); I'm sure a similar car would have commanded a few thousand more dollars in Canada, but no where near the savings on the purchase price.

If you are really getting a 30% better deal (likely only available on near-lux/lux vehicles), you won't have any issue on the resale - yes, it may be a bit lower, but even if it is 30% lower, it's still cheaper then buying in Canada! The key is doing a proper evaluation of the purchase price - I've seen a lot of posts hear comparing MSRP+ in Canada with whatever deal is struck in the US - it's just not an accurate comparison, and the savings simply isn't as great as the poster believes... That being said, I'm looking for two newish vehicles in the next year - and unless something crazy occurs, they'll both be from the US....

[elmst200]

There is a post in this thread which lists the tax-free states. I can only remember some of tax free states:
new hampshire
oregan
alaska


That's true. California sales tax is not cheap either. It is 8.25% + shipping. It might not worth.

But for close to new used cars (2-3 years old), they might have more choices there. Just need to make sure to avoid those "salvage title" cars, they have A LOT there. Claimed total loss but then bought and poorly fixed (cosmetic covered).

By the way, what are the tax free states?

[rdx]

There is a post in this thread which lists the tax-free states. I can only remember some of tax free states:
new hampshire
oregan
alaska

Thanks. I think most of RFDers in east coast bought the car from NY or Michigan

By the way, is anyone interested in the Lexus CT200H coming this fall? Maybe we can arrange a groupbuy.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I dont see how the same car is 43K in canada...i tried to justify purchacing my 2.5i sport in the states but the ACTUAL difference was less than 3300. It looks good when you compare the deal your getting (not MSRP) in the US to the canadian MSRP. The car you bought is 35795 in canada (take away 1K plus taxes for nosunroof and your at 41K. I got 9% off MSRP on my outback in canada...if you apply that to 41K OTR 38644 OTR. SO, really you saved 4500$ not including time and travel costs.

A questionable warranty, MPH Gauges, and a lower resale value in canada not worth it in my opinion...

What?

When's the last time you shopped for a used car in Canada?

Two of my local Toronto dealerships have about 20% of their used inventory from the US.

Coincidentally a co-worker just bought a Nissan Xterra from a Toronto dealer and it too is a US-source vehicle. There is NO lower resale value. It was selling for the same price points as a Canadian-source vehicle. The dealer was up front with him and told him the selection of used cars is so much better in the US that Canadian dealers are bringing them over in droves.

The resale myth is just that. People will buy a used car based on mileage and condition. A US-vehicle will not deter 90% of the buying public unless the cars are identical with the same options, condition and mileage.

Even when "shewa" shows a $4500 saving, the non-perceived lower resale value won't be an issue since he's got an extra $4500 in his wallet to buy nice gifts for his family (instead of the dealer's).

[shaolinmonk]

I dont see how the same car is 43K in canada...i tried to justify purchacing my 2.5i sport in the states but the ACTUAL difference was less than 3300. It looks good when you compare the deal your getting (not MSRP) in the US to the canadian MSRP. The car you bought is 35795 in canada (take away 1K plus taxes for nosunroof and your at 41K. I got 9% off MSRP on my outback in canada...if you apply that to 41K OTR 38644 OTR. SO, really you saved 4500$ not including time and travel costs.

A questionable warranty, MPH Gauges, and a lower resale value in canada not worth it in my opinion...

even a savings of $4K is worth it for quick trip into the US.. the deals aren't as hot as before.. I saved ~$15K when i bought my outback back in 2008 but either way $4K can buy you a decent vacation..

[BillyBob-]

Anyone could suggest a canadian friendly Subaru dealer near Montreal?

[Monsieurmaggot]

even a savings of $4K is worth it for quick trip into the US.. the deals aren't as hot as before.. I saved ~$15K when i bought my outback back in 2008 but either way $4K can buy you a decent vacation..

That's is isn't it? I don't know if this is a good thing (I suppose it is). I saved about $18,000 when I imported my Subaru in 2007. The pricing in Canada has dropped considerably thanks to the strong Canadian dollar but there are still lots of deals to be had.

I found the pricing of a 2010 Acadia to be roughly the same in both countries when you factored in the rediculous GM Canada rebates that are now offered.

I'm currently sourcing a VW for a friend. Some of those prices are about $7500 apart.

The PDI difference is a crock and is a money grab regardless where you buy your car. As it was pointed out to me, name one other product that charges you for a pre-delivery inspection.

Imagine buying a house and being told that before they give you the keys, they want to charge you to ensure that everything is cleaned and working properly.

[jeffabby]

I dont see how the same car is 43K in canada...i tried to justify purchacing my 2.5i sport in the states but the ACTUAL difference was less than 3300. It looks good when you compare the deal your getting (not MSRP) in the US to the canadian MSRP. The car you bought is 35795 in canada (take away 1K plus taxes for nosunroof and your at 41K. I got 9% off MSRP on my outback in canada...if you apply that to 41K OTR 38644 OTR. SO, really you saved 4500$ not including time and travel costs.

A questionable warranty, MPH Gauges, and a lower resale value in canada not worth it in my opinion...

I purchased a top level 08 3.0 Outback in Oct 07. The savings seem to have narrowed a bit since then but they're still significant.

Re warranty - after almost 3 years of warranty life, the only thing questionable I can find is why the CDN warranty isn't as good as the US one for cars coming out of the same plant. I had work completed at my local CDn dealer and reimbursed by Subaru US that isn't covered in Canada - ex: wear and tear on brakes/rotors - Cdn dealer flat out said would not be covered for Cdn vehicle yet Subaru of America covers it. In 3 years (5 claims, nothing major) I never had work covered by Cdn warranty turned down by Subaru of America - I did have to wait a month for the cheque once.

Re lower resale value - I can only speak for the St. John's area but I recently "shopped" the car at a local non-Subaru dealer (curiosity more than anything else) and the trade in was above Cdn comparable black book - and St. John's is booming- dealers aren't having a problem moving new cars here.

[psmac1]

Great thread thanks to all who have contributed.
I'm thinking about getting a used Mini Cooper S 2006 - 2009.

The question is before I start doing the research has anyone successfully recently (last 6 months) imported a US Mini without paying BMW Canada for the recall letter & modifications (all seem simple and easily handled either myself or via independent garages).

However RIV's site seems extremely definitive that you need to "pay-off" BMW Canada.

Quote:
Note 1: BMW Canada informed Transport Canada that ALL modifications MUST be performed (and documented) by an authorized BMW Canada or MINI retailer and must be completed before a recall clearance letter can be issued by BMW Group Canada. Contact an authorized Canadian retailer for information on exact nature and costs of modifications required. Modifications vary by model and may be expensive.

Note 2: Modifications may include: daytime running lights and metric odometer and speedometer labels.

Visit MINI Canada's website at www.mini.ca for detailed contact information on retailers in Canada, as well as information on U.S. vehicle importation.

Since the selection is better in the U.S. I'm happy to consider importing but this looks like a hassle which is why BMW Canada is doing it.

Any feedback is appreciated.

Thanks.

[bigjee]

Hi.
I was wondering if the kind folks here could help me with a question.

I plan on driving a vehicle from the US to the border and after having it cleared i would like it shipped to have it shipped to Winnipeg.

does anyone know any services out there that transport your car in a responsible and safe manner within Canada?

The reason I want to have it shipped from the border after it is cleared is that I want to go through the entire procedure of importing vehicles cos I want to learn.

Thanks in advance.

[shopper-X]

Hi.
I was wondering if the kind folks here could help me with a question.

I plan on driving a vehicle from the US to the border and after having it cleared i would like it shipped to have it shipped to Winnipeg.

does anyone know any services out there that transport your car in a responsible and safe manner within Canada?

The reason I want to have it shipped from the border after it is cleared is that I want to go through the entire procedure of importing vehicles cos I want to learn.

Thanks in advance.

A&A Brokerage provides a service. I used them back in 2007 and it cost around $400. I shipped it via a 3rd party.

[brian.gerson]

Great thread thanks to all who have contributed.
I'm thinking about getting a used Mini Cooper S 2006 - 2009.

The question is before I start doing the research has anyone successfully recently (last 6 months) imported a US Mini without paying BMW Canada for the recall letter & modifications (all seem simple and easily handled either myself or via independent garages).

However RIV's site seems extremely definitive that you need to "pay-off" BMW Canada.


I haven't actually imported one, but I've looked into it extensively.

The trick with BMW/Mini is that you have to get a warranty inquiry screen printed out and stamped by an authorized dealer to show that no recalls are pending. Make this a condition of the sale. If you are successful in getting it, you do not need to talk to BMW/Mini at all as RIV will accept it. Of course, you'll have to return the car to the US to get warranty work done.

You will notice that 2007+ Minis have only mph on the dial; this isn't a problem as part of the RIV fee includes kph stickers if necessary.

Good luck!

[bigjee]

A&A Brokerage provides a service. I used them back in 2007 and it cost around $400. I shipped it via a 3rd party.

I don't really need a broker since I'm importing it myself.

[ambajay]

anyone know a toyota dealer willing to sell to a CDN in WA or OR ?

looking for a 2010 Tundra Platinum CrewMax

Are we allowed to import brand new vehicles?

Here's what one Montana Toyota dealer answered my email inquiry of buying a new 2010 Highlander from it. I had even suggested using the services of rjmbc and his method of exportlng the car to Canada.

Quote: I'm sorry to say that if we believe its going to canada we can not do it. Toyota expects us to do our dudiligance and check that kind of stuff out, there is a known exporter list that we have to check our customers against also.
We would love to earn your business but if it is going to be exported we just can't. Would you be interested in a used one?

[outdoor75]

Hi,

Does anyone know a bank that would finance me. Have a VW Rabbit that is still being financed with VW credit is US..they will not finance me if I am in Canada. I'm a US and Canadian Citizen.

Kind of lost as to what to do...Canada considers me a clean slate with no credit history..so no loan there.

Any suggestions. ?? Someone had mentioned Canadian Banks doing US loans..how about the other way around??

Thanks very much!:confused:

[jed]

Check with VW Canada credit? Explain your circumstances and see what they say.

[YoungDr3amer]

I have less than a week to purchase a car, my little sister is off to university so I'm handing over my current Civic. The only cars I'm currently interested in are Hyundai Sonata, Honda CR-Z and Nissan Leaf (yes I know it's unavailable at the moment).

My question is, is it possible to purchase any of these new cars in Buffalo, Niagara Falls, New York?

Would it be feasible to get my cousin to purchase it, then I would repurchase the vehicle off him?

I've been reading several pages of posts, it doesn't seem that complicated but am I missing something significant?

EDIT:

I know you have to pay the 5% at the border and the remaining 8% at MTO, I'm unsure if Honda will specifically offer warranties (non-extensive) outside of United States, and the resale value doesn't affect me, I'm not planning to resell any of cars, ever.

The CRZ starts around 19,000 in comparison to 24, 200 in local Mississauga dealerships. That's over $5,000 before charges (freight, PDI, taxes) etc. I would also have to factor in paying states tax which is 4%. Is it easily worth it after all the taxes and additional charges?

Do I even need a warranty? My uncle owns a local repair shop and it's a brand new car, and I also own a CAA membership card.

[jzy]

Has anyone submitted any reimbursements to Subaru of America recently? I had to get both the battery and the alternator replaced last month. It's been a month and a half and I'm still waiting for the cheque.:(

[djveloce]

wow, thats crazy

[ashfamily]

Having searched through the forum, I haven't found the exact answer I need and would appreciate any advice. Considering importing my 4th u.s. vehicle, so very familiar with the process. This time, I'd like to import a 2011 Toyota Sienna, but of course difficult or impossible to find a dealer to sell one new to Canadians. My scenario is this: I have a sister living in New Hampshire. Buying a vehicle there is nice because it is close to NB where I live, and there is no state sales tax. If she were to buy it, and register it in NH, there is a sizeable "property tax" that is paid on the vehicle, around 2-3% of the selling price. That might be worth just paying and taking the tax hit. I'm wondering, when buying NEW from a dealer, what would a local buyer actually get for paperwork? Is it an MCO, that they take to register themselves, or does the dealership do the registration for the car, and the buyer then goes and gets plates. If I can get just the MCO, if it is assigned to my sister, is there someplace on the back where it can be reassigned to me, or does the car have to be registered, plated, and then an official title issued before I can get it signed over? Anybody with personal experience with this, please chime in. Even better, if you know a U.S. toyota dealer who will sell new to Cdns, please pm me. I've called dealers throughout the southern states, east and west, and same answer, "NO". I did see broker posts here, from rmjbc and others, and that might be a possibility too.

Hi: I am also looking to import a new 2011 Sienna but am having little luck finding a cooperative dealer. Any advice on your experience would be much appreciated.

[setell]

Hi folks!

I'm doing preliminary research to see how much it'll cost to import a 2011 impreza STI sedan vs buying it locally. Besides Van Bortal in NY and Subaru Keene in NH is there any other Subaru dealers that are close to the borders in the Toronto/Ottawa area fellow RFD'ers will vouch for? If we're going to import I rather import from a dealer that has a bit of experience so that the process is easier for us first timers. Also, I'm not 100% sure but I couldn't find it in my thread search but if I buy it in say NY state will I pay US sales tax? Or as a Canadian will I be exempt from it? If I have to pay state tax then I will stay away from NY as that's extra costs I want to avoid. My fiancee says a big thanks to you guys for the help now and in the future as he's going to finally get his dream car and will have a lot of questions (been waiting for the STI to be a sedan again!) :D

[rgc97]

Hi folks!

I'm doing preliminary research to see how much it'll cost to import a 2011 impreza STI sedan vs buying it locally. Besides Van Bortal in NY and Subaru Keene in NH is there any other Subaru dealers that are close to the borders in the Toronto/Ottawa area fellow RFD'ers will vouch for? If we're going to import I rather import from a dealer that has a bit of experience so that the process is easier for us first timers. Also, I'm not 100% sure but I couldn't find it in my thread search but if I buy it in say NY state will I pay US sales tax? Or as a Canadian will I be exempt from it? If I have to pay state tax then I will stay away from NY as that's extra costs I want to avoid. My fiancee says a big thanks to you guys for the help now and in the future as he's going to finally get his dream car and will have a lot of questions (been waiting for the STI to be a sedan again!) :D

VB is a no brainer for anyone in Ontario. Just e-mail Karl. Got my WRX there this past March (had to wait almost 6 months for it -- WRX Premiums were in short supply). He looks after all the paperwork for you, so all you do is drop by US Customs at the border as you leave to get the export stamp. My additional charges were: NYS Inspection $10, Dealer Processing Fee $75, Registration Fee $12.50, NY Tire Recycle $12.50. Paid dealer invoice less $300. Took me about 22 hours after crossing the border to have ONT plates on my car (paid PST, GST, Duty, etc.). A very pleasant experience.

Last year there wasn't much savings on the STI (but there was on the WRX). So you'll want to carefully compare US vs Cdn pricing.

Enjoy the STI!

[crayzin]

Hey guys ... there used to be a site - No longer works :( http://borderdeals.ca/2007/11/01/duty-free-vehicles/ that listed all of the duty free vehicles, is there another site that has this list? I would like to see a full list to see which eligible cars there are.

I was hoping for a full list, instead of trying to figure out the VIN numbers for the different cars and models, could take some time, lol

[askme]

Hi folks!

I'm doing preliminary research to see how much it'll cost to import a 2011 impreza STI sedan vs buying it locally. Besides Van Bortal in NY and Subaru Keene in NH is there any other Subaru dealers that are close to the borders in the Toronto/Ottawa area fellow RFD'ers will vouch for? If we're going to import I rather import from a dealer that has a bit of experience so that the process is easier for us first timers. Also, I'm not 100% sure but I couldn't find it in my thread search but if I buy it in say NY state will I pay US sales tax? Or as a Canadian will I be exempt from it? If I have to pay state tax then I will stay away from NY as that's extra costs I want to avoid. My fiancee says a big thanks to you guys for the help now and in the future as he's going to finally get his dream car and will have a lot of questions (been waiting for the STI to be a sedan again!) :D

I ordered my Subaru Outback just about 1 month ago and it should be arriving this Friday. I've ordered mine in Cleveland. The reason why I ended up going with this dealership over Van Bortel was lower price, better service, and I have friends living in Cleveland.
The price I got from this dealership was lower than Van Bortel's. Also, keep in mind Van Bortel as of last month implemented a new $500 fee for all export vehicles, there is also $127 for registration. So if you order from Van Bortel the price will be exactly what you see on their web site + $500 + $127. At the border you will pay 5% portion of the HST on CAN $ amount of the purchase price (it will be converted at the border), plus roughly 6% import duty, plus $100 AC tax plus $220 RIV fee. Once you are in Ontario and go on to register it you will pay another 8% portion of the tax, and that right there is most of your cost.

Also, Van Bortel wait time for new Outback was up to 3 months, while this dealership was able to get me one built from factory in 1 month. Van Bortel is a high volume dealer so they dont care as much if you buy there or not, and no part of any cost is negotiable, but since Karl sold many cars to Canadians he is well aware of the process and there should be no surprises with the import.

Hope this helps :)

[goodzyk]

Hi - have a friend looking to import a 2007 mdx and the riv folks have been a little vague on what they will accept nowadays for recal clearance...
The RIV website doenst cover off the acura owners link option that I used a couple of years ago on my process....any recent acura importers out there to give
some direction -
and any additional info regards to engine immobolizer eligibility? Help appreciated.

[VANTIS]

Has anyone submitted any reimbursements to Subaru of America recently? I had to get both the battery and the alternator replaced last month. It's been a month and a half and I'm still waiting for the cheque.:(

And the number 1 reason for buying my 2010 Outback locally here in Oakville is....:arrowu:

[LVC70]

And the number 1 reason for buying my 2010 Outback locally here in Oakville is....:arrowu:

So I guess the $3,000 plus savings on the US purchase are more than offset by a delay in paying this warranty claim???? Give me a break!

[askme]

So I guess the $3,000 plus savings on the US purchase are more than offset by a delay in paying this warranty claim???? Give me a break!

I`m actually not sure where you get $3000 savings from, those savings might be there on a loaded civic. I`m getting my 2011 Outback from Ohio, purchase price $25900, with all fees and everything Im looking at 30k all in. In Canada same model (discounted) would go for over 38k. So I`m saving 8k on a 26k car :)))
For a 3k savings I might have not bothered but for 8k savings (25% or so) it`s well worth to visit my friends and pick up the vehicle from States.

[RoninTech]

Anyone know what the deal is with imported VW's and warranty these days? I'm interested in a new Golf TDI and am looking to save $ but want the warranty.

[Sloan55]

Hi - have a friend looking to import a 2007 mdx and the riv folks have been a little vague on what they will accept nowadays for recal clearance...
The RIV website doenst cover off the acura owners link option that I used a couple of years ago on my process....any recent acura importers out there to give
some direction -
and any additional info regards to engine immobolizer eligibility? Help appreciated.

RIV checks Honda and Acura recalsl on your behalf. It is done through the Honda and Acura website. You would be wise to check it before you import it, that way if there are recalls, you can get them taken care of. Just go to acura.com and click on owners link (or something similiar). You set yourself up an account, enter your vin and there is a section to check on recalls. That is it

[Sloan55]

Anyone know what the deal is with imported VW's and warranty these days? I'm interested in a new Golf TDI and am looking to save $ but want the warranty.

No warranty on 2009+ vehicles. 2008 and older still carry warranty.

[Monsieurmaggot]

And the number 1 reason for buying my 2010 Outback locally here in Oakville is....

...and enjoying your a new 100-inch plasma.

Buying a Subaru Outback WILL ALWAYS be considerably cheaper in the US as long as Subascrew Canada keeps providing the 100-inch plasma incentives to their Canadian dealers (you know something like that is happening).

It was only after the bad press (and thanks to reports like mine that appeared on national news) that the Subaru MSRP dropped - slightly. They still have the "how much will the market bear" mentality.

I drove into the Oakville importers showroom a few years ago and they were still pocketing (profiting) in the $5k+ range from unsuspecting Canadian consumers. Shame on them.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I ordered my Subaru Outback just about 1 month ago and it should be arriving this Friday. I've ordered mine in Cleveland. The reason why I ended up going with this dealership over Van Bortel was lower price, better service, and I have friends living in Cleveland.
The price I got from this dealership was lower than Van Bortel's. Also, keep in mind Van Bortel as of last month implemented a new $500 fee for all export vehicles, there is also $127 for registration. So if you order from Van Bortel the price will be exactly what you see on their web site + $500 + $127. At the border you will pay 5% portion of the HST on CAN $ amount of the purchase price (it will be converted at the border), plus roughly 6% import duty, plus $100 AC tax plus $220 RIV fee. Once you are in Ontario and go on to register it you will pay another 8% portion of the tax, and that right there is most of your cost.

Also, Van Bortel wait time for new Outback was up to 3 months, while this dealership was able to get me one built from factory in 1 month. Van Bortel is a high volume dealer so they dont care as much if you buy there or not, and no part of any cost is negotiable, but since Karl sold many cars to Canadians he is well aware of the process and there should be no surprises with the import.

Hope this helps :)

I noticed that even my NY dealer increased their pricing by a few hundred bucks to Canadians. No worries, with the economy the way it is there, simply go further inland. My buddy saved an extra couple of grand off an Infiniti by shopping in NYC.

Also to correct your statement, there is NO DUTY on Subaru Outbacks. Your math is wrong.

There's no duty on Legacy or the Tribeca.

There IS DUTY on the Forester and Impreza.

[askme]

I noticed that even my NY dealer increased their pricing by a few hundred bucks to Canadians. No worries, with the economy the way it is there, simply go further inland. My buddy saved an extra couple of grand off an Infiniti by shopping in NYC.

Also to correct your statement, there is NO DUTY on Subaru Outbacks. Your math is wrong.

There's no duty on Legacy or the Tribeca.

There IS DUTY on the Forester and Impreza.

Yes, I'm fully aware that Outbacks and legacys have no duty. That post was in response to 'settel':
"I'm doing preliminary research to see how much it'll cost to import a 2011 impreza STI sedan vs buying it locally"

So, I broke the fees down for her incl. import duty as it is STI.. but yeah, it got mixed up with my purchase so I guess I should have been more clear :)

[elmst200]

Is warranty on pre-owned U.S. Toyotas valid in Canada? Is the warranty based on U.S. terms of Canadian terms? e.g. the U.S. warranty is 3 years 60,000 miles whereas the Canadian warranty for the same vehicle would be 3 years 60,000 kms. Which warranty would one get when a vehicle if imported to Canada?

Are there any difference in warrant for pre-owned U.S. toyotas purchased from Toyota U.S. dealers or from private sale in the U.S. or from U.S. dealers of other brands?

[VANTIS]

So I guess the $3,000 plus savings on the US purchase are more than offset by a delay in paying this warranty claim???? Give me a break!

Well, that, plus time/travel costs/cost of borrowing/lower resale value (mph)/etc.

the math just didnt work for me...savings was well below the 3K mark for my 2.5i sport...and would have been negated by the cost of a car loan at a bank vs. financing...

and for those saying ther is an 8K savings...:confused:

[VANTIS]

...and enjoying your a new 100-inch plasma.



thats funny!! my 103 inch plasma was 15K!

[VANTIS]

I`m actually not sure where you get $3000 savings from, those savings might be there on a loaded civic. I`m getting my 2010 Outback from Ohio, purchase price $25900, with all fees and everything Im looking at 30k all in. In Canada same model (discounted) would go for over 38k. So I`m saving 8k on a 26k car :)))
For a 3k savings I might have not bothered but for 8k savings (25% or so) it`s well worth to visit my friends and pick up the vehicle from States.

what model are you getting?? There is NO WAY you are saving 8K unless you are getting it fully loaded to the tits which judging by your purchase price your not.

[smacd]

Is warranty on pre-owned U.S. Toyotas valid in Canada? Is the warranty based on U.S. terms of Canadian terms? e.g. the U.S. warranty is 3 years 60,000 miles whereas the Canadian warranty for the same vehicle would be 3 years 60,000 kms. Which warranty would one get when a vehicle if imported to Canada?

If you buy a US Toyota, you will get a US warranty, which is honoured at Toyota dealers in the USA, Canada, and Mexico.

US Toyata warranties are usually 3 years or 36,000 miles bumper to bumper, and 5 years or 60,000 miles powertrain. IE, the same as in Canada.

[askme]

what model are you getting?? There is NO WAY you are saving 8K unless you are getting it fully loaded to the tits which judging by your purchase price your not.

Ok, I'm not sure may be there is NO WAY you can save up to $8k on this vehicle but I can.

Here's the best I can break it down:

First of all I don't need to finance, if I did, I wouldnt shop in States.
Second, my primary income is in US$ and over the last 6 months I've been converting them to CAN$ at around par, may be slightly better. Currently as I type CAN$ is around 97 cents US, so for me in general it's 1 to 1 ratio (after spread I have to pay on conversion).. even if there is difference on 26k it's very small, and only few months ago CAN$ reached and surpassed parity again.. though it was brief (for now).

My purchase price from dealership in States to be exact is $25900 (including Freight and PDI). HST of 13% = $3340 at exchange rate of 1.03 (which is current at the moment) + $100 AC tax, + $220 RIV fee. If you add it all up = $29560 all in. But ok, let me add another $400 or so just for the sake of it and we'll say 30k all in.

Now my vehicle HAS ALLLL THE FEATURES OF 2011 OUTBACK SPORT + THE FOLLOWING FEAUTURES WHICH ARE EXTRA:

- PZEV (which is $700 option in Canada)
- Back up Camera (not available on Canadian models.. easily another $500 or so value)
- Tweeter kit (only $130 option or so in Canada)
- TPMS (not available on Canadian models)
- HomeLink (not available on Canadian models)
- Rear cargo net, all weather mats (another $150 or so combined)

Now, When I started looking to buy a new Outback towards end of July/beginning of August I went to a few dealerships, test drove one, and negotiated on the price here in Canada. 2011s were barely being discounted, 2010s had a small cashback incentive, but I only wanted 2011 since I'm purchasing one for the future, besides 2010 sport in Canada had crappy options..

Now down to the numbers. At MSRP price 2011 Outback sport built online on Subaru.ca is priced at:
$37,764.60
my upgrades which are extra: at the very least $2000 extra (incl taxes)
total price of close to 40k.

Now that is MSRP price, and even though 2011s were not discounted at all and there are no rebates on 2011s (especially when I placed an order on mine over a month ago) we all know that delaerships purchase them on average 8-9% below MSRP. So considering you do some good shopping around you will get your 6% off MSRP at best! In which case you'll still end up with the total price of close to 38k.

So without any bull or hidden costs added to it there is my 38k-30k=8k savings on a 26k car = over 25% or so :)

[I RFD]

Hi

I am looking to import a used vehicle from the US.

I took a look at this thread: http://forums.redflagdeals.com/how-buy-your-next-vehicle-us-save-thousands-477998/

It states to send the DMV title to the border office 72 hours ahead of time. Is this necessary, and why? Do I need to send it ahead of time at all, if so why and why 72 hours and not 6, 12, 24 etc..

I am asking because I will only have the title assigned to my name when I actually buy the vehicle, which is when I am physically at the used car dealership in the US. Naturally I dont want to spend 72 hours in the US if I dont have to.

Thanks in advance :)

[canadaflag]

Looking to buy a new Suburu Legacy 2.5i GT with Navigation and I am looking of help.

Seems like there is no duty on this car.

Where would the best place be to buy from?

Any help would be appreciated, trying to figure out what kind of savings I might get.

Can buy here for CDN $42,000 tax's in.

(I am working my way through all the posts to try to figure it out myself but it's going to take me some time.)

Thanks!

[smacd]

Hi

I am looking to import a used vehicle from the US.

I took a look at this thread: http://forums.redflagdeals.com/how-buy-your-next-vehicle-us-save-thousands-477998/

It states to send the DMV title to the border office 72 hours ahead of time. Is this necessary, and why? Do I need to send it ahead of time at all, if so why and why 72 hours and not 6, 12, 24 etc..

I am asking because I will only have the title assigned to my name when I actually buy the vehicle, which is when I am physically at the used car dealership in the US. Naturally I dont want to spend 72 hours in the US if I dont have to.

Thanks in advance :)

You will be sending the DMV title to the US side at the border. They use the time (72 hours) to clear the car for export. During this time, they make sure the title has no liens against it, isn't stolen, etc. There's no way around this rule, other than breaking US law and exporting the vehicle illegally.

[diigii]

You, my friend, are one of the enlightened ones who know how to shop and compare. Monsieurmaggot will be very, very proud of you. He might be tearing up right now. :lol:

That's what I exactly did when I shopped for my car. Congratulations on your savings! That was easy, isn't it? If only some people put in the time and effort in researching, they will be rewarded.

And then, there are those people who still try their best to disagree with you. It's sad, really. :confused:tsk tsk tsk


Ok, I'm not sure may be there is NO WAY you can save up to $8k on this vehicle but I can.

Here's the best I can break it down:

First of all I don't need to finance, if I did, I wouldnt shop in States.
Second, my primary income is in US$ and over the last 6 months I've been converting them to CAN$ at around par, may be slightly better. Currently as I type CAN$ is around 97 cents US, so for me in general it's 1 to 1 ratio (after spread I have to pay on conversion).. even if there is difference on 26k it's very small, and only few months ago CAN$ reached and surpassed parity again.. though it was brief (for now).

My purchase price from dealership in States to be exact is $25900 (including Freight and PDI). HST of 13% = $3340 at exchange rate of 1.03 (which is current at the moment) + $100 AC tax, + $220 RIV fee. If you add it all up = $29560 all in. But ok, let me add another $400 or so just for the sake of it and we'll say 30k all in.

Now my vehicle HAS ALLLL THE FEATURES OF 2011 OUTBACK SPORT + THE FOLLOWING FEAUTURES WHICH ARE EXTRA:

- PZEV (which is $700 option in Canada)
- Back up Camera (not available on Canadian models.. easily another $500 or so value)
- Tweeter kit (only $130 option or so in Canada)
- TPMS (not available on Canadian models)
- HomeLink (not available on Canadian models)
- Rear cargo net, all weather mats (another $150 or so combined)

Now, When I started looking to buy a new Outback towards end of July/beginning of August I went to a few dealerships, test drove one, and negotiated on the price here in Canada. 2011s were barely being discounted, 2010s had a small cashback incentive, but I only wanted 2011 since I'm purchasing one for the future, besides 2010 sport in Canada had crappy options..

Now down to the numbers. At MSRP price 2011 Outback sport built online on Subaru.ca is priced at:
$37,764.60
my upgrades which are extra: at the very least $2000 extra (incl taxes)
total price of close to 40k.

Now that is MSRP price, and even though 2011s were not discounted at all and there are no rebates on 2011s (especially when I placed an order on mine over a month ago) we all know that delaerships purchase them on average 8-9% below MSRP. So considering you do some good shopping around you will get your 6% off MSRP at best! In which case you'll still end up with the total price of close to 38k.

So without any bull or hidden costs added to it there is my 38k-30k=8k savings on a 26k car = over 25% or so :)

[diigii]

Please refer to askme's story if you are interested in his $8K savings. You might like to send him a message and ask him for his dealership. I'm sure he'll be glad to help you out.


Looking to buy a new Suburu Legacy 2.5i GT with Navigation and I am looking of help.

Seems like there is no duty on this car.

Where would the best place be to buy from?

Any help would be appreciated, trying to figure out what kind of savings I might get.

Can buy here for CDN $42,000 tax's in.

(I am working my way through all the posts to try to figure it out myself but it's going to take me some time.)

Thanks!

[VANTIS]

Ok, I'm not sure may be there is NO WAY you can save up to $8k on this vehicle but I can.

Here's the best I can break it down:

First of all I don't need to finance, if I did, I wouldnt shop in States.
Second, my primary income is in US$ and over the last 6 months I've been converting them to CAN$ at around par, may be slightly better. Currently as I type CAN$ is around 97 cents US, so for me in general it's 1 to 1 ratio (after spread I have to pay on conversion).. even if there is difference on 26k it's very small, and only few months ago CAN$ reached and surpassed parity again.. though it was brief (for now).

My purchase price from dealership in States to be exact is $25900 (including Freight and PDI). HST of 13% = $3340 at exchange rate of 1.03 (which is current at the moment) + $100 AC tax, + $220 RIV fee. If you add it all up = $29560 all in. But ok, let me add another $400 or so just for the sake of it and we'll say 30k all in.

Now my vehicle HAS ALLLL THE FEATURES OF 2011 OUTBACK SPORT + THE FOLLOWING FEAUTURES WHICH ARE EXTRA:

- PZEV (which is $700 option in Canada)
- Back up Camera (not available on Canadian models.. easily another $500 or so value)
- Tweeter kit (only $130 option or so in Canada)
- TPMS (not available on Canadian models)
- HomeLink (not available on Canadian models)
- Rear cargo net, all weather mats (another $150 or so combined)

Now, When I started looking to buy a new Outback towards end of July/beginning of August I went to a few dealerships, test drove one, and negotiated on the price here in Canada. 2011s were barely being discounted, 2010s had a small cashback incentive, but I only wanted 2011 since I'm purchasing one for the future, besides 2010 sport in Canada had crappy options..

Now down to the numbers. At MSRP price 2011 Outback sport built online on Subaru.ca is priced at:
$37,764.60
my upgrades which are extra: at the very least $2000 extra (incl taxes)
total price of close to 40k.

Now that is MSRP price, and even though 2011s were not discounted at all and there are no rebates on 2011s (especially when I placed an order on mine over a month ago) we all know that delaerships purchase them on average 8-9% below MSRP. So considering you do some good shopping around you will get your 6% off MSRP at best! In which case you'll still end up with the total price of close to 38k.

So without any bull or hidden costs added to it there is my 38k-30k=8k savings on a 26k car = over 25% or so :)

Again, a us DEAL compared to canadian MSRP...i got my 2010 sport for 30100+ (could have got the same for a 2011 but the finacing was 2% cheaper, and there is essentially no difference)

You say you get extra options (better than crappy canadian options) like TPMS (usless), homelink (useless) and bought a tweeter kit (?)? but the US model lacks blueconnect, media hub and sunroof!! Ive only had my car for a month and love all 3 of those options...

Anyways, point being, you may have saved some coin, but you are still comparing apples to oranges. They are not the same car...sunroof/blueconnect/media hub adds about 3K to the car! There is NO WAY you save 8K!:razz:

[askme]

Again, a us DEAL compared to canadian MSRP...i got my 2010 sport for 30100+ (could have got the same for a 2011 but the finacing was 2% cheaper, and there is essentially no difference)

You say you get extra options (better than crappy canadian options) like TPMS (usless), homelink (useless) and bought a tweeter kit (?)? but the US model lacks blueconnect, media hub and sunroof!! Ive only had my car for a month and love all 3 of those options...

Anyways, point being, you may have saved some coin, but you are still comparing apples to oranges. They are not the same car...sunroof/blueconnect/media hub adds about 3K to the car! There is NO WAY you save 8K!:razz:

Well, you OBVIOUSLY didnt read my post and keep on making TOTALY INVALID points lol

When I said that my car is EXACTLY the same as 2011 outback sport (not including my extra upgrades) I meant it. You obviously dont know that since I have a back up camera, I DO HAVE sunroof.. Now in Canada (again) you can only get back up camera with navigation.. Oh and I DO HAVE blueconnect too.. it was a necessary option for me.

Further AT NO POINT did I compare Canadian MSRP (which was 40k) to my US price.. I clearly stated that you can knock off 2k off msrp here in Canada on 2011 (and whether you believe me or not 2k is MAX! on 2011 right now).. I also DID STATE that 2010s had a cashback incentive because it is now a year old model, and speaking of resale value I THINK 2011 model will have a better resale value than 2010.. lol

So if certain feautures such as Back up camera, PZEV, HomeLink, Tweeter kit dont mean anything to you doesnt mean they mean nothing to me, nor are they useless or hold no extra value lol.. I will agree with you only on 1 thing, that TPMS on the most part is uselless, but it is an extra feauture nevertheless.

In any case I personally dont give a damn if ppl wanna buy overpriced outbacks here in Canada... really makes no difference to me lol.. my only point was that I (and again IIIIIIIIIII) saved 8k on a car that costs less than 26k in States.

[askme]

You, my friend, are one of the enlightened ones who know how to shop and compare. Monsieurmaggot will be very, very proud of you. He might be tearing up right now. :lol:

That's what I exactly did when I shopped for my car. Congratulations on your savings! That was easy, isn't it? If only some people put in the time and effort in researching, they will be rewarded.

And then, there are those people who still try their best to disagree with you. It's sad, really. :confused:tsk tsk tsk

Thanks diigii!

Actually going to visit my friends in Cleveland and pick up my new Outback next week. I'm also impressed that in only 1 month these guys were able to get my Outback built from factory exactly to my specifications.. usually wait time is up to 3 months on custom built Oubtack.

[askme]

Looking to buy a new Suburu Legacy 2.5i GT with Navigation and I am looking of help.

Seems like there is no duty on this car.

Where would the best place be to buy from?

Any help would be appreciated, trying to figure out what kind of savings I might get.

Can buy here for CDN $42,000 tax's in.

(I am working my way through all the posts to try to figure it out myself but it's going to take me some time.)

Thanks!

Well, Van Bortel's online quote for this exact car with Navigation is $31,351 in US$ (http://www.vanbortelsubaru.com/BuildYourCar.asp)

HST will be on top of that... and there is no duty on this car. You'll still save a boat compared to your Canadian 42k all in.

Remember that quote is on 2011 legacy gt, not 2010

[LVC70]

I`m actually not sure where you get $3000 savings from, those savings might be there on a loaded civic. I`m getting my 2011 Outback from Ohio, purchase price $25900, with all fees and everything Im looking at 30k all in. In Canada same model (discounted) would go for over 38k. So I`m saving 8k on a 26k car :)))
For a 3k savings I might have not bothered but for 8k savings (25% or so) it`s well worth to visit my friends and pick up the vehicle from States.

I was only using $3,000 as an example. My savings on a Toyota were closer to $10,000.00. But even if it were only $3,000.00, since it is "after tax" dollars, I have to earn at least $5,000.00 to end up with $3,000.00 net pay. On top of that, you have the savings of not paying GST/HST on the inflated Canadian prices.

[ambajay]

This dealership sells at good prices right now. Has anyone on the East coast dealt with this outfit before?

http://westborotoyota.com/Toyota-National-Clearance-Event/?utm_source=Website&utm_medium=Drop%2BDown&utm_content=New%2BVehicle%2BSpecials&utm_campaign=Toyota%2BNational%2BClearance%2BEvent

[I RFD]

You will be sending the DMV title to the US side at the border. They use the time (72 hours) to clear the car for export. During this time, they make sure the title has no liens against it, isn't stolen, etc. There's no way around this rule, other than breaking US law and exporting the vehicle illegally.

Thanks smaacd, Does the title need to be in my name? If they're are just checking if the car doesnt have liens, isnt stolen etc... it should be okay if the used car dealership faxes them a copy of the title (still in the dealerships name) 72 hours ahead of time? I will prolly only be able to send the title in my name about 2.5 days ahead , that is about 60 hrs ahead of time.

Thanks again

[goodzyk]

Thanks smaacd, Does the title need to be in my name? If they're are just checking if the car doesnt have liens, isnt stolen etc... it should be okay if the used car dealership faxes them a copy of the title (still in the dealerships name) 72 hours ahead of time? I will prolly only be able to send the title in my name about 2.5 days ahead , that is about 60 hrs ahead of time.

Thanks again

title does not need to be in your name - some US border crossings accept faxes, a couple seem to want the originals ahead of time...if ok to fax, you fax a copy of purchase agreement, title front and back, and a cover letter with your info (name address etc) wouldn't hurt. Title needs to be clear of liens on it, or you will need a letter from the lienholder clearing the lien if that works for that border crossing.

[setell]

This dealership sells at good prices right now. Has anyone on the East coast dealt with this outfit before?

http://westborotoyota.com/Toyota-National-Clearance-Event/?utm_source=Website&utm_medium=Drop%2BDown&utm_content=New%2BVehicle%2BSpecials&utm_campaign=Toyota%2BNational%2BClearance%2BEvent

A new prius for 20.5k is like my dream....damn why am I so poor :cry: Screw the Hyundai Touring if a new Prius is so bloody cheap!!!! I will hope they will still be cheap a year from now! :lol:

[designer76]

Hi I am looking for a year old MDX from the Buffalo NY area
anyone have any recommendations which dealer to deal with as Id be bringing the vehicle back to the toronto area

[michelb]

Thanks smaacd, Does the title need to be in my name? If they're are just checking if the car doesnt have liens, isnt stolen etc... it should be okay if the used car dealership faxes them a copy of the title (still in the dealerships name) 72 hours ahead of time? I will prolly only be able to send the title in my name about 2.5 days ahead , that is about 60 hrs ahead of time.

Thanks again

The US POEs near Ottawa do not accept faxes so they'll have to get it sent by courier.

[michelb]

Again, a us DEAL compared to canadian MSRP...i got my 2010 sport for 30100+ (could have got the same for a 2011 but the finacing was 2% cheaper, and there is essentially no difference)
...

new 2010 is not the same as 2011. Even if it's new, the resale value of a new 2010 is worth a good 10-20% less than a new 2011.

[elmst200]

except for the autotrader.com, are there any other U.S. used car websites RFDers have used and found useful?

[ezze]

Should probably edit , and add that warranties may not be covered in both US & Canada... one or the other for some manufacturers

[smacd]

except for the autotrader.com, are there any other U.S. used car websites RFDers have used and found useful?

www.cars.com is another.

[jehova]

hi,

i'm thinking of buying a car from a private owner in Seattle, WA state. I read from several posts that if the car is to be exported to Canada, WA state tax need not be paid. for a private sale, can I just pay the owner without tax?

Thanks~

[freewheel]

Should probably edit , and add that warranties may not be covered in both US & Canada... one or the other for some manufacturers

A search of this thread for "warranty" yielded 100 results. How often does it need to be mentioned?

[goodzyk]

hi,

i'm thinking of buying a car from a private owner in Seattle, WA state. I read from several posts that if the car is to be exported to Canada, WA state tax need not be paid. for a private sale, can I just pay the owner without tax?

Thanks~

yes no need to pay state tax.

[elmst200]

for LE V6 FWD 8-pass Automatic Transmission Sienna, the 2010 MSRP is $34,420, while the 2011 MSRP dropped to $32,500, a drop of almost $2,000. The drop is quite substantial and impressive.

For comparison, the U.S. MSRP for the same vehicle is US$29,100, The reduced Canadian MSRP is still higher than the U.S. MSRP.

Hope Toyota takes the lead and other manufacturers will follow suite to lower the much inflated Canadian MSRPs.

[veritazz]

Hi I am looking for a year old MDX from the Buffalo NY area
anyone have any recommendations which dealer to deal with as Id be bringing the vehicle back to the toronto area

I used Acura of Manhattan in Manhattan, dont know if you are willing to go that far.

[CaCaCarl]

Hi very fresh to RFD so forgive me for lacking knowledge. Anyone know any dealers close to the VANCOUVER,BC border for cars like the Acura TSX, TL, Honda Civic SI, Subaru WRX STI or Audi A4 and A5? Family looking to buy a new car small car and savings will be nice. And if you do know can you please post how much (roughly) with everything includes, tax importing frees etc- it would cost. THANK YOU

[Monsieurmaggot]

Hi very fresh to RFD so forgive me for lacking knowledge. Anyone know any dealers close to the VANCOUVER,BC border for cars like the Acura TSX, TL, Honda Civic SI, Subaru WRX STI or Audi A4 and A5? Family looking to buy a new car small car and savings will be nice. And if you do know can you please post how much (roughly) with everything includes, tax importing frees etc- it would cost. THANK YOU

On the surface, No, no, no, no, yes, no, no.

As it's been mentioned about 4,701,456 times, the only fee applicable would be the $200 RIV fee unless you purchase a non-NAFTA model. I say non-NAFTA because some people have emailed me complaining that some "Japanese" cars don't have duty either. WTF?

It only matters that the vehicle was ASSEMBLED or BUILT with 50.1% NAFTA (Mexico, US or Canadian) sourced parts or assembly.

Typically if the first character of the VIN is a letter, duty of 6.1% is applicable.

[VANTIS]

new 2010 is not the same as 2011. Even if it's new, the resale value of a new 2010 is worth a good 10-20% less than a new 2011.

i didnt say it was. i said i could have got the same deal on the 11.

[icu_nxtime]

This dealership sells at good prices right now. Has anyone on the East coast dealt with this outfit before?

http://westborotoyota.com/Toyota-National-Clearance-Event/?utm_source=Website&utm_medium=Drop%2BDown&utm_content=New%2BVehicle%2BSpecials&utm_campaign=Toyota%2BNational%2BClearance%2BEvent

Let me know if they will sell to us, I doubt it. None of he dealers I have contacted will sell NEW to Canadians.

Post an update back if you bother to follow up with them.

[riffr aff]

On the surface, No, no, no, no, yes, no, no.

As it's been mentioned about 4,701,456 times, the only fee applicable would be the $200 RIV fee unless you purchase a non-NAFTA model. I say non-NAFTA because some people have emailed me complaining that some "Japanese" cars don't have duty either. WTF?

It only matters that the vehicle was ASSEMBLED or BUILT with 50.1% NAFTA (Mexico, US or Canadian) sourced parts or assembly.

Typically if the first character of the VIN is a letter, duty of 6.1% is applicable.

you expect people to actually read around here? the place where people can't type 4 words into the Google search engine? Jeesh MM, your expectations are far too lofty!

:|

[riffr aff]

And the number 1 reason for buying my 2010 Outback locally here in Oakville is....:arrowu:

lmao

I can be out of pocket for a short 45, 60, 90 days when it saves me $8000.

You have a toilet in your house I assume. Do you wipe w/ $100s?

[riffr aff]

Well, that, plus time/travel costs/cost of borrowing/lower resale value (mph)/etc.

the math just didnt work for me...savings was well below the 3K mark for my 2.5i sport...and would have been negated by the cost of a car loan at a bank vs. financing...

and for those saying ther is an 8K savings...:confused:

Cdn Limited (includes Nav + Moonroof) = ~$42,000
US Limited (mine, no Nav, no Moonroof - which cost about $1700 @ Vanbortel) = ~ $32,000

Get back to using those $100 bills as TP buddy!

[riffr aff]

bump for those who dispute how great it is to import vs being bent over the hood of an Outback by a CDN stealership.


It was time for a new car. We own a beautiful 3 yr old Newfoundland dog, Freya. Our '02 4 door Hyundai Accent meant Freya took the back seat, and our 300 L trunk had to accomodate the rest of our storage. Our hunt started in Dec 2009. Almost bought a used 2006 Ford Focus via private sale. Decided against that and started looking @ new cars. I asked around on RFD in the Automotive forum. I analyzed quite a few wagons and CUVs. We came close to paying for a 2WD CR-V EX (for about $32,000), and then I decided to read this thread - as suggested by some people who posted in my CUV thread. The prospect of buying a loaded Outback for about the same $$$ is an RFDer's dream.

We wanted an Outback, but the base model @ our local dealership was going to cost us $32,000. The Limited was a whopping $42,000. I do hate the freight + delivery - total rip off IMO. Yes, I paid delivery in the US, but it was about 50% of what we pay in Canada.

We wanted the Limited. We didn't want a moonroof or NAV. Those cost about $1800 in the US as options. The front underguard, wood trim, and leather are nice - but we didn't care about them much. The Harmon Karmon stereo is NICE, and from what i've read on the Outback forum, the non-HK factory stereo sucks. We also wanted the power passenger side seats, which are not available w/ the Premium or Base models. Most importantly, we wanted the dual zone temperature/climate feature as my wife and I differ when it comes to heat and A/C. We also orders mud flaps, rear bumper protector, rear cargo net,

I emailed Karl @ VanBortel a slew of times. He was great. I highly recommend working your deal via Karl @ VanBortel if you can get toe NW NY State to buy your car. Also, they sell for invoice. You might be able to get lower from them, but I was content w/ invoice (car + accessories).

I started doing the math. I figured I could get this car for $31,000 if I got my CDN at par. We didn't get it at par, we paid a bit more, but we did pick the right time about 3 weeks ago when the loonie was stronger.

We were slated to get a 2010 Outback, but those got increasingly difficult to order (our first request was not met for the May 1 delivery). Karl suggested we get a 2011 instead. Might have to wait a bit longer, but it's a newer vehicle. Our order was placed when SOA announced the production start date (mid June I think). We then learned our order had been filled. Karl also honoured the 2010 quote he gave me on both the car and accessories. The 2011 is about $300 more. He also gave me accessories @ the Premium price, not Limited - for some reason they differ.

We arranged to pick the car up Monday, July 12th at 11am. Originally we were hoping to use the Thousand Islands bridge to export, but Karl informed us that this port of entry has different rules than does the Lewiston Bridge near Buffalo. Basically, Thousand Islands requires the ORIGINAL title - signed whereas Lewiston only requires a faxed unsigned copy. Title won't get released until you pay for the car, so the only way to use the Thousand Island entry was to wait an additional 72 hrs (and another trip!). Forget that. Same state, different rules. Peculiar.

My father had offered to help me get to NY to ick the car up. My wife is 1/2 Dutch, so we decided to drive to Kingston to watch the Dutch play Spain in the World Cup final on Sunday the 11th. My wife doesn't get vacation time where we work so I needed to either take a bus, plane or drive down w/ my father. I'm not in the GTA, so getting to a plane or bus was going to be a pain. My Dad had offered to drive 2+ hrs to my house, then the 6 or so to Buffalo, then 6 hrs back to where I live, then 2 to his place. He just had his knee replaced 3 months ago, so I thought this was silly. So we headed to his place on the Sunday and my wife drove home after the soccer match. It sucks that Holland lost.

My father and I embarked on our adventure @ 6:55am Monday morning. Fun stuff as my dad drives a 1987 (yes, you read that right) Honda Civic (has about 120,000 km on it - my grandmothers old car). It was hot, as all of Ontario has been for a month. Our drive was uneventful. We paid a toll to cross the bridge, and it took about 10 minutes to get through the US border. My appointment @ Van Bortel was for 11am - we arrived at 10:59am! Great timing. One note - NY State police don't put up with speeding. We saw a half dozen pulled over cars - so watch your speed. 5-7 mph over won't get you in trouble, but I wouldn't risk more than that. Also, the I-90 is a toll highway, so I paid for the toll when we got off of it @ Victor NY. So remember to bring US funds! To buy food, gas, tolls. They don't take a CC at the toll booths! I forgot to get some and had to take an ATM hit to make a withdrawl.

It took about 40 minutes to do the paperwork and take a look at the car. Everything was in order and the Van Bortel staff were awesome. They provided free drinks (water, pop, coffee) and snacks which were welcoming after a long drive. The staff provided the paperwork in organized groups - those I needed for my records and those for the import office. They also provided a map that had instructions on it for when I got to the US border (to do the export). Very handy.

My Dad and I departed in our separate directions. I drove about an hour and was pretty hungry, so I pulled over at a rest stop and bought/downed a Big Mac, my first in years! I continued on and paid another toll when I got to the next exit/highway. It was an odd drive only in that I wasn't used to the size of the Outback compared to my 2002 Accent. There was a lot of construction, including on the bridges over Niagra - so the lanes were narrower than usual, but I managed it. It's just driving afterall. I paid one more bridge toll getting back into Canada.

When I hit US Customs I used my handy maps from Van Bortel to get myself to the right building. In under 10 minutes I was on my way to the Canadian border. There were 3 cars ahead of mine trying to get processed, so it took about 7-8 minutes for my turn. It took about 10 minutes for the border agent to get info from me about the import. I'm not totally sure how many questions were required and which he had for his own informational purposes! He was impressed with my new green Outback tho! After he was done checking my papers I drove to the Import office. It took me under 20 minutes to fill out the Form 1 and for the officer to process the paperwork. Another 5 minutes to pay for the A/C tax + GST.

I then drove home! I took the 407. We'll see if the cameras were able to read the temp paper licence in the window. That will be an additional cost if they can. An OPP officer pulled up beside me and slowed - obviously checking the temp licence. I didn't get pulled over, which was nice. So I kept driving to Peterborough. I got home around 5:45 pm.

On Tuesday of last week the mechanics who maintain my Accent offered to buy it from me for $2200, and they'd handle the safety, work that needed done (if any) and the emissions test. I was hoping to sell it for $2500 but that would include safety/emissions - and the potential of having to fix up things. So a good deal for us IMO (and it covered our PST on the new car!). I also wouldn't have to deal w/ showing the car, no shows and haggling. Lastly, I was able to transfer my old plates to the new car - so no need to buy more.

On the Tuesday I also downloaded my Form 2 from RIV. (if you give them your email you can forgo snail-mail and get a PDF version to print).

Wednesday I took the car to Canadian Tire after dinner, but I was unable to get the inspection done on the spot - so I booked for Thursday after work to get the inspection done.

Friday I went to MTO with all of my paper work and spent about 15 minutes registering our new Outback. This went smoothly and I went home and attached my old plates to our new car.

So that's it! Easy as pie. One vacation day used, some extra expenses (gas, lunch, tolls, safety/emissions) but still, mega savings vs buying at our local dealership.

~~~~~~~~~~

Here are the numbers:

Invoice: $27,293
invoice (MSRP in brackets)
$26270 invoice for car ($27995)
$695 destination fee
$309 for PZEV
-$300 VanBortel discount
$52 - rear bumper cover ($80)
$84 - splash guards ($129)
$34 - rear cargo net ($52)
$39 - all weather mats ($69)

Assessed price (in CDN for taxation purposes): $28,288 (this value is done @ the border based on the exchange rate that day)
$1,514.42 (GST + AC)
$2273.05 PST

$220.35 RIV

USD Exchange hit: $1,037.89
Rate: 1.0380

Toll CDN: $7
Toll US: ~$10.00 CDN
Big Mac: $3.94 (lunch)

Dad's gas: $29
Hyundai gas: $30

Vehicle Safety + Clean Air Test: $132.21
Vehicle Registration: $0

SubTotal: 32550.86
-$300 for 2010 price
- $44 for Premium priced accessories
TOTAL: 32206.86 (give or take - exchange rate not included on these last discounts)

SUBARU.CA BUILD

$36,371.75 (accessories + msrp)


TOTAL: 36,371.75 + 1725 destination
= 37896.75

HST: $4870.60 *** according to subaru on line pricing

CDN + TAX: 42823.33

CDN Price = $42,823.33
CDN Adjusted* = $41,615.33 (less moonroof and nav which are $1658 worth of options @ Van Bortel)
USD Price = $32,206.86

if we'd bought our USD back when we were at par we would have paid even less - at par, the total cost for this car would have been:

$31,512,97

we paid 77.4% of the CDN price.

(would have been 75.7% if we'd gotten our USD at parity)

[TorontoEh]

bump for those who dispute how great it is to import vs being bent over the hood of an Outback by a CDN stealership.\

nice detailed write up!

[Monsieurmaggot]

lmao

I can be out of pocket for a short 45, 60, 90 days when it saves me $8000.

You have a toilet in your house I assume. Do you wipe w/ $100s?

You sir, make me laugh my buttocks off. I couldn't agree with you more.

You took the time to write down a detailed description (including pricing) on how to do it yet people still hesitate....

It's funny how some people still think importing cars is so difficult and how there's always someone waiting in the wings to take advantage of that hesitation. Remember Toyota Canada's full page ads in major papers saying that "vehicles purchased in the US COULD be different". They didn't mislead (the cars were identical mechanically) but if asked, the odometre and speedometer would be!

Some folks won't buy a US-vehicle (and save $10k) because they're worried about the warranty.

Over the years I've received literally hundreds of emails from people harping on the warranty. Some brave ones took the plunge and bought warranty-free and went on to thank me afterwards.

My favourite line currently is "a US vehicle is worth less on resale". Maybe it might be true for those living north of Frozen Groin, Saskatchewan but in most metropolitan cities, Canadian used car stealerships are importing used lease returns by the truckload. It seems they've jumped on that bandwagon but choose to charge the same. Does that mean they're simply gouging the Canadian consumer?

Must be the case or perhaps there's really no real difference between the two.

[clem24]

My favourite line currently is "a US vehicle is worth less on resale".

Actually this is generally true, at least in Calgary. I don't know about dealers selling leasebacks, but.. Even with decreased resale, it's STILL worthwhile. Using the guy's Outback above as a example with VERY simplified terms:

In Canada, if you bought that Outback (and I'll simplify numbers): you paid $40,000. Let's say in 3 years, you sell it and market says it's lost 50%. So you get $20,000 for it. Your net cost of ownership is $20,000 for 3 years.

If you bought that same car in the US, you paid $30,000. You sell it in 3 years, market says a similar Canadian car is worth $20,000 as above, but let's say (and I'll be conservative), your car is worth $5,000 LESS simply because it's a US model and has 2 less options. So you get $15,000 for it. Net cost of ownership $30,000 - $15,000 = $15,000 = Win.

[tcharged]

My favourite line currently is "a US vehicle is worth less on resale". Maybe it might be true for those living north of Frozen Groin, Saskatchewan but in most metropolitan cities, Canadian used car stealerships are importing used lease returns by the truckload. It seems they've jumped on that bandwagon but choose to charge the same. Does that mean they're simply gouging the Canadian consumer?

Must be the case or perhaps there's really no real difference between the two.

No kidding, lease returns from the US flood the market, but yet US cars aren't worth as much? makes no sense, it's ridiculous

[riffr aff]

You sir, make me laugh my buttocks off. I couldn't agree with you more.

You took the time to write down a detailed description (including pricing) on how to do it yet people still hesitate....

It's funny how some people still think importing cars is so difficult and how there's always someone waiting in the wings to take advantage of that hesitation. Remember Toyota Canada's full page ads in major papers saying that "vehicles purchased in the US COULD be different". They didn't mislead (the cars were identical mechanically) but if asked, the odometre and speedometer would be!

Some folks won't buy a US-vehicle (and save $10k) because they're worried about the warranty.

Over the years I've received literally hundreds of emails from people harping on the warranty. Some brave ones took the plunge and bought warranty-free and went on to thank me afterwards.

My favourite line currently is "a US vehicle is worth less on resale". Maybe it might be true for those living north of Frozen Groin, Saskatchewan but in most metropolitan cities, Canadian used car stealerships are importing used lease returns by the truckload. It seems they've jumped on that bandwagon but choose to charge the same. Does that mean they're simply gouging the Canadian consumer?

Must be the case or perhaps there's really no real difference between the two.

what can I say, ignorance is not bliss.

This is RFD. People come to this forum to save money, find deals, get value and seek advice.

My advice? A car that costs 20% less than the same car in Canada is great value, a super deal and will save money! Big no brainer here.

Oh yea - LOVE my car. I don't even notice the MPH or MPG readings anymore.

[jed]

you expect people to actually read around here? the place where people can't type 4 words into the Google search engine? Jeesh MM, your expectations are far too lofty!

:|

Not to mention use that little Search Button thingy in the top right hand corner of the page.

"What??? You want me to spend an hour or so perusing ALL those pages so I can save myself a measly 5 to 10 grand? Are you serious??? My time is valuable don't you know!"

[michelb]

...

My favourite line currently is "a US vehicle is worth less on resale". Maybe it might be true for those living north of Frozen Groin, Saskatchewan but in most metropolitan cities, Canadian used car stealerships are importing used lease returns by the truckload. It seems they've jumped on that bandwagon but choose to charge the same. Does that mean they're simply gouging the Canadian consumer?

...


No kidding, lease returns from the US flood the market, but yet US cars aren't worth as much? makes no sense, it's ridiculous

As you mentioned, probably depends on the area but in Ottawa at least, there is (was) a difference. There were a few dealerships that were selling a lot of US vehicles a few years ago (not sure if they still are) but they were selling them for less (probably 10-20%) than Canadian vehicles.

[jehova]

Q.1 method of payment
Hi, I did a quick search for information regarding private sales. I'm thinking of importing from Seattle area from a private owner. After the due diligence (carfax, carproof, mechanic 100-point inspection), what would be the best way to pay the seller? money order? certified cheque?

Seems like a lot of information buying from dealers but not so much on private sellers.

Q.2 Tax
Also, would I be able to save taxes in BC (I don't think I can for GST, but maybe PST with ICBC) if the car is "gift"ed to me (bill of sale shows $0)?

Thanks guys!!!

[Tharnax]

Certified check or money order it's up to you. It's nice to have something in writing from the seller to confirm he will actually sell the car to you and not run away with your money. It's rare but I'm sure it can happen. The downside to private sales is there is usually a lean on the car and the seller needs to pay of the lean to clear the title so that you can fax it to the boarder office 72hrs in advance. I've only had to pre-pay for an imported car once for this exact reason and the sale went very smoothly, but you just have to be a bit more cautious when you pay upfront.

There is no way to avoid the GST and PST on the import of a vehicle, doesn't matter how you buy it or how you transfer it to yourself. You will pay GST at the boarder and you will pay PST when you register the car with your province of residence. Just be happy your paying PST on the much lower price then you would have likely paid for the same vehicle in Canada.

[ambajay]

Let me know if they will sell to us, I doubt it. None of he dealers I have contacted will sell NEW to Canadians.

Post an update back if you bother to follow up with them.

Yes, I could not find any dealers in the North West who are willing to sell NEW to us, either. Anyway, I had emailed the dealer and see what they say.

[bobcat99]

No kidding, lease returns from the US flood the market, but yet US cars aren't worth as much? makes no sense, it's ridiculous

Slightly off topic here but any specific used car dealers that sell US vehicles?

[Fox2k]

Slightly off topic here but any specific used car dealers that sell US vehicles?

Mega Automobile does. They're near here (Ottawa), over on the quebec side. I have seen some U.S. cars available at the local Subaru dealers but I think they have a monkey in the back making up the prices.

[tetris]

When the dealers sell the U.S car and converted the odometer in KMs, at that time any chanche to roll back the milage of the vehicle?

[james-007]

Q.1 method of payment
Hi, I did a quick search for information regarding private sales. I'm thinking of importing from Seattle area from a private owner. After the due diligence (carfax, carproof, mechanic 100-point inspection), what would be the best way to pay the seller? money order? certified cheque?

Seems like a lot of information buying from dealers but not so much on private sellers.

Q.2 Tax
Also, would I be able to save taxes in BC (I don't think I can for GST, but maybe PST with ICBC) if the car is "gift"ed to me (bill of sale shows $0)?

Thanks guys!!!

No way to run from tax. You will pay both GST & PST. Border services are not the people you want to F with. Give them the bill of sale showing the actual amount. As for how you should pay the seller.... Do the seller have the title? If not someone needs to pay the load 1st and it'll take few days to get the title after the load is paid off. Once the seller has the title ask how he would like to be paid because certified cheque for money order it'll take few days before they get their money.

[jehova]

No way to run from tax. You will pay both GST & PST. Border services are not the people you want to F with. Give them the bill of sale showing the actual amount. As for how you should pay the seller.... Do the seller have the title? If not someone needs to pay the load 1st and it'll take few days to get the title after the load is paid off. Once the seller has the title ask how he would like to be paid because certified cheque for money order it'll take few days before they get their money.

Ok, I'll pay the taxes, this is the right thing to do.

For the payment, I spoke to scotia bank phone rep (branch was closed) they said even if I provide a USD certified cheque, it may still take days to clear. which is something I would prefer not to burden the seller with. An alternative option the scotia phone rep suggested was to pay the seller in traveler's cheques, to which I surpsingly asked, "is that possible? i thought they can be used only for retailers". To which she replied "should be possible to pay individuals too". I've also considered wiring, but the phone rep said this may or may not be same day as well.

Either way, I'll talk to my bank and clarify the best way to pay.

[unidisk]

I am planning a trip to Chicago by the end of the month. Anybody has information about the Lexus dealer in the Chicago area who might be willing to sell new Lexus to Canadian customer?

Thanks in advance.

[Magoomba]

Has ANYONE successfully purchased a new Toyota from the States?
Every dealership I've talked to says no.
Even with the LLC company purchase they won't do.
Something about Toyota investigating all sales to LLC companies.

[ambajay]

http://westborotoyota.com/Toyota-Nat...arance%2BEvent

The general manager telephoned me. Although he never answered my question directly about selling or not selling NEW to Canadians. He did ask which model I was interested in, what features/option I wanted, and when would I want to buy. Sounded like he wanted to do business! Since MA is some 5000+ miles away from BC, I was not really interested. May be you RFD members in the East would like to try to make a deal with this dealership.

[jehova]

Just wanted to share s'more useful information:

USD Bank Draft - VBCE
After talking to several financial institutions I think the recommended method is indeed the bank draft. And obviously since we are buying in US, the bank draft should be in the USD. For those of you living in Vancouver, there is the Vancouver Boullion Currency Exchange (VBCE) which can provide not only a USD bank draft, but also the bank draft will be issued from the Bank of Nevada (BoN). This is really good since, if you the US seller goes into the bank with your bank draft, it should clear right away since the BoN is a US bank, unlike if the bank draft was from TD or Scotia, it could take up to 1 month to clear at the seller's US bank. The incoming funds (your CAD $ that you wish to convert to USD) must be in the form of a CAD bank draft issued from your Canadian financial institution made out VBCE.

Another nice thing about the VBCE is they offer competitive exchange rates and don't charge a fee for issuing bank drafts (at least in the amount I am using). Only the downtown office offers this service. More info can be found on their website: http://www.vbce.ca/

[ambajay]

http://westborotoyota.com/Toyota-Nat...arance%2BEvent

The general manager telephoned me. Although he never answered my question directly about selling or not selling NEW to Canadians. He did ask which model I was interested in, what features/option I wanted, and when would I want to buy. Sounded like he wanted to do business! Since MA is some 5000+ miles away from BC, I was not really interested. May be you RFD members in the East would like to try to make a deal with this dealership.

Here's another reply from a dealer in Oregon:

Quote:

"Toyota has been watching dealers very very closely. Not worth risking the dealership I have been working for the last 13-years the penalties Toyota would levy."

Anyone out there who had recently imported a new Toyota? Please post your experience, if you did. And please PM me the name of the dealer? Thanks.

[elmst200]

are there institutes in Toronto that provide similar service with good rate?


Just wanted to share s'more useful information:

USD Bank Draft - VBCE
After talking to several financial institutions I think the recommended method is indeed the bank draft. And obviously since we are buying in US, the bank draft should be in the USD. For those of you living in Vancouver, there is the Vancouver Boullion Currency Exchange (VBCE) which can provide not only a USD bank draft, but also the bank draft will be issued from the Bank of Nevada (BoN). This is really good since, if you the US seller goes into the bank with your bank draft, it should clear right away since the BoN is a US bank, unlike if the bank draft was from TD or Scotia, it could take up to 1 month to clear at the seller's US bank. The incoming funds (your CAD $ that you wish to convert to USD) must be in the form of a CAD bank draft issued from your Canadian financial institution made out VBCE.

Another nice thing about the VBCE is they offer competitive exchange rates and don't charge a fee for issuing bank drafts (at least in the amount I am using). Only the downtown office offers this service. More info can be found on their website: http://www.vbce.ca/

[Magoomba]

Has ANYONE successfully purchased a new Toyota from the States?
Every dealership I've talked to says no.
Even with the LLC company purchase they won't do.
Something about Toyota investigating all sales to LLC companies.

By the way, I'm in BC, so it seems WA and OR are getting the whip from Toyota.
Have not tried Cali yet as then my costs go up by $700 or more due to shipping.

[jpm88]

are there institutes in Toronto that provide similar service with good rate?

You might want to take a look at oanda.com Its a OTC FX broker and they offer the same bid/offer rates for money transfers as they do for their trading, which look really really good. You can inquire which bank they clear through in the US.

[mk316]

Hi All,

I am in the market for a 2009/2010 Toyota Camry. I did some research on Autotrader (US VS Canada) and the difference between buying in the US and Canada is a savings of about $2300. I hope to drive it across to save money on shipping as I assume the cost to ship would be pretty outrageous!


Is it worth it to import for this bit of savings?
Are there any major items that need repairs prior to being able to license it?
What are the costs to import other than the RIV fee of $195?
How long does the whole process take generally?
If anyone has imported a Camry please let me know how your experience was?



Thanks a lot in advance for your help RFD. This is most rewarding deals thread on RFD in my opinion.:)

[shewa]

I recently used a TD bank us$ bank draft at a dealership in Michigan to buy a car. I personally think dealerships are more comfortable with instruments from reputable, international banks than these other currency exchange type places. Most major Canadian banks have branches in the USA as well ie. TD

[ambajay]

I have another reply from a Toyota dealer in Oregon.

Quote:

"Are you planning on registering this vehicle in the US for 6 months before taking it to Canada?

I ask, because a new vehicle purchased in the US cannot leave the country until 6 months after the purchase date. This is a federal mandate by the US Government, and is not anyway a decision made by the dealer or by Toyota."

Any comments, anyone?

[shopper-X]

I have another reply from a Toyota dealer in Oregon.

Quote:

"Are you planning on registering this vehicle in the US for 6 months before taking it to Canada?

I ask, because a new vehicle purchased in the US cannot leave the country until 6 months after the purchase date. This is a federal mandate by the US Government, and is not anyway a decision made by the dealer or by Toyota."

Any comments, anyone?


This of course is a load of crap they are shoveling you, but to call them on it in a non-confrontational matter, Kindly ask for clarification on the federal mandate. Ask for link to the mandate or the if there is a document number you can look up so you can familiarize yourself with it.

I'm surprised they went as far as mentioning it has nothing to do with Toyota as we all know it has everything to do with them.

[michelb]

This of course is a load of crap they are shoveling you, but to call them on it in a non-confrontational matter, Kindly ask for clarification on the federal mandate. Ask for link to the mandate or the if there is a document number you can look up so you can familiarize yourself with it.

I'm surprised they went as far as mentioning it has nothing to do with Toyota as we all know it has everything to do with them.

I agree with shopper-x. And if that's the only restriction they are placing on you, I think you are safe to buy your car from them and exporting it once you take possession (there is no '6 months' restriction on export). The only catch with that is that they'll likely insist you give them a US address and that likely means they'll charge you state tax.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I agree with shopper-x. And if that's the only restriction they are placing on you, I think you are safe to buy your car from them and exporting it once you take possession (there is no '6 months' restriction on export). The only catch with that is that they'll likely insist you give them a US address and that likely means they'll charge you state tax.

If they ask for proof of residency, you're pooched.

Toyota puts all these hurdles and barriers down to deter sales. They should really focus on their respective bottom lines. Toyota's sales were down 34% last month from the year before:


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-01/toyota-honda-lead-u-s-car-sales-plunge-as-clunkers-ends-economy-slows.html


"Toyota, the world’s largest automaker, sold 34 percent fewer vehicles in the U.S. than in August 2009, while Honda’s volume plunged 33 percent. Sales for Nissan Motor Co. and Hyundai Motor Co. fell 27 percent and 11 percent, respectively".

[Monsieurmaggot]

I found this interesting tidbit on the 'net.

It covers what warranties are transferable in Canada:

http://www.wheels.ca/article/785643

I also cut and pasted highlights of the Wheels.ca article:

Audi

“Audi addressed the gap in 2007 when parity first became an issue. To date our pricing remains based on our competitive segment.”

Warranty: “Transferable with no exceptions.”

BMW/Mini

“BMW has a clear pricing strategy, which is followed on a global level. We have lowered prices on some of our most important and most popular models, while increasing the value of others by adding more equipment.”

Warranty: “Yes, warranty is transferable. However, U.S. standard maintenance coverage does not apply in Canada. U.S. BMW vehicles must be converted to Canadian specifications by an authorized BMW retailer.”

Chrysler

“We are addressing this issue by offering extremely aggressive incentive programs, in addition to financing options such as the industry-first variable prime rate of 2.25 per cent up to 84 months or zero per cent up to 36 months on nearly every 2010 vehicle.”

Warranty: “No. There is no warranty coverage on a vehicle once it leaves the country of origin and is further sold or registered in a different country.”

Ford

“Ford of Canada prices its vehicles to be competitive in the Canadian market. Also, it’s important to note that MSRPs in Canada and the U.S. are exactly that, ‘suggested’ retail prices that do not include consumer offers and incentives.”

Warranty: “Yes. Ford of Canada honours the warranties in both countries.”

General Motors

“At GM Canada we strive to offer superior value and competitive prices for our Canadian customers. The gap between the U.S. and Canada on new-vehicle pricing is not as wide as it is often perceived to be.”

Warranty: “Vehicles purchased in the U.S. must accumulate at least six months of service and must have at least 7,500 miles (12,000 km) to be eligible for warranty coverage in Canada. As well, the cluster must be converted to metric units by an authorized GM dealer (costs covered by customer).”

Honda/Acura

No response supplied.

Hyundai

“Hyundai Canada took the initiative to lower prices in 2008 during the last ‘par dollar’ rally and maintained these lower prices on our vehicles. Also, we have continued with our Smart Advantage program whereby you can combine financing as low as 0 per cent on these lower-priced models.”

Warranty: “No. There is no warranty on imported vehicles.”

Jaguar

“Jaguar has a much higher value proposition when viewed against competitors here in Canada. We will be monitoring our market closely and will consider extra incentives to support sales.”

Warranty: “Best-in-class ‘Jaguar Platinum Coverage’ customer care, standard for all 2011 Jaguar models sold in Canada and the United States, will give Jaguar owners increased vehicle warranty coverage and the best maintenance plan in the business valid on both sides of the border.”

Kia

No response supplied.

Land Rover

“It is not valid to cross-border compare, but more appropriate to look at Canadian Land Rover pricing in relation to our competitors’ Canadian pricing. We will be monitoring our market closely and will consider extra incentives to support sales.”

Warranty: Yes.

Mazda

“Mazda Canada equips its vehicles to meet Canadian consumer tastes and our pricing strategy is to be competitive with benchmark vehicles offered in Canada.”

Warranty: ”Yes. Mazda Canada will honour the terms of the U.S. warranty.”

Mercedes-Benz

No response supplied.

Mitsubishi

“Mitsubishi Motor Sales of Canada is currently continuing to carefully watch the market.”

Warranty: “No. Any vehicles registered and operating outside of Canada are not covered under the terms of Mitsubishi’s Canadian new vehicle warranty.”

Nissan/Infiniti

“Nissan Canada plans, prices and markets Nissan and Infiniti vehicles in Canada based on our judgment of the market conditions in the Canadian market and our expectations of the sales potential of our products.”

Warranty: “Yes. However, the warranty is void if, during the first six months after delivery to the original owner, ownership of the vehicle is transferred from the original owner, and the vehicle is registered outside of the United States. Infiniti vehicles are exempt from the six-month rule.”

Porsche

“A Cash Currency Credit program is in effect to offset the U.S.-dollar disparity, ranging from $2,500 to $10,500.”

Warranty: “Yes. Customers who bring cars across the border must go to a Porsche dealer and have an inspection performed for $500.”

Subaru

“Subaru Canada has repositioned the pricing of our vehicles to be more competitive in the Canadian market and better aligned with the United States. While there is still a gap, Canadian models are often equipped with more standard features designed to meet the demands of our diverse climate.”

Warranty: “Canadian residents who purchase a 2008 or newer Subaru in the U.S. and register the vehicle in Canada will have two viable options for obtaining warranty repairs: return the car to an authorized U.S. Subaru dealer at no charge; or have the car repaired at an authorized Canadian Subaru dealer, pay for the repairs, then submit a copy of the repair order for reimbursement by Subaru of America, Inc.”

Suzuki

No response supplied.

Toyota/Lexus

“Since February 2008, Toyota Canada Inc. has implemented three phases of reductions to the MSRP on select Toyota and Lexus models. In addition, as we’ve brought new products to market for the 2010 and 2011 model year, the majority have been equipped with more standard features with little to no price increase.”

Warranty: “Yes. However, certain additional benefits offered by Toyota Canada in conjunction with a new vehicle purchase (such as roadside assistance) may not apply to owners of U.S. vehicles.”

Volkswagen

“In 2008 we reduced the MSRPs on all Canadian Volkswagen models when the Canadian dollar reached parity with the U.S. dollar. When it dropped to $0.78 one year later, we maintained the lowered MSRPs, and we continue to do so.”

Warranty: “No. Coverage of Canadian and U.S. Volkswagen new-vehicle warranties is different. For example, our Canadian warranty provides longer coverage while the U.S. warranty provides no-charge maintenance.”

Volvo

“Volvo Canada currently has a currency allowance program offering up to $9,000 to cash customers for a limited time.”

Warranty: “Yes. All Volvo vehicles sold in North America have a standard manufacturer’s warranty for North America.”

[phrozenn.heat]

Back in August I called Audi America regarding warranty transfer to Canada and I was told that only new vehicle can transfer the Audi New Vehicle Limited Warranty (http://www.audiusa.com/us/brand/en/owners/main/warranty_and_insurance/warranty.html) program. Used and recertified do not qualify for any warranty in Canada. Shopper-X directed me to the apa.ca link stating that it is covered.


According the APA.ca (link (http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253)) it was confirmed in Dec. 2009 that Audi does transfer the warranty. VW does for 2008 and older but not 2009 and newer.

Like my post said, I called in August 2010 and apa.ca site confirmed in December 2009. Eight months have passed since they did any update on the info. If any of you are thinking of getting used or certified Audi and worry about warranty, call Audi America (1-800-822-2834 (AUDI)) and give them the VIN of the vehicle you're planning to purchase to verifiy if there is going to be warranty coverage and/or transferable in Canada.

BTW, none of the Audi dealership will sell new Audi to a Canadian unless you have an US address. They are trying to deter Canadians from buying an Audi in the US.

[ambajay]

This of course is a load of crap they are shoveling you, but to call them on it in a non-confrontational matter, Kindly ask for clarification on the federal mandate. Ask for link to the mandate or the if there is a document number you can look up so you can familiarize yourself with it.

I'm surprised they went as far as mentioning it has nothing to do with Toyota as we all know it has everything to do with them.

I did.

Here's the reply:

Quote:

"I did a little bit of research for you this morning and could not find a link or document number. I took this up to my General Manager and asked him if he knew where I could find information on this. He said that it is in our Toyota Franchise Agreement that we are not allowed to sell a new Toyota to a Canadian Citizen who is planning on taking the new vehicle back to Canada within 6 months of purchasing.

Here are some links that may help you:

http://hubpages.com/hub/Importing-a-Car-From-the-US-into-Canada

http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread/t-149845.html

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/archive/index.php/cgi.ebay.com/ws/t-330592.html"

I am heading out of town right now, but I will check out these links later when I get home.