WOW ---- New and used cars from US up to 30% cheaper - Read post #1

[lightbulb]

-Rims, if you are buying a second set, are still way cheaper in the US.
-I've still found that the tires themselves are cheaper in the US.

That said, the shipping and duty adds up (TireRack nicely includes all this for you up front), so the deal isn't exactly great.



Not an absolute. In my comparison shopping for a winter rim & tire set up, it was pretty much even between TireRack and a package through SimplyTire. eg. TireRack basic 17" alloy rims for $100 ea without factoring any shipping or duty; SimplyTire offers a similar rim for $125 ea. In a winter tire size 225 x 60 x 17, TireRack's Conti Winter Extreme is $500, SimplyTire is $660. Again, factor in shipping, duty and installation cost against the local dealer's installed price. SimplyTire currently has an RFD group buy additional discount and a number of tire cos have Canadian rebates also, which help even the playing field. However some tires, like Nokian, are pretty outrageous in Canada.

It would be cheaper to shop US if one didn't have to pay duty, ship across the border and you did your own installation.

[rybshik]

Hello,

Looking for a budget solution (i.e. Civic, Corolla, Ford Focus, possibly Ford Taurus) , used car is ok, might go for a new car with 0-1% financing, and have up to $5K for down.

I spent half a year in Southern Ontario (where I need a car), and the other half in Seattle (where I do NOT need a car). Have a Canadian citizenship, US Green Card, both Canadian and US DLs (Ontario and Washington State). Have a good credit history in both US and Canada.

So what would be the best way for me to import/bring a car to Ontario? Would I first register a car in the US?
Can I actually drive in Ontario for 6-12 months with US plates? Are there Canadian insurance companies which will insure in such situation?

Thanks!

[phlegm2]

Hmmm, that's a complicated situation. I can't say for sure, but if you have residence and citenzenship status in both countries, you may not need to import at all, i.e. you are simply driving a US vehicle that you own in the US into Canada (or vice versa).

That said, here are the things I'd be looking at:
-Will the vehicle warranty be valid in both US and Canada?
-Are you eligible for financing in the US?
-If you register the car in US, you pay state tax in the US - does that make a difference to the final savings?
-Does the car quality for NAFTA (North American assembly), or do you have to work around duty somehow?

[michelb]

Hello,

Looking for a budget solution (i.e. Civic, Corolla, Ford Focus, possibly Ford Taurus) , used car is ok, might go for a new car with 0-1% financing, and have up to $5K for down.

I spent half a year in Southern Ontario (where I need a car), and the other half in Seattle (where I do NOT need a car). Have a Canadian citizenship, US Green Card, both Canadian and US DLs (Ontario and Washington State). Have a good credit history in both US and Canada.

So what would be the best way for me to import/bring a car to Ontario? Would I first register a car in the US?
Can I actually drive in Ontario for 6-12 months with US plates? Are there Canadian insurance companies which will insure in such situation?

Thanks!

With your US status, you have a bit more flexibility in that you can have US plates on it and drive it in Canada but legally you're probably only allowed to do that for 30 days before they require you to register it in Ontario unless you can show that your primary residence is really in the US and you are in Ontario temporarily. With that said, financing in the US might not be an option because if you have the car financed, there will be a lien on it and if there's a lien on it, you probably can't export it from the US to import it into Canada (i.e. if it's financed in the US and CBA forces you to import, you will have to pay the balance of the loan before you can do that).

As far as registering it in the US first, that's not a bad idea and you may even save some taxes (if it's registered in the US in your name first, you won't have to pay the 'PST portion' if / when you import it into Ontario (but you still have to pay the GST portion and any duty)). As far as the insurance, you have to insure it where it's registered. If it's registered in the US, you'll have to get a US insurance company.

[rybshik]

As far as the insurance, you have to insure it where it's registered. If it's registered in the US, you'll have to get a US insurance company. As I am going to bring the car in the South Western Ontario, I will quite likely buy it in upstate NY (Buffalo Region, etc). If I decide to register the car in the US, what would be my options? Can I register in the state of New York (while keeping a Washington State DL)? Or do I have register in Washington State? If so, can I buy a car in NY State and register in Washington State by mail?

As for insurance, should I inform the insurance company that the car is going to be driven mostly in Ontario? Are there US insurance companies which will insure a car in such a situation?

Would it be a good idea to buy a car in Seattle, to register in Seattle, to get insured in Seattle and then just to drive in Ontario?

[rybshik]

Does the car quality for NAFTA (North American assembly), or do you have to work around duty somehow? Not sure what it is. Can you clarify/explain please?

And, yes, I am eligible for US financing.

[Drew_W]

And, yes, I am eligible for US financing.

Can you even do US financing? The title to the car will be to the finance company, not to you as in a straight cash purchase, and will likely complicate the export process fairly heavily.

[Drew_W]

Not sure what it is. Can you clarify/explain please?

Made in NA = no duty

Not made in NA = duty

[jwei]

Anyone help me with a rough fee breakdown?

Just comparing used prices here vs new prices there....so looking to get an Impreza from the states, lets say for abut 27000?

Also, is the general consensus for Subaru's to get it from Van Bortel?

I'm from the GTA.

Thanks in advance!

[michelb]

As I am going to bring the car in the South Western Ontario, I will quite likely buy it in upstate NY (Buffalo Region, etc). If I decide to register the car in the US, what would be my options? Can I register in the state of New York (while keeping a Washington State DL)? Or do I have register in Washington State? If so, can I buy a car in NY State and register in Washington State by mail?

As for insurance, should I inform the insurance company that the car is going to be driven mostly in Ontario? Are there US insurance companies which will insure a car in such a situation?

Would it be a good idea to buy a car in Seattle, to register in Seattle, to get insured in Seattle and then just to drive in Ontario?

You need to have an address to register the car so it sounds like your options are either to buy / register in Seattle or buy in NYS and register in Ontario. If you are only planning on driving in Ontario, you probably only have something like 30 days to register it there so you might be better off getting it in NYS. As far as the insurance, you'll probably have to get it from where you mostly drive - if you are only planning on being in Ontario for a little while and then returning to Washington, you can probably get a Washington company to insure you but if you are just going keep the car in Ontario, you'll have to insure it there.

[s1301950]

Anyone done fx50 or fx35? 2011 model?

[Mr. Mayhew]

Anyone done fx50 or fx35? 2011 model?

I bring in alot of new FX35 and 50, i received your email and will get back to you tomorrow. Happy thanksgiving!

[vipuls]

Hi everyone,

In May I bought Merc C300 4matic 2008 with lots of help from this particular thread.

As car is now due for service B, I checked, and found local Merc dealerships charge $700 Plus taxes.
Buffalo MB charges, $240 including taxes.

So I am headed to Buffalo.

One question, My car still has U.S. warranty of 4 years/48,000KM. Do you think just because I imported vehicle to Canada, somehow US MB would have figured out it is exported and cancelled US warranty? I have never been to local MB dealerships with this car so they do not know about this car.

Also I didn't use MBUSA to get recall letter (instead used VMI printout for RIV Form 2).

Regards

[Monsieurmaggot]

Anyone help me with a rough fee breakdown?

Just comparing used prices here vs new prices there....so looking to get an Impreza from the states, lets say for abut 27000?

Also, is the general consensus for Subaru's to get it from Van Bortel?

I'm from the GTA.

Thanks in advance!

Regardless if you buy new or used, the Impreza is not NAFTA-exempt so you will be paying 6.1% duty on the vehicle.
You will pay GST and PST if your jurisdiction imposes it.

On top of that you will be the $200 RIV registration fee.

There are minor fees like A/C tax and transit permits to consider as well.

Van Bortel will sell you a Subaru but they do charge a $750 administrative fee. Karl at Van Bortel has a lot of experience assisting Canadians with the process.

Some RFDers are getting their Subarus in other border states and bypass the surcharges. Those folks typically deal with inexperienced vendors who don't do the volume Van Bortel does. From last report, Van Bortel is the second largest Subaru vendor by volume in the US. Karl is one of the top sales reps. in the country.

A few posts back, one member saved an extra couple of grand shopping elsewhere. Paid close or below invoice which was the norm. a few years ago.

[mtl_cheapo]

has anyone had to do the daytime running lights mod on a 2011 Toyota sienna? how much am i looking at it to set me back?

[michelb]

has anyone had to do the daytime running lights mod on a 2011 Toyota sienna? how much am i looking at it to set me back?

Depending on the trim, it may already be activated (check that first). If not, unless it's changed since the previous gen of Siennas, you just need to jumper a fuse in the fuse panel.

[mtl_cheapo]

Depending on the trim, it may already be activated (check that first). If not, unless it's changed since the previous gen of Siennas, you just need to jumper a fuse in the fuse panel.

It's the 2011 XLE. How do I check to see if it is activated? I believe that the functionality has changed with this latest gen of Siennas. I at a loss as to where to move forward from here...

I hope to get the mod done, plate the car and then write about my experience in getting the car. Much thanks to all the info on this forum. It helped a lot. I'm hoping for help one more time to get this last mod done :)

[Mr. Mayhew]

It's the 2011 XLE. How do I check to see if it is activated? I believe that the functionality has changed with this latest gen of Siennas. I at a loss as to where to move forward from here...

I hope to get the mod done, plate the car and then write about my experience in getting the car. Much thanks to all the info on this forum. It helped a lot. I'm hoping for help one more time to get this last mod done :)

They do have DRL however they can be deactivated so you need to have them modified. Usually $120 - $150 depending who does them.

[Monsieurmaggot]

has anyone had to do the daytime running lights mod on a 2011 Toyota sienna? how much am i looking at it to set me back?

There are a couple of sites that comment on a DIY solution you could try.

Here's one: http://www.siennachat.com/forum/index.php?topic=4306.15

I simply typed "activate drl on 2011 sienna" and got a few good hits.

[jwei]

Thanks


Regardless if you buy new or used, the Impreza is not NAFTA-exempt so you will be paying 6.1% duty on the vehicle.
You will pay GST and PST if your jurisdiction imposes it.

On top of that you will be the $200 RIV registration fee.

There are minor fees like A/C tax and transit permits to consider as well.

Van Bortel will sell you a Subaru but they do charge a $750 administrative fee. Karl at Van Bortel has a lot of experience assisting Canadians with the process.

Some RFDers are getting their Subarus in other border states and bypass the surcharges. Those folks typically deal with inexperienced vendors who don't do the volume Van Bortel does. From last report, Van Bortel is the second largest Subaru vendor by volume in the US. Karl is one of the top sales reps. in the country.

A few posts back, one member saved an extra couple of grand shopping elsewhere. Paid close or below invoice which was the norm. a few years ago.

[phlegm2]

Van Bortel will sell you a Subaru but they do charge a $750 administrative fee.

I may have misinterpreted the context, but is the $750 administrative fee applied to Canadian customers only? If so, I'd be curious to know what that dealer does to justify that amount. Or, is $750 the total of all their sales-related fees, applied to US customers as well.

In my case (not Subaru, but Volvo), all the dealer had to do was:
1. Take my money.
2. Give me a printout of their service database, checking for recalls.

Anyway, maybe I'm misunderstanding.

[GSD]

Hi everyone,

In May I bought Merc C300 4matic 2008 with lots of help from this particular thread.

As car is now due for service B, I checked, and found local Merc dealerships charge $700 Plus taxes.
Buffalo MB charges, $240 including taxes.

So I am headed to Buffalo.

One question, My car still has U.S. warranty of 4 years/48,000KM. Do you think just because I imported vehicle to Canada, somehow US MB would have figured out it is exported and cancelled US warranty? I have never been to local MB dealerships with this car so they do not know about this car.

Also I didn't use MBUSA to get recall letter (instead used VMI printout for RIV Form 2).

Regards

Your US warranty should be fine so long as it is within the 4yrs/48K.

[XZerg]

has anyone had to do the daytime running lights mod on a 2011 Toyota sienna? how much am i looking at it to set me back?

It might just be a fuse thing. I bought a used Toyota Seinna 2006 XLE from US in 2009 and all it required was a fuse which the dealer put it for me in the US free of charge/included in the price. Call the dealership or toyota and ask around first.

[michelb]

It might just be a fuse thing. I bought a used Toyota Seinna 2006 XLE from US in 2009 and all it required was a fuse which the dealer put it for me in the US free of charge/included in the price. Call the dealership or toyota and ask around first.

That was the case with 2nd gens (some trims had DRL, some didn't but all you had to do was put a fuse) however it looks like this has changed with the 3rd gen and the actual headlight switch is different for US and CND ones now. Look at the link Monsieurmaggot posted - looks like the easiest thing is to open up the headlight switch and put something to block it from going to the OFF position. Otherwise you can build a small relay and use that to prevent the OFF position from turning off DRLs.

[MS MSP]

Hi everyone,

In May I bought Merc C300 4matic 2008 with lots of help from this particular thread.

As car is now due for service B, I checked, and found local Merc dealerships charge $700 Plus taxes.
Buffalo MB charges, $240 including taxes.

So I am headed to Buffalo.

One question, My car still has U.S. warranty of 4 years/48,000KM. Do you think just because I imported vehicle to Canada, somehow US MB would have figured out it is exported and cancelled US warranty? I have never been to local MB dealerships with this car so they do not know about this car.

Also I didn't use MBUSA to get recall letter (instead used VMI printout for RIV Form 2).

Regards

Assuming you have Ontario plates...that would be a dead giveaway that the car was exported.

[rjmbc]

That was the case with 2nd gens (some trims had DRL, some didn't but all you had to do was put a fuse) however it looks like this has changed with the 3rd gen and the actual headlight switch is different for US and CND ones now. Look at the link Monsieurmaggot posted - looks like the easiest thing is to open up the headlight switch and put something to block it from going to the OFF position. Otherwise you can build a small relay and use that to prevent the OFF position from turning off DRLs.

If the switch is in the signal light lever, you can easily disable the the switch for about 25 cents and 15 minutes of time. I have done it twice on Highlanders and once on a Lexus. I believe it works on Sienna's as well.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I may have misinterpreted the context, but is the $750 administrative fee applied to Canadian customers only? If so, I'd be curious to know what that dealer does to justify that amount. Or, is $750 the total of all their sales-related fees, applied to US customers as well.

In my case (not Subaru, but Volvo), all the dealer had to do was:
1. Take my money.
2. Give me a printout of their service database, checking for recalls.

Anyway, maybe I'm misunderstanding.

The $750 fee I refer to is IN ADDITION to any fee a US consumer would pay.

In a feeble attempt to appease Subaru Canada, Subaru US no longer credits the US dealer for the sale of a vehicle to Canadian citizens and have also removed the factory rebates. While that's made the purchase a bit more expensive, it's still thousands cheaper to buy in the US.

From a Subaru corporate letter I posted on this site a few pages back, it says; "Vehicle sales made by US dealers to individuals or organizations residing outside the continental United States will no longer be eligible for SoA incentive payments/programs, ascent program buyouts, vehicle incentives, quarterly/monthly sales dealer sales volume bonuses, Chairman Roundtable awards etc.."

The letter is signed by the Chairman of Subaru of America Tomohiko Ikeda.

I guess the $750 is intended to offset some of that loss. It's interesting to note that some SoA dealers still charge at or below posted (Edmunds or similar sites) invoice while others do not.

[Mr. Mayhew]

Assuming you have Ontario plates...that would be a dead giveaway that the car was exported.

call ahead to the US MB dealer and explain that you are a canadian with a mercedes you imported into canada, and if they perform warranty work on cars such as this. DO NOT GIVE YOUR VIN.

most MB dealers close to the border handle all CDN imported vehicles, and it is great business for them. SHouldnt be an issue.

[Feegus]

Invoice plus 1k was what I paid for my Subaru in Washington 3 months ago. They even did a dealer swap to get me the Premium trim package that I wanted and was very hard to find.

Drove down and traded a money order for the keys and was back home that night. Couldn't believe how easy the whole thing ended up being.

The hardest part was finding a dealership who was willing to play ball. I suggest blanketing your chosen border state with emails/phone calls.

:D

[pfbmgd]

Where do I get invoice prices for Subaru cars in the US .I`m almost ready to buy a outback .

Specifically 3.6 limited and 2.5 Limited

[bmm34]

call ahead to the US MB dealer and explain that you are a canadian with a mercedes you imported into canada, and if they perform warranty work on cars such as this. DO NOT GIVE YOUR VIN.

most MB dealers close to the border handle all CDN imported vehicles, and it is great business for them. SHouldnt be an issue.

I just took my BMW 335i to the US BMW dealership and got $675 worth of maintenance for FREE! They replaced the back brakes, changed the oil, replaced the wiper blades and performed a recall on the fuel bump all for free. To top it off, they gave me a loaner car so I could drive around for the day and shop.

[smacd]

Where do I get invoice prices for Subaru cars in the US .I`m almost ready to buy a outback .

Specifically 3.6 limited and 2.5 Limited

Try here: http://www.carsdirect.com/new/buildyourcar/zipcode?makeName=subaru&modelName=outback

You'll need the zip code of the area you're hoping to buy in.

[pfbmgd]

Try here: http://www.carsdirect.com/new/buildyourcar/zipcode?makeName=subaru&modelName=outback

You'll need the zip code of the area you're hoping to buy in.

Thanks for the information !

[JoeRoberts12]

Where do I get invoice prices for Subaru cars in the US .I`m almost ready to buy a outback .

Specifically 3.6 limited and 2.5 Limited

USA invoice prices are free in the usa. Check Edmunds.com or Kbb.com

[JoeRoberts12]

if you are looking to save some time you can also try http://transdeal.ca/ they are a canadian company. free invoice information for canadian cars and basically fleet pricing specials. it's worth a look since they are a free service.

[Monsieurmaggot]

if you are looking to save some time you can also try http://transdeal.ca/ they are a canadian company. free invoice information for canadian cars and basically fleet pricing specials. it's worth a look since they are a free service.


It's essentially bulk purchasing. The problem is that it's a fictitious price. Unlike in the US where it's mandated, Canadian manufacturers have gone out of their way to keep this information from the masses. Canadian invoice pricing is a closely guarded secret that isn't readily available.

As a general rule, I've always used US invoice pricing to get a ball park idea how much we're been screwed here in Canada. If the price offered is close to the US price, then I would bite. I know many others who do the same. In some cases, Canadian pricing was at par or slightly cheaper. I always have visions of some greedy white-shoed sales reps. stuffing themselves with food in a lounge watching the big game on a 60" flat screen TV that I essentially just gave them.

I've been provided "Canadian Invoice" pricing by fellow RFDers many times over the years and the prices almost always seem to be a few grand higher than the actual "dealer consignment" price from the manufacturer. Years ago when I was shopping around, I was able to acquire the true consignment price on a vehicle I was looking for from an acquaintance who worked in the accounting area of a Canadian manufacturer. There was quite the difference. I was also surprised to see how complicated the retailing process can be. There were holdbacks, free upgrades and in one case, certain options sold in a particular month got special incentive bonuses or were provided free to the dealer.

A few years ago in an email, Subaru Canada told me that part of the reason for the huge price disparity in Canada was due to the fact that they are after an entirely different "demographic" than their counterpart in the US. They actually believe that brand should be slotted in a niche "prestige" market. By marking up the price, they'd hope to cater to a completely different group of people. That banter is posted way earlier in this thread. Strange but true. I guess they needed to believe the crap they were flogging.

[ppl4golf]

It's essentially bulk purchasing. The problem is that it's a fictitious price. Unlike in the US where it's mandated, Canadian manufacturers have gone out of their way to keep this information from the masses. Canadian invoice pricing is a closely guarded secret that isn't readily available.

As a general rule, I've always used US invoice pricing to get a ball park idea how much we're been screwed here in Canada. If the price offered is close to the US price, then I would bite. I know many others who do the same. In some cases, Canadian pricing was at par or slightly cheaper. I always have visions of some greedy white-shoed sales reps. stuffing themselves with food in a lounge watching the big game on a 60" flat screen TV that I essentially just gave them.

I've been provided "Canadian Invoice" pricing by fellow RFDers many times over the years and the prices almost always seem to be a few grand higher than the actual "dealer consignment" price from the manufacturer. Years ago when I was shopping around, I was able to acquire the true consignment price on a vehicle I was looking for from an acquaintance who worked in the accounting area of a Canadian manufacturer. There was quite the difference. I was also surprised to see how complicated the retailing process can be. There were holdbacks, free upgrades and in one case, certain options sold in a particular month got special incentive bonuses or were provided free to the dealer.

A few years ago in an email, Subaru Canada told me that part of the reason for the huge price disparity in Canada was due to the fact that they are after an entirely different "demographic" than their counterpart in the US. They actually believe that brand should be slotted in a niche "prestige" market. By marking up the price, they'd hope to cater to a completely different group of people. That banter is posted way earlier in this thread. Strange but true. I guess they needed to believe the crap they were flogging.

Gotta agree the Canadian invoice price is a joke and laughable when someone thought he did so well paying the Canadian stealer $200 above invoice.

[carinsider]

if you are looking to save some time you can also try http://transdeal.ca/ they are a canadian company. free invoice information for canadian cars and basically fleet pricing specials. it's worth a look since they are a free service.

i work in the biz and transdeal.ca and apa.ca are pretty good bets for buying a car. my dealership works with both of them. customers get the same pricing from both sources for new cars. from what clients tell me apa charges a small fee to client while transdeal.ca charges no fee to client. not sure about usa stuff. when we have transdeal.ca clients it is mandatory to show the customer the invoice.

it's true invoice pricing in canada is a bit of a joke as dealer hold back can be plenty. invoice to msrp is about an 8% mark up. rebates etc are applied not counting the 8% example 1000 cash rebate plus 0 discount from msrp or 1000 rebate plus discount of 500. look at hyundai they sell cars at $100-500 over invoice of course there is hidden profit! (i do not work for hyundai)

[igbonla]

Which of these manufacturers honor US warranty in Canada? I am just reading this thread from the beginning but realised it will take so long to cover the ground. Thanks..

Honda
Toyota
Infinity
BMW
Mercedes
Audi

[Monsieurmaggot]

when we have transdeal.ca clients it is mandatory to show the customer the invoice.

it's true invoice pricing in canada is a bit of a joke as dealer hold back can be plenty. invoice to msrp is about an 8% mark up. rebates etc are applied



When I bought cars over the years, in many instances I too was shown the "invoice" pricing. That in itself was a joke.

Let me tell you this:

I was shopping around for a car a few years ago armed with some information from my insider. I found a vehicle at a local Toronto (very popular) dealership and noted a few of the VIN numbers down. I provided that information to my contact who provided me the information that actually accompanies the vehicle to the dealership.

A few days later I sat down with a rep. at that stealership and listened to his "schpeal". He says "while I can get in trouble for showing you this, I want you to see what our invoice price is so you know you're getting the best deal". He proceeds to open up a binder conveniently labelled something like "Invoice prices - Sales Manager office only" which was neatly tucked away on his shelf. There he pulls the alleged "factory invoice" to show me.

Not to set him up (okay I did) I ask him what exactly this "invoice price" is. He tells me that this is the price the dealership pays for the vehicle and they need to add at least $2000 to that price for things like "advertising and heating - it's nice and cozy in here isn't it" (smiling smugly). We could negotiate but really can't get close to the price they pay the factory since "they'd go out of business" if they did that.

What was particularly interesting is that his invoice price was some crazy number in the high 19k range - like $19,989.14. It was on a vehicle that was MSRP'd around $25k (I don't recall the exact number). Unfortunately the consignment papers I had showed a price somewhere in the mid 17k range.

Again I asked him to confirm that I understood what he was showing me.

When I had enough (he was an arrogant @sswipe) I gave him a copy of the true invoice. He went through the roof and asked me to leave - really? Over the years I still tell people that story.

I ended up buying the vehicle I wanted for below his "invoice" price and naturally above the true factory price. Not a problem since I presented the true invoice to a few dealerships where one eventually settled for $1500 above the price. His dealership still made a killing since there were all kinds of incentives (dealer charges for the ISE package and re-imburses the factory for the ISC). From that code many of you will know what manufacturer I'm talking about. I haven't bought from them since.

This excercise went a long way to forge my distrust in car reps. Had he told me from the onset: "The factory price is $17,500 and we want a minimum of $20,000" at least I would have the option to say no.

Their way proved how we're all sheep and another reason why I rant about this on my website.

I have another story about my Saturn "no dicker" purchase I will eventually post there too.

[jakemtl]

When I bought cars over the years, in many instances I too was shown the "invoice" pricing. That in itself was a joke.

Let me tell you this:

I was shopping around for a car a few years ago armed with some information from my insider. I found a vehicle at a local Toronto (very popular) dealership and noted a few of the VIN numbers down. I provided that information to my contact who provided me the information that actually accompanies the vehicle to the dealership.

So the big question I have (now that I know that invoice price in Canada is all BS), how does the layperson without an insider figure out (even roughly) what the true invoice price is? Also, does the BS invoice price apply to all manufacturers or only some?

[Mr. Mayhew]

Which of these manufacturers honor US warranty in Canada? I am just reading this thread from the beginning but realised it will take so long to cover the ground. Thanks..

Honda
Toyota
Infinity
BMW
Mercedes
Audi

http://lpauto.ca/warranty-coverage.html

updated detailed info

[phlegm2]

Minor note to the listing for Volvo on the lpauto.ca page: Volvo offers full warranty in Canada, but Canadian dealers will not honour the 4-year free service package that comes with the vehicle in the US. (I updated the site owner.)

[Monsieurmaggot]

So the big question I have (now that I know that invoice price in Canada is all BS), how does the layperson without an insider figure out (even roughly) what the true invoice price is? Also, does the BS invoice price apply to all manufacturers or only some?

Canadian invoice pricing aside, there's the whole factory to dealer incentive information that changes regularly. That information is the Canadian's division bread and butter and you know very few people would have access to that information.

I typically use US invoice pricing as a guage in Canada since the cost to manufacture a car doesn't change in the North American market (regardless of what anyone tells me). There's typically a lot of money to be made by a Canadian stealer since they're still getting incentives.

They typically market "limited time rebates" and keep everything else low key. The rebates are from the manufacturers but the local retailer still makes his profit regardless of the total price paid.

The vehicle market is a master at playing the shell game with the consumer.

On another note I heard this morning that the PC Finance Minister (the guy who's out in Durham region) says that price inequality still exists in Canada. Really?

Here's the link to the story...:

http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20111019/united-states-canada-price-gap-flaherty-probe-senate-investigation-why-111019/20111019/?hub=EdmontonHome

[pfbmgd]

I received a quote from a US Subaru dealer for 3.6R Limted .

2012 Outback 3.6R Limited with Moon Roof(CDK-04)$32,130 Plus fees and surcharges($750 for Canadian paper work) .

That is pretty well a invoice price according to Edmuns .

Can you bargain from prices to below US invoice price ?

[Mr. Mayhew]

I received a quote from a US Subaru dealer for 3.6R Limted .

2012 Outback 3.6R Limited with Moon Roof(CDK-04)$32,130 Plus fees and surcharges($750 for Canadian paper work) .

That is pretty well a invoice price according to Edmuns .

Can you bargain from prices to below US invoice price ?

I bought the same car recently for $30612 incl of all fees. there is much better to be had out there.
Edit: was a 2011. 2012 would be around the $31000 mark even

[phlegm2]

Sorry, this topic has been beaten to death but wanted to doubly confirm please.

I'm a Volvo guy, but looking to import a GMC Yukon for my father-in-law. Looks like the only mod needed is to ensure DRL stays on permanently (if anyone has cheap tips here, great - I'm quoted a DRL kit for ~200 bucks).

Aside from that, I heard the deal about waiting until 6 months AND 12,000 kms before the warranty would be honoured in Canada. In addition though, the GM rep said "the odometer has to set to indicate kilometers". Now, my understanding that this is a simple regional change that can be done via the car, by any owner.

Is there anything else I'm missing? I don't have to change the cluster or anything, do I?

Thanks in advance.

[phlegm2]

Sorry, this topic has been beaten to death but wanted to doubly confirm please.

I'm a Volvo guy, but looking to import a GMC Yukon for my father-in-law. Looks like the only mod needed is to ensure DRL stays on permanently (if anyone has cheap tips here, great - I'm quoted a DRL kit for ~200 bucks).

Aside from that, I heard the deal about waiting until 6 months AND 12,000 kms before the warranty would be honoured in Canada. In addition though, the GM rep said "the odometer has to set to indicate kilometers". Now, my understanding that this is a simple regional change that can be done via the car, by any owner.

Is there anything else I'm missing? I don't have to change the cluster or anything, do I?

Thanks in advance.

Oh, and to add to this, will US dealers sell new vehicles to Canadians, or does it have to always be used? (This is starting to sound like a real load.)

[jmalias]

Look for Jeep deals, I

[tsm28]

I bought the same car recently for $30612 incl of all fees. there is much better to be had out there.
Edit: was a 2011. 2012 would be around the $31000 mark even

So what would be the cost for me if I bought from you in Vancouver? :)

[Mr. Mayhew]

So what would be the cost for me if I bought from you in Vancouver? :)

send me an email, we will work it out. :)

[Mr. Mayhew]

Oh, and to add to this, will US dealers sell new vehicles to Canadians, or does it have to always be used? (This is starting to sound like a real load.)

The warranty will come into play after 12k km AND 6 months, you dont need to change the cluster (KM can be set on dash, or u can add odo labels), and GM generally will not sell new to canadians.

If you want to buy a brand new GM and get access to all the rebates, dealer cash, etc, send me an email and let me know what you are looking for. ill send you a quote and breakdown.

jason@lpauto.ca

[DavidN]

Great thread! :)

*Subscribed*

[Monsieurmaggot]

The warranty will come into play after 12k km AND 6 months, you dont need to change the cluster (KM can be set on dash, or u can add odo labels), and GM generally will not sell new to canadians.

If you want to buy a brand new GM and get access to all the rebates, dealer cash, etc, send me an email and let me know what you are looking for. ill send you a quote and breakdown.

jason@lpauto.ca

I wonder if those who insist on buying GMs (I guess there are those out there who still do) and live in Ontario would qualify for the employee discount since the province purchased a percentage of the company as part of their bailout? Be curious to see if that gets mileage.

Check with your local stealer to be sure.

While it irks me that some manufacturers don't honour cross-border warranties, but it bothers me more that the US vendors hide under their shield of "territorial protection" to skirt the Sherman Anti-competition act in the US. Toyota lost that fight about five years ago and ended up paying $35 million dollars in punitive fees.

I really hope someone would challenge the US vendors again.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Okay, to answer the repeated email questions I seem to be getting of late relating to this thread:

I want to publicly say:

NO I am not an auto importer - I am a private individual who has a full-time job (NOT any import-related or automotive business)
NO I am not affiliated with anyone on this, or any site, who import or assist those in importing vehicles at a profit.
NO I don't make any profit from those who import cars - I provide my personal advice and I don't charge for it.
Yes I have a website that promotes how easy it is to buy US vehicles, it's an informational site on this and other topics I have. I don't charge for any information.
I don't condone those sites that do promise assistance with importing a vehicle at a price.

Now that the air is clear again, the dollar is above par today.

[pfbmgd]

Now that the air is clear again, the dollar is above par today.

Hopefully I will have time to go to the US this Saturday . The quotes I have over the phone are not the best . I hope that face to face I can get a better deal .

[DBOi]

Hi there,

Has anyone recently bought a M.Benz from the states? I am reading it will cost $5000 in additional cost (Safetly equipment)for MB Canada to allow me to complete my import.

If anyone has an experience dealing with either a new car or used please give me some advice.

Thanks.

[Deemo]

Now that the air is clear again, the dollar is above par today.

Feel free to clear the air more if it is related to getting the dollar above par more :D

[Sloan55]

I don't condone those sites that do promise assistance with importing a vehicle at a price.


Do you condone plumbers, electricians, lawyers or anyone else that offers there services for a fee? I could research how to rewire my house, or replace by bathroom plumbing, or defend myself in court, but I don't have the time, or would rather pay someone else that specializes in these particular activities to do it on my behalf. I, along with everyone else appreciate what you have done by maintaining this thread and creating your own website, but not everyone wants to deal with the logistics of importing a vehicle. Yes, you can do it yourself and save yourself more money then if you hired a company to do it on your behalf, but you will also take the risk that you will do it incorrectly or it may take you more time or cause you more headache then what you originally anticipated.

[phlegm2]

Hi there,

Has anyone recently bought a M.Benz from the states? I am reading it will cost $5000 in additional cost (Safetly equipment)for MB Canada to allow me to complete my import.

If anyone has an experience dealing with either a new car or used please give me some advice.

Thanks.

I'm not a Benz specialist, but I find the safety equipment costs highly abnormal. The RIV office (not Mercedes Benz) typically only requires that you meet daytime running light, latch children seat safety and immobilizer - check the RIV site for notes about passenger cars, and they'll refer you to Canadian government requirements. Since most vehicles in US are pretty much identical to Canadian counterparts, I struggle to sort out why you'd need to spend $5000. (By the way, if this is about a gauge/cluster change to km/h, this is not mandatory by RIV either - you can even use labels if your dash doesn't support km/h.)

Just remember that the RIV, and Canadian government dictate what you need to do to import - not Mercedes Benz. All Mercedez can do is withould warranty if you don't go through their hoops. Some manufacturers make you spend a lot of money under the guise of a "safety inspection" when in fact little is needed.

Out of curiousity, what is MB asking you to do?

[phlegm2]

I'm not a Benz specialist, but I find the safety equipment costs highly abnormal. The RIV office (not Mercedes Benz) typically only requires that you meet daytime running light, latch children seat safety and immobilizer - check the RIV site for notes about passenger cars, and they'll refer you to Canadian government requirements. Since most vehicles in US are pretty much identical to Canadian counterparts, I struggle to sort out why you'd need to spend $5000. (By the way, if this is about a gauge/cluster change to km/h, this is not mandatory by RIV either - you can even use labels if your dash doesn't support km/h.)

Just remember that the RIV, and Canadian government dictate what you need to do to import - not Mercedes Benz. All Mercedez can do is withould warranty if you don't go through their hoops. Some manufacturers make you spend a lot of money under the guise of a "safety inspection" when in fact little is needed.

Out of curiousity, what is MB asking you to do?

...and beware of asking a Canadian dealer about what is required for importation. My father-in-law was at a Canadian GMC dealer this week, and mentioned we were looking at the US. They mentioned that "the airbag timing specifications are different in Canada, so you'd have to replace your bumpers". What a complete fraud!

[diigii]

Hey! Leave MonsieurMaggot alone! :razz: I still owe this guy a beer or two for the help he gave me. Not to mention the butterflies in my stomach while on my way to the border with my car. The best purchase decision I have done so far.

Monsieur, we are planning to buy a minivan but is made in Japan. I've got butterflies on how my "adventure" will come out. I've done the NAFTA car before, so this is a bit different now. US dealer is now offering a $100-1,000 discount on any in-stock van in their lot after I haven't replied to his offer of invoice price less $800 internet discount plus $200 worth of accesories I want.

[freewheel]

Do you condone plumbers, electricians, lawyers or anyone else that offers there services for a fee? I could research how to rewire my house, or replace by bathroom plumbing, or defend myself in court, but I don't have the time, or would rather pay someone else that specializes in these particular activities to do it on my behalf. I, along with everyone else appreciate what you have done by maintaining this thread and creating your own website, but not everyone wants to deal with the logistics of importing a vehicle. Yes, you can do it yourself and save yourself more money then if you hired a company to do it on your behalf, but you will also take the risk that you will do it incorrectly or it may take you more time or cause you more headache then what you originally anticipated.

In the end you are entitled to do what you want. monsiuermaggot staarted this thread to assist us in saving money. Some of us have used the information here to save thousands by importing ourselves.
Redflagdeals is about us helping each other to save a few bucks.
Some have tried, and I guess successfully, to turn this thread into an advertisement for heir business.
Perhaps there is a need for their services but maybe they should promote their business through paying for ads rather than hijacking a self help thread.
Just my 2 cents.
Thanks monsiuermaggot.

[temporalillusion]

I'm thinking of getting a used Audi A5, and importing might be an option.

I'm in Calgary so just hopping across the border isn't really an option, and I'm finding that prices close to the border (Seattle say) aren't that much different than what I'm finding in Canada.

However if I look down in Phoenix or in California, I see much much better prices, enough to actually save some $$ or get a car one or even two years newer.

From what I understand Audi honours the warranty. I'm probably willing to fly down and drive it back, so I probably don't have to worry about shipping (though depends on cost of shipping too).

Anyway, are there areas that are better than others to look? I figure Phoenix and Cali are good too look at since the climate is good, no worry about weather or salt damage.

Anything else I should be aware of?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Do you condone plumbers, electricians, lawyers or anyone else that offers there services for a fee? I could research how to rewire my house, or replace by bathroom plumbing, or defend myself in court, but I don't have the time, or would rather pay someone else that specializes in these particular activities to do it on my behalf. I, along with everyone else appreciate what you have done by maintaining this thread and creating your own website, but not everyone wants to deal with the logistics of importing a vehicle. Yes, you can do it yourself and save yourself more money then if you hired a company to do it on your behalf, but you will also take the risk that you will do it incorrectly or it may take you more time or cause you more headache then what you originally anticipated.

Well said but you read my comments out of context. I don't have any issues with people who seek help of others. The comments I wrote related to people who've emailed me saying that I'm on the payroll of some importers and specifically that I recommend using paid services.

I don't have a problem with how people import cars (the fact that they do it speaks volumes) but I am offended that some people choose to use anonymous emails to criticize my information and ask me to "stop hiding behind my online moniker" and reveal my true import business aspirations (???).

Many on this thread import vehicles for a living and ply their wares accordingly. If I was an importer, I certainly would be doing the same. I don't since I'm not in that line of business.

My information-based site doesn't link to any import business or enterprise either.

Many of us know, that there are websites who've directly used information off this thread to start up businesses and actually charge money (something like $10) for the same FAQ information that is posted in post #1 for free. The FAQ on this site was compiled with the help of many RFD members. It's been posted there for over five years and gets updated regularly.

[mohitk]

Hey! Leave MonsieurMaggot alone! :razz: I still owe this guy a beer or two for the help he gave me. Not to mention the butterflies in my stomach while on my way to the border with my car. The best purchase decision I have done so far.

Monsieur, we are planning to buy a minivan but is made in Japan. I've got butterflies on how my "adventure" will come out. I've done the NAFTA car before, so this is a bit different now. US dealer is now offering a $100-1,000 discount on any in-stock van in their lot after I haven't replied to his offer of invoice price less $800 internet discount plus $200 worth of accesories I want.

Which one are you looking for? The quest?

[leungly]

Is there a list compiled somewhere of Dealerships in the United States that enjoy dealing with Canadians looking to import vehicles?

Possibly by Manufacturer?

[diigii]

Yes, the SV model which has a few equipments as standard, not offered in the Canadian-spec. Value of the equipment is around $2800 (based on prices found on Nissan Canada's website) plus the $200 worth of aftermarket accesories they will install at the dealership.


Which one are you looking for? The quest?

[diigii]

The dollar has hit parity again the past few days. To pull the trigger or not, that is the question. :D

[rjmbc]

I'm thinking of getting a used Audi A5, and importing might be an option.

I'm in Calgary so just hopping across the border isn't really an option, and I'm finding that prices close to the border (Seattle say) aren't that much different than what I'm finding in Canada.

However if I look down in Phoenix or in California, I see much much better prices, enough to actually save some $$ or get a car one or even two years newer.

From what I understand Audi honours the warranty. I'm probably willing to fly down and drive it back, so I probably don't have to worry about shipping (though depends on cost of shipping too).

Anyway, are there areas that are better than others to look? I figure Phoenix and Cali are good too look at since the climate is good, no worry about weather or salt damage.

Anything else I should be aware of?

If you buy in CA from a dealer, you will likely be stuck with CA State Sales Tax unless you ship (not drive) it out of CA. They work on a "wheels first touch the road" principle.

[temporalillusion]

Good to know, thanks!

[RichieTheHammer]

I'm doing this a bit in reverse...
I found a vehicle and put together a deal.
Now I'm looking for a few answers...

The vehicle is a 2003 Toyota MR2 Spyder.
It will be purchased for $16k USD. Seems high but the car is exceptional.
Location of the vehicle is in Portland Oregon and I reside in Kamloops BC.
The seller (a dealer) is willing to arrange shipping to the border (his cost), and install the daytime running lights (included in price) (or turn them into daytime runners).

Q 01) Whats the most cost effective way to pay for the vehicle Canadian to US funds, and mve the money from me to him?

Q 02) Once the car is at the border then what? I mean do I have to cross into the USA myself? Get a US driving permit? Get a Canadian permit before hand?

This thread is full of great information, but also broken links etc etc. I guess I'm looking for someone to mentor me and help me do it cost effectively, and efficiently.

The Hammer

[rjmbc]

I'm doing this a bit in reverse...
I found a vehicle and put together a deal.
Now I'm looking for a few answers...

The vehicle is a 2003 Toyota MR2 Spyder.
It will be purchased for $16k USD. Seems high but the car is exceptional.
Location of the vehicle is in Portland Oregon and I reside in Kamloops BC.
The seller (a dealer) is willing to arrange shipping to the border (his cost), and install the daytime running lights (included in price) (or turn them into daytime runners).

Q 01) Whats the most cost effective way to pay for the vehicle Canadian to US funds, and mve the money from me to him?

Q 02) Once the car is at the border then what? I mean do I have to cross into the USA myself? Get a US driving permit? Get a Canadian permit before hand?

This thread is full of great information, but also broken links etc etc. I guess I'm looking for someone to mentor me and help me do it cost effectively, and efficiently.

The Hammer

PM me and I can walk you through the process. I have imported a number of vehicles thru Blaine. I live in Kelowna.

[WilliamAdama]

Hey Folks,
I'm a long time fan of this thread, keep it going!
I imported a used Audi A6 3 years ago and saved about 17K in the process. Considering how many times the local d/stealers have tried to hose me on unnecessary service items, I'm happy to avoid ever having to give them another dime.
The car ran beautifully, which I'm told is a lucky thing for Audis! It was unfortunately destroyed by a driver asleep at the while while parked, and (sadly) I'm in the market for a new one.
Do you guys know of any trusted brokers/dealers who do this for a living? The ones I used in the past seem to have gone out of business.

[loybond]

With a 7-8k budget, are any cars actually worth it to import? Almost everything I've compared on autotrader is the same or more money (in that range).

Would there be any way to buy from US auctions? I found a curbside dealer in the States last year and bought a car for $500 over auction price, turned out to be a very good deal.

[Mr. Mayhew]

With a 7-8k budget, are any cars actually worth it to import? Almost everything I've compared on autotrader is the same or more money (in that range).

Would there be any way to buy from US auctions? I found a curbside dealer in the States last year and bought a car for $500 over auction price, turned out to be a very good deal.


I would suggest buying locally with that budget. Will probably be cheaper than importing, and even if it werent, would you go through the hassle for a $1k savings?

[sienna owner]

Yes, the SV model which has a few equipments as standard, not offered in the Canadian-spec. Value of the equipment is around $2800 (based on prices found on Nissan Canada's website) plus the $200 worth of aftermarket accesories they will install at the dealership.

dont' like the sienna ?? LOL
sticking with nissan eh?

[MADMAX333]

guys i have searched alot but haven't found anything online so i'll ask it here

does anyone know of any company or dealership or whatever who i can deal with directly here and they take care of all importations and such? i don't mean an import company though, problem is i am looking to finance a vehicle using an bank auto loan, that doesnt work for buying a US car so i was wondering if i can get a loan and deal with a Canadian Dealer who usually goes to states to buy cars and it'll be just like if they went over to buy random cars, except they will buy one with my specifications along with them and once back i use the loan to purchase the car.

if not, then are there any canadian or US banks which would give an Auto loan for a US car?

thank you

[kika55]

Need advice for 1st time importer.

I buy a car in Chicago and drive it to Calgary. Do I need to care about temp plates for each state I pass through, since I'll be going through Wisconsin, Minnesota, North Dakota?

[XZerg]

Need advice for 1st time importer.

I buy a car in Chicago and drive it to Calgary. Do I need to care about temp plates for each state I pass through, since I'll be going through Wisconsin, Minnesota, North Dakota?

No - I drove my Sienna from Virginia to Toronto through Virginia, Maryland, West Virginia, New York and Pennsylvania with no questions asked. It is good for 30 days only and you want to act fast to get all the stuff taken care of too - need to get safety and emissions and any necessary changes before you can go and get the Canadian license plate.

[bobby]

Hi

I am buying the 2012 Sienna from US .Unfortunately the RIV has no info on if 2012 Sienna are admissible . I called up the Riv and they told that Toyota has not send any information for 2012 models to Transport Canada. Any way
can I speed up the process.

Thanks

[Mr. Mayhew]

Hi

I am buying the 2012 Sienna from US .Unfortunately the RIV has no info on if 2012 Sienna are admissible . I called up the Riv and they told that Toyota has not send any information for 2012 models to Transport Canada. Any way
can I speed up the process.

Thanks

Nope. gotta play the waiting game unfortunately. I suspect they will update the list in the next 2 weeks or so, as normally they update it around this time.

[bobby]

Nope. gotta play the waiting game unfortunately. I suspect they will update the list in the next 2 weeks or so, as normally they update it around this time.

Thanks

[mtl_cheapo]

guys i have searched alot but haven't found anything online so i'll ask it here

does anyone know of any company or dealership or whatever who i can deal with directly here and they take care of all importations and such? i don't mean an import company though, problem is i am looking to finance a vehicle using an bank auto loan, that doesnt work for buying a US car so i was wondering if i can get a loan and deal with a Canadian Dealer who usually goes to states to buy cars and it'll be just like if they went over to buy random cars, except they will buy one with my specifications along with them and once back i use the loan to purchase the car.

if not, then are there any canadian or US banks which would give an Auto loan for a US car?

thank you

I think if you go to the canadian banks and ask them for a car loan you should be good. you will probably just need to show them the bill of sale or offer to purchase agreement. i was able to get an auto loan from TD. all that they asked for was the offer to purchase agreement, then they wired the money to the dealership on my behalf.

[mtl_cheapo]

Need advice for 1st time importer.

I buy a car in Chicago and drive it to Calgary. Do I need to care about temp plates for each state I pass through, since I'll be going through Wisconsin, Minnesota, North Dakota?


No - I drove my Sienna from Virginia to Toronto through Virginia, Maryland, West Virginia, New York and Pennsylvania with no questions asked. It is good for 30 days only and you want to act fast to get all the stuff taken care of too - need to get safety and emissions and any necessary changes before you can go and get the Canadian license plate.

Same here, I was able to drive through ohio and michigan with temp plates from ohio. the temp plate was just a piece of paper also that stated an expiry date a month from purchase date.

[mtl_cheapo]

as many of you know, there are many states that charge sales tax. this can be avoided if you ship the car. most people would have the car shipped to the border and pick it up from there. but an option worth considering is to have it shipped to just outside of the state where you are making the purchase. in my case, i had purchases a 2011 toyota sienna back in september from anderson, indiana. i had it shipped to dayton, ohio which was just 100 miles away. my dealer was able to set it up for me to avoid the sales tax.

hope the info helps someone.

cheers,

mtl_cheapo

[majic]

so i emailed audi.. here is their response


Further to your inquiry, we must regretfully advise you that, at this time, Audi Canada does not have plans to offer European Deliveries.

It is our understanding that U.S. Audi dealerships are not authorized to sell new vehicles to Canadian residents for the purpose of importing them. We suggest that you discuss your inquiries directly with a U.S. dealership as they would be in the best position to answer your question.

Thank you for writing and your interest in Audi.


1) sucks to be us.. we don't get EDP and we get shafted with higher prices
2) lol @ authorized to sell to canadians

anyway, does anyone know whether you can buy an audi from a US dealer, take european delivery (do the factory tour, maybe take a few days vacation around europe and drop the car off at one of the 15 locations) come back and then 4-8 weeks later import the car into canada?

[Albertan]

Looking to pick up a cheap used 2010/2011 low mileage Legacy Premium 2.5i. Any access to the auctions by anyone here?

[steveman]

So I brought my brand new Ford Explorer into Canada, did the US 72 hour thing before, paid the GST at customs and passed the inspection two days later. When I went to register my car at the provincial SAAQ (Quebec) today they said they had to run a check to make sure the car was new and that they'd call me back when in a few hours when they got the ok. All my paperwork was in order so I'm very confused. Has any one else here gone through this? I'm still waiting for their call.:mad:

[pfbmgd]

So I brought my brand new Ford Explorer into Canada, did the US 72 hour thing before, paid the GST at customs and passed the inspection two days later. When I went to register my car at the provincial SAAQ (Quebec) today they said they had to run a check to make sure the car was new and that they'd call me back when in a few hours when they got the ok. All my paperwork was in order so I'm very confused. Has any one else here gone through this? I'm still waiting for their call.:mad:

How much did you save ?

[steveman]

How much did you save ?

I was lucky to get it in when we had the short upward swing in the CDN $ and saved about 1,500. I think that it would be more a lot more now that Ford no longer has the employee pricing incentive.

[sienna owner]

as many of you know, there are many states that charge sales tax. this can be avoided if you ship the car. most people would have the car shipped to the border and pick it up from there. but an option worth considering is to have it shipped to just outside of the state where you are making the purchase. in my case, i had purchases a 2011 toyota sienna back in september from anderson, indiana. i had it shipped to dayton, ohio which was just 100 miles away. my dealer was able to set it up for me to avoid the sales tax.

hope the info helps someone.

cheers,

mtl_cheapo


will have to keep you in mind if our next is a sienna again...
we ended up paying taxes in michigan...

[poncho@home]

Steveman

I went through the same thing with both my cars. They do a verification on the title. I assume it has to do with the fact that the title gets replaced with the vehicle registration here in Quebec, essentially making that the title.

No worries, its all good in the end!

[Mr. Mayhew]

Looking to pick up a cheap used 2010/2011 low mileage Legacy Premium 2.5i. Any access to the auctions by anyone here?

Right here. Auction or wholesale network will be best for that vehicle. Lots of subaru rentals out there so pricing should be attractive. Otherwise we can scope out some Subaru USA demos or something of the sort. I think you know my email, send me what you need and your particulars.

[steveman]

Steveman

I went through the same thing with both my cars. They do a verification on the title. I assume it has to do with the fact that the title gets replaced with the vehicle registration here in Quebec, essentially making that the title.

No worries, its all good in the end!

Thanks poncho - I did finally get the plate. I guess it was all just too easy and I was expecting a bump in the road.... other than a short delay at the SAAQ there wasn't any.

[iamfob]

I am looking for a 2005 or 2006 Subaru Impreza STi in the States. I went thru Auto Trader, Craigslist and Cars.com and haven't find the one I want. Any suggestion of where else to look for the STi?

Anyone have access to auction listings?

Feel free to PM me :)

[Deemo]

I am looking for a 2005 or 2006 Subaru Impreza STi in the States. I went thru Auto Trader, Craigslist and Cars.com and haven't find the one I want. Any suggestion of where else to look for the STi?

Anyone have access to auction listings?

Feel free to PM me :)

Did you check the RIV listing to make sure that year is admissable?

[iamfob]

Did you check the RIV listing to make sure that year is admissable?

Yup I did, it's admissable :)

[diigii]

dont' like the sienna ?? LOL
sticking with nissan eh?

Nothing against your Sienna. But we looked at the Toyota Sienna but it just wasn't appealing to us. The interior quality did not help at all with its cheap plastic look. My wife owns a Matrix so she wanted the Sienna but when we looked at it the dealership, she was turned off by it. The Honda Odyssey, on the other hand, is still saddled with transmission problems and the lightning-themed rear-quarter window is just so fugly.

The Quest's boxy rear is unconventional but it is appealing to both of us. But what we really liked about the Quest is the interior quality. The dash looks upscale and the material quality is being lauded by the automotive press as luxurious for a minivan. Even though it's got the smallest cargo capacity, it's only two kids in the middle row. And we're not moving the whole community in it. The press seemed to make a big deal out of that part of the car. Why? Will owners be loading washer/dryers or 8x5 boards all day everyday in their family vans?

Right now, I've got 3 Maryland-area dealerships that are giving me $28,466 invoice price that Edmunds.com says is the fair market value. Two of them are willing to deal under that price too. So for an SV model that retails $35K here in Canada, I'm saving at least $7000 after taxes have been added to the final price. And the Us-spec SV model has more standard equipment than the SV sold here in Canada.

So another big Thank You to Monsieurmaggot for starting this thread.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Thanks for your kind words.

This thread is still going like gangbusters.

Judging by it's sheer size and longevity, while some threads on RFD can save you 50% off some product or services, nothing compares to the magnitude of savings that can be enjoyed by buying vehicles in the US. Without much effort, you can save yourself thousands (if not tens of thousands) of dollars buying in the US.

Canadian retailers still don't get this.

It's not just vehicles.

I took a count and most of my big ticket purchases in the past few years were purchased from the US. That's a lot of money going south.

Even with the crazy markup on diamonds. I bought my wife's diamond ring from Blue Nile and it was thousands cheaper than locally in Canada.

My brother picked up a high-end Weber barbeque in Detroit and after duty and GST found it about 75% cheaper than it was in Canada. He even got in in a copper colour that wasn't available here.

The local Weber dealer in Canada told him that his cost was even more than what my brother paid. If he was smart, that dealer should drop his patronage of Weber Canada and import barbecues from the US and sell them at a small markup.

Living in a border city, I can't tell you the last time he or his friends bought any large item in Canada. His tires, furniture and vacations are all based out of Detroit. Cars, RVs and boats are all purchased down south.

Canadian retailers just don't get it. The Internet is a wonderful thing.

[doublesman]

My horror story and if anyone can throw my any help\advice or even the name of a good lawyer (if I need one) please don't hesitate.

Following from this thread and another here on RFD (the one with point by point instructions on the import process), I bought my car in the States and was driving it back to Ontario. Then the unthinkable happened. I hit a deer, the car is no longer drive-able and the car is stuck in the States, I took a plane home :( . I am living with constant anxiety at this point.

I am waiting for the insurance company (the name of which I would mention in a later post) to look at the car , however I do not know what to expect from them. The temp tag expires in a month.

- I do not know if the insurance company would fix the car or pay me for it or how the process even works given that I have a US title in my name. The car was almost brand new and the shop its in says that it is borderline repairable. :cry:
- Even if the car is fixed (either by me or by the insurance company), I don't even know how to get the car to Canada since I would no longer have any temporary tag. I guess my only option at this point would be to ship the car all the way across the border to my home and then get a temporary Ontario tag.

I would ask more specific advice later and keep people posted on how to navigate out of this one if I make it out. :(

[tyrrell]

Hi, great thread lots of useful info.... Just have a few questions that I would like to see if anybody could help me with.

Planning on buying a used 2010/2011 Nissan Maxima from Virginia, and I wanted to see if we could get some help.

MY uncle who lives in the states emailed Nissan who said I could actually get financing. The title could be placed both in my uncles name and my name.

I was just wondering what issues this would cause in terms of the import process? Has anybody done anything similar?

Thanks

[Monsieurmaggot]

I bought my car in the States and was driving it back to Ontario. Then the unthinkable happened. I hit a deer, the car is no longer drive-able and the car is stuck in the States, I took a plane home :( . I am living with constant anxiety at this point.

I am waiting for the insurance company (the name of which I would mention in a later post) to look at the car , however I do not know what to expect from them.

- I do not know if the insurance company would fix the car or pay me for it or how the process even works given that I have a US title in my name. The car was almost brand new and the shop its in says that it is borderline repairable. :cry:

I would ask more specific advice later and keep people posted on how to navigate out of this one if I make it out. :(

That's a very sad story.

I have a couple of observations to make (completely my opinion); If you were properly insured when the collision took place, your insurance company should repair the vehicle in the jurisdiction where the damage occurred. I know a few people who had accidents in the US and were protected. Unfortunately they did have to pay some out of pocket expenses since the vehicle coverage did not fully cover hotel/food.

The fact that the vehicle was in transit was inconsequential. If you were issued the insurance slip and they still argue with you, then I would get a lawyer.

Depending on the insurer, they might simply pay you outright for the purchase price (another good reason to report that) or have it repaired. I don't think there's depreciation on the day you purchase the vehicle - even though folks would argue that - a lawyer would prove otherwise.

Let us know what happens.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Hi, great thread lots of useful info.... Just have a few questions that I would like to see if anybody could help me with.

Planning on buying a used 2010/2011 Nissan Maxima from Virginia, and I wanted to see if we could get some help.

MY uncle who lives in the states emailed Nissan who said I could actually get financing. The title could be placed both in my uncles name and my name.

I was just wondering what issues this would cause in terms of the import process? Has anybody done anything similar?

Thanks

This has been covered many times. You don't qualify for the financing in the US regardless of what the dealer tells you. The lien will be solely in your uncles name since you are not a US resident. US Customs will have an issue when you export the vehicle since a lien will be registered and you won't be allowed to export the vehicle.

To do so, your uncle will need to sell you the vehicle and satisfy the lien in order for you to export it. Alternately, he won't be able to import if for you since he's not a resident of Canada.

The vehicle MUST be in the name of the importing Canadian resident's name (or company) in order to import a vehicle.

You can confirm this at the Canadian Border website.

[paaji]

Anyone have their vehicle shipped from east to west (BC or Washington).
Would be able to recommend me good shipping company and process?
Thanks

[fallengod]

Has anyone imported an Golf GTI before?, The price difference on that car is massive in the usa vs canada, where the price for used 2011 in canada is still in the 30-32k range whereas in the usa is only 23k or so.

do anyone know what addition cost is needed to be done to get that car canadian ready?

how much can I reasonably bargain off on a used car from the dealers?


Also how do everyone plan their trips? I'm from Ottawa and it seem most decent deal are near nyc so that an 7-8h drive.
I was planing to go car shopping in the USA on a Saturday, buy the car, drive home on the same day and wait for all the paper work to be done. but how am I suppose to go back to pick up the car? flying? busing?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Has anyone imported an Golf GTI before?, The price difference on that car is massive in the usa vs canada, where the price for used 2011 in canada is still in the 30-32k range whereas in the usa is only 23k or so.

do anyone know what addition cost is needed to be done to get that car canadian ready?

how much can I reasonably bargain off on a used car from the dealers?


Also how do everyone plan their trips? I'm from Ottawa and it seem most decent deal are near nyc so that an 7-8h drive.
I was planing to go car shopping in the USA on a Saturday, buy the car, drive home on the same day and wait for all the paper work to be done. but how am I suppose to go back to pick up the car? flying? busing?

The VW Golfs are assembled in Europe and you will be subject to the 6.1% duty.

To find out what exactly is required, your best bet is www.RIV.ca since they're the determining body.


wait for all the paperwork to be done

You won't be able to buy the vehicle and import it the same day. US Customs requires 72 hours to pre-clear the vehicle so you'll need to submit the purchase documentation to them first. It's the toughest step to be sure.

If you bus it to NY, to be safe you'd be better off getting a return ticket so US Customs (upon your entry) doesn't hassle you on trying to move to the States. You can always get that portion refunded if your bus ticket purchase permits it.

[Mr. Mayhew]

Anyone have their vehicle shipped from east to west (BC or Washington).
Would be able to recommend me good shipping company and process?
Thanks

Best bet is to check www.transportreviews.com

Don't go based on pricing alone, you could potentially end up with a very big headache/damaged car on your hands. Read the reviews, find someone with a good rating and shop 2 or 3 of them.

[fallengod]

how would I go about paying for the car? something tell me that walking around in the usa wit 23k of cash isn't the smartest thing one can do.

do dealers accept bank draft from canadian banks?

[Mr. Mayhew]

how would I go about paying for the car? something tell me that walking around in the usa wit 23k of cash isn't the smartest thing one can do.

do dealers accept bank draft from canadian banks?

Wire transfer is king. Just get their banking info and send it over. $18 cost on average.

[phlegm2]

how would I go about paying for the car? something tell me that walking around in the usa wit 23k of cash isn't the smartest thing one can do.

do dealers accept bank draft from canadian banks?

You should avoid bringing cash (and equivalent monetary instruments) > $10K into the US as you have to fill out additional forms. (Contrary to popular belief, you can indeed bring any amount into the US you wish, but you have to fill out the proper forms, i.e. FinCen 105).

To purchase a vehicle in the US, people typically:
1. Wire the money to the dealership.
2. Bring a bank draft (aka "bank check" in the US) payable to the dealership.

I prefer option #2, because you can physically inspect the vehicle in person before handing over the money to the dealership. If you wire the amount in advance, you could not cancel the deal. (Unless you can initiate the wire transfer after you've inspected the vehicle.)

Note that a bank draft / bank check is not subject to the $10K limit I mention above. This is because it is made payable to a specific "person", and cannot be endorsed. You can see more details here, on the US FinCen105 form itself:
http://www.fincen.gov/forms/files/fin105_cmir.pdf

[phlegm2]

Wanted to pass along an update to my 2011 GMC Yukon import for my father-in-law.

GM puts up a lot of barriers to discourage importation:
1. Dealers are prevented from selling new vehicles to Canadians, even if you go very far South. (Sometimes only border dealers are not permitted to sell to Canadians.)
2. The warranty is honoured in Canada, but not until the vehicle has 12,000 kms on it and is in their system for at least 6 months.
3. They charge a ridiculous $270 for a recall clearance letter via their "Vintage Vehicle" dept.

I found several fantastic deal on new cars down there, but quickly found that limitation #1 applied everywhere. A broker (like LP Auto in this forum) can likely avoid this limitation, so consider Mr. Mayhew as an option if you want a new vehicle.

Thankfully, we found a super low milage used vehicle (only 631 miles) in NC, with the options we wanted. Flew down and paid via bank draft payable to the dealership.

As for importation, there is a lot of talk about the daytime running light modifications. The Yukon (and perhaps other GMC trucks) have an "off" selection on the main light knob. This will even turn off the DRL while the car is moving, which is a no-no for Canada. However, I had the US dealership update the BCM with Canadian firmware. So, even if someone selects "off', the DRLs remain on while the vehicle is in motion. The dealer did this for free, although I heard quotes of ~$150 for this.

However, I just got the RIV inspection form yesterday, and they don't ask Canadian tire to check for this anyway, i.e. "check to ensure DRL cannot be disabled". The only DRL check on the RIV form is: "This vehicle requires daytime running lights. Vehicles using turning signals for daytime running light systems must have lamp lesnes clearly marked DRL, otherwise the vehicle will fail the inspection." So, I suspect the average Canadian Tire inspector would not even know that DRL could be turned off.

As for GMC limitation #3 above (recall clearance), I had the US dealership give me a query against their database (Global Warranty Management) confirming no outstanding recalls (aka Required Field Actions) on the vehicle. I also had them type the same on their dealeship letterhead. This was accepted by the RIV, and saved us another $270 on the GMC B.S.


Hope this helps. PM me if you need help with a GMC vehicle or Volvo as I've imported both now. (Volvo is way easier and offers no B.S. restrictions like GMC.)

[Mr. Mayhew]

Wanted to pass along an update to my 2011 GMC Yukon import for my father-in-law.

GM puts up a lot of barriers to discourage importation:
1. Dealers are prevented from selling new vehicles to Canadians, even if you go very far South. (Sometimes only border dealers are not permitted to sell to Canadians.)
2. The warranty is honoured in Canada, but not until the vehicle has 12,000 kms on it and is in their system for at least 6 months.
3. They charge a ridiculous $270 for a recall clearance letter via their "Vintage Vehicle" dept.

I found several fantastic deal on new cars down there, but quickly found that limitation #1 applied everywhere. A broker (like LP Auto in this forum) can likely avoid this limitation, so consider Mr. Mayhew as an option if you want a new vehicle.

Thankfully, we found a super low milage used vehicle (only 631 miles) in NC, with the options we wanted. Flew down and paid via bank draft payable to the dealership.

As for importation, there is a lot of talk about the daytime running light modifications. The Yukon (and perhaps other GMC trucks) have an "off" selection on the main light knob. This will even turn off the DRL while the car is moving, which is a no-no for Canada. However, I had the US dealership update the BCM with Canadian firmware. So, even if someone selects "off', the DRLs remain on while the vehicle is in motion. The dealer did this for free, although I heard quotes of ~$150 for this.

However, I just got the RIV inspection form yesterday, and they don't ask Canadian tire to check for this anyway, i.e. "check to ensure DRL cannot be disabled". The only DRL check on the RIV form is: "This vehicle requires daytime running lights. Vehicles using turning signals for daytime running light systems must have lamp lesnes clearly marked DRL, otherwise the vehicle will fail the inspection." So, I suspect the average Canadian Tire inspector would not even know that DRL could be turned off.

As for GMC limitation #3 above (recall clearance), I had the US dealership give me a query against their database (Global Warranty Management) confirming no outstanding recalls (aka Required Field Actions) on the vehicle. I also had them type the same on their dealeship letterhead. This was accepted by the RIV, and saved us another $270 on the GMC B.S.


Hope this helps. PM me if you need help with a GMC vehicle or Volvo as I've imported both now. (Volvo is way easier and offers no B.S. restrictions like GMC.)

Thanks for the mention in your post! glad to hear you guys found yourselves a truck and everything went off without a hitch!
One thing i wanted to mention though regarding your previous post ($10k+ brought down to USA), i do not think you can cross with a bank draft or money order as the border considers it the same as cash/cheque. if you declare it you will need to go in and fill out those forms... Im not sure if that's what you meant but just wanted to point it out so someone doesnt read it and try to cross with a draft for $30k+ USD haha.

Once again congrats on the new truck for your folks!

[mohitk]

Nothing against your Sienna. But we looked at the Toyota Sienna but it just wasn't appealing to us. The interior quality did not help at all with its cheap plastic look. My wife owns a Matrix so she wanted the Sienna but when we looked at it the dealership, she was turned off by it. The Honda Odyssey, on the other hand, is still saddled with transmission problems and the lightning-themed rear-quarter window is just so fugly.

The Quest's boxy rear is unconventional but it is appealing to both of us. But what we really liked about the Quest is the interior quality. The dash looks upscale and the material quality is being lauded by the automotive press as luxurious for a minivan. Even though it's got the smallest cargo capacity, it's only two kids in the middle row. And we're not moving the whole community in it. The press seemed to make a big deal out of that part of the car. Why? Will owners be loading washer/dryers or 8x5 boards all day everyday in their family vans?

Right now, I've got 3 Maryland-area dealerships that are giving me $28,466 invoice price that Edmunds.com says is the fair market value. Two of them are willing to deal under that price too. So for an SV model that retails $35K here in Canada, I'm saving at least $7000 after taxes have been added to the final price. And the Us-spec SV model has more standard equipment than the SV sold here in Canada.

So another big Thank You to Monsieurmaggot for starting this thread.

FYI - There's a 3K rebate - not sure if it applies to Canadians that might be prompting the dealers to be that accomodating..

http://www.edmunds.com/nissan/quest/2011/car-incentives.html?style=101369243

[phlegm2]

Thanks for the mention in your post! glad to hear you guys found yourselves a truck and everything went off without a hitch!
One thing i wanted to mention though regarding your previous post ($10k+ brought down to USA), i do not think you can cross with a bank draft or money order as the border considers it the same as cash/cheque. if you declare it you will need to go in and fill out those forms... Im not sure if that's what you meant but just wanted to point it out so someone doesnt read it and try to cross with a draft for $30k+ USD haha.

Once again congrats on the new truck for your folks!

Thanks for the comment Mr. Mayhew, and your ongoing support in this forum.

There's definitely some confusion around bank drafts, but the FinCen 105 form indicates the following:

"Monetary instruments do not include (i) checks or money orders made payable to the order of a named person which have not been endorsed or which bear restrictive endorsements, (ii) warehouse receipts, or (iii) bills of lading." Also, you'll find that a "named person" can include a private individual all the way through to a corporation. The legal advice given to me is that a bank draft specifically (and only) payable to a dealership is fine. The idea is to have all funds traceable, and this certainly is.

That said, I'm not a lawyer, so I urge everyone to contact a lawyer if you have concerns, or wire the funds directly.

[fallengod]

I found an used 2011 vw GTI with sunroof for $23k all in and it has 9000miles on it...only issue is that there are some scratches on the bumper lip that not too noticeable. do you think this is a good deal that I should jump on?

[Mr. Mayhew]

I found an used 2011 vw GTI with sunroof for $23k all in and it has 9000miles on it...only issue is that there are some scratches on the bumper lip that not too noticeable. do you think this is a good deal that I should jump on?

Keep in mind that 23k will equal about $25700 plus taxes (not including any shipping or added misc costs whatsoever).... if you see that locally cars are selling for more than $26k then yes, i say go for it. also keep in mind that after 2008 VW warranty DOES NOT transfer into canada, so there should be a price disparity to make it worth it.
BE SURE TO VERIFY CARFAX, TITLE and REGISTERED OWNERS NAME WITH ID (if private). If you see this on craigslist in the USA and someone emails you back saying they want you to pay via ebay/yahoo escrow then it is 100% a scam DO NOT BUY ANYTHING PRIVATELY UNLESS YOU GO IN PERSON AND VERIFY THE TITLE WITH THE OWNERS ID BEFORE PAYING.

If something seems too good to be true then assume it is. do your homework and dont buy something from another country without performing your due diligence.

blows my mind how many people get scammed cuz they get excited and wire money when they see a good deal... i cant even count on my fingers and toes how many people have contacted me to help them import these too good to be true/divorce/bankruptcy/BS deals from craigslist...

[fallengod]

btw some useful info on VW warranty I though I should share with everone....now how to fake "US residence" :D

how come 23k will be 25k + tax... are you factoring the duty?

The math I have is
(($23k * 1.06) * 1.13 ) car + duty + HST
+
($195.00 * 1.13 ) RIV
+
(100) AC tax


so (24056.00 * 1.06 * 1.13) + 204 + 100 = $29118 .... am i right?



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[Mr. Mayhew]

btw some useful info on VW warranty I though I should share with everone....now how to fake "US residence" :D

how come 23k will be 25k + tax... are you factoring the duty?

The math I have is
(($23k * 1.06) * 1.13 ) car + duty + HST
+
($195.00 * 1.13 ) RIV
+
(100) AC tax


so (24056.00 * 1.06 * 1.13) + 204 + 100 = $29118 .... am i right?

Purchase Price USD 23000
Transportation to Border 0
Value for duty @ 1.031 23713
Duty (if applicable) 6.10% 1446
Excise tax on air conditioner 100
RIV, Levies, Storage, Gas, Misc 305
Inspection Fees 120
Total Cost 25684 plus tax

Also, you can fake US residence to have warranty work done in the USA which is standard practice, but your VW warranty will not transfer into Canada regardless.

[paaji]

Hi,

I know I need the following:

1. Manufacturer Certificate of Origin or Manufacturer State of Origin (MCO or MSO)
2. DMV Title (Produced by DMV the first time the car was registered)
3. Typed letter (with letterhead) from the manufacturer (not the dealership) stating the car (including the specific VIN) does not have a Recall Pending.

Is there something else I need before Importing the car to BC Canada?

Car will be shipped from east to Belligham Washington. Can I get ICBC to register the car in BC Canada (before importing) and take the plates to US when importing it? Are you allowed to that?
Since Car is being shipped from different State.

Or Should tell tell Dealer of east to give temporary plates while shipping the car?

Thanks

[phlegm2]

Hi,

I know I need the following:

1. Manufacturer Certificate of Origin or Manufacturer State of Origin (MCO or MSO)
2. DMV Title (Produced by DMV the first time the car was registered)
3. Typed letter (with letterhead) from the manufacturer (not the dealership) stating the car (including the specific VIN) does not have a Recall Pending.

Is there something else I need before Importing the car to BC Canada?

Car will be shipped from east to Belligham Washington. Can I get ICBC to register the car in BC Canada (before importing) and take the plates to US when importing it? Are you allowed to that?
Since Car is being shipped from different State.

Or Should tell tell Dealer of east to give temporary plates while shipping the car?

Thanks

I'm not sure why you'd need item #2 and you have options for #3.

I've never heard of a DMV title requirement before. I have imported 3 cars back to Canada (Ontario) and the only title document I've required is the original one the dealer provides, aka MSO, CO. In your case is the original title document not available, and thus you have to rely on DMV records? I'm interested to learn about that bit if you have more information.

As for item #3, a database query from the dealership is also an acceptable form of recall clearance - you have options other than the written letter from the manufacturer. See the 2nd bullet from RIV here:
http://www.riv.ca/RecallClearance.aspx

Now, if you can get the recall clearance letter for FREE from the manufacturer directly, then great - use it. But, if the manufacturer is charging you for this letter, save some money and have the dealer do a printout from their service database showing no outstanding recalls. (In addition, although RIV doesn't ask for it, I ask the dealer to print the VIN and indicate "no outstanding recalls" on their letterhead as well.)

As for additional documents you'll require at various points in time during importation:
-A binder of insurance on the vehicle (while you drive back).
-The bill of sale (required at the border, and may be checked at provincial licensing).
-Form 1 (filled out at the CA border, and used for RIV, the Canadian tire inspection, and provincial licensing), stamped at the border, and by Canadian tire after the RIV inspection
-"Casual Goods Accounting Document" (obtained at the CA border, outlining taxes and duties paid and required by provincial licensing)
-Completed RIV inspection form
-Safety certification form (standard safety check that any certified garage can perform, typically required for used vehicles, and MAY be required for new provincial registration - this is separate from the RIV inspection)

The car needs to have completed the importation process before you can get Canadian plates, so you could not register it in advance. You will want to get temporary US tags, and use those as you drive back.

[rjmbc]

Hi,

I know I need the following:

1. Manufacturer Certificate of Origin or Manufacturer State of Origin (MCO or MSO)
2. DMV Title (Produced by DMV the first time the car was registered)
3. Typed letter (with letterhead) from the manufacturer (not the dealership) stating the car (including the specific VIN) does not have a Recall Pending.

Is there something else I need before Importing the car to BC Canada?

Car will be shipped from east to Belligham Washington. Can I get ICBC to register the car in BC Canada (before importing) and take the plates to US when importing it? Are you allowed to that?
Since Car is being shipped from different State.

Or Should tell tell Dealer of east to give temporary plates while shipping the car?

Thanks

Assuming it is a new vehicle you need EITHER #1 or #1. The requirement for #3 depends on the vehicle being imported. You can get Recall Clearance for certain makes directly from the internet & other forms can come directly from the dealer.

You can buy a Washington Temporary Permit (good for 3 days) in Bellingham. This will enable you to drive the vehicle into BC and get it imported & registered.

If you need more info. PM me.

[loonieryan]

No, Honda/Acura does not honour US warranties in Canada.


Thought I'd quote myself here, and point out a massive flaw in the protectionish behaviour that some auto manufacturers are exhibiting. In this case, Honda/Acura is presumably protecting their Canadian dealers by not honouring US vehicle warranties in Canada.

As background, I was actually an Acura guy, and back in 2009 I was looking to import one... at least until I found out that the warranty wouldn't transfer. So I would up investigating a Volvo, and ultimately importing one. I liked it so much I imported a second Volvo just recently and will continue to do so in future.

So, if anyone from Honda Canada is reading this forum, you have successfully turned away a Honda/Acura devotee, only to have them spend (significant) money on a competitor's vehicles.


Great thinking.

This news blows! I was looking to buy an Acura MDX from the US but if there's no warranty I'll have to look at other models... Does Mazda honor warranties for US cars?

Looking for a SUV/CUV and my short list is:
Acura MDX
Lexus RX
Mazda CX-7/CX-9
Nissan Rogue/Murano

[phlegm2]

This news blows! I was looking to buy an Acura MDX from the US but if there's no warranty I'll have to look at other models... Does Mazda honor warranties for US cars?

I switched to Volvo because of warranty coverage, but when you crunch some numbers, the warranty may not be worth as much as you'd think.

First off, assume you save in the $10K range, as I easily do in the case of Volvo imports. Next, consider the dollar value of warranty work you'd typically have done in the first bumper-to-bumper period (typically 3 years). In my experience with Honda and Acura, it has been minimal.

So, let's say you have a disastrous first 3 years, and rack up $3000 worth of warranty work that you're not covered for in Canada. You've still saved $7000 over the price of the car in Canada in my example. Or, if you are reasonably close to the US border, you could always head down to a US dealership for any significant warranty work and it costs you nothing aside from gas & time. (You might have to provide a US address.)

I suppose it gets more complicated when you consider longer warranty items (powertrain, rust perforation, etc.), but again, how many transmission failures would you expect to see in your Honda/Acura during the powertrain warranty period?

I'm also thinking there are 3rd party warranties you can buy if you really wanted to.


Oh, and sorry - unsure about Mazda warranty coverage in Canada.

[diigii]

Note that a bank draft / bank check is not subject to the $10K limit I mention above. This is because it is made payable to a specific "person", and cannot be endorsed. You can see more details here, on the US FinCen105 form itself:
http://www.fincen.gov/forms/files/fin105_cmir.pdf

I would not entirely rely on that information. When you cross the border (via land crossing), you are required to declare any money instruments you have in your possession. When I crossed the border in 2007 to pick up my car, I declared to the border agent that I have a US$24K bank draft for a car purchase. He directed me to drop by the Customs Office and show them the draft. I assumed they checked the dealership legitimacy and probably made a photocopy of it, and they asked details of where am I going, and how I negotiated the deal. Afterwards, the border agent was nice enough asked me if I know what to do before I cross back. I asked him where I should be stopping to get my car properly exported and he showed me the building (red door). This was in the Queenston-Lewiston bridge in 2007.

[diigii]

FYI - There's a 3K rebate - not sure if it applies to Canadians that might be prompting the dealers to be that accomodating..

http://www.edmunds.com/nissan/quest/2011/car-incentives.html?style=101369243

Yeah I know about the rebates being offerred till Nov 30, 2011. For sure, there will be more aggressive rebates for Dec as they will rid 2011 models off the lot. No, they are not offered to Canadians but I was told by one Maryland dealer that they can work around that restriction by having a US address so he can sell to me for US$27,084; the other dealer is offering "discounts" on the purchase price. US$27,084 for an SV model that has a few more options? And here in Canada its $35K MSRP? I have 3 dealers duking it out for my business and that is empowering a bit. ")

[phlegm2]

I would not entirely rely on that information. When you cross the border (via land crossing), you are required to declare any money instruments you have in your possession. When I crossed the border in 2007 to pick up my car, I declared to the border agent that I have a US$24K bank draft for a car purchase. He directed me to drop by the Customs Office and show them the draft. I assumed they checked the dealership legitimacy and probably made a photocopy of it, and they asked details of where am I going, and how I negotiated the deal. Afterwards, the border agent was nice enough asked me if I know what to do before I cross back. I asked him where I should be stopping to get my car properly exported and he showed me the building (red door). This was in the Queenston-Lewiston bridge in 2007.

I agree with you that there's a lot of confusion over bank drafts/bank checks, and I strongly urge folks to contact a lawyer to be certain. As per FinCen105, "Monetary instruments do not include (i) checks or money orders made payable to a named person..." As per the form itself, the bank draft is not a monetary instrument, thus the confusioin of wether you should declare or not.

That said, I have no issue with declaring it as you cross the border - no harm in doing that.

The only reason I'm big on bank drafts is that it allows me an "out" if something is terribly wrong. I suppose I shouldn't be too worried about a legitimate dealership, but I'd definitely want to pay later if I was doing a private deal.

[LordAnubis]

if I purchase a used car in the US (1993) do I just need to fax the DMV Title 72 hours in advance to the border i'll be crossing at? I was told that's all I need from someone who imported a used truck. Thanks

[cdwalkman]

This news blows! I was looking to buy an Acura MDX from the US but if there's no warranty I'll have to look at other models... Does Mazda honor warranties for US cars?

Looking for a SUV/CUV and my short list is:
Acura MDX
Lexus RX
Mazda CX-7/CX-9
Nissan Rogue/Murano

Consider a Rav4. I was also interested in Acura and Mazda, but the warranties would not transfer, so I got a Rav4. I believe the Lexus would transfer though...

[jakemtl]

Yeah I know about the rebates being offerred till Nov 30, 2011. For sure, there will be more aggressive rebates for Dec as they will rid 2011 models off the lot. No, they are not offered to Canadians but I was told by one Maryland dealer that they can work around that restriction by having a US address so he can sell to me for US$27,084; the other dealer is offering "discounts" on the purchase price. US$27,084 for an SV model that has a few more options? And here in Canada its $35K MSRP? I have 3 dealers duking it out for my business and that is empowering a bit. ")

I did the analysis on the Quest. After everything is said and done you will save approx $6k. The car is made in Japan, so 6.1% duty applies. My understanding is that Nissan has 6 month delayed warranty coverage although I hear mixed things about this. I wanted the SL model and it pissed me off to have to put in 4.5k in options simply to get a sunroof. Makes the price point of this car ridiculously high and not a good value.

I'm looking at a Sienna, as the price gap b/w Canada and US is wider (approx 8.5-9k). The XLE trim comes with a standard sunroof. I also much prefer the drive of the Sienna. Loved the Quest's luxurious interior but I felt like I was driving a gigantic truck the entire time. It was rather unpleasant.

[Mr. Mayhew]

I did the analysis on the Quest. After everything is said and done you will save approx $6k. The car is made in Japan, so 6.1% duty applies. My understanding is that Nissan has 6 month delayed warranty coverage although I hear mixed things about this. I wanted the SL model and it pissed me off to have to put in 4.5k in options simply to get a sunroof. Makes the price point of this car ridiculously high and not a good value.

I'm looking at a Sienna, as the price gap b/w Canada and US is wider (approx 8.5-9k). The XLE trim comes with a standard sunroof. I also much prefer the drive of the Sienna. Loved the Quest's luxurious interior but I felt like I was driving a gigantic truck the entire time. It was rather unpleasant.

Unfortunately if you import a new Nissan, or one that has not been registered for 6 months, your warranty will be voided. RIV verifies recall status with the manufacturer for each individual vehicle, so they will know the date of export. No way around this. :S :(

[Mr. Mayhew]

Also, 2012 Hondas, Toyotas, Nissans, Infinitis, etc are now ADMISSIBLE! :D

[sienna owner]

Thanks for your kind words.

This thread is still going like gangbusters.

Judging by it's sheer size and longevity, while some threads on RFD can save you 50% off some product or services, nothing compares to the magnitude of savings that can be enjoyed by buying vehicles in the US. Without much effort, you can save yourself thousands (if not tens of thousands) of dollars buying in the US.

Canadian retailers still don't get this.

It's not just vehicles.

I took a count and most of my big ticket purchases in the past few years were purchased from the US. That's a lot of money going south.

Even with the crazy markup on diamonds. I bought my wife's diamond ring from Blue Nile and it was thousands cheaper than locally in Canada.

My brother picked up a high-end Weber barbeque in Detroit and after duty and GST found it about 75% cheaper than it was in Canada. He even got in in a copper colour that wasn't available here.The local Weber dealer in Canada told him that his cost was even more than what my brother paid. If he was smart, that dealer should drop his patronage of Weber Canada and import barbecues from the US and sell them at a small markup.

Living in a border city, I can't tell you the last time he or his friends bought any large item in Canada. His tires, furniture and vacations are all based out of Detroit. Cars, RVs and boats are all purchased down south.

Canadian retailers just don't get it. The Internet is a wonderful thing.


yeah...our bbq is nearing it's end and since we are going to florida in march, i was thinking of picking one up on the way back...not sure how the wife will feel about it though..LOL

[Monsieurmaggot]

I switched to Volvo because of warranty coverage, but when you crunch some numbers, the warranty may not be worth as much as you'd think.

First off, assume you save in the $10K range, as I easily do in the case of Volvo imports. Next, consider the dollar value of warranty work you'd typically have done in the first bumper-to-bumper period (typically 3 years). In my experience with Honda and Acura, it has been minimal.

So, let's say you have a disastrous first 3 years, and rack up $3000 worth of warranty work that you're not covered for in Canada. You've still saved $7000 over the price of the car in Canada in my example. Or, if you are reasonably close to the US border, you could always head down to a US dealership for any significant warranty work and it costs you nothing aside from gas & time. (You might have to provide a US address.)

I suppose it gets more complicated when you consider longer warranty items (powertrain, rust perforation, etc.), but again, how many transmission failures would you expect to see in your Honda/Acura during the powertrain warranty period?

I'm also thinking there are 3rd party warranties you can buy if you really wanted to.


Oh, and sorry - unsure about Mazda warranty coverage in Canada.

Well said. It never ceases to amaze me how many people would walk away from $10k+ in savings for the sake of getting a "warrantied" vehicle. That's nuts. I did get an email from a Toronto-area Subaru dealer who told me that he replaced a new engine on a warrantied vehicle which would have cost the owner over $10k had it been non-insured. It's scare tactics like like those that keep most of the sheep in line.

While I don't doubt some expensive repairs can happen, you'd need to weigh the savings versus the costs. Hell, I owned a new Pontiac Fiero in my youth and with all the recalls I had to go through, I could easily fill a binder. I wouldn't hesitate buying a new car in the US without any warranty. If I was really hard pressed, I would easily pick up a third party warranty for a couple of grand.

[Monsieurmaggot]

yeah...our bbq is nearing it's end and since we are going to florida in march, i was thinking of picking one up on the way back...not sure how the wife will feel about it though..LOL

Funny thing is, you can buy the Weber at a large retailer in the US and probably have it shipped to Canada for LESS than it would cost to buy the unit outright in Canada.

That's sad.

On another note I hear Canadian retailers are poised to compete with the US online stores for Black Friday.

I'm sure those deals (I doubt there are many significant ones) will be posted elsewhere on this site.

I'd love to know if anyone in Canada will price match again this year. Last year Sears.ca matched Sears.com pricing.

That'd be great.

[pfbmgd]

Now if the dollar would cooperate .

[Mr. Mayhew]

Now if the dollar would cooperate .

Even at its current rate, most vehicles are still coming in way cheaper. 4 cents on a $50k car equates to $2k less savings, but if you were saving $8k before, $6k still aint bad! Especially if you need/want to buy asap.

[paaji]

Wire transfer is king. Just get their banking info and send it over. $18 cost on average.

Mayhew where you getting the $18 for wire transfer. I went to TD since I have US account with them. They quoted me $30 for 10,000 and $80 for 20,000 and up.

Thanks

[smacd]

Mayhew where you getting the $18 for wire transfer. I went to TD since I have US account with them. They quoted me $30 for 10,000 and $80 for 20,000 and up.

Thanks

I used Vancouver Currency and Bullion Exchange. They charged me 0.25% over the bench rate for the exchange and $20 for the wire transfer. I saved $525 over my "preferred rate" form BoM on $25,000.

[goodzyk]

Mayhew where you getting the $18 for wire transfer. I went to TD since I have US account with them. They quoted me $30 for 10,000 and $80 for 20,000 and up.

Thanks

You can also try custom currency house (now owned by Western Union) for better exchange rates and wire transfer fees better than the banks

[GSD]

I used canadianforex they trade 24hrs a day better rates than the banks and $0 cost wire transfer!

[michiebaby]

I used canadianforex they trade 24hrs a day better rates than the banks and $0 cost wire transfer!

I used them recently and was charged $15. Is there a minimum transfer amount for it to be free?

[cisco911]

I am looking at buying a 2012 Toyota Highlander and looking at the US prices, there isn't much of a difference. Retail in the states for the SE is $37,000, while it is 40,000 in canada. By the time you pay your fees at the border and the exchange, there won't be any savings.

[Mr. Mayhew]

I am looking at buying a 2012 Toyota Highlander and looking at the US prices, there isn't much of a difference. Retail in the states for the SE is $37,000, while it is 40,000 in canada. By the time you pay your fees at the border and the exchange, there won't be any savings.

SE is not the best option for the 2012 highlander. I say go Limited without Nav, get the extra features and resale value. Im doing 2012 Limited for $36k USD plus import, so may be the best option for you to look at.

[Mr. Mayhew]

Mayhew where you getting the $18 for wire transfer. I went to TD since I have US account with them. They quoted me $30 for 10,000 and $80 for 20,000 and up.

Thanks

RBC charges me $18 for transfer.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I am looking at buying a 2012 Toyota Highlander and looking at the US prices, there isn't much of a difference. Retail in the states for the SE is $37,000, while it is 40,000 in canada. By the time you pay your fees at the border and the exchange, there won't be any savings.



If I had the time, I'd check to see exactly what is standard on the "SE" model in each country. Toyota and others are notorious for moving options around and keeping the nomenclature the same.

It's all about smoke and mirrors.

Also, using MSRP is a rough guage on pricing.

I would use Edmunds.com as a guage to see what people are actually paying and using that information up in Canada.

A co-worker shopped around and just signed for a Canadian Infiniti EX35 for essentially the same price as the US. The dealer knew he was ready to buy in the US and worked with my co-worker to make the sale (that's refreshing). My co-worker was surprised to see that maybe the Canadian dealer was willing to look at "shutting down Monsieurmaggot's disparaging remarks about Canadian stealerships" as a business argument. I was quite shocked to hear that the dealer dropped over $10k off the MSRP and a bunch of their "value added fees" (car polishing, security etching, seat protection, etc.) if he went with a loaded 2011.

Pricing on the 2012s were about $10-13k apart.

It goes to show you, some deals are possible up north if the right circumstances present themselves.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I've used XETrade (Forex trading) for years and pay $0 to transfer cash to the US.

Can't beat that.

Anyone considering purchasing in the US should really use Forex for large transfers.

I know people who set up Euro forex accounts and use Euro credit cards for European travel. The savings are tremendous.

Pretty well all the institutions offer this option - but not publicly.

[faston]

Monsieurmaggot, Infiniti has long been one of the best of the Canadian car retailers to try to compete with the American prices. Probably because it's one of the easiest to import (warranty, Recall letters etc).

[diigii]

I did the analysis on the Quest. After everything is said and done you will save approx $6k. The car is made in Japan, so 6.1% duty applies. My understanding is that Nissan has 6 month delayed warranty coverage although I hear mixed things about this. I wanted the SL model and it pissed me off to have to put in 4.5k in options simply to get a sunroof. Makes the price point of this car ridiculously high and not a good value.

I'm looking at a Sienna, as the price gap b/w Canada and US is wider (approx 8.5-9k). The XLE trim comes with a standard sunroof. I also much prefer the drive of the Sienna. Loved the Quest's luxurious interior but I felt like I was driving a gigantic truck the entire time. It was rather unpleasant.



Unfortunately if you import a new Nissan, or one that has not been registered for 6 months, your warranty will be voided. RIV verifies recall status with the manufacturer for each individual vehicle, so they will know the date of export. No way around this. :S :(

Yes, the 6 months warranty has mixed interpretation. For my 2007 Altima, the warranty was valid in the US even if I exported it a week 72 hrs later. As for the recall status of the Quest, I am not worried since there are no current recall campaign on the car.

[diigii]

Maybe the dealer will do the import himself on the actual car he will sell to cisco911 and maybe he tried to convince him to pay just few hundred$ more for his commission. :cheesygri


If I had the time, I'd check to see exactly what is standard on the "SE" model in each country. Toyota and others are notorious for moving options around and keeping the nomenclature the same.

It's all about smoke and mirrors.

Also, using MSRP is a rough guage on pricing.

I would use Edmunds.com as a guage to see what people are actually paying and using that information up in Canada.

A co-worker shopped around and just signed for a Canadian Infiniti EX35 for essentially the same price as the US. The dealer knew he was ready to buy in the US and worked with my co-worker to make the sale (that's refreshing). My co-worker was surprised to see that maybe the Canadian dealer was willing to look at "shutting down Monsieurmaggot's disparaging remarks about Canadian stealerships" as a business argument. I was quite shocked to hear that the dealer dropped over $10k off the MSRP and a bunch of their "value added fees" (car polishing, security etching, seat protection, etc.) if he went with a loaded 2011.

Pricing on the 2012s were about $10-13k apart.

It goes to show you, some deals are possible up north if the right circumstances present themselves.

[S16]

dear friends. great thread
bAsed on what i've been reading here... am i correct to say that warranties of new subarus, new volvos and new infinitis will be honured in canada?

[phlegm2]

dear friends. great thread
bAsed on what i've been reading here... am i correct to say that warranties of new subarus, new volvos and new infinitis will be honured in canada?

Volvo, yes, with no restrictions, but the "safe and sound" plan (free maintenance for 4 years) is not honoured.

GM, yes, but vehicle must have 12,000 km and be in service for 6 months.

Unsure of the others.

[jakemtl]

A co-worker shopped around and just signed for a Canadian Infiniti EX35 for essentially the same price as the US. The dealer knew he was ready to buy in the US and worked with my co-worker to make the sale (that's refreshing). My co-worker was surprised to see that maybe the Canadian dealer was willing to look at "shutting down Monsieurmaggot's disparaging remarks about Canadian stealerships" as a business argument. I was quite shocked to hear that the dealer dropped over $10k off the MSRP and a bunch of their "value added fees" (car polishing, security etching, seat protection, etc.) if he went with a loaded 2011.

Pricing on the 2012s were about $10-13k apart.

It goes to show you, some deals are possible up north if the right circumstances present themselves.

This certainly is not standard practice by Nissan/Infiniti. I've visited several dealerships of both, stated my intention of immediate intent to purchase but import from the US. No one in Canada wanted my business or even tried to compete. On top of it, I'm eligible for Nissan's VPP program so it would be even less of a stretch for the Canadian dealer to make. No dice.

[phlegm2]

A co-worker shopped around and just signed for a Canadian Infiniti EX35 for essentially the same price as the US. The dealer knew he was ready to buy in the US and worked with my co-worker to make the sale (that's refreshing). My co-worker was surprised to see that maybe the Canadian dealer was willing to look at "shutting down Monsieurmaggot's disparaging remarks about Canadian stealerships" as a business argument. I was quite shocked to hear that the dealer dropped over $10k off the MSRP and a bunch of their "value added fees" (car polishing, security etching, seat protection, etc.) if he went with a loaded 2011.

Pricing on the 2012s were about $10-13k apart.

I know you of all people MMaggot are not a Canadian dealership promoter, but this situation sounds a bit too good to be true. (You would ordinarily be the one saying that!) Seems like JakeMTL is unable to duplicate the scenario.

As you've said yourself, there are a lot of things to consider when comparing US and CA vehicles, and sometimes the trim levels/packages differ between the two countries. In the case of the co-worker, do you have more details, i.e. dealerhip, price, trims? I know you weren't directly involved, but something smells fishy.

Now, if Infiniti truly matched US pricing (or at least got close), great!

[cinqhoda]

I know you of all people MMaggot are not a Canadian dealership promoter, but this situation sounds a bit too good to be true. (You would ordinarily be the one saying that!) Seems like JakeMTL is unable to duplicate the scenario.

As you've said yourself, there are a lot of things to consider when comparing US and CA vehicles, and sometimes the trim levels/packages differ between the two countries. In the case of the co-worker, do you have more details, i.e. dealerhip, price, trims? I know you weren't directly involved, but something smells fishy.

Now, if Infiniti truly matched US pricing (or at least got close), great!


I wouldn't be surprised if the deal was real. Factory to dealer/customer rebates on 2011 models would be in effect this time of year. Also, the EX35 does not sell very well (at least not in Alberta, I've seen very few on the road here). Lets face it, no one is going to pay full MSRP for a small 'ute with very little utility.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I know you of all people MMaggot are not a Canadian dealership promoter, but this situation sounds a bit too good to be true. (You would ordinarily be the one saying that!) Seems like JakeMTL is unable to duplicate the scenario.

As you've said yourself, there are a lot of things to consider when comparing US and CA vehicles, and sometimes the trim levels/packages differ between the two countries. In the case of the co-worker, do you have more details, i.e. dealerhip, price, trims? I know you weren't directly involved, but something smells fishy.

Now, if Infiniti truly matched US pricing (or at least got close), great!

I don't take offence. I will be the first to change my song if Canadian stealers were willing to play honorably. 90% of them don't.

I will wait until my co-worker takes possession and I will be happy to provide details. It's not uncommon for some "clerical error" will give them the option for a bait and switch. (I still don't trust dealers). He has put down a deposit but hesitated for a moment as he stopped to look at US pricing on a 2012. He tells me the Canadian deal is too good to pass up.

I will say it is a LARGE GTA dealer and they have closeout pricing on their 2011s. It's a Journey package with technology (backup camera, navigation, fancy auto-distancing cruise). Apparently the AWD is a free-year end option and that alone adds about $2500 in savings. The driveaway price including all fees and licencing is still in the $50k range. Taxes alone would make a significant hit for most.

He is factoring in the .95 dollar and the 6.1% duty applicable to that vehicle.

We'll see.

[clsl]

I have a question regarding to Subaru Warranty repair services. I know that Subaru USA will reimburse the cost under the Standard Subaru Warranty when an USA imported car is repaired in Canada Subaru dealer. But I have heard that Subaru USA only reimburse the partial cost if it is cheaper to have the repair done in USA. For example, if the signal light does not work properly, Canadian dealer will charge me $100 since it is an usa imported car. However, the same issue only cost $50 to repair in USA. Will USA Subaru reimburse me $100 or only $50? Thanks

[clsl]

I have a question regarding to Subaru Warranty repair services. I know that Subaru USA will reimburse the cost under the Standard Subaru Warranty when an USA imported car is repaired in Canada Subaru dealer. But I have heard that Subaru USA only reimburse the partial cost if it is cheaper to have the repair done in USA. For example, if the signal light does not work properly, Canadian dealer will charge me $100 since it is an usa imported car. However, the same issue only cost $50 to repair in USA. Will USA Subaru reimburse me $100 or only $50? Thanks

Here is the information I got for Subaru of America

Thank you for contacting Subaru of America, Inc. I appreciate the opportunity to be of assistance.

We reimburse for warranty repairs performed on US vehicles in Canada based on what we would pay at an authorized Subaru dealership in the US.

Anyone knows what the approx. repair cost difference between US and Canada? I am living in Western Canada. Thanks

[drey2k]

So which cars are actually 30% cheaper in the US?

I'm been looking and the prices are fairly comparable.

[michelb]

So which cars are actually 30% cheaper in the US?

I'm been looking and the prices are fairly comparable.

30% might be a bit optimistic but you can get 15%-20% on many vehicles. A few things to remember is that there is typically more savings on higher end cars and on the options and you have to compare the 'OTD' price not MSRP. CND dealers typically sell at or near MSRP where as US dealers typically sell near invoice price.

As an example a 2012 Sienna LTD AWD is about $51000 in Canada versus $42500 in the US (20 % less).

[smacd]

30% might be a bit optimistic but you can get 15%-20% on many vehicles. A few things to remember is that there is typically more savings on higher end cars and on the options and you have to compare the 'OTD' price not MSRP. CND dealers typically sell at or near MSRP where as US dealers typically sell near invoice price.

As an example a 2012 Sienna LTD AWD is about $51000 in Canada versus $42500 in the US (20 % less).

Plus, don't forget, when it comes time to pay taxes, you pay tax on the lower price. This thread was also started in 2006 and because of the information here, many people have successfully completed the process, myself included. This has forced Canadian prices down a bit to be more in line between the 2 countries.

[phlegm2]

So which cars are actually 30% cheaper in the US?

I'm been looking and the prices are fairly comparable.

Which vehicles have you looked at? Any contact with US dealers yet?

[redac]

I don't take offence. I will be the first to change my song if Canadian stealers were willing to play honorably. 90% of them don't.

I will wait until my co-worker takes possession and I will be happy to provide details. It's not uncommon for some "clerical error" will give them the option for a bait and switch. (I still don't trust dealers). He has put down a deposit but hesitated for a moment as he stopped to look at US pricing on a 2012. He tells me the Canadian deal is too good to pass up.

I will say it is a LARGE GTA dealer and they have closeout pricing on their 2011s. It's a Journey package with technology (backup camera, navigation, fancy auto-distancing cruise). Apparently the AWD is a free-year end option and that alone adds about $2500 in savings. The driveaway price including all fees and licencing is still in the $50k range. Taxes alone would make a significant hit for most.

He is factoring in the .95 dollar and the 6.1% duty applicable to that vehicle.

We'll see.

Infiniti USA incentives aren't applicable to cars being exported to Canada. So when you take into account the Canadian manufacturer discounts, special finance rates and the typical discount you could negotiate, it's probably the same price as getting the vehicle from the US.

That particular vehicle is less then 50k on the road with a reasonable discount.

[lightbulb]

I have a 4 year old Subaru imported from the US. During the factory 3 year warranty, I had 1 claim of about $175. SOA reimbursed me the full amount, converted to US dollars; it took about 5-6 weeks. This past year I had 1 claim on my Subaru US extended warranty, which has a $50 deductible per claim; I only paid the $50 on the $400 cost. The dealer just called the US to verify the warranty coverage and it was done without me paying upfront, like the factory warranty. From my experience, the cost of repairs between US-Canada dealers doesn't appear to be a big deal. Maybe it would notable on a huge item like complete engine but that's probably not likely given how reliable Subaru seems to be.



Here is the information I got for Subaru of America

Thank you for contacting Subaru of America, Inc. I appreciate the opportunity to be of assistance.

We reimburse for warranty repairs performed on US vehicles in Canada based on what we would pay at an authorized Subaru dealership in the US.

Anyone knows what the approx. repair cost difference between US and Canada? I am living in Western Canada. Thanks

[lidakang]

let me ask a question here.
When you are talking about wire transfer, you mean transfer the cash to US dealer's account BEFORE you actually go there and sign the sale bill? Is it safe?

[GSD]

let me ask a question here.
When you are talking about wire transfer, you mean transfer the cash to US dealer's account BEFORE you actually go there and sign the sale bill? Is it safe?

Was safe enough for me.

[okano]

I have a 4 year old Subaru imported from the US. During the factory 3 year warranty, I had 1 claim of about $175. SOA reimbursed me the full amount, converted to US dollars; it took about 5-6 weeks. This past year I had 1 claim on my Subaru US extended warranty, which has a $50 deductible per claim; I only paid the $50 on the $400 cost. The dealer just called the US to verify the warranty coverage and it was done without me paying upfront, like the factory warranty. From my experience, the cost of repairs between US-Canada dealers doesn't appear to be a big deal. Maybe it would notable on a huge item like complete engine but that's probably not likely given how reliable Subaru seems to be.

mind sharing me which canadian dealer you went to?
it would be great if you at least pm me on that

[lightbulb]

Happy to share, Downtown Subaru in Toronto. Never a problem or comment with my having a US import; they must see enough of them because they're pretty quick to convert the mileage to kilometers when preparing the work order.




mind sharing me which canadian dealer you went to?
it would be great if you at least pm me on that

[clsl]

I have a 4 year old Subaru imported from the US. During the factory 3 year warranty, I had 1 claim of about $175. SOA reimbursed me the full amount, converted to US dollars; it took about 5-6 weeks. This past year I had 1 claim on my Subaru US extended warranty, which has a $50 deductible per claim; I only paid the $50 on the $400 cost. The dealer just called the US to verify the warranty coverage and it was done without me paying upfront, like the factory warranty. From my experience, the cost of repairs between US-Canada dealers doesn't appear to be a big deal. Maybe it would notable on a huge item like complete engine but that's probably not likely given how reliable Subaru seems to be.

Thank you! I didn't know Subaru US extended Warranty is valid in Canada. Might be a good idea to get one.

[mtl_cheapo]

let me ask a question here.
When you are talking about wire transfer, you mean transfer the cash to US dealer's account BEFORE you actually go there and sign the sale bill? Is it safe?


Was safe enough for me.

same here....i had the bank wire over the money...it took about 24-48 hours for the dealership to recieve it....i think that the delay in transfer has something to do with which banks are being used in the transaction.....

when you ask the dealer for the account number to transfer the money to, you can always try to verify if it is indeed the account for the business....

[phlegm2]

same here....i had the bank wire over the money...it took about 24-48 hours for the dealership to recieve it...

The only problem I have with a wire transfer is in rare situations - and I'm probably over-cautious.

Let's say you wire the money in advance, and while the car is on the lot, it is damaged. Or, the mileage is significantly different than what you were told. Assuming both of these cases are bad enough to walk away from the deal, your pre-payment complicates things. (Or, if a used vehicle, what if the damage is fully disclosed, such as in a carfax report, but you don't see it in the online photos?)

If you bring a bank draft with you, you have the option to withold the final payment if something serious occurs, and at most you've lost your deposit (and time, expenses).

I've brought a bank draft with me for the 3 times I've imported cars for this reason. HOWEVER, there is a lot of concern over bringing a bank draft (aka bank "check" in the US) across the border. I'm sure you're all familiar with the "$10,000" currency amount on the customs form. There is a lot of misunderstanding on this item, and the advice given to me (and indicated on the US FinCen form 105 itself) is that a bank check made payable to a specific "person", which has endorsement restrictions, is not considered a monetary instrument. A bank drank payable to a dealership is not transferable.

So, based on the advice given to me, and the FinCen form, you technically don't even have to declare that amount. That said, you can bring in ANY amount of currency into the US as long as you declare it, and fill out all the necessary forms in advance. The $10K limit is for the need to declare. I would strongly recommend though that you seek legal advice (don't listen to some idiot like me on the Interwebs), and when in doubt, declare it to customs!

When I think about it though, I'd have no problem with wiring the money to the Volvo dealership I deal with in the US. I completely trust them at this point.

[kammas]

Thanks for your kind words.

This thread is still going like gangbusters.

Judging by it's sheer size and longevity, while some threads on RFD can save you 50% off some product or services, nothing compares to the magnitude of savings that can be enjoyed by buying vehicles in the US. Without much effort, you can save yourself thousands (if not tens of thousands) of dollars buying in the US.

Canadian retailers still don't get this.

It's not just vehicles.

I took a count and most of my big ticket purchases in the past few years were purchased from the US. That's a lot of money going south.

Even with the crazy markup on diamonds. I bought my wife's diamond ring from Blue Nile and it was thousands cheaper than locally in Canada.

My brother picked up a high-end Weber barbeque in Detroit and after duty and GST found it about 75% cheaper than it was in Canada. He even got in in a copper colour that wasn't available here.

The local Weber dealer in Canada told him that his cost was even more than what my brother paid. If he was smart, that dealer should drop his patronage of Weber Canada and import barbecues from the US and sell them at a small markup.

Living in a border city, I can't tell you the last time he or his friends bought any large item in Canada. His tires, furniture and vacations are all based out of Detroit. Cars, RVs and boats are all purchased down south.

Canadian retailers just don't get it. The Internet is a wonderful thing.

I want to import a Tacoma from Oregon into BC. The configuration I am interested in is not available through Toyota Canada. It is a regular cab 4 x 4 and MSRP in the States is about $22k. In Canada one has to order the Xcess cab @ $26.5k in order to have a 4 x 4. The Canadian pricing is actually competitive because the US truck is very bare bones. However I do prefer the sportiness of a regular cab. My question is how I go about retrofitting the engine immobilizer if I import the truck. While higher trim Tacomas in the US are equipped with immobilizers this entry level version is not. I approached Cdn Tire with this question and they told me they do not install immobilizers. BTW, the DRL is already on the truck for a $40 option fee so my biggest hurdle is this EIS regulation. As for buying a new Toyota in the States, I may have to let my Oregon resident friend buy it and then resell it to me as a used truck.

[phlegm2]

I want to import a Tacoma from Oregon into BC...My question is how I go about retrofitting the engine immobilizer if I import the truck. While higher trim Tacomas in the US are equipped with immobilizers this entry level version is not...

To be honest with you, Canadian Tire likely won't be able to tell if the vehicle has an EIS or not. (Would they trace the electrical and look for a specific module? Do they know late model Toyotas that well?)

In my experience the inspection is basic at best, and they'll only be ticking boxes on the RIV form. As an example, I imported a GMC Yukon last month, and we paid close attention to its daytime running lights. In the US, the lighting knob has an "off" setting that actually shuts down the DRL - not permitted in Canada. We went through hoops to get the firmware updated to CA specifications to ensure DRL remains on. At the end of the day, there was no box about this on the RIV inspection form, so Canadian Tire wouldn't have even checked for it.

I would recommend that you investigate 3rd party immobilizers (or getting one added by Toyota if possible), but hold off until after the inspection. If you pass, great. If you fail due to EIS, then spend the money to get it added.

[SeeWhy2]

Here is the information I got for Subaru of America

Thank you for contacting Subaru of America, Inc. I appreciate the opportunity to be of assistance.

We reimburse for warranty repairs performed on US vehicles in Canada based on what we would pay at an authorized Subaru dealership in the US.

Anyone knows what the approx. repair cost difference between US and Canada? I am living in Western Canada. Thanks

I had catalytic converter replaced at cost of $1,360.00 CD at local Subaru deale (http://www.kingston.subarudealer.ca/WebPage.aspx?WebSiteID=525)r & was reimbursed $1,300.00 USD from SOA.
FYI,

[Monsieurmaggot]

let me ask a question here.
When you are talking about wire transfer, you mean transfer the cash to US dealer's account BEFORE you actually go there and sign the sale bill? Is it safe?

Yes. Eventually you would need to give them more than the deposit.

I would be more worried giving a Canadian dealer a credit card swipe for a deposit.

I seriously doubt any ligitimate dealer would pull a fast one on you. I didn't even see my car until AFTER I bought it.

The dealer invited me plenty of times to see and test drive the car. I asked for written documentation of the odometre and a photo. I eventually went down and found the mileage to be exactly what was in the picture. I was told once I put down the deposit, the vehicle was put in lock up. At that time I had already wired him $5000.

When I actually picked up the car a month later, the mileage was exactly as I left it. I gave him a bank draft for the rest and drove away. They trusted me on that one since I could have forged the cheque.

[kammas]

To be honest with you, Canadian Tire likely won't be able to tell if the vehicle has an EIS or not. (Would they trace the electrical and look for a specific module? Do they know late model Toyotas that well?)

In my experience the inspection is basic at best, and they'll only be ticking boxes on the RIV form. As an example, I imported a GMC Yukon last month, and we paid close attention to its daytime running lights. In the US, the lighting knob has an "off" setting that actually shuts down the DRL - not permitted in Canada. We went through hoops to get the firmware updated to CA specifications to ensure DRL remains on. At the end of the day, there was no box about this on the RIV inspection form, so Canadian Tire wouldn't have even checked for it.

I would recommend that you investigate 3rd party immobilizers (or getting one added by Toyota if possible), but hold off until after the inspection. If you pass, great. If you fail due to EIS, then spend the money to get it added.

Thanks for your insight. I am slowly coming to the same conclusion myself, deal with the [EIS] if the vehicle fails the test. Meanwhile, I have sourced a local installer who represents the Todco IM3 aftermarket passive immobilizer. The total cost is a mere $220. Question is whether this unit complies with CMVSS 114 regulations. From what I can gather I do not see why not. Does anyone have experience with this brand/model of immobilizer?

[phlegm2]

Thanks for your insight. I am slowly coming to the same conclusion myself, deal with the [EIS] if the vehicle fails the test. Meanwhile, I have sourced a local installer who represents the Todco IM3 aftermarket passive immobilizer. The total cost is a mere $220. Question is whether this unit complies with CMVSS 114 regulations. From what I can gather I do not see why not. Does anyone have experience with this brand/model of immobilizer?

Kammas, I worry about details a lot, but you may be the king. :razz:

Let's trace this scenario through:
1. RIV would have to call out the Immobilizer on their inspection form, i.e., "Inspector, please ensure this Toyota has an Immobilizer installed as lower trim levels in the US may not." Possible? Maybe, but I doubt the inspection form is that model-specific.
2. Canadian Tire will have to specifically trace/test the ignition electrical to check for the immobilizer and confirm its absence. Possible? Maybe. Likely? No.

Assuming the planets align, and 1 & 2 happen, you can add the after market EIS. Maybe the after market EIS meets CMVSS spec, but let's assume it does not.

3. You return to CT to repeat the inspection and by fluke the teenage kid at the service desk is an electrical engineer and his hobby is writing firmware for EI systems. While the RIV form doesn't mention the CMVSS spec, he happens to know it is a requirement. He also works on Todco devices after school and knows your model doesn't comply. He fails you on the spot, even though a licensed mechanic must do the inspection. Possible? No.

Maybe your after market EIS complies - maybe it doesn't, but you're getting into increasingly rare scenarios.

At best, assuming you failed the first inspection - however unlikely - you'd be asked to show proof of an EIS install. (Does RIV maintain a list of acceptable models? Don't know.)

[pfbmgd]

Called Van Bortells Subaru today .They have no stock of Outbacks till middle of January .I was ready to buy as I have low financing for another week . Might have to look else where .

[dro3]

i want to get suzuki kizashi in u.s. it's better than audi a4

[thepotatohead]

Called Van Bortells Subaru today .They have no stock of Outbacks till middle of January .I was ready to buy as I have low financing for another week . Might have to look else where .

It's probably related to the recall on master brake cylinder.
http://news.consumerreports.org/safety/2011/12/subaru-recalls-2012-legacy-outback-and-impreza-cars-for-brake-issues.html

[shopper-X]

It's probably related to the recall on master brake cylinder.
http://news.consumerreports.org/safety/2011/12/subaru-recalls-2012-legacy-outback-and-impreza-cars-for-brake-issues.html

Oh great, Toyota buys 16.7% in Subaru and now they have brake issues! ha ha. :cheesygri (kidding)

[Monsieurmaggot]

What a surprise. Tire prices in Canada are much higher than in the US.

The report says that on weekends, 50% of tire purchases at local US border stores are Canadian shoppers....

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20111207/bc_steele_cross_border_tires_111207/20111207/?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

Family members of mine live in a border city and regularly travel south to make large purchases. While they're there, they stop and buy booze, gas and groceries. Even with import taxes, they're saving!

[clsl]

Hi,
I am planing buying an us car from Washington to import to BC and I am told by dealer that he will give me a temp driving permit when I drive the car away from his lot.

Here are the questions:
1. is the temp permit good when driving the car in BC?

2. Does the temp permit have insurance ( third party liability, collision and etc) or Do I need to buy additional insurance from BC insurance?

3. if I get the VIN from the US dealer and purchase insurance from BC, Do I still need the temp permit from US dealer?

I know there are many posts about this issue, but I could not find any answers for BC specifically.

Thanks

[bguy7890]

Hi,
I am planing buying an us car from Washington to import to BC and I am told by dealer that he will give me a temp driving permit when I drive the car away from his lot.

Here are the questions:
1. is the temp permit good when driving the car in BC?

2. Does the temp permit have insurance ( third party liability, collision and etc) or Do I need to buy additional insurance from BC insurance?

3. if I get the VIN from the US dealer and purchase insurance from BC, Do I still need the temp permit from US dealer?

I know there are many posts about this issue, but I could not find any answers for BC specifically.

Thanks


Yes, the temp permit is required. You'll also need to get insurance binder from your autoplan broker before picking up the car.
Hope this helps.

[rjmbc]

Hi,
I am planing buying an us car from Washington to import to BC and I am told by dealer that he will give me a temp driving permit when I drive the car away from his lot.

Here are the questions:
1. is the temp permit good when driving the car in BC?

2. Does the temp permit have insurance ( third party liability, collision and etc) or Do I need to buy additional insurance from BC insurance?

3. if I get the VIN from the US dealer and purchase insurance from BC, Do I still need the temp permit from US dealer?

I know there are many posts about this issue, but I could not find any answers for BC specifically.

Thanks

This is my understanding of the situation:

1. The US Temp Permit is valid in BC as long as it is still valid in the State that issued it.

2. ICBC (Autoplan) will sell you a 10 day insurance for the purposes of driving the vehicle home & getting it registered. The US Permit is not likely to have any insurance component.

3. As long as the original Temp Permit is still valid there is no need to buy a BC Temp Permit.

Verify this with your Autoplan agent, but someplace I have a piece of correspondence directly from ICBC covering the Temp Permit issue.

[Jay-c]

I apologize if it's been covered recently... wondering if anyone has any success with a new Toyota lately? Looking to pick up a new Sienna. Last I heard the dealers weren't selling to new Canadians, is that still in effect?

I've imported twice myself and helped a handful of friends and family with their imports... I can't bear the thought of buying it here in Canada!

[Mr. Mayhew]

This is my understanding of the situation:

1. The US Temp Permit is valid in BC as long as it is still valid in the State that issued it.

2. ICBC (Autoplan) will sell you a 10 day insurance for the purposes of driving the vehicle home & getting it registered. The US Permit is not likely to have any insurance component.

3. As long as the original Temp Permit is still valid there is no need to buy a BC Temp Permit.

Verify this with your Autoplan agent, but someplace I have a piece of correspondence directly from ICBC covering the Temp Permit issue.

everything here is correct, but I think ICBC will issue a maximum of a 2 day permit for a vehicle not registered in Canada. Could be mistaken, but from my experience that is the maximum they have issued to clients i have spoken with in the past.

[varunr]

Anyone recently purchased a ML350 and imported into Canada. I am in the market for one and just like to obtain guidance. Looking to find out where and how to get the best deal

[rjmbc]

everything here is correct, but I think ICBC will issue a maximum of a 2 day permit for a vehicle not registered in Canada. Could be mistaken, but from my experience that is the maximum they have issued to clients i have spoken with in the past.

The way I remember it, ICBC will issue Insurance for 10 days, but their permits are "point to point" which is why I prefer the US permits - WA is 3 day, Montana is 30 day.

[khanajwad]

i am thinking to get mazda 5 from u.s.
if i get my relative to gift it to me(indirectly i buy it) from new york, what will i have to go through?
- meaning will i have to pay tax here?....importing fees?..???
- is this even possible? or will it cost me even more to get it through my relative.
Thanks.:D

[buluan]

I am shopping around a Subaru Legacy in the US. What I want is a 2012 Legacy Premium with:
Automatic Transmission
All-weather Package + Moonroof

Splash Guards
Security System Shock Sensor Upgrade
Interior Illumination Kit
Remote Engine Starter

A dealer offered me $24300 + tax and plate. Is it a good price? Or I can do better? This is the first time I buy a new car. Is it a good idea to get the last four features from the dealer, or to buy and install them after?

Any suggestion is appreciated.

[pfbmgd]

I am shopping around a Subaru Legacy in the US. What I want is a 2012 Legacy Premium with:
Automatic Transmission
All-weather Package + Moonroof

Splash Guards
Security System Shock Sensor Upgrade
Interior Illumination Kit
Remote Engine Starter

A dealer offered me $24300 + tax and plate. Is it a good price? Or I can do better? This is the first time I buy a new car. Is it a good idea to get the last four features from the dealer, or to buy and install them after?

Any suggestion is appreciated.

You are lucky to find a Legacy .Most dealers are sold out .

[baileyr]

i want to get suzuki kizashi in u.s. it's better than audi a4

You've obviously never sat in or driven an A4 and/or do all you research on the Suzuki website!!

The Suzuki is very good - but to say it's "better than the A4" made me LOL...

[dreaderus]

Looking at a limited Impreza know there are differences from canadian version anyone with experience let me know it does look like it may be worth importing im getting quotes here of 34k OTD (Compact!)

[phlegm2]

i am thinking to get mazda 5 from u.s.
if i get my relative to gift it to me(indirectly i buy it) from new york, what will i have to go through?
- meaning will i have to pay tax here?....importing fees?..???
- is this even possible? or will it cost me even more to get it through my relative.
Thanks.:D

I'd need a bit more information to help. I'm not familiar with Mazda policy, so I'll assume you are using your your relative because Mazda doesn't sell new US cars to Canadians. (?)

The problem is that if you have a US relative, they would likely have to pay state tax at some point. Also, I'm not sure how gifting rules apply in state "X" - to avoid GST on car transfers in Ontario you have to be immediate family. So, beware of more taxes potentially when you receive the "gift".

If you can find a dealer that will sell directly to you, you may not need a relatives help.

[arrush]

So from reading I heard 2008+ models need to have an immobilizer in order to be allowed into Canada. Someone told me that US models of the CR-V do not have this, can anyone confirm/deny if this is true and if there any work arounds?

Thank you.

[steveman]

So from reading I heard 2008+ models need to have an immobilizer in order to be allowed into Canada. Someone told me that US models of the CR-V do not have this, can anyone confirm/deny if this is true and if there any work arounds?

Thank you.

R
All recent models have an immobilizer, this is usually a key with a chip that is needed for the car to start. If you really want to be sure then just download the U.S. manual for the CRV.

[arrush]

Can someone suggest some dealers to get a used CR-V from, looking at driving distance from Calgary.

[smacd]

Can someone suggest some dealers to get a used CR-V from, looking at driving distance from Calgary.
All dealers will sell USED. Warranty will be void.

[Monsieurmaggot]

i am thinking to get mazda 5 from u.s.
if i get my relative to gift it to me(indirectly i buy it) from new york, what will i have to go through?
- meaning will i have to pay tax here?....importing fees?..???
- is this even possible? or will it cost me even more to get it through my relative.
Thanks.:D



The import process is the same regardless of how you acquire the vehicle. From my source at Canada Borders Services, some people bring vehicles across and "play stupid" when declaring the value of a gifted vehicle (remember this happens quite regularly) particularly if the vehicle is new or has very little mileage. If this happens Revenue Canada can impose taxes on the full retail value of the vehicle. They won't take discounts or incentives into account, so you could end up paying more tax since they will guess at the price you paid. If you present a bill of sale once the process starts and the inspector feels you are being untruthful in any way, they also have the right to charge you for tax aversion (not tax evasion) which could also result in a hefty fine. With a new vehicle, you should present a dealer's invoice to Canada Customs. You might have some leeway if the car has tens of thousands of miles on it since you can argue depreciation. Remember that Canada Customs doesn't care what steps you needed to take in order to acquire the vehicle in the US. They simply want you to pay fair taxes on it. You will pay all taxes applicable in Canada including duty if the Mazda 5 is a non-NAFTA vehicle. I know the older models were assembled in Japan. The VIN would immediately tell you that.

Unless you can circumvent paying the local tax (some states and US jurisdictions have specific rules relating to exports and payable tax) and your relative is a resident of the state where they buy your car, in almost all cases, they will have to pay local taxes. They are in a position to purchase a vehicle in a state other than the one they live in and can also assist you in getting a hard-to-get vehicle. In some cases, there is no or a diminished tax payable for an out of state purchase.

Remember that if you are a resident of Canada, you cannot declare this type of gift as a personal exemption. I understand that some RFDers have successfully applied $750 exemptions on a vehicle purchase once they proved they've been out of the country for seven days. I would bet that two spouses can try to combine this and declare a $1500 exemption. I wonder if that would work.

You should only consider having a relative involved in the purchase if you are absolutely hell-bent on a particular model.

Some RFDers have tried to circumvent the taxation process and paid handsomely for it. While they paid a fine, they could have had their vehicles impounded and forfeited to the government.

[diigii]

On the verge of closing a purchase deal for a 2012 Nissan Quest SV in Maryland. It might happen this week and if everything goes as expected, I will be picking up the van next week and drive it back. The offer is US$28,721 plus $20 temp tag and $199 processing fee. A Mississauga-area dealer did not even try to come close by offering his 2011 (and I'm getting a 2012 model) stock after saying he's got $3,000 discount off the nearly $39,000 Canadian price.

Thank you again, Monsiuermaggot!!! :) My savings will go to boxes of diapers which are also 50% cheaper in the US!! :cheesygri

[Monsieurmaggot]

You're so welcome.

You're the expert here. You've done this a few times now.

My wife's car is a 2005 and will most likely be in need of replacement in a few years. In all likelihood it will be a US-sourced vehicle.

Interesting to note, my co-worker has a 2008 Subaru Legacy Limited sedan that he's thinking of selling. He just showed me some listings on Autotrader.ca from a Toronto area dealers. The asking price for that exact same vehicle is in the $18-20k range. My co-worker paid just over $23k new!

Not bad, he drives the car for four years and can sell it for $3000 less than he paid. Not a bad deal.

I continually snicker at the price I paid for my car way back when this thread was new!

[michelb]

Importing for someone else.

In case anyone else is considering doing the same, it is possible to export / import a vehicle for someone else. US Customs doesn't seem to care but for the Canadian customs, if they ask, it's important that you tell them you are doing this for a friend as a favor and not getting paid to do it. If you tell them you are getting compensated, it's considered a 'commercial import' and you need to be registered importer or something like that.

[paaji]

Hello,
I am in process of importing vehicle. I submitted (e-mailed) all my paper work to US Customs (Bill of Sale and MSO) and already received the confirmation.
I am confused as what is required on Canada side and once I passed through the Canadian Customs can I register right away for insurance purposes or I need to wait for RIV paperwork?
Thanks

[neonshaun]

I'm looking to import a used car that is over 15 years old.

Can anybody recommend an auto broker in the toronto area?
I don't want to deal with any of the customs/paperwork/transportation myself.

[buymore4less]

Many thanks to all on this thread. Just imported a 2010 Nissan Altima Hybrid. Easy and saved lots.
Only challenge was getting the daytime running lights activated. Nissan USA guaranteed that they were installed and just needed to be activated by the dealer.
Every dealer in Canada claimed otherwise ... $400 to $500 cost. Went to CT and got their Hamsar module and a few hours later ... voila we had DRL.

Thanks again.

[phlegm2]

Hello,
I am in process of importing vehicle. I submitted (e-mailed) all my paper work to US Customs (Bill of Sale and MSO) and already received the confirmation.
I am confused as what is required on Canada side and once I passed through the Canadian Customs can I register right away for insurance purposes or I need to wait for RIV paperwork?
Thanks

Things have recently changed at the border (at least the Queenston-Lewiston crossing). All I had to email was the VIN and vehicle description in advance. Bill of Sale and MSO are no longer required to email. However, when you head to US customs on the way out, you'll need to show the original title/MSO document.

Coming into Canada, have the final price ready when you speak to the border agent, and be sure to declare you are importing the vehicle. You'll be directed to a separate customs building where you'll fill out a "Form 1". (Take a clipboard, and bring the form back to your vehicle before going to the desk. Also note that the date of manufacture will be on a sticker in the door jamb - and it may have been manufactured earlier than the model year.) Once you've filled out what you can on Form 1, head to the desk and you'll speak to an agent. At that point you'll need the bill of sale, and I believe they look at the title/MSO document as well. You'll then pay the GST portion of taxes at this location - credit card is fine.

You have to complete the RIV inspection at Canadian Tire before you can register your vehicle provincially. You may also have to get a standard safety check/safety certification at the Canadian tire - that is up for debate, but both times I've registered by new imported cars in Ontario I've been asked for the safety inspection. Some people claim they have not. In any event, I get both the RIV inspection and safety certification done at Canadian tire. You then register the vehicle and pay PST, if required.

Re insurance, I'm not sure what you mean. You should have temporary plates on the car from the US dealership, and before you head down South, be sure to call your insurance company to add the new car to your plan. They'll send you an insurance binder which is valid in US & Canada. Print it out, and take it with you. In brief, you should have the insurance bit sorted out before you even pick up the vehicle in the US.

[phlegm2]

Many thanks to all on this thread. Just imported a 2010 Nissan Altima Hybrid. Easy and saved lots.
Only challenge was getting the daytime running lights activated. Nissan USA guaranteed that they were installed and just needed to be activated by the dealer.
Every dealer in Canada claimed otherwise ... $400 to $500 cost. Went to CT and got their Hamsar module and a few hours later ... voila we had DRL.

Thanks again.

This is typical of my experience too - Canadian dealerships either outright lie to you are give a crazy cost for something.

The GMC dealership in Canada told my father-in-law that "Canadian airbag timing was different than in the US", and he'd have to have both his bumpers replaced for $4000, thus making an import less worthwhile. An outright lie.

Next, there's a difference in the behaviour of DRL in US and Canada (for a GMC Yukon). This is an easy firmware update, which can be done at any dealership. I called around in Canada, and none of the dealerships claimed to have heard of it, even when I specifically told them the exact firmware package they needed to apply. Instead they recommended a $400 aftermarket kit. In the end, the dealership in the US did it for free.

For those of you new to importing, just do your research, and be weary of whatever a Canadian dealership will tell you.

[paaji]

Things have recently changed at the border (at least the Queenston-Lewiston crossing). All I had to email was the VIN and vehicle description in advance. Bill of Sale and MSO are no longer required to email. However, when you head to US customs on the way out, you'll need to show the original title/MSO document.

Coming into Canada, have the final price ready when you speak to the border agent, and be sure to declare you are importing the vehicle. You'll be directed to a separate customs building where you'll fill out a "Form 1". (Take a clipboard, and bring the form back to your vehicle before going to the desk. Also note that the date of manufacture will be on a sticker in the door jamb - and it may have been manufactured earlier than the model year.) Once you've filled out what you can on Form 1, head to the desk and you'll speak to an agent. At that point you'll need the bill of sale, and I believe they look at the title/MSO document as well. You'll then pay the GST portion of taxes at this location - credit card is fine.

You have to complete the RIV inspection at Canadian Tire before you can register your vehicle provincially. You may also have to get a standard safety check/safety certification at the Canadian tire - that is up for debate, but both times I've registered by new imported cars in Ontario I've been asked for the safety inspection. Some people claim they have not. In any event, I get both the RIV inspection and safety certification done at Canadian tire. You then register the vehicle and pay PST, if required.

Re insurance, I'm not sure what you mean. You should have temporary plates on the car from the US dealership, and before you head down South, be sure to call your insurance company to add the new car to your plan. They'll send you an insurance binder which is valid in US & Canada. Print it out, and take it with you. In brief, you should have the insurance bit sorted out before you even pick up the vehicle in the US.

Thanks for replying,
What I mean by insurance is that Dealer gave me 30 drive away permit. I am not too sure whether I can use that to drive across the border? Should I contact ICBC here (BC) Vehicle is being shipped to Border where I will pick up and drive across the border.
Thanks

[Fox2k]

Thanks for replying,
What I mean by insurance is that Dealer gave me 30 drive away permit. I am not too sure whether I can use that to drive across the border? Should I contact ICBC here (BC) Vehicle is being shipped to Border where I will pick up and drive across the border.
Thanks

Are you confusing license plates with insurance? You need to arrange your own insurance before you bring the car over. You should do this through your insurance company (ICBC as you mentioned). They just need the VIN number and they should be able to add it to your policy. If they give you a hard time then go to another company. I had to switch companies because the one I was with gave me some bull about how they couldn't insure the car because it wasn't registered in Canada. Another company asked me for the VIN and it was done instantly.

As for plates / licensing, In my experience, at the DMV (Ottawa) I was told that Canadian law enforcement respects trip permits which are issues in other regions. As for the border, again based on what I have been told CBSA is not concerned with vehicle licensing as their main concern is controlling imports. When I imported my car I passed through customs with no plates on the car, and an Ontario trip permit sticker on the front windshield, and I had no issues at all with licensing or plating.

If you have doubts you really should call the crossing and maybe a police station near where you'll be driving and just ask them...

[rjmbc]

Thanks for replying,
What I mean by insurance is that Dealer gave me 30 drive away permit. I am not too sure whether I can use that to drive across the border? Should I contact ICBC here (BC) Vehicle is being shipped to Border where I will pick up and drive across the border.
Thanks

See my post #21188 about three pages back. It address this matter based on my experience importing a number of vehicles into BC

[loonieryan]

Does Mazda honor the warranty in Canada for vehicles imported from the US? I'm very interested in the CX-9...

[smacd]

Does Mazda honor the warranty in Canada for vehicles imported from the US? I'm very interested in the CX-9...

According to the APA, yes: http://www.apa.ca/CanadianWarrantyinformationonnewcarsboughtintheUS. asp
When looking at a CX-7 2 years ago, my local dealership was a bit wishy-washy about it, though. I don't think it's documented as well in the warranty papers as, say, Toyota is. Also, it was very difficult to find a US Mazda dealer that was willing to sell new to me.

[sheriffabc]

Instead of wading through 1415 pages I wonder if some kind soul can direct me to a dealer in any of the above states willing to sell to a Canadian. This would be my second import (the first was a Subaru Legacy). TIA

ps I am also doing my homework and would be willing to share info = pl pm

[MisterBeer]

Instead of wading through 1415 pages I wonder if some kind soul can direct me to a dealer in any of the above states willing to sell to a Canadian. This would be my second import (the first was a Subaru Legacy). TIA

ps I am also doing my homework and would be willing to share info = pl pm

What kind of Toyota are you looking for? We just picked up a 2011 Matrix last month and the deals the Toronto dealers were offering we're better than Buffalo. Maybe on a higher end model it may be worth it, but I would grind the local dealers first.

[loonieryan]

According to the APA, yes: http://www.apa.ca/CanadianWarrantyinformationonnewcarsboughtintheUS. asp
When looking at a CX-7 2 years ago, my local dealership was a bit wishy-washy about it, though. I don't think it's documented as well in the warranty papers as, say, Toyota is. Also, it was very difficult to find a US Mazda dealer that was willing to sell new to me.

That APA link is surprising, because I thought I had heard on this thread earlier that Mazda would not honor the warranty. I just wanted confirmation, but if the APA is right then it should be ok. This site also seems to indicate that Mazda will honor the warranty: http://www.importcartocanada.info/tools/warranty-coverage-check/

Now I have to find a US dealer willing to sell to Canadians... anyone know of any in NY, VT, or NH?

[pfbmgd]

Do you pay the tax on the US price or the converted to Canadian price ?

[smacd]

Do you pay the tax on the US price or the converted to Canadian price ?

You pay the tax on the US$ price at the conversion rate the day you cross the border back into Canada. So, if you pay US$30,000 and the day you cross, the official exchange rate is $1.02 CDN to the US$, you pay tax on $30,600.

[Albertan]

Can anyone PM me a dealer in the GTA driving range who will sell a new BMW to a Canadian?

[bobby]

So I went to pick up the Sienna van from the dealer in US . The conversation regarding the pricing was going on since June 2011. At the dealership gave them the draft from a cdn bank in US dollars. Before I left Canada I had confirmed with them that if they are comfortable with a Cdn bank draft and the answer was yes.

Once at the dealership they prepared the Purchase and sale aggreement and gave it to me and I was on my way home to Mississauga. I was looking for US vehicle export office and by mistake went to Cdn customs . While I was there at the customs the lady told me I might as well pay the taxes which I did .

After that went back to the US customs and told them by mistake I went thru cdn customs they were fine with that and asked me the paperwork. I showed them the Purchase and sale order but they were looking for title which I didnt have . Then they asked me the Certificate of Origin and I didnt have that . So I called the dealership and they told me they won't give me the Certificate of origin untill my draft clears and I said why didn't you tell me this earlier ( Anyway I said ok I will wait). So parked the van in Buffalo , and came back. So today I got a call from the dealer that they cannot sell the car to Cdn and I said but I had asked the sales manager and the sales person since June that I was a cdn resident and I will not be paying taxes and they said that they will not charge the taxes as this is for export

Now they want to buy the van from me and they will have someone pick up the van from Buffalo but I have already paid taxes at the cdn customs . The vehicle is already insured under my policy .

Anyone else has gone thru this before any tips , can I register the vehicle in canada without the certificate of origin and what do I tell US customs that the dealer is not giving certificate of orgin ? .

I spoke to Toyota usa without giving any details and they said if the dealership knowingly sold the car to Cdn resident there will be penalities and consequences to the dealership. Well the purchase and sale agreement has my cdn address, the draft was of cdn bank, they even have my drivers licence which is of Canada .

[agepag]

wow it looks like there really trying to screw you over. i would definetly get a lawyer involved, make a big stink with toyota usa. i still cant see why we are not allowed to purchase vehicles in the usa if we are willing to pay the appropriate taxes.

[firetree]

Wow,never heard that before. I hope you still have some e-mail left regarding this transaction. Or everything is over the phone?? I think if you have any evidence at all,you should start digging them up coz you'll need them for sure!

[bobby]

Yes I have all the emails plus one of the sales manager even spoke to US customs guy regarding the Certificate of origin plus they took the deposit from Cdn credit card . I dont think they can mess with me ( well that time will tell) All the papers they gave me have my CDN address The car has already 400 miles on it if they even buy it back from me it will be sold as a Demo or used .

Will update once I know tommorrow what are they going to do

[webdoctors]

Yes I have all the emails plus one of the sales manager even spoke to US customs guy regarding the Certificate of origin plus they took the deposit from Cdn credit card . I dont think they can mess with me ( well that time will tell) All the papers they gave me have my CDN address The car has already 400 miles on it if they even buy it back from me it will be sold as a Demo or used .

Will update once I know tommorrow what are they going to do

bobby, I dont understand what the fuss is about. Just get them to mail you the title. You already paid for it, signed all the docs and drove it off the lot.

They can't refuse to give you the title for a car you own. Like you mentioned, U didnt use any false pretense (i.e. U used a Candian drivers license for the paperwork).

[Drew_W]

bobby, I dont understand what the fuss is about. Just get them to mail you the title. You already paid for it, signed all the docs and drove it off the lot.

They can't refuse to give you the title for a car you own. Like you mentioned, U didnt use any false pretense (i.e. U used a Candian drivers license for the paperwork).

At the same time, I have no idea how this guy thought he was going to export this vehicle without presenting the title to US Customs. A copy must also be faxed 72 hours in advance. This is like THE golden rule.

[FusionSenses]

Is it possible to buy a new 2012 Subaru WRX 5 door from Seattle nowadays?
Do they sell it to BC residents?

I also notice there is 6.1% duty, which is still better than Canadian dealers.

[jakemtl]

So I went to pick up the Sienna van from the dealer in US . The conversation regarding the pricing was going on since June 2011. At the dealership gave them the draft from a cdn bank in US dollars. Before I left Canada I had confirmed with them that if they are comfortable with a Cdn bank draft and the answer was yes.

Once at the dealership they prepared the Purchase and sale aggreement and gave it to me and I was on my way home to Mississauga. I was looking for US vehicle export office and by mistake went to Cdn customs . While I was there at the customs the lady told me I might as well pay the taxes which I did .

After that went back to the US customs and told them by mistake I went thru cdn customs they were fine with that and asked me the paperwork. I showed them the Purchase and sale order but they were looking for title which I didnt have . Then they asked me the Certificate of Origin and I didnt have that . So I called the dealership and they told me they won't give me the Certificate of origin untill my draft clears and I said why didn't you tell me this earlier ( Anyway I said ok I will wait). So parked the van in Buffalo , and came back. So today I got a call from the dealer that they cannot sell the car to Cdn and I said but I had asked the sales manager and the sales person since June that I was a cdn resident and I will not be paying taxes and they said that they will not charge the taxes as this is for export

Now they want to buy the van from me and they will have someone pick up the van from Buffalo but I have already paid taxes at the cdn customs . The vehicle is already insured under my policy .

Anyone else has gone thru this before any tips , can I register the vehicle in canada without the certificate of origin and what do I tell US customs that the dealer is not giving certificate of orgin ? .

I spoke to Toyota usa without giving any details and they said if the dealership knowingly sold the car to Cdn resident there will be penalities and consequences to the dealership. Well the purchase and sale agreement has my cdn address, the draft was of cdn bank, they even have my drivers licence which is of Canada .

That is INSANE.

What I don't get is how you even considered leaving the state without a title in hand. It's a must have.

[bobby]

Well the dealership told me that the bill of sale is what I need title will only come when I register in Maryland. What I needed was certificate of origin.which they are not giving to me.
I did email the make and model vin to us custom .US custom is also looking for certificate of origin

[jakemtl]

Well the dealership told me that the bill of sale is what I need title will only come when I register in Maryland. What I needed was certificate of origin.which they are not giving to me.
I did email the make and model vin to us custom .US custom is also looking for certificate of origin

You relied on what a dealership in Maryland told you regarding importing a car to Canada? You have to do your homework. If this dealership had much experience with importing a car to Canada they would never have sold you a new Toyota to start with!

I wish you would have brought this up before picking up your vehicle, we could have pointed you in the right direction.

[phlegm2]

Wow, really sorry to hear about this Bobby! We've actually discussed the title/CO/MSO requirement quite a bit in this forum.


At the same time, I have no idea how this guy thought he was going to export this vehicle without presenting the title to US Customs. A copy must also be faxed 72 hours in advance. This is like THE golden rule.

Actually, that's no longer the case Drew - at least for the Queenston/Lewiston crossing. You need only email them the VIN and vehicle type 72 hours prior to showing up at US customs. That said, the information on the US customs site (and in the voicemail for the Queenston/Lewiston crossing), clearly state that you need to bring the original title document with you. Yep, it's critical.

Bobby, hope you can get a full refund - please let us know how it goes. I'm hoping you can also get the taxes (and duty) back.


To folks considering an import for the first time - by all means ping this forum if you want to confirm things before departing. We're happy to help.

[baileyr]

Bobby, hope you can get a full refund - please let us know how it goes. I'm hoping you can also get the taxes (and duty) back.


I'd be expecting *more* than a full refund from the dealer.

But, as was mentioned, it's called "due diligence" people. Do your homework - it's your money...

[bakhtiya]

Is it possible to buy a new 2012 Subaru WRX 5 door from Seattle nowadays?
Do they sell it to BC residents?

I also notice there is 6.1% duty, which is still better than Canadian dealers.

I picked up an 11' Subaru WRX Limited 5 door this September.

After months of looking I found a dealer that had already ordered my vehicle, and it was at a stage where the client chooses accessories. Perfect!

Took only around a month more to come.

Had some issues with insurance. They didn't want to insure vehicle temporarily until its registered in Canada.

Saved around 8K compared to purchasing it in Canada. And that's assuming Canada offered all the accessories I got .. which they don't.

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Details

2011 WRX Limited 5-Door Black with Black leather interior
All-Weather Mats
Body Side Moldings
Bumper Cover
Car Cover
Cargo Tray - 5Door
Exhaust Finisher - 5Door
Moonroof Air Deflector
SPT Perf Exhaust System
Wheel Locks - Alloy Wheels

[Starkicker]

Can anyone recommend a Subaru dealer willing to sell to Canadians? I've emailed 6 dealers including Van Bortel. I've been waiting about 3.5 weeks now and no ones gotten back to me.

Is Subaru still allowed to sell to Canadians?

Thanks!

[bobby]

So the dealer called up today and they will be sending the Certificate of origin tommorrow . Lets hope they actuall send it tommorrow will update once the vehicle has cleared the US customs. I went thru the forums and nearly everyone had to wire the money in advance or send the draft in advance I was not very comfortable doing that. I checked the vehicle made sure about the odometer and accessories and then gave the draft to the dealership and drove off the vehicle, my mistake was that I should have checked for certificate of origin I guess in the excitement it slipped out.

[cyrusb]

Can anyone recommend a Subaru dealer willing to sell to Canadians? I've emailed 6 dealers including Van Bortel. I've been waiting about 3.5 weeks now and no ones gotten back to me.

Is Subaru still allowed to sell to Canadians?

Thanks!

Three and a half weeks and nobody has gotten back to you? That's disgusting. If they don't get back to you within a working day, they are not worth your time. Also, you want a dealer who is not willing to sell to Canadians, but one who constantly sells to Canadians. One who have set guys who deal with across border sales.

Give Northtown Subaru a try. Even though they wouldn't give me any discount from MSRP, they know how to handle a Canadian customer. The paper work on their end costed an extra ~$90 but it was definitely worth it.

[FusionSenses]

Can anyone recommend a Seattle Subaru dealer who sells new WRX to Canadians?

[jakemtl]

So the dealer called up today and they will be sending the Certificate of origin tommorrow . Lets hope they actuall send it tommorrow will update once the vehicle has cleared the US customs. I went thru the forums and nearly everyone had to wire the money in advance or send the draft in advance I was not very comfortable doing that. I checked the vehicle made sure about the odometer and accessories and then gave the draft to the dealership and drove off the vehicle, my mistake was that I should have checked for certificate of origin I guess in the excitement it slipped out.

Sounds promising, good luck I hope it all works out in the end!

[t_garp]

So I went to pick up the Sienna van from the dealer in US . The conversation regarding the pricing was going on since June 2011. At the dealership gave them the draft from a cdn bank in US dollars. Before I left Canada I had confirmed with them that if they are comfortable with a Cdn bank draft and the answer was yes.

Once at the dealership they prepared the Purchase and sale aggreement and gave it to me and I was on my way home to Mississauga. I was looking for US vehicle export office and by mistake went to Cdn customs . While I was there at the customs the lady told me I might as well pay the taxes which I did .

After that went back to the US customs and told them by mistake I went thru cdn customs they were fine with that and asked me the paperwork. I showed them the Purchase and sale order but they were looking for title which I didnt have . Then they asked me the Certificate of Origin and I didnt have that . So I called the dealership and they told me they won't give me the Certificate of origin untill my draft clears and I said why didn't you tell me this earlier ( Anyway I said ok I will wait). So parked the van in Buffalo , and came back. So today I got a call from the dealer that they cannot sell the car to Cdn and I said but I had asked the sales manager and the sales person since June that I was a cdn resident and I will not be paying taxes and they said that they will not charge the taxes as this is for export

Now they want to buy the van from me and they will have someone pick up the van from Buffalo but I have already paid taxes at the cdn customs . The vehicle is already insured under my policy .

Anyone else has gone thru this before any tips , can I register the vehicle in canada without the certificate of origin and what do I tell US customs that the dealer is not giving certificate of orgin ? .

I spoke to Toyota usa without giving any details and they said if the dealership knowingly sold the car to Cdn resident there will be penalities and consequences to the dealership. Well the purchase and sale agreement has my cdn address, the draft was of cdn bank, they even have my drivers licence which is of Canada .

Bobby,

Don't panic. just go back and get your car and drive it home...You don't actually need to get the title stamped by U/S. Customs to export your car. Remember, this is a US government requirement and NOT a CDN one. As long as you got the Form 1 (or whatever its called) from the CDN border, you are fine. This is the ONLY document you need for RIV. With this, its all you need.

The only thing the US customs guys to is check to make sure the car is not stolen. Nothing more.

Next, I would send the U.S. dealer a registered letter demanding the title, as #1, the car has been exported, and 2) they have been paid, They cannot withhold the title from you. It is not legal. Remember, possession is 9/10ths of the law. You have the vehicle and you paid for it.

[Mr. Mayhew]

Bobby,

Don't panic. just go back and get your car and drive it home...You don't actually need to get the title stamped by U/S. Customs to export your car. Remember, this is a US government requirement and NOT a CDN one. As long as you got the Form 1 (or whatever its called) from the CDN border, you are fine. This is the ONLY document you need for RIV. With this, its all you need.

The only thing the US customs guys to is check to make sure the car is not stolen. Nothing more.

Next, I would send the U.S. dealer a registered letter demanding the title, as #1, the car has been exported, and 2) they have been paid, They cannot withhold the title from you. It is not legal. Remember, possession is 9/10ths of the law. You have the vehicle and you paid for it.

DO NOT do this. You can be penalized heavily for bringing a US vehicle into canada without exporting it. You could easily be blacklisted and denied entry into the USA. You will need to do this properly unfortunately... nothing much you can do until you have the title which is your proof of ownership. Dealers that try pulling out of deals halfway through due to export will generally hold a title for 6 months to avoid penalties from the manufacturer. I almost dealt with this a few years back, but consistant negotiation reigned supreme.

[Sloan55]

DO NOT do this. You can be penalized heavily for bringing a US vehicle into canada without exporting it. You could easily be blacklisted and denied entry into the USA. You will need to do this properly unfortunately... nothing much you can do until you have the title which is your proof of ownership. Dealers that try pulling out of deals halfway through due to export will generally hold a title for 6 months to avoid penalties from the manufacturer. I almost dealt with this a few years back, but consistant negotiation reigned supreme.

Agreed, don't do it. If you do not properly export your vehicle through US customs, if/when you ever cross the border into the US and they run your VIN, that vehicle will still show as a US vehicle and some questions will be asked. If this deal does go south, it will make it easier on you that the vehicle is still in the US, if you try to bring it back to the US from Canada without a title, again you will be questioned and may not like the outcome.

[t_garp]

Agreed, don't do it. If you do not properly export your vehicle through US customs, if/when you ever cross the border into the US and they run your VIN, that vehicle will still show as a US vehicle and some questions will be asked. If this deal does go south, it will make it easier on you that the vehicle is still in the US, if you try to bring it back to the US from Canada without a title, again you will be questioned and may not like the outcome.

Please, do not spread misinformation. There is NO, and i repeat, NO obligation for you to get your Title stamped by the US border patrol. This requirement is in place in order to stop stolen cars from being exported from the U.S. It is not a CBSA requirement. I and likely you, do not drive around with my cars Manufacturers Certificate of Origin on me, nor do you have to.

In the infinitesimal chance that the US border patrol runs your VIN, it will NOT show up in their system unless it has been reported stolen. So, IF your car is reported stolen, then you will have problems with US border patrol. Then, likely you will have to prove ownership. If, you have documents of sale, Title, this is not an issue.

It has been discussed many times in his thread over the last 4 years, that if you do not get the stamp, No big deal. Many people have forgot it, and registered their cars, and crossed back to the US many time.

(Full disclosure, when I bought my US car 3.5yrs ago, I did get my title stamped by US customs. However, the CBSA informed me that it was NOT a requirement to get the RIV form 1)

[Sloan55]

Please, do not spread misinformation. There is NO, and i repeat, NO obligation for you to get your Title stamped by the US border patrol. This requirement is in place in order to stop stolen cars from being exported from the U.S. It is not a CBSA requirement. I and likely you, do not drive around with my cars Manufacturers Certificate of Origin on me, nor do you have to.

In the infinitesimal chance that the US border patrol runs your VIN, it will NOT show up in their system unless it has been reported stolen. So, IF your car is reported stolen, then you will have problems with US border patrol. Then, likely you will have to prove ownership. If, you have documents of sale, Title, this is not an issue.

It has been discussed many times in his thread over the last 4 years, that if you do not get the stamp, No big deal. Many people have forgot it, and registered their cars, and crossed back to the US many time.

(Full disclosure, when I bought my US car 3.5yrs ago, I did get my title stamped by US customs. However, the CBSA informed me that it was NOT a requirement to get the RIV form 1)

You are right, it has nothing to do with CBSA policy, it has to do with CBP policy. When you are exporting a vehicle from one country to another, you have to observe the rules of both countries, you can't just ignore the country that you are exporting the vehicle from.

Vehicles for export may not be brought to Canada prior to being formally exported by U.S. Customs and Border Protection. Failure to comply with the requirements set forth in 19 CFR 192.2 may result in a penalty action.

Directly from US Customs email that they send to everyone when you submit your year, make, model and VIN number. Do you think that they do this just for sh*ts and giggles? There is a process to be followed, if it wasn't required then they would just tell you to stop in if you feel like it, otherwise go on your merry way.

[bobby]

Well I could have driven the car to canada as one of the posters mentioned getting the US stamp is not required infact I have the Form 1 and the recall notice . But anyway I was aware of the process so I would just follow that. US export offioce was great I was thinking of handcuffs but they just smiled and said not to worry when I told them I am coming back from canada as I couldnt locate the office.

My draft has still not been cleared soo thats the only reason they are holding the CO ( I am not sure how long will it take to clear cdn draft in US) Its a hastle but nothing comes free, saving of $17k comes with a price .

[phlegm2]

My draft has still not been cleared soo thats the only reason they are holding the CO ( I am not sure how long will it take to clear cdn draft in US) Its a hastle but nothing comes free, saving of $17k comes with a price .

I call BS on the draft clearing. I've paid 3 times via drafts and received the title before leaving the dealership.

[goodzyk]

I call BS on the draft clearing. I've paid 3 times via drafts and received the title before leaving the dealership.

not really BS..some will follow this process - if its been 5 business days since they deposited it, call up your bank where you purchased and have them confirm the draft has been negotiated (get a person's name/number in case the dealer wants to confirm, and if so follow up with the dealer.

[jakemtl]

Well I could have driven the car to canada as one of the posters mentioned getting the US stamp is not required infact I have the Form 1 and the recall notice . But anyway I was aware of the process so I would just follow that. US export offioce was great I was thinking of handcuffs but they just smiled and said not to worry when I told them I am coming back from canada as I couldnt locate the office.

My draft has still not been cleared soo thats the only reason they are holding the CO ( I am not sure how long will it take to clear cdn draft in US) Its a hastle but nothing comes free, saving of $17k comes with a price .

How did you come to $17k in savings? On what trim? I'm looking at an XLE trim and savings appears to be about $8-9k. PM me if you prefer

[bobby]

not really BS..some will follow this process - if its been 5 business days since they deposited it, call up your bank where you purchased and have them confirm the draft has been negotiated (get a person's name/number in case the dealer wants to confirm, and if so follow up with the dealer.

I already did that and my bank confirmed it has not cleared

[JWL]

I've started seriously working on importing a car. I contacted a dealer who has apparently worked with a lot of people in this thread. They said they are now charging a non-negotiable(?) $750 for the "enormous amount of work" they do to export my vehicle.

It is my understanding that the only thing they do that they wouldn't have to do with a US sale is fax the Manufacturers Statement/Certificate of Origin to US Customs 72 hours before I pick up the car. Is that right?

[phlegm2]

Not sure if unique to the Queenston/Lewiston crossing, but now you need only email the vin and vehicle description (no title) in advance to the US border - no faxing of title required. No dealer work required in that case. You just bring the title with you later.

The only "work" for a US dealer is supplying the title/MSO/CO document, aside from other typical documents. I would see this as minimal, and it amounts to a cash grab if they cite this as the reason. (Even if they must FAX it, not a big deal.) I cannot think of anything else they need do on behalf of a Canadian purchaser.

If you can find another dealer, ask them to match the same price and avoid that extra charge.

Now, if you're buying a hard-to-buy-in-US vehicle, or can't find another dealer for some reason, then you'll have to weigh the value of that extra fee.

Let us know what vehicle you are looking for and maybe we can help.

[JWL]

Not sure if unique to the Queenston/Lewiston crossing, but now you need only email the vin and vehicle description (no title) in advance to the US border - no faxing of title required. No dealer work required in that case. You just bring the title with you later.

The only "work" for a US dealer is supplying the title/MSO/CO document, aside from other typical documents. I would see this as minimal, and it amounts to a cash grab if they cite this as the reason. (Even if they must FAX it, not a big deal.) I cannot think of anything else they need do on behalf of a Canadian purchaser.

If you can find another dealer, ask them to match the same price and avoid that extra charge.

Now, if you're buying a hard-to-buy-in-US vehicle, or can't find another dealer for some reason, then you'll have to weigh the value of that extra fee.

Let us know what vehicle you are looking for and maybe we can help.

Thanks. Just looking for a Subaru Outback and contacted Van Bortel. Did more digging after I did my earlier post and learned what you posted above about emailing the vehicle info (the US Port's info hotline was very good) and that the dealer is legally required to provide the MCO (http://www.dmv.ny.gov/proove.htm) and that if they don't you should file a complaint with the NY DMV.

Since I can take care of informing US Customs it seems like they don't have to do ANYTHING special to export.

I guess I will shop around more. If their price with the $750 fee is the best then I'll disregard what they call it and just think of it as fair profit. If I can find a better or near equal price I'll deal with someone who does business in a more transparent way.

If anyone has good experiences with other NY Subaru or Nissan dealers (looking at used Rogues too) please let me know. Thanks.

[nayan97]

Hey I am looking to buy a 2012 Hyundai tucson GL. Its soo much cheap in the US. Can I import from the US????? Its 5k Cheap in the us

[JWL]

Hey I am looking to buy a 2012 Hyundai tucson GL. Its soo much cheap in the US. Can I import from the US????? Its 5k Cheap in the us

Short answer is probably, but there is a lot of things to be aware of. They are well detailed in the first post. Use that info and the links provided to get answers about duty, warranty and eligibility.

[phlegm2]

Hey I am looking to buy a 2012 Hyundai tucson GL. Its soo much cheap in the US. Can I import from the US????? Its 5k Cheap in the us

You can import ANY vehicle into Canada that meets criteria set by www.riv.ca. Typically, all newer models are permitted, but you'll want to check with the RIV first. To be clear the vehicle manufacturer, Hyundai in this case, does not determine if their cars can be imported or not - the RIV does.

What vehicle manufacturers CAN do is put up barriers to "protect" Canadian dealers. Examples of this protectionism include:

Not honouring the warranty in Canada
Preventing US dealers from selling to Canadians
Limitations/conditions for the warranty


It's definitely nice to have a warranty that applies in Canada, but it shouldn't be the final decider for you. I'm not familiar with Hyundai, but let's say they don't offer US warranty coverage in Canada. Ask yourself how much warranty work you'd expect in the "bumper-to-bumper" period, which is usually the first 3 years. In my experience, it has been minimal, so even if you have to pay out of pocket for some work, you're still likely ahead. Or, in some cases, you could drive to the US for warranty work.

Or, just find a manufacturer that doesn't put up barriers, and buy from them instead.

[JWL]

I may have misinterpreted the context, but is the $750 administrative fee applied to Canadian customers only? If so, I'd be curious to know what that dealer does to justify that amount. Or, is $750 the total of all their sales-related fees, applied to US customers as well.

In my case (not Subaru, but Volvo), all the dealer had to do was:
1. Take my money.
2. Give me a printout of their service database, checking for recalls.

Anyway, maybe I'm misunderstanding.


The $750 fee I refer to is IN ADDITION to any fee a US consumer would pay.

In a feeble attempt to appease Subaru Canada, Subaru US no longer credits the US dealer for the sale of a vehicle to Canadian citizens and have also removed the factory rebates. While that's made the purchase a bit more expensive, it's still thousands cheaper to buy in the US.

From a Subaru corporate letter I posted on this site a few pages back, it says; "Vehicle sales made by US dealers to individuals or organizations residing outside the continental United States will no longer be eligible for SoA incentive payments/programs, ascent program buyouts, vehicle incentives, quarterly/monthly sales dealer sales volume bonuses, Chairman Roundtable awards etc.."

The letter is signed by the Chairman of Subaru of America Tomohiko Ikeda.

I guess the $750 is intended to offset some of that loss. It's interesting to note that some SoA dealers still charge at or below posted (Edmunds or similar sites) invoice while others do not.

Just to close the loop in this, here is Van Bortel's explanation of the fee:

Canadian Export Surcharge
We have begun to add a non negotiable $750 Canadian Export Surcharge to all Canadian Sales. This covers the enormous amount of work done by myself, and other dealership employees, behind the scenes in order to get a car safely and smoothly out of the US and into your driveway. There are many people that assist me in making sure your buying experience goes smoothly and that you're able to clear customs without issue. I will get your new Subaru cleared for export through the US Customs Vehicle Export Office at the Lewiston Bridge in Buffalo.

Note that this is on top of pricing at invoice which may or may not be the best pricing available.

I had an email exchange back and forth with Karl where he acknowledged that phlegm2's understanding of the process is correct: they don't do anything they wouldn't do for a US sale. There is no enormous amount of work they do, and they don't export the car YOU do.

Sucks but in the end you don't want to cut-off-your-nose-to-spite-your-face. I'll do more shopping around and if invoice+$750 is the best price I may go there. But in general I will avoid it if possible. I understand they need to make a buck and may need to earn additional $ since they may not earn certain bonuses on these sales, but I don't like the explanation the provide to justify the fee. It just isn't true. Or maybe I've set my expectations too high for car sales people.

[smacd]

Hey I am looking to buy a 2012 Hyundai tucson GL. Its soo much cheap in the US. Can I import from the US????? Its 5k Cheap in the us

No warranty for imported Hyundais.

[michelb]

I already did that and my bank confirmed it has not cleared

It could certainly take a couple of weeks or more for the bank draft to clear. I've been told for large amounts they clear it in parts (which sounds bizarre but that's what they told me). If you want to know when it's going to clear, find out what bank the dealership deals with and call the bank and they should be able to tell you.

I have to agree with the posters that say you don't have to do the export the vehicle from the US. You should but you don't have to. We had a motor home that was registered / plated in our name in the US because we leave it there for most of the year and I was wanted to use it in Canada for the summer so I tried to drive with my US plates and wasn't allowed in without importing it. Since I wasn't planning on importing it, I didn't do the 72hrs thing for the US border so couldn't export it at that time and so just imported it in Canada without exporting. Once I got home, I contacted the US border and asked them how to proceed since I hadn't exported the vehicle. At first I was told that I shouldn't have done that as I violated their laws but he pretty much told me that I don't need to worry about it (I'm not concerned that the vehicle is stolen or anything since it was registered in my name in the US).

I am pretty surprised you were able to get the Form 1 without a title, registration or MCO. What did you have to proove ownership of the vehicle? Sounds like you got a pretty lax CBA agent.

[murfman74]

Looking to purchase 2011 or 2012 Toyota Sienna , LE 8 passengers V6 FWD, APA invoice is 33,291 a savings of two thousand from dealer invoice with 2.9 % finance for 60 months. Anyone have an idea or how much I could save going to get the car from the U.S. ??


Thanks

[JWL]

Looking to purchase 2011 or 2012 Toyota Sienna , LE 8 passengers V6 FWD, APA invoice is 33,291 a savings of two thousand from dealer invoice with 2.9 % finance for 60 months. Anyone have an idea or how much I could save going to get the car from the U.S. ??


Thanks

Best bet is to check US prices at Buffalo dealerships yourself. However, Toyota won't sell you a new car and you wouldn't be able to get financing.

[phlegm2]

Hey I am looking to buy a 2012 Hyundai tucson GL. Its soo much cheap in the US. Can I import from the US????? Its 5k Cheap in the us


No warranty for imported Hyundais.

...but you can still import a Hyundai.

[phlegm2]

Just to close the loop in this, here is Van Bortel's explanation of the fee:

Canadian Export Surcharge
We have begun to add a non negotiable $750 Canadian Export Surcharge to all Canadian Sales. This covers the enormous amount of work done by myself, and other dealership employees, behind the scenes in order to get a car safely and smoothly out of the US and into your driveway. There are many people that assist me in making sure your buying experience goes smoothly and that you're able to clear customs without issue. I will get your new Subaru cleared for export through the US Customs Vehicle Export Office at the Lewiston Bridge in Buffalo.


What a complete load of crap. That is purely a cash grab, nothing else.

[doublesman]

Quick question, my apologies if it is covered elsewhere.

I am also referencing the front page of this thread: http://forums.redflagdeals.com/how-buy-your-next-vehicle-us-save-thousands-477998/

Can steps 11 and 9 be swapped in sequence???

That is :

Can I register the car with MTO before I get Form 2 stamped by RIV?. I have only seen it mentioned that Form 1 is required to register the car along with Bill of Sale and Title.

It is not very clear on :http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/faq/vehicle.shtml#used5

My reason is that Form 2 getting stamped means I have to wait for Form 2 and would like to drive the car in the mean time , or can I ?? It has a Tennessee temp tag currently and if I cannot drive with that , then maybe I could register it?

Can someone clarify this if if you know ? Thanks !

[doublesman]

That's a very sad story.

I have a couple of observations to make (completely my opinion); If you were properly insured when the collision took place, your insurance company should repair the vehicle in the jurisdiction where the damage occurred. I know a few people who had accidents in the US and were protected. Unfortunately they did have to pay some out of pocket expenses since the vehicle coverage did not fully cover hotel/food.

The fact that the vehicle was in transit was inconsequential. If you were issued the insurance slip and they still argue with you, then I would get a lawyer.

Depending on the insurer, they might simply pay you outright for the purchase price (another good reason to report that) or have it repaired. I don't think there's depreciation on the day you purchase the vehicle - even though folks would argue that - a lawyer would prove otherwise.

Let us know what happens.

I had a good resolution. Meloche Monnex covered the entire purchase and pickup expenses. I was happy with settlement. Went out and got a clone of the car from the same lucky dealer, this time had it shipped.

[doublesman]

Quick question, my apologies if it is covered elsewhere.

I am also referencing the front page of this thread: http://forums.redflagdeals.com/how-buy-your-next-vehicle-us-save-thousands-477998/

Can steps 11 and 9 be swapped in sequence???

That is :

Can I register the car with MTO before I get Form 2 stamped by RIV?. I have only seen it mentioned that Form 1 is required to register the car along with Bill of Sale and Title.

It is not very clear on :http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/faq/vehicle.shtml#used5

My reason is that Form 2 getting stamped means I have to wait for Form 2 and would like to drive the car in the mean time , or can I ?? It has a Tennessee temp tag currently and if I cannot drive with that , then maybe I could register it?

Can someone clarify this if if you know ? Thanks !


I was a bit confused here , it seems that RIV stamps Form 1 on the order of Form 2. So I need a CT stamped Form 1 to register with MTO. OK .
However , does anyone know if I could drive with the Tennessee temp tag in the mean time?

[michelb]

I was a bit confused here , it seems that RIV stamps Form 1 on the order of Form 2. So I need a CT stamped Form 1 to register with MTO. OK .
However , does anyone know if I could drive with the Tennessee temp tag in the mean time?

Looks like you found the answer yourself but just to confirm that you can't register with MTO until you do the CT inspection and you can't do that until you get the Form2 (they stamp Form1 but you need to bring CT Form2 to have the inspection done). That said, if you do it online, it shouldn't take long to get Form2. When I did last did it in December, I believe I got Form2 a few hours after paying the RIV fee (probably imported vehicle around 10-11AM, got home by 12-1PM and paid RIV fee, received email that Form2 was available at 3:20PM that same day.

As far as driving with the temp permit, I think Ontario ones are suppose to be just to drive between home and service station, etc. But as far as I'm concerned, any temp permit means that the vehicle is legally authorized to be on the road and I've used it to drive the vehicle around. I believe I verified with the police several years ago when I imported my first vehicle - since then I just do it. (not really any different that dealerships driving with dealer plates. Technically it's suppose to just be for test drives, etc but I see them on vehicles used daily all the time).

[Monsieurmaggot]

Quick question, my apologies if it is covered elsewhere.

I am also referencing the front page of this thread: http://forums.redflagdeals.com/how-buy-your-next-vehicle-us-save-thousands-477998/

Can steps 11 and 9 be swapped in sequence???

That is :

Can I register the car with MTO before I get Form 2 stamped by RIV?. I have only seen it mentioned that Form 1 is required to register the car along with Bill of Sale and Title.

It is not very clear on :http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/faq/vehicle.shtml#used5

My reason is that Form 2 getting stamped means I have to wait for Form 2 and would like to drive the car in the mean time , or can I ?? It has a Tennessee temp tag currently and if I cannot drive with that , then maybe I could register it?

Can someone clarify this if if you know ? Thanks !


The easy answer: NO. The MTO will require the completed Form2 in order to register the vehicle in Ontario. Form1 gets your vehicle into the RIV program. FORM2 is the form that shows what is required to bring the vehicle to Canadian specs and will be checked by the MTO.

Also to answer your other question, technically (according to my insurer) you CANNOT drive during the waiting period. I was only permitted to drive the vehicle to the inspection and licensing bureaus. The intention is that you should register ASAP. The transit permit provided to you by the US state is for transportation and delivery to your jurisdiction. My insurer told me that if I would NOT be insured if I ran into any issues during the waiting period. I was fortunate enough to live in Toronto so I stopped into the RIV office on my way home and had Form2 and arranged to have the inspection done the next day.

In Ontario you can be fined for having an improperly insured and registered vehicle if an officer believes you are not "in transit" to your final destination.

[Korozive]

From what I see , RIV is for cars from US.
http://www.riv.ca/VehicleAdmissibility.aspx

What about cars from Mexico ? Any ideas ?

[Milfman]

From what I see , RIV is for cars from US.
http://www.riv.ca/VehicleAdmissibility.aspx

What about cars from Mexico ? Any ideas ?

Quick look at their FAQ showed...

Importing from countries OTHER than the United States

The Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV) program only regulates vehicles originally manufactured for distribution in the U.S. market. Visit Transport Canada (http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/roadsafety/safevehicles-importation-other-than-index-446.htm) for more information about importing vehicles from other countries.

[colemac]

My lease is coming up to an end very soon and I am just wondering what would be the best method to take for this? I am in Calgary, AB.

Thanks,

[JWL]

From what I see , RIV is for cars from US.
http://www.riv.ca/VehicleAdmissibility.aspx

What about cars from Mexico ? Any ideas ?

I think this means for importing through the US border rather than US built. So if you are driving it back from Mexico, you will be going through the Canada/US border and it will be "from the US".
However, this would also mean you are exporting from Mexico/importing to US, so this could be an additional challenge.

If you are flying it in from Mexico directly to Canada then I understand your question but don't have an answer.

[phlegm2]

My lease is coming up to an end very soon and I am just wondering what would be the best method to take for this? I am in Calgary, AB.

Thanks,

I'm not sure I understand the question.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I'm not sure I understand the question.

<In my best Tony Soprano voice> "Y'know, he's tawkin' about that ting, from dat guy. Heaven forbid our friend ain't got dat ting. You know what I mean?"

[Chasem]

Father in law, who lives in the States, wants to give us a new car. He plans to buy it from the States, drive it up to Canada and then transfer the ownership of the vehicle to my wife. It would be given as a gift, so there is no sale or money exchanged.

Would we still have to go through RIV and fill in all the paperwork to have the vehicle transferred?
Pay GST/PST?
Pay any duties?
Pay any other fees?

[webdoctors]

Father in law, who lives in the States, wants to give us a new car. He plans to buy it from the States, drive it up to Canada and then transfer the ownership of the vehicle to my wife. It would be given as a gift, so there is no sale or money exchanged.

Would we still have to go through RIV and fill in all the paperwork to have the vehicle transferred?
Pay GST/PST?
Pay any duties?
Pay any other fees?

I thought about the same thing, I was thinking of buying a car for my mom in NY and driving it up and giving it to her. But, regardless, whoever does the importing into Canada would have to pay the GST/PST so there's no advantage in terms of duties/fees/GST/PST.

[Korozive]

I think this means for importing through the US border rather than US built. So if you are driving it back from Mexico, you will be going through the Canada/US border and it will be "from the US".
However, this would also mean you are exporting from Mexico/importing to US, so this could be an additional challenge.

If you are flying it in from Mexico directly to Canada then I understand your question but don't have an answer.

Yes, I was talking about going to Mexico to find a classic Beetle, Thing or Rabbit.

Anyone knows if I can drive from Mexico to Montreal with a temp plate ?

What is cheaper, have it ship on boat or by truck ?

[michelb]

Father in law, who lives in the States, wants to give us a new car. He plans to buy it from the States, drive it up to Canada and then transfer the ownership of the vehicle to my wife. It would be given as a gift, so there is no sale or money exchanged.

Would we still have to go through RIV and fill in all the paperwork to have the vehicle transferred?
Pay GST/PST?
Pay any duties?
Pay any other fees?

As webdoctors mentioned, 'gifting' between family members does not apply for imports and the same fees apply and the same process must be followed. The vehicle should be exported from the US at the US border then it has to be imported at the Canadian border and entered in the RIV program (if less than 15 yrs old) and GST / duties / fees has to be paid then. If the vehicle is already in Canada, I suspect that you have to return to the border to import but it's possible you don't (for the opposite (CND vehicle in the US), I know that it would have to be brought out of the US before it can be imported into the US at the border). If there is no sale / bill of sale, you will be charged tax on the book value of the vehicle (definitely not what you want). I've been told that they'll accept a professional appraisal in cases like these.

I tried 'selling' my US registered vehicle to my wife for $1 (had a notorized bill of sale) and they did not accept that and wanted to charge us taxes based on market value. Luckily I still had the bill of sale from when I bought it 2 years before and they allowed us to use that (but no depreciation or use factor) and even that was less than 1/2 the value they came up with.

[michelb]

Yes, I was talking about going to Mexico to find a classic Beetle, Thing or Rabbit.

Anyone knows if I can drive from Mexico to Montreal with a temp plate ?

What is cheaper, have it ship on boat or by truck ?

This thread deals specifically with importing from US to Canada (as does RIV). For imports from other countries, you'll need to contact CBA and Transport Canada. In your case, since the vehicle is probably more than 15 yrs old, you can just import it (although I don't know the exact process. Might just be drive up to the border, pay taxes and you can be on your way although I have no idea what you'd need to register it in Canada (there's some info here http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5048-eng.html).

As far as driving with temp plates, you'll probably have to find out for yourself if you can even get some from Mexico and if they are valid to be used in Canada and the US.

Shipping from Mexico to Canada is likely going to be very expensive (possibly more than the value of the car unless you are getting a mint condition collectors item). If I had to guess, I'd say by truck would probably cost you at least $3000+. By boat might be a bit cheaper.

[aerohead888]

Good afternoon,

I have a Honda Odyssey minivan that I purchased in the states a couple of years ago. I am now looking at trading it in for a 4-wheel drive Sienna. Has anyone had experience in trading in a vehicle in the states? Is it hard to do? Are you on the hook to pay only the taxes on the difference between the trade-in and the new vehicle?

Thanks

[michelb]

Good afternoon,

I have a Honda Odyssey minivan that I purchased in the states a couple of years ago. I am now looking at trading it in for a 4-wheel drive Sienna. Has anyone had experience in trading in a vehicle in the states? Is it hard to do? Are you on the hook to pay only the taxes on the difference between the trade-in and the new vehicle?

Thanks

Talk to the US Customs and to the dealership. Technically since it was a US vehicle, you shouldn't really have a problem trading it in there but the vehicle will have to be re-imported into the US and you might not be able to do it if you don't have a US address so the dealership might have to do it and they might not want to be bothered.

That said though, check to see if it even makes sense financially. The whole point of buying in the US is that you can buy for cheaper but that means your old car is also worth less in the US. I suspect that you're better off simply selling in Canada even if you won't get a credit on the taxes.

[aerohead888]

Talk to the US Customs and to the dealership. Technically since it was a US vehicle, you shouldn't really have a problem trading it in there but the vehicle will have to be re-imported into the US and you might not be able to do it if you don't have a US address so the dealership might have to do it and they might not want to be bothered.

That said though, check to see if it even makes sense financially. The whole point of buying in the US is that you can buy for cheaper but that means your old car is also worth less in the US. I suspect that you're better off simply selling in Canada even if you won't get a credit on the taxes.

Thanks for the reply. I did punch up the resale value of my current minivan and they are pretty much on par between Canada and the States. The big savings comes in the purchase of the new minivan. I can get the XLE AWD model in Canada for 38k. The Limited model (top of the line - ie. XLE AWD with Nav, DVD, etc.) is going for 31k in the states. That's a 7k difference - not factoring the added features, which would account for a few thousand more in the gap. The dollar is almost at par, which is nice, but I checked the RIV site and I would be on the hook for GST on the full value of the car pre-trade-in. Not sure about the PST portion.

Then I need to factor in hassle of importing another vehicle, not to mention exporting it to the states and taking time off from work to make the trade. I may just try to work with a local company that deals with importing cars and let them take care of the legwork. It will cost more, but should still be better than working directly with a US dealer or buying a vehicle off the lot. The kicker is that the XLE van I have my eye on is listed as a former US vehicle. They are putting a pretty big mark up on it.

Thanks

[Fire]

I asked a BMW sales at US and she said the BMW dealer cannot sell certified pre-own BMW to Canadian anymore...

Is that true?

[smacd]

Thanks for the reply. I did punch up the resale value of my current minivan and they are pretty much on par between Canada and the States. The big savings comes in the purchase of the new minivan. I can get the XLE AWD model in Canada for 38k. The Limited model (top of the line - ie. XLE AWD with Nav, DVD, etc.) is going for 31k in the states. That's a 7k difference - not factoring the added features, which would account for a few thousand more in the gap. The dollar is almost at par, which is nice, but I checked the RIV site and I would be on the hook for GST on the full value of the car pre-trade-in. Not sure about the PST portion.

Then I need to factor in hassle of importing another vehicle, not to mention exporting it to the states and taking time off from work to make the trade. I may just try to work with a local company that deals with importing cars and let them take care of the legwork. It will cost more, but should still be better than working directly with a US dealer or buying a vehicle off the lot. The kicker is that the XLE van I have my eye on is listed as a former US vehicle. They are putting a pretty big mark up on it.

Thanks

You also have to factor in that if the Sienna is indeed new, it will be very difficult to find a US dealer who will sell you one for export. Toyota doesn't allow it.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I asked a BMW sales at US and she said the BMW dealer cannot sell certified pre-own BMW to Canadian anymore...

Is that true?

Time to find a new dealer.

There is no US automaker limitation prohibiting the sale of any used US vehicle to Canadians. That's clearly a dealer decision.

Until today, I haven't heard of any dealer refusing to sell a used vehicle to Canadians.

I get tons of emails every day from people telling me how they successfully import used vehicles across the border.

[michelb]

Thanks for the reply. I did punch up the resale value of my current minivan and they are pretty much on par between Canada and the States. The big savings comes in the purchase of the new minivan. I can get the XLE AWD model in Canada for 38k. The Limited model (top of the line - ie. XLE AWD with Nav, DVD, etc.) is going for 31k in the states. That's a 7k difference - not factoring the added features, which would account for a few thousand more in the gap. The dollar is almost at par, which is nice, but I checked the RIV site and I would be on the hook for GST on the full value of the car pre-trade-in. Not sure about the PST portion.

...

I'm curious where you get your prices. Your Canadian quote for a XLE AWD - is that for a 2012? Is that for the standard package or for the Limited (Toyota.ca shows the XLE AWD standard at $41k+pdi and LTD is $49k+pdi). Where did you find a US XLE at $31k? I didn't look much but best I found for a XLE AWD Limited in the US was $39k. Or are you looking at used (which would explain the prices).

Let us know. Thanks.

[Fire]

Time to find a new dealer.

There is no US automaker limitation prohibiting the sale of any used US vehicle to Canadians. That's clearly a dealer decision.

Until today, I haven't heard of any dealer refusing to sell a used vehicle to Canadians.

I get tons of emails every day from people telling me how they successfully import used vehicles across the border.

Thanks. I put a rule to move that dealer's email into trash right after I saw your post.:D:D:D:D He's fired!

[4family]

Hello all. Have followed this very helpful thread on and off and am now considering my 5th import from U.S. to Canada. First time dealing with Mercedes Benz and their particular hassles.

Looking at a 2009 Mercedes Benz GL320 diesel. The warranty to me isn't worth the cost M-B Canada charges for all of their "conversion" work.

The truck is made in Alabama so no duty. I find the RIV website confusing regarding M-B vehicles, particularly about electronic immobilizers, daytime running lights, and speedometer rules.

This truck has a mpg only speedometer with no kph markings (unless there's a way to change it electronically). Do I just get a sticker at Cdn tire to say its in mph, or do I need the actual kph dials? I want to avoid doing a cluster swap if possible!

I'm not sure if the immobilizer is present or if it conforms to CVMS whatever. M-B Canada wants to charge me $750 to even tell me that once I provide the VIN to them. I plan to get the U.S. recall letter from the U.S. dealer service printout. Also, the DRL's can be turned on and off (need to confirm) through the COMAND system; do they need to be hard wired to prevent turning them off?

Anyone who has RECENTLY imported this model or similar M-B, I'd appreciate your experience about it!

Thanks! Mark

Previous imports: Subaru Legacy, Honda Odyssey, Mazda Miata, Audi A3, (and a boat trailer (-:.

[pf22100]

Hi all

I'm looking into the Pathfinder 2011 Silver model. I don't see much recently on the Pathfinder's on this thread.

From what I understand with the Nissan's, used is no problem with warranty as long as it was registered at least 6 months. Is there also a mileage requirement for warranty in Canada?

Also looking for any recommendations for Canada friendly dealers (not that the process is difficult) or even a broker that can assist my search.

I'm in Calgary.

[GSD]

Hello all. Have followed this very helpful thread on and off and am now considering my 5th import from U.S. to Canada. First time dealing with Mercedes Benz and their particular hassles.

Looking at a 2009 Mercedes Benz GL320 diesel. The warranty to me isn't worth the cost M-B Canada charges for all of their "conversion" work.

The truck is made in Alabama so no duty. I find the RIV website confusing regarding M-B vehicles, particularly about electronic immobilizers, daytime running lights, and speedometer rules.

This truck has a mpg only speedometer with no kph markings (unless there's a way to change it electronically). Do I just get a sticker at Cdn tire to say its in mph, or do I need the actual kph dials? I want to avoid doing a cluster swap if possible!

I'm not sure if the immobilizer is present or if it conforms to CVMS whatever. M-B Canada wants to charge me $750 to even tell me that once I provide the VIN to them. I plan to get the U.S. recall letter from the U.S. dealer service printout. Also, the DRL's can be turned on and off (need to confirm) through the COMAND system; do they need to be hard wired to prevent turning them off?

Anyone who has RECENTLY imported this model or similar M-B, I'd appreciate your experience about it!

Thanks! Mark

Previous imports: Subaru Legacy, Honda Odyssey, Mazda Miata, Audi A3, (and a boat trailer (-:.


Mark, I Imported a 2007 ML320 CDI Diesel a year ago. The DRL can be activated from the instrument cluster (no hard wire checked at my Crappy Tire). A digital speedometer with KMH can be activated from the cluster through user menu. Immobilizer wasn't questioned given the security alarm it already has. I faxed a VMI to RIV in advance for the recall clearance. No duty duty USA made Benz.

You can check my post in this forum for further info too.

[clsl]

Hi,
I am buying a Subaru Forester from Seattle and I would like to rent UHaul pickup and trailer to tow it back to Vancouver. I know if I drive the car itself back to Canada, I would need a temp driving permit. However, I am thinking of towing the car. Do I still need a temp driving permit? Or is there any other thing I should be aware of by towing a car in WA and crossing the boarder? Thank you for the help!

[xxmmx]

Hi all,

I am thinking of having an American citizen help me buy a new car from a US dealer, and then he "sells" it to me. Here are some questions I have regarding this idea.

As an out of state buyer, will the dealer give him a DMV title or Manufacturer Certificate of Origin (MCO) not charging him the sales tax? What I really want is

something that's transferable to me. If he does not get a transferable title from the dealer, does he need to go to his own state DMV and pay tax to get it? In other

word, is a DMV title separate from plate registration? The whole purpose here is to see if he can avoid the sales tax by not registering the car there.

To do a title transfer, can he just mail me the title or I have to go to a US DMV office physically to do this?

Once I have the title of the car and the rest of docs (bill of sale, recall clearance letter, temp plate etc), am I ready to bring it over the border?

One last thing, does a dealer always require the buyer to go to the dealership physically to sign all the paper work or can this be done by mail?

If you guys see any fatal flaws in this process, please let me know. Any input will be greatly appreciated!

H.

[MitSl]

Hi there , wondering if any can help me with this question

I'm looking to buy a 2012 jetta tdi with leather , and dsg transmission , I've found one I like total cost at the dealer comes to 20500


The dealer is fine with selling the car but say I need to register it , no temp tags are available.

Would it be possible to use our shops "garage" plates ( those yellow ones ) to drive the car back or would this cause a problem, my insurance said they would cover the new car until I get back on those plates

[phlegm2]

Hi,
I am buying a Subaru Forester from Seattle and I would like to rent UHaul pickup and trailer to tow it back to Vancouver. I know if I drive the car itself back to Canada, I would need a temp driving permit. However, I am thinking of towing the car. Do I still need a temp driving permit? Or is there any other thing I should be aware of by towing a car in WA and crossing the boarder? Thank you for the help!

Just curious about the details of this sale. Why would you incur the expense of renting a pickup and trailer instead of driving it back on temp plates?

[phlegm2]

Hi all,

I am thinking of having an American citizen help me buy a new car from a US dealer, and then he "sells" it to me. Here are some questions I have regarding this idea.

As an out of state buyer, will the dealer give him a DMV title or Manufacturer Certificate of Origin (MCO) not charging him the sales tax? What I really want is

something that's transferable to me. If he does not get a transferable title from the dealer, does he need to go to his own state DMV and pay tax to get it? In other

word, is a DMV title separate from plate registration? The whole purpose here is to see if he can avoid the sales tax by not registering the car there.

To do a title transfer, can he just mail me the title or I have to go to a US DMV office physically to do this?

Once I have the title of the car and the rest of docs (bill of sale, recall clearance letter, temp plate etc), am I ready to bring it over the border?

One last thing, does a dealer always require the buyer to go to the dealership physically to sign all the paper work or can this be done by mail?

If you guys see any fatal flaws in this process, please let me know. Any input will be greatly appreciated!

H.

I'm trying to figure out what you'd gain by leveraging your US friend.

Depends on the state you purchase in, but the dealer may not have to collect state taxes for out-of-state buyers - this also includes you as a Canadian. So, for example, you can buy a new vehicle in Pennsylvania and they won't take taxes from you. Nothing to gain in this case by having your US friend buy on your behalf.

Now, when you say your friend "sells" you the car, it sounds like the old "beat the system" scheme that has come up in this forum before. In other words, you "buy" the car from your friend for a ridiculously low price, and thus taxes and duty at the border are lower. Problem is that they'll calculate taxes against the value of the car, and would be suspicious of a curiously low price on a private sale. (I believe M Maggot has warned against doing this.)

In brief, assuming I understand your plan, you have little to gain from employing your US friend in the process.

P.S. Re documents, I've signed and faxed/scanned/emailed signed documents for my deals, but I've ultimately signed all the documents in person at the dealership upon pickup. To avoid signing in person completely, i.e. if you're not picking up the car in person, you might have to get a witness/notary, but check with a lawyer. There's probably a way to do it, and have an agent pick up the vehicle in your absence.

[phlegm2]

Hi there , wondering if any can help me with this question

I'm looking to buy a 2012 jetta tdi with leather , and dsg transmission , I've found one I like total cost at the dealer comes to 20500


The dealer is fine with selling the car but say I need to register it , no temp tags are available.

Would it be possible to use our shops "garage" plates ( those yellow ones ) to drive the car back or would this cause a problem, my insurance said they would cover the new car until I get back on those plates

I'm a bit fuzzy on the registration bit - can you elaborate on what the dealer said? Is he expecting you to register your car in the US? Would you be providing a US address somehow? Doesn't make sense to me.

I'm not even sure if a Canadian could register a car in the US, but I'm pretty sure that registration means that you'd have to pay state tax, i.e. if a US buyer registered the car, they'd be paying state tax at some point.

I've imported 3 cars to date, from 2 dealers, in 2 different states, and in each case they provided me with temporary plates, I did not register the vehicle, and I did not pay local state tax. I suspect he is misinformed.

As for the the shop plates, sounds like you've spoken to your insurance company, so take their advice.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I'm trying to figure out what you'd gain by leveraging your US friend.

Depends on the state you purchase in, but the dealer may not have to collect state taxes for out-of-state buyers - this also includes you as a Canadian. So, for example, you can buy a new vehicle in Pennsylvania and they won't take taxes from you. Nothing to gain in this case by having your US friend buy on your behalf.

Now, when you say your friend "sells" you the car, it sounds like the old "beat the system" scheme that has come up in this forum before. In other words, you "buy" the car from your friend for a ridiculously low price, and thus taxes and duty at the border are lower. Problem is that they'll calculate taxes against the value of the car, and would be suspicious of a curiously low price on a private sale. (I believe M Maggot has warned against doing this.)

In brief, assuming I understand your plan, you have little to gain from employing your US friend in the process.

P.S. Re documents, I've signed and faxed/scanned/emailed signed documents for my deals, but I've ultimately signed all the documents in person at the dealership upon pickup. To avoid signing in person completely, i.e. if you're not picking up the car in person, you might have to get a witness/notary, but check with a lawyer. There's probably a way to do it, and have an agent pick up the vehicle in your absence.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Many US states are now collecting out of state sales tax collection in order to stem interstate purchasing. As I understand it, folks near state lines were crossing the state lines and buying vehicles in adjoining states to save or reduce their sales tax burden. Many US states are now collecting a portion of the sales tax for the resident's state. Some municipalities have also added their own auto sales taxes.

Lucky for those living near NY state, NY still allows out of state purchasing and doesn't charge sales tax.

The only benefit in getting a relative involved would be to help acquire a new US vehicle that won't be sold to Canadians. My contact at Canada Customs has repeatedly told me they will charge the full retail MSRP value of new (current model year) vehicles that have practically no mileage. It would be crucial to have documentation to support what the relative paid since it would almost be less than MSRP. If the declaration is for less, the inspector may choose to charge the importer with tax aversion. They can also impound the vehicle.

What Canada Customs can do can't go unnoticed. A few months ago, some knucklehead thought he could outsmart Canada Customs and was charged with tax aversion, a criminal offense and his flashy vehicle was impounded.

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/media/prosecutions-poursuites/nor/2011-10-04-eng.html

Remember these folks have seen all the scams.

[xxmmx]

phlegm2, thanks a lot for your reply.

As Monsieurmaggot mentioned, the thinking was to just buy a new vehicle, which otherwise would not be sold to Canadians directly (e.g. Toyota). It's not for faking a low sale value etc.

Called up a Toyota dealer and he said the sales (done by my American contact) document would prohibit exporting a new vehicle within a year. I am not 100% sure of what he's talking about, so I cannot say whether or not he's simply BS.




I'm trying to figure out what you'd gain by leveraging your US friend.

Depends on the state you purchase in, but the dealer may not have to collect state taxes for out-of-state buyers - this also includes you as a Canadian. So, for example, you can buy a new vehicle in Pennsylvania and they won't take taxes from you. Nothing to gain in this case by having your US friend buy on your behalf.

Now, when you say your friend "sells" you the car, it sounds like the old "beat the system" scheme that has come up in this forum before. In other words, you "buy" the car from your friend for a ridiculously low price, and thus taxes and duty at the border are lower. Problem is that they'll calculate taxes against the value of the car, and would be suspicious of a curiously low price on a private sale. (I believe M Maggot has warned against doing this.)

In brief, assuming I understand your plan, you have little to gain from employing your US friend in the process.

P.S. Re documents, I've signed and faxed/scanned/emailed signed documents for my deals, but I've ultimately signed all the documents in person at the dealership upon pickup. To avoid signing in person completely, i.e. if you're not picking up the car in person, you might have to get a witness/notary, but check with a lawyer. There's probably a way to do it, and have an agent pick up the vehicle in your absence.

[phlegm2]

phlegm2, thanks a lot for your reply.

As Monsieurmaggot mentioned, the thinking was to just buy a new vehicle, which otherwise would not be sold to Canadians directly (e.g. Toyota). It's not for faking a low sale value etc.

Called up a Toyota dealer and he said the sales (done by my American contact) document would prohibit exporting a new vehicle within a year. I am not 100% sure of what he's talking about, so I cannot say whether or not he's simply BS.

Wow, Toyota is now defining export law! Yep, most certainly BS.

BTW, not that it matters, but I'm curious why you mentioned exporting at all to the dealership. As far as they're concerned, you are negotiating a deal on behalf of your friend (your location is irrelevant), and they needn't be concerned about what happens to the car after they sell it. It should be a deal like any other deal made in the US.

On a related note, you got me thinking about the transaction when your US friend "sells" the car back to you. I'm curious if they'd have to register the car in the US first in order for the title transfer to go through. I'm also curious about the title document itself (aka MSO, CO), and how that would work. Did you have details on that portion?

[wehfra]

Hi Phlegm2
*wanted to know which dealer sold you the 2012 volvo - if tried to contact a few in Penn & Ohio, and nobody bothers to get back to me re: selling to a CDN
*were daytime running lights already active on yours? If I buy from FLA, and drive it over, I would have to get that fixed...
*hope to read you soon!

[davka]

I currently live in Alberta and will be moving to Ontario in May. I do not have a vehicle and the last car I owned was in BC 4 years ago. Never had an insurance in Alberta or Ontario.
My question is, how do I purchase a car (Subaru?) in US and avoid paying PST. At what point can I transfer it to Ontario without paying the PST? Can I "gift" it to my wife in Ontario right away?
Thank you

[smacd]

Hi Phlegm2
*wanted to know which dealer sold you the 2012 volvo - if tried to contact a few in Penn & Ohio, and nobody bothers to get back to me re: selling to a CDN
*were daytime running lights already active on yours? If I buy from FLA, and drive it over, I would have to get that fixed...
*hope to read you soon!

If you buy in FLA and drive, you must pay Florida sales tax (6%+ depending on the county). The only way around the tax is to ship out of the state.

[clsl]

Just curious about the details of this sale. Why would you incur the expense of renting a pickup and trailer instead of driving it back on temp plates?

All my family and friends have regular work in weekdays. I plan to take a day off and I do not want to bother one of them to take a day off with me. Beside, it is not very expensive to rent a pickup with trailer like $200?

Another factor was that I heard a brand new car should not be driven too much on highway unless the break in period is over. Something like 2000 miles. Is it true?

I manage to find a bus there and I think I will take bus and drive it back.

[michelb]

I currently live in Alberta and will be moving to Ontario in May. I do not have a vehicle and the last car I owned was in BC 4 years ago. Never had an insurance in Alberta or Ontario.
My question is, how do I purchase a car (Subaru?) in US and avoid paying PST. At what point can I transfer it to Ontario without paying the PST? Can I "gift" it to my wife in Ontario right away?
Thank you

Check with Ontario Ministry of Transport but I believe if you have a vehicle that's currently registered in Alberta (or any other province) and move to Ontario and transfer the vehicle there, you don't have to pay PST (it's possible it has to have been registered for a certain amount of time though so you want to ask that too).

So for your purchase, you'd buy in the US, import into Alberta and register there and then transfer to Ontario.

[tomburt]

I'm interested in purchasing new or slightly used Chevy or GMC truck

Having difficulty finding a decent web site to search for US vehicles (e.g. site similar to autotrader.ca).


Please recommend a site or even a dealership. I'm located in Toronto


thanks

[petaling108]

Hi Phlegm2
*wanted to know which dealer sold you the 2012 volvo - if tried to contact a few in Penn & Ohio, and nobody bothers to get back to me re: selling to a CDN
*were daytime running lights already active on yours? If I buy from FLA, and drive it over, I would have to get that fixed...
*hope to read you soon!


Question to phlegm2
cough cough


Can you bypass volvocanada dealer inspection like when buying a BMW or MB?

[mtlrabbit]

I am importing a subaru outback into Canada, US dealer insist that cash incentive($1000) is not qulify for Canadian importer, anybody can verify if this is true. Thanks.

[clsl]

I am importing a subaru outback into Canada, US dealer insist that cash incentive($1000) is not qulify for Canadian importer, anybody can verify if this is true. Thanks.

I am importing a subaru forester into Canada as well. I have asked several dealers and I have got the same answer: Subaru dealers will not get any incentives if the car is sold to Canadian. I am not sure if it is true but apparently they have the same unofficial answer to all Canadian. I think they want to take advantage of Canadian to make the max profit. However, you might be able to find a dealer who would give out some profit.

[thepotatohead]

I am importing a subaru forester into Canada as well. I have asked several dealers and I have got the same answer: Subaru dealers will not get any incentives if the car is sold to Canadian. I am not sure if it is true but apparently they have the same unofficial answer to all Canadian. I think they want to take advantage of Canadian to make the max profit. However, you might be able to find a dealer who would give out some profit.

I think it's Subaru USA decision few years back(2009?) not to offer incentive to Canadian buyer.

[bomberman447]

I noticed in the one thread on importing a car 'How to Buy Your Next Vehicle from the US - and Save Thousands! '
There was a wiki back then listing the states in which they charge state sales tax on vehicles bought by out of state residents. (Carburner.com)
The website no longer works so I was wondering if anyone has a link where I could find such a list as I am hoping to buy a vehicle through a dealer in the spring.
Thanks

[Devious]

Be aware you'll want to be looking into 3rd party warranty as VW will void (which should be illegal) your warranty on both sides of the border.


Hi there , wondering if any can help me with this question

I'm looking to buy a 2012 jetta tdi with leather , and dsg transmission , I've found one I like total cost at the dealer comes to 20500


The dealer is fine with selling the car but say I need to register it , no temp tags are available.

Would it be possible to use our shops "garage" plates ( those yellow ones ) to drive the car back or would this cause a problem, my insurance said they would cover the new car until I get back on those plates

[FooCanada]

I have a friend who bought a Land Rover in Florida in 2010. He put Ontario plates on it but never "imported" it officially. Now he wants to bring it to the US to sell it. Can he just bring it down or does he have to import it into the US?

[Chasem]

I've decided to take the plunge into buying a 2012 Subaru Forester from the States.

I need exchange $28000 Cdn or so into $US and was wondering what FOREX site people like to use that gives the best exchange rates/lowest fees.

Ideally I'd like to:

Send $28000 Cdn -> Forex Site -> convert to $US -> send back to my $US bank account.

[GSD]

I've decided to take the plunge into buying a 2012 Subaru Forester from the States.

I need exchange $28000 Cdn or so into $US and was wondering what FOREX site people like to use that gives the best exchange rates/lowest fees.

Ideally I'd like to:

Send $28000 Cdn -> Forex Site -> convert to $US -> send back to my $US bank account.

I used canadianforex, no wire or conversion costs.

[golden]

I have a friend who bought a Land Rover in Florida in 2010. He put Ontario plates on it but never "imported" it officially. Now he wants to bring it to the US to sell it. Can he just bring it down or does he have to import it into the US?

Can your friend even get insurance without officially import it?

[JWL]

I'm interested in purchasing new or slightly used Chevy or GMC truck

Having difficulty finding a decent web site to search for US vehicles (e.g. site similar to autotrader.ca).

How about autotrader.COM?

[mtl_cheapo]

How about autotrader.COM?

or cars.com

[michelb]

I have a friend who bought a Land Rover in Florida in 2010. He put Ontario plates on it but never "imported" it officially. Now he wants to bring it to the US to sell it. Can he just bring it down or does he have to import it into the US?

Your statement doesn't really make any sense; what do you mean by 'he put Ontario plates on it but never "imported" it officially'. Do you mean that he just used plates from another car? If that's the case, than yes, nothing would stop him from selling it in the US - it's still registered / titled there. If he actually got plates / registration from Ontario then he either imported it or the person on the MoT really screwed up when they let him register it like that. In either case, he's probably need to export it from Canada (whatever that process is) and then re-import in the US (unless he never actually exported it, in which case, the old title is still valid).

You need to elaborate if you want a useful response.

[Genblue]

I've decided to take the plunge into buying a 2012 Subaru Forester from the States.

I need exchange $28000 Cdn or so into $US and was wondering what FOREX site people like to use that gives the best exchange rates/lowest fees.

Ideally I'd like to:

Send $28000 Cdn -> Forex Site -> convert to $US -> send back to my $US bank account.
If you trade stock, here's an idea (http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/a-foolproof-method-to-convert-canadian-dollars-into-us-dollars/). I've never tried it but if you read the comments, others have had success.

[Chris03]

Has anyone imported a Challenger into Canada?....I know I will be outa luck for warranty, but still see some pretty good price gaps for a Used 2011/2012 RT/SRT.

Also..need some info on taxes....I know about RIV/HST, but......is there a gas guzzler tax for a used RT/SRT when I bring it over.

Any info would be great.

Thanks

[jfernandez1977]

I've decided to take the plunge into buying a 2012 Subaru Forester from the States.

I need exchange $28000 Cdn or so into $US and was wondering what FOREX site people like to use that gives the best exchange rates/lowest fees.

Ideally I'd like to:

Send $28000 Cdn -> Forex Site -> convert to $US -> send back to my $US bank account.


I'm working for a US company and get paid in US$. I live in KW. I'm looking to exchange to Canadian $ within a month. I can do the exchange with you. We can use the exchange rate of xe.com of that day so it's fair for everybody and nobody loses any commission to greedy banks. I've done that with people many times before, but to a smaller amount. The problem is if you see a rate you like and want to do the exchange, I might want to wait, or vice varsas. When do you need it? Send me PM with your contact if you're interested.

you know you have to pay extra 6.1% duty when you bring a forester to Canada because it's made in Japan? Lots of people go with Outback or Tribeca because they're assembled in US, no duty.

[jfernandez1977]

phlegm2, thanks a lot for your reply.

As Monsieurmaggot mentioned, the thinking was to just buy a new vehicle, which otherwise would not be sold to Canadians directly (e.g. Toyota). It's not for faking a low sale value etc.

Called up a Toyota dealer and he said the sales (done by my American contact) document would prohibit exporting a new vehicle within a year. I am not 100% sure of what he's talking about, so I cannot say whether or not he's simply BS.

I think he's BS. I've purchased a pre-owned 2011 vehicle in US in the year of 2011 from a dealer. I have no issue importing it to Canada. When you purchase it from your US friend, it's considering a used vehicle. I think your friend needs to purchase it, has it registered under his name in his state before he can sells it to you. I have no such experience, but I think it helps if you can find friend in the states of NH, DE, MT, OR or even AK as those states do not have sales tax.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I noticed in the one thread on importing a car 'How to Buy Your Next Vehicle from the US - and Save Thousands! '
There was a wiki back then listing the states in which they charge state sales tax on vehicles bought by out of state residents. (Carburner.com)
The website no longer works so I was wondering if anyone has a link where I could find such a list as I am hoping to buy a vehicle through a dealer in the spring.
Thanks

I used to provide all the information on carburner.com but the site wasn't mine. It was hosted and owned by someone else. The site went dark.

I have since taken all my documents and posted them on a site I now own and manage (www.monsieurmaggot.com).

All the information that I posted at Carburner.com was moved and updated on monsieurmaggot.com.

Please feel free to let me know if anything needs to be updated.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I am importing a subaru outback into Canada, US dealer insist that cash incentive($1000) is not qulify for Canadian importer, anybody can verify if this is true. Thanks.

That is completely true.

Late in 2007, Subaru Canada had some real issues justifying why Canadians were paying upwards of $15,000 more for the exact car in Canada. Thanks partly to me, they were getting bad press about this here in Canada. I appeared on national news outlets in Canada (CTV National news, CP24, CTV News Channel, Globe & Mail) pointing out this disparity and how I saved $18,000 in 2007 buying in the US.

From what I understand, they tried to stop cross-border sales but Fuji (the parent company) was happy to sell Subarus so didn't stop the sales. Instead, they took away the incentives to the US dealers who sold particular vehicles to Canadians. Essentially, the US dealership made a profit on the sale but the sale did not apply towards their internal sales initiatives.

I have a copy of a letter sent by Subaru America's Chairman Tomohiko Ikeda dated December 3, 2007 and sent to all their retailers in the US outlining the new rules.

Price disparity in Canada gradually got closer but you can still get most loaded Subarus in the US for about $10k less.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I've decided to take the plunge into buying a 2012 Subaru Forester from the States.

I need exchange $28000 Cdn or so into $US and was wondering what FOREX site people like to use that gives the best exchange rates/lowest fees.

Ideally I'd like to:

Send $28000 Cdn -> Forex Site -> convert to $US -> send back to my $US bank account.

I used an XEtrade Forex account.

Essentially I set up a US account with my favourite bank then I log into my XEtrade account and transfer cash from my Canadian account right into my US account.

There is NO charge to do that. XEtrade and other Forex companies make their cash on collecting minor spread differences.

My spread is $45 for every $10,000 transferred and your exact spread can vary based on a number of factors but in the end, the spread is WAY WAY WAY lower than any bank or other institution.

Most of my friends and family quickly realized this and set up their own Forex accounts.

I was also able to electronically send a chunk of the cash to the dealer - at no charge.

Chartered banks are charging you around 1.5 - 3% or more spreads. They also decide what the current exchange rate is based on whatever provides more cash. If the dollar closed low yesterday, they'll use that as a guage. If it closed high and dropped in the morning, they'll use the newer rate. My bank wouldn't commit on a spread until I committed the cash! Nice eh?

If my math is correct, using a chartered bank equates to $150 - $300 per $10k plus they will charge you to transfer the cash.

[RJones89]

I'm considering buying an Audi from the US, but am under the impression that most dealers will not sell to Canadians. I was wondering if I could avoid the issue by having the car shipped to my US address with an in-transit permit on the car. That way the US dealer can say they shipped the car within the US. Does anyone know if I would have any issues importing at the border if the bill of sale was under my name, but had a US address on it?

Thanks

[Deemo]

you know you have to pay extra 6.1% duty when you bring a forester to Canada because it's made in Japan? Lots of people go with Outback or Tribeca because they're assembled in US, no duty.

Bahhhhh... Thanks for that little tidbit.

With a short supply of Outbacks I was considering a Forester..... but not now!

[Deemo]

Hi,
I am buying a Subaru Forester from Seattle and I would like to rent UHaul pickup and trailer to tow it back to Vancouver. I know if I drive the car itself back to Canada, I would need a temp driving permit. However, I am thinking of towing the car. Do I still need a temp driving permit? Or is there any other thing I should be aware of by towing a car in WA and crossing the boarder? Thank you for the help!

Dude...just drive it back. I have done that route twice already.

Beofre you go get your insurance lined up with the VIn and the temp permit can be lined up by the dealer or yourself at the DMV.
It's like $25 for 3 days or so and no big deal.

I didn't even bother on my first private purchase but the second the dealer sort of wanted me to have it.

[phlegm2]

Hi Phlegm2
*wanted to know which dealer sold you the 2012 volvo - if tried to contact a few in Penn & Ohio, and nobody bothers to get back to me re: selling to a CDN
*were daytime running lights already active on yours? If I buy from FLA, and drive it over, I would have to get that fixed...
*hope to read you soon!

Sorry for the delay - I couldn't hit this site for a few days.

I'll PM you the dealer details.

Yes, daytime running lights are active on most new vehicles sold in the US. This was the case for my Volvos - no modifications were necessary to pass inspection.

[phlegm2]

Question to phlegm2: Can you bypass volvo canada dealer inspection like when buying a BMW or MB?

Yes you can "bypass" the Volvo Canada inspection. I didn't do it on either of my 2 imports (2009, 2012). Not sure how much they'd charge for the "inspection", but given that no modifications are necessary, it amounts to a cash grab by Volvo Canada.

Part of the confusion has to do with the RIV website, and the Transport Canada admissibility details they link to. This is not unique to Volvo, but in this case it states "...Volvo Canada informed Transport Canada that ALL modifications MUST be performed by an authorized Canadian Volvo dealership and must be completed before a recall clearance letter can be issued by Volvo Canada...."

So, Volvo Canada won't issue you a recall clearance letter until you pay for the unnecessary/imaginary inspection. Good news is that in addition to a recall clearance letter from Volvo Canada, the RIV will accept a service record from a Volvo dealer's database. So, when purchasing at the US dealer, simply have them run a check against the VIN, and print it out. (I also have them write on their dealership letterhead that "vehicle [X], with VIN [#####] has no outstanding recalls.) This was accepted by the RIV in both cases, and was enough for them to release the inspection form.

So, to sum it up: you do not have to pay for the recall clearance letter from Volvo Canada (via that fake inspection) and the car should pass the Canadian Tire inspection without any modifications. (Just ensure you have the digital display in the middle of the tachometer set to display "current speed" in km/h.)

[Ghost_Rider]

I plan on bringing a used car / private sale up from North Carolina. I intend to drive it back through 2-3 states to Canada.
To my knowledge North Carolina doesn't provide temporary license plate permits.* well maybe to dealers?- won't work in my case. How do i go about "legally driving it to canada">?
can i get ontario TEMPORARY VEHICLE REGISTRATION OR SPECIAL PERMIT.?
Can I get it just by giving them name of current owner and VIN?

on the website it says:


To apply for a Special Permit take the following items to any ServiceOntario Driver and Vehicle Licence Issuing Office:

A completed Application for Special Permit
The original fit vehicle permit/or NVIS;
If the permit is not registered in your name ensure that the back of the permit is completed and signed by the previous owner (a Bill of Sale can be used for supporting documentation from the person named on the permit); and
Name of your insurance company and policy number for the vehicle must be included on the application form.
If the vehicle is being imported from outside of Canada, then a Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV) Form 1 with both stamps must be provided. This ensures that the vehicle meets the Federal inspection requirements. ??
For out-of-province and out-of-country clients, acceptable identification documents must be presented, for example: a Canadian or US passport; or a Canadian/US birth certificate in combination with a Canadian/US driver’s licence or identity card.

Doesn't look like it allows you to get that permit without the vehicle being physically in canada..
Does any one have an experience with that kind of a situation.?

[Monsieurmaggot]

I plan on bringing a used car / private sale up from North Carolina. I intend to drive it back through 2-3 states to Canada.
To my knowledge North Carolina doesn't provide temporary license plate permits.* well maybe to dealers?- won't work in my case. How do i go about "legally driving it to canada">?
can i get ontario TEMPORARY VEHICLE REGISTRATION OR SPECIAL PERMIT.?
Can I get it just by giving them name of current owner and VIN?

on the website it says:


To apply for a Special Permit take the following items to any ServiceOntario Driver and Vehicle Licence Issuing Office:

A completed Application for Special Permit
The original fit vehicle permit/or NVIS;
If the permit is not registered in your name ensure that the back of the permit is completed and signed by the previous owner (a Bill of Sale can be used for supporting documentation from the person named on the permit); and
Name of your insurance company and policy number for the vehicle must be included on the application form.
If the vehicle is being imported from outside of Canada, then a Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV) Form 1 with both stamps must be provided. This ensures that the vehicle meets the Federal inspection requirements. ??
For out-of-province and out-of-country clients, acceptable identification documents must be presented, for example: a Canadian or US passport; or a Canadian/US birth certificate in combination with a Canadian/US driver’s licence or identity card.

Doesn't look like it allows you to get that permit without the vehicle being physically in canada..
Does any one have an experience with that kind of a situation.?

It really varies from MTO office to office. If you walk in and tell them you bought a new car and need a transit permit, usually they'll just ask for the VIN or bill of sale and proof of insurance. I certainly didn't have to provide any RIV forms until I was ready to license the vehicle.

Remember once you pass the federal inspection, you don't need to register the vehicle - not that you'd do that but theoretically, you can have it sit in your driveway forever.

[michelb]

It really varies from MTO office to office. If you walk in and tell them you bought a new car and need a transit permit, usually they'll just ask for the VIN or bill of sale and proof of insurance. I certainly didn't have to provide any RIV forms until I was ready to license the vehicle.

Remember once you pass the federal inspection, you don't need to register the vehicle - not that you'd do that but theoretically, you can have it sit in your driveway forever.

If anyone else has any recent experience please let us know but I was under the impression that you couldn't get an Ontario temp permit until the vehicle was in Canada (because you need a Form1 stamped by CT before they'll give it to you - this was stated very explicitely by my local MoT office but other offices might be more lax). I was also under the impression that you could only get a temporary permit AFTER you register the vehicle in your name (but I didn't confirm this) - if that's the case, this would also prevent you from getting temp permit until it's in Ontario.

--- Update ---

According to info I found here http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/temp.shtml, the vehicle does have to be registered before they'll issue a temp permit.

However looking at that site, they do list a 'special permit' which might be available for vehicles in the US. I've never actually heard of this permit before but it sounds like it might work.

--- Update 2 ---

Never mind the 'special permit', says right there that for vehicles imported into Canada, a Form1 with both stamps must be provided (which means the vehicle has to already have been imported into Canada).

[Ghost_Rider]

I think best bet would be to walk in and give it a try at the MTO office...
Have to work out the deal with the car first...
btw.
I know for a fact that in Manitoba, they allow you to get Manitoba temp license plate sticker to bring a car back to canada.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I think best bet would be to walk in and give it a try at the MTO office...
Have to work out the deal with the car first...
btw.
I know for a fact that in Manitoba, they allow you to get Manitoba temp license plate sticker to bring a car back to canada.

Alternately you can simply bypass getting an Ontario Temporary Transit permit.

Lots of folks are using the American transit permits and have had no issues whatsoever.

The MTO wants to make it harder, they just lose out that way.

[Ghost_Rider]

Alternately you can simply bypass getting an Ontario Temporary Transit permit.

Lots of folks are using the American transit permits and have had no issues whatsoever.

The MTO wants to make it harder, they just lose out that way.

can a non-us citizen get an American transit permit? where would i go about getting it, DMV?

[chris_iginla]

Has anyone checked out recently difference between Subaru Outback 2012 in USA & Canada?

I'm thinking of getting one in Great Falls or Billings, Montana.

Has anyone used Bennets (Great Falls) or Rimrock (Billings)?

Interestingly, Bennets states on their dealer website that they cannot sell new vehicles to Canadians, but Rimrock says they can. Comments?

Any further thoughts appreciated.

As well, any issues with warranty work when bringing back to Canada (Calgary, in my case)?

[Monsieurmaggot]

can a non-us citizen get an American transit permit? where would i go about getting it, DMV?

In NY state, the dealer won't let you leave the lot without one.

It's part of a $75 DMV transit and State sales registering requirement.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Has anyone checked out recently difference between Subaru Outback 2012 in USA & Canada?

I'm thinking of getting one in Great Falls or Billings, Montana.

Has anyone used Bennets (Great Falls) or Rimrock (Billings)?

Interestingly, Bennets states on their dealer website that they cannot sell new vehicles to Canadians, but Rimrock says they can. Comments?

Any further thoughts appreciated.

As well, any issues with warranty work when bringing back to Canada (Calgary, in my case)?

Depending on the options, you're still going to save about $8000 buying in the US.

If Bennets chooses not to sell to Canadians, that's their prerogative. It's certainly not a corporate decision. FUJI Heavy Industries (Subaru's parent company) has no issues with US Subarus being sold to Canadians. The US dealership only loses their internal incentives credit (but still make a profit). Some dealers are adding $250 - $750 surcharges to Canadian sales.

Warranties are completely covered on Subarus. You simply pay for the repair and submit the receipt to the US home office. In many cases, somr Canadian dealerships will do it for you.

[kamran]

Starting to research and contact dealers but I am stuck. Found a new car at a Toyota dealer in NC, but they will not sell unless it can be registered - and require a US address. What are my options?

[kingiii]

I am planning to get a 2012 Sienna from US, anyone here knows any dealers that willing to sell to Canadian? please send me a pm, thanks for the help.

[phlegm2]

Starting to research and contact dealers but I am stuck. Found a new car at a Toyota dealer in NC, but they will not sell unless it can be registered - and require a US address. What are my options?

Some manufacturers prevent selling new to Canadians to put up barriers. GMC uses this tactic, and I'm pretty sure Toyota does too. Your options are:

1. Have a US citizen buy on your behalf and sell to you. This is complicated, and you likely have to pay state tax, so not ideal.
2. Buy a low mileage used vehicle from the dealer. There shouldn't be any restrictions on them, and I've seen some surprisingly low mileage vehicles offered as "used" by GMC dealers, which is interesting.
3. Use a broker, like Mr. Mahew in this forum, who has he ability to get a new vehicle for you.

[michelb]

can a non-us citizen get an American transit permit? where would i go about getting it, DMV?

Depends on the state. I believe most do (although it seems more and more require you to pay state tax on the vehicle if you get one (e.g. CA, AZ, FL, ...)) however some will only sell them to US residents (Found out the hard way that Arkansas will NOT sell you an temp / in-transit permit if you do not have a US driver's license).

[jijiwiwi]

mark it

[DWinSask]

Depends on the state. I believe most do (although it seems more and more require you to pay state tax on the vehicle if you get one (e.g. CA, AZ, FL, ...)) however some will only sell them to US residents (Found out the hard way that Arkansas will NOT sell you an temp / in-transit permit if you do not have a US driver's license).

What would be the policy for GM on selling to a US citizen who's a non-US resident? My wife's a dual citizen, and Montana has no state sales tax, so we wouldn't have to worry about tax. I'd definitely like to be able to transfer the warranty, but I don't think the warranty is worth the $10,000 difference between a $47,500 2012 Acadia SLE1 AWD at Wheaton in Saskatoon and a $36,100 2012 Acadia SLE1 AWD at Rimrock in Billings, MT.

[phlegm2]

What would be the policy for GM on selling to a US citizen who's a non-US resident? My wife's a dual citizen, and Montana has no state sales tax, so we wouldn't have to worry about tax. I'd definitely like to be able to transfer the warranty, but I don't think the warranty is worth the $10,000 difference between a $47,500 2012 Acadia SLE1 AWD at Wheaton in Saskatoon and a $36,100 2012 Acadia SLE1 AWD at Rimrock in Billings, MT.

That's a nice price difference.

I think it boils down to the address. Why wouldn't all US citizens drive to MT or another non-taxed state to buy big-ticket items? I assume there has to be an address validation somehow.

My take (and others will know more) is that the MT dealer will need an address in order to register the vehicle. My guess is that unless you have an MT address, you might be hit with state tax. If you have no US address at all, then I think you're out of luck.

BTW, be aware of GM's warranty policy on imported vehilcles - you need to wait 6 months and 12,000 KM before they'll honour the warranty in Canada. (Just another barrier from GM.)

[mtl_cheapo]

Starting to research and contact dealers but I am stuck. Found a new car at a Toyota dealer in NC, but they will not sell unless it can be registered - and require a US address. What are my options?

i would highly suggest buying a 2012 with low mileage.... i was able to get a 2011 sienna last year (september) with only 4,000 miles on it. and since it was a certified used, it came with an extended warranty.

the only problem is that you may have to wait a few more months before you can get a 2012 car with a few thousand miles on it.

[Ghost_Rider]

In NY state, the dealer won't let you leave the lot without one.

It's part of a $75 DMV transit and State sales registering requirement.

The car i am planning on bringing in, is from North Carolina.
It is a private sale... So there is no dealer in my scenario.
I tried to get the special permit at the MTO, but was turned down, due to a requirement of having the car in canada (form 1 and 2 RIV)...
Any advice? other than having it shipped?

[smacd]

Contact the DMV in North Carolina and ask them what to do.

[michelb]

The car i am planning on bringing in, is from North Carolina.
It is a private sale... So there is no dealer in my scenario.
I tried to get the special permit at the MTO, but was turned down, due to a requirement of having the car in canada (form 1 and 2 RIV)...
Any advice? other than having it shipped?

Call the NC DMV to confirm but from what I can see they don't do temp permits (they allow people to use their old plate on new vehicles but that doesn't help you). Your only choices might be to have the vehicle shipped, to register it in NC to get an actual plate or to drive it without any plates.

[jmgk]

So I'm looking into getting a new car and looking into prices and what not.

I am wondering about importing a Subaru WRX. I know that it should not be a problem and to follow all the instructions in post #1. There should be a 6.1% import fee. My question is do you have to pay close to MSRP for the vehicles in the states? I know if I were buying in Canada I would find the invoice number in a car cost report and work from there, but if I buy in the US do I have the ability to negotiate price? By what percentage do you think? Is there a good website to look at?

Thanks!

[phlegm2]

Call the NC DMV to confirm but from what I can see they don't do temp permits (they allow people to use their old plate on new vehicles but that doesn't help you). Your only choices might be to have the vehicle shipped, to register it in NC to get an actual plate or to drive it without any plates.

I can't speak to the private sale situation, but when I purchased a GMC in Hickory, NC, the dealer provided us with temp plates.

[rjmbc]

Call the NC DMV to confirm but from what I can see they don't do temp permits (they allow people to use their old plate on new vehicles but that doesn't help you). Your only choices might be to have the vehicle shipped, to register it in NC to get an actual plate or to drive it without any plates.

Based on my experience with vehicles registered in Alaska, where the plates stay with the vehicle rather than the owner, you can use these plates to transport the vehicle to Canada, as long as you are within the time frame that the state allows. In Alaska case that is 30 days, NC might be different.

Canadian Customs did not seem to worry about the Alaska plates on the vehicles I imported.

[Ghost_Rider]

Based on my experience with vehicles registered in Alaska, where the plates stay with the vehicle rather than the owner, you can use these plates to transport the vehicle to Canada, as long as you are within the time frame that the state allows. In Alaska case that is 30 days, NC might be different.

Canadian Customs did not seem to worry about the Alaska plates on the vehicles I imported.

Unfortunately plates in NC work the same as in ontario... they stay with the owner, he has to return them to DMV..

[bhujan]

Hello,
I would like to first of all thank everybody who has added and put information in this thread to help Canadians save money on their new/used car purchase. I wanted to go through the process and ask for any information that I might be missing.

So far these are the things I am trying to figure out:

1) Has anybody bought a used vehicle site unseen(just the pics on Autotrader) and how did it turn out, any recommendations on what to look out for?
2) Dealer will provide Brand History(is this the carfax report?), Recall Letter and Bill of Sale
- Is there any other documentation that I would need from the dealer for both US and Canadian Customs?
3) Is there specific things or items(checklist) beyond confirming the car histroy/features I should be asking the dealer before I make the purchase?
4) Is there a reasonable discount I should be expecting for doing a cash deal? If yes how much should I look to bargain?
5) I wanted to get names of recommended importers that people have used in the past and how much should I expect to pay to get the car from Chicago area to Toronto?
6) What are the costs in Canada to be able to register and drive the car?
7) Anyone had dealings with Naperville Toyota in IL? your feedback over PM would be appreciated.

Once again any help would be appreciated as it is my first time trying importing a car.

Please feel free to PM me with answers.

B

[nbabe1]

Hello,
I would like to first of all thank everybody who has added and put information in this thread to help Canadians save money on their new/used car purchase. I wanted to go through the process and ask for any information that I might be missing.

So far these are the things I am trying to figure out:

1) Has anybody bought a used vehicle site unseen(just the pics on Autotrader) and how did it turn out, any recommendations on what to look out for?
2) Dealer will provide Brand History(is this the carfax report?), Recall Letter and Bill of Sale
- Is there any other documentation that I would need from the dealer for both US and Canadian Customs?
3) Is there specific things or items(checklist) beyond confirming the car histroy/features I should be asking the dealer before I make the purchase?
4) Is there a reasonable discount I should be expecting for doing a cash deal? If yes how much should I look to bargain?
5) I wanted to get names of recommended importers that people have used in the past and how much should I expect to pay to get the car from Chicago area to Toronto?
6) What are the costs in Canada to be able to register and drive the car?
7) Anyone had dealings with Naperville Toyota in IL? your feedback over PM would be appreciated.

Once again any help would be appreciated as it is my first time trying importing a car.

Please feel free to PM me with answers.

B

Ill answer as much I can. I bought a van in florida. within 20 miles it caught on fire (yeah no kidding) I had bought it on ebay based on the cescrition and pics. Let me tell you that I wouldnt suggest you do like I did. before you pay make sure you saw it. Nowadays people are Scu*****. cant trust a picture no more.

Id ask for carfax and make sure they ahve a CLEAR title in hand. You might not be able to import it without it. You ll have to pay taxes (both) based on THEIR value (black book) so it might be more then what you actually pay.
Frankly unless its a steal I wouldnt do it again. So many things can go wrong...

[petaling108]

Ill answer as much I can. I bought a van in florida. within 20 miles it caught on fire (yeah no kidding) I had bought it on ebay based on the cescrition and pics. Let me tell you that I wouldnt suggest you do like I did. before you pay make sure you saw it. Nowadays people are Scu*****. cant trust a picture no more.

Id ask for carfax and make sure they ahve a CLEAR title in hand. You might not be able to import it without it. You ll have to pay taxes (both) based on THEIR value (black book) so it might be more then what you actually pay.
Frankly unless its a steal I wouldnt do it again. So many things can go wrong...

did you ask and pay for a third party independent inspection service?prior to buying it sight unseen?

[wilddog]

I imported my 2010 Lancer Evolution last year from the states and saved about $15,000

Will be looking for a Nissan GTR sometime next year in the US.

Until the dollar parity drops, I wont be buying any cars in Canada. Plus the importing process is so Easy.

[phlegm2]

Hello,
I would like to first of all thank everybody who has added and put information in this thread to help Canadians save money on their new/used car purchase. I wanted to go through the process and ask for any information that I might be missing.

So far these are the things I am trying to figure out:

1) Has anybody bought a used vehicle site unseen(just the pics on Autotrader) and how did it turn out, any recommendations on what to look out for?
2) Dealer will provide Brand History(is this the carfax report?), Recall Letter and Bill of Sale
- Is there any other documentation that I would need from the dealer for both US and Canadian Customs?
3) Is there specific things or items(checklist) beyond confirming the car histroy/features I should be asking the dealer before I make the purchase?
4) Is there a reasonable discount I should be expecting for doing a cash deal? If yes how much should I look to bargain?
5) I wanted to get names of recommended importers that people have used in the past and how much should I expect to pay to get the car from Chicago area to Toronto?
6) What are the costs in Canada to be able to register and drive the car?
7) Anyone had dealings with Naperville Toyota in IL? your feedback over PM would be appreciated.

Once again any help would be appreciated as it is my first time trying importing a car.

Please feel free to PM me with answers.

B

1) I would not buy privately from photos only. Even with a dealer, I always like to inspect the vehicle myself before finalizing the deal. I pay via bank draft, and don't pay until I see the vehicle. (There is much debate on bank drafts, and the legality of bringing them across the border - see the threads on the topic, and if in doubt consult a lawyer.)
2) Brand history (confirm not salvage/severely damaged) is not something you require for a vehicle sale for own use. Perhaps you need it to import a "junker", but wasn't needed for importation on my vehicles. Also note the dealer doesn't provide a "recall clearance letter", the manufacturer typically would via their head office. However, the RIV will accept a printout against the dealer's service database to confirm no recalls instead of a "recall clearance letter". In addition to the Bill of Sale you mention, you will also need the Certificate of Ownership, aka title/CO/MSO.
3) I would check to see if there are any Canadian-specific settings they can do for you at the US dealership. For example, GMC Yukons in the US can turn off daytime running lights. I had the US dealer update the firmware for free, to comply with Canadian standards.
4) Can't advise on that - you'll have to sort that yourself.
5) Try Mr. Mahew in this forum. While I didn't wind up using his services, his quote was reasonable, and he was very responsive. He can also likely get you a new car, even when US dealers won't sell new cars to Canadians.
6) RIV fee ($200). 6.1% duty, if vehicle not made/assembled according to NAFTA guidelines. GST at Canadian border. PST when you register the car. Cost of any modfications to meet Canadian compliance. Maybe, in Ontario, the cost of a safety inspection - some debate on whether you need this or not, but I've always been asked for it - even on 2 new vehicles.
7) N/A

[clsl]

Hi,
I recently imported a 2012 Subaru forester. After couple days of driving it, I started to hear a high frequency, pitched noise from the rear of the car. It is not loud but it is quit annoying. There was no this kind of noise on the first couple days of driving it.

This car is quite new and only have 300 miles on it. I would like take it to Canadian dealer to diagnosis the issue.

My question is if the noise is determined as normal by Canadian Subaru technician and I will be charged $100 for inspection fee, Will Subaru USA reimburse the inspection fee when I submit the receipt?

Thanks

[phlegm2]

Hi,
I recently imported a 2012 Subaru forester. After couple days of driving it, I started to hear a high frequency, pitched noise from the rear of the car. It is not loud but it is quit annoying. There was no this kind of noise on the first couple days of driving it.

This car is quite new and only have 300 miles on it. I would like take it to Canadian dealer to diagnosis the issue.

My question is if the noise is determined as normal by Canadian Subaru technician and I will be charged $100 for inspection fee, Will Subaru USA reimburse the inspection fee when I submit the receipt?

Thanks
I've seen this before. Your wife is probably in the back seat. Sadly, Subaru will not reimburse you for this issue.

[petaling108]

:d
i've seen this before. Your wife is probably in the back seat. Sadly, subaru will not reimburse you for this issue.

[dealcatcher]

I've seen this before. Your wife is probably in the back seat. Sadly, Subaru will not reimburse you for this issue.

I have the same problem too, just tell your wife / baby to keep quiet, then the problem is solved. I checked with subaru, the Warranty doesn't cover this issue but you can contact BBB to see if they can help you to get reimbursement thru Subaru USA

[Anday3]

Does anyone have experience with getting an amerifriend to purchase the car and "selling" it to you so you can import it to Canada? Can my amerifriend lease/finance the car and immediately switch the ownership to me? Or are there legal issues that prevent someone from doing that or the RIV not allowing a car like that to be imported? Thanks!

[smacd]

Does anyone have experience with getting an amerifriend to purchase the car and "selling" it to you so you can import it to Canada? Can my amerifriend lease/finance the car and immediately switch the ownership to me? Or are there legal issues that prevent someone from doing that or the RIV not allowing a car like that to be imported? Thanks!

Your friend can buy and sell it to you immediately, however, some manufacturers will either void or delay warranty coverage if the car doesn't spend 6 months in the US. If the car is bought & sold in a tax state (vs tax-free) you may have to pay sales tax twice in the US as well as when you get it home. Leasing/financing will likely be out of the question.

[Anday3]

Your friend can buy and sell it to you immediately, however, some manufacturers will either void or delay warranty coverage if the car doesn't spend 6 months in the US. If the car is bought & sold in a tax state (vs tax-free) you may have to pay sales tax twice in the US as well as when you get it home. Leasing/financing will likely be out of the question.

Hm, thanks smacd, I will most likely be going down to Oregon to purchase the car (no sales tax). Since you said leasing/financing prob won't work.. then I probably won't buy a car down there then. Theres no way I can pay for the whole car with cash up front. I was hoping my amerifriend can lease/finance it for me and I'll just pay her back every month for the amount. Any other suggestions?

[smacd]

That's quite a friend!! Canadian banks will finance an American bought car, but bank rates are much higher than dealer rates.

[JWL]

Hm, thanks smacd, I will most likely be going down to Oregon to purchase the car (no sales tax). Since you said leasing/financing prob won't work.. then I probably won't buy a car down there then. Theres no way I can pay for the whole car with cash up front. I was hoping my amerifriend can lease/finance it for me and I'll just pay her back every month for the amount. Any other suggestions?

I don't think you'll be able to export the car if it has a lease/loan against it in the US.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I don't think you'll be able to export the car if it has a lease/loan against it in the US.

That's right. When a lien it placed on the car, it won't clear US Customs; but then again, you can import the car to Canada and bypass US Customs entirely. You might be able to register the vehicle in Canada and save yourself thousands of dollars more since you won't be required to make any more car payments. The lien-holder won't be able to collect payment or repossess the vehicle when it's in Canada.

You can stop making payments and simply saddle your American friend with them. If they don't make the payments, they're the ones who will suffer the credit damage. You can save a ton of cash and with all that cash you can get more friends!

Of course I'm just kidding <or am I?>

[Mr. Mayhew]

Hm, thanks smacd, I will most likely be going down to Oregon to purchase the car (no sales tax). Since you said leasing/financing prob won't work.. then I probably won't buy a car down there then. Theres no way I can pay for the whole car with cash up front. I was hoping my amerifriend can lease/finance it for me and I'll just pay her back every month for the amount. Any other suggestions?

If you need to lease or finance a US car, this is possible. Send me a PM.

[clsl]

I have the same problem too, just tell your wife / baby to keep quiet, then the problem is solved. I checked with subaru, the Warranty doesn't cover this issue but you can contact BBB to see if they can help you to get reimbursement thru Subaru USA

The problem is that I am single. It must be ghost or something unknown. A little bird told me that it was a graveyard where the dealer is now.

Actually, I got an email from Subaru USA and it stated that Subaru USA will reimburse the diagnosis cost. However, before I got this email, I phoned Subaru USA and I got no reimbursement on the diagnosis cost.

I guess they don't have a firm policy. I will take my car to Canadian dealer and get the cost reimbursed since I have a written proof.

[Anday3]

I don't think you'll be able to export the car if it has a lease/loan against it in the US.

Thanks for the reply. I guess I will have to figure something else out then =/

[phlegm2]

I don't think you'll be able to export the car if it has a lease/loan against it in the US.


Thanks for the reply. I guess I will have to figure something else out then =/

I don't know the details of your situation Anday, but you could still consider Canadian financing. As "smacd" mentioned, car loan rates from a bank will be worse than special dealer rates, but I'd be weighing the extra financing cost against potential price savings in the US.

Let's say you save $5,000 on the purchase price in the US, which should be pretty easy to do. How much more is Canadian financing costing you over US financing from your American friend? You'd still have to be saving quite a bit.

I would not rule out Canadian-based financing since you can still come out well ahead.

[jmatheson64]

Interested in one day importing an old truck (1987-1999) as a project. Thanks for the info, it appears it will cost very little to do so given the old age. Used prices for these things in Halifax are ridiculous, and the salt destroys frames for old vehicles anyway. Noticing a lot of "Florida" trucks being sold here, so it appears this is becoming common.

Any suggestions on a used car site in Florida/Maine?

[smacd]

Any suggestions on a used car site in Florida/Maine?

Go to www.autotrader.com (not .ca) and put the zip code in from the area you're interested. As an aside, if you buy from Florida and drive away, you have to pay Florida sales tax. The only way around it is to ship it across state lines.

[clsl]

I have successfully imported a new Subaru forester into Canada. Special thank to Monsieurmaggot and rjmbc. Of course, thank everyone who had helped me in this forum.

I would like to share my experience on how easy the process was and my case is specific in a brand new car and has the car registered in BC. The import/export process is extremely easy but it is a little more extra work to register the car in BC (ICBC) since most of autoplan agents do not have enough knowledge to register an imported car.

I will skip the story between me and dealer since it is case by case.

Before you decide to do any import, email BLAINE-OFOEXPORT@dhs.gov for more information. They will email you back very soon with two attachments, which details the export process.
You will need:
1. Manufactures Statement of Origin, (MSO) or a Certificate of Origin (Since I bought a brand new car)
2. Invoice/Bill of sale
3. Worksheet (The second attachment from Blaine border email)

Also, you need to ask for a recall clearance letter from the dealer. I talked to RIV and they have an open website, which they can check Subaru recall history. Just give RIV the VIN and they will check it for you if you do not have the recall clearance letter.

Scan and email the above docs to BLAINE-OFOEXPORT@dhs.gov, meanwhile, scan and email the recall clearance letter to RIV at recall@support.riv.ca. It will speed up the process.

Insurance:
WA Dealer will give you three day driving permit and you will need to purchase Binder insurance from ICBC if you are driving the car back to Canada.

On the day you import/export:
Go to US custom with all original documents. It takes about 5 minutes to export. Then go to Canadian Custom and pay tax and you will get form1 from Canadian Custom. You do not pay RIV fee at Canadian border. There is a RIV office located close to Blaine-Pacific border.

Pay your RIV fee at
RIV Pacific Highway Office
17735 1st Avenue
1st Floor
Surrey, BC

By the time you get home with your new car, form2 is ready for you online if you already email recall letter to RIV few days ago. You just need to print it out and go to Canadian tire for federal inspection.

It takes about 15 minutes to do the federal inspection. Then you can go to autoplan agent to register your car. Basically, you can complete everything in one day.

If you buy a brand new car directly from dealer, you do not need to the provincial inspection, which costs you $120+tax. Canadian tire staff will tell you that you need to it no matter it is new or old car. Just ignore them and ask them to do only the federal inspection, which is covered in RIV fee you paid earlier.

Unfortunately, most of autoplan agents do not know that if the car is a brand new and UNREGISTERED, it is not required the provincial inspection form to have the car registered in BC. I had to phone ICBC and autoplan agents to find out those who know the policy. Luckily, I was able to find one after many calls to ICBC and autoplan agents.

If your car is bought via your American friend or company, you will need to do the provincial inspection even if your car is driven only for 20 miles. You need to have an UNREGISTERED car to skip the provincial inspection.

Hope my experience will be helpful.

[p110232]

slightly out of topic, but since RFDers are saving money on US bought cars, why not invest in a dash cam* (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/blackvue-dr400g-hd-dash-cam-group-buy-1142383/) to protect you from this situation* (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/reason-why-you-need-dashcam-pt-2-a-1142756/)

*[both links are currently trending in RFD]

[phlegm2]

If you buy a brand new car directly from dealer, you do not need to the provincial inspection, which costs you $120+tax. Canadian tire staff will tell you that you need to it no matter it is new or old car. Just ignore them and ask them to do only the federal inspection, which is covered in RIV fee you paid earlier.

Great message clsl!

I also ran into the problem you mention in Ontario, forcing me to get the second inspection. I still don't think it is required, but could not find anyone at MTO to agree, so I gave in.

[Chris03]

Hi

Anyone imported a 2010/12 Challenger...I know about the no warranty...can I take it back to the USA for repairs? or do they axe that as well.

Also what is this Electronic Immobilizer System....do all Challengers come with this? I have read...it's a must when importing into Canada.

I see some big saving for a used RT/SRT model.

Thanks
Chris

[Mr. Mayhew]

Hi

Anyone imported a 2010/12 Challenger...I know about the no warranty...can I take it back to the USA for repairs? or do they axe that as well.

Also what is this Electronic Immobilizer System....do all Challengers come with this? I have read...it's a must when importing into Canada.

I see some big saving for a used RT/SRT model.

Thanks
Chris

They will have EIS, however they will not be covered under warranty on either side of the border. Simply purchase a 3rd party warranty and you are golden!

[Chris03]

They will have EIS, however they will not be covered under warranty on either side of the border. Simply purchase a 3rd party warranty and you are golden!

Thanks for the info Mr. Mayhew. just what I was looking for.

A 3rd party warranty....I'll to check into to that....any tips or do you recommend anyone?

Thanks
Chris

[careh]

Does anyone know of a web page or other source where the state tax rules for all states for cars being exported to Canada is listed?
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I contacted Missouri & they said there is no sales tax on cars exported. Their reply was:

Thank you for your e-mail inquiry to the Missouri Department of Revenue.

If you purchase a vehicle from Missouri you will not pay sales tax in Missouri, unless you are a Missouri resident; regardless of if you purchase the unit from a dealer or individual.
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California and Florida (told to me via a dealer and on some posts I saw on this and other forums) says there is state tax payable unless the vehicle is shipped out of state (meaning you can't pick it up at the dealer and drive it home but you can pay to have it shipped to the Canadian border).
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I believe there are some other states that do not charge sales tax on vehicle purchases by out of state residents when the vehicle is being exported out of the state.

[smacd]

Out of state does not mean to the Canadian border. You just have to ship it across state lines.

[phlegm2]

Does anyone know of a web page or other source where the state tax rules for all states for cars being exported to Canada is listed?
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I believe there are some other states that do not charge sales tax on vehicle purchases by out of state residents when the vehicle is being exported out of the state.

This question comes up a lot. I know MonsieurMaggot mentions it is on his web page, but I can't find a section on his site. (?)

In any event, I've dealt with both Pennsylvania and N. Carolina, and neither dealer needed to collect state tax, so add that to your list.

[careh]

Out of state does not mean to the Canadian border. You just have to ship it across state lines.

Yes actually I heard that about California - about shipping it into Arizona (maybe by having the dealer drive it there) then you take delivery there.

[petaling108]

Does anyone know of a web page or other source where the state tax rules for all states for cars being exported to Canada is listed?
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I contacted Missouri & they said there is no sales tax on cars exported. Their reply was:

Thank you for your e-mail inquiry to the Missouri Department of Revenue.

If you purchase a vehicle from Missouri you will not pay sales tax in Missouri, unless you are a Missouri resident; regardless of if you purchase the unit from a dealer or individual.
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California and Florida (told to me via a dealer and on some posts I saw on this and other forums) says there is state tax payable unless the vehicle is shipped out of state (meaning you can't pick it up at the dealer and drive it home but you can pay to have it shipped to the Canadian border).
thanks for sharing this info




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I believe there are some other states that do not charge sales tax on vehicle purchases by out of state residents when the vehicle is being exported out of the state.

I am planning to trade in a californian car for a higher-end car when I finish my studies/training in the Us.However, California make you pay tax not on the New minus trade-in value but the full new car value eg on a 40,000 car with a 10,000 trade in you pay approx 10% tax on the $40000 not on $30000
As I plan on driving back to Toronto with a new car,Phlegm2 suggested one dealer in PA which does not charge sales tax.However,PA is out of the routing from CA to TO.so Missouri may come in handy. Drive old California car to trade in there and drive new car home.
I tried Oregon dealers in a state that supposedly has No sales tax on car,which essentially told me if I use my Californian address,they will charge CA tax.
If I give Canadian address,they cant sell new to me. only used car and on top of that they have to charge me Canadian tax(I dont know how they are going to submit this tax to the CAnadian govt for me,how do I tell the Canadian Border or the provincial sales tax people,seems like a cock and bull story to me)

Any Canadian bought from no-sales-tax dealer please PM me or advise on this forumThanks

[teakvahead]

Great message clsl!

I also ran into the problem you mention in Ontario, forcing me to get the second inspection. I still don't think it is required, but could not find anyone at MTO to agree, so I gave in.

I'm having the same problem with MTO today. Theyre wrong and the info is on their website http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/rgoutcan.shtml. i imported an impreza 2010 no problems, im assuming its just untrained staff this time around. im going to try calling in on tuesday and going to the kennedy/lawrence office to registar as that one was ok with it last time. you should complain those idiots cost you, they're trying to insist i need safety and etest. i have a brandnew outback PZEV.

[phlegm2]

I tried Oregon dealers in a state that supposedly has No sales tax on car,which essentially told me if I use my Californian address,they will charge CA tax.
If I give Canadian address,they cant sell new to me. only used car and on top of that they have to charge me Canadian tax(I dont know how they are going to submit this tax to the CAnadian govt for me,how do I tell the Canadian Border or the provincial sales tax people,seems like a cock and bull story to me)

A US dealer collecting Canadian tax? That is a first, and probably the biggest BS I've ever heard - and I've heard some good BS!

[phlegm2]

I'm having the same problem with MTO today. Theyre wrong and the info is on their website http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/rgoutcan.shtml. i imported an impreza 2010 no problems, im assuming its just untrained staff this time around. im going to try calling in on tuesday and going to the kennedy/lawrence office to registar as that one was ok with it last time. you should complain those idiots cost you, they're trying to insist i need safety and etest. i have a brandnew outback PZEV.

Let me know how it goes. There was a post in this forum (months and months ago) about an Ontario importer who successfully avoided the safety certificate. If you get confirmation, I might actually go back to the MTO to get a refund - not even sure if that's possible, but I'd try it.

[teakvahead]

Let me know how it goes. There was a post in this forum (months and months ago) about an Ontario importer who successfully avoided the safety certificate. If you get confirmation, I might actually go back to the MTO to get a refund - not even sure if that's possible, but I'd try it.

i didnt have to get the safety in 2010 importing a new unregistered impreza and neither did my friend importing a new unregistered outback. it clearly states on the website here also http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/faq/vehicle.shtml#ssc that safety is not required for new unregistered vehicles. etest not required for current or future model years.

[wannaCRV]

My friend's hubby bought a 6mth old Mustang from a dealer outside San Fran and to avoid the tax
he drove a dealer car and the salesman drove the mustang to the Nevada border and switched cars.
No prob and no tax!!

[sjb110]

Anyone with recent experience purchasing from a US Ford dealership, that would be willing to share their experience and answer a few questions? Please PM me.

[sheriffabc]

This question comes up a lot. I know MonsieurMaggot mentions it is on his web page, but I can't find a section on his site. (?)

In any event, I've dealt with both Pennsylvania and N. Carolina, and neither dealer needed to collect state tax, so add that to your list.

+ 1 for MARYLAND. They took a copy of my Ontario licence and I signed a form saying not a resident of Maryland.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Remember that in Ontario, the MTO offices are franchises and the owner gets a percentage of all sales.

I had nothing but grief with my MTO clerk (who was a moron to begin with) but since I wasn't in a hurry to register - or leave their office, they eventually gave in and realized that not safety or emission test is required on new unregistered vehicles.

I just quoted the MTO regulations and had the clerk call their 1-800 support number. It was confirmed right from the MTO website:


3.A Safety Standards Certificate (SSC) if the vehicle is registered "fit". This Certificate is not required for new, unregistered vehicles or trailers or motor assisted bicycles (mopeds) or vehicles registered "unfit".

4.A Drive Clean Vehicle Emissions Pass Report may be required if the vehicle is being registered as 'fit" in the Drive Clean program area. Current and future model year vehicles are exempt. For more information on the Drive Clean Program, call the Drive Clean Call Centre at 1-888-758-2999 or visit the Drive Clean Website. Note: Motorcycles/motor scooters do not have to pass an emission test.

[dearabby]

I actually did exactly this a few years ago and saved 4+ thousand ...... My only tip would be speak with the Manufacturer Warranty personally and get some documentation stating that it's valid in Canada. I know GM and Ford it is, unfortuantely I bought a Volvo and the sales guy said it was transferable to Canada. Imagine my surprise when I found out it wasn't. Luckily I'm in a border town so just cross over for any warranty related issues.
Now I have a question, what about with used vehicles, anyone had good/bad experiences? I'm contemplating going to Detroit to buy something in the $10,000 -$12,000 area.

[lastchild01]

Hello everyone, I have always been an admirer of this thread and RFDers ability to save on such a huge purchase! I told myself, when the time comes, I too will import from the US.

Now its my turn and I need a bit of advise. I am looking to import a 06' Mercedes SLK.

Im started to wrap my head around the requirments needed to complete the process. However, I am not sure on how I obtain the recall letter or equivelent for the Canadian part of the importation process. I am working with a dealership (non Mercedes). So my question is: How do I go about getting the recall letter or equivalent for a Mercedes Benz? All help is much appreciated.

[GSD]

Hello everyone, I have always been an admirer of this thread and RFDers ability to save on such a huge purchase! I told myself, when the time comes, I too will import from the US.

Now its my turn and I need a bit of advise. I am looking to import a 06' Mercedes SLK.

Im started to wrap my head around the requirments needed to complete the process. However, I am not sure on how I obtain the recall letter or equivelent for the Canadian part of the importation process. I am working with a dealership (non Mercedes). So my question is: How do I go about getting the recall letter or equivalent for a Mercedes Benz? All help is much appreciated.

Ask the dealer to get a Vehicle Master Inquiry (VMI) from Benz dealer, this will suffice for a recall letter for RIV its valid for 30 days. Bear in mind you will have to pay 6.1% import duty on the Benz as on ML GL an R are made in USA. In this thread you will see my experience importing a ML320 CDI to Ontario.

[petaling108]

My friend's hubby bought a 6mth old Mustang from a dealer outside San Fran and to avoid the tax
he drove a dealer car and the salesman drove the mustang to the Nevada border and switched cars.
No prob and no tax!!

very good idea.

How far/how many hours is the salesguy willing to drive?

Thanks

[petaling108]

+ 1 for MARYLAND. They took a copy of my Ontario licence and I signed a form saying not a resident of Maryland.Was that Fitzmall.com

? Are they selling to Canadians now?

[varunr]

Anyone recently imported New Jeep Grand Cherokee from United States

I would like to get the contact details of east coast dealers who are willing to sell to canadians

Anyone brokers who would provide this service that you can recommend?

[teakvahead]

2nd try with MTO turned out fine no safety or etset required. Initially i was again told that these were required for every car but after i explained how it wasnt the clerk confirmed with the hotline and supervisor and eventually sorted out how to properly do it and all is good. fortunately this clerk readily admitted to not being familliar with the process and wanted to figure it out unlike the first try. They have a hotline to call for advice which is always open. saturday they pretended it wasnt so they could get rid of me and go home. new cars unregistered do not require a safety. I mentioned to the rep on the phone that some have been instructed to get a safety when it was not required but he wasnt ready to discuss that and insisted we resolve my situation. best of luck hope you can atleast get a sincere apology for your wasted time and money.

[phlegm2]

I actually did exactly this a few years ago and saved 4+ thousand ...... My only tip would be speak with the Manufacturer Warranty personally and get some documentation stating that it's valid in Canada. I know GM and Ford it is, unfortuantely I bought a Volvo and the sales guy said it was transferable to Canada. Imagine my surprise when I found out it wasn't. Luckily I'm in a border town so just cross over for any warranty related issues.
Now I have a question, what about with used vehicles, anyone had good/bad experiences? I'm contemplating going to Detroit to buy something in the $10,000 -$12,000 area.

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I have imported 2 Volvos, and have had warranty work done in Canada without issue (and without cost). Unless this is something new I haven't heard of, I think you've been misinformed.

[phlegm2]

2nd try with MTO turned out fine no safety or etset required. Initially i was again told that these were required for every car but after i explained how it wasnt the clerk confirmed with the hotline and supervisor and eventually sorted out how to properly do it and all is good. fortunately this clerk readily admitted to not being familliar with the process and wanted to figure it out unlike the first try. They have a hotline to call for advice which is always open. saturday they pretended it wasnt so they could get rid of me and go home. new cars unregistered do not require a safety. I mentioned to the rep on the phone that some have been instructed to get a safety when it was not required but he wasnt ready to discuss that and insisted we resolve my situation. best of luck hope you can atleast get a sincere apology for your wasted time and money.

Thanks for the follow up (and others that replied). I'm ticked off, but I was in a rush in both cases to get my car registered. I'll see if I can get a retro-refund - I won't hold my breath.

[TransDeal]

Hello everyone, I have always been an admirer of this thread and RFDers ability to save on such a huge purchase! I told myself, when the time comes, I too will import from the US.

Now its my turn and I need a bit of advise. I am looking to import a 06' Mercedes SLK.

Im started to wrap my head around the requirments needed to complete the process. However, I am not sure on how I obtain the recall letter or equivelent for the Canadian part of the importation process. I am working with a dealership (non Mercedes). So my question is: How do I go about getting the recall letter or equivalent for a Mercedes Benz? All help is much appreciated.

It's actually not hard to get all the information you need ahead of time. The problem is that the GTA dealers will not help you make it smooth. I can't plug too much here but our company does know a friendly franchised mercedes dealer who will handle everything for you and sell at the discounted prices. Feel free to email us customerservice@transdeal.ca

[tagtag]

I am going to import a outback from Plattsburgh to Ottawa. Anyone can advise how should I travel from Ottawa to Plattsburgh to pick up my new car?

[Monsieurmaggot]

I am going to import a outback from Plattsburgh to Ottawa. Anyone can advise how should I travel from Ottawa to Plattsburgh to pick up my new car?

When you say Plattsburg, I would assume the one in NY state. There are buses from Montreal to Plattsburg that leave regularly. A quick Internet search shows Trailways has a route.

http://www.trailwaysny.com/html/english/fares.asp

You could travel from Ottawa to Montreal then transfer onto a Trailways bus. There's a direct coach.

When I picked up my car, I took a bus across the border. The cost wasn't that much. I did pick up a return ticket on the advice of many since I didn't want to have US Customs give me any reason to get turned back. I travelled from Toronto to Buffalo and had the car dealer meet me at the bus terminal.

Sadly for me I bought the wrong kind of ticket and could not get a refund on the unused portion. In the end, it was well worth it.

[southnam]

I have an Amerifriend who is working in Ottawa now. Just totalled his US licensed car and insurance has it as a write off. He wants to buy a new Honda CRV LX in the next couple of weeks.
What are some of the closest dealers to Ottawa that offer good deals now? There shouldn't be an issue of selling to Canadians as he is American :)
As well, by being American he will have US insurance/Registration so no need to declare anything when driving it back to Canada right?
Can he get any warranty coverage while in Canada? Or will it be a pay first scenario or drive back to US dealer.
What sites can he used to find MSRP for US cars. I know we have CCC here.
I know some of these questions have been answered but I'm wondering if it's different because he is an American bringing his own vehicle to Canada to use.

Finally, he was planning to fly back to Chicago because he is from there and knows a dealership there but I'm thinking not worth the flight and long drive back to Ottawa.

Thanks in Advance for help.

[webdoctors]

I have an Amerifriend who is working in Ottawa now. Just totalled his US licensed car and insurance has it as a write off. He wants to buy a new Honda CRV LX in the next couple of weeks.
What are some of the closest dealers to Ottawa that offer good deals now? There shouldn't be an issue of selling to Canadians as he is American :)
As well, by being American he will have US insurance/Registration so no need to declare anything when driving it back to Canada right?
Can he get any warranty coverage while in Canada? Or will it be a pay first scenario or drive back to US dealer.
What sites can he used to find MSRP for US cars. I know we have CCC here.
I know some of these questions have been answered but I'm wondering if it's different because he is an American bringing his own vehicle to Canada to use.

Finally, he was planning to fly back to Chicago because he is from there and knows a dealership there but I'm thinking not worth the flight and long drive back to Ottawa.

Thanks in Advance for help.

He can use http://amexnetwork.zag.com/main.html to find a dealership.

There's no issue with him driving in Canada, as he's just visiting as an American. Nothing to declare. Its going to have American plates on it, so no warranty issues that others have when getting it serviced in Canada.

But I'm not sure where he would get it plated, Chicago (if that's where he's from?), you'd probably want a license/location where there's no sales tax (like New Hampshire, which is a lot closer to Ottawa).

[Monsieurmaggot]

He can use http://amexnetwork.zag.com/main.html to find a dealership.

There's no issue with him driving in Canada, as he's just visiting as an American. Nothing to declare. Its going to have American plates on it, so no warranty issues that others have when getting it serviced in Canada.

But I'm not sure where he would get it plated, Chicago (if that's where he's from?), you'd probably want a license/location where there's no sales tax (like New Hampshire, which is a lot closer to Ottawa).

Actually there's something missing here:

In the US, if you purchase a vehicle out of state, some states won't charge non-residents sales tax. That's true. Unfortunately many will charge a portion to purchasers in neighbouring states. The real issue is he won't be able to plate the vehicle without paying sales tax somewhere. Also, many insurers make it perfectly clear that they will NOT HONOUR any claims if the vehicle in question was not properly plated. If you live in Canada temporarily, you need to have a US home address to keep the vehicle plated.

There's no skirting the issue. Someone will pay sales tax to get the initial plates.

Note: I had a neighbour that for years drove around with valid Virginia plates. The vehicle was in his name but his address was listed at a relative. Unfortunately he got into an at-fault accident and his vehicles repairs were denied. The insurance company fixed the other person's vehicle and he faced charges for improperly licenced vehicle. Now his (old beater) vehicle is plated properly but he pays double the insurance he would have paid in the first place. While Ontario has "no fault insurance" culpability is still put on the person who caused the accident. A few years ago (just before I purchased my new car in the US) I was hit by a kid who caused considerable damage to my car. My insurance company immediately paid for my damage then go re-imbursed by his insurer. His insurer also paid my deductible and car rental. Since I technically wasn't "culpable" (as my agent called it), I was given platinum service while the costs were offset by the kid's insurer. In the end, you know the kid ended up paying for the repairs and all the extras. Essentially , he was "at fault".

[southnam]

Actually there's something missing here:

In the US, if you purchase a vehicle out of state, some states won't charge non-residents sales tax. That's true. Unfortunately many will charge a portion to purchasers in neighbouring states. The real issue is he won't be able to plate the vehicle without paying sales tax somewhere. Also, many insurers make it perfectly clear that they will NOT HONOUR any claims if the vehicle in question was not properly plated. If you live in Canada temporarily, you need to have a US home address to keep the vehicle plated.

There's no skirting the issue. Someone will pay sales tax to get the initial plates.

Note: I had a neighbour that for years drove around with valid Virginia plates. The vehicle was in his name but his address was listed at a relative. Unfortunately he got into an at-fault accident and his vehicles repairs were denied. The insurance company fixed the other person's vehicle and he faced charges for improperly licenced vehicle. Now his (old beater) vehicle is plated properly but he pays double the insurance he would have paid in the first place. While Ontario has "no fault insurance" culpability is still put on the person who caused the accident. A few years ago (just before I purchased my new car in the US) I was hit by a kid who caused considerable damage to my car. My insurance company immediately paid for my damage then go re-imbursed by his insurer. His insurer also paid my deductible and car rental. Since I technically wasn't "culpable" (as my agent called it), I was given platinum service while the costs were offset by the kid's insurer. In the end, you know the kid ended up paying for the repairs and all the extras. Essentially , he was "at fault".

Okay more background I guess.
He is from Chicago but moved up here to work. His insurance company, StateFarm, is fully aware that he is up here working and he pays an extra fee for having his car insured up here in Canada. They had no problem paying off his accident which was his fault as he slid off the road when it was snowing. Anyhow, so his other car is still insured in Chicago and that is where I guess he will have his insurance based out of if it makes that much of a difference.
Will he have a problem registering a car in NH or NY if he's from Chicago? I don't think he's trying to skirt paying taxes. He just still wants to continue insuring the new car under his US Statefam insurance policy because it's a lot cheaper. As well, not being Canadian he said he can't buy, register and insure a car here because he hasn't gotten permanent residence status (I'm not sure if this is true but besides the point).
So from what I am understanding, since he is American, it is pretty straight forward for him to buy a car in the US and just drive it up here and use it here as long as he has it registered and insured in the US somewhere. The unanswered question is if he can buy in NY or NH and have it registered and insured to bring up here as he does not live in those states.
Am I right with the above?

[smacd]

Not a really informed opinion, but I would say no. He must register it in Illinois, which is his state of residence. He can buy it in any state, but you can't register it there without a residency.

[michelb]

Not a really informed opinion, but I would say no. He must register it in Illinois, which is his state of residence. He can buy it in any state, but you can't register it there without a residency.

Yup, I have to agree. Not sure about Illinois but in some states, if you have someone that can go to the DMV for you, you can easily register a vehicle without you or the vehicle being there (no safety or emissions test to pass - but you still need to have a residence there).

[pf22100]

Just wanted to confirm that you can only import Monday-Friday and not on the weekends. Has this changed in the past year at all?

Gonna be a pain if I can't - got to the border today and had a paperwork issue with the title. Have the stuff coming fedex tomorrow and only an hour to the border. But if I can't import on the Canadian side, i'm going to be stuck till monday.

The US side said they can do their part on Saturday and thought the Canadian side could. I didn't go ask them while there. I tried to call someone at Canadian border services to find out, but the computerized voice on the other end was useless.

[rjmbc]

Just wanted to confirm that you can only import Monday-Friday and not on the weekends. Has this changed in the past year at all?

Gonna be a pain if I can't - got to the border today and had a paperwork issue with the title. Have the stuff coming fedex tomorrow and only an hour to the border. But if I can't import on the Canadian side, i'm going to be stuck till monday.

The US side said they can do their part on Saturday and thought the Canadian side could. I didn't go ask them while there. I tried to call someone at Canadian border services to find out, but the computerized voice on the other end was useless.

I don't know which border crossing you are referring to, but the ones I have used in the past have had no problems on the Canadian side (i.e. 24/7) the problem was always on the US side (Monday to Friday)

PM me the border crossing and I will let you know if it is one I used.

[pf22100]

I don't know which border crossing you are referring to, but the ones I have used in the past have had no problems on the Canadian side (i.e. 24/7) the problem was always on the US side (Monday to Friday)

PM me the border crossing and I will let you know if it is one I used.

I went to Portal, North Dakota (open 24/7) this morning the US side said that if I come back tomorrow it would not be a problem. We were talking about Fedexing right to them if possible but decided Minot would be a better choice as Fedex probably would not deliver to Portal on Saturday. Based on that, it seems they will process tomorrow. So here I sit in Minot, waiting for tomorrow to pick up the document at the Fedex office.

If what the US side told me today is correct, I may be on my way - fingers crossed. Otherwise, plan B may be calling family in Sask and staying with them until Monday.

[Aj23]

Anyone know how much I should be looking to pay for a brand new ford escape? How much extra should I be looking at for fees with bringing it over and everything on top of that price as well?

Thanks

[lastchild01]

Hey all. I always admired the fact many RFDers were able to save so much on such a large purchase. I am looking to import a Mercedes SLK as I mentioned a couple posts back.

I am using three sites to search for used cars: a) cars.com b) autotrader.com c) ebay.ca(com)

First question: are there any other sites I can look at?

I have found two cars that I like, one being in Las Vegas Nevada ... I am creating a list of things I need to get from the dealer/get done. One thing I am not too clear on is car plates.

Second question: As I drive from say Las Vegas to Toronto, what plates do I use? Does the US or Canadian customs inspect/care what plates you have on the car?
a) Can I use the plates off my older car (which I plan to sell)?
b) Do I need Temporary plates from Toronto?
c) Do I need temporary plates from Nevada?
d) Can I drive to the border without plates?

[pf22100]

I went to Portal, North Dakota (open 24/7) this morning the US side said that if I come back tomorrow it would not be a problem. We were talking about Fedexing right to them if possible but decided Minot would be a better choice as Fedex probably would not deliver to Portal on Saturday. Based on that, it seems they will process tomorrow. So here I sit in Minot, waiting for tomorrow to pick up the document at the Fedex office.


Crossed the border on Saturday around noon - no issues - took 15 minutes total for both sides.

[goodzyk]

Hey all. I always admired the fact many RFDers were able to save so much on such a large purchase. I am looking to import a Mercedes SLK as I mentioned a couple posts back.

I am using three sites to search for used cars: a) cars.com b) autotrader.com c) ebay.ca(com)

First question: are there any other sites I can look at?

I have found two cars that I like, one being in Las Vegas Nevada ... I am creating a list of things I need to get from the dealer/get done. One thing I am not too clear on is car plates.

Second question: As I drive from say Las Vegas to Toronto, what plates do I use? Does the US or Canadian customs inspect/care what plates you have on the car?
a) Can I use the plates off my older car (which I plan to sell)?
b) Do I need Temporary plates from Toronto?
c) Do I need temporary plates from Nevada?
d) Can I drive to the border without plates?

temporary plates from nevada...is the legal way to do it.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Hey all. I always admired the fact many RFDers were able to save so much on such a large purchase. I am looking to import a Mercedes SLK as I mentioned a couple posts back.

I am using three sites to search for used cars: a) cars.com b) autotrader.com c) ebay.ca(com)

First question: are there any other sites I can look at?

I have found two cars that I like, one being in Las Vegas Nevada ... I am creating a list of things I need to get from the dealer/get done. One thing I am not too clear on is car plates.

Second question: As I drive from say Las Vegas to Toronto, what plates do I use? Does the US or Canadian customs inspect/care what plates you have on the car?
a) Can I use the plates off my older car (which I plan to sell)?
b) Do I need Temporary plates from Toronto?
c) Do I need temporary plates from Nevada?
d) Can I drive to the border without plates?

You do realize Border Services runs your plates when you cross right?

You should look at getting temporary transit plates from either the MTO or in Nevada. That's all you need.

I drove across the border with NY temporary plates and then switched to Ontario transit plates once I left Canada Customs - either would work but you can't use both together. My insurer wanted Ontario transit plates while driving in Ontario.

[bobzorunkle]

I plan to bring a Toyota p/u across the border at Queenston-Lewiston. I understand the Canadian side is open 24/7 but the U.S. side closes from Friday at 4:00 to Monday morning. Does anyone know if there is a way around the U.S. closing for the weekend which would allow bringing the vehicle across on Saturday or Sunday? Thanks

[leafnation5]

Has anybody imported Outback lately? Please share the experience. Thanks

[Monsieurmaggot]

I plan to bring a Toyota p/u across the border at Queenston-Lewiston. I understand the Canadian side is open 24/7 but the U.S. side closes from Friday at 4:00 to Monday morning. Does anyone know if there is a way around the U.S. closing for the weekend which would allow bringing the vehicle across on Saturday or Sunday? Thanks

In a simple answer: No. While there has been countless discussion about bypassing US Customs altogether and that's a completely personal decision, you are committed to the US Customs Monday to Friday schedule.

[bobzorunkle]

Thanks MM. I did mean legally importing it. I don't know how someone would consider bypassing US Customs. It's just asking for trouble.

[mastereh]

Anyone import an Audi A3 or A4 into Canada recently? If so how was your experience and were did you go to make your purchase?

[lastchild01]

Hi everyone.

I have set everything up to import a car this weekend. I am still waiting on the dealer to get me the recall letter. Does the Canadian border require the recall letter in advance? I understand its best to send it to them in advance to make sure its a valid form to check recalls, but is it REQUIRED to send in advance?

Thanks for everyone's help thus far!

Cheers,

[clsl]

Hi everyone.

I have set everything up to import a car this weekend. I am still waiting on the dealer to get me the recall letter. Does the Canadian border require the recall letter in advance? I understand its best to send it to them in advance to make sure its a valid form to check recalls, but is it REQUIRED to send in advance?

Thanks for everyone's help thus far!

Cheers,

Canadian border does not need the recall letter at all. The letter is required for RIV. You can import the car first and send the recall letter to RIV later. However, you have to send the letter to RIV within 30 days after importing the car. I might be wrong with the time.

[Haps13]

Having some difficulty finding a dealer that will sell me a 2012 Honda Pilot.

Do I keep going further south until I find a dealer that will do it?

Or do I buy in new york state and use an address from somewhere in the US?

[phlegm2]

Having some difficulty finding a dealer that will sell me a 2012 Honda Pilot.

Do I keep going further south until I find a dealer that will do it?

Or do I buy in new york state and use an address from somewhere in the US?

In my case (Volvo), I had to go as far South as Pennsylvania until I found a dealer - can't speak to Honda though. BTW, pretty sure Honda does not honour the US warranty in Canada, so keep that in mind - they want to block imports.

If you use a US address, you will likely have to pay state tax, so I would avoid that.

[nayan97]

Anyone imported a new camry lately? Can anyone recommend me a dealer???


Also What procedures do I have to take to import??

[dealzuser]

Hello... Looking to buy a used minivan. I did some online price checks and it doesn't seem that the price is any better in the US. Can anyone comment? It looks like luxury is what's worthwhile. My sister in law is looking at a subaru impreza and the difference is only 2-3k. Almost not worth the hassle...

[szamma]

Hi there. I am looking to buy new/ pre-owned RX350 fully loaded for my friend in Toronto. Could you please PM me if you know the dealers in the US help me out?

[4family]

Anyone import an Audi A3 or A4 into Canada recently? If so how was your experience and were did you go to make your purchase?

I imported a 2009 A3 2.0 quattro in 2010 from a New York city area dealership as a dealer demo with 9k miles. They wouldn't sell me a new one. The warranty has been honoured in Canada for the couple of little things I've needed done. In addition to the usual RIV fee and HST, and 6.1% duty. The headlights have a switch for OFF, DRL, or ON; when I took it to Canadian Tire for the RIV inspection they passed it when I just left it in the DRL position. I think I was lucky, as you're not supposed to be able to disable the DRL and should probably get an Audi dealer to program them always on.

If you have any interest, I'm now considering selling the car, to buy a larger vehicle for the family. Send me a PM if you want any further details. I'm in NB.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Also What procedures do I have to take to import??

Read the first post or follow the step-by-step process I set up at www.monsieurmaggot.com.

Toyota's unwillingness to publicly sell to Canadians has been mentioned here countless times. Some RFDers have mentioned that they do exist as can be attested by some who claim to see Toyotas regularly at the US Customs offices with their proud Canadian owners.

Remember that many Canadian automotive manufacturing divisions don't want you eating into their profits and will do what they can to prevent you from buying in the US regardless what the regulations say.

When the tables were turned and the Canadian dollar was well below par, Americans came over in droves to buy Toyotas in Canada.

In the US they don't put up with companies ripping off their citizens and give prison sentences to the executives who permit it. Toyota was fined $35 million dollars a few years ago (http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060320/SUB/60317060/1003/BREAKING&refsect=BREAKING) for violating the free trade agreement. Last month, two Japanese parts suppliers (and their American executives jailed) were collectively fined over $500 million dollars for violating the free trade agreement. That's the same agreement that Canada has signed. I hope Canada gets some teeth and start enforcing the rules too.

http://www.justice.gov/atr/public/press_releases/2012/279734.htm

[ambajay]

In my case (Volvo), I had to go as far South as Pennsylvania until I found a dealer - can't speak to Honda though. BTW, pretty sure Honda does not honour the US warranty in Canada, so keep that in mind - they want to block imports.

If you use a US address, you will likely have to pay state tax, so I would avoid that.


Hi, Phlegm2
Could you please share your experience with importing a Volvo? I am thinking of getting an XC90. Does Volvo Canada honour the warranty on US imports? There’s hardly any mention of importing Volvos in this thread. Thanks.

[skyline518]

From my browsing through this thread, I do not see specific honda dealership in US mentioned here.. I am looking to pick up a 2012 honda CRV EX-L, which will probably be about 36-39k OTD here. After looking at the US pricing, i found it quite offensive! Some of the features arent even available here and its all included for 8000 less. If anyone can share some info on which dealership would be canadian friendly near Ontario, PM would be very much apreciated!

[phlegm2]

Hi, Phlegm2
Could you please share your experience with importing a Volvo? I am thinking of getting an XC90. Does Volvo Canada honour the warranty on US imports? There’s hardly any mention of importing Volvos in this thread. Thanks.

You may want to search against my previous posts, but I'll give you a quick Volvo summary here:

-US warranty is honoured in Canada
-You should not need to make any modifications to the vehicle - just ensure you have the dash display set to "current speed" in km/h during the Canadian Tire inspection. DRL and immobilizer are compliant with RIV requirements.
-Although some border dealers (New York state in my case) said they couldn't sell new to Canadians, I had no issue via a dealer in Pennsylvania.
-Volvo US offers a free maintenance plan (for 5 years!) which wasn't honoured in Canada, but Volvo Canada recently announced the free maintenance plan for new 2012 Canadian vehicles. I need to check if my US 2012 vehicle is now eligible. You may wish to check this by calling Volvo Canada head office. Would be a nice bonus.
-You will pay a 6.1% duty on Volvo at the border as it is not a NAFTA vehicle (made in Sweden).
-As per the RIV (www.riv.ca), Volvo Canada expects you to get a Canadian "inspection" in order to get a Recall Clearance Letter. I've heard quotes on this "inspection" that range form $250-750. Instead of paying for this flagrant rip-off (where the Canadian Volvo dealer literally does nothing), have the US dealer run a recall query against their service database. This is a sufficient alternative to a recall clearance letter (see www.riv.ca to confirm), and will save you the money. You do NOT need to do anything at a Canadian Volvo dealer during the import process.

That's all the Volvo-specific stuff I can think of. In general, it is a pretty good candidate for importation as there are relatively few blocks by Volvo Canada.

[kammas]

Read the first post or follow the step-by-step process I set up at www.monsieurmaggot.com.

Toyota's unwillingness to publicly sell to Canadians has been mentioned here countless times. Some RFDers have mentioned that they do exist as can be attested by some who claim to see Toyotas regularly at the US Customs offices with their proud Canadian owners.

Remember that many Canadian automotive manufacturing divisions don't want you eating into their profits and will do what they can to prevent you from buying in the US regardless what the regulations say.

When the tables were turned and the Canadian dollar was well below par, Americans came over in droves to buy Toyotas in Canada.

In the US they don't put up with companies ripping off their citizens and give prison sentences to the executives who permit it. Toyota was fined $35 million dollars a few years ago (http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060320/SUB/60317060/1003/BREAKING&refsect=BREAKING) for violating the free trade agreement. Last month, two Japanese parts suppliers (and their American executives jailed) were collectively fined over $500 million dollars for violating the free trade agreement. That's the same agreement that Canada has signed. I hope Canada gets some teeth and start enforcing the rules too.

http://www.justice.gov/atr/public/press_releases/2012/279734.htm

I am experiencing all sorts of ridiculousness from Toyota USA who is prohibiting a Portland dealership from selling me a Tacoma I ordered in December. The deal was to flow through my friend who is an Oregon resident. I was out front with the fleet manager going in and sometime after truck came in and paper work was being shuffled the Big Heavy came down on him. Toyota even told him that my Oregon friend is not allowed to buy the truck or he would lose his job and jeopardize the dealership's good standing. My mistake was to divulge the mechanics of the deal up front. Anyway, I have another friend in Portland who is willing to purchase the truck for me. However, I am sure my fleet manager will not help me secure a 'recall clearance letter' for the RIV. How difficult and how expensive is it to get this from Toyota Canada after the fact? I suspect they might put up hoops for me to jump through too.

[Mr. Mayhew]

Hey guys,
I have been trying to figure out the best way to offer our new car export service everyone on the East Coast, seeing as we are on the west coast (vancouver) and wanted to get everyones thoughts. I have been playing with the idea of just offering the service of buying the vehicle on the customers behalf and shipping it to their closest border, for them to complete the import themselves. This would require a full upfront payment obviously, as opposed to the deposit we receive now, since we would never see the car. My team and I have gone over this process together and in our opinion it is the best way (as importing through BC and shipping to East Coast/Ontario adds to the cost substantially), but I figured that I have a forum of individuals all looking to do the same thing and would get great ideas/opinions from you guys.

Essentially the way we would be looking to work it is that we locate the vehicle our customer is looking for, Draw up a purchase agreement (similar to our current one), accept payment in full for the vehicle/shipping, then purchase the vehicle and ship it. Plain and simple. The title would be submitted by us for the 72 hour, then shipped to the customer directly so they can complete the import. Very similar to our services now, but we will take full payment, and the customer will complete the import instead.

Thoughts, Concerns, Ideas?

Cheers!

[phlegm2]

However, I am sure my fleet manager will not help me secure a 'recall clearance letter' for the RIV. How difficult and how expensive is it to get this from Toyota Canada after the fact? I suspect they might put up hoops for me to jump through too.

Sorry to hear about your pain with Toyota. (Is it enough to make you purchase a competitor's vehicle?)

In any event, I would get the US dealership to give you a printout from their service database. They need only offer a screen print that shows your VIN, and indicates no outstanding recalls. (All manufacturer systems vary, so the exact form of this printout will vary.) This is easy to do, and shouldn't be a problem for any dealer.

This printout is an acceptable alternative to a recall clearance letter as per RIV, and in my case, it saved me having to pay for a useless "inspection" by a Canadian dealership.

In addition to the service database printout, I also have the dealership give me a letter on their letterhead, indicating the VIN, and saying "this vehicle has no outstanding recalls". This isn't necessarily required, but I provide it along with the printout. Again, this is an easy thing for a dealer to do for you.

Hope that helps, and sorry to hear about the trouble you're having.

[phlegm2]

Hey guys,
I have been trying to figure out the best way to offer our new car export service everyone on the East Coast, seeing as we are on the west coast (vancouver) and wanted to get everyones thoughts. I have been playing with the idea of just offering the service of buying the vehicle on the customers behalf and shipping it to their closest border, for them to complete the import themselves. This would require a full upfront payment obviously, as opposed to the deposit we receive now, since we would never see the car. My team and I have gone over this process together and in our opinion it is the best way (as importing through BC and shipping to East Coast/Ontario adds to the cost substantially), but I figured that I have a forum of individuals all looking to do the same thing and would get great ideas/opinions from you guys.

Essentially the way we would be looking to work it is that we locate the vehicle our customer is looking for, Draw up a purchase agreement (similar to our current one), accept payment in full for the vehicle/shipping, then purchase the vehicle and ship it. Plain and simple. The title would be submitted by us for the 72 hour, then shipped to the customer directly so they can complete the import. Very similar to our services now, but we will take full payment, and the customer will complete the import instead.

Thoughts, Concerns, Ideas?

Cheers!

While I trust you and know you have a legitimate business, the payment-in-full necessity would be a blocker for me. Just like from your perspective, the buyer would be paying the entire amount without seeing the vehicle until it reaches the border. If something were to happen to the solvency of your business mid-transaction, I'm out the full amount.

I'd also be curious how the shipping and insurance would work. If the car is damaged en route to the border, can the buyer refuse it?

I wonder if there's a bond (or similar) you could post with a 3rd party in the amount of the vehicle, until receipt by the East Coast customer. (?)

[Mr. Mayhew]

While I trust you and know you have a legitimate business, the payment-in-full necessity would be a blocker for me. Just like from your perspective, the buyer would be paying the entire amount without seeing the vehicle until it reaches the border. If something were to happen to the solvency of your business mid-transaction, I'm out the full amount.

I'd also be curious how the shipping and insurance would work. If the car is damaged en route to the border, can the buyer refuse it?

I wonder if there's a bond (or similar) you could post with a 3rd party in the amount of the vehicle, until receipt by the East Coast customer. (?)

The same comes into play when dealing with a US dealer though, you don't get to see the vehicle and essentially you are more at risk as if they were to discover you are exporting then can withhold the title from you. All of our dealers know what is up and we are at no risk of having a deal stopped halfway through unless the manufacturer comes in. With regards to our carrier insurance, we only deal with 2 different carriers for ALL of our shipping, and they provide insurance on all the vehicles we ship with them. Our current contract states that if a vehicle is damaged upon receipt, the buyer has the right to refuse if we cannot remedy the situation within 10 days. IE if it has front lip damage, we repair the front lip professionally and then take it up with the shipping company after, provided they were at fault. All new vehicles have a condition report done by the shipping company upon pick up from the dealer, and Used vehicles we have a second condition report to be filled out by the selling dealer prior to purchase.
Also, as for solvency, we are a very rare fully self funded business, none of our vehicles are purchased on loan and we have no debt. So there is no risk.
Does this address some of the concerns you would have?

[ambajay]

You may want to search against my previous posts, but I'll give you a quick Volvo summary here:

-US warranty is honoured in Canada
-You should not need to make any modifications to the vehicle - just ensure you have the dash display set to "current speed" in km/h during the Canadian Tire inspection. DRL and immobilizer are compliant with RIV requirements.
-Although some border dealers (New York state in my case) said they couldn't sell new to Canadians, I had no issue via a dealer in Pennsylvania.
-Volvo US offers a free maintenance plan (for 5 years!) which wasn't honoured in Canada, but Volvo Canada recently announced the free maintenance plan for new 2012 Canadian vehicles. I need to check if my US 2012 vehicle is now eligible. You may wish to check this by calling Volvo Canada head office. Would be a nice bonus.
-You will pay a 6.1% duty on Volvo at the border as it is not a NAFTA vehicle (made in Sweden).
-As per the RIV (www.riv.ca), Volvo Canada expects you to get a Canadian "inspection" in order to get a Recall Clearance Letter. I've heard quotes on this "inspection" that range form $250-750. Instead of paying for this flagrant rip-off (where the Canadian Volvo dealer literally does nothing), have the US dealer run a recall query against their service database. This is a sufficient alternative to a recall clearance letter (see www.riv.ca to confirm), and will save you the money. You do NOT need to do anything at a Canadian Volvo dealer during the import process.

That's all the Volvo-specific stuff I can think of. In general, it is a pretty good candidate for importation as there are relatively few blocks by Volvo Canada.

Thanks for the useful information! You have a wonderful day.

[Mr. Mayhew]

I am experiencing all sorts of ridiculousness from Toyota USA who is prohibiting a Portland dealership from selling me a Tacoma I ordered in December. The deal was to flow through my friend who is an Oregon resident. I was out front with the fleet manager going in and sometime after truck came in and paper work was being shuffled the Big Heavy came down on him. Toyota even told him that my Oregon friend is not allowed to buy the truck or he would lose his job and jeopardize the dealership's good standing. My mistake was to divulge the mechanics of the deal up front. Anyway, I have another friend in Portland who is willing to purchase the truck for me. However, I am sure my fleet manager will not help me secure a 'recall clearance letter' for the RIV. How difficult and how expensive is it to get this from Toyota Canada after the fact? I suspect they might put up hoops for me to jump through too.

Just a tip when it comes to this. DO NOT use the dealership you are purchasing the vehicle from to get a recall letter if the entire dealership isn't on board with you exporting it. Just because your salesman/fleet manager is ok with it, doesn't mean the GM is and a lot of the time they will request that they are notified before any VIRs are printed. This could destroy your deal where it stands.

There are many dealers out there selling recall documents for a profit, heck even we do. So take a look out there and DO NOT risk blowing up your deal. Hope this helps

[rjmbc]

I am experiencing all sorts of ridiculousness from Toyota USA who is prohibiting a Portland dealership from selling me a Tacoma I ordered in December. The deal was to flow through my friend who is an Oregon resident. I was out front with the fleet manager going in and sometime after truck came in and paper work was being shuffled the Big Heavy came down on him. Toyota even told him that my Oregon friend is not allowed to buy the truck or he would lose his job and jeopardize the dealership's good standing. My mistake was to divulge the mechanics of the deal up front. Anyway, I have another friend in Portland who is willing to purchase the truck for me. However, I am sure my fleet manager will not help me secure a 'recall clearance letter' for the RIV. How difficult and how expensive is it to get this from Toyota Canada after the fact? I suspect they might put up hoops for me to jump through too.

I haven't checked this in the last couple or months. but it is possible to get the required recall online through the Toyota site. No need to contact Toyota or the dealership. I did it with the 2011 Highlander Hybrid I brought in last year at this time. It came from Seattle.

[phlegm2]

The same comes into play when dealing with a US dealer though, you don't get to see the vehicle and essentially you are more at risk as if they were to discover you are exporting then can withhold the title from you. All of our dealers know what is up and we are at no risk of having a deal stopped halfway through unless the manufacturer comes in. With regards to our carrier insurance, we only deal with 2 different carriers for ALL of our shipping, and they provide insurance on all the vehicles we ship with them. Our current contract states that if a vehicle is damaged upon receipt, the buyer has the right to refuse if we cannot remedy the situation within 10 days. IE if it has front lip damage, we repair the front lip professionally and then take it up with the shipping company after, provided they were at fault. All new vehicles have a condition report done by the shipping company upon pick up from the dealer, and Used vehicles we have a second condition report to be filled out by the selling dealer prior to purchase.
Also, as for solvency, we are a very rare fully self funded business, none of our vehicles are purchased on loan and we have no debt. So there is no risk.
Does this address some of the concerns you would have?

I bring bank drafts to the US dealer, so I get a chance to inspect the vehicle and ensure title availability prior to paying in full. (I put down a $500 or $1000 deposit prior to flying down.) I may be too paranoid, but I happen to like how that works. I wouldn't necessarily take my opinion as representative of other potential broker customers out East.

As for shipping, thanks for the details. That seems logical, safe, and fair.

[Mr. Mayhew]

I bring bank drafts to the US dealer, so I get a chance to inspect the vehicle and ensure title availability prior to paying in full. (I put down a $500 or $1000 deposit prior to flying down.) I may be too paranoid, but I happen to like how that works. I wouldn't necessarily take my opinion as representative of other potential broker customers out East.

As for shipping, thanks for the details. That seems logical, safe, and fair.

This is the ideal situation. Generally speaking our dealers are not near border states so we cant really offer that, unless the customer wants to fly down, drive and touch the vehicle prior to closing the deal. Although it would add to the cost.
I appreciate the insight nonetheless, always good to hear from another persons perspective.
cheers!

[teakvahead]

Has anybody imported Outback lately? Please share the experience. Thanks

I just did end of january, purchased a 2.5 limited with hitch, rear bumper step, side mouldings, front under guard, moonroof, allweather mats, comes with pzev. saved about 10G compared to pricing here after all in.

[leafnation5]

I just did end of january, purchased a 2.5 limited with hitch, rear bumper step, side mouldings, front under guard, moonroof, allweather mats, comes with pzev. saved about 10G compared to pricing here after all in.

Which dealer?

[corvettefan]

Just a quick testimonial from my end. Thanks to this thread and a few others on RFD, I was able to successfully import a 2011 Ford Mustang GT (with the 5.0L V8) in Dec 2011, through the Windsor-Detroit Ambassador Bridge border crossing. Almost all the Ford dealers I called around in the Metro-Detroit area had no problems selling to a Canadian, but weren't able to give me a good deal which would motivate me to buy from them. Finally I found a dealership in Flint, MI (~150 km from the border) which offered me a really good deal, and I ended up saving over 20%.

They faxed the DMV title & Lien Clearance Letter from Ford Credit to the border office 72 hours in advance, and also gave me the recall clearance letter (Ford Oasis Report printout) which I e-mailed to RIV beforehand. I didn't have to pay any Michigan sales tax since they dropped off the car right at the border crossing on dealer plates, and gave me a 15 day temporary Michigan permit to cross the border & get my MTO registration. The actual import process was relatively trivial, and I paid the 5% GST at the border + the RIV Fee + air-con tax/fee. No duties since Mustangs are made right there in Flat Rock, MI.

Then I took the car to my local Ford Dealership in Canada, and they activated the DRL's on my car for the RIV inspection at Canadian Tire (Note: The dealership requires the official import form from Canada Customs to activate your DRL's). After that, I passed the RIV inspection with flying colours, went to MTO, paid the remaining 8% PST, and transferred my plates to the new car. I got the RIV import sticker through snail mail about 2 weeks later.

PS: I could not get any Canadian bank to finance my car during my purchase in Michigan, so I had to buy it on my personal LOC, and then got my bank to finance it at a much lower rate once it was officially registered by MTO, and then paid off the LOC.

[briandwlee]

Hi,

I have an X5, which was imported from the US, and its warranty is expiring in a couple of months. I am shopping to get some sort of extended warranties but wondering if I could buy an extended warranty sold by BMW USA.

I haven't contacted any dealers up here or down there yet, but, as the X5 is basically a US vehicle regardless of the location of the vehicle, BMW USA might sell their own extended warranty to me. I'll call BMW Canada and a dealer here tomorrow, but I am pretty much sure that they'll say no because they always try to treat US imports unfairly. So, if the US extended warranty is valid here and honored by canadian BMW dealers, why not..???

I am not interested in 3rd party warranties as lot of times they include tricky terms and conditions and exclusions in fine print.

Any experiences?

Thanks.

[blk_hawk]

Hi all, looking to buy a 2001 BMW 330i from a private seller in Blaine (a town right on the Vancouver/US border)

After reading the thread, I have a few questions

(1) I need a recall letter? How do I get it if it is a private sale? and for a 2001 OLD car?
(2) Do I really need to call my Vancouver BMW dealer to ask them how much to "mod" the car? I read a thread from someone saying they didn't follow the "BMW import process".. .so does that mean I don't really have to call my local dealerhship?

(3) At the end, I need to get the Provincial Inspection done by Canada Tire for $120 right?

Please help me here.. while I continue to read the entire thread ~

thanks

BH

[varunr]

blk_hawk

1) http://community.ebay.ca/topic/Ebay-Motors/Bmw-Recall-Clearance/500022243?start=600

If you haven't come across this discussion there is a contact there to get recall letters when you cannot obtain it from US BMW dealership or if it is a private sale. If you can get a vehicle service inquiry that would work instead of the recall letter as well from what I understand reading the other comments.

2) You can do without contacting Vancouver BMW dealer, but first once you obtain the recall letter or vehicle service inquiry report you forward it to riv and get their confirmation if they accept it take that paperwork with you when you bring the vehicle to the border.

3) Yes

Hope this helps



Hi all, looking to buy a 2001 BMW 330i from a private seller in Blaine (a town right on the Vancouver/US border)

After reading the thread, I have a few questions

(1) I need a recall letter? How do I get it if it is a private sale? and for a 2001 OLD car?
(2) Do I really need to call my Vancouver BMW dealer to ask them how much to "mod" the car? I read a thread from someone saying they didn't follow the "BMW import process".. .so does that mean I don't really have to call my local dealerhship?

(3) At the end, I need to get the Provincial Inspection done by Canada Tire for $120 right?

Please help me here.. while I continue to read the entire thread ~

thanks

BH

[varunr]

briandwlee did you contact BMW USA/ Canada or dealership regarding obtaining extended warranty. My understanding is the manufacturer will not sell it to you once the regular warranty is expired or close to expiry so just curious what you found out?




Hi,

I have an X5, which was imported from the US, and its warranty is expiring in a couple of months. I am shopping to get some sort of extended warranties but wondering if I could buy an extended warranty sold by BMW USA.

I haven't contacted any dealers up here or down there yet, but, as the X5 is basically a US vehicle regardless of the location of the vehicle, BMW USA might sell their own extended warranty to me. I'll call BMW Canada and a dealer here tomorrow, but I am pretty much sure that they'll say no because they always try to treat US imports unfairly. So, if the US extended warranty is valid here and honored by canadian BMW dealers, why not..???

I am not interested in 3rd party warranties as lot of times they include tricky terms and conditions and exclusions in fine print.

Any experiences?

Thanks.

[varunr]

Mayhew recently I contacted you and later had to work with Chris for a vehicle purchase. It is good to hear you are considering a different option it was exactly the cost of shipping from Vancouver that put things off for me. I had a dealer just south of the border willing to sell it to me. Secondly the issue of not being able to see the vehicle prior to purchase I would prefer to fly or drive down and deal with dealership in person and drive vehicle back and complete the import process myself. So in other words you might want to provide a service where your customers can pick and choose the service provided by you.

There are dealers within driving distance south of Ontario willing to deal, if vehicle is titled in US. Canadians will have to find a relative or someone they trust to make this possible. If it's possible for you to provide this service for a fee I am sure you would find many who are interested



This is the ideal situation. Generally speaking our dealers are not near border states so we cant really offer that, unless the customer wants to fly down, drive and touch the vehicle prior to closing the deal. Although it would add to the cost.
I appreciate the insight nonetheless, always good to hear from another persons perspective.
cheers!

[chris_iginla]

Is the Infiniti E35 or Volvo XC60 manufactured in the US by any chance (I'm thinking no for these particular vehicles). If either is, any dealer recommendations reasonably close to Calgary?

Many thanks.

[michelb]

Is the Infiniti E35 or Volvo XC60 manufactured in the US by any chance (I'm thinking no for these particular vehicles). If either is, any dealer recommendations reasonably close to Calgary?

Many thanks.

Read page 1 and look at the VIN - if it starts with a digit it's duty free, if it's starts with a letter, you have to pay duty.

[leafnation5]

Q- when are 2013 models expected to roll out?

[fallengod]

So I have posted here a while back.. but i finally executed on the VW GTI in the USA.

I got an 2011 GTI 4door with sunroof and 18" rims for 22300$ and the car has 20k miles on it.

I got it from dorschelvw in rochestor....they seem to be very knowledgeable and have done it many time.

I got raped on the wire transfer fee.... 50$ from TD!

I'll do an full writeup once i get the car back in Canada and have it plated.

[bomberman447]

So I have posted here a while back.. but i finally executed on the VW GTI in the USA.

I got an 2011 GTI 4door with sunroof and 18" rims for 22300$ and the car has 20k miles on it.

I got it from dorschelvw in rochestor....they seem to be very knowledgeable and have done it many time.

I got raped on the wire transfer fee.... 50$ from TD!

I'll do an full writeup once i get the car back in Canada and have it plated.

It now has no warranty though if I am not mistaken?

I have been following this thread though and will be buying a new to me used IS250awd or A4 in May I think will work nicely. Just wish our dollar would go a little bit higher so I could buy some more US money :razz:

[fallengod]

I have a transcript from the chat support i have with VW that i'll post later... but a summery of it is that if u drive the car back to the usa.... u will get warranty support.

but what new that i found out about is that if there a recall.... canadian dealer WILL do the work on the car.

but technically if the car been exported... roadside assistant or carefree maintenance would be voided even in the usa. but since VW haven't came out with a public statements on the issue, dealer will still do carefree maintenance work in a usa dealer.

if you have proof of USA residency and your car break down in canada... you can pay out of pocket and submit a claim with a usa dealer... but once again that go on a case by case basics.

[fallengod]

will be buying a new to me used IS250awd or A4 in :razz:


Do yourself a favor and DON'T get an is250 esp the AWD version.. that car is as slow as **** for a 200hp car.. I really like the look of the is250 but with is shity mpg and highway robbery insurance..... it not worth it.

for the A4 I would get that if I could afford it.....just watch out for the cvt version....

[bomberman447]

Oh well that isn't too bad then, closest to me is Montana though which is still far if something happened. I do really like the MKVI GTI though. Kind of similar to the way Subaru is then the way it is set up.


Do yourself a favor and DON'T get an is250 esp the AWD version.. that car is as slow as **** for a 200hp car.. I really like the look of the is250 but with is shity mpg and highway robbery insurance..... it not worth it.

for the A4 I would get that if I could afford it.....just watch out for the cvt version....
The plan is to have a car so slow that I couldn't get any tickets and I switched to an insurance broker from TDMM now so my insurance is very cheap. I bought a 2001 volvo s40 inbetween selling my previously imported G35 coupe and what I get next and anything will be faster than that. The Lexus is my backup though and the Audi is the goal, a 2009 Premium Plus quattro, should be about $21-23k us.

[chris_iginla]

Read page 1 and look at the VIN - if it starts with a digit it's duty free, if it's starts with a letter, you have to pay duty.

Thanks michelb...

Quick search resulted in VINs on both vehicle starting with letters (Volvo & Infiniti)...oh well...

[phlegm2]

Thanks michelb...

Quick search resulted in VINs on both vehicle starting with letters (Volvo & Infiniti)...oh well...

I wouldn't let the 6.1% duty stop you. When I imported my 2012 XC70, I saved $10,780 net - that means including my flight down, gas, 1 night hotel, and duty. That said, would be sweet to save the 6.1% if it qualified under NAFTA.

[baileyr]

I wouldn't let the 6.1% duty stop you. When I imported my 2012 XC70, I saved $10,780 net - that means including my flight down, gas, 1 night hotel, and duty. That said, would be sweet to save the 6.1% if it qualified under NAFTA.

And remember that any vehicle that is not NAFTA would have to have duty paid, regardless of how it got here.

So if you buy the same vehicle at a Canadian dealer - the duty was already paid and is hidden in the cost....

[lastchild01]

Hey all,

Quick question: I am in the process of registering my car, I brought over a car that I needed to pay duty for

So at the border I paid:
a) 5% tax on my car b) $100 air condition tax c) 6.1% duty on my car
The above (a,b,c) was applied to purchase price of the car

Now I am ready to to get my plates and they are telling me that I have to pay the additional 8% tax on the purchase price + abc

so essentially the service ontario office I went to asked for Price for the car + a + b + c x .08 (8% tax)
However, I was under the assumption it would be Price for the car x .08 (8% tax)

Which is correct?

If this person is wrong, can you please let me know which service ontario location you went to so I will simply go there and get my car registered.

Thanks in advance everyone



EDIT - PLEASE READ:

Today I spent my lunch hour at the ServiceOntario location at Markham and Hwy 7 (Unit 2B, 5694 Highway 7, Markham Road) which prompted the post you see above. I came away from this particular location, aggravated, as I wasted my time, did not get my plates and did not eat anything for lunch (all due to the amount of time spent speaking on the phone with Service Ontario head office and speaking with the people who worked at this particular location)

I am not one to write much about anything, but I thought I should warn fellow RFDers who live in the vicinity and would go to this location as a first choice. As you can see from the original post above, a worker at this location was trying to charge me tax as follows: (Price of the car + 6.1% + 5% + $100 AC Tax) x 8%, even though this was less than $500 difference from what I believed to be the correct amount, on principle, I walked ... as the charge was simply suppose to be Price of car x 8%. Essentially she was taxing me inclusive of the tax I paid, which was unreasonable. I know that our government gouges us, but to come up with a system like that I knew was complete BS, yes we get gouged but she had no real answer for the fact that she was taxing me on the price inclusive of tax. It made no sense!

So I called head office as she instructed and the person on the line told me the same thing. EVEN AFTER THAT, she called some special number and confirmed that she was doing the correct thing. I asked to speak to person on the "special" line, she refused ... Please keep in mind, I am really an easy going person, and it takes a lot for me to get angry, but the garbage that lady was feeding me at the Markham location was austonishing as I broke down, finally raised my voice and asked: who exactly were you speaking to on your special line? Were you even speaking to anyone? have you ever questioned why you are taxing people twice? Are you telling me people who import cars simply accept your calculation of tax and pay it? Who do I have to call at the government to explain that this is illogical? (at that point I knew this was wrong, because I was born and raised here, and even though we have heavily taxed systems, for the most part they are simple and straightforward to follow). I left ...

The Redemption - keep reading

After work and after cooling down and eating something, I decided to try my luck again. I went to a newer location that had late hours at Cedarbrae Mall. To my surprise this location was huge with many counters (unlike the hole in the wall in Markham). The person I dealt with was pleasant, we chatted and even joked around as he registered my car. Of course, as is logical and reasonable and as I had thought, he charged me the CORRECT amount which is the Price of the car x 8%. I have visited three locations prior to ever coming to this location at Cedarbrae Mall and none of them was this pleasant. If I were to import another car, I would definitely go here. Additionally they had everything stocked, the plates, the stickers, everything ... I left with my registration and plates fully paid for 2 years.

Take away: Trust your gut ... and if your registering your imported car, try the Cedarbrae Mall ServiceOntario location

Cheers

[medellru]

Im importing brand new vehicle from Korea and expecting zero problems (done it thouthands time already).....it is on the way to Vancouver...:lol:

Lasrchild01 I dont know about ON rules, but all of these GST/HST and whatever you have over there must be applied on a sales price: (a+b+c)*8%+abc...I am not sure what tax is that, but this is regular rule when you import a vehicle (dealer or private person)....

Get residence in AB for such purposes....

[Monsieurmaggot]

Im importing brand new vehicle from Korea and expecting zero problems (done it thouthands time already).....it is on the way to Vancouver...:lol:

Get residence in AB for such purposes....

With shipping and importing costs factored in, I'm surprised to hear your vehicle is still cheaper than a NA-sourced vehicle. GST and Duty is still applicable. I wasn't aware that Transport Canada would allow you to license a non-North American spec'd vehicle. Did RIV ask you where the vehicle was sourced? Assuming there's nothing underhanded going on, how much would you really save?

Buying a vehicle in Alberta is useless to non-residents since provincial taxes are still payable when the vehicle is eventually plated.

[tyrrell]

Does anybody know if you have to pay sales tax on a vehicle purchased in Pennsylvania? Looking to buy a car there, and if i have to pay tax, it kinda kills a large part of the deal.

Also, I've heard some people say that the taxes can be avoided in Michigan by shipping the car to the border and selling it there? Can anyone confirm/expand on this?

Thanks

[phlegm2]

Does anybody know if you have to pay sales tax on a vehicle purchased in Pennsylvania? Looking to buy a car there, and if i have to pay tax, it kinda kills a large part of the deal.

Also, I've heard some people say that the taxes can be avoided in Michigan by shipping the car to the border and selling it there? Can anyone confirm/expand on this?

Thanks

I've purchased 2 vehicles in PA. They don't have to collect state tax from you.

[bomberman447]

I've purchased 2 vehicles in PA. They don't have to collect state tax from you.
I know my friend and I were looking at some Miami cars and were told to avoid paying tax on the car without shipping it you could bring down an Alberta In Transit tag.

[phlegm2]

Wanted to follow up on this.

Both times after my imports, I was asked to provide a Safety Standards Certificate (SSC) in addition to the RIV inspection at Canadian Tire. At the time I didn't fight it, but a couple of you said that I shouldn't need the SSC, and that the Service Ontario agent was incorrect. As background, the MTO site itself notes the following:

"When do I require an SSC?

An SSC is required when:
•registering a rebuilt motor vehicle;
•transferring a used motor vehicle to a new owner as fit;
•registering a motor vehicle in Ontario that was previously registered in another province or country;
•changing the status of a vehicle from unfit to fit."

Since then, I contacted them via phone, and while the agent didn't know anything about it, she followed up and left me a voicemail a few days later. I was told that I was correct - I didn't need the SSC, but there was no indication of how to get my money back.

Called them again, and the gentleman I spoke was also unaware, and after putting me on hold several times, he ultimately suggested I head to the local office.

I went to the Orangeville location yesterday, and unfortunatley waited in line for nothing. Upon reaching the agent, she said "we can't issue a refund for a Canadian Tire bill sir" - no kidding Sherlock, but you can tell me how to get compensation for unnecessary expenses incurred by incorrect advice from your office. She gave me the business card of what appears to be a regional manager.

I emailed the lady, and she responded quickly. Unfortunatley, this appears to be headed in a bad direction though. She is citing:
-that the US dealer would have had to "register" the vehicle at some point;
-I should have received a New Vehicle Information Statement (NVIS) which is given to the first registrant of a vehicle.

I have a couple of issues with where this is going:
1. Let's be clear on the difference between "transfering ownership" and "registration". All car dealers globally will have a record of ownership. Does this mean registered? If so, 100% of all new vehicles ever sold (via dealers) are always "registered", and you'd need an SSC 100% of the time on new US imports. I think there's a difference between "record of ownership" and "registering a car in a given municipality to that it can be legally driven on a road".
2. As far as I can tell, the NVIS is a Canadian program, and would not apply to a US vehicle sold in the US. I would never obtain this as it doesn't exist. I presume the MSO/CO is more or less the equivalent.

So, in short, it isn't looking good, because I'm going to guess that they'll say that because I bought it form a dealership, it was "registered". How the heck can I buy a new vehicle otherwise? That's nuts.

If, by chance you didn't need the SSC, great - take the registration documents and run, run away, because I think you got through on a loophole.

Finally, if anyone is familiar with the NVIS I mention, let me know. I think it is Canada only.

[tyrrell]

I've purchased 2 vehicles in PA. They don't have to collect state tax from you.

Is there any documentation to confirm this?

I just spoke to a dealer and they said they did have to collect sales tax. They said they wouldn't have to collect it if the car was put on a flatbed or trailer and then imported?

I seem to have this problem with many states. I've been given 3 different answers from 3 different dealers in michigan regarding this.

[goodzyk]

Is there any documentation to confirm this?

I just spoke to a dealer and they said they did have to collect sales tax. They said they wouldn't have to collect it if the car was put on a flatbed or trailer and then imported?

I seem to have this problem with many states. I've been given 3 different answers from 3 different dealers in michigan regarding this.

I know in Arizona and california the dealer has to show the vehicle has been shipped out of state in order to validate you are an out of state buyer, and thus not collect state tax from you...but there can be ways around this depending on the cooperation of your dealer...couple of examples- I've heard of the salesman driving the car to the closest state border and you drive his vehicle kinda thing then hand off....also heard of shipper coming up tp pick the car up from the dealer, and once they're out of sight of the dealer...well you get the picture. Thats also why your getting different answers in the same state

[phlegm2]

Is there any documentation to confirm this?

I just spoke to a dealer and they said they did have to collect sales tax. They said they wouldn't have to collect it if the car was put on a flatbed or trailer and then imported?

I seem to have this problem with many states. I've been given 3 different answers from 3 different dealers in michigan regarding this.

Not sure what to tell you aside from the fact that I bought two vehicles in West Chester PA (2009, 2011), and state tax was not collected in either case. It was listed as "NA" on the bill of sale. I drove off the lot myself, with temporary plates provided by the dealer both times.

PM me if you want further details, but I agree that there is a lot of confusion out there, and most of it stems from dealers who just aren't familiar with selling to Canadians. And of course, the rules will vary from state to state.

[teakvahead]

Wanted to follow up on this.

Both times after my imports, I was asked to provide a Safety Standards Certificate (SSC) in addition to the RIV inspection at Canadian Tire. At the time I didn't fight it, but a couple of you said that I shouldn't need the SSC, and that the Service Ontario agent was incorrect. As background, the MTO site itself notes the following:

"When do I require an SSC?

An SSC is required when:
•registering a rebuilt motor vehicle;
•transferring a used motor vehicle to a new owner as fit;
•registering a motor vehicle in Ontario that was previously registered in another province or country;
•changing the status of a vehicle from unfit to fit."

Since then, I contacted them via phone, and while the agent didn't know anything about it, she followed up and left me a voicemail a few days later. I was told that I was correct - I didn't need the SSC, but there was no indication of how to get my money back.

Called them again, and the gentleman I spoke was also unaware, and after putting me on hold several times, he ultimately suggested I head to the local office.

I went to the Orangeville location yesterday, and unfortunatley waited in line for nothing. Upon reaching the agent, she said "we can't issue a refund for a Canadian Tire bill sir" - no kidding Sherlock, but you can tell me how to get compensation for unnecessary expenses incurred by incorrect advice from your office. She gave me the business card of what appears to be a regional manager.

I emailed the lady, and she responded quickly. Unfortunatley, this appears to be headed in a bad direction though. She is citing:
-that the US dealer would have had to "register" the vehicle at some point;
-I should have received a New Vehicle Information Statement (NVIS) which is given to the first registrant of a vehicle.

I have a couple of issues with where this is going:
1. Let's be clear on the difference between "transfering ownership" and "registration". All car dealers globally will have a record of ownership. Does this mean registered? If so, 100% of all new vehicles ever sold (via dealers) are always "registered", and you'd need an SSC 100% of the time on new US imports. I think there's a difference between "record of ownership" and "registering a car in a given municipality to that it can be legally driven on a road".
2. As far as I can tell, the NVIS is a Canadian program, and would not apply to a US vehicle sold in the US. I would never obtain this as it doesn't exist. I presume the MSO/CO is more or less the equivalent.

So, in short, it isn't looking good, because I'm going to guess that they'll say that because I bought it form a dealership, it was "registered". How the heck can I buy a new vehicle otherwise? That's nuts.

If, by chance you didn't need the SSC, great - take the registration documents and run, run away, because I think you got through on a loophole.

Finally, if anyone is familiar with the NVIS I mention, let me know. I think it is Canada only.

Sorry to read that there is no recorse for you after what happened. Sounds like their in damage control and circling the wagons. In the end whos going to take responsibility for a canadian tire bill. The MTO offices are franchises privately run so theres zero consistency as some are solely afterprofit no concern with uniform service. I found the location at kingson rd scarborough to be the same but the lawrence and kennedy rd location processed me twice now without problem and were willing to actually help that extra step to learn what it is there doing before turning people away, i highly recomend . The canadian tire at warden eglinton also tried to push me in the wrong direction. last week i received a notification from Riv that my case was passed due and would be legally pursued by them. This was due to Canadian tire not forwarding the inspection form as there supposed to. i faxed the form which was completed more than a month ago and problem was resolved no thanks to those responsible. i received a request for a survey from RIV and i voiced my dissapointment at services provided. I believ that RIV is also contracted out. In the end we are legally required to turn to three seperate private companys with zero accountability to provide us with a government service. The companys are gold mines and we get screwed because they never really have to learn what theyre doing to charge us for it. private or public the gov screws you in the end, im sure someones getting a healthy kickback along the way. we should keep a list of locations that know what theyre doing keep a few dollars from going to those that dont.
try your MPP in an elction year you might get a result.

[4family]

Is there any documentation to confirm this?

I just spoke to a dealer and they said they did have to collect sales tax. They said they wouldn't have to collect it if the car was put on a flatbed or trailer and then imported?

I seem to have this problem with many states. I've been given 3 different answers from 3 different dealers in michigan regarding this.

I also have purchased 2 vehicles in Pennsylvania and state tax was not collected for out of state purchasers. I was given a temporary "in-transit" tag. You can call the Pennsylvania DMV to confirm, or ask the dealer to do that for you.

[4family]

I know my friend and I were looking at some Miami cars and were told to avoid paying tax on the car without shipping it you could bring down an Alberta In Transit tag.

That is not legal in Florida and any dealer who would try to get around the rules would be shady. Any vehicle picked up in Florida from a dealer must have Florida tax collected. For a private sale, you have to pay tax if you go to the Florida DMV for a temporary tag; if you could get a Canadian temp tag ahead of time that might work. There is no tax if the vehicle is shipped or delivered across state lines.

[careh]

"I'm working with Monsieurmaggot on compiling a list of taxes payable from various US states that is posted on his site.

http://monsieurmaggot.com/USstates.html

[michelb]

With shipping and importing costs factored in, I'm surprised to hear your vehicle is still cheaper than a NA-sourced vehicle. GST and Duty is still applicable. I wasn't aware that Transport Canada would allow you to license a non-North American spec'd vehicle. Did RIV ask you where the vehicle was sourced? Assuming there's nothing underhanded going on, how much would you really save?

Buying a vehicle in Alberta is useless to non-residents since provincial taxes are still payable when the vehicle is eventually plated.

This probably depends on the province but in Ontario at least, it's not correct. In Ontario, if you register a vehicle that is already registered in your name in another jurisdiction, it's a transfer, not a new registration and there is no taxes payable for a transfer (i.e. if you register a vehicle in Alberta and then register it in Ontario, you don't pay tax).

[baileyr]

This probably depends on the province but in Ontario at least, it's not correct. In Ontario, if you register a vehicle that is already registered in your name in another jurisdiction, it's a transfer, not a new registration and there is no taxes payable for a transfer (i.e. if you register a vehicle in Alberta and then register it in Ontario, you don't pay tax).

That is true in most places. But if you live out of province and import the vehicle in Alberta, you won't be able to register it in Alberta - since you are not a resident.

So your scenario wouldn't apply.

YMMV

[bomberman447]

"I'm working with Monsieurmaggot on compiling a list of taxes payable from various US states that we'll soon be posting on his site. In the meantime, here's a preview". I built it from responses from each state. The format does not come though correctly on this post - it will be formatted correctly on monsieurmaggot's web site.
SNIP

Awesome work guys. This chart will be very helpful. The only thing is with Florida, I know my friend had spoken to a couple dealers a couple weeks ago and they had said that if he brought an alberta in transit tag, they would not charge him tax. It this the case, or do they count that as some kind of shipping document or something?

[phlegm2]

"I'm working with Monsieurmaggot on compiling a list of taxes payable from various US states that we'll soon be posting on his site. In the meantime, here's a preview". I built it from responses from each state. The format does not come though correctly on this post - it will be formatted correctly on monsieurmaggot's web site...

Thanks very much for this - it will be a fantastic resource as the question comes up quite a bit in this forum.

[phlegm2]

Hi Folks - Final update on this: a Safetey Standards Certificate (SSC) IS required for imports from the US, even if the car is new.

The website indicates that if a vehicle is "registered" in another country, then it requires the SSC. Fact is, any new car you buy in the US will be registered, and thus we will never be listed as the original owners.

The reply from the regional manager for Service Ontario after checking the vehicle history on microfilm:
"In both cases the documentation shows that you were not the first owner of the vehicles. They were registered to a dealership or dealerships in the state before you purchased them. In this case, as you will see on the website, current policy is that if a vehicle has been registered in another province or state before coming to Ontario it must have a safety certificate in order to be registered in Ontario."

As a private citizen, buying for own use, I'm not sure how you obtain original ownership without a dealership being involved first. (I suspect even special order vehicles are registered to the dealer first?)

In any event, if you didn't have to get an SSC, consider yourself lucky. From my investigation, those who were not asked for an SSC were actually in violation of policy, so enjoy the savings. :)

[careh]

Awesome work guys. This chart will be very helpful. The only thing is with Florida, I know my friend had spoken to a couple dealers a couple weeks ago and they had said that if he brought an alberta in transit tag, they would not charge him tax. It this the case, or do they count that as some kind of shipping document or something?

From what Florida told me - you have to take possession of the car outside Florida to avoid the tax.

My source is:

The full amount of Florida sales tax is imposed on the sales price of each vehicle to be exported to territories or foreign countries, when the vehicle is delivered to the purchaser or his representative in Florida. Tax does not apply if the vehicle is irrevocably committed to the exportation process by the dealer at the time of sale, and such process is continuous and unbroken.

Therefore, if a motor vehicle dealer arranges shipment of a motor vehicle to a location outside of Florida, the transaction is exempt from Florida sales and use tax. However, if the purchaser or the purchaser’s representative takes possession of the vehicle in Florida, even though the intent is to move the vehicle out of Florida, sales tax applies.
TaxInformation@dor.state.fl.us Feb, 2012

[wushudrew]

Im going to be importing a Subaru WRX in the next couple of months and so far have found the experience with Karl from Van Bortel in Rochester to be quite positive aside from the $750 fee. Does anyone know what sort of negotiation can be done on the price of the car or the price of accessories/options? The documents he sent me seem to imply that the price of the car is non-negotiable.

Also, a more important question: my insurance rep says that they cannot insure the car until it is registered in Ontario, meaning that from the dealership back to home and to the inspection lot the car is uninsured. What can be done about this? Thanks in advance!

[Prod1gy]

I've been following this thread for a while, and I've come to the conclusion that if you want to buy a NEW car and don't want to go through the hassles of registering the car first in the states, the easiest way is to get an Amerifriend to purchase on your behalf out-of-state.

Several RFD members have confirmed this is possible, BUT, it appears some people are reporting that dealers are not providing the MSO/MCO to even American buyers if they are from out-of-state (insisting to forward it to their home state's DMV directly). I was wondering if anyone has successfully gone the "friend" route as of late, and managed to get the dealer to provide the MSO/MCO directly to your Amerifriend.

I am particularly interested in Audi's closer to Montana, but would love to hear about anyone's experience. Thanks.

[xyzzzz]

Hypothetically speaking, what repercussions if any, would happen if you fail the Federal Inspection @ Canadian Tire on your Form 2 during the first visit?

Do you have to re-register in order to get a new Form 2 or just pay out of pocket for the second inspection?

[Monsieurmaggot]

I've been following this thread for a while, and I've come to the conclusion that if you want to buy a NEW car and don't want to go through the hassles of registering the car first in the states, the easiest way is to get an Amerifriend to purchase on your behalf out-of-state.

Several RFD members have confirmed this is possible, BUT, it appears some people are reporting that dealers are not providing the MSO/MCO to even American buyers if they are from out-of-state (insisting to forward it to their home state's DMV directly). I was wondering if anyone has successfully gone the "friend" route as of late, and managed to get the dealer to provide the MSO/MCO directly to your Amerifriend.

I am particularly interested in Audi's closer to Montana, but would love to hear about anyone's experience. Thanks.

This tactic doesn't always work. Your Amerifriend will need to provide proof of residency (a driver's license) and depending on what state the vehicle is purchased, he would need to pay sales tax. I understand that states like NJ, Connecticut and NY will charge sales tax and report the sale and provide the original MCO to the purchasers' state. The purchaser can them claim a refund through a recipricating agreement and get a proper plate. In those cases, the purchaser never sees the MCO.

[Prod1gy]

This tactic doesn't always work. Your Amerifriend will need to provide proof of residency (a driver's license) and depending on what state the vehicle is purchased, he would need to pay sales tax. I understand that states like NJ, Connecticut and NY will charge sales tax and report the sale and provide the original MCO to the purchasers' state. The purchaser can them claim a refund through a recipricating agreement and get a proper plate. In those cases, the purchaser never sees the MCO.

The key to this tactic is getting your American friend (that is actually a US resident) to purchase from a state with no reciprocity agreement with his own. For example, my friend lives in New York, but I conduct the transaction over the phone with a dealer from Montana. I believe the Montana dealership cannot perform the registration in New York, and therefore no sales tax will be charged until my friend actually performs the registration himself.

The key is to have my friend sell the car to me BEFORE he registers the car in New York. That way, no US sales tax will get charged. The issue is getting the MCO where the dealers may insist on forwarding to the NY DMV directly. My understanding is that in the past, the MCO would be given to the purchaser and it would be their own responsibility to register the car in their home state, but now to crack down on exports, they will forward the MCO directly. I'm just wondering if anyone has run into this issue, and whether there's any good reason to tell the dealer why you would want the MCO and for them not to forward it.

[Prod1gy]

By the way, here is a useful link to figure out which states of reciprocity agreements

http://www.streamlinedsalestax.org/

Just make sure that your friend and the state you buy from aren't on the same list. It may be possible that some other states have their own agreements, it might take more research, or you might be able to coax it out of the dealer. Even better, if people here have done it, they can let us know which states don't have reciprocity.

[felisha]

When importing a car from the States, do I have to go through a border crossing that's between my province of residence and the States? I live in Quebec, can I go through Fort Erie or Lansdowne between Ontario and the States?
Thanks!

[phlegm2]

When importing a car from the States, do I have to go through a border crossing that's between my province of residence and the States? I live in Quebec, can I go through Fort Erie or Lansdowne between Ontario and the States?
Thanks!

You are free to use whichever crossing works for you. That said, you'll want to confirm the hours of operation for imports and exports at a given crossing. For example, at Queenston/Lewiston, the US side will process exports only on M-F, 0800-1600 while the Canadian side is 7x24. (Going from memory on this - plz correct me if I'm wrong.) So, in this case, the US side of things is the limiting factor, and you'll have to ensure you cross at the right times.

I'm also not 100% certain if all crossings can process vehicle exports/imports. You'll want to call the crossing to confirm.

[phlegm2]

Hypothetically speaking, what repercussions if any, would happen if you fail the Federal Inspection @ Canadian Tire on your Form 2 during the first visit?

Do you have to re-register in order to get a new Form 2 or just pay out of pocket for the second inspection?

In theory you can apply modifications and get additional inspections an unlimited amount of times wihin the 45 day period, but you have to pay each time.

Here's a quote from the RIV FAQ:
"If a vehicle fails the RIV inspection, deficiencies must be corrected and the vehicle will be re-inspected. Current fee is $56.50 per re-inspection.

Vehicles that are ultimately unable to pass the RIV inspection process must be exported back to the United States. If it is apparent that a vehicle will not be able to pass the RIV inspection process within 45 days (or 1 year for salvage vehicles) from the date of import, contact RIV immediately."

[decoy411]

Could someone tell me where to find informations on how to buy privately at distance.

Like I want to buy a car from a person in Florida while I'm in Canada and don't want to
go there.

What is the safest complete process of doing it ?

Thx

[felisha]

You are free to use whichever crossing works for you. That said, you'll want to confirm the hours of operation for imports and exports at a given crossing. For example, at Queenston/Lewiston, the US side will process exports only on M-F, 0800-1600 while the Canadian side is 7x24. (Going from memory on this - plz correct me if I'm wrong.) So, in this case, the US side of things is the limiting factor, and you'll have to ensure you cross at the right times.

I'm also not 100% certain if all crossings can process vehicle exports/imports. You'll want to call the crossing to confirm.

Thank you for the reply!

[careh]

Could someone tell me where to find informations on how to buy privately at distance.

Like I want to buy a car from a person in Florida while I'm in Canada and don't want to
go there.

What is the safest complete process of doing it ?

Thx

There are CDN car import dealers that will handle the whole thing for you. ... At a price of course.

Still I am guessing they ...should... be lower in price than regular new/used car dealers here. One in Manitoba is Nott Auto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSBtn3QYMJM&lr=1&feature=mhee

[consumerPI]

The $750 fee from Van Bortel in Rochester is clearly a douchy gouge charge. $750 to complete paperwork? What's next, real estate agents charging a paperwork fee as well? Fail.


Im going to be importing a Subaru WRX in the next couple of months and so far have found the experience with Karl from Van Bortel in Rochester to be quite positive aside from the $750 fee. Does anyone know what sort of negotiation can be done on the price of the car or the price of accessories/options? The documents he sent me seem to imply that the price of the car is non-negotiable.

Also, a more important question: my insurance rep says that they cannot insure the car until it is registered in Ontario, meaning that from the dealership back to home and to the inspection lot the car is uninsured. What can be done about this? Thanks in advance!

[minyeppy]

I am lost and need a desperate help on this.

My father has 07 Jeep 4x4 from US and now the car is here in Toronto. (he is visiting)
I am buying a new car in Canada and my father wants to help me with his car for trade in.
Dealer doesn't take US registered car and requires form 1 and 2 in order to trade the car.

I have been looking at the forums, and made few phone calls.
Found out that he has to report for export at US border which he didn't because he wasnt' planing to sell the car.

What's my options here? Dose he have to take the 72 hour export procedure in order to get form 1?
or can he just go Canadian custom near my place and get form 1?

or does any agency do this for us with some costs? (if any please refer me one..)

Or is it better off selling the car to some used car shop in US near border?

Please help me on this as I am totally lost.

Thank you very much RFDers!!

[leafnation5]

The $750 fee from Van Bortel in Rochester is clearly a douchy gouge charge. $750 to complete paperwork? What's next, real estate agents charging a paperwork fee as well? Fail.

If they give better prices than others after charging $750, wouldn't it a better deal?

[fountainpen]

I am lost and need a desperate help on this.

My father has 07 Jeep 4x4 from US and now the car is here in Toronto. (he is visiting)
I am buying a new car in Canada and my father wants to help me with his car for trade in.
Dealer doesn't take US registered car and requires form 1 and 2 in order to trade the car.

I have been looking at the forums, and made few phone calls.
Found out that he has to report for export at US border which he didn't because he wasnt' planing to sell the car.

What's my options here? Dose he have to take the 72 hour export procedure in order to get form 1?
or can he just go Canadian custom near my place and get form 1?

or does any agency do this for us with some costs? (if any please refer me one..)

Or is it better off selling the car to some used car shop in US near border?

I am facing a similar situation soon myself.Here is my 2 cents

Would his car be worth more as trade-in in the Border town US side?

Would the car you are interested in sell for a higher price in Canada?


Please help me on this as I am totally lost.

Thank you very much RFDers!!

if yes for both questions,ask him to go back trade in for your chosen car stateside and import just only once,I suggest.Make sense?

[Monsieurmaggot]

I am lost and need a desperate help on this.

My father has 07 Jeep 4x4 from US and now the car is here in Toronto. (he is visiting)
I am buying a new car in Canada and my father wants to help me with his car for trade in.
Dealer doesn't take US registered car and requires form 1 and 2 in order to trade the car.

I have been looking at the forums, and made few phone calls.
Found out that he has to report for export at US border which he didn't because he wasnt' planing to sell the car.

What's my options here? Dose he have to take the 72 hour export procedure in order to get form 1?
or can he just go Canadian custom near my place and get form 1?

or does any agency do this for us with some costs? (if any please refer me one..)

Or is it better off selling the car to some used car shop in US near border?

Please help me on this as I am totally lost.

Thank you very much RFDers!!

The Jeep is still registered as a US vehicle. Unless you get the vehicle exported to Canada you can't sell it here.

Also, in order to get FORM1, you will need to pay GST on the vehicle. Since your uncle could technically gift the vehicle to you, the amount will be scrutinized by Canada Customs. As I always say, be careful on what the declared value will be since you could be charged with tax aversion by Canada Customs. That's where you are willing to pay tax but not truthfully declaring the value.

You can forego getting the vehicle registered in Canada but you won't be able to sell it until the RIV process is completed. The dealer will ask to see FORM1 and FORM2 or can simply look at the RIV sticker on the vehicle. If you have provincial ownership papers then the vehicle is Canadian regardless of where it was acquired.

An important note to ponder: If you follow these steps, your trade-in value is deducted from the new vehicle purchase so essentially dropping the total GST tax payable. You should factor those savings before you blindly sell the vehicle in the US. Importing the car might prove to be beneficial to your bottom line.

Also, why on earth would you pay someone to bring the vehicle to Canada Customs to get Form1 filled in? It's completely free. You will pay a $205 RIV fee and GST regardless of who fills in FORM1. I would bet that the person who does this for you will also charge you extra for that paperwork. DO IT YOURSELF.

[Monsieurmaggot]

If they give better prices than others after charging $750, wouldn't it a better deal?

He He, good one.

It's true.

[tyrrell]

In the process of importing a used 2011 nissan maxima from Ohio.

Any help will be appreciated.

Just wondering how the payment process would work.

I have put a down payment of $1000 on the vehicle. I am looking to bring the rest with me upon pickup of the vehicle in the form of a bank draft/cashiers cheque. The dealership wants payment on the vehicle before I am given the title to the vehicle. In terms of the 72 hour wait, is this doable. I.e. can they simply fax the border crossing saying I will be exporting the car without the vehicle being titled in my name? Or is my only option to wire transfer them the full amount.

I am buying from a Nissan dealership, however I am not sure how comfortable I am with wire transferring the full amount before I pick up the car.

Thanks

[phlegm2]

In the process of importing a used 2011 nissan maxima from Ohio.

Any help will be appreciated.

Just wondering how the payment process would work.

I have put a down payment of $1000 on the vehicle. I am looking to bring the rest with me upon pickup of the vehicle in the form of a bank draft/cashiers cheque. The dealership wants payment on the vehicle before I am given the title to the vehicle. In terms of the 72 hour wait, is this doable. I.e. can they simply fax the border crossing saying I will be exporting the car without the vehicle being titled in my name? Or is my only option to wire transfer them the full amount.

I am buying from a Nissan dealership, however I am not sure how comfortable I am with wire transferring the full amount before I pick up the car.

Thanks

At the Queenston-Lewiston crossing you no longer need to fax anything. I only had to email them the VIN and vehicle description 72 hrs ahead of time. The title/CO document wasn't needed until I physically arrived at the US border. I would assume the process is identical at all US crossings, but call your intended one to check.

As for payment, I bring a bank draft a.k.a. a "bank check" in the US, with me because I like to confirm all is good before handing over the money. I trust my dealer (bought 2 cars from them at this point), so I was probably safe to wire transfer.

There is a lot of debate (and misinformation) out there about bringing bank drafts across the border - I'm sure you recall seeing the US form where you must declare monetary instruments in excess of $10K. While cash and other negotiable items definitely must be declared, a bank check payable to a specific person (business entity) does not - the form itself indicates this.

Search for my previous posts for more detail.

Don't take my word for it though - seek legal advice or wire the money in advance as an alternative.

[Ottawa_Robbie]

So between the Japan earthquake effect on Subaru's supply chain, plus the Van Bortel Canadian tax, I've begun looking at the Kia Optima. It appears they're now being produced in the US which would be a bonus re: no duty. I'm curious if anyone has any experience bringing a Kia north, specifically towards Ottawa.
Cheers,

- Rob

[smacd]

So between the Japan earthquake effect on Subaru's supply chain, plus the Van Bortel Canadian tax, I've begun looking at the Kia Optima. It appears they're now being produced in the US which would be a bonus re: no duty. I'm curious if anyone has any experience bringing a Kia north, specifically towards Ottawa.
Cheers,

- Rob

Isn't Kia a voided warranty scenario, like Hyundai?

[ecgz88]

so which 3rd party warranty will cover US new imported car in canada (like Acura/Nissan)? ;)

[fayenet]

okay, I bought a used car in the states, it took about 4 - 5 days to clear the wire transfer. And now it's been 6 days for "preparing the title document". Anyone has an idea how long it normally takes to have the title transferred in the states? I read online ppl are saying it'd be weeks. The dealer said it would not be that long but he didn't want to give an exact date either...

[cheekofruit]

I am looking to import New Porsche Cayenne Diesel or Mercedes ML350 Blue Tec and called the dealers in buffalo and new york and michigan and they all told me that they cannot sell new vehicles to Canadians.

Anyone has any experience in importing brand new Porsche Cayenne Diesel or Mercedes ML350 Blue Tec

[Mr. Mayhew]

Mercedes and Porsche are VERY sticky about who they sell to, even if you have US ID they will generally try to charge you sales tax.
I have a few solid dealers for Porsche under my belt (thanks to a few new 911 Turbo S's, Cayennes and other high ticket buys), but mercedes is still hard.
Be prepared to pay a few thousand OVER U.S msrp (before import costs and our charge) as these are very popular chinese export cars and they get all the money in the world for them. We may have better luck as they are diesel...but won't know until we try to buy one.
Send me a PM and I'll see what i can put together for you

[tyrrell]

so which 3rd party warranty will cover US new imported car in canada (like Acura/Nissan)? ;)

Nissan covers warranty, just has to be slightly used. As long as your ok with that, its not an issue.

2 companies i look into are Ensurall and WarrantyDirect

IIRC Ensurall was cheaper, also they seem to offer end of month "sales", something like 300 off a policy

[Mr. Mayhew]

Nissan covers warranty, just has to be slightly used. As long as your ok with that, its not an issue.

2 companies i look into are Ensurall and WarrantyDirect

IIRC Ensurall was cheaper, also they seem to offer end of month "sales", something like 300 off a policy

Nissan will cover warranty after vehicle has been registered for 6 months in the USA.

BE WEARY OF 3rd PARTY WARRANTY COMPANIES and only deal with ones backed by insurance companies. They come and go all the time, and if uninsured you are hooped.

I offer only two 3rd party companies now, which i have had customers use and have had no complaints for. Which are FCCP (first canadian) and SAL/IAP(simplifi). Both are insured, both are longstanding, both offer EXTENSIVE coverage and both allow aftersales (so you aren't required to buy the warranty at the time of vehicle purchase).

FCCP allows you to finance their warranties at 0% interest.
SAL includes roadside assistance, trip interruption coverage, rental coverage, and transferability with all their warranties.

I sell a lot more SAL as they have a more solid reputation and are a sister company of the massive IAP (industrial alliance pacific) insurance company.
If anyone needs approx pricing on these warranties, PM me.

[goodzyk]

okay, I bought a used car in the states, it took about 4 - 5 days to clear the wire transfer. And now it's been 6 days for "preparing the title document". Anyone has an idea how long it normally takes to have the title transferred in the states? I read online ppl are saying it'd be weeks. The dealer said it would not be that long but he didn't want to give an exact date either...

depends on who holds the title document - if its with a previous finance company or bank, could take three weeks or so as physical title could be held out of state at the bank or finance company's processing center. If it was held as security for the auto dealers loans by a local bank- guessing sevral days once they pay of title. Wire transfer shouldnt have taken that long to clear - usually one to three days max.

[teresacute]

I bought my Subaru from Karl back in Dec 2007. Wonderful experience. Now, I'm ready to import another one but not sure which one to buy:
Subaru -- No manufacturer incentives + $750 Karl fee == Still good deals to have?
Toyoya -- Dealers (within reasonable driving distance from Toronro) won't sell to Canadians?
Honda -- Manufacturer warranty not honoured in Canada?
So, do people still buy from Karl these days? Any other car brand that is reasonably easy to import? Please advise. Thanks a million!

[koffey]

There doesn't appear to to a lot of savings when considering a full size pickup. I checked both GM/RAM/FORD and all the prices seem to be in the same range in the U.S as in Canada (huge incentives). Anyone have any experience in importing a full size into Canada? What was the savings and what did you get?

[Dreyfus]

"I'm working with Monsieurmaggot on compiling a list of taxes payable from various US states that we'll soon be posting on his site. In the meantime, here's a preview". I built it from responses from each state. The format does not come though correctly on this post - it will be formatted correctly on monsieurmaggot's web site.

Sales Tax Information for vehicles being exported from US states to Canada
Last revision 03/19/12
This information has been obtained from contacts in each state and is subject to change. The assumption is you are a Canadian and are buying a vehicle in a US state and you intend to immediately drive it back to Canada or have it shipped back to Canada and then have it registered in Canada.
State policies for avoiding state sales tax differ with some allowing you to drive the vehicle out of the state within a short period of time while others require you to have the vehicle delivered to you outside the state – meaning you have the dealer drive the vehicle just over the state line – while you drive the dealer's vehicle. At that location you exchange documents – and vehicles.
Some states want a form filled in. See form links located below the table.
Note that you need to have temporary Canadian insurance and vehicle registration on the vehicle before you drive it. This is sometimes called a 'binder policy'. Contact your provincial registrar / vehicle insurer for details on what is required. A subsequent page – under development – will describe how to get this binder policy.

The following states have no sales tax on vehicles – thus you can go there, buy a vehicle, and drive it out of the state (once you have the temporary registration and insurance policy from your Canadian insurer). Alaska, Delaware, Hawaii, Montana, New Hampshire, Oregon.

The following states require you to pay their sales tax on vehicles unless you have the dealer ship the car to you in Canada. Georgia. See details below.

This table lists the states that allow for exemptions on sales tax provided you follow their rules.

The format does not come though correctly on this post - it will be formatted correctly on monsieurmaggot's web site.

State ..|..You can drive it from the state..|.. The dealer has to ship it out of state..|.. Form Required..|.. Maximum time to remove it from state
Alabama.............. X .................................................. ............................... Form............................ 72 hours
Arizona................ X .................................................. .............................. Form ................................90 days
Arkansas.............. X
California........................................ ............... X
Colorado.............. X .................................................. .................................................. ..... 45 days
Connecticut......... X .................................................. .............................. Form
Florida........................................... ............. X
Georgia........................................... ............ X
Idaho................. X .................................................. .............................. Form
Illinois................. X
Indiana........................................... ..................... X................................... Form
Iowa.................. X
Kansas................... X .................................................. .............................. Form ................................10 days
Kentucky............. X
Louisiana............ X .................................................. .................................................. ..... 5 days
Maine................. X .................................................. .................................................. .... immediate
Maryland............. X
Massachusetts ................................................. X
Michigan............. X .................................................. .............................. Form
Minnesota........... X .................................................. .................................................. ........ immediate
Mississipp............ X .................................................. .................................................. ........... 2 days
Missouri............... X
Nebraska ............. X .................................................. .................................................. .... 30 days
Nevada............... X .................................................. ..................................... Form
New Jersey .................................................. ...... X
New Mexico......... X
New York ................X .................................................. ................................. Form
North Carolina.......... X
North Dakota........ X
Ohio................... X
Oklahoma ................X
Pennsylvania............. X
Rhode Island................ X
South Carolina..... X................................................. .............................. Form ...............................10 days
South Dakota...... X
Tennessee.......... X................................................. .............................. Form ...............................3 days
Texas................. X .................................................. .............................. Form ................................immediate
Utah................... X .................................................. .............................. Form
Vermont............. X
Virginia................ X
Washington ................X .................................................. .............................. Form............................. immediate
West Virginia............. X
Wisconsin.................. X .................................................. .................................................. ...... immediate
Wyoming.............. X................................................. ....................................... Form........................... 30 days

 
Forms Required
Alabama: http://www.revenue.alabama.gov/salestax/stforms.html
Arizona: Sale to a non-resident form: http://www.azdor.gov/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=D2DBCOCQxt4%3d&tabid=264&mid=868
Arizona Delivery out of state form: http://www.azdor.gov/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=wyrWtAQp5ks%3d&tabid=264&mid=868
Connecticut: http://www.certcapture.com/files/certificates/CT/CERT-125-Sales%20and%20Use%20Tax%20Exemption%20for%20a%20Mo tor%20Vehicle%20by%20a%20Nonresident%20of%20Connec ticut.pdf
Idaho: http://tax.idaho.gov/forms/EFO00115_12-16-2010.pdf
Indiana: https://forms.in.gov/Download.aspx?id=7261
Kentucky (page 32 of this document): http://www.ksrevenue.org/pdf/pub1526.pdf#xml=http://search.ksrevenue.org/texis/search/pdfhi.txt?query=st+8b&pr=KSRevenue&prox=page&rorder=500&rprox=500&rdfreq=500&rwfreq=500&rlead=500&rdepth=0&sufs=0&order=r&cq=&id=4f5726167
Michigan: Form is needed only for private sales
Nevada: http://www.azdor.gov/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=D2DBCOCQxt4%3d&tabid=264&mid=868
New York: http://www.tax.ny.gov/pdf/current_forms/st/dtf820.pdf
South Carolina: http://www.sctax.org/NR/rdonlyres/3C38A1CC-A308-4A91-8F0E-56BE29426DA1/0/ST385.pdf
Tennessee: Dealer has ‘3 day removal’ form
Texas: http://www.window.state.tx.us/taxinfo/taxforms/14-312.pdf
Utah: http://tax.utah.gov/forms/current/tc-721a.pdf
Washington: Dealer has Buyer's Affidavit and Seller's Certificate (In-State Delivery) forms.
Wyoming: http://revenue.state.wy.us/PortalVBVS/uploads/Form%20105a%20-%20Affidavit%20Exclusive%20Use%20of%20MV%20Outside %20WY.pdf

For Georgia – the following advice was provided: In general, the only way a Canadian could purchase a vehicle exempt in this state would be to have a shipping company pick up the vehicle at the dealership and deliver the vehicle to the buyer in Canada. As long as the vehicle remains with the shipper from the dealership to Canada, the sale will not be taxable to GA. The Canadian buyer absolutely cannot take delivery of the vehicle in GA. Shipping can be paid for by either the seller or the buyer. In most instances, bills of lading, invoices, and similar documents can support the transaction. OCGA 48-8-2; 48-8-30; 48-8-77.

The form from Pennsylvania DMV for Temp Registration plate is MV-351 (6-10) Dealer only application. Note the price $5.
Link http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/forms/motorvehicleforms.shtml

[G55man]

I'm looking to import a 2-3 year old Mercedes or an Audi, has anyone had experience importing either of these vehicles lately? Specifically if the warranty is still valid and what modifications if any had to be done.

I've read that Mercedes make you go through them for letters and any work that has to be done which can be quite costly. I believe certain Mercedes are manufactured in the US so I would save the 6% duty.

Thanks

[Mr. Mayhew]

I'm looking to import a 2-3 year old Mercedes or an Audi, has anyone had experience importing either of these vehicles lately? Specifically if the warranty is still valid and what modifications if any had to be done.

I've read that Mercedes make you go through them for letters and any work that has to be done which can be quite costly. I believe certain Mercedes are manufactured in the US so I would save the 6% duty.

Thanks

Audi will honour the warranty without issue, Mercedes will only honour the warranty if your perform the modifications requested by MB Canada, which generally speaking will run from $2k-$5k, plus compliance and recall letters. If purchasing Mercedes, the best way to go is to get a recall letter from your selling dealer (if they are a MB dealer. if not you can buy recall letters from third parties, such as myself) so you can import the vehicle, then purchase a 3rd party warranty. If you live close to the border, then a quick trip down to the US whenever warranty issues arise will save you the cost of a third party warranty. Recalls and servicing are all done at your local dealer without issue, whether you performed the modifications required by MB or not.

Unless you are buying a late registered 2011 or 2012, don't bother with the MB modifications, as $2-5k for a year or two of warranty is not worth it (IMO)
hope this helps!

[Monsieurmaggot]

The State information has finally been updated and all known and current data is now available online.

Check it out.

Thanks to careh for his valuable contribution.

Go here for the pages:

http://monsieurmaggot.com/USstates.html

[kammas]

You may want to search against my previous posts, but I'll give you a quick Volvo summary here:

-US warranty is honoured in Canada
-You should not need to make any modifications to the vehicle - just ensure you have the dash display set to "current speed" in km/h during the Canadian Tire inspection. DRL and immobilizer are compliant with RIV requirements.
-Although some border dealers (New York state in my case) said they couldn't sell new to Canadians, I had no issue via a dealer in Pennsylvania.
-Volvo US offers a free maintenance plan (for 5 years!) which wasn't honoured in Canada, but Volvo Canada recently announced the free maintenance plan for new 2012 Canadian vehicles. I need to check if my US 2012 vehicle is now eligible. You may wish to check this by calling Volvo Canada head office. Would be a nice bonus.
-You will pay a 6.1% duty on Volvo at the border as it is not a NAFTA vehicle (made in Sweden).
-As per the RIV (www.riv.ca), Volvo Canada expects you to get a Canadian "inspection" in order to get a Recall Clearance Letter. I've heard quotes on this "inspection" that range form $250-750. Instead of paying for this flagrant rip-off (where the Canadian Volvo dealer literally does nothing), have the US dealer run a recall query against their service database. This is a sufficient alternative to a recall clearance letter (see www.riv.ca to confirm), and will save you the money. You do NOT need to do anything at a Canadian Volvo dealer during the import process.

That's all the Volvo-specific stuff I can think of. In general, it is a pretty good candidate for importation as there are relatively few blocks by Volvo Canada.

Hello, in a case when there is a need to install an after market immobilizer, has anyone had the experience of doing so? What brand and model did you go with to meet compliance?

[kammas]

Hello, in a case when there is a need to install an after market immobilizer, has anyone had the experience of doing so? What brand and model did you go with to meet compliance?

In this case, I am dealing with a 4 cylinder Toyota Tacoma which is not equipped with immobilizer.

[kammas]

Audi will honour the warranty without issue, Mercedes will only honour the warranty if your perform the modifications requested by MB Canada, which generally speaking will run from $2k-$5k, plus compliance and recall letters. If purchasing Mercedes, the best way to go is to get a recall letter from your selling dealer (if they are a MB dealer. if not you can buy recall letters from third parties, such as myself) so you can import the vehicle, then purchase a 3rd party warranty. If you live close to the border, then a quick trip down to the US whenever warranty issues arise will save you the cost of a third party warranty. Recalls and servicing are all done at your local dealer without issue, whether you performed the modifications required by MB or not.

Unless you are buying a late registered 2011 or 2012, don't bother with the MB modifications, as $2-5k for a year or two of warranty is not worth it (IMO)
hope this helps!

Mr. Mayhew, how easy is it to acquire a compliance letter for a Toyota? Is that something you sell as well?

[careh]

The next table I plan to build is on individual provincial insurance and licensing requirements. This would ensure you have proper insurance and licensing to cover the vehicle while bringing it back to your home province.

Please contact me or reply back if you have **first hand** experience with your Province's procedures / rules for obtaining this coverage and with obtaining the in-transit permits from individual states.


Here is a start on the table:

All provinces - except Manitoba - want you to obtain a temporary in-transit permit from the US state where you bought the car - and to check with all states you pass through on your way back.

A temporary 'binder insurance policy' is obtained from your vehicle insurer.

In BC that is ICBC. http://www.icbc.com/registration-licensing/buy-vehicle/import-vehicle

In Saskatchewan that is SGI. You may purchase a Temporary Insurance Card (TIC); the cost is $11. The purpose of the TIC is to provide temporary insurance coverage for a vehicle that is being moved from a point outside Saskatchewan (including the USA), to the place of residence in Saskatchewan. You do not need the Vehicle Identification Number from the vehicle you are purchasing. The TIC is valid for seven days, or at the point when the vehicle is delivered to the address shown on the TIC, whichever comes first. The TIC is not a registration to drive on the road and should be accompanied by the required permit from the other jurisdictions you will be driving in. It is important to check with the jurisdiction(s) the vehicle is being moved through for their registration and insurance requirements.

If you are certain that your return date will be within those seven days, you may wish to purchase it prior to your departure. If you are uncertain of your return date, contact our Customer Service Centre at 1-800-667-9868 to see if they can arrange something with you. Their hours of operation are Monday to Friday 8 AM to 6 PM and Saturdays 9 AM to 5 PM. Please note that a TIC cannot be issued if the vehicle is being moved for business purposes. Please note that only one TIC can be issued at any one time for the vehicle being moved. They are non-refundable.
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Manitoba allows a Manitoba resident to obtain a Temporary or 'Binder' policy from Manitoba Public Insurance that is both registration and insurance. This allows you to drive the vehicle back to Manitoba from a US state (or another Canadian province). http://www.mpi.mb.ca/english/Insurance/buy_sell/purchasing_outside_MB.html The actual procedure is a bit confusing first time around. After you buy the vehicle you will be faxing the title and bill of sale to Autopac along with a voice phone number they can reach you at. Within an hour or so they will call you back to get your payment information. They then fax you a form to sign. You sign it and fax it back. Then they fax you the temporary registration and insurance.





State temporary registration (no insurance) permits and if the state automatically accepts other state temporary registrations:


Arizona You can purchase a 90 Day Nonresident Registration for $15.00 from an MVD or authorized Third Party office. You will be required to show your out-of-state identification and the dealer invoice or assigned title. http://www.azdot.gov/mvd/faqs/scripts/FAQsResponse.asp?Category=2&Keyword=

Missouri Upon purchase of a newly acquired motor vehicle, trailer, or motorcycle/motortricycle, you may purchase a temporary permit to operate the vehicle when no plates are available for transfer. (Missouri dealers can sell temporary permits to out-of-state residents only if they are purchasing motor vehicles, trailers, or motorcycles/motortricycles from their dealership). Temporary permits will be issued for a period of up to 30 days from the purchase date.
http://dor.mo.gov/motorv/buying.php#temppermit



New Hampshire Dealer can get you a temporary registration http://forums.redflagdeals.com/wow-new-used-cars-us-up-30-cheaper-read-post-1-a-307601/429/#post5775496

Pennsylvania DMV for Temp Registration plate is MV-351 (6-10) Dealer only application. Note the price $5.
Link http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/pdotforms/mv_forms/mv-351.pdf

Texas One Trip Temporary Registration Unladen vehicles needing to move temporarily on Texas highways are eligible for one-trip registration. The route must either begin or end in Texas. These permits only allow the vehicle to travel from point of origin to a point of destination and are valid for 15 days. http://www.txdot.gov/business/motor_carrier/overweight_permit/temporary.htm

Utah You would need to come into a Utah DMV office with the title and/or bill of sale showing that you purchased the vehicle and your valid driver's license. For $2.50 we can issue you a 96 hour permit. If you have any further questions please feel free to contact our Customer Service Department for further assistance from any of our phone representatives Monday - Friday from 8 a.m. - 5 p.m. at 801-297-7780 or 1-800-368-8824. Yes other state permits are accepted in Utah.

[Mr. Mayhew]

Mr. Mayhew, how easy is it to acquire a compliance letter for a Toyota? Is that something you sell as well?

Its easy for us. We get it from one of the dealers we buy all our new toyota units from. We charge $125 for a toyota recall letter, but if you found a dealer to sell you a new one, he should be able to give you a recall letter no? Let me know if you run into issues getting one. We do it instantly over the phone, or in person.

[AndrewShev]

Hey people. I'm thinking of importing a car from US. Thinking of 2008-2010 Nissan Altima. Can anyone recommend good places to shop around the border?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Then we can do one on warranties...

I added a few more links to the 'forms required' section.

http://monsieurmaggot.com/statesummary.html

[phlegm2]

Hello, in a case when there is a need to install an after market immobilizer, has anyone had the experience of doing so? What brand and model did you go with to meet compliance?

So, to confirm, Canadian Tire did the inspection, looked for, traced, and discovered there was no immobilizer? I'd be a bit surprised if that were the case.

Sometimes though, the inspection form (from the RIV) will call out specific items for Canadian Tire to look for, which would make it far more likely that a non-compliance item be found. So if your form specifically says something like "this model year Toyota requires an aftermarket immobilizer..." then you'll have to address that.

But, if not specifically called out, I would not anticipate that Canadian Tire would "find" the lack of immobilizer.

[kammas]

So, to confirm, Canadian Tire did the inspection, looked for, traced, and discovered there was no immobilizer? I'd be a bit surprised if that were the case.

Sometimes though, the inspection form (from the RIV) will call out specific items for Canadian Tire to look for, which would make it far more likely that a non-compliance item be found. So if your form specifically says something like "this model year Toyota requires an aftermarket immobilizer..." then you'll have to address that.

But, if not specifically called out, I would not anticipate that Canadian Tire would "find" the lack of immobilizer.

There was a fellow who imported a Highlander. He told me that Cdn. Tire looked to see if the 'immobilizer' lamp in the dash lit up during ignition. Based on that I thought I might have to do something other than sneak it through. I know that car stereo places install after market units. I wonder if anyone have ever had to do it and with which brand etc?

[tyrrell]

Hey people. I'm thinking of importing a car from US. Thinking of 2008-2010 Nissan Altima. Can anyone recommend good places to shop around the border?


Buffalo area dealerships I dealt with ( I ended up buying from a dealer in Ohio)

Autoplace Infiniti/Nissan - Seemed nice - seemed to have lots of experience with Canadian buyers
Cappelino Nissan - Salesmen was rude, overly pushy, tried to force me to buy a car and prices were tooo high - I would never go back!
Mike Barney Nissan - Seemed nice

Ultimately i found prices were higher in buffalo, so looked in Detroit, Cleveland and Pittsburg areas until I found what I wanted.
I ended up buying from Ken Ganley Nissan in Medina Ohio( 45 minutes from Cleveland )

[AndrewShev]

Buffalo area dealerships I dealt with ( I ended up buying from a dealer in Ohio)

Autoplace Infiniti/Nissan - Seemed nice - seemed to have lots of experience with Canadian buyers
Cappelino Nissan - Salesmen was rude, overly pushy, tried to force me to buy a car and prices were tooo high - I would never go back!
Mike Barney Nissan - Seemed nice

Ultimately i found prices were higher in buffalo, so looked in Detroit, Cleveland and Pittsburg areas until I found what I wanted.
I ended up buying from Ken Ganley Nissan in Medina Ohio( 45 minutes from Cleveland )

do you mind telling me what car you bought and was it a good deal overall?

[sudesingh]

Has any one been successful in importing a Toyota Sienna lately. Would you mind sharing the dealer / broker details or PM the details to me.

[fountainpen]

There was a fellow who imported a Highlander. He told me that Cdn. Tire looked to see if the 'immobilizer' lamp in the dash lit up during ignition. Based on that I thought I might have to do something other than sneak it through. I know that car stereo places install after market units. I wonder if anyone have ever had to do it and with which brand etc?

riv.ca says i need to get an immobilizer too for a 2009 hyundai sonata gls.
US dealer says no immobilizer available?
Any experience with fitting an immobilizer aftermarket in GTA?
There was a list somewhere but most aftermarket installers seems to be in Manitoba,some with CAA recommendation? and only a few in Ontario.

Any reason for that?

Does Manitoba has a mandatory retrofit policy for immobilizers?

[tyrrell]

do you mind telling me what car you bought and was it a good deal overall?


Bought a 2011 Nissan Maxima , premium with Nav package. Had 8k miles on it. Came with tints,a set of aftermarket rims, complete detail and a 7year 100k mile certified powertrain warranty

I paid 29565 out the door.

I figure a similar vehicle would have cost somewhere in the 35k-37k based on the prices I see on autotrader.ca with my options, miles and colour.

I figure all told I saved anywhere from $7-8k on the purchase

[RJones89]

Question: When does RIV generally update their website to allow new model years. Just trying to get an estimate of when 2013 Audi's will be allowed into Canada.

[Mr. Mayhew]

Question: When does RIV generally update their website to allow new model years. Just trying to get an estimate of when 2013 Audi's will be allowed into Canada.

Up to RIVs discretion. In my experience they update their list 2-3 months after models are released, HOWEVER i had seen 2012 Fords admissible before they were released. So kinda up in the air.

[botmi]

I have my eyes on a Hyundai Azera 2012, which is no longer sold in Canada so my first question... Is that model eligible for import? RIV says that all models are, but do they mean all US models or CA models?

Second, I have a hard time finding a dealer that would sell me a new one. Was anybody succesfull with any Hyundai dealer recently? (PM please)

If not, I will have to search for a used one or simply buy from a more CA friendly manufacturer...

[whatsinaname]

I just read the last three pages and find this very informative, thanks to all the posters. I'm in the preliminary stages of purchasing a car as my lease is due very soon, and I'm considering the option of going south. I'm going to do more reading of this thread.

One question though, if I purchase from the states, I probably won't have the financing option right (i.e. I'll have to pay the full price immediately)?

[kammas]

riv.ca says i need to get an immobilizer too for a 2009 hyundai sonata gls.
US dealer says no immobilizer available?
Any experience with fitting an immobilizer aftermarket in GTA?
There was a list somewhere but most aftermarket installers seems to be in Manitoba,some with CAA recommendation? and only a few in Ontario.

Any reason for that?

Does Manitoba has a mandatory retrofit policy for immobilizers?

These ones are approved and will meet RIV mandates
PFK Autowatch 329 Ti Immobilizer
MasterGard M6000 Immobilizer
MasterGard TK Immobilizer
Powerlock-Canada Immobilizer

[michelb]

I just read the last three pages and find this very informative, thanks to all the posters. I'm in the preliminary stages of purchasing a car as my lease is due very soon, and I'm considering the option of going south. I'm going to do more reading of this thread.

One question though, if I purchase from the states, I probably won't have the financing option right (i.e. I'll have to pay the full price immediately)?

Read post #1, then ask questions.

[botmi]

Ok, I had two questions couple posts up around the Azera and Hyundai dealers in US.

In the mean time, I got my own answers :)
RIV confirmed that "all models" is referring to all US models so even if the car you want is not sold in Canada, it will still be admissible. On my dealers question, I did find couple dealers that are willing to work with me but, and here is where I need your guys help to share some of your experience...

Couple of them said that they cannot sell me the car directly, but if I have a US friend to take over with me, then we can do the deal. However they did not want to get into the details as to how that arrangement will work, beyond the fact that I will not be paying taxes, the car will be registered in my name. Do you guys have any idea what they might be suggesting?

Warranties: All but one dealer said that my warranty will be voided. The exception guy, mentioned that I will still be able to take the car back in US for any warranty work. I also called Hyundai USA and they also confirmed that the warranty within US will be valid. Still waiting to get that in writing too, before I go any further though....

What experience do you guys have with this? Can or will any manufacturer void the US warranty because you exported the car and if yes, how would they know that you exported it?...

Thanks in advance for your help

[phlegm2]

Ok, I had two questions couple posts up around the Azera and Hyundai dealers in US.

In the mean time, I got my own answers :)
RIV confirmed that "all models" is referring to all US models so even if the car you want is not sold in Canada, it will still be admissible. On my dealers question, I did find couple dealers that are willing to work with me but, and here is where I need your guys help to share some of your experience...

Couple of them said that they cannot sell me the car directly, but if I have a US friend to take over with me, then we can do the deal. However they did not want to get into the details as to how that arrangement will work, beyond the fact that I will not be paying taxes, the car will be registered in my name. Do you guys have any idea what they might be suggesting?

Warranties: All but one dealer said that my warranty will be voided. The exception guy, mentioned that I will still be able to take the car back in US for any warranty work. I also called Hyundai USA and they also confirmed that the warranty within US will be valid. Still waiting to get that in writing too, before I go any further though....

What experience do you guys have with this? Can or will any manufacturer void the US warranty because you exported the car and if yes, how would they know that you exported it?...

Thanks in advance for your help

The scenario you mention with your Amerifriend seems odd, and I can't sort it out. If sold to an American they'd be subject to tax at some point in the chain. Or, if sold to your friend, but registered to you, perhaps they feel this can avoid the tax. However, who holds title to the vehicle in that scenario? Why won't they tell you the details?

As for warranty, always talk to the manufacturer directly, as you've done. Dealers often don't know how it works.

Finally, manufacturers don't dictate what can or cannot be imported into Canada - the RIV does. At best (worst) the mfg. can only put up barriers to discourage imports. These include withholding warranty and excessive and expensive retrofits or "inspections" to qualify for their warranty. However, nothing is forcing you to go through the manufacturers' hoops: you can import any car you want that meets the RIV criteria.

[shopper-X]

The scenario you mention with your Amerifriend seems odd, and I can't sort it out. If sold to an American they'd be subject to tax at some point in the chain. Or, if sold to your friend, but registered to you, perhaps they feel this can avoid the tax. However, who holds title to the vehicle in that scenario? Why won't they tell you the details?

As for warranty, always talk to the manufacturer directly, as you've done. Dealers often don't know how it works.

Finally, manufacturers don't dictate what can or cannot be imported into Canada - the RIV does. At best (worst) the mfg. can only put up barriers to discourage imports. These include withholding warranty and excessive and expensive retrofits or "inspections" to qualify for their warranty. However, nothing is forcing you to go through the manufacturers' hoops: you can import any car you want that meets the RIV criteria.

I was under the impression that Manufacturers had to submit the vehicle specifications to RIV to approval. So in this case Hyundai has to tell RIV what makes their vehicle admissible for them to approve it.
This is the barrier the Mfgs use to block importing. They stall the submission to RIV because they are not required to do it and it's their "good will" by allowing you to import the vehicle.

[pilot2012]

You cannot import cars to Canada unless they are older than 1 year. The only way you can is by paying a hefty duty. .....
........

Hi Can anyone tell me is this correct ? I mean if the car is made North America, there shouldn't be any duty tax right ?
I am about to buy a Honda that is only a couple months old, wondering if this is true ? It's contradict to what I've so far research done ....

Please someone tell me it's not right....

[smacd]

Hi Can anyone tell me is this correct ? I mean if the car is made North America, there shouldn't be any duty tax right ?
I am about to buy a Honda that is only a couple months old, wondering if this is true ? It's contradict to what I've so far research done ....

Please someone tell me it's not right....

Definitely not right. We imported a brand new vehicle. You will pay tax, but no duty if the vehicle is built in NA. Honda Canada will not honour the warranty on a US car. Please read post #1 as it explains the importation process thoroughly.

[michelb]

I was under the impression that Manufacturers had to submit the vehicle specifications to RIV to approval. So in this case Hyundai has to tell RIV what makes their vehicle admissible for them to approve it.
This is the barrier the Mfgs use to block importing. They stall the submission to RIV because they are not required to do it and it's their "good will" by allowing you to import the vehicle.

This is consistent with what I've heard; manufacturers supply information to the RIV on a voluntary basis (although it's likely that they also have to abide by it and / or justify it as well (e.g. Brand A tells RIV their model X can't be isn't admissible into Canada unless you do 1, 2, 3 ... in which case Brand A also can't sell model X in Canada without doing 1, 2, 3 ... do the ones they want to sell here and they can't sell in Canada until they supply the information).

[pilot2012]

This is consistent with what I've heard; manufacturers supply information to the RIV on a voluntary basis (although it's likely that they also have to abide by it and / or justify it as well (e.g. Brand A tells RIV their model X can't be isn't admissible into Canada unless you do 1, 2, 3 ... in which case Brand A also can't sell model X in Canada without doing 1, 2, 3 ... do the ones they want to sell here and they can't sell in Canada until they supply the information).

I am not sure if you are correct, I believe Manufactures have not right to imply rules that RIV(a gov like agency) have to abide. I believe RIV defines the list of admissible base on safety, canadian regulation...etc, and Manufactures will have to provide details upon request...

Anyway thanks a lot for the inputs guys.

[pilot2012]

Hi Guys you input on this is appreciated.

I am trying to buy a used Honda(ony a couple months) from a NY dealer, and import it into Canada.
The Carfax this dealer provided has the following, "Loan or lien reported"(see below),
1. Is there anyway for me to find out what Lien it is and is it cleared ? I mean, I can't just rely on what dealer tells me.
2. Is there any document/paper I can ask for the dealer to show me the lien is cleared ?
3. I haven't talked to the dealer yet, but wondering if the below list looks anything fishy to you ?

(sorry can't figure a way how to format the below table...)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date | Mileage | Source | Comments
02/03/2012 | 2 | Dealer A | Pre-delivery inspection completed
03/23/2012 | 3 | Dealer A | Pre-delivery inspection completed
03/24/2012 | 6 | Dealer A Vehicle sold
03/24/2012 | Motor Vehicle Dept., NY(DMV) | Registration issued or renewed. Registered aspersonal vehicle. Passed safety inspection.
03/27/2012 | Dealer A | Vehicle sold
04/20/2012 | Motor Vehicle Dept., NY(DMV) | Title issued or updated. New owner reported. Loan or lien reported.
04/28/2012 | 745 | Dealer A | Vehicle offered for sale
04/30/2012 | Dealer A | Vehicle offered for sale
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[botmi]

To me it does not look fishy. The previous owner had some financing on it probably...

But let's see what the others are saying.

[botmi]

The scenario you mention with your Amerifriend seems odd, and I can't sort it out. If sold to an American they'd be subject to tax at some point in the chain. Or, if sold to your friend, but registered to you, perhaps they feel this can avoid the tax. However, who holds title to the vehicle in that scenario? Why won't they tell you the details?

Ok, I went back to the dealer demanding to be explained in detail how this will be done as my Amerifriend needs to know if he can help me or not. We'll see what he has in mind...or if the whole thing falls thorugh

[smacd]

Hi Guys you input on this is appreciated.

I am trying to buy a used Honda(ony a couple months) from a NY dealer, and import it into Canada.
The Carfax this dealer provided has the following, "Loan or lien reported"(see below),
1. Is there anyway for me to find out what Lien it is and is it cleared ? I mean, I can't just rely on what dealer tells me.
2. Is there any document/paper I can ask for the dealer to show me the lien is cleared ?
3. I haven't talked to the dealer yet, but wondering if the below list looks anything fishy to you ?

(sorry can't figure a way how to format the below table...)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date | Mileage | Source | Comments
02/03/2012 | 2 | Dealer A | Pre-delivery inspection completed
03/23/2012 | 3 | Dealer A | Pre-delivery inspection completed
03/24/2012 | 6 | Dealer A Vehicle sold
03/24/2012 | Motor Vehicle Dept., NY(DMV) | Registration issued or renewed. Registered aspersonal vehicle. Passed safety inspection.
03/27/2012 | Dealer A | Vehicle sold
04/20/2012 | Motor Vehicle Dept., NY(DMV) | Title issued or updated. New owner reported. Loan or lien reported.
04/28/2012 | 745 | Dealer A | Vehicle offered for sale
04/30/2012 | Dealer A | Vehicle offered for sale
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

All liens must be cleared before you submit the vin to the US side to be able to export the car legally. If there's still a lien on it, they won't allow you to export it.

[Sloan55]

All liens must be cleared before you submit the vin to the US side to be able to export the car legally. If there's still a lien on it, they won't allow you to export it.

Ask for a copy of the title, if there is a lien on the vehicle, it will be recorded on the front. If the lien has been satisfied there is a section on the front of the title that the lien is released on and it should be filled out and/or stamped. Also, you can ask the selling dealer for the original lien release letter as well

[Chris03]

Can anyone give me some info on 2013 Infiniti SUV imported into Canada?

Can we buy new? dealer near Queenston/Lewiston
Duty on the JX? I think its built in the USA
Warranty.. I read is good in both USA and Canada...right?
Any mods to do...like DLR?

Thanks
Chris

[botmi]

Ok, I went back to the dealer demanding to be explained in detail how this will be done as my Amerifriend needs to know if he can help me or not. We'll see what he has in mind...or if the whole thing falls thorugh

Here is a section of the email I received from Hyundai US:
"The written warranties for Hyundai Motor America vehicles applies to vehicles manufactured to United States specifications which are distributed by Hyundai Motor America and registered and normally operated in the United States.* Because you are a resident of Canada purchasing a Hyundai in the United States, your vehicle would not be eligible to receive the benefits of the Hyundai Motor America written limited warranties.*"

...so bye bye Hyundai...you lost yourself a client

[Deemo]

Importing my third car in the last few years - personal use.
Has anyone imported at Roosville north of Whitefish?

Not listed on RIV as an option on their checklist dropdown but there are detailed instructions at ucanimport.com

Thanks

[smacd]

Importing my third car in the last few years - personal use.
Has anyone imported at Roosville north of Whitefish?

Not listed on RIV as an option on their checklist dropdown but there are detailed instructions at ucanimport.com

Thanks

I did at Kingsgate. I'm sure you can at Roosville, too. Call them at (800) 461-9999

[pilot2012]

Thanks Sloan55 and SMACD for your reply !! Your information is helpful.




Ask for a copy of the title, if there is a lien on the vehicle, it will be recorded on the front. If the lien has been satisfied there is a section on the front of the title that the lien is released on and it should be filled out and/or stamped. Also, you can ask the selling dealer for the original lien release letter as well

[tetris]

I recently completed the process of importing a Subaru OB 2.5i CVT with 17”alloy wheel and all weather packages. The whole process was smooth and without any trouble or time consuming. I purchased from a dealer near Bismarck, ND as it is closest to my home city (Regina, SK). The dealer sold the vehicle at invoice and didn’t charge any fees for the Canadian buyer premium as other dealers are charging in ND and MT states in the range of $500-600. The dealer only charged $79.5 for documentation fees and $10.00 for ND road permit and faxed the MSO and purchase order to American border (North Portal, ND). It was a day trip for me with a round trip driving of about 1250 Kms. I converted C$ to US$ through RBC as having US$ account, RBC gave the best rates (over US$25,000.00 have a better rate) better than the XE trade. RIV emailed me the Form2 next business day and it took seven minutes at Canadian Tire for Federal inspection. As the vehicle is new and unregistered, SK’s provincial safety inspection was not required. The dealer emailed me the recall letter that I submitted to RIV and they accepted it.

The OB handling is smooth. Steering is little hard. The mileage is pretty good. I saved about $8000.00 despite Canadian dealers are currently offering $1500 cash incentives.

[Deemo]

I recently completed the process of importing a Subaru OB 2.5i CVT with 17”alloy wheel and all weather packages. The whole process was smooth and without any trouble or time consuming. I purchased from a dealer near Bismarck, ND as it is closest to my home city (Regina, SK). The dealer sold the vehicle at invoice and didn’t charge any fees for the Canadian buyer premium as other dealers are charging in ND and MT states in the range of $500-600. The dealer only charged $79.5 for documentation fees and $10.00 for ND road permit and faxed the MSO and purchase order to American border (North Portal, ND). It was a day trip for me with a round trip driving of about 1250 Kms. I converted C$ to US$ through RBC as having US$ account, RBC gave the best rates (over US$25,000.00 have a better rate) better than the XE trade. RIV emailed me the Form2 next business day and it took seven minutes at Canadian Tire for Federal inspection. As the vehicle is new and unregistered, SK’s provincial safety inspection was not required. The dealer emailed me the recall letter that I submitted to RIV and they accepted it.

The OB handling is smooth. Steering is little hard. The mileage is pretty good. I saved about $8000.00 despite Canadian dealers are currently offering $1500 cash incentives.

Congrats!

Heading to Boise Idaho Victoria Day long weekend with the wife to pick up a used 2011 3.6 Outback Premium.
I had imported an 09 2.5 a few years ago from Joe in Seattle that is still running strong but wanted more horsepower.
I am finding Joe's prices not as competitive and he isn't as communicative as in the past so I took my business elsewhere.

I already have Tirerack tires waiting at Eureka to collect on the way back as well as stocking the rear with other items from Wally World.

One of the best parts of importing is the road trip associated with going to get the car. Looking forward to it.

[tetris]

Congrats!

Heading to Boise Idaho Victoria Day long weekend with the wife to pick up a used 2011 3.6 Outback Premium.
I had imported an 09 2.5 a few years ago from Joe in Seattle that is still running strong but wanted more horsepower.
I am finding Joe's prices not as competitive and he isn't as communicative as in the past so I took my business elsewhere.

I already have Tirerack tires waiting at Eureka to collect on the way back as well as stocking the rear with other items from Wally World.

One of the best parts of importing is the road trip associated with going to get the car. Looking forward to it.

Have you looked in buying the brand new as the process is simple, no title transfer issues and getting recall letter. Are you getting a substantial difference in price verses new? I only deposited $200.00 with CC on phone and made the outsanding amount certified check. I hope picking the another vehicle south of border would be a pleasent experience again for you.

[Deemo]

Have you looked in buying the brand new as the process is simple, no title transfer issues and getting recall letter. Are you getting a substantial difference in price verses new? I only deposited $200.00 with CC on phone and made the outsanding amount certified check. I hope picking the another vehicle south of border would be a pleasent experience again for you.

They were willing to sell new but this one came in and was a savings of probably over $2k or more over new.
I really wanted the upgraded audio and no sunroof (just looking at the bottom of my ski box most of the time) and the 2012 bundled the HK audio with the moonroof - an expensive add on I wasn't willing to pay for.

[tetris]

They were willing to sell new but this one came in and was a savings of probably over $2k or more over new.
I really wanted the upgraded audio and no sunroof (just looking at the bottom of my ski box most of the time) and the 2012 bundled the HK audio with the moonroof - an expensive add on I wasn't willing to pay for.

Yeah I was thinking to get premium or limited version without moonroof, but the dealer has limited choice and the prices were little higher. i can live without auio upgrade and may upgrade the audio with navi later with aftermarkets system.
Good luck and have a safe trip.

[smacd]

Congrats!

Heading to Boise Idaho Victoria Day long weekend with the wife to pick up a used 2011 3.6 Outback Premium.
I had imported an 09 2.5 a few years ago from Joe in Seattle that is still running strong but wanted more horsepower.
I am finding Joe's prices not as competitive and he isn't as communicative as in the past so I took my business elsewhere.

I already have Tirerack tires waiting at Eureka to collect on the way back as well as stocking the rear with other items from Wally World.

One of the best parts of importing is the road trip associated with going to get the car. Looking forward to it.

Congrats! So, it's no problem importing at Roosville, is it? Have the rules changed as far as duty free goes? ie, $800 per person after 48 hours, or does that have to wait until after the budget bill passes?

[Deemo]

Congrats! So, it's no problem importing at Roosville, is it? Have the rules changed as far as duty free goes? ie, $800 per person after 48 hours, or does that have to wait until after the budget bill passes?

I was pumped about the duty change but the damn thing doesn't come into effect until June 1st!
Oh well. :razz:

Roosville looks good to go. We'll see.

[Deemo]

Yeah I was thinking to get premium or limited version without moonroof, but the dealer has limited choice and the prices were little higher. i can live without auio upgrade and may upgrade the audio with navi later with aftermarkets system.
Good luck and have a safe trip.

Thanks
Can't live without the audio upgrade LOL

[deal2011]

Hello All,

Thank you for Monsieurmaggot started this discussion and everyone sharing the info.

I have read a lot but I could not figure out this. Please help.

I am looking to buy a new 2012 Honda Pilot, several dealers told me that I have to register in US. Okay, one sales saying because I can come back for waranty. So if that is the case, say, 5% sales tax for about $2000 will be out of my pocket.

My question is how does that work if I managed to register in US when I come back.

Thank you in advance.
(Sorry, I cannot post a new message)

[michelb]

Hello All,

Thank you for Monsieurmaggot started this discussion and everyone sharing the info.

I have read a lot but I could not figure out this. Please help.

I am looking to buy a new 2012 Honda Pilot, several dealers told me that I have to register in US. Okay, one sales saying because I can come back for waranty. So if that is the case, say, 5% sales tax for about $2000 will be out of my pocket.

My question is how does that work if I managed to register in US when I come back.

Thank you in advance.
(Sorry, I cannot post a new message)

As far as registering in the US, you'll have to do some homework because the requirements really depend on the specific state. That said, I believe most (if not all) states require you to be a resident and have some proof of residency before you can register a vehicle (Driver's license from that state, utility bill, etc). You also need to have an address there (it's very likely that they'll have to mail you some stuff). If the dealership is handling the registration for you, they might simply register it using the dealership's address and then there's nothing for you to do - if you have to register it yourself then you'll need a real address.

Once you return to Canada with the vehicle, it's very likely that CND Customs will force you to import it and you'll have to register it in Canada.

As far as the warranty, although some people have said that they've been able to go back to the US for warranty work (and I'm not surprised it would work for minor work), I believe Honda's warranty clearly states that the vehicle must be registered in the US or the warranty is void. If the dealership is telling you you'll still be have a warranty, I'd want that in writing from the manager or even the owner of the dealership and make sure it's clear that you want the warranty to remain in effect after you export the vehicle from the US and import into Canada. I tend to take everything salespeople say with a grain of salt.

Personally, I'd keep looking for a dealership that doesn't require me to register in the US and I'd skip Honda because I suspect any 'large' warranty claim could likely get denied.

[botmi]

Can anyone give me some info on 2013 Infiniti SUV imported into Canada?

Can we buy new? dealer near Queenston/Lewiston
Duty on the JX? I think its built in the USA
Warranty.. I read is good in both USA and Canada...right?
Any mods to do...like DLR?

Thanks
Chris

Chris,

Check riv.ca first. I do not believe that the JX is admissible yet. No 2013 made the list yet. XC90 (volvo) has the 2013 model for a good 4 months and is still not on the list...

[Chris03]

Chris,

Check riv.ca first. I do not believe that the JX is admissible yet. No 2013 made the list yet. XC90 (volvo) has the 2013 model for a good 4 months and is still not on the list...


Thanks for the info...I will keep an eye on RIV.

Thanks
Chris

[deal2011]

Hello All,

Thank you for Monsieurmaggot started this discussion and everyone sharing the info.

I have read a lot but I could not figure out this. Please help.

I am looking to buy a new 2012 Honda Pilot, several dealers told me that I have to register in US. Okay, one sales saying because I can come back for waranty. So if that is the case, say, 5% sales tax for about $2000 will be out of my pocket.

My question is how does that work if I managed to register in US when I come back.

Thank you in advance.
(Sorry, I cannot post a new message)


Can anyone recommend Dealer(s) who sell HONDA new cars in about 500miles from bufflo, I have called about 10 of them without luck.

[botmi]

Guys, historically wise, once a manufacturer releases next year models (2013 this time around) across their whole car line, how long will it be until the RIV site would reflect the new models?

As I mentioned in one of my postings above, the XC90 is being sold as a 2013 model for about 3-4 months, but it is not shown on the riv site yet...

[Mr. Mayhew]

Can anyone recommend Dealer(s) who sell HONDA new cars in about 500miles from bufflo, I have called about 10 of them without luck.

Sent you a PM.

[pilot2012]

Sent you a PM.

Hi Mr. Mayhew,

Could you please also PM me ?

thanks,
KF

[Mr. Mayhew]

Hi Mr. Mayhew,

Could you please also PM me ?

thanks,
KF

Also sent you a PM.

[felisha]

Hi,

I did some search in this thread and learned that the Canadian side of Lewiston Bridge border crossing is open 24/7 for importing vehicle. But does this also apply to Statutory holidays, for example, Victoria Day or Canada Day?

Another question, the "72 hours" requirement at the US side, is not 72 business hours, right?

Thanks!

[smacd]

Hi,

I did some search in this thread and learned that the Canadian side of Lewiston Bridge border crossing is open 24/7 for importing vehicle. But does this also apply to Statutory holidays, for example, Victoria Day or Canada Day?

Another question, the "72 hours" requirement at the US side, is not 72 business hours, right?

Thanks!

Don't know about the Lewiston crossing, but 72 hours is just that, 3 full days.

[phlegm2]

Hi,

I did some search in this thread and learned that the Canadian side of Lewiston Bridge border crossing is open 24/7 for importing vehicle. But does this also apply to Statutory holidays, for example, Victoria Day or Canada Day?

Another question, the "72 hours" requirement at the US side, is not 72 business hours, right?

Thanks!

Call them to confirm:
http://www.niagarafallsbridges.com/contact_the_nfbc.php3

[Drew_W]

Hi,

I did some search in this thread and learned that the Canadian side of Lewiston Bridge border crossing is open 24/7 for importing vehicle. But does this also apply to Statutory holidays, for example, Victoria Day or Canada Day?

Another question, the "72 hours" requirement at the US side, is not 72 business hours, right?

Thanks!

The problem is usually not with Canada Customs, but the hours during which US Customs will process vehicle EXPORTS. You have to stop there FIRST.

[felisha]

Don't know about the Lewiston crossing, but 72 hours is just that, 3 full days.


Call them to confirm:
http://www.niagarafallsbridges.com/contact_the_nfbc.php3


The problem is usually not with Canada Customs, but the hours during which US Customs will process vehicle EXPORTS. You have to stop there FIRST.

Thank you all for the replies! I did call the Canada Border Services Agency earlier today, and the agent said it's 24/7. I will call the Niagara Falls Bridge Commission to confirm.
-> Just called NFBC, yes it's open 24/7, 365 days per year.

One more question, when one brings the car back to Canada, he/she has to go through the border crossing where the title has been left for 72 hours. What about the trip leaving Canada to the States (to pick up the car from dealership), can it be any border crossing?
-> Asked the agent from NFBC, it can be any border crossing when leaving Canada.

[zenon]

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/04/27/eu-free-trade-canada-deal-ceta_n_1459552.html

Anyone been following this?

I have been watching the progress of these negotiations and it seems the government is very determined to get a deal done. Details aren't public yet but I think its pretty likely that autos would be tarrif free. Meaning of course a wider selection of cars that we can import duty free from the US:) I think they aim to get a deal done by the end of the year, not sure how long it would take to come into force though. My fingers are crossed that it will happen, and soon!

Zen

[phlegm2]

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/04/27/eu-free-trade-canada-deal-ceta_n_1459552.html

Anyone been following this?

I have been watching the progress of these negotiations and it seems the government is very determined to get a deal done. Details aren't public yet but I think its pretty likely that autos would be tarrif free. Meaning of course a wider selection of cars that we can import duty free from the US:) I think they aim to get a deal done by the end of the year, not sure how long it would take to come into force though. My fingers are crossed that it will happen, and soon!

Zen

Sweet! I've been dinged for 6.1% on my Volvos, so would be great to avoid. (That said, I've saved >$10K per vehicle, so I shouldn't complain.)

[pilot2012]

Hi appreciate your help on this one, I decided to buy a used Honda pilot from a NY city Honda dealer.
I am from Toronto and I'd like to see if I could make the deal with only ONE trip to NY and drive away
the Pilot on the same day. Since it is a used one, as many RFDers suggest, I won't pay any money before I
can see the vehicle. My plan is, bring the full amount of cash to the dealership on the day of visit(Friday), check out the pilot,
sign the deal, pay in full and drive away the pilot all the way to US lewiston custome on Monday to do the export.
Since I don't pay money up front, I would not expect the dealer to do anything upfront so I have questions hope fellow Canadian can help me....

1. Is the temp plate with the Vehicle of with the new buyer ? Does it contain new buyer's info.(like name etc) on it ? Or just the vehicle information only ?
2. How long does it take to get the temp plate, I will arrive in the early morning on Friday, is it possible to get it the same day or next day Saturday.
3. Since the vehicle is going to be exported, I don't need to register anything on the NY DMV office, right ?
4. I will email the Vin# and description 72hrs in advance(Lewiston custom told me if I email them by 2pm Friday I'll be able to export on the following Monday.)
All I need for vehicle export, is the original title and the Bill of Sale, and the Lien release paper(the vehicle has Lien history), right ?

Thanks a lot in advance....
PF

[smacd]

I don't know about NY state, but my BC temp permit only registered the vehicle, not the owner. Don't forget, though, you'll also need insurance for the trip. In BC, it can only be temporary, until the vehicle completes the riv process. Not sure about Ontario.

[Alexo]

Is there an up to date list of car models that are exempt from import duties under NAFTA?

Thanks!

[pilot2012]

Hi,

I did some search in this thread and learned that the Canadian side of Lewiston Bridge border crossing is open 24/7 for importing vehicle. But does this also apply to Statutory holidays, for example, Victoria Day or Canada Day?

Another question, the "72 hours" requirement at the US side, is not 72 business hours, right?

Thanks!

The Lewiston US custom, they told me if they recieve vehicle information by 2pm Friday, you can do export on Monday.
So 72 hrs is not subject to business hours....

[rjmbc]

Is there an up to date list of car models that are exempt from import duties under NAFTA?

Thanks!

Check the first character (letter/number) of the VIN if it is number (1,2,3 etc - no duty - under NAFTA) if it starts with a letter (J, G etc) you pay duty. Some vehicles such as RAV4 are made in both North America & Japan - those starting with a "J" pay duty.

[rjmbc]

The Lewiston US custom, they told me if they recieve vehicle information by 2pm Friday, you can do export on Monday.
So 72 hrs is not subject to business hours....

Keep in mind that this may vary depending on which border crossing you use. Some require 3 business days (i.e. Pacific Border Crossing south of Vancouver)

[phlegm2]

I don't know about NY state, but my BC temp permit only registered the vehicle, not the owner. Don't forget, though, you'll also need insurance for the trip. In BC, it can only be temporary, until the vehicle completes the riv process. Not sure about Ontario.


Hi appreciate your help on this one, I decided to buy a used Honda pilot from a NY city Honda dealer.
I am from Toronto and I'd like to see if I could make the deal with only ONE trip to NY and drive away
the Pilot on the same day. Since it is a used one, as many RFDers suggest, I won't pay any money before I
can see the vehicle. My plan is, bring the full amount of cash to the dealership on the day of visit(Friday), check out the pilot,
sign the deal, pay in full and drive away the pilot all the way to US lewiston custome on Monday to do the export.
Since I don't pay money up front, I would not expect the dealer to do anything upfront so I have questions hope fellow Canadian can help me....

1. Is the temp plate with the Vehicle of with the new buyer ? Does it contain new buyer's info.(like name etc) on it ? Or just the vehicle information only ?
2. How long does it take to get the temp plate, I will arrive in the early morning on Friday, is it possible to get it the same day or next day Saturday.
3. Since the vehicle is going to be exported, I don't need to register anything on the NY DMV office, right ?
4. I will email the Vin# and description 72hrs in advance(Lewiston custom told me if I email them by 2pm Friday I'll be able to export on the following Monday.)
All I need for vehicle export, is the original title and the Bill of Sale, and the Lien release paper(the vehicle has Lien history), right ?

Thanks a lot in advance....
PF

How do you legally intend to bring that much cash across the border? Can be done, but a lot of paperwork.

[bomberman447]

Finally found a couple Audi A4's to make offers on in NYC, thanks for compiling all the information mr mayhew!
So excited, can't wait to get rid of my crappy volvo in-between car :cheesygri
Super long drive though :confused:

[pure5abi]

Finally found a couple Audi A4's to make offers on in NYC, thanks for compiling all the information mr mayhew!
So excited, can't wait to get rid of my crappy volvo in-between car :cheesygri
Super long drive though :confused:

Nice! What kind of prices are we looking at and what year models? I am interested in doing the same. Plz PM some details. Thanks

[bomberman447]

Nice! What kind of prices are we looking at and what year models? I am interested in doing the same. Plz PM some details. Thanks
2009+ 2.0T Quattro Premium Plus <40k miles, hopefully certified, not a big deal if not.
Should be able to get a 2009 for about 22-24k before conversion, and all border fees. Didn't end up making an offer on the one in NY yet as my friend is pursuing some elsewhere as I would prefer something other than silver.

[RJones89]

2009+ 2.0T Quattro Premium Plus <40k miles, hopefully certified, not a big deal if not.
Should be able to get a 2009 for about 22-24k before conversion, and all border fees. Didn't end up making an offer on the one in NY yet as my friend is pursuing some elsewhere as I would prefer something other than silver.

You do realize that if you buy a CPO Audi there is no warranty in Canada. If you buy a used non-CPO Audi then there will be a warranty in Canada.

[bomberman447]

You do realize that if you buy a CPO Audi there is no warranty in Canada. If you buy a used non-CPO Audi then there will be a warranty in Canada.
The basic warranty still does transfer but the CPO does not. I just want it to be in good enough condition that they would CPO it so it would give me some piece of mind as opposed to a non CPO vehicle. My friend has had some work done at no charge though on a CPO years ago but I believe he was just lucky that they didn't care.

[Mr. Mayhew]

The basic warranty still does transfer but the CPO does not. I just want it to be in good enough condition that they would CPO it so it would give me some piece of mind as opposed to a non CPO vehicle. My friend has had some work done at no charge though on a CPO years ago but I believe he was just lucky that they didn't care.

Just a quick FYI, when you have an audi dealer remove a CPO from a car you should be able to get an additional amount off the price. I have imported a fair bit of CPO audis, removed the CPO and gotten as much as $1800 back from it. Im guessing thats the full cost of a CPO (depending on model), most dealers will remove the CPO but only discount a portion of the cost as it doesn't help them with their CPO target.

Always ask to remove CPO

[bomberman447]

Just a quick FYI, when you have an audi dealer remove a CPO from a car you should be able to get an additional amount off the price. I have imported a fair bit of CPO audis, removed the CPO and gotten as much as $1800 back from it. Im guessing thats the full cost of a CPO (depending on model), most dealers will remove the CPO but only discount a portion of the cost as it doesn't help them with their CPO target.

Always ask to remove CPO
Interesting, thanks for the heads up!

[wushudrew]

I bought my Subaru from Karl back in Dec 2007. Wonderful experience. Now, I'm ready to import another one but not sure which one to buy:
Subaru -- No manufacturer incentives + $750 Karl fee == Still good deals to have?
Toyoya -- Dealers (within reasonable driving distance from Toronro) won't sell to Canadians?
Honda -- Manufacturer warranty not honoured in Canada?
So, do people still buy from Karl these days? Any other car brand that is reasonably easy to import? Please advise. Thanks a million!

Im picking up a Subaru next week that I bought through Karl at Van Bortel and the experience has been very positive from a customer service point of view. I dont really like the $750 premium, but the pricing was right (compared to here I saved $8000) and the process has been painless so far.