WOW ---- New and used cars from US up to 30% cheaper - Read post #1

[collector]

I called the Champlain crossing last week and was told that they open on Monday Nov 12 for vehicle exportation.....But now I am crossing Lewiston, I am going to call and ask again just to be sure.

Please post the results here.
I called the Alexandria Bay crossing this morning and the guy said that they will be closed. I also asked him about Lewiston crossing and all he said was " if it is federal holiday, they will be closed".
I don't know if there is a point of calling Lewiston to confirm - they never pick up the phone and rarely reply to the messages.

[magicray]

congrats on the savings - you basically saved about a month of a pay cheque. Which turns to, lets say 170 hours or work.

Great comments and contributions from everyone - i'll probably jump on the saving soon.

[Tender]

Whoo!!! Thanks to everyone on this site that has contributed so much valuable information. After reading all 500+ pages in this thread (and almost getting divorced over it), I've completed my purchase and successfully imported/registered a new 2008 Nissan Versa SL hatchback into Canada. A modest savings for a smaller car, I saved $4,500...

Congratulation to the new car!

[Sentinels]

Just tried calling a few US Dealership and I'm getting some weird responses even when I tell them I would register the vehicle with family/friends in the States first.

Some are telling me I can't bring it across until it has 5000 miles, some say it's gotta be a year old??? What the heck is going on, more road blocks!!! I mean how can they control someone who's going to sell their car when they want to privately anyways...but I guess they can withold the manufacturer's recall letter in order to do so? Anyone know anything about this?

Thx

[newlegacyowner]

just priced the 2008 Honda CR-V online, the same vehicle costs $8000-10000 less in the states:!: This is crazy, the government should step in and do something about this, at least make it easier for us to import cars into Canada.:twisted:

Careful when doing that. I tried to do the same thing.

1) When you call a dealer that is in the Northeast, they won't sell at MSRP, they will sell at about 500-750$ ABOVE MSRP

2) all the CRV's in the northeast are 4WD, not the 2WD

3) All the 2008 CRV's in the US right now are made in Japan. Why you ask? What about the CRV's made in US and Canada? Why HONDA takes advantage of that and moves them all to Canada, KNOWING that Canadians who could get one will have to pay duty when importing to Canada.

So, the real "evil" here isn't the government, it is Honda. And do what I did, DON'T BUY ONE!

[allknowing]

Now what about the cost of borrowing? Did you have cash to buy that Nissan? Or did you borrow against your bank account at - say 6% (whatever)? Would that cost be more or less than what the Cdn dealer would offer on financing?

-- just trying to be sure to include all costs in those savings numbers.

As for me - do I lease (in Canada with my employee price) and not pay gst/pst on the whole car price, or borrow at 6.5% and buy outright?

[perfchris]

Actually, Honda is taking full advantage of NAFTA by bringing in US made CR-Vs into Canada without any duties. They bring in the Japan made CR-Vs into the US to avoid paying duty in Canada and because there is a glut of production room in Japan.

So, what is good for Honda, they shut down for us using a pseudo Immobilizer issue.



Careful when doing that. I tried to do the same thing.

1) When you call a dealer that is in the Northeast, they won't sell at MSRP, they will sell at about 500-750$ ABOVE MSRP

2) all the CRV's in the northeast are 4WD, not the 2WD

3) All the 2008 CRV's in the US right now are made in Japan. Why you ask? What about the CRV's made in US and Canada? Why HONDA takes advantage of that and moves them all to Canada, KNOWING that Canadians who could get one will have to pay duty when importing to Canada.

So, the real "evil" here isn't the government, it is Honda. And do what I did, DON'T BUY ONE!

[shopper-X]

Actually, Honda is taking full advantage of NAFTA by bringing in US made CR-Vs into Canada without any duties. They bring in the Japan made CR-Vs into the US to avoid paying duty in Canada and because there is a glut of production room in Japan.

So, what is good for Honda, they shut down for us using a pseudo Immobilizer issue.

I would not be surprised if the Canadian sold CR-V price includes the Duty the American CR-V's should be paying. :twisted: (take from Peter to pay Paul mentality)

[rafku]

Now what about the cost of borrowing? Did you have cash to buy that Nissan? Or did you borrow against your bank account at - say 6% (whatever)? Would that cost be more or less than what the Cdn dealer would offer on financing?

-- just trying to be sure to include all costs in those savings numbers.

As for me - do I lease (in Canada with my employee price) and not pay gst/pst on the whole car price, or borrow at 6.5% and buy outright?

Lease or Buy: that is a very separate decision. However, once you decided to buy and have to finance some way, you usually do not loose much at all on interest payments (hence win most if not all of the price+tax difference).

The dealer financing will at best be at about 2/3 of the prime (I guess 3.99% car loan, about 2/3 of the 6.25% prime, would be considered good). If you have equity you can get loan at prime. Assume your car costs a third (30%) more here than in US. So, buying in US with a loan at prime, you are paying about a third of a prime more in interest on 2/3 of the price, but saving 2/3 of the prime (dealer interest vs zero) on 1/3 of the price difference, which cancels itself out. So I would say financing side of the story is irrelevant, once you have access to some at-prime money. This is of course pretty rough calculation: but I would suspect it holds itself out within a couple of percentage points in over 90% of cases.

Hence relevant costs to compare are price(with tax) + mods + duty. In case of Outback, the last two are zero.

[scope11]

Now what about the cost of borrowing? Did you have cash to buy that Nissan? Or did you borrow against your bank account at - say 6% (whatever)? Would that cost be more or less than what the Cdn dealer would offer on financing?

-- just trying to be sure to include all costs in those savings numbers.

As for me - do I lease (in Canada with my employee price) and not pay gst/pst on the whole car price, or borrow at 6.5% and buy outright?

Great point allknowing. I needed to borrow about $9k for my purchase, and was lucky enough to score a Citibank MasterCard 0% for a year. I plan on paying that off in a year, so I'm not too worried.

I guess the real question should be, did I add the 0% "savings" to my total savings - the anwser is no.

[HondaSucks]

I would not be surprised if the Canadian sold CR-V price includes the Duty the American CR-V's should be paying. :twisted: (take from Peter to pay Paul mentality)

Thanks for bringing up that point... more for our case

I would like to start picketing certain dealerships!!

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

Ha thanks for the link, i did write them also. I asked them what their goal is, less sales or more sales in Canada.


Here is the Contact Page for their Investors Relations.
Perhaps you can ask them, from a stockholder point of view, why the USA BMW dealers refuse to sell cars to certain people.

http://www.bmwgroup.com/e/nav/index.html?../0_0_www_bmwgroup_com/home/home.html&source=overview

[HondaSucks]

Thanks for bringing up that point... more for our case

I would like to start picketing certain dealerships!!

iF EVERY PESON THAT VIEWED THIS SITE GAVE $1.00 WE WOULD HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS TO REALLY PUT A DENT IN HONDA'S pLANS.... BETTER GIVE IT TO US THAN A political contribution...

that doesn't seem to get us anywhere...

[Trexim]

Thanks for bringing up that point... more for our case

I would like to start picketing certain dealerships!!

Go for the head:

Honda Canada Customer Relations
715 Milner Avenue
Toronto, ON
M1B 2K8

[newlegacyowner]

iF EVERY PESON THAT VIEWED THIS SITE GAVE $1.00 WE WOULD HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS TO REALLY PUT A DENT IN HONDA'S pLANS.... BETTER GIVE IT TO US THAN A political contribution...

that doesn't seem to get us anywhere...


The BEST way to do it is NOT TO BUY A HONDA. Thats 20Ki n my case that went somewhere else.

[ac328]

The BEST way to do it is NOT TO BUY A HONDA. Thats 20Ki n my case that went somewhere else.

Exactly, vote with your wallet. Unless your heart's set on a Honda, well, then Honda has you over a barrel.

I want an Infiniti G35, realized that one of the best daels going is actually a Subaru Legacy or Outback (No duty!). Test drove one here in Calgary last week and was very impressed.

Unfortunately I am handcuffed by my current car's lease which runs another 8 months. May buy the car anyway before the lease end, just in case Subaru decides to join the Honda "Screw Canada" bandwagon.

[Mike_C]

Exactly, vote with your wallet. Unless your heart's set on a Honda, well, then Honda has you over a barrel.

I want an Infiniti G35, realized that one of the best daels going is actually a Subaru Legacy or Outback (No duty!). Test drove one here in Calgary last week and was very impressed.

Unfortunately I am handcuffed by my current car's lease which runs another 8 months. May buy the car anyway before the lease end, just in case Subaru decides to join the Honda "Screw Canada" bandwagon.

I am in the same boat, my lease end next Feb. However, I don't want to take chance and decide to buy it now. I went to RIV this morning to get my Form 2, there were probably over 10/12 people inside that small room waiting for the paper. It took me 2 hours to get my form...

[jzy]

Please post the results here.
I called the Alexandria Bay crossing this morning and the guy said that they will be closed. I also asked him about Lewiston crossing and all he said was " if it is federal holiday, they will be closed".
I don't know if there is a point of calling Lewiston to confirm - they never pick up the phone and rarely reply to the messages.

I called Lewiston today and they said they are closed for Nov 12 as well.

The number I called is the General inquiry number for Service Port - Buffalo: (716) 843-8300. I was given the Lewiston car export office number by the lady first and then she transferred me. First I had to listen to a recorded message which describes the procedure they follow at Lewiston for vehicle exportation, then I pressed 0, and the call was answered right away. I called at 12:40pm.

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

Hmmm ok so BMW does not want a Canadian to purchase a new car in the USA, but what stops someone in the USA from opening up a dealership which
sells to Canadians? They would not be affiliated with BMW USA, they would be in theory a "Used" car dealer, which happens to purchase direct from a BMW USA dealership and deliver "Used" cars back to a Canadian. :)

Take a BMW 528i
Candian price 59,900 + Freight = $61,750 CAD
US Price 44,000 USD / 1.05 = $42,000 CAD

difference? $19,750

Now one would setup a dealership in a state without sales tax, and all you'd have to do is add 5K per car and make a decent profit, at the same time allow someone in Canada to have a decent car for "less". I can imagine a dealer like that selling 50-100 cars @ 5K profit, that is a lot of $$ per month.

pretty soon every car new or used will be on a banned list of things you can't import... Does that mean nobody from the USA should be admited to Canada even on a vacation if they drive 2008 model based cars? :)

[accorder]

Whoo!!! Thanks to everyone on this site that has contributed so much valuable information. After reading all 500+ pages in this thread (and almost getting divorced over it), I've completed my purchase and successfully imported/registered a new 2008 Nissan Versa SL hatchback into Canada. A modest savings for a smaller car, I saved $4,500.


congrats. $4500 for a versa, way to go!!!!

[allknowing]

Anyone have a recent quote from a Cdn dealer? Are they sticking with MSRP or are they offering these so called discounts to try achieve parity? I went into Saturn the other day but they weren't revealing any numbers..

[dotcalamitie]

gougingcarcartel - dealers are indeed doing exactly what you describe here in Canada and making more money than they ever have. 50 to 100 cars a month times $5,000 a car = $300,00 to $500,000 profit. Per month. $4,000,000 profit per year. Extra. On top of the regular car business.

[dotcalamitie]

I bought a 2007 Prius in Buffalo today for $22,200. Thank you RFD!!! I'll let you know any hitches we face. We're following the instructions as per RFD - RIV has a nice set of rules on their site.

[Raikkonen]

Go for the head:

Honda Canada Customer Relations
715 Milner Avenue
Toronto, ON
M1B 2K8

This idea may be good....think about it...would make the news, bad publicity, and if we had a couple hundred people there...who knows.:!:

[cMarkus]

After calling around and receiving various responses from NY Nissan dealers, I s lucky enough to find a dealer who would put into writing that their specific dealership would honour the Nissan warrenty, even though it clearly states in Nissan's warrenty that it would be void if I imported prior to 6 months. I was prepared to purchase the Versa without the warrenty if I had to, as the savings to me seemed to be worth the risk. This was an added bonus, and I would not expect the document to hold up in court. More of a gesture of good faith.


First time posting! I've been following this thread for along time and have decided to import a 2008 Nissan Xterra.

Now thanks to this thread, the purchase and import process is a snap. No problems whatsoever, the Nissan dealers in the US are more than happy to sell the car and take car of all the importing paperwork. The problem has become
getting a straight answer about the warranty of an imported Nissan.

I know many people have had their warranty covered in Canada on 07 models. What about an 08 Nissans, anyone?

I've called every dealership in Calgary, only to get 4 different answers that change weekly.

One says: the car must be registered in the US for 6 months, another says it must be registered in the US for 30 days, another says it must be registered and plated in the US for six months, and another says it must not change
ownership in the first 6 months.

Nissan CA and Nissan USA are just as confused, I've gotten about 6 different answers over 10 seperate calls.

The dealership says "no problems" as I would expect

Has anyone gotten a reliable clear answer on this? I've also read and been told on a few occasions that if you import the car, the warranty is completely
voided and not Nissan Canada or USA will be under any obligation to complete, pay or reimburse warranty work.

[reddy54]

I know this matter has been discussed before and that the general conclusion was that one can probably save money by doing the work ourselves. There is however a situation where it may pay to use a broker. In cases where one cannot avoid paying the state taxes such as Lexus or Toyota the broker may be able to save on the state taxes by using a USA company. In such cases his fees will be offset by the tax saving. Moreover the broker may be able to locate a car easier.

[bmac604]

Have been bringing back cars for 2 years. Long story short priced a Subaru Outback 2.5i with Tim @ Dewey in Bellingham (nice young man), Joe Spitz cars 101.com ( good price if you took what he had in stock)and, Zach at Eastside Subaru. Priced them all, Joe blew me off seemed burnt out and disinterested. Zach hit me with a really professional, "can do", attitude- sourcing the silver 2.5i for me in Spokane or Wenatchee. He gave me one price that was a winner. Tim could not match it. Grabbed the greyhound down to Everett on Friday from Coquitlam $25 where Zach was waiting to drive me to the dealership. 20 minutes later and lotsa signatures and I was on the road back to the border. About 30 seconds at US customs ( Zach emailed them 3 days ahead), maybe 40 minutes on the Canadian side and i was thru. Zach called today to check in. Zach and Eastside understand how to do business. Any concerns I had quickly disappeared. For price it seems the big boys win over Bellingham. For a transaction that is non cliche -sorry Joe, let Zach have a go, you wont be sorry. Lets hope this window stays open a bit longer!

[gregorykay]

Ok so ive heard conflicting reports some people say Nissan does not honour the warranty while others say they do. Any body have expierience buying a nissan and finding out?

If they do not honour the warranty is there some way i can get the warranty here by purchasing a warranty here? What is that called and how would i do it?
Thanx

[ManchSubaruDealer]

Hi All,

This is Xan Peterson from Manchester Subaru. I had a customer from Toronto who recently picked up his car from me. He said his flight was a direct flight from Buffalo to Manchester and it only cost him about $125. That is an alternative for customers from Toronto. I'll pick you up at the airport at no extra charge. That's much more cost effective than the $400 to ship a vehicle out there. If anyone has any questions, just call me ,(888)223-7455, or email me at manchester@subarumail.com and I'll help you out. I guarantee no messing around and rock bottom prices from the beginning. Come see the difference in the way I do business.

Thanks,
Xan Peterson

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

Can someone please tell me why we have duty on German made cars that come over the border? Don't the Americans charge a duty already when the car comes to the USA?

[sheriffabc]

Subaru Legacy - from Fitzmall - Gus @ 1-888-670-4800. Great Price (one price to both Americans and Canadians - no haggle) - Great person to deal with.

Special thanks to Diigii, Symcrapico, Whampao, OP - and all the others who contributed to this thread and for your hand holding and guidance. The carburner site is great!

Guys - it was so easy - it is incredible! If you can fill out a form with your name and address and details for the car - You can save $$$$$. Don't sit on the fence. Youowe it to yourself to save!!

[DrXenon]

I been looking at an X5.
I really want the diesel version but not coming out til late 2008, not sure I can wait that long...
and also I don't like to buy any car first year in production, first year for X5 diesel.


I wouldn't worry about buying a BMW diesel. BMW has been making reliable diesels for decades.

[t_garp]

Can someone please tell me why we have duty on German made cars that come over the border? Don't the Americans charge a duty already when the car comes to the USA?

I think you just answered your own question...The US collected that duty, now it's to for Canada to collect theirs.

Remember, only two things in life are certain. Death and taxes.

[dotcalamitie]

All you Subaru dealers should be advertising in the Toronto Star - I just bought my Prius off of a Toyota dealer in Buffalo because of their advertisement there.

BTW, does the 3 day waiting period for registration apply to used cars as well. All the discussion on the 3 day waiting period was centered around new cars.

[LoveRFD]

Have been bringing back cars for 2 years. Long story short priced a Subaru Outback 2.5i with Tim @ Dewey in Bellingham (nice young man), Joe Spitz cars 101.com ( good price if you took what he had in stock)and, Zach at Eastside Subaru. Priced them all, Joe blew me off seemed burnt out and disinterested. Zach hit me with a really professional, "can do", attitude- sourcing the silver 2.5i for me in Spokane or Wenatchee. He gave me one price that was a winner. Tim could not match it. Grabbed the greyhound down to Everett on Friday from Coquitlam $25 where Zach was waiting to drive me to the dealership. 20 minutes later and lotsa signatures and I was on the road back to the border. About 30 seconds at US customs ( Zach emailed them 3 days ahead), maybe 40 minutes on the Canadian side and i was thru. Zach called today to check in. Zach and Eastside understand how to do business. Any concerns I had quickly disappeared. For price it seems the big boys win over Bellingham. For a transaction that is non cliche -sorry Joe, let Zach have a go, you wont be sorry. Lets hope this window stays open a bit longer!


I wish that Canadian car dealers can have the same kind of service that Zach and Eastside are providing to our Canadians!

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

I figured as much, so in other words, the Canadian government can punish the manufactures without resorting to duties or taxes, simply doing the following 4 things might do the trick:

1) Make sure the Canadian Government has total control of the inadmissible car list.

2) Do not charge GST at the border for any new or used imported car that comes from the USA.
(This measure would be temporary of course, for as long as the manufactures stay ignorant to the pricing problem in Canada.)

3) Remove any remaining duties on non North American built Cars that pass through the border from the USA .
(also a temporary move, until prices come down to within 5 percent of what Americans pay for their cars)

4) Lessen the paper work for the car to come through the border into Canada.


Wouldn't the above 4 points stick it to the car-makers? Wouldn't they have to lower the prices?


I think you just answered your own question...The US collected that duty, now it's to for Canada to collect theirs.
Remember, only two things in life are certain. Death and taxes.

[HighFlyer]

BTW, does the 3 day waiting period for registration apply to used cars as well. All the discussion on the 3 day waiting period was centered around new cars.
US customs? yes it applies to used as well.

[dotcalamitie]

gougingcarcartel... your list wouldn't work. For what purpose would the US want to continue to make cars in Canada for? I like your idea of getting rid of the duty on imports from the US. The idea of double duty sucks - the US applies duty to the foreign cars, then our border applies duty to the car that already had duty paid on it. Stupid! The same thing with the resale of a car - why is a car that someone already bought and paid GST and PST on subject to further taxation when it gets sold at a later date????? Anyone figure that out? Makes no sense whatsoever. I mean think about it...a car could generate in taxes almost half it's value over the life of the car if it gets sold several times. Except in Alberta...

[Honda-sucks]

Wow what an awesome site !! I have a major beef with Honda and although I just purchased my Ridgeline from the U.S and saved $9000 I want Honda Canada to bleed !!! How can we publically bring them as much bad press as possible? Sign me up and THANK YOU RFD !

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

I used to care about car manufacturing jobs in Canada, i no longer care. It is better to lose a few thousand jobs than to have millions of people screwed over by greedy manufactures. IMO.

If the American car makers treat us like second class citizens then it is of no consequence to me if their whole car industry goes down to the crapper. And when it does, there will always be some German or south Korean cars available :)


Well if the government does not do anything than we might as well move to the USA now, because we will be at their mercy, and they will always raise prices never lower them.


gougingcarcartel... your list wouldn't work. For what purpose would the US want to continue to make cars in Canada for? I like your idea of getting rid of the duty on imports from the US. The idea of double duty sucks - the US applies duty to the foreign cars, then our border applies duty to the car that already had duty paid on it. Stupid! The same thing with the resale of a car - why is a car that someone already bought and paid GST and PST on subject to further taxation when it gets sold at a later date????? Anyone figure that out? Makes no sense whatsoever. I mean think about it...a car could generate in taxes almost half it's value over the life of the car if it gets sold several times. Except in Alberta...

[dotcalamitie]

The National CBC is looking to do stories this week on cross border shopping. You can write them at national@cbc.ca

[LoDown]

I took my time with this, and really it only took less than a week after I had the vehicle to get plates. One of the things I found kind of funny was the girl at Canadian Tire tried to insist that I was required to get a "Saftey" done on the vehicle, and without it they would not complete the RIV inspection. I politly "educated" her that I was far more familiar with this process than she was, and my money that I already paid to RIV was to complete the RIV inspection by CT - please do that and nothing more. I also informed her that incorrectly making her customers get a "Saftey" inspection at CT could be perceived as a cash-grab by that CT location. She backed down fairly quick.

"Cash-grab" is absolutely correct - everyone is at it. Where possible, the best way to get them to back down is to ask, "show it to me in writing" - 99.9% of the time they wither away. Unfortunately, I could not use that line today when I got "cash grabbed" at the UPS store. Wanted to send my documents to the US border - asked for "Standard delivery" with guaranteed delivery within 2 days. They said it could not be done - standard delivery for my specific point A to B case could take up to 3 days. They said I needed "Express" with next day delivery. Went home and got a quote from the UPS site for 'Standard delivery' between the same 2 points - it stated GUARANTEED DELIVERY on 2nd day. Express cost=$36.20; Standard delivery=$18.95; Cash grab=$17.25.

Welcome to the "US Car in Canada club" :) - I'm in the home stretch myself.:cheesygri

[diigii]

So I guess you're home now? CONGRATS!!!

And CONGRATS to all the new car owners who have just brought home their new baby? lady? or whatever you guys call them. I call mine YUMMY! :D Enjoy your new cars. I am enjoying mine so much!

I don't regret getting mine early at the end of August even if I would've saved a lot more this week. With all the horror stories being started by the Canadian headquarters of the major automakers, I wouldn't have to worry about where to get mine now. I advise all who are looking for their next car to go further south. Maryland and Virginia don't have dealer restrictions. My dealership was just shaking his head in disbelief because he never heard anything from Nissan USA and even said, "we can sell to anyone who wants to buy from us." One member, sheriffabc, below, just said it. "One price to both Americans and Canadians." Screw the Buffalo-area dealers who either won't sell to Canadians or do not sell below MSRP. Maryland-area dealers will take your business with open arms!!!!


Subaru Legacy - from Fitzmall - Gus @. Great Price (one price to both Americans and Canadians - no haggle) - Great person to deal with.

Special thanks to Diigii, Symcrapico, Whampao, OP - and all the others who contributed to this thread and for your hand holding and guidance. The carburner site is great!

Guys - it was so easy - it is incredible! If you can fill out a form with your name and address and details for the car - You can save $$$$$. Don't sit on the fence. Youowe it to yourself to save!!

[toolman]

Somebody mentioned that the dealer can make up a recall letter or something like that if you really want to buy Toyota. But I agree with you, screw Toyota and get something else.

2008 Sienna: My dealer provided me with the recall letter. RIV had no problem with it..

[dotcalamitie]

This recall letter nonsense makes a lot of sense now. Just get the dealer to provide it...go to their service department, check to make sure recalls have been done, and that should be it - what more could the government possibly ask for? Of course it means you have to buy your car from the brand name dealer. No big deal...I would rather buy a car from a brand name dealer in the US to ensure I'm not getting a Flood or hurricane car.

[Boodie]

Can anyone inform me of a canadian bank that will do a car loan for a car from the us? I dont have 25k kicking around and would like to make the most of this opportunity before things go for a crapper

[DSTU]

I used to care about car manufacturing jobs in Canada, i no longer care. It is better to lose a few thousand jobs than to have millions of people screwed over by greedy manufactures. IMO.

If the American car makers treat us like second class citizens then it is of no consequence to me if their whole car industry goes down to the crapper. And when it does, there will always be some German or south Korean cars available :)


Well if the government does not do anything than we might as well move to the USA now, because we will be at their mercy, and they will always raise prices never lower them.

Dude - you are wrong, a lot of vehicles are made in Ontario, its the #1 manufacturing area in North America.

Lexus RX350 made right here in Ontario.

BTW - i was in Home Depot and asked a sales associate when are you going to match American prices. He came up with a big list of reasons. the one that stood out was health care - wrong o buddy, companies don't pay for health care, but they do in the US.

[toolman]

I picked up my 2008 Sienna XLE yesterday, stayed overnight in southern MI and brought it across the Detroit / Windsor border today without any problems. It was quite a wait on the US site to get the title stamped for export. Import at Canada Customs was quick and efficient. On my way home I stopped at the RIF office. It was very busy there but I got Form 2 in about 30 minutes. Nobody mentioned anything about immobilizers. Went to CT got the inspection done by 5PM. By then the MTO offices where closing. If I would not have had to wait that long at the US side of the border and got delayed with construction in Windsor I could have completed the process today. I will get my plates tomorrow or Monday.


Update:
I guess I sneaked in under the radar. Today I registered the vehicle at MTO, paid the PST and got the plates. The only thing left is to put on the door sticker when I get it. I am sleeping a lot better now...

My new Sienna:
2008 Sienna XLE, FWD, Build 12.10.07, Color: Desert Sand Mika / Interior: Fawn
Add EVP1 Heated leather seats and sunshades
Add daytime running lights, fog lights and windshield deicer grid package
Add tow prep package (heavy duty radiator and fan, 150 amp battery and alt. power steering oil cooler
Add carpet floor mats and door sill protector

Total drive of the lot price $ 29,160 CDN

US Tax (to register in the state purchased) Not needed on a new vehicle exported to Canada

Wire fees, transportation to dealership, gas, 1 night motel, food, bridge toll, plates, AC Tax, GST, PST, RIV, CT,
Total $ 4,730

Total cost registered and plated $ 33,890

The feeling of having saved about $ 13,000.00 - PRICELESS

[tarnator]

Very nice toolman,
Congrats!

[GoogleFish]

CTV news just reported that Honda and Chrysler both dropped prices in Canada. Apparently up to $9,000 on more expensive models.

[eastsidesubaru]

All you Subaru dealers should be advertising in the Toronto Star - I just bought my Prius off of a Toyota dealer in Buffalo because of their advertisement there.

BTW, does the 3 day waiting period for registration apply to used cars as well. All the discussion on the 3 day waiting period was centered around new cars.

Subaru prohibits US dealers from advertising outside their market.
That includes Canada.
I know some dealers here do it anyway, and if you see it, please let me know about it as it is not fair for them to do that when we get yelled at for it.
The 3 day waiting period.. are you talking about the 72 hours advance notice that the border needs before the car comes through when the border docs are sent? That is on ALL cars... It is needed by the border in order to run the "border checks" on the cars, supposedly ;) I think it has something to do with lien status, perhaps?

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

Dude - you are wrong, a lot of vehicles are made in Ontario, its the #1 manufacturing area in North America.

Lexus RX350 made right here in Ontario.

BTW - i was in Home Depot and asked a sales associate when are you going to match American prices. He came up with a big list of reasons. the one that stood out was health care - wrong o buddy, companies don't pay for health care, but they do in the US.


Hmm even if Ontario has 20,000 auto workers, i dont want to deal with a-hole car makers that treat us like dirt. How can anyone stomach this ripoff , pretty soon we will have a 1.10 dollar, and then maybe a 1.20 dollar, and the price will remain the same........... IF our government had any balls we'd not be dealing with this now.

[Rehan]

CTV news just reported that Honda and Chrysler both dropped prices in Canada. Apparently up to $9,000 on more expensive models.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20071105.RHONDA05/TPStory/Business

Honda Canada Inc. will offer incentives of as much as $5,500 to people who pay cash for a Pilot crossover utility vehicle, $1,500 to buyers of the compact Civic and up to $4,000 on some models of Accord. "incentives"?! "Incentives to be ripped off" would be more like it. Honda Pilot SE is available for CA$28k in the US, and in Canada it'll be about $39k after the new incentive. Pffft!

[eastsidesubaru]

Can anyone inform me of a canadian bank that will do a car loan for a car from the us? I dont have 25k kicking around and would like to make the most of this opportunity before things go for a crapper


Boodie, PM me your contact details. I have an importer I work with who will buy+import a US vehicle from me for you and finance it for a reasonable fee, if you have to go that route.

[Rehan]

Subaru prohibits US dealers from advertising outside their market.
That includes Canada.
I know some dealers here do it anyway, and if you see it, please let me know about it as it is not fair for them to do that when we get yelled at for it. Psst... take a look at what it says for your Location. ;)

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

i wonder what the price drop is like? 500 ? :rolleyes:
or just an incentive on old 2007 models? hahaaha


CTV news just reported that Honda and Chrysler both dropped prices in Canada. Apparently up to $9,000 on more expensive models.

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20071105.RHONDA05/TPStory/Business
"incentives"?! "Incentives to be ripped off" would be more like it. Honda Pilot SE is available for CA$28k in the US, and in Canada it'll be about $39k after the new incentive. Pffft!



THey can stuff that incentive up their ass, what a bunch of a-holes, the incentive is for 2007 models right? so we are talking about a 1 year old car, so they better give you an incentive on an old model lol

[MrDisco]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20071105.RHONDA05/TPStory/Business
"incentives"?! "Incentives to be ripped off" would be more like it. Honda Pilot SE is available for CA$28k in the US, and in Canada it'll be about $39k after the new incentive. Pffft!

cash?? geez so much for that whole line about how financing is one of the reasons canadians should buy in canada :| give me a lower price and the financing and we'll talk :)

[eastsidesubaru]

Psst... take a look at what it says for your Location. ;)

Haven't heard anything about not being able to advertise on the internet.. Besides, this website is a .com and hosted on servers in the US, right? :D
Referring more specifically to radio/tv/print.

[accorder]

CTV news just reported that Honda and Chrysler both dropped prices in Canada. Apparently up to $9,000 on more expensive models.

CTV's report was mis-leading. it was not prices drop in fact. the 2008 MSRP should be dropped. the incentives is just a token gesture that tries to fool Canadians.

[rbsx]

Hey guys, I'm starting up a small side business of importing cars for people for a service fee $500 bucks, that will go into my pocket.

It's a niche market and I've found that some people are too lazy to bring them across, or are scared that it's too complicated.. I want to exploit peoples fears and lazyness haha.

As a result I've got a few questions.

I'm going to be bringing the cars across the border, and from what I understand the title will be in my name.

I will bring the car across, pay duties and GST at the border, and then get the car inspected and pay PST.

At some point I will need to transfer the title to the next owner and pay PST again on the car.

Is there any way I can avoid paying the taxes twice?

[eastsidesubaru]

Hey guys, I'm starting up a small side business of importing cars for people for a service fee $500 bucks, that will go into my pocket.

It's a niche market and I've found that some people are too lazy to bring them across, or are scared that it's too complicated.. I want to exploit peoples fears and lazyness haha.

As a result I've got a few questions.

I'm going to be bringing the cars across the border, and from what I understand the title will be in my name.

I will bring the car across, pay duties and GST at the border, and then get the car inspected and pay PST.

At some point I will need to transfer the title to the next owner and pay PST again on the car.

Is there any way I can avoid paying the taxes twice?

You're limited to importing 2 vehicles a year for personal use afaik. So you would have to start an import business... and if you going to go through all that trouble, why do it for $500?

[reddy54]

Update:
I guess I sneaked in under the radar. Today I registered the vehicle at MTO, paid the PST and got the plates. The only thing left is to put on the door sticker when I get it. I am sleeping a lot better now...

My new Sienna:
2008 Sienna XLE, FWD, Build 12.10.07, Color: Desert Sand Mika / Interior: Fawn
Add EVP1 Heated leather seats and sunshades
Add daytime running lights, fog lights and windshield deicer grid package
Add tow prep package (heavy duty radiator and fan, 150 amp battery and alt. power steering oil cooler
Add carpet floor mats and door sill protector

Total drive of the lot price $ 29,160 CDN

US Tax (to register in the state purchased) Not needed on a new vehicle exported to Canada

Wire fees, transportation to dealership, gas, 1 night motel, food, bridge toll, plates, AC Tax, GST, PST, RIV, CT,
Total $ 4,730

Total cost registered and plated $ 33,890

The feeling of having saved about $ 13,000.00 - PRICELESS

Toolman
How were you able to avoid state taxes. I was under impression that Toyota will not sell new without registering the car

[reddy54]

I went to look at a Tribeca last night at a dealer. Salesperson told me he does not sell the cars only leases them. Told me that he would not be able to look at himself in the mirror knowing that I can get the car $15k cheaper if I drove 120 miles to USA

[dotcalamitie]

rsbx congratulations on taking the entrepreneurial plunge. Why not just purchase the cars originally in the buyers name? $500 isn't going to be enough money to get you going, maybe you charge $500 plus expenses and if you are bringing in a car a day you are making $120,000 a year.

[Bullseye]

Hey guys, I'm starting up a small side business of importing cars for people for a service fee $500 bucks, that will go into my pocket.

It's a niche market and I've found that some people are too lazy to bring them across, or are scared that it's too complicated.. I want to exploit peoples fears and lazyness haha.

As a result I've got a few questions.

I'm going to be bringing the cars across the border, and from what I understand the title will be in my name.

I will bring the car across, pay duties and GST at the border, and then get the car inspected and pay PST.

At some point I will need to transfer the title to the next owner and pay PST again on the car.

Is there any way I can avoid paying the taxes twice?

You'd only be paying the PST twice, but that is a smaller problem compared to the issue of how many vehicles you will be allowed to import (no one seems to know for sure, but you can bet there is a limit).

It would be smarter to act as a car buying assistant of sorts, you guide the person through the whole process, drive them down, help them at the border, etc. Nothing ever goes in your name.

[shopper-X]

Dude - you are wrong, a lot of vehicles are made in Ontario, its the #1 manufacturing area in North America.

We are still supporting the Auto workers of North American by buying in the US.
It's the same car! We are still buying the vehicle made by someones relative but we are not supporting the Canadian Head Office that has ripped us off for so long.

My point is if the sale of the Honda Civic increases in the US and decreases in Canada, Honda will continue to produce/sell close to the same number of vehicles.

[jnmontario]

All you Subaru dealers should be advertising in the Toronto Star - I just bought my Prius off of a Toyota dealer in Buffalo because of their advertisement there.

BTW, does the 3 day waiting period for registration apply to used cars as well. All the discussion on the 3 day waiting period was centered around new cars.

I'm assuming you bought a 2007. Otherwise you're stuck with a 2008 that can't legally cross the border.

[daftfunk]

My good friend's father went into a local Cdn Hyundai dealership for a Tuscan. He requested to pay the US price. The dealer kindly told him to return in a few weeks as they will be price adjusting.

I need some opinions. If the gap is small, should he go for it? The reason I ask is because of future residual. My concern is that US imports may have a much lower resale, so the amortized cost over say 5 years would be the same? For many years I've noticed that cars listed on trader.ca with miles rather than KMs always sell for much less - for whatever reason.

What do you guys think about future residual on US imports?

[reddy54]

You'd only be paying the PST twice, but that is a smaller problem compared to the issue of how many vehicles you will be allowed to import (no one seems to know for sure, but you can bet there is a limit).

It would be smarter to act as a car buying assistant of sorts, you guide the person through the whole process, drive them down, help them at the border, etc. Nothing ever goes in your name.

I think you can avoid the 2x PST issue as follows. Have a contract with your buyer that you are selling them the car FOB the border meaning they take title at the border. You will export the car from the USA in your name and when you go to CDA customs you will be the representative of the buyer who is the importer. This way you yourself pay no PST.
Points to consider
Buyer may have to get insurance
You on behalf of buyer may have to get a temporary permit from provincial DMV

[killbillvol1]

My good friend's father went into a local Cdn Hyundai dealership for a Tuscan. He requested to pay the US price. The dealer kindly told him to return in a few weeks as they will be price adjusting.

I need some opinions. If the gap is small, should he go for it? The reason I ask is because of future residual. My concern is that US imports may have a much lower resale, so the amortized cost over say 5 years would be the same? For many years I've noticed that cars listed on trader.ca with miles rather than KMs always sell for much less - for whatever reason.

What do you guys think about future residual on US imports?

This is just an aggravation tactic from the Canadian dealer. Just go and buy from the US while the dollar is so high.

[daftfunk]

This is just an aggravation tactic from the Canadian dealer. Just go and buy from the US while the dollar is so high.

killbill, I haven't spoken to any Cdn dealers.... just lookin for opinions from fellow RFDers.

[wally_walrus]

Dude - you are wrong, a lot of vehicles are made in Ontario, its the #1 manufacturing area in North America.

Lexus RX350 made right here in Ontario.

BTW - i was in Home Depot and asked a sales associate when are you going to match American prices. He came up with a big list of reasons. the one that stood out was health care - wrong o buddy, companies don't pay for health care, but they do in the US.


I'm afraid you asked the wrong person

[spdztr]

My good friend's father went into a local Cdn Hyundai dealership for a Tuscan. He requested to pay the US price. The dealer kindly told him to return in a few weeks as they will be price adjusting.

I need some opinions. If the gap is small, should he go for it? The reason I ask is because of future residual. My concern is that US imports may have a much lower resale, so the amortized cost over say 5 years would be the same? For many years I've noticed that cars listed on trader.ca with miles rather than KMs always sell for much less - for whatever reason.

What do you guys think about future residual on US imports?


I'm sure that it will still be worth it to buy in the states, although I don't think the Tucson is built in North America, so the 6% applies (nullified by the dollar exchange). I saved about $9K on my fully loaded Santa Fe, and I strongly doubt that Hyundai Canada will lower the prices by more than $2-3K. For the price of a Tucson here, you can get a loaded Santa Fe in the US, with no duty.

[longdong]

Buy the US car, the current US price is equivacent of 2 years old used car in Canada. It's impossible for the Cdn dearlership to cut the price gap alot, they can't (unless the manufacture decide otherwise)





My good friend's father went into a local Cdn Hyundai dealership for a Tuscan. He requested to pay the US price. The dealer kindly told him to return in a few weeks as they will be price adjusting.

I need some opinions. If the gap is small, should he go for it? The reason I ask is because of future residual. My concern is that US imports may have a much lower resale, so the amortized cost over say 5 years would be the same? For many years I've noticed that cars listed on trader.ca with miles rather than KMs always sell for much less - for whatever reason.

What do you guys think about future residual on US imports?

[daftfunk]

I'm sure that it will still be worth it to buy in the states, although I don't think the Tucson is built in North America, so the 6% applies (nullified by the dollar exchange). I saved about $9K on my fully loaded Santa Fe, and I strongly doubt that Hyundai Canada will lower the prices by more than $2-3K. For the price of a Tucson here, you can get a loaded Santa Fe in the US, with no duty.

Good point, it's made in Korea. $9K?! Good for you!
I do expect the Cdn price adjustment to be small but I'm more curious about residual right now.

[daftfunk]

Buy the US car, the current US price is equivacent of 2 years old used car in Canada. It's impossible for the Cdn dearlership to cut the price gap alot, they can't (unless the manufacture decide otherwise)

My question was about future residual. I'm a finance guy so I look at too many things before I decide. ;)

[whampoa]

My good friend's father went into a local Cdn Hyundai dealership for a Tuscan. He requested to pay the US price. The dealer kindly told him to return in a few weeks as they will be price adjusting.

I need some opinions. If the gap is small, should he go for it? The reason I ask is because of future residual. My concern is that US imports may have a much lower resale, so the amortized cost over say 5 years would be the same? For many years I've noticed that cars listed on trader.ca with miles rather than KMs always sell for much less - for whatever reason.

What do you guys think about future residual on US imports?

Funk, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but when a salesman kindly ask your friend's father to return in a few weeks as they will be price adjusting.

It means to get lost, and not to come back.

It's nearly impossible for most automaker to match US price for the next year or so, unless they are desperate, low sales vehicle or a used car.

In my experience, depending on the make and model, I find it surprisingly easier to purchase a new vehicle in the US than over here. Go figure!

Since you have a pretty good idea how much you're suppose to pay, dealer willing to make a deal and less sales hassle as everything is done over the phone.

[toolman]

Toolman
How were you able to avoid state taxes. I was under impression that Toyota will not sell new without registering the car

The dealer sent me a form called "Exemption Certificate" that I had to sign.
I had to take the vehicle straight out of the state I bought it in.

[googz]

First off, thanks yet again to Monsieurmaggot for starting this thread and then to all the others who've added to it. It's by far the most informative and useful source of information out there on the subject of importing vehicles from the U.S. Way more accurate and objective than most articles/reports put out by the media so far.

Big thanks to tico1948 as well for the referral to Xan at Manchester Subaru and allowing me to pester him with questions along the way!

Anyway, just brought home yesterday my new 2008 Subaru Tribeca 7-psg Limited. Loving the vehicle almost as much as the amount of money I saved! OTD price including a bunch of accessories (puddle lights, moonroof deflector, rear bumper cover, cargo tray, luggage cover, reverse sensors, mudguards) was about $31,250.

Travel costs were a night's stay in Buffalo, one-way flight from Buffalo to Manchester, NH and gas for the drive from Manchester to Toronto - totalled about $300.

Border crossing was simple thanks to this forum, as I was prepared for what was needed and where to go. Stopped at RIV yesterday (where I answered everyone's questions about the importing process even when RIV didn't know the answers), then got the inspection at CT and will go to MTO today for plates. Very smooth process!

All-in-all I estimate that I saved about $15,000 off the CDN MSRP of the 5-psg Limited (closest model for comparison), plus the tax savings of $2100, plus the savings on the accessories. So over $17,000 in savings for my $300 travel costs and $200 RIV fee. And that's comparing my 7-psg versus the CDN 5-psg model.

Even if a CDN dealer knocked $5000 off the MSRP, which based on my experience with most CDN dealers is extremely optimistic, it would still be $12,000 in savings.

I highly recommend Xan at Manchester Subaru for anyone considering a Subaru vehicle. I spoke with Van Bortel, West Herr and Northtown in addition to Xan. Everyone I dealt with at each dealership was extremely friendly and co-operative; nothing but positive things to say about them all. Way better than dealing with CDN dealers.

In the end it just came down to price and Xan won by a longshot. He knew that it was extra time and money for me to come down to New Hampshire and simply made it worth my while. I saw flights from Buffalo for as low as $85 to Manchester on Expedia, though by the time I booked it was a "whopping" $140 (our CDN airfares are so ridiculous!).

In the words of tico1948 who referred me to Xan, "In my Honest Opinion, you owe it to yourself to at least contact him.It costs you nothing but you may gain alot." And he was right.

Thanks again, and as I've said to those who've PM'ed me previously, I'll certainly answer any questions people have and try to provide the same help others gave me along the way.

[Tender]

My question was about future residual. I'm a finance guy so I look at too many things before I decide. ;)

The money you saved by buying in U.S. is already worth two years of depreciation. In five years? At the current speed of the dealers bringing over used U.S. cars for sale here, I'm pretty sure the Canadian used car prices will probably fall faster than the U.S. used cars. You'll be gouged twice by buying here.

[Tender]

...Anyway, just brought home yesterday my new 2008 Subaru Tribeca 7-psg Limited. Loving the vehicle almost as much as the amount of money I saved! ...I saw flights from Buffalo for as low as $85 to Manchester on Expedia, though by the time I booked it was a "whopping" $140 (our CDN airfares are so ridiculous!)...

Congratulations googz! So it was you that Xan mentioned had bought a $140 ticket to Manchester! Way to go!

[hammer]

I was at RIV listening in on some pros who are importing MB, Acura and they were pissed that the local Canadian dealers were lowering the prices...Their profit was reduced by THOUSANDS! Looks like things are slowly equlibrating...

[ian46]

I believe I may have vented my frustration with too high
a volume. My sole intent was to freely express my opinions
and highlight some troublesome issues and not to offend
any individual members or groups of people.

In addition I would like to stress that my opinions are my
own and do not reflect those of any group or company.

Good Luck All & Final Bye

[daftfunk]

The money you saved by buying in U.S. is already worth two years of depreciation. In five years? At the current speed of the dealers bringing over used U.S. cars for sale here, I'm pretty sure the Canadian used car prices will probably fall faster than the U.S. used cars. You'll be gouged twice by buying here.

You make some interesting points. If the import volumes are so large, residual values won't matter because the entire market will be depressed!

[daftfunk]

Funk, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but when a salesman kindly ask your friend's father to return in a few weeks as they will be price adjusting.

It means to get lost, and not to come back.

It's nearly impossible for most automaker to match US price for the next year or so, unless they are desperate, low sales vehicle or a used car.

In my experience, depending on the make and model, I find it surprisingly easier to purchase a new vehicle in the US than over here. Go figure!

Since you have a pretty good idea how much you're suppose to pay, dealer willing to make a deal and less sales hassle as everything is done over the phone.

You're probably right. My friend's father has some time so we'll see what happens. I know the accountant of a local Cdn new car dealership who told me that sales have dropped to almost nothing. Something has to change!

[bigbug]

In the end it just came down to price and Xan won by a longshot. He knew that it was extra time and money for me to come down to New Hampshire and simply made it worth my while. I saw flights from Buffalo for as low as $85 to Manchester on Expedia, though by the time I booked it was a "whopping" $140 (our CDN airfares are so ridiculous!).



When I worked in Boston, I always took US Airways from Buffalo to Boston for $99 return tax incl. while aircanada would screw me for $359 one way!

[HighFlyer]

The money you saved by buying in U.S. is already worth two years of depreciation. In five years? At the current speed of the dealers bringing over used U.S. cars for sale here, I'm pretty sure the Canadian used car prices will probably fall faster than the U.S. used cars. You'll be gouged twice by buying here.

When I bought my car, I made sure it had every option I've always wanted, or could imagine that I could ever want. I now intend on driving my car into the ground, so when it gets hauled to the scrap yard 10-15 years from now, it will only differ by hundreds, if that.

[rafku]

I have a question that must be on everyone's minds (once you're home safe with your car plated :). I imported an Outback for savings close to 14k. So if I bought here, who would make this extra $14k in profit? At least in case of Subaru Canada, they are just importers and warranty providers, and I think they are quite separate from SofA. I can't believe that the dealers here make extra 14k on each sale. Is it S of Canada which does? Or is it S of A because they managed to get S of Canada to sign a long-term contract which locks the prices?

Who is it then? Dealer, Canadian parent company, car maker?? Which pocket(s) do all these extra dollars from Canadian-side sales line?

just curious

[HighFlyer]

1 CAD = 1.08 Bush Pesos :cheesygri

[reddy54]

I have a question that must be on everyone's minds (once you're home safe with your car plated :). I imported an Outback for savings close to 14k. So if I bought here, who would make this extra $14k in profit? At least in case of Subaru Canada, they are just importers and warranty providers, and I think they are quite separate from SofA. I can't believe that the dealers here make extra 14k on each sale. Is it S of Canada which does? Or is it S of A because they managed to get S of Canada to sign a long-term contract which locks the prices?

Who is it then? Dealer, Canadian parent company, car maker?? Which pocket(s) do all these extra dollars from Canadian-side sales line?

just curious

My guess is the car maker.

[HondaSucks]

You're limited to importing 2 vehicles a year for personal use afaik. So you would have to start an import business... and if you going to go through all that trouble, why do it for $500?

Just think that if everyone on this site purchased 2 cars a year from the U.S. what a tremendous impact it would have!

[rgc97]

This is one of many current supply chain issues -- does anyone extract 'more than their share' of profits along the supply chain.

Fortunately for Subaru, they control the supply chain, from manufacture through to the dealers. So head office sets the price for each region (US, Canada, Europe, etc.). Not only can they make money by charging more in different regions (different currencies, different standards, etc.) where buyers are willing to pay more, but they can also control WHERE they make profit (and pay taxes) along their supply chain.

It's a nice situation for Subaru. And in a classic case like this, the parent company doesn't mind if a regional subsidiary (Subaru Canada) makes less money because overall sales and profits are up (on a North American basis).

Also, consider the economic concept of 'price elasticity'. With Canadians able to buy cars cheaper across the border, we're more likely to buy a car and to spend more on it (I was looking for a 1 yr old Sienna LE in Canada, and ended up buying a new XLE in the US). I expect Subaru is enjoying a very nice sales increase currently (and sales reports confirm this). Too bad Honda and Toyota are ignoring this. The result is that dealers are bringing in used Japanese cars, and making a killing.

In the end, you can't stop free enterprise, only hinder it. We'll continue to see adjustments, but it will take time. Bombardier recently started giving rebates to people who prepurchased new '08 sleds. It's only a matter of time before RIV and TC update their allowable vehicle list and allow more '08s in. And none of the manufacturers are dumb -- they'll work out price adjustments for both Canada and the US.


I have a question that must be on everyone's minds (once you're home safe with your car plated :). I imported an Outback for savings close to 14k. So if I bought here, who would make this extra $14k in profit? At least in case of Subaru Canada, they are just importers and warranty providers, and I think they are quite separate from SofA. I can't believe that the dealers here make extra 14k on each sale. Is it S of Canada which does? Or is it S of A because they managed to get S of Canada to sign a long-term contract which locks the prices?

Who is it then? Dealer, Canadian parent company, car maker?? Which pocket(s) do all these extra dollars from Canadian-side sales line?

just curious

[ac328]

My guess is the car maker.

Well to be fair to the carmakers (just to play devil's advocate, I am thinking about buying a car down south too!) not every single penny of cash flow is instantly realized as profit when the exhange rate moves up or down, nor do the carmakers necessarily incur a loss.

Most large businesses hedge their F/X (foreign exchange) exposure months or years in advance using F/X forward contracts if they face the procpect of having to sell cars in a foreign currency, or import supplies in a foreign currency. This protects them from currency fluctuations (on the revenue side), but also locks in their expenses (for hedges of expense items like raw materials). This gives them limited scope for movement on prices when, say, the CAD$ appreciates 20 to 30%+ in a year (as in 2007 so far). That is not to say every business hedges their F/X exposure 100%, many do not.

Once a lot of these forward contracts are settled, new contracts are negotiated which may allow the carmakers scope to lower prices since the forward price should now reflect the market's sense of where the CAD$ will be at a certain point in the future, which would now take into account the 2006/2007 appreciation. Of course, they can always simply choose to cash in short-term.

Having said that ever carmaker likely does things a little differently, and some are undoubtledly profiting handsomely if they are converting cash flow in Canada to US$ to be spent down south.

[st7860]

Well to be fair to the carmakers

I don't think anyone here cares about being fair to the carmakers when they are not reducing their prices in Canada quickly enough.

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

My good friend's father went into a local Cdn Hyundai dealership for a Tuscan. He requested to pay the US price. The dealer kindly told him to return in a few weeks as they will be price adjusting.

I need some opinions. If the gap is small, should he go for it? The reason I ask is because of future residual. My concern is that US imports may have a much lower resale, so the amortized cost over say 5 years would be the same? For many years I've noticed that cars listed on trader.ca with miles rather than KMs always sell for much less - for whatever reason.

What do you guys think about future residual on US imports?

Hmm, i'd still purchase a bmw 335i 2007 coupe over there, say i pay 35K there and keep the car for 3 years.

Since the price of it new is close to 60K with tax over here then a 4 year old car with maybe 50K on it would sell for at least 25K in Canada. No matter if it is american or canadian, so id' lose around 10K over 3 years on the car, which i can stomach.

[RRKnight]

OK, I found a Lexus dealer who is willing to sell brand new to Canadians but they want a US address to register the car. So how does process work compare to not having to register a car with a US Address? I've already imported a new Subaru, but did not have to use a US Address and now I need one for the Lexus. Can any RFDer can help?

Thanks.

[ac328]

I don't think anyone here cares about being fair to the carmakers when they are not reducing their prices in Canada quickly enough.

I think the whole point of this thread is vote with your wallet. Go where the best prices are, which currently means the US. True, many carmakers are throwing up barriers. So, don't buy their cars!

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

Well to be fair to the carmakers

when is the last time they were fair to us? :)
I say buy used/new in the States, never from Canadian dealers until they lower the damn price.

What will happen if the Canadian dollar hits 1.20? Will the crazy car makers still gouge the living crap out us? OR will they pretend they are doing somethinhg and they will give us an "Incentive" of 1,500 cash back lol

[J233]

I think I remember a few messages wrt the topic but can't quickly find any......have a question about Ontario temp plates... Can I buy one and use them legally in the US, just to bring the car over or it is just plain silly idea ?

[sheriffabc]

Guys:

Lets please stop griping and bitxxing about the Government, the car dealers and manufacturers, etc in this great thread. Infact, I suggest the moderator remove all those posts and start another post with those gripes etc.

Lets keep this thread for advice, exchange of information - and just be more helpful and provide creative solution.

The process is simple - you have to make the decision. There are many helpful RFDers here - who have gone through the experience - and will gladly help you and provide input.

TIA

[rafku]

Thanks for this nice explanation. So I guess Subaru (of A, the car maker/US distributor) is the one making a killing here. In a sense trying to have a cake and eat it too, right? Keep prices high in Canada for those who can afford them and are too afraid to stick their nose out of the country, but also sell more cars to those who are brave, especially since they have gained entry into a completely new market. I mean $35k CAD Subaru is just out of the question for someone considering a Honda Accord or some Toyota, but suddenly becomes a fair play for 20+k down south.

So why are Toyota's and Honda's not looking into the same crystal ball? I must say this behaviour disparity fascinates me now that I have my Subbie.



This is one of many current supply chain issues -- does anyone extract 'more than their share' of profits along the supply chain.

Fortunately for Subaru, they control the supply chain, from manufacture through to the dealers. So head office sets the price for each region (US, Canada, Europe, etc.). Not only can they make money by charging more in different regions (different currencies, different standards, etc.) where buyers are willing to pay more, but they can also control WHERE they make profit (and pay taxes) along their supply chain.

It's a nice situation for Subaru. And in a classic case like this, the parent company doesn't mind if a regional subsidiary (Subaru Canada) makes less money because overall sales and profits are up (on a North American basis).

Also, consider the economic concept of 'price elasticity'. With Canadians able to buy cars cheaper across the border, we're more likely to buy a car and to spend more on it (I was looking for a 1 yr old Sienna LE in Canada, and ended up buying a new XLE in the US). I expect Subaru is enjoying a very nice sales increase currently (and sales reports confirm this). Too bad Honda and Toyota are ignoring this. The result is that dealers are bringing in used Japanese cars, and making a killing.

In the end, you can't stop free enterprise, only hinder it. We'll continue to see adjustments, but it will take time. Bombardier recently started giving rebates to people who prepurchased new '08 sleds. It's only a matter of time before RIV and TC update their allowable vehicle list and allow more '08s in. And none of the manufacturers are dumb -- they'll work out price adjustments for both Canada and the US.

[flatman]

I think I remember a few messages wrt the topic but can't quickly find any......have a question about Ontario temp plates... Can I buy one and use them legally in the US, just to bring the car over or it is just plain silly idea ?

Getting a Temporary (Trip) Permit






A Temporary (Trip) Permit is a windshield decal issued for a roadworthy motor vehicle or trailer in Ontario which is either owned/leased by an Ontario resident or a resident of another jurisdiction. It is valid for ten days starting with the date of issue. Permits cannot be obtained before the date of issue. A vehicle displaying a trip permit is exempt from Ontario registration while the permit is valid. A 10-Day trip permit allows vehicles to be driven to licensing offices, garages and for other necessary short-term transportation purposes.

A trip permit can be used by the owner of a vehicle when he/she is required to complete the transfer of ownership of the vehicle within six days of buying the vehicle.

As of December 8, 2004:

Applicants must pay outstanding fines and NSFs before receiving a trip permit.
Owners of all vehicles, except laden (loaded) commercial vehicles, are eligible to obtain a maximum of four trip permits per vehicle over a 365-day period.
The redesigned permit has the VIN (Vehicle Identification Number) and the Expiry Date on the side of the permit which is visible from outside of the vehicle.

There are two permits as of December 8, 2004. A blue and white permit is used by motorcycles, passenger or unladen commercial vehicles. A red and white permit is used by laden commercial vehicles.

A trip permit authorizes the operation of a fit vehicle in Ontario:

with expired/without plates;
at a higher gross vehicle weight than indicated on the plate portion of the permit of a commercial vehicle registered in Ontario; or
while moving from one jurisdiction to another (corridor movement).
To apply for a trip permit, take the following items to any ServiceOntario Driver and Vehicle Licence Issuing Office:

your original fit vehicle permit;
if the permit is not registered in your name, a Bill of Sale from the person named on the permit to you, if available;
if the vehicle is registered as unfit, a Safety Standards Certificate (SSC) is also required;
name of your insurance company and policy number. The vehicle to which the trip permit will be attached must be insured at the time when the trip permit is issued.

Applicants must pay outstanding fines and NSFs before receiving a trip permit.
For further information about Temporary (Trip) Permits, please complete our online feedback form, or contact the ServiceOntario Driver and Vehicle Contact Call Centre at 416-235-2999 or toll free (Canada-Wide) at 1-800-387-3445.

Fee Table
Temporary Trip Permits Cost
Passenger vehicle, motorcycle, motor-assisted bicycle, trailer $15.00
Unladen commercial vehicle $15.00
Laden commercial vehicle (single truck) $75.00
Combination of commercial motor vehicle or trailer if either is laden, or a permanently attached machine/apparatus not designed or used for transportation of persons or property. $132.00

Effective January 1, 2005, all personal cheques must be certified.

[dotcalamitie]

if the sales reps are telling customers to the US...can you imagine how demoralized they must be. Honestly, what decent sales rep would sell you a car for $10,000 more than somewhere else when all he gets is his usual commission? Where is the value in buying a Canadian car? The warranty? Does that justify the $27,000 new Nissan 350Z vs $51,000 for it in Canada? You could buy two 350Z's in the US, and keep one for spare parts for just a few thousand more. Stick that up your butt Mr. Nissan.

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

if the sales reps are telling customers to the US...can you imagine how demoralized they must be. Honestly, what decent sales rep would sell you a car for $10,000 more than somewhere else when all he gets is his usual commission? Where is the value in buying a Canadian car? The warranty? Does that justify the $27,000 new Nissan 350Z vs $51,000 for it in Canada? You could buy two 350Z's in the US, and keep one for spare parts for just a few thousand more. Stick that up your butt Mr. Nissan.


haha so true, get a spare car for parts :D

[5136440]

My guess is the car maker.

Don't forget the government will have their share of the profit because you pay a higher price.

[5136440]

Hey guys, I'm starting up a small side business of importing cars for people for a service fee $500 bucks, that will go into my pocket.

It's a niche market and I've found that some people are too lazy to bring them across, or are scared that it's too complicated.. I want to exploit peoples fears and lazyness haha.

As a result I've got a few questions.

I'm going to be bringing the cars across the border, and from what I understand the title will be in my name.

I will bring the car across, pay duties and GST at the border, and then get the car inspected and pay PST.

At some point I will need to transfer the title to the next owner and pay PST again on the car.

Is there any way I can avoid paying the taxes twice?

The beauty of this thread is ppl helping ppl for FREE. Ask OP Monsieurmaggot how much he should be richer if everybody pays him $500 that bought cars from the states because of him and I do not mind doing that. But again, so many great ppl here make the thread lively approach 1 million hits.

I would recommend you start a new thread for folks in the business of bringing cars to the north. For the rest of us, I am not interested how you are doing it.

[HondaSucks]

The beauty of this thread is ppl helping ppl for FREE. Ask OP Monsieurmaggot how much he should be richer if everybody pays him $500 that bought cars from the states because of him and I do not mind doing that. But again, so many great ppl here make the thread lively approach 1 million hits.

I would recommend you start a new thread for folks in the business of bringing cars to the north. For the rest of us, I am not interested how you are doing it.

I would like to defer to the Originator.. Mr Mag! What do you want to do!

Do we have a thread for education / information on procedures, do we have one on good deals south of the border / and do we have one for folks experiencing problems with the RIV list?

Just some thoughts

[Dreyfus]

In Recreational Vehicle circles particularly for fulltimers and snowbirds there are a number of states that facilitate "residency" or "domicile" for vehicle licences, insurance, permanent address (street as opposed to mail box) and other services. Three states figure prominently in the discussions, namely South Dakota, Texas, Florida and New Hampshire is also mentioned for specific purposes. The companies that are long established in the business are very protective of their reputation so everything is legal and above board. If you absolutely must have a US drivers license and address check out www.alternativeresources.net and www.escapees.com in the latter go into the fulltimers forum and keyword search. Canadians use these services, be upfront about what you hope to accomplish.

[NoooProblem]

Hi, lots of very useful information on this wonderful thread. :) :)

I have a question regarding what vehicle category the Tribeca falls under on the Transport Canada admissibility page. The page http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/Menu.htm lists pretty much the whole Subaru fleet under Section (3), but no mention of the Tribeca. Does the Tribeca fall under Section (3) also or is it under Section (5.4)?

I am confused but there is an easy answer, I'm sure.

[dayfut]

I would like to know about this as well. Since I sell a lot of stuff thru ebay to the states, I already have a US address in Washington, but that address is just a PO Box. The fact that it is a PO Box is hidden though, since instead of saying PO Box, it says Suite #xxx, ..... Does anyone know if this will suffice? Is it difficult to to register a car in the states? I know it is pretty easy in Alberta, they dont check too much.


OK, I found a Lexus dealer who is willing to sell brand new to Canadians but they want a US address to register the car. So how does process work compare to not having to register a car with a US Address? I've already imported a new Subaru, but did not have to use a US Address and now I need one for the Lexus. Can any RFDer can help?

Thanks.

[reddy54]

5.4

[reddy54]

Hi, lots of very useful information on this wonderful thread. :) :)

I have a question regarding what vehicle category the Tribeca falls under on the Transport Canada admissibility page. The page http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/Menu.htm lists pretty much the whole Subaru fleet under Section (3), but no mention of the Tribeca. Does the Tribeca fall under Section (3) also or is it under Section (5.4)?

I am confused but there is an easy answer, I'm sure.

5.4

[EL820]

From what I gather, US dealers are only allowed to sell NEW Subarus & Hyundais to Canadians. Am I correct?

[lh0628]

From what I gather, US dealers are only allowed to sell NEW Subarus & Hyundais to Canadians. Am I correct?

NO.

[EL820]

From what I gather, US dealers are only allowed to sell NEW Subarus & Hyundais to Canadians. Am I correct? NO.

Care to elaborate?

[mangoman]

Care to elaborate?

I think they're allowed to sell USED ones too :cheesygri

[EL820]

I think they're allowed to sell USED ones too :cheesygri

Thanks.

I'm aware US dealers are allowed to sell USED vehicles to Canadians. My original question was which manufacturers are allowing their US dealers to sell NEW vehicles to Canadians to export back to Canada?...only Subarus & Hyundais?

[rbsx]

You'd only be paying the PST twice, but that is a smaller problem compared to the issue of how many vehicles you will be allowed to import (no one seems to know for sure, but you can bet there is a limit).

It would be smarter to act as a car buying assistant of sorts, you guide the person through the whole process, drive them down, help them at the border, etc. Nothing ever goes in your name.


Thanks for your advice, I've already considered this idea, the issue I'm worried about is marketability, I'm afraid if the word 'assistant' comes up, people will think that they end up doing most of the work, and will just end up doing it themselves.


rsbx congratulations on taking the entrepreneurial plunge. Why not just purchase the cars originally in the buyers name? $500 isn't going to be enough money to get you going, maybe you charge $500 plus expenses and if you are bringing in a car a day you are making $120,000 a year.


Thats what I'm trying to figure out as well, however, I'm afraid that I will run into issues bringing the car over the border in the purchasers name.. when I'm driving it/having it transported.

All of the prices I've quoted people on have been +expenses.

I'm working this idea from two directions

1) A paperwork service, fill out all the paper work and take care of conversions. $300 - $500 fee +expenses.

2) Car purchase and resale: Purchasing a car for someone and taking a %cut of the savings.

[rbsx]

Also, does anyone have any information as to the cost of acquiring an import license in BC from the States?

If I end up doing any sort of real volume, I won't be able to slip under the radar forever.

I hate paying taxes to the government, but I'll have to do it eventually I suppose.

[Tender]

Also, does anyone have any information as to the cost of acquiring an import license in BC from the States?

If I end up doing any sort of real volume, I won't be able to slip under the radar forever.

I hate paying taxes to the government, but I'll have to do it eventually I suppose.

Hmm... how much are you willing to pay for this advice?

[mangoman]

From what I gather, US dealers are only allowed to sell NEW Subarus & Hyundais to Canadians. Am I correct?

From what I've read of the experiences of the members here it really depends on who you call, and how far south you're willing to go to. It would seem that most of the manufacturers with the exception of Subaru, Hyundai and I believe BMW have instructed their US border-state dealers not to sell to Canadians for export and seem to be the only ones that offer Manufacturer-backed warranties on this side of the border. There have been some exceptions and that doesn't mean you can't get yourself an aftermarket warranty to cover your car. Unfortunately, you're probably going to have to email or call some dealers once you've narrowed down your list of possible candidates for purchase that meet your criteria.

[ac328]

Thanks.

I'm aware US dealers are allowed to sell USED vehicles to Canadians. My original question was which manufacturers are allowing their US dealers to sell NEW vehicles to Canadians to export back to Canada?...only Subarus & Hyundais?

Uhhh, that's not how your question was phrased.

Anyway, in answer to your question, AFAIK, these are the following that do not allow new sales:

BMW
Honda/Acura
Toyota/Lexus
GM (all brands)
Chrysler

However, there have been the odd dealer selling the above brands that might be willing to sell NEW...the further you go from the border, the more likely you might find dealers willing to sell.

The following allow sales to Canadians no problem:

Subaru
Hyundai
Infiniti
Mercedes-Benz (I think)

Your best bet is to call dealers directly and speak to a new car salesperson.

[aimfox]

thanks OP!!!!!!!!!!

[sb_tor]

Uhhh, that's not how your question was phrased.

Anyway, in answer to your question, AFAIK, these are the following that do not allow new sales:

BMW
Honda/Acura
Toyota/Lexus
GM (all brands)
Chrysler

However, there have been the odd dealer selling the above brands that might be willing to sell NEW...the further you go from the border, the more likely you might find dealers willing to sell.

The following allow sales to Canadians no problem:

Subaru
Hyundai
Infiniti
Mercedes-Benz (I think)

Your best bet is to call dealers directly and speak to a new car salesperson.

I think Ford allows sales to Canadians as well.

[rbsx]

Hmm... how much are you willing to pay for this advice?

For someone to do all the legwork for me? $300-500, but thats just me.

[rbsx]

This thread is for personal savings rbsx, not for entrepreneurs to learn how to do their business. And with your attitude, you've already crashed and burned in the eyes of anyone that reads this thread.

Thats nice, I'm sure you speak for everyone.

[CheapScotsman]

Also, does anyone have any information as to the cost of acquiring an import license in BC from the States?

If I end up doing any sort of real volume, I won't be able to slip under the radar forever.

I hate paying taxes to the government, but I'll have to do it eventually I suppose.If you are selling cars out of your own company/name you will also have to get a car dealer license from the provincial government. The regulators look hard at curbsiders.

[diigii]

Uhhh, that's not how your question was phrased.

Anyway, in answer to your question, AFAIK, these are the following that do not allow new sales:

BMW
Honda/Acura
Toyota/Lexus
GM (all brands)
Chrysler

However, there have been the odd dealer selling the above brands that might be willing to sell NEW...the further you go from the border, the more likely you might find dealers willing to sell.

The following allow sales to Canadians no problem:

Subaru
Hyundai
Infiniti
Mercedes-Benz (I think)

Your best bet is to call dealers directly and speak to a new car salesperson.


I think Ford allows sales to Canadians as well.

Nissan too! I have to plug my car in there somehow! :D

[flaming homer]

Thats nice, I'm sure you speak for everyone.Yes he does, otherwise why are we sharing our experiences for free ?

[lh0628]

Yes he does, otherwise why are we sharing our experiences for free ?

+1.

[diigii]

Thanks for your advice, I've already considered this idea, the issue I'm worried about is marketability, I'm afraid if the word 'assistant' comes up, people will think that they end up doing most of the work, and will just end up doing it themselves.




Thats what I'm trying to figure out as well, however, I'm afraid that I will run into issues bringing the car over the border in the purchasers name.. when I'm driving it/having it transported.

All of the prices I've quoted people on have been +expenses.

I'm working this idea from two directions

1) A paperwork service, fill out all the paper work and take care of conversions. $300 - $500 fee +expenses.

2) Car purchase and resale: Purchasing a car for someone and taking a %cut of the savings.

You haven't started your import enterprise yet and I've already shut it down. You just don't know it yet. How? I've given free advice to a lot of people here in this forum and off it to people I work with, play sports with, my family, family friends, my friends, my friends' friends, relatives, etc. I've convinced them it's not that hard. And I'm not the only one disseminating free info and advice to potential buyers. A lot of the successful members are also giving out advices to others, as a way of returning the favor. The point of this forum is to cut out the middlemen (brokers) and you're turning into one, preying on others' inabilities. And, I think you're outnumbered. Just drop it, for your sake.

[sb_tor]

1 CAD = 1.0865 Bush Pesos

[EL820]

Uhhh, that's not how your question was phrased.

Anyway, in answer to your question, AFAIK, these are the following that do not allow new sales:

BMW
Honda/Acura
Toyota/Lexus
GM (all brands)
Chrysler

However, there have been the odd dealer selling the above brands that might be willing to sell NEW...the further you go from the border, the more likely you might find dealers willing to sell.

The following allow sales to Canadians no problem:

Subaru
Hyundai
Infiniti
Mercedes-Benz (I think)

Your best bet is to call dealers directly and speak to a new car salesperson.


Thanks for the info...this is exactly what I'm looking for.

[PHANTOMPHOENIX]

1 CAD = 1.0865 Bush Pesos

1 CAD = 1.09021 Bush Pesos

Pretty soon the Mexicans will want to be paid in their own pesos.

[Rehan]

So now a top-of-the-line Sienna XLE Limited AWD is under CA$36k in the US, and a Sienna LE FWD is CA$37k here in Canada. Sheesh.

At this exchange rate, you could basically have an Amerifriend buy and register a car in the US (and pay the local/state taxes) before transferring it to you, and you would still be getting it "at par". :|

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

I think Ford allows sales to Canadians as well.

i called 3 dealers today and they said no they are not supposed to, but maybe just around the border, the further south you go, they might not care.

[Kamloops]

xe right now

0.93034983
Inverse: 1.07486449

[Dreyfus]

I walked through a Toyota dealership lot last evening there were fewer new and used cars on the lot than in the last 10 years. Something is going on. Also hear that business plans are being worked on feverishly by the new car dealerships no major decisions or initiatives before Dec.. I expect the dealers are pressuring the Mfrs. and Govt. for relief. If its not better in the morning take two aspirin might be all the relief that they will get.

[rbsx]

Yes he does, otherwise why are we sharing our experiences for free ?

You are sharing your information that people that are inclined to learn, namely myself, because I'm bringing up an M3 for personal use.

The fact is there are alot of people that aren't as technologically savvy enough to browse the internet to find out how to do it, or are generally too lazy, or can't be bothered to go through the effort themselves to do it.

I am in no way besmirching what you guys are doing here, and I think it is great, and I'm not attempting to take away from what you guys do here.

What I'm trying to do is market a service to people for people that would like to do it but won't for the aforementioned reasons. I do all of the hardwork, arranging transport, coordinating with the customs services, things that generally put people off of going across the border.

I hope you guys understand that I'm just trying to help people with things that would save them thousands for a small fee, there is nothing preventing you guys from doing exactly the same thing, and don't get angry at me if I am trying to fill a niche.

[rbsx]

You haven't started your import enterprise yet and I've already shut it down. You just don't know it yet. How? I've given free advice to a lot of people here in this forum and off it to people I work with, play sports with, my family, family friends, my friends, my friends' friends, relatives, etc. I've convinced them it's not that hard. And I'm not the only one disseminating free info and advice to potential buyers. A lot of the successful members are also giving out advices to others, as a way of returning the favor. The point of this forum is to cut out the middlemen (brokers) and you're turning into one, preying on others' inabilities. And, I think you're outnumbered. Just drop it, for your sake.

Drop what for my sake? Many businesses are developed out of the sake of other peoples inabilities.

Those inabilities are usually there purely by choice. Have you ever taken your clothes to the drycleaners? Why? Becuase you're unable to do it yourself.

Like I said in my above post I'm not taking away from what you guys are saying, and I don't plan on marketing it here on RFD because many people here have obviously expressed interest in doing it themselves.

I'm not charging for advice, that would be stupid, I've already pointed many people to this thread, but I would like to capitalize on charging to do all the work for people that can't be bothered, not the research not the advice, but finding the car for the people, filling out all of the paperwork, arranging for transport, and arranging to get their car modified for them which is something, despite all of the 'intelligence' on RFD, can't seem to grasp.

[Bincent]

You are sharing your information that people that are inclined to learn, namely myself, because I'm bringing up an M3 for personal use.

The fact is there are alot of people that aren't as technologically savvy enough to browse the internet to find out how to do it, or are generally too lazy, or can't be bothered to go through the effort themselves to do it.

I am in no way besmirching what you guys are doing here, and I think it is great, and I'm not attempting to take away from what you guys do here.

What I'm trying to do is market a service to people for people that would like to do it but won't for the aforementioned reasons. I do all of the hardwork, arranging transport, coordinating with the customs services, things that generally put people off of going across the border.

I hope you guys understand that I'm just trying to help people with things that would save them thousands for a small fee, there is nothing preventing you guys from doing exactly the same thing, and don't get angry at me if I am trying to fill a niche.

I understand where rbsx is coming from.

Yes, there are people that are going take their time and look up the info provided here and elsewhere on the internet.

However, there are a number of reasons why people may want someone else to do it for them:
- people may not be internet savvy and have no idea of where to start. If they are willing to pay someone for this service, then there is value in it for them.
- may be too busy and cannot take the time off to investigate and head down to the US (ie. a single mother of 2 children)
- realize that there is a savings to be made by buying from the US, but don't want to be bothered by the hassle.

Regardless of the reason, the information is free for the taking. If people can make money from it, then by all means. I certainly don't see a problem with it because he's not holding a gun to their head making them go through him to buy a car from the US. It's an option and some people are willing to pay for the convenience.

[HondaSucks]

Drop what for my sake? Many businesses are developed out of the sake of other peoples inabilities.

Those inabilities are usually there purely by choice. Have you ever taken your clothes to the drycleaners? Why? Becuase you're unable to do it yourself.

Like I said in my above post I'm not taking away from what you guys are saying, and I don't plan on marketing it here on RFD because many people here have obviously expressed interest in doing it themselves.

I'm not charging for advice, that would be stupid, I've already pointed many people to this thread, but I would like to capitalize on charging to do all the work for people that can't be bothered, not the research not the advice, but finding the car for the people, filling out all of the paperwork, arranging for transport, and arranging to get their car modified for them which is something, despite all of the 'intelligence' on RFD, can't seem to grasp.

You can always hook up with them. Most of us here are trying to effect change, give out free avice and help the small consumer along. Yhis is not a difficult process.

[ffonly]

These two vehicles hit the RIV "inadmissable" list today. I had one on order for the last month and a half. Crap!

[Bincent]

I'm not charging for advice, that would be stupid, I've already pointed many people to this thread, but I would like to capitalize on charging to do all the work for people that can't be bothered, not the research not the advice, but finding the car for the people, filling out all of the paperwork, arranging for transport, and arranging to get their car modified for them which is something, despite all of the 'intelligence' on RFD, can't seem to grasp.

I don't see a problem charging for advice. Lawyers charged tons of money for advice. I would have paid someone to teach me what I needed to do rather than spending countless hours reading through 200+ pages of posts. My time is worth money and if someone is willing to walk me through my process/situation step by step, I would have paid for that advice.... of course though, the catch is how much you would have charged :razz:

[ac328]

These two vehicles hit the RIV "inadmissable" list today. I had one on order for the last month and a half. Crap!

Pure BS. Toyota's really playing hardball now.

Does anyone have any sense Subaru will shut down sales to Canadians anytime soon? I want to wait for my lease to end, and for the GST cut, but I'm afraid that bad things may happen in the new year...

[rbsx]

I don't see a problem charging for advice. Lawyers charged tons of money for advice. I would have paid someone to teach me what I needed to do rather than spending countless hours reading through 200+ pages of posts. My time is worth money and if someone is willing to walk me through my process/situation step by step, I would have paid for that advice.... of course though, the catch is how much you would have charged :razz:

See if the only thing people wanted was advice I've generally pointed them in the directoin of RFD, I'd be the brawn behind importing the stuff, thats my niche, thats what I want to do.

[Dreyfus]

Drop what for my sake? Many businesses are developed out of the sake of other peoples inabilities.

Those inabilities are usually there purely by choice. Have you ever taken your clothes to the drycleaners? Why? Becuase you're unable to do it yourself.

Like I said in my above post I'm not taking away from what you guys are saying, and I don't plan on marketing it here on RFD because many people here have obviously expressed interest in doing it themselves.

I'm not charging for advice, that would be stupid, I've already pointed many people to this thread, but I would like to capitalize on charging to do all the work for people that can't be bothered, not the research not the advice, but finding the car for the people, filling out all of the paperwork, arranging for transport, and arranging to get their car modified for them which is something, despite all of the 'intelligence' on RFD, can't seem to grasp.

To make a viable business out of it you would need capital in excess of $100,000, a markup of $500 would guarantee bankruptcy in excess of $2000 might keep you afloat. In business today you get a lot of wishy washy people who are accustomed to returning things without question. A mans word is no longer as good as his bond and the methods you would need to employ to keep them to their word would get you in jail. IMO the more people , private or semi demi quasi private importing cars the better off we will all be. I am all for pristine virgin purity chastity and apple pie but someone willing to import cars for a markup of $500 should be canonized not subjected to criticism.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I would like to defer to the Originator.. Mr Mag! What do you want to do!

Do we have a thread for education / information on procedures, do we have one on good deals south of the border / and do we have one for folks experiencing problems with the RIV list?

Just some thoughts

If I got a dollar for every person who asked me that question I'd be rich.

When I started this thread a year ago, it was more of a comment on what I was reading and discovering in my quest for a new car. From the first few replies, you will see many people didn't know anything about the process and most thought it was impossible to bring in cars from the US. My original post was really no different than any other post on this site. I did know that if what I was discovering was true, there would be considerable savings to be had (not the usual WOW I got a video game at 50% off type of thread). I didn't think about how popular it would become.

Frankly I was a bit disappointed when a few months back this thread lost a popularity contest held on this site. Oh well, so be it.

I find it almost offensive that people are charging others for information that is available to everyone for free. Some sites have sprung up and have actually posted my personal thoughts and pictures. As long as there's no advertisement redirection, I'm fine with that. Sites aren't free and using advertisement to pay for the site is one thing. To use it as a money making venture is something else.

I don't have ANY problem giving my opinions to others or provide some FAQ, pictures or other thoughts to their websites. As the originator, I still have copyright ownership of those thoughts, ideas and pictures. If they appear on any site, publication that chooses to charge for the information, then I will be quite happy to provide clearance, usage or licensing rights.

I've been approached by some to stop commenting on this site and to set up a dedicated website where we could share in the proceeds. While that would be nice, that's of no interest to me.

Zach set up the carburner.com WIKI to provide free insight. I've contributed to that site.

Some people want to import cars for others. Good for them. Charge what you want. Importers are charging people $5000+ to do what we know can be done for $200. I have no problem with that either.

I do have a problem when people consider themselves "experts" and quote or use information that is provided by RFDers for free.

Remember that michelb started the orginal FAQ. Others added to it. It's a community now. No one can claim ownership to this stuff.

Most of the information anyone comes up with most likely was compiled from this site.

Remember the "import cars from the US" sites didn't exist before this thread started.

Maybe we should collectively go after those sites for copyright infringement. I hope they're not using my pictures. My pictures were all watermarked anyway (yes they are).

[rbsx]

If I got a dollar for every person who asked me that question I'd be rich.

When I started this thread a year ago, it was more of a comment on what I was reading and discovering in my quest for a new car. From the first few replies, you will see many people didn't know anything about the process and most thought it was impossible to bring in cars from the US. My original post was really no different than any other post on this site. I did know that if what I was discovering was true, there would be considerable savings to be had (not the usual WOW I got a video game at 50% off type of thread). I didn't think about how popular it would become.

Frankly I was a bit disappointed when a few months back this thread lost a popularity contest held on this site. Oh well, so be it.

I find it almost offensive that people are charging others for information that is available to everyone for free. Some sites have sprung up and have actually posted my personal thoughts and pictures. As long as there's no advertisement redirection, I'm fine with that. Sites aren't free and using advertisement to pay for the site is one thing. To use it as a money making venture is something else.

I don't have ANY problem giving my opinions to others or provide some FAQ, pictures or other thoughts to their websites. As the originator, I still have copyright ownership of those thoughts, ideas and pictures. If they appear on any site, publication that chooses to charge for the information, then I will be quite happy to provide clearance, usage or licensing rights.

I've been approached by some to stop commenting on this site and to set up a dedicated website where we could share in the proceeds. While that would be nice, that's of no interest to me.

Zach set up the carburner.com WIKI to provide free insight. I've contributed to that site.

Some people want to import cars for others. Good for them. Charge what you want. Importers are charging people $5000+ to do what we know can be done for $200. I have no problem with that either.

I do have a problem when people consider themselves "experts" and quote or use information that is provided by RFDers for free.

Remember that michelb started the orginal FAQ. Others added to it. It's a community now. No one can claim ownership to this stuff.


I'm pretty sick of arguing over this, I'm not charging for advice, I'm charging for DOING everything for them. If people are willing to learn to do it themselves (just like I have) then I point them to this thread, the fact is many people are to lazy, so people like myself will exist.

[PaulieScatone]

did everyone notice how the Multiple Use Vehicle seciton has now been broken down in 2 sections:

SECTION (5.3) MULTIPURPOSE PASSENGER VEHICLES(MPV)MANUFACTURED BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2007

SECTION (5.4) MULTIPURPOSE PASSENGER VEHICLES (MPV) MANUFACTURED AFTER SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2007

The old 5.3 section automatically allowed all new vehicles to be imported as long as it wasn't identified as being inadmissable. Now they have broken it down by manufacturer.

[st7860]

I find it almost offensive that people are charging others for information that is available to everyone for free. Some sites have sprung up and have actually posted my personal thoughts and pictures.

I hereby and solemnly declare, +1

and furthermore, RBSX shouldn't be coming on here and charging for doing anything.

[ac328]

See if the only thing people wanted was advice I've generally pointed them in the directoin of RFD, I'd be the brawn behind importing the stuff, thats my niche, thats what I want to do.

Not to rain on your parade but isn't there already people offering to do what you propose, a la car import brokers? I remember seeing mention of A & A brokers, they charge a few hundred for handling paperwork, don't they? Unless your service is different, in which case I am all ears, really. I'm don't really want to have to go all the way to Washington state for a new Subaru...

In a free market if you offer a service people think is valuable they will be lining up to pay you for it. If not, well, then...

Best of luck in your venture.

[rbsx]

Not to rain on your parade but isn't there already people offering to do what you propose, a la car import brokers? I remember seeing mention of A & A brokers, they charge a few hundred for handling paperwork, don't they? Unless your service is different, in which case I am all ears, really. I'm don't really want to have to go all the way to Washington state for a new Subaru...

In a free market if you offer a service people think is valuable they will be lining up to pay you for it. If not, well, then...

Best of luck in your venture.


The reality is I'll do it for less, I'm not in for the cash haul like a lot of other people are and if it's within a reasonable distance I'll go down and arrange for inspections of the vehicle and whatever else the client wants.

The benefit of a smaller operation.

[GoKartRacer]

Drop what for my sake? Many businesses are developed out of the sake of other peoples inabilities.

Those inabilities are usually there purely by choice. Have you ever taken your clothes to the drycleaners? Why? Becuase you're unable to do it yourself.

Like I said in my above post I'm not taking away from what you guys are saying, and I don't plan on marketing it here on RFD because many people here have obviously expressed interest in doing it themselves.

I'm not charging for advice, that would be stupid, I've already pointed many people to this thread, but I would like to capitalize on charging to do all the work for people that can't be bothered, not the research not the advice, but finding the car for the people, filling out all of the paperwork, arranging for transport, and arranging to get their car modified for them which is something, despite all of the 'intelligence' on RFD, can't seem to grasp.


rbsx you are charging for a service and I think thats fine. If you do the work for someone else because they are lazy, dont have the time, etc then thats not a problem. I think about when I get a haircut, I am paying my barber for a service. I could cut my own hair if i wanted to, but I dont have the time to do it...it also would look like A$$ if i did it..

Look at yardwork, well I know how to mow the lawn and plant flowers and stuff in my garden, but maybe I choose to pay someone to do it for me because im too lazy to do it, or dont have the time (I actually do it..but this is hypothetical).

as Mr Maggot said, dealers are charging 2k-5k just for doing this and you are doing it yourself for $500. We recently (this past weekend) just brought up an 2008 Lexus ES350 from New Jersey and went through the motions of registering it here in ontario (btw I will post soon on my ES350 :-)..thank you to everyone here)..anyway let me tell you that it is an easy process yes, but it is time consuming. I gave up pretty much a day of work after waiting in line at the RIV and Ministry and Crappy Tire(yes I know RIV you can do online and wait for forms). But I mean I took away one day of salary from my pocket as an investment in the car. Well maybe other people dont have this luxury of being able to take a vacation day, or unpaid day...so anyway you can see where I am going with this rant...

advice should be given for free (as you mentioned) but if your providing a service, doing work for someone else..there is no problem in getting paid for it...

[st7860]

The reality is I'll do it for less, I'm not in for the cash haul like a lot of other people are and if it's within a reasonable distance I'll go down and arrange for inspections of the vehicle and whatever else the client wants.

The benefit of a smaller operation.

"Post the hot deals you find here! This forum is not for private sales or self promotion."

[Monsieurmaggot]

I'm pretty sick of arguing over this, I'm not charging for advice, I'm charging for DOING everything for them. If people are willing to learn to do it themselves (just like I have) then I point them to this thread, the fact is many people are to lazy, so people like myself will exist.

I'm not accusing you of that. If you want to charge people to import a car for them, good for you.

I've been approached plenty of times (and maybe it's just my character but I would never consider charging anyone for my input) by some people willing to pay me to help them out. There's no need to pay me for this information or my opinion.

Maybe if we ever have an importer get together, someone can buy be a beer.

It feels good to me to "give it to the man" since as a consumer I didn't appreciate the condescending attitude the Canadian dealers gave me when I was car shopping. I was in disbelief (still am) when I look at what I was able to accomplish.

When I was interviewed by the CTV reporter, he commented on how "passionate" I was about the whole importing process. He couldn't believe how easy it is to actually import a Subaru from the US.

[rbsx]

"Post the hot deals you find here! This forum is not for private sales or self promotion."

I wouldn't advertise here anyways, everyone thats on this forum probably has the know how and willingness to learn to do it themselves.

[badkarma]

Great... latest RIV says post-Sept 1st built Acura MPV's are inadmissable. Wife's in the States with a 2 week old Acura MDX. Am I completely screwed here, or can Acura provide a letter that the MDX meets CMVSS114?

[reddy54]

[QUOTE=badkarma;5887654]Great... latest RIV says post-Sept 1st built Acura MPV's are inadmissable. Wife's in the States with a 2 week old Acura MDX. Am I completely screwed here, or can Acura provide a letter that the MDX meets CMVSS114?[/QUOTE
. You may also be able to get a 3rd party installer to attest that the imobilizer complies. Call RIV to confirm all this

[ac328]

Great... latest RIV says post-Sept 1st built Acura MPV's are inadmissable. Wife's in the States with a 2 week old Acura MDX. Am I completely screwed here, or can Acura provide a letter that the MDX meets CMVSS114?

This is really starting to smell like a conspiracy! Buy Subaru, Infiniti, Audi or Hyundai I say...

Stick it to the man!

[Dreyfus]

Brokers handle formalities at the border. They are not an all inclusive service that will buy your car and transport it across the border to your driveway. For $300 or more depending on cost of the car they handle the exit with US customs, the entry to Canada with Canada customs. The transport will be supplied by the customer or in a separate agreement for an additional cost by the Broker and their affiliated transport service. The all inclusive service:
1. Select the car.
2. Buy the car
3. Pay for the car + Insure the car.
4) Process plate and title and delivery of paper to US customs. Wait 72 hours.
5) Drive or truck car to US Customs. Process paper.
6) Drive or truck car to Canada Customs. Pay GST and fees.
7) Drive or truck car to customers driveway.
8) Deal with MTO temp permit
9) Deal with RIV
10) Deal with CTC
11) Deal with RIV again
12) Deal with MTO
13) Bring insurer up to date

All that while holding the customers hand and coordinating payments or paying yourself while hoping for reimbursement is not a quick risk free stroll in the park. Allinclusive service cannot be done for <$2000 if your time is worth the minimum wage. Even if you were putting six at a time on a car carrier it would be difficult to do it for $1,000 per car.

[badkarma]

[QUOTE=badkarma;5887654]Great... latest RIV says post-Sept 1st built Acura MPV's are inadmissable. Wife's in the States with a 2 week old Acura MDX. Am I completely screwed here, or can Acura provide a letter that the MDX meets CMVSS114?[/QUOTE
. You may also be able to get a 3rd party installer to attest that the imobilizer complies. Call RIV to confirm all this

I just got off the phone with RIV. The only way I can bring it in is if Acura USA provides a letter saying that the vehicle meets CMVSS114. Nothing else. So I'm basically screwed.

[st7860]

Brokers handle formalities at the border. They are not an all inclusive service that will buy your car and transport it across the border to your driveway. For $300 or more depending on cost of the car they handle the exit with US customs, the entry to Canada with Canada customs. The transport will be supplied by the customer or in a separate agreement for an additional cost by the Broker and their affiliated transport service. The all inclusive service:
1. Select the car.
2. Buy the car
3. Pay for the car + Insure the car.
4) Process plate and title and delivery of paper to US customs. Wait 72 hours.
5) Drive or truck car to US Customs. Process paper.
6) Drive or truck car to Canada Customs. Pay GST and fees.
7) Drive or truck car to customers driveway.
8) Deal with MTO temp permit
9) Deal with RIV
10) Deal with CTC
11) Deal with RIV again
12) Deal with MTO
13) Bring insurer up to date

All that while holding the customers hand and coordinating payments or paying yourself while hoping for reimbursement is not a quick risk free stroll in the park. Allinclusive service cannot be done for <$2000 if your time is worth the minimum wage. Even if you were putting six at a time on a car carrier it would be difficult to do it for $1,000 per car.

how much do all of those fees cost? more than $500?

for people in Vancouver, Seattle Washington is a $40 4 hour bus ride. I don't understand how doing it for under $2000 = making less than $30 an hour.

[Danno2005]

[QUOTE=reddy54;5887686]

I just got off the phone with RIV. The only way I can bring it in is if Acura USA provides a letter saying that the vehicle meets CMVSS114. Nothing else. So I'm basically screwed.


An aftermarket device that meets CMVSS114 will work. You might be "unscrewed". :idea:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/Explanations.htm


9. Every Passenger vehicle, multipurpose passenger vehicle, truck and 3 wheeled vehicle manufactured after September 1, 2007 and with a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) less than 4,536 kg (10,000 lbs), except an emergency vehicle or a walk-in van, must be equipped with an immobilization system that meets CMVSS 114.
While many vehicles manufactured for the United States market offer the electronic immobilization system as an option, there are some makes and models where this system is not available from the manufacturer. In many cases, an after market system that meets the intent of CMVSS114 can be installed by a third party. However you should check with the manufacturer to see if the installation of such an after market system compromises the vehicle warranty. Importers should check with the manufacturer to determine whether a vehicle is equipped or can be equipped with an electronic immobilization system that meets the intent of CMVSS 114, before purchasing and importing a vehicle.
Electronic immobilizers require a special key or small electronic device to start a vehicle's engine. Usually you attach this to your key ring.
This type of system, when activated, totally immobilizes engine systems in response to any attempt to start the vehicle without using an authorized key, by shutting off one or more parts of the engine's electrical system. This might include the starter, ignition or fuel system.
As part of the RIV inspection, the importer will be required to supply documentation to prove that the vehicle came equipped with a factory installed system that complies with CMVSS 114 or that a recognized aftermarket system that meets the intent of CMVSS 114, has been installed.

[Danno2005]

And here is a list of authorized aftermarket immobolizers.

http://www.ibc.ca/en/Insurance_Crime/Prevention_Investigation/Immobilizers/Immobilizers_List.asp

[longdong]

Funny thing, the same vehicle will be able to import if it was manufactured before september 2008 and another identical vehicle will not able to import if manufactured after september 2008.

But I just read that there is one guy was able to import the Toyota Sienna XLE 2008 manufactured on October 2nd 2008 and he was able to import .. looks like it's very depending on your luck if your vehicle was manufactured after september 2008





did everyone notice how the Multiple Use Vehicle seciton has now been broken down in 2 sections:

SECTION (5.3) MULTIPURPOSE PASSENGER VEHICLES(MPV)MANUFACTURED BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2007

SECTION (5.4) MULTIPURPOSE PASSENGER VEHICLES (MPV) MANUFACTURED AFTER SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2007

The old 5.3 section automatically allowed all new vehicles to be imported as long as it wasn't identified as being inadmissable. Now they have broken it down by manufacturer.

[gregorykay]

Ok so ive heard conflicting reports some people say Nissan does not honour the warranty while others say they do. Any body have expierience buying a nissan and finding out?

If they do not honour the warranty is there some way i can get the warranty here by purchasing a warranty here? What is that called and how would i do it?
Thanx

[Shaun091382]

RIV needs the print out of the the vehicle history showing no recalls, not just the letter. Several people have encountered this now, including myself. My dealer (VB) provided it, I just didn't send it originally, thinking they didn't need that part, but they do.

B&W is fine. Scanned and e-mailed is fine.


Straight from the RIV's website:

"A recall clearance letter is a document issued by the original equipment manufacturer (OEM) of your vehicle that states whether or not there are any outstanding recalls on your vehicle. If you are not sure of what a recall is, simply put, it is a safety defect on your vehicle as a result of the original manufacturing process. The OEM is responsible for notifying the last known owner, and fixing the problem normally at their expense. It's best to obtain this information before you import the vehicle to avoid any unnecessary delays.

The letter must come from the OEM's head office and be written on official company letterhead, duly signed with the name and position of the official at the OEM clearly visible. If the manufacturer's logo is not on the letter it will not be accepted."

A printout MAY also be accepted from an authorized dealer for further reading keep reading the RIV website for more information.

[badkarma]

And here is a list of authorized aftermarket immobolizers.

http://www.ibc.ca/en/Insurance_Crime/Prevention_Investigation/Immobilizers/Immobilizers_List.asp

Nice cash grab. Has anyone here gone down this route? MDX already has an immobilizer but I guess it's not up the strict Canadian laws that keep us "safe".

[nguyentri]

I'm pretty sick of arguing over this, I'm not charging for advice, I'm charging for DOING everything for them. If people are willing to learn to do it themselves (just like I have) then I point them to this thread, the fact is many people are to lazy, so people like myself will exist.

I think this thread should stick to talking about how an individual can buy a car and save thousands by buying in the US. That is a hot deal!

If you want to talk about how to start a business importing cars from the US, then perhaps you should start a new thread (eg. how do I import >2 cars per year). To me that is not a hot deal.

We are in the hot deals forum after all.

[HondaSucks]

[QUOTE=badkarma;5887793]


An aftermarket device that meets CMVSS114 will work. You might be "unscrewed". :idea:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/Explanations.htm


9. Every Passenger vehicle, multipurpose passenger vehicle, truck and 3 wheeled vehicle manufactured after September 1, 2007 and with a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) less than 4,536 kg (10,000 lbs), except an emergency vehicle or a walk-in van, must be equipped with an immobilization system that meets CMVSS 114.
While many vehicles manufactured for the United States market offer the electronic immobilization system as an option, there are some makes and models where this system is not available from the manufacturer. In many cases, an after market system that meets the intent of CMVSS114 can be installed by a third party. However you should check with the manufacturer to see if the installation of such an after market system compromises the vehicle warranty. Importers should check with the manufacturer to determine whether a vehicle is equipped or can be equipped with an electronic immobilization system that meets the intent of CMVSS 114, before purchasing and importing a vehicle.
Electronic immobilizers require a special key or small electronic device to start a vehicle's engine. Usually you attach this to your key ring.
This type of system, when activated, totally immobilizes engine systems in response to any attempt to start the vehicle without using an authorized key, by shutting off one or more parts of the engine's electrical system. This might include the starter, ignition or fuel system.
As part of the RIV inspection, the importer will be required to supply documentation to prove that the vehicle came equipped with a factory installed system that complies with CMVSS 114 or that a recognized aftermarket system that meets the intent of CMVSS 114, has been installed.


Honda says they will not guarantee the safety or the performance of the vehicle if a compliant 3rd party immobilizer is installed. This is like installing a new more powerful radio in your new car and the manufacturer not guaranteeing the safety or performance!!!

[longdong]

Buy a 6 months old used car from US, so the warranty will be covered ... check www.apa.ca but Digii ??? he claims that he bought a nissan 2008 and lately he did a service at Nissan dealer and they honor the warranty.... so it's your choice and your risk if you decide to buy a new nissan.



Ok so ive heard conflicting reports some people say Nissan does not honour the warranty while others say they do. Any body have expierience buying a nissan and finding out?

If they do not honour the warranty is there some way i can get the warranty here by purchasing a warranty here? What is that called and how would i do it?
Thanx

[jafferk]

Wow, RIV told me 2 weeks ago that I can import a 2008 MDX, and now they changed their mind... The list of inadmissible cars has grown tremendously... Transport Canada is just a puppet....


SECTION (5.3) MULTIPURPOSE PASSENGER VEHICLES(MPV)MANUFACTURED BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2007

SECTION (5.4) MULTIPURPOSE PASSENGER VEHICLES (MPV) MANUFACTURED AFTER SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2007

[badkarma]

[QUOTE=Danno2005;5887898]


Honda says they will not guarantee the safety or the performance of the vehicle if a compliant 3rd party immobilizer is installed. This is like installing a new more powerful radio in your new car and the manufacturer not guaranteeing the safety or performance!!!

I'm on the phone with an installer right now. Apparently doesn't affect any of the stock immobilizer functionality, just have an extra touchpad or something. Honda can lick my !@#$, not honouring warranty because you installed something, did Honda forget the don't honour warranties for imported US cars anyways? I'll just remove it before bringing it to the dealer, shouldn't be a problem.

[HondaSucks]

[QUOTE=HondaSucks;5887997]

I'm on the phone with an installer right now. Apparently doesn't affect any of the stock immobilizer functionality, just have an extra touchpad or something. Honda can lick my !@#$, not honouring warranty because you installed something, did Honda forget the don't honour warranties for imported US cars anyways? I'll just remove it before bringing it to the dealer, shouldn't be a problem.

Transport Canada will not put it on the "admissible" list untill Honda America states that adding another 3rd party compliant immobilizer will not affect the safety or performance of the car...

I don't care about the warranty ... they won't honor it anyway. The issue is that Transport Canada not willing to make a call, they operate as a passive organization.

[J233]

Funny thing, the same vehicle will be able to import if it was manufactured before september 2008 and another identical vehicle will not able to import if manufactured after september 2008.

But I just read that there is one guy was able to import the Toyota Sienna XLE 2008 manufactured on October 2nd 2008 and he was able to import .. looks like it's very depending on your luck if your vehicle was manufactured after september 2008

I don't thing it's just luck. What I heard today was that if your 2008 vehicle is inadmissible based on Nov 01 update but your dealer bill of sale shows a date before Nov 01 RIV will OK the import - again, I heard it but didn't verify it myself.

[RRKnight]

OK, the Lexus dealer I was dealing with now back out and will not sell me a new one. Anyone have any luck with a Lexus dealer? I'm willing to buy used too, but have to be 2007 or 2008.

Thanks.

[HondaSucks]

I don't thing it's just luck. What I heard today was that if your 2008 vehicle is inadmissible based on Nov 01 update but your dealer bill of sale shows a date before Nov 01 RIV will OK the import - again, I heard it but didn't verify it myself.

Just make it the October 26th update.... and the RIV and Transport Canada will have made a very gracious move. It might be wrong to block people from buying in the US, but it is really criminal and sad to inflict this turmoil on folks that have these cars sitting in their driveways.... and can't get them registered....

Transport Canada has to realize that the implementation of the new law caught many many people off guard.

[dotcalamitie]

rsbx, go for it!!! Start your business and run with the ball and run hard. Give your customers great service and value for money and you'll be rich one day. There is a huge demand for your service in Canada. HUGE! Figure it out and don't let the naysayers dissuade you from pursuing a dream. Only you can make it reality!!!

[badkarma]

Does anyone have a copy of the Oct 26th or earlier VAFUS.pdf file? RIV says I need to call Transport Canada to prove that my vehicle was admissable before the latest update. I purchased my vehicle on Oct 23rd.

[RRKnight]

OK, I'm having a hard time getting a brand new Lexus so I'm going to jump ship for a brand new infiniti G37. Does anyone know a dealer near Mississauga will sell me a new G37 in the US?

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

[QUOTE=badkarma;5888045]

Transport Canada will not put it on the "admissible" list untill Honda America states that adding another 3rd party compliant immobilizer will not affect the safety or performance of the car...

I don't care about the warranty ... they won't honor it anyway. The issue is that Transport Canada not willing to make a call, they operate as a passive organization.


Wow RIV/Transport Canada sure is a puppet, makes me want to puke thinking the government isn't helping us.

[jwstewart]

I have noticed a number of posters have commented that they have purchased a US vehicle and then can't get the proper documents (usually recall clearance letter) to return to Canada.

While I don't have a solution to those already '"screwed", it would seem the only way to prevent that situation is to make the recall clearance letter one of the "deliverables".

By specifying in the offer to purchase that a recall letter from the OEM head office is to be supplied, it should give some recourse if one is not provided.

Of course, specifying such would be an obvious statement that the vehicles is going to be exported, and would probably cause the dealer to refuse the sale if the manufacturer has a policy against exports.

I wonder if the local (forum) Subaru dealers would agree to such a condition ?

[accorder]

[QUOTE=Danno2005;5887898]


Honda says they will not guarantee the safety or the performance of the vehicle if a compliant 3rd party immobilizer is installed. This is like installing a new more powerful radio in your new car and the manufacturer not guaranteeing the safety or performance!!!

I used to be an pround Accord owner. I have changed my mind already!!!

[accorder]

I'm pretty sick of arguing over this, I'm not charging for advice, I'm charging for DOING everything for them. If people are willing to learn to do it themselves (just like I have) then I point them to this thread, the fact is many people are to lazy, so people like myself will exist.

hey rbsx, I support you. I know some of my busy friends would use your service if they are in the market.

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

OK, I'm having a hard time getting a brand new Lexus so I'm going to jump ship for a brand new infiniti G37. Does anyone know a dealer near Mississauga will sell me a new G37 in the US?
That is a nice looking car, it was my first choice for a new car, except i have my sights on a new 335i coupe... or maybe a new Series 135i coupe in March...

BMW Canada you are a stinkin gouging piece of crap. Lower the 3 series by at least $9,000 already. :)

[longdong]

Change your mind man, I was on the process to buy an Honda Odyssey 2007, already wired money ... and then Honda America to warm dealer of not selling vehicle to canadian .. and then the dealer stops selling vehicle to me ... the dealer didn't want to wire back my money ... just a simple check .. I must wait for a month for my check to be clear by my bank ... they didn't want to re-imburse my transfer fee .. losing the exchange rate big time since end of september ... Honda really sucks big time ...


NO MORE HONDA IN MY ENTIRE LIFE ... COUNT ON ME ....





[QUOTE=HondaSucks;5887997]

I used to be an pround Accord owner. I have changed my mind already!!!

[longdong]

Honda America will not send any clearance letter to canadian even a used car (but it's ok if you are american ) ... big big discrimination from Honda ... don't even buy Honda in Canada.



Change your mind man, I was on the process to buy an Honda Odyssey 2007, already wired money ... and then Honda America to warm dealer of not selling vehicle to canadian .. and then the dealer stops selling vehicle to me ... the dealer didn't want to wire back my money ... just a simple check .. I must wait for a month for my check to be clear by my bank ... they didn't want to re-imburse my transfer fee .. losing the exchange rate big time since end of september ... Honda really sucks big time ...


NO MORE HONDA IN MY ENTIRE LIFE ... COUNT ON ME ....




[QUOTE=accorder;5888402]

[eastsidesubaru]

I have noticed a number of posters have commented that they have purchased a US vehicle and then can't get the proper documents (usually recall clearance letter) to return to Canada.

While I don't have a solution to those already '"screwed", it would seem the only way to prevent that situation is to make the recall clearance letter one of the "deliverables".

By specifying in the offer to purchase that a recall letter from the OEM head office is to be supplied, it should give some recourse if one is not provided.

Of course, specifying such would be an obvious statement that the vehicles is going to be exported, and would probably cause the dealer to refuse the sale if the manufacturer has a policy against exports.

I wonder if the local (forum) Subaru dealers would agree to such a condition ?

I provide the recall clearance letter from my dealership as per the riv.ca rules ( http://www.carburner.com/index.php?title=Paperwork_Required_To_Complete_Pro cess and http://www.riv.ca/english/html/recall_clearance.html ) so it should not be an issue unless RIV stops taking dealership-provided recall clearance letters.


By the way.. Messages: Unread 0, Total 160. Your PM box is 91% full.
Keep it up guys :D

[diigii]

Sorry it took me a long time to post pics of my car. Here they are.

This was taken on Aug 27 when we went to the dealership and saw my car for the very first time. As you can see, it still had its plastic wrap in strategic areas. I drove it home still with the hood plastic on so it won't get any stone chips. :D

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc121/diigii/DSC_0112.jpg

These were taken on my cousin's driveway after I picked it up.

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc121/diigii/DSC_0163-1.jpg

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc121/diigii/DSC_0162.jpg

[jafferk]

Can you bring the car into Canada and then get the immobilizer installed? Or does it have to be done in the US prior to importation?

[toystoys]

BadKarma said: Does anyone have a copy of the Oct 26th or earlier VAFUS.pdf file? RIV says I need to call Transport Canada to prove that my vehicle was admissable before the latest update. I purchased my vehicle on Oct 23rd.


I have an older (June 21/07) .pdf that I saved to my desktop that says they are admissable .... from what I can see.

Been laying in the weeds for a long time .... reading but never posting. Have imported two vehicles a new 2007 Solara SLE and a 2006 Honda Pilot.

Your situation aroused the 'good neighbor' policy in my cold heart:) ... good luck .... PM me.

[kellan165]

For those of you having trouble getting a recall clearance letter directly from the manufacturer, RIV will still accept a letter directly from the dealer. I just brought back an Acura MDX and was pissed off to find out that Honda America recently stopped giving out recall letters. The dealer though had no problem typing one up for me. Honda/Acura also has a site called https://www.ahm-ownerlink.com You can register, type in your VIN, print out that page and then print out the next page that says there are no recalls on your vehicle. RIV will accept this as well.

[Hannicho]

I have noticed a number of posters have commented that they have purchased a US vehicle and then can't get the proper documents (usually recall clearance letter) to return to Canada.

While I don't have a solution to those already '"screwed", it would seem the only way to prevent that situation is to make the recall clearance letter one of the "deliverables".

By specifying in the offer to purchase that a recall letter from the OEM head office is to be supplied, it should give some recourse if one is not provided.

Of course, specifying such would be an obvious statement that the vehicles is going to be exported, and would probably cause the dealer to refuse the sale if the manufacturer has a policy against exports.

I wonder if the local (forum) Subaru dealers would agree to such a condition ?


RIV should be accountable and accept responsibility for their recall letter link. They need to either honour their statement on the website of accepting a dealer recall letter or remove the statement completely.

As a purchaser it would be in your best interest to have the recall letter to explicitly state "this vehicle has no outstanding recalls." as mentioned on the website.

In some cases, we will also accept a printout from an authorized American dealer. If you obtain a printout from an American dealer, you must ensure that they are an authorized dealer and not a re-seller. You can confirm this by calling the head office of the manufacturer and providing them with the location of the dealership in question

If the printout is from an authorized American dealership, the company stamp must be affixed to the printout. In either case, the 17 digit Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) of the vehicle in question must be included in the letter.

If your vehicle does not have any outstanding recalls then the letter should say "this vehicle has no outstanding recalls." This letter must be presented to the RIV department prior to your Vehicle Inspection Form being released.

[vim]

Many of you think that Transport Canada is not doing their job. You can tell them directly that by submitting your feedback:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/en/contact-us.htm?defaultCONTACTUSpage

Spend a few minutes and please let them now what do you think. If many people will do that, maybe they will notice.

[J233]

For those of you having trouble getting a recall clearance letter directly from the manufacturer, RIV will still accept a letter directly from the dealer. I just brought back an Acura MDX and was pissed off to find out that Honda America recently stopped giving out recall letters. The dealer though had no problem typing one up for me. Honda/Acura also has a site called https://www.ahm-ownerlink.com You can register, type in your VIN, print out that page and then print out the next page that says there are no recalls on your vehicle. RIV will accept this as well.

On that note - it is also a good idea to ask the selling delear for a biz card of their service manager and staple it to the letter, especially if a recall work was done on a vehicle.

[longdong]

Super nice car , but you already took this car to the dealer already .. is it reliable 8:) .... just kidding man




Sorry it took me a long time to post pics of my car. Here they are.

This was taken on Aug 27 when we went to the dealership and saw my car for the very first time. As you can see, it still had its plastic wrap in strategic areas. I drove it home still with the hood plastic on so it won't get any stone chips. :D

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc121/diigii/DSC_0112.jpg

These were taken on my cousin's driveway after I picked it up.

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc121/diigii/DSC_0163-1.jpg

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc121/diigii/DSC_0162.jpg

[Tender]

rsbx, go for it!!! Start your business and run with the ball and run hard. Give your customers great service and value for money and you'll be rich one day. There is a huge demand for your service in Canada. HUGE! Figure it out and don't let the naysayers dissuade you from pursuing a dream. Only you can make it reality!!!

I have no problem with rsbx starting his own business whatsoever, indeed I do wish him success so more Canadians can get help!

The only concern for me is that he's trying to make money by helping others, yet trying to get free help from this forum, on top of which he's wasting others' time here since this is a hot deals forum.

Please, for anyone trying to show support to him, just PM him instead of posting here, so we can save some space and time on what's supposed to be talked here.

[diigii]

Super nice car , but you already took this car to the dealer already .. is it reliable 8:) .... just kidding man

Thanks! Yeah I took it to the dealer for its break-in oil change and to re-balance the wheels/tires, which was minor and non-mechanical.

It sucks to be butt-f*&ked by Honda, eh? Just kidding too! :cheesygri

[Raikkonen]

1.00 CAD = 1.09547 USD

Expect manufacturer/dealer sphincters to tighten more, as Canadians are asked to stretch their's.

Conservative government has always been cosy with big business.....where are they when they can help the average Canadian now.

What' s the disposable income of an average Canadian family, and how greatly will that family's quality of life be enhanced if they keep $8,000 or $18,000 to spend elsewhere, instead of donating to a multinational?

:?:


2008 Honda > CR-V US Model listed as inadmissible by Transport Canada
Canadian Trims Canada MSRP US Trims US MSRP Price Markup
LX-2WD $27,790 CR-V LX 2WD 5-Spd AT $20,700 47.09%
LX $29,790 CR-V LX 4WD 5-Spd AT $21,900 49.03%
EX $32,690 CR-V EX 4WD 5-Spd AT $24,150 48.3%
EX-L $35,190 CR-V EX-L 4WD 5-Spd AT $26,700 44.4%
EX-L NAVI $37,790 CR-V EX-L 4WD 5-Spd AT w/ Nav $28,400 45.78%

Price Markup is based on the exchange rate 1 CAD = 1.09560 USD on 11/7/2007


Remember to say thank you like a goooood Canadian when they give you $3000 off** a 2007 (depreciated already one year or approx. $4000.)

**offer may be contingent on purchase of floor mats $175. and paint protection package $825

May I recommend some peri-anal synthetic oil prior to a Canadian dealership visit ( 0W30 if visiting in winter )

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

Many of you think that Transport Canada is not doing their job. You can tell them directly that by submitting your feedback:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/en/contact-us.htm?defaultCONTACTUSpage

Spend a few minutes and please let them now what do you think. If many people will do that, maybe they will notice.


Cool will do so now.

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

1.00 CAD = 1.09547 USD

Expect manufacturer/dealer sphincters to tighten more, as Canadians are asked to stretch their's.

Conservative government has always been cosy with big business.....where are they when they can help the average Canadian now.

What' s the average disposable income of an average Canadian family, and how greatly will that family's quality of life be enhanced if they keep $8,000 or $18,000 to spend elsewhere, instead of donating to a multinational?

:?:

I know it sure is crazy, and i doubt the dollar will stop at that, i figure it will go to 1.20 by March 2008

[joe friday]

1.00 CAD = 1.09547 USD

Expect manufacturer/dealer sphincters to tighten more, as Canadians are asked to stretch their's.

Conservative government has always been cosy with big business.....where are they when they can help the average Canadian now.

What' s the disposable income of an average Canadian family, and how greatly will that family's quality of life be enhanced if they keep $8,000 or $18,000 to spend elsewhere, instead of donating to a multinational?

:?:

Right on...what's a 1% drop in the GST going to do for the average Canadian compared to the benefit from something like this?

[eastsidesubaru]

1.00 CAD = 1.09547 USD


No more vancouver trip for me this year I guess :cry:

[slack]

Cool will do so now.

[QUOTE=vim;5888708]Many of you think that Transport Canada is not doing their job. You can tell them directly that by submitting your feedback:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/en/contact-us.htm?defaultCONTACTUSpage


DONE. Here's my msg to Transport Canada. Rambling? Yes. Regrets? None.

To Transport Canada:
Ridiculous. I personally pay $50,000 per year in income taxes and contribute tens of thousands more in sales taxes. Corporately I paid $15,000 in taxes last year. My wife does the same. We contribute over $100,000 per year to your coffers. Stop protecting multinationals and start protecting me. You are hurting Canadian voters and taxpayers and Canadian auto workers by protecting the unfair pricing policies of multinational auto manufacturing conglomerates. I will not buy a new automobile in Canada because the pricing is and always has been disgustingly disjointed from reality relative to our southern neighbour's pricing. Allowing the Canadian divisions of these truly multinational corporations to shut out the import of their vehicles (which are frequently manufactured in the same plants as those that are sold in Canada at retail and frequently built in plants on Canadian soil) is a heinous manoeuvre. NAFTA is supposed to work for everybody; allowing the Hondas and Toyotas and Nissans of the world to ignore international treaties and withhold information that they are legally required to provide to consumers and their governmental agencies is an oversight of tremendous proportion. It has not gone unnoticed. Do your job and empower and compel the Registrar of Imported Vehicles to do their job by demanding that the Canadian arms of these international auto manufacturers to provide proper and legitimate safety documentation for their vehicles (thus allowing them to be imported). Do not allow them to shirk their responsibilities by sitting idly as they drop warranty coverage. Many Canadians and Americans swap countries as they do their jobs and live their lives. Having a warranty declared invalid on a car by driving 20 km north or south is a criminal act. I posit that your blind eye to such practices is negligent. These same manufaturers benefit from treaties like NAFTA and currency fluctuations. The same currencies and treaties that have been punishing the Canadian consumer for three decades have finally swung to their advantage. Allowing these multinationals to block any part of that advantage for their own selfish means lies at the root of bad governance. Act now to clean up this indignant behaviour. This is a directive from your employer.

[eastsidesubaru]

Slack, Dennis DesRosiers and his lackeys are on their way now to your house.. I'd lock your doors. :D

[5136440]

I have no problem with rsbx starting his own business whatsoever, indeed I do wish him success so more Canadians can get help!

The only concern for me is that he's trying to make money by helping others, yet trying to get free help from this forum, on top of which he's wasting others' time here since this is a hot deals forum.

Please, for anyone trying to show support to him, just PM him instead of posting here, so we can save some space and time on what's supposed to be talked here.

+1 You made my point.

[5136440]

Buy a 6 months old used car from US, so the warranty will be covered ... check www.apa.ca but Digii ??? he claims that he bought a nissan 2008 and lately he did a service at Nissan dealer and they honor the warranty.... so it's your choice and your risk if you decide to buy a new nissan.


Clearly, Diigii's Altima is a '07 model.

[Xinc]

Uhhh, that's not how your question was phrased.

Anyway, in answer to your question, AFAIK, these are the following that do not allow new sales:

BMW
Honda/Acura
Toyota/Lexus
GM (all brands)
Chrysler

However, there have been the odd dealer selling the above brands that might be willing to sell NEW...the further you go from the border, the more likely you might find dealers willing to sell.

The following allow sales to Canadians no problem:

Subaru
Hyundai
Infiniti
Mercedes-Benz (I think)

Your best bet is to call dealers directly and speak to a new car salesperson.

I thought Volkswagen sells to Canadians as well.

BTW, anyone care to share comments on the Passat vs. Subaru Outback? I'm interested in a wagon and was decided on the Outback, but after "pondering" a bit more I found the car a little 2 small for my family. (Wife, 2 grown teens, dog, all the luggage etc...) Passat seems to be a very good size and a "full-fledged" station wagon.

But VW's reliability worries me:o

[diigii]

i don't know why he said it's a 2008 model when my sig clearly says it's a 2007, and i have indicated in my numerous posts it's a 2007.


Clearly, Diigii's Altima is a '07 model.

[Kamloops]

Nice car. Any warrenty on it?
Sorry it took me a long time to post pics of my car. Here they are.

This was taken on Aug 27 when we went to the dealership and saw my car for the very first time. As you can see, it still had its plastic wrap in strategic areas. I drove it home still with the hood plastic on so it won't get any stone chips. :D

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc121/diigii/DSC_0112.jpg

These were taken on my cousin's driveway after I picked it up.

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc121/diigii/DSC_0163-1.jpg

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc121/diigii/DSC_0162.jpg

[diigii]

Yup! Took it in for re-balancing wheels/tires last Sept @ no charge. Service advisor said it just takes longer for the paperwork but no problem on the coverage.

Nice car. Any warrenty on it?

[newatthis]

Anyone know any Canadian-friendly Honda dealers in the Seattle area or amywhere else close to Vancouver? I want to get a CR-V.:!: We have wanted a CR-V for a long time, but at the Canadian msrp, we can't afford to buy one.

[rbsx]

rsbx, go for it!!! Start your business and run with the ball and run hard. Give your customers great service and value for money and you'll be rich one day. There is a huge demand for your service in Canada. HUGE! Figure it out and don't let the naysayers dissuade you from pursuing a dream. Only you can make it reality!!!

Thanks for your support.

[MightyMike]

Here's my letter to Transport Canada, with copies going out to RIV, my MP, and Toyota:

I write with regards to Transport Canada's list of vehicles admissible for importation from the United States. As you are likely aware, due to the rapidly rising Canadian dollar and the tremendous price discrepancy between vehicles in Canada and vehicles in the United States, many Canadians are choosing to purchase vehicles in the United States and import them into Canada. The Registrar of Imported Vehicles maintains an excellent website, and the whole process is relatively straightforward.

Many vehicle manufacturers, seeing their Canadian customers crossing the border to make their purchases, want to stop this process. Some manufacturers are forbidding their American dealerships to sell to Canadians, as is their right. However, in a further effort to place a roadblock in front of Canadian consumers, some manufacturers, including Honda and Toyota, seem to be either providing Transport Canada with false or incomplete information, or simply withholding information that has traditionally provided, in a deliberate attempt to ensure that their vehicles are no longer on the admissibility list.

With many of these cars, it is stated that vehicles manufactured before September 1st are admissible, while those manufactured after September 1st are inadmissible. In the case of many vehicles, 2007 models are listed as inadmissible and 2008 models are not, even where there has not been a single change in the vehicle. It seems to be the vehicle's immobilizer that is often supposedly problematic--apparently some manufacturers are claiming that their immobilizer does not meet the CMVSS 114 standard. According to dealers I have spoken to, there has been no change in vehicle immobilizers, even though many 2008 models that come equipped with standard factory immobilizers are listed as inadmissible.

Due to recent (and unannounced) changes to the admissibility list, many Canadians are facing the situation of purchasing a vehicle in the United States that, when they checked the list before their purchase, was admissible, but by the time they attempt to come across the border, the vehicle has been added to the inadmissible list due to the manufacturers' refusal to provide pertinent information. I was almost one of these people. On November 2nd, I paid for a 2008 Toyota Sienna minivan. I had already checked the admissibility list and found that it was not listed. However, after I sent my money and finalized my purchase, but before picking up the vehicle, I happened to check the list again and realized that the list had changed on November 1st, and my vehicle was no longer admissible. My dealer was able to find me a vehicle that was manufactured before September 1st, and is therefore admissible; however, it is purely a matter of luck that I did not find myself stuck at the border with a useless vehicle. As a result of this practice, Canadian consumers are saddled with depreciated American cars that they must attempt to resell in the United States at thousands of dollars' loss.

In my opinion, this is an example of large corporations manipulating a system that is in place for the protection of Canadians and twisting it to meet their own ends. I ask that you please look into revising your criteria for when a vehicle is admissible to the United States. Instead of simply relying on a manufacturer's statement or lack thereof, a vehicle should at least undergo some preliminary investigation in order to determine whether it does indeed meet Canadian standards. If this is not done, the car companies will continue to take advantage of Transport Canada's passivity in an effort to restrain free trade.

Yours truly,
etc

[HighFlyer]

At 1:05AM EST....

1 CAD = 1.1003 USD

[ziploc]

Here's my letter to Transport Canada, with copies going out to RIV, my MP, and Toyota:

I write with regards to Transport Canada's list of vehicles admissible for importation from the United States. As you are likely aware, due to the rapidly rising Canadian dollar and the tremendous price discrepancy between vehicles in Canada and vehicles in the United States, many Canadians are choosing to purchase vehicles in the United States and import them into Canada. The Registrar of Imported Vehicles maintains an excellent website, and the whole process is relatively straightforward.

Many vehicle manufacturers, seeing their Canadian customers crossing the border to make their purchases, want to stop this process. Some manufacturers are forbidding their American dealerships to sell to Canadians, as is their right. However, in a further effort to place a roadblock in front of Canadian consumers, some manufacturers, including Honda and Toyota, seem to be either providing Transport Canada with false or incomplete information, or simply withholding information that has traditionally provided, in a deliberate attempt to ensure that their vehicles are no longer on the admissibility list.

With many of these cars, it is stated that vehicles manufactured before September 1st are admissible, while those manufactured after September 1st are inadmissible. In the case of many vehicles, 2007 models are listed as inadmissible and 2008 models are not, even where there has not been a single change in the vehicle. It seems to be the vehicle's immobilizer that is often supposedly problematic--apparently some manufacturers are claiming that their immobilizer does not meet the CMVSS 114 standard. According to dealers I have spoken to, there has been no change in vehicle immobilizers, even though many 2008 models that come equipped with standard factory immobilizers are listed as inadmissible.

Due to recent (and unannounced) changes to the admissibility list, many Canadians are facing the situation of purchasing a vehicle in the United States that, when they checked the list before their purchase, was admissible, but by the time they attempt to come across the border, the vehicle has been added to the inadmissible list due to the manufacturers' refusal to provide pertinent information. I was almost one of these people. On November 2nd, I paid for a 2008 Toyota Sienna minivan. I had already checked the admissibility list and found that it was not listed. However, after I sent my money and finalized my purchase, but before picking up the vehicle, I happened to check the list again and realized that the list had changed on November 1st, and my vehicle was no longer admissible. My dealer was able to find me a vehicle that was manufactured before September 1st, and is therefore admissible; however, it is purely a matter of luck that I did not find myself stuck at the border with a useless vehicle. As a result of this practice, Canadian consumers are saddled with depreciated American cars that they must attempt to resell in the United States at thousands of dollars' loss.

In my opinion, this is an example of large corporations manipulating a system that is in place for the protection of Canadians and twisting it to meet their own ends. I ask that you please look into revising your criteria for when a vehicle is admissible to the United States. Instead of simply relying on a manufacturer's statement or lack thereof, a vehicle should at least undergo some preliminary investigation in order to determine whether it does indeed meet Canadian standards. If this is not done, the car companies will continue to take advantage of Transport Canada's passivity in an effort to restrain free trade.

Yours truly,
etc

I think You've made a mistake there...
and check this out....
Insurance bureau of canada have the list of the cars meeting the ulc-s338 standard that i believe is the same thing as TC CMVSs114

http://www.ibc.ca/en/Insurance_Crime/Prevention_Investigation/Immobilizers/index.asp
http://www.ibc.ca/en/Insurance_Crime/Prevention_Investigation/Immobilizers/FAQs_CSTDS.asp


and mostly this list:
http://www.ibc.ca/en/Insurance_Crime/Prevention_Investigation/Immobilizers/FAQs_CSTDS.asp (http://www.ibc.ca/en/Insurance_Crime/Prevention_Investigation/Immobilizers/FAQs_CSTDS.asp)

Sienna 2008 is not listed but previous models are and there are some 2008 cars that are inadmissible by RIV/TC

[tarnator]

At 1:05AM EST....

1 CAD = 1.1003 USD

OMG!!!

I don't need or want a new car right now - but now i feel that if I don't buy one, I am losing money!:razz:

Damn RFD.....!

[ziploc]

can someone confirm this;

how the customs calculate the taxes ???

let say the car costs 20000U$...and it's non NAFTA

Will Customs convert the 20000U$ to canadian and then calculate 6.1% ??? or not??

and what's calculated first and are one added ''on the top'' of another like gst/pst ??? or not ??

thx

[HighFlyer]

Will Customs convert the 20000U$ to canadian and then calculate 6.1% ??? or not??
yes


and what's calculated first and are one added ''on the top'' of another like gst/pst ??? or not ??

duty first, then sales taxes are calculated on the top.

[ziploc]

yes

duty first, then sales taxes are calculated on the top.

Ok thanks

[accorder]

Anyone know any Canadian-friendly Honda dealers in the Seattle area or amywhere else close to Vancouver? I want to get a CR-V.:!: We have wanted a CR-V for a long time, but at the Canadian msrp, we can't afford to buy one.

please note 2008 CR-V is listed as inadmissible by Transport Canada. check out http://ataleoftwoprices.com/default.aspx?ModelID=128

[MVP1]

There's some really good info in this thread and on that wiki.

We might be attempting this in the new year. I have a question though. What is this new Green fee? I heard they charge an additional grand or even two if you bring an SUV across. Is this true?

[spdztr]

There's some really good info in this thread and on that wiki.

We might be attempting this in the new year. I have a question though. What is this new Green fee? I heard they charge an additional grand or even two if you bring an SUV across. Is this true?


It's only on some SUV's. I don't have the list handy, but it's mainly on the big gas guzzler's, probably with V8 engines. SUV's like the Tribeca, Santa Fe, and others in this category have no additional fees.

[dotcalamitie]

I decided to use the recall clearance letter from the Toyota dealer rather than head office when I pick up my 2007 Prius in the next week. I can't see how anyone could deny the value of the dealer supplied letter vs the factory letter. The dealer is their certified agent with access to the same data.

BTW, the 72 hour clearance period only took 24 hours this week...

[thegradas]

FYI
http://tinyurl.com/2xzpsg

[can2000]

Here are some pictures of the Champlain Border Crossing. The 1st shows the turnoff to 237 West Service Road (US Export office), if your coming back from the east side of Lake Champlain.

http://i22.tinypic.com/2yoal2a.jpg

The 2nd shows how to get there if your driving up highway 87.

http://i21.tinypic.com/6prkgk.jpg

The 3rd shows the general area of where 237 West Service Road should be. Can anyone pinpoint (put an x) on the actual building?

http://i22.tinypic.com/112ebus.jpg

If driving up highway 15, there is no need to go thru US Customs, stay right.

I've searched the thread and noted conflicting info. Please correct if you are "positive" about your correction.

Customs Export office hours: Mon-Fri, 6:00am to 10:00 pm - open for car exporting.

Documents: They need the original CoA and 2 copies back and front - 3 days prior to actual export.

How to deliver documents: Hand deliver and Courier (FEDEX, etc) - someone who has successfully courriered, please confirm.

Hope this helps the next 10,000 exports go smooooth - and drive the unfair car companies into submission:cheesygri

Thanks for the pictures and inf.
So, do they accept FAX of documents?

Thanks!

[longdong]

the car costs 3000$ (for every 30000$ ) less since september 2007 (because of the worst currency in the world right now, the one and unique 'green back' busho)

[JWL]

Did anyone read Honda's ad in the paper this morning that seemed like it was supposed to address the lower prices in the US. It was something like this (my editorial comments in brackets):

Honda offers a new deal for Canadians
0.9% financing (so what)
Full warranty (so your refusal to extend US warranties to Canada is a "feature"?)
High residual value (not a difference between Cdn and US bought cars)
Reduced sales tax on trade-ins (government policy not a Honda offer, and you have to accept the dealer's lousy trade-in offer to get this.
Potential to get gov't rebates for green cars (Cdn gov't offer, not a Honda offer)
1% GST rebate until Dec 31/07 (Genuine benefit offered by Honda so people don't have to wait for lower GST in January)

It is almost unbelievable how much they don't get it. They are now spending money on full-page advertising with the same kind of BS that salesmen have been spouting.

[RRKnight]

FYI
http://tinyurl.com/2xzpsg

Great, but that's 14hours away from me. Anyone else have dealt with an infiniti dealer near the GTA that are willing to sell brand new to Canadians?

[longdong]

So don`t buy even a HONDA in Canada, buy anything else in US




Did anyone read Honda's ad in the paper this morning that seemed like it was supposed to address the lower prices in the US. It was something like this (my editorial comments in brackets):

Honda offers a new deal for Canadians
0.9% financing (so what)
Full warranty (so your refusal to extend US warranties to Canada is a "feature"?)
High residual value (not a difference between Cdn and US bought cars)
Reduced sales tax on trade-ins (government policy not a Honda offer, and you have to accept the dealer's lousy trade-in offer to get this.
Potential to get gov't rebates for green cars (Cdn gov't offer, not a Honda offer)
1% GST rebate until Dec 31/07 (Genuine benefit offered by Honda so people don't have to wait for lower GST in January)

It is almost unbelievable how much they don't get it. They are now spending money on full-page advertising with the same kind of BS that salesmen have been spouting.

[voided]

Great, but that's 14hours away from me. Anyone else have dealt with an infiniti dealer near the GTA that are willing to sell brand new to Canadians? I guess you have to decide what 28hours of your time is worth :P. I know it would be worth it to me!

[Trexim]

Did anyone read Honda's ad in the paper this morning that seemed like it was supposed to address the lower prices in the US. It was something like this (my editorial comments in brackets):

Honda offers a new deal for Canadians
0.9% financing (so what)
Full warranty (so your refusal to extend US warranties to Canada is a "feature"?)
High residual value (not a difference between Cdn and US bought cars)
Reduced sales tax on trade-ins (government policy not a Honda offer, and you have to accept the dealer's lousy trade-in offer to get this.
Potential to get gov't rebates for green cars (Cdn gov't offer, not a Honda offer)
1% GST rebate until Dec 31/07 (Genuine benefit offered by Honda so people don't have to wait for lower GST in January)

It is almost unbelievable how much they don't get it. They are now spending money on full-page advertising with the same kind of BS that salesmen have been spouting.

It's a joke. The only thing we can do now is spread the words and vote with our money. It's just ridiculous how the majority of Canadians is unaware of their BS and continue to spend their hard earned money.

[flaming homer]

Remember the "import cars from the US" sites didn't exist before this thread started.While I appreciate your work here, this is not quite true. I first learned about how easy it was to import cars into Canada from the Cars101 site http://www.cars101.com/canada.html and I know it preceeded this post by at least 6+ months...

[jafferk]

.9 % is great, but only if the msrp matches the US MSRP.
What part of change your msrp don't honda \ acura understand. and for not honouring warranty across the border, well it looks like we finally know your true colours...:evil: Even Toyota is not that bad with them covering warrantly across the border. What's funny is that I am looking at the Honda extended warranty agreement from the US, and it says your vehicle will be covered under Honda warranty in the US AND CANADA. Wait til someone takes you to court for that one.

[longdong]

Just another reason of not buying another Honda , HONDA SUCKS FOR LIFE




.9 % is great, but only if the msrp matches the US MSRP.
What part of change your msrp don't honda \ acura understand. and for not honouring warranty across the border, well it looks like we finally know your true colours...:evil: Even Toyota is not that bad with them covering warrantly across the border. What's funny is that I am looking at the Honda extended warranty agreement from the US, and it says your vehicle will be covered under Honda warranty in the US AND CANADA. Wait til someone takes you to court for that one.

[moguy]

I'd really appreciate some advice on this.

I've got a vehicle I'm picking up that had it's title faxed on Tuesday.

The dealer faxed a title for the same model vehicle a few days earlier.

He as told me that I can use that reciept and export the car without waiting the full 72 hours. According to him, it's done all the time and they never look for the original fax (ambassador).

I'm pretty paranoid, so I don't want any potential trouble.

That said, being able to pick the car up tomorrow (48 hours) vs. Friday is much more convenient for me.

Any advice (only from those who've already exported)

Thanks

[HighFlyer]

He as told me that I can use that reciept and export the car without waiting the full 72 hours. According to him, it's done all the time and they never look for the original fax (ambassador).

I don't know about Ambassador, but at Queenston/Lewiston, they are pretty strict on the 72 hrs.

[HondaSucks]

.9 % is great, but only if the msrp matches the US MSRP.
What part of change your msrp don't honda \ acura understand. and for not honouring warranty across the border, well it looks like we finally know your true colours...:evil: Even Toyota is not that bad with them covering warrantly across the border. What's funny is that I am looking at the Honda extended warranty agreement from the US, and it says your vehicle will be covered under Honda warranty in the US AND CANADA. Wait til someone takes you to court for that one.

As of right now with Canadian dollar at 109.39 ie... .914 cents US for one Dollar Canadian.

On Honda's web sites...
US site.
Honda Civic EXL - 21,375 US MRSP +Tran& Prep = 19535.75 CAN before GST & PST
Canadian Site:
Honda Civic EXL - 26,175 Canadian before taxes .


After Taxes: and RIV fee 22,515 Canadian versus 29,826 Canadian saving s of over $7,000.

And the Canadian dealers want to give me free mats and a tuneup?????

Don't buy until the dust clears or if you have to buy in the US, but buy a car that is on the list .... the process is simple.


This issue here is not the big spenders, but think of the young family just starting out with a couple of kids ... trying to make it and they get gouged by the big automakers..

Sure Harper brings down the GST and cut taxes, but he could do more. Why is the little guy always being taken advantage of.

[thegradas]

Will pm you my findings...
Also: http://tinyurl.com/2tf3lj




I thought Volkswagen sells to Canadians as well.

BTW, anyone care to share comments on the Passat vs. Subaru Outback? I'm interested in a wagon and was decided on the Outback, but after "pondering" a bit more I found the car a little 2 small for my family. (Wife, 2 grown teens, dog, all the luggage etc...) Passat seems to be a very good size and a "full-fledged" station wagon.

But VW's reliability worries me:o

[moguy]

I don't know about Ambassador, but at Queenston/Lewiston, they are pretty strict on the 72 hrs.

But do they pull up the original fax, or is it enough for them to look at your fax reciept along with the original title?

[Louist]

http://www.ataleoftwoprices.com/Default.aspx

[HighFlyer]

But do they pull up the original fax, or is it enough for them to look at your fax reciept along with the original title?
They enter the VIN into their computer, which tells them when the title was faxed, and then they go to that day's folder to pull out the fax copy.

[moguy]

They enter the VIN into their computer, which tells them when the title was faxed, and then they go to that day's folder to pull out the fax copy.

Thanks.

I'm waiting till friday then:)

[inspire]

ust another reason of not buying another Honda , HONDA SUCKS FOR LIFE
I wish Toyota or Honda didn't make such reliable products -- otherwise I'd look for something else. However, I will go out of my way to buy their products. (I have 2 Acuras in my driveway ... one bought in the US last year.) I didn't worry too much about the warranty since the TSX is Japan built (and there is a difference in build quality ... you should see how they assemble cars in Japan or South Korea compared to locally) and was in its 5th year of production. It's not difficult to find brokers who will buy and resell to Canadians (ie Honda & Toyota). So you can buy a "new" car without being impeded by corporate.

However, I do think boycotting a product using the power of the consumer's dollar is a very effective method of invoking change in practices. They probably won't change their policies since ~90% of buyers are financing/leasing cars. All those consumers care about is how much they pay a month. And most worry about having a warranty. I'd only worry if it's the 1st year of production where "bugs" are most likely to occur. If I had a bad tranny, like on the new V6 Camry before the change or bad build quality on the Tundra ... that's where buying from the US would screw you over. Otherwise ... the savings on buying new over there would easily cover any minor problems you could pay out of pocket (instead of warranty).

Next time around, I'll most likely buy again the US (ETA March 2008). And I will buy a product that will honour the warranty on this side of the border, so no Honda or Toyota product (besides ... their products are boring, outside of the new Accord coupe).

Thanks to the OP for giving me the courage to importing last year with the TSX.

[diigii]

The dealer SHOULD have faxed the actual title for your car, not a same model car as yours because the VIN's are unique. And I would not take his word that US Customs don't check for the original. He's not the one who goes to the border. It's YOU who has to go thru the process, not him. What if you get in trouble with US Customs for not honoring the 72 hrs clearance? It's you at the border, not him. Everything will go smoothly if you follow what is required. If you decide to take chances, be prepared to deal with the hassles.



I'd really appreciate some advice on this.

I've got a vehicle I'm picking up that had it's title faxed on Tuesday.

The dealer faxed a title for the same model vehicle a few days earlier.

He as told me that I can use that reciept and export the car without waiting the full 72 hours. According to him, it's done all the time and they never look for the original fax (ambassador).

I'm pretty paranoid, so I don't want any potential trouble.

That said, being able to pick the car up tomorrow (48 hours) vs. Friday is much more convenient for me.

Any advice (only from those who've already exported)

Thanks

[moguy]

The dealer SHOULD have faxed the actual title for your car, not a same model car as yours because the VIN's are unique. And I would not take his word that US Customs don't check for the original. He's not the one who goes to the border. It's YOU who has to go thru the process, not him. What if you get in trouble with US Customs for not honoring the 72 hrs clearance? It's you at the border, not him. Everything will go smoothly if you follow what is required. If you decide to take chances, be prepared to deal with the hassles.

Thanks diigii.

That's what I thought. I just wanted to confirm that I wasn't being over-paranoid.

This board has been incredibly helpful :)

[diigii]

No problem. Just returning the favour and help I got here as well. I followed the whole export/import process and it was so easy and smooth.


Thanks diigii.

That's what I thought. I just wanted to confirm that I wasn't being over-paranoid.

This board has been incredibly helpful :)

[Dreyfus]

In today's Globe.
GM takes biggest loss in its history.
$39 Billion US $35 Billion Canadian over 3 months.
Me thinks we will see one of the 3 domestic manufacturers in receivership before the end of 2008. Should be some bargains to be found then.

[diigii]

And they still stick to their mantra of protecting the US and Canadian markets separate, when what they should be doing is try to sell as much cars as they can to try to avoid that $39B loss and lose market share. Who's to blame now? Subaru? :cheesygri


In today's Globe.
GM takes biggest loss in its history.
$39 Billion US $35 Billion Canadian over 3 months.
Me thinks we will see one of the 3 domestic manufacturers in receivership before the end of 2008. Should be some bargains to be found then.

[jrvic]

Anyone interested in an 2008 RX 350 AWD - Premium Plus Package please contact me via MSG.

2008 RX 350 AWD - Premium Plus Package
Silver Ext, Gray leather/walnut interior
1800 miles, brand new condition.

Purchased and registered in US in early Aug 07. The vehicle is currently in Toronto and ready for import.

As is asking price CAD 44K
Imported asking price CAD 50K

I am switching to an MDX or some thing with a third row seating.

[Luc]

As of right now with Canadian dollar at 109.39 ie... .914 cents US for one Dollar Canadian.

On Honda's web sites...
US site.
Honda Civic EXL - 21,375 US MRSP +Tran& Prep = 19535.75 CAN before GST & PST
Canadian Site:
Honda Civic EXL - 26,175 Canadian before taxes .


After Taxes: and RIV fee 22,515 Canadian versus 29,826 Canadian saving s of over $7,000.

And the Canadian dealers want to give me free mats and a tuneup?????

. much worse:
Nissan X-TERRA:
USA: USD 22,675 = CAD 20,750
http://build.nissanusa.com/configurator/en?service=external/Summary&mo=2008:xtr&bs=default&tr=_TE_X&ec=KH3&us=40|55|58&se=11|14|28|40|43|55|58&pv=11|12|33|34|35|36|37|38|39|40|41|49|52|53|54|55 |57|58|6&pc=40|55|57&psel=11|14|29|40|43|55|57&ps=_TE_AUTO|1&zipcode=59486

CANADA, same car same trim: CAD 37,298.00 +GST = CAD 39,535.00
http://nissan.ca/en/buying/configure/default.asp?modelCode=8CLG58
COOOOOOOOOOOOOOlllllllll

[yu130960]

To those that have gone through the process, I am thinking of bringing across a used WRX STI 2007 with some mods done, namely a Front Mounted Intercooler. Just wondering if this is going to be a problem for it to pass inspection at Canadian Tire??

[Rehan]

much worse:
Nissan X-TERRA:
USA: USD 22,675 = CAD 20,750
http://build.nissanusa.com/configurator/en?service=external/Summary&mo=2008:xtr&bs=default&tr=_TE_X&ec=KH3&us=40|55|58&se=11|14|28|40|43|55|58&pv=11|12|33|34|35|36|37|38|39|40|41|49|52|53|54|55 |57|58|6&pc=40|55|57&psel=11|14|29|40|43|55|57&ps=_TE_AUTO|1&zipcode=59486

CANADA, same car same trim: CAD 37,298.00 +GST = CAD 39,535.00
http://nissan.ca/en/buying/configure/default.asp?modelCode=8CLG58
COOOOOOOOOOOOOOlllllllll You need to compare apples to apples.

US: Nissan Xterra S 4WD = US$24880 + US$745 = CA$23300
CA: Nissan Xterra S 4WD = CA$34598 + CA$1400 = CA$35998

Yes, it's a very big difference but not quite as much as you calculated.

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

Hmm what would happen if 3000 canadians would bombard each car manufacturer with phone calls , and ask the same thing over and over again:

"Are you going to lower the MSRP, or do i have to go to the States to purchase a car" :) I think they might get the message, sooner or later... perhaps, maybe.

I for one will not purchase a new/used car in Canada until the price is withing 5 percent of what the americans pay for theirs.

[Dreyfus]

Hon. Lawrence Cannon
CMVSS114 is a non tariff barrier to trade that is costing Canadians $4,000 to $40,000 per car.
We are now near to a repeat of the Rona Ambrose debacle. Lawrence how will you like it when you are known as Rona Cannon. You will like it even less when Harper is standing in front of the cameras like a deer caught in the headlights flustering and blustering as he tries to defend the indefensible, while Stephane, Jack and Gilles politely try to cover their giggles. Lawrence you can still save yourself from ignominy.

[Rehan]

Hmm what would happen if 3000 canadians would bombard each car manufacturer with phone calls , and ask the same thing over and over again:

"Are you going to lower the MSRP, or do i have to go to the States to purchase a car" :) I think they might get the message, sooner or later... perhaps, maybe.
I think they're already know that many Canadians know about the big price difference. That's why all the market restrictions are in place.

Rather than calling and annoying them, just don't bother them. What reason is there to visit the local dealership if the manufacturers are not reasonable with their prices? Silence in the showrooms from the lack of customers will annoy the dealers more a ringing phone.

[diigii]

To those that have gone through the process, I am thinking of bringing across a used WRX STI 2007 with some mods done, namely a Front Mounted Intercooler. Just wondering if this is going to be a problem for it to pass inspection at Canadian Tire??

You can start looking at www.riv.ca

[spdztr]

You need to compare apples to apples.

US: Nissan Xterra S 4WD = US$24880 + US$745 = CA$23300
CA: Nissan Xterra S 4WD = CA$34598 + CA$1400 = CA$35998

Yes, it's a very big difference but not quite as much as you calculated.


Don't forget to add the savings due to having to pay less tax.
So the potential savings is actually:
$35998-$23300 = $12698
+
$12698*0.14 = $1778
=~$14500

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

I think they're already know that many Canadians know about the big price difference. That's why all the market restrictions are in place.

Rather than calling and annoying them, just don't bother them. What reason is there to visit the local dealership if the manufacturers are not reasonable with their prices? Silence in the showrooms from the lack of customers will annoy the dealers more a ringing phone.

i agree, silence in the showroom is good :) that is why i'm not going to any showrooms.


how about we call the government types in Ottawa instead, would that help?

[reddy54]

Updated list posted. Main changes appear in section 5.4 where most manufacturers have clarified which SUV's and vans are admissible. This means that no additional documantation needed re CMVSS 114 compliance where vehicle is listed as admissible.

[Rehan]

how about we call the government types in Ottawa instead, would that help? What the government needs to do is to get Transport Canada to clean up its act to close the loopholes and stop abetting the manufacturers. But if that happens, I wouldn't be surprised if manufacturers got even more strict with warranties (i.e., choosing a policy like Honda's).

As a consumer, I'm going to support the manufacturer and dealers that are willing to work with me. If the rest are going to whine because their market share drops, it's their own doing.

[longdong]

Boycotting a product is a good way to go.

why boycotting Honda ? not a Toyota (you still have a choice to buy Toyota)

Because Honda made the worst decision among the manufactures.

1. They don't sell new cars to canadians: they warm dealer about this (losing the dealership license, alot worst than Toyota letter)
2. They don't honor warranty at all even in US or Canada if you are a canadian
3. They don't send out the Clearance letter even for a used car
4. They don't honor their words: they said they sell the car to canadian. And then after receiving money, they said they coulnd't sell the car anymore (so the customers paid for their error: money wiring transfer fee, exchange rate etc....). Call Honda America and the dealership, no one accepts their responsibility ... they blame each other but at the end customer pays for their behavior.





I wish Toyota or Honda didn't make such reliable products -- otherwise I'd look for something else. However, I will go out of my way to buy their products. (I have 2 Acuras in my driveway ... one bought in the US last year.) I didn't worry too much about the warranty since the TSX is Japan built (and there is a difference in build quality ... you should see how they assemble cars in Japan or South Korea compared to locally) and was in its 5th year of production. It's not difficult to find brokers who will buy and resell to Canadians (ie Honda & Toyota). So you can buy a "new" car without being impeded by corporate.

However, I do think boycotting a product using the power of the consumer's dollar is a very effective method of invoking change in practices. They probably won't change their policies since ~90% of buyers are financing/leasing cars. All those consumers care about is how much they pay a month. And most worry about having a warranty. I'd only worry if it's the 1st year of production where "bugs" are most likely to occur. If I had a bad tranny, like on the new V6 Camry before the change or bad build quality on the Tundra ... that's where buying from the US would screw you over. Otherwise ... the savings on buying new over there would easily cover any minor problems you could pay out of pocket (instead of warranty).

Next time around, I'll most likely buy again the US (ETA March 2008). And I will buy a product that will honour the warranty on this side of the border, so no Honda or Toyota product (besides ... their products are boring, outside of the new Accord coupe).

Thanks to the OP for giving me the courage to importing last year with the TSX.

[5136440]

You can start looking at www.riv.ca


Would you please answer my PM please? Super urgent!

[spdztr]

Updated list posted. Main changes appear in section 5.4 where most manufacturers have clarified which SUV's and vans are admissible. This means that no additional documantation needed re CMVSS 114 compliance where vehicle is listed as admissible.

Wow, the 2008 Hyundai SUV's are no longer admissable! I know they're not even out in the States yet, but there's no major difference from the '07 model. The Tribeca is still "safe".

[ac328]

As a consumer, I'm going to support the manufacturer and dealers that are willing to work with me. If the rest are going to whine because their market share drops, it's their own doing.

Couldn't agree more. Subaru, Infiniti, Hyundai, Ford, VW and Audi should be rewarded...Honda/Acura should be avoided like the plague...

[Rehan]

I edited the thread title to make it a little more up to date. ;)

[ac328]

BMW Canada CEO doesn't give two hoots if the prices are lower in the US! Pretty arrogant...

See here http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=511583

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

BMW Canada CEO doesn't give two hoots if the prices are lower in the US! Pretty arrogant...

See here http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=511583


What an a-hole that guy is, :) wow.

Arrogant POS.
When i contacted BMW Canada, they said BMW Canada sets the price, but sometimes when you call them back, they will say that Germany sets the pricing. They are liars, and bs peddlers, when you confront them by the price discrepency, they give you stupid excuses and things like:

Florida sells more cars than all of Canada(Well lower the price idiot and more people will purchase cars here)

300K units sold in the US, so they have bigger market and deserve a better price. (yeah whatever, lower the price)

Marketing cost is higher here, (BS more cars sold in the USA, but for less, and more marketing costs more since more tv/newspaper/mags to advertise in, plus spanish language ads are comparable to french here)



Also, I contacted BMW Canada about their pricing on the new 1-series,

they said that it will be competitive in the Canadian market. Meaning we will get screwed for at least a 36% price increase (if you figure in the exchange of 1.10 by March/2008, if it is 1.20 by March it will be insane.)

The price in the USA for an 128i will probably be around 27-28k we will get it for 34K , i love being Canadian ! anyone have any anal-liquid-cool grease? Everyone is taking advantage of us.

[setell]

To those that have gone through the process, I am thinking of bringing across a used WRX STI 2007 with some mods done, namely a Front Mounted Intercooler. Just wondering if this is going to be a problem for it to pass inspection at Canadian Tire??

Is the 2007 WRX STI hard to find new? My bf is looking to import a new STI within the next couple of months (holding for lower GST and possibly better exchange rate:cheesygri ) so I've been following the thread a lot lately. I haven't started contacting dealers to see if we can get our hands in a new STI in Jan/Feb 2008 yet. Have you started contacting dealers?

[rafku]

In today's Globe.
GM takes biggest loss in its history.
$39 Billion US $35 Billion Canadian over 3 months.
Me thinks we will see one of the 3 domestic manufacturers in receivership before the end of 2008. Should be some bargains to be found then.

It is actually not a loss but a write off. They are writing off tax savings on future earnings accumulated from all the losses incurred so far. What it means is that they do not expect positive cash flows anytime soon, but their cash position is actually not that bad. The Ford is probably much worse off.

[PaulieScatone]

has anyone actually used a report from http://www.ahm-ownerlink.com as a Recall Clearance Letter for Honda/Acura. I wonder if they will acept it. The reports don't clearly indicate the VIN on the same page as the Recall Check Report.

[HondaSucks]

has anyone actually used a report from http://www.ahm-ownerlink.com as a Recall Clearance Letter for Honda/Acura. I wonder if they will acept it. The reports don't clearly indicate the VIN on the same page as the Recall Check Report.

The computer printout needs to be initialed by the Dealer and a covering letter quoting the serial number on the dealer letterhead is acceptable as per the RIV. I hope they don't change this process.

[PaulieScatone]

The computer printout needs to be initialed by the Dealer and a covering letter quoting the serial number on the dealer letterhead is acceptable as per the RIV. I hope they don't change this process.

Is that what RIV has been telling people?


The whole RIV process seems kinda sketchy. They have a list of admissable/inadmisable vehicles and then they have all these exceptions that they make over the phone or in person (ie not documented). Its like they change their mind everyday.

[peidudu]

Looks like HighLander 2008 still need electronic immobilization system option
But how about 2008 Model made before Sep 1st 2007. Is that still need the letter from toyota manufacturer.

Anyone can help on it. thanks


Updated list posted. Main changes appear in section 5.4 where most manufacturers have clarified which SUV's and vans are admissible. This means that no additional documantation needed re CMVSS 114 compliance where vehicle is listed as admissible.

[acg1978]

Wow, the 2008 Hyundai SUV's are no longer admissable! I know they're not even out in the States yet, but there's no major difference from the '07 model. The Tribeca is still "safe".

OMG... you're right. There goes the sale for the Santa Fe I was looking at. Subaru here I come.

[accorder]

Couldn't agree more. Subaru, Infiniti, Hyundai, Ford, VW and Audi should be rewarded...Honda/Acura should be avoided like the plague...

exactly. wonder if I should change my name to 'outbacker'

[realdeal99]

I'm being given the runaround here. I'm looking to import a 2008 Nissan Altima Coupe and called Nissan USA Consumer Affairs regarding the warranty issue but they told me that if I buy the car and directly export it to Canada that the warranty will be void! I have read on this forum that some others have been given different answers and that warranty is in fact valid if you do not sell the car within the first 6 months of ownership. Also if the warranty truly is valid in Canada which dealerships in the Toronto area do you guys know of that will service the vehicle and honour the US warranty. Thanks in advance

[diigii]

BMW Canada CEO doesn't give two hoots if the prices are lower in the US! Pretty arrogant...

See here http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=511583

The reason why they sell them expensive here is because of their pathetic radio ad voiced by a guy with the European accent. As if the accent makes a compelling reason to buy a BMW. I have a friend who worked for a BMW garage and he says that for a German luxury brand to have lousy reliability is not worth the money.

[bobbob911]

I just phoned Nissan Canada and Nissan North America and they told me that:

- You must register the vehicle first in the US before bringing it across to Canada and registering it here
- You *dont* need to wait 6 months between these two events.

Naturally I would get that second point in writing from Nissan before purchasing but both service reps were pretty clear about this.

My question is: How do you go about registering your new car in the US if you dont have a US address? Can the dealer register it for you somehow?

Thanks!

[HondaSucks]

I'm being given the runaround here. I'm looking to import a 2008 Nissan Altima Coupe and called Nissan USA Consumer Affairs regarding the warranty issue but they told me that if I buy the car and directly export it to Canada that the warranty will be void! I have read on this forum that some others have been given different answers and that warranty is in fact valid if you do not sell the car within the first 6 months of ownership. Also if the warranty truly is valid in Canada which dealerships in the Toronto area do you guys know of that will service the vehicle and honour the US warranty. Thanks in advance

Just buy an extended warranty. The Canadian boys are nuts... I would go with the flow and state yes we will honor the warranty at a cost of xxxx.000 at least generate some revenue with very little cost.... Then send the bill to Nissan U.S.

Come on Canadian Car Manufacturers get with the program... don't fight it swallow your pride, take your losses ( they are probably all tax right offs anyways ) and join the party. Announce equal pricing across North America!!!

Do it before your customer base disappears....

[Jay-c]

I'm looking for someone's post (I think it was highflyer) that gave a VERY detailed timeline of their import day, from picking up the car, to which CT they went to, RIV office, MTO office, etc, and got everything done in one day.

I'm going to try to do the same on Tuesday and want all the guidance I can get!

I just can't find that darn post for the life of me!!! Anyone know?

[inspire]

1. They don't sell new cars to canadians: they warm dealer about this (losing the dealership license, alot worst than Toyota letter)
2. They don't honor warranty at all even in US or Canada if you are a canadian
3. They don't send out the Clearance letter even for a used car
4. They don't honor their words: they said they sell the car to canadian. And then after receiving money, they said they coulnd't sell the car anymore (so the customers paid for their error: money wiring transfer fee, exchange rate etc....). Call Honda America and the dealership, no one accepts their responsibility ... they blame each other but at the end customer pays for their behavior.
I am under the impression that you may have been burned by a potential purchase of a Honda in the US. If so, I'm sorry that happened. However, it's not Honda corporate for you losing $$$ on wiring money / transfer fees, etc. The dealership lied to you saying they would sell you a car. Corporate has no real control on what things they say. The dealerships should know that they can't sell to Canadians directly. Period. You should boycott that dealer or have them pay for the expenses incurred. Caveat emtor. (And there's probably e a US lawyer that can help you out ...)

But I do agree Corporate telling people they can't sell a car to Canadians directly is inherently wrong. But since they control what they want to sell, there's not a lot the dealer can do. Our highly subsidized Canadian company, Bombardier, forbids US dealers from selling to Canadians. Guess they are trying to control how much money each subsidiary makes.

From the looks of this thread ... there will be a lot of Subarus with US-speedos floating around Canada.

PS Honda doesn't look too scared by 'losing' sales in Canada. Too many people are enamoured by their products. And it doesn't hurt that the Civic (#1 selling car in Canada) is made in Ontario.

[johnsa]

I'm being given the runaround here. I'm looking to import a 2008 Nissan Altima Coupe and called Nissan USA Consumer Affairs regarding the warranty issue but they told me that if I buy the car and directly export it to Canada that the warranty will be void! I have read on this forum that some others have been given different answers and that warranty is in fact valid if you do not sell the car within the first 6 months of ownership. Also if the warranty truly is valid in Canada which dealerships in the Toronto area do you guys know of that will service the vehicle and honour the US warranty. Thanks in advance

The warranty is void, period...go to Nissan USA website and read it....you may find a Cdn dealer to service it/honour the warranty, but no one on here is going to tell you which dealer....just make the purchase based on no warranty..if you are not comfortable with that, buy one that has been registered in the US for 6 months....period..end of story

[Rehan]

I just phoned Nissan Canada and Nissan North America and they told me that:

- You must register the vehicle first in the US before bringing it across to Canada and registering it here
- You *dont* need to wait 6 months between these two events.

Naturally I would get that second point in writing from Nissan before purchasing but both service reps were pretty clear about this.

My question is: How do you go about registering your new car in the US if you dont have a US address? Can the dealer register it for you somehow?

Thanks! From what I understand, you can't register a vehicle here in Ontario unless you have an Ontario driver's license. I would assume it's the same in the states, so that would make it difficult to register it yourself.

And maybe you didn't discuss it with the Nissan folks, but the warranty is void if you transfer the ownership within the first 6 months. So even if you have a friend in the US register it under his name, you'd have to wait 6 months before you can bring it to Canada.

[cookiemunster]

I scrolled through pages 450 to 490 and the only post I found was on the first one, page 450, post number 6746. I don't believe it's the one you're looking for.


Oct 18, 2007
22:00 Detroit US Custom office
22:30 Detroit Canada Custom office
Oct 19, 2007
3:00 Arrive at Toronto Home
10:00 At RIV Office (found lots of happy Canadian)
13:00 Canadian Tire inspection done (do they really check the car)
14:00 Got license plate
15:00-17:00 Sleeping happily - sound and loud.


I'm looking for someone's post (I think it was highflyer) that gave a VERY detailed timeline of their import day, from picking up the car, to which CT they went to, RIV office, MTO office, etc, and got everything done in one day.

I'm going to try to do the same on Tuesday and want all the guidance I can get!

I just can't find that darn post for the life of me!!! Anyone know?

[flaming homer]

I'm looking for someone's post (I think it was highflyer) that gave a VERY detailed timeline of their import day, from picking up the car, to which CT they went to, RIV office, MTO office, etc, and got everything done in one day.

I'm going to try to do the same on Tuesday and want all the guidance I can get!

I just can't find that darn post for the life of me!!! Anyone know?I can tell you the Toronto area that you need to hit:

1. RIV office - 405 The West Mall, Etobicoke - closes 4:30 PM - http://www.riv.ca/english/html/contact_us.html
2. Canadian Tire Queensway - 1608 THE QUEENSWAY, Etobicoke - http://www.canadiantire.ca/storelocator/store_profile.jsp?store_num=70&from=sl
3. MTO Office @ Cloverdale Mall - 250 The East Mall, Etobicoke - http://www.gov.on.ca/ont/portal/!ut/p/.cmd/cs/.ce/7_0_A/.s/7_0_252/_s.7_0_A/7_0_252/_l/en?docid=GOLDENHORSESHOE

Google map them and you'll see they're all really close to each other

[Jay-c]

I can tell you the Toronto area that you need to hit:

1. RIV office - 405 The West Mall, Etobicoke - closes 4:30 PM - http://www.riv.ca/english/html/contact_us.html
2. Canadian Tire Queensway - 1608 THE QUEENSWAY, Etobicoke - http://www.canadiantire.ca/storelocator/store_profile.jsp?store_num=70&from=sl
3. MTO Office @ Cloverdale Mall - 250 The East Mall, Etobicoke - http://www.gov.on.ca/ont/portal/!ut/p/.cmd/cs/.ce/7_0_A/.s/7_0_252/_s.7_0_A/7_0_252/_l/en?docid=GOLDENHORSESHOE

Google map them and you'll see they're all really close to each other

Thank you sir!! That's perfect! Hopefully I can manage to squeeze this get it all done within the day!

As a side note.. just ordered my winter tires/rims from TireRack, delivered to VB!! Can't wait to go pick up my car and fill 'er up!!

[ymlccc]

Guys,

what the hell is happening to RIV these days?

-inspection at CT done Saturday morning, faxed inspection result to RIV by CT same day
-emailed Monday asking if they received the docs (no reply)
-Today I got the reply said they didn't receive anything
-Called CT and they said they have the fax confirmation on hand but they will fax one more time for me.

Do I need to fax them(RIV) the Form 1 + Form 2 with CT stamp on it (after inspection)??? I believe I do NOT need to but just in case... any recommendations will be appreciated.

Thanks a bunch!

[shopper-X]

Is the 2007 WRX STI hard to find new? My bf is looking to import a new STI within the next couple of months (holding for lower GST and possibly better exchange rate:cheesygri ) so I've been following the thread a lot lately. I haven't started contacting dealers to see if we can get our hands in a new STI in Jan/Feb 2008 yet. Have you started contacting dealers?

For every $10,000 it's $100 in savings if you wait for the GST to drop 1%. It's hardly worth waiting for if the car you want is will be gone by the time you want it.

The exchange rate is a gamble. The dollar is around $1.077 right now, down from the 1.10 last night.

[bobbob911]

From what I understand, you can't register a vehicle here in Ontario unless you have an Ontario driver's license. I would assume it's the same in the states, so that would make it difficult to register it yourself.

And maybe you didn't discuss it with the Nissan folks, but the warranty is void if you transfer the ownership within the first 6 months. So even if you have a friend in the US register it under his name, you'd have to wait 6 months before you can bring it to Canada.

Thats what I'm thinking. In other words, Nissan is being coy - Yes they will honor the warranty if you register in the US first, no theres no way *to* actually register in the US first :(

[bionicbadger]

Guys,

what the hell is happening to RIV these days?

Do I need to fax them(RIV) the Form 1 + Form 2 with CT stamp on it (after inspection)??? I believe I do NOT need to but just in case... any recommendations will be appreciated.


RIV is busy these days.
You don't need to do anything more with RIV once you are done at canadian tire. The Canadian tire guys will send in whatever needs to be sent, you just need the stamped form 2 to get your vehicle registered. Then in a couple weeks you get your door sticker from RIV, but that wont hold up you getting your car registered.

[ymlccc]

RIV is busy these days.
You don't need to do anything more with RIV once you are done at canadian tire. The Canadian tire guys will send in whatever needs to be sent, you just need the stamped form 2 to get your vehicle registered. Then in a couple weeks you get your door sticker from RIV, but that wont hold up you getting your car registered.

Thanks! That's exactly what I thought, I been doing my homework for couple months but still a little scary when they sent you an email telling you something is missing in the transaction.:cheesygri

[whampoa]

Guys,

what the hell is happening to RIV these days?

-inspection at CT done Saturday morning, faxed inspection result to RIV by CT same day
-emailed Monday asking if they received the docs (no reply)
-Today I got the reply said they didn't receive anything
-Called CT and they said they have the fax confirmation on hand but they will fax one more time for me.

Do I need to fax them(RIV) the Form 1 + Form 2 with CT stamp on it (after inspection)??? I believe I do NOT need to but just in case... any recommendations will be appreciated.

Thanks a bunch!

Same thing happened to me, waited a month for the sticker, called RIV and got the same reply, nothing.

Fortunately for me, I have CT made a copy of Form 1 and Form 2. I faxes it myself and call back for confirmation, just in case, RIV did not receive it.

[GoodDeal]

I'm selling a 2008 Subaru I purchased in US... and this is the email I received from Ottawa Ogilvie Motors (Subaru) dealership:

"Just so you know, $37800 from a dealer all taxes/fees included, also including full warranty coverage in Canada with 3 years roadside assistance, including 2.9% financing at 5 years, and including a resale value because it is a Canadian car. You might want to inform anyone who is interested that they won't have much of a resale value because the car was purchsed in the US. If you don't believe me, call any reputable used car lot, and ask them what they would give you for a car purchsed in the US then brought to Canada. It'll be little or nothing."

[thelefteyeguy]

I'm selling a 2008 Subaru I purchased in US... and this is the email I received from Ottawa Ogilvie Motors (Subaru) dealership:

"Just so you know, $37800 from a dealer all taxes/fees included, also including full warranty coverage in Canada with 3 years roadside assistance, including 2.9% financing at 5 years, and including a resale value because it is a Canadian car. You might want to inform anyone who is interested that they won't have much of a resale value because the car was purchsed in the US. If you don't believe me, call any reputable used car lot, and ask them what they would give you for a car purchsed in the US then brought to Canada. It'll be little or nothing."

what a tard :lol:

sure...the average joe wouldnt care

[RRKnight]

Anybody have the border information in Windsor/Detroit/Michican?

[Rehan]

I'm selling a 2008 Subaru I purchased in US... and this is the email I received from Ottawa Ogilvie Motors (Subaru) dealership:

"Just so you know, $37800 from a dealer all taxes/fees included, also including full warranty coverage in Canada with 3 years roadside assistance, including 2.9% financing at 5 years, and including a resale value because it is a Canadian car. You might want to inform anyone who is interested that they won't have much of a resale value because the car was purchsed in the US. If you don't believe me, call any reputable used car lot, and ask them what they would give you for a car purchsed in the US then brought to Canada. It'll be little or nothing." Can you ask him which used car lot he's talking about? I'd love to find a car for "little or nothing" (especially if it's "nothing"!). :lol:

[ajm25]

Wow, the 2008 Hyundai SUV's are no longer admissable! I know they're not even out in the States yet, but there's no major difference from the '07 model. The Tribeca is still "safe".

Where does this information come from? It is not indicated at riv.ca

[DSTU]

I'm selling a 2008 Subaru I purchased in US... and this is the email I received from Ottawa Ogilvie Motors (Subaru) dealership:

"Just so you know, $37800 from a dealer all taxes/fees included, also including full warranty coverage in Canada with 3 years roadside assistance, including 2.9% financing at 5 years, and including a resale value because it is a Canadian car. You might want to inform anyone who is interested that they won't have much of a resale value because the car was purchsed in the US. If you don't believe me, call any reputable used car lot, and ask them what they would give you for a car purchsed in the US then brought to Canada. It'll be little or nothing."


The cars are identical...LOL

They must be gettign real desparate, i think I'll have some fun with them. I don't much care for that stealership at all.

[Rehan]

Where does this information come from? It is not indicated at riv.ca http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/Section5_4.htm
(only for vehicles manufactured after Sep 1)

[reddy54]

Where does this information come from? It is not indicated at riv.ca

Look at section 5.4 in the new RIV list

[Tender]

I'm selling a 2008 Subaru I purchased in US... and this is the email I received from Ottawa Ogilvie Motors (Subaru) dealership:

"Just so you know, $37800 from a dealer all taxes/fees included, also including full warranty coverage in Canada with 3 years roadside assistance, including 2.9% financing at 5 years, and including a resale value because it is a Canadian car. You might want to inform anyone who is interested that they won't have much of a resale value because the car was purchsed in the US. If you don't believe me, call any reputable used car lot, and ask them what they would give you for a car purchsed in the US then brought to Canada. It'll be little or nothing."


Can you ask him which used car lot he's talking about? I'd love to find a car for "little or nothing" (especially if it's "nothing"!). :lol:

+1. I'd like to have one for "nothing" from him as well. Hell, I'll even pay him a finder's fee for a couple hundred bucks.

[GoodDeal]

What I found odd is that they were pretending to buy the car from me...

Email 1: Where was this Subaru purchased?
Answer: The Subaru was purchased in US, but is registered in Ontario.

Email 2: So the only way to get warranty coverage and not pay for it is to go to a US dealer or pay for it out of pocket, correct?
Answer: Warranty is covered in Canada, but I have to pay upfront and send it to Subaru US and they will reimburse me for the work.

Email 3: Could I ask what dealer you purchased the car from, and get the VIN from you so I can check Carfax just to make sure it's a new car? I am very interested.
(In the above email they forgot to hide the signature which displayed their name, phone, and dealership)
Answer: Why would you want to buy the car from me when you work for Subaru dealership at Ogilvie Motors (Subaru) ??

Email 4: It's a better price than I can get, even better than my employee price! Thats why.

And after the 4th email they sent me their sales pitch about how much better it is to buy from Canada.... I'm surprised they have nothing better to do?!?

[Rehan]

^ I think that behavior should be highlighted in its own special thread.

BTW, a snippet of your post is already on the first page of results at http://www.google.ca/search?q=Ottawa+Ogilvie and page 2 at http://www.google.ca/search?q=Ogilvie+Motors
hehe

[longdong]

why don`t you tell them that:
www.multiline.ca ,this guy sold already 30 used Tribecca 2008 to canadian already (within a month) with more than 10% profits




I'm selling a 2008 Subaru I purchased in US... and this is the email I received from Ottawa Ogilvie Motors (Subaru) dealership:

"Just so you know, $37800 from a dealer all taxes/fees included, also including full warranty coverage in Canada with 3 years roadside assistance, including 2.9% financing at 5 years, and including a resale value because it is a Canadian car. You might want to inform anyone who is interested that they won't have much of a resale value because the car was purchsed in the US. If you don't believe me, call any reputable used car lot, and ask them what they would give you for a car purchsed in the US then brought to Canada. It'll be little or nothing."

[Trexim]

And after the 4th email they sent me their sales pitch about how much better it is to buy from Canada.... I'm surprised they have nothing better to do?!?

I went there a couple of weeks ago, on a Saturday afternoon. The place was empty ... deserted ... We were the only ones checking out the cars with 3 salesmen standing around doing nothing. Don't know what it's like during the week.

[Trexim]

I'm selling a 2008 Subaru I purchased in US... and this is the email I received from Ottawa Ogilvie Motors (Subaru) dealership:

"Just so you know, $37800 from a dealer all taxes/fees included, also including full warranty coverage in Canada with 3 years roadside assistance, including 2.9% financing at 5 years, and including a resale value because it is a Canadian car. You might want to inform anyone who is interested that they won't have much of a resale value because the car was purchsed in the US. If you don't believe me, call any reputable used car lot, and ask them what they would give you for a car purchsed in the US then brought to Canada. It'll be little or nothing."

If possible forward the email to subaru.com, complain about scared tactic this particular dealership is spreading.

[diigii]

What I found odd is that they were pretending to buy the car from me...

Email 1: Where was this Subaru purchased?
Answer: The Subaru was purchased in US, but is registered in Ontario.

Email 2: So the only way to get warranty coverage and not pay for it is to go to a US dealer or pay for it out of pocket, correct?
Answer: Warranty is covered in Canada, but I have to pay upfront and send it to Subaru US and they will reimburse me for the work.

Email 3: Could I ask what dealer you purchased the car from, and get the VIN from you so I can check Carfax just to make sure it's a new car? I am very interested.
(In the above email they forgot to hide the signature which displayed their name, phone, and dealership)
Answer: Why would you want to buy the car from me when you work for Subaru dealership at Ogilvie Motors (Subaru) ??

Email 4: It's a better price than I can get, even better than my employee price! Thats why.

And after the 4th email they sent me their sales pitch about how much better it is to buy from Canada.... I'm surprised they have nothing better to do?!?

How do you expect to have any sympathies to some salespeople if they act like this? They are so conniving, deceptive and two-faced liars! They pretend to be your friend when you walk inside their dealership, expecting us buyers to believe them when they can lie to their teeth and not even flinch at their disgusting attitude. So I don't have any sympathies to them even if their family starves. I don't feel sorry at all I bought in the US if it is arrogant people I have to deal with here in Canada.

[st7860]

if you want to spread knowledge of car importing from the USA to a more wide audience, someone will have to create a facebook group for it.

[reddy54]

How do you expect to have any sympathies to some salespeople if they act like this? They are so conniving, deceptive and two-faced liars! They pretend to be your friend when you walk inside their dealership, expecting us buyers to believe them when they can lie to their teeth and not even flinch at their disgusting attitude. So I don't have any sympathies to them even if their family starves. I don't feel sorry at all I bought in the US if it is arrogant people I have to deal with here in Canada.

The salespeople at Subaru in Quebec are not all that bad. As I posted earlier the salesperson at a Montreal Subaru dealership told my wife this week that he no longer sells Tribecas and only has them for lease because they can be purchased for $15,000 less 90 miles away in Burlington VT.

[diigii]

I have sympathies for the honest and truthful people. But the "rotten" kinds? NOPE, not even an ounce. Sorry.


The salespeople at Subaru in Quebec are not all that bad. As I posted earlier the salesperson at a Montreal Subaru dealership told my wife this week that he no longer sells Tribecas and only has them for lease because they can be purchased for $15,000 less 90 miles away in Burlington VT.

[GoodDeal]

if you want to spread knowledge of car importing from the USA to a more wide audience, someone will have to create a facebook group for it.

Good idea!

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7011393766

[Georgian]

Can someone draft a letter and let's mass email to Jim Flaherty and transportation minister, industry minister regarding the immoblizer situation at RIV? (ie. manufacturers abuse the system to build barrier to deny the benefits of strong dollar to Canadians)

[Rehan]

Can someone draft a letter and let's mass email to Jim Flaherty and transportation minister, industry minister regarding the immoblizer situation at RIV? (ie. manufacturers abuse the system to build barrier to deny the benefits of strong dollar to Canadians) Check out post #8225 in this thread.
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5889673&postcount=8225

Don't mass e-mail, though. Customize it. Put it in your own words, with what concerns you the most about the situation. It'll get taken more seriously that way.

[Kamloops]

+1. I'd like to have one for "nothing" from him as well. Hell, I'll even pay him a finder's fee for a couple hundred bucks.

Funny I see lots os USA imports on the Car Lots here in Kamloops and I see no deals.

I just sold the Durango I purchased in August in Seattle, made almost 5K profit. Dealers in Canada are a bunch of A$$es

[apesma]

Buy Subaru, Infiniti, Audi or Hyundai
Has Audi changed their attitude? About a month ago a Minneapolis dealer told me they can't sell to Canadians.

[collector]

I called Lewiston today and they said they are closed for Nov 12 as well.

The number I called is the General inquiry number for Service Port - Buffalo: (716) 843-8300. I was given the Lewiston car export office number by the lady first and then she transferred me. First I had to listen to a recorded message which describes the procedure they follow at Lewiston for vehicle exportation, then I pressed 0, and the call was answered right away. I called at 12:40pm.

I called them again this morning and a very rude guy said they will be open on Monday, Nov.12th. Couldn't believe it... every day different answer.
Called again in the afternoon to make sure, and was given the same answer.

[Monsieurmaggot]

While I appreciate your work here, this is not quite true. I first learned about how easy it was to import cars into Canada from the Cars101 site http://www.cars101.com/canada.html and I know it preceeded this post by at least 6+ months...

What the hell was I saying? You're right. The strange thing is that I even quoted this site repeatedly in my first few posts.

Crazy Monsieurmaggot. I crack myself up sometimes...

[trex]

I'm selling a 2008 Subaru I purchased in US... and this is the email I received from Ottawa Ogilvie Motors (Subaru) dealership:

"Just so you know, $37800 from a dealer all taxes/fees included, also including full warranty coverage in Canada with 3 years roadside assistance, including 2.9% financing at 5 years, and including a resale value because it is a Canadian car. You might want to inform anyone who is interested that they won't have much of a resale value because the car was purchsed in the US. If you don't believe me, call any reputable used car lot, and ask them what they would give you for a car purchsed in the US then brought to Canada. It'll be little or nothing."

$37800 for which subaru? what make and trim level? a new 2008 model?

[GoodDeal]

$37800 for which subaru? what make and trim level? a new 2008 model?

I think they were referring to the same one I'm selling: 2008 Subaru Legacy Limited.

[jac_3232]

I have a US address in Florida that a friend told me I can use to purchase a new 2007 GM truck. The dealer does know that I will be importing the truck to Canada, and they say they will sell it to me. I’m unsure whether this is very smart on my part. Won’t the address on all the paperwork be the Florida address with my name on it? Since I have no proof that it’s my address, technically I have no proof that it’s my truck. Will I have trouble at the border doing this? Thanks in advance.

[trex]

I think they were referring to the same one I'm selling: 2008 Subaru Legacy Limited.

so what the heck are they bragging about then... you can save so much more going south.

ps thanks for sharing the story. sly tactics by that dealership!

[ajm25]

Where does this information come from? It is not indicated at riv.ca

Actually I did locate it on the riv site, but it refers to vehicles manufactured after September 1/07. I am buying a Veracruz manufactured last July and am told by riv that it is fine based on the manufacture date. If anyone has heard anything to the contrary please let me know.

[Rehan]

Actually I did locate it on the riv site, but it refers to vehicles manufactured after September 1/07. I am buying a Veracruz manufactured last July and am told by riv that it is fine based on the manufacture date. If anyone has heard anything to the contrary please let me know. Your Veracruz will be fine. http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/Section5_3.htm

[fulrach]

Hey Guys,

I've been reading this thread for the past 6 months on a daily basis...

I've FINALLY decided to take the plunge. Tomorrow I'm calling up Jack @ Manchester to confirm it all the last time and place my deposit on a Tribeca 5seater Ltd.

In any case, I'm getting him to tint my windows too, I've done a couple searches on the forums and in this thread and there's nothing useful mentioned about tint %'s. I did some brief google searches too and came up with 30% tint being acceptable in Ontario. I've read the 'law' on it and know it's already sketchy and doesn't say any specific %, only that you must be able to see the driver.

What I'm asking is: "What is a standard factory tint?" In my experience, the rear windows are normally darker than the driver/passenger ones. Anyone know what % these are? The search I just did on the forums came up with someone being charged for 18% which got me worried and made me post this. Yes, I know 18% is darker than 30%... just curious what the 'standard' is :)

Any feedback would be appreciated before the morning when I commit to this.

Thanks!

[doctordundurn]

Howdy all

long time follower new poster - yesterday drove to ohio and brought back my brand new 2007 toyota tundra. When i got to US customs at the lewiston bridge they did not have the fax copy of the title that the toyota dealer sent I didn't phone and confirm (my mistake). Anyways I took a chance and crossed the border into canada and once through the process without problem. My question is should i go back in 72 hours and with the vehicle, cross the border and present it to US customs - what do you guys think. any problems if i don't ?

[RoadRunner]

Anyone know of any good u.s. websites listing used cars for sale?

Thanks.

[Rehan]

Anyone know of any good u.s. websites listing used cars for sale? www.cars.com
www.autotrader.com

[RoadRunner]

www.cars.com
www.autotrader.com

Great! Thanks.

[dotcalamitie]

I just heard that Acura MDX 2007 can be purchased for $11,000 off list. And 2008 $9,000 off list. Canadian. True? I can't find supporting data online for this.

[iluvtofish]

I've been following this thread for about 3 weeks now and would like to thank everyone for their feedback and suggestions. I now have a brand new 5 pass. Tribeca Ltd. sitting in my garage waiting for the form 2 from RIV so that I can take it to CT. I guess RIV is quite busy because the phoning with the case# thing has not worked yet (its been about 2 1/2 days since I cleared customs). Does anyone know of a good Canadian Tire in the Vancouver, Lower mainland area? I am kind of nervous since I have heard that the inspection entails a test drive and I am reluctant to let any one drive my new baby!

[Tender]

Hey Guys,

I've been reading this thread for the past 6 months on a daily basis...

I've FINALLY decided to take the plunge. Tomorrow I'm calling up Jack @ Manchester to confirm it all the last time and place my deposit on a Tribeca 5seater Ltd.

In any case, I'm getting him to tint my windows too, I've done a couple searches on the forums and in this thread and there's nothing useful mentioned about tint %'s. I did some brief google searches too and came up with 30% tint being acceptable in Ontario. I've read the 'law' on it and know it's already sketchy and doesn't say any specific %, only that you must be able to see the driver.

What I'm asking is: "What is a standard factory tint?" In my experience, the rear windows are normally darker than the driver/passenger ones. Anyone know what % these are? The search I just did on the forums came up with someone being charged for 18% which got me worried and made me post this. Yes, I know 18% is darker than 30%... just curious what the 'standard' is :)

Any feedback would be appreciated before the morning when I commit to this.

Thanks!

I believe it's 35% for driver and passenger windows in Ontario. However I cannot guarantee this. You may check out with http://www.fxauto.com. I did my tinting there. My rear windows are 20%, which is dark enough for me. You could go for 15% if you want it to be really dark.

[mangoman]

I'm selling a 2008 Subaru I purchased in US... and this is the email I received from Ottawa Ogilvie Motors (Subaru) dealership:

"Just so you know, $37800 from a dealer all taxes/fees included, also including full warranty coverage in Canada with 3 years roadside assistance, including 2.9% financing at 5 years, and including a resale value because it is a Canadian car. You might want to inform anyone who is interested that they won't have much of a resale value because the car was purchsed in the US. If you don't believe me, call any reputable used car lot, and ask them what they would give you for a car purchsed in the US then brought to Canada. It'll be little or nothing."

I have no intentions of buying a Subaru only because I want something more fuel efficient, however this kind of behaviour pi$$es me off :evil: and I encourage everyone in the Ottawa area to pay them a visit this week and educate them about the "correct" price that any Canadian can obtain a Subaru for in the US and shoot holes in every "counter-argument" they try to pass off as "truth" and tell them politely but loud enough for any adjacent shoppers that it's not a really smart sales tactic to spread fear and false information. :twisted:

[Sprinterman]

After spending weeks trying to find a Sprinter with the right configuration and spending way to much time reading this forum, I decided I would get a broker to buy a Sprinter for me. We had found a vehicle and was about to close the deal when I got this email.

The Chrysler Corporation has immediately banned the sale of all new vehicles in the United States to Canadians. Any dealer who sells a new vehicle either wholesale or retail to anyone for the purpose of export is subject to a $10,000 fine for a first offence and loss of their franchise for repeat offences. There is not a dealer in the US who will sell us this Sprinter. I thought perhaps we could have a US citizen purchase the vehicle for you and then sell it to you as a used vehicle, this won't work either as Chrysler is forcing purchasers to sign a two year no sale for export agreement when they buy the car.

I was going to save $18,000 and put up with no warranty because of the huge savings but Chrysler has taken the hardest line of any of the major manufacturers. I will not but a Sprinter in Canada because I believe they will have to come close to the American price sooner that later. They can rot.:evil:
Has anybody heard of this news?

[tkl]

I've made my deposit and set a date for pick up. I will post a how-the-day-went detail once I do it along with a list of people to thank.

Questions regarding the Greyhound.

Do I need to book or buy a ticket in advance ?

Can I just buy at the Union station counter and expect a ticket ? Also, I've read conflicting info about US customs not letting people in if they don't buy a two-way ticket since I really only need a one-way.

thanks

[bcbud]

Howdy all

long time follower new poster - yesterday drove to ohio and brought back my brand new 2007 toyota tundra. When i got to US customs at the lewiston bridge they did not have the fax copy of the title that the toyota dealer sent I didn't phone and confirm (my mistake). Anyways I took a chance and crossed the border into canada and once through the process without problem. My question is should i go back in 72 hours and with the vehicle, cross the border and present it to US customs - what do you guys think. any problems if i don't ?

Register in Canada and don't worry about US Customs unless you have problems registering (very unlikely).

[yyz2hkg]

I've made my deposit and set a date for pick up. I will post a how-the-day-went detail once I do it along with a list of people to thank.

Questions regarding the Greyhound.

Do I need to book or buy a ticket in advance ?

Can I just buy at the Union station counter and expect a ticket ? Also, I've read conflicting info about US customs not letting people in if they don't buy a two-way ticket since I really only need a one-way.

thanks

I think you're referring to the Bus station at Bay and Dundas, unless they have buses out from Union. Anyhow, you can try and purchase your ticket at the last minute, and hope they're are seats left. When I went, I purchased a week ahead of time, just in case. Bus left at 8:15 got there at 12:00ish due to the wait at the border. I bought a one way fare and showed them at the border what I was doing (importing a car) but if you read the ticket stub, it states that you can be denied entry with a one way ticket, so it's up to you. Good Luck!

[yyz2hkg]

Does anyone know a website that details whats req'd to import a car that a few years old?

I was wondering if a used car (say 2002 or newer) had to stay in the US for the same 72hrs as new cars do among other things.

Thanks

yes, the same 72 hours still applies for paperwork.

[tkl]

I think you're referring to the Bus station at Bay and Dundas, unless they have buses out from Union. Anyhow, you can try and purchase your ticket at the last minute, and hope they're are seats left. When I went, I purchased a week ahead of time, just in case. Bus left at 8:15 got there at 12:00ish due to the wait at the border. I bought a one way fare and showed them at the border what I was doing (importing a car) but if you read the ticket stub, it states that you can be denied entry with a one way ticket, so it's up to you. Good Luck!

Great thanks. I'm not sure where the greyhound leaves from, I just assumed Union but haven't checked it out yet.

[sujat]

I was interested in getting either the FX35/M35. Personally I like the FX35, but wife likes the smoother M.

I noticed that all the cars I saw in online inventory at dealerships had VIN starting with an alphabet, which means that it will be subject to an extra 6.1% duty.
Am I correct in assuming that all Nissans & Infinitis will be subject to the 6.1% duty?

Thx

[overboost]

I just got back from my importing trip. I traveled down to Buffalo via bus and was planning to buy a 1way ticket as well. After reading up on stories of people being refused entry and such, I bought a return ticket just in case. I traveled via Coach Canada instead of Greyhound. The unused portion can be refunded at the bus station.

When i got to the border, the US customs person asked whether I had a 1way or 2 way ticket and wanted to see my ticket even though I told him I was going down to export a car and drive it up. Dunno if it helped whether I bought a return ticket or not, but at least it offered some peace of mind. I really needed to get into the country to import my car that day, so spending the extra $23 so that the customs officer knows that I'm planning to return is fair enough for me.



I've made my deposit and set a date for pick up. I will post a how-the-day-went detail once I do it along with a list of people to thank.

Questions regarding the Greyhound.

Do I need to book or buy a ticket in advance ?

Can I just buy at the Union station counter and expect a ticket ? Also, I've read conflicting info about US customs not letting people in if they don't buy a two-way ticket since I really only need a one-way.

thanks

[yyz2hkg]

I just got back from my importing trip. I traveled down to Buffalo via bus and was planning to buy a 1way ticket as well. After reading up on stories of people being refused entry and such, I bought a return ticket just in case. I traveled via Coach Canada instead of Greyhound. The unused portion can be refunded at the bus station.

When i got to the border, the US customs person asked whether I had a 1way or 2 way ticket and wanted to see my ticket even though I told him I was going down to export a car and drive it up. Dunno if it helped whether I bought a return ticket or not, but at least it offered some peace of mind. I really needed to get into the country to import my car that day, so spending the extra $23 so that the customs officer knows that I'm planning to return is fair enough for me.

You're absolutly right...I would've done the same and bought a return ticket for peace of mind for the extra $23. It didn't cross my mind at that time and this thread wasn't almost 500 + pages long last Oct 2006.

[tkl]

I just got back from my importing trip. I traveled down to Buffalo via bus and was planning to buy a 1way ticket as well. After reading up on stories of people being refused entry and such, I bought a return ticket just in case. I traveled via Coach Canada instead of Greyhound. The unused portion can be refunded at the bus station.

When i got to the border, the US customs person asked whether I had a 1way or 2 way ticket and wanted to see my ticket even though I told him I was going down to export a car and drive it up. Dunno if it helped whether I bought a return ticket or not, but at least it offered some peace of mind. I really needed to get into the country to import my car that day, so spending the extra $23 so that the customs officer knows that I'm planning to return is fair enough for me.

Alright thanks, I'll keep that in mind and check out Coach Canada as well.

[bolec59700]

How do you arrange for insurance on a car bought in US to bring it into Canada (Ontario). I called three brokers and all told me that they cannot insure the vehicle unless it is registered in Canada.

[toolman]

Anybody have the border information in Windsor/Detroit/Michican?

The whole area on the south side of the bridge is one big construction site.
Enter at 23th St. of Fort St. it is just a gravel road right now and easy to miss.
You will come to an automatic gate. go to the left and park at the 4 portable toilets. The cargo office is the second building on the right (east)

[accorder]

I was interested in getting either the FX35/M35. Personally I like the FX35, but wife likes the smoother M.

I noticed that all the cars I saw in online inventory at dealerships had VIN starting with an alphabet, which means that it will be subject to an extra 6.1% duty.
Am I correct in assuming that all Nissans & Infinitis will be subject to the 6.1% duty?

Thx

the cars manufactured outside of NA will be subjected 6.1% duty.
please also note that US FX35 manufactured after Sept 1, 2007 is listed inadmissible by Transport Canada. check here
http://ataleoftwoprices.com/default.aspx?ModelID=142

[Dreyfus]

After spending weeks trying to find a Sprinter with the right configuration and spending way to much time reading this forum, I decided I would get a broker to buy a Sprinter for me. We had found a vehicle and was about to close the deal when I got this email.

The Chrysler Corporation has immediately banned the sale of all new vehicles in the United States to Canadians. Any dealer who sells a new vehicle either wholesale or retail to anyone for the purpose of export is subject to a $10,000 fine for a first offence and loss of their franchise for repeat offences. There is not a dealer in the US who will sell us this Sprinter. I thought perhaps we could have a US citizen purchase the vehicle for you and then sell it to you as a used vehicle, this won't work either as Chrysler is forcing purchasers to sign a two year no sale for export agreement when they buy the car.

I was going to save $18,000 and put up with no warranty because of the huge savings but Chrysler has taken the hardest line of any of the major manufacturers. I will not but a Sprinter in Canada because I believe they will have to come close to the American price sooner that later. They can rot.:evil:
Has anybody heard of this news?

I made some inquiries, will let you know response.
There are a number of Sprinter forums as you probably know. One that is useful is in YAHOO Groups named Sprintervan. It is possible that this edict is confined to border states. Although Chrysler seems to be hostile to Canadians across the product line. As my dear departed mother used to say "shooting would be too good for them slow hanging would be more appropriate.

[Fonzy]

How are they allowed doing that to people? I thought it was a free trade agreement.

Are there any automakers that will sell in the U.S to canadians?

I wish prices in Canada would fall so we don't have to purchase in the U.S but I think we all know everything is a scam.

[Sprinterman]

I made some inquiries, will let you know response.
There are a number of Sprinter forums as you probably know. One that is useful is in YAHOO Groups named Sprintervan. It is possible that this edict is confined to border states. Although Chrysler seems to be hostile to Canadians across the product line. As my dear departed mother used to say "shooting would be too good for them slow hanging would be more appropriate.

This dealer was had picked out three vehicles in Nevada that he has dealt with lots of time and they have told him no way. Nevada is a long way to the border.

[eastsidesubaru]

How do you arrange for insurance on a car bought in US to bring it into Canada (Ontario). I called three brokers and all told me that they cannot insure the vehicle unless it is registered in Canada.

Don't tell them the car is in the US. :D

[eastsidesubaru]

Is the 2007 WRX STI hard to find new? My bf is looking to import a new STI within the next couple of months (holding for lower GST and possibly better exchange rate:cheesygri ) so I've been following the thread a lot lately. I haven't started contacting dealers to see if we can get our hands in a new STI in Jan/Feb 2008 yet. Have you started contacting dealers?

Pretty much can assure you that the 07 WRX stis will be gone by January.
Having a VERY hard time sourcing them for people right now.. There are still a few out there, but nobody will trade them anymore for the most part.

[shopper-X]

I was interested in getting either the FX35/M35. Personally I like the FX35, but wife likes the smoother M.

I noticed that all the cars I saw in online inventory at dealerships had VIN starting with an alphabet, which means that it will be subject to an extra 6.1% duty.
Am I correct in assuming that all Nissans & Infinitis will be subject to the 6.1% duty?

Thx

No not all.
All Infiniti's except the QX56 are built in Japan. The QX56 is built in the USA so no 6.1% duty.
Nissan are built all other the place including and not limited to USA and Mexico.
Here is a list from June 6th, 7007 posted by a4toronto:

here's the list of cars made in the USA by "import" manufacturers:
canadian or mexico manuf cars are not listed:

Acura TL – Marysville, Ohio
BMW X5 – Spartanburg, South Carolina
BMW Z4 – Spartanburg, South Carolina
Honda Accord – Marysville, Ohio
Honda Civic – East Liberty, Ohio
Honda Element – East Liberty, Ohio
Honda Odyssey – Lincoln, Alabama
Honda Pilot – Lincoln, Alabama
Mercedes-Benz M-Class – Vance, Alabama
Mercedes-Benz R-Class – Vance, Alabama
Mazda 6 – Flat Rock, Michigan
Mazda B-Series – Minneapolis, Minnesota
Mazda Tribute – Kansas City, Missouri
Hyundai Sonata – Montgomery, Alabama
Hyundai Santa Fe – Montgomery, Alabama
Infiniti QX56 – Canton, Mississippi
Isuzu Ascender – Moraine, Ohio and Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Isuzu i-Series Pickup – Shreveport, Louisiana
Mitsubishi Eclipse – Normal, Illinois
Mitsubishi Endeavor – Normal, Illinois
Mitsubishi Galant – Normal, Illinois
Mitsubishi Raider – Warren, Michigan
Nissan Altima – Smyrna, Tennessee and Canton, Mississippi
Nissan Armada – Canton, Mississippi
Nissan Frontier – Smyrna, Tennessee
Nissan Maxima – Smyrna, Tennessee
Nissan Pathfinder – Smyrna, Tennessee
Nissan Quest – Canton, Mississippi
Nissan Titan – Canton, Mississippi
Nissan Xterra – Smyrna, Tennessee
Saab 9-7X – Moraine, Ohio
Subaru Baja – Lafayette, Indiana
Subaru B9 Tribeca – Lafayette, Indiana
Subaru Legacy – Lafayette, Indiana
Subaru Outback – Lafayette, Indiana
Toyota Avalon – Georgetown, Kentucky
Toyota Camry – Georgetown, Kentucky
Toyota Camry Solara – Georgetown, Kentucky
Toyota Corolla – Fremont, California
Toyota Sequoia – Princeton, Indiana
Toyota Sienna – Princeton, Indiana
Toyota Tundra – Princeton, Indiana
Toyota Tacoma – Fremont, California

[mole11]

Going to be in Florida next week and have talked to a dealer who will sell a new X5, as long as I use my friends US address. I will have to pay the Florida state tax. Would I still need the clearance letter to bring it back to Canada? If I do get it, what other issues might I forsee to get it across the border.

[overboost]

Exactly like he said... follow the directions below. Keep an eye out for a sign that says "US Border and Customs Cargo Inspection facility" or something like that. That's where you need to turn into.

I just imported my car on Monday at the Fort Street Cargo Facility. It was my first time driving through Detroit and the area around Fort street is really, really bad. It's not an area you want to be driving through at night.




The whole area on the south side of the bridge is one big construction site.
Enter at 23th St. of Fort St. it is just a gravel road right now and easy to miss.
You will come to an automatic gate. go to the left and park at the 4 portable toilets. The cargo office is the second building on the right (east)

[vim]

Article about how somebody imported Civic and now has problem registering:
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=c0fcc0c3-8964-441e-abbd-731d7941a06b&k=86936

[inspire]

The whole area on the south side of the bridge is one big construction site.
Enter at 23th St. of Fort St. it is just a gravel road right now and easy to miss.
You will come to an automatic gate. go to the left and park at the 4 portable toilets. The cargo office is the second building on the right (east)

Thanks for the help. It's been a long time since I went this way (re: Fort St) and it was a really run-down area. Definitely not want to go there at night with a brand spanking new car. The signs there are horrible, even inside the compound. Just go where all the truckers are going with their paperwork ... line up and make sure you have all your paperwork in order.

If you have time on your side, and are hungry -- you can check out Mexicantown right near that area. Food there is fantastic since it's as authentic as you're gonna get this close to Canada (I've only had better Mexican food in Texas ...)


How do you arrange for insurance on a car bought in US to bring it into Canada (Ontario). I called three brokers and all told me that they cannot insure the vehicle unless it is registered in Canada.

Where you buying from? Usually, you fax the bill of sale to your local insurance company and it's insured from your Ontario agent. (Agent needs the VIN from the car and when you will take possession of the car to initiate coverage...)

[michelb]

Article about how somebody imported Civic and now has problem registering:
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=c0fcc0c3-8964-441e-abbd-731d7941a06b&k=86936

Interesting ... I'd be curious to know how this works out so keep us updated if you hear of any development.

The only issue here is that the buyer purchased a car that was never on the approved list; I can only imagine how frustrating it is since technically there's probably no reason it shouldn't be allowed (i.e. it's the same as 07) but it's not nearly as bad as people who buy a car that was ok (e.g. 08 Sienna) only to find out that all of a sudden it's not ok anymore specifically because of the immobilizer (pre Sept2007 08 Siennas are fine but post Sept2007 08 Siennas aren't (exact same model, exact same year). He can argue that the Civic hasn't changed since 07 but technically the 08 has never been admissible.)

[Tender]

Interesting ... I'd be curious to know how this works out so keep us updated if you hear of any development.

The only issue here is that the buyer purchased a car that was never on the approved list; I can only imagine how frustrating it is since technically there's probably no reason it shouldn't be allowed (i.e. it's the same as 07) but it's not nearly as bad as people who buy a car that was ok (e.g. 08 Sienna) only to find out that all of a sudden it's not ok anymore specifically because of the immobilizer (pre Sept2007 08 Siennas are fine but post Sept2007 08 Siennas aren't (exact same model, exact same year). He can argue that the Civic hasn't changed since 07 but technically the 08 has never been admissible.)

That's the problem here. Why is it up to the manufacturer to decide whether the car is admissible here? How about letting the drug companies to decide whether a drug is safe?

[inspire]

That's the problem here. Why is it up to the manufacturer to decide whether the car is admissible here? How about letting the drug companies to decide whether a drug is safe?

Difference with drugs is that it is government regulated. Manufacturers have to do a battery of tests to prove effectiveness as well as safety.

Cars -- self-regulated. The manufacturer tells RIV what is admissible. That's it. Usually crash test data submitted to the Dept of Transport (DOT) in US is what Transport Canada considers equivalent. Honda has chosen a loop-hole with the immobilizer as their "inadmissibility" ticket. As the Ottawa Citizen article said, the immobilizer on the 08 Civic is the same as the 07 model ... yet Honda has informed RIV that the models made past Sept 2007 do not meet standard. RIV is not going to test it and compare... they are going to take the word of the manufacturer.

[ziploc]

That's the problem here. Why is it up to the manufacturer to decide whether the car is admissible here? How about letting the drug companies to decide whether a drug is safe?

Here's the answer for TC, btw they don't care....they mandate is to make sure that cars on the road meet standards..that's it:


Thank you for contacting Transport Canada Road Safety Directorate.

The explanation or technical data on why a vehicle is not certified for Canada by the manufacturer can only be obtained from the said manufacturer. The safety standards that the specific class of vehicle must meet are the same for all manufacturers. The ability to prove that a vehicle can comply to our standards is the responsibility of the manufacturer. If they wish they can submit a list of US compliant vehicles that they are prepared to certify as also being Canadian Compliant to Transport Canada. Upon review and approval these vehicles can be added to our list of vehicles admissible from the United States, making the importation process easier. The information we receive from the manufacturers on US certified vehicles is strictly done on a volunteer basis and is a tool only, to be used by the importer and administered for us by the Registrar of Imported Vehicles.

Thank you,

Information Centre/Centre d'information

Transport(s) Canada

Road Safety/Sécurité routière

1-800-333-0371 or (613) 998-8616

roadsafetywebmail@tc.gc.ca

[HondaSucks]

That's the problem here. Why is it up to the manufacturer to decide whether the car is admissible here? How about letting the drug companies to decide whether a drug is safe?

If health Canada operated the same way as Transport Canada we would all be dead or close to it....

[HondaSucks]

Interesting ... I'd be curious to know how this works out so keep us updated if you hear of any development.

The only issue here is that the buyer purchased a car that was never on the approved list; I can only imagine how frustrating it is since technically there's probably no reason it shouldn't be allowed (i.e. it's the same as 07) but it's not nearly as bad as people who buy a car that was ok (e.g. 08 Sienna) only to find out that all of a sudden it's not ok anymore specifically because of the immobilizer (pre Sept2007 08 Siennas are fine but post Sept2007 08 Siennas aren't (exact same model, exact same year). He can argue that the Civic hasn't changed since 07 but technically the 08 has never been admissible.)

The issue is that the process is relatively straight forward. The issue is that Canadian Manufacturers are being protected by the rules governing Transport Canada. Everyone new about the Immobilizer issue,,, This is just a scam to gouge Canadians,.. supported by our Govt. I hope it brings out more stories..

[scouzi]

If health Canada operated the same way as Transport Canada we would all be dead or close to it....


Read "Honda's Philosohy"

http://www.honda.ca/HondaCorp/en/about1.asp?navIndex=1&subNavIndex=1

How arrogant of them.

I will never ever ever buy a Honda brand in my life.


HONDA PHILOSOPHY:

It begins with Respect for the Individual. This comes from a fundamental belief that the Human Being is born with the capacity to think, reason and create and that at Honda we should strive to nurture and support these unique characteristics. How? By encouraging Initiative. By treating all individuals with Equality. By building a company that fosters Trust. At Honda, we believe that every interaction we have with our customers, dealers and fellow Associates should reflect this philosophy.

With this Respect we work together to better serve our customers with what we call The Three Joys.


Every person who comes in contact with a Honda should feel joy as a result.

By getting a product that exceeds their expectations, our customers experience the Joy of Buying.

By forming meaningful relationships with customers and servicing excellent products, our dealers experience the Joy of Selling.

And, by making innovative products that surpass customer expectations, our associates experience the Joy of Creating.

[Tender]

...HONDA PHILOSOPHY:

...by making innovative products that surpass customer expectations, our associates experience the Joy of Creating.

by finding the ways (through innovation) to block Canadians from buying in the U.S., our company experiences the Joy of Gouging customers.

[Rehan]

HONDA PHILOSOPHY:

It begins with Respect for the Individual. This comes from a fundamental belief that the Human Being is born with the capacity to think, reason and create and that at Honda we should strive to nurture and support these unique characteristics. How? By encouraging Initiative. By treating all individuals with Equality. By building a company that fosters Trust. At Honda, we believe that every interaction we have with our customers, dealers and fellow Associates should reflect this philosophy. Wow. Their sales practices are totally opposite to this "philosophy".

[scouzi]

by finding the ways (through innovation) to block Canadians from buying in the U.S., our company experiences the Joy of Gouging customers.

And we stupid Canadians are subsidizing this.

They are selling cars built in Canada at a higher price. These cars are subsidized by our own taxes!

[inspire]

And we stupid Canadians are subsidizing this.

They are selling cars built in Canada at a higher price. These cars are subsidized by our own taxes!

^ How many cars do they sell in the US? How many jobs (direct and indirect) has Honda provided Ontario? The hand out by Ontario is far less than the trickle-down of jobs Honda provides (and will provide with the new plants they are building in Ontario). So ... I would be more pissed if I lived outside of Ontario.

I understand why people are infuriated by Honda's import policies but I will not bite the hand that feeds many Ontarians. Just buy something else or wait until their pricing strategy falls in line with other car manufacturers.

[reddy54]

RIV updated their list today. This is second time in two days. At first glance I cannot see what changes were made.

[scouzi]

Hope this gets on the list soon!


http://jalopnik.com/cars/la-auto-show/new-hyundai-genesis-coupe-caught-at-marketing-meetup-320313.php

[Acadian]

I just read that Ottawa Citizen report....unbelievable!

I am ashamed to say, i own an Acura.

Great thread!

[fredsmith]

I am negotiating to purchase a 2007 Cadillac (because it is on the list - I'd prefer a 2008, but it isn't importable for some reason . . . if you know what I mean.

The sales rep says that 2 days ago GM raised the price of the recall certification letter from $25 to $275.

Further Canadians cannot participate in the 'Cadillac Certified' program that extends the base warranty by 2 years and the mileange by 50,000 miles - all for $1,000. On a C$70,000 very high tech Cadillac, this is a no-brainer. You want it . . .

So GM is a strong participant in the drive to keep us Canadians buying up here . . . .

[tico 1948]

Read "Honda's Philosohy"

http://www.honda.ca/HondaCorp/en/about1.asp?navIndex=1&subNavIndex=1

How arrogant of them.

I will never ever ever buy a Honda brand in my life.


HONDA PHILOSOPHY:

It begins with Respect for the Individual. This comes from a fundamental belief that the Human Being is born with the capacity to think, reason and create and that at Honda we should strive to nurture and support these unique characteristics. How? By encouraging Initiative. By treating all individuals with Equality. By building a company that fosters Trust. At Honda, we believe that every interaction we have with our customers, dealers and fellow Associates should reflect this philosophy.

With this Respect we work together to better serve our customers with what we call The Three Joys.


Every person who comes in contact with a Honda should feel joy as a result.

By getting a product that exceeds their expectations, our customers experience the Joy of Buying.

By forming meaningful relationships with customers and servicing excellent products, our dealers experience the Joy of Selling.

And, by making innovative products that surpass customer expectations, our associates experience the Joy of Creating.
Looks like Talking the Talk but F**K Walking the Walk.Oh well, just means more people can enjoy other makes of vehicles that have a "Real Philosophy" as in allowing the natural flow of goods; instead of practising Honda's empty weasel words.Just my opinion.

[elviswhite]

I was interested in getting either the FX35/M35. Personally I like the FX35, but wife likes the smoother M.

I noticed that all the cars I saw in online inventory at dealerships had VIN starting with an alphabet, which means that it will be subject to an extra 6.1% duty.
Am I correct in assuming that all Nissans & Infinitis will be subject to the 6.1% duty?

Thx

Just look for VINs that start with numbers 1-5 (Canada, USA, Mexico) and you'll be fine. Also, 08 FX35/45 inadmissable as of Tuesday.

[longdong]

that's the BS . Just a joy when they force canadian to buy over price car in Canada. They didn't care about their customer when they made an error , they want their customer paid for their error. There is no way for them to send out the clearance letter even for a used car (to any canadian) but they will send clearance letter if you are a US residents. HONDA is not the only manufacture in the world .. SO BUY ANYTHING ELSE BUT A HONDA EVEN you are stupid enough to buy car in Canada .








Read "Honda's Philosohy"

http://www.honda.ca/HondaCorp/en/about1.asp?navIndex=1&subNavIndex=1

How arrogant of them.

I will never ever ever buy a Honda brand in my life.


HONDA PHILOSOPHY:

It begins with Respect for the Individual. This comes from a fundamental belief that the Human Being is born with the capacity to think, reason and create and that at Honda we should strive to nurture and support these unique characteristics. How? By encouraging Initiative. By treating all individuals with Equality. By building a company that fosters Trust. At Honda, we believe that every interaction we have with our customers, dealers and fellow Associates should reflect this philosophy.

With this Respect we work together to better serve our customers with what we call The Three Joys.


Every person who comes in contact with a Honda should feel joy as a result.

By getting a product that exceeds their expectations, our customers experience the Joy of Buying.

By forming meaningful relationships with customers and servicing excellent products, our dealers experience the Joy of Selling.

And, by making innovative products that surpass customer expectations, our associates experience the Joy of Creating.

[ziploc]

RIV updated their list today. This is second time in two days. At first glance I cannot see what changes were made.

they updating the list, but they aren't answering emails and phones....:confused:

[shopper-X]

Read "Honda's Philosohy"

http://www.honda.ca/HondaCorp/en/about1.asp?navIndex=1&subNavIndex=1

How arrogant of them.

I will never ever ever buy a Honda brand in my life.


HONDA PHILOSOPHY:

It begins with Respect for the Individual. This comes from a fundamental belief that the Human Being is born with the capacity to think, reason and create and that at Honda we should strive to nurture and support these unique characteristics. How? By encouraging Initiative. By treating all individuals with Equality. By building a company that fosters Trust. At Honda, we believe that every interaction we have with our customers, dealers and fellow Associates should reflect this philosophy.

With this Respect we work together to better serve our customers with what we call The Three Joys.


Every person who comes in contact with a Honda should feel joy as a result.

By getting a product that exceeds their expectations, our customers experience the Joy of Buying.

By forming meaningful relationships with customers and servicing excellent products, our dealers experience the Joy of Selling.

And, by making innovative products that surpass customer expectations, our associates experience the Joy of Creating.


that's the BS . Just a joy when they force canadian to buy over price car in Canada. They didn't care about their customer when they made an error , they want their customer paid for their error. There is no way for them to send out the clearance letter even for a used car (to any canadian) but they will send clearance letter if you are a US residents. HONDA is not the only manufacture in the world .. SO BUY ANYTHING ELSE BUT A HONDA EVEN you are stupid enough to buy car in Canada .

Let's break Honda's Philosohy apart:
HONDA PHILOSOPHY:

It begins with Respect for the Individual. This comes from a fundamental belief that the Human Being is born with the capacity to think, reason and create and that at Honda we should strive to nurture and support these unique characteristics. How? By encouraging Initiative. By treating all individuals with Equality. = No new sales for export.

By building a company that fosters Trust. = No warranty if you export.
At Honda, we believe that every interaction we have with our customers, dealers and fellow Associates should reflect this philosophy. = You will lose your dealer status if you sell new for export

Great Philosohy Honda...keep it up! :cool:

[Dreyfus]

You will be happy to know that the US ambassador to Canada is quite happy with the Copyright and Counterfeit initiatives outlined in the speech from the throne. Our "new gov't" has legions of civil servants and consultants working on protecting us from copied music and counterfeit Prada, Gucci, Chanel handbags. And it gets even better, after the act is passed we will have legions of law enforcement officers, attorneys, courthouses and jails at the behest of the US ambassador. Canada is fast becoming another Puerto Rico. They don't have the resources to rewrite and issue an "Order in Council" to relieve the burden placed on Canadians by their ill considered CMVSS114. CMVSS is costing Canadians more in a month than the copyright/counterfeit business is costing in a century. Get your priorities straight Mr Harper.

[whampoa]

If health Canada operated the same way as Transport Canada we would all be dead or close to it....

It's a shame really how scrupulous and corrupt the automakers and transport Canada cartels have become.

That's why I believe the plan is underway to put out more road block against ordinary consumers from importing from the US or anywhere else.

That's why I suggest if the manufacturers wants to play this game. We the consumerist should screw them up every which way we can.

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

Calling RIV is harder than getting a date with Angelina Jolie.

[ajm25]

In terms of being stuck with an orphaned vehicle, RIV advises that as long as you purchase the vehicle at a point in time at which it is on the admissible list, you will be permitted to register in Canada. At this point they base it on when the bill of sale is dated, but Cameron at RIV indicated that there is some talk that this may change and that it may be based on when you bring the vehicle back across the border. So I would avoid any extended road trips to make sure this does not occur. Your vendor should notify US customs in advance to be sure that you can bring it back immediately.

All of this is admittedly to address a risk that is remote, but I don't want to get stuck with a $40k vehicle I can't register.



Interesting ... I'd be curious to know how this works out so keep us updated if you hear of any development.

The only issue here is that the buyer purchased a car that was never on the approved list; I can only imagine how frustrating it is since technically there's probably no reason it shouldn't be allowed (i.e. it's the same as 07) but it's not nearly as bad as people who buy a car that was ok (e.g. 08 Sienna) only to find out that all of a sudden it's not ok anymore specifically because of the immobilizer (pre Sept2007 08 Siennas are fine but post Sept2007 08 Siennas aren't (exact same model, exact same year). He can argue that the Civic hasn't changed since 07 but technically the 08 has never been admissible.)

[Indijones]

All the big automakers are producing the cars in Canada, exporting them to the US and there they are selling them at least 20% cheaper than those in Canada! The Canadians should start a backlash against those automakers like Toyota to make them feel the heat of consumer dissatisfaction. :evil:

[Tender]

In terms of being stuck with an orphaned vehicle, RIV advises that as long as you purchase the vehicle at a point in time at which it is on the admissible list, you will be permitted to register in Canada. At this point they base it on when the bill of sale is dated, but Cameron at RIV indicated that there is some talk that this may change and that it may be based on when you bring the vehicle back across the border. So I would avoid any extended road trips to make sure this does not occur. Your vendor should notify US customs in advance to be sure that you can bring it back immediately.

All of this is admittedly to address a risk that is remote, but I don't want to get stuck with a $40k vehicle I can't register.

Is this true? Who's this Cameron? Can someone verify this? I can't imagine RIV or TC doing this, unless they want to prove that they work FOR the manufacturers as well.

[Tender]

All the big automakers are producing the cars in Canada, exporting them to the US and there they are selling them at least 20% cheaper than those in Canada! The Canadians should start a backlash against those automakers like Toyota to make them feel the heat of consumer dissatisfaction. :evil:

If the politicians (or anyone else) are concerned about job preservation here, they should tell the automakers to increase the prices in the U.S. Otherwise they'll cry for huge losses and start mass layoffs soon.

[ajm25]

Is this true? Who's this Cameron? Can someone verify this? I can't imagine RIV or TC doing this, unless they want to prove that they work FOR the manufacturers as well.

He's just a guy answering phones at RIV (who gave me a reference number on the call for recordkeeping purposes). Perhaps give them a call and let me know if they tell a different story.

[mangoman]

Btw, I noticed one GM dealer in the Ottawa area that has decided not to try and argue with the customers who've found deals in the US - he's trying his hand at making up some of the difference in lost sales commissions by advertising a full-page ad for what are essentially brokerage/importer services.

They don't make mention of the actual costs involved and they make it seem like it's really complicated to find out what to do so for that reason I won't mention their name since it really isn't that complex if you stick to the basic guidelines given in this thread but at least they're not trying to feed hogwash back at the informed consumer like "Oh No-gilvie" did a few pages back.

[st7860]

Btw, I noticed one GM dealer in the Ottawa area that has decided not to try and argue with the customers who've found deals in the US - he's trying his hand at making up some of the difference in lost sales commissions by advertising a full-page ad for what are essentially brokerage/importer services.


whats the name of this dealer?

[resilient]

Is it a good idea to use a broker to buy a car in the USA through an auction? Can you rely on the broker to ensure the car is a good price and is in good mechanical condition? I know it is quite hard to figure out the value of a used car so if the broker can do that part of it he is adding value. The value of a car is going to much less if it comes from a state that uses salt in the winter. How do you protect yourself on all these issues?

[geekhead]

Btw, I noticed one GM dealer in the Ottawa area that has decided not to try and argue with the customers who've found deals in the US - he's trying his hand at making up some of the difference in lost sales commissions by advertising a full-page ad for what are essentially brokerage/importer services.

They don't make mention of the actual costs involved and they make it seem like it's really complicated to find out what to do so for that reason I won't mention their name since it really isn't that complex if you stick to the basic guidelines given in this thread but at least they're not trying to feed hogwash back at the informed consumer like "Oh No-gilvie" did a few pages back.

FWIW- Toyota Canada dropped it's price a whopping $500 for Siennas. I hear thru the grapevine there will be additional incentives tommorrow being announced. Sounds like sales have tanked and I told my sales rep who keeps wondering why I'm not buying that there is along way to go with further price reductions before people will return to part with their hard earned cash. I'd say inventories have risen and to buyers should refuse to buy until the prices are a lot closer to the US levels. If you buy at these price levels just wait to see the terrific depreciation over the next few years.

To make matters worse Toyota dealers west of Toronto are offering US Toyotas on their lots at close to Canadian prices. The battles lost Toyota, might as well take the hit now with price parity. And just wait till all those who have bought cars high the last few years get ready to trade or sell in the next few years, talk about sticker shock.

My only hedge against this huge depreciation hit will be to buy a 2007 @ US prices now and then some of the massive depreciation which will happen will be minimized. Can you imagine what a 2007 SiennaLE bought @ todays price of $37000 will be worth in 4 years ?

[mangoman]

whats the name of this dealer?


1st one on the list that comes up:

http://apps.gmcanada.com/app/GMCanada/DealerLocatorList.do?nav=0&lang=en&SRCHTYPE=CITYNAME&POSTLST=ON&PROGRAMCD=&SELECTED_SERVICE=Optional&DEALER_SEARCH_LAYER_HIDDEN=layerid2&cmb_brand=0%7E0&cmb_service=0&POSTLCD=&CITYNM=orleans&POSTLST_CITY=ON&BANM=&POSTLST_DLRNM=&COUNT=1

[jayoldschool]

Marcel Belanger Pontiac has an ad in today's Ottawa Sun stating that they offer a new service: brokering used US vehicles for Canadian customers! You find the car you want in the US, and they will bring it in for you...

[JWL]

Thats what I'm thinking. In other words, Nissan is being coy - Yes they will honor the warranty if you register in the US first, no theres no way *to* actually register in the US first :(

What is "registering"? In going through the how-to on carburner.com I noticed that in NY you have to pay a $15 registration fee. I know I'm stretching here but......

All in all, if you have to buy a Nissan that has been used 6 months, that isn't too terrible. Might be easier to avoid unco-operative dealers too.

EDIT: Never mind. I was grasping at straws. http://www.nysdmv.com/register.htm

[eurasian]

Hey guys,

Any of you from Montreal and bought a Subaru in the States? If so, I'd like some referals if you had a good service/price.

thanks!
E.

[scouzi]

Hey guys,

Any of you from Montreal and bought a Subaru in the States? If so, I'd like some referals if you had a good service/price.

thanks!
E.

I did at Burlington Subaru. They don't give the best price but they take care of physically sending someone at the border with the proper papers 72 hours in advance.

[erpou]

Might be hard to locate now, but does anyone have an electronic copy of the RIV admissible vehicles that was just prior to Nov. 1? I bought on Oct. 31, but need some backup to try and get my 2008 Toyota Prius through...

PM would be fantastic, and thanks in advance.


eric

[perfchris]

Hey guys,

Any of you from Montreal and bought a Subaru in the States? If so, I'd like some referals if you had a good service/price.

thanks!
E.

I have heard only great things about Xan at Manchester Subaru. It is about 4 hours away but you might save some $$$ as he usually sells at rock bottom prices as compared to Burlington Subaru. He also takes care of all the paperwork.

[RRKnight]

Hi RFDers, I'm purchasing a brand new G37 but it does not have DRL. How do I get the DRL to be enabled?

[fredsmith]

Hi RFDers, I'm purchasing a brand new G37 but it does not have DRL. How do I get the DRL to be enabled?

Canadian Tire can install the feature while they do the inspection. It's just a relay.

[RRKnight]

Canadian Tire can install the feature while they do the inspection. It's just a relay.

Do you know how much they charge?

[thelefteyeguy]

...crappy tire touching a G37....holy mother of god. :O

[michelb]

...crappy tire touching a G37....holy mother of god. :O

I would agree 100% - you're spending a lot of money on a car, don't let CT touch it !!!

CT can install a generic 3rd party DRL relay which works by splicing into a few cables (low beams, high beams, wrap around one plug, etc) and it's only about $25 plus install but do yourself a favour and bring it into the dealership to get the proper module for your car rather than a band-aid solution. Probably cost you a few hundred dollars but I think it's well worth it.

[scouzi]

Do you know how much they charge?

I would stay away from CT touching a brand new car!

Why can't the US dealer do it?

[michelb]

Might be hard to locate now, but does anyone have an electronic copy of the RIV admissible vehicles that was just prior to Nov. 1? I bought on Oct. 31, but need some backup to try and get my 2008 Toyota Prius through...

PM would be fantastic, and thanks in advance.


eric

Actually if anyone has it, forward it off to www.carburner.com and/or www.ataleoftwoprices.com. If those guys don't want it, send me a PM and I'll host it on my machine so that others who want it can get it easily.

[RRKnight]

I would stay away from CT touching a brand new car!

Why can't the US dealer do it?

Good point guys, do you think the dealer here will do it?

[shopper-X]

...crappy tire touching a G37....holy mother of god. :O

ha ha...I have to agree with that comment :D
I would phone a few Infiniti dealers around you and get a quote. It might be $300 more then Crappy Tire but you'll be happier!

As I mentioned before, I guy at work imported a 2008 Altima Coupe and got the DRL's installed at Nissan (also an Infiniti dealer) for $250 Parts and Labour. Also from what I've read and seen personally, the Crappy Tire staff hardly even check for DRL's (around here at least)

[accorder]

Might be hard to locate now, but does anyone have an electronic copy of the RIV admissible vehicles that was just prior to Nov. 1? I bought on Oct. 31, but need some backup to try and get my 2008 Toyota Prius through...

PM would be fantastic, and thanks in advance.


eric

hi eric, you can find it here.
http://ataleoftwoprices.com/forum/forums/t/9.aspx

[googz]

I have heard only great things about Xan at Manchester Subaru. It is about 4 hours away but you might save some $$$ as he usually sells at rock bottom prices as compared to Burlington Subaru. He also takes care of all the paperwork.

+1

I can vouch for the $$$ savings...

[eurasian]

Yah, I've read on this board about Xan from Manchester, but I was wondering if he had any real competitors, or if he was THE person to contact ;)

As for paper work, I think most if not all of them do take care of that.

[Rehan]

I heard a radio commercial this afternoon for Audi Downtown Toronto (http://www.audidowntowntoronto.com/) that said they were offering US pricing on 2007 models this month. I don't have any other details, but anyone interested in an Audi might want to check them out.

[tareks]

I have a question about buying a Nissan car from the US and transferring the warranty over. I've read everything I can find and I can't get a clear answer.

I phoned the Nissan help line (1800-Nissan-1) and they told me that the car has to be first registered for at least 1 day in the US, and can't change titles within 6 months. However, when I talked to the guy at King Nissan in Bellingham, he said there's a "loophole" around this that basically after 90 days you'll get warranty coverage no matter what. According to him Nissan HQ demands dealers to honour a warranty after 90 days regardless of whether it was registered in the US first.

So with this information I phoned the Nissan help line back, and they had no clue about this 90 day "loophole". All they know is that you have to register it for at least 1 day in the States.

Does anyone have any information about this? The guy I talked to at King Nissan said he was the "Canadian Specialist" and he actually lives in Burnaby. I just don't know if he's just telling me this to try to sell me a car, or if it's legit.

Thanks.

[can2000]

Hey guys,

Any of you from Montreal and bought a Subaru in the States? If so, I'd like some referals if you had a good service/price.

thanks!
E.

I heard that Manchester Subaru has good reputation too.

[drwzer]

In process of buying a US vehicle in NH and in order to buy this new vehicle I have to register it using an apartment my wife owns in NY. I don't mind since it is the only way I can get the new vehicle except I'll have to pay NY tax.:cry: But still will save thousands. The question I have is the dealer is giving me all the documents including MCO for me to register the vehicle myself when I take it to NY, but what is stopping me from just bringing it over the border after faxing the border guards my documents.

[accorder]

only $1500 on the A4?!

http://ataleoftwoprices.com/forum/forums/t/58.aspx

[drwzer]

I'll still wait the three days before crossing border and get the stamp. I'm just wondering if there is anything else preventing me from skipping the registration process. I'll have temp tags, MCO, and bill of sale.

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

FWIW- Toyota Canada dropped it's price a whopping $500 for Siennas. I hear thru the grapevine there will be additional incentives tommorrow being announced. Sounds like sales have tanked and I told my sales rep who keeps wondering why I'm not buying that there is along way to go with further price reductions before people will return to part with their hard earned cash. I'd say inventories have risen and to buyers should refuse to buy until the prices are a lot closer to the US levels. If you buy at these price levels just wait to see the terrific depreciation over the next few years.

To make matters worse Toyota dealers west of Toronto are offering US Toyotas on their lots at close to Canadian prices. The battles lost Toyota, might as well take the hit now with price parity. And just wait till all those who have bought cars high the last few years get ready to trade or sell in the next few years, talk about sticker shock.

My only hedge against this huge depreciation hit will be to buy a 2007 @ US prices now and then some of the massive depreciation which will happen will be minimized. Can you imagine what a 2007 SiennaLE bought @ todays price of $37000 will be worth in 4 years ?

I talked to more than a dozen dealers, of various car makes, and none of them gives a hoot, i talked to some of the Manufacturers directly, and none of the people talking to me give a flying crap about the price difference, i really doubt you will see any car manufacturer lower their price by any meaningful amount in the next 12-18 months.

My 2 neighbors imported the following 3 cars lately: S500, G35coupe, and BMW X5 .. looks like i need to get into the import business soon, i feel left out... Take that Car manufacturers, i hope the profits gags you :evil:

[perfchris]

In process of buying a US vehicle in NH and in order to buy this new vehicle I have to register it using an apartment my wife owns in NY. I don't mind since it is the only way I can get the new vehicle except I'll have to pay NY tax.:cry: But still will save thousands. The question I have is the dealer is giving me all the documents including MCO for me to register the vehicle myself when I take it to NY, but what is stopping me from just bringing it over the border after faxing the border guards my documents.

Nothing.....

[sheriffabc]

Yah, I've read on this board about Xan from Manchester, but I was wondering if he had any real competitors, or if he was THE person to contact ;)

As for paper work, I think most if not all of them do take care of that.

Try Gus at Fitzmall - 1-888-670-4800 - will do paper work! GL

[HighFlyer]

Canada customs requires the US Customs stamp or else they'll refuse the vehicle entry into Canada. I think thats it...
I know the CBSA officer circled the stamp on the MSO.... means that they probably do look for this.

[GoKartRacer]

I Would first like to thank everyone on here for helping me out. Without this forum I would have been lost. This forum has saved me thousands :-). Thanks to everyone. Now for my story:

We purchased the 2008 ES350 from a Lexus dealer in New Jersey. The only thing was that they could not sell to me unless I had a US address. Also Lexus has a rule that they must title and register the car in a state (hence the us address needed and therefore you need to pay sales tax). The problem was that we didnt have a US address and setting one up with a mail forwarding service wasnt really working. We have family in NJ so we got our family to purchase the car and title it in their name. Yes we had to pay the 7% sales tax. The only way to avoid that would have been to use a NH or OR address. But this wasnt possible.

So I negotiated on the phone. Used the Edmunds website to see what other people were paying. Anyway I got a pretty damn good deal. The dealership was good at pricing. There were some moments that annoyed me but all in all I got what I wanted. I also called up surrounding dealerships to see how low they would negotiate.

My relatives picked up the car, it was plated with NJ plates and registered in the state of NJ. We had to wait about 3 weeks from purchase before we received the title. With the title and a bill of sale drawn up by my relatives we were ready to cross the border.

I faxed in the title about a week before we went down to Lewiston. I wasnt able to confirm with them on the phone whether they had received the title or not so i had to keep my fingers crossed.

Booked a set of flights for about $120 CAD one way..from the Buffalo airport on Saturday and stayed with relatives and drove from NJ to Niagara Falls, NY on Sunday. Oh btw I brought an Ontario Temp Plate that I got from the ministry and drove the car with that (didnt get stopped). Getting insurance was a breeze, just told them we got a new car and gave the VIN. Btw I needed the title and insurance to get the temp plate.

Got to Niagara Falls, NY and stayed there overnight. Used priceline and got the four points for $58 US pesos. In the morning arrived at Queenston Lewiston and there was already a line at the vehicle export office at 7:40am. By the time the office opened at 8am the line was so long, out the door. Got to the front of the line, showed the title, she looked it up on the computer then went to a big folder and found the fax there and stamped our form and we were off to Canadian customs.

Btw, there is a lady at US customs who is not nice at all. I could use the B word but that wouldnt be nice of me now would it. She is so rude, she sent someone to the back of the line (i dont know why). People in the line were joking that she needed a date or something. Anyway beware of her, make sure you have everything in order or you might get bitten. The guy who was there was nice he even took a photocopy of a title that he couldnt find in the fax log for a customer. They did not even look at the vehicle, they were too busy.

Canada customs was quick. They dont fill out Form 1 you have to fill it out. We paid GST and 6.1% duty. Drove back to Etobicoke and went straight to the RIV. Waited in line there and got the form. Went to crappy tire, got that done. Went to the ministry of transport office and they said i needed a SSC (safety test) because its not a new car. Argued but she said becuse its been registered and titled before you need to get it. Ok got the safety test and went back and got our plates.

All in all its a bit work, and will take some time and effort and patience. But in the end we saved a ton of money and we are really happy with that. So it was worth it. Now we are looking to buy another car and maybe going for a Subie, who knows....

Thanks again to everyone
-GoKartRacer....

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

I heard a radio commercial this afternoon for Audi Downtown Toronto (http://www.audidowntowntoronto.com/) that said they were offering US pricing on 2007 models this month. I don't have any other details, but anyone interested in an Audi might want to check them out.


all i can say they can stuff those right back up their ass. US Pricing?
I called them now and the price is not even close to the american price.

They are behaving just like BMW. 1500 or 3000 won't make a dent in a price that is higer by 40-50 percent than the US price.

bunch of morons.

[accorder]

We are DEEPLY disappointed by 'the best efforts' from Canadian auto manufacturers/dealers to lower Canadian auto prices. I am compiling a list of U.S. dealers who value businesses with Canadians consumers. If you have any information/leads and would like to share with fellow Canadians, please post it at http://ataleoftwoprices.com/forum/forums/12.aspx.

If you talk to an U.S. dealer, please ecourage the dealer to get listed in the Directory (http://ataleoftwoprices.com/todealer.aspx) . http://ataleoftwoprices.com/todealer.aspx
Let's do something to show them Canadians won't get fooled.

[HighFlyer]

Btw, there is a lady at US customs who is not nice at all. I could use the B word but that wouldnt be nice of me now would it. She is so rude, she sent someone to the back of the line (i dont know why). People in the line were joking that she needed a date or something. Anyway beware of her, make sure you have everything in order or you might get bitten.
The blonde with a name tag that begins with Z? When I was in the line up to get my MSO stamped, someone walked out of there and commented 'Soup Nazi' quietly to the lineup :cheesygri .... which is fitting when you watch how she reacts to things. "NEXT!!!!" "Come back MONDAY!" :cheesygri

[the Bez]

Hi - long time reader, first time poster. Great, great thread and I am planning to import a car shortly but I'm still figuring out what vehicle to buy. I have been loyal to Honda and Toyota for so long that it's hard to change, but I'm pissed off about their tactics enough that I'm considering a Subaru, even though I have no experience with them - biggest concerns for me are 1. Reliability and 2. Fuel Economy.

I apologize if this question has already been asked but this immobilizer issue is confusing to me. I thought that a person had 45 days to get whatever mod's are required done to make it compliant with Canadian standards. Why doesn't this include the immobilizer? Can you not get an aftermarket one installed that meets this new Canadian standard and then you're in the clear? I mean the DRL are a quick fix and it sounds like the immobilizer is also a quick and easy fix. So why is the immobilizer being used as the excuse to keep these cars inadmissable when the OTHER items (I've heard child seat anchors, bumpers, etc. depending on the vehicle) can just be modified in the 45 day window? Any insight you can provide would be most helpful. Thanks.

[the Bez]

To those who have managed to find a dealer willing to sell to you, are able to get close to Invoice price or are you stuck paying MSRP?? I would like to think that the US dealers would negotiate with you no differently than if you were a US citizen but my guess is that once they know you're Canadian, if they're still talking to you, they won't budge off of the MSRP or might even quote you HIGHER than MSRP.

Just curious about people's experiences........thanks alot

[drwzer]

I know the CBSA officer circled the stamp on the MSO.... means that they probably do look for this.

I'm not talking about skipping the border stop, just the process of registering the vehicle in the states before bringing it across the border. I'm just wondering if other people have done this: ie: skipped the registering of vehicle in US and headed for the border (after 3 day wait). Dealers in NY were going to register vehicle for me so impossible to avoid the whole titling process and paying the sales tax.

[crasher]

I have my story about that lady at Lewiston. I was there exactly @ 4:00, all exhausted from driving from NC, had taken evening flight from TO, and were driving slowly, as they were new cars.
She sent us back!!! There was another guy, who even offered her $50:twisted:

[Dreyfus]

I asked a grizzled veteran of the auto brokerage business in Canada for his take on the brokers who are now entirely focused on the import trade. He deals in car carrier lots and picks his spots as to where to sell (new car dealers, used dealers, auctions, acquaintances). It can take over 90 days to profitably dispose of a load. He is of the opinion that the next 120 days is a very risky time to be holding inventory. He sees new and used car pricing declining markedly over the next 120 days. He says that his own opinion of the market is the consensus in the broker community. I see evidence that car dealership inventories are lower than they have been in years, is this a local thing or have others noticed what changes there are in dealership inventory. I am talking physically on the lots new and used. If the dealers are thinly stocked they expect price decreases and if they are loaded to the gunwales they expect prices to hold.

[Animeka]

I'm talking to a dealer in Plattsburgh, Bill McBride Subaru. I got a quote for an Outback 2.5i

LEG 2.5I-O/B WAGON-AUTO
ARMREST EXTENSION
AUTO DIM MIRROR/COMPASS
REAR CARGO NET
BUMPER MOLDING
REAR GATE BAR
FLOOR MATS ALL WEATHER
RUB STRIPS (ON ROOF OF CAR UNDER LUGGAGE RACK)


BEST PRICE
$24581. INVOICE
600 PROFIT
______
$25181.
-1500 CASH REBATE
_______
$23681. THATS WHAT YOU PAY FOR THE CAR
+350 PROCESSING FEES
_______
$24031.

What does that sound like? :)

Marc

[jwstewart]

It would seem to me that US Honda's and Canadian Honda's must have physically different immobilizer's, if one meets spec and the other doesn't.

At least according to Honda's logic(lies).

Would it not therefore follow that the VIN would be different to specify the country of compliance ?

Because, Honda has stated (to Transport Canada) that their US and CDN verhicles have a physical difference, must'nt Honda also be responsible for enabling Transport Canada to differentiate between these vehicles ?

Because, what is to prevent Honda itself from delivering the Un-compliant vehicles within Canada ?

I suggest a Freedom of Information Act request to Transport Canada is in order, to find out what Honda has said will be the method for determining compliancy of it's vehicles in Canada ?

A simple statement from Honda to TC showing different Immobilizer part numbers must exist, no?

I got $200 I can paypal to any lawyer familiar with the FIA process to start the ball rolling.

[Dreyfus]

Here is a link to US CBP.
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/export/export_docs/motor_vehicle.xml

[scrolllock]

Hi - long time reader, first time poster. Great, great thread and I am planning to import a car shortly but I'm still figuring out what vehicle to buy. I have been loyal to Honda and Toyota for so long that it's hard to change, but I'm pissed off about their tactics enough that I'm considering a Subaru, even though I have no experience with them - biggest concerns for me are 1. Reliability and 2. Fuel Economy.

I apologize if this question has already been asked but this immobilizer issue is confusing to me. I thought that a person had 45 days to get whatever mod's are required done to make it compliant with Canadian standards. Why doesn't this include the immobilizer? Can you not get an aftermarket one installed that meets this new Canadian standard and then you're in the clear? I mean the DRL are a quick fix and it sounds like the immobilizer is also a quick and easy fix. So why is the immobilizer being used as the excuse to keep these cars inadmissable when the OTHER items (I've heard child seat anchors, bumpers, etc. depending on the vehicle) can just be modified in the 45 day window? Any insight you can provide would be most helpful. Thanks.

Great question. I am told Honda has stated that if you install a third party immobilizer the warranty is no good and they will not guarantee that the car meet safety standards.

The 3rd party manufacturers say this is hogwash... it is like taking out the radio and upgrading ( unless it is a volks or 2008 honda)

Transport Canada maintaind that this is the perogative of the manufacturer and they don't have to give a reason why?

[newlegacyowner]

I did at Burlington Subaru. They don't give the best price but they take care of physically sending someone at the border with the proper papers 72 hours in advance.

Darn right not best price. And they charge you 350$ for the "sending someone to the border".

I saved over 1200$ buying from Xan in Manchester.

[scrolllock]

It would seem to me that US Honda's and Canadian Honda's must have physically different immobilizer's, if one meets spec and the other doesn't.

At least according to Honda's logic(lies).

Would it not therefore follow that the VIN would be different to specify the country of compliance ?

Because, Honda has stated (to Transport Canada) that their US and CDN verhicles have a physical difference, must'nt Honda also be responsible for enabling Transport Canada to differentiate between these vehicles ?

I am told that the parts are the same... only difference is either shielding or where they attach the unit???

Because, what is to prevent Honda itself from delivering the Un-compliant vehicles within Canada ?

I suggest a Freedom of Information Act request to Transport Canada is in order, to find out what Honda has said will be the method for determining compliancy of it's vehicles in Canada ?

A simple statement from Honda to TC showing different Immobilizer part numbers must exist, no?

I got $200 I can paypal to any lawyer familiar with the FIA process to start the ball rolling.

You can only tell the market from a sticker inside the door. A flimsy sticker that could easily be removed and reproduced to say something different.

another thing u might consider... maybe the immobilizers that are sold in the Canadian Market doen't meet spec!

[longdong]

More conservative , I think you can get the same car from Manchester Subaru with at least 1000$ less --> 1500$ less


I'm talking to a dealer in Plattsburgh, Bill McBride Subaru. I got a quote for an Outback 2.5i

LEG 2.5I-O/B WAGON-AUTO
ARMREST EXTENSION
AUTO DIM MIRROR/COMPASS
REAR CARGO NET
BUMPER MOLDING
REAR GATE BAR
FLOOR MATS ALL WEATHER
RUB STRIPS (ON ROOF OF CAR UNDER LUGGAGE RACK)


BEST PRICE
$24581. INVOICE
600 PROFIT
______
$25181.
-1500 CASH REBATE
_______
$23681. THATS WHAT YOU PAY FOR THE CAR
+350 PROCESSING FEES
_______
$24031.

What does that sound like? :)

Marc

[Dreyfus]

It would seem to me that US Honda's and Canadian Honda's must have physically different immobilizer's, if one meets spec and the other doesnt............................................ .............................
I suggest a Freedom of Information Act request to Transport Canada is in order, to find out what Honda has said will be the method for determining compliancy of it's vehicles in Canada ?

A simple statement from Honda to TC showing different Immobilizer part numbers must exist, no?

I got $200 I can paypal to any lawyer familiar with the FIA process to start the ball rolling.

Brilliant idea. In the present circumstances the cards are stacked against you. The response would be redacted to the degree where it would be useless. Canada's new Gov't has a reputation for anal retentiveness. Repeated court challenges would be required to get a useful reply and only very large organizations with deep pockets and the prospect of a ROI would risk going through the 2 to 3 year process required for meaningful results. CBC would be a candidate the rest of the media are beholden to the manufacturers and would not risk impeding their cash flow.
There is nothing wrong with making the request but do not waste money on it or expect a meaningful response. You could try to touch bases with michaelgeist.com and see if he has a student who could steer you in the right direction.

[scouzi]

Darn right not best price. And they charge you 350$ for the "sending someone to the border".

I saved over 1200$ buying from Xan in Manchester.

In my case there was about $500 diff between them and Manchester. To me it was worth it since the Vermont border crossing requires a physical delivery of the title - at least that what they say the rules are when you call.

They also gave me free window etching for what it's worth.

How did you get your info to the US border? Was it faxed, courried or manually delivered? Wich border crossing did you use?

[st7860]

A simple statement from Honda to TC showing different Immobilizer part numbers must exist, no?

I got $200 I can paypal to any lawyer familiar with the FIA process to start the ball rolling.

+1, I fully agree. I furthermore and solemly swear that anyone who thinks someone trying to contribute $200 to help is not useful, is a doofus. an FIA is a good idea.

[Bullseye]

I'm talking to a dealer in Plattsburgh, Bill McBride Subaru. I got a quote for an Outback 2.5i

LEG 2.5I-O/B WAGON-AUTO
ARMREST EXTENSION
AUTO DIM MIRROR/COMPASS
REAR CARGO NET
BUMPER MOLDING
REAR GATE BAR
FLOOR MATS ALL WEATHER
RUB STRIPS (ON ROOF OF CAR UNDER LUGGAGE RACK)


BEST PRICE
$24581. INVOICE
600 PROFIT
______
$25181.
-1500 CASH REBATE
_______
$23681. THATS WHAT YOU PAY FOR THE CAR
+350 PROCESSING FEES
_______
$24031.

What does that sound like? :)

Marc

Not very good. I bought the identical vehicle (less arm extension) at Van Bortel for $22,600. That's when the rebate was $1,000, looks like it's $1,500 now, so it's almost $2k cheaper there.

[bluemule999]

I have been given a price of $28,900 for a new 2008 Legacy GT limited, automatic transmission and VDC. I would appreciate your thoughts on if this is a good price.

Thank you and great thread!!!

[the Bez]

It would seem to me that US Honda's and Canadian Honda's must have physically different immobilizer's, if one meets spec and the other doesn't.

At least according to Honda's logic(lies).

Would it not therefore follow that the VIN would be different to specify the country of compliance ?

Because, Honda has stated (to Transport Canada) that their US and CDN verhicles have a physical difference, must'nt Honda also be responsible for enabling Transport Canada to differentiate between these vehicles ?

Because, what is to prevent Honda itself from delivering the Un-compliant vehicles within Canada ?

I suggest a Freedom of Information Act request to Transport Canada is in order, to find out what Honda has said will be the method for determining compliancy of it's vehicles in Canada ?

A simple statement from Honda to TC showing different Immobilizer part numbers must exist, no?

I got $200 I can paypal to any lawyer familiar with the FIA process to start the ball rolling.

It seems that the immobilizers installed in the vehicles have not changed from 2007 to 2008 but rather it's the Canadian spec/requirements that have changed. Not sure what the changes are or why they were made or at whose insistence but this is causing ALOT of confusion - which is exactly what the automakers want.

[Lost Horizon]

Hi - long time reader, first time poster. Great, great thread and I am planning to import a car shortly but I'm still figuring out what vehicle to buy. I have been loyal to Honda and Toyota for so long that it's hard to change, but I'm pissed off about their tactics enough that I'm considering a Subaru, even though I have no experience with them - biggest concerns for me are 1. Reliability and 2. Fuel Economy.



In the reliability and satisfaction arena, Subaru's are ranked above Honda (Legacy compared to an Accord). We have done the same thing.. switched form 15 years of Honda's to our very first Subaru... I love it. On gas mileage, the honda was a bit better, but then the Honda is not an all wheel drive. The Subaru, on the other hand, better than my BMW 335..

Honda Accord ranking (http://www.autosite.com/content/research/vir/index.cfm/vehicle_number_int/1023131/Action/Reliability)

Subaru Legacy Ranking (http://www.autosite.com/content/research/vir/index.cfm/vehicle_number_int/1021762/Action/Reliability)

[accorder]

I have received an inquiry for such service in Vancouver area. thanks

[diigii]

I was at Costco on Kirkham Rd, Markham Rd/Hwy 14 intersection. I saw this black 2008 Subaru Tribeca. Parked beside it. As I got out to walk to Costco, I looked at the rear plate, and true to what I assumed, it had Van Bortel plate frames. NICE CAR!!! CONGRATULATIONS to whoever you are!

[sockhead]

Hi guys, I'm located in Montreal... interested in purchasing a BMW 335xi coupe in the US. I've already tried a few places in Vermont and Philly, and no piece. As soon as I mention that I'm Canadian, the deal falls through. Does anyone know any dealers that will readily sell to Canadians, preferably within a few hours of Montreal? Please PM me if confidentiality is an issue. Also, are there any "loopholes" or proven methods that I can bring up with the dealers in order to coax them to sell to me? Thanks so much!

[diigii]

In the reliability and satisfaction arena, Subaru's are ranked above Honda (Legacy compared to an Accord). We have done the same thing.. switched form 15 years of Honda's to our very first Subaru... I love it. On gas mileage, the honda was a bit better, but then the Honda is not an all wheel drive. The Subaru, on the other hand, better than my BMW 335..

Honda Accord ranking (http://www.autosite.com/content/research/vir/index.cfm/vehicle_number_int/1023131/Action/Reliability)

Subaru Legacy Ranking (http://www.autosite.com/content/research/vir/index.cfm/vehicle_number_int/1021762/Action/Reliability)

We should not insult Honda anymore. :D After all, they still couldn't get a win in Formula One after they got cocky in the early 90's and left arrogantly. This is one of the reasons why Canadians are being gouged so they can pay for their budget, a losing season as can be expected every year. No wonder their cars are suffering from reliability issues. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[diigii]

all i can say they can stuff those right back up their ass. US Pricing?
I called them now and the price is not even close to the american price.

They are behaving just like BMW. 1500 or 3000 won't make a dent in a price that is higer by 40-50 percent than the US price.

bunch of morons.

We could bug the crap out of them by accusing them of false advertising. That's against the law, right? Although it can be hard to prosecute, it's easy to embarrass them by calling the press to take a look at them. :twisted:

[sockhead]

Hi guys, I'm located in Montreal... interested in purchasing a BMW 335xi coupe in the US. I've already tried a few places in Vermont and Philly, and no piece. As soon as I mention that I'm Canadian, the deal falls through. Does anyone know any dealers that will readily sell to Canadians, preferably within a few hours of Montreal? Please PM me if confidentiality is an issue. Also, are there any "loopholes" or proven methods that I can bring up with the dealers in order to coax them to sell to me? Thanks so much!

Oh just to add-on, I do have some relatives in Philly, so if there's anything that could be done to include them...

[accorder]

Oh just to add-on, I do have some relatives in Philly, so if there's anything that could be done to include them...

your relatives could buy the car and then sell you as an 'used car'. you might have to pay whatever U.S. tax. also you must make sure the dealer could send out the clearance letter for the 'used' car.

[Snocow]

I have been talking with Toyota dealers for a couple of weeks now. Been looking at a 2008 Camry SE with Moonroof / Alloy Wheels and Upgraded JBL Stereo.

Seem to be settling around $22,700 + 299 doc fee.

It seems that Toyota is laying down the law re selling to Canadians. Three dealers I had been dealing with advised today that they cannot sell to me.

I have 2 dealers left that still say they can sell to me, I'll be trying to close the deal tomorrow.

[sheriffabc]

Try Gus at Fitzmall - the call is free too, prices great, service greater,

1-888- 670-4800. I did and saved over $1200 as compared to Van Bortel and $1400 vs West Herr.



US dealer prices vary a fair bit! I called one Subie dealer near the US border and he would go no less than $23,800 for the 2.5i auto Outback but 200 miles further South and the Subie dealers there would go to $22,500 for the same car. (prices include the $1500 rebate)

The guy near the border flat out told me that he could sell the car for 25k to a Canadian, who would be still saving 1000's, so he wouldn't go lower and then told me I should drive South to get the better deal because his dealership won't sell for less than that as they can barely keep them in stock at that price - especially the Tribeca's (obviously aren't 25k).

He was upfront about it and wasn't put out when I told him what the other dealers were selling them for. So YMMV with dealers!!! Go SOUTH for the deals!

[diigii]

This is from Global TV's website. CONGRATULATIONS TO THOSE CANADIANS WHO STOOD UP TO WHO'VE SAID ENOUGH IS ENOUGH AND LET THEIR OPINIONS BE KNOWN TO THE AUTOMAKERS' CANADIAN SUBSIDIARIES! THOSE ARE DOLLAR$$$ NOT COMING TO THESE GOUGERS ANYMORE! I LOVE IT!!! :cheesygri

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=8bd18f94-38ff-411c-819e-505202bab455&k=70076

Cross-border car shopping in overdrive
Nicolas Van Praet, Financial Post
Published: Thursday, November 08, 2007

The number of vehicles being bought in the United States by Canadians has exploded since the loonie shot even with the U.S. dollar, new figures show, even as a growing number of carmakers here dangle cash goodies to buyers to prevent cross-border shopping.

Canadians imported 24,873 vehicles north in October alone, according to figures provided this week by the North American Automobile Trade Association, a trade group of vehicle importers and exporters. That's a 68% increase from September, when the loonie matched the greenback for the first time since 1976.

Last year marked the first time more than 100,000 vehicles headed north. This year, imports have already surpassed 136,000 units and are on pace to hit a new record of 164,000.

"I suspect there is an added psychological boost in having a dollar that trades at par," said Brian Osler, president of NAATA. "After rounding or approximating numbers, consumers probably feel a little more confident in comparing prices." His comments came Thursday as the Canadian dollar lost some ground, sliding to US$1.068 after piercing past US$1.10 Wednesday.

In the context of the overall Canadian auto industry and based on 2006 results, this year's record imports would represent barely 4% of all new and used vehicles sold nationwide. It's clear, therefore, that the vast majority of Canadians are still buying at home, unwilling to go through any hassle and content with the deals they're getting locally.

The best cross-border deals to be had, based strictly on list prices, are for luxury vehicles. Sports cars can sell for $14,000 more in Canada than in the United States. It's not surprising then, that Porsche dealers in Canada were among the first to express their outrage at losing customers to U.S. dealers. In late September, Porsche dropped its prices on new models by an average of 8% in response.

But the perception that consumers are being somehow ripped off by car manufacturers and other companies in Canada has become a wider public issue. Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Finance Minister Jim Flaherty have called on Canadian retailers to lower prices in the face of the soaring dollar. That has ratcheted up the pressure on car companies and their dealers to act in a more obvious way, even though many were already offering attractive incentives and better lease and financing deals than their U.S. peers.

Chrysler Canada, BMW Canada, and Mercedes-Benz Canada Inc. are all among the automakers that have offered extra cash sweeteners to buyers in the past month. General Motors of Canada Ltd., the country's biggest automaker, joined them yesterday, announcing it will offer new cash incentives of between $1,500 and $10,000 on select vehicles including heavy-duty pickup trucks and 2008 Saab models.

"This is really getting on the radar screen for all the manufacturers," said Chris Travell, vice-president of Maritz Automotive Research. "It's not just a flash in the pan. The product planners and so on are looking at their cost structure to see how they're going to respond."

Some dealers specializing in cross-border sales, as well as some buyers, are livid over new federal safety standards that came into effect Sept. 1 requiring all new passenger vehicles imported into Canada to have an approved anti-theft immobilization system. Confusion over the new regulation and which cars meet the standard has resulted in a number of popular vehicles being tagged "inadmissible" for use here by Transport Canada.

[sheriffabc]

Great Avatar diigii!! Thanks for all your help!


We could bug the crap out of them by accusing them of false advertising. That's against the law, right? Although it can be hard to prosecute, it's easy to embarrass them by calling the press to take a look at them. :twisted:

[diigii]

Great Avatar diigii!! Thanks for all your help!

Thanks!!! You love it, eh? It took me about 15 mins and a lot of takes from my digital camera to get the perfect light. This was taken after I waxed the car, one week after I took my car home.

How's your new car?? Take it easy on that new car smell! :D

[PaulieScatone]

I just heard that Acura MDX 2007 can be purchased for $11,000 off list. And 2008 $9,000 off list. Canadian. True? I can't find supporting data online for this.

Once again, the price reductions come close but definitely not close enough. The savings on an Acura MDX are at least $15,000. So even with a $9,000 price reduction, there is still a $6,000 gap.

Check this post out to see how someone saved big time on a 2008 Acura MDX

http://borderdeals.ca/2007/11/04/my-border-purcahse2008-acura-mdx/

The above person purchased before the vehicle showed up on the inadmissible column. Now there is no way getting a 2008 MDX through RIV since they placed it on the inadmissible column.

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

I wrote them on Monday :) good thing they keep on writing, too bad he did not expose those "Sweeteners" as sour pills of doodoo droppings that don't put a dent into the price discrepancy between the two countries.


This is from Global TV's website. CONGRATULATIONS TO THOSE CANADIANS WHO STOOD UP TO WHO'VE SAID ENOUGH IS ENOUGH AND LET THEIR OPINIONS BE KNOWN TO THE AUTOMAKERS' CANADIAN SUBSIDIARIES! THOSE ARE DOLLAR$$$ NOT COMING TO THESE GOUGERS ANYMORE! I LOVE IT!!! :cheesygri

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=8bd18f94-38ff-411c-819e-505202bab455&k=70076

Cross-border car shopping in overdrive
Nicolas Van Praet, Financial Post
Published: Thursday, November 08, 2007

The number of vehicles being bought in the United States by Canadians has exploded since the loonie shot even with the U.S. dollar, new figures show, even as a growing number of carmakers here dangle cash goodies to buyers to prevent cross-border shopping.

Canadians imported 24,873 vehicles north in October alone, according to figures provided this week by the North American Automobile Trade Association, a trade group of vehicle importers and exporters. That's a 68% increase from September, when the loonie matched the greenback for the first time since 1976.

Last year marked the first time more than 100,000 vehicles headed north. This year, imports have already surpassed 136,000 units and are on pace to hit a new record of 164,000.

"I suspect there is an added psychological boost in having a dollar that trades at par," said Brian Osler, president of NAATA. "After rounding or approximating numbers, consumers probably feel a little more confident in comparing prices." His comments came Thursday as the Canadian dollar lost some ground, sliding to US$1.068 after piercing past US$1.10 Wednesday.

In the context of the overall Canadian auto industry and based on 2006 results, this year's record imports would represent barely 4% of all new and used vehicles sold nationwide. It's clear, therefore, that the vast majority of Canadians are still buying at home, unwilling to go through any hassle and content with the deals they're getting locally.

The best cross-border deals to be had, based strictly on list prices, are for luxury vehicles. Sports cars can sell for $14,000 more in Canada than in the United States. It's not surprising then, that Porsche dealers in Canada were among the first to express their outrage at losing customers to U.S. dealers. In late September, Porsche dropped its prices on new models by an average of 8% in response.

But the perception that consumers are being somehow ripped off by car manufacturers and other companies in Canada has become a wider public issue. Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Finance Minister Jim Flaherty have called on Canadian retailers to lower prices in the face of the soaring dollar. That has ratcheted up the pressure on car companies and their dealers to act in a more obvious way, even though many were already offering attractive incentives and better lease and financing deals than their U.S. peers.

Chrysler Canada, BMW Canada, and Mercedes-Benz Canada Inc. are all among the automakers that have offered extra cash sweeteners to buyers in the past month. General Motors of Canada Ltd., the country's biggest automaker, joined them yesterday, announcing it will offer new cash incentives of between $1,500 and $10,000 on select vehicles including heavy-duty pickup trucks and 2008 Saab models.

"This is really getting on the radar screen for all the manufacturers," said Chris Travell, vice-president of Maritz Automotive Research. "It's not just a flash in the pan. The product planners and so on are looking at their cost structure to see how they're going to respond."

Some dealers specializing in cross-border sales, as well as some buyers, are livid over new federal safety standards that came into effect Sept. 1 requiring all new passenger vehicles imported into Canada to have an approved anti-theft immobilization system. Confusion over the new regulation and which cars meet the standard has resulted in a number of popular vehicles being tagged "inadmissible" for use here by Transport Canada.

[bobbob911]

Hi guys,

I've read most of the thread and I still have many questions. I apologize for the quantity of them, I'm sure a couple were answered in here somewhere :)

1)Does Nissan currently issue recall letters without much hassle? What is needed besides the VIN to acquire one? How long does it typically take to get one issued? Would I get the letter from Nissan Canada or Nissan USA?

2)Can I avoid paying state sales tax in Ohio? If so, is there a form or a website that I can print out and show the dealer in case they are not aware of this? If they don't believe it is it possible to apply for a tax refund at the border?

3)What plates do I use for the car in the US? When do I change them to Canadian plates? Is this done at the border? (either at US customs or Canadian customs)

4)How do I get the car insured while it is in the US? When I purchase the car is it immediately registered to myself at a Canadian address, or is this final registration done at the border?

5)Exactly what documentation needs to be submitted to US customs 72 hrs beforehand? Does this need to be submitted in person? Can this be done before the car is purchased or does this requirement effectively mean two trips to the US (or one 72 hr stay)

Thanks a lot!

[accorder]

This is from Global TV's website. CONGRATULATIONS TO THOSE CANADIANS WHO STOOD UP TO WHO'VE SAID ENOUGH IS ENOUGH AND LET THEIR OPINIONS BE KNOWN TO THE AUTOMAKERS' CANADIAN SUBSIDIARIES! THOSE ARE DOLLAR$$$ NOT COMING TO THESE GOUGERS ANYMORE! I LOVE IT!!! :cheesygri

Some dealers specializing in cross-border sales, as well as some buyers, are livid over new federal safety standards that came into effect Sept. 1 requiring all new passenger vehicles imported into Canada to have an approved anti-theft immobilization system. Confusion over the new regulation and which cars meet the standard has resulted in a number of popular vehicles being tagged "inadmissible" for use here by Transport Canada.

Great news!! thanks for sharing

[dsds]

When I crossed this morning, the Canadian Border Services agents were all young HOTTIES !!!

Might have been good timing, but damn, that sure helps reduce the stress when you're waiting for them to triple check the latest RIV list.

Also, two young guys didn't declare a trailer. Didn't hear the details but the agent turned serious very fast (still hot however), called in other agents, and had the guys empty their pockets and get ready for a search. These two are #%@ royally. Declare or enter a world of pain and legal fees.

[endura]

I was going to buy in the states but ended up buying local.

07 Ridgeline EX-L almost $6000 off list price and I took the 0.9%/4yrs lease rate. I'm content with this as I almost bought this exact vehicle last year and would have been over $10K in the hole if I had.

[the Bez]

In the reliability and satisfaction arena, Subaru's are ranked above Honda (Legacy compared to an Accord). We have done the same thing.. switched form 15 years of Honda's to our very first Subaru... I love it. On gas mileage, the honda was a bit better, but then the Honda is not an all wheel drive. The Subaru, on the other hand, better than my BMW 335..

Honda Accord ranking (http://www.autosite.com/content/research/vir/index.cfm/vehicle_number_int/1023131/Action/Reliability)

Subaru Legacy Ranking (http://www.autosite.com/content/research/vir/index.cfm/vehicle_number_int/1021762/Action/Reliability)


Thanks for the info LH, much appreciated. It's a big change and I want to be sure before I make it. This info will definitely help with my decision, thanks again.

[Rehan]

I was going to buy in the states but ended up buying local.

07 Ridgeline EX-L almost $6000 off list price and I took the 0.9%/4yrs lease rate. I'm content with this as I almost bought this exact vehicle last year and would have been over $10K in the hole if I had. South of the border, the 2008 Ridgeline RTL sells for CA$27k ($13k less than in Canada?). But considering 1) the sales and warranty restrictions Honda has put in place, 2) your choice of leasing instead of buying, and 3) the great rate you got...I can see why you chose to get it locally.

Too bad it's mostly on 2007 models that many of the manufacturers are offering the "incentives". Wouldn't the discounts be almost as much for these year-old vehicles even if they weren't claiming to compete with US prices?

[CheapScotsman]

I was going to buy in the states but ended up buying local.

07 Ridgeline EX-L almost $6000 off list price and I took the 0.9%/4yrs lease rate. I'm content with this as I almost bought this exact vehicle last year and would have been over $10K in the hole if I had.Hmmm, … so according to Honda’s Canadian Website

You got a ridgeline ex-l for
$40,520 MSRP
$1,540 delivery
$42,060 total
$36,060 (your $6000 off MSRP)
$40747 Your Deal if you had paid cash


But your financed it so according to their financial calculator

$7,381.56 Paid on delivery
$20523.36 Paid monthly over 48 months
$19044.4 Paid at the end
$46949.32 Total Payments


And at the Honda US site

US$28,635 or CDN$26,600 The ridgeline Base Model
US$35720 or CDN$33,182 The ridgeline top of the line model (Sat Nav)


And you are content with this ??? ... alrighty then.

[bug]

Anyone thinking of buying a 2008 Honda or Toyota in the US better read this story: http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=25c96de8-4d39-446f-a3ad-7cdfc65d7e46

It appears that Honda and Toyota are trying to put a stop to cross border car shopping.


Lamb bought his car Oct. 2 at a U.S. dealer for $21,145 U.S. - a net saving of about $5,500 Canadian compared with dealer prices north of the border.

Weeks later, on Oct. 29, he got a nasty surprise: His Civic was declared by federal authorities as inadmissible to Canada, apparently on Honda's instructions.

Other 2008 Honda and Toyota passenger cars have also been declared inadmissible:

By Toyota, 2008 models of the Yaris Hatchback, Corolla, Prius and Matrix.

By Honda, all of its 2008 passenger cars other than the 2008 Acura TSX, TL, RL and Honda S2000.

[Rehan]

But your financed it so according to their financial calculator

$7,381.56 Paid on delivery
$20523.36 Paid monthly over 48 months
$19044.4 Paid at the end
$46949.32 Total Payments $6000 of that "Paid on delivery" amount is his discount, so you should take that out of the Total Payments. So it's about $41k....

If he had bought in the US and financed it through a local bank:
$27500 -- 2008 Ridgeline RTL + delivery fee (according to carsdirect.com)
$2200 -- 8% state tax (because a US resident would have to buy it and register it first)
$1650 -- 6% GST
$2200 -- 8% Ontario PST
$500 -- various costs to import
$34050 -- Total cost

Finance that $34k at 8% over 48 months, and you're looking at $818 per month. Total payments over 48 months: $39264. That's a saving of only $2k, and there's no warranty on the imported Honda. Not really worth it.

[CheapScotsman]

$6000 of that "Paid on delivery" amount is his discount, so you should take that out of the Total Payments. So it's about $41k....

If he had bought in the US and financed it through a local bank:
$27500 -- 2008 Ridgeline RTL + delivery fee (according to carsdirect.com)
$2200 -- 8% state tax (because a US resident would have to buy it and register it first)
$1650 -- 6% GST
$2200 -- 8% Ontario PST
$500 -- various costs to import
$34050 -- Total cost

Finance that $34k at 8% over 48 months, and you're looking at $818 per month. Total payments over 48 months: $39264. That's a saving of only $2k, and there's no warranty on the imported Honda. Not really worth it.I already factored the 6k discount by making a downpayment. The resultant numbers are what was left.

[Rehan]

I already factored the 6k discount by making a downpayment. The resultant numbers are what was left. But on their calculator the down payment gets lumped into the "Paid on delivery" amount.

[CheapScotsman]

So I reran it again ... and you are right. Total least payments would be about $41,200 ... and you are right again if you have to finance it

[Animeka]

Darn right not best price. And they charge you 350$ for the "sending someone to the border".

I saved over 1200$ buying from Xan in Manchester.

He's charging 350$ but he does all the legwork, bringing papers to the US border etc... I dont even have to meet him until I pickup the car (If I choose to not see the car before buying lol)

I thought 350$ was worth it to not have to go to the US twice and do all this back and forth.

Marc

[reddy54]

He's charging 350$ but he does all the legwork, bringing papers to the US border etc... I dont even have to meet him until I pickup the car (If I choose to not see the car before buying lol)

I thought 350$ was worth it to not have to go to the US twice and do all this back and forth.

Marc

Not a bad profit margin. Charge $350 to send papers to border by FEDEX which charges him $25 at the most.
A bit of advice ---do not go into business for yourself

[newlegacyowner]

In my case there was about $500 diff between them and Manchester. To me it was worth it since the Vermont border crossing requires a physical delivery of the title - at least that what they say the rules are when you call.

They also gave me free window etching for what it's worth.

How did you get your info to the US border? Was it faxed, courried or manually delivered? Wich border crossing did you use?

Xan overnighted me the forms, which i then took to the US border @ Lacolle/Champlain (close) then I drove to Manchester taking the border crossing at Rock Island highway 55, and then drove back up the 89/87 to lacolle. No problems and pretty to drive too. 500$ is 50$ an hour for your trouble. Worth it in my case.

[scouzi]

He's charging 350$ but he does all the legwork, bringing papers to the US border etc... I dont even have to meet him until I pickup the car (If I choose to not see the car before buying lol)

I thought 350$ was worth it to not have to go to the US twice and do all this back and forth.

Marc


As for me , I don't really know how much Burlington Subaru "charged" me .I asked for an all inclusive price from everyone.

I knew that the Tribeca had been sitting there for a few months.

For me also, if the charge was $350 and I'm already saving $18k, an extra $350 for a single trip is well worth it.


Just an extra 3 hour south is 6 hours more for the round trip.

To me $350 to save 6 hours driving (on top of the 5) is a no brainer. But to each is own.

[scouzi]

Not a bad profit margin. Charge $350 to send papers to border by FEDEX which charges him $25 at the most.
A bit of advice ---do not go into business for yourself

It wasn't FEDEX. Vermont border crossings do not accept faxes or courrier or mail. The paperwork has to be brought in by a person related to the deal (ie dealership or buying party). That's the answer you get when you call.

Call for yourself for information.

PS - I am in business. An extra day of work is worth more than $350.

[newlegacyowner]

As for me , I don't really know how much Burlington Subaru "charged" me .I asked for an all inclusive price from everyone.

I knew that the Tribeca had been sitting there for a few months.

For me also, if the charge was $350 and I'm already saving $18k, an extra $350 for a single trip is well worth it.


Just an extra 3 hour south is 6 hours more for the round trip.

To me $350 to save 6 hours driving (on top of the 5) is a no brainer. But to each is own.

What 6 hours driving are you talking about? You live in Montreal no? Thats 1 hour max to the border! So the 2 extra hours means 175$/Hr. Tell you what, have them fedex ME the papers, I'll take them for 300$! Thats probably a better business model!

[scouzi]

Xan overnighted me the forms, which i then took to the US border @ Lacolle/Champlain (close) then I drove to Manchester taking the border crossing at Rock Island highway 55, and then drove back up the 89/87 to lacolle. No problems and pretty to drive too. 500$ is 50$ an hour for your trouble. Worth it in my case.

Not worth it in my case. But I do understand your point.

Now if we could cross on weekends, I would have gone further south.

1 day off is all I wanted to take.

[newlegacyowner]

It wasn't FEDEX. Vermont border crossings do not accept faxes or courrier or mail. The paperwork has to be brought in by a person related to the deal (ie dealership or buying party). That's the answer you get when you call.

Call for yourself for information.

PS - I am in business. An extra day of work is worth more than $350.

The border is open till 10pm every night. I left home at 7:30pm and was back home at 9:20pm. No traffic, no lineups, and in fact I Didn't even have to cross the us border. i just parked at the canadian side and walked over to the US export office.

[scouzi]

What 6 hours driving are you talking about? You live in Montreal no? Thats 1 hour max to the border! So the 2 extra hours means 175$/Hr. Tell you what, have them fax ME the papers, I'll take them for 300$!


I live north of Montreal, so it's 1.5 hours to the border. It's 200km to Burlington. Of course in an ideal world where there is not traffic to cross the Island you're right. But since all this has to be done on weekdays, multiply by 2 . You know how long it can take to cross 2 bridges during the week.

Manchester is 500 km of where I live. It would take at least 14 hours round trip + the 4-6 hours for the paperwork 72 hrs in advance.

For me it's 18-20 hours total driving spanning 2 days or 4-6 hours spanning 1 day. The Manchester trip would have included my wife in a second vehicle.

Well worth $350 considering $18k savings.

[scouzi]

The border is open till 10pm every night. I left home at 7:30pm and was back home at 9:20pm. No traffic, no lineups, and in fact I Didn't even have to cross the us border. i just parked at the canadian side and walked over to the US export office.

Well I relied on the information I gathered when I called the broder. They said paperwork and stamp can only be done 8:00 am to 4:00 pm.

[newlegacyowner]

Not worth it in my case. But I do understand your point.

Now if we could cross on weekends, I would have gone further south.

1 day off is all I wanted to take.

Thats all I took. 1 Friday off.

[killbillvol1]

$6000 of that "Paid on delivery" amount is his discount, so you should take that out of the Total Payments. So it's about $41k....

If he had bought in the US and financed it through a local bank:
$27500 -- 2008 Ridgeline RTL + delivery fee (according to carsdirect.com)
$2200 -- 8% state tax (because a US resident would have to buy it and register it first)
$1650 -- 6% GST
$2200 -- 8% Ontario PST
$500 -- various costs to import
$34050 -- Total cost

Finance that $34k at 8% over 48 months, and you're looking at $818 per month. Total payments over 48 months: $39264. That's a saving of only $2k, and there's no warranty on the imported Honda. Not really worth it.

Not all the states make you pay state tax for out of state automotive buyers (I know I didn't). Also, if I read it correctly you were comparing buying a 2007 here vs a 2008 in the US. If you were getting a 2007, I think you could do a LOT better with the price.

[newlegacyowner]

I live north of Montreal, so it's 1.5 hours to the border. It's 200km to Burlington. Of course in an ideal world where there is not traffic to cross the Island you're right. But since all this has to be done on weekdays, multiply by 2 . You know how long it can take to cross 2 bridges during the week.

Manchester is 500 km of where I live. It would take at least 14 hours round trip + the 4-6 hours for the paperwork 72 hrs in advance.

For me it's 18-20 hours total driving spanning 2 days or 4-6 hours spanning 1 day. The Manchester trip would have included my wife in a second vehicle.

Well worth $350 considering $18k savings.

You are not calculating this correctly. The US export office is open till 10pm, so like you i didn't want to do the bridges during traffic. I left at 7:30pm from my home and was back in two hours.

The 350$ is just for the paperwork (the first trip to the border). If you had gotten a quote for the car from XAN, you would have saved over 1K for sure. In my case, 1200$ for an additional 5 hours of driving was worth it. Remember, we are trying to SAVE money here. I assume thats why you are reading this thread in the first place.

[longdong]

Don`t forget in US for 2007 Honda model, the US dealer offer a huge discount too. Just for Honda Odyssey 2007, you can get 5000$ off the list (on the car list MSRP of 26000$, so basically you can pay 21k US --> 22k US to get Honda Odyssey LX). Please compare orange with orange and apple with apple .. you get can discount in Canada, and in US no doubt you will get an equivalent discount or higher ..



Hmmm, … so according to Honda’s Canadian Website

You got a ridgeline ex-l for
$40,520 MSRP
$1,540 delivery
$42,060 total
$36,060 (your $6000 off MSRP)
$40747 Your Deal if you had paid cash


But your financed it so according to their financial calculator

$7,381.56 Paid on delivery
$20523.36 Paid monthly over 48 months
$19044.4 Paid at the end
$46949.32 Total Payments


And at the Honda US site

US$28,635 or CDN$26,600 The ridgeline Base Model
US$35720 or CDN$33,182 The ridgeline top of the line model (Sat Nav)


And you are content with this ??? ... alrighty then.

[longdong]

Don't count on carsdirect for the pricing .. the real price is sometime alot lower ...



Not all the states make you pay state tax for out of state automotive buyers (I know I didn't).

[Animeka]

Not a bad profit margin. Charge $350 to send papers to border by FEDEX which charges him $25 at the most.
A bit of advice ---do not go into business for yourself

Wow, some people on here have no manners... Keep your insight to yourself.

I thought you had to show up personally, not courrier the stuff. So to me, instead of driving down there, bring the paperwork over to customs, miss a day of work to do so, i figured it was worth it. If they can courrier it, yeah I guess it's expensive.

I assume there's more to the 350$ than that... I know it's a cash grab for them and since the savings is already huge, I dont really care at that point...

Marc

[Animeka]

As for me , I don't really know how much Burlington Subaru "charged" me .I asked for an all inclusive price from everyone.

I knew that the Tribeca had been sitting there for a few months.

For me also, if the charge was $350 and I'm already saving $18k, an extra $350 for a single trip is well worth it.


Just an extra 3 hour south is 6 hours more for the round trip.

To me $350 to save 6 hours driving (on top of the 5) is a no brainer. But to each is own.

My point exactly. Getting a better price 4 hours farther (Manchester) might not be such a great deal, considering the extra trouble and time required. Where did you Montreal guys buy from?

Marc

[newlegacyowner]

Wow, some people on here have no manners... Keep your insight to yourself.

I thought you had to show up personally, not courrier the stuff. So to me, instead of driving down there, bring the paperwork over to customs, miss a day of work to do so, i figured it was worth it. If they can courrier it, yeah I guess it's expensive.

I assume there's more to the 350$ than that... I know it's a cash grab for them and since the savings is already huge, I dont really care at that point...

Marc

If everyone kept their insight to themselves, this thread would not have existed and therefore you might not have saved your money, so its a fair comment.

[newlegacyowner]

My point exactly. Getting a better price 4 hours farther (Manchester) might not be such a great deal, considering the extra trouble and time required. Where did you Montreal guys buy from?

Marc

You are not just saving 350$, The 350$ is just the fee that Burlington Subaru is charging for the paperwork. Most cars are selling for 1000 or greater discount at Xan in Manchester.

[Animeka]

If everyone kept their insight to themselves, this thread would not have existed and therefore you might not have saved your money, so its a fair comment.

I was referring to his "Don't go into business for yourself" remark...

Marc

[vim]

Article about immobilizers:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20071109.RTHEFT09/TPStory/Business

[scouzi]

You are not calculating this correctly. The US export office is open till 10pm, so like you i didn't want to do the bridges during traffic. I left at 7:30pm from my home and was back in two hours.

The 350$ is just for the paperwork (the first trip to the border). If you had gotten a quote for the car from XAN, you would have saved over 1K for sure. In my case, 1200$ for an additional 5 hours of driving was worth it. Remember, we are trying to SAVE money here. I assume thats why you are reading this thread in the first place.

Listen, I TOLD you that Manchester quoted me a $400 difference (not my prefered color however) . To me it $400 wasn't worth it for an extra 600km of driving + the extra trip to the border. In fact, the best price I had was $700 cheaper in Stamford.

[scrolllock]

For those of you who have bought a car and now find it on the revised inadmissable list, I have a suggestion. Please PM me.

Why not just publish your solution. Some People are having a hard time disclosing they have a problem. PM me if you can't.

Thanks

[jafferk]

There are two negative articles relating to importing cars from the US in Today's Calgary Herald. I will be writing a letter to them over to their editorials section, and I encourage you to do the same. They will publish your letters. Their rules are:
Keep it to 250 words or less, 2 include your contact information, you may be edited, real names only letters@theherald.canwest.com

Good Luck, here's our chance to be heard by readers of the Calgary Herald.







Buying in U.S.
has pitfalls
Auto deals can often be costly
GEOFFREY SCOTTON
CALGARY HERALD
With the Canadian dollar continuing to overshadow its U.S. counterpart, some analysts are warning the sky-high loonie, and buying vehicles in the U.S. to take advantage of lower prices, may not do much good for consumers — or the economy — in Canada.


“It’s a mixed blessing,” said Bank of Montreal deputy chief economist Douglas Porter. “Any industry that has to compete with imports or tries to export into other markets has probably been shell-shocked by what’s unfolded in the last couple of months.”


While the loonie’s level means our currency is more valuable, the speed at which it has appreciated and the distance it has climbed — 22 cents US or 25 per cent so far in 2007 — is having a wrenching effect on industries, from manufacturing to retail and automotive.


Although it has declined from its modern-day high of more than $1.10 US earlier this week, the loonie closed at a still export-smothering $1.0684 US on Thursday.


In Alberta, automotive retailers, like their counterparts across Canada, have seen consumers heading across the border to purchase vehicles with lower sticker prices.

LOONIE: Automakers sweeten
deals in Canada
From page A1
However, these so-called cross-border deals are considerably less so when financing is required, and import fees and taxes are factored in.


In some cases, warranty validity can be an issue, as can the eligibility of certain vehicles to enter Canada in terms of meeting Canadian environmental and safety standards. (Information about this can be found on the website of the Alberta Motor Vehicle Industry Council at www.amvic.org.)


Some automakers have responded by banning the sale of U.S. vehicles to Canadians, unable because of market realities to raise U.S. prices or lower Canadian prices. A number of manufacturers, such as Chrysler Canada Inc. and Ford Motor Co. of Canada Ltd., are starting to lower Canadian prices or boost incentives. Manufacturers such as BMW Canada, Mercedes-Benz Canada and Porsche Cars Canada Ltd. have also sweetened their deals.


“The speed (of the dollar’s rise) in the last couple of months has just been breathtaking and I give retailers credit in that they’re trying to respond,” said the Bank of Montreal’s Porter.


Dealers, meanwhile, are put in a difficult situation.


“The reality of the situation is, one, we have no influence over currency and that’s of course what started a lot of this,” says Motor Dealers’ Association of Alberta president Bill Watkin. “The real issue lies with the manufacturers not taking action quickly enough to protect their franchised dealers. To me, that’s been the sad impact of this.”


Industry insiders argue automakers are somewhat hogtied when it comes to lowering prices here in Canada due to the ripple effect on used car values — if the value of new cars is greatly reduced, the value of millions of cars already belonging to Canadians is also reduced. And, impacting automakers to a potentially even greater extent are lease values, which the automakers guarantee. They also note many automakers, both Big Three and foreign nameplates, are net exporters from Canada and are already taking it on the chin from the soaring loonie.


The outlook for some manufacturing sectors, especially those closely linked to the weakening U.S. economy, are also cause for concern.


“Profits in Canada’s auto parts manufacturing industry are expected to decline by nearly 41 per cent to slightly more than $1 billion in 2007, due to a weak performance early in the year,” the Conference Board of Canada says.


“The strength of the Canadian dollar will erode profits for Canadian parts producers, as motor vehicle assemblers scale down auto exports in response to slowing U.S. demand,” it said, suggesting that will be partially offset by strong domestic growth in personal incomes and corporate profits, especially in Western Canada.


Exporters have been challenged since 2002 with a climbing currency that makes their goods more expensive abroad. By now, many of them are just hanging on, having whittled their margins to zero — and beyond. Their returns on U.S. purchases of their goods have declined 28 per cent this year alone.


“Exporters are doing it at a collapsing profit margin and as the dollar goes up, the collapse can even turn negative,” says Stephen Poloz, chief economist at Export Development Canada. “It is not sustainable. If it stays up a long time, then they will have to face their choice, either they try to boost their U.S. dollar price — and risk losing those customers — or find other ways to restore profit margins by globalizing.”


Economists emphasize that while the appreciation of the loonie is a reflection of strong Canadian fundamentals, the sharp rise and, indeed, the change in value itself is going to create dislocation as specific industries and the economy overall is forced to adjust. And a lot of that dislocation has yet to be seen, they warn. “The full implications haven’t worked their way through the economy,” says Warren Jestin, chief economist with the Bank of Nova Scotia.

Consumers cautioned on cross-border car deals
GEOFF KIRBYSON — Winnipeg Free Press, with files
from CanWest News Service
LFOR CANWEST NEWS SERVICE


WINNIPEG ower vehicle prices in the United States may tempt Canadians to make a run for the border, but buying a new or used car stateside is a lot more complicated than loading up on retail goods, warn industry experts.


Paul Timoteo, president of Armada Data Corp., parent to CarCostCanada.com, a vehicle pricing information provider, said researching a vehicle purchase involves more than just checking out the sticker prices.


“A lot of people will compare the retail price here and in the U.S. and say, ‘I’m saving five grand, let’s go to the States.’ But there could be a $5,000 rebate on that car in Canada,” he said.


Good deals in the U.S. are not as widespread as most people think, he said. “It’s not like buying a sweater down there and bringing it back.”


And those “deals” are increasingly difficult to find, especially with the numerous sales, deals and rebates that Canadian dealers and manufacturers have announced in recent days. As well, a number of American dealers are no longer selling to Canadians.


He said there are many other potential obstacles for Canadian car buyers. For example, some manufacturers will allow Canadian dealers to honour the warranties on U.S.-made vehicles, others, such as Honda and Acura, won’t.


“You’d have to drive the car back to the U.S. to get new warranty work done, “ he said, adding most manufacturers won’t honour roadside assistance once you take the car to Canada.


Then there’s the matter of paying for your new ride. Unbeknown to many Canadians, you can’t finance a car in the U.S. if you live in Canada. That reduces your payment options to cash, an unsecured line of credit or a line of credit secured against your residence.


“If the bank wants to use the car as collateral, you can’t buy the car until you get the loan and you can’t get the loan until you can give them the money. You’re in a bit of a catch-22. The banks won’t take a bill of sale for a car that’s not even legally in the country yet,” he said.


Michael Rawluk, general manager of Volvo Winnipeg, said you’ve also got to be wary of where your U.S.bought vehicle was made. For example, 85 per cent of Toyota Camrys for sale in North America are built here, but 15 per cent come from Japan. The former is free to bring across the border, the latter will cost you a 6.1 per cent duty.


“And it’s the same vehicle,” he said. “You’ve got to look at the vehicle identification number (on the car) and make sure where it was made.”


Other vehicles, such as the Volvo S80, have different features depending on which side of the border they were produced. In the U.S., the speedometer features only miles per hour, not kilometres. We all know roughly what the conversion is but you’ll need to get a new speedometer if you want to get the vehicle registered. “That’s another $2,000,” he said. Automotive consultant Dennis DesRosiers thinks too many people are making too big a deal about the cross-border price differences. He says it amounts to about $1,000 across two-thirds of the market.

[Rehan]

Don`t forget in US for 2007 Honda model, the US dealer offer a huge discount too. Just for Honda Odyssey 2007, you can get 5000$ off the list (on the car list MSRP of 26000$, so basically you can pay 21k US --> 22k US to get Honda Odyssey LX). Please compare orange with orange and apple with apple .. you get can discount in Canada, and in US no doubt you will get an equivalent discount or higher .. Yeah, it's 2008 vs. 2007... But carsdirect.com prices are close to what people in the Edmunds forums are reporting, and many 2007 vehicles are difficult to find now anyway.

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

South of the border, the 2008 Ridgeline RTL sells for CA$27k ($13k less than in Canada?). But considering 1) the sales and warranty restrictions Honda has put in place, 2) your choice of leasing instead of buying, and 3) the great rate you got...I can see why you chose to get it locally.

Too bad it's mostly on 2007 models that many of the manufacturers are offering the "incentives". Wouldn't the discounts be almost as much for these year-old vehicles even if they weren't claiming to compete with US prices?


BMW gives you a 1,500 on new vehicle incentive, but only if you purchase the damn car with cash :) that is not an incentive that is a slap in the face. lol

[longdong]

Hmmm .. looks like if you get the same car in US you will get more than 6000$ US discount on their price list for sure.


I was going to buy in the states but ended up buying local.

07 Ridgeline EX-L almost $6000 off list price and I took the 0.9%/4yrs lease rate. I'm content with this as I almost bought this exact vehicle last year and would have been over $10K in the hole if I had.

[sika]

Jets,

I need to find out (and not get screwed by Canada border officers) how the calculate the GST and then later the PST?

I have this example:
The Bill of sales shows $25000 US founds.
The GST in Canada will be paid on this basis founds 6% for $25000 US or they make the conversion for US to CAD there at the border?

The conversion as of today is $25000 US = $23255 CAD.
I will say they should consider TAX on the CAD amount of $23255 CAD , this means less money to pay on the TAX 6% GST (form $23255 CAD) =$1395 CAD comparing with TAX 6% GST (form $25000 US) =$1500 CAD


They are using same method or they are gouging us?

Thanks everyone!

[scouzi]

There are two negative articles relating to importing cars from the US in Today's Calgary Herald. I will be writing a letter to them over to their editorials section, and I encourage you to do the same. They will publish your letters. Their rules are:
Keep it to 250 words or less, 2 include your contact information, you may be edited, real names only letters@theherald.canwest.com

Good Luck, here's our chance to be heard by readers of the Calgary Herald.


“And it’s the same vehicle,” he said. “You’ve got to look at the vehicle identification number (on the car) and make sure where it was made.”


Other vehicles, such as the Volvo S80, have different features depending on which side of the border they were produced. In the U.S., the speedometer features only miles per hour, not kilometres. We all know roughly what the conversion is but you’ll need to get a new speedometer if you want to get the vehicle registered. “That’s another $2,000,” he said. Automotive consultant Dennis DesRosiers thinks too many people are making too big a deal about the cross-border price differences. He says it amounts to about $1,000 across two-thirds of the market.

I agree that the dollar has appreciated fast in the last few months and it's hard to repsond. But it took 18 months to get to 90 cents and they didn't budge. I find their argument about "residual values" pretyy funny. As if they care about Canadians.

Wow, how hard is it to look at the VIN?

Desrosiers seems to think that the dollar is till at 80 cents. What a sellout this guy is.

There are some cons to importing but the articles are not balanced. The National Post papers are rags anyways since the owners have a history of intefering with the content.

[longdong]

The real price comparing to carsdirect (2008 model) is somehow at least 1k or 2 k lower. For some manufactures like Nissan, you can get alot lower price from browsing the dealership in Maryland, Washington DC, Virginia (they post their e-price directly on their website, and alot lower than carsdirect)


Yeah, it's 2008 vs. 2007... But carsdirect.com prices are close to what people in the Edmunds forums are reporting, and many 2007 vehicles are difficult to find now anyway.

[lightbulb]

I Would first like to thank everyone on here for helping me out. Without this forum I would have been lost. This forum has saved me thousands :-). Thanks to everyone. Now for my story:


Btw, there is a lady at US customs who is not nice at all. I could use the B word but that wouldnt be nice of me now would it. She is so rude, she sent someone to the back of the line (i dont know why). People in the line were joking that she needed a date or something. Anyway beware of her, make sure you have everything in order or you might get bitten. The guy who was there was nice he even took a photocopy of a title that he couldnt find in the fax log for a customer. They did not even look at the vehicle, they were too busy.

Thanks again to everyone
-GoKartRacer....


Congratulations ! I had the *pleasure* of this agent's time also when I cleared a few weeks ago; I mentioned (warned) others in my post (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5700598#post5700598) a few weeks ago. It seems that the number of importers has exploded in the weeks since I bought my Subie. Had I been importing today, I would have saved about another $2,000 based on dollar difference, in the 6 short weeks.

[michelb]

...
Other vehicles, such as the Volvo S80, have different features depending on which side of the border they were produced. In the U.S., the speedometer features only miles per hour, not kilometres. We all know roughly what the conversion is but you’ll need to get a new speedometer if you want to get the vehicle registered. “That’s another $2,000,” he said. Automotive consultant Dennis DesRosiers thinks too many people are making too big a deal about the cross-border price differences. He says it amounts to about $1,000 across two-thirds of the market.

There's Dennis again spreading misinformation (how exactly did this guy become an 'expert' ? Half of what he says is inaccurate or lies ...).

Canadian Volvos have 'km/h only' displays but US Volvos have dual 'mph and km/h' (just look at pics from US cars on eBay) (interestingly enough if you go to www.volvocars.us and look at pics, they're 'KM/H' only !!! (at least for the XC90)). Furthermore, even if it was MPH only, you only need stickers with KM/H speeds to register (which I believe TC/RIV might even supply for free), not a new speedo. Also even if you did to replace the cluster, you only need a faceplate which *might* be $500 - not $2000!!!

As far as an average of $1000 across two-thirds of the market again not sure where he's getting his figures but in Canada but if you look at the list of the best-selling vehicles in Canada (http://www.kanetix.ca/ic_auto_info_auto_articles_61), other than maybe the Focus, they're all significantly more expensive in Canada!!!

Maybe he was just misquoted; maybe what he really said is 'if you look at the list of cars THAT AREN'T MUCH MORE IN CANADA (there's bound to be a few (although I'm sure he doesn't factor in 'haggling' on prices which is also much better in the US), two-thirds of those (just the cars that aren't really much more) are only more expensive by $1000 or so (I figure maybe he was including bicycles and mopeds and maybe kids toys in there to get his numbers)).

[HighFlyer]

Canadian Volvos have 'km/h only' displays but US Volvos have dual 'mph and km/h' (just look at pics from US cars on eBay) (interestingly enough if you go to www.volvocars.us and look at pics, they're 'KM/H' only !!! (at least for the XC90)). Furthermore, even if it was MPH only, you only need stickers with KM/H speeds to register (which I believe TC/RIV might even supply for free), not a new speedo. Also even if you did to replace the cluster, you only need a faceplate which *might* be $500 - not $2000!!!
I've rented a V70, XC90 and S60.... all of them had the capability to show mph on the digital display.

[shammy]

Hi,

I was wondering if someone can help me out with some info on buying a used car from the US, through a privately sale not a dealership?

The car is an Acura TL. I believe they are all built in Marysville Ohio. Which means I don't have to pay the import duty tax. What charges and taxes should I be expecting? I take it I will still need the letter of recall from the manufacturer, RIV papers and fees. Do I still need to pay both the GST and PST at the border?

thanks a lot
Johnny

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

Article about immobilizers:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20071109.RTHEFT09/TPStory/Business

Why dont the reporters write how the incentives for 2007 models and the lack of real incentives are a slap in the face of every Canadian consumer

[Xcessiv]

About the MPH speedometers, I registered a few repaired salvage US cars with MPH speedos without any problem. Is it different for new cars??!!

[rafku]

I think you're referring to the Bus station at Bay and Dundas, unless they have buses out from Union. Anyhow, you can try and purchase your ticket at the last minute, and hope they're are seats left. When I went, I purchased a week ahead of time, just in case. Bus left at 8:15 got there at 12:00ish due to the wait at the border. I bought a one way fare and showed them at the border what I was doing (importing a car) but if you read the ticket stub, it states that you can be denied entry with a one way ticket, so it's up to you. Good Luck!

Greyhound does not guarantee seats, at least not for buffalo. My ticket did not even have a trip date. The teller told me is good for 30days or something and to be at the station at least 30min before the departure to make sure I get on the bus.

Having said that Thursday 8:15am bus was half empty...

[DSTU]

Jets,

I need to find out (and not get screwed by Canada border officers) how the calculate the GST and then later the PST?

I have this example:
The Bill of sales shows $25000 US founds.
The GST in Canada will be paid on this basis founds 6% for $25000 US or they make the conversion for US to CAD there at the border?

The conversion as of today is $25000 US = $23255 CAD.
I will say they should consider TAX on the CAD amount of $23255 CAD , this means less money to pay on the TAX 6% GST (form $23255 CAD) =$1395 CAD comparing with TAX 6% GST (form $25000 US) =$1500 CAD


They are using same method or they are gouging us?

Thanks everyone!


US Amount x .9xxx = Amount you are taxed on.

[sos1]

As mentioned many pages ago, Dealers who refuse to sell cars to Canadians we should get it in writing, preferably letter or e-mail, voice etc.. Notwithstanding, their conduct contravenes the Sherman Trust Act, which provides for financial penalties, for this conduct. We could really use this to our advantage, HOWEVER, the best way to get these car companies to change their illegal and unlawful practices is to embaras them publicly. So, just contact the local TV Station, say News 2, in Buffalo, they have terrific Investigative Reporters, not the aspiring Senate types we have, who will get involved because these same US Dealers/MFG cannot be seen discriminating in anyway!! Whereas, an illegal Mexican Alien can buy a car from these same dealers in NY State and Canadians can't, this would make for interesting news. We should also point out to these reporters, that the Canadian car Mfg/Dealers are supporting these illegal and questionable activities and bye the way it was these same Cdn. Dealers who were all to willing to sell cars to US Citizens and made considerable profits doing so. They can't have it both ways.
Food for thought, better than just complaining here

[rafku]

Canada customs requires the US Customs stamp or else they'll refuse the vehicle entry into Canada. I think thats it...

I dont think that is true. When I was getting my Form 1 the customs officer was talking on the phone to someone who presumably asked that question. He told him Customs Canada does not care about the stamp, but that he better thinks twice about not properly exporting a vehicle from US. This is since on the first US re-entry later on he may have it seized.

[reddy54]

For the third day in a row the RIV has issued an updated list.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf

[thegradas]

From: http://www.audidowntowntoronto.com/en_CA/

"With winter around the corner, October (?!) is the month to buy from Audi Downtown Toronto, as we are moving all model year 2007's (with only a few left...and ging FAST!). With leasing starting from 0.2% or savings up to $9,000+. Hurry...call today!"






I heard a radio commercial this afternoon for Audi Downtown Toronto (http://www.audidowntowntoronto.com/) that said they were offering US pricing on 2007 models this month. I don't have any other details, but anyone interested in an Audi might want to check them out.

[googz]

Jets,

I need to find out (and not get screwed by Canada border officers) how the calculate the GST and then later the PST?

I have this example:
The Bill of sales shows $25000 US founds.
The GST in Canada will be paid on this basis founds 6% for $25000 US or they make the conversion for US to CAD there at the border?

The conversion as of today is $25000 US = $23255 CAD.
I will say they should consider TAX on the CAD amount of $23255 CAD , this means less money to pay on the TAX 6% GST (form $23255 CAD) =$1395 CAD comparing with TAX 6% GST (form $25000 US) =$1500 CAD


They are using same method or they are gouging us?

Thanks everyone!

Your 2 examples still result in the same tax paid.

1. 6% on $25000 US = $1500 US = $1395 CDN

2. 6% on $23255 US = $1395 CDN

Same @#$%, different pile.

[diigii]

The number of Canadians heading south to buy a car appears to be growing daily, according to the Registrar of Imported Vehicles. Here's a breakdown:

25,000 - Number of Canadians who bought U.S. vehicles last month. (Exact number is 24,873 units for October 2007 provided by the North American Automobile Trade Association).

170,000 - Estimated number of Canadians who will buy a vehicle in the U.S. this year.

112,000 - Previous record for number of Canadians buying U.S. vehicles.

40% - Estimated number of vehicles purchased in the U.S. that will be new.

5,000 - Number of Canadians calling the registrar per day, looking for information on importing American cars.

7,000 - Number of Canadians who called earlier this week, when the dollar hit $1.08 (U.S.)


(From The Globe and Mail, Nov 9, 2007. Author: Greg Keenan)

[perfchris]

The APA has called for people to delay the purchase of a vehicle until January 2008 because of the price differential and the fact that dealers have not adjusted prices.

The local car dealer's association is furious at the APA. I have to congratulate the APA for looking after our interests and I would suggest they should be looking into this whole immobilizer issue.

Here is the link to the LaPresse article:
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20071109/CPNOUVELLISTE/711090932/5721/MVAUTOCAMION01

[diigii]

The APA has called for people to delay the purchase of a vehicle until January 2008 because of the price differential and the fact that dealers have not adjusted prices.

The local car dealer's association is furious at the APA. I have to congratulate the APA for looking after our interests and I would suggest they should be looking into this whole immobilizer issue.

Here is the link to the LaPresse article:
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20071109/CPNOUVELLISTE/711090932/5721/MVAUTOCAMION01

Care to translate? Je ne parle francais. :cheesygri

[Tender]

There's Dennis again spreading misinformation (how exactly did this guy become an 'expert' ? Half of what he says is inaccurate or lies ...

This Dennis guy is an expert of lying.

[Shojin]

Care to translate? Je ne parle francais. :cheesygri

Use the Force (aka Google) Luke...

http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cyberpresse.ca%2Farti cle%2F20071109%2FCPNOUVELLISTE%2F711090932%2F5721% 2FMVAUTOCAMION01&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8

[diigii]

This Dennis guy is an expert of lying.

Rememeber he gave his two-thirds estimation of $221 in savings? So he's just giving his one-third part of his equation just now? But of course! He's a mathematician! :D

[diigii]

Use the Force (aka Google) Luke...

http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cyberpresse.ca%2Farti cle%2F20071109%2FCPNOUVELLISTE%2F711090932%2F5721% 2FMVAUTOCAMION01&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8

Google was non-existent a long time ago...in a galaxy far, far away....:cheesygri

Their translation is not accurate. Don't wanna be misinformed like DesRosiers The Mathematician.

WTH!! Association for the Protection of the motorist?! It's Automobile Protection Association!

[Pseudo Nim]

The APA has called for people to delay the purchase of a vehicle until January 2008 because of the price differential and the fact that dealers have not adjusted prices.

The local car dealer's association is furious at the APA. I have to congratulate the APA for looking after our interests and I would suggest they should be looking into this whole immobilizer issue.

Here is the link to the LaPresse article:
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20071109/CPNOUVELLISTE/711090932/5721/MVAUTOCAMION01

I doubt that will help in the sense that if a WRX STI lists at $48,995 today, I do not really see it going to $35,995 on Jan 1st :P

[Vidman]

I thought I'd add my 2 cents on this issue...
While I feel bad for the local dealerships/salespeople (they don't set the prices) there is an upside for them in all this US importing...

I recetly imported a Subaru Tribeca, and my Father is in the process of purchasing an 08 Outback.
Both of us agreed that, although we really like the vehicles we bought, these are not vehicles we would have considered (other than the fact that Subaru was choosing to make it 'easy' for Canadians to purchase). In my case, I was not even in the market for a new vehicle, but felt the opportunity was too good to pass up. My dad was ready to buy an Altima, but Nissan is dragging their heels with transport canada and trying to make things difficult.
Hello Subaru.

What did our local Subaru dealer 'lose' from this?
Absolutely nothing. We likely would not have purchased Subarus anyway.
What will they gain?
If they treat us with respect, they will get service & repair work for several years. I expect this would may amount to a greater payback than had we simply purchased a vehicle from them. I haven't taken the vehicle in to them yet, so we'll see if they take the high road.

Maybe they have 2 new loyal Subaru owners ready to buy replacements from them in the future???

If any Canadian dealers are reading this, it's something for you to think about.

[scouzi]

Care to translate? Je ne parle francais. :cheesygri

Same BS by dealers:

- Some contracts were cancelled.

- "Incentives make cars the same price" LOL. However, they never seem to provide any example. Plus, the same incentives exist in the US.

-"You can't finance it in the US" - SO what! What does the financing have to do with MSRP? Americans get financing on the lower price.

"You have to take into account 'expensive modifications'". Of course, again without examples.

I don't understand the dealers. They are actually getting gauged themselves by the car companies but they blame the consumer.

[Tender]

Same BS by dealers:

..."You can't finance it in the US" - SO what! What does the financing have to do with MSRP? Americans get financing on the lower price...
I don't understand the dealers. They are actually getting gauged themselves by the car companies but they blame the consumer.

I think I can hear them saying: "scxxw the 80% who cannot afford to pay cash."

There are a lot of dealers making a LOT of money selling used cars imported from the U.S. Another reason why they also want to keep the prices here artificially high.

[Pseudo Nim]

Very good points brought up. A car sale per se does not really make money for the dealer anyway - considering many negotiate under-invoice pricing, it's mostly the repeat business (which is anything BUT cheap - I just gave my dealer $1k for the 48,000km maintenance/brake/(in-warranty) disc replacements on my Impreza...). For this reason, they should WELCOME imported cars with OPEN ARMS and try to wrangle the extra money saved by the consumer back out of him as services and so on. Tunnel thinking, boxed vision. :P


I thought I'd add my 2 cents on this issue...
While I feel bad for the local dealerships/salespeople (they don't set the prices) there is an upside for them in all this US importing...

I recetly imported a Subaru Tribeca, and my Father is in the process of purchasing an 08 Outback.
Both of us agreed that, although we really like the vehicles we bought, these are not vehicles we would have considered (other than the fact that Subaru was choosing to make it 'easy' for Canadians to purchase). In my case, I was not even in the market for a new vehicle, but felt the opportunity was too good to pass up. My dad was ready to buy an Altima, but Nissan is dragging their heels with transport canada and trying to make things difficult.
Hello Subaru.

What did our local Subaru dealer 'lose' from this?
Absolutely nothing. We likely would not have purchased Subarus anyway.
What will they gain?
If they treat us with respect, they will get service & repair work for several years. I expect this would may amount to a greater payback than had we simply purchased a vehicle from them. I haven't taken the vehicle in to them yet, so we'll see if they take the high road.

Maybe they have 2 new loyal Subaru owners ready to buy replacements from them in the future???

If any Canadian dealers are reading this, it's something for you to think about.

[Shojin]

Google was non-existent a long time ago...in a galaxy far, far away....:cheesygri

Their translation is not accurate. Don't wanna be misinformed like DesRosiers The Mathematician.

WTH!! Association for the Protection of the motorist?! It's Automobile Protection Association!

Yea, it's comical to read the translations sometimes, but for the most part it gives you the jist of what they're saying. Still, not as bad as some of the Chinese->English translations I've seen :D

[diigii]

Same BS by dealers:

- Some contracts were cancelled.

- "Incentives make cars the same price" LOL. However, they never seem to provide any example. Plus, the same incentives exist in the US.

-"You can't finance it in the US" - SO what! What does the financing have to do with MSRP? Americans get financing on the lower price.

"You have to take into account 'expensive modifications'". Of course, again without examples.

I don't understand the dealers. They are actually getting gauged themselves by the car companies but they blame the consumer.

aaah I see! What else is new? They keep re-hashing it up over and over again. They should know it's a broken record on loop but they still play it.

[shopper-X]

I thought I'd add my 2 cents on this issue...
While I feel bad for the local dealerships/salespeople (they don't set the prices) there is an upside for them in all this US importing...

I recetly imported a Subaru Tribeca, and my Father is in the process of purchasing an 08 Outback.
Both of us agreed that, although we really like the vehicles we bought, these are not vehicles we would have considered (other than the fact that Subaru was choosing to make it 'easy' for Canadians to purchase). In my case, I was not even in the market for a new vehicle, but felt the opportunity was too good to pass up. My dad was ready to buy an Altima, but Nissan is dragging their heels with transport canada and trying to make things difficult.
Hello Subaru.

What did our local Subaru dealer 'lose' from this?
Absolutely nothing. We likely would not have purchased Subarus anyway.
What will they gain?
If they treat us with respect, they will get service & repair work for several years. I expect this would may amount to a greater payback than had we simply purchased a vehicle from them. I haven't taken the vehicle in to them yet, so we'll see if they take the high road.

Maybe they have 2 new loyal Subaru owners ready to buy replacements from them in the future???

If any Canadian dealers are reading this, it's something for you to think about.

Well put.
We were looking at 2WD domestic vehicles that were the price of a Tribeca we got from the US. We never even step foot on a Subaru lot until we did the price comparison in the US. We are enjoying the Tribeca and would now reconsider and recommend a Subaru to others.
Subaru is getting Canadian market share and with opening the gate, they are getting their name out. I have seen more Subaru's on the road this week then in the past 10 years combined.

[reddy54]

Well put.
We were looking at 2WD domestic vehicles that were the price of a Tribeca we got from the US. We never even step foot on a Subaru lot until we did the price comparison in the US. We are enjoying the Tribeca and would now reconsider and recommend a Subaru to others.
Subaru is getting Canadian market share and with opening the gate, they are getting their name out. I have seen more Subaru's on the road this week then in the past 10 years combined.

I live in Montreal and can honestly say that aside from the showroom I never see Tribecas on the streets

[scouzi]

Well put.
We were looking at 2WD domestic vehicles that were the price of a Tribeca we got from the US. We never even step foot on a Subaru lot until we did the price comparison in the US. We are enjoying the Tribeca and would now reconsider and recommend a Subaru to others.
Subaru is getting Canadian market share and with opening the gate, they are getting their name out. I have seen more Subaru's on the road this week then in the past 10 years combined.

I hope that Subaru realizes how Honda and Toyota steering tactics actually benefited them.

The sales from border dealers must show signs of this.

[DSTU]

Rememeber he gave his two-thirds estimation of $221 in savings? So he's just giving his one-third part of his equation just now? But of course! He's a mathematician! :D

No he's a mathmagician
He should do a prestige.

[Rehan]

Leasing is one of the situations in which the savings of buying from the US are limited (see the Honda Ridgeline example earlier in the thread). But I would expect more companies like Multiline and Fournier Leasing to pop up to bring the savings to people that tend to lease instead of buy.

[diigii]

No he's a mathmagician
He should do a prestige.

Right!! He's good in HOCUS POCUS!!! :lol:

[endura]

$6000 of that "Paid on delivery" amount is his discount, so you should take that out of the Total Payments. So it's about $41k....

If he had bought in the US and financed it through a local bank:
$27500 -- 2008 Ridgeline RTL + delivery fee (according to carsdirect.com)
$2200 -- 8% state tax (because a US resident would have to buy it and register it first)
$1650 -- 6% GST
$2200 -- 8% Ontario PST
$500 -- various costs to import
$34050 -- Total cost

Finance that $34k at 8% over 48 months, and you're looking at $818 per month. Total payments over 48 months: $39264. That's a saving of only $2k, and there's no warranty on the imported Honda. Not really worth it.

also, count my lost interest on the $30K that's sitting in the bank right now for the next four years. Anyways, I'm content.

I had some help with the $6000 off as by myself I was only able to get $1500 off. I called car help canada and spoke to mr mohammed bouchama whom I've seen on pulse 24 with car related stuff. I bought a $50 membership with him and he arranged the deal with his honda dealer. money well spent.

my first choice was always a ridgeline but their prices in canada were totally out of whack with the states and I was not comfortable with no warranty. if honda had not come up with the .9% lease and I hadn't contacted carhelp canada I was actually going to go to the states and get a 2007 nissan frontier crew cab as I would have had a canadian warranty and would have saved almost $9K canadian on the vehicle. nissans seem to have astronomical price differences on frontiers/titans between here and the states. anyways, honda trumped nissan by acting faster and I have my preferred choice in vehicle.

so, screw you nissan, you just lost a sale through your arrogance at the canadian consumer.

I want to thank this site for giving me a great deal of info that helped my decision making process.

I think it's sad that Canadians have to go through all this trouble to get the same pricing that U.S. residents get by just driving down to the dealer.

Desrosiers is on the payroll of the cdn. dealers so cut him some slack. He's intelligent enough to know how stupid/moronic he's looked for the past couple of weeks. he's got to pay the bills too.

[larman2001]

my first choice was always a ridgeline but their prices in canada were totally out of whack with the states and I was not comfortable with no warranty.

My Acura dealership (salesman) told me that a US bought Acura would not have a repair done here covered under warranty, however that I'd pay to have it fixed here and would then be reimbursed by Acura / Honda US once I submitted my bill to them.

If that's true, it's not that bad.

Can anyone confirm this to be true?

Larry

[inspire]

Very good points brought up. A car sale per se does not really make money for the dealer anyway - considering many negotiate under-invoice pricing, it's mostly the repeat business (which is anything BUT cheap - I just gave my dealer $1k for the 48,000km maintenance/brake/(in-warranty) disc replacements on my Impreza...). For this reason, they should WELCOME imported cars with OPEN ARMS and try to wrangle the extra money saved by the consumer back out of him as services and so on. Tunnel thinking, boxed vision. :P
That's true -- the average consumer is not too mechanically inclined. I would advise ANYONE to go somewhere else to get a quote on 'regular maintenance' items. I have access to tools, so if it's the brakes that are going, just order the OEM parts (online, of course ;) ) and install them yourself. The engineering to brakes is super easy -- take off the old ones, and install the new ones (in reverse order of taking them off). Any tools you may need, the money saved not paying labour (C$90+/hr ... ouch!) will more than offset. And you got more tools in your garage ... every guy's dream!

Going back on-topic ... this is a good perspective. You would think that the dealer will "lose" on the new car sale / lease ... but they'll gain in the service dept with repeat customers. I'm glad the 'smaller' guys are letting the importation process go so they can gain market share. I wonder if anyone wanted to buy a Mitsubishi or a Hyundai... :confused:

[scouzi]

I live in Montreal and can honestly say that aside from the showroom I never see Tribecas on the streets

I see a few where I live on the Northern shore of Laval. Locally bought ones!

[Vidman]

My Acura dealership (salesman) told me that a US bought Acura would not have a repair done here covered under warranty, however that I'd pay to have it fixed here and would then be reimbursed by Acura / Honda US once I submitted my bill to them.

If that's true, it's not that bad.

Can anyone confirm this to be true?

Larry

NOT true.
See http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253

Acura/Honda void the warranty. I believe you can not even return to the US to have warranty work done once it is imported to Canada.

[inspire]

My Acura dealership (salesman) told me that a US bought acura would not have a repair done here under warranty, however that I'd pay to have if fixed here and would be reimbursed by Acura / Honda US once I submitted my bill to them.

If that's true, it's not that bad.

Can anyone confirm this to be true?

Larry

Good luck ... you can try but I doubt they'll reimburse you. You can consider the savings (thousands) on buying a TSX, TL, or RL in the US as your 'warranty'. Those 3 models are on their 3rd year (or more) of production. The major bugs are ironed out. My only concern is the transmission on the RL (SH-AWD) -- if that goes ... you're gonna pay a pretty penny since there's carbon-fiber in there. Add labour costs ... ouch. If you buy a TL or TSX with a manual -- far less expensive to maintain than an automatic (long term).

BTW, I imported a TSX for my wife last year ... not a single problem with it (knock on wood). Assembled in Japan ... no worries. ;)

PS Have you bought the car yet? If not, and you live close enough to the border, get in writing that the dealership will do warranty work, if required. I got reassurance that they will do work on my wife's car, if needed ... but I live in a border town and my wife commutes to the US daily.

[endura]

Good luck ... you can try but I doubt they'll reimburse you. You can consider the savings (thousands) on buying a TSX, TL, or RL in the US as your 'warranty'. Those 3 models are on their 3rd year (or more) of production. The major bugs are ironed out. My only concern is the transmission on the RL (SH-AWD) -- if that goes ... you're gonna pay a pretty penny since there's carbon-fiber in there. Add labour costs ... ouch. If you buy a TL or TSX with a manual -- far less expensive to maintain than an automatic (long term).

BTW, I imported a TSX for my wife last year ... not a single problem with it (knock on wood). Assembled in Japan ... no worries. ;)


I agree. there's no warranty. for a awd ridleline with an automatic and power everything up the wazoo I was very uncomfortable with no warranty. For a 2 wheel drive honda/acura, especially with a manual trans., I would go U.S. cash sale no problem.

[Kamloops]

Does anyone have any Knowledge of importing a sled (snowmobile)

Things like warrenty and stuff.
Are any dealers blocked from selling to Canucks.

I guess they are considered self propelled land so they go though USA customs.

[Ridgeback]

With all the talk of the immobilizers and the article in the Globe, can anyone confirmm that Outbacks meet the import requirements. According to the RIV website, they do, but I just don't want to get screwed.

[phatblunt]

Can people who have purchased 08' Subaru's in the US
please share their experiences in getting warranty coverage
at Canadian dealers. (i realize this must be rare at this point).

I'm cursed when it comes to cars. I've had serious warranty
work done on my Camry and Accord -- to the tune of many thousands
of dollars ! >:(

[larman2001]

BTW, I imported a TSX for my wife last year ... not a single problem with it (knock on wood). Assembled in Japan ... no worries. ;)

Not US built? Did you pay a high duty?



PS Have you bought the car yet? If not, and you live close enough to the border, get in writing that the dealership will do warranty work, if required. I got reassurance that they will do work on my wife's car, if needed ... but I live in a border town and my wife commutes to the US daily.

I did not buy one yet. I live 1.5 hours from Burlington VT but the dealership states they cannot sell to Canadians http://www.lewisacura.com/sales-to-non-us-citizens.htm

I'm tempted to buy a one-year old TL Type S. The savings are incredible. But warranty would be an issue for me as my 2yr old TSX had a rack and pinion recently changed (under warranty)

[scouzi]

Does anyone have any Knowledge of importing a sled (snowmobile)

Things like warrenty and stuff.
Are any dealers blocked from selling to Canucks.

I guess they are considered self propelled land so they go though USA customs.


Bombardier is blocking US dealers. Apparently the price difference is same as cars. Another (subsidzed) Canadian company gauging Canadians.

[Vidman]

Can people who have purchased 08' Subaru's in the US
please share their experiences in getting warranty coverage
at Canadian dealers. (i realize this must be rare at this point).

I'm cursed when it comes to cars. I've had serious warranty
work done on my Camry and Accord -- to the tune of many thousands
of dollars ! >:(

I'd be curious too. I know Subaru has stated that the re-imbursement for the repair will be limited to what the repair 'would' cost in the US. I am expecting that I will not get 100% reimbursement. Hopefully it is a high % in reality. They also said the payment will be re-imbursed in $US- not sure if that is a straight across (i.e. $500 cdn repair- reimbursed in $500 US) Not great now, but could be beneficial in the future if the US$ rises again.

Anyone with first hand experience with the SoA reimbursement?

[can2000]

Someone mentioned to exchange the money at KVB Kunlun.
http://www.kvbkunlun.com/web/en/Contactus/Auckland.aspx

I just called them. I was told the service fee is $25 each time. And I can wire the money from them as well. Looks the their exchange rate is OK, 0.9445 at 9am today. Any thoughts?

Thanks!

[michelb]

My Acura dealership (salesman) told me that a US bought Acura would not have a repair done here covered under warranty, however that I'd pay to have it fixed here and would then be reimbursed by Acura / Honda US once I submitted my bill to them.

If that's true, it's not that bad.

Can anyone confirm this to be true?

Larry


NOT true.
See http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253

Acura/Honda void the warranty. I believe you can not even return to the US to have warranty work done once it is imported to Canada.

As Vidman says, not true. Honda warranty manual specifically states that warranty is only valid if the vehicle is registered in the US.

[bug]

In the story I posted, this guy bought a 2008 Honda Civic on Oct 2nd in the US, and when he went to license it was told he could not. So now he is stuck with a car he cant drive. The stupid thing is the car was actually built in Canada.
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5901360&postcount=8477

[rafku]

I'd be curious too. I know Subaru has stated that the re-imbursement for the repair will be limited to what the repair 'would' cost in the US. I am expecting that I will not get 100% reimbursement. Hopefully it is a high % in reality. They also said the payment will be re-imbursed in $US- not sure if that is a straight across (i.e. $500 cdn repair- reimbursed in $500 US) Not great now, but could be beneficial in the future if the US$ rises again.

Anyone with first hand experience with the SoA reimbursement?

Once you buy Subaru, the curse will be lifted :razz:

[ymlccc]

Your 2 examples still result in the same tax paid.

1. 6% on $25000 US = $1500 US = $1395 CDN

2. 6% on $23255 US = $1395 CDN

Same @#$%, different pile.

I think at border, they charge you 6% according to the USd price. and when you go to your local license office, they first take the price that canadian custom converted from USD to CND then ADD the QST+100 air tax, then use the total to caltulate your PST. This is what happened to my case... Everything you bought in Canada, the tax is calculated this way...

[Super strokey]

Can we get an immobilizer installed here?

[Orenbvip]

my father in the US is selling his 07 VW GTI w 5k miles on it for $28k if anyone is interested :)

[thelefteyeguy]

With all the talk of the immobilizers and the article in the Globe, can anyone confirmm that Outbacks meet the import requirements. According to the RIV website, they do, but I just don't want to get screwed.


they do...go to subaru.com or .ca

also includes DRL

[bxconst]

I am trying to fax the CO (certificate of origin) to the Detroit customs.

The fax number I us is: 1-313-226-5347

I do not manage to send the fax. Sometimes the line is busy, and when it is not, there is no answer at the other end.

Anyone else experienced similar problems ?

Thanks a lot for your help !

[longdong]

And for the same owner if you brought the car to Canada (if you want to buy a used car and bring the car to Canada, the warranty will be void)


As Vidman says, not true. Honda warranty manual specifically states that warranty is only valid if the vehicle is registered in the US.

[james-007]

In the story I posted, this guy bought a 2008 Honda Civic on Oct 2nd in the US, and when he went to license it was told he could not. So now he is stuck with a car he cant drive. The stupid thing is the car was actually built in Canada.
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5901360&postcount=8477

If he takes the car back to the US he will get taxes and duties back from the Canadian government all he will loose is the depreciation.

[larman2001]

And for the same owner if you brought the car to Canada (if you want to buy a used car and bring the car to Canada, the warranty will be void)


Well then I guess it's time to look at Infiniti instead. I understand their warranties are valid in Canada.

Nice knowing you Honda/Acura

[michelb]

If he takes the car back to the US he will get taxes and duties back from the Canadian government all he will loose is the depreciation.

That is incorrect, if he returns the car to the US (assuming he even can re-import it - I suspect that you might have to be a US resident to import the car (I think he'll probably have to resell it to a US resident for that person to re-import), CCRA specifically says that you DO NOT get taxes and duties back for cars that are not admissible into Canada.

[bobbob911]

Hi again,

I wanted to clarify that I'm thinking about a used Nissan Versa that is not at a Nissan dealership. Further, this dealership does not have experience with drafting up the export paperwork. Is that going to make things too difficult?

Thanks!

--------------------------
My original questions were:

1)Does Nissan currently issue recall letters without much hassle? What is needed besides the VIN to acquire one? How long does it typically take to get one issued? Would I get the letter from Nissan Canada or Nissan USA?

2)Can I avoid paying state sales tax in Ohio? If so, is there a form or a website that I can print out and show the dealer in case they are not aware of this? If they don't believe it is it possible to apply for a tax refund at the border?

3)What plates do I use for the car in the US? When do I change them to Canadian plates? Is this done at the border? (either at US customs or Canadian customs)

4)How do I get the car insured while it is in the US? When I purchase the car is it immediately registered to myself at a Canadian address, or is this final registration done at the border?

5)Exactly what documentation needs to be submitted to US customs 72 hrs beforehand? Does this need to be submitted in person? Can this be done before the car is purchased or does this requirement effectively mean two trips to the US (or one 72 hr stay)

Thanks a lot!

[eurasian]

my father in the US is selling his 07 VW GTI w 5k miles on it for $28k if anyone is interested :)

wow, your dad is trying to make a good cut on this! Although, the new '08 GTI is not admissible in Canada, its starting price is 23K USD or so.

[PaulieScatone]

Hi again,

I wanted to clarify that I'm thinking about a used Nissan Versa that is not at a Nissan dealership. Further, this dealership does not have experience with drafting up the export paperwork. Is that going to make things too difficult?

Thanks!

--------------------------
My original questions were:

1)Does Nissan currently issue recall letters without much hassle? What is needed besides the VIN to acquire one? How long does it typically take to get one issued? Would I get the letter from Nissan Canada or Nissan USA?

2)Can I avoid paying state sales tax in Ohio? If so, is there a form or a website that I can print out and show the dealer in case they are not aware of this? If they don't believe it is it possible to apply for a tax refund at the border?

3)What plates do I use for the car in the US? When do I change them to Canadian plates? Is this done at the border? (either at US customs or Canadian customs)

4)How do I get the car insured while it is in the US? When I purchase the car is it immediately registered to myself at a Canadian address, or is this final registration done at the border?

5)Exactly what documentation needs to be submitted to US customs 72 hrs beforehand? Does this need to be submitted in person? Can this be done before the car is purchased or does this requirement effectively mean two trips to the US (or one 72 hr stay)

Thanks a lot!
All the information you are looking for is out there. Just do little more digging.

ie
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477998

http://borderdeals.ca/vehicles/

http://www.carburner.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

[michelb]

Hi again,

I wanted to clarify that I'm thinking about a used Nissan Versa that is not at a Nissan dealership. Further, this dealership does not have experience with drafting up the export paperwork. Is that going to make things too difficult?

Thanks!

--------------------------
My original questions were:

1)Does Nissan currently issue recall letters without much hassle? What is needed besides the VIN to acquire one? How long does it typically take to get one issued? Would I get the letter from Nissan Canada or Nissan USA?

2)Can I avoid paying state sales tax in Ohio? If so, is there a form or a website that I can print out and show the dealer in case they are not aware of this? If they don't believe it is it possible to apply for a tax refund at the border?

3)What plates do I use for the car in the US? When do I change them to Canadian plates? Is this done at the border? (either at US customs or Canadian customs)

4)How do I get the car insured while it is in the US? When I purchase the car is it immediately registered to myself at a Canadian address, or is this final registration done at the border?

5)Exactly what documentation needs to be submitted to US customs 72 hrs beforehand? Does this need to be submitted in person? Can this be done before the car is purchased or does this requirement effectively mean two trips to the US (or one 72 hr stay)

Thanks a lot!

1. You have to get it from Nissan USA - might be possible to simply get a Nissan dealership to print out that there are no outstanding recalls on dealership letterhead. As far as I know, Nissan is still issuing these without any problems. Not sure how long it takes but you don't actually need this when you cross the border; you need it to get RIV stickers so time isn't really an issue.

2. You'd have to research Ohio, many states (but not all) do not charge taxes for vehicles purchased for export - not sure about Ohio. I do not believe there is anyway to get a refund or credit for taxes paid in the US but again that would depend on the State.

3. You would need to get a tempory permit from Ohio - again refer to Ohio DMV for more information. Once in Canada, some say you need a Canadian temp permit, others (including me) say that the Ohio one is still valid (I was stopped with my AZ one and it wasn't a problem - just checked the date.

4. You need to get insurance on your vehicle. Many companies in Canada don't seem to want to do this so you might need to call until you can find one (others have suggested just calling your insurance company and giving them the VIN but not mention that the car is in the US - personally I think this is risky as they might decide to refuse coverage in case of an accident if you didn't mention it - I told everything to my insurance company (Cooperators) and they insured me in the US). Not sure how Ohio works but I think that the car is technically still registered in Ohio until you actually register it in Ontario which isn't until after you receive the RIV forms (a few weeks after you actually import it).

5. You need to present the title at the US Border for export. If there is a lien on the vehicle, you'll need to get a lien discharge letter as well. All borders can be different so you need to call the one you are going to cross at to find out their procedure. Some accept faxes and / or documents sent by courier others may want the actual title in hand and don't accept courriers which means that you have to bring the title in person, hand it to them and then wait for 72 hours before you can export the vehicle - this can mean 2 trips into the US.

[sheriffabc]

Hi:

Can those who got their plates on a new car purchase from the US - please advice which Provincial Licensing Office you went to in Toronto - which do not require safety inspection. I am getting the run around from one of the offices. All the other work is done and was planning to get the plates tomorrow. Thanks in advance.

[PaulieScatone]

Hi:

Can those who got their plates on a new car purchase from the US - please advice which Provincial Licensing Office you went to in Toronto - which do not require safety inspection. I am getting the run around from one of the offices. All the other work is done and was planning to get the plates tomorrow. Thanks in advance.

get the U.S. dealer to provide the plates. They will gladly do it and they are good enough for crossing and driving in canada for something like 30 days.

[MMMM]

Can we get an immobilizer installed here?

According to the following information it should be possible: (link (http://ibc.ca/en/Insurance_Crime/Prevention_Investigation/Immobilizers/Immobilizers_List.asp))



After-market systems

If your car does not have an electronic immobilizer, you can get one from an after-market supplier. IBC currently recognizes four after-market systems as meeting the National Standard of Canada ULC-S338/98:

PFK Autowatch 329 Ti Immobilizer
PFK Autowatch 573 PPi Immobilizer
MasterGard M6000 Immobilizer
Powerlock-Canada Immobilizer

To work properly, these systems must be installed according to the Installation Protocol ULC/ORD 275.1.

To contact the manufacturers of these after-market systems and make installation arrangements, click here (http://ibc.ca/en/Insurance_Crime/documents/immobilizers/TDS_systems_approved-aftermarket-e.pdf).

Further, the following came from (link (http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef18c13/1580))


I just contacted RIV and now you can get an immobilizer installed after you bring the car over the border.
It becomes part of the inspection.
I spoke to MasterGard about their system and it can be installed for $500 but only by a certified technician.
You have 45 days to get this done and your warranty is not affected.
This is really good news since Toyota refused to send the letter about the EIS. Now I can go ahead and get my new RAV4. Toyotas EIS does not meet the Canadian Standard. CAA in Winnipeg have certified Technicians so I will go there and get the new system Installed.
The MasterGard system is also certified by the VSIB-Veh. Security Installation Bureau.

[diigii]

Hi:

Can those who got their plates on a new car purchase from the US - please advice which Provincial Licensing Office you went to in Toronto - which do not require safety inspection. I am getting the run around from one of the offices. All the other work is done and was planning to get the plates tomorrow. Thanks in advance.

Check your inbox. I pm'd you the location.

[diigii]

I was at Costco on Kirkham Rd, Markham Rd/Hwy 14 intersection awhile ago 5:30pm. I saw this black 2008 Subaru Tribeca. Parked beside it. As I got out to walk to Costco, I looked at the rear plate, and true to what I assumed, it had Van Bortel plate frames. NICE CAR!!! CONGRATULATIONS to whoever you are!

Just to bring this up again....Is the owner here on Monsiuermaggot's forum by any chance? This was yesterday, Nov 8, around 5:30pm.

[bobbob911]

Thanks Michelb, I really appreciate it.

It sounds like this is the big sticking point:


5. You need to present the title at the US Border for export. If there is a lien on the vehicle, you'll need to get a lien discharge letter as well. All borders can be different so you need to call the one you are going to cross at to find out their procedure. Some accept faxes and / or documents sent by courier others may want the actual title in hand and don't accept courriers which means that you have to bring the title in person, hand it to them and then wait for 72 hours before you can export the vehicle - this can mean 2 trips into the US.

If I cant get the dealer to do this for me and/or the border customs does not accept fax, its going to mean two trips, which may be enough to deter me. :(

Thanks!

[newlegacyowner]

Jets,

I need to find out (and not get screwed by Canada border officers) how the calculate the GST and then later the PST?

I have this example:
The Bill of sales shows $25000 US founds.
The GST in Canada will be paid on this basis founds 6% for $25000 US or they make the conversion for US to CAD there at the border?

The conversion as of today is $25000 US = $23255 CAD.
I will say they should consider TAX on the CAD amount of $23255 CAD , this means less money to pay on the TAX 6% GST (form $23255 CAD) =$1395 CAD comparing with TAX 6% GST (form $25000 US) =$1500 CAD


They are using same method or they are gouging us?

Thanks everyone!


Hi
You pay tax on the canadian adjusted value, but at the exchange rate determined by canada customs, which will not match the number you see on TV it will be less favorable to you. But not by much.

And in quebec, you still pay provincial tax on the 1395$ GST, so thats another calculation you need to factor in (albeit on any car you purchase, canadian or american anyhow)

[Dreyfus]

http://www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071109.wrtheft09/BNStory/Business/home?cid=al_gam_mostview

Worth reading.

[RRKnight]

OK here's the break down and I need your opinions as to which one I should get G37 or IS250AWD

2008 G37 US Dealer
1,571 Miles = 2,513 Kms
Journey + Premium + Navi
$39,700 plus $180 = $39,880 US
Conversion at 1.06 = $37,622.64
Taxes 14% + 6.1% = $45,184.79

2008 G37 Canadian Dealer
Brand new
Basic + Navi
$53,185
Taxes 14% = $6,0630.90

Difference = $15,446.11

IS250AWD US Dealer
10,994 Miles = 17,590 Kms
AWD + Premium
$33,100 plus $250 = 33,350US
Conversion at 1.06 = $31,462.24
Taxes 14% + 6.1% = $37,786.18

IS250 AWD Canadian Dealer
16,000 Kms
AWD + Premium
$43, 859.64
Taxes 14% = $50,000.00

Difference = $12,213.82

G37 Pros over IS250AWD
- Bigger savings ($3,232.29)
- 2 level higher in class
- Depreciation in 2 years will equal to today’s purchase price.
- Rare, therefore more double take from girls
- Navi
- One word BEAST!

IS250AWD Pros over G37
- AWD
- Depreciate slower
- 4 door, easy for passenger to get in and out
- Luxurious
- More fuel efficient
- Cheaper insurance

[nguyentri]

Not US built? Did you pay a high duty?



I did not buy one yet. I live 1.5 hours from Burlington VT but the dealership states they cannot sell to Canadians http://www.lewisacura.com/sales-to-non-us-citizens.htm

I'm tempted to buy a one-year old TL Type S. The savings are incredible. But warranty would be an issue for me as my 2yr old TSX had a rack and pinion recently changed (under warranty)

I think they pretty much say that they will sell to you if you tell them that you "intend" to register the car in any (ie not VT) US state. You just need a friend/family living in the US.

...
We are allowed to sell new vehicles to anyone - regardless of nationality - so long as they intend to register the vehicle in the United States. For example, if you are a Canadian with a winter home in Florida or a summer home in upstate New York, we can sell you a new vehicle as long as you tell us that you intend to register the car here in the U.S. You must provide us with that valid address, and we must make out all paperwork to you at that address. We will provide you with an in-transit plate allowing you to drive the car for 30 days pending final registration.
...

[Rehan]

OK here's the break down and I need your opinions as to which one I should get G37 or IS250AWD How long are you planning to keep the car? And are you going to need any financing if you buy south of the border?

[RRKnight]

How long are you planning to keep the car? And are you going to need any financing if you buy south of the border?

$20,000 cash and the rest on the line of credit.

Planning to keep it for awhile.

[scrolllock]

The APA has called for people to delay the purchase of a vehicle until January 2008 because of the price differential and the fact that dealers have not adjusted prices.

The local car dealer's association is furious at the APA. I have to congratulate the APA for looking after our interests and I would suggest they should be looking into this whole immobilizer issue.

Here is the link to the LaPresse article:
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20071109/CPNOUVELLISTE/711090932/5721/MVAUTOCAMION01

The apa pres was on the radio yesterday and gave me the impression that the America Standard was way inferior to the new Canadian one. I am really struggling with that! No one seems to know the differences.

Honda America told me their standard was better.

[RRKnight]

OK here's the break down and I need your opinions as to which one I should get G37 or IS250AWD

2008 G37 US Dealer
1,571 Miles = 2,513 Kms
Journey + Premium + Navi
$39,700 plus $180 = $39,880 US
Conversion at 1.06 = $37,622.64
Taxes 14% + 6.1% = $45,184.79

2008 G37 Canadian Dealer
Brand new
Basic + Navi
$53,185
Taxes 14% = $6,0630.90

Difference = $15,446.11

IS250AWD US Dealer
10,994 Miles = 17,590 Kms
AWD + Premium
$33,100 plus $250 = 33,350US
Conversion at 1.06 = $31,462.24
Taxes 14% + 6.1% = $37,786.18

IS250 AWD Canadian Dealer
16,000 Kms
AWD + Premium
$43, 859.64
Taxes 14% = $50,000.00

Difference = $12,213.82

G37 Pros over IS250AWD
- Bigger savings ($3,232.29)
- 2 level higher in class
- Depreciation in 2 years will equal to today’s purchase price.
- Rare, therefore more double take from girls
- Navi
- One word BEAST!

IS250AWD Pros over G37
- AWD
- Depreciate slower
- 4 door, easy for passenger to get in and out
- Luxurious
- More fuel efficient
- Cheaper insurance


I made a poll :D http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=512535

[Carisear]

I AM IN THE EXACT SAME BOAT AS YOU!!!!

g37, is250 AWD ... ARGH ...

but i think, what may sway my decision, will be which dealer actually SELLS me one ..

[yyz2hkg]

I'd be curious too. I know Subaru has stated that the re-imbursement for the repair will be limited to what the repair 'would' cost in the US. I am expecting that I will not get 100% reimbursement. Hopefully it is a high % in reality. They also said the payment will be re-imbursed in $US- not sure if that is a straight across (i.e. $500 cdn repair- reimbursed in $500 US) Not great now, but could be beneficial in the future if the US$ rises again.

Anyone with first hand experience with the SoA reimbursement?

They reimburse you a cheque in USD.

[moguy]

I'm bringing my car across the Ambassador bridge tomorrow.

Has anyone crossed it recently?

Any advice?

I understand it's a little confusing there due to construction.

Thanks.

[michelb]

Can we get an immobilizer installed here?


According to the following information it should be possible: (link (http://ibc.ca/en/Insurance_Crime/Prevention_Investigation/Immobilizers/Immobilizers_List.asp))




Further, the following came from (link (http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef18c13/1580))

In theory, in believe MMMM should be right (that's what Transport Canada says) but in practice I believe that this is only the case if the manufacturer says that it's "admissible if a suitable immobilizer is installed". As it stands, all the cars that we believe are being rejected because of the immobilizer are simply marked as 'inadmissable', which unless I'm mistaken (please correct me if I am) means that "There is no modifications that can bring this vehicle to Canadian specifications and thus the vehicle cannot be import into Canada" - the end.

Like I said, I hope I'm incorrect but I believe that if a manufacturer says it's inadmissable, there's nothing you can do (and because it's a voluntary process, they can simply state that any vehicle is inadmissible without elaborating).

[RRKnight]

I AM IN THE EXACT SAME BOAT AS YOU!!!!

g37, is250 AWD ... ARGH ...

but i think, what may sway my decision, will be which dealer actually SELLS me one ..

I found the dealers that will sell me one, but pre-owned for the Lexus only. New on the Infiniti.

[giaotze]

I know Toyota Canada will honour the warranty for a new car from US.
But do you guys know if they will honour the pre-own certified warranty? I am working on a deal to get a pre-owned certified 07 Sienna from the states. The dealership told me that it will have three 3 years warranty, but I am not sure if it's applicable in Canada.

Any help will be greatly appreciate.
Thanks ;) ;) :cheesygri :cheesygri

[michelb]

I know Toyota will honour the warranty for a new car in US.
But do you guys know if they will honour the pre-own certified warranty? I am working on a deal to get a pre-owned certified 07 Sienna from the states. The dealership told me that it will have three 3 years warranty, but I am not sure if it's applicable in Canada.

Any help will be greatly appreciate.
Thanks ;) ;) :cheesygri :cheesygri

The 3 years warranty is probably the original manufacturers warranty not an extended warranty but either way, just contact Toyota and ask them.

[overboost]

Crossed there on Monday with my car.

The sign is a bit hard to find for this place, but once you're on Fort Street, look for the sign that says cargo inspection or something like that. Go in through the automatic gate and park your car near those blue portable toilets. Go to the second building with your paperwork, and that's it.


I'm bringing my car across the Ambassador bridge tomorrow.

Has anyone crossed it recently?

Any advice?

I understand it's a little confusing there due to construction.

Thanks.

[moguy]

Crossed there on Monday with my car.

The sign is a bit hard to find for this place, but once you're on Fort Street, look for the sign that says cargo inspection or something like that. Go in through the automatic gate and park your car near those blue portable toilets. Go to the second building with your paperwork, and that's it.

Thanks,

How was your experience at customs?

How long did it take you to get through?

Thanks again.

[moguy]

I know Toyota Canada will honour the warranty for a new car from US.
But do you guys know if they will honour the pre-own certified warranty? I am working on a deal to get a pre-owned certified 07 Sienna from the states. The dealership told me that it will have three 3 years warranty, but I am not sure if it's applicable in Canada.

Any help will be greatly appreciate.
Thanks ;) ;) :cheesygri :cheesygri

As far as I know the CPO warranty is not valid in Canada, just the regular manufacturer's.

[Vidman]

They reimburse you a cheque in USD.

Have you already been re-imbursed? I am wondering if there are issues with the amount of re-imbursement. If I get a $1500 repair in Canada, are they going to say that only $1200 is eligible?
Hope I don't have to find out...

[moguy]

I know Toyota Canada will honour the warranty for a new car from US.
But do you guys know if they will honour the pre-own certified warranty? I am working on a deal to get a pre-owned certified 07 Sienna from the states. The dealership told me that it will have three 3 years warranty, but I am not sure if it's applicable in Canada.

Any help will be greatly appreciate.
Thanks ;) ;) :cheesygri :cheesygri

Ask for a discount to remove the CPO status. BMW does this ($1500 I believe)

[giaotze]

As far as I know the CPO warranty is not valid in Canada, just the regular manufacturer's.

Alright Thanks a lot... Kinda kills the deal for me.. but thanks for the input so much!

-Mark

[moguy]

Alright Thanks a lot... Kinda kills the deal for me.. but thanks for the input so much!

-Mark

If it's a 2007, you'll still have a couple years of manufacturer's warranty. The CPO just kicks in when that ends (in the US).

[giaotze]

Ask for a discount to remove the CPO status. BMW does this ($1500 I believe)

You mean I pay 1500 to remove that status?　Ｉｓ that even possible? The car already got some mileage on it..

Interesting idea though:o :o

[giaotze]

If it's a 2007, you'll still have a couple years of manufacturer's warranty. The CPO just kicks in when that ends (in the US).

That's a good point... I guess if I am unfortunate enough to have something happen at the last half an year, I can just drive to nearest US dealership to have them fix up?:confused:

[accorder]

I think they pretty much say that they will sell to you if you tell them that you "intend" to register the car in any (ie not VT) US state. You just need a friend/family living in the US.

...
We are allowed to sell new vehicles to anyone - regardless of nationality - so long as they intend to register the vehicle in the United States. For example, if you are a Canadian with a winter home in Florida or a summer home in upstate New York, we can sell you a new vehicle as long as you tell us that you intend to register the car here in the U.S. You must provide us with that valid address, and we must make out all paperwork to you at that address. We will provide you with an in-transit plate allowing you to drive the car for 30 days pending final registration.
...

haha good point

[MMMM]

Originally Posted by Super strokey
Can we get an immobilizer installed here?


Originally Posted by MMMM
According to the following information it should be possible: (link)





Further, the following came from (link)

IN theory, in believe MMMM should be right (that's what Transport Canada says) but in practice I believe that this is only the case if the manufacturer says that it's "admissible if a suitable immobilizer is installed". As it stands, all the cars that we believe are being rejected because of the immobilizer are simply marked as 'inadmissable', which unless I'm mistaken (please correct me if I am) means that "There is no modifications that can bring this vehicle to Canadian specifications and thus the vehicle cannot be import into Canada" - the end.

Like I said, I hope I'm incorrect but I believe that if a manufacturer says it's inadmissable, there's nothing you can do (and because it's a voluntary process, they can simply state that any vehicle is inadmissible without elaborating).

Called the RIV and spoke to a CSR. She stated if an aftermarket immobilzer is added the car will then be admissable( if this is the reason it is listed as not admissible). She also stated this is changing on day by day basis.:cheesygri I asked if anything in print will be on the website soon and she stated Tuesday. The CSR also stated she is very confused and has not had enough training to deal with this question!

[moguy]

You mean I pay 1500 to remove that status?　Ｉｓ that even possible? The car already got some mileage on it..

Interesting idea though:o :o

LOL, no.

Ask for a 1500 DISCOUNT to have it removed, since you can't use it.

[moguy]

LOL, no.

Ask for a 1500 DISCOUNT to have it removed, since you can't use it.

actually probably less on a Toyota. Try for at least 500-1000

[t_garp]

I know Toyota Canada will honour the warranty for a new car from US.
But do you guys know if they will honour the pre-own certified warranty? I am working on a deal to get a pre-owned certified 07 Sienna from the states. The dealership told me that it will have three 3 years warranty, but I am not sure if it's applicable in Canada.

Any help will be greatly appreciate.
Thanks ;) ;) :cheesygri :cheesygri


I also am interested if the CPO warranty is honoured fr BMW? By reading their website it seems yes, but I'm not 100% sure... Will call BMW USA on Tuesday.

[JWL]

Hi again,

I wanted to clarify that I'm thinking about a used Nissan Versa that is not at a Nissan dealership. Further, this dealership does not have experience with drafting up the export paperwork. Is that going to make things too difficult?

Thanks!

--------------------------
My original questions were:

1)Does Nissan currently issue recall letters without much hassle? What is needed besides the VIN to acquire one? How long does it typically take to get one issued? Would I get the letter from Nissan Canada or Nissan USA?

2)Can I avoid paying state sales tax in Ohio? If so, is there a form or a website that I can print out and show the dealer in case they are not aware of this? If they don't believe it is it possible to apply for a tax refund at the border?

3)What plates do I use for the car in the US? When do I change them to Canadian plates? Is this done at the border? (either at US customs or Canadian customs)

4)How do I get the car insured while it is in the US? When I purchase the car is it immediately registered to myself at a Canadian address, or is this final registration done at the border?

5)Exactly what documentation needs to be submitted to US customs 72 hrs beforehand? Does this need to be submitted in person? Can this be done before the car is purchased or does this requirement effectively mean two trips to the US (or one 72 hr stay)

Thanks a lot!

Just noticed from another link that you posted the exact same questions in another website forum. People are happy to help, but you need to be respectful of their time too..

[FRANKIE]

I am ready to pull the triger but am a little
concerned about the fuel efficiency
Can any "new" owners comment on what sort of numbers they are getting ?
I am fully aware of the 15-20K savings

[yyz2hkg]

Have you already been re-imbursed? I am wondering if there are issues with the amount of re-imbursement. If I get a $1500 repair in Canada, are they going to say that only $1200 is eligible?
Hope I don't have to find out...


..........edit......

[Vidman]

I am ready to pull the triger but am a little
concerned about the fuel efficiency
Can any "new" owners comment on what sort of numbers they are getting ?
I am fully aware of the 15-20K savings

I've only had mine for a week, but I did have a 13hr drive home with it. The trip computer told me I got 21 mpg after my trip- that was counting a bit of city (Seattle & Vancouver), and a drive through the mountains (Seattle to Calgary).

21mpg is how it was 'rated' for highway, and my research showed me that the Tribeca was very similar to other vehicles in its class (some a bit better, some a bit worse).

One small disappointment was the size of the gas tank- It's only around 64 litres- means more pitstops to gas up (my wife's previous Windstar van has a 98 litre tank!)- even my Volvo sedan has a 70 litre tank.

[giaotze]

LOL, no.

Ask for a 1500 DISCOUNT to have it removed, since you can't use it.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :D :D
This board is awesome... so many wiz here ^^
Thanks~ I'll see if I can negotiate a bit for that

[moguy]

I also am interested if the CPO warranty is honoured fr BMW? By reading their website it seems yes, but I'm not 100% sure... Will call BMW USA on Tuesday.

Actually, no, it's not honoured.

That's why you can negotiate a lower price by removing the CPO designation.

[flatman]

Actually, no, it's not honoured.

That's why you can negotiate a lower price by removing the CPO designation.



For those who live close to the border: The BMW CPO warranty will be honored at US BMW dealers if you bought it in the US. So if you can manage to drive it to the US you will have a warranty. I have this confirmed from the dealer I bought from and From BMW USA via email.

[jwstewart]

I am ready to pull the triger but am a little
concerned about the fuel efficiency
Can any "new" owners comment on what sort of numbers they are getting ?
I am fully aware of the 15-20K savings

As compared to what ? Any other AWD SUV for $24995* ?

(Oh wait, there are no other AWD SUV's for $24995 in Canada !)

I calculated a $275 dollar per year extra cost .vs. RAV4. The RAV4 will cost you 10,000 more, so the RAV4 will break even in 36 years.

(*5pass std)

[GoKartRacer]

When I crossed this morning, the Canadian Border Services agents were all young HOTTIES !!!

Might have been good timing, but damn, that sure helps reduce the stress when you're waiting for them to triple check the latest RIV list.

Also, two young guys didn't declare a trailer. Didn't hear the details but the agent turned serious very fast (still hot however), called in other agents, and had the guys empty their pockets and get ready for a search. These two are #%@ royally. Declare or enter a world of pain and legal fees.

haha well the Blond mean one at US Customs in Lewiston is not bad...I just want to cure her meaness ;-)

[moguy]

For those who live close to the border: The BMW CPO warranty will be honored at US BMW dealers if you bought it in the US. So if you can manage to drive it to the US you will have a warranty. I have this confirmed from the dealer I bought from and From BMW USA via email.

Good point, I was speaking of BMW Canada.

Must be nice to live close enough to the border that it's a non-issue :)

[shopper-X]

As compared to what ? Any other AWD SUV for $24995* ?

(Oh wait, there are no other AWD SUV's for $24995 in Canada !)

I calculated a $275 dollar per year extra cost .vs. RAV4. The RAV4 will cost you 10,000 more, so the RAV4 will break even in 36 years.

(*5pass std)

OH SNAP! :-0


I am ready to pull the triger but am a little
concerned about the fuel efficiency
Can any "new" owners comment on what sort of numbers they are getting ?
I am fully aware of the 15-20K savings

Check out the Edmunds Forums. Users there are posting Real World MPG.
I think it may still be listed under B9 Tribeca not Tribeca and it's on the second page.

[overboost]

I arrived at the export office on Monday at 12:15pm. There was about 20 people ahead of me in line. They were truckers getting their papers stamped, and also about 8 or 9 people importing cars.

Make sure you have all your supporting documents. Such as fax confirmation showign you sent it in at least 72hrs prior. Once you have your form stamped, then you're free to cross the bridge to the Canadian side. It took me a good 1hr waiting in the US export office until I got my papers stamped.

On to the Canadian side, tell the agent at the booth that you want to import a car. They'll give you a yellow form and you then go park your car and go inside to pay. In my case, my car came with winter tires and a whole bunch of other goodies (but were included in the sale price). If anyone has extra parts or accessories, it would be a good idea to have some sort of declaration or statement on the dealer itemizing what parts are included with the sale of the car. I had wheels, exhaust, winter tires, ect...customs people were trying to see if I was under-declaring the value of my car. But once I showed them the bill of sale from the dealer, the wire transfer receipt, the declaration of all included parts, they were happy and said I could go.

Just make sure you have all your paperwork, and you will be fine.

Oh one thing, for some reason, they didn't process my RIV payment on the spot, but said to do it online. If you have the chance to get to the RIV office on time, then pay there and get your form 2.

In total, it took me about 1.5hrs from the US office to being done with the Canadian office. They really checked out my paperwork thoroughly though.


Thanks,

How was your experience at customs?

How long did it take you to get through?

Thanks again.

[moguy]

I arrived at the export office on Monday at 12:15pm. There was about 20 people ahead of me in line. They were truckers getting their papers stamped, and also about 8 or 9 people importing cars.

Make sure you have all your supporting documents. Such as fax confirmation showign you sent it in at least 72hrs prior. Once you have your form stamped, then you're free to cross the bridge to the Canadian side. It took me a good 1hr waiting in the US export office until I got my papers stamped.

On to the Canadian side, tell the agent at the booth that you want to import a car. They'll give you a yellow form and you then go park your car and go inside to pay. In my case, my car came with winter tires and a whole bunch of other goodies (but were included in the sale price). If anyone has extra parts or accessories, it would be a good idea to have some sort of declaration or statement on the dealer itemizing what parts are included with the sale of the car. I had wheels, exhaust, winter tires, ect...customs people were trying to see if I was under-declaring the value of my car. But once I showed them the bill of sale from the dealer, the wire transfer receipt, the declaration of all included parts, they were happy and said I could go.

Just make sure you have all your paperwork, and you will be fine.

Oh one thing, for some reason, they didn't process my RIV payment on the spot, but said to do it online. If you have the chance to get to the RIV office on time, then pay there and get your form 2.

In total, it took me about 1.5hrs from the US office to being done with the Canadian office. They really checked out my paperwork thoroughly though.


Thank you very much,

Hopefully you're enjoying your car.

Mo :)

[overboost]

Yup, enjoying my 2004 BMW M3, thanks to this thread, everyone's feedback and all the help!



Thank you very much,

Hopefully you're enjoying your car.

Mo :)

[happyandrew]

Took it to CT for inspection. Was told I need to get a dealer to enable DRL. I called a dealer, and it gonna charge me $300. The worst part is that she can't schedule an appointment until Jan 2008. Fxxx. Now I am screwed.

I understand from other forums it only take a couple of minutes for dealer to do it, but the lady bragged it could take a few hours.

Any experience with that?

Good part is that RIV accepted "Warrenty inquiry letter" as "Recall clearance letter". Save me $500 that BMW Canada would like to charge for a piece of paper.

[cavuu]

I am ready to pull the triger but am a little
concerned about the fuel efficiency
Can any "new" owners comment on what sort of numbers they are getting ?

http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f0e63d6

[michelb]

Took it to CT for inspection. Was told I need to get a dealer to enable DRL. I called a dealer, and it gonna charge me $300. The worst part is that she can't schedule an appointment until Jan 2008. Fxxx. Now I am screwed.

I understand from other forums it only take a couple of minutes for dealer to do it, but the lady bragged it could take a few hours.

Any experience with that?

Good part is that RIV accepted "Warrenty inquiry letter" as "Recall clearance letter". Save me $500 that BMW Canada would like to charge for a piece of paper.

First, it doesn't matter who does it as long as it's done so you certainly don't have to wait for the dealership.

Second, there's no way you can't find a garage that services BMWs (even the dealership) that can't give you an appointment in at most 1-2 weeks. What if you needed brakes serviced? Would you wait 2 months for an appointment?

[HOiYA]

Great... latest RIV says post-Sept 1st built Acura MPV's are inadmissable. Wife's in the States with a 2 week old Acura MDX. Am I completely screwed here, or can Acura provide a letter that the MDX meets CMVSS114?


I called Acura and if you fax them a US driver's license, registration, and proof of insurance they will provide you with a recall clearance letter and letter of admissibility.

[Rehan]

I called Acura and if you fax them a US driver's license, registration, and proof of insurance they will provide you with a recall clearance letter and letter of admissibility. So what they're saying is that post-Sep1 Acuras purchased by US residents are admissible, and post-Sep1 Acuras purchased by Canadian residents are inadmissible? Does the immobilizer function differently depending on the home address of the owner? :confused:

THAT's the kind of information that needs to be in newspapers.

[5136440]

Just noticed from another link that you posted the exact same questions in another website forum. People are happy to help, but you need to be respectful of their time too..


I am ready to pull the triger but am a little
concerned about the fuel efficiency
Can any "new" owners comment on what sort of numbers they are getting ?
I am fully aware of the 15-20K savings


Just noticed from another link that you posted the exact same questions in another website forum. People are happy to help, but you need to be respectful of their time too

[flatman]

Took it to CT for inspection. Was told I need to get a dealer to enable DRL. I called a dealer, and it gonna charge me $300. The worst part is that she can't schedule an appointment until Jan 2008. Fxxx. Now I am screwed.

I understand from other forums it only take a couple of minutes for dealer to do it, but the lady bragged it could take a few hours.

Any experience with that?

Good part is that RIV accepted "Warrenty inquiry letter" as "Recall clearance letter". Save me $500 that BMW Canada would like to charge for a piece of paper.

Glad they are still accepting the warranty inquiry at RIV.

In terms of the DRL that is a load of crap. Look around for an independant BMW servise place to do it for you. Then after you get it done call the dealer back and tell them they lost all your maintenance business because of their attitude.

I guess I was lucky, I had my dealer in the US do it for me N/C.

[Kamloops]

iDrive is standard in the X5 on all models. You have the manual? You can do the DLR yourself, easy. If you dont have idrive there is a way to do it as well. Easy. Ok just saved you 300 bucks and grief, I like imported beer please.

http://www.kyra.ca/drl/DRL3.gif



Took it to CT for inspection. Was told I need to get a dealer to enable DRL. I called a dealer, and it gonna charge me $300. The worst part is that she can't schedule an appointment until Jan 2008. Fxxx. Now I am screwed.

I understand from other forums it only take a couple of minutes for dealer to do it, but the lady bragged it could take a few hours.

Any experience with that?

Good part is that RIV accepted "Warrenty inquiry letter" as "Recall clearance letter". Save me $500 that BMW Canada would like to charge for a piece of paper.

[jnmontario]

My email to Toyota Canada a month ago:

I have a quick question. Why, in Canada, is the 2008 Prius MSRP $29,500.00
while over in Ogdensburg the MSRP for the same vehicle, same options , only
$22,325? After freight etc... that same Prius in the US comes out to
$23,513 while here in Canada it is $35,057. Are there plans to adjust the
Canadian MSRP or am I forced to spend my hard-earned dollars in another
country to enjoy a competitive free-market?


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Dear Mr. XXX:

Thank you for your recent email to our company.

Toyota Canada sets its prices (the Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) for its vehicles based on competitive factors in the Canadian market. However, the recent weakening of the US dollar and resulting narrowing of the US and Canadian exchange rate recently has made the purchase of products in the US attractive to Canadian consumers.

You may be interested to know also that Toyota vehicles distributed in the US and Canada may not have identical equipment or meet the same regulatory requirements. And, when Toyota Canada considers equipment on Toyota vehicles for the Canadian market, we select certain options and features, on a model-by-model basis, that we believe are best suited for Canada's challenging climatic and driving conditions.

When a US vehicle is brought into Canada, the importer must ensure it complies with Canadian regulatory requirements, like mandatory daylight running lights, an appropriate vehicle immobilization system, etc. In addition, the costs to retrofit or modify a vehicle in order for it to be brought into Canada are the responsibility of the owner or person importing the vehicle.

For further information on importing a vehicle to Canada, we suggest you visit the website of The Registrar of Imported Vehicles (a division of Transport Canada). The address is as follows: www.riv.ca . If you prefer, you may call them at 1-888-848-8240.

We hope this information is helpful to you.

Sincerely,

Nina Malik
Toyota Canada Inc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


SUMMARY: Apparently 50 miles further north the weather changes drastically enough to justify outfitting the car with all sorts of other features like.....?daytimerunninglights....and.......?

Has anybody heard any peeps about changes in RIV allowed vehicles? (at some point soon dealerships here will want to import the US fleet vehicles for used sale)?

[luxurytravel]

This predatory practice of the car dealers retroactively declaring their vehicles inadmissable for no good reason will get them into a lot of trouble. I think if someone launched a simple class action lawsuit based on violations of consumers laws etc. could walk away with a pretty nice settlement.

[Dreyfus]

My email to Toyota Canada a month ago:

I have a quick question. Why, in Canada, is the 2008 Prius MSRP $29,500.00
while over in Ogdensburg the MSRP for the same vehicle, same options , only
$22,325? After freight etc... that same Prius in the US comes out to
$23,513 while here in Canada it is $35,057. Are there plans to adjust the
Canadian MSRP or am I forced to spend my hard-earned dollars in another
country to enjoy a competitive free-market?


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Dear Mr. XXX:

Thank you for your recent email to our company.

Toyota Canada sets its prices (the Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) for its vehicles based on competitive factors in the Canadian market. However, the recent weakening of the US dollar and resulting narrowing of the US and Canadian exchange rate recently has made the purchase of products in the US attractive to Canadian consumers.

You may be interested to know also that Toyota vehicles distributed in the US and Canada may not have identical equipment or meet the same regulatory requirements. .................................................. ...................................

For further information on importing a vehicle to Canada, we suggest you visit the website of The Registrar of Imported Vehicles (a division of Transport Canada). The address is as follows: www.riv.ca . If you prefer, you may call them at 1-888-848-8240.

We hope this information is helpful to you.

Sincerely,

Nina Malik
Toyota Canada Inc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


SUMMARY: Apparently 50 miles further north the weather changes drastically enough to justify outfitting the car with all sorts of other features like.....?daytimerunninglights....and.......?

Has anybody heard any peeps about changes in RIV allowed vehicles? (at some point soon dealerships here will want to import the US fleet vehicles for used sale)?

I just love how she shifts the onus onto RIV. That big bad Lawrence Cannon Minister of transport is forcing us to do this. We your beloved Toyota Canada are simply conforming to the law of the land. LOLOL...

[HOiYA]

That is exactly what they are saying. My parents were down visiting me in San Francisco and bought a new 2008 Acura RDX. Luckily we purchased the car in my name, with the plan on transferring the car to them when I travel back to Vancouver at Xmas. When I talked to Acura USA, if I word it as transferring the car to my Canadian parents, then they would not provide me with the 2 letters. The CSR was kind enough to say *if* I was relocating to Canada and provided them a copy of my driver's license, registration, and proof of registration I would get the appropriate letters.

Sorry this doesn't help those who don't have family down in the states.
:|




So what they're saying is that post-Sep1 Acuras purchased by US residents are admissible, and post-Sep1 Acuras purchased by Canadian residents are inadmissible? Does the immobilizer function differently depending on the home address of the owner? :confused:

THAT's the kind of information that needs to be in newspapers.

[jnmontario]

My reply to Toyota:

Nina,

Thank you for your response. Aside from daytime running lights (DRL) and a slightly different engine immobilizer (though my interpretation of the documentation surrounding the engine immobilizer is that the immobilizers in the US are effectively the same), I'm curious as to what changes warrant a difference of over $10,000. I appreciate that the dollar parity is relatively recent, but the dollar has been quite close (within 10-15c of US) for 2 years now and the invoice/MSRP prices don't reflect that change. Instead, Canadians are paying FAR more for a nearly identical vehicle.

I honestly would love to buy a Toyota Prius. You have made a fabulous vehicle and I want to reduce my greenhouse gas footprint. That said, I can't afford the Canadian price. Additionally, I'm not sure if you think that with your move to close the loophole of importing US-bought vehicles into Canada, you would force Canadian consumers of your vehicles to buy Canadian. I firmly believe you'll find consumer backlash on this point - don't underestimate the value of having 10,000 after-tax dollars in your pocket. Many consumers (and I'm not exaggerating to make a point - check out the any number of web forums on automobile sites) are heading to the US still, but are instead purchasing Subarus because they're still allowing vehicles purchased in the US to be imported into Canada.


Sincerely,
JM

[jnmontario]

BUSTED 1,000,000 views!!!

[SeeWhy2]

BUSTED 1,000,000 views!!!

Amazing!

[michelb]

iDrive is standard in the X5 on all models. You have the manual? You can do the DLR yourself, easy. If you dont have idrive there is a way to do it as well. Easy. Ok just saved you 300 bucks and grief, I like imported beer please.

http://www.kyra.ca/drl/DRL3.gif

Thanks for the info. Actually, I'm curious how you do it without iDrive as well. Let us know. Thanks

[overboost]

Where are you located? There are a few independent BMW shops in the Toronto area that I can suggest to do this for you. If you aren't in the TO area, call around independent BMW garages and ask if they have a GT-1 programmer. This is what is needed to activate your lights.



Took it to CT for inspection. Was told I need to get a dealer to enable DRL. I called a dealer, and it gonna charge me $300. The worst part is that she can't schedule an appointment until Jan 2008. Fxxx. Now I am screwed.

I understand from other forums it only take a couple of minutes for dealer to do it, but the lady bragged it could take a few hours.

Any experience with that?

Good part is that RIV accepted "Warrenty inquiry letter" as "Recall clearance letter". Save me $500 that BMW Canada would like to charge for a piece of paper.

[LoDown]

....Sly Toyota is playing it AC/DC. They are Subaru's largest shareholder and therefore still profit from Canadian Subaru purchases in the US.



My reply to Toyota:

Nina,

Thank you for your response. Aside from daytime running lights (DRL) and a slightly different engine immobilizer (though my interpretation of the documentation surrounding the engine immobilizer is that the immobilizers in the US are effectively the same), I'm curious as to what changes warrant a difference of over $10,000. I appreciate that the dollar parity is relatively recent, but the dollar has been quite close (within 10-15c of US) for 2 years now and the invoice/MSRP prices don't reflect that change. Instead, Canadians are paying FAR more for a nearly identical vehicle.

I honestly would love to buy a Toyota Prius. You have made a fabulous vehicle and I want to reduce my greenhouse gas footprint. That said, I can't afford the Canadian price. Additionally, I'm not sure if you think that with your move to close the loophole of importing US-bought vehicles into Canada, you would force Canadian consumers of your vehicles to buy Canadian. I firmly believe you'll find consumer backlash on this point - don't underestimate the value of having 10,000 after-tax dollars in your pocket. Many consumers (and I'm not exaggerating to make a point - check out the any number of web forums on automobile sites) are heading to the US still, but are instead purchasing Subarus because they're still allowing vehicles purchased in the US to be imported into Canada.


Sincerely,
JM

[dsds]

After a lot of stress with the RIV changes, I can successfully report I've imported a 2008 Tacoma. A big thanks to this forum where I learned the entire process of importing by doing lots of searches and reading without asking already answered questions.

Crossed the border yesterday and the US side took 10 minutes. The Canadian side took maybe 20 minutes. The border agents emphasis seemed to be on repeatedly asking what I paid for the truck. I gave them the same answer every time and proved it once inside with the BOS.

Once home yesterday evening I paid RIV fees online, emailed RIV Form 1 and the Recall Letter. RIV emailed me Form 2 this afternoon. Canadian Tire was a breeze since the DRL relay was done thanks to ToyotaNation forum info.

Saved over 10K but it was extremely stressful because of the changing RIV list. Probably took a hit on the health side but what a great feeling of accomplishment now that it is a done deal. A bit of luck with the manufacturing date but had several 2007's to fall back on.

Good luck with your own import and read this forum daily!

[overboost]

Which email address did you email the form 1 and recall letter to?

I faxed my papers to RIV on Tuesday. I called them back the day after asking them to email me form 2. They said it takes 2-3 business days for them to process the papers and for it to be in the system, and to call back in a few days. Thursday, I call them back...and they said the fax I sent them was illegible. WTH?!! I had to refax it. Now the earliest I can get my form 2 is Monday or Tuesday, according to them.

If I can email my papers to them and get a speedier response...it would be perfect.




After a lot of stress with the RIV changes, I can successfully report I've imported a 2008 Tacoma. A big thanks to this forum where I learned the entire process of importing by doing lots of searches and reading without asking already answered questions.

Crossed the border yesterday and the US side took 10 minutes. The Canadian side took maybe 20 minutes. The border agents emphasis seemed to be on repeatedly asking what I paid for the truck. I gave them the same answer every time and proved it once inside with the BOS.

Once home yesterday evening I paid RIV fees online, emailed RIV Form 1 and the Recall Letter. RIV emailed me Form 2 this afternoon. Canadian Tire was a breeze since the DRL relay was done thanks to ToyotaNation forum info.

Saved over 10K but it was extremely stressful because of the changing RIV list. Probably took a hit on the health side but what a great feeling of accomplishment now that it is a done deal. A bit of luck with the manufacturing date but had several 2007's to fall back on.

Good luck with your own import and read this forum daily!

[Carisear]

i just noticed ... there are over ONE MILLION page views.

Car companies -- we aren't sheep that you can herd!

[lilmikey]

i just noticed ... there are over ONE MILLION page views.

Car companies -- we aren't sheep that you can herd!


Congrats to everyone that has imported already, and congrats to RedFlagDeals for this thread of +1Million Views.

Lets get another Million..............

[dsds]

As per RIV.ca recall page, it showed to email them at recall@riv.ca.
Why fax when you can email? I was very impressed with the speed of RIV. I included Form 1 in my email since they probably had not even received it from customs yet. Hope this helps.

RECALL... RECALL!! Total Recall was a kick ass movie at the time.




Which email address did you email the form 1 and recall letter to?

I faxed my papers to RIV on Tuesday. I called them back the day after asking them to email me form 2. They said it takes 2-3 business days for them to process the papers and for it to be in the system, and to call back in a few days. Thursday, I call them back...and they said the fax I sent them was illegible. WTH?!! I had to refax it. Now the earliest I can get my form 2 is Monday or Tuesday, according to them.

If I can email my papers to them and get a speedier response...it would be perfect.

[dotcalamitie]

Well my 2007 Prius is now sitting in my driveway! My only beef is that it was a smokers car. They should have told me before I travelled down to pick it up. What a great car!!! Totally impressed. OTOH, I spent the day in my nephews MDX and holy crap is that an amazing, amazing SUV. Tribeca is not anywhere near the class of vehicle the MDX is. And I love the Tribeca. Boy, one would be hard pressed to buy a Mercedes or X5 over the MDX...it just doesn't get much better than the MDX.

[overboost]

Thanks for the clarification. I never checked the recall page on their site untul now. I should've gone the email route in the first place. I had only gotten the fax info from the page 'what to do after your vehicle enters canada.'



As per RIV.ca recall page, it showed to email them at recall@riv.ca.
Why fax when you can email? I was very impressed with the speed of RIV. I included Form 1 in my email since they probably had not even received it from customs yet. Hope this helps.

RECALL... RECALL!! Total Recall was a kick ass movie at the time.

[happyandrew]

iDrive is standard in the X5 on all models. You have the manual? You can do the DLR yourself, easy. If you dont have idrive there is a way to do it as well. Easy. Ok just saved you 300 bucks and grief, I like imported beer please.

http://www.kyra.ca/drl/DRL3.gif

Never thought it is that easy. Searched this forum and bimmerfest, and couldn't find any DIY solutions. Everybody pointed to BMW dealers. With your info, I did it in one minute. Kamloops rock. PM me I may drop you some beer.
Thanks RFDers.

[happyandrew]

Glad they are still accepting the warranty inquiry at RIV.

In terms of the DRL that is a load of crap. Look around for an independant BMW servise place to do it for you. Then after you get it done call the dealer back and tell them they lost all your maintenance business because of their attitude.

I guess I was lucky, I had my dealer in the US do it for me N/C.

Thanks flatman for your tips. It saved me $500 which might go to BMW Canada as a penalty for importing instead of buying in Canada.

[happyandrew]

First, it doesn't matter who does it as long as it's done so you certainly don't have to wait for the dealership.

Second, there's no way you can't find a garage that services BMWs (even the dealership) that can't give you an appointment in at most 1-2 weeks. What if you needed brakes serviced? Would you wait 2 months for an appointment?

While talking to BMW dealers here in Calgary, once they heard that you wanted a recall letter or DRL, they knew I had an imported BMW. I feel they just tried to give me some hard time.

[overboost]

Easy to get rid of the smoke smell. Go to an auto detailer and ask them if they have an ozone machine. They put the machine in the car for a couple hours and your car will smell fresh and new. No more smokey smell, period. Most detailing shops offer this service.



Well my 2007 Prius is now sitting in my driveway! My only beef is that it was a smokers car. They should have told me before I travelled down to pick it up. What a great car!!! Totally impressed. OTOH, I spent the day in my nephews MDX and holy crap is that an amazing, amazing SUV. Tribeca is not anywhere near the class of vehicle the MDX is. And I love the Tribeca. Boy, one would be hard pressed to buy a Mercedes or X5 over the MDX...it just doesn't get much better than the MDX.

[Kvach]

Has anyone taken their brand new US purchased vehicle to a Canadian dealer for service? What was the experience?

[Kamloops]

Never thought it is that easy. Searched this forum and bimmerfest, and couldn't find any DIY solutions. Everybody pointed to BMW dealers. With your info, I did it in one minute. Kamloops rock. PM me I may drop you some beer.
Thanks RFDers.

Can not believe the dealer was going to charge you 300 bucks for this. You should call the BBB on that. What a bunch of scumbags! What dealer? I hope you call them on it. Call the Manager!

For those that have a Beamer without idrive you may be able to
program DRLs, drive-away locking etc using the indicator stalk as you can in some models.

Manual for with idrive idrive http://www.e90post.com/goodiesforyou/e90_manual-Sept05.pdf

Manual without idrive http://vivekk.e90post.com/e90%20manual%20Sept05%20%28without%20IDRIVE%29.pdf

http://www.kyra.ca/dlr/DLRs.gifhttp://www.kyra.ca/dlr/DLR2.gif

[Dreyfus]

===

Montreal, October 31, 2007

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

Transport Canada
330 Sparks Street
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 0N5

Registrar of Imported Vehicles
405 The West Mall
Toronto, Ontario
M9C 5K7

Sir/Madam:

I am the attorney for [removed]. My clients intend to import into Canada a 2008 model Toyota Prius purchased in the United States. They have been told by representatives of both Transport Canada (TC) and the Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV) that they will not be able to import and register this vehicle in Canada because Toyota’s 2008 models do not appear on the list of admissible vehicles published on the RIV and TC web sites.

TC’s policy is to not list a vehicle on the admissible list unless they have received a letter from the manufacturer stating that the vehicle in questions meets Canadian Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (CMVSS). My clients have contacted Toyota USA and they have stated flatly that they refuse to supply such a letter as their policy is to restrict exports of their vehicles from the US into Canada.

The responsibility of RIV and TC with respect to the import process is limited to ensuring compliance with Canadian Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (CMVSS). My clients submit that the 2008 Toyota Prius meets all Canadian standards with the exception of Daytime Running Lights, which is a simple modification. The vehicle they intend to import is otherwise identical to those being sold by Canadian Toyota dealers in Canada.

This letter constitutes formal notice that you are required to either:

a) allow my clients to import and register a 2008 model Toyota Prius in Canada, or

b) specify in writing, within three businesss days of your receipt of this letter, the specific Canadian safety standards that the 2008 Prius does not meet.

Otherwise, legal action may be taken against you immediately and without further notice. Be advised that such action may include a demand for reimbursement of legal fees, costs incurred by my clients due to your delay or refusal to allow the import and registration, as well as punitive and exemplary damages.

DO GOVERN YOURSELVES ACCORDINGLY.

Signature
Your address and telephone number

Look in www.edmunds.com forums search canada + import to get the context in which this letter can be used. Also take note of delivery methods.

[twp]

Wait a minute... If were possible to gather together a collection of letters provided to legitimate US customers intending to move up to Canada, then couldn't that collection of letters put the lie to the roadblocks put in front of Canadians importing cars. And wouldn't that collection, be suitable fodder for a lawyer to a) send a letter demanding justification for holding back such letters, b) provide the media with something a little more concrete to raise the issue or c) argueing with RIV?

One step further to demonstrate the underhanded nature of this process, would be for a Canadian to buy a car, and then try to get the required documentation, and then after refusal, sell it to an american and have that person seek for and collect the appropriate paperwork. A half dozen distinct examples of such would eliminate the validity of any argument about a vehicle not meeting required Canadian specs.




That is exactly what they are saying. My parents were down visiting me in San Francisco and bought a new 2008 Acura RDX. Luckily we purchased the car in my name, with the plan on transferring the car to them when I travel back to Vancouver at Xmas. When I talked to Acura USA, if I word it as transferring the car to my Canadian parents, then they would not provide me with the 2 letters. The CSR was kind enough to say *if* I was relocating to Canada and provided them a copy of my driver's license, registration, and proof of registration I would get the appropriate letters.

Sorry this doesn't help those who don't have family down in the states.
:|

[Snocow]

I am picking up a 4 Cyl 2008 Toyota Camry SE with the following options:
- JBL Premium w/6 Disc In-dash CD Changer
- Aluminum Wheels
- Color-Keyed Rear Spoiler
- Moonroof Package: Power Tilt/Slide
- Vehicle Stability Control
- Preferred Accessory Package

Price is 22,900 Out the Door. They have provided their account # for my wire transfer. What kind of documentation are you guys getting before wiring the $$$.

Some of you have emailed me asking which dealer....unfortunately, unless you have been around here a long time with many posts I haven't been replying. At least not until my deal is done! Toyota dealers willing to sell to canadians are dropping like flys!

Had an argument with my insurance company TD Insurance - they will now cover me during transit from USA to Canada.

I would like to deal with someone who has already imported via PM's re documentation for import...I want to make sure I miss nothing...any volunteers "Please"

[dotcalamitie]

That is a great legal letter Dreyfus. I would also continue to contend the issue of discrimination wondering why it is OK for Americans and Mexicans to drive their "dangerous and unsafe" designed for the American market 2008 Prius in Canada for up to 6 months a year and a Canadian can not.

[scrolllock]

It seems to me that all the traffic on this site on the week-end, might be indicative of folks that really want to import a car, and those with isses.

Car Dealers and most spies, (reading thru this site and some causing negative vibes.).. working for the Car industry are out trying to screw other people on the weekend. ... their friends and neighbors.... etc... ( practice for when they get back to the office on Monday!)

Just a thought!

[Monsieurmaggot]

What is "registering"? In going through the how-to on carburner.com I noticed that in NY you have to pay a $15 registration fee. I know I'm stretching here but......

EDIT: Never mind. I was grasping at straws. http://www.nysdmv.com/register.htm

As I understand it, the $15 registration fee in NY is applicable since it is used to "register the vehicle sale". It's not the vehicle DMV registration fee.

[bluemule999]

Sent to:

Harper.S@parl.gc.ca; Cannon.L@parl.gc.ca; Emerson.D@parl.gc.ca; Flaherty.J@parl.gc.ca

Gentlemen,

I suggest you wake up and get informed. The issue of Canadian prices being higher then the equivalent products in the US will not go away. Especially auto prices. I strongly urge you to get informed. The attached link is a forum where people are sharing information on how to import cars from the US. It has just surpassed 1 Million hits. People are getting more and more angry at Transport Canada and the RIV process. The auto manufacturers tactics of blocking sales to Canadians is obvious, wrong, and goes against fair competition, if not illegal. I and others expect and demand action from the Canadian Government. The Minister of Finance words were encouraging, but they were just words. Action, action, action!!! Elections are around the corner, and the Canadian people are watching and will hold you responsible for helping take hard earned money out of their pockets!!! Each RFD person has shared this forum with family, friends, and co-workers. Look at the
auto import statistics for the last few months. They are increasing and will continue to rise dramatically given the savings in the $10,000 area. I urge you not to ignore this issue. Get informed and take action!!!


http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=307601

[Monsieurmaggot]

I'll still wait the three days before crossing border and get the stamp. I'm just wondering if there is anything else preventing me from skipping the registration process. I'll have temp tags, MCO, and bill of sale.

Your vehicle hasn't been successfully "exported" from the US.

I've received emails from people telling me they bypassed the US Customs process altogether. One person commented that they were threatened with a $500 fine after the fact.

There was some comments made on this thread about it as well.

I would imagine it's RIV's responsibility to ensure the vehicle was properly exported.

Curious to hear if anyone has actually done this a while ago and live to tell about it.

[scrolllock]

It seems to me that all the traffic on this site on the week-end, might be indicative of folks that really want to import a car, and those with isses.

Car Dealers and most spies, (reading thru this site and some causing negative vibes.).. working for the Car industy are out trying to screw other people on the weekend. ... their friends and neighbors.... etc... ( practice for when they get back to the office on Monday!)

Just a thought!

why can't u go thru all the paperwork without actually bringing the car into Canada.. The only time u really need the car is when you go to Canadian Tire.

Tell your US dealer you will give him the check once u have the plates on or an approved form 2 ( same approach is used for proof of insurance), or arrange some kind of deal to flip it back if you fail. Smart dealers in the US would offer this service...

Then take pictures for the border folks ( if required) when I went Thru they didn't need to inspect or look at the car... Just give me form 1 and I will pay the GST when I pass thru.... with My form 2 when I pick up the car.

Just a thought ...

[whampoa]

Your vehicle hasn't been successfully "exported" from the US.

I've received emails from people telling me they bypassed the US Customs process altogether. One person commented that they were threatened with a $500 fine after the fact.

There was some comments made on this thread about it as well.

I would imagine it's RIV's responsibility to ensure the vehicle was properly exported.

Curious to hear if anyone has actually done this a while ago and live to tell about it.

After reading through a gazillion posts, it's my understanding that if you intend to skip US custom, don't plan to return to the US anytime or at all.

Because technically the vehicle is considered not exportable, lien against it or worse stolen.

So if you're one of the unlucky one, and have to go to the US with your shining new ride. And the US custom decide, for whatever reason, to check you un-export US vehicle, select one of the above reason to have your vehicle pounded.

[BigCheap]

Not US built? Did you pay a high duty?



I did not buy one yet. I live 1.5 hours from Burlington VT but the dealership states they cannot sell to Canadians http://www.lewisacura.com/sales-to-non-us-citizens.htm

I'm tempted to buy a one-year old TL Type S. The savings are incredible. But warranty would be an issue for me as my 2yr old TSX had a rack and pinion recently changed (under warranty)

I purchased a new Acura MDX from Lewis Acura in Burlington. I simply provided them with the address of a friend in another state. No hassle, no state taxes and huge savings. The vehicle will be titled to you at that address. This is not an issue when you get to the border since all paperwork is in your name. If you don't no anyone just make up an address in another state.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Hi:

Can those who got their plates on a new car purchase from the US - please advice which Provincial Licensing Office you went to in Toronto - which do not require safety inspection. I am getting the run around from one of the offices. All the other work is done and was planning to get the plates tomorrow. Thanks in advance.

McCowan and Sheppard gave me a hassle initially until I told the clerk to call the MTO directly. The clerk insisted I needed an emission and safety.

I held my ground and showed her the "new" indication on the bill of sale.

After she called their support number, I was issued my plates without any testing.

[flatman]

I noticed something interesting in a review of the "Bullit" Mustang in the Toronto Star today. Towards the end of the review Jim Kenzie points out:


"As for price, Ford has some explaining to do.

The day we drove this car, the Canadian dollar was sitting at $1.10 (U.S.). Yet the Bullitt's Canadian price is $38,494, consisting of $33,999 for the base GT and a $4,495 hit for the Bullitt package.

Not bad in itself.

But in the States, the car lists at $31,075, which at an exchange rate of $1.10 is $28,250 Canadian. That's a difference of $10,244, or 36 per cent, more in Canada!

No amount of "higher cost of doing business in Canada" can explain that away.

So if you want a Mustang Bullitt, there's got to be a Ford dealer in Buffalo who would love to see your big fat Canadian loonies – if a Canadian dealer can't tempt you with incentives."


NICE!!!!!

[LoveRFD]

I purchased a new Acura MDX from Lewis Acura in Burlington. I simply provided them with the address of a friend in another state. No hassle, no state taxes and huge savings. The vehicle will be titled to you at that address. This is not an issue when you get to the border since all paperwork is in your name. If you don't no anyone just make up an address in another state.

Could this be possible to work?

[p110232]

I purchased a new Acura MDX from Lewis Acura in Burlington. I simply provided them with the address of a friend in another state. No hassle, no state taxes and huge savings. The vehicle will be titled to you at that address. This is not an issue when you get to the border since all paperwork is in your name. If you don't no anyone just make up an address in another state.

:idea: If this is a valid loophole, then that fixes the issue of importing BMWs, Audis, Toyotas, etc. The manufacturers use a person's address to communicate mandatory things such as recalls (to legally cover their arses). Other than that, it's for the customer surveys and marketing letters. If an important letter from the manufacturer/dealer is sent to your friends/relatives house, they can always forward that letter to you, so that covers that. This is interesting...

BigCheap, congratulations on your successful MDX import, and thanks for sharing this bit of info.

[larman2001]

I purchased a new Acura MDX from Lewis Acura in Burlington. I simply provided them with the address of a friend in another state. No hassle, no state taxes and huge savings. The vehicle will be titled to you at that address. This is not an issue when you get to the border since all paperwork is in your name. If you don't no anyone just make up an address in another state.

I have an Amerifriend in NY that I can do that with but now the issue is the Acura warranty, or lack of it. Infiniti is looking better now for my driveway.

[p110232]

So if you want a Mustang Bullitt, there's got to be a Ford dealer in Buffalo who would love to see your big fat Canadian loonies – if a Canadian dealer can't tempt you with incentives."
NICE!!!!!

Go Kenzie!

We need more journalists on our side... I hope this article snowballs Kenzie followers into importing from the US, and create chain reactions through word-of-mouth

[vim]

I heared from the reliable source that transport canada decided to allow retrofitt immobilizer to be compliant with canadian standards. Expect announcement next week. That should take care of many inadmissible 2008 cars.
Now if you know anything about electronic and cars - start a business to installing these "canadian standard" immobilizers. There will be a lot of money there :-).

[p110232]

I have an Amerifriend in NY that I can do that with but now the issue is the Acura warranty, or lack of it. Infiniti is looking better now for my driveway.

It's only Acura/Honda who refuses the warranty, no?

So that leaves you with plenty of choices... among them, there's the yummy 335i ;)

[diigii]

I noticed something interesting in a review of the "Bullit" Mustang in the Toronto Star today. Towards the end of the review Jim Kenzie points out:


"As for price, Ford has some explaining to do.

The day we drove this car, the Canadian dollar was sitting at $1.10 (U.S.). Yet the Bullitt's Canadian price is $38,494, consisting of $33,999 for the base GT and a $4,495 hit for the Bullitt package.

Not bad in itself.

But in the States, the car lists at $31,075, which at an exchange rate of $1.10 is $28,250 Canadian. That's a difference of $10,244, or 36 per cent, more in Canada!

No amount of "higher cost of doing business in Canada" can explain that away.

So if you want a Mustang Bullitt, there's got to be a Ford dealer in Buffalo who would love to see your big fat Canadian loonies – if a Canadian dealer can't tempt you with incentives."


NICE!!!!!

I posted my opinion of Jim Kenzie months ago here in this forum. This is proof why I believe what he says in his column. Jim Kenzie is credibility at his best! Not the same can be said of DesRosiers The Mathematician! :D

[ziploc]

I heared from the reliable source that transport canada decided to allow retrofitt immobilizer to be compliant with canadian standards. Expect announcement next week. That should take care of many inadmissible 2008 cars.
Now if you know anything about electronic and cars - start a business to installing these "canadian standard" immobilizers. There will be a lot of money there :-).

Good news...i hope they (TC) realise that they can't just act like manufacturers puppets.....TC only responsibility is too ensure that imported cars meet standards and they have to be impartial...

[dotcalamitie]

Man this US 2007 Prius I just got is a panic. You start the car and the motor doesn't start. I love the USA! $22,300 US $35,000 CDN! And my neighbor across the street just paid god knows what for his new one at the Toyota dealer.

[dotcalamitie]

BTW my people got to the border after 4 PM and were still able to cross over even though they said they don't do cars after that time. I think Queenston.

[tweetie]

Good point, I was speaking of BMW Canada.

Must be nice to live close enough to the border that it's a non-issue :)

We just imported a 2006 BMW 3-series and the US dealer will honor the CPO warranty and maintenance, but the Canadian dealers will not. Canadian dealers will only honor the original manufacturer's warranty.

We are hoping that for any of the bigger BMW services, that we can time it with a holiday to the US and get things done at the same time.

[tweetie]

Thank you for all the great information in the thread - we've been able to bring in a 2006 BMW from the US and so far everything has gone well with the info in this thread.

My only problem is the Form 2. RIV e-mailed it to me and I did not know what it was supposed to look like. I took the car into CT today for the Fed Inspection, and the guy commented that the middle section (Section 4) was blank under modifications required. He wondered if RIV forgot to put something there since he has never seen a blank one before.

Has this happened to anyone else? He said he couldn't really do the Fed inspection because of it.

[shopper-X]

Here is Form#2 with Section 4
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6901/form2rfdfi5.png

[showMeAnImport]

Has anyone imported a Lexus GX470? If so, how was your experience?...

Thanks

[tweetie]

^^ Thanks for posting that. That's what the other ones looked like that were in the store, but mine was all blank in both columns. Crap - I think the RIV people must have forgotten to fill out that section for me. Looks like I'll need to wait till they re-open on Tues to fix it.

[master_wa]

so has anyone imported a car and successfully resold it for profit?

[endura]

so has anyone imported a car and successfully resold it for profit?

judging by the number of cars I see in auto trader with U.S. instrument gauges, MPH bigger than km/h, I'd say yes.

[accorder]

source Canada.com (http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/editorial/story.html?id=f824be1b-f2f7-4aa6-a4c2-525769ad0e41)

It sometimes seems as if many of Canada's so-called capitalists believe in the free-market system in about the same way that many Renaissance cardinals believed in chastity: A good idea as long as it doesn't interfere too badly with what you really want to do.

From artificially high prices for chicken, eggs and milk to corporate welfare for a whole range of companies in selected industries, government can't resist tinkering with free markets. And those who prosper from these practices don't mind a bit.

Against this background, the loonie's surge against the U.S. dollar has brought us more examples of corporate avoidance, shall we say, of genuine free-market economics. We had Bombardier, for example, forbidding U.S. dealers from selling Ski-Doos to Canadians. Book publishers continue to charge Canadians high prices for their wares. And purveyors of many different kinds of products have refused to honour warranties on goods bought in the United States.

Now there's a new case which appears to combine the worst features of government meddling and corporate dual-pricing. This one involves the auto industry, and the apparent complacent co-operation of the federal government.
Robert Lamb of Kirkland found out to his horror late last month that Transport Canada was saying he could no longer drive his shiny new Honda Civic in Canada.

Lamb had bought the car less than a month earlier from a dealer in the United States, saving about $5,000 over the Canadian list price in the process. He went through all the complicated Canada Customs and Transport Canada routines, and paid all the requisite taxes before bringing the vehicle home.

But that was all to no avail, as The Gazette's Jan Ravensbergen reported yesterday: On Oct. 29, federal authorities informed Lamb somewhat belatedly that his Honda doesn't meet Canadian standards - even though it had been assembled in Ontario!

They claimed it lacks some kind of compulsory anti-theft device; he's not so sure of that. You can't fault the feds for enforcing safety standards, but what makes this smell a little is that according to George Iny, the president of the Automobile Protection Association, Canada's Registrar of Imported Vehicles relies on the manufacturers to certify whether their vehicles meet all our safety, environmental and other regulatory standards. Talk about leaving the fox in charge of the henhouse.

Registrar of what, you ask? The Registrar of Imported Vehicles, a private company subcontracted by Transport Canada, applies Transport Canada's rules, some of which are, the department says, "subject to revision without notice." Consumer beware.

Honda might be just doing its civic duty here, but some will wonder how it is that an anti-theft device that was good enough for 2007 cars is no longer good enough for 2008 cars. Toyota, too, has several models no longer certified for Canada, for similar reasons. You do remain free to buy more expensive cars in this country, however.

The federal government, so far mute about the case, really needs to explain this.

The auto industry is seamlessly integrated, with new cars and new parts moving freely across the Canada-U.S. border in the hands of the companies,without duty. But the same free market isn't available to consumers.

Canadian consumers can't catch a break. Whether the dollar is high or low, they can't seem to make the market system work for them. From egg prices to auto imports, government is not on the side of the little guy.

more Canadain auto pricing developments and news here http://ataleoftwoprices.com/forum/forums/8.aspx

[showMeAnImport]

It's only Acura/Honda who refuses the warranty, no?

So that leaves you with plenty of choices... among them, there's the yummy 335i ;)

Could someone please clarify what the skinny is on this exactly? Before anyone flames me for wasting their time etc., I have searched but can't find anything comprehensive...There is such a high volume of posts here (which is a good thing) that it makes it difficult...

I have some specific questions in regards to warranty...

1) If I were to go to the states right now and buy a USED vehicle and the vehicle still had a US factory warranty remaining on it would I still have the remainder of the warranty honoured in Canada? That is, would Honda, or any of the manufacturers for that matter, distinguish between a NEW vehicle vs a USED vehicle being imported when it comes to determining whether or not they would honour the warranty in Canada? Another way to put it --> Is Honda, for example, saying that they will not honour any warranties for vehicles that are being imported from the US period (ie: new or used)?

2) My next question is concerning Toyota and Lexus specifically...What is the experience people are having when importing Toyota and Lexus products specifically? I ask this in the context of point #1 above...ie: Will Toyota/Lexus honour warranty in Canada for imported USED vehicles only, NEW vehicles only, both, or neither? At one point I heard on the news etc. that Toyota was honouring warranties on US cars and then I heard at one point recently that they no longer are...

Thanks

[Rehan]

For warranty, it usually doesn't matter whether the vehicle is "new" or "used". Honda/Acura will not honor warranty on either one; Toyota/Lexus will honor warranty in both cases.

For sales, it does matter whether the vehicle is new or used. Many manufacturers including Honda and Toyota will not sell new vehicles to Canadians, but they are willing to sell used ones.

[zare]

I did search the thread, but didn’t found anyone with this kind of experience. I have a corporation, and will like to try to import on company name.
Anyone?

[jnmontario]

The first rule of fight club is that there is no flight club!


Sent to:

Harper.S@parl.gc.ca; Cannon.L@parl.gc.ca; Emerson.D@parl.gc.ca; Flaherty.J@parl.gc.ca

Gentlemen,

I suggest you wake up and get informed. The issue of Canadian prices being higher then the equivalent products in the US will not go away. Especially auto prices. I strongly urge you to get informed. The attached link is a forum where people are sharing information on how to import cars from the US. It has just surpassed 1 Million hits. People are getting more and more angry at Transport Canada and the RIV process. The auto manufacturers tactics of blocking sales to Canadians is obvious, wrong, and goes against fair competition, if not illegal. I and others expect and demand action from the Canadian Government. The Minister of Finance words were encouraging, but they were just words. Action, action, action!!! Elections are around the corner, and the Canadian people are watching and will hold you responsible for helping take hard earned money out of their pockets!!! Each RFD person has shared this forum with family, friends, and co-workers. Look at the
auto import statistics for the last few months. They are increasing and will continue to rise dramatically given the savings in the $10,000 area. I urge you not to ignore this issue. Get informed and take action!!!


http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=307601

[master_wa]

I did search the thread, but didn’t found anyone with this kind of experience. I have a corporation, and will like to try to import on company name.
Anyone?

what advantage will this give you?

[showMeAnImport]

For warranty, it usually doesn't matter whether the vehicle is "new" or "used". Honda/Acura will not honor warranty on either one; Toyota/Lexus will honor warranty in both cases.

For sales, it does matter whether the vehicle is new or used. Many manufacturers including Honda and Toyota will not sell new vehicles to Canadians, but they are willing to sell used ones.

Okay...thank you very much...that clears things up for me...It must have been Toyota's recent change in policy about not allowing their US dealers to sell new to Canadians that I was thinking about...Glad to hear about the warranty for Toyota/Lexus...

Honda is making a bad decision here I think...gonna lose some serious business over their decision me thinks...both for imports and purchases in Canada...Knowing that they are operating like this would make me consider another manufacturer within Canada if I was looking to buy new here at home...screw em'....

Manufacturers making blatent moves like that against the consumer will not be seeing any of my money...makes me want to sell my Accord it annoys me so much...just the principle of it...

[sheriffabc]

I did search the thread, but didn’t found anyone with this kind of experience. I have a corporation, and will like to try to import on company name.
Anyone?

I dont think it matters whether you are a corporation or a person - same rules
- advantage, GST writeoff and PST offset if eligible - but import rules the same

[zare]

what advantage will this give you?

Well, all the advantages as regular purchase, plus credit standing after payoff, all services and maintenance will be expense for the company, much better looking in front of the tax man (then to expense private vehicle) ...

[frankmp]

I noticed something interesting in a review of the "Bullit" Mustang in the Toronto Star today. Towards the end of the review Jim Kenzie points out:


"As for price, Ford has some explaining to do.

The day we drove this car, the Canadian dollar was sitting at $1.10 (U.S.). Yet the Bullitt's Canadian price is $38,494, consisting of $33,999 for the base GT and a $4,495 hit for the Bullitt package.

Not bad in itself.

But in the States, the car lists at $31,075, which at an exchange rate of $1.10 is $28,250 Canadian. That's a difference of $10,244, or 36 per cent, more in Canada!

No amount of "higher cost of doing business in Canada" can explain that away.

So if you want a Mustang Bullitt, there's got to be a Ford dealer in Buffalo who would love to see your big fat Canadian loonies – if a Canadian dealer can't tempt you with incentives."


NICE!!!!!

Now Kenzie's got this overpricing figured out!!

Frank

[scouzi]

I did search the thread, but didn’t found anyone with this kind of experience. I have a corporation, and will like to try to import on company name.
Anyone?

I imported mine in my corporation name. The dealer made the invoice to my corporation.

Just in case , I brought my company book with me with the share ownership, revenue Canada number etc.

The Canadian border services made the mistake of filling out FORM 1 under my personal name. I sorted everything out at provincial registration level.

[scouzi]

Well, all the advantages as regular purchase, plus credit standing after payoff, all services and maintenance will be expense for the company, much better looking in front of the tax man (then to expense private vehicle) ...

Don't forget the $30k limit rule!

[scouzi]

Thank you for all the great information in the thread - we've been able to bring in a 2006 BMW from the US and so far everything has gone well with the info in this thread.

My only problem is the Form 2. RIV e-mailed it to me and I did not know what it was supposed to look like. I took the car into CT today for the Fed Inspection, and the guy commented that the middle section (Section 4) was blank under modifications required. He wondered if RIV forgot to put something there since he has never seen a blank one before.

Has this happened to anyone else? He said he couldn't really do the Fed inspection because of it.

Tell him it's not his job to oversee the RIV. He should do as Form 2 says.

[scrolllock]

There seems to be these two guys by the Name of Robert Lamb and Clement Doyon that are trying to get the issue of admissibility resolved. I know that some people have been told that Transport Canada is working on the solution for us, but what if it doesn't pan out? What if they only resolve the problem for half of us? We will have lost any momentum that is being achieved with the following articles and TV spots..

Article in the Ottawa Citizen :

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=c0fcc0c3-8964-441e-abbd-731d7941a06b&k=86936

Quebec man's new Civic is car without a country
Allowed last month, car built in Ontario now banned from Canada
Jan Ravensbergen, Montreal Gazette
Published: Thursday, November 08, 2007
MONTREAL - Robert Lamb dutifully jumped through all the Transport Canada hoops.

.


Main editorial of the Montreal Gazette last Friday...

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/editorial/story.html?id=f824be1b-f2f7-4aa6-a4c2-525769ad0e41

Free market is not so free for consumers
The Gazette
Published: Friday, November 09
It sometimes seems as if many of Canada's so-called capitalists believe in the free-market system in about the same way that many Renaissance cardinals believed in chastity: A good idea as long as it doesn't interfere too badly with what you really want to do.



Letters to the editor today.

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/letters/story.html?id=9179a0c6-c224-4c87-8dd3-d0986c8bd029





Mr Lamb and M. Doyon also made TV last night on RDI.
You might have a hard time finding it but here are the instructions:
http://www.radio-canada.ca/actualite/v2/telejournal_montreal/index.shtml?r=2

go to the above link.... on the right click on Novemeber 9th
click on the reportage... you have to listen for around twenty minutes before it pops up... apparently they haven't archived it separately yet.

Anyway my point is it looks like these folks are trying to get people together. If you have issues with you car right now, I suggest you forward your case to the Montreal Gazette reporter JAN RAVENSBERGEN Ravensbergen, janrthegazette.canwest.com He is a very credible person and I am sure he will respect your confidentiality and at the same time put u in contact with these folks.

Strength in numbers... we need to ban together to have this ridiculous situation resolved.

[Monsieurmaggot]

:idea: If this is a valid loophole, then that fixes the issue of importing BMWs, Audis, Toyotas, etc. The manufacturers use a person's address to communicate mandatory things such as recalls (to legally cover their arses). Other than that, it's for the customer surveys and marketing letters. If an important letter from the manufacturer/dealer is sent to your friends/relatives house, they can always forward that letter to you, so that covers that. This is interesting...

BigCheap, congratulations on your successful MDX import, and thanks for sharing this bit of info.

....Except that in most cases, that's the address that will receive the recall letter.

In the case of Subaru, the rebate cheque for any warranty work goes to the address on file (source cars101.com and edmunds.com).

Might work if it's a friend or relative, but I certainly wouldn't use a fictitious address.

[drwzer]

Your vehicle hasn't been successfully "exported" from the US.

I've received emails from people telling me they bypassed the US Customs process altogether. One person commented that they were threatened with a $500 fine after the fact.

There was some comments made on this thread about it as well.

I would imagine it's RIV's responsibility to ensure the vehicle was properly exported.

Curious to hear if anyone has actually done this a while ago and live to tell about it.

I don't think I'm explaining this correctly. I am NOT planning on skipping the border stop to get my MCO stamped by American agents. And I am NOT planning on skipping the stop on the Canadian side. All I'm thinking about is skipping the registration process with the NY DMV. Just like all the other Subaru buyers are able to do however I'm not buying a Subaru. The dealer is giving me all the documents to LEGALLY cross border because I've told him I intend to register the car first in NY but he knows that I will immediately export the vehicle after getting the title from the NY DMV. Most dealers ensure the car is registered by sending the documents directly to DMV but because this dealer is out of State, he is giving me the documents.

andrew

[Monsieurmaggot]

BTW my people got to the border after 4 PM and were still able to cross over even though they said they don't do cars after that time. I think Queenston.

US or Canada Customs?

If memory serves me Canada Customs at Lewiston processes cars 24/7. The US export side closes at 1600ET.

[flatman]

....Except that in most cases, that's the address that will receive the recall letter.

In the case of Subaru, the rebate cheque for any warranty work goes to the address on file (source cars101.com and edmunds.com).

Might work if it's a friend or relative, but I certainly wouldn't use a fictitious address.

Not sure if this is possible but, maybe you can update a few weeks later with your "new" address. People move all the time afterall :)

[Monsieurmaggot]

I don't think I'm explaining this correctly. I am NOT planning on skipping the border stop to get my MCO stamped by American agents. And I am NOT planning on skipping the stop on the Canadian side. All I'm thinking about is skipping the registration process with the NY DMV. Just like all the other Subaru buyers are able to do however I'm not buying a Subaru. The dealer is giving me all the documents to LEGALLY cross border because I've told him I intend to register the car first in NY but he knows that I will immediately export the vehicle after getting the title from the NY DMV. Most dealers ensure the car is registered by sending the documents directly to DMV but because this dealer is out of State, he is giving me the documents.

andrew

My vehicle was purchased in NY state and was never registered there.

I paid a $15 fee which went to NY state's treasury not their DMV when the sale of my vehicle was registered.

I think there's some confusion on this. I suppose I didn't need to pay the $15 fee but that amount (like that of a transit permit) is inconsequential.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Not sure if this is possible but, maybe you can update a few weeks later with your "new" address. People move all the time afterall :)

Way back when I purchased my Subaru, the person I spoke to at Subaru of America mentioned that I should register at mysubaru.com to ensure that they have a way to contact me. At this site I can check the status of my maintenance work, confirm the mileage, personal contact information (address, phone number....) and more importantly, see if there are any outstanding recalls. Naturally you will need a valid Subaru VIN number to register on the site.

I was told if I kept this information accurate, I would be all right.

The cool part is that if I have any US service done, it shows up in the file. You can also manually edit information. Unfortunately it doesn't link to the Canadian dealers. Subaru Canada is years behind and don't offer that level of service or a similar cross-referencing option. Too bad for them. According to a WNY sales rep. I spoke to, Subaru Canada sales reps. are a decade behind in sales initiatives and tactics.

In any event, if you haven't already, I would suggest that all new Subaru owners out there, register on that site.

[whampoa]

For warranty, it usually doesn't matter whether the vehicle is "new" or "used". Honda/Acura will not honor warranty on either one; Toyota/Lexus will honor warranty in both cases.

For sales, it does matter whether the vehicle is new or used. Many manufacturers including Honda and Toyota will not sell new vehicles to Canadians, but they are willing to sell used ones.

Are you sure about that, last time I heard, Honda try to play hard, new or used?

You know what they said, the bigger a$$hole they are, the harder they fall.


Now Kenzie's got this overpricing figured out!!

Frank

Well, better late than never!

Unlike Denis the mathematician, Jim don't mince words with hyperbole.

[drwzer]

My vehicle was purchased in NY state was was never registered there.

I paid a $15 fee which went to NY state not the DMV when the sale of my vehicle was registered.

I think there's some confusion on this. I suppose I didn't need to pay the $15 fee but that amount (like that of a transit permit) is inconsequential.

Just a bit of confusion. Several people think I want to illegally import the car into Canada and I don't want to do that at all, especially since my family has an apartment in NY and don't really want my vehicle impounded while crossing border. I would like to avoid having to pay the the taxes in NY and the wait to get the title which can take several months. As I said before, because I'm buying out of NY state, the dealer gives me all the documents (including the MCO) to register the vehicle (with NY plates) instead of him collecting the taxes and doing it for me like they would if I bought in NY.
Some dealers will sell to Canadians as long as they INTEND to register the vehicle in US first. Well if they aren't doing it for me then I'm not going to volunteer myself and therefore pay the taxes. As long as I'm not breaking any State or Federal law I don't see why I can't just skip the registration(plating in NY) after sale is complete.

[Monsieurmaggot]

Just a bit of confusion. Several people think I want to illegally import the car into Canada and I don't want to do that at all, especially since my family has an apartment in NY and don't really want my vehicle impounded while crossing border. I would like to avoid having to pay the the taxes in NY and the wait to get the title which can take several months. As I said before, because I'm buying out of NY state, the dealer gives me all the documents (including the MCO) to register the vehicle (with NY plates) instead of him collecting the taxes and doing it for me like they would if I bought in NY.
Some dealers will sell to Canadians as long as they INTEND to register the vehicle in US first. Well if they aren't doing it for me then I'm not going to volunteer myself and therefore pay the taxes. As long as I'm not breaking any State or Federal law I don't see why I can't just skip the registration(plating in NY) after sale is complete.

Actually you touched on an interesting subject.

There's no law that states that you must register a vehicle with the DMV. You aren't permitted to drive the vehicle without proper tags or licensing. You won't be able to drive off the lot but you could technically buy a car and trailer, tow or flatbed it into another jurisdiction for licensing. I know of people who purchased in Michigan to avoid paying the tax there. Interestingly the Michigan Treasury Department has a website that clearly states ANY vehicle sold with the intention of exporting to Canada is subject to the state tax.

www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/Dealer_Manual_Chapter_8_186065_7.pdf

I guess the sales rep. didn't know that.

[Rehan]

Are you sure about that, last time I heard, Honda try to play hard, new or used? No, I'm not sure about Honda.


Unlike Denis the mathematician, Jim don't mince words with hyperbole. Well, Jim Kenzie did choose to say "36% more expensive [than the US price]" rather than "26% cheaper [than the Canadian price]". The larger number makes a bigger impact. :)

[hygu41]

Do I need the compliance label or some sort of certificate for 2008 Subaru Trbeca for the immobilization. If there's no label ,how can I get the certificate?

[geekhead]

Okay...thank you very much...that clears things up for me...It must have been Toyota's recent change in policy about not allowing their US dealers to sell new to Canadians that I was thinking about...Glad to hear about the warranty for Toyota/Lexus...

Honda is making a bad decision here I think...gonna lose some serious business over their decision me thinks...both for imports and purchases in Canada...Knowing that they are operating like this would make me consider another manufacturer within Canada if I was looking to buy new here at home...screw em'....

Manufacturers making blatent moves like that against the consumer will not be seeing any of my money...makes me want to sell my Accord it annoys me so much...just the principle of it...

I see a disturbing trend lately in that the automakers are pulling out the stops to impede 2008 imports. After talking to a import sales rep today I'm getting the feeling that if possible the Canadian Auto Cartel is now working to ban ALL 2009 autos from Canadian import from the USA by any means possible. Even if it means slightly changing the specs of Canadian cars so that they all can be put on the inadmissible list. If this is at least a possibility it's time we all start to lobby our Members of Parliment to insure this is not a reality. Transport Canada is powerless as we all know to fight for the consumer. Lets not wait till it's too late. Am I being paranoid?

[Snocow]

I am creating some well deserved press for a Ohio dealership the won't sell to Canadians...Letter to the Editor....suggest you all contribute to this approach. Perhaps we could get someone on CNN or Larry King :)


From: Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxx
To: ckovach@sunnews.com
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:24 PM
Subject: Local auto Dealership refuses to sell new vehicle to Canadian


My name is Xxxxxx Xxxxxx and I am from Ontario, Canada....

As you may already know, the value of the Canadian Dollar has recently been skyrocketing against the US Dollar. That being said, Canadian automobile retailers have failed to adjust new vehicle pricing accordingly, resulting in a large surge of Canadians looking to buy new vehicles in the United States and import them into Canada. On a 2008 Toyota Camry SE, I will save at least $9000 by buying my new vehicle in the USA.

On this past Thursday when I checked pricing of my new car at one of your local dealerships "Sunnyside Toyota" of North Olmsted, I was advised that they do not sell new vehicles to Canada.

After the shock wore off, I contacted the dealership and asked to speak to the Sales Manager. This person only wanted to refer me to Toyota Head Office.

I have contacted many many dealerships in New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Virginia etc..etc...all with the same result. This new discrimnatory policy is really taking off!

Toyota USA is threatening dealerships with fines, supply restrictions and potential loss of dealership if they sell new cars to Canadians thus forcing Canadians to pay ridiculously high prices for new vehicles at home. Talk about legalized theft!

Automobile manufacturers have many tools at their disposal in order to accomplish this. In Canada for example, it is the manufacturer who advises the Canadian Government if a USA vehicle meets Canadian Safety Standards and can be imported into Canada. For 2008 the inadmissable list is mysteriously growing by leaps and bounds. Talk about having the fox watch the henhouse!

The bizarre thing about this whole situation is the following

There are literally thousands of cash paying Canadians looking to buy new vehicles in the USA and import them into Canada....we want to help your economy...talk about a win-win situation!

I dealt with a nice Sales Person at Sunnyside Toyota...she is in the business of selling cars...she was prevented from making a deal with me...thus impacting her pay cheque

Think of the loss in income to this employee.....as well as the resulting loss of residual revenue to your county...city...etc

Is the Corporate Mafia in control of your economy and your pocket book?
Dealerships such as Sunnyside Toyota and others should not be rolling over to such corporate bullying.
Shame on you!

Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxxxx
Toronto, ON
Canada
(xxx)xxx-xxxx

[propofol]

I see a disturbing trend lately in that the automakers are pulling out the stops to impede 2008 imports. After talking to a import sales rep today I'm getting the feeling that if possible the Canadian Auto Cartel is now working to ban ALL 2009 autos from Canadian import from the USA by any means possible. Even if it means slightly changing the specs of Canadian cars so that they all can be put on the inadmissible list. If this is at least a possibility it's time we all start to lobby our Members of Parliment to insure this is not a reality. Transport Canada is powerless as we all know to fight for the consumer. Lets not wait till it's too late. Am I being paranoid?

Absolutely not! I think this is a distinct possibility. Letter to my MP has been sent! Those bastard stealerships in Canada just want to continue raking us over the coals, but it must stop!

[sucker4adeal]

Anyone imported a Porsche Cayenne before? I'm looking at a 2005-2006 and was wondering what kind of modifications are needed... care to share your experience?

Thanks in advance!!!

[bluemule999]

I made a deal with Xan at Manchester Subaru this afternoon for a 2008 Subaru Legacy GT Limited. Real easy, great guy to deal with! I will be driving down with payment and to see the car on Monday. I will drop off the papers at US Customs on the way back. I will pickup the car next Saturday. I roughly calculated a savings of 12-15K. Wow!!!

Merci Monsieurmaggot and to all members of this forum for guidance, personal experiences, opinions, and general info. It is very much appreciated!! This forum defines community. Anyone else that wants help, just pm. :razz:

[drwzer]

Actually you touched on an interesting subject.

There's no law that states that you must register a vehicle with the DMV. You aren't permitted to drive the vehicle without proper tags or licensing. You won't be able to drive off the lot but you could technically buy a car and trailer, tow or flatbed it into another jurisdiction for licensing. I know of people who purchased in Michigan to avoid paying the tax there. Interestingly the Michigan Treasury Department has a website that clearly states ANY vehicle sold with the intention of exporting to Canada is subject to the state tax.

www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/Dealer_Manual_Chapter_8_186065_7.pdf

I guess the sales rep. didn't know that.

However if it is your intention to register the vehicle in US first then the dealer will most likely give you a temp tag.
My car salesman seems to be more interested in me having a US address than what my intentions are for the vehicle. I guess that covers his ass if the manufacturer says something.
I'm just surprised no one here has skipped the registration for US plates (when originally telling dealer that you would register in US first) after purchasing vehicle.

[Lost Horizon]

Unlike Denis the mathematician, Jim don't mince words with hyperbole.

well... except when he's playing guitar in his band..

[showMeAnImport]

Just a bit of confusion. Several people think I want to illegally import the car into Canada and I don't want to do that at all, especially since my family has an apartment in NY and don't really want my vehicle impounded while crossing border. I would like to avoid having to pay the the taxes in NY and the wait to get the title which can take several months. As I said before, because I'm buying out of NY state, the dealer gives me all the documents (including the MCO) to register the vehicle (with NY plates) instead of him collecting the taxes and doing it for me like they would if I bought in NY.
Some dealers will sell to Canadians as long as they INTEND to register the vehicle in US first. Well if they aren't doing it for me then I'm not going to volunteer myself and therefore pay the taxes. As long as I'm not breaking any State or Federal law I don't see why I can't just skip the registration(plating in NY) after sale is complete.

You mean to tell me that if an American citizen buys a new car in the US they have to wait months for "title"? This doesn't seem right...Why would this be. So if an American bought a car and then decided the next day that they wanted to sell it privately to another American citizen they could not?

[Lost Horizon]

Way back when I purchased my Subaru, the person I spoke to at Subaru of America mentioned that I should register at mysubaru.com to ensure that they have a way to contact me.........

In any event, if you haven't already, I would suggest that all new Subaru owners out there, register on that site.

Thx for the tip.. unfortunately, it says I can't because, (apparently) my VIN doen't exist... is this a backlash move?

[Monsieurmaggot]

Thx for the tip.. unfortunately, it says I can't because, (apparently) my VIN doen't exist... is this a backlash move?

Really?

That's wild.

I wonder if anyone else is having that problem.

[phejy]

Hi Everyone

Canadian Hyundai dealer give me this offer when I told him I was going told I could get a basic automatic 2008 Sonata GLS for about $22,500 final price in the U.S.

2008 Sonata GL V4 automatic
Premium pkg
with moonroof,
fog lights
ABS
16" alloy wheels
extra tinted windows
lifetime rust protection
lifetime paint protection
hood deflector
for $25,500

Good deal?

[MrDisco]

Good deal?

Ok so in the States you can get a GLS i4 for $22.5 USD on the road.
In Canada you're getting a GL i4 for $25.5 CDN (on the road?)

Seems to me the better deal is in the States...

[vipernig]

why would that be a good deal if you can save 3000$ plus tax.
You know what you canbuy with 3000$. A whole lot of stuff.

[phejy]

Ok so in the States you can get a GLS i4 for $22.5 USD on the road.
In Canada you're getting a GL i4 for $25.5 CDN (on the road?)

Seems to me the better deal is in the States...

US one does NOT include those extras and yes it's $25.5 on the road

[MrDisco]

US one does NOT include those extras and yes it's $25.5 on the road

yes i know but what you're really looking at are some add-ons vs $3k. do you think its worth that price difference?

[LoDown]

For warranty, it usually doesn't matter whether the vehicle is "new" or "used". Honda/Acura will not honor warranty on either one; Toyota/Lexus will honor warranty in both cases.

For sales, it does matter whether the vehicle is new or used. Many manufacturers including Honda and Toyota will not sell new vehicles to Canadians, but they are willing to sell used ones.

If an American moves to Canada with his Honda car - will Honda honor the warranty in Canada? Furthermore, if the American soon after coming to Canada sells the car to a Canadian, is the warranty honored for the Canadian? If Honda is honoring the warranty for any of these 2 cases, then there may be a way to get a US Honda car into Canada with full warranty.

[accorder]

MISSISSAUGA, ON, Nov. 9 /CNW/ - Nissan Canada Inc. (NCI) today announced
a series of new manufacturer-to-dealer purchase incentives across its Nissan
and Infiniti vehicle lines. These incentives mean additional savings for
consumers of up to $8,000 on cash vehicle purchases, and finance rates as low
as 1.9 percent on select models.
These new offers come in addition to NCI's already impressive incentives
and finance and lease rates and will be in effect until November 30, 2007.
"Canadian consumers have demonstrated their strong affinity for our
well-priced, innovatively designed, fun-to-drive Nissan and Infiniti vehicles,
driving NCI sales up over 18 per cent to date in 2007," said Mark Grimm,
President & CEO, NCI. "But customers have clearly been looking for more value
in new vehicle pricing and we're happy to respond by providing even more
reasons to buy or lease a new Nissan or Infiniti vehicle."
New cash incentives introduced range from $1,000 on the 2008 Nissan
Sentra to $8,000 on 2008 Infiniti QX56 and Nissan Armada. Lease rates start
from 3.9% and finance rates as low as 1.9% on select models.
For a complete list of cash incentives, please refer to the table below.

<<
New Limited-Time Cash Purchase Incentives:

Vehicle Cash Incentive
------------------------------------------------------------------
- 2007 Nissan 350Z $ 5,500
- 2007 Nissan Murano $ 4,000
- 2008 Nissan Sentra $ 1,000 - $ 1,500
- 2008 Nissan Altima/HEV $ 2,000 (2.5L) - $ 4,000 (3.5L)
- 2008 Nissan Altima Coupe $ 2,000 (2.5L) - $ 4,000 (3.5L)
- 2008 Nissan Maxima $ 4,000
- 2008 Nissan Xterra $ 4,000
- 2008 Nissan Pathfinder $ 4,500
- 2008 Nissan Armada $ 8,000
- 2008 Nissan Frontier $ 3,000
- 2008 Nissan Titan $ 6,000
- 2008 Nissan Quest $ 3,000
- 2007 Infiniti G35 $ 4,500
- 2007 Infiniti M35/M45 $ 6,500
- 2008 Infiniti G35 $ 3,000
- 2008 Infiniti G37 Coupe $ 3,000
- 2008 Infiniti FX $ 6,000
- 2008 Infiniti QX56 $ 8,000

[frankmp]

Anyone looking to buy a NEW 07 Vette (I know it's end of the season), Incentives a few days ago (cashback) went from $2K to $8K plus MIN. $1K (wish and win) + 1% off to reflect a 5%gst (1% taken off of full msrp amount or say $700)= total improvement from a week ago of almost $9K.

No bad; a step in the right direction but still not enough to be close to US pricing......another $5K to go..........



Frank

[ecgz88]

2008 Canada Infiniti FX35 CAD55050-$6000 Rebate=CAD$49050
2008 USA Infiniti FX35 USD41450 (included Hands-free/Touring Package)

still 9K-10K Difference! :D


MISSISSAUGA, ON, Nov. 9 /CNW/ - Nissan Canada Inc. (NCI) today announced
a series of new manufacturer-to-dealer purchase incentives across its Nissan
and Infiniti vehicle lines. These incentives mean additional savings for
consumers of up to $8,000 on cash vehicle purchases, and finance rates as low
as 1.9 percent on select models.
These new offers come in addition to NCI's already impressive incentives
and finance and lease rates and will be in effect until November 30, 2007.
"Canadian consumers have demonstrated their strong affinity for our
well-priced, innovatively designed, fun-to-drive Nissan and Infiniti vehicles,
driving NCI sales up over 18 per cent to date in 2007," said Mark Grimm,
President & CEO, NCI. "But customers have clearly been looking for more value
in new vehicle pricing and we're happy to respond by providing even more
reasons to buy or lease a new Nissan or Infiniti vehicle."
New cash incentives introduced range from $1,000 on the 2008 Nissan
Sentra to $8,000 on 2008 Infiniti QX56 and Nissan Armada. Lease rates start
from 3.9% and finance rates as low as 1.9% on select models.
For a complete list of cash incentives, please refer to the table below.

<<
New Limited-Time Cash Purchase Incentives:

Vehicle Cash Incentive
------------------------------------------------------------------
- 2007 Nissan 350Z $ 5,500
- 2007 Nissan Murano $ 4,000
- 2008 Nissan Sentra $ 1,000 - $ 1,500
- 2008 Nissan Altima/HEV $ 2,000 (2.5L) - $ 4,000 (3.5L)
- 2008 Nissan Altima Coupe $ 2,000 (2.5L) - $ 4,000 (3.5L)
- 2008 Nissan Maxima $ 4,000
- 2008 Nissan Xterra $ 4,000
- 2008 Nissan Pathfinder $ 4,500
- 2008 Nissan Armada $ 8,000
- 2008 Nissan Frontier $ 3,000
- 2008 Nissan Titan $ 6,000
- 2008 Nissan Quest $ 3,000
- 2007 Infiniti G35 $ 4,500
- 2007 Infiniti M35/M45 $ 6,500
- 2008 Infiniti G35 $ 3,000
- 2008 Infiniti G37 Coupe $ 3,000
- 2008 Infiniti FX $ 6,000
- 2008 Infiniti QX56 $ 8,000

[eastsidesubaru]

Thx for the tip.. unfortunately, it says I can't because, (apparently) my VIN doen't exist... is this a backlash move?

No, generally it takes about 45 days before you can register on my.subaru.com.
Why this is, I have no idea. It happened to me when I tried to register my car on there.. But it has nothing to do with canada as far as I know.

[Lan]

Y'know the worst thing about all these manufacturer discounts.

The money they're saving you is only enough to make importing less attractive, and not actually save you money.

:evil: Completely superficial. I hate that.

[Rehan]

If an American moves to Canada with his Honda car - will Honda honor the warranty in Canada? Furthermore, if the American soon after coming to Canada sells the car to a Canadian, is the warranty honored for the Canadian? If Honda is honoring the warranty for any of these 2 cases, then there may be a way to get a US Honda car into Canada with full warranty. Yes to the first question, No to the second.

[bluemule999]

Offer to Subaru owners in the Montreal area. If you are interested getting together and sharing Montreal dealer experiences over the next couple years, send me a PM. Maybe we can go to the same dealer for servicing and ensure that we do not get fleeced.

When I was finalizing my deal for Legacy GT with Xan from Manchester Subaru, he mentioned that he sold a white Legacy to a person in Laval. If you are on RFD, send me a pm.

[drwzer]

You mean to tell me that if an American citizen buys a new car in the US they have to wait months for "title"? This doesn't seem right...Why would this be. So if an American bought a car and then decided the next day that they wanted to sell it privately to another American citizen they could not?

I'm just referring to NY state. The NY DMV says on their website that it can take up to 90 days to get title after purchase of new car, however I'm sure most get theirs back within a few weeks. When you buy a new car you get what is called the Certificate of Origin which you then give permanently to the DMV in exchange for the title, but I'm not sure if you can transfer ownership with just the MCO. Someone else might know this.

[dotcalamitie]

The real problem with the manufacturer discounts now, I think, is that it's too little too late. If you are a Canadian you are now disgusted with the Canadian auto marketplace and it's going to take parity pricing at a minimum to win us back as customers. It's funny, unknowingly to me, my neighbor directly across the street from me came home Friday night with his brand new Canadian purchased 2008 Prius and I came home with my 2007 US Prius. $22,300 for mine. $35,000 for his. You could do a story on that but I feel bad for the guy.

[showMeAnImport]

I'm just referring to NY state. The NY DMV says on their website that it can take up to 90 days to get title after purchase of new car, however I'm sure most get theirs back within a few weeks. When you buy a new car you get what is called the Certificate of Origin which you then give permanently to the DMV in exchange for the title, but I'm not sure if you can transfer ownership with just the MCO. Someone else might know this.

Okay, thanks for the clarification...It must simply be due to the volume of processing that needs to be done in the NY area given the population...

You raise a good question though...does anyone know if title can be transferred before the original owner has title in their hands?

Cheers

[J233]

Interestingly the Michigan Treasury Department has a website that clearly states ANY vehicle sold with the intention of exporting to Canada is subject to the state tax.

www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/Dealer_Manual_Chapter_8_186065_7.pdf

I guess the sales rep. didn't know that.

Hm...interesting document indeed...I bought a travel trailer four years ago form a private party in MI and didn't pay any tax when I got the title transfered to my name at the local DMV office, just 10 bucks for temp tags. Maybe they changed the tax rules recently..

[reddy54]

Yes to the first question, No to the second.

I went to a Honda dealer in Cornwall and they quoted an accord $2000 off list. This means they give me the car at full list and I only get the rebate off. Any wonder the showrooms are empty.

[lindmar]

Hm...interesting document indeed...I bought a travel trailer four years ago form a private party in MI and didn't pay any tax when I got the title transfered to my name at the local DMV office, just 10 bucks for temp tags. Maybe they changed the tax rules recently..

I researched for a while and there was no way to avoid the MI sales tax, I had a variety of dealers do the research as well, which makes the deal cold in Michigan, unless the savings are really great. I'm sure though you can find an MI dealer to knock another 6% of the cost and just pay the sales tax..

Of course, Windsor residents willing to make the deal and trip in Buffalo, makes it a hot deal. Heck, for savings of 5k-10k-15k, who wouldn't.

You could fly from Detroit to Buffalo, drive home, save a fortune,

[J233]

I researched for a while and there was no way to avoid the MI sales tax, I had a variety of dealers do the research as well, which makes the deal cold in Michigan, unless the savings are really great. I'm sure though you can find an MI dealer to knock another 6% of the cost and just pay the sales tax..

Of course, Windsor residents willing to make the deal and trip in Buffalo, makes it a hot deal. Heck, for savings of 5k-10k-15k, who wouldn't.

You could fly from Detroit to Buffalo, drive home, save a fortune,

Wow, I did not know about that "minor" thing in MI....thx a lot !

How about Ohio and Illinois ? I am negotiating a deal (2007 demo/used) and want to make sure that I won't have to pay a state sales tax in either state (both dealers confirmed that's the case but i see now that I should do more research).

[lindmar]

Wow, I did not know about that "minor" thing in MI....thx a lot !

How about Ohio and Illinois ? I am negotiating a deal (2007 demo/used) and want to make sure that I won't have to pay a state sales tax in either state (both dealers confirmed that's the case but i see now that I should do more research).

Well, again, thats just what I learned when I bought a car a few months back. Although people have reported here buying in MI and not having to pay the sales tax, so who really knows.

I bought at a time when I didnt want to travel to Buffalo to buy. If I had to buy again, I would do it in Buffalo in a heart beat.

[Monsieurmaggot]

US one does NOT include those extras and yes it's $25.5 on the road

Remember that in the US the Limited is comparable to the GLS in Canada.

The GLS is the base model in the US.

Just a way to confuse the masses.

Apples to apples...

[BriteRed20s]

Anyone imported a Porsche Cayenne before? I'm looking at a 2005-2006 and was wondering what kind of modifications are needed... care to share your experience?

Thanks in advance!!!

I phoned the Porsche dealer in Edmonton and was told they would not honour the warranty for US purchased vehicles. In fact, they advised anyone not purchasing a vehicle from their dealership, even if the vehicle was first titled in Canada, would have to go to the bottom of the list for service. This helped me to decide on another manufacturer.

[georgetoy]

Canadian Hyundai dealer give me this offer when I told him I was going told I could get a basic automatic 2008 Sonata GLS for about $22,500 final price in the U.S.

Good deal?

Remember that US Sonata GLS <> Can. GLS. The US GLS is like the Can. GL and includes ABS AND Electronic Stability Control (ESC) which in Canada is only available on the V6 Limited. It corrects over and under-steer.

On the road, I paid $20800 for the US GLS after ALL fees and $ conversions. That was at 1.03 conversion rate. You would save several hundred at today's conversion. I can provide you with a Buffalo contact/dealer if you wish.

[moguy]

Well, again, thats just what I learned when I bought a car a few months back. Although people have reported here buying in MI and not having to pay the sales tax, so who really knows.

I bought at a time when I didnt want to travel to Buffalo to buy. If I had to buy again, I would do it in Buffalo in a heart beat.

I didn't pay MI sales tax.

The only catch was I couldn't get a temporary permit, so I had to drive to the border with an export invoice taped to my back windshield.

[googz]

Way back when I purchased my Subaru, the person I spoke to at Subaru of America mentioned that I should register at mysubaru.com to ensure that they have a way to contact me. At this site I can check the status of my maintenance work, confirm the mileage, personal contact information (address, phone number....) and more importantly, see if there are any outstanding recalls. Naturally you will need a valid Subaru VIN number to register on the site.

I was told if I kept this information accurate, I would be all right.

The cool part is that if I have any US service done, it shows up in the file. You can also manually edit information. Unfortunately it doesn't link to the Canadian dealers. Subaru Canada is years behind and don't offer that level of service or a similar cross-referencing option. Too bad for them. According to a WNY sales rep. I spoke to, Subaru Canada sales reps. are a decade behind in sales initiatives and tactics.

In any event, if you haven't already, I would suggest that all new Subaru owners out there, register on that site.

How did you register online? It asks for your State in your address but doesn't seem to have any way of entering a Province.

[Lost Horizon]

How did you register online? It asks for your State in your address but doesn't seem to have any way of entering a Province.

Just put that in the Address/City lines.. then use the State U purchased the car so it will accept all things..

[Monsieurmaggot]

How did you register online? It asks for your State in your address but doesn't seem to have any way of entering a Province.

I wrote in:

Toronto, ON, NY and the dealers' zip.

It took the information.

[RoadRunner]

The real problem with the manufacturer discounts now, I think, is that it's too little too late. If you are a Canadian you are now disgusted with the Canadian auto marketplace and it's going to take parity pricing at a minimum to win us back as customers. It's funny, unknowingly to me, my neighbor directly across the street from me came home Friday night with his brand new Canadian purchased 2008 Prius and I came home with my 2007 US Prius. $22,300 for mine. $35,000 for his. You could do a story on that but I feel bad for the guy.

The difference in price is not as large as those prices would imply...I would say that a 2007 model year should be at least 20% cheaper than a 2008, as in effect, you are buying a vehicle that is already a year old even though it is "new". This is why it's easy for manufacturers to appear to be doing something about their prices, but really they are not as most of the rebates etc seem to be for 2007 models and not 2008. For price comparisons you need to compare models of the same model year.

[smpmush]

Anyone looking to buy a NEW 07 Vette (I know it's end of the season), Incentives a few days ago (cashback) went from $2K to $8K plus MIN. $1K (wish and win) + 1% off to reflect a 5%gst (1% taken off of full msrp amount or say $700)= total improvement from a week ago of almost $9K.

No bad; a step in the right direction but still not enough to be close to US pricing......another $5K to go..........



Frank

this deal or something similar has been offered every year about this time for some years.. Only difference being that they never promoted it before like now.. I'm sure you will find very limited to no stock available to take advantage to this so called "deal" ... Until they adjust mspr and PDI this are just smoke and mirror tactics to trick the Canuk public into thinking they are getting "value".... >:(

[tkddad]

The difference in price is not as large as those prices would imply...I would say that a 2007 model year should be at least 20% cheaper than a 2008, as in effect, you are buying a vehicle that is already a year old even though it is "new". This is why it's easy for manufacturers to appear to be doing something about their prices, but really they are not as most of the rebates etc seem to be for 2007 models and not 2008. For price comparisons you need to compare models of the same model year.

Not to mention the neighbour is getting $4000 from the government and
the 2008 is much more well equipped than the 2007.

I am been looking for either a Prius or Civic Hybrid for the past little while.
Toyota still want full MSRP for the Prius. The waiting list is 8-12 weeks.

I have been offered some decent deals on 2007 Civic Hybrids. With the
government rebates, the gap between getting it in the US and here is
around $1500. As I can't get anyone to sell me one from the US, it's
a moot point to begin with.

I have driven the Sonata, Impreza yesterday. I will looking at Nissans
next week. Screw Toyota.

It took me a while but I have finally read all 583 pages of the thread.
Thanks to Monsieurmaggot and all you who contributed to this thread.

[cavuu]

I went to a Honda dealer in Cornwall and they quoted an accord $2000 off list. This means they give me the car at full list and I only get the rebate off. Any wonder the showrooms are empty.
I was offered 3000-4000 off list from a London dealer on a CRV. Still a long way from the $9000 savings in the US. But with Honda's attitude toward the warranty I will be looking at the Outback or Santa Fe in the spring when/if the dust settles. Sure didn't want to put snows on the Mustang :cry:

[p110232]

this deal or something similar has been offered every year about this time for some years.. Only difference being that they never promoted it before like now.. I'm sure you will find very limited to no stock available to take advantage to this so called "deal" ... Until they adjust mspr and PDI this are just smoke and mirror tactics to trick the Canuk public into thinking they are getting "value".... >:(

I would also like to add that since limited stock applies to 2007 models, these promos are simply gimmicks to generate traffic in the showroom. Dealers wish to prey on uninformed buyers, invite them to their "office" and use all the trick in the book to get them to sign the dotted line.

We pay more because we are willing to pay more... that's what the manufacturers mean when they say "priced according to market" or "priced to what the market can bear".

Collectively, let's unite to CHANGE THE MARKET. I urge all canadians (citizens and residents) not to go to any dealership, even if you're just curious to find out what the deal is all about. 30 consecutive days of empty showroom traffic and NO new car sales will dent the manufacturer's sales volume for 2007. Only when faced with a changing market (or "civil disobedience") will the manufacturers reconsider their stance. There is strength in numbers, folks... let's all do it!

[inspire]

^ If only Canadians were proactive enough to do so. We are such a passive society ... we need to smarten up and show that we (the consumer) should dictate what we will pay. But again ... we're too darn nice and as booming as the economy is (in parts of the country), it's hard to tell someone with money burning a hole in their pockets NOT to buy something ... ;)

[dotcalamitie]

Well Prius's have very high resale prices. I couldn't find any 2007 Prius's priced under what I paid, $22,300, unless they were high mileage or no options. The Prius is going to be under price pressure in 2009 though...I've been reading about the 2009, and Toyota is supposedly working on reducing the cost to manufacture substantially with the intention of selling 2009 Prius's for up to $4,000 less. At the same time the 2009 is supposed to get a 25% fuel economy boost - I've heard claims of 100 mpg (imperial gallon) - possibly solar cells on the rood and a plug in.

Even with a $4,000 rebate, the neighbors car is then $31,000 CDN. Still not matching my $22,300 US. I can buy three Prius and put them in my driveway for the same price they would pay for two.

[showMeAnImport]

Okay...I think these are some good questions....

1) Reading on here I got the impression that one was only required to have the "Recall Letter" once arriving in Canada. I have read several posts on another forum where people have said they were asked to produce the "Recall Letter" at the border. Can anyone on here confirm or deny this with their experience?...

2) In regards to the "Recall letter"...Suppose I am importing a slightly used vehicle from the states into Canada and I go down to do the transaction with a private seller....Am I going to be given a hard time by Toyota/Lexus or other manufacturers (not talking about Honda...they're a special case...dickheads)? Like what is the process there? Am I calling up Toyota USA while I'm in the states and saying, "My name is so and so and I am currently in the process of buying a used Lexus/Toyota from Jow Blow here in the US. I will be importing the used vehicle to Canada so I need a recall letter to satisfy RIV in Canada?". Or would it be better to negotiate with the seller that I want them to acquire the letter for me. I know one thing...If I was an American citizen who was trying to sell my used vehicle and Toyota/Lexus (or whatever manufacturer...Honda you listening?) stood in the way of a sale I had with a Canadian by refusing to issue the letter I would be pissed. In the end if I, as a Canadian citizen, could not acquire the letter, surely Toyota/Lexus USA would be obligated to provide it to the American that is trying to sell their used car if they asked for it? No? Related to this, this recall letter doesn't have anyone's name on it does it?!?!? It must just be generically saying that the vehicle with VIN X is clear of recalls or whatever, right?

3) My last one is regarding the transfer of title. Suppose I was importing a privately sold slightly used vehicle from the states. When I arrive at buddy's house in the US to pick it up, what exactly is involved with having him/her transfer title of the vehicle to me that they are selling. Is it just a matter of them signing over the title documents to me on the spot when I give them the money or do we have to go to a local DMV or something?

Thanks for any help you guys can provide...

Cheers

[Beradon]

I see a disturbing trend lately in that the automakers are pulling out the stops to impede 2008 imports. After talking to a import sales rep today I'm getting the feeling that if possible the Canadian Auto Cartel is now working to ban ALL 2009 autos from Canadian import from the USA by any means possible. Even if it means slightly changing the specs of Canadian cars so that they all can be put on the inadmissible list. If this is at least a possibility it's time we all start to lobby our Members of Parliment to insure this is not a reality. Transport Canada is powerless as we all know to fight for the consumer. Lets not wait till it's too late. Am I being paranoid?
You're not being paranoid. It's quite a convenient tactic to stop Canadians from cross border shopping. It's absolutely hilarious when vehicles that are assembled in Canada, get shipped into dealerships in both the US and Canada. The ones in the US are considered "inadmissible" because the manfacturer says its immobilizers does not conform to "spec". I bet all they change at the plant is the addition of an English only sticker on the immobilizers for their US vehicles and then claim it's out of Canadian "spec".

[LoDown]

Yes to the first question, No to the second.

So even American's can get f**ked by Honda by having their resale opportunities limited. All you Canadians and Americans reading this, if you enjoy dealing with price-fixing, free-market stifling, 'snakes in suits' - buy Honda. If not, buy most anything else.

[sucker4adeal]

I phoned the Porsche dealer in Edmonton and was told they would not honour the warranty for US purchased vehicles. In fact, they advised anyone not purchasing a vehicle from their dealership, even if the vehicle was first titled in Canada, would have to go to the bottom of the list for service. This helped me to decide on another manufacturer.

According to porsche.com's usa site under Porsche Approved Certified Pre-Owned Program any Porsche brought from an authorized dealer in US and Canada - coverage is honored in Canada.

[dotcalamitie]

One of the interesting debates I had with a sales rep at a BMW dealership was that he suggested that my depreciation will be just like any other car and that I will have a tough time selling my US car. If that becomes the case in Canada, then I will just take my future car purchasing business to the USA where I will trade in my US cars. Wherever I get the better deal. The issue on depreciation is that Canadian car owners right now are going to get killed. I won't.

I'm curious why financial institutions aren't advertising in RFD to try and get Canadian banking business to fund the purchase of these US cars. They should be all over this!

[Beradon]

I'm curious why financial institutions aren't advertising in RFD to try and get Canadian banking business to fund the purchase of these US cars. They should be all over this!With most LOC and bank loans at prime+1-2%, the added interest payments would reduce the savings to a point where the difference becomes small compared to buying a car n Canada. Lump in the fact the car manufacturers are also offering low (0-2.9%) financing rates. There won't be many takers so they don't bother.

[drwzer]

Okay, thanks for the clarification...It must simply be due to the volume of processing that needs to be done in the NY area given the population...

You raise a good question though...does anyone know if title can be transferred before the original owner has title in their hands?

Cheers

I imagine it is possible since car dealers buy and sell from each other all the time but not sure if that is the same. Anybody else know?

[fulrach]

Don't forget the $30k limit rule!

what is this $30k limit rule?

[Bailey4427]

Okay, I'm also a little confused.
I was told by a person at work that if I buy a car in the US by using a family member to buy it for me (I give them the money and they purchase it for me)..........then i have to wait 6 months before I can buy it from them.....
Something about US citizens having to own vehicles for a minimum of 6 months before they can resell it....

Is this true?

[fulrach]

Okay, I'm also a little confused.
I was told by a person at work that if I buy a car in the US by using a family member to buy it for me (I give them the money and they purchase it for me)..........then i have to wait 6 months before I can buy it from them.....
Something about US citizens having to own vehicles for a minimum of 6 months before they can resell it....

Is this true?

are you buying a nissan?

[showMeAnImport]

Okay, I'm also a little confused.
I was told by a person at work that if I buy a car in the US by using a family member to buy it for me (I give them the money and they purchase it for me)..........then i have to wait 6 months before I can buy it from them.....
Something about US citizens having to own vehicles for a minimum of 6 months before they can resell it....

Is this true?

That makes no sense at all to me...suppose the guy lost his job two weeks after he bought the vehicle...he might need to be selling it...that sound like misinformation to me. Get your person at work to point you to where he saw/read that...doubt it...

Not to mention the fact that a bunch of people have done this already and then successfully imported...sound like bull..

Cheers

[jwstewart]

I made a down payment on a US 2008 Tribeca 5P Ltd.:D

The dealer from Minneapolis was aware of the import process and offered to print a recall letter, but I was planning on requesting one from SOA in any case.

They sales rep said they could not send the MSO because they needed my signature on it, which makes me wonder how I can send it to US customs. Will customs accept a fax ?

[accorder]

it seems the prices will just drop to the point that you feel like to take the trouble to import one.

http://ataleoftwoprices.com/forum/forums/t/48.aspx

[gta-taxi]

I would also like to add that since limited stock applies to 2007 models, these promos are simply gimmicks to generate traffic in the showroom. Dealers wish to prey on uninformed buyers, invite them to their "office" and use all the trick in the book to get them to sign the dotted line.

We pay more because we are willing to pay more... that's what the manufacturers mean when they say "priced according to market" or "priced to what the market can bear".

Collectively, let's unite to CHANGE THE MARKET. I urge all canadians (citizens and residents) not to go to any dealership, even if you're just curious to find out what the deal is all about. 30 consecutive days of empty showroom traffic and NO new car sales will dent the manufacturer's sales volume for 2007. Only when faced with a changing market (or "civil disobedience") will the manufacturers reconsider their stance. There is strength in numbers, folks... let's all do it!


i agree something like this got to be done and thank you for the idea

[Bailey4427]

are you buying a nissan?

No not Nissan, I was thinking Toyota.

But I was pretty sure the guy is BSing me, but wasn't positive, that's why I asked you guys (the experts :) )

Thanks

[yyz2hkg]

what is this $30k limit rule?

Perhaps, this for corporations:

Goods and Services Tax (GST) and Harmonized Sales Tax (HST): Most persons and organizations engaged in commercial activities in Canada who have annual worldwide, taxable sales of more than $30 000 must register for and collect the Goods and Services Tax / Harmonized Sales Tax (GST/HST).

[J233]

Maybe folks who had crossed at Port Huron crossing could help me here.....what fax number should use to send the title ? The one listed under 526 Water Street - Room 301, or the one listed under Blue Water Bridge - (810) 985-6070 ?

[flatman]

Maybe folks who had crossed at Port Huron crossing could help me here.....what fax number should use to send the title ? The one listed under 526 Water Street - Room 301, or the one listed under Blue Water Bridge - (810) 985-6070 ?

Blue Water Bridge. And they will not confirm receipt if you call them (too busy). All you do is keep your fax transmission receipt as proof.

[scouzi]

I phoned the Porsche dealer in Edmonton and was told they would not honour the warranty for US purchased vehicles. In fact, they advised anyone not purchasing a vehicle from their dealership, even if the vehicle was first titled in Canada, would have to go to the bottom of the list for service. This helped me to decide on another manufacturer.

Tell him a Porsche is a Porsche and he's tarnishing the brand. Don't buy a Porsche at all with an attitude like that.

Candian and US bound Porsches are built at the same location by the same people.

[dotcalamitie]

Bailey4427 confusion comes from the fact that some car companies, like GM, won't honour US car warranty up here for the first six months. I heard the same nonsense you are talking about. You can still buy a brand new GM car or car less than 6 months, but you won't get Canadian warranty coverage to kick in until after 6 months. So a lot of people say you can't buy a car less than 6 months old. That's not true.

[J233]

Bailey4427 confusion comes from the fact that some car companies, like GM, won't honour US car warranty up here for the first six months. I heard the same nonsense you are talking about. You can still buy a brand new GM car or car less than 6 months, but you won't get Canadian warranty coverage to kick in until after 6 months. So a lot of people say you can't buy a car less than 6 months old. That's not true.

Right, GM says 6 months or 7500 miles/12000 KM from the first in service date

[rafku]

No, generally it takes about 45 days before you can register on my.subaru.com.
Why this is, I have no idea. It happened to me when I tried to register my car on there.. But it has nothing to do with canada as far as I know.

I was able to register about 2 weeks after pickup. You put VIN and setup up your login/passwd and you are in. It takes another day or so to conifrm your VIN with your name (looks like it matches some info the dealer sends/uploads to the system from the sale).

My only problem is that I cannot specify a Can address: only ZIPs and US states are allowed. Monsignormaggot how did you do it?

[shopper-X]

I was able to register about 2 weeks after pickup. You put VIN and setup up your login/passwd and you are in. It takes another day or so to conifrm your VIN with your name (looks like it matches some info the dealer sends/uploads to the system from the sale).

My only problem is that I cannot specify a Can address: only ZIPs and US states are allowed. Monsignormaggot how did you do it?

I did mine about a 6-8 weeks ago and it's still stuck on Verifying VIN.

[Honda-sucks]

How do i get a Recall Clearance letter from Honda if I am a Canadian Citizen?? Vehicle is here but i need the letter.......

[GregGH]

How do i get a Recall Clearance letter from Honda if I am a Canadian Citizen?? Vehicle is here but i need the letter.......


1) Did you buy from a dealer in USA - they can get your re-call letter. BMW recently ordered USA dealers to stop GIVING AWAY recall letters - so the Cdn dealers could charge $500 for same.

2) search honda user forums and do a google search

3) call 800 number for Honda customer service in USA and ask them ... Toyota & Lexus you call and they fax it to you with no fuss

Once you get the best way -- wiil you update this page for Honda in www.carburner.com ??

http://www.carburner.com/index.php?title=Paperwork_Required_To_Complete_Pro cess

Greg

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

They can stuff those incentives up their arse.
I hope everyone reading these thread spreads the news about the crazy car manufacturers, i know i am, every new person i meet and see i tell them not to purchase new / used cars from Canadian dealers.

I went today to the Mazda dealership (sunday), i looked at some of the used cars, one had like 40,000km, and the cost was 35,000 for a 2 year old car :) they are mental even with the used pricing.


Bunch of crooks. they all are, BMW, Honda, Nissan, Infiniti, Mercedes, screw them !



MISSISSAUGA, ON, Nov. 9 /CNW/ - Nissan Canada Inc. (NCI) today announced
a series of new manufacturer-to-dealer purchase incentives across its Nissan
and Infiniti vehicle lines. These incentives mean additional savings for
consumers of up to $8,000 on cash vehicle purchases, and finance rates as low
as 1.9 percent on select models.
These new offers come in addition to NCI's already impressive incentives
and finance and lease rates and will be in effect until November 30, 2007.
"Canadian consumers have demonstrated their strong affinity for our
well-priced, innovatively designed, fun-to-drive Nissan and Infiniti vehicles,
driving NCI sales up over 18 per cent to date in 2007," said Mark Grimm,
President & CEO, NCI. "But customers have clearly been looking for more value
in new vehicle pricing and we're happy to respond by providing even more
reasons to buy or lease a new Nissan or Infiniti vehicle."
New cash incentives introduced range from $1,000 on the 2008 Nissan
Sentra to $8,000 on 2008 Infiniti QX56 and Nissan Armada. Lease rates start
from 3.9% and finance rates as low as 1.9% on select models.
For a complete list of cash incentives, please refer to the table below.

<<
New Limited-Time Cash Purchase Incentives:

Vehicle Cash Incentive
------------------------------------------------------------------
- 2007 Nissan 350Z $ 5,500
- 2007 Nissan Murano $ 4,000
- 2008 Nissan Sentra $ 1,000 - $ 1,500
- 2008 Nissan Altima/HEV $ 2,000 (2.5L) - $ 4,000 (3.5L)
- 2008 Nissan Altima Coupe $ 2,000 (2.5L) - $ 4,000 (3.5L)
- 2008 Nissan Maxima $ 4,000
- 2008 Nissan Xterra $ 4,000
- 2008 Nissan Pathfinder $ 4,500
- 2008 Nissan Armada $ 8,000
- 2008 Nissan Frontier $ 3,000
- 2008 Nissan Titan $ 6,000
- 2008 Nissan Quest $ 3,000
- 2007 Infiniti G35 $ 4,500
- 2007 Infiniti M35/M45 $ 6,500
- 2008 Infiniti G35 $ 3,000
- 2008 Infiniti G37 Coupe $ 3,000
- 2008 Infiniti FX $ 6,000
- 2008 Infiniti QX56 $ 8,000

[zare]

what is this $30k limit rule?

Thanks to scouzi for the following link (http://www.smallbiz.ca/2006/07/03/should-you-buy-or-lease-your-car/).
Basically it's not a limit on the price of the car you're importing. It’s just the amount that you can claim as capital cost for the corporation, plus some other stuff.

[dotcalamitie]

I like the 350Z price... Now instead of paying $29,000 US we should rush back to Canada to pay $46,000 CDN for the 350Z. Wow! What a promotion!!! Of course, that does take away the two for one deal I heard a US Nissan dealer was offering Canadians. Buy two 350Z's for almost the price of one Canadian 350Z. Stick your 350Z up your arse Mr. Nissan. The question I would be asking if i were a Nissan sales rep...how can I in good conscience continue to work at Nissan selling Nissans to Canadian suckers? Give Mr. Nissan your message and tell him to stick it up his arse too!

[yyz2hkg]

How do i get a Recall Clearance letter from Honda if I am a Canadian Citizen?? Vehicle is here but i need the letter.......

Just out of curiosity...how did you get the vehicle "here" assuming Canada, without a recall letter at the port of entry?

[crazy_canuck2]

Even with a $4,000 rebate, the neighbors car is then $31,000 CDN. Still not matching my $22,300 US. I can buy three Prius and put them in my driveway for the same price they would pay for two.

In Quebec, the $2000 provincial credit applies to any new vehicle purchased or *brought* into Quebec. I phoned the finance ministry and they confirmed a vehicle purchased in the US qualifies like any other. The Quebec tax credit is actually a rebate on QST paid, so that makes sense since the QST is paid when the car is registered. Not sure what the deal is in Ontario, but you should check to make sure you're not leaving $ on the table.

[can2000]

I made a deal with Xan at Manchester Subaru this afternoon for a 2008 Subaru Legacy GT Limited. Real easy, great guy to deal with! I will be driving down with payment and to see the car on Monday. I will drop off the papers at US Customs on the way back. I will pickup the car next Saturday. I roughly calculated a savings of 12-15K. Wow!!!

Merci Monsieurmaggot and to all members of this forum for guidance, personal experiences, opinions, and general info. It is very much appreciated!! This forum defines community. Anyone else that wants help, just pm. :razz:

Congratulations!
please share your experience in the border (I think Chaimplain border?) later.
Too bad I wont be in MTL Monday; otherwise, we can share the ride.

Thanks in advance!

[tweetie]

Perhaps, this for corporations:

Goods and Services Tax (GST) and Harmonized Sales Tax (HST): Most persons and organizations engaged in commercial activities in Canada who have annual worldwide, taxable sales of more than $30 000 must register for and collect the Goods and Services Tax / Harmonized Sales Tax (GST/HST).

No, it doesn't have the do the with taxable sales.

The $30 K rule is the max amount you're allowed to deduct from the cost of a vehicle for business use. Anything above that has to come out of your own pocket. If your car is a business expense/if you're a corporation, the best financial car choice would be one that's worth $30K if you're purchasing.

[can2000]

No, it doesn't have the do the with taxable sales.

The $30 K rule is the max amount you're allowed to deduct from the cost of a vehicle for business use. Anything above that has to come out of your own pocket. If your car is a business expense/if you're a corporation, the best financial car choice would be one that's worth $30K if you're purchasing.

Can it be applied to self-employee? Thanks

[Animeka]

I made a deal with Xan at Manchester Subaru this afternoon for a 2008 Subaru Legacy GT Limited. Real easy, great guy to deal with! I will be driving down with payment and to see the car on Monday. I will drop off the papers at US Customs on the way back. I will pickup the car next Saturday. I roughly calculated a savings of 12-15K. Wow!!!


I called him (Xan) and the quote he gave me was pretty much the same as the price I got from Bill McBride in Plattsburgh... more or less 500$ but for the distance and time it wasnt worth it for me...

I assume everybody here is not paying cash and financing this thru a car loan. After factoring in the higher interest rate than the local dealers offer sometimes (1.9% etc...) is the savings that great?

Marc

[Animeka]

Can it be applied to self-employee? Thanks

Ask your accountant. You should be able to use the car as a deduction (as long as you use it for your business)..

Marc

[shopper-X]

In Quebec, the $2000 provincial credit applies to any new vehicle purchased or *brought* into Quebec. I phoned the finance ministry and they confirmed a vehicle purchased in the US qualifies like any other. The Quebec tax credit is actually a rebate on QST paid, so that makes sense since the QST is paid when the car is registered. Not sure what the deal is in Ontario, but you should check to make sure you're not leaving $ on the table.

In Saskatchewan it's $3,000. So the PST (5%) is calculated on the purchase price minus $3,000. Basically a $150 PST tax savings.

[frankmp]

You can still buy a brand new GM car .

Trick is finding a dealer willing to sell a NEW GM product to a Canadian (that does'nt have a US address). If you know of one please advise dealership name!

thanks Frank

[scrolllock]

How do i get a Recall Clearance letter from Honda if I am a Canadian Citizen?? Vehicle is here but i need the letter.......

Please refer to post # 8697

[showMeAnImport]

If I was a regular American citizen selling a used vehicle to a Canadian (private sale), as the owner of the involved vehicle would the manufacturer (even Honda) not be obligated to provide a recall letter if I asked for one on behalf of my buyer? This would be crazy if a legitimate current owner of a Honda, Toyota, or whatever could not demand a recall letter stating that their vehicle has no outstanding recalls...

Can anyone clearly answer this?

Cheers

[scouzi]

No, it doesn't have the do the with taxable sales.

The $30 K rule is the max amount you're allowed to deduct from the cost of a vehicle for business use. Anything above that has to come out of your own pocket. If your car is a business expense/if you're a corporation, the best financial car choice would be one that's worth $30K if you're purchasing.

Your own pocket can be the corporate pocket as well. As long as the above and over is not claimed as income tax expenses of the corporation.

The PST/GST credit applies as well. You can't claim PST/GST on wha't above 30k.

You also have to put a taxable benefit on your T4 if you use the car for personal reasons.


But ... , I found a links that says the value is $25k, but 2 accountants told me 30k.

That's where the big plus of buying on the US comes in. You get a lot more car for 30k CDN.

In all honnesty, please refer to your accountant instead of strangers on a forum for matters like this!

[joejack]

If I was a regular American citizen selling a used vehicle to a Canadian (private sale), as the owner of the involved vehicle would the manufacturer (even Honda) not be obligated to provide a recall letter if I asked for one on behalf of my buyer? This would be crazy if a legitimate current owner of a Honda, Toyota, or whatever could not demand a recall letter stating that their vehicle has no outstanding recalls...

Can anyone clearly answer this?

Cheers

I bought a Honda Odyssey 2007 (3000 miles) from someone in Texas. I asked the seller to ask Honda for re-call letter. I wrote the letter for the seller to Honda asking for re-call letter. They replied back and asked for the sellers: Driver's license, Insurance, and copy of the Title. He (seller) provided all of these details and they fax (same day) and mailed the letter within 4 business days. Recall letter is in the sellers name, however, I don't believe that RIV cares whose name the letter is in. I am flying to Dallas in 2 weeks time to pay and pickup the car.

OH, in letter to Honda asking for re-call letter, at no point there was mention was selling the vehicle. Just asked for re-call letter.

[showMeAnImport]

I bought a Honda Odyssey 2007 (3000 miles) from someone in Texas. I asked the seller to ask Honda for re-call letter. I wrote the letter for the seller to Honda asking for re-call letter. They replied back and asked for the sellers: Driver's license, Insurance, and copy of the Title. He (seller) provided all of these details and they fax (same day) and mailed the letter within 4 business days. Recall letter is in the sellers name, however, I don't believe that RIV cares whose name the letter is in. I am flying to Dallas in 2 weeks time to pay and pickup the car.

OH, in letter to Honda asking for re-call letter, at no point there was mention was selling the vehicle. Just asked for re-call letter.

That's what I thought...thank you very much for your response...They would have some nerve refusing to give one to the owner...That's clearly the answer when buying used (even for Honda)...negotiate with the seller and tell them you will not buy unless they secure an up-to-date recall later for the vehicle...thanks again...you're a good man Charlie Brown...I like hearing real examples like this...adds some confidence to a somewhat confusing process...thanks again...

Cheers

[showMeAnImport]

Not sure if this is a repost or not, or whether people already know about this, but I came across these posts on a site from a year or so ago:...

<START QUOTE #1>

I talked to a lady at RIV and she emailed a PDF file that showed, step-by-step, exactly what to do to pass the inspection.

The brief explanation is as follows:
Create a user account with American Honda at www.ahm-ownerlink.com
Enter your USA-based VIN (it only accepts USA VINs)
Print this page
Click on the link, "Recalls"
Print this page

Take these TWO print-outs to your DMV as they constitute the mandatory Manufacturer's Letter.

Tony
ps. I followed the 8.5x14" double-sided brochure from www.riv.ca to-the-letter and the transaction went flawlessly.

<END QUOTE #1>


<START QUOTE #2>

Munkey
11-09-2006, 01:08
I just brought my NSX up from the states 6 weeks ago ... as previously mentioned, all you have to do is the following:

Create a user account with American Honda at www.ahm-ownerlink.com
Enter your USA-based VIN (it only accepts USA VINs)
Print this page
Click on the link, "Recalls"
Print this page
Take these TWO print-outs to you when you get your RIV inspection done and you're set.

If there is anyone who has a problem with this, please feel free to PM me as I know several people who will get you through the RIV process with no problems.

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[showMeAnImport]

Not sure if this is a repost or not, or whether people already know about this, but I came across these posts on a site from a year or so ago:...

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I talked to a lady at RIV and she emailed a PDF file that showed, step-by-step, exactly what to do to pass the inspection.

The brief explanation is as follows:
Create a user account with American Honda at www.ahm-ownerlink.com
Enter your USA-based VIN (it only accepts USA VINs)
Print this page
Click on the link, "Recalls"
Print this page

Take these TWO print-outs to your DMV as they constitute the mandatory Manufacturer's Letter.

Tony
ps. I followed the 8.5x14" double-sided brochure from www.riv.ca to-the-letter and the transaction went flawlessly.

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Munkey
11-09-2006, 01:08
I just brought my NSX up from the states 6 weeks ago ... as previously mentioned, all you have to do is the following:

Create a user account with American Honda at www.ahm-ownerlink.com
Enter your USA-based VIN (it only accepts USA VINs)
Print this page
Click on the link, "Recalls"
Print this page
Take these TWO print-outs to you when you get your RIV inspection done and you're set.

If there is anyone who has a problem with this, please feel free to PM me as I know several people who will get you through the RIV process with no problems.

<END QUOTE #2>

The URL is -->

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-49488.html

[showMeAnImport]

I bought a Honda Odyssey 2007 (3000 miles) from someone in Texas. I asked the seller to ask Honda for re-call letter. I wrote the letter for the seller to Honda asking for re-call letter. They replied back and asked for the sellers: Driver's license, Insurance, and copy of the Title. He (seller) provided all of these details and they fax (same day) and mailed the letter within 4 business days. Recall letter is in the sellers name, however, I don't believe that RIV cares whose name the letter is in. I am flying to Dallas in 2 weeks time to pay and pickup the car.

OH, in letter to Honda asking for re-call letter, at no point there was mention was selling the vehicle. Just asked for re-call letter.

Just to clarify...you wrote the letter to Honda as if it was coming from the owner and not you?

[flatman]

Just out of curiosity...how did you get the vehicle "here" assuming Canada, without a recall letter at the port of entry?

They do NOT ask for the recall letter at the point of entry. You need only provide it to the RIV in order to get your form 2 (vehicle inspection form).

[joejack]

The URL is -->

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-49488.html

I've visited these pages and also read (right here on redflags somewhere) where one person was told by RIV that the print out was no good and that RIV needs real letter from manufacture on their letter head. I also read another person (again here at redflag) who said that he used the printout from Honda's WEB site and RIV had no problem with it.

So, to be on safe side, I have decided to do both. I have already printed out my letter using the VIN from Honda's WEB site and also received a fax copy from the seller which was sent to the seller by Honda. Hopefully that will be good enough for RIV.

[joejack]

Just to clarify...you wrote the letter to Honda as if it was coming from the owner and not you?

Correct. I wrote the letter (off course with seller's permission) as If the letter was coming from the (current owner) seller.

As far as Honda is concern, A US citizen/owner was asking for re-call letter.

[Animeka]

So other than subaru, what else is there to buy that has warranty? Some have warranty coverage but dealers wont sell to us, some have no or ridiculous warranty coverage like Nissan (basically you can't buy new otherwise you're screwed for wty)...

Marc

[scrolllock]

If I was a regular American citizen selling a used vehicle to a Canadian (private sale), as the owner of the involved vehicle would the manufacturer (even Honda) not be obligated to provide a recall letter if I asked for one on behalf of my buyer? This would be crazy if a legitimate current owner of a Honda, Toyota, or whatever could not demand a recall letter stating that their vehicle has no outstanding recalls...

Can anyone clearly answer this?

Cheers

Besides the recall info a recall letter from Honda America is also supposed to include a clause that the car meets the standards of Canada. The only way an American can get such a letter is to prove they own the car, prove they are an american citizen ( passport) and prove they are relocating to Canada.

[Snocow]

Dunno if this site has been posted before...

http://www.importcartocanada.info

[tkddad]

In Quebec, the $2000 provincial credit applies to any new vehicle purchased or *brought* into Quebec. I phoned the finance ministry and they confirmed a vehicle purchased in the US qualifies like any other. The Quebec tax credit is actually a rebate on QST paid, so that makes sense since the QST is paid when the car is registered. Not sure what the deal is in Ontario, but you should check to make sure you're not leaving $ on the table.

Correct me if I am wrong,

A US car qualifies for the Ontario "Alternative fuel credit", which is
basically a refund of the PST, up to $2000.

A US car does not qualify for the fed's "Eco-rebate".

[propofol]

===

Montreal, October 31, 2007

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

Transport Canada
330 Sparks Street
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 0N5

Registrar of Imported Vehicles
405 The West Mall
Toronto, Ontario
M9C 5K7

Sir/Madam:

I am the attorney for [removed]. My clients intend to import into Canada a 2008 model Toyota Prius purchased in the United States. They have been told by representatives of both Transport Canada (TC) and the Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV) that they will not be able to import and register this vehicle in Canada because Toyota’s 2008 models do not appear on the list of admissible vehicles published on the RIV and TC web sites.

TC’s policy is to not list a vehicle on the admissible list unless they have received a letter from the manufacturer stating that the vehicle in questions meets Canadian Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (CMVSS). My clients have contacted Toyota USA and they have stated flatly that they refuse to supply such a letter as their policy is to restrict exports of their vehicles from the US into Canada.

The responsibility of RIV and TC with respect to the import process is limited to ensuring compliance with Canadian Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (CMVSS). My clients submit that the 2008 Toyota Prius meets all Canadian standards with the exception of Daytime Running Lights, which is a simple modification. The vehicle they intend to import is otherwise identical to those being sold by Canadian Toyota dealers in Canada.

This letter constitutes formal notice that you are required to either:

a) allow my clients to import and register a 2008 model Toyota Prius in Canada, or

b) specify in writing, within three businesss days of your receipt of this letter, the specific Canadian safety standards that the 2008 Prius does not meet.

Otherwise, legal action may be taken against you immediately and without further notice. Be advised that such action may include a demand for reimbursement of legal fees, costs incurred by my clients due to your delay or refusal to allow the import and registration, as well as punitive and exemplary damages.

DO GOVERN YOURSELVES ACCORDINGLY.

Signature
Your address and telephone number

Look in www.edmunds.com forums search canada + import to get the context in which this letter can be used. Also take note of delivery methods.

Nice letter. Has anyone actually used it who could provide us with an update as to whether or not it actually worked?

[Trexim]

Nice letter. Has anyone actually used it who could provide us with an update as to whether or not it actually worked?

Seeing that Prius is still in RIV inadmissible list, I'd say ... not yet ....

[Honda-sucks]

Just out of curiosity...how did you get the vehicle "here" assuming Canada, without a recall letter at the port of entry?

My friend is a dealer and got the vehicle across the border but we need the recall letter to register the vehicle in ONTARIO. HONDA REALLY SUCKS !!

[diigii]

My friend is a dealer and got the vehicle across the border but we need the recall letter to register the vehicle in ONTARIO. HONDA REALLY SUCKS !!

Yeah! Just look at their Formula One team! On-track performance rubs off on corporate attitude.:cheesygri

[scrolllock]

My friend is a dealer and got the vehicle across the border but we need the recall letter to register the vehicle in ONTARIO. HONDA REALLY SUCKS !!

we need to get together

[jwstewart]

Yeah! Just look at their Formula One team! On-track performance rubs off on corporate attitude.

Actually, corporate attitude rubs off on On-track performance :D

[Ebola]

I wonder what they are going to do with all the empty dealerships in Canada once they are forced to close?

Turn them into seniors residences?

Not saying it's good or bad, but they can't possibly compete if this keeps up as is.

[HOiYA]

Heard back from Honda USA today in regards to my request for a recall clearance letter and letter of admissibility. They will issue me a recall clearance but not the letter of admissibility. In order to get the recall letter, I have to fax them the permanent DMV registration and not the temporary one I got from the dealer. California DMV takes any where from 4-8 weeks to send that out.

As for the letter of admissibility, they flat out said the car is not importable (1008 Acura RDX). The laid the blame on RIV saying that they provide them with the specs and it is up to RIV to determine whether or not it is admissible. Is this true? From other posts it seems that it was the manufacturers that determine what is and is not admissible. When I pressed Honda USA saying isn't the immobilizer the same on the 2007 and 2008? Gave me some BS saying that the location of the immobilizer is different... how does that affect functionality as per the spec!?!? Guess for now my parents will be driving my RDX in Canada with my US insurance until RIV gets this sorted out.




Besides the recall info a recall letter from Honda America is also supposed to include a clause that the car meets the standards of Canada. The only way an American can get such a letter is to prove they own the car, prove they are an american citizen ( passport) and prove they are relocating to Canada.

[elmst200]

Although the dealerships are empty all cross the country, Canadians are still buying in Canada. Look at the new car sales number in October, it's actually up. With the record sales number, I can't see why automobile manufacturers will voluntarily lower their prices.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/071102-1.htm
Sales of new passenger vehicles and light trucks in Canada were up by 2.1 per cent in October, compared to the same period in 2006 and providing the fourth-best October sales on record

Richmond Hill, Ontario - Sales of new passenger vehicles and light trucks in Canada were up by 2.1 per cent in October, compared to the same period in 2006 and providing the fourth-best October sales on record, says industry analyst Dennis DesRosiers.

DesRosiers also notes that for the first time in about a decade, General Motors, Ford and Chrysler outperformed the market in October. "I looked and could not find a similar example going back almost ten years," DesRosiers says. "Their sales were up 8.7 per cent and important nameplate sales were down 4.0 per cent. I suspect some of this is fleet, but nonetheless, it is certainly something we haven't seen for a long time."

Sales of cars and light trucks in October were as follows:

Manufacturer September 2007 September 2006 Per cent change
Chrysler 15,411 15,020 +2.6
Ford 16,683 15,879 +6.2
General Motors 29,884 26,374 +13.7
Acura 1,254 1,741 -28.0
Audi 641 725 -11.6
BMW 1,783 1,765 +1.0
Honda 10,123 10,724 -5.6
Hyundai 5,803 5,801 0.0
Infiniti 480 545 -11.9
Jaguar 40 63 -36.5
Kia 2,919 2,455 +18.9
Land Rover 199 168 +18.5
Lexus 1,126 993 +13.4
Mazda 6,040 5,978 +1.0
Mercedes-Benz 1,491 1,197 +24.6
Mini 315 285 +10.5
Mitsubishi 1,381 855 +61.5
Nissan 5,851 5,715 + 2.4
Porsche 156 132 +18.2
Saab 171/td> 277 -38.3
Smart 17 206 -91.7
Subaru 1,446 1,422 + 1.7
Suzuki 1,082 1,067 + 1.4
Toyota 13,358 15,017 -11.0
Volkswagen 2,659 3,526 -24.6
Volvo 433 588 -26.4
Passenger Car 61,795 62,448 - 1.0
Light truck 59,131 55,969 + 5.6
Total light vehicle sales 120,926 118,417 + 2.1
Chrysler/Ford/GM 62,158 57,172 + 8.7
Import nameplates 58,768 61,245 - 4.0




I wonder what they are going to do with all the empty dealerships in Canada once they are forced to close?

Turn them into seniors residences?

Not saying it's good or bad, but they can't possibly compete if this keeps up as is.

[moguy]

Although the dealerships are empty all cross the country, Canadians are still buying in Canada. Look at the new car sales number in October, it's actually up. With the record sales number, I can't see why automobile manufacturers will voluntarily lower their prices.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/071102-1.htm
Sales of new passenger vehicles and light trucks in Canada were up by 2.1 per cent in October, compared to the same period in 2006 and providing the fourth-best October sales on record

Richmond Hill, Ontario - Sales of new passenger vehicles and light trucks in Canada were up by 2.1 per cent in October, compared to the same period in 2006 and providing the fourth-best October sales on record, says industry analyst Dennis DesRosiers.

DesRosiers also notes that for the first time in about a decade, General Motors, Ford and Chrysler outperformed the market in October. "I looked and could not find a similar example going back almost ten years," DesRosiers says. "Their sales were up 8.7 per cent and important nameplate sales were down 4.0 per cent. I suspect some of this is fleet, but nonetheless, it is certainly something we haven't seen for a long time."

Sales of cars and light trucks in October were as follows:

Manufacturer September 2007 September 2006 Per cent change
Chrysler 15,411 15,020 +2.6
Ford 16,683 15,879 +6.2
General Motors 29,884 26,374 +13.7
Acura 1,254 1,741 -28.0
Audi 641 725 -11.6
BMW 1,783 1,765 +1.0
Honda 10,123 10,724 -5.6
Hyundai 5,803 5,801 0.0
Infiniti 480 545 -11.9
Jaguar 40 63 -36.5
Kia 2,919 2,455 +18.9
Land Rover 199 168 +18.5
Lexus 1,126 993 +13.4
Mazda 6,040 5,978 +1.0
Mercedes-Benz 1,491 1,197 +24.6
Mini 315 285 +10.5
Mitsubishi 1,381 855 +61.5
Nissan 5,851 5,715 + 2.4
Porsche 156 132 +18.2
Saab 171/td> 277 -38.3
Smart 17 206 -91.7
Subaru 1,446 1,422 + 1.7
Suzuki 1,082 1,067 + 1.4
Toyota 13,358 15,017 -11.0
Volkswagen 2,659 3,526 -24.6
Volvo 433 588 -26.4
Passenger Car 61,795 62,448 - 1.0
Light truck 59,131 55,969 + 5.6
Total light vehicle sales 120,926 118,417 + 2.1
Chrysler/Ford/GM 62,158 57,172 + 8.7
Import nameplates 58,768 61,245 - 4.0

This is because of all the incentives that dealers are now offering.

Suprisingly many people buy the BS that the dealers are fairly addressing the US price differential.

It looks like all the radio ads and signs are working on the uniformed masses.

[Trexim]

Acura 1,254 1,741 -28.0
Honda 10,123 10,724 -5.6


Wow, Honda is taking a pretty bad hit, with the new Accord I thought they would do well ...


Subaru 1,446 1,422 + 1.7


Very interesting ... no reason for Subaru to change anything in term of import/export .... I hope .....

[Raikkonen]

Please forward this letter to Mr. Kobayashi and Honda Canada

Dear Mr. Shin, Mr. Kobayashi, and Honda Canada,

Thank you for providing me with an opportunity to respond to Honda's "New Deal For Canadians".

As a verifiable fact, we have bought five new Honda vehicles over the last eight years. I actually test drove a new 2008 Accord Coupe last week.

Of note, when I purchased my new Honda S2000 (Oct. 1, 1999, the day of Canadian launch) the car was priced at CDN$48,000 MSRP (which I paid). I was told by the dealership's top executive that this last-minute pricing (there was no price by Honda two weeks earlier) was based on calculations that the U.S. car was priced at USD$32,000 (the exchange rate was actually 48% at the time). I clearly remember him saying $32,000 plus 50%...$48,000, sounds about right.

The discrepancy between prices in Canada and the U.S. is egregious. That same 2008 Honda S2000 is CDN$53,000 and USD$35,000 (or CDN $33,000). CDN$20,000 difference!! Twenty thousand dollars!!! Why so??

If you want to sell me a 2008 Acoord Coupe at true U.S. prices, my credit card is ready for your coveted swipe and I'll buy today.

As indicated below, pricing varies ridiculously, with Canadians being charged $5,000-20,000 more for the same cars. And the cars are very similar/identical, made at the same plants etc. as you know. The difference in car composition, if any, is minimal, and certainly does not substantiate $20,000 after tax dollars.

Excuses are plenty (Canadian cars are designed for the Canadian climate....are we supposed to believe our winters are worse than Buffalo or Minnesota). A higher level of accessories/options on Canadian cars. If we tabulated actual dollar amounts for these alleged enrichments, we're talking true cost of hundreds of dollars or less, or zero. The cost to sell cars in Canada is more than the U.S., claiming Honda cars are priced competitively within the "marketplace" (lol, 85% of Canadians live within two hours of the U.S. border)... etc....all weakly contrived mantras, at best.

Have you or anyone from your family ever bought anything from the U.S. because it was cheaper? A very serious question. Why did you make that American purchase?

The recent "sale" is also inflammatory. Are Canadians supposed to forget that every fall, when model years change, the outgoing model year cars are discounted to reflect their (almost) year's depreciation.

The savings of $2000 on the Accord Coupe I saw last week is too little, as the car is $8,000 cheaper in the U.S. And that is before we add on freight/pdi which is about twice as much in Canada (CDN$1400 vs. USD$700).

The $2000 is also after taxes are paid on the full amount, so despite the marketing, it is really only about $1750.

Finance offers are of no value to those of us who will pay cash. And quite clearly, competitive financing can always be obtained outside of Honda for those who seek it. The catchy 1.9% financing offers are only good for 36 months, and those that require a loan, almost always want 48-60 months to pay it off.

Honda has gone out of their way to block Canadians from buying in the U.S. I know the process is very simple, as I imported a 2007 Acura MDX twelve months ago (saving $16,000, despite being made in my backyard, Alliston, Ontario). Despite all previous Hondas being on the RIV admissibility list, transparent exclusionary games are now being played. Warranties are shamefully voided. Recall clearance letters have dried up, and voila, there is now a newly contrived immobilizer issue, thanks to Honda Canada. Threatening U.S. Honda dealerships is also part of Honda's dirty game. Canadians may be sheep, but we are intelligent sheep, especially when it comes to our pocketbooks.

Why should Canadians pay more for the same product? Ten thousand after tax dollars would go a long way at enhancing the quality of life of many Canadian families. Is Honda so short-sighted that they will not anticipate an appropriate customer response/backlash? Or does Honda Canada's misguided attempts at preventing the import of U.S. Hondas serve to negate the leverage of buying elsewhere? Why are loyal Canadian customers so mistreated?

When the dealer can look me in the eye and say $32,000 USD...fifty percent.....$48,000CDN sounds about right (when I bought my S2000) I won't soon forget. As Honda customers, we are about as good as they come. New S2000, Civic, Accord, Pilot, and MDX (all in eight years).

If prices are not brought to par immediately, I will not buy Honda. Period. There are many quality imports available nowadays, so the special charm of Honda is now passed (unlike when I bought my first Prelude in 1983). The arrogance of Honda Canada is not flattering.

Last week, I know Honda dealers, principals, and Mr. Kobayashi were blissfully cruising the Italian Mediterranean, and somehow chose not to come up with a palatable solution to the gouging of Canadians. That active choice, in the age of savvy consumers, and the Internet, will not pass unnoticed.

Memories last a long time. Mistreating Canadian customers, creating artificial barriers to purchasing in the U.S. in this age of NAFTA, insulting Canadians with transparent excuses, impediments, and lame "special pricing promotions", forcing them to buy at prices 25-45% higher, and disrespecting Canadians, their intelligence, and their Honda loyalty will permanently hurt Honda Canada.

Respectfully,

XXXXX XXXXX, M.D.

see appended pricing lists below


2008 Honda > Accord Coupe US Model listed as inadmissible by Transport Canada
Canadian Trims Canada MSRP US Trims US MSRP Price Markup
Accord Coupe EX 5MT $27,990 Accord Coupe EX 5-Spd MT $23,160 30%
Accord Coupe EX 5AT $29,190 Accord Coupe EX 5-Spd AT $23,960 31.05%
Accord Coupe EX-L 5MT $30,390 Accord Coupe EX-L 5-Spd MT $25,160 29.93%
Accord Coupe EX-L 5AT $31,590 Accord Coupe EX-L 5-Spd AT $25,960 30.9%
Accord Coupe EX-L Navi 5MT $33,190 Accord Coupe EX-L 5-Spd MT w/ Navigation System $27,360 30.49%
Accord Coupe EX-L Navi 5AT $34,390 Accord Coupe EX-L 5-Spd AT w/ Navigation System $28,160 31.37%
Accord Coupe EX-L V6 6MT $35,490 Accord Coupe EX-L V-6 6-Spd MT $28,310 34.85%
Accord Coupe EX-L V6 5AT $35,490 Accord Coupe EX-L V-6 5-Spd AT $28,310 34.85%
Accord Coupe EX-L V6 Navi 6MT $38,290 Accord Coupe EX-L V-6 6-Spd MT w/ Navigation System $30,510 35%
Accord Coupe EX-L V6 Navi 5AT $38,290 Accord Coupe EX-L V-6 5-Spd AT w/ Navigation System $30,510 35%
Accord Coupe LX-S 5-Spd MT $21,860




2008 Honda > Pilot
Canadian Trims Canada MSRP US Trims US MSRP Price Markup
Pilot SE-L RES $45,520 Pilot SE 4WD 5-Spd AT $32,995 48.4%
Pilot EX-L NAVI $46,690 Pilot EX-L 4WD 5-Spd AT w/ Navigation System $35,645 40.9%
Pilot LX 2WD $36,280
Pilot LX 4WD $39,820
Pilot SE RES $43,990
Pilot VP 2WD 5-Spd AT $27,595
Pilot VP 4WD 5-Spd AT $28,995



2008 Honda > CR-V US Model listed as inadmissible by Transport Canada
Canadian Trims Canada MSRP US Trims US MSRP Price Markup
LX-2WD $27,790 CR-V LX 2WD 5-Spd AT $20,700 44.41%
LX $29,790 CR-V LX 4WD 5-Spd AT $21,900 46.32%
EX $32,690 CR-V EX 4WD 5-Spd AT $24,150 45.61%
EX-L $35,190 CR-V EX-L 4WD 5-Spd AT $26,700 41.77%
EX-L NAVI $37,790 CR-V EX-L 4WD 5-Spd AT w/ Navigation System $28,400 43.14%



2008 Acura > MDX US Model listed as inadmissible by Transport Canada
Canadian Trims Canada MSRP US Trims US MSRP Price Markup
Acura MDX $52,250 2008 Acura MDX Base $40,195 39.83%
Acura MDX Technology Package $57,200 2008 Acura MDX Tech Package $43,695 40.82%
Acura MDX Elite Package $62,200 2008 Acura MDX Sport Package $45,795 46.1%



2008 Acura > RL
Canadian Trims Canada MSRP US Trims US MSRP Price Markup
RL 3.5 $63,900 Acura RL Sedan $46,280 48.52%
RL 3.5 Elite Package $69,500 Acura RL Technology Package $49,980 49.58%



Honda <NBundic_OakvilleHonda@gs.reyrey.com> wrote:


Dear Valued Customer:
We would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your business. It's loyal customers such as yourself that have made Oakville Honda the number one Honda dealership in our area and Readers Choice #1 dealer for 2006 and 2007.
We would like to take this opportunity to make you aware of Honda's New Deals for Canadians with UNPRECEDENTED OFFERS on 08's and selected 07's! It's available for a limited time only so if you or anyone you know is in the market for a new vehicle, there has never been a better time to get a Honda. Also take advantage of our special "Spin and Win" to win various gifts with any in stock units.
This promotion is only available at Oakville Honda.
Please contact us for details and we look forward to seeing you at Oakville Honda!
James Shin
General Sales Manager


500 Iroquois Shore Rd. 905-844-9831

OAKVILLE, ON

[showMeAnImport]

Besides the recall info a recall letter from Honda America is also supposed to include a clause that the car meets the standards of Canada. The only way an American can get such a letter is to prove they own the car, prove they are an american citizen ( passport) and prove they are relocating to Canada.

Let's not confuse things. There is a difference between a recall letter and an admissibility letter. Let's not confuse people. These are two different documents. Whether a car is admissible for import and whether or not there are any outstanding recalls on a vehicle are two independent issues.

If you have a vehicle that is on the inadmissible list then you need both an admissibility letter and a recall letter. If you have a vehicle that is on the admissible list then you only need a recall letter.

This is my understanding...unless you know something specific that goes against the general consensus on the matter...

Cheers

[ecgz88]

What secret rebate Honda are offer now? :)

[shopper-X]

Honda <NBundic_OakvilleHonda@gs.reyrey.com> wrote:


Dear Valued Customer:
We would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your business. It's loyal customers such as yourself that have made Oakville Honda the number one Honda dealership in our area and Readers Choice #1 dealer for 2006 and 2007.
We would like to take this opportunity to make you aware of Honda's New Deals for Canadians with UNPRECEDENTED OFFERS on 08's and selected 07's! It's available for a limited time only so if you or anyone you know is in the market for a new vehicle, there has never been a better time to get a Honda. Also take advantage of our special "Spin and Win" to win various gifts with any in stock units.
This promotion is only available at Oakville Honda.
Please contact us for details and we look forward to seeing you at Oakville Honda!
James Shin
General Sales Manager


500 Iroquois Shore Rd. 905-844-9831

OAKVILLE, ON

WTH? are they serious? they totally ignored your concerns and want you to "come to the office". I would email the same group back with the response above and say "Thank you for not listening and ignoring me. Good bye Honda, it was nice knowing you."

[diigii]

Actually, corporate attitude rubs off on On-track performance :D

I agree that statement is valid too. :cheesygri

[shoprbccom]

http://www.importcarcanada.com/main/index.php?topic=100.0

[EL820]

^ It's currently ~1.0350. This drop in our Loonie from 1.0800 translates to about $1200 hit in my pocket!! :(

[showMeAnImport]

^ It's currently ~1.0350. This drop in our Loonie from 1.0800 translates to about $1200 hit in my pocket!! :(

Big deal about the drop...it will be back up in a few days....you watch...

Cheers

[shopper-X]

Big deal about the drop...it will be back up in a few days....you watch...

Cheers

It's the long weekend and after a lot of weekends, the dollar climbs again.
Better to buy USD after a weekend and sell before one.

[scouzi]

WTH? are they serious? they totally ignored your concerns and want you to "come to the office". I would email the same group back with the response above and say "Thank you for not listening and ignoring me. Good bye Honda, it was nice knowing you."

Did you remind them of the Honda Phiolosophy in case they didn't remember it?

http://www.honda.ca/HondaCorp/en/about1.asp?navIndex=1&subNavIndex=1

[Raikkonen]

Did you remind them of the Honda Phiolosophy in case they didn't remember it?

http://www.honda.ca/HondaCorp/en/about1.asp?navIndex=1&subNavIndex=1


:lol: :lol:

The fourth "joy" should be the joy of GOUGING.

My favourite three Joys were triplets.....;)




From your link to the Honda website......LMFAO.....


It begins with Respect for the Individual. This comes from a fundamental belief that the Human Being is born with the capacity to think, reason and create and that at Honda we should strive to nurture and support these unique characteristics. How? By encouraging Initiative. By treating all individuals with Equality. By building a company that fosters Trust. At Honda, we believe that every interaction we have with our customers, dealers and fellow Associates should reflect this philosophy.

With this Respect we work together to better serve our customers with what we call The Three Joys.


Every person who comes in contact with a Honda should feel joy as a result.

By getting a product that exceeds their expectations, our customers experience the Joy of Buying.

By forming meaningful relationships with customers and servicing excellent products, our dealers experience the Joy of Selling.

And, by making innovative products that surpass customer expectations, our associates experience the Joy of Creating.





And #4.......

[Tender]

:lol: :lol:

The fourth "joy" should be the joy of GOUGING.....

Good to see someone speaking the same language (see post #8376).;)

[Raikkonen]

by finding the ways (through innovation) to block Canadians from buying in the U.S., our company experiences the Joy of Gouging customers.


good one friend...I'm pissing myself! :lol:

[scrolllock]

Although the dealerships are empty all cross the country, Canadians are still buying in Canada. Look at the new car sales number in October, it's actually up. With the record sales number, I can't see why automobile manufacturers will voluntarily lower their prices.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/071102-1.htm
Sales of new passenger vehicles and light trucks in Canada were up by 2.1 per cent in October, compared to the same period in 2006 and providing the fourth-best October sales on record

Richmond Hill, Ontario - Sales of new passenger vehicles and light trucks in Canada were up by 2.1 per cent in October, compared to the same period in 2006 and providing the fourth-best October sales on record, says industry analyst Dennis DesRosiers.

DesRosiers also notes that for the first time in about a decade, General Motors, Ford and Chrysler outperformed the market in October. "I looked and could not find a similar example going back almost ten years," DesRosiers says. "Their sales were up 8.7 per cent and important nameplate sales were down 4.0 per cent. I suspect some of this is fleet, but nonetheless, it is certainly something we haven't seen for a long time."

Sales of cars and light trucks in October were as follows:

Manufacturer September 2007 September 2006 Per cent change
Chrysler 15,411 15,020 +2.6
Ford 16,683 15,879 +6.2
General Motors 29,884 26,374 +13.7
Acura 1,254 1,741 -28.0
Audi 641 725 -11.6
BMW 1,783 1,765 +1.0
Honda 10,123 10,724 -5.6
Hyundai 5,803 5,801 0.0
Infiniti 480 545 -11.9
Jaguar 40 63 -36.5
Kia 2,919 2,455 +18.9
Land Rover 199 168 +18.5
Lexus 1,126 993 +13.4
Mazda 6,040 5,978 +1.0
Mercedes-Benz 1,491 1,197 +24.6
Mini 315 285 +10.5
Mitsubishi 1,381 855 +61.5
Nissan 5,851 5,715 + 2.4
Porsche 156 132 +18.2
Saab 171/td> 277 -38.3
Smart 17 206 -91.7
Subaru 1,446 1,422 + 1.7
Suzuki 1,082 1,067 + 1.4
Toyota 13,358 15,017 -11.0
Volkswagen 2,659 3,526 -24.6
Volvo 433 588 -26.4
Passenger Car 61,795 62,448 - 1.0
Light truck 59,131 55,969 + 5.6
Total light vehicle sales 120,926 118,417 + 2.1
Chrysler/Ford/GM 62,158 57,172 + 8.7
Import nameplates 58,768 61,245 - 4.0

Honda , Toyota and Acura are all down Looks like their pricing might be the issue... god knows now I know why I see 25 Honda commercials every night. Rather than lowering prices they are pissing away their money on advertising.

[sheriffabc]

imho in doing our calculations in purchasing vehicles from US - we should do our calculations at parity to US$. As the Can$ will fluctuate - I believe parity is a safe figure to work with. And even at that we are saving $$$$$$. Remember we were buying even when our Can$ was 0.90US.

[scrolllock]

Let's not confuse things. There is a difference between a recall letter and an admissibility letter. Let's not confuse people. These are two different documents. Whether a car is admissible for import and whether or not there are any outstanding recalls on a vehicle are two independent issues.

If you have a vehicle that is on the inadmissible list then you need both an admissibility letter and a recall letter. If you have a vehicle that is on the admissible list then you only need a recall letter.

This is my understanding...unless you know something specific that goes against the general consensus on the matter...

Cheers

Honda US - the warranty and compliance department specialist told me this on October 5th, after I faxed them my Drivers licence , Invoice and retail sales certificate. They all so told me they only would issue it to a U>S citizen that was being transferred to Canada, and that they would need all the proof.

[HOiYA]

Honda told me I had to fax them a driver's license, proof of insurance in the US, and the permanent DMV registration in order to get the recall clearance letter.

The reason why I brought up the letter of admissibility is that it seems all of 2008 Honda/Acura cars (except a small handful) are inadmissible.




Honda US - the warranty and compliance department specialist told me this on October 5th, after I faxed them my Drivers licence , Invoice and retail sales certificate. They all so told me they only would issue it to a U>S citizen that was being transferred to Canada, and that they would need all the proof.

[reddy54]

Honda , Toyota and Acura are all down Looks like their pricing might be the issue... god knows now I know why I see 25 Honda commercials every night. Rather than lowering prices they are pissing away their money on advertising.

Honda actually did lower their prices. They are now giving a $2000-$4000 rebate on the 2008 Accords. These cars are now cheaper than the Toyota Camry and look a lot better. Still cheaper by about $3500 to get a Camry in the USA vs a 2008 Accord. My problem is that the car is for my wife and she loves the Accord and hates the look of the new Camrys

[shopper-X]

Honda actually did lower their prices. They are now giving a $2000-$4000 rebate on the 2008 Accords. These cars are now cheaper than the Toyota Camry and look a lot better. Still cheaper by about $3500 to get a Camry in the USA vs a 2008 Accord. My problem is that the car is for my wife and she loves the Accord and hates the look of the new Camrys

Is she basing her decision solely based on looks?
I drove both vehicles along with the 2008 Subaru Legacy 2.5GT and even with less power (243hp H4 vs 268hp v6) it felt more alive.

[Nitol]

This thread should be published as a book :lol:

Where do you recommend for money exchange?
Best rates in GTA area?

[J233]

OK, this is becoming a bit of a pain...yesterday I learned about Michigan imposing a sales tax on cars exported to Canada. Today, I almost closed a deal for a beautiful demo in Ohio and the sales guy started the paperwork. He called me an hr later and told me with apologies that it turns out that Ohio, as of end of October, charges a state tax for cars exported to Canada too!. All of this contradicts my understanding that we should not be paying any state tax. I don't think I will be adding 6% to the deal so back to square one..:mad:

[c3uo]

To the above poster. The rules definately vary by state, but a quick internet search showed that Ohio laws state that Canadian residents do not pay sales tax. See link below (mind you law could have changed since this was written).

http://bmv.ohio.gov/title/title_directives/2006/Purchases%20of%20Motor%20Vehicles%20by%20Nonreside nts%20of%20Ohio.pdf

[Tender]

Honda actually did lower their prices. They are now giving a $2000-$4000 rebate on the 2008 Accords. These cars are now cheaper than the Toyota Camry and look a lot better. Still cheaper by about $3500 to get a Camry in the USA vs a 2008 Accord. My problem is that the car is for my wife and she loves the Accord and hates the look of the new Camrys

Man you must be handsome. (JK)

[jnmontario]

I did my usual education session the other night at a party only to find out the guy I was standing next to owned a Chrysler dealership. <embarrassing> He tried to use the argument you've read about in the papers that vehicles coming off of leases would have no resale value if the invoice prices dropped. He went on to say that the only way the car industry in Canada will likely ever respond is to give manufacturer rebates for new purchases (which de facto means that the manufacturers want to keep used vehicle prices high doesn't it?) and only SLOWLY bring invoice prices down. At least he didn't insult my intelligence like Toyota Canada did by saying that the vehicles in Canada are made especially for the climate.

[HighFlyer]

CTV's Consumer Alert did a segment today on someone bringing back a used 2006 Audi A4.... saving $12K.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/HTMLTemplate?tf=/ctv/mar/video/new_player.html&cf=ctv/mar/ctv.cfg&hub=TorontoHome&video_link_high=mms://ctvbroadcast.ctv.ca/video/2007/11/12/ctvvideologger3_194866574_1194910428_500kbps.wmv&video_link_low=mms://ctvbroadcast.ctv.ca/video/2007/11/12/ctvvideologger3_194866573_1194908993_218kbps.wmv&clip_start=00:00:27.12&clip_end=00:02:26.14&clip_caption=CTV%20Toronto:%20Pat%20Foran%20on%20i mporting%20used%20cars&clip_id=ctvnews.20071112.00221000-00221993-clip1&subhub=video&no_ads=&sortdate=20070607&slug=toronto_consumer_pat_foran2&archive=CTVNews

The buyer calls this currency situation a 'once in a lifetime opportunity'.

[whampoa]

OK, this is becoming a bit of a pain...yesterday I learned about Michigan imposing a sales tax on cars exported to Canada. Today, I almost closed a deal for a beautiful demo in Ohio and the sales guy started the paperwork. He called me an hr later and told me with apologies that it turns out that Ohio, as of end of October, charges a state tax for cars exported to Canada too!. All of this contradicts my understanding that we should not be paying any state tax. I don't think I will be adding 6% to the deal so back to square one..:mad:


To the above poster. The rules definately vary by state, but a quick internet search showed that Ohio laws state that Canadian residents do not pay sales tax. See link below (mind you law could have changed since this was written).

http://bmv.ohio.gov/title/title_directives/2006/Purchases%20of%20Motor%20Vehicles%20by%20Nonreside nts%20of%20Ohio.pdf

J233, why don't you call Diane, her phone number is in the link, to clarify Ohio state in regard to your question. Instead of relying on the dealer.

One way or another somebody is taking you for a ride.

[bluemule999]

You need to negotiate a little harder. Ask for prices from other dealers first (use Edmunds.com). Let them know that there are other dealers involved. Xan will give you a good price.

I am financing through a home equity line of credit. Interest is lower. Even with a higher interest rate, how can you say that you will pay more than 15K in interest? How long do you plan on keeping the loan?



I called him (Xan) and the quote he gave me was pretty much the same as the price I got from Bill McBride in Plattsburgh... more or less 500$ but for the distance and time it wasnt worth it for me...

I assume everybody here is not paying cash and financing this thru a car loan. After factoring in the higher interest rate than the local dealers offer sometimes (1.9% etc...) is the savings that great?

Marc

[J233]

J233, why don't you call Diane, her phone number is in the link, to clarify Ohio state in regard to your question. Instead of relying on the dealer.

One way or another somebody is taking you for a ride.

Right, I just wrote down the number and will call them first thing tomorrow morning !

BTW, tx for the link c3uo !

[Nitol]

To the above poster. The rules definately vary by state, but a quick internet search showed that Ohio laws state that Canadian residents do not pay sales tax. See link below (mind you law could have changed since this was written).

http://bmv.ohio.gov/title/title_directives/2006/Purchases%20of%20Motor%20Vehicles%20by%20Nonreside nts%20of%20Ohio.pdf

There is a new (the newest on Ohio Tax site) Amendment for Tax application to eight US states but there is no mention of Canada.
I just purchased a vehicle from an Ohio dealer thinking I don't have to pay a US tax >:(
http://tax.ohio.gov/divisions/sales_and_use/documents/MVDealerNReff8-1-07.pdf

[bluemule999]

I drove down to NH today to pay for my Legacy and deliver paperwork to US Customs at Highgate Springs (Phillipsburg on CDN side). No issues. Took 2 minutes. They stamped the certificate of origin and reminded me of the 72 hour wait period. Also, said that they export cars between 8am-4pm. The agent said that the time restriction is for commercial dealers and that they may export outside these hours for a personal car. I suspect that it depends on the agent. I will not take he chance.

Anybody export new car from Highgate Springs on a Saturday? I mentioned that I planned to export on Saturday and the agent did not say anything. But, I forgot to ask him directly.

Also, I met a fellow Subaru owner at Manchester coming from Ottawa. He was picking up his Outback. Congrats again!!!

[vipernig]

Can you tell the guy you are from another state so that you do not pay the taxes and then just import the car?

[yyz2hkg]

Can you tell the guy you are from another state so that you do not pay the taxes and then just import the car?

What happens if they ask for proof you're from out of State...

[flatman]

Found the Ohio Tax info:

http://obg.ohio.gov/genoverviewDNRMVST.shtml

General Tax Information



New Ohio statute, R.C. 5739.029, provides that motor vehicle dealers collect Ohio sales tax when selling a vehicle(s) to a resident of a state where that state charges sales tax to Ohio residents, or to residents of other countries. For a temporary time period from August 1, 2007 until June 30, 2008, the tax collected on sales of vehicles to residents of Arizona, California, Florida, Indiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, South Carolina and Washington will be paid directly to the State of Ohio through OBG, instead of the County Clerks of Courts. After July 1, 2008, the tax will be paid to the Clerk of Courts as done with all other motor vehicle transactions.

[katharinakong]

I live in Toronto and planning to buy a Subaru from Rochester. Assuming the closest route would be via Niagara. There are 3 ports in the Niagara, and can I bring my car in through any one of them. Which on has the longest opening hours. Could someone who have done it share their experience.

Thank you in advance :lol:

[yyz2hkg]

I live in Toronto and planning to buy a Subaru from Rochester. Assuming the closest route would be via Niagara. There are 3 ports in the Niagara, and can I bring my car in through any one of them. Which on has the longest opening hours. Could someone who have done it share their experience.

Thank you in advance :lol:

Taken from carburner.com. It's all there.

For Queenston/Lewiston crossing
General Phone: 1-716-282-1500
Fax Number: 1-716-285-3565
This is the only crossing on the Niagara River (between Ontario and New York) that can process both exports from the US and imports to Canada. The US side only processes cars Monday to Friday up to 4:00 P.M. local time. Canada Customs can process cars 24/7. US Customs will accept faxed documents 72 hours prior to export. The US export office is the first building on the left as you leave the US but requires you to cross 12 inspection lanes coming toward you. Go to Room #135 - far end of hall.

[Nitol]

Found the Ohio Tax info:

http://obg.ohio.gov/genoverviewDNRMVST.shtml

General Tax Information



New Ohio statute, R.C. 5739.029, provides that motor vehicle dealers collect Ohio sales tax when selling a vehicle(s) to a resident of a state where that state charges sales tax to Ohio residents, or to residents of other countries. For a temporary time period from August 1, 2007 until June 30, 2008, the tax collected on sales of vehicles to residents of Arizona, California, Florida, Indiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, South Carolina and Washington will be paid directly to the State of Ohio through OBG, instead of the County Clerks of Courts. After July 1, 2008, the tax will be paid to the Clerk of Courts as done with all other motor vehicle transactions.

This is the exception part of R.C. 5739.029 Amendment.I'm no lawyer but I think it states the exceptions under section B(which will include Canadians as well) where no tax is due.



5739.029 Nonresident consumer motor vehicle sales tax.

(A) Notwithstanding sections 5739.02, 5739.021, 5739.023, 5739.026, 5741.02, 5741.021, 5741.022, and 5741.023 of the Revised Code, and except as otherwise provided in division (B) of this section, the tax due under this chapter on the sale of a motor vehicle required to be titled under Chapter 4505. of the Revised Code by a motor vehicle dealer to a consumer that is a nonresident of this state shall be the lesser of the amount of tax that would be due under this chapter and Chapter 5741. of the Revised Code if the total combined rate were six per cent, or the amount of tax that would be due, to the state in which the consumer titles or registers the motor vehicle or to which the consumer removes the vehicle for use.

(B) No tax is due under this section, any other section of this chapter, or Chapter 5741. of the Revised Code under any of the following circumstances:

(1)(a) The consumer intends to immediately remove the motor vehicle from this state for use outside this state;

(b) Upon removal of the motor vehicle from this state, the consumer intends to title or register the vehicle in another state if such titling or registration is required;

(c) The consumer executes an affidavit as required under division (C) of this section affirming the consumer’s intentions under divisions (B)(1)(a) and (b) of this section


http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/5739.029

[scouzi]

There is a new (the newest on Ohio Tax site) Amendment for Tax application to eight US states but there is no mention of Canada.
I just purchased a vehicle from an Ohio dealer thinking I don't have to pay a US tax >:(
http://tax.ohio.gov/divisions/sales_and_use/documents/MVDealerNReff8-1-07.pdf

It does say this:

http://tax.ohio.gov/divisions/sales_and_use/documents/MVDealerNReff8-1-07.pdf

Sales to residents of any other state not listed above are not subject to Ohio tax, provided the
proper affidavit for nonresident sales is completed by the purchaser and tendered to the Clerks of
Court when application for title is made.

Canadian provinces are considered states from the previous law. So Canadians do not have to pay taxes provided they sign the affidavit.

Definition of state from Ohio perspective:

http://bmv.ohio.gov/title/title_directives/2006/Purchases%20of%20Motor%20Vehicles%20by%20Nonreside nts%20of%20Ohio.pdf

Based on this definition, “another state” will include the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam,
American Samoa, any other U.S. territory. The new change will now include the provinces of Canada. Purchases by residents
of the 50 states, or any of the other listed jurisdictions will not be subject to sales tax, provided the proper nonresident
certificate of exemption is issued by the purchaser. Residents of other countries, except Canada, are not eligible for the
nonresident exemption and should pay Ohio sales tax on vehicles purchased in Ohio.

At least that's the way I see it :)

[k2lc]

Just had my 2006 US Subaru Outback checked/fixed in Canada under warranty. Here are what I found:

1, Starting from 2008 models, all US Subaru cars' owners need to pay the warranty fixes by themselves first then contact US Subaru for re-imbursement. Cars before 2008 (2007, 2006...) need not to pay.

2, Be noted Canada warranty is different with US's. Do give US a call if the dealer told you that your warranty is not covered. My case, it was a oil leakage from the Power Steeling line cap (clamp loose). It just needs tightened and it is falling into Adjustment. Canada warranty only cover any Adjustment for only 1 year but US's covers bump to bump for 3 years. Asked the dealer to call the Subaru US and settled with no charge on me.

3, Subaru Richmond Hill is highly recommended. very patient and helpful.

[toolman]

It does say this:

http://tax.ohio.gov/divisions/sales_and_use/documents/MVDealerNReff8-1-07.pdf

Sales to residents of any other state not listed above are not subject to Ohio tax, provided the
proper affidavit for nonresident sales is completed by the purchaser and tendered to the Clerks of
Court when application for title is made.

Canadian provinces are considered states from the previous law. So Canadians do not have to pay taxes provided they sign the affidavit.

Definition of state from Ohio perspective:

http://bmv.ohio.gov/title/title_directives/2006/Purchases%20of%20Motor%20Vehicles%20by%20Nonreside nts%20of%20Ohio.pdf

Based on this definition, “another state” will include the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam,
American Samoa, any other U.S. territory. The new change will now include the provinces of Canada. Purchases by residents
of the 50 states, or any of the other listed jurisdictions will not be subject to sales tax, provided the proper nonresident
certificate of exemption is issued by the purchaser. Residents of other countries, except Canada, are not eligible for the
nonresident exemption and should pay Ohio sales tax on vehicles purchased in Ohio.

At least that's the way I see it :)

It worked for me. My dealer had me sign the affidavit and I did not have to pay the sales tax.

[J233]

It worked for me. My dealer had me sign the affidavit and I did not have to pay the sales tax.

Was this a recent purchase ? In Ohio ? What kind of affidavit ?

[Dreyfus]

sympatico.msn.ca has a slide show comparing prices of small medium sedans and one suv. Interesting some as low as $600 with highest being Camry over $7,000 mostly around $3,000 no doubt there has been some narrowing. Compares msrp only, assume cash backs etc. not included.

[sheriffabc]

You need to negotiate a little harder. Ask for prices from other dealers first (use Edmunds.com). Let them know that there are other dealers involved. Xan will give you a good price.

I am financing through a home equity line of credit. Interest is lower. Even with a higher interest rate, how can you say that you will pay more than 15K in interest? How long do you plan on keeping the loan?


I checked Van Bortel, West Herr and Fitzmall. The best price for a Subaru was from Gus at Fitzmall (1888-670-4800). The car is in my driveway now all plated!!!

[endura]

why is hamburg honda, a honda dealership in niagara falls ontario allowed to sell a u.s model ridgeline? (look at the speedometer)

http://www.trader.ca/powerpage/details.aspx?vlotid=117124&adid=6359066

[superwell]

For those of you that don't want to do the leg work yourself here is a "broker" i guess that will do the work for you

www.ezimprt.ca

Saw this in the star about 4 days ago in the new car section.

[DSTU]

why is hamburg honda, a honda dealership in niagara falls ontario allowed to sell a u.s model ridgeline? (look at the speedometer)

http://www.trader.ca/powerpage/details.aspx?vlotid=117124&adid=6359066

Notify Honda Canada, maybe they'll suspend their dealership.

[superwell]

Notify Honda Canada, maybe they'll suspend their dealership.

why? It's nice to see that CDN dealerships are starting to do a "broker" service so to speak for some here in CDN. Some people here, not matter how easy it is will never bring a car up from the US...so being able to get a car for a few $$$ more here and have all the leg work done for you...it a good option for some. Myself...I can't wait till the new year..US AND....INFINITI EX..HERE I COME

[yklivan]

Hi guys,

I also want to buy a Subaru Outback and bring it back to Montreal but I don't know if there are anyone who succeeded in doing so. Do we need to check with SAAQ for any additional provincial laws? Which port is closest and easiest to get through? Can the car dealer send the document to the US customs 72 before we go to pick up the car?

[cavuu]

why is hamburg honda, a honda dealership in niagara falls ontario allowed to sell a u.s model ridgeline? (look at the speedometer)

http://www.trader.ca/powerpage/details.aspx?vlotid=117124&adid=6359066

Does it have a Honda warranty??

[endura]

why? It's nice to see that CDN dealerships are starting to do a "broker" service so to speak for some here in CDN. Some people here, not matter how easy it is will never bring a car up from the US...so being able to get a car for a few $$$ more here and have all the leg work done for you...it a good option for some. Myself...I can't wait till the new year..US AND....INFINITI EX..HERE I COME

umm. well, they're selling a 'used car' with 2000miles on it for $36KCdn. with no warranty. no special financing either. I really don't see the point, if you're comfortable with no warranty, just go to the states yourself and save yourself $6000 and get 'new'.

[endura]

Does it have a Honda warranty??


no

[cavuu]

no
You asked them?

[hotgo]

Hi guys,

I also want to buy a Subaru Outback and bring it back to Montreal but I don't know if there are anyone who succeeded in doing so. Do we need to check with SAAQ for any additional provincial laws? Which port is closest and easiest to get through? Can the car dealer send the document to the US customs 72 before we go to pick up the car?

There are quite a few people who have done exactly that. Please review this thread and the linked "FAQ" sites for information before asking such a vague question. It's all been asked many times before...

[endura]

You asked them?

yup

[paul_lee]

Hi guys,

I also want to buy a Subaru Outback and bring it back to Montreal but I don't know if there are anyone who succeeded in doing so. Do we need to check with SAAQ for any additional provincial laws? Which port is closest and easiest to get through? Can the car dealer send the document to the US customs 72 before we go to pick up the car?

I bought one Outback from Van Bortel Karl last week. Very easy to work with. He will do the paper work for you before you go there and you only need to pay when you pickup your car. PM me if you need more details.

[diigii]

I checked Van Bortel, West Herr and Fitzmall. The best price for a Subaru was from Gus at Fitzmall (1888-670-4800). The car is in my driveway now all plated!!!

Pictures!!! Pictures!!!

[diigii]

why is hamburg honda, a honda dealership in niagara falls ontario allowed to sell a u.s model ridgeline? (look at the speedometer)

http://www.trader.ca/powerpage/details.aspx?vlotid=117124&adid=6359066

Oh, such hypocrites! :mad:

[Rehan]

why is hamburg honda, a honda dealership in niagara falls ontario allowed to sell a u.s model ridgeline? (look at the speedometer)

http://www.trader.ca/powerpage/details.aspx?vlotid=117124&adid=6359066 I feel sorry for the sucker who'll buy that vehicle and then find out later that there's no warranty on it. And look at that price they're asking! So much for the theory that US cars have no resale value...

[diigii]

My colleague here at work is ready to import her next US car after she asked about the import process. She is interested in looking at the 2008 Ford Escape Hybrid. So, if I may ask, anybody here who have bought a Ford in the US, preferably in the East Coast. Pls pm me with your dealer info and contact. Thanks very much.

P.S. I'm not a corporate snitch. :razz:

[reddy54]

I feel sorry for the sucker who'll buy that vehicle and then find out later that there's no warranty on it. And look at that price they're asking! So much for the theory that US cars have no resale value...

With the profit they are making I bet that the dealer will buy a warranty plan from a 3 rd party to match the Honda warranty

[Tender]

With the profit they are making I bet that the dealer will buy a warranty plan from a 3 rd party to match the Honda warranty

Why? The dealer can simply ask the guy to get all his services done at their place, saving another bunch while gouging customers.

[JEB08]

I'm on the verge of purchasing a 2007 Acura MDX in the US. I am aware of Ensurall's third party warranty coverage but have heard that Honda Canada will also sell warranty coverage. I called an Acura dealer in Calgary about this and was treated predictably poor since I wasn't buying vehicle from them. Has anyone purchased a Honda/Acura warranty for a Honda/Acura vehicle purchased in the US?? If so, what was cost, coverage, term length/KM's?? Does this warranty coverage include recalls? Ensurall's coverage doesn't include recalls. Any other tips would be appreciated!!

[PaulieScatone]

I'm on the verge of purchasing a 2007 Acura MDX in the US. I am aware of Ensurall's third party warranty coverage but have heard that Honda Canada will also sell warranty coverage. I called an Acura dealer in Calgary about this and was treated predictably poor since I wasn't buying vehicle from them. Has anyone purchased a Honda/Acura warranty for a Honda/Acura vehicle purchased in the US?? If so, what was cost, coverage, term length/KM's?? Does this warranty coverage include recalls? Ensurall's coverage doesn't include recalls. Any other tips would be appreciated!!

Recalls and Warranties are 2 separate entities. Recalls are independant of the warranty. Recalls items must be corrected by the manufacutures by law , regardless of the vehicle warranty status.

You are looking at less than $1000 for aftermarket warranty.

[Abstract_Thought]

Quick Question, is the Altima coupe subject to the 6.1% import duty?

I see it's assembled in Tennessee, so I assume not. But I want to be 100% sure.

[t_garp]

MISSISSAUGA, ON, Nov. 9 /CNW/ - Nissan Canada Inc. (NCI) today announced
a series of new manufacturer-to-dealer purchase incentives across its Nissan
and Infiniti vehicle lines. These incentives mean additional savings for
consumers of up to $8,000 on cash vehicle purchases, and finance rates as low
as 1.9 percent on select models.
These new offers come in addition to NCI's already impressive incentives
and finance and lease rates and will be in effect until November 30, 2007.
"Canadian consumers have demonstrated their strong affinity for our
well-priced, innovatively designed, fun-to-drive Nissan and Infiniti vehicles,
driving NCI sales up over 18 per cent to date in 2007," said Mark Grimm,
President & CEO, NCI. "But customers have clearly been looking for more value
in new vehicle pricing and we're happy to respond by providing even more
reasons to buy or lease a new Nissan or Infiniti vehicle."
New cash incentives introduced range from $1,000 on the 2008 Nissan
Sentra to $8,000 on 2008 Infiniti QX56 and Nissan Armada. Lease rates start
from 3.9% and finance rates as low as 1.9% on select models.
For a complete list of cash incentives, please refer to the table below.

<<
New Limited-Time Cash Purchase Incentives:

Vehicle Cash Incentive
------------------------------------------------------------------
- 2007 Nissan 350Z $ 5,500
- 2007 Nissan Murano $ 4,000
- 2008 Nissan Sentra $ 1,000 - $ 1,500
- 2008 Nissan Altima/HEV $ 2,000 (2.5L) - $ 4,000 (3.5L)
- 2008 Nissan Altima Coupe $ 2,000 (2.5L) - $ 4,000 (3.5L)
- 2008 Nissan Maxima $ 4,000
- 2008 Nissan Xterra $ 4,000
- 2008 Nissan Pathfinder $ 4,500
- 2008 Nissan Armada $ 8,000
- 2008 Nissan Frontier $ 3,000
- 2008 Nissan Titan $ 6,000
- 2008 Nissan Quest $ 3,000
- 2007 Infiniti G35 $ 4,500
- 2007 Infiniti M35/M45 $ 6,500
- 2008 Infiniti G35 $ 3,000
- 2008 Infiniti G37 Coupe $ 3,000
- 2008 Infiniti FX $ 6,000
- 2008 Infiniti QX56 $ 8,000

Sweet! It's a good start, but nor enough....$3k on a G35 doesn't make up for the 10k price difference...

[giaotze]

Hi Guys
I found a 2008 Toyota Sienna that's made before Sept 1, 2007. Finally.
Supposedly I should be able to import it right? But since 2008 Sienna is banned I heard that I need a exemption letter. I read through so many forums online and some people said that Toyota stop giving out exemption letter and clearance letter for the cars in the inadmissible list, even if it's made before sept 1.
Is that true?
Can someone help me here? It's kinda urgent 'cause I don't want that van to be bought away :!: :!:
Thanks a lot guys

[endura]

why is hamburg honda, a honda dealership in niagara falls ontario allowed to sell a u.s model ridgeline? (look at the speedometer)

http://www.trader.ca/powerpage/details.aspx?vlotid=117124&adid=6359066

here's another one, this time a nissan dealer.

http://www.trader.ca/powerpage/details.aspx?vlotid=350551&adid=6558696

This is so hypocritical, they must think the average canadian is an absolute moron.

[Double_J]

I just noticed this thread has over 1 million views. Wow, just crazy.

[endura]

here's another one, this time a nissan dealer.

http://www.trader.ca/powerpage/details.aspx?vlotid=350551&adid=6558696

This is so hypocritical, they must think the average canadian is an absolute moron.


another 'official' canadian nissan dealer.

http://www.trader.ca/powerpage/details.aspx?vlotid=301484&adid=6530571

[Tender]

Sweet! It's a good start, but nor enough....$3k on a G35 doesn't make up for the 10k price difference...

Well Nissan USA offers close if not the same incentives. So it's just another nice trick from Nissan Canada.

[Rehan]

US Toyota Siennas at Toyota dealerships:
http://www.trader.ca/powerpage/details.aspx?vlotid=1685519&adid=6545086
http://www.trader.ca/powerpage/details.aspx?vlotid=65341&adid=6515333

There's a pretty large selection of 2007 Siennas from used car dealers, too (with prices more reasonable than what the big name dealerships are asking...but then again, they're almost all former rental vans).

[longdong]

No the Toyota sienna 2008 made before september 2007 is on the adminissiable list. The dealer is able to print the clearance letter for you on this vehicle.




Hi Guys
I found a 2008 Toyota Sienna that's made before Sept 1, 2007. Finally.
Supposedly I should be able to import it right? But since 2008 Sienna is banned I heard that I need a exemption letter. I read through so many forums online and some people said that Toyota stop giving out exemption letter and clearance letter for the cars in the inadmissible list, even if it's made before sept 1.
Is that true?
Can someone help me here? It's kinda urgent 'cause I don't want that van to be bought away :!: :!:
Thanks a lot guys

[longdong]

Nissan USA is giving better discount than Nissan Canada. So the price list is useless




Sweet! It's a good start, but nor enough....$3k on a G35 doesn't make up for the 10k price difference...

[whampoa]

These are very unreasonable prices. US Sienna LE without packages is very close to Canadian Sienna CE. US Sienna LE does not have alloy wheels, console, power doors, etc. They are asking for Sienna LE 2007 with 20000miles on it 29000$. You can get brand new canadian 2008 Sienna CE for:
31750 (base price)
+1400$ (PDI)
-1000$ (rebate)
-1150$ (negotiate with dealer)
=31000.

That is just 2000$ difference between used US car and new Canadian car! Does not make sense.

Of course it doesn't make any sense, look you're buying from a Canadian dealership who swindle the regular car buying public at both end of the stick.

[yyz2hkg]

Quick Question, is the Altima coupe subject to the 6.1% import duty?

I see it's assembled in Tennessee, so I assume not. But I want to be 100% sure.

No Duty applied.

Just to reiterate where the Nissan Altima is assembled – Smyrna, Tennessee and Canton, Mississippi. Good Luck!

[dotcalamitie]

Our dealer supplied clearance letter was rejected by RIV. We "appealed it" but were told that once the letter is rejected there is no recourse. So we called Toyota USA this morning and they faxed us a clearance letter an hour later and RIV was happy with that. What a pile of ********.

[stock_junkie]

Hey guys I've completed all the steps for importing but I have 2 quick questions:

1. Was the Provincial licensing office supposed to keep my Certificate of Origin when the gave me the ownership slip? (I'm not sure if they kept on purpose or forgot to give it back to me!)

2. How do I let RIV know I've completed everything so that they send me the Canadian Certification Label?

Thanks!

[scouzi]

Our dealer supplied clearance letter was rejected by RIV. We "appealed it" but were told that once the letter is rejected there is no recourse. So we called Toyota USA this morning and they faxed us a clearance letter an hour later and RIV was happy with that. What a pile of ********.

Since when do they reject those? I had a dealer printout and it was OK.

[yyz2hkg]

Hey guys I've completed all the steps for importing but I have 2 quick questions:

1. Was the Provincial licensing office supposed to keep my Certificate of Origin when the gave me the ownership slip? (I'm not sure if they kept on purpose or forgot to give it back to me!)

2. How do I let RIV know I've completed everything so that they send me the Canadian Certification Label?

Thanks!

1. Yes...but should give you a photocopy.

2. Canadian Tire of all places would've sent everything in for you, nothing more on your part. In a few days, you can call to confirm, and maybe 2 weeks later, you should receive the label.

[stock_junkie]

Thanks for the reply! Am I safe to drive the car while I'm waiting for the label if I have my plates and insurance?


1. Yes...but should give you a photocopy.

2. Canadian Tire of all places would've sent everything in for you, nothing more on your part. In a few days, you can call to confirm, and maybe 2 weeks later, you should receive the label.

[accorder]

sympatico.msn.ca has a slide show comparing prices of small medium sedans and one suv. Interesting some as low as $600 with highest being Camry over $7,000 mostly around $3,000 no doubt there has been some narrowing. Compares msrp only, assume cash backs etc. not included.
here is a better site that compares CAN and USA MSRPs with exchange rate factored in.

http://www.ATaleofTwoPrices.com

[hotgo]

For those picking up a car in the 1st/2nd week of December, are you getting the US$ converted now? Or hope that the rates improve but risk them getting worse? I wish I had been ready last week when we had the $1.10 upswing :(

[SeeWhy2]

For those picking up a car in the 1st/2nd week of December, are you getting the US$ converted now? Or hope that the rates improve but risk them getting worse? I wish I had been ready last week when we had the $1.10 upswing :(

Got mine last week at $1.07 - saved about $1,350.00 on $26,000.00 :cheesygri
FYI,

[accorder]

For those picking up a car in the 1st/2nd week of December, are you getting the US$ converted now? Or hope that the rates improve but risk them getting worse? I wish I had been ready last week when we had the $1.10 upswing :(

no one can tell where the rate is going for sure. personally I think the there is chance for it go back around 1.10. anyway, do your import work at 1CAD=1USD and any additional savings will be a bonus to you.

[diigii]

here's another one, this time a nissan dealer.

http://www.trader.ca/powerpage/details.aspx?vlotid=350551&adid=6558696

This is so hypocritical, they must think the average canadian is an absolute moron.

Yeah, that's what my reaction to this in my post earlier.

I am now evaluating where I should have my oil changes done. Should I keep going to my local Canadian dealership where I've been a loyal service customer during the warranty period or should I cross to Buffalo and give them my business? It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth, really! HYPOCRITES! :mad: Or I can just go to Costco with their $23.79 oil change and they even use Castrol GTX!

[PaulieScatone]

Yeah, that's what my reaction to this in my post earlier.

I am now evaluating where I should have my oil changes done. Should I keep going to my local Canadian dealership where I've been a loyal service customer during the warranty period or should I cross to Buffalo and give them my business? It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth, really! HYPOCRITES! :mad: Or I can just go to Costco with their $23.79 oil change and they even use Castrol GTX!

How about new Tires. Anyone come across some good savings on high end tires like Michelin mxv4 z rated tires? Just curious.

Might as well, If i'm going over for shopping anyways.....

[tor_forsale]

i was browsing for toyota recall check online , and found this dealer site,
http://www.ehrlichtoyota.com/recall.aspx
its somewhere in CO state, i send him online info for one of the toyota 07 sienna VIN number, with my number and email id, he immediately reply me by phone and email saying no recalls on that 07 model , i just pick up one from here http://tinyurl.com/2ejhqb to try if this dealer replies, -- and he did

try contacting him for your 08 model and see what he can do

good luck


Hi Guys
I found a 2008 Toyota Sienna that's made before Sept 1, 2007. Finally.
Supposedly I should be able to import it right? But since 2008 Sienna is banned I heard that I need a exemption letter. I read through so many forums online and some people said that Toyota stop giving out exemption letter and clearance letter for the cars in the inadmissible list, even if it's made before sept 1.
Is that true?
Can someone help me here? It's kinda urgent 'cause I don't want that van to be bought away :!: :!:
Thanks a lot guys

[diigii]

How about new Tires. Anyone come across some good savings

www.tiredirect.com is the cheapest I've seen so far. Too bad, they don't ship in Canada like tirerack.com. I'm planning to go to Detroit to visit relatives and have the winter tires shipped to their house. Who in Canada could beat Yokohama's new IG20 winter tire for US$79?? :cheesygri

[yyz2hkg]

How about new Tires. Anyone come across some good savings on high end tires like Michelin mxv4 z rated tires? Just curious.

Might as well, If i'm going over for shopping anyways.....

Not to ThreadJack or go OT, everyone's talking about TireRack.com and the incredible savings after delivery and customs/duties. A couple of hundred dollars cheaper than in Canada. I ordered from them and had them sent to my dealer in the States.

[moguy]

well it's not just cars.

My projector just died and so i need a replacement (for my dedicated Home Theater)

Panasonic AE2000 sells for 2699US and $4999 CDN.

Fricken ridiculous.

[yyz2hkg]

Thanks for the reply! Am I safe to drive the car while I'm waiting for the label if I have my plates and insurance?

I did...the label didn't come in a few weeks, so I called the RIV to have them send a replacement fearing it was lost in the mail. the next day, it came...3 weeks later.

[apesma]

Hundreds of vehicles labelled lemons in the United States are turning up at Canadian dealerships where some unsuspecting customers are being offered defective cars, CBC News has learned.

In one instance, a Kia minivan that originally sold for $28,100 US in Florida was sold at auction to a Winnipeg dealer for $13,100 US after it was declared a lemon. It ended up on a Winnipeg car lot where it was recently found on sale for $24,980 and with no warnings about its history.

Unlike the U.S., Canada has no lemon laws despite attempts to establish them in British Columbia, Manitoba and Ontario.

Eric Schrepel, who bought the 2006 Kia minivan brand new from a Florida dealership, said the battery died four times in less than 18 months and no mechanic could solve the problem.

"There was some sort of short that they just couldn't locate in the car. Kia makes a very good car. But I think this one is just literally — it was just a lemon," Schrepel told CBC News.

The manufacturer followed the letter of the law in Florida and bought back the van. It later resold it to the Winnipeg dealer.

Continue Article

A salesman at the Winnipeg car lot would only say the van had been designated a lemon in Florida after being asked several times. Even then he guaranteed the van would perform properly.

While the definition of lemon varies by state, it most often means that despite several trips to the dealer's service department, a vehicle continues to have a serious problem.

Once a vehicle is declared a lemon, the manufacturer has to buy it back. But there's nothing to stop the manufacturer from reselling it.

While all 50 states have lemon laws, only 19 require the title of a car declared a lemon to carry a warning. When a dealer sells a lemon out-of-state, the lemon designation is often not carried over.

A CBC News investigation found that between May 1, 2006, and Nov. 5, 2007, 852 American lemons were imported into Canada, with more than 110 of those crossing the border since the Canadian dollar reached parity.

[mangoman]

So if someone knows they're buying a US-origin used car, spending an extra $20-30 bucks to get a carfax report would take care of unknowingly purchasing a previously declared "lemon" right? :?: Problem solved.

[diigii]

That's why I bought my car in Maryland. They have a lemon law and that was peace of mind for me since I'm here in Toronto. When I picked my car, I signed a few documents on Maryland's Lemon Law consumer protection. Rest assured that if I have a defect in my car and it hasn't been resolved after the 3rd attempt to fix it, it's automatically considered a lemon car. I get a brand new car. No questions asked. NICE!!!!

As for the lemons mentioned in this article, check out the used cars in dealers' lots here in Canada. Another insult to Canadians: Canadian dealers selling US lemons to unsuspecting Canadians. Where does it end for us hapless Canadians?


Hundreds of vehicles labelled lemons in the United States are turning up at Canadian dealerships where some unsuspecting customers are being offered defective cars, CBC News has learned.

In one instance, a Kia minivan that originally sold for $28,100 US in Florida was sold at auction to a Winnipeg dealer for $13,100 US after it was declared a lemon. It ended up on a Winnipeg car lot where it was recently found on sale for $24,980 and with no warnings about its history.

Unlike the U.S., Canada has no lemon laws despite attempts to establish them in British Columbia, Manitoba and Ontario.

Eric Schrepel, who bought the 2006 Kia minivan brand new from a Florida dealership, said the battery died four times in less than 18 months and no mechanic could solve the problem.

"There was some sort of short that they just couldn't locate in the car. Kia makes a very good car. But I think this one is just literally — it was just a lemon," Schrepel told CBC News.

The manufacturer followed the letter of the law in Florida and bought back the van. It later resold it to the Winnipeg dealer.

Continue Article

A salesman at the Winnipeg car lot would only say the van had been designated a lemon in Florida after being asked several times. Even then he guaranteed the van would perform properly.

While the definition of lemon varies by state, it most often means that despite several trips to the dealer's service department, a vehicle continues to have a serious problem.

Once a vehicle is declared a lemon, the manufacturer has to buy it back. But there's nothing to stop the manufacturer from reselling it.

While all 50 states have lemon laws, only 19 require the title of a car declared a lemon to carry a warning. When a dealer sells a lemon out-of-state, the lemon designation is often not carried over.

A CBC News investigation found that between May 1, 2006, and Nov. 5, 2007, 852 American lemons were imported into Canada, with more than 110 of those crossing the border since the Canadian dollar reached parity.

[longdong]

someone is stupid enough to spend more than 20k to buy a car without checking carfax . If you check carfax, you will know the car was a lemon or not


Hundreds of vehicles labelled lemons in the United States are turning up at Canadian dealerships where some unsuspecting customers are being offered defective cars, CBC News has learned.

In one instance, a Kia minivan that originally sold for $28,100 US in Florida was sold at auction to a Winnipeg dealer for $13,100 US after it was declared a lemon. It ended up on a Winnipeg car lot where it was recently found on sale for $24,980 and with no warnings about its history.

Unlike the U.S., Canada has no lemon laws despite attempts to establish them in British Columbia, Manitoba and Ontario.

Eric Schrepel, who bought the 2006 Kia minivan brand new from a Florida dealership, said the battery died four times in less than 18 months and no mechanic could solve the problem.

"There was some sort of short that they just couldn't locate in the car. Kia makes a very good car. But I think this one is just literally — it was just a lemon," Schrepel told CBC News.

The manufacturer followed the letter of the law in Florida and bought back the van. It later resold it to the Winnipeg dealer.

Continue Article

A salesman at the Winnipeg car lot would only say the van had been designated a lemon in Florida after being asked several times. Even then he guaranteed the van would perform properly.

While the definition of lemon varies by state, it most often means that despite several trips to the dealer's service department, a vehicle continues to have a serious problem.

Once a vehicle is declared a lemon, the manufacturer has to buy it back. But there's nothing to stop the manufacturer from reselling it.

While all 50 states have lemon laws, only 19 require the title of a car declared a lemon to carry a warning. When a dealer sells a lemon out-of-state, the lemon designation is often not carried over.

A CBC News investigation found that between May 1, 2006, and Nov. 5, 2007, 852 American lemons were imported into Canada, with more than 110 of those crossing the border since the Canadian dollar reached parity.

[whampoa]

It's so sad that a used car bought in a lemon law State is safer and more reliable than a used car bought at your local Canadian dealership.

[michelb]

So if someone knows they're buying a US-origin used car, spending an extra $20-30 bucks to get a carfax report would take care of unknowingly purchasing a previously declared "lemon" right? :?: Problem solved.

In theory yes but in practice unfortunately, from my experience Carfax is pretty lacking although hopefully they are better about records in the US (both of our cars were involved in some accidents that were repaired by insurance and both show up clean and one of our car shows up as 'possible odometer rollback' because the extended warranty appears to have been entered as miles rather than kms when we bought it (i.e. we bought the extended warranty when the car had about 70k km - that was listed as 70k miles (115 kms or so) and then the next year we renewed our plates and marked the mileage as 80k km and now that shows up as a odo rollback).

[yyz2hkg]

That's why I bought my car in Maryland. They have a lemon law and that was peace of mind for me since I'm here in Toronto. When I picked my car, I signed a few documents on Maryland's Lemon Law consumer protection. Rest assured that if I have a defect in my car and it hasn't been resolved after the 3rd attempt to fix it, it's automatically considered a lemon car. I get a brand new car. No questions asked. NICE!!!!

As for the lemons mentioned in this article, check out the used cars in dealers' lots here in Canada. Another insult to Canadians: Canadian dealers selling US lemons to unsuspecting Canadians. Where does it end for us hapless Canadians?

NYS has the same lemon law...I recall signing some papers at the dealership also. Here's a PDF (http://www.senatorhannon.com/PDFs/lemon_law.pdf) FILE guide for the LEMON LAW.

[Monsieurmaggot]

I live in Toronto and planning to buy a Subaru from Rochester. Assuming the closest route would be via Niagara. There are 3 ports in the Niagara, and can I bring my car in through any one of them. Which on has the longest opening hours. Could someone who have done it share their experience.

Thank you in advance :lol:

While you can IMPORT a US car at the three Canadian Niagara River Canada Customs ports of entry, you can only EXPORT a vehicle through US Customs at the Lewiston Bridge crossing. Strange I know.

[diigii]

While you can IMPORT a US car at the three Canadian Niagara River Canada Customs ports of entry, you can only EXPORT a vehicle through US Customs at the Lewiston Bridge crossing. Strange I know.

'Cuz you're THE MAN!!!! :cheesygri

[scouzi]

Hundreds of vehicles labelled lemons in the United States are turning up at Canadian dealerships where some unsuspecting customers are being offered defective cars, CBC News has learned.

In one instance, a Kia minivan that originally sold for $28,100 US in Florida was sold at auction to a Winnipeg dealer for $13,100 US after it was declared a lemon. It ended up on a Winnipeg car lot where it was recently found on sale for $24,980 and with no warnings about its history.

Unlike the U.S., Canada has no lemon laws despite attempts to establish them in British Columbia, Manitoba and Ontario.

Eric Schrepel, who bought the 2006 Kia minivan brand new from a Florida dealership, said the battery died four times in less than 18 months and no mechanic could solve the problem.

"There was some sort of short that they just couldn't locate in the car. Kia makes a very good car. But I think this one is just literally — it was just a lemon," Schrepel told CBC News.

The manufacturer followed the letter of the law in Florida and bought back the van. It later resold it to the Winnipeg dealer.

Continue Article

A salesman at the Winnipeg car lot would only say the van had been designated a lemon in Florida after being asked several times. Even then he guaranteed the van would perform properly.

While the definition of lemon varies by state, it most often means that despite several trips to the dealer's service department, a vehicle continues to have a serious problem.

Once a vehicle is declared a lemon, the manufacturer has to buy it back. But there's nothing to stop the manufacturer from reselling it.

While all 50 states have lemon laws, only 19 require the title of a car declared a lemon to carry a warning. When a dealer sells a lemon out-of-state, the lemon designation is often not carried over.

A CBC News investigation found that between May 1, 2006, and Nov. 5, 2007, 852 American lemons were imported into Canada, with more than 110 of those crossing the border since the Canadian dollar reached parity.

I have a KIA minivan and the alternator died 4 times taking the battery with it. The problem is that the voltage regulator breaks and the voltage spikes to 32V. I could hear the battery still boiling once.

The last one I installed works OK and was not a KIA branded one.

[tyrrell]

Anybody had any experience buying a Nissan?

I'm looking to buy a slightly used 2006/2007 Nissan Altima or Altima coupe (so that I can get the warranty). Just want to see if anybody can recommend me a place to go to.

Also how do you actually go through with the deal?
How can you be sure the car you see in the ads are what you will be getting. It would be a huge hassle to go down to Buffalo, only to find out that the car that looks perfect in the pictures, is actually in not so great shape.

[fulrach]

Hey Guys,

So tomorrow my bank is wiring my full payment to the dealer in the states. Tomorrow being "Wednesday", the dealer said he would fax the Title to the Queenston / Lewiston crossing tomorrow afternoon. My plan is to fly out to Manchester on Saturday, pick up my car, do some shopping and cross the border on Monday morning. Would Thursday, Friday, Monday (morning) count or do I really have to wait till Tuesday to bring it across? I know it's not 72hrs but does anyone have any experience with this?

Thanks!

[shopper-X]

Anybody had any experience buying a Nissan?

I'm looking to buy a slightly used 2006/2007 Nissan Altima or Altima coupe (so that I can get the warranty). Just want to see if anybody can recommend me a place to go to.

Also how do you actually go through with the deal?
How can you be sure the car you see in the ads are what you will be getting. It would be a huge hassle to go down to Buffalo, only to find out that the car that looks perfect in the pictures, is actually in not so great shape.

The coupe is new for 2008 and unless you can find one that is registered already for 6 months, no warranty.

AFAIK Nissan is okay to import/export to Canada and will provide the Recall Clearance letter.

[J233]

Looks like the list got updated again....with this frequency they should really add the "Revision" section to the document :)

[woodguy]

After a couple of trips to Seattle, money wires, RIV on-hold music, and much forum searching my WIFE drove my new Volvo to work this morning. How does that work?

Anyhow, here are the metrics.

2006 Volvo XC70
19000 miles
2.5 years Factory warranty left
US price 28000 US / 33000 CDN (after all taxes, fees, duty, travel...)

The savings-

Low end Canadian dealer quote (all in): 12300 more
High end Canadian dealer quote (all in): 18000 more

The kicker:
Savings over new 2007 in Canada (same spec / all in)...
$34000 more
This is over half price for 1+ years of use and 19000 miles. Half of me says great currency savings. The cynical half looks at the extreme depreciation on cars.

Always a bad investment, but my BEST poor investment ever.

Thanks to all who have posted.

[ryandk]

I received this e-mail from my local Honda dealership today:

Dear RYAN,

First of all on behalf of the entire staff at xxx Honda we would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your continued business.

A major portion of our Sales, Service and Parts business continues to come from clients such as you and your repeat and referral sales are valued and much appreciated.

As you may be aware there has been a lot of discussion in the media recently regarding the devaluation of the US currency, its affect on the Canadian new vehicle market and the impending GST reduction in January of 2008.

Both these issues have challenged New Vehicle manufacturers and Dealers in Canada to react in a timely and responsible manner.

Honda Canada is one of the first Manufacturers in Canada to address these issues and they have done so with the most aggressive offers in their history. The details of these programs vary widely depending on model and trim level and are too numerous to detail in this letter but rest assured that this is a BIG DEAL.

So, if you were waiting to save on the GST in January, now you don’t have to!

If you were waiting for an unprecedented offer from Honda Canada to address the currency issue, it’s here!

I can say without reservation that this is the largest program ever offered by Honda Canada and is unlikely to ever be repeated.

We recommend that you call our Sales Department at 604-461-0633 to arrange an appointment, as we expect to be very busy during this event, and we would like the opportunity to spend the appropriate time explaining the program and the Huge Saving Benefits to you!

This is an unprecedented, limited time opportunity and we are pleased to make this offer to you as a loyal customer. This program will not be advertised to the general public!

We look forward to seeing you and thank you again for your continued business.

Sincerely,


xxx

General Manager


I'm going to check it out tomorrow after work. We'll see what kinds of deals they're offering.

[endura]

I received this e-mail from my local Honda dealership today:

Dear RYAN,

First of all on behalf of the entire staff at xxx Honda we would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your continued business.

A major portion of our Sales, Service and Parts business continues to come from clients such as you and your repeat and referral sales are valued and much appreciated.

As you may be aware there has been a lot of discussion in the media recently regarding the devaluation of the US currency, its affect on the Canadian new vehicle market and the impending GST reduction in January of 2008.

Both these issues have challenged New Vehicle manufacturers and Dealers in Canada to react in a timely and responsible manner.

Honda Canada is one of the first Manufacturers in Canada to address these issues and they have done so with the most aggressive offers in their history. The details of these programs vary widely depending on model and trim level and are too numerous to detail in this letter but rest assured that this is a BIG DEAL.

So, if you were waiting to save on the GST in January, now you don’t have to!

If you were waiting for an unprecedented offer from Honda Canada to address the currency issue, it’s here!

I can say without reservation that this is the largest program ever offered by Honda Canada and is unlikely to ever be repeated.

We recommend that you call our Sales Department at 604-461-0633 to arrange an appointment, as we expect to be very busy during this event, and we would like the opportunity to spend the appropriate time explaining the program and the Huge Saving Benefits to you!

This is an unprecedented, limited time opportunity and we are pleased to make this offer to you as a loyal customer. This program will not be advertised to the general public!

We look forward to seeing you and thank you again for your continued business.

Sincerely,


xxx

General Manager


I'm going to check it out tomorrow after work. We'll see what kinds of deals they're offering.


The deals are for cash only deals and they still don't compare to the States. Don't get your hopes up too high. If you take advantage of the lease/finance rates and use the money to earn interest somewhere else, it's a bit better but still not equal to U.S pricing.

I bought in Canada, but my case may be an exception. I'm content with my final deal but I would still be better off buying from the states.

The sales manager where I purchased (GTA) was very hopeful last week when the special finance/lease deals came in. This week, when I went in to pick up my new car, the dealership was still deserted and he admitted that more was needed in terms of discounts.
The manufacturers have really painted themselves into a tough corner.

[accorder]

I'm going to check it out tomorrow after work. We'll see what kinds of deals they're offering.

thanks Ryan. keep us posted.

[netdog999]

Hey Guys,

So tomorrow my bank is wiring my full payment to the dealer in the states. Tomorrow being "Wednesday", the dealer said he would fax the Title to the Queenston / Lewiston crossing tomorrow afternoon. My plan is to fly out to Manchester on Saturday, pick up my car, do some shopping and cross the border on Monday morning. Would Thursday, Friday, Monday (morning) count or do I really have to wait till Tuesday to bring it across? I know it's not 72hrs but does anyone have any experience with this?

Thanks!

Consider a different crossing, like Detroit, that is open 24/7. You might have a bit further to drive but you'd be back before the w/e is over. Double-check with the crossing to see if Sat/Sun counts towards the 72 hours and don't forget to send your MSO to that crossing. If you're not sure then play it safe and send your MSO to several crossings until you know which one you'll use. I think you sol at Lewiston if you'd like to cross before the w/e, but you might get away with crossing in on Monday aft.

netdog

[Raikkonen]

;)

A lot of hooplah / hype

That Honda letter, imho, is sad and factually incorrect.

Hurry, hurry, hurry! Step right up!
Yessirreeee, had quite a few people looking at this baby today (*kick tires*) and one guy's coming back this afternoon with the money...she won't last.

Only thing that matters are the numbers, and I am sure they will be many thousands of dollars off the mark.




I received this e-mail from my local Honda dealership today:

Dear RYAN,

First of all on behalf of the entire staff at xxx Honda we would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your continued business.

A major portion of our Sales, Service and Parts business continues to come from clients such as you and your repeat and referral sales are valued and much appreciated.

As you may be aware there has been a lot of discussion in the media recently regarding the devaluation of the US currency, its affect on the Canadian new vehicle market and the impending GST reduction in January of 2008.

Both these issues have challenged New Vehicle manufacturers and Dealers in Canada to react in a timely and responsible manner.

Honda Canada is one of the first Manufacturers in Canada to address these issues and they have done so with the most aggressive offers in their history. The details of these programs vary widely depending on model and trim level and are too numerous to detail in this letter but rest assured that this is a BIG DEAL.

So, if you were waiting to save on the GST in January, now you don’t have to!

If you were waiting for an unprecedented offer from Honda Canada to address the currency issue, it’s here!

I can say without reservation that this is the largest program ever offered by Honda Canada and is unlikely to ever be repeated.

We recommend that you call our Sales Department at 604-461-0633 to arrange an appointment, as we expect to be very busy during this event, and we would like the opportunity to spend the appropriate time explaining the program and the Huge Saving Benefits to you!

This is an unprecedented, limited time opportunity and we are pleased to make this offer to you as a loyal customer. This program will not be advertised to the general public!

We look forward to seeing you and thank you again for your continued business.

Sincerely,


xxx

General Manager


I'm going to check it out tomorrow after work. We'll see what kinds of deals they're offering.

[frankmp]

Looks like the list got updated again....with this frequency they should really add the "Revision" section to the document :)

No kidding, just try finding what the revision is. Another "confusion" tactic.


Frank

[kidda]

I am buying a car from my uncle from US, how do i get a purchase bill to show at Canadian Custom, if not then how will they charge me the tax. Thanks

[scrolllock]

I received this e-mail from my local Honda dealership today:

Dear RYAN,

First of all on behalf of the entire staff at xxx Honda we would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your continued business.

A major portion of our Sales, Service and Parts business continues to come from clients such as you and your repeat and referral sales are valued and much appreciated.

As you may be aware there has been a lot of discussion in the media recently regarding the devaluation of the US currency, its affect on the Canadian new vehicle market and the impending GST reduction in January of 2008.

Both these issues have challenged New Vehicle manufacturers and Dealers in Canada to react in a timely and responsible manner.

Honda Canada is one of the first Manufacturers in Canada to address these issues and they have done so with the most aggressive offers in their history. The details of these programs vary widely depending on model and trim level and are too numerous to detail in this letter but rest assured that this is a BIG DEAL.

So, if you were waiting to save on the GST in January, now you don’t have to!

If you were waiting for an unprecedented offer from Honda Canada to address the currency issue, it’s here!

I can say without reservation that this is the largest program ever offered by Honda Canada and is unlikely to ever be repeated.

We recommend that you call our Sales Department at 604-461-0633 to arrange an appointment, as we expect to be very busy during this event, and we would like the opportunity to spend the appropriate time explaining the program and the Huge Saving Benefits to you!

This is an unprecedented, limited time opportunity and we are pleased to make this offer to you as a loyal customer. This program will not be advertised to the general public!

We look forward to seeing you and thank you again for your continued business.

Sincerely,


xxx

General Manager


I'm going to check it out tomorrow after work. We'll see what kinds of deals they're offering.


Letter to Honda Canada

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Please forward this letter to Mr. Kobayashi and Honda Canada

Dear Mr. Shin, Mr. Kobayashi, and Honda Canada,

Thank you for providing me with an opportunity to respond to Honda's "New Deal For Canadians".

As a verifiable fact, we have bought five new Honda vehicles over the last eight years. I actually test drove a new 2008 Accord Coupe last week.

Of note, when I purchased my new Honda S2000 (Oct. 1, 1999, the day of Canadian launch) the car was priced at CDN$48,000 MSRP (which I paid). I was told by the dealership's top executive that this last-minute pricing (there was no price by Honda two weeks earlier) was based on calculations that the U.S. car was priced at USD$32,000 (the exchange rate was actually 48% at the time). I clearly remember him saying $32,000 plus 50%...$48,000, sounds about right.

The discrepancy between prices in Canada and the U.S. is egregious. That same 2008 Honda S2000 is CDN$53,000 and USD$35,000 (or CDN $33,000). CDN$20,000 difference!! Twenty thousand dollars!!! Why so??

If you want to sell me a 2008 Acoord Coupe at true U.S. prices, my credit card is ready for your coveted swipe and I'll buy today.

As indicated below, pricing varies ridiculously, with Canadians being charged $5,000-20,000 more for the same cars. And the cars are very similar/identical, made at the same plants etc. as you know. The difference in car composition, if any, is minimal, and certainly does not substantiate $20,000 after tax dollars.

Excuses are plenty (Canadian cars are designed for the Canadian climate....are we supposed to believe our winters are worse than Buffalo or Minnesota). A higher level of accessories/options on Canadian cars. If we tabulated actual dollar amounts for these alleged enrichments, we're talking true cost of hundreds of dollars or less, or zero. The cost to sell cars in Canada is more than the U.S., claiming Honda cars are priced competitively within the "marketplace" (lol, 85% of Canadians live within two hours of the U.S. border)... etc....all weakly contrived mantras, at best.

Have you or anyone from your family ever bought anything from the U.S. because it was cheaper? A very serious question. Why did you make that American purchase?

The recent "sale" is also inflammatory. Are Canadians supposed to forget that every fall, when model years change, the outgoing model year cars are discounted to reflect their (almost) year's depreciation.

The savings of $2000 on the Accord Coupe I saw last week is too little, as the car is $8,000 cheaper in the U.S. And that is before we add on freight/pdi which is about twice as much in Canada (CDN$1400 vs. USD$700).

The $2000 is also after taxes are paid on the full amount, so despite the marketing, it is really only about $1750.

Finance offers are of no value to those of us who will pay cash. And quite clearly, competitive financing can always be obtained outside of Honda for those who seek it. The catchy 1.9% financing offers are only good for 36 months, and those that require a loan, almost always want 48-60 months to pay it off.

Honda has gone out of their way to block Canadians from buying in the U.S. I know the process is very simple, as I imported a 2007 Acura MDX twelve months ago (saving $16,000, despite being made in my backyard, Alliston, Ontario). Despite all previous Hondas being on the RIV admissibility list, transparent exclusionary games are now being played. Warranties are shamefully voided. Recall clearance letters have dried up, and voila, there is now a newly contrived immobilizer issue, thanks to Honda Canada. Threatening U.S. Honda dealerships is also part of Honda's dirty game. Canadians may be sheep, but we are intelligent sheep, especially when it comes to our pocketbooks.

Why should Canadians pay more for the same product? Ten thousand after tax dollars would go a long way at enhancing the quality of life of many Canadian families. Is Honda so short-sighted that they will not anticipate an appropriate customer response/backlash? Or does Honda Canada's misguided attempts at preventing the import of U.S. Hondas serve to negate the leverage of buying elsewhere? Why are loyal Canadian customers so mistreated?

When the dealer can look me in the eye and say $32,000 USD...fifty percent.....$48,000CDN sounds about right (when I bought my S2000) I won't soon forget. As Honda customers, we are about as good as they come. New S2000, Civic, Accord, Pilot, and MDX (all in eight years).

If prices are not brought to par immediately, I will not buy Honda. Period. There are many quality imports available nowadays, so the special charm of Honda is now passed (unlike when I bought my first Prelude in 1983). The arrogance of Honda Canada is not flattering.

Last week, I know Honda dealers, principals, and Mr. Kobayashi were blissfully cruising the Italian Mediterranean, and somehow chose not to come up with a palatable solution to the gouging of Canadians. That active choice, in the age of savvy consumers, and the Internet, will not pass unnoticed.

Memories last a long time. Mistreating Canadian customers, creating artificial barriers to purchasing in the U.S. in this age of NAFTA, insulting Canadians with transparent excuses, impediments, and lame "special pricing promotions", forcing them to buy at prices 25-45% higher, and disrespecting Canadians, their intelligence, and their Honda loyalty will permanently hurt Honda Canada.

Respectfully,

XXXXX XXXXX, M.D.

see appended pricing lists below


2008 Honda > Accord Coupe US Model listed as inadmissible by Transport Canada
Canadian Trims Canada MSRP US Trims US MSRP Price Markup
Accord Coupe EX 5MT $27,990 Accord Coupe EX 5-Spd MT $23,160 30%
Accord Coupe EX 5AT $29,190 Accord Coupe EX 5-Spd AT $23,960 31.05%
Accord Coupe EX-L 5MT $30,390 Accord Coupe EX-L 5-Spd MT $25,160 29.93%
Accord Coupe EX-L 5AT $31,590 Accord Coupe EX-L 5-Spd AT $25,960 30.9%
Accord Coupe EX-L Navi 5MT $33,190 Accord Coupe EX-L 5-Spd MT w/ Navigation System $27,360 30.49%
Accord Coupe EX-L Navi 5AT $34,390 Accord Coupe EX-L 5-Spd AT w/ Navigation System $28,160 31.37%
Accord Coupe EX-L V6 6MT $35,490 Accord Coupe EX-L V-6 6-Spd MT $28,310 34.85%
Accord Coupe EX-L V6 5AT $35,490 Accord Coupe EX-L V-6 5-Spd AT $28,310 34.85%
Accord Coupe EX-L V6 Navi 6MT $38,290 Accord Coupe EX-L V-6 6-Spd MT w/ Navigation System $30,510 35%
Accord Coupe EX-L V6 Navi 5AT $38,290 Accord Coupe EX-L V-6 5-Spd AT w/ Navigation System $30,510 35%
Accord Coupe LX-S 5-Spd MT $21,860




2008 Honda > Pilot
Canadian Trims Canada MSRP US Trims US MSRP Price Markup
Pilot SE-L RES $45,520 Pilot SE 4WD 5-Spd AT $32,995 48.4%
Pilot EX-L NAVI $46,690 Pilot EX-L 4WD 5-Spd AT w/ Navigation System $35,645 40.9%
Pilot LX 2WD $36,280
Pilot LX 4WD $39,820
Pilot SE RES $43,990
Pilot VP 2WD 5-Spd AT $27,595
Pilot VP 4WD 5-Spd AT $28,995




2008 Acura > MDX US Model listed as inadmissible by Transport Canada
Canadian Trims Canada MSRP US Trims US MSRP Price Markup
Acura MDX $52,250 2008 Acura MDX Base $40,195 39.83%
Acura MDX Technology Package $57,200 2008 Acura MDX Tech Package $43,695 40.82%
Acura MDX Elite Package $62,200 2008 Acura MDX Sport Package $45,795 46.1%



2008 Acura > RL
Canadian Trims Canada MSRP US Trims US MSRP Price Markup
RL 3.5 $63,900 Acura RL Sedan $46,280 48.52%
RL 3.5 Elite Package $69,500 Acura RL Technology Package $49,980 49.58%





OAKVILLE, ON

[ryandk]

I'm doubtful, too, but I thought I'd go check it out anyway. It's on my way home from work. I'll report back tomorrow.


;)

A lot of hooplah / hype

That Honda letter, imho, is sad and factually incorrect.

Hurry, hurry, hurry! Step right up!
Yessirreeee, had quite a few people looking at this baby today (*kick tires*) and one guy's coming back this afternoon with the money...she won't last.

Only thing that matters are the numbers, and I am sure they will be many thousands of dollars off the mark.

[scouzi]

Dealer selling new ones on Ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Subaru-Tribeca-2008-SUBARU-TRIBECA-7-PASSENGER-LIMITED-CLEARANCE_W0QQitemZ190172275646QQihZ009QQcategoryZ 149423QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[fulrach]

Dealer selling new ones on Ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Subaru-Tribeca-2008-SUBARU-TRIBECA-7-PASSENGER-LIMITED-CLEARANCE_W0QQitemZ190172275646QQihZ009QQcategoryZ 149423QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

wow.. that's interesting

[Raikkonen]

I'm doubtful, too, but I thought I'd go check it out anyway. It's on my way home from work. I'll report back tomorrow.

Hey friend, I wish you luck. I'd be very happy for you if you scored a bonafide deal. ;)

As someone who bought five new Hondas in eight years, the response I got from the local Honda dealer speaks for itself (pl.see my letter posted yesterday).


We all want good value for our $$$$. ;)


http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/mba0323l.jpg

[Honda-sucks]

First of all BRAVO "scrolllock" for that open letter to Honda Canada !!

Found a couple of ways to obtain the coveted recall letter from Honda but not sure how to post so that those HONDA UPPER MANAGEMENT IDIOTS find out.......

[Raikkonen]

First of all BRAVO "scrolllock" for that open letter to Honda Canada !!


Yes, Bravo scrollock, I don't think I could have written a better letter myself!

;) ;)


P.S. Thanks for the compliment on it being the perfect letter.



When I re-emailed the local dealer, and re-forwarded again, here is the response I got.....

Dr. XXXX XXXXX,

I have forwarded your email to our District Sales Manager. Thank-you for your comments and insight.

XXXX XXXXX
General Sales Manager



Apart from thank you not being a hyphenated word, how many seconds do you think went into that letter...?.....twenty?

[SkylineGTR]

First of all BRAVO "scrolllock" for that open letter to Honda Canada !!

Found a couple of ways to obtain the coveted recall letter from Honda but not sure how to post so that those HONDA UPPER MANAGEMENT IDIOTS find out.......


Your name is ********...Honda kicks ass!!:D

[jafferk]

I just finished watching the National on CBC EST. Should be on again MST at 9:00 PM today. They have over 30 minutes just on cross border shopping. Closer to the end, from all the car manufacturers out there, they went straight for the Acura MDX and told all viewers that is $15,000 cheaper in the US. Honda is not going to like this publicity!!!!!!!! Serves them right for thinking that we are stupid Canadians. Not this time, I am telling every person I talk with that cars are cheaper in the US and helping as many as I can import in vehicles from the US.

[yakkers]

perhaps this is covered somewhere in the thread, however, if you pick up a car in the states, what license plates do you have on the car while you drive it home and are getting it registered and all.

Do you need to get a temporary license somewhere?

I am thinking of picking up a car from Vermont in Montreal

[Kamloops]

Ok I know how to bring a car back from the USA as I did it this year. But what about a car that the person owes money.

The title is with Toyota Motor Credit. It takes them 3 weeks to send
it once a vehicle is paid off.

I really want to make this purchase. Its a heck of a deal. How do I do it.

I need the title to fax to usa customs.
Would I have to buy the car out it in storage until I get title then go get it to bring it home?

[boci]

Question for 2008 Subaru owners, has anyone actually taken 2008 Subaru in for the warranty repair to Canadian dealer and then go trough SOA for reimbursement? And how did it go?

[raskal]

a local large dealership placed an ad in the paper filled with crap about the cons of buying a US vehicle

I really liked where they list paying GST and PST as a con of a US vehicle... ummm we have to pay those in Canada too....

it's just so wrong it's laughable... unfortunately, probably not to the average person. But let's keep getting the *real* story out!!

The Ad (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/raskal1998/westcoastmotors.jpg)

Comment forms for the dealerships if you feel so inclined...

http://www.westcoastautogroup.com/west_coast_mazda/feedback/

http://www.westcoastautogroup.com/west_coast_ford_lincoln/feedback/

or email the customer relations person at the Nissan dealership, Laurie Bozek laurie@westcoastautogroup.com

[yyz2hkg]

perhaps this is covered somewhere in the thread, however, if you pick up a car in the states, what license plates do you have on the car while you drive it home and are getting it registered and all.

Do you need to get a temporary license somewhere?

I am thinking of picking up a car from Vermont in Montreal

Yes, you need to pick up a Temporary Transit Plate. It may vary from State to State, so check with the local DMV just to be safe. My NYS temp transit plate covered me from NYS back home in Ont.

[yakkers]

Yes, you need to pick up a Temporary Transit Plate. It may vary from State to State, so check with the local DMV just to be safe. My NYS temp transit plate covered me from NYS back home in Ont.

so the temporary transit is only required from the USA side, nothing is needed on the canadian side?

[Nitol]

Apparently GM Canada has increased the cost of obtaining a recall clearance letter from $26.50 to $ 250 as of Nov 1st,2007.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1856951&highlight=recall+clearance+letter

I just purchased a 2005 GM van,is there any way I can get this letter in States instead of going thru GM Canada?
Should I contact GM USA or try my dealer (not GM authorized)?
Any help greatly appreciated?

[accorder]

the adjustment for 07 is about depreciation and for 08 is relatively nothing.


http://www-5.chrysler.ca/incentives/FrontController?brand=Chrysler&language=English&postalCode=&offerRequestId=0&sessionId=H4_XzSLPZ88-6X3dzHOGeLV

[J233]

Apparently GM Canada has increased the cost of obtaining a recall clearance letter from $26.50 to $ 250 as of Nov 1st,2007.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1856951&highlight=recall+clearance+letter

I just purchased a 2005 GM van,is there any way I can get this letter in States instead of going thru GM Canada?
Should I contact GM USA or try my dealer (not GM authorized)?
Any help greatly appreciated?

Correct, the price for the letter now is $250.00. There is only one GM dept for both, US and CDN customers (Vintage) and their number is on the RIV list. Before you pay them 250 bucks ask your dealer for a letter (make sure it has tech manufacturer's logo on the letterhead) and attach the service/campaign printout - RIV should accept it.

[heavychemist]

Question for 2008 Subaru owners, has anyone actually taken 2008 Subaru in for the warranty repair to Canadian dealer and then go trough SOA for reimbursement? And how did it go?I highly doubt that anyone with a 2008 Subaru has needed to get any warranty work done yet. I would be interested as well to hear of anyone's experience trying to get reimbursed from Subaru USA, but it's too early. Subaru's are excellent vehicles and the 08's won't be in the repair shop yet

[killbillvol1]

I just finished watching the National on CBC EST. Should be on again MST at 9:00 PM today. They have over 30 minutes just on cross border shopping. Closer to the end, from all the car manufacturers out there, they went straight for the Acura MDX and told all viewers that is $15,000 cheaper in the US. Honda is not going to like this publicity!!!!!!!! Serves them right for thinking that we are stupid Canadians. Not this time, I am telling every person I talk with that cars are cheaper in the US and helping as many as I can import in vehicles from the US.

That was a freakin biased show. They bought a TV and some clothing from independently owned stores that will negotiate prices (they even showed their professional shoppers negotiating). Then they went to Best Buy in the US and JC Penny and compared their list prices to the Canadian prices and decided they were about the same and its not worth shopping in the US.

The part about the MDX they used as an example to show that the US is a competitive economy and things are always cheaper there. Oh well, people aren't stupid and the hours of lineups at the border aren't fictitious like the media might make you believe.

[jac_3232]

That was a freakin biased show. They bought a TV and some clothing from independently owned stores that will negotiate prices (they even showed their professional shoppers negotiating). Then they went to Best Buy in the US and JC Penny and compared their list prices to the Canadian prices and decided they were about the same and its not worth shopping in the US.


Yeah, I thought the same thing. They told the Canadian TV sales guy to give them their best price. Of course he knows why the TV camera is there, and what there doing. He probably took a loss on the TV. Then they compare that price to the Best Buy price on the shelf. What a joke.

[Tender]

Yeah, I thought the same thing. They told the Canadian TV sales guy to give them their best price. Of course he knows why the TV camera is there, and what there doing. He probably took a loss on the TV. Then they compare that price to the Best Buy price on the shelf. What a joke.

I don't know about the loss here. But it makes me wonder: if a small independent retail store can lower their price comparable to the U.S., why not the big guys? Isn't this the proof that they ARE Gouging Canadian consumers?

[whampoa]

I don't know about the loss here. But it makes me wonder: if a small independent retail store can lower their price comparable to the U.S., why not the big guys? Isn't this the proof that they ARE Gouging Canadian consumers?

It's all stage, if you're a small independent retail store and a TV camera suddenly show up at your doorstep, what are you going to say. Nope, we don't negotiate go South for better price.

However, I will say there's also sprinkle of truth about Canadian leaving old clothes and shoes behind, border guards eager to tax the hell out of shoppers if they are not careful about what they declare, or the way some driver park too far in front of the stop sign at the border crossing booth.

[superwell]

as if you guys needed another reason:

http://www.yorkregion.com/Classified/Wheels/article/60219

[laptop-tech]

This is probably the longest thread ever !

[colorwolf]

Does anyone have a contact for Toyota dealer near the boarder. Looking for a corolla. By the way does the warranty carry over to Canada. I live in Toronto. Please PM me.

Thanks,

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

I received this e-mail from my local Honda dealership today:

Dear RYAN,

First of all on behalf of the entire staff at xxx Honda we would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your continued business.

A major portion of our Sales, Service and Parts business continues to come from clients such as you and your repeat and referral sales are valued and much appreciated.

As you may be aware there has been a lot of discussion in the media recently regarding the devaluation of the US currency, its affect on the Canadian new vehicle market and the impending GST reduction in January of 2008.

Both these issues have challenged New Vehicle manufacturers and Dealers in Canada to react in a timely and responsible manner.

Honda Canada is one of the first Manufacturers in Canada to address these issues and they have done so with the most aggressive offers in their history. The details of these programs vary widely depending on model and trim level and are too numerous to detail in this letter but rest assured that this is a BIG DEAL.

So, if you were waiting to save on the GST in January, now you don’t have to!

If you were waiting for an unprecedented offer from Honda Canada to address the currency issue, it’s here!

I can say without reservation that this is the largest program ever offered by Honda Canada and is unlikely to ever be repeated.

We recommend that you call our Sales Department at 604-461-0633 to arrange an appointment, as we expect to be very busy during this event, and we would like the opportunity to spend the appropriate time explaining the program and the Huge Saving Benefits to you!

This is an unprecedented, limited time opportunity and we are pleased to make this offer to you as a loyal customer. This program will not be advertised to the general public!

We look forward to seeing you and thank you again for your continued business.

Sincerely,


xxx

General Manager


I'm going to check it out tomorrow after work. We'll see what kinds of deals they're offering.

Why do you even bother :) you should call them and tell them to stuff their incentives up their arse

[jmlleung]

Does anyone have a contact for Toyota dealer near the boarder. Looking for a corolla. By the way does the warranty carry over to Canada. I live in Toronto. Please PM me.

Thanks,

Are you looking for a brand new Corolla? The 2008 Toyota Corolla is in the inadmissible list.

[Jay-c]

Huge thanks to everyone's postings in here... brought back my 08 Subaru Outback 2.5i Limited yesterday!!! YAAAHHOOOO! What a gorgeous car!! Got it in Diamond Grey Metallic, that darker grey color... NIIIIIICE!

Aside from brutal lineups both at the export office and at Cdn Customs, the process was smooth and painless! Just need to wait for my RIV form and then get the inspection and the plates done!

I also had tires shipped to the dealer for me from TireRack, making for an even bigger savings day!!!

Thanks again guys!!

[PaulieScatone]

Has anyone attended one of the free Importation of Vehicles into Canada Seminar offered by canadian border services ?

Just wondering if they are useful?

[afeld]

This is probably the longest thread ever !
You’re right!!!! It's huge now and not sure if I could ask such a question or not...but, I'll try....
If there is any way that someone may answer me or point me to URL within this tread I can find info for:

1. If a US dealership doesn't want to sell new car directly to me how can I use my sisters address as 'amerifrend' (she leaves in US);
2. Is it worth doing it as I don't know whether she'll (apparently, I'll have) to pay state taxes; is there any way not to?
3. How after the purchase on her name I can transfer it to mine and what is involved in it?
4. How to make car insurance arrangements for this combination while importing the car?
Thanks a lot in advance

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

In the last 2 weeks i think i told at least 30 or so people about the car manufacturers and how they gouge us.

I mean i even start yapping about it when i am purchasing a coffee at Tim's to anyone within earshot.

[shopper-X]

This is probably the longest thread ever !

Very close 2nd.
The Hot deal for Rogers Wireless Customers (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111887) is running as the longest for both time and posts. At time of posting it's at 778 pages and 11,658 posts.

[elmst200]

good job. however,

why are people still buying in Canada. Look at the sales number of new cars in October and september, they are unbelievablely high given the huge media coverage of price discrepency between U.S. and Canada.

Maybe people in canada just don't care the hard-earned money or they need more pulbic education campaign to get them more informed as a customer.



In the last 2 weeks i think i told at least 30 or so people about the car manufacturers and how they gouge us.

I mean i even start yapping about it when i am purchasing a coffee at Tim's to anyone within earshot.

[elmst200]

there are few discussions on entry-level vehicles, someting below US20k like Toyota Yaris, Corolla and Honda Fit and Civic.

I think a lot of people can't afford something above 30K especially without borrowing money. Let's start discussing the saving of smaller cars importing from the U.S.!


Are you looking for a brand new Corolla? The 2008 Toyota Corolla is in the inadmissible list.

[diigii]

Just hot off Canadian Press this morning. I wonder if those Legacys, Tribecas, and LL Beans are to blame for Ontario's and Alberta's lion share of the decline? :cheesygri

How come when sales are down, DesRosiers The Mathematician is mysteriously quiet and nowhere to be heard from?

Here's the article. Just ignore and have sympathy for Honda's pop up ad. They're desperate for attention right now!

http://money.canoe.ca/News/Economy/2007/11/14/4655161-cp.html

OTTAWA - Sales of new motor vehicles declined in September, almost completely offsetting the gains made in August.

Statistics Canada reports that 140,263 new vehicles were sold in September, down 2.1 per cent from August.

The agency attributed the decline mainly to a slip in truck sales (minivans, sport-utility vehicles, light and heavy trucks, vans and buses).

Declines were widespread across Canada, but Ontario and Alberta accounted for the lion's share.

Decreases in sales in July and September spawned a 2.6 per cent decline in the number of new motor vehicles sold in the third quarter from the second quarter of 2007.

This did not completely offset the gains made in the second quarter - when sales were up four per cent, the strongest quarterly growth in almost four years.

Preliminary industry data for the month of October indicate new motor vehicle sales declined two per cent due to a decrease in passenger car sales.

[michelb]

Unfortunately, our rising CND$, hasn't corresponded to lower gas prices. In January 07, crude oil was at about $110CND barrel while gas was at under $0.90L. Now oil prices are about $80CND barrel (i.e. 25% cheaper) but we're paying about $1.05L (i.e. 15% more) !!!

Basically we should be paying $0.70L or less for gas companies in Canada to be making the same profit they were making in January !!! (obviously there's more to making gas than just crude oil prices but those costs haven't really changed since January so if the oil companies could sell at $0.90 and make a profit, there is no reason we are paying $1.05 now other then lining their already very deep pockets)

[yyz2hkg]

so the temporary transit is only required from the USA side, nothing is needed on the canadian side?

I would get a Quebec temp plate just to be safe. I imported my vehicles last year, and the NYS temp tags stated it was good from NYS to Ontario. It may be different now, but I've heard people have obtained Temp Plates on both sides of the border to cover your butt. Good Luck!

[joejack]

Has anyone attended one of the free Importation of Vehicles into Canada Seminar offered by canadian border services ?

Just wondering if they are useful?

I attended that seminar after reading some 500 pages of this thread and found it to be useless. They only cover the part the process which deal with Customs Canada.

If you are really interested in importing car you need to know the whole process not just Customs Canada part. So, my advice, take the time and read this thread from start to finish and and another thread by alysomji on import process . You will know everything there is to know and to do before, during, and after importing a vehicle.

[elmst200]

This is contradictory to a report by DesRosiers on new vehicles sales in October. The number is actually up compared with the number of October 2006, based on this report.


Just hot off Canadian Press this morning. I wonder if those Legacys, Tribecas, and LL Beans are to blame for Ontario's and Alberta's lion share of the decline? :cheesygri

How come when sales are down, DesRosiers The Mathematician is mysteriously quiet and nowhere to be heard from?

Here's the article. Just ignore and have sympathy for Honda's pop up ad. They're desperate for attention right now!

http://money.canoe.ca/News/Economy/2007/11/14/4655161-cp.html

OTTAWA - Sales of new motor vehicles declined in September, almost completely offsetting the gains made in August.

Statistics Canada reports that 140,263 new vehicles were sold in September, down 2.1 per cent from August.

The agency attributed the decline mainly to a slip in truck sales (minivans, sport-utility vehicles, light and heavy trucks, vans and buses).

Declines were widespread across Canada, but Ontario and Alberta accounted for the lion's share.

Decreases in sales in July and September spawned a 2.6 per cent decline in the number of new motor vehicles sold in the third quarter from the second quarter of 2007.

This did not completely offset the gains made in the second quarter - when sales were up four per cent, the strongest quarterly growth in almost four years.

Preliminary industry data for the month of October indicate new motor vehicle sales declined two per cent due to a decrease in passenger car sales.

[Oiler11]

I was hoping to import a 2008 Buick Enclave, but it appears to be inadmissable if manufactured after Sept.2007 (is that correct?). Is there any way to import one built AFTER Sept.2007? For example, a letter from the manufacturer stating that it meets the requirements of CMVSS 114?

[diigii]

This is contradictory to a report by DesRosiers on new vehicles sales in October. The number is actually up compared with the number of October 2006, based on this report.

It's because DesRosiers The Mathematician looks at his crystal ball. That crystal ball is bought for, powered and hardwired by the automakers' Canadian headquarters.

[michelb]

I was hoping to import a 2008 Buick Enclave, but it appears to be inadmissable if manufactured after Sept.2007 (is that correct?). Is there any way to import one built AFTER Sept.2007? For example, a letter from the manufacturer stating that it meets the requirements of CMVSS 114?

Unfortunately, you are probably out of luck. Technically, I believe you would be able to import if you got a letter from the manufacturer but your chances of getting that are probably zero. The reason it's inadmissible is that the manufacturer didn't supply it to RIV so why would you be able to get it. Also you'd probably be required to show that it's admissible for all other things RIV checks for (bumpers, child seats, ...) since there's nothing stating that it's inadmissible simply because of 114 (from the date, we all assume that you are correct and that it's because of the immobilizer but on paper there's probably nothing to support that).

[elmst200]

i don't think he can fake numbers. what he can do is to twist the interpretation of the numbers.


It's because DesRosiers The Mathematician looks at his crystal ball. That crystal ball is bought for, powered and hardwired by the automakers' Canadian headquarters.

[elmst200]

look at post No. 8814 and the following links for number break-down for October 2007 sales of new vehicles in Canada:
http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/071102-1.htm


i don't think he can fake numbers. what he can do is to twist the interpretation of the numbers.

[Double_J]

Unfortunately, our rising CND$, hasn't corresponded to lower gas prices. In January 07, crude oil was at about $110CND barrel while gas was at under $0.90L. Now oil prices are about $80CND barrel (i.e. 25% cheaper) but we're paying about $1.05L (i.e. 15% more) !!!

Basically we should be paying $0.70L or less for gas companies in Canada to be making the same profit they were making in January !!! (obviously there's more to making gas than just crude oil prices but those costs haven't really changed since January so if the oil companies could sell at $0.90 and make a profit, there is no reason we are paying $1.05 now other then lining their already very deep pockets)

I was having a similar conversation at work the other day. We are getting fed a bunch of BS, and have little to no recourse. :(

[diigii]

look at post No. 8814 and the following links for number break-down for October 2007 sales of new vehicles in Canada:
http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/071102-1.htm

He's comparing stats for this year and same month last year. The article I posted is tracking sales for August, September and October 2007, which is this year. With the importing of cars being exposed and people realizing the savings, that is the reason why Canadian sales have dropped. If you take NAATA's sales figures, a total of 24,873 vehicles have been imported in October 2007.

[agepag]

Well I have my heart set on a 2008 Subarru wrx sti. I went to my local dealership to get some pricing and this is what I found, a 2008 wrx (not sti) is $32,400 cdn, the sti is going to roughly $44,000 now the US wrx is $24,500 and the sti is $34,000 so I asked the salesman why would I buy a regular wrx if I can get the sti from the us for almost the same price? He basically told me to go to the US since there is nothing he could do! He said the dealership is taking a beating and Subaru Canada is doing nothing about it. I felt bad, but not bad enough to give Subaru Canada $10,000 extra for the same car.... Subaru USA here I come, as long as they don't put it on the inadmisable list!!!!!

[diigii]

Well I have my heart set on a 2008 Subarru wrx sti. I went to my local dealership to get some pricing and this is what I found, a 2008 wrx (not sti) is $32,400 cdn, the sti is going to roughly $44,000 now the US wrx is $24,500 and the sti is $34,000 so I asked the salesman why would I buy a regular wrx if I can get the sti from the us for almost the same price? He basically told me to go to the US since there is nothing he could do! He said the dealership is taking a beating and Subaru Canada is doing nothing about it. I felt bad, but not bad enough to give Subaru Canada $10,000 extra for the same car.... Subaru USA here I come, as long as they don't put it on the inadmisable list!!!!!

Depending where you are in Canada, there are 3 Subaru salespeople here you can deal with.

[2ride4life]

there are few discussions on entry-level vehicles, someting below US20k like Toyota Yaris, Corolla and Honda Fit and Civic.

I think a lot of people can't afford something above 30K especially without borrowing money. Let's start discussing the saving of smaller cars importing from the U.S.!


for example, I am interested in the mazda5. the MSRP differential is only ~$3000 (CDN=USD). taking into account duty/RIV/travel/misc ... i think that one would probably only save ~$1500, depending how frugal you travel. Take that with no transferable warranty and it doesn't appear worth it.

maybe those gurus with more experience can further enlighten me, if I have missed something.

[Albertan]

Has anyone got a hookup with a Montana or Washington state Subaru dealer?

Thanks!

[thelefteyeguy]

Has anyone got a hookup with a Montana or Washington state Subaru dealer?

Thanks!

hookups? it's not Canada.

[Vidman]

Has anyone got a hookup with a Montana or Washington state Subaru dealer?

Thanks!

Check your PM

[superwell]

When I see some screwed up articles it get's me mad!!! I just read an article about importing US cars into canada and they got all their facts wrong (well right for their eyes and to be correct for the car manufacturer) And it's so misleading to so many canadians..so i want to send them a letter and want to make sure that i got all my facts right first...please read and correct me if I am wrong in any fact so i can correct before sending:

I just wanted to comment on your recent article in your “Wheels” section of your paper named “ At first, buying in the US may look like a deal” dated November 8th, 2007. As I am sure that your are aware of the great “speculation” that people here have about buying a car in the US is a much better deal than buying one here in Canada but when articles like yours get published and you don’t know all your facts then you should not publish something of that nature. An article that deters or Misleads people from purchasing in the US is just wrong and should have had all the facts, both the pros and cons that are correct and not just what a Canadian car manufacturer tell you they are.

I will use a few case and points from your article that I would like to correct you on:

1)As Mr. Timoteo said that “there could be a rebate on the car in Canada, and it could end up being the same price as the US”
Correction: He should of stated that the rebate is usually only for people purchasing the car for cash only and not to mention that in most cases there are US rebates that will end up being on the same car in the US.

2)As stated in your article also you state that “many manufacturer’s will not honor the warranty here in Canada. AND you will have to drive back to the US to get warranty work done
Correction: MOST of them do in fact honor the warranty here in Canada with a imported car, only a FEW don’t namely Honda and Acura lines. As you can view here : http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253

3)You also state that you will “HAVE TO GET A NEW SPEEDOMETER”
Correction: NO you don’t. The car will pass all certification here in Canada with or without a Canadian Speedometer.

4)Also stated in this article was the mention that the vehicles do not have the same emissions, even for bumpers????
Correction: Can you please show me the facts where a vehicle that is made in the same plant has different emission and bumper rating depending if the car is shipped to the US or Canada?

5)You also state that you will have to purchase a vehicle in the US and pay the state tax and also the GST and PST.
Correction: YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY THE STATE TAX IF YOU ARE EXPORTING THE VEHICLE. I will prove this wrong again by providing you a link to the OHIO tax legislation : http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/5739.029
Also you don’t mention that the GST and PST will be based on the lower US price rather then the higher Canadian price, once again saving you more money.

6)You also state that US car’s do not have Daytime running lights
Correction: some do and some don’t, and it should also be stated that the option is only approx. $300-$400 to install at most dealerships.

7)Also stated was the quote from a Toyota Dealership by a Ray Ash, where he describes that your US car has no resell value here in Canada.
Correction: If that was so why are more and more Large Canadian dealerships selling US cars with the speedometer’s in miles rather then km’s?

8)You also state that it takes up to 3 weeks to get your paperwork processed.
Correction: 3 days to get paperwork to border after payment to dealership. AND if you cross early enough on that 3rd day then you can go straight to RIV office, get form 2 and also goto the Ministry of Vehicles to get your plates…ALL ON THE SAME DAY.

9)Dennis Deroiser, as also stating that 2/3rds of the market has only $1000 difference in price
Correction: 2/3 of the market is over $5000 difference and some even as much at $20000 difference, so how does this figure add up?

I would appriecate a correction article placed in your next “Wheels” section to make sure that people are not pushed into the wrong path for no reason. Also Next time you should get your FULL facts and figures before publishing a article with such an impact on society.

[DSTU]

I was having a similar conversation at work the other day. We are getting fed a bunch of BS, and have little to no recourse. :(

Gas companies are no dummies. If they can sell all of their fuel at $1/L why should they lower the price.

Same goes for Car manufacturers - but they are paying for it now :lol:

[WalterQ]

If I read RIV admissable list correctly, they're closing the door on Hyundai Santa Fe and Veracruz built after Sept. 1.

(but curiously, not Hyundai cars)

Anybody know anyhting different?

WQ

[spdztr]

If I read RIV admissable list correctly, they're closing the door on Hyundai Santa Fe and Veracruz built after Sept. 1.

(but curiously, not Hyundai cars)

Anybody know anyhting different?

WQ

It's true, I posted about this when they did the last update a couple of weeks ago.

It's really too bad, but I can't imagine what would be different!

[cavuu]

If I read RIV admissable list correctly, they're closing the door on Hyundai Santa Fe and Veracruz built after Sept. 1.

(but curiously, not Hyundai cars)

Anybody know anyhting different?

WQ

According to their website the 08 Santa Fe is not available in the US.
Maybe this will change when they get rid of their 07 stock.

I was looking at the 08 Santa Fe GLS FWD with leather (they have changed the model names to US models for 08) and it now has the trip computer, nice. But they took away the auto dimming compass mirror, tires went from 18" to 16", and roof crossbars are now extra $290. List dropped by $400 and MPG increase by 2 to 34MPG.
They ruined the nice all beige interior with beige leather seats and black rugs and black plastic seat trim!

[agepag]

Depending where you are in Canada, there are 3 Subaru salespeople here you can deal with.

I am located in Richmond Hill Ontario, could you pm me with details
Thanks
Adrian

[JWL]

there are few discussions on entry-level vehicles, someting below US20k like Toyota Yaris, Corolla and Honda Fit and Civic.

I think a lot of people can't afford something above 30K especially without borrowing money. Let's start discussing the saving of smaller cars importing from the U.S.!

What's to discuss? Process to import is exactly the same. Lower value cars will have roughly proportionately lower value savings. And they may not be large enough to "bother".

Are you looking for someone to do the price comparisons for you?

[perfchris]

I do not call 5000 savings on a Nissan Versa negligible. That is how much my friend saved when they imported one last month. Out the door price in Canada 22800, price in the US 17500 !



What's to discuss? Process to import is exactly the same. Lower value cars will have roughly proportionately lower value savings. And they may not be large enough to "bother".

Are you looking for someone to do the price comparisons for you?

[reddy54]

Well I have my heart set on a 2008 Subarru wrx sti. I went to my local dealership to get some pricing and this is what I found, a 2008 wrx (not sti) is $32,400 cdn, the sti is going to roughly $44,000 now the US wrx is $24,500 and the sti is $34,000 so I asked the salesman why would I buy a regular wrx if I can get the sti from the us for almost the same price? He basically told me to go to the US since there is nothing he could do! He said the dealership is taking a beating and Subaru Canada is doing nothing about it. I felt bad, but not bad enough to give Subaru Canada $10,000 extra for the same car.... Subaru USA here I come, as long as they don't put it on the inadmisable list!!!!!


I have an even better story. The Subaru dealer near my house told me not to buy a Tribeca in Canada but rather go to USA where it is $15,000 cheaper. I never brought up the USA option, he did.

[Nitol]

I just called GM and they verified that the "Recall clearances letter" which cost only $26.50 two weeks ago, is now $250!!!
This is for a piece of paper which in reality they should provide free of charge to owners of their vehicles.

Shame on them.There is no other explanation but to call this for what it is, "highway robbery".Apparently the cost of a simple click on the keyboard has been raised ten folds.
I am enraged,GM is simply stealing my money.
If I ever hear someone defrauding GM,they'll have my full blessing.

[scope11]

What's to discuss? Process to import is exactly the same. Lower value cars will have roughly proportionately lower value savings. And they may not be large enough to "bother".



I do not call 5000 savings on a Nissan Versa negligible. That is how much my friend saved when they imported one last month. Out the door price in Canada 22800, price in the US 17500 !

I personally saved almost $5,000 on my Nissan Versa last month as well. If 5 grand is negligible to you, then your much better off than me!! :lol:

[jrvic]

Anyone interested in an 2008 RX 350 AWD - Premium Plus Package please contact me via MSG.

2008 RX 350 AWD - Premium Plus Package
Silver Ext, Gray leather/walnut interior
1800 miles, brand new condition.

Purchased and registered in US in early Aug 07. The vehicle is currently in Toronto and ready for import.

As is asking price CAD 44K
Imported asking price CAD 50K



After doing a quick calculation the equivalent cost of bring a similar vehicle to Toronto is about 46K (fully imported). So I am lowering my asking price to these:
As is asking price CAD 41K
Imported asking price CAD 46K

2200 miles, brand new condition. You will save all the hassles of buying and registering the car in the US. Also, you have the option of importing the car yourself and save $.

[warpdryv]

After doing a quick calculation the equivalent cost of bring a similar vehicle to Toronto is about 46K (fully imported). So I am lowering my asking price to these:
As is asking price CAD 41K
Imported asking price CAD 46K

2200 mile, brand new condition. You will save all the hassles of buying and registering the car in the US. Also, you have the option of importing the car yourself and save $.

and of course because you're not a dealer and you've already imported the car, there's no gst, right? how is the vehicle in toronto if it's not been imported yet? how do you "export" it from the US if it's already been removed? this smells fishy.

[jrvic]

and of course because you're not a dealer and you've already imported the car, there's no gst, right? how is the vehicle in toronto if it's not been imported yet? how do you "export" it from the US if it's already been removed? this smells fishy.

I am not a dealer. I have US work permit so I can freely drive any US plated car north of the border. Most of the US plated cars you see in Canada are not necessary tourists. These are probably the biggest thrifters because they save ton of cash by not paying PST and GST on top of a lower priced vehicle. Also read my original post for the reason I am selling the RX.

[Trexim]

I am not a dealer. I have US work permit so I can freely drive any US plated car north of the border. Most of the US plated cars you see in Canada are not necessary tourists. These are probably the biggest thrifters because they save ton of cash by not paying PST and GST on top of a lower priced vehicle. Also read my original post for the reason I am selling the RX.

Shouldn't you be posting this in the BST forum?

[Kamloops]

I just called GM and they verified that the "Recall clearances letter" which cost only $26.50 two weeks ago, is now $250!!!
This is for a piece of paper which in reality they should provide free of charge to owners of their vehicles.

Shame on them.There is no other explanation but to call this for what it is, "highway robbery".Apparently the cost of a simple click on the keyboard has been raised ten folds.
I am enraged,GM is simply stealing my money.
If I ever hear someone defrauding GM,they'll have my full blessing.

What a bunch of Jerks! Dodge at least allows you to get a recall letter online and in fact you dont need a recall letter from Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, and Chrysler as Riv does not require it they just check online here

http://www.dodge.com/webselfservice/dodge/index.jsp?screenName=recall&country=canada&emailUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fapp01.extra.daimlerchrysler. com%2Fwccs%2Fca%2Findex_en.jsp

[cinqhoda]

Unfortunately, our rising CND$, hasn't corresponded to lower gas prices. In January 07, crude oil was at about $110CND barrel while gas was at under $0.90L. Now oil prices are about $80CND barrel (i.e. 25% cheaper) but we're paying about $1.05L (i.e. 15% more) !!!

Basically we should be paying $0.70L or less for gas companies in Canada to be making the same profit they were making in January !!! (obviously there's more to making gas than just crude oil prices but those costs haven't really changed since January so if the oil companies could sell at $0.90 and make a profit, there is no reason we are paying $1.05 now other then lining their already very deep pockets)

In defense of the oil companies (yeah, I know I am going to get slammed), they have to have "very deep pockets" due to the astronomical costs of getting the oil out of the ground and into your gas tank. I understand the anger about the rising cost of gas and the unpredictable price fluctuations, but you can't realistically expect the price of gas to not rise and fall. There are other variables besides the cost of a barrel of oil that are involved when pricing gas such as North American inventories and refinery capacities.

The volatility of this business is such that an Oil company will not build any infrastructure if it can not pay for itself in 18 months. That is why, until now, there hasn't been a new refinery built in Canada since 1984. Today, Shell is planning to spend $27 billion over the next 15 to 20 years building a new upgrader/refinery. This is on top of the other $50 billion Shell and other oil and gas companies are laying out for capital projects for oil recovery for the next 15 to 20 years.

I work in the Petro-Chemical industry in Alberta and see first hand the costs involved. Do I like paying a buck-a-liter for gas? No. But I understand why the costs are high and why they fluctuate.

Also, the performance of our dollar is a direct result of Oil prices. So, if someone saves $10,000 buying a car in the US, you can put that savings directly into your gas tank and virtually drive for "free" for years.

If you really want to feel violated, just look at Canadian Bank profits with their minuscule overhead costs.

Just my opinion :D

[thelefteyeguy]

I have an even better story. The Subaru dealer near my house told me not to buy a Tribeca in Canada but rather go to USA where it is $15,000 cheaper. I never brought up the USA option, he did.

nice :lol:


he's not going to hit his quota for doing that :|

[Shojin]

in before the (page) turn (and 9000th post!) :twisted:

[ac328]

I have an even better story. The Subaru dealer near my house told me not to buy a Tribeca in Canada but rather go to USA where it is $15,000 cheaper. I never brought up the USA option, he did.

Centaur Subaru here in Calgary told me the exact opposite. Gave me the usual BS when I asked about an '08 Legacy Spec B:

- The imported car will be "worthless" for trade-in
- Centaur doesn't take US trade-ins so that's what makes the trade-in worthless
- Subaru is now offering excellent incentives ($1500 off, LOL), so buy here in Canada

The deal offered was this on the '08 Legacy Spec B:

- $44,995 + freight/PDI (around 1,800 I think)
- Cash incentive was $1,500 off, plus he was confident he could get me 5% off MSRP, LOL
- Total was roughly 45,600 out the door if I paid cash

I pointed out I could get the same car for US$32,500 + GST and RIV fee in Seattle. And the above was the best they would do.

The best part was he claimed business was great since the incentives were announced, and that they'd sold 4 cars that day. Uh-huh. The showroom was dead when I went. Which 4 cars were those, base Imprezas???

I feel a little bad because the sales guy was otherwise very nice and courteous, but come on...

[Nitol]

http://www.pmthink.com/MaytagAcquisitionPMO01.jpg


Canadian Auto dealers

[shopper-X]

http://www.pmthink.com/MaytagAcquisitionPMO01.jpg


Canadian Auto dealers

rofl

[portboy]

Anybody know a shop in Burlington/Oakville area could install DRL on a 04 Civic? and what the cost will be? thanks.

[whampoa]

http://blogs.brilliantbutcancelled.com/newswire/20070402_maytag_260x220.jpg

[netdog999]

When I see some screwed up articles it get's me mad!!! I just read an article about importing US cars into canada and they got all their facts wrong (well right for their eyes and to be correct for the car manufacturer) And it's so misleading to so many canadians..so i want to send them a letter and want to make sure that i got all my facts right first...please read and correct me if I am wrong in any fact so i can correct before sending:

I just wanted to comment on your recent article in your “Wheels” section of your paper named “ At first, buying in the US may look like a deal” dated November 8th, 2007. As I am sure that your are aware of the great “speculation” that people here have about buying a car in the US is a much better deal than buying one here in Canada but when articles like yours get published and you don’t know all your facts then you should not publish something of that nature. An article that deters or Misleads people from purchasing in the US is just wrong and should have had all the facts, both the pros and cons that are correct and not just what a Canadian car manufacturer tell you they are.

I will use a few case and points from your article that I would like to correct you on:

1)As Mr. Timoteo said that “there could be a rebate on the car in Canada, and it could end up being the same price as the US”
Correction: He should of stated that the rebate is usually only for people purchasing the car for cash only and not to mention that in most cases there are US rebates that will end up being on the same car in the US.

2)As stated in your article also you state that “many manufacturer’s will not honor the warranty here in Canada. AND you will have to drive back to the US to get warranty work done
Correction: MOST of them do in fact honor the warranty here in Canada with a imported car, only a FEW don’t namely Honda and Acura lines. As you can view here : http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=253

3)You also state that you will “HAVE TO GET A NEW SPEEDOMETER”
Correction: NO you don’t. The car will pass all certification here in Canada with or without a Canadian Speedometer.

4)Also stated in this article was the mention that the vehicles do not have the same emissions, even for bumpers????
Correction: Can you please show me the facts where a vehicle that is made in the same plant has different emission and bumper rating depending if the car is shipped to the US or Canada?

5)You also state that you will have to purchase a vehicle in the US and pay the state tax and also the GST and PST.
Correction: YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY THE STATE TAX IF YOU ARE EXPORTING THE VEHICLE. I will prove this wrong again by providing you a link to the OHIO tax legislation : http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/5739.029
Also you don’t mention that the GST and PST will be based on the lower US price rather then the higher Canadian price, once again saving you more money.

6)You also state that US car’s do not have Daytime running lights
Correction: some do and some don’t, and it should also be stated that the option is only approx. $300-$400 to install at most dealerships.

7)Also stated was the quote from a Toyota Dealership by a Ray Ash, where he describes that your US car has no resell value here in Canada.
Correction: If that was so why are more and more Large Canadian dealerships selling US cars with the speedometer’s in miles rather then km’s?

8)You also state that it takes up to 3 weeks to get your paperwork processed.
Correction: 3 days to get paperwork to border after payment to dealership. AND if you cross early enough on that 3rd day then you can go straight to RIV office, get form 2 and also goto the Ministry of Vehicles to get your plates…ALL ON THE SAME DAY.

9)Dennis Deroiser, as also stating that 2/3rds of the market has only $1000 difference in price
Correction: 2/3 of the market is over $5000 difference and some even as much at $20000 difference, so how does this figure add up?

I would appriecate a correction article placed in your next “Wheels” section to make sure that people are not pushed into the wrong path for no reason. Also Next time you should get your FULL facts and figures before publishing a article with such an impact on society.

What would you expect from a newspaper section called "Wheels" which is filled with lucrative canadian automotive adds? I wouldn't hold my breath for a correction article but who knows.

netdog

[Luds]

Hi folks, I'm looking for a bit of help, I've already posted in the Guide to import thread thread.

I'm trying to import a 2008 3.5 SE Nissan Altima Coupe. I don't know how to obtain the exact list of modifications needed to pass the federal inspection. I've already contacted the RIV and they do not have the exact info about the car. They suggested contacting Nissan USA who don't know either, they knew what was needed to import a Canadian car to the states but not the other way around. They suggested contacting the Canadian side. Nissan Canada can't help they said they had no idea and to contact the RIV.

What do I need to do?

[diigii]

Hi folks, I'm looking for a bit of help, I've already posted in the Guide to import thread thread.

I'm trying to import a 2008 3.5 SE Nissan Altima Coupe. I don't know how to obtain the exact list of modifications needed to pass the federal inspection. I've already contacted the RIV and they do not have the exact info about the car. They suggested contacting Nissan USA who don't know either, they knew what was needed to import a Canadian car to the states but not the other way around. They suggested contacting the Canadian side. Nissan Canada can't help they said they had no idea and to contact the RIV.

What do I need to do?

The 2008 Altima Coupe is ADMISSIBLE under RIV's list. The modifications you need are the daytime running lights only. The car has the French labels, LATCH anchors, 8 km/h bumper and the km/h scale on the speedometer.

Nissan Canada will NOT help you one bit.

Just check RIV's list. WOW!!! Pretty much, Nissan Canada is restricting the import of most of their model lineup: all 2008 model year of Sentra, Altima 4-dr, 350Z and Maxima. How arrogant now that they're back to profitability, when a decade ago they were in the brink of bankruptcy. Money changes everything! Pretty oblivious for them when they don't even a manufacturing plant here in Canada.

[Luds]

The 2008 Altima Coupe is ADMISSIBLE under RIV's list. The modifications you need are the daytime running lights only. The car has the French labels, LATCH anchors, 8 km/h bumper and the km/h scale on the speedometer.

Nissan Canada will NOT help you one bit.


Thanks for the reply. May I ask where you got the information? The Dealer I'm currently talking to believed that It didn't have the electronic lock and immobilizer system but wasn't sure.

EDIT: I feel silly I just see your avatar now ;) Did you go through this process as well? Would you have any suggestions about dealers? I'm currently speaking with Koeppel nissan in the Bronx.

[diigii]

Thanks for the reply. May I ask where you got the information? The Dealer I'm currently talking to believed that It didn't have the electronic lock and immobilizer system but wasn't sure.

EDIT: I feel silly I just see your avatar now ;) Did you go through this process as well? Would you have any suggestions about dealers? I'm currently speaking with Koeppel nissan in the Bronx.

It should have the electronic lock and immobilizer system since the coupe shares the system with the sedan. I'm also surprised to see that the 2008 4-dr Altima is inadmissible.

I bought my 2007 Altima 4-dr in Maryland last Aug 27. I went thru the whole process, which was easy and no sweat at all.

[djs5916]

Just a thought that probably many have had.

Why not compare one of the lucky post Sept-1-2007 manufactured vehicles that managed to be exported into Canada with the equivalent model off the dealership floor?

I've been looking for a 2008 Toyota Sienna and noted that a couple of posters had managed to get their new ones in before the deadline. I wonder if you could take a test drive with an automotive electrician/mechanic and a video camera and compare a Canadian model, supposedly with an approved immobilizer with the US model. Post the video on youtube.com and send memos with references to government agencies and the media, who would be very interested, I'm sure!

The same procedure could be used to compare anything on the inadmissibility list! There are probably a few lucky individuals who have frequented this forum and might be persuaded to compare their "inadmissible" vehicles with their Canadian counterparts. It would make for a brilliant documentary! Maybe someone in the CBC might be willing to expose the double-standards.

[WalterQ]

It's true, I posted about this when they did the last update a couple of weeks ago.

It's really too bad, but I can't imagine what would be different!


Answer - nothing is different; in fact the high end Veracruz has the immobilizer.

Looks like Hyundai has opted for the most elegant means to cut off the cross border trade ... looks more effective than Toyota's "dealer just say no" and Honda's "warranty not valid" approaches.