Official Day 7, Jul 25 - Dell 14 Days of Deals - 20" LCD $399, 24" LCD $769

[Derek]

If you're not familiar with Days of Deals, it's basically one or a number of software and peripherials deeply discounted, for one day only. Sometimes there's limited quantities so if you're interested act fast.

This time around there's a full 14 Days of Deals (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=CAqD7bLWUPI&offerid=116095.10000067&type=3&subid=0) starting July 19th! Deals are usually up around 7 AM ish EST if previous Days of Deals are any indication. We'll be with you early each morning to make sure everyone up to date. Shipping is free for the items throughout this sale.

Day 7! We're one week in and I for one am tired of guessing. Why doesn't Dell just tell us in advance what's for sale ;)

Day 7 - July 25th: (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=CAqD7bLWUPI&offerid=116095.10000067&type=3&subid=0)
*Dell UltraSharp 2007WFP 20" Widescreen LCD w/Height Adjustable Stand - $399
*Dell UltraSharp 2407FPW 24" Widescreen LCD w/Height Adjustable Stand - $769
*D-Link DGS-1005D 5-Port 10/100/1000 Gigabit Switch - $29
*NEC MultiSync LCD3210 31.5" LCD Display - $1799
*Metallic Blue Graphire4 6x8 Pen Graphics Tablet - $149
*48W 6-Cell Seconday Battery (D-Series) - $99

Nice price on the 24" LCD!

http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=CAqD7bLWUPI&offerid=116095.10000067&type=3&subid=0

[good deal bc]

24" LCD's and a printer.

my guess.

[Electricute]

FOR THe love of GOD!! CREATIVE ZEN VISION: m!!!!!!!

[eJay]

wondering when Dell posts the new deal for the day. Now it's already 0:11am and what's shown in Dell's page is still the deal for July24.
ah~ time to go to bed :!:

[Rover]

Please let it be the 2007wfp this time!! :cool:

[eJay]

anybody knows if gps once was in the previous Dell xx Days of Deals?
I ordered a Axim x51v and I need a gps.....

[LowTec]

anybody knows if gps once was in the previous Dell xx Days of Deals?
I ordered a Axim x51v and I need a gps.....

i thought it was an option

[Addict]

anybody knows if gps once was in the previous Dell xx Days of Deals?
I ordered a Axim x51v and I need a gps.....


Yep back on March 18 it went for $139 regular $279

http://accessories.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&cs=CADHS1&sku=310-7304

good luck..

addict

[BinaryJay]

I have to protest these threads being created before the posting of the deal.

All of the useless speculation just dirties up the thread and makes it hard to find where the actual start of the discussion about the actual deal starts in the morning.

[cwb27]

I have to protest these threads being created before the posting of the deal.

All of the useless speculation just dirties up the thread and makes it hard to find where the actual start of the discussion about the actual deal starts in the morning.

LOL... and usually Electricute expresses his/her extreme disappointment.. than goes back to bed. ;)


The only thing of use I've really picked up from the Tuesday report is a 1707FP... Also forced myself not to get the 8 port gigabit switch.

[fl4wless]

42 or 50inch plasma plz!

[warthunder2k]

Hey guys, DELL'S LCDs are on sale!... :)

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=316626&page=1&pp=15

[BooR4dL3y]

Look in the other thread...

Hot? Holux GPSLIM-236 Wireless 20-CHANNELS GPS Receiver W/ Bluetooth $109.99

Seems like there were some good deals there.


anybody knows if gps once was in the previous Dell xx Days of Deals?
I ordered a Axim x51v and I need a gps.....

[Canadianpsycho]

2007 - 399

2407 - 769

D-Link Gigabit Switch - 29

[klutzo]

And a 31.5" Monitor

NEC MultiSync LCD3210 31.5" LCD Display
Featured at
$2,789
Sale Price $1,7991

[weilyan]

notice how it's the same deal for the day 7 dell days and the tuesday report

[sungfra]

So is the 20" a good price compared with similar products in the market and Dell's previous sale price? Lowest 19" I have seen are sub-$200 these days. Not sure if I can justify the extra $ for a 20". Pls share your thought. Thanks.

[xla4life]

Oh no.... RFD effect.... must resist...... Credit Card now being taken out of wallet....

[Ayumix]

Ah geez... 20" Flat panel... soooo tempting!

[mlc2000]

http://img.dell.com/images/ca/segments/gen/promos/days_of_deals.jpg

[Bazooka Joe]

Must resist urge to buy 24" monitor... maybe if I just delay for a few hours they'll sell out (although that didn't work for the axim :cheesygri )

[legion]

Beautiful 24" behemoth... can't resist... must buy...

Anyone know what Dell's standard warranty covers for LCDs? I usually don't bother with extended warranties, but the 4 year dealie looks like it might be worth adding on in this case if it's significantly longer and more robust than their standard warranty / return policy. Compared to the ridiculously expensive extended warranty I turned down when picking up an LCD TV at The Source ($150), $29 seems pretty damn reasonable.

Edit: Nevermind. I just noticed the blatantly obvious 'limited warranty' link at the top of the order page. 3 years standard.

[Max_Dealing]

Ok this is a weird question but...

How do you know if your graphics card can handle the monitor? For example I have the 24" at work and the onbard struggles to keep up.

I have the latest laptop with the 7400 go nvidia card, will it handle the monitors?

[enforcerviper]

Ok this is a weird question but...

How do you know if your graphics card can handle the monitor? For example I have the 24" at work and the onbard struggles to keep up.

I have the latest laptop with the 7400 go nvidia card, will it handle the monitors?


You should be fine with a 7400. I know what you mean, my FX5500 couldn't keep up with 720p xvid movies at 1920x1200 resolution.

Currently my FX5200 doesn't do well with my LG 20.1" @ 1680x1050

[bossboy]

tempting.....now i just need to return my LG 20.1 " monitor to FS, and buy the 24".

Then I have to modify my desk....cause it wont fit....stupid overhanging shelf thing. Ugh...damn dell. Look what they do to us!!! GRRR
lol

[bossboy]

wtf? it says on the dayofdelldeals page that the 2407 has a 600:1 contrast ratio and 12ms response time.

Yet when you click on more details, its 1000:1 contrast ratio.

which is right? I would obviously much prefer 1000:1!

[LowTec]

so excited that I added the 2407FPW into my credit card bill collection, Dell made my day, now what else I can buy in the next 7 deal days :D

[Max_Dealing]

Cheers RFD stikes again.

I wonder if I will ever buy a computer at retail price again? :D

[Gantz]

mmmm....a 2407 next to my 2405....must..resist! :lol:

[Max_Dealing]

What is the title, swivel etc on these? Are they good? Is there height adjustment? Is the 24" any different from the 20" design wise?

[tjuzer]

Is 2405 better 2407? I hear they turn off feature 2407 to make it work.

[m4tt]

Bought the 20" WS LCD

Hopefully it comes with the A02 revision and not the original firmware everyone is complaining about.

[legion]

wtf? it says on the dayofdelldeals page that the 2407 has a 600:1 contrast ratio and 12ms response time.

Yet when you click on more details, its 1000:1 contrast ratio.

which is right? I would obviously much prefer 1000:1!
The manual for the 2407FPW says 1000:1 for contrast ratio, so I'm leaning towards that. It also says 6 ms grey to grey, 16 ms white to black response time, so maybe the 12 ms is the average response time. Who knows really, but it'd be nice if they were a little more consistent.

Either way, just order one via the RFD's affiliate link. w0000t!

[kareshi]

bought the switch

[xla4life]

Bought the 20" WS LCD

Hopefully it comes with the A02 revision and not the original firmware everyone is complaining about.


Has the 20" LCD been sold for cheaper before from Dell? I can't recall.

[m4tt]

Has the 20" LCD been sold for cheaper before from Dell? I can't recall.

I do not believe the 20.1" WS LCD has. The regular 20" display? hmm, maybe?

Regardless, I was in the market for a 20" WS LCD and was trying to decide between the Dell/LG/Viewsonic. I think Dell was the best value for my situation.

[xla4life]

I do not believe the 20.1" WS LCD has. The regular 20" display? hmm, maybe?

Regardless, I was in the market for a 20" WS LCD and was trying to decide between the Dell/LG/Viewsonic. I think Dell was the best value for my situation.


I've been waiting a long time for the 20" WLCD... now that the time has come, I can't pull the trigger!!!!

[m4tt]

I've been waiting a long time for the 20" WLCD... now that the time has come, I can't pull the trigger!!!!

why not? Going for something bigger? :)

[corkboard]

http://www.digg.com/hardware/Dell_2007WFP_Experiencing_Severe_Banding_on_Gradie nts

Don't know if any of you will see these issues, but since I saw some ppl asking and I myself was thinking of another 20". Maybe it won't apply to the LCD's here.

[xla4life]

I've been waiting a long time for the 20" WLCD... now that the time has come, I can't pull the trigger!!!!

I have a ATI AIW 9000 card.... I hope it will work with the 20" WLCD. Otherwise... frig... spend more money on a card.

[kendorama]

At $769 for a 24inch LCD, why not just get the Viewsonic 32inch LCD at Costco for $999?

[vric]

I've been waiting a long time for the 20" WLCD... now that the time has come, I can't pull the trigger!!!!
Same for me. Already on a middle of an computer upgrade. Budget is too tight right now :p

as for banding, it's been solved on A02 revision (for the 20, 24 and 30 inch) It was the Faroudja chip that was causing problem.

[xwar]

Must resist the 24 incher .... bigger is better, need 30 incher ARGGHHH

[xla4life]

I have a ATI AIW 9000 card.... I hope it will work with the 20" WLCD. Otherwise... frig... spend more money on a card.


Found this for those who are interested.... DOH! My ATI 9000 is NOT supported.

http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/emea/topics/products/monitors/fp?c=ed&l=en&s=bsd

[m4tt]

http://www.digg.com/hardware/Dell_2007WFP_Experiencing_Severe_Banding_on_Gradie nts

Don't know if any of you will see these issues, but since I saw some ppl asking and I myself was thinking of another 20". Maybe it won't apply to the LCD's here.

I was under the impression the A02 revision fixed this, but please correct me if I'm wrong.

edit: beaten

edit2: Let's just hope Dell isn't trying to sell of their oldstock of faulty monitors.

[VivienM]

At $769 for a 24inch LCD, why not just get the Viewsonic 32inch LCD at Costco for $999?

Because a 32" LCD TV is much, much, much lower resolution than a 24" computer monitor LCD?

[vric]

At $769 for a 24inch LCD, why not just get the Viewsonic 32inch LCD at Costco for $999?
you compare monitor with TV. not the same thing.

Resolution 1920x1200 vs 1280 x 720. (and not talking about refresh time, input etc...)

[vric]

Found this for those who are interested.... DOH! My ATI 9000 is NOT supported.

http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/emea/topics/products/monitors/fp?c=ed&l=en&s=bsd
It will work. All video card since Voodoo 3/TNT in 1998-1999 support up to 2048 x 1536 resolution. There is no reason the 20" wouldn't work while the 24" do. (1650x1080 vs 1920x1200)

[angui]

Found this for those who are interested.... DOH! My ATI 9000 is NOT supported.

http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/emea/topics/products/monitors/fp?c=ed&l=en&s=bsd


there's software to alter non-standard resolution modes for old cards.

[GiOBoY]

Some of you might want to read this before purchasing...

http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=dim_monitor&message.id=60244&jump=true

http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=dim_monitor&message.id=60950

[Vinman]

I am sooooo glad I jumped on the 2405FPW rather than waiting on the 2407.

[zoob]

2405 has input lag... partially resolved with the 2407. You should note this if you plan on playing FPS :)

[kendorama]

you compare monitor with TV. not the same thing.

Resolution 1920x1200 vs 1280 x 720. (and not talking about refresh time, input etc...)

Thank you. This is why my title is "Newbie". :)

[Awryter]

Man am I glad I read those forums. I am not going to waste 850 bucks on a monitor that cannot correctly display 1080i or 1080p! That's ridiculous considering this would be my HD-DVD/Blu-Ray display once prices come down in a few years.

[Oversized Rooster]

The only interesting item today is the Gigabit switch. Those widescreen LCDs aren't interesting at all - terrible for gaming with that non-standard aspect ratio and resolution.

Besides...you pay $250 for a 19" LCD but $400 for 1 more inch to move to 20"? That's gotta be a terrible deal if you think about it.

[VivienM]

Besides...you pay $250 for a 19" LCD but $400 for 1 more inch to move to 20"? That's gotta be a terrible deal if you think about it.

No, 19" LCD is the terrible deal. You pay more than for 17", but get NOT A SINGLE EXTRA PIXEL for your money.

At least 20" (WS or 4:3) has more pixels than the 19"...

[Riffer]

I guess I'll keep my 19" Trinitron Monitor :mad:

[MrDisco]

The only interesting item today is the Gigabit switch. Those widescreen LCDs aren't interesting at all - terrible for gaming with that non-standard aspect ratio and resolution.

Besides...you pay $250 for a 19" LCD but $400 for 1 more inch to move to 20"? That's gotta be a terrible deal if you think about it.

the widescreens are very interesting - not everyone is a gamer. besides i haven't had any problems playing games on my 2005.

as far as i can remember you've always paid a premium as you moved up the size ladder. the same is true in TVs as well (even in the old tube days). the price is a great deal when compared against other 24" models.

[Electricute]

50% finished and i'm still very disappointed. Theres no way i can justify a 24" LCD, gf would go nuts.


why oh why

[michelb]

No, 19" LCD is the terrible deal. You pay more than for 17", but get NOT A SINGLE EXTRA PIXEL for your money.

At least 20" (WS or 4:3) has more pixels than the 19"...

For what it's worth, I recently went from the Dell 19" to the Dell 20" at work and I actually don't really like it and will probably switch back.

A few things to note:

1) the 20" isn't widescreen; it's wider than a 'normal' monitor but it's still a 4:3 format (i.e. native res is 1600x1200) (don't have a ruler so I can't measure it but it's very slightly taller than the 19" but quite a bit wider (almost 1"))

2) native resolution is 1600x1200 and (as with all LCDs), if you don't run that resolution, it doesn't look that good. Personnaly, I find 1600x1200 too small on a 20" so I run it at 1280x1024 but it isn't nearly as nice (the 19" runs native 1280x1024 so for me it's much better).

The monitor is very nice but if you don't want to run that resolution, I say go for the 19". As far as the price is concerned, I don't think it's worth the difference but again, it boils down to res - if you want to run 1600x1200, get the 20" since you can't do it on the 19".

Hope this helps,
Mike

[df329]

For what it's worth, I recently went from the Dell 19" to the Dell 20" at work and I actually don't really like it and will probably switch back.

A few things to note:

1) the 20" isn't widescreen; it's wider than a 'normal' monitor but it's still a 4:3 format (i.e. native res is 1600x1200) (don't have a ruler so I can't measure it but it's very slightly taller than the 19" but quite a bit wider (almost 1"))

2) native resolution is 1600x1200 and (as with all LCDs), if you don't run that resolution, it doesn't look that good. Personnaly, I find 1600x1200 too small on a 20" so I run it at 1280x1024 but it isn't nearly as nice (the 19" runs native 1280x1024 so for me it's much better).

The monitor is very nice but if you don't want to run that resolution, I say go for the 19". As far as the price is concerned, I don't think it's worth the difference but again, it boils down to res - if you want to run 1600x1200, get the 20" since you can't do it on the 19".

Hope this helps,
Mike

By buying that monitor and then running it @ 1280x1024 you are basically throwing your money away :)

You can adjust text size and icon sizes to fit your needs at the resolution of 1600x1200. LCDs only look good at native resolution and if you're not going to use it then you should stick to the 19" without a doubt.

As for the post above about gaming. Almost every single game will run perfectly on widescreen monitors these days. There's only 2 games I can think of that don't run perfectly. Also, the 24" monitor is great for gaming because you can easily run 16x12 with black bars on the side.

[ibintegra]

For what it's worth, I recently went from the Dell 19" to the Dell 20" at work and I actually don't really like it and will probably switch back.

A few things to note:

1) the 20" isn't widescreen; it's wider than a 'normal' monitor but it's still a 4:3 format (i.e. native res is 1600x1200) (don't have a ruler so I can't measure it but it's very slightly taller than the 19" but quite a bit wider (almost 1"))

2) native resolution is 1600x1200 and (as with all LCDs), if you don't run that resolution, it doesn't look that good. Personnaly, I find 1600x1200 too small on a 20" so I run it at 1280x1024 but it isn't nearly as nice (the 19" runs native 1280x1024 so for me it's much better).

The monitor is very nice but if you don't want to run that resolution, I say go for the 19". As far as the price is concerned, I don't think it's worth the difference but again, it boils down to res - if you want to run 1600x1200, get the 20" since you can't do it on the 19".

Hope this helps,
Mike

You're talking about the normal 2005fp not fpw, right? Because the widescreen is 1680x1050 not 1600x1200. Another thing about the 19-inch displays is that they aren't actually 4:3 but instead 5:4. Resolutions like 1024x768, 1600x1200 are all 4:3.

[Ice]

I know it's been mentioned before, but I can't find it...

How do you check if it's A01 or A02 for the Samsun/Faroudja chip? :)

[humayoon]

Another thing about the 19-inch displays is that they aren't actually 5:4 but instead 4:3. Resolutions like 1024x768, 1600x1200 are all 4:3.

I think most of the 19" lcds are 5:4 with resolution of 1280x1024.

[nightwalker]

wouldn't the viewsonic 20 widescreen at best buy a few weeks ago be a better deal???

it was $365

[Pseudo Nim]

To anybody planning on buying a pair - make SURE you have a video card with dual DVI. Don't settle for DVI+VGA 'cause you'll see a MARKED difference in video quality - it's actually sort of even annoying.

[wstam]

No, 19" LCD is the terrible deal. You pay more than for 17", but get NOT A SINGLE EXTRA PIXEL for your money.

At least 20" (WS or 4:3) has more pixels than the 19"...

For people without good eye, 1280*1024 in 17" is too small for them.
While the text can be enlarged in Windows, the icons can't be adjusted.

8 out of 10 my friends older than 40, complain 1280*1024 in 17" is too small for them. 1280*1024 in 19" is easier for them.

For people with good eye (I have good eye and set 1280*1024 in my 17" CRT), 20" with higher resolution is a better deal.

[humayoon]

The 31.5 in display has a resolution of 1366 x 768 only? So its like a TV and not a monitor I guess.

Whats the lowest price anyone has seen for the Dell 3007?

[elty]

does the 20" support PIP?

[Xon]

Wow, they beat the pricing on 2005fpw pretty fast.

[ibintegra]

I think most of the 19" lcds are 5:4 with resolution of 1280x1024.

Changed my own sentence. You're right, what I mean is that 19-inchs are all 5:4.

[xla4life]

Trying to buy the 20" monitor now and I've gone through 3 reps who won't honour my company's EPP discount on top of the promotion.

Oh god... they can't take my order because they can't spell Toronto...

[spfdz]

Do you guys think its worth returning my monitor to costco to pick this up? (I bought a 2407fpw awhile back for 850+tax)

What should I say to them?

Do I HAVE to walk back into the store or can I just ship it back to them?

[vric]

The only interesting item today is the Gigabit switch. Those widescreen LCDs aren't interesting at all - terrible for gaming with that non-standard aspect ratio and resolution.

Besides...you pay $250 for a 19" LCD but $400 for 1 more inch to move to 20"? That's gotta be a terrible deal if you think about it.

First, the Widescreen resolution become a standard and 80% of new game support it. But if you are the type of guy to scream at your video club because you can't find the movie you want in fullscreen, I understand..

As for the price, if you look only at the size, then yes it's not worth it. If you look a bit more with panel quality, then you might understand why it's more expensive. S-IPS panel are probably the most expensive panel. Compare that to the Apple Cinema Display which is the same panel and sell for $999...

And not talking about resolution. 1280x1024 (which is a strange ratio btw) vs 1680x1080. More pixel = more expensive.

You know, Tiger direct sell some 19" for under $200. you should take that..

[vric]

does the 20" support PIP?
yes

[vric]

wouldn't the viewsonic 20 widescreen at best buy a few weeks ago be a better deal???

it was $365
The Dell use a S-IPS panel while the Viewsonic use S-PVA. the S-IPS is better overall quality (but a bit slower). Not talking about the inputs/pip/adjustment the viewsonic lack.

For $30 more, it's a no brainer.

[mintcoffee]

the 20" LCD has a very high resolution, which is SUPPOSE to be a good thing. Unfortunately, Microsoft has sort of implemented DPI settings / font scaling into Windows. However, many graphical elements in Windows are set to pixel sizes rather than relative sizes. You can increase the font size through the 'font size' setting in the Appearance control panel which helps a bit on a display with high resolution.

Windows Vista should have better DPI settings i presume, since everything is to be handled by a 3d card?

[bmaz]

For people without good eye, 1280*1024 in 17" is too small for them.
While the text can be enlarged in Windows, the icons can't be adjusted....Icon size can be adjusted.

[Bachelor]

You should be fine with a 7400. I know what you mean, my FX5500 couldn't keep up with 720p xvid movies at 1920x1200 resolution.

Currently my FX5200 doesn't do well with my LG 20.1" @ 1680x1050
Cant you just lower the resolution to get smoother video? I know its not native resolution, but does it make a difference?

I have an ATI All-In-Wonder 8500 thats 4 years old... do you think it'll be too slow for the 24"?

[Pseudo Nim]

The only interesting item today is the Gigabit switch. Those widescreen LCDs aren't interesting at all - terrible for gaming with that non-standard aspect ratio and resolution.

Besides...you pay $250 for a 19" LCD but $400 for 1 more inch to move to 20"? That's gotta be a terrible deal if you think about it.

I guess you haven't tried using 1600x1200, eh? :) I thought that too, until I moved from 1280 to 1600. It's a world of difference.

Re: gaming - that's not what you should be saying. What you *should* be saying is "what sort of video card do you need to have a decent framerate at THAT resolution", hehe.

-pN

[Plazma]

Day 7 - July 25th:
*Dell UltraSharp 2007WFP 20" Widescreen LCD w/Height Adjustable Stand - $399


I bought the 19" LCD when it was on for $249 ($100 off reg.) earlier in the Days of Deals. Even if the 20" LCD is $200 off reg., it hardly seems worth another $150 (plus the taxes on the $150) for just another inch of screen space.

Maybe I'm just not rich... :|

[Jon Lai]

For people without good eye, 1280*1024 in 17" is too small for them.
While the text can be enlarged in Windows, the icons can't be adjusted.

8 out of 10 my friends older than 40, complain 1280*1024 in 17" is too small for them. 1280*1024 in 19" is easier for them.

For people with good eye (I have good eye and set 1280*1024 in my 17" CRT), 20" with higher resolution is a better deal.


It's not just them, I'm 16 and I ran my 17" LCD at 1024x768 as well, while I CAN switch it up, it makes me feel tired very soon at that resolution, and I'd rather not. Somehow, the differences are not very great for my 17" LCD, so I can't complain.

==

Back on today's deals, wow, sure are hot deals... the 24" at least. 20" LCDs are very common nowadays and I can't justify why I would pay more for a Dell LCD than Viewsonic or LG. The 24", on the other hand, while Dell always had the lead on lower pricing, this is just another breakthrough at $30 lower than their previously lowest possible price. Unfortunately, I still can't justify myself buying one, but most likely I'll be picking one up when it reaches $699 or a pair if I can hold off until $599 :P

[BinaryJay]

I got ripped off as an early adopter, like usual.

I paid $800 for my first 2005FPW, and then $550 for the second one.

[michelb]

You're talking about the normal 2005fp not fpw, right? Because the widescreen is 1680x1050 not 1600x1200. Another thing about the 19-inch displays is that they aren't actually 4:3 but instead 5:4. Resolutions like 1024x768, 1600x1200 are all 4:3.

I stand corrected. I hadn't even noticed until now but there's a 2007FP and a 2007WFP - I have the 2007FP.

As far as the dimensions, as stated, 'my' 20" is 4:3 res and the dimensions (inside of bezel) are pretty much 4:3 (16 1/4" x 12") while the 19" is 5:4 and the dimensions are 5:4 (14 3/4" x 11 7/8") (in case you are curious, my 17" is 13 1/4" x 10 5/8" (also 5:4).

Also to clear up the native resolution, here they are:

2007FP : 1600x1200 (too small for me but others like it)
1907FP : 1280x1024 (I like this)
2007WFP: 1680x1050 (never seen it)
1707FP : 1280x1024 (strangely enough that's what I run and I'm fine with it - might be because I don't write code on this screen).

Sorry about the confusion and hope this helps,
Mike

[jrnight]

Woohoo,

ordered the 24".

I wonder if my 6600GT will handle Titan quest.

[Majoram]

Is the 20" a better deal than this:

$389.99
Viewsonic VX2025WM 20.1" Widescreen LCD 8MS Response time 1680 x 1050 Resolution, 800:1, 300 cd/m2 Brightness, Built-In Speakers w/DVI Cable.

I'm going on the reviews and general good user comments on this Viewsonic.

I want to mostly use the monitor for gaming and watching movies.
Also would be nice if colour reproduction is good too (which I believe the Viewsonic is better?? at).

[zoob]

Is the 20" a better deal than this:

$389.99
Viewsonic VX2025WM 20.1" Widescreen LCD 8MS Response time 1680 x 1050 Resolution, 800:1, 300 cd/m2 Brightness, Built-In Speakers w/DVI Cable.

I'm going on the reviews and general good user comments on this Viewsonic.

Huge thread about it here:

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1026462

[Canadianpsycho]

Woohoo,

ordered the 24".

I wonder if my 6600GT will handle Titan quest.

ROFL, good luck with that. I'm pretty sure the 2407 can crop non native resolutions anyways.

I'm not pleased with my framerates with my 1900 XTX on my 20" WS, I can just imagine how they'd be on a 24".

[dealers]

To anybody planning on buying a pair - make SURE you have a video card with dual DVI. Don't settle for DVI+VGA 'cause you'll see a MARKED difference in video quality - it's actually sort of even annoying.


When you say planning to buy a pair, is that mean, a pair of 19" - it is better to buy dual DVI video card. They are much much more expensive thru...why?

[Emancipated]

You can't lose with either one, I think the general consensus would be. The Dell components are crap according to people. As a matter of personal taste, I think the fit and finish of the Dell looks better. The back of the Viewsonic looks too cheap and plastic-like.

[Bachelor]

Cant you just lower the resolution to get smoother video? I know its not native resolution, but does it make a difference?

I have an ATI All-In-Wonder 8500 thats 4 years old... do you think it'll be too slow for the 24"?
Can anyone answer this for me?

[longo]

you guys think i should return my LG one back to FS and get the dell 20" instead?

[sunny923]

Hi everyone.

I am very very tempting for the 24" LCD. Is it possible to use it as an external Monitor for my laptop. My laptop's video card is 32MB ATI MOBILITY RADEON 7500. Mainly I want to use it to browse the web and watch movies.....

[computerguy]

w00t, just ordered the 2007wfp... ship date is the 31st.

[YauYin]

Whats the lowest price anyone has seen for the Dell 3007?

1499 during the last dell deals.

[VivienM]

I stand corrected. I hadn't even noticed until now but there's a 2007FP and a 2007WFP - I have the 2007FP.

As do I :) It's my second 20" 1600x1200 monitor, and I just love that size... (24" would be nice, but expensive)

[j8lam]

Question before I buy the switch: I have a wireless router in my computer room. I'm planning to have about 3 devices in my living room that can use Ethernet. Can I simply buy another wireless router for the living room (since they usually come with 4 wired ports)? Or do I need to buy something like a wireless bridge and this switch? I'd prefer the first solution since it would only be one component instead of 2 and routers are usually cheaper than bridges anyway. Thanks!

[JohnB]

Can anyone answer this for me?

Yeah, I should have asked this question before I bought the 20" widescreen too :)

So the Dell is better than the LG right ? Can someone confirm this or please comment...thanks.

[Ice]

Cant you just lower the resolution to get smoother video? I know its not native resolution, but does it make a difference?

I have an ATI All-In-Wonder 8500 thats 4 years old... do you think it'll be too slow for the 24"?

Generally, yes you can... lowering the resolution means less detail, means less data to compute, means less processing and smoother video. Of course if your CPU is the bottle-neck it won't help. It will look (a lot) more fuzzy, but if it's video, and you're sitting back and just watching- then it's usually not as bad.

[Ice]

Question before I buy the switch: I have a wireless router in my computer room. I'm planning to have about 3 devices in my living room that can use Ethernet. Can I simply buy another wireless router for the living room (since they usually come with 4 wired ports)? Or do I need to buy something like a wireless bridge and this switch? I'd prefer the first solution since it would only be one component instead of 2 and routers are usually cheaper than bridges anyway. Thanks!

It sounds like you need to buy 2 more devices... normally, the consumer wireless routers (with the 4-/5-port built in switch) can't communicate wirelessly with each other. Can you run an ethernet cable from your existing router to your switch? I think mods for the Linksys router (sold on yesterday's Deals) have a bridging feature.

But - if you want to go wireless, why not just get the computers to connect directly via wireless instead of using wired ethernet?

[McLaren]

Just a reminder for people collecting airmiles, log in from www.yourshops.ca first then order the dell product to score some miles!

[DoneDeal]

Should be a 2707 coming in Sept/Oct, with 1920x1200 res, 27" will result in a nice font size at that resolution.

The 2407 may be only 6 bit see, the 2405 was 8 bit:
http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00GkGu

The 2405 is a good LCD, not perfect it too has some issues with the low end, dark area in photos just dont look as good as Ive seen elsewhere, you need to be sure to calibrate the gamma. The 2405 is also too bright at times.

But after using 1920x1200, there is nothing else, and now for just $769 WOW thats amazing :)

[hagbard]

Never mind.

[bambam]

Should be a 2707 coming in Sept/Oct, with 1920x1200 res, 27" will result in a nice font size at that resolution.

The 2407 may be only 6 bit see, the 2405 was 8 bit:
http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00GkGu

The 2405 is a good LCD, not perfect it too has some issues with the low end, dark area in photos just dont look as good as Ive seen elsewhere, you need to be sure to calibrate the gamma. The 2405 is also too bright at times.

But after using 1920x1200, there is nothing else, and now for just $769 WOW thats amazing :)

I want to buy the 2407WFP but I had 2007Fp before and had the fuzzy text problem.
This is my concern still

http://simon.fearby.com/temp/ocau/reviews/2407_Test.jpg

Can anyone confirm that their 2407WFP is OK?http://japanese.engadget.com/2006/05/09/2407wfp-fuzzy-text/
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/content/dell_2xx7wfp_2.htm

[nightwalker]

i have that Nvidia fx5200 video card...would taht card support the 20" monitor?

[Pseudo Nim]

When you say planning to buy a pair, is that mean, a pair of 19" - it is better to buy dual DVI video card. They are much much more expensive thru...why?

I mean, a pair of _any_ LCD monitors should be connected to dual DVI, and not DVI+VGA. Dual DVI cards are not that expensive - you can get a GeForce 6600GT with dual DVI for like $100, and get very good performance, too.

As a general comment for all those planning on buying a 2407 with their lame 8500, 9000, etc. other garbage video cards - guys, you have your priorities wrong. Would you buy a Mercedes-Benz S65 AMG for $200k and live in a single-room, rented, apartment and park your car on the street? Hopefully the answer is no, and then you should get a proper video card, too. ;)

[soupnazi]

Thanks for informing us about this issue Bambam. This is the first I've heard of it. Man, the 2407 line has so many issues. *hugs 2405* :razz:

[Bazooka Joe]

One thing I'm not getting here... it seems that all the "sky is falling" crowd is finding issues that were fixed with the A02 revision. Can anyone say what is specifically wrong with the 2407 A02?

[Hot Ice]

As a general comment for all those planning on buying a 2407 with their lame 8500, 9000, etc. other garbage video cards - guys, you have your priorities wrong. Would you buy a Mercedes-Benz S65 AMG for $200k and live in a single-room, rented, apartment and park your car on the street? Hopefully the answer is no, and then you should get a proper video card, too. ;)
:lol: :lol: :lol: I did hear there are guys in some states who does this to pickup chicks... although not the high end models, but a lower end Benz or a 3 Series Bimmer. All their $$ goes to the car and the chicks, not much left for themselves :lol:

[wiresncode]

Can someone PM me the link to the dlink switch, my employer blocks linksynergy at our proxy server :!: grrrrrr.....

Thanks,
Tom

[Lawler]

Is there any banding issues with these LCDs?

[bambam]

One thing I'm not getting here... it seems that all the "sky is falling" crowd is finding issues that were fixed with the A02 revision. Can anyone say what is specifically wrong with the 2407 A02?


That is what I am trying to confirm.


User Opinions of the New Screen





Bandito: The monitor does not store the 1:1 settings of DVI also. One dot text blurring is present in both VGA and DVI, though they are pretty insignificant/hard to notice. The problem mainly lies at the DVI input due to firmware or otherwise, until Dell issue new firmware (unlikely) or a newer revision, it is better to hold of purchasing 2407.”



Shannada: “The Australian PC Authority Magazine gave the Dell 2407FPW two awards (the "PC Authority Excellence" award and the "PC Authority Labs Winner" award) and 6 stars out of 6. The Dell 2407 was awarded the top prize out of all the reviewed LCD’s. Banding is confirmed in the technical tests but according to the review did not affect the real-world performance tests. The reviewer commented on the 2407's sharp picture quality and no mention of blurred text. Sounds to me like a big thumbs up for Dell 2407



Australian PC Authority Magazine: (FYI, this review compared ten 20" plus LCD monitors including the Dell 2407FPW and Eizo S2410W. The Dell 2407FPW was also compared against the previous model Dell 2405FPW, and the Dell 2007FPW was compared against the previous model 2005FPW. All monitors were tested for technical performance (using DisplayMate Multimedia Edition 2 and Meko) and real-world performance (DVD, HD clips, Far Cry game, PixPerAn, digital photos, and Office applications for text clarity, etc.)

“The picture quality was superb. This was particularly clear in our movie test (LOTR), which saw a tremendous amount of detail in dark scenes and at no point seemed over-saturated in colourful outdoor scenes. Viewing angles are excellent, easily allowing a group of people to gather around it with no compromise in quality. The lush greens of FarCry appeared precisely as they should, and the fast motion resulted in virtually no blurring and juddering. Our only gripe is that the new model sports noticeable banding in the previously excellent colour-ramp technical tests. Only very high-end graphics professionals would complain though. With all of its features the 2407FPW's only real drawback is that it isn't as stylish as the Eizo. But considering the superb 3-year warranty, next business day on-site warranty (plus 14 days satisfaction guaranteed policy as well), the extra inputs, the card reader and bargain price, it wins this Labs by a clear mile. At this price it is a real steal. It's the best monitor we have ever seen both for workers and multimedia buffs alike. Buy one now!”


http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/content/dell_2xx7wfp_3.htm
http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?page=7174&head=0 (<--look at the review date)
http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3240&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1150&sid=6d7f78e38bda898dc305a131577a3d77

[Pseudo Nim]

:lol: :lol: :lol: I did hear there are guys in some states who does this to pickup chicks... although not the high end models, but a lower end Benz or a 3 Series Bimmer. All their $$ goes to the car and the chicks, not much left for themselves :lol:

Aye, people in Japan do that too - the manager of this guy I used to know owned a white S500, customized to the extreme, with fins and various things, and it was beautiful.

The guy lived in the company dorm.

Let's not be like that, shall we? :)

[MrDisco]

well i bit the bullet on the 2407 oO. i received 2% off from my EPP (they wouldn't take the 5% because of the sale price). i also bought the 5 year extended warrenty, but i was probably a sucker for doing so.

[Rover]

Hell yeah! I've been waiting over a month to get the 2007wfp. Was holding out for a dell day deal and it finally happened! :cheesygri

[RogerSingh]

2405 has input lag... partially resolved with the 2407. You should note this if you plan on playing FPS :)

Yeah, but the 2407 doesn't have a contrast setting. Only Brightness adjustment.

The 2405 has both contrast and brightness adjustment. Not having contrast adjustment on the 2407, was the final nail in the coffin for me not to buy it.

[Bazooka Joe]

That is what I am trying to confirm.



http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/content/dell_2xx7wfp_3.htm
http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?page=7174&head=0 (<--look at the review date)
http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3240&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1150&sid=6d7f78e38bda898dc305a131577a3d77

Once again more information totally irrelevant to this model. The first link has a small section on the A02 that says basically "maybe it's fixed, maybe it's not". The second link was written on June 15/06, right around the time the A02 came out, could have easily been an A01. The third link you've posted says

"i mean it's not as bad as I'm making it sound, some people don't care to much about fine image details, they just want a sharp, large monitor with little lag, no bleed, nice stand, for the lowest price and this is that"

Sounds to me like a fantastic deal.

[Majoram]

Huge thread about it here:

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1026462

Okay that's a looooonnnngggg thread and pretty old.
Seems mainly people turned down the Dell because of the banding problems but if that is fixed.........is it better?????

I got a bunch of other questions as well (if anyone can help, pretty please :) ):

- Is there a way to test for banding if I bought the 2007WFP?

- Does anyone know the site that shows detailed specs for a bunch of LCDs? It was posted in RFD somewhere but I can't find it anymore (stuff like panel type etc - I want to compare other LCDs as well).

- Does the 2007WFP crop or stretch lower resolutions to fit?

- Is the 2007WFP HDCP compliant?

- Any info on Dell exchange policy or their "Advantage Warranty $29" ?

Thx!

[Bachelor]

As a general comment for all those planning on buying a 2407 with their lame 8500, 9000, etc. other garbage video cards - guys, you have your priorities wrong. Would you buy a Mercedes-Benz S65 AMG for $200k and live in a single-room, rented, apartment and park your car on the street? Hopefully the answer is no, and then you should get a proper video card, too. ;)
Well, my 8500 will be replaced eventually, but not this year. I just want to know if the 24" will work with it until I upgrade. I dont want to get the monitor and then realize I have to upgrade my computer immediately, since I'm not ready for that.

Until I upgrade, I wont be playing any new games. It'll just be video and general internet use, so I want to know if the 24" will work with that at least.

[aznshadow]

Ok this thread is pretty long but I'm just want some answers!!!

I'm considering the Viewsonic at BB. ViewSonic 20.1" LCD Monitor (VX2025WM) or this dell deal. I'm not familiar with LCD monitors and all i care about is playing my games (only warcraft3 for now) and watching movies. Which one is better for these 2 applications.

[Emancipated]

Does your 8500 have a DVI connector? If so, it's a sure bet it will power 1920x1200.

[gangus]

I mean, a pair of _any_ LCD monitors should be connected to dual DVI, and not DVI+VGA. Dual DVI cards are not that expensive - you can get a GeForce 6600GT with dual DVI for like $100, and get very good performance, too.

As a general comment for all those planning on buying a 2407 with their lame 8500, 9000, etc. other garbage video cards - guys, you have your priorities wrong. Would you buy a Mercedes-Benz S65 AMG for $200k and live in a single-room, rented, apartment and park your car on the street? Hopefully the answer is no, and then you should get a proper video card, too. ;)

Wrong... why would one need a fast GeForce 7900 or Radeon X1900 when they are only going to use it for 2D like internet, office or programming???

[Canadianpsycho]

Yeah, but the 2407 doesn't have a contrast setting. Only Brightness adjustment.

The 2405 has both contrast and brightness adjustment. Not having contrast adjustment on the 2407, was the final nail in the coffin for me not to buy it.


I was under the impression some panels don't allow for adjustment when a signal is input over DVI. You can just adjust them in the ATI/Nvidia control panels anyways...

[Valek]

Hrm.. kind of a newbie question, but does that 48W 6-Cell Seconday Battery (D-Series) work with the Dell Inspiron 710M? I know it mentions the Latitude series, but would it also work with the Inspiron?

[hagbard]

I was under the impression some panels don't allow for adjustment when a signal is input over DVI. You can just adjust them in the ATI/Nvidia control panels anyways...

Yes, the 2405 does not have contrast adjustment when using DVI (its grayed out). With mine, I have to turn the brightness way down (has been a zero until recently, when I noticed the whites weren't very white compared with my Macbook) and did further adjustment in ATI CCC.

[ijustwannasearch]

i ordered the 2007 but did anyone confirm with dell if they are sending out the A02 panels?

[cheukiecfu]

how does the 2007WFP dell monitor compare to this $299 Metro 20"WS monitor:
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10072506&catid=22335

[MrDisco]

i ordered the 2007 but did anyone confirm with dell if they are sending out the A02 panels?

isn't A02 specific to the 2407; or aka i dont think the 2007 suffers the same issues as the 2407.

[Ice]

If I remember from last time this was discussed, there was no easy way to check until you open the box as the sales reps don't really have that info.

How do you check if it's A01 or A02 for the Samsun/Faroudja chip? I know it was discussed but I can't find it anywhere! :(

[Emancipated]

how does the 2007WFP dell monitor compare to this $299 Metro 20"WS monitor:
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10072506&catid=22335


FEATURES:
Multi-Language OSD
PC And Mac Compatible
DVI With HDCP

:?: :!:
Wouldn't have guessed a "no-name" monitor would have DVI, let alone HDCP.


ackerK']must resist.. now how about the Dell 30" LCD hehehe

Woulnd't suprise me if they have it tomorrow or soon after.

[[H]ackerK]

must resist.. now how about the Dell 30" LCD hehehe

[Bachelor]

Does your 8500 have a DVI connector? If so, it's a sure bet it will power 1920x1200.
Thanks for answering. Yes, my 8500 does have DVI but I'm actually wondering if the 8500 is powerful enough that things will run smoothly on the 24". I dont want videos or my 4-year old games to stutter.

[Gujustud]

I ordered my 2407 back in June, which arrived June 30th. It is the A02 rev (on the back of the monitor, and on the label on the outside). I purchased my monitor for $849.15, so I'm in the process of having dell credit the difference for me. They said they don't ever do price protection, but its all over their forums on the their website. Waiting for a call back right now, so we'll see what happens. Thats like $80+ in difference!

[hsedin]

your 8500 will be fine running windows apps in 1920x1200.. game wise i think often the game will "default" you down to 1600x1200 (half life 2 does that to me but I am not sure of the newer games). In any case.. running at 1600 would be quite taxing for the 8500 already so i guess the bottom line is.. it would be very hard to run games at the 24" naive resolution.

on 1600x1200 HL2 still look gorgeous on my 2405 though :)

[Vinman]

2405 has input lag... partially resolved with the 2407. You should note this if you plan on playing FPS :)

I play them all the time, with no issue and I have several low-ms 19" and 20" LCDs to compare it to. In fact, it's my gaming monitor of choice.

Maybe people having trouble are using POS video cards with single-core CPUs. :lol:

[j8lam]

It sounds like you need to buy 2 more devices... normally, the consumer wireless routers (with the 4-/5-port built in switch) can't communicate wirelessly with each other. Can you run an ethernet cable from your existing router to your switch? I think mods for the Linksys router (sold on yesterday's Deals) have a bridging feature.

But - if you want to go wireless, why not just get the computers to connect directly via wireless instead of using wired ethernet?

Thanks Ice. Actually, in my living room, I'd like to connect my Xbox360, my Slingbox, and in the future, maybe an A/V receiver. I would like the connection from my living room to my computer room to be wireless and I want to keep the modem in my computer room. I guess the easiest way to go is to buy a switch like the one on sale today and a wireless access point/bridge instead of trying to get 2 routers to work together wirelessly?

[Shaf]

I currently have a WRT54G v3... would this Dlink switch work okay with the Linksys for addtional wired connections in a seperate room?

[Kaitlyn]

What do you guys think about the graphire4 tablet?

[Vinman]

I'm not pleased with my framerates with my 1900 XTX on my 20" WS, I can just imagine how they'd be on a 24".

Whoa, something must be wrong with your setup then. I'm running an AiW X1900 (lower clocked than the XTX) on the 2405, and gaming is excellent. What CPU do have you have running?

Then again, when I bought the monitor, I had just set up a new system (Athlon 64 X2) with a fresh XP install, so that definitely helps too.

[kingsley]

I play them all the time, with no issue and I have several low-ms 19" and 20" LCDs to compare it to. In fact, it's my gaming monitor of choice.

Maybe people having trouble are using POS video cards with single-core CPUs. :lol:

I think when he says input lag he means if you plug your usb mouse into the monitor's usb hub.

[zoob]

I play them all the time, with no issue and I have several low-ms 19" and 20" LCDs to compare it to. In fact, it's my gaming monitor of choice.

Maybe people having trouble are using POS video cards with single-core CPUs. :lol:

Test with pictures:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1026393&highlight=input+lag

My reports of input lag:

http://sharkyforums.com/showpost.php?p=2147158&postcount=108
http://sharkyforums.com/showpost.php?p=2250325&postcount=6
http://sharkyforums.com/showpost.php?p=2250481&postcount=12

[Canadianpsycho]

Whoa, something must be wrong with your setup then. I'm running an AiW X1900 (lower clocked than the XTX) on the 2405, and gaming is excellent. What CPU do have you have running?

Then again, when I bought the monitor, I had just set up a new system (Athlon 64 X2) with a fresh XP install, so that definitely helps too.

Nothing wrong with my setup, I just don't like anything less then 60 fps if I can help it.

While playing TQ at 1680x1050 with pretty much everything cranked there's fairly noticeable slowdowns from time to time... I can't justify the jump to a 24" LCD yet simply because then I pretty much require a Xfire/SLI setup.

Although admittedly I do run a couple background apps.

Frames per second is just the one thing I'm pretty particular about - my sense of smell sucks, my hearing is bad (I blame Ozzy), my tastebuds are shot (I blame too many Pizza Pizza pizzas in college), but my eyes seem to be very picky.

[Majoram]

Okay that's a looooonnnngggg thread and pretty old.
Seems mainly people turned down the Dell because of the banding problems but if that is fixed.........is it better?????

I got a bunch of other questions as well (if anyone can help, pretty please :) ):

- Is there a way to test for banding if I bought the 2007WFP?

- Does the 2007WFP crop or stretch lower resolutions to fit?

- Is the 2007WFP HDCP compliant?

Thx!

Can anyone help with the above questions?

Also the panel for Dell is S-IPS and ViewSonic VX2025WM is P-MVA.
Isn't P-MVA better?

It's also AU Optronics too, which I have read as being a good panel.

Please anyone?

[TDOofSD]

It is a going to take a miracle to keep my wallet in my pants today.

[TDOofSD]

is there any trailing in fps? such as quake 4? cs? for the 20" and 24" models?

[Canadianpsycho]

It is a going to take a miracle to keep my wallet in my pants today.

I have that problem, but not with my wallet.

[xla4life]

I have that problem, but not with my wallet.


BOOYA!

[wild]

I want a 2407, someone make me an offer for my 2005 wide screen flat panel, its roughly 1yr old, no dead pixels, no bleeding. Local to GTA only I will not ship. Insane lowballers will be ignored :D Hopefully someone can come close to the $ I have in my mind so I can upgrade :D:D:D

[airodus]

Nothing wrong with my setup, I just don't like anything less then 60 fps if I can help it.

While playing TQ at 1680x1050 with pretty much everything cranked there's fairly noticeable slowdowns from time to time... I can't justify the jump to a 24" LCD yet simply because then I pretty much require a Xfire/SLI setup.

Although admittedly I do run a couple background apps.

Frames per second is just the one thing I'm pretty particular about - my sense of smell sucks, my hearing is bad (I blame Ozzy), my tastebuds are shot (I blame too many Pizza Pizza pizzas in college), but my eyes seem to be very picky.

Titan quest is just a bad performer. I have run it at 800x600 and still get the same slowdowns as running it at 1680x1050 (caves, shadows and fires seem to be the worst causes). This is with an X850XT PE.

[Pseudo Nim]

Wrong... why would one need a fast GeForce 7900 or Radeon X1900 when they are only going to use it for 2D like internet, office or programming???

I never said they need a 7900 or a X1900. At the same time, if you're spending $769 on a monitor, it doesn't make sense to have a $15 video card powering it, wouldn't you agree? If you have to question whether your card is powerful enough to drive it, don't you think that it's a bit out of date?

[Pseudo Nim]

I was under the impression some panels don't allow for adjustment when a signal is input over DVI. You can just adjust them in the ATI/Nvidia control panels anyways...

You usually can't adjust the dimensions, but you can still adjust brightness/contrast.

[Canadianpsycho]

Titan quest is just a bad performer. I have run it at 800x600 and still get the same slowdowns as running it at 1680x1050 (caves, shadows and fires seem to be the worst causes). This is with an X850XT PE.

Ah, OK.

[kingsley]

is there any trailing in fps? such as quake 4? cs? for the 20" and 24" models?

Not in my 2405! Woot!


I feel like getting a big mac for some reason...too bad dell doesnt sell those :|

[DVST8]

Not in my 2405! Woot!


I feel like getting a big mac for some reason...too bad dell doesnt sell those :|

I hear that Apple sells pretty Big Mac's. They now have a 30" lcd monitor! that roughly goes for 3 grand. But if that doesn't satisfies you, theres always Mcdonalds. :)

[P90Puma]

2007wfp - 31st ship date.

Here's hoping for A02 and no dead pixels.

[MrDisco]

i really ticked off my dell rep. i went back and had them cancel my 24" in favour of the 20". while its a great deal, after tax it came to $950 which is a hell a lot of cash for 4". i figured i'll spend the difference (~$400) on better ram, video card for my new C2D system.

[Shaf]

bought the switch..

[fl4wless]

i really ticked off my dell rep. i went back and had them cancel my 24" in favour of the 20". while its a great deal, after tax it came to $950 which is a hell a lot of cash for 4". i figured i'll spend the difference (~$400) on better ram, video card for my new C2D system.



boy are you going to regret that decision.

[kingsley]

boy are you going to regret that decision.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[xarekusu]

1499 during the last dell deals.


I think it was 1599$
maybe 1499 for dell.com


edit : my bad it was 1499 can last dell deal

[Edpaulw]

boy are you going to regret that decision.

I second that emotion. Buying a 24" Dell monitor was one of the best hardware purchases I ever made :!: :!:

And my latest purchases have all been "paid for" thanks to the purchase of ATI by AMD. :) :) :)

[JackyTheBeaver]

boy are you going to regret that decision.

You think? Maybe he'll be glad he saved the money when a year later the price of the 24inch drops even further.

[Edpaulw]

This is a bit "off topic" but is associated with Dell's "Days of Deals".

Does Dell ever supply the Purolator tracking number? Is there some way to get it "on line" or do you have to phone Dell?

[snow]

What do you guys think about the graphire4 tablet?

I picked up the 4 x 5 tablet for my niece
($80 after rebate) http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10066811&catid=24138&logon=&langid=EN

Curiously enough it's very well made.
They took care in the design.
It came with a boatload of software that you can optionally install.
Photoshop elements, etc. They're full versions.
The notes software is fun.
The drivers are on a seperate disk.

The 4 x 5 is a little on the small side, but works for occasional use.
( Niece has no complaints at all )

The 6 x 8 doubles the tablet area.
That would be very nice.
Easier to use.
And I would find it necessary for anything above rare or occasional use.

[amardeepsingh]

i currently have an x800 pro and 19" LCD running at 1280x1024 and am considering getting getting the dell 24". do you think my video card could drive both of these in a dual view setup?

[bambam]

i really ticked off my dell rep. i went back and had them cancel my 24" in favour of the 20". while its a great deal, after tax it came to $950 which is a hell a lot of cash for 4". i figured i'll spend the difference (~$400) on better ram, video card for my new C2D system.
Well you could have sold me your 24" since I asked for your discount code and would've collected all those free airmiles :)

[kud0s69]

The only interesting item today is the Gigabit switch. Those widescreen LCDs aren't interesting at all - terrible for gaming with that non-standard aspect ratio and resolution.
Besides...you pay $250 for a 19" LCD but $400 for 1 more inch to move to 20"? That's gotta be a terrible deal if you think about it.


Huh?? Every game I have played in the past 2yrs has had 1680 by 1050 resolution. It does look wacked if you pick a standard resolution, but unless your playing Quake 2 you won't have any trouble picking a widescreen resolution.

I have the older 20" Widescreen monitor. I would never lose to you in a FPS because of my monitor. I have never seen tearing. Never experienced screen lag....NOTHING. In fact, my Widescreen LCD only helps in games. I can see more than you. Screen isn't distorted, it actually has more side to side viewing area. I play every game at 1680 by 1050, usually with higher than normal settings, and have ZERO problems. I used to play NFS Most Wanted, Wow, EQ2 at max resolution on a 9800 PRO. Now I have more room to play with (X800GTO2)

I think the Widescreen is MUCH better for gaming....I won't ever go back. I have a 19" LCD as well and the quality of that monitor (Samsung - forgot model) is far inferior to the Dell 2005FPW.

[wild]

I want a 2407, someone make me an offer for my 2005 wide screen flat panel, its roughly 1yr old, no dead pixels, no bleeding. Local to GTA only I will not ship. Insane lowballers will be ignored Hopefully someone can come close to the $ I have in my mind so I can upgrade

[warthunder2k]

Do you guys think it is worth it paying 29$ more for 1 year more of guarantee?

[Jon Lai]

I want a 2407, someone make me an offer for my 2005 wide screen flat panel, its roughly 1yr old, no dead pixels, no bleeding. Local to GTA only I will not ship. Insane lowballers will be ignored Hopefully someone can come close to the $ I have in my mind so I can upgrade

You realize that selling that 20" when it's on sale right now for $399 isn't very smart... lol.

[Bazooka Joe]

I want a 2407, someone make me an offer for my 2005 wide screen flat panel, its roughly 1yr old, no dead pixels, no bleeding. Local to GTA only I will not ship. Insane lowballers will be ignored Hopefully someone can come close to the $ I have in my mind so I can upgrade

Once is bad enough, but twice in the same thread? You should know better, if you want something sold, take it to BST... >:(

[MrDisco]

Well you could have sold me your 24" since I asked for your discount code and would've collected all those free airmiles :)

no because:
- to use the EPP code you can't go through the yourmiles website
- i'm not placing ~$1000 on my credit card and then meet up with a stranger to get cash and place myself at risk of being mugged.
- there was a 5yr warrenty extension added to it further complicating matters

[MrDisco]

Do you guys think it is worth it paying 29$ more for 1 year more of guarantee?

i dont think it is. initially i bought it b/c i was kind of pressured by the sales rep but the way i look at it is you already get 3 years warrenty. in your 4th year these panels will be outdated with faster/bigger/true HD models out for probably the same as what you paid now. put the $30 in a savings account and save up for a new one at that time if this one goes caput (most likely the backlight will burn out after 4 years of use).

[MrDisco]

boy are you going to regret that decision.

not really. the initial purchase was pure impulse but after thinking about it financially and logically it didn't make any sense. technology pricing goes down, not up. if they can afford to sell it at ~$770 today it means they can afford to do so again later. further, after seeing the final total come to over $900 i was like wait a sec - i can buy an entire computer for that much or for the same price i could almost buy 2 x 2007fpw.

my current 2005fpw is fantastic so adding 4" isn't going to improve my computing experience significantly more. but building a new pc with a better video card sure would.

different priorities for different people. i got caught up in the impulse buy when i got my 60gb ipod photo and don't want to go through the regret afterwards when the cc bill comes around.

[hsedin]

i currently have an x800 pro and 19" LCD running at 1280x1024 and am considering getting getting the dell 24". do you think my video card could drive both of these in a dual view setup?


I have a similiar setup with an x800 pro, running 2405 and a 2005 with no problems.. the only thing is one will have to go out via the standar VGA as supposed to DVI.. but I haven't noticed that much difference

[hsedin]

not really. the initial purchase was pure impulse but after thinking about it financially and logically it didn't make any sense. technology pricing goes down, not up. if they can afford to sell it at ~$770 today it means they can afford to do so again later. further, after seeing the final total come to over $900 i was like wait a sec - i can buy an entire computer for that much or for the same price i could almost buy 2 x 2007fpw.

my current 2005fpw is fantastic so adding 4" isn't going to improve my computing experience significantly more. but building a new pc with a better video card sure would.

Speaking as someone who have a 2005, then added a 2405, I would say that it did add significantly to my windows experience, although as you said, every one is different. Being able to open up full size documents, spreadsheets and webpages side by side is important to me, and that's how I justified my purchases, as a bigger HD + CPU might not necessarily fill the same shoes. Right now, when I use my 2005 in my old computer, it really does feel more "constricted" somewhat.

Again, everyone's different and that's why there are all these models for us to spend our money on :)

[pestilenc]

I guess I'll keep my 19" Trinitron Monitor :mad:

I'm in the same boat; I have a Viewsonic 19" that I just love. Sure its big and will kill me in an earthquake, but the colours are just so vibrant and beauitful.

[ainsane]

Can anyone think of a reason why Bestbuy wouldn't pricematch Canada Computer's Viewsonic at $390? I've never PMed anything at BB. I want to buy it there with a PM and use gift cards to bring it down to around $350 including tax. I want to cancel my Dell order and do this, but don't wanna be screwed if BB doesn't want to do it.

Anyone have any experience at BB PMing CC?

[mahjongmaniac]

Can anyone think of a reason why Bestbuy wouldn't pricematch Canada Computer's Viewsonic at $390?

the usual:

"CC isn't an authorized dealer", or "CC has a diff. return policy", etc etc...

the usual BS :rolleyes:

there have been RFDers who have had success PMing tho. worth a try.



I've never PMed anything at BB.

there's always a "1st" for everything...

time to go PMing buddy :)

[pestilenc]

Wow, after reading those pages of Dell complaints, there are a lot of issues with the 2407. I'm sure it only applies to a small percentage of people, but compared with the 2405, this certainly does seem to be a step backwards.

I can't deny that my wallet is burning a hole in my pocket though. :)

Speaking of the 2007; I bought one for my mom in January, during a previous DD. I played Quake 4 and Battlefield 2 a fair bit on it and didn't notice any blurring (I have a 7800GT and was running them in native res... well Quake 4 anyway, I had to cheat a bit with BF2 since I couldn't get 1600x1050 working correctly). I was pretty concerned that the refresh was too low but I didn't notice anything untoward.

It is a very bright monitor. I had to turn down the brightness quite a lot and there was a tiny bit of bleed through from the backlight but its pretty insignificant.

I'd recommend it wholeheartedly.

That is, if you can be ok with the 20" and not the 24". I'd love to get the 24" but all the issues I've read, coupled with the fact I'd need to get another 7800gt to run games well in its native resolution has given me pause.

[Rover]

Speaking of the 2007; I bought one for my mom in January, during a previous DD.

Do you mean the 2005wfp? Cause the 2007wfp wasn't out in january. I think I read the 2005 suffered from some backlight bleeding, but this was fixed in the 2007 model.

[ainsane]

Thanks. I've PMed at Futureshop a bunch of times, but I rarely shop at Bestbuy so I haven't had the chance. I'm gonna take a shot and cancel my Dell order for the monitor.


the usual:

"CC isn't an authorized dealer", or "CC has a diff. return policy", etc etc...

the usual BS :rolleyes:

there have been RFDers who have had success PMing tho. worth a try.




there's always a "1st" for everything...

time to go PMing buddy :)

[mahjongmaniac]

Thanks. I've PMed at Futureshop a bunch of times, but I rarely shop at Bestbuy so I haven't had the chance. I'm gonna take a shot and cancel my Dell order for the monitor.

whether FS or BB -> doesn't matter, same PMing process.


u should try 2nite at ur local FS/BB store(s) and if it doesn't work out, u still have a few hrs left to order f/ Dell again :razz: (if i'm not mistaken, their dell deals end the next morning)

[ainsane]

whether FS or BB -> doesn't matter, same PMing process.


u should try 2nite at ur local FS/BB store(s) and if it doesn't work out, u still have a few hrs left to order f/ Dell again :razz: (if i'm not mistaken, their dell deals end the next morning)

Yeah, but I don't have the gift cards on hand; I just ordered them. I took the risk and cancelled the Dell. I'll keep trying at a different BB till I get the PM.

Thanks for the info. :)

[warthunder2k]

i dont think it is. initially i bought it b/c i was kind of pressured by the sales rep but the way i look at it is you already get 3 years warrenty. in your 4th year these panels will be outdated with faster/bigger/true HD models out for probably the same as what you paid now. put the $30 in a savings account and save up for a new one at that time if this one goes caput (most likely the backlight will burn out after 4 years of use).


Thank you

[pestilenc]

Do you mean the 2005wfp? Cause the 2007wfp wasn't out in january. I think I read the 2005 suffered from some backlight bleeding, but this was fixed in the 2007 model.

Damn, you're right. Sorry about any miscommunication there folks.

[Bachelor]

your 8500 will be fine running windows apps in 1920x1200.. game wise i think often the game will "default" you down to 1600x1200 (half life 2 does that to me but I am not sure of the newer games). In any case.. running at 1600 would be quite taxing for the 8500 already so i guess the bottom line is.. it would be very hard to run games at the 24" naive resolution.

on 1600x1200 HL2 still look gorgeous on my 2405 though :)
Thanks for your input. So HL2 defaults you down to 1600x1200 even though you're on a widescreen? I assume you choose another game resolution that will give you a wide aspect right?

[legion]

The more I read about the lingering problems with the 2407 (even with the newest A02 revision), the more concerned I get about my order. The fact that Dell doesn't seem to have any plans to do a A03 revision (which would open the door for a future exchange while still under warranty) pretty much wraps it up for me. I'll almost certainly cancel my order tomorrow.

Ah well. Gaming at the native resolution would've been a little problematic anyway.

[Bazooka Joe]

The more I read about the lingering problems with the 2407 (even with the newest A02 revision), the more concerned I get about my order. The fact that Dell doesn't seem to have any plans to do a A03 revision (which would open the door for a future exchange while still under warranty) pretty much wraps it up for me. I'll almost certainly cancel my order tomorrow.

Ah well. Gaming at the native resolution would've been a little problematic anyway.

What problems are reported in the A02 revision?

[pspxbox]

I got one for myself thanks

[legion]

What problems are reported in the A02 revision?
Browsing through the Dell forums turns up consistent reports that the degree to which the A02 revision fixed the colour banding isn't 100%, with it still being a major issue on some of the A02s and a minor issue on others, even in desktop mode. Additionally, since Dell fixed it by simply disabling the Faroujda chip for desktop mode, the banding comes back in full effect for any other mode (multimedia or gaming). Seems a damn shame that the greatly reduced banding came at the cost of the Faroujda video processing features.

Also, 1080i support seems iffy, since it's a no go on the DVI connection. Works on the component connection, mind you, but then you lose out on HDCP, and the deinterlacing is apparently faulty. 1080p is supported at 60 Hz over DVI, however, so as long as any HDTV receivers / blue-ray / hd-dvd players requiring HDCP and connected via DVI can upconvert 1080i to 1080p, it shouldn't be a big problem... but the lack of support bothers me a bit. Also, 720p supposedly still exhibits tearing artifacts (in 1:1 mode, while stretching the 720p signal out of its proper aspect ratio seems to fix the tearing), adding up to less than stellar HD support overall.

[hustler]

nice backpack.....i think ill grab it...been looking for a notebook backpack

[Ice]

How can you identify the A01 from the A02 monitors?

[GiOBoY]

I guess some people just missed my post altogether and bought without doing their DD. LAWL :lol:

I think I'll wait for A03 from Dell before making my order.

Here are the links again...


http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=dim_monitor&message.id=60244&jump=true

http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=dim_monitor&message.id=60950

[Bazooka Joe]

Browsing through the Dell forums turns up consistent reports that the degree to which the A02 revision fixed the colour banding isn't 100%, with it still being a major issue on some of the A02s and a minor issue on others, even in desktop mode.

There are few reports online about banding still existing in the 2407 A02, however every review site I could find stated that they got something that was equal to the 2405 in banding. Good example here (http://www.pcauthority.com.au/feature.aspx?CIaFID=1403).

Most of the "reports" that you find are people who know people, or people who read about other people who still have problems. And even those with problems have had success with returning their monitors and getting replacements (the worst case I've yet read in a forum was a guy who did 3 returns).


Additionally, since Dell fixed it by simply disabling the Faroujda chip for desktop mode, the banding comes back in full effect for any other mode (multimedia or gaming). Seems a damn shame that the greatly reduced banding came at the cost of the Faroujda video processing features.

The Faroujda chip is responsible for the banding, and AFAIK all it does is switch automatically between the desktop, multimedia or gaming modes. By all reports the desktop mode is fantastic for both multimedia or gaming. Haven't heard a complaint about that yet. It's also relatively a pain to switch between the modes, so it's not something I could see myself doing.


Also, 1080i support seems iffy, since it's a no go on the DVI connection. Works on the component connection, mind you, but then you lose out on HDCP, and the deinterlacing is apparently faulty. 1080p is supported at 60 Hz over DVI, however, so as long as any HDTV receivers / blue-ray / hd-dvd players requiring HDCP and connected via DVI can upconvert 1080i to 1080p, it shouldn't be a big problem... but the lack of support bothers me a bit. Also, 720p supposedly still exhibits tearing artifacts (in 1:1 mode, while stretching the 720p signal out of its proper aspect ratio seems to fix the tearing), adding up to less than stellar HD support overall.

Assuming one uses this as a monitor, this is also a limited issue. But I can understand that if one wanted to use this as a TV and didn't have an HDTV converter, then this issue could be considered larger.

The reason I'm asking/challenging this is that I picked one up, we'll have to see when it gets here how I feel about it. But I'm 99% sure based on what I've read that for my purposes I'll find it a nice monitor. As with all things, YMMV, thanks for answering my question.

[alsonot]

I got a bunch of other questions as well (if anyone can help, pretty please :) ):
...

- Does the 2007WFP crop or stretch lower resolutions to fit?

...


All LCD's will stretch lower resolutions to fill the display, but most people want to prevent or at least control that.

Some DVI driven displays have a 1:1 display function, which disables "scaling", so you can use lower 4:3 resolutions but there will be back bars surrounding your picture; IMHO a perfect compromise.

Others scale, but don't scale to the widescreen format, that is they scale whatever you give them vertically, keeping the sources 4:3 aspect ratio intact. In some cases this is called "zoom" mode.

Both of these low/nonstandard handling techniques can be done by your video card preemptively (I think all new NVIDIA drives can do this, *but* there is/was an issue with the 7 series gpu's doing just this).

Perhaps an owners of the 2007WFP can confirm the 1:1 feature? Saddly I missed out on the sale so can't do so directly. :(

[tuzzi]

Saddly I missed out on the sale so can't do so directly. :(

I phoned Dell today, and was told I could have the same deal

[sfrancis]

I have been thinking about getting the 24" but was put off by various issues. In the meanwhile, still waiting for Core 2 release to get the new PC built. Anyone can recommend an alternative to Dell's 24" LCD wide screen other than Apple ?

Thanks

[warthunder2k]

A DELL representative called me yesterday to confirm the order, but it was really weird. I answer the phone, someone with a thick accent says: ''T-H- '' (spelling my name) I'm like what? who is this? is this a joke? and then again ''T-H-'' At this point i'm confused and think it's a joke, so I ask again ''who is this ?'' Finally the (probably Indian) CSR says ''I'm calling from Dell, but 'im not sure how to spell your name. Could you please tell me your name, adress and postal code so I can confirm the order'' I ask if she can can speak in french, as my mothertongue is french and I filled the order in french. She says no, and says there is no one else that speaks french at the call center. Pretty gay if you ask me. They should:

a) Have people that speak french, the order was done on the french dell.ca page.

b) Start by telling who they are and what they want, starting by spelling my name is not appropriate and I thought it was a prank call.

[Aceyalone]

Anyone know when this LCD is gonna go on sale again? I missed out cause I didn't know about the deal.

[Majoram]

All LCD's will stretch lower resolutions to fill the display, but most people want to prevent or at least control that.

Some DVI driven displays have a 1:1 display function, which disables "scaling", so you can use lower 4:3 resolutions but there will be back bars surrounding your picture; IMHO a perfect compromise.

Others scale, but don't scale to the widescreen format, that is they scale whatever you give them vertically, keeping the sources 4:3 aspect ratio intact. In some cases this is called "zoom" mode.

Both of these low/nonstandard handling techniques can be done by your video card preemptively (I think all new NVIDIA drives can do this, *but* there is/was an issue with the 7 series gpu's doing just this).

Perhaps an owners of the 2007WFP can confirm the 1:1 feature? Saddly I missed out on the sale so can't do so directly. :(

Thanks!

I guess I will let you know whenever I get mine.

Anyone here had theirs' shipped yet? Mine is still "confirmed" but not shipped. :(

[warthunder2k]

Same here, it's confirmed but not shipped. But the indian CSR said I should have it in 5 buisness days.

[kingsley]

Anyone know when this LCD is gonna go on sale again? I missed out cause I didn't know about the deal.

Probably in a month or two.

Try calling in and see if you can get the same price. Tell them you missed the deal. Maybe a CSR will give you the dell deal price.

[Majoram]

Same here, it's confirmed but not shipped. But the indian CSR said I should have it in 5 buisness days.

I called them too and the lady said 7 - 10 days.

[Majoram]

Probably in a month or two.

Try calling in and see if you can get the same price. Tell them you missed the deal. Maybe a CSR will give you the dell deal price.

Someone posted earlier that they called in after the day and got the deal.

[KidA]

Just to make other people aware, i called to ask if i could get the 2007wfp at the 'days of deals' sale price and was told that the lowest they could give it to me was $419. I told the csr that i wasn't interested at that price so he put me on hold for all of about 5 seconds to 'talk to the manager', and then came back on the line and said he can do it for $399.

[legion]

Anyone here had theirs' shipped yet? Mine is still "confirmed" but not shipped. :(
My 2407 was already shipped when I tried to cancel it, even though their online system still hadn't been updated with the info that it had shipped. Could be that some of your 2007 orders have actually shipped too, but their online system is just lagging behind.

[Bachelor]

I ask if she can can speak in french, as my mothertongue is french and I filled the order in french. She says no, and says there is no one else that speaks french at the call center. Pretty gay if you ask me.
Are you one of those Quebecers that speaks perfect English but demand to have everything written and spoken in French, just out of spite? I ask because you dont seem to have any trouble writing in English.

I think you knew that as a result of outsourcing, the CSR was calling from India and it was unlikely that he/she would know any French... but you still asked to converse in French, just to give the CSR a hard time. No offense, but I'm just curious because I've heard of people in Montreal that are like that.

One incident had an out-of-towner ask a Montrealer for directions, and in perfect English the Montrealer asked the guy if he could re-ask his question in French. When the out-of-towner said he couldnt speak French, the Montrealer said "Then I cant help you" and walked away. :confused:

[warthunder2k]

Are you one of those Quebecers that speaks perfect English but demand to have everything written and spoken in French, just out of spite? I ask because you dont seem to have any trouble writing in English.

I think you knew that as a result of outsourcing, the CSR was calling from India and it was unlikely that he/she would know any French... but you still asked to converse in French, just to give the CSR a hard time. No offense, but I'm just curious because I've heard of people in Montreal that are like that.

One incident had an out-of-towner ask a Montrealer for directions, and in perfect English the Montrealer asked the guy if he could re-ask his question in French. When the out-of-towner said he couldnt speak French, the Montrealer said "Then I cant help you" and walked away. :confused:

Stop with the flaming...


It causes me much more trouble to speak in english, some words I don't remember or don't know. How about dell contacts you speaking Chinese, since the products are manufactured in China? Does it make sense? no, of course. If they want to outsource, no problem, there are plenty of developping countries that speak french. Maroc, Algeria, etc.

[haowong]

Are you one of those Quebecers that speaks perfect English but demand to have everything written and spoken in French, just out of spite? I ask because you dont seem to have any trouble writing in English.

I think you knew that as a result of outsourcing, the CSR was calling from India and it was unlikely that he/she would know any French... but you still asked to converse in French, just to give the CSR a hard time. No offense, but I'm just curious because I've heard of people in Montreal that are like that.

One incident had an out-of-towner ask a Montrealer for directions, and in perfect English the Montrealer asked the guy if he could re-ask his question in French. When the out-of-towner said he couldnt speak French, the Montrealer said "Then I cant help you" and walked away. :confused:


I am from montreal. I am sorry to hear some out of towner has had some bad experience here. That attitude is NOT the norm, it was an isolated case.

As for DELL, although I am perfectly bilingual, I always prefer calling in French. When you do call in French, you get directed to call centers in Canada (I got Toronto and NewBrunswich when I called). Those agents may not speak perfect French but their accent is A LOT more understandable than the agents in India.

Furthermore, the "French" agents speak perfect English and some are willing to switch and continue in English.


In a way, it helps local jobs too!




With that in mind, I don't see the problem of requesting a French speaking agent when calling or being called by Dell.

:)

[warthunder2k]

My 2407 was already shipped when I tried to cancel it, even though their online system still hadn't been updated with the info that it had shipped. Could be that some of your 2007 orders have actually shipped too, but their online system is just lagging behind.

Same here, my monitor was shipped yesterday according to CSR, but website is not updated. He also told me it was shipped from the US, it's going to take 3 days to get to Canada and then he will have the purolator tracking number.

[kingsley]

Are you one of those Quebecers that speaks perfect English but demand to have everything written and spoken in French, just out of spite? I ask because you dont seem to have any trouble writing in English.

I think you knew that as a result of outsourcing, the CSR was calling from India and it was unlikely that he/she would know any French... but you still asked to converse in French, just to give the CSR a hard time. No offense, but I'm just curious because I've heard of people in Montreal that are like that.

One incident had an out-of-towner ask a Montrealer for directions, and in perfect English the Montrealer asked the guy if he could re-ask his question in French. When the out-of-towner said he couldnt speak French, the Montrealer said "Then I cant help you" and walked away. :confused:

Stop hating on him. I'm actually quite glad he brought up the point that the sales reps can't speak French. I never really thought of a way to stick it to Dell for outsourcing their CSRs to India. I want my sales reps to speak perfect English.

[Bazooka Joe]

Garbage CS is something you have to accept if you also want the cheap pricing that dell offers. The two come together part and parcel. Outsourcing is one of the ways that they keep their pricing down so that they can pass the savings onto their customers.

[lolibra]

Are your order status showing up online? Mine still isn't updated, should I call to confirm?

[lolibra]

Are your order status showing up online? Mine still isn't updated, should I call to confirm?
Just called in, they're having problems with the online tracking system.

[heinz256]

i called yesterday to see where mine was.They said it shipped yesterday from Austin, Texas and should get here (Calgary) on Monday. I really hope this is the rev02 version with a S-IPS panel or i'll be pretty pissed.

[holyheaven]

i called yesterday to see where mine was.They said it shipped yesterday from Austin, Texas and should get here (Calgary) on Monday. I really hope this is the rev02 version with a S-IPS panel or i'll be pretty pissed.

unfortunately all 2407 with s-PVA panel as far as i know...only S-IPS was with early a02 version of 2007fp i just sold 2 days ago

[sfrancis]

unfortunately all 2407 with s-PVA panel as far as i know...only S-IPS was with early a02 version of 2007fp i just sold 2 days ago

From what I read there is pros and cons for the 2 type of panels. For graphics or photo work, IPS would be preferred but the disadvantage is the slow response time, which makes it a bad choice for gaming. So in my view if will be using the monitor for various purpose, PVA might be a better compromise.

[heinz256]

oops, sorry, forgot to mention i had bought the 2007, not the 2407. However im thinking im more likely to get a S-PVA panel since someone had posted that the new 2007's are all S-PVA.But i guess we'll wait and see

[Skipper]

2007WFP's have been S-IPS, tho, there are UNVERIFIED RUMOURS that they might have switched. 2007FP's are both S-IPS and PVA's, although the latter seems to be showing up more in the newer models. The S-IPS have a 8ms grey-to-grey response time, which is comparable to many.

[sfrancis]

I find this pretty helpful:

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1039222

[PlayerOne]

I find this pretty helpful:

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1039222

nice find :)

[Majoram]

Is there a way to tell if they changed the panel on the WFP2007?? (without opening it up that is).

[P90Puma]

Update:

Talked to a dell rep, apparently the monitors shipped out on the 26th from the USA and should arrive in TO on the 31st. And from TO to our desks!

[holyheaven]

Is there a way to tell if they changed the panel on the WFP2007?? (without opening it up that is).

all 2007wfp except very early production uses exactly same panel as 2005wfp..it is LG. philips panel....in early production, they uses newer version of 2005wfp panel which was 6ms but they somehow had problem and now all 2007wfp equiped with exactly same panel as 2005wfp

[Majoram]

all 2007wfp except very early production uses exactly same panel as 2005wfp..it is LG. philips panel....in early production, they uses newer version of 2005wfp panel which was 6ms but they somehow had problem and now all 2007wfp equiped with exactly same panel as 2005wfp

Cool thanks for the info but let's say I'm paranoid :cheesygri and I trust no one, how would I be able to tell??

Just FYI for anyone who wants to know; although I placed my order on the 26th, I guess I placed it too late at night and they had to build new ones.

So mine was in production yesterday and supposedly it shipped today.
They said 3 days to reach Toronto, so that would be Tuesday or Wednesday (apparently the delivery ppl don't drive on weekends???! So they say...).

Then after that, it would be a day before it would get to Toronto.
Here's hoping I get it by Thursday :) before I leave for a short vacation.....

[computerguy]

Are you guys able to check your online status?
I have the email dell sent with the order # but it's not showing up when I check it :|
what's going on?

[P90Puma]

Indeed niether am I, but i called and its not an issue. Our orders are still good.

[warthunder2k]

Can't wait have my 24'' screnn, I should have it on thursday probably. (estimation)

[mark001]

I ordered 2 of the 2407fpw's tuesday morning at 8am sharp.. when I called Dell yesterday to check the status the CSR said most of the orders are going to Toronto on Monday so unless you're in the GTA I'd guess you'll get it Tuesday or Wednesday.

[martyreg]

*Dell UltraSharp 2007WFP 20" Widescreen LCD w/Height Adjustable Stand - $399
Any recommendations for a video card for people who don't know much about video cards? Typical use - Internet, Creating documents and games like World of Warcraft.

Went through the thread but did not find any.
Thanks

[legion]

GTA on Monday for the win! It's being delivered to my workplace, so I know I'll be there to accept it... but waiting for the day to end, so I can go home and set it up, while being stuck just looking at the box is going to suck.

[superbundance]

I missed this deal and I have been looking for a week... now back to 599... I need a gun!

[MrDisco]

Any recommendations for a video card for people who don't know much about video cards? Typical use - Internet, Creating documents and games like World of Warcraft.

Went through the thread but did not find any.
Thanks

a 7600GS or 7600GT will be more then enough.

[Majoram]

Just called. My 2007WFP shipped on the 28th (Friday) and the CSR called the shipping company and said it "should" arrive in Toronto today!!!
She said there are no purolator tracking numbers yet though. :(

Here's hoping I get it by Wednesday at least!

[mark001]

Was told that my two would arrive tomorrow but Purolator showed up a day early. Delivery guy was confused why I needed two :lol:

Set one up already and its beautful, no dead/stuck pixels though there are scuff marks all over my bezzel.. :mad: not really happy about that but not angry enough to return it.

[legion]

I have a Purolator tracking number now (dell's online system seems to be working again, although it's estimated delivery date was the 28th, so it's not entirely accurate), but when I go to Purolator's site, won't let me track the number online. It tells me to call them with the number if I want details.

And no Purolator guy has shown up at work yet either, so I'm losing hope for delivery here in Toronto today. Here's hoping he slips in before the end of the day though.

[Rover]

My 2007wfp arrived this morning and I wasn't expecting it cause I live in vancouver and read here that people were told it would arrive in toronto today. Apparently it was shipped via air, which is why I got it so fast. Freaking sweet monitor! I love it! No dead pixels or anything! Rev A02 and S-IPS panel. (checked to make sure):cheesygri

[computerguy]

My 2007wfp arrived this morning and I wasn't expecting it cause I live in vancouver and read here that people were told it would arrive in toronto today. Apparently it was shipped via air, which is why I got it so fast. Freaking sweet monitor! I love it! No dead pixels or anything! Rev A02 and S-IPS panel. (checked to make sure):cheesygri
How do you check what kind of panel it is?

[Rover]

How do you check what kind of panel it is?

Go into the service menu. With the monitor powered off, press and hold the + and MENU buttons while turing the power on. Once the monitor powers on, release the buttons and press the - button. The SVC menu will appear, with the panel type at the top. If the panel type reads "LPL WSXGA LM201W01", then it's a Philips S-IPS panel.

[JohnB]

Hi when the sale was on I bought this:

Dell UltraSharp 2007WFP 20" Widescreen LCD w/Height Adjustable Stand - $399

My question is can I use this as a little tv ? If I get a TV tuner card ?

Thanks.

[warthunder2k]

yes you can watch tv on it.

[nutsngum]

I just got my 24 inch. It's friggin sweet.

One dead pixel unfortunetly.

I called dell and I have the option of a one time trade in for a new monitor, the dead pixel is located towards the left side of the monitor.

Do you guys think it's worth exchanging? I don't wanna get stuck with a shitter one. Are there places that replace dead pixels?

[warthunder2k]

Wow lucky, how did you receive it so fast? Mine is still in transit from the USA and is supposed to get to Toronto tomorrow.

PS: One dead pixel, I would keep it. It saves you the huge hassle of returning it and being without a monitor in the meantime. Also, the replacement could be worse. So personnally I would keep it.

[vric]

Hi when the sale was on I bought this:

Dell UltraSharp 2007WFP 20" Widescreen LCD w/Height Adjustable Stand - $399

My question is can I use this as a little tv ? If I get a TV tuner card ?

Thanks.
Any monitor will show tv signal if you have a TV tuner card... It's the card that do the job, not the monitor :)

It's like asking if the monitor will show the picture of your sons.

[JohnB]

Any monitor will show tv signal if you have a TV tuner card... It's the card that do the job, not the monitor :)

It's like asking if the monitor will show the picture of your sons.

Thank you - so this 20" widescreen should have the same picture quality as a dedicated LCD tv of the same size...

If that is the case why dont more LCD computer monitors have built in TV tuners ?

[DanTou]

Just FYI.

Got mine in Quebec city at noon today. :)

[legion]

Bah! Now that my tracking number is working on Purolator's site, my 2407 shows up as being at their Toronto depot. Why must they tease me by having it so damn close, but still making me wait till tomorrow for delivery!? A pox on your house, Purolator!

Oh, and nutsngum, before exchanging your screen (assuming there aren't any other issues like backlight bleeding or anything), I'd try one of the stuck pixel fixer progs (they cycle through a host of colours, which can unstick stuck pixels... not dead pixels though). It'd suck to exchange a potentially fixable LCD for one that might end up with even more dead pixels, or perhaps some other issues. I can't offer a link to such a program, unfortunately, but I remember reading someone posting about success unsticking a pixel with some PSP pixel fixer util. Maybe someone else can cough up a link to something like that.

I figure it's worth a try, at least. And if it doesn't work, then I'd start considering an exchange, depending on how annoying the placement of the dead pixel is.

[Rover]

If that is the case why dont more LCD computer monitors have built in TV tuners ?

Because it adds to the cost. The NEC monitor has a built in tv tuner, but it also costs like 700 bucks!

[warthunder2k]

Cant believe people got their monitor already!

[heinz256]

Has anyone in Calgary received their 2007wfp's yet??

[P90Puma]

Recieved.


AWESOME monitor. Zero dead pixels. 2007wfp.

[Majoram]

Recieved.


AWESOME monitor. Zero dead pixels. 2007wfp.

Any particular utilities you all are using to test for dead pixels??

Still haven't gotten mine yet but I got a Purolator tracking number and it does not work online!!!@!$@# Message says to call Purolator. Grrrrr..

[P90Puma]

Any particular utilities you all are using to test for dead pixels??

Still haven't gotten mine yet but I got a Purolator tracking number and it does not work online!!!@!$@# Message says to call Purolator. Grrrrr..


Nope, just a white blank screen.

[bossboy]

I called home, Apparently there is a big box there for me :) I assume its the 2407 :D

Can't wait till im off work.
3 more hours to go.

[xla4life]

still waiting for my 2007WFP! :mad:

[warthunder2k]

Still waiting also...

[Foomanchoo]

Got mine in good order today! w00t! :) I ordered on July 26th. Shipping was fast, even though their system says it isn't gonna ship till August 2nd.

It's a very sweet monitor, I must say. I'm thoroughly impressed. :cool: :cool: The base is made of metal, so it's quite sturdy and stable for the most part. If you do move or tilt the monitor in certain directions or angles, the monitor does become a little tipsy, so watch out for that. It's better than the Viewsonic VP903b, which has an 'X' based, but the base is made entirely of plastic. The monitor becomes somewhat unstable because of this. I almost knocked it over when I messed around with it @ NCIX. hehe. :!:

Movies look great. Haven't tried out any games yet. The screen is sharp and bright. Text is sharp and pictures are crystal clear. Now to find some wallpapers that will show the true potential of this puppy. :) Gosh, I think I'm corrupted already. I don't think I can go back to a regular 4:3 screen again. :cheesygri Btw, this is my 1st widescreen and my 1st LCD monitor. I have always stayed away from them like the plague because of clarity, refresh, and sharpness issues. LCD monitors have truly come a long way. I'm tired of waiting for OLED... *sigh* Thus, I splurged and jumped on this deal to mainly save space on my very cluttered desk. :lol:

The monitor passed most of my informal tests with flying colours with no visible defect or imperfection. However, I discovered that there is one dead pixel near the centre of the screen that's blue. But it's so small like a pin prick that it's hard to see from the distance that it's sitting from me. You have to really look for it to see it -- and that's only on a pure black background. Other background colours don't show the dead pixel. If anymore sprouts up in the next week or so, I'm returning it for another one. They do have a 30 day exchange/refund policy on their monitor after all...

Any body have any other thoughts and opinions on this monitor? Please feel free to post your thoughts or P/M me.

Now back to admiring my new monitor... Thx again for posting this deal.

[Mongo]

Recieved my 2007WFP yesterday am,did a test with dead pixel buddy: http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Benchmarks/Dead-Pixel-Buddy.shtml
All was fine,I found the display very bright,looked to see if my outline was burnt into the wall 2 meters away.
Will take a little while getting used to this display and all the extra room on my desk once I heaved the 21" Trinitron off of it.

[coopaloop]

I Just returned my LG (LG L204WT) back to Future Shop on the (13th day)...recieved this beauty (Dell 2007wpf) on Monday....

So far no complaints...A1 monitor...LOVE IT!!

Here's a link below to a site with FREE Widescreen Wallpapers....(love the Vancouver at night one)...

http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/

[optimum]

I Just returned my LG (LG L204WT) back to Future Shop on the (13th day)...recieved this beauty (Dell 2007wpf) on Monday....

So far no complaints...A1 monitor...LOVE IT!!

Here's a link below to a site with FREE Widescreen Wallpapers....(love the Vancouver at night one)...

http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/
Why did you return it?

[coopaloop]

Why did I return it!!...Good Question!!!
I don't know!!! I guess I wanted to take advantage of the 14 day money back policy that the FS offers.
Either way there both nice monitors..I wouldn't fault anybody for saving $30 on the LG

[xla4life]

I used my company's DELL EPP discount to save another 5%. Originally, they said that EPP did not apply on top of Dell Days promotions, but since there was no proper documentation on that, they honoured the epp discount.

So I got the 2007WFP for $380!

Can't wait to get it!!!!!

[optimum]

Why did I return it!!...Good Question!!!
I don't know!!! I guess I wanted to take advantage of the 14 day money back policy that the FS offers.
Either way there both nice monitors..I wouldn't fault anybody for saving $30 on the LG
Hmm I'm not sure that was a good decision

[Majoram]

Should be getting mine today...but probably will have to pick it up at Puro-bloody-later depot after 7pm.

Why do they always deliver when you aren't home!! Don't they know ppl work? Sigh..

Even tried calling them REALLY early to get them to just keep it at the depot and I pick it up at work but apparently they load the trucks at 1am!

Ah well...

[iJarret]

TRACKING DETAILS

PIN DEL30692333
Status On vehicle for delivery
Date/Time AUGUST 2, 2006 AT 07:41
Depot EDMONTON (SOUTH/SUD), AB
Tracking Phone # 1 888 SHIP-123 or 1-888-744-7123

Swwweet.

[Rover]

I also love my 2007wfp! (Rev A02) I was skeptical at first about going widescreen, cause I do no multitasking at all and mainly only surf the web and play games. However, this monitor is awesome. Surfing the web (full screen) is sweet on this thing, especially reading forums as most of them use the entire screen. Pictures also look great on these. The colour reproduction is great and I haven't seen vibrant colours like these on my pictures on any of my previous monitors. The font isn't too small, which was one of my initial concerns and is totally readable and sharp and clear.

I plan to get a 360 later on to hook up to this thing and I can only imagine how sweet it'll look. I tried my ps2 for fun to see what it looked like and it wasn't a pretty site. Due to the high resolution of this monitor, the ps2 just looked like a blurry mess. (kept in a 4:3 ratio, but set to fill the screen). If you set it to a 1:1 pixel setting, then it's clear, but then the picture is only a very small box in the middle of the monitor with the rest of the screen being black.

Overall, I'm very impressed with this monitor and could never go back to a 4:3 screen now. I'm now a firm believer of the widescreen monitors. :cheesygri

[heinz256]

Just got mine. Rev02, made in mexico, S-IPS. :)

[m4tt]

Just got mine. Haven't even installed my 9800PRO and it looks pretty good w/ my Geforce2MX/VGA.

Can't wait to install the 9800PRO and go DVI.

I don't know how I've gone so long without WS

[DanTou]

I'm still wondering why they sometime call my new monitor 2407-FPW and sometimes 2407-WFP.

In any case, this is a really nice monitor with no dead pixel.

Works fine with my Radeon 9200. Had problems at first, but works fine now that I have disabled the VGA output of the card. I guess the card couldn't keep up.

On the bad side, I now can see the badly designed and well designed web pages.

The badly designed don't stretch horizontally, so I don't see much more info.

By the way, I tried Diablo II wondering what the monitor would do with a 800x600 resolution: it just stretches it; it looks very good.

WMVHD and 1080p trailers at apple.com look awesome!

[optimum]

I'm still wondering why they sometime call my new monitor 2407-FPW and sometimes 2407-WFP.

In any case, this is a really nice monitor with no dead pixel.

Works fine with my Radeon 9200. Had problems at first, but works fine now that I have disabled the VGA output of the card. I guess the card couldn't keep up.

On the bad side, I now can see the badly designed and well designed web pages.

The badly designed don't stretch horizontally, so I don't see much more info.

By the way, I tried Diablo II wondering what the monitor would do with a 800x600 resolution: it just stretches it; it looks very good.

WMVHD and 1080p trailers at apple.com look awesome!

jeez, upgrade that card buddy, your monitor is overkill

[Rover]

On the bad side, I now can see the badly designed and well designed web pages.

I agree. I have the 2007wfp and I love it for forums as it fills the entire screen. Don't mind sites that don't fill the screen, but centre the page. However, sites that left align suck. :mad:

[DanTou]

Well, just bought a house, got all the walls down, re-insulated, new walls, new electricity, new plumbing, still haven't painted yet. I'm camping!

Over that, I bought the monitor, the Harmony remote and a UPS from Dell. Plus a DVD burner from Costco.

All of that since may...

If I upgrade my video card, I will buy a PCIE... Which means, change the motherboard, the CPU (a Core 2 DUO for sure) + memory. And my HD is 90% full.

Have to have priorities! Can you believe I'm out of money? ;)

[Majoram]

Finally got my 2007WFP and it's beautiful!!!!! Zero dead pixels! :cheesygri :cheesygri :cheesygri :cheesygri :cheesygri

[MrDisco]

recieved mine yesterday. i dont think it can extend as high as the 2005fpw can.

[cheukiecfu]

just wondering.. what should i check for with my new 2007 monitor?
is there any common issues with this model?

[xla4life]

Just got mine!!!! SWEEEET monitor!

Sigh... I think my video card sucks.

[Awryter]

Got my monitor yesterday and found a discoloration or blotch near the centre of the screen. Seems likely a manufacturing fault, like the LCD was pressed on too hard for too long. I called tech support tonight and they are going to overnight me another one on Tuesday, so I should get it Wednesday (the following Monday if Purolator is as incompetent as they were with my first delivery).

The monitor itself though looks amazing. Well designed with a clear picture and magnificent contrast for an LCD. My only quibble so far is that the screen itself is not secure in its housing and moves around when cleaning the screen.

I hope I don't have to return the next one. What a pain!

[KidA]

I just noticed something a bit odd on my 2007wfp and i'm wondering if anyone else has this problem.
There's a black line between the bezel and the screen around all four sides of the screen so that the image doesn't actually touch the bezel. Consequently, when i expand a window to full screen, a little bit of each edge disappears.
Is this normal and are other people seeing this as well?

[jozero]

Got my 2407 after running around with Puralator. The head office will take a special message ('my buzzer doesn't work so please call me'), but in fact apparently no driver has a cell phone - so they can't pass on the message. I believe there was a Sienfeld car rental skit like that.

Mine doesn't appear to have the vertical banding issue that people are flipping out over on various tech forumsin any severe degree, which is nice. And I cannot see any dead pixels.

However I've noticed a few things (I am coming from a 20" Apple Cinema) :
- despite showing it can be done in its manual, I can not get PIP to work with VGA while I use the DVI connector. I hoped I could use my little tv 'cable to vga' converter
- the entire thing tilts towards the right, so the right is .5 cm lower than the left. I will call about this.
- its slightly brighter on the left than the right.

I would say the 24" hits a nice sweet spot. From a 20" it goes from this is a great computer monitor, to this is a great computer monitor plus the size is damn fine for DVDs as well.

[warthunder2k]

Got mine as well, it's really awesome, with no dead pixels!

[CHINAdeals]

so after a day of thinking..i've decided to get hte 24 inch..

hrm

looks like i'm two weeks late :S

anyone in gta will to part out with theirs? :S

[amardeepsingh]

so after a day of thinking..i've decided to get hte 24 inch..

hrm

looks like i'm two weeks late :S

anyone in gta will to part out with theirs? :S
I was in the same boat as you. I chickened out last minute when it was on sale, but decided i wanted one on tuesday. I called up on wednesday and bargained the sales rep down to $769 which i believe is the same price it was on sale for. I told him that I wanted to get it on the days of deals for 769, but I missed out. He "talked to his supervisor" and offered it for 799. I turned him down mentioning it was on for 799 the day before (dell tuesday report) and that it was too much for me. He "talked to his supervisor" again an offered $779. I got his info and tol him i would think about it and call back. He prompted that he would "Check if his computer would take 769", which of course it did. It should be shipping out today. Can't wait!

[silentvois69]

Just a quick question, how long did you guys have to wait for Dell to ship you an LCD monitor? I'm thinking of ordering a 2007FPW, most items on dell site says 1-2 weeks... I really wouldn't wanna wait that long...

[xla4life]

I got mine in about 5 business days

[heinz256]

mine was also around 5 days..It really depends on you location cuz i think they ship them from texas to Toronto then to the cities in Canada