Police hope deadly crash video acts as deterrent

[kinggori]

Please stop putting everyone's life in danger >:(

http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20060825% 2fmotorcycle_crash_060825&feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&showbyline=True

[fireguy9]

pretty tough to convince alot of the idiots on crotch rockets who many are inexperienced riders with machines too powerful.

Had to clean a few of those scenes up at work!!!

[UrbanPoet]

I hope they put more of these idiots behind bars.
But this isnt a very scary Deterrent. Itd be better if they showed the cycylist body turned into mush when he smashed through another car @ 185kmph... and the innnocent man he killed smashed up.
including all the children, and grand children he left behind....

[fireguy9]

seeing the aftermath can freak people out but could also make them realize the dangers

[eelfliw]

Wow! RC51. That's a wheelie machine.

But riding without gloves in the middle of winter (and popping wheelies in sub-zero temps when there's very little grip) is just plain stupid.

Now.... why does the reporter need to mention that the rider is a "refugee claimant from Hungary"??? Is this to help viewers stereotype stupidity? What does that have to do with stupidity? If the rider was a middle-income class bloke from England who came to Canada 37 years ago, would the reporter mention it?

Edit --> The reporter's a bigger idiot than the rider.

[north77]

At 29, that racer should know better.
Freaky video capturing the last moments tho. :(

There are too many inncent people getting hurt or killed by these thoughtless, and selfish individuals.

[bottomfeeder]

Too bad for the 63 year old woman that was killed.

Personally I dont care about the biker

[north77]

Wow! RC51. That's a wheelie machine.

But riding without gloves in the middle of winter (and popping wheelies in sub-zero temps when there's very little grip) is just plain stupid.

Now.... why does the reporter need to mention that the rider is a "refugee claimant from Hungary"??? Is this to help viewers stereotype stupidity? What does that have to do with stupidity? If the rider was a middle-income class bloke from England who came to Canada 37 years ago, would the reporter mention it?

Maybe to illustrate the fact that the guy was FOB and didn't know any better? :confused:

[Rometiklan]

This video might be enough to encourage a few people to rethink their tendency to speed, but seriously, for the hardcore street racers, this video isn't going to do a damn thing. These people race and continually put their lives in danger because it's in their blood. It is an adrenaline rush that only speed racing can provide. They don't give a damn about the innocent lives they put in jeopardy...it's all part of the thrill. The police aren't dumb. They know this video won't stop the hardcore racers, but maybe if it stops a few of the weekend wannabes, the video would have served a purpose.

[broc]

I have no sympathy for people who shoot around the streets at 180 KPH with no regard for anyone- even themselves. You wiped out and died? One less idiot on the streets to kill others.

[Thai]

I used to ride. And I'll admit we've done some crazy stuff as well. But there's a limit and at least with my group of friends, we refrained from putting the public at risk.

Those guys in the video were over their heads. Just a bunch of inexperienced squids that unfortunately had to take the life of an innocent person because of their lack of judgement and experience.

I gotta tell ya, the GTA is littered with squids.

[curtis]

Clearly, the bigger idiot is dead. I feel bad for his family that they had such a ******** kid. Gabor Werkmann


Wow! RC51. That's a wheelie machine.

But riding without gloves in the middle of winter (and popping wheelies in sub-zero temps when there's very little grip) is just plain stupid.

Now.... why does the reporter need to mention that the rider is a "refugee claimant from Hungary"??? Is this to help viewers stereotype stupidity? What does that have to do with stupidity? If the rider was a middle-income class bloke from England who came to Canada 37 years ago, would the reporter mention it?

Edit --> The reporter's a bigger idiot than the rider.

[Andro]

it's no surprise that ppl on those bikes go over 200km/h sometimes close to 300km/h........

[sixer]

This is why vehicles should all be governed at 140km/h except for emergency vehicles. No need to go faster, especially on a bike!

BUT, the funny thing is most of the people that replied to this thread calling this guy an idiot for going so fast would probably oppose this rule. Or so I'm guessing. Let me know.

Would you suppot all vehicles being governed at 140km/h?

[chickenbones]

Wow! RC51. That's a wheelie machine.

But riding without gloves in the middle of winter (and popping wheelies in sub-zero temps when there's very little grip) is just plain stupid.

Now.... why does the reporter need to mention that the rider is a "refugee claimant from Hungary"??? Is this to help viewers stereotype stupidity? What does that have to do with stupidity? If the rider was a middle-income class bloke from England who came to Canada 37 years ago, would the reporter mention it?

Edit --> The reporter's a bigger idiot than the rider.



No it just shows our stupid refugee system. What counts as a refugee? In my mind it's if you need absolute help in order to live. He didn't seem like that type to me riding this bike that a lot of people can't afford to maintain (insurance and what not).

[module]

Is it me, or did it look like he went over a few pot holes and that caused his lost of control behind the wheel?


Also, I dont think any of the people who are just as ignorant as him will be watching this exact video at exactly the time it was showed. Too bad.

[eelfliw]

Is it me, or did it look like he went over a few pot holes and that caused his lost of control behind the wheel?
It was a bump (pothole) induce tank slapper. The RC51's geometry is already pretty radical. And if he modified it in any way to speed up steering, then it can be downright dangerous on streets.

[Thai]

It was a bump (pothole) induce tank slapper. The RC51's geometry is already pretty radical. And if he modified it in any way to speed up steering, then it can be downright dangerous on streets.
Tank slapper yes. "Modifed to increase steering", No.

What would've saved him is if he had a steering damper on it. The older 51's didn't but the newer ones do. Even so, factory dampers only do so much.

For motorcycles, you don't modify anything to "speed up steering". It's all rider input for that. ie. leaning the bike.

[Nyte]

This is why vehicles should all be governed at 140km/h except for emergency vehicles. No need to go faster, especially on a bike!

BUT, the funny thing is most of the people that replied to this thread calling this guy an idiot for going so fast would probably oppose this rule. Or so I'm guessing. Let me know.

Would you suppot all vehicles being governed at 140km/h?

And for people who want race, whats to stop them from removing this governor.

[Thai]

This is why vehicles should all be governed at 140km/h except for emergency vehicles. No need to go faster, especially on a bike!

BUT, the funny thing is most of the people that replied to this thread calling this guy an idiot for going so fast would probably oppose this rule. Or so I'm guessing. Let me know.

Would you suppot all vehicles being governed at 140km/h?
I'm guessing you're the type of driver that dangerously holds up traffic on the 401 doing EXACTLY 100.00 km/h.

Governors will only limit those willing to not exceed that. Everyone else just bypasses it. Very easy to do.

My one friend's heavily modified Hayabusa is bypassed. It'll do 340km/h. Yep.

[Little Evil]

All this video shows are the poor road conditions they chose to race on. This will deter nothing.

[Little Evil]

That video is gonna make people want to buy a motorcycle.

"man, look how fast the speedo climbed on that thing! ima go get my m license"

If you wanna deter street racing, then actually show a video of street racing, not people screwing around. And show some GORE that will imprint into your memory.

[Emancipated]

Crotch rockets and after market retailors are all collectively guilty of promoting this type of behavior. There's no accountability on their part?

Do we really need 300hp vehicles on the public roads? What we need are better and smarter cars that dictate our driving style. I can't wait for the day when we have automated cars shuttling people to and from where we need to be. People LOVE to speed regardless of what kind of sh1tbox they may be driving. This type of stupidity is contageous.

[fireguy9]

Governors will only limit those willing to not exceed that. Everyone else just bypasses it. Very easy to do.

My one friend's heavily modified Hayabusa is bypassed. It'll do 340km/h. Yep.


most of the crotch rockets dont need bypassing to do those speeds!!!! I had a zrx1100 that easily did 300km/h that was stock except for exhaust.

One thing that should be done is there should be a cc limit on type of bikes for new riders until experienced

[Thai]

most of the crotch rockets dont need bypassing to do those speeds!!!! I had a zrx1100 that easily did 300km/h that was stock except for exhaust.

One thing that should be done is there should be a cc limit on type of bikes for new riders until experienced
I know. Was just stating that governors were pointless. My '99 6R buried the needle at >290 km/h. And that was just a 600cc. lol.

And I'm on a couple sportbike forums too. We all rave about a tiered system for new riders.

Oh, and if you wanna see gruesome motorcycle related images.....

http://www.flurl.com/list.php?search=motorcycle&site_id=39&sm=1

[inferno_gn]

Hi there,

No, I say, if they get caught, their car get taken away and crush or destory, period!

Ju Leon...

[rb]

Feel bad for the people he smadhed into not the jerk on the bike , his friends should be found and prosecuted

[Alvito]

This is why vehicles should all be governed at 140km/h except for emergency vehicles. No need to go faster, especially on a bike!

BUT, the funny thing is most of the people that replied to this thread calling this guy an idiot for going so fast would probably oppose this rule. Or so I'm guessing. Let me know.

Would you suppot all vehicles being governed at 140km/h?

why 140? make it 100, you never need to go over 100 anyway. that would be breaking the speed limit.


I'm guessing you're the type of driver that dangerously holds up traffic on the 401 doing EXACTLY 100.00 km/h.

Governors will only limit those willing to not exceed that. Everyone else just bypasses it. Very easy to do.

My one friend's heavily modified Hayabusa is bypassed. It'll do 340km/h. Yep.

if everyone is doing 100km/h how can it be dangerous?

[Icerian]

i've been told that if TPS suspects you of street racing (and i'm assuming has sufficient evidence) the vehicle you were driving gets impounded for a minimum of one year (which is a hefty amount of cash ~$18k). i don't know if this is actually true or not, but anytime i approach ~110km/h on the freeway i start shitting my pants.

as a side note, i'm not a speeder! being under 25 and male is crazy on insurance. as a result, i'm a third party driver on my parent's policy. their agreement with me was that any speeding infraction = i'm on my own for insurrance (as in i will have to setup my own policy). right now for insurance i pay about $600 for the year, when i quoted my ghetto corolla some time ago, it was some outrageous figure which i could buy a used car with every year.

and watching videos like this usually deters for the first five or ten minutes. once you forget what you saw, you're back doing it again. making extremly high fines would do a little better imho

[inferno_gn]

Hi there,

I would have just crush the those racing car if they got caught and turn into scrap, that's what they should do. Fines and all that don't stop them, you got to hit them where it hurts, which it's the car itself.

Ju Leon...

[JetHeller]

I really disagree how society (especially law enforcement) deals with these situations. If ONE guy is an idiot, they see EVERYONE as an idiot. So the people that actualy ride bikes responsibly and exhibit a lot of control and good judgement still have to be treated like "dangerous idiots" in the eyes of the law.

Insurance goes up, and more restrictions are put in place.

The stupid monkeys always fall off the trees no matter how safe you make it for them. That's life. It wouldn't make sence to make it illegal for all monkeys to climb a tree.

[bmwmini]

Edit --> The reporter's a bigger idiot than the rider.

The rider killed an innocent man. Is the reporter still a bigger idiot? Get your head on straight, mate.

[eelfliw]

The rider killed an innocent man. Is the reporter still a bigger idiot? Get your head on straight, mate.
The rider killed an innocent man. The reporter's loaded message can be considered profiling and hurtful to many Hungarians and refugees. If you wonder why there're so much intolerance in our society, you can start by asking why the reporter need to include racial and immigration status info in an auto accident report. The rider's lack of riding skills and general stupidity has nothing to do with his nationality or immigration status.

Take the recent racing incident, for example, where 2 autos racing on Mt. Pleasant Rd killed a cab driver. Was there any mention of the 2 kids' race & immigration status in the early reports? This info may have came out later in the more detailed analysis. But not earlier reports. Why then, does the reporter need to mention the word Hungarian & refugee?

[x86asm]

I hate the fact that I have to use IE6 just to view the video.

[bmwmini]

The rider killed an innocent man. The reporter's loaded message can be considered profiling and hurtful to many Hungarians and refugees. If you wonder why there're so much intolerance in our society, you can start by asking why the reporter need to include racial and immigration status info in an auto accident report. The rider's lack of riding skills and general stupidity has nothing to do with his nationality or immigration status.

Take the recent racing incident, for example, where 2 autos racing on Mt. Pleasant Rd killed a cab driver. Was there any mention of the 2 kids' race & immigration status in the early reports? This info may have came out later in the more detailed analysis. But not earlier reports. Why then, does the reporter need to mention the word Hungarian & refugee?

You have issues if you think someone who has committed manslaughter is more of an idiot than someone who in your opinion is intolerant of immigrants because he was paid to read a script written by his superiors.

[mart242]

The idiot deserved what he got.

If you want to speed, fine, go on an empty road when it's safe: sunny, dry, no one on the road or houses nearby. I had a sportbike back in the days, I was speeding quite a bit but I'd never weave in / out of traffic like that, do wheelies or some other stupid crap. It's way to easy to either die or injur someone else with one of these.

[YnD]

Who cares, his negligence killed an innoncent driver. He's a murderer.



The rider killed an innocent man. The reporter's loaded message can be considered profiling and hurtful to many Hungarians and refugees. If you wonder why there're so much intolerance in our society, you can start by asking why the reporter need to include racial and immigration status info in an auto accident report. The rider's lack of riding skills and general stupidity has nothing to do with his nationality or immigration status.

Take the recent racing incident, for example, where 2 autos racing on Mt. Pleasant Rd killed a cab driver. Was there any mention of the 2 kids' race & immigration status in the early reports? This info may have came out later in the more detailed analysis. But not earlier reports. Why then, does the reporter need to mention the word Hungarian & refugee?

[UrbanPoet]

dude. Teh hungarian immigrant killed a guy.
KILLED A GUY IN COLD BLOOD!
smashed a bike into their poor lilo body.

[kinggori]

The rider killed an innocent man. The reporter's loaded message can be considered profiling and hurtful to many Hungarians and refugees. If you wonder why there're so much intolerance in our society, you can start by asking why the reporter need to include racial and immigration status info in an auto accident report. The rider's lack of riding skills and general stupidity has nothing to do with his nationality or immigration status.

Take the recent racing incident, for example, where 2 autos racing on Mt. Pleasant Rd killed a cab driver. Was there any mention of the 2 kids' race & immigration status in the early reports? This info may have came out later in the more detailed analysis. But not earlier reports. Why then, does the reporter need to mention the word Hungarian & refugee?

Some innocent person was killed by the motorcyclist for no reason. It’s very obvious the motorcyclist was mistaken

I agree that maybe they shouldn’t have mentioned he’s a Hungarian immigrant coz this has nothing to do with the subject of one person driving like crazy and killing an innocent person and himself.

[bmwmini]

I think we've all established that eelfliw's logic resembles that of a teenaged boy. In time, he will learn the difference between murder and scripted speech :)

[SLOGAN]

if everyone is doing 100km/h how can it be dangerous?

Speed isn't always a factor. Police will argue that statistically it is, and I'm not doubting that it isn't a huge factor, but we have to take into consideration the crazy Hungarian immigrants riding around as well.

Some people can't drive, simple as that.

About the Hungarian thing, it was uncalled for. The news influence how people think about things and when you mention something so irrelevant as where he immigrated from, people take it seriously.

And another thing, everytime someone gets killed senselessly (IE. Street racing) we want to hang the person(s). But when someone gets intentionally shot by some gun toting @sshole, nobody says a word. I know the risks when I drive, it's the most dangerous thing you can do. People are still surprised when someone gets killed.

[thelefteyeguy]

this video did nothing...this past week was full of racing accidents / deaths on the news. :|

most ironic was yesterday when 2 (oops edit...toronto citizens...with quebec plates) cyclist decided it would be fun to pull wheels on the gardiner...guess it didnt go to well

[SLOGAN]

Racing has such a negative connotation.

Realistically they weren't "racing", they were speeding.

[bottomfeeder]

Another idiot dies on a motorcycle

Motorbike stunt kills rider
Aug. 28, 2006. 07:35 AM

A 31-year-old Toronto man is dead after crashing while performing wheelies on the Gardiner Expressway Sunday night.

The man, identified as Elvis Rojas, was popping wheelies with his motorcycle just before the crash happened, police said.

"The driver accelerated very rapidly but also performed a wheelie in which the front end comes up and the motorcycle goes along on the rear wheel," Det. Wally Watts said. "Each time, he would increase the speed of the motorcycle and at about Old Fort York, he did his final wheelie and the motorcycle flipped on top of him. It continued to slide."

The motorcycle went into the guardrail near Bathurst St. around 7:30 p.m.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1156759388307&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154&t=TS_Home

[eelfliw]

You have issues if you think someone who has committed manslaughter is more of an idiot than someone who in your opinion is intolerant of immigrants because he was paid to read a script written by his superiors.
Do you have any proof that the reporter used a script written by his superiors? Or are you lying?

[eelfliw]

I think we've all established that eelfliw's logic resembles that of a teenaged boy. In time, he will learn the difference between murder and scripted speech :)
Sigh.... name calling starts when you can't refute my arguments. Besides, unless you've proof that the reporter is using a script provided by his superiors, you are lying.

[bmwmini]

Sigh.... name calling starts when you can't refute my arguments. Besides, unless you've proof that the reporter is using a script provided by his superiors, you are lying.

1. That wasn't a name call, it represents your logic.
2. You still think murder is less of a crime than someone's words.
3. I hope you don't work in the education system in the future, because I want my kids safe.

[PQpine413]

absolutely no regards for others' lives....therefore..you pay with your own :mad:

[eelfliw]

1. That wasn't a name call, it represents your logic.
2. You still think murder is less of a crime than someone's words.
3. I hope you don't work in the education system in the future, because I want my kids safe.
Don't try to avoid my question. Show me that you didn't lie in your reply.

Show me some proof that the reporter read a script written by their superior instead of creating their own report.

If you lied on a public forum in order to support your opinion, your opinion is worthless. And you are a liar. And I hope you don't work in the education system too. Nor for any organization that may come in contact with the public.

As for murder.... a few innocent ppl dies - there's no intent either. But if one were to spread lie and/or direct the public to develop hatred for a specific stereotype group, that can do a lot more damage.