Would you become a vegan?

[B40]

To avoid itis?

[CanadaBoy]

Yes, just to avoid the

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[B40]

"During the summer before my last semester in college (1993), I became a lacto-ovo vegetarian, and I noticed a decent boost in my energy and especially in my ability to concentrate. Four years later (1997) I became a complete vegan (no animal products at all), and I've been one ever since, and this yielded an even bigger boost.

What you eat can have a profound effect on your productivity. Animal products take significantly more time and energy to digest than plant foods, and when your body must divert extra energy to digestion, it means you have less energy available for productive mental work. Effectively your work will seem harder while you're digesting meals containing animal products, and you'll be more inclined to succumb to distractions. So if you find yourself having a hard time focusing on mentally intense work after lunch, your diet may very well be the culprit. Even Benjamin Franklin credited eating lightly at lunch time as being a significant factor in his productivity. He claimed while his colleagues were sluggish and sleepy, he could continue to work productively the rest of the day. "

[CanadaBoy]

"During the summer before my last semester in college (1993), I became a lacto-ovo vegetarian, and I noticed a decent boost in my energy and especially in my ability to concentrate. Four years later (1997) I became a complete vegan (no animal products at all), and I've been one ever since, and this yielded an even bigger boost.

What you eat can have a profound effect on your productivity. Animal products take significantly more time and energy to digest than plant foods, and when your body must divert extra energy to digestion, it means you have less energy available for productive mental work. Effectively your work will seem harder while you're digesting meals containing animal products, and you'll be more inclined to succumb to distractions. So if you find yourself having a hard time focusing on mentally intense work after lunch, your diet may very well be the culprit. Even Benjamin Franklin credited eating lightly at lunch time as being a significant factor in his productivity. He claimed while his colleagues were sluggish and sleepy, he could continue to work productively the rest of the day. "

Good :idea: but it is really hard to avoid meat

[DualSoul]

Meat is too delicious, so no.

[purple_rabbit]

Haha B40 that quote in your sig his f*ckin hillarious! What thread is that?

[Bortman]

No.

[Yaowsers]

No. I love food too much and there is nothing wrong with itis. Who doesn't like sleep?

[steve.m]

b40 :lol: Won't eat meat but he will "take" meat.

[ji2o0k]

b40 :lol: Won't eat meat but he will "take" meat.
you are wrong, B40 would eat meat but he prefers to "swallow" meat

[bionicbadger]

"
What you eat can have a profound effect on your productivity. Animal products take significantly more time and energy to digest than plant foods, and when your body must divert extra energy to digestion, it means you have less energy available for productive mental work. "

What about the fact that meat has way more energy than plant matter? You have to eat 10 bowls of veggie flakes to get the energy you could get from a small steak.

You'd have to pay me a huge amount of money to even consider becoming a veggie for year or more.

And many of these people who say no animal products at all still have leather couches, belts, shoes, gloves, car interiors, etc.

[ullyeus]

I've become borderline close to being a vegeterian once or twice, I just don't eat a tonne of meat. A vegan though? imo thats quite unhealthy and silly.

[konfusion666]

And many of these people who say no animal products at all still have leather couches, belts, shoes, gloves, car interiors, etc.

irrelevant - your DIET has nothing to do with what "material goods" you have.

once again - confusing 2 completely separate issues.

[bionicbadger]

irrelevant - your DIET has nothing to do with what "material goods" you have.

once again - confusing 2 completely separate issues.

But MANY vegans use the excuse that they don't want to harm animals, or that its somehow better for the environment, so it isn't irrelevant.

[entity]

i dont see anything wrong with becoming vegan but make sure you have nutritional balance.
(i personally tried going vegetarian for ~ 4 months but at the end, gave up)
my dad who's vegetarian (but drinks milk, will eat cheese etc) also happens to have very low Vitamin B12 levels which I believe meats are high in. so now he has to take supplementary pills (this is my understanding of it so far)..
so to those going that route, make sure that your energy (especially protein and vitamin) content of your diet remains healthy

[entity]

But MANY vegans use the excuse that they don't want to harm animals, or that its somehow better for the environment, so it isn't irrelevant.
i dont see how being vegetarian is good for the environment, considering the earth has had carnivorous animals before and species have survived ... havent heard of any negative effects on environment in that sense.. the part of the 'not wanting to harm animals' i can understand

[bumbum]

Meat is too delicious, so no.
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[konfusion666]

i dont see how being vegetarian is good for the environment, considering the earth has had carnivorous animals before and species have survived ... havent heard of any negative effects on environment in that sense.. the part of the 'not wanting to harm animals' i can understand

well, humans don't eat meat the same way that "carnivorous animals" do ... we no longer live in a Hunter/Gatherer society ;)
unless you are part of a small minority of Inuit...

i am sure that there is a significant impact to the environment caused by the modern meat/fish/poultry industry. which is what people would be referring to, in this case.

[aspiringnovelist]

"During the summer before my last semester in college (1993), I became a lacto-ovo vegetarian, and I noticed a decent boost in my energy and especially in my ability to concentrate. Four years later (1997) I became a complete vegan (no animal products at all), and I've been one ever since, and this yielded an even bigger boost.

What you eat can have a profound effect on your productivity. Animal products take significantly more time and energy to digest than plant foods, and when your body must divert extra energy to digestion, it means you have less energy available for productive mental work. Effectively your work will seem harder while you're digesting meals containing animal products, and you'll be more inclined to succumb to distractions. So if you find yourself having a hard time focusing on mentally intense work after lunch, your diet may very well be the culprit. Even Benjamin Franklin credited eating lightly at lunch time as being a significant factor in his productivity. He claimed while his colleagues were sluggish and sleepy, he could continue to work productively the rest of the day. "

Quoting Steve Pavlina I see. Why not take another of his recommendations and read "Diet for a New World" by John Robbins. Or another of his suggestions and try it yourself for a 30-day trial period?

Personally, I eat some meat but not a lot. And usually only when I'm out at a restaurant and there's no real good alternatives. Like at dim sum. Don't eat dairy or eggs at home either. Except the occasional bowl of ice cream. =)

I don't crave meat, and I don't think there's many health problems that you would encounter. Vitamin B12 deficiency someone mentioned before, but that's about it.

Would I become vegan? I don't think there's anything wrong with it, but to me, the trouble is not worth it. To examine every thing you put in your mouth to make sure there is no gelatin in it, or some kind of animal based preservatives, or whatever. I can't be bothered. I think being 90% vegan can be accomplished very easily, and has 90% of the economic benefits. So that's good enough for me.

[Bortman]

I have to say something. I've already replied with "no" that I'd not become a vegan. I have nothing but the utmost respect for people who can actually become a vegan. But I will argue specific points with them.

Assuming your not some religious fanatic that believes in creationism, we know that "man" in all forms have been around for millions of years. For millions of years, many changes from evolution, man has eaten meat. Man was considered hunter/gatherer until very recent times (recent meaning last few thousand years out of the millions we've been around). Man was meant to eat meat and plant, not just plant and not just meat.
It's the truth and you cannot deny it. You may call it a carnal urge to eat meat, but there's a reason behind it and you shouldn't deny it.

Like I said, good on the vegans who actually do it and survive well. I'd never do it.

[B40]

Quoting Steve Pavlina I see. Why not take another of his recommendations and read "Diet for a New World" by John Robbins. Or another of his suggestions and try it yourself for a 30-day trial period?

Personally, I eat some meat but not a lot. And usually only when I'm out at a restaurant and there's no real good alternatives. Like at dim sum. Don't eat dairy or eggs at home either. Except the occasional bowl of ice cream. =)

I don't crave meat, and I don't think there's many health problems that you would encounter. Vitamin B12 deficiency someone mentioned before, but that's about it.

Would I become vegan? I don't think there's anything wrong with it, but to me, the trouble is not worth it. To examine every thing you put in your mouth to make sure there is no gelatin in it, or some kind of animal based preservatives, or whatever. I can't be bothered. I think being 90% vegan can be accomplished very easily, and has 90% of the economic benefits. So that's good enough for me.

No I don't think I could try it for 30 days or even 1 day.. I just love meat. I workout regularly too, so I need protein and meat is the easiest way for me to get it.

I have cut down on my meat though and tried to eat a more balanced diet lately, and I do feel healthier, less itis...

[konfusion666]

ok, what is itis?

[B40]

ok, what is itis?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=itis

[konfusion666]

i'm at work, doesn't UD have pr0n ads? :|

[B40]

i'm at work, doesn't UD have pr0n ads? :|

No :twisted:

[mattpiloto]

If someone wants to be a vegan, that's good for them, but I'm not gonna do it. Not only is meat delicious, it's also good for you (in moderation).

[hyperion]

No thanks!

[aspiringnovelist]

No I don't think I could try it for 30 days or even 1 day.. I just love meat. I workout regularly too, so I need protein and meat is the easiest way for me to get it.
Beans are a good way to get plenty of protein in your diet without resorting to meat. Probably easier too, if you are cooking for yourself. If you cook beans, just open up a can and have at it. If you're cooking meat, you gotta prepare it, cook it, etc etc.

As for loving the taste of meat, according to a guy called Neal Barnard, meat (and cheese and sugar and chocolate) produces an opiate effect on the brain. So in effect, you are actually addicted to it, the same as you would be addicted to opium. But don't eat it for a month, and you'll lose the addiction. I haven't really seen any other studies out there supporting his findings though, so I'm not sure how reliable this one guy is. It makes sense to me though. So many people feel that they must have meat all the time, but once they stop eating it all the time, they stop craving it.

[Blunt]

I'll become vegan when all the other animals are extinct.

[aspiringnovelist]

Assuming your not some religious fanatic that believes in creationism, we know that "man" in all forms have been around for millions of years. For millions of years, many changes from evolution, man has eaten meat. Man was considered hunter/gatherer until very recent times (recent meaning last few thousand years out of the millions we've been around). Man was meant to eat meat and plant, not just plant and not just meat.
It's the truth and you cannot deny it. You may call it a carnal urge to eat meat, but there's a reason behind it and you shouldn't deny it.

It's true that man has eaten meat for quite awhile now. Back a million or so years ago, it was the most efficient source of calories. If you didn't eat meat, you might starve.

But can't we change as circumstances change? It's the same as the reason why we love salty things, oily things, and sweet things so much. Efficient source of calories, so we must eat as much as possible, because who knows where our next meal will come from? Except if you do that today....you'll become 500 pounds. Not good.

Similarly with meat, there are plenty of studies showing that vegetarians tend to be healthier than non-vegetarians. And there is certainly no shortage of non-meat food to buy at the supermarket. So if we can be healthier, yet still not starve, shouldn't we go for that option? Even if it means flying in the face of a million years of tradition?

[aspiringnovelist]

i dont see how being vegetarian is good for the environment, considering the earth has had carnivorous animals before and species have survived ... havent heard of any negative effects on environment in that sense.. the part of the 'not wanting to harm animals' i can understand
It's kind of funny that I'm defending vegetarianism, even though I'm not really vegetarian.

But environmental effect, there's plenty. Somewhere between half and a third of all grain produced in the world is used to feed animals raised for meat. That could feed a lot of people. One pound of beef requires something like 19,000 L of water to produce it. One kg of beef produces 40 kg of beef manure. Some people even say the methane released by cows farting account for a non-trivial part of global warming.

So that's just a bunch of statistics I found on the internet, how important they are and how reliable they are obviously is subject to question. But bottom line is, meat-eating does have a pretty significant environmental impact, one way or another.

[Avant_Garde]

For me going vegan just isn't an option. I'm starving student and to go vegan is much more expensive to get the calories I need and I just love the taste of meat. I have a huge appetite and in a typical day I eat 6x a day. I do a lot of sports, weight training and I'm on a varsity team so I need lots of protein. Someone mentioned beans as a good source of protein but who wants beans when you can have steak?

[d_jedi]

To avoid itis?
No.

[konfusion666]

aspiringnovelist, are you a lacto-ovo-veggie (like me)?

[Bortman]

It's true that man has eaten meat for quite awhile now. Back a million or so years ago, it was the most efficient source of calories. If you didn't eat meat, you might starve.

But can't we change as circumstances change? It's the same as the reason why we love salty things, oily things, and sweet things so much. Efficient source of calories, so we must eat as much as possible, because who knows where our next meal will come from? Except if you do that today....you'll become 500 pounds. Not good.

Similarly with meat, there are plenty of studies showing that vegetarians tend to be healthier than non-vegetarians. And there is certainly no shortage of non-meat food to buy at the supermarket. So if we can be healthier, yet still not starve, shouldn't we go for that option? Even if it means flying in the face of a million years of tradition?

I can see your point, but there are several other points that need to be made. We cannot deny the millions of years of evolution built into ourselves. Well you can deny it, but its not healthy.

I cannot argue that vegetarians aren't on average healthier than meat eaters, because your right, they are healthier. That fact is not just because they eat veggies, its because over all they are multitudes more health conscious. If everyone in the world became as aware of their health as a vegan, then I'd argue they'd be healthier than the vegan would be. Now obviously I have no actual scientific proof of this, but its a sound theory.

To get the right and proper amounts of the nutrients you need from eating nothing but fruits and veggies, you'd have to suplement it with vitamins. Vitamins are good yes, but your body doesn't absorb them as well as the natural nutrients. One of the bigger ones is protien. I'd rather eat a tastey piece of beef and get all my protien and iron from that than eating a 10 lbs bag of beans and a vitamin. Maybe thats just me talking, but you have to eat a lot more to get what you need as a vegan than just eating a balanced diet.

I think yes, circumstances can change, but changing an evolutionary process could take thousands of years or more. I'm not just talking about eating differently, I'm talking about our bodies ability to take what it needs just from vegetables. It won't happen over night. Perhaps in time with enough vegans about it may change. Who knows!

I do applaud all the vegans of the world, they are healthier than I. I don't want to become a vegan, I don't think I could become a vegan. Even when a baby all I wanted was meat. Its not that I can't stand the taste, because I like a lot of veggies, but my body seems to process meat easier. I tend to crave meat especially when I don't have much. Perhaps its just not enough iron, but I've been this way all of my 26 years.

[sticksbs]

I cannot argue that vegetarians aren't on average healthier than meat eaters, because your right, they are healthier. That fact is not just because they eat veggies, its because over all they are multitudes more health conscious. If everyone in the world became as aware of their health as a vegan, then I'd argue they'd be healthier than the vegan would be. Now obviously I have no actual scientific proof of this, but its a sound theory.

To get the right and proper amounts of the nutrients you need from eating nothing but fruits and veggies, you'd have to suplement it with vitamins. Vitamins are good yes, but your body doesn't absorb them as well as the natural nutrients. One of the bigger ones is protien. I'd rather eat a tastey piece of beef and get all my protien and iron from that than eating a 10 lbs bag of beans and a vitamin. Maybe thats just me talking, but you have to eat a lot more to get what you need as a vegan than just eating a balanced diet.

First you keep confusing Vegan and Vegetarians. On the whole vegetarians are considered the more healthy.

And your sound theory is completely unsound -- although again you refer to vegas and vegetarians in the quote so i don't know what you are actually referring to. But as a vegetarian myself I am NOT at all aware of what I am eating. Actually I make it a point NOT to eat low-fat, I make it a point not to eat whole-wheat, and I make it a point not to drink anything that says diet on it. About the only thing I pay attention to is making sure I'm not eating meat. My guess would be the largest population of vegetarians would be Indian's, and if you ever go to India it would become very clear that they don't pay much attention to their meals, other than the meat portion. Also part of the other problem of this discussion is not recognizing that vegetarian cultures/religion (such as Indian Hindu's) natuarally have diets and meals that build in most of the necessary vitamins needed by the body. So if you see them eating you'd notice they are healthy and not eating 10lbs of beans and popping vitamins (i've actually never seen a nutritional store in india -- actually the only gym I saw in india was one with a very very small weight room, and the a huge room for yoga).

Now if you are however referring to vegans, there are many socities in India that have religious and cultural diets that are vegan -- and generally you'll notice htey are heatlhy and not popping vitamins and stuff to survive.

I'm referring to indian's mainly cause I am an Indian and have been vegetarian for over 10 years now and realize that it's not as difficult as people make it out to be. Probably cause contrary to popular belief my diet is not just eating salads, there is a variety if you learn it.

That said, I'm considering eating meat again, lol... -- Just cause I want to put on weight and bulk (not cuase it would be healthier though.)

[Bortman]

First you keep confusing Vegan and Vegetarians. On the whole vegetarians are considered the more healthy.

And your sound theory is completely unsound -- although again you refer to vegas and vegetarians in the quote so i don't know what you are actually referring to. But as a vegetarian myself I am NOT at all aware of what I am eating. Actually I make it a point NOT to eat low-fat, I make it a point not to eat whole-wheat, and I make it a point not to drink anything that says diet on it. About the only thing I pay attention to is making sure I'm not eating meat. My guess would be the largest population of vegetarians would be Indian's, and if you ever go to India it would become very clear that they don't pay much attention to their meals, other than the meat portion. Also part of the other problem of this discussion is not recognizing that vegetarian cultures/religion (such as Indian Hindu's) natuarally have diets and meals that build in most of the necessary vitamins needed by the body. So if you see them eating you'd notice they are healthy and not eating 10lbs of beans and popping vitamins (i've actually never seen a nutritional store in india -- actually the only gym I saw in india was one with a very very small weight room, and the a huge room for yoga).

Now if you are however referring to vegans, there are many socities in India that have religious and cultural diets that are vegan -- and generally you'll notice htey are heatlhy and not popping vitamins and stuff to survive.

I'm referring to indian's mainly cause I am an Indian and have been vegetarian for over 10 years now and realize that it's not as difficult as people make it out to be. Probably cause contrary to popular belief my diet is not just eating salads, there is a variety if you learn it.

That said, I'm considering eating meat again, lol... -- Just cause I want to put on weight and bulk (not cuase it would be healthier though.)

I realize I used the terms incorrectly, but I wrote it quickly and didn't edit for content.

You should eat meat, its good for you AND it tastes good! Glad to see you coming to my side :)

[batman321123]

smoked turkey sandwich gives me itis, but no, i would never give up meat. :razz:

[aspiringnovelist]

I can see your point, but there are several other points that need to be made. We cannot deny the millions of years of evolution built into ourselves. Well you can deny it, but its not healthy.

I cannot argue that vegetarians aren't on average healthier than meat eaters, because your right, they are healthier. That fact is not just because they eat veggies, its because over all they are multitudes more health conscious. If everyone in the world became as aware of their health as a vegan, then I'd argue they'd be healthier than the vegan would be. Now obviously I have no actual scientific proof of this, but its a sound theory.

To get the right and proper amounts of the nutrients you need from eating nothing but fruits and veggies, you'd have to suplement it with vitamins. Vitamins are good yes, but your body doesn't absorb them as well as the natural nutrients. One of the bigger ones is protien. I'd rather eat a tastey piece of beef and get all my protien and iron from that than eating a 10 lbs bag of beans and a vitamin. Maybe thats just me talking, but you have to eat a lot more to get what you need as a vegan than just eating a balanced diet.

I think yes, circumstances can change, but changing an evolutionary process could take thousands of years or more. I'm not just talking about eating differently, I'm talking about our bodies ability to take what it needs just from vegetables. It won't happen over night. Perhaps in time with enough vegans about it may change. Who knows!

I do applaud all the vegans of the world, they are healthier than I. I don't want to become a vegan, I don't think I could become a vegan. Even when a baby all I wanted was meat. Its not that I can't stand the taste, because I like a lot of veggies, but my body seems to process meat easier. I tend to crave meat especially when I don't have much. Perhaps its just not enough iron, but I've been this way all of my 26 years.
Even as a baby all you wanted was meat! lol that's pretty impressive.

It's a myth that you can't get all your nutrients from a non-meat diet. It's recommended that only 15% of your calories come from protein, and you can very easily get that from regular non-meat food, without even going out of your way to eat protein-rich food like tofu or beans. Actually, the proteins in vegetables are apparently easier to digest than the proteins in meat, because they are in a simpler format, so the body has to do less work to break them down. Don't ask me to explain any more than that, I'm no scientist!

It's awesome how after I brought up the bean thing, everybody immediately says they'd rather eat a steak than a big ol sack of beans! Hahaha. Beans are good. I've got a pot of bean and vegetable soup boiling away on the stove right now.

I do admit, Bortman, that I think there's something to your idea that vegans have a keener sense of health than meat-eaters. Often, this is what led them to become veggie in the first place. But I guess it's not universal, as sticksbs has helpfully pointed out for us.

So, any other myths I can dispel about a veggie diet?

Oh yeah, something said being a meat-eater is cheaper? I don't know where you buy your meat man, but meat is expensive! Yeah, good quality fresh fruit and veggie is not cheap either. But grain-based fooods, like bread or noodles or whatever, should be relatively cheaper. Salads are more expensive than burgers at McDonalds, yeah. But go to Subway. The veggie sub is half the cost of any of the meat ones. Sometimes I get a foot long veggie sub and it fills me more and costs the same as any six inch meat one.

and to konfusion, no, I'm not a lacto-ovo-vegetarian. In fact, I eat more animal flesh than i do dairy or eggs. I just stopped eating much meat. I used to be pretty typical, and now I probably have cut my meat consumption by 80-90%.

[jayisthebest88]

THIS THREAD HAS OPENED MY EYES!


I used to be a vegatarian but now I vow to only eat meat!

No more of that vagina crap for me....

[najibs]

you are wrong, B40 would eat meat but he prefers to "swallow" meat

B40 is a cock hawk :lol:

[Flyer]

Vegans are the most environmentally unsound people. They totally take advantage of "survival of the fittest".
Plants cannot move. They can.

[ElChico]

If i were to become a vegan, it wouldn't be because I like animals, it would be because I hate Vegetables :mad: Stupid carrot being all smug with their Vitamin B6 and beta-carotenes....

[gorf]

:lol: Funny thread.

And no I wouldn't consider becoming a vegan with all that Alberta beef around me. ( No, I'm not talking about the women.) :D

[mattpiloto]

It's awesome how after I brought up the bean thing, everybody immediately says they'd rather eat a steak than a big ol sack of beans! Hahaha. Beans are good. I've got a pot of bean and vegetable soup boiling away on the stove right now.

I'll take both please. Mmm mmm...

http://www.mcleanbeef.com/images/products/ribeye.jpg

http://www.thegutsygourmet.net/baked-beans.gif

http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/5aday/images/beans_v1.jpg

[aspiringnovelist]

Vegans are the most environmentally unsound people. They totally take advantage of "survival of the fittest".
Plants cannot move. They can.
Aha, but given the industry practices of meat production, the animals can't move either! Not to mention, what is environmentally unsound about survival of the fittest? Isn't that as environmentally sound as you could get?

[newsflash]

You should eat meat, its good for you AND it tastes good!

Typical of a meat eater to say something like that.

I'm a vegetarian and the thought of eating meat disgusts me. I know what meat taste like and I don't miss it one bit.

It's not the meat that taste good, it's the sauce and stuff that it's cooked in that makes it taste good. You can easily make a dish that's equivalently tasty without the meat and/or with a meat substitute.


have been vegetarian for over 10 years now and realize that it's not as difficult as people make it out to be. Probably cause contrary to popular belief my diet is not just eating salads, there is a variety if you learn it.

It took my mom forever to realize that making vegetarian-friendly dishes are much easier (and cheaper) than meat dishes. The only difference between my food and the rest of the family's is that mine don't have meat in it - one less ingredient to worry about!

Being a vegan is perhaps something I may try one day, but I don't foresee it lasting very long since I like my ice cream, cakes, and chocolate too much, heh.

[batman321123]

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[entity]

It's kind of funny that I'm defending vegetarianism, even though I'm not really vegetarian.

But environmental effect, there's plenty. Somewhere between half and a third of all grain produced in the world is used to feed animals raised for meat. That could feed a lot of people. One pound of beef requires something like 19,000 L of water to produce it. One kg of beef produces 40 kg of beef manure. Some people even say the methane released by cows farting account for a non-trivial part of global warming.

So that's just a bunch of statistics I found on the internet, how important they are and how reliable they are obviously is subject to question. But bottom line is, meat-eating does have a pretty significant environmental impact, one way or another.

the environmental effects are not really CAUSED by the fact that we are not vegetarian. they are probably 'caused' because as humans, we tend to do things now large-scale etc. - as with just about anything we do. nothing inherent to being a carnivore leads to bad environmental effects afaik.

[yuwing8]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BjI89GqjhWA

put your vegan thoughts away. I get an urge to have steak when I watch this.

[Howlader]

Hell no.

I enjoy a good steak, piece of pork, duck...lamb...
The list goes on. If it used to roam freely in green pastures, I'll eat it.

[cheeseshredder]

It's not the meat that taste good, it's the sauce and stuff that it's cooked in that makes it taste good. You can easily make a dish that's equivalently tasty without the meat and/or with a meat substitute.


I have to disagree with this, and I don't even like steak.

[aspiringnovelist]

the environmental effects are not really CAUSED by the fact that we are not vegetarian. they are probably 'caused' because as humans, we tend to do things now large-scale etc. - as with just about anything we do. nothing inherent to being a carnivore leads to bad environmental effects afaik.

That's true, sort of. We cause environmental effects just by being human and needing to eat and breathe and whatever. Drive cars. =) I guess what I'm saying is that meat-eating humans have a comparatively bigger impact on the environment than a vegetarian one. All other things being equal.

[aspiringnovelist]

Hell no.

I enjoy a good steak, piece of pork, duck...lamb...
The list goes on. If it used to roam freely in green pastures, I'll eat it.
You eat only grass-fed beef then?
What if it has been trapped inside a steel cage with no room to even move, and certainly not fed beef. In fact, fed a mixture of grain, grass, and their own ****!

[vrus]

it's all about that simpsons episode.

[islandboy_007]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=itis

gotta love the second definition:

a naturally occuring drowsy feeling that is created when a person, normally of the African-American race (although it may affect peoples of all creeds), eats a large amount of fried, salty, or fatty foods...this feeling usually causes one to sip some purple drank and take a nap

"i dun ate all the KFC, the itis got me....wake me up when Cosby's on"

[Howlader]

You eat only grass-fed beef then?
What if it has been trapped inside a steel cage with no room to even move, and certainly not fed beef. In fact, fed a mixture of grain, grass, and their own ****!

Wow. Lighten up.

I think I'll go have some veal.

[entity]

altho i am not a vegetarian/vegan. .i can't deny that these animals are treated cruelly, outside of slaughtering them for their meat. if you ever do watch any of those PETA videos, it's just sickening. The living conditions are horrid, animals are in a sense tortured, and then killed in 'unhumane' ways. It got me to stay off meat for ~5 months but then I gave up.. Dunno how I can eat meat knowing all of that.. :/

[aspiringnovelist]

Wow. Lighten up.

I think I'll go have some veal.

Well, nothing against your meat eating ways. Just pointing out that most meat hasn't done a whole lot of wandering around in the grassy fields while they were living. And then I remembered that the meat industry feeds cow manure to cows, and had to mention that. Enjoy your veal. :)