Do You Believe in Fate?

[skyblue12]

my gf always claims that it's fate when we're on msn and she says brb and i have to leave 1 minute before she comes back.

then again, i always see things that show me that we belong together, ie. today i went to wasabi for dinner and we sat at table b12, b being the first letter of my gf's name and 12 being the date that we started dating.

do any of u believe in "fate"? personally i think it's a load of bull, but then again some things i'll never understand.

women + fate - two of the things that i will never understand. combined? -_- i don't even wanna talk about it

[ullyeus]

no

[gilboman]

no...

[Codegen]

No

[slippy]

no

[mahpoaht]

Yes

[Blunt]

no

[Jkim]

Yes, it was my fate to stumble upon this thread and reply with a dumb answer.

[vrus]

it's possible

[P__S__2]

no

[jeffyjaixx]

don't know yet

[Mike_wang]

coinscidence (Sp?)

[Andro]

yeah of course.

[cmge]

sometimes

[jaigandhi5]

i want my click back.

[plucky duck]

I do, for better or worse. Unfortunately it was for the worse and I foreseen it. Saw a pothole in front of me, yet had to walk towards it. *Sigh*

[mavericknm]

No.

And if you think too much about it you might not push yourself enough and tell yourself that fate will take me where ever I need to go so I don't need to work. Otherwise I think its nice to appreciate the nice coincidences that happen in life.

[CanadaBoy]

“Fate is for those too weak to determine their own destiny.”

Kamran Hamid
--
“Fate is a misconseption, it's only a cover-up for the fact you don't have control over your own life.”
--
“Fate is nothing but the deeds committed in a prior state of existence.”

Ralph Waldo Emerson
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“Fate only takes you so far, then it's up to you to make it happen.”
--

[Octavius]

Few years ago I would have agreed with the majority saying "no"

I know better now. I definitely agree in fate.

I dunno if what you are discussing is really fate per se but I believe in fate in my everyday life that's for sure.

[nini1204]

do any of u believe in "fate"?

no i don't...& i wouldn't want to neither, cuz i wouldn't want to leave things up to "fate" for them to happen or not happen...i believe in objective human effort result especially in terms of rltp.

from what you mentioned above, i'm gonna guess that she may be relatively young? (my sincere apology in advance if i'm assuming incorrectly).........i think when we TRY to make day-to-day common things to fit with special sentiment, it's really not that hard to do (ie: the table # to special date or initial, etc)...but in my humble opinion, they really don't mean more than merely coincidence or ppl simply would like to believe that it was more than what the simple things they truly were :)

[nini1204]

“Fate is for those too weak to determine their own destiny.”
--
“Fate is a misconseption, it's only a cover-up for the fact you don't have control over your own life.”
--
“Fate only takes you so far, then it's up to you to make it happen.”
--

+1 :arrowu:

[fenrus]

“Fate only takes you so far, then it's up to you to make it happen.”

i believe there is fate, but you still have to forge your own destiny.


"And if you think too much about it you might not push yourself enough and tell yourself that fate will take me where ever I need to go so I don't need to work. Otherwise I think its nice to appreciate the nice coincidences that happen in life."

Even if people do believe in fate, I think very few people actually believe in fate like in those described circumstances.

[Skatanic]

then again, i always see things that show me that we belong together, ie. today i went to wasabi for dinner and we sat at table b12, b being the first letter of my gf's name and 12 being the date that we started dating.



you can take almost any situation and make something for it like that...

[astraea]

i think when we TRY to make day-to-day common things to fit with special sentiment, it's really not that hard to do (ie: the table # to special date or initial, etc)...but in my humble opinion, they really don't mean more than merely coincidence or ppl simply would like to believe that it was more than what the simple things they truly were :)

Ditto.
I think you were over-analyzing the situations.

[Sohkeung]

"No. Because I don't like the idea that I'm not in control of my life" ~Neo

[Audiogenic]

Some people are luckier and unluckier than others yes, however, you need to create your own opportunities and luck.

[pm_john]

Some people are luckier and unluckier than others yes, however, you need to create your own opportunities and luck.

I think that is very true.

[Becks]

I think it's very weird to over-analyze common day to day things and interpret them as some kind of signs.

However, if u find that there are certain trends going on in your life, like you tend to get in a lot of verbal arguments with friends, or strangers only, etc., you may find that there is a cause for these types of things which u can change.

As for fate, there are different meanings to this. Some people cannot escape a certain fate if there are things that cannot be changed in their life. If you have a spinal chord injury, u have to live a certain lifestyle. If you are born into poverty as a female in the Third World, your chances of succeeding are probably not as good as compared to someone growing up in more prosperous circumstances.

[ShaTR]

Fate and Devine Decree, yes.

(google it if you don't know. very good reading even for those who don't perscribe to the faith. Provided you believe in the concept of a supreme being)

however, your situation is more of a coincidence. but thats in the eyes of the interpreter.

[beerbaron105]

no but this one time, i was with my gf, and we started watching tv....then i realized it was fate that tv was invented for the sole purpose that my gf and i could watch it....i quickly proposed to her immediately after.

[trixstar]

nope..

[GoW]

yes

[EchoAngel911]

no, you can control what table you wanted.

[CrazeeV]

no.

[sumrandomguy]

yes.

[DaVibe]

I do just because I can look back on my life and go "Oh ... now I get it" ...

It just depends on the situation and how you look at things ... obviously someone close to you dying isn't so much "Fate" some would believe, or someone committing suicide unexpetedly wouldn't be "Fate" ...

But I see a lot of examples and go "Wow, I guess that was fate" ...
And also believe for those who do wrong, it will catch up with them.

[alterNick]

sorry to bump this thread but lately, i have been seeing signs lately that makes me believe in fate. i'm curious to see what other people think.

[deep]

Fate falls into the same category as ESP, Santa, ghosts and god.

Hmmm....I guess I'd better clarify for the gullible: by the above I mean it's complete and utter codswallop.

Damn, I need to clarify that now, too. None of those things exist.

[Stunt_101]

no

[Cybersid]

Life is what you make it.

Wait, there is no Santa?
*cries*

[bLaCkLyCaNtHrOpy]

you make your own life

[kelvin]

if the ? was asked by a chick i dig, then the answer is HELL YES!:D:D

[AFG34]

rofl...no

[yuwing8]

no but this one time, i was with my gf, and we started watching tv....then i realized it was fate that tv was invented for the sole purpose that my gf and i could watch it....i quickly proposed to her immediately after.

Lmao

this thread is jokes lol

[waiting]

It'll be way easy for you if you ever decide to break up with her - tell her it's fate. :lol: Easiest break up ever.

If you end up living unhappily with her, tell yourself it's your fate. :twisted:

[CSR]

no, u

[N_Raged]

Yes. Everything happens for a reason. There are no coincidences. KIFFLOM! (http://www.epsilonprogram.com/)

[Bree]

Yes, of course, but it is influenced and affected by choice.

[weedb0y]

yes, and I've experienced certain things life which were 'foretold' years in advance.

[deep]

Yes, of course, but it is influenced and affected by choice.
Er....maybe you're not familiar with the term, then.

[homer316]

fate not sure, but destiny that's a different story.

will since we are on the topic of fate.

How many believe in "DESTINY"?

Everyone is a non believer until the experience some paranormal things in life.

For examples i know people see things and experience things that not everyone would like to experience in there life time.( like living in a home where things flying around and tv on and off whenever "IT" feels like)

[Reign]

I believe in causality

[king_george]

fate not sure, but destiny that's a different story.

will since we are on the topic of fate.

How many believe in "DESTINY"?

Everyone is a non believer until the experience some paranormal things in life.

For examples i know people see things and experience things that not everyone would like to experience in there life time.( like living in a home where things flying around and tv on and off whenever "IT" feels like)

I'd LOVE to experience those things. How do I sign up? :D

[tet8suo]

yes

[sexpuppet6000]

It is called determinism, and there are tons of very strong arguments in favour for it.

[crackheadpakman]

destiny/fate....whats the difference?

I shape my own pathway in life.

[infinite.chaoz]

Yes. Everything happens for a reason. There are no coincidences. KIFFLOM! (http://www.epsilonprogram.com/)

+10000:lol:

[homer316]

I'd LOVE to experience those things. How do I sign up? :D

First, i know you can not handle. I know everyone say that, but in the end just gone either crazy or crying like a baby.

First if you want to feel something like these, first step is to read more into the paranormal.warning or go to grave sites at NIGHT! of course and take your camera with you, just in case you can't see what is near you !!!

If you can handle the above then you can move on!!! to something even more interesting.

[RaTeD]

no, this thread is stupid.

[deep]

First, i know you can not handle. I know everyone say that, but in the end just gone either crazy or crying like a baby.
Three or four paragraphs of your writing might do that, actually.


First if you want to feel something like these, first step is to read more into the paranormal.warning or go to grave sites at NIGHT! of course and take your camera with you, just in case you can't see what is near you !!!
Hang on, I thought the other one was first. WHICH IS FIRST?!?! I'm already crying like a baby, you were right!


If you can handle the above then you can move on!!! to something even more interesting.
I think I will start by moving on to something more interesting. Like watching paint dry.

[homer316]

destiny/fate....whats the difference?

I shape my own pathway in life.

True, that you shape your fate to a certain point. But at that point LUCK or alot of it that's what people call it these days , comes to play. In another words Destiny

there are parallel universe all around us (according to science), have you ask your self what is on the other universe ?

According Dr Michio Kaku who still working on "STRING THEORY" there are 15 or so dimensions. If you ask most wealthiest and famous people, they will tell you that luck play a LARGE role in their success.

Ex: LUCK play the out almost every day in the police departments because they face with danger 24/7 even off duty.

Fate = believe. not much can say about it

[homer316]

Three or four paragraphs of your writing might do that, actually.


Hang on, I thought the other one was first. WHICH IS FIRST?!?! I'm already crying like a baby, you were right!


I think I will start by moving on to something more interesting. Like watching paint dry.



sure say whatever you want, no big deal. if you have nothing better to say i would not recommend posting. Unless you can prove what your saying

[homer316]

no, this thread is stupid.

Why ?? talking about subjects like this stupid ? Because they do not teach you that in school ?

[king_george]

True, that you shape your fate to a certain point. But at that point LUCK or alot of it that's what people call it these days , comes to play. In another words Destiny

there are parallel universe all around us (according to science), have you ask your self what is on the other universe ?

Correction. According to some theories there are, but nobody knows anything about alleged parallel dimensions/universes.


According Dr Michio Kaku who still working on "STRING THEORY" there are 15 or so dimensions. If you ask most wealthiest and famous people, they will tell you that luck play a LARGE role in their success.

String theory applies to the micro world. It would have zero effect on the macro world. There are thousands of researchers working on the string theory and the theory only exists as a mathematical model. LHC may shed some more light on the ways of testing the theory.


Ex: LUCK play the out almost every day in the police departments because they face with danger 24/7 even off duty.

Fate = believe. not much can say about it

According to the one rich guy I know, you make your own luck.

According to me neighbor the policeman, luck plays no part in his daily routine. It's experience, good instincts and a lot of caution. If you have to have luck to be a policeman, you are in trouble.

The only people who got rich through luck are the ones who win lotteries and slot jackpots.

[Akraz]

I believe everything happens for a reason. But most times it's too screwed up to believe anything at all.

As Nicholas Cage said: "**** just happens."

[007craft]

No fate but what we make.

OMG shes going to kill dyson. We gotta go.

errr um i mean, no I dont believe in fate. I love to think about the extreme possibilities and narrow things down to when the chain of events started. For instance, your exsistance could be because your parents met at a car repair shop and one was there because of a rock which ticked his windshield only because he was out driving to buy a new shirt after he spilled mustard on his other one from a deffective mustard bottle which a no frills clerk threw down because he was lazy to do his job properly. Its quite a coincedence all that happened but regardless, something else would of happened if it didnt, so no fate.

[ali123]

no

[mkerian]

No fate but what we make.

OMG shes going to kill dyson. We gotta go.

errr um i mean, no I dont believe in fate. I love to think about the extreme possibilities and narrow things down to when the chain of events started. For instance, your exsistance could be because your parents met at a car repair shop and one was there because of a rock which ticked his windshield only because he was out driving to buy a new shirt after he spilled mustard on his other one from a deffective mustard bottle which a no frills clerk threw down because he was lazy to do his job properly. Its quite a coincedence all that happened but regardless, something else would of happened if it didnt, so no fate.

Say waaah?

[AudiDude]

No. Sometimes I caused $hit to happen on purpose and have heard somone describe the situation as fate, or in one case, karma. Truth is, somone backstabbed me and 3 others and I "karma'd" him nine years later as the opportunity fell into my lap...

[jz1n]

Yes... wait, no. Perhaps... ok definitely maybe!

if there's fate then there's no free will... hmmm what an enigma!

[setell]

I believe in fate/destiny. If it wasn't for a series of events a few years ago my life now would be sooo different. I would be at a different place and different stage in my life as well. For the longest time I was bitter how my life was forced to go one way that wasn’t my choice but things for me isn’t so bad now. I went to the fortune teller when I was in china a few years ago and she said that there was no right/wrong choice but I took the rough path. I was at a midpoint where there were two potential paths and I chose the “harder” path according to her. Well I gotta say…it’s been a bloody hard rocky few years of my life. It may be just crap I’m believing but it makes me feel better to believe in it. If I didn’t take this path I wouldn’t have met some amazing friends in university and my fiancée as well too.

[bobbings]

no

[Dash]

No. I believe in coincidence.

EDIT: I'm going to make an amendment to my previous statement. I don't believe in fate, except when it's to my advantage.

ex.

Me (to a naive girl I just met): I had alot of fun tonight. you want to come back to my place for coffee?
her: I don't know...we just met, and I don't really rush into things to fast.
Me: yea, me neither. it's all good. It's pretty great how we click so well. I'm a big believer in fate, and I think it was fate that prompted me to ask you for your number in that McDonald's yesterday, especially since I rarely ever eat McDonald's at all.

and I think it's also fate, that guys who use really stupid cheesy lines, just so happen to meet girls who fall for really stupid cheesy lines.

[heymikey]

I've been debating whether or not I should contribute to this thread since I don't want people to think I'm a crazy narcissist. Sometimes I feel that believing in fate is a sign of narcissism thinking that the world revolves around you. But what if you've seen so many coincidences telling you to do something?

For example, I've been thinking of going on a different direction in my life and go on a working holiday in London as a start (which isn't a surprise for those who have read my posts). Call me crazy but I've been seeing signs telling me I should do it.


(1) Five years ago before I even knew about working holidays or whatever, I won a eurailpass right on my birthday (coincidence?), which sealed my decision to take some time off after graduation to travel for a while.

(2) On the day of my intended departure back to Canada after my trip, there were some mechanical problems on the plane so they sent us to a hotel overnight. The next day, we boarded a different plane and that plane also experienced some problems that delayed us for about a couple of hours. I actually remember sitting on that plane wondering if this was a sign that I wasn't meant to leave. Also, Air Canada gave us extra bonus aeroplan miles (see #4 below).

(3) Once I got back, I was seriously thinking of moving to London. Five years ago, I remember the visa regulations were that you have to be 26 or under, you can't work full-time in a career job, you can only work for about 6 months in a span of 1 year, and the cost was around £205 (quite expensive). Unfortunately, I had a nice stable job and didn't want to trade that for working at the pubs for only 6 months. Through the years, the visa regulations changed. Now, you can work for the entire 2 years in any profession, the cost is half of what it used to, and the age restriction is 30. I feel like the regulations changed in my favor over the years and I think it's a sign for me to apply now.

(4) My boss sent me to Australia to work for 3 months last year. While this isn't a sign all to itself, I worked with a consultant from the UK who gave me his recruiter's contact info in London. I also worked with a couple of people who did a working holiday in the UK during their 20s who inspired me again to do it. I sometimes have this feeling that I was sent to Australia to meet these people -- probably to help me find a job and to inspire me that this experience is worth pursuing. I was also able to claim the aeroplan miles for this trip even though I didn't pay for it. And together with #2 above, I now have enough miles for a round-trip airfare to London (flight taken care of). Maybe it's just another coincidence.

(5) When I came back home, I started having this overwhelming feeling that I need to do this but was still hesitant to quit my job. The very first time I turned on the TV after I got back, I stumbled upon a documentary (http://www.amapforsaturday.com/) about a guy who had quit his high-paying job to travel around the world for a year. I checked the TV guide and I don't think it has aired ever since. I just think it's an incredible coincidence to come back home thinking of quitting your job to embark on an adventure, and then right on the same day, turn on the TV for the first time and end up catching a documentary of a guy who thought and did the same thing.

(6) Still hesitant to quit my job, I started having problems with a co-worker (incredibly perfect timing). This alone has lots of coincidences. Coincidentally, I posted some stuff here at the wrong time that were taken way out of context. For example, I posted some stuff that he mistook as me saying something about his parents, when in reality, I only found out about the situation with his parents several weeks after. Then, he told people about it and painted me as this horrible person and turned co-workers against me. I have to admit though, I am actually grateful for everything that has happened considering I tend to be quite complacent with my life. It's like fate made my job quite difficult to make it easier for me to quit my job.

(7) Because of #6, I decided to talk to an HR consultant at work regarding what I wanted to do in life because I feel really lost. This is probably not a sign but coincidentally, she also did a working holiday out of all places in London in her early 20s and gave me some good tips. She also made me realize that it's ok to switch careers in your 30s (which she did herself) which I might end up doing. Just like the people in #4, she reassured me that life will be okay even though I take this risk.

(8) After I've submitted and paid for my visa application for a September departure, I started thinking whether I should quit my job or ask for a leave of absence. About an hour later after I submitted it (probably the biggest coincidence out of them all), we received an email out of the blue saying that there will be about massive layoffs by fall (timing again seems perfect). Nobody knew this was coming. I then decided to postpone my plan for April and after a few days, we had a meeting where the CIO said that the layoffs might happen at the end of the fiscal year. Maybe fate knows I am a pussy and despite my co-worker making my job difficult, it knows I will never do anything about it unless I get laid off. Or maybe fate is providing me a better option than quitting -- being laid off with a severance package.



Maybe they're all just coincidences. After all, I do have free will and may decide to be practical and choose to never leave. Or maybe there is fate after all. It might be destiny that I might get laid off so I could change where my life is heading to a different direction.

[mcg]

LOL terrance, nice thread. I BELIEVE IN YOUR FATE!

[skyblue12]

LOL terrance, nice thread. I BELIEVE IN YOUR FATE!

i made this thread over 2 years ago LOL when i saw that somebody had brought this back up i was like O_O"

[AcidBomber]

i made this thread over 2 years ago LOL when i saw that somebody had brought this back up i was like O_O"


so wait, any updates?
are you still together with the gf? haha :lol:

[Jay Hova]

It's just the way she goes, sometimes she goes - sometimes she doesn't. It's the way she goes.

[nuberific]

I believe in causality

That's funny, I believe in casualties.

[angekfire]

Fate vs. Free Will.

If everything is already pre-destined, we do not infact have free-will, our paths are already determined for us. This would mean we merely have the illusion of free will. On the other hand, if we do have free will, then the future must be unknown, because we can change our decision and thus change the course of the future at a moment's notice.

I can decide to go to a bar, then once I get on the bus, go 3 stops then decide to go home. If something happened at the bar (ex: someone got shot) people would probably argue it was fate I wasn't there, because I could have died.

You can't have both. Either everything is determined by actions, or everything is fated, and regardless of what you do, it is going to happen anyway.

[DuDe1411]

i believe. but fate is against me

[Si98]

The universe is a lot more organized than we think.

[CStone]

Fate vs. Free Will.

If everything is already pre-destined, we do not infact have free-will, our paths are already determined for us. This would mean we merely have the illusion of free will. On the other hand, if we do have free will, then the future must be unknown, because we can change our decision and thus change the course of the future at a moment's notice.

I can decide to go to a bar, then once I get on the bus, go 3 stops then decide to go home. If something happened at the bar (ex: someone got shot) people would probably argue it was fate I wasn't there, because I could have died.

You can't have both. Either everything is determined by actions, or everything is fated, and regardless of what you do, it is going to happen anyway.

Wow…an interesting topic…

I believe in fate. Unfortunately, I also believe fate is something that we can only see as an experience in the past but not something that we can predict for the future. There are people that claim to be able to see the future (e.g. fortune-tellers) but I feel their vision is often clouded. Thus their prediction is really just “a part of” the fate, and not “overseeing from the outside”.

As for free-will, I believe it is more of an illusion. My reason for that is that the decision/choice making process in our brain is not random but is based on logics and reasons. Given a constant set of circumstances and knowledge, our decision for one scenario would always be the same. There's always a reason why we choose an "outcome" over another, that presence of this reason is "fate".