RFD Cool Wall: Car #40 - Buick Lucerne

[puff_daddy_58_99]

Well last week's vote wasn't the largest ever, but it was pretty overwhelming. The Lotus Exige was added as the newest sub-zero car on the RFD Cool Wall;

http://www.robertphillips.ca/rfdcoolwall.gif

This week is another entry from the domestic market. I've always had a soft spot for Buick since the first car I bought was a Riviera, but for most people they are cars for senior citizens. The Lucerne CXS, powered by a 275HP northstar V8, is the very top of the Buick lineup. Is it a cool car? You decide on the RFD Cool Wall!

http://www.robertphillips.ca/lucerne.jpg

As always voting will continue until Saturday (sorry for posting late this week), and if you have a car you want to see added just send me a PM.

[cereal83]

Not cool at all imo. It's a old person car! boo

[McLaren]

Poor man's Cadillac, and they ripped off the whole rear from the Phaeton.

http://www.christin.com/img/en/lucerne/lucerne_03.jpg

http://www.direct-vehicle-leasing.net/images/car_images/vw%20phaeton.jpg

[frogger]

FWD V8 four door sedan, I guess its cool for senior citizens.
http://www.autoblog.com/media/2006/03/IMG_4615.jpg

[cereal83]

There is no new technology that makes this car cool, the looks aren't appealing at all. There is nothing new or good on this car that would make me even take a double look at it. I dunno what Buick is thinking

[V A N Q U I S H]

I love the look of this car, cool for me.

[bionicbadger]

if a honda civic and chrysler 300 are cool then this has to at least be cool.

[sshe11]

we need something in between cool and un-cool ...

[gheart008]

we need something in between cool and un-cool ...

ya we should have a category called "No Comment"

[idk-bart]

ya we should have a category called "No Comment"

owned, don't vote if you can't decide!

[weedb0y]

It has its niche market and I have driven it (HARD as well), its smooth but obviously not sporty handling (then again, I dont expect that from Camry either which is pretty smoooshy as well!)

[Odysseus_Maximus]

uncool car!!

[gheart008]

owned, don't vote if you can't decide!

lol I fail to see how that was owned, doesn't even make sense in this context. Anyways, I did vote, and I was actually just cracking a joke.

Sheesh!

[radeonboy]

who voted sub-zero?? :confused:

[VivienM]

who voted sub-zero?? :confused:

Me, obviously. :)

(Did anybody expect anything else?)

[gherikill]

I would get a Lucerne in a heartbeat if I could get a good deal. It is basically a re badged Cadillac DTS.

Lucerne Super is going to rule,

[sshe11]

lol I fail to see how that was owned, doesn't even make sense in this context. Anyways, I did vote, and I was actually just cracking a joke.

Sheesh!

I think he's trying to show-off his CS skills ... :lol:

[grant]

Poor man's Cadillac, and they ripped off the whole rear from the Phaeton.
Copying something is bad enough, but copying a VOLKSWAGEN??? ug talk about lack of pride.

[VivienM]

Copying something is bad enough, but copying a VOLKSWAGEN??? ug talk about lack of pride.

Everybody seems to praise VW's styling... so why not?

[rayner55]

tight race between uncool and seriously uncool

[Slippery_Pete]

This has to be an uncool car. Its too boring and too associated with senior citizens to be considered cool. It is a very nice car, but sorry, not cool.

[puff_daddy_58_99]

Everybody seems to praise VW's styling... so why not?

I actually love the Phaeton, it's the ultimate sleeper. Park it on the road and 95% of people wouldn't know about the W12 engine that can move it to 200MPH without a limiter.

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

It's not really a bad car, but it's just so outdated, and the name means nothing and has no appeal to anyone.They really need to kill this and bring over a Zeta Park Avenue and Skylark.

[monty613]

My mom has one of these in beige

Automatically 'seriously uncool' :lol:

[McLaren]

I actually love the Phaeton, it's the ultimate sleeper. Park it on the road and 95% of people wouldn't know about the W12 engine that can move it to 200MPH without a limiter.

I think you should put the Phaeton up next for the Cool wall - would be interesting lets see if people really know whats in it.

[Badman]

I actually love the Phaeton, it's the ultimate sleeper. Park it on the road and 95% of people wouldn't know about the W12 engine that can move it to 200MPH without a limiter.

QFT:D That car is amazing and its so rare to see one as it wasn't in production for very long.

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

I would get a Lucerne in a heartbeat if I could get a good deal. It is basically a re badged Cadillac DTS.


WTF would anyone besides George Bush want a DTS? GM should kill that one too. Also DTS is on a different platform.


Lucerne Super is going to rule,

You know there's a reason why no car maker other than GM puts high powered engines into transverse engine FWD cars?

[VivienM]

WTF would anyone besides George Bush want a DTS? GM should kill that one too. Also DTS is on a different platform.

DTS is on the exact same platform. Sure, the VINs say something different, but it's the same good ol' G body platform with its usual quirks. They're both built on the same line in the same plant.

[puff_daddy_58_99]

WTF would anyone besides George Bush want a DTS? GM should kill that one too. Also DTS is on a different platform.



You know there's a reason why no car maker other than GM puts high powered engines into transverse engine FWD cars?

i don't know why people knock the FWD V8's. Sure there is torque steer, but at the same time I'll beat 90% of cars (or more) at the lights with a 0-60 time of 5.6 seconds.... My Impala SS has the FWD 5.3L and i'm not complaining

[TridentSplash]

Definately sub zero. If the Enzo, Zonda and Bugatti Veyron are sub zero, this MUST be.

[cereal83]

i don't know why people knock the FWD V8's. Sure there is torque steer, but at the same time I'll beat 90% of cars (or more) at the lights with a 0-60 time of 5.6 seconds.... My Impala SS has the FWD 5.3L and i'm not complaining

A 1.3L RX8 would smoke you around a track and it's a rwd and also looks better!

[VivienM]

A 1.3L RX8 would smoke you around a track and it's a rwd and also looks better!

Try fitting 5 people in a RX8, with luggage and everything.

Also, let's talk about your 1.3L RX8. You might, like a good fool, believe displacement is a proxy for fuel efficiency.

Impala SS, 5.3L V8, 4 speed auto, curb weight 1683 kg. 12.9 L/100km city, 8.1 L/100km highway.
Mazda RX8, 1.3L rotary thing, 6 speed manual transmission, curb weight 1389 kg. 12.8 L/100km city 9.2 L/100km highway.
Mazda RX8, 1.3L rotary thing, 6 speed automatic, curb weight 1404kg. 12.9 L/100km city 8.6 L/100km highway.

Interesting, no?

That 5.3L V8 you are sneering at, moving 280kg more with two fewer gears, nonetheless gets marginally better fuel economy than your RX8.

[puff_daddy_58_99]

and the rx8 is more expensive, and honestly when was the last time you raced around a track with it? Most of the time you are looking for straight line acceleration, and most of the time you never push the car close to the limit.

And Vivien is right, it's nice to have a big family car with a huge trunk and loads of room with the added ability to smoke your mazda at the lights. As far as looks go, I won't deny that the RX-8 looks good, but I prefer the sleeper look. Unless you know what you are looking at, you would assume that it's just a regular old impala.

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

DTS is on the exact same platform. Sure, the VINs say something different, but it's the same good ol' G body platform with its usual quirks. They're both built on the same line in the same plant.

So the H platform and the K platform are actually different names for the G?


i don't know why people knock the FWD V8's. Sure there is torque steer, but at the same time I'll beat 90% of cars (or more) at the lights with a 0-60 time of 5.6 seconds.... My Impala SS has the FWD 5.3L and i'm not complaining


...well, I'm not going to rehash the pros/cons of FWD and RWD, but I just find the idea distasteful, and so do most people it seems.

[frogger]

Another reason this car isn't cool, it isn't even offered with a manual transmission (or dual clutch automatic). Its a totally average car with some good power, thats all.

[ES_Revenge]

Seriously uncool. This is grandpa's car, LOL. I'd put in some more comments but I'm tired (seriously not just because of the yawn factor of this grandpa-mobile, LOL)... Maybe later, lol. The only interesting/cool Buick nowadays is the Enclave. They might as well make the Enclave a GMC and make it to the Acadia as the Denali is to the Yukon. Then axe the whole Buick line because it's way too borr-ring!

[chickenbones]

and the rx8 is more expensive, and honestly when was the last time you raced around a track with it? Most of the time you are looking for straight line acceleration, and most of the time you never push the car close to the limit.

And Vivien is right, it's nice to have a big family car with a huge trunk and loads of room with the added ability to smoke your mazda at the lights. As far as looks go, I won't deny that the RX-8 looks good, but I prefer the sleeper look. Unless you know what you are looking at, you would assume that it's just a regular old impala.

The point is, if your Impala SS, which I agree is a sleeper and fast on the straights, is a RWD it would be a better car.

It's not that FWD is bad, it's that a V8 300+ hp car is BETTER as a RWD.

The only reason they made the Impala SS FWD is cost. Share the same drive train and FWD = Cheap V8 = attractive.

You can't argue that it's ideal to put that much power and weight to the front wheels.

[VivienM]

So the H platform and the K platform are actually different names for the G?

Yes.

Quick GM history lesson. In the late 1970s/early 80s, The Man Who Destroyed GM decided to convert all GM cars to FWD.

This resulted in the following:
- MY1984 - Cadillac coupe/sedan de Ville, Fleetwood (the Fleetwood name later went back to an RWD B/D body car) - VIN code K
- MY1985 - high-end 'full-size' cars - Buick Electra, Oldsmobile 98 - VIN code C
- MY1986 - lower-end 'full-size' cars - Buick LeSabre, Oldsmobile Delta 88, Pontiac Bonneville - VIN code H
(The W body coupes were launched in 1988, and so were other things, but that's irrelevant)
How different those three are, I don't know.

In MY1991, the C body cars were redesigned, and the Buick got renamed Park Avenue. This was followed in MY1992 by redesigns to the H cars. The K cars probably got changed around then too.

Then in MY1995, GM launched the G platform on the Buick Riviera and Olds Aurora. The G platform can be recognized by its battery and fusebox under the rear seat and its gas filler cap in an usual-for-GM location, high-up right behind the driver's side C pillar.

In MY1997, the Park Avenue was redesigned on a slightly modified version of the G platform that has the battery under the hood. I believe it kept its C VIN. The Olds 98 was dropped.

In MY1998, the Cadillac Seville got moved to the G platform. Sometime around then, the Buick Riviera got killed.

In MY2000, the Pontiac Bonneville and Buick LeSabre got moved to the short-wheelbase version of the G platform (keeping VIN code H), while the Cadillac DeVille went to the long-wheelbase version with VIN code K.

In MY2001, the second generation Olds Aurora was launched, keeping VIN code G. It was discontinued after MY2003.

The Cadillac Seville was discontinued after MY2004, replaced by the RWD Sigma STS. The Buick Park Avenue got killed after a brief production run in MY2005, followed by the Bonneville.

In MY2006, the Lucerne, VIN code H, replaced the LeSabre, but shared the long wheelbase with the DTS, which replaced the DeVille and kept VIN code K.

I'm sure I'm forgetting a few models here and there, and a few years may be off, but that's the basic history of the GM G platform. If you know what you're looking for (the two things I've said above), it's very easy to identify the G body cars...

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

The only interesting/cool Buick nowadays is the Enclave. They might as well make the Enclave a GMC and make it to the Acadia as the Denali is to the Yukon. Then axe the whole Buick line because it's way too borr-ring!

http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/ParkAvenuefiles/U2050P33T148D168200F2100DT20070410192408.jpg
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Now the LY7 is a good engine, but a big car like this needs a LS or Northstar. I would drive it.

[VivienM]

Now the LY7 is a good engine, but a big car like this needs a LS or Northstar. I would drive it.

In North America, it would probably get the LS or the replacement for the Northstar, if that's still being planned. (I haven't been keeping up on GM rumours in the last month or so)

From what I understand, though, the Chinese tend to like their engines smaller, kinda like Europeans.

[V A N Q U I S H]

That Park Avenue up there looks great! They discontinued that model here in NA, but we never saw anything as good as that one.

[chickenbones]

China love GM cars. Buick is very popular there.

[puff_daddy_58_99]

only 6 hours of voting left so get your vote in soon. Un-Cool and Seriously Uncool are pretty close.

This coming week will be the start of 2 seater roadster month for the cool wall

[Evil Techie]

i don't know why people knock the FWD V8's. Sure there is torque steer, but at the same time I'll beat 90% of cars (or more) at the lights with a 0-60 time of 5.6 seconds.... My Impala SS has the FWD 5.3L and i'm not complaining

its not all about straight line acceleration
car handling also affects ppl's opinions about how good a car is

GM cars in china always seems higher class and finish than here in NA

[KonniXeoN]

I can't even believe how anyone could vote that the BMW 3-Series is uncool.

Talk about german car haters on this forum. Tell me how a Honda Civic SI got voted cooler than a BMW 3-Series? Is that a joke?

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w274/Konnixeon/BlackBMW.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w274/Konnixeon/e901.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w274/Konnixeon/e902.jpg

My case rests. The 3 series can easily tear up the civic. I can buy 2 civics with 1 BMW. I wonder why everyone bashes on the bmw when it is one of the best performing cars on the road.

Try racing a 335i, it will RAPE YOU.
Vinshu Procede 335 can murder any car on the street in it's price range.
$ 51,600 for the 335I, then $1000 for the Procede ECU chip.
= 420HP.

[TridentSplash]

I can't even believe how anyone could vote that the BMW 3-Series is uncool.

Talk about german car haters on this forum. Tell me how a Honda Civic SI got voted cooler than a BMW 3-Series? Is that a joke?

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w274/Konnixeon/BlackBMW.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w274/Konnixeon/e901.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w274/Konnixeon/e902.jpg

My case rests. The 3 series can easily tear up the civic. I can buy 2 civics with 1 BMW. I wonder why everyone bashes on the bmw when it is one of the best performing cars on the road.

Try racing a 335i, it will RAPE YOU.
Vinshu Procede 335 can murder any car on the street in it's price range.
$ 51,600 for the 335I, then $1000 for the Procede ECU chip.
= 420HP.


Isnt that Samir from bimmerforums ride?

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

It's also uncool because the insecure ******* drivers are running around hijacking other threads for no good reason other than because not everyone likes their ugly ass yuppie car. :lol:

[MrDisco]

That Park Avenue up there looks great! They discontinued that model here in NA, but we never saw anything as good as that one.

You can blame Buick dealers for that one. They were given previews of the PA and the Lucerne and they picked the Lucerne as their headliner car. maybe one day they'll bring it over (along with the Middle East Chevy Caprice).

I like the Lucerne but there's far too many parts that are shared with the cheaper Impala (steering wheel, gauges, dash unit, etc). You're spending a premium for the name and not really getting premium fittings. Or on the other hand it just makes the Impala that much more of a bargain.

[KonniXeoN]

It's also uncool because the insecure ******* drivers are running around hijacking other threads for no good reason other than because not everyone likes their ugly ass yuppie car. :lol:

"If you ain't got no money take your broke ass home" ;)
Evny us, hater.

What kinda car you drive, baddie?

[VivienM]

I like the Lucerne but there's far too many parts that are shared with the cheaper Impala (steering wheel, gauges, dash unit, etc). You're spending a premium for the name and not really getting premium fittings. Or on the other hand it just makes the Impala that much more of a bargain.

Except you can't even get auto climate control on the Impala...

Basically, the Impala got the new engines, the Lucerne got the luxury gizmos. Auto climate, navigation, ventilated seats, the new lane drift warning thingy, heated washer fluid, etc.

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

What kinda car you drive, baddie?

Pretty much sums up the BMW driver, doesn't it. Are you still wondering why the car is uncool? :cheesygri

Too bad, it's not a bad car if you can get over the uglyness, and I know most drivers are perfectly nice people, but like the Buick, cool/uncool is perception driven.

[Slippery_Pete]

only 6 hours of voting left so get your vote in soon. Un-Cool and Seriously Uncool are pretty close.

This coming week will be the start of 2 seater roadster month for the cool wall

Thats a great idea!! :cool:

[march9]

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Now the LY7 is a good engine, but a big car like this needs a LS or Northstar. I would drive it.

Isn't this going to come as pontiac G8?

[cereal83]

G8 is smaller


God I hope this car gets seriously un-cool

[radeonboy]

I can't even believe how anyone could vote that the BMW 3-Series is uncool.

Talk about german car haters on this forum. Tell me how a Honda Civic SI got voted cooler than a BMW 3-Series? Is that a joke?

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w274/Konnixeon/BlackBMW.jpg


My case rests. The 3 series can easily tear up the civic. I can buy 2 civics with 1 BMW. I wonder why everyone bashes on the bmw when it is one of the best performing cars on the road.

Try racing a 335i, it will RAPE YOU.
Vinshu Procede 335 can murder any car on the street in it's price range.
$ 51,600 for the 335I, then $1000 for the Procede ECU chip.
= 420HP.

LOL what the hell, that 3 series is modified buddy. what the heck you are comparing apples to oranges. we here are voting on stock cars, with stock looking appearance.

[gordholio]

Who cares is a car is "cool" or not.
I buy a car for my needs, not to impress other people.
As long as it's decently reliable and not ugly, I'm okay with it.

[masterballer]

Who cares is a car is "cool" or not.
I buy a car for my needs, not to impress other people.
As long as it's decently reliable and not ugly, I'm okay with it.

+1 ... my car should impress ME and if it impresses other then thats a bonus.

[cereal83]

Who cares is a car is "cool" or not.
I buy a car for my needs, not to impress other people.
As long as it's decently reliable and not ugly, I'm okay with it.

How ignorant are you to come into a thread like this and say that? We don't care why you need a car or what you think about cars in general. Do you think the car is cool or not? If you want to say something else, open a new thread

:idea:

[masterballer]

How ignorant are you to come into a thread like this and say that? We don't care why you need a car or what you think about cars in general. Do you think the car is cool or not? If you want to say something else, open a new thread

:idea:

Thats true...although i like the point, it doesnt belong in this thread. Did i ever miss that one lol

[rubberband]

Meh, nothing too special about it. Had one of these as a rental a while back.. plenty of power for sure, but steers like a brick in syrup.

[MrDisco]

Except you can't even get auto climate control on the Impala...


yeah it has some gadgets, but at the core you sit in the lucerne and you're staring at the exact same interior as the impala (sans bowtie logo).

[mlc2000]

Buick is to Cool as KFC is to Gourmet chicken

Buicks are old man cars.

Did you hear about the Lacrosse (sold here as the Allure?)

Seems Lacrosse is slang for masturbation in Quebec.

Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3208501.stm

[VivienM]

Did you hear about the Lacrosse (sold here as the Allure?)

Seems Lacrosse is slang for masturbation in Quebec.

Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3208501.stm

That news is oh... about... 3-4 years old now?

[gherikill]

Buick is to Cool as KFC is to Gourmet chicken

Buicks are old man cars.



You won't say that when a 300+HP Buick Super blows by your Civic. Plus if you were to drive from Toronto to Halifax, what car would you rather be in?

[KonniXeoN]

LOL what the hell, that 3 series is modified buddy. what the heck you are comparing apples to oranges. we here are voting on stock cars, with stock looking appearance.

Pictures does not do the new 3-series justice. You have to see the car in real life in-order to appreciate it.

It's not something that will be like OH WOW, I love it, it takes time to admire like art. But like every car, there will be a group of poeple who love it and hate it.

That 3-series has barely any mods, okay minus the breaks other than that it has new rims, and a kit.
Thats like what 4000$ most?

But the original car is still beautiful. Check out the 335i...

[VivienM]

Plus if you were to drive from Toronto to Halifax, what car would you rather be in?

Most people around here would probably take... a Honda Fit!

(I wouldn't. But hey. I voted sub-zero for the Lucerne, so what do I know?)

[ES_Revenge]

You know there's a reason why no car maker other than GM puts high powered engines into transverse engine FWD cars?
I didn't realise GM made the Altima? :confused:

LOL :P (270hp isn't as much as 300, no, but I would still call it high powered, relatively speaking, for a front driver.)

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

Eh, well, 6 of one and half a dozen of the other I guess. I was thinking of the REALLY high powered ones, like the Impala/Monte Carlo SS with the LS4. 323 ft/lbs of torque would be a little unsettling. The VQ in the Altima is pretty high powered but it's closer to a 3800 than an LS4, not nearly as much torque (240ft lbs ish).

Nissan sucks anyway. They're like a Japanese version of Dodge - can't match the quality or reliability of the big 2 players (Toyota/Honda in this case) so they try to make up for it with slightly more HP in each class. :lol:

[mlc2000]

You won't say that when a 300+HP Buick Super blows by your Civic. Plus if you were to drive from Toronto to Halifax, what car would you rather be in?

I don't drive a Civic. Too small for me.
And even if I did, I suppose I should be impressed by a 300hp Buick?
Not likely. Its a fast family car. Wow. What an achievement!

I drive a 2006 Jetta Tdi (flamers start your engines).
Its fits me better than any Buick, I am 6'6" 250lbs.
I won't even bother to discuss the glaring differences in fuel consumption.

My Jetta TDI can drive just as fast a 300hp Buick,
just the Buick can get to that speed faster than me.
Whoop-dee-doo.

I am not advocating my car go on the RFD Cool Wall.
Hardly. But putting the Lucerne up there? What a joke.

Having said that, my time is too valuable to drive to Halifax.

Thanks, I'll fly.


Edit: The Super version has only 17hp more than the CXS,.
Thats really Super !

[mlc2000]

Eh, well, 6 of one and half a dozen of the other I guess. I was thinking of the REALLY high powered ones, like the Impala/Monte Carlo SS with the LS4. 323 ft/lbs of torque would be a little unsettling. The VQ in the Altima is pretty high powered but it's closer to a 3800 than an LS4, not nearly as much torque (240ft lbs ish).

Nissan sucks anyway. They're like a Japanese version of Dodge - can't match the quality or reliability of the big 2 players (Toyota/Honda in this case) so they try to make up for it with slightly more HP in each class. :lol:

Its closer to a 3800 because its a V6. And one of the best, according to Wards. It won top 10 engine from 1993 to 2004.

[mlc2000]

You won't say that when a 300+HP Buick Super blows by your Civic. Plus if you were to drive from Toronto to Halifax, what car would you rather be in?

If I had to be in a 300HP family car, I'd want it to be a RWD, like every one else is making these days.(actually its 292HP - look it up. The Lacrosse /Allure is 300hp.)

[gherikill]

I don't drive a Civic. Too small for me.
And even if I did, I suppose I should be impressed by a 300hp Buick?
Not likely. Its a fast family car. Wow. What an achievement!

I drive a 2006 Jetta Tdi (flamers start your engines).
Its fits me better than any Buick, I am 6'6" 250lbs.
I won't even bother to discuss the glaring differences in fuel consumption.

My Jetta TDI can drive just as fast a 300hp Buick,
just the Buick can get to that speed faster than me.
Whoop-dee-doo.[/B]

The Super Allure/La Crosse is basically an Impala SS, the whole point of having a performance car is to get to the speed fast not drive fast - almost .any car can go fast given enough time.

I love the fact that it is a fast family car/sleeper sedan. That way the cops leave you alone, but you can have some fun if you want.

[ES_Revenge]

I don't drive a Civic. Too small for me.
And even if I did, I suppose I should be impressed by a 300hp Buick?
Not likely. Its a fast family car. Wow. What an achievement!
So, wait the fact that the car can dust a lot of other smaller cars around, and do so while having the kids in the back with the groceries, and some home/garden purchases from Canadian Tire in the trunk, isn't at least something of an acheivement? I mean if anything a small, high horsepower car that's quick, is not something surprising. A large grandpa car like this with some power is a little more surprising if you ask me. But of course I don't think grandpa should have that much power anyway, and probably shouldn't be driving either hahaha.


I drive a 2006 Jetta Tdi (flamers start your engines).
Its fits me better than any Buick, I am 6'6" 250lbs.
I won't even bother to discuss the glaring differences in fuel consumption.

My Jetta TDI can drive just as fast a 300hp Buick,
just the Buick can get to that speed faster than me.
Whoop-dee-doo.
In my book that comment makes me think of you more as a commuter rather than a driver, LOL.

And go ahead and save your fuel, at least the Buick doesn't stink up the place! (Hey you said start your engines hah! ;) ).


I am not advocating my car go on the RFD Cool Wall.
Hardly. But putting the Lucerne up there? What a joke.
The Cool Wall has more than one category, you realise. You're saying the Lucerne doesn't even deserve to get voted on then? Strange--that's kind of like denying anyone voting on it any other way than not voting, or something twisted like that, lol.

If you just meant not putting it in the Cool category of the Cool Wall, then yeah I agree on that note (see my post above).



Having said that, my time is too valuable to drive to Halifax.

Thanks, I'll fly.

Another reason why you're not a driver!

[mlc2000]

Next thing you know they'll be putting station wagons on the cool wall.
Like the 2007 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG Wagon,rated at 507hp.


http://www.automobilemag.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0701_a+2007_mercedes_benz_e63_amg_wagon+01.jpg

[NikonSLR]

Next thing you know they'll be putting station wagons on the cool wall.
Like the 2007 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG Wagon,rated at 507hp.


http://www.automobilemag.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0701_a+2007_mercedes_benz_e63_amg_wagon+01.jpg

Thats ****ing hot, i would take that over ALOT of cars on the road today! and i mean ALOT!

[mlc2000]

Thats ****ing hot, i would take that over ALOT of cars on the road today! and i mean ALOT!

Whattya want for $125K ?

Theres one down the street from me.
I saw him dust me on the 407 when I was doing 140>:(

[mlc2000]

So, wait the fact that the car can dust a lot of other smaller cars around, and do so while having the kids in the back with the groceries, and some home/garden purchases from Canadian Tire in the trunk, isn't at least something of an acheivement? I mean if anything a small, high horsepower car that's quick, is not something surprising. A large grandpa car like this with some power is a little more surprising if you ask me. But of course I don't think grandpa should have that much power anyway, and probably shouldn't be driving either hahaha.




U nailed it. A Grandpa car

Next up, the Caprice Classic.

[bobbings]

the front grill still looks too blahhh.

[Slippery_Pete]

the front grill still looks too blahhh.

The front grills on a lot of GM cars look blah. GM has come out with some half decent looking cars recently but it always seems the front end on them kills the look. Is it just me?

[df329]

I'm young and I drive a lucerne... it's a super beautiful car :D

GM FOR LIFE!!

[VivienM]

I'm young and I drive a lucerne... it's a super beautiful car :D

GM FOR LIFE!!

3.8 or Northstar?

[df329]

3.8 or Northstar?

only need 3.8... i don't drive fast :D