Brutal Rape at Carleton

[jacky27]

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=61a95ba6-8f33-4301-b574-eb11fd1e3eef&k=31320

Hope they catch the white bastard!

[dasaylay]

Is the white part really necessary?

[aimfox]

Oh damn... :|

[dragon_drift]

Highly disturbing.

[ab20]

...back to school discussion, definetly not...
terrible news

[Izzoshady]

Wow.

I don't think anything of this magnitude has ever happened at Carleton.

That being said, the security is a joke at Carleton as it probably is at a lot of other universities.

[strohlio]

wow.. that is crazy.... i hope they catch that piece of $%#$.

[Akuma_kumite]

don't they have the DNA samples of the rapist from the victim's body? Carleton should implement key card access instead of traditional key

[yao416]

:eek:

[najibs]

These are the type of people that deserve to be castrated.

[sixer]

Is the white part really necessary?

Agreed! If you wanted to help, how about posting a real description of suspect.

Suspect Description
English-speaking, broad-shouldered, bald white man in his 20s. He’s about five-foot-eight or five-foot-nine, clean-shaven, and was wearing jeans, running shoes and a blue hooded sweatshirt with small white lettering on the chest. He had been drinking and was carrying a plastic bag from Macy’s.

[sixer]

These are the type of people that deserve to be castrated.

Jail will do just fine, this isn't the middle east.

[george benjamin]

Jail will do just fine, this isn't the middle east.

Hello,

Under Islamic law, castration is completely prohibited, whether it be for punishment or self infliction.

In the times of the arabs (1400 years ago), men used to castrate themselves when they went out to very long journeys(months or years) and couldn't be sexually active. So instead of being frustrated because of not having sex (wife back at homeland), they used to castrate themselves.

[sixer]

Somewhere over there they cut off hands for stealing, etc.

Just referring to that type of society.

[TapemanPL]

that is some messed up crap

[Mike_wang]

Chemical Castration is in order.

[elty]

Agreed! If you wanted to help, how about posting a real description of suspect.


Jail will do just fine, this isn't the middle east.

Surprise, surprise.

[elty]

Is the white part really necessary?

Why not necessary? Or should ppl say "the moving organism composed with different chemical that rape someone" to avoid political incorrectness?

[drucillica]

Why not necessary? Or should ppl say "the moving organism composed with different chemical that rape someone" to avoid political incorrectness?

That's funny because if this was an asian dude and OP said "asian" in his description, there'd be a lot of pissed off people here.

[ali123]

Somewhere over there they cut off hands for stealing, etc.

Just referring to that type of society.

Yah Iran does that and i think Saudi Arabia also, Then again I saw a video of a guy in china having a big rock/ boulder rolled over his hand cause he stole something...

[G-Yo]

Jail will do just fine, this isn't the middle east.


Somewhere over there they cut off hands for stealing, etc.

Just referring to that type of society.

What does any of this have to do with the topic.

Think hard before you post.

[sixer]

What does any of this have to do with the topic.

Think hard before you post.

Did you even read all of the posts in this discussion? There all referencing previous posts. Thanks for coming out, your a real contribution yourself. Go post a deal or something.

[Sohjonn]

in canada? in ontario? Ottawa!?! Sad and disturbing news for all of us today. I hope the victim, Carlton faculty and students can recover from this.

[ricoboxing]

Jail will do just fine, this isn't the middle east.

in 2 years he will be out to rape again!

if it happened to someone you knew, i think you would have a different view.

[mself084]

i heard about this on the weekend - what was she doing in a lab at like 2am by herself, the week before school started? doesn't excuse what happened, i know, but she had to have broken some sort of faculty policy by being there that late.

Hope they find that SOB

[Stock R]

i heard about this on the weekend - what was she doing in a lab at like 2am by herself, the week before school started? doesn't excuse what happened, i know, but she had to have broken some sort of faculty policy by being there that late.

Hope they find that SOB

grad student maybe?

hope they find the guy.

[Nikita]

Is the white part really necessary?

On a forum where absolutely everyone is so quick to point out when a black person has committed a crime (yet nobody seems to question that), turnaround is fair play.

[Yaowsers]

On a forum where absolutely everyone is so quick to point out when a black person has committed a crime (yet nobody seems to question that), turnaround is fair play.
Yup I agree.

Just like how bad drivers and bootleg DVDs spawn the image of Asians.

Totally fair play in my books.

[drucillica]

Yup I agree.

Just like how bad drivers and bootleg DVDs spawn the image of Asians.

Totally fair play in my books.

Just like how bad drivers and bootleg DVDs spawn the image of Asians, rape spawns an image of a white person???? O_O

[mself084]

have you guys seen the topic of the thread?

[Nikita]

have you guys seen the topic of the thread?

Yes, it included a description of the suspect as 'white'. What's your point?

[stealth]

i heard about this on the weekend - what was she doing in a lab at like 2am by herself, the week before school started? doesn't excuse what happened, i know, but she had to have broken some sort of faculty policy by being there that late.

Hope they find that SOB

There probably wasnt a policy for that. When I was in univ. I was working in a research lab on various projects, some paid, some were leading up to my undergraduate thesis. We often worked at various times of days or night, with out restriction. However we did have keys to some of the different lab rooms and the vivarium (where the live animals are kept) required a pass code that was routinely updated, and this area was not even on the school map so as to avoid protesters and vandals. During the holiday breaks (xmas) some times we were required to enter in through the main doors and sign in and out with security, but this was rare.

[TenzoR]

Is the white part really necessary?

Unless the description is wrong from the article, it's the truth so I don't think it matter? It's not a racial thing ..

[mself084]

Yes, it included a description of the suspect as 'white'. What's your point?

my point: the thread is supposed to be about a terrible incident at a canadian university....not about racial bickering. stay on topic

there are live animals at carleton? i didnt know that. i am intrigued

edit: stealth - there had to be SOME policy regarding lab use... even if it involved locking the door. anything could happen to someone in there alone (and it did).

[G-Yo]

Did you even read all of the posts in this discussion? There all referencing previous posts. Thanks for coming out, your a real contribution yourself. Go post a deal or something.

Who is the one that brought up the topic of the middle east ?

And what does it have to do with the actual rape ?

Furthermore, if you cant see the problem with a comment like;


Somewhere over there they cut off hands for stealing, etc.

Just referring to that type of society.

then I dont know what to say.

[Lone_Prodigy]

I'm not surprised at where this thread is going... when you post a news article about a topic like this what else can you say besides "that's horrible, hope they catch him/her, etc."?

[stealth]

I'm not surprised at where this thread is going... when you post a news article about a topic like this what else can you say besides "that's horrible, hope they catch him/her, etc."?

Very true.

I think some of the controversy stems around the fairness of this:
"Hope they catch the white bastard!"
Although it doesnt bother me personally, it sounds awkward, and I have to wonder how many would be ok if the story had been different and a white guy here posted:
"Hope they catch the Chinese bastard"
or
"Hope they catch the black bastard".
or
"hope they catch the Arab bastard"

Although it may be accurate, as a descriptor, its unnecessary and comes across as instigatory.

[shampoo]

Such a heinous crime has no excuse; such a person who commits this type of crime should be put to death, of course, only if proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt. These types of ppl are disease for the society and the sooner you get rid of them the better. I see no other solution, since even if he gets caught and goes to jail once he comes out he will almost 100% do it again, and probably be more daring and violent. Not only the victim but her family also has to live with this for rest of their lives. This type of crime against one person is against the whole society. Because not only the victim and her family are suffering but the ppl around them are also suffering because they probably feel unsafe, sad, angered.

Before you open your mouth answer this, what punishment would you subscribe to a person who brutally rapes your sister, mother, wife or daughter? Ofcourse, a sane person with some dignity would say that they want to see such a person dead. Then why the double standard when someone is raped not related to you.

Do this couple of times and you will see such crimes go down substantially.

[stealth]

Such a heinous crime has no excuse; such a person who commits this type of crime should be put to death, of course, only if proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt. These types of ppl are disease for the society and the sooner you get rid of them the better. I see no other solution, since even if he gets caught and goes to jail once he comes out he will almost 100% do it again, and probably be more daring and violent. Not only the victim but her family also has to live with this for rest of their lives. This type of crime against one person is against the whole society. Because not only the victim and her family are suffering but the ppl around them are also suffering because they probably feel unsafe, sad, angered.

Before you open your mouth answer this, what punishment would you subscribe to a person who brutally rapes your sister, mother, wife or daughter? Ofcourse, a sane person with some dignity would say that they want to see such a person dead. Then why the double standard when someone is raped not related to you.

Do this couple of times and you will see such crimes go down substantially.

Its been discussed ad nauseam in a thread on capital punishment. No need repeating it here. You'd be surprised at how many thought if they were in the situation you describe they would still be ok with just a jail term on the off chance the accused was falsely tried.

[stealth]

my point: the thread is supposed to be about a terrible incident at a canadian university....not about racial bickering. stay on topic

there are live animals at carleton? i didnt know that. i am intrigued

edit: stealth - there had to be SOME policy regarding lab use... even if it involved locking the door. anything could happen to someone in there alone (and it did).

I dont know about Carleton, these days. But UofT certainly did/does, and I'd bet Carleton does too in a hidden corner somewhere. Google some psychology journals for submissions from Carleton researchers and see what you come up with in terms of use of rats, etc.
*edit* here you go:
http://www.carleton.ca/psychology/faculty/kelly.html
http://jn.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/94/3/2171

All the doors automatically closed and locked when I worked /studied in the Uof T labs. Although I suppose some of them (non electronic)could be just wedged open by a student if they were coming and going frequently, perhaps pushing carts or carrying equipment. I personally see it as an inside job. Cant rule out a lock malfunction either, but the odds are against it.
What you have to remember is, for a study to be publishable (what every science prof LIVES FOR) meticulous methodology maust be adhered to....which could include data collection at a particular time of day, perhaps every 12/24hrs, perhaps in adherence to the animals day/night cycles (particularly where hormones are concerned), etc. Any variance from this, and you may as well throw the entire study and its funding, into the garbage. Based on the importance that schools put on getting published, and research reputation, its unlikely there will be a policy limitting this just because "school is out" or "its late".

Lets not get too caught up in policy. Its against policy in a way to jay walk, but it doesnt entitle someone to speed up and run down someone who disobeys policy. Bottom line, policy or not, this guy was cold blooded methodically planned his crime and staked out/stalked his victim.

[Bytown]

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=61a95ba6-8f33-4301-b574-eb11fd1e3eef&k=31320

Hope they catch the white bastard!

That is a racist remark.

[YnD]

That is a racist remark.

OH please... like you haven't heard worse on TV...

[Lone_Prodigy]

That is a racist remark.

The word "racist" has become so overused and misused that its definition has really fallen by the wayside.

What if the OP said "hope they catch the upstanding citizen of society who suffered a lack of judgment due to excessive inebriation"?

Face it, every time you watch the news and they describe suspects, almost always the first or second word used is the race. "The suspect is described as [sex], [race], etc."

[stealth]

OH please... like you haven't heard worse on TV...

We'll be sure and remember to quote that that next time someone ignorant in this forum says "ch!nk" or "n!gger".

[Peckerwood]

http://www.a-human-right.com/s_getwhat.jpg

[goob3r]

That is a racist remark.

Hope they catch that jean wearing bastard!

[stealth]

University of Toronto uses dogs and rats for research (maybe other animals ???).

If a dog is lucky, someone will adopt him after the research is over.

But most likely, most of the dogs are put to death.

People who give their dogs away for free- it's possible that the dog will end up in a research lab.

:arrow:

Source, Keanefan?

I can say with confidence that although it occurs in some rare instances (I have seen some dogs and monkeys at the UofT labs years ago), it is EXTREMELY rare. Consistency is extremely impoirtant in research as is cost effectiveness. When using rats for instance, in a particular study, they will use all rats from a particular breeder, all of the same breed, and in almost all cases the same age (within a few weeks at most). This is important to ensure that the effects seen in the research are not due to any confounding circumstance related to age, breed, health predisposition, and other effects. It is unlikely that random dogs will be used in Frankenstein type experiments as PETA and other groups would have you believe, as there is almost nothing to be gained from it, plus it is something that even scientists in many cases would not be comfortable with.
It is cheaper and more practical in almost all cases to use specially bred rats, mice, rabbits, even insects, etc.
Although there may be some use of dogs and other larger animals at Guelph's Vet sciences school.
Animals are put to death only when required in the experiment (e.g. to analyse tissue for hormones, damage, etc.). Very specific protocol is mandated for extinguishing the animal so that pain is minimized, usually involving pre-anesthesia, followed by a general relaxant to stop the heart, but sometimes involving cervical dislocation which is actually even less painful for the animal, but more disturbing for the scientist and anyone watching.
If you would like any more info on research labs, I happy to answer any ques. in PM or another thread, but lets face it, none of this has anything to do with the original topic.

Actually, maybe this thread should be locked since almost all the discussion has been off topic?

[nsx]

York student sexually assaulted in dorm (http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/254521)


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Update: >:( :mad:

Dorm rapes stun York U (http://www.thestar.com/News/article/254607)


Residents of a York University dormitory huddled in a common area yesterday trying to digest news that two sexual predators had roamed their hallways, stealing into dorm rooms, raping two women and trying to attack a third.

[NiMSo]

York student sexually assaulted in dorm (http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/254521)

Just heard this on the news... :( :mad:

This is terrible. You can't even feel safe anymore on campus.

[Takada]

York student sexually assaulted in dorm (http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/254521)


Hope they catch the blue jean-wearing bastard!

Your 100% PC post.

[lochlan651]

Brutal rape....

Is any rape not brutal?

[kgen]

Aren't campus buildings usually carded? (especially residences?)
Hope they catch these sickos.

[Mehrtens]

Brutal rape....

Is any rape not brutal?

Female teacher male student sex isn't brutal. :lol:

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/9734/59914641ur3.jpg

[kuqdew]

How do you castrate yourself? I can understand someone else doing it for you but damn...

How do you piss?

[lochlan651]

Female teacher male student sex isn't brutal. :lol:

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/9734/59914641ur3.jpg

Then you are obviously a 12 year old who has not actually dealt with his hormones yet.

Rape is rape. And its brutal regardless of whom the rapist is, or who the raped is.

[Steeve Urkel]

in canada? in ontario? Ottawa!?! Sad and disturbing news for all of us today. I hope the victim, Carlton faculty and students can recover from this.

What is also disturbing is that there was an assault right behind my house or the street right behind it. I can't find the original article i saw but found another one just now.

Apparently this guy who is "south-Asian" (wtf is south asian anyways...??" pretended to be a cop and assaulted a woman during the day.

http://www.ottawapolice.ca/en/serving_ottawa/media_room/news.cfm?nr_id=4662

I never open my door to anyone around here unless I know them.

I also really hate walking around my place at night as most of it is not lit. I live closest to the street so it is ok, but for the other people who live in the units further down there are no lights between the condo units so it is kind of creepy....

[ronny1980]

Apparently this guy who is "south-Asian" (wtf is south asian anyways...??" pretended to be a cop and assaulted a woman during the day.


South-Asian countries consists of India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Maldives so on....