Ontario push for Ontario Beer Keg Registry.

[UrbanPoet]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2007/08/30/ot-keg-070830.html#skip300x250
Its about time. ;)

[i6s1]

Yes. Because beer only comes in kegs.

And because nobody would ever think to have someone pick up the keg who has an address other then the party location.

[Shaner]

More laws, more rules, more government, such a sad world we now live in.

Instead of promoting responsibility and good parenting, we'll just continue to let the police and politicians decide how we should live our lives.

[Shaner]

The following quote is my biggest problem with this idea:


Ghadban said he doesn't see why people would have a problem with police showing up at their parties if they have nothing to hide.

I am generally pro-police, but there is absolutely no reason for cops to show up a party unless there is evidence that a criminal offence has occurred, or the party has become unruly. I am strongly against the police showing up to parties to make sure nothing illegal is going on. I would have a big, big problem if a cop showed up to my house (party or not) and asked to come in to make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong, even though he/she had absolutely no evidence of any wrongdoing.

Last time I checked, buying beer isn't illegal, whether it's 100 kegs at once, or a measly six pack. As far as I'm concerned, it's none of the cops business why someone is getting numerous kegs at once.

[curtis]

Ghadban said he doesn't see why people would have a problem with police showing up at their parties if they have nothing to hide.


I can think of one - fabrication of evidence.

[i6s1]

The following quote is my biggest problem with this idea:



I am generally pro-police, but there is absolutely no reason for cops to show up a party unless there is evidence that a criminal offence has occurred, or the party has become unruly. I am strongly against the police showing up to parties to make sure nothing illegal is going on. I would have a big, big problem if a cop showed up to my house (party or not) and asked to come in to make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong, even though he/she had absolutely no evidence of any wrongdoing.

Last time I checked, buying beer isn't illegal, whether it's 100 kegs at once, or a measly six pack. As far as I'm concerned, it's none of the cops business why someone is getting numerous kegs at once.

True.

The other thing that puts it into perspective is if you've ever had to try to get a rowdy party shut down. The cops won't come unless you see a weapon or unless a bunch of people call in a noise complaint, and even then the priority is lowest of the low.

Do these cops honestly believe that they have time to proactively show up undercover at random parties?

[king_george]

Ghadban said he doesn't see why people would have a problem with police showing up at their parties if they have nothing to hide.

I wonder if that's what they say in Ottawa before conducting illegal searches?

"If you have nothing to hide then you can let us search your house and car"..

More police state thinking and tactics.

If a cop showed up at my door after buying a keg I'd tell him to **** off and leave us alone unless he can show a crime being committed or whatever. Then if they got in I'd videotape them doing whatever they plan on doing. Then I make a complaint.

[dre145]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2007/08/30/ot-keg-070830.html#skip300x250
Its about time. ;)

wow just wow

how in thier right mind are they trying to pass a bill like this. Also do people always have parties at home??? if so why not have a friend pick up the keg and bring it to ur house....

how the hell would this law work, Better yet put gps devices inside the keg so the police can track every single keg in town......

WOW.............

[Nikita]

I am generally pro-police, but there is absolutely no reason for cops to show up a party unless there is evidence that a criminal offence has occurred, or the party has become unruly. I am strongly against the police showing up to parties to make sure nothing illegal is going on. I would have a big, big problem if a cop showed up to my house (party or not) and asked to come in to make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong, even though he/she had absolutely no evidence of any wrongdoing.

Last time I checked, buying beer isn't illegal, whether it's 100 kegs at once, or a measly six pack. As far as I'm concerned, it's none of the cops business why someone is getting numerous kegs at once.

+1....and I don't even drink.

[isom3tric]

This past wednesday I went to a kegger and there was 12 of them :|

[i6s1]

This past wednesday I went to a kegger and there was 12 of them :|

Undercover cops?

[isom3tric]

No kegs, lol

[mself084]

If a cop showed up at my door after buying a keg I'd tell him to **** off and leave us alone

OK there, big guy.

I can see the merits of registering kegs... I think people take it a bit too seriously. I really doubt cops would be staking out keg parties on the weekend when they have much more to worry about. Keg registry means they can guess where parties are happening and know to maybe drive by once or twice throughout the night to make sure everything is OK. That being said, if for some reason they put cops undercover to try and uncover underage drinking...that's a waste of time.

[pfbmgd]

OK there, big guy.

I can see the merits of registering kegs... I think people take it a bit too seriously. I really doubt cops would be staking out keg parties on the weekend when they have much more to worry about. Keg registry means they can guess where parties are happening and know to maybe drive by once or twice throughout the night to make sure everything is OK. That being said, if for some reason they put cops undercover to try and uncover underage drinking...that's a waste of time.

Ya that sounds great .It will work just as good as the gun registry.A few billion wasted for what ?

Do you think cops drive by gun owners houses to check on them ?

I doubt they would drive by house parties .I hope they have better things to do .

[stealth]

OK there, big guy.

I can see the merits of registering kegs... I think people take it a bit too seriously. I really doubt cops would be staking out keg parties on the weekend when they have much more to worry about. Keg registry means they can guess where parties are happening and know to maybe drive by once or twice throughout the night to make sure everything is OK. That being said, if for some reason they put cops undercover to try and uncover underage drinking...that's a waste of time.

Rather than doing this, how about cops spend their cash strapped budgets working on solving and preventing real crimes?

Besides, the sentence I bolded pretty much contradicts the sentence underlined. Are they or arent they going to act on this info? If we're going through the expense and effort of this program, then there should be the intention to make use of this information (which I do not support), otherwise its a complete waste.

Gotta love the way the media takes a few small incidents and turns them into the new scourge of society (keg parties, street racing/ modded cars), while more pervasive issues such as drunk driving are considered to be too stale to write about/act on.

[65505201]

Rather than doing this, how about cops spend their cash strapped budgets working on solving and preventing real crimes?

Besides, the sentence I bolded pretty much contradicts the sentence underlined. Are they or arent they going to act on this info? If we're going through the expense and effort of this program, then there should be the intention to make use of this information (which I do not support), otherwise its a complete waste.

Gotta love the way the media takes a few small incidents and turns them into the new scourge of society (keg parties, street racing/ modded cars), while more pervasive issues such as drunk driving are considered to be too stale to write about/act on.

+1

Sexy/outrageous things sell papers and get votes.

[mself084]

Rather than doing this, how about cops spend their cash strapped budgets working on solving and preventing real crimes?

Besides, the sentence I bolded pretty much contradicts the sentence underlined. Are they or arent they going to act on this info? If we're going through the expense and effort of this program, then there should be the intention to make use of this information (which I do not support), otherwise its a complete waste.

Gotta love the way the media takes a few small incidents and turns them into the new scourge of society (keg parties, street racing/ modded cars), while more pervasive issues such as drunk driving are considered to be too stale to write about/act on.

Doesn't really contradict. By staking out I mean having a team of 6-12 cops watching a party and getting ready to go in and shut it down. By driving past, I mean just that - they know where a big party is happening, so they can make sure to drive past to make sure everything is OK on their regular patrols. The idea being that they are aware of something going on, and are heightened to potential problems that can arise.

[i6s1]

Doesn't really contradict. By staking out I mean having a team of 6-12 cops watching a party and getting ready to go in and shut it down. By driving past, I mean just that - they know where a big party is happening, so they can make sure to drive past to make sure everything is OK on their regular patrols. The idea being that they are aware of something going on, and are heightened to potential problems that can arise.

Realistically, do you expect that a cop would spend the day driving from brewery to brewery, compiling a useless list of address where these parties are NOT going to be, then they'll somehow distribute this list to patrol cars, who aparently will have nothing better to do then drive by a house and make sure there's nobody stabbing someone on the front lawn?

They won't even have proper addresses. If they are somehow stupid enough to come out with this system, the first thing that would happen is that people would just get someone else to pickup the keg. If I was going to throw a party at my place, would I pickup the keg knowing that police would be cruising by, knocking at my door, telling me that if I have nothing to hide then I should let them in?

No fing way. I'd get a friend to pick up the keg(s), and let the police waste thier ample free time crusing by his place, wonder what day the party was going to be.

Yeah, that's right. What day is the party going to be? If I buy a keg on Monday, cops have no idea what day the party will be. So they'll have my address. Will they drive by my place for a week? Will they assume that it's Friday or Saturday? Honestly, why would a cop want to waste this much time? How many crimes will it prevent or solve knowing the address of someone who bought a keg?

If you're going to support a keg registry, you've got to explain to us how you would realistically solve these problems.

[hagbard]

More laws, more rules, more government, such a sad world we now live in.

Instead of promoting responsibility and good parenting, we'll just continue to let the police and politicians decide how we should live our lives.

Bloody anarchist! :D

[king_george]

OK there, big guy.

I can see the merits of registering kegs... I think people take it a bit too seriously. I really doubt cops would be staking out keg parties on the weekend when they have much more to worry about. Keg registry means they can guess where parties are happening and know to maybe drive by once or twice throughout the night to make sure everything is OK. That being said, if for some reason they put cops undercover to try and uncover underage drinking...that's a waste of time.
I can see another magnificent use of our police resources. Forget hookers, drugs, illegal gambling, gangs, etc etc. Theres a KEGGER THAT NEEDS TO BE BUSTED!!!

I'd still tell them to **** off and leave. Done it before at a new years party when they wanted to come in and look around and I'll surely do it again under the same circumstances.

I wonder when the registering of things like this will end? What's next? Groceries? :D Dog food? :confused:

Looks like another make-work program for the bureaucracy.

[corrupt123]

Cost of a 58.6L keg of Molson Canadian, Including Tap Rental: $224.55

Cost of 58.6L of Molson Canadian in bottles (24 bottles/case): $260.28
Cost of 58.6L of Molson Canadian in bottles (28 bottles/case): $223.09
Cost of 58.6L of Molson Canadian in cans (24 cans/case): 275.12

Now, obviously the numbers are a little skewed because when buying bottles you couldn't buy a fraction of a bottle or case. But clearly, when it comes right down to it, you only save a couple bucks by buying a keg. Hell, during promo's like 28 for 24, it's actually cheaper! If people really wanted to, they could just buy equal quantities of bottled/canned beer for slightly more money.

[65505201]

I can see another magnificent use of our police resources. Forget hookers, drugs, illegal gambling, gangs, etc etc. Theres a KEGGER THAT NEEDS TO BE BUSTED!!!

I'd still tell them to **** off and leave. Done it before at a new years party when they wanted to come in and look around and I'll surely do it again under the same circumstances.

I wonder when the registering of things like this will end? What's next? Groceries? :D Dog food? :confused:

Looks like another make-work program for the bureaucracy.

Actually...if the government can make money off of it, they just might do it.