Peak Saver Program

[raptorfan]

I just got a letter from Hydro One concerning this program. Has anyone here signed up for it? Any info? What's it about and is it worth it? I went to the website but the link didn't seem to be working. If I can conserve and save some $ then I'd be interested.

[pintobean]

I am part of this program.

My system was installed on October 22, so I couldn't tell you anything about electricity savings yet...I will post an update when I get my next bill (which will probably be in December).

For what it's worth, my most recent bill came yesterday and covered the 60 day period from August 23 to October 23. I am kinda shocked at how high it was...they said I used 1041 kWh during that time period...by comparison, I only used 596 kWh during the exact same time frame last year. I am looking into this right now - the only thing that changed is that they installed a Smart Meter sometime during September of this year. I hope that they somehow didn't screw things up, as I find it hard to believe that my electricity usage went up almost 75% since last year.

[sunnyd71]

Please post a picture of the thermostat they give you. I just signed up and am wondering if it is an improvement to my old thermostat.

[coxdnn]

We had the PeakSaver installed on our AC. It is just a switch that turns the power off to the AC compressor when the utility is experiencing a potential lack of power in the system. This prevents the utility from being forced to buy expensive power from out-of-province, or potential black-outs.

You would be hard pressed to measure a difference in your monthly power consumption. The switch only activates for 15 minutes evey hour, but only in one of these power shortages. As more people participate in this program, they won't need to build as many new power plants. So that could save everyone some money. In the short term though, the $25 they gave us was good.

Cheers

[stealth]

How do the smart meters work? Do you get charged more for usage in peak hours or less for usage in off peak hours? Any of the gov't sites just spew out ecofriendly marketing speak without any real info.

[Jucius Maximus]

Does PeakSaver apply for condo towers?

[astroboi]

We received a letter too. In the list of requirements it didn't mention internet. Does this mean that they'll pay for it? :D

[sunnyd71]

I believe the unit connects to the Cellular Phone data network... that is the only wireless internet connection in my area so I assume it is correct. Anyone know for sure?

[jerryhung]

any link?
any info? how much it costs?


I am curious to know as well, not that I am a heavy user with little # of people in the household, but my original assumption was it's for companies rather individuals

[AndrewRFD]

any link?
any info? how much it costs?


I am curious to know as well, not that I am a heavy user with little # of people in the household, but my original assumption was it's for companies rather individuals

It's free. Have a look at the post from the green deals section. (http://www.redflagdeals.com/deals/main.php/alldeals/comments/peaksaver_lower_energy_use_bills_in_ontario_free_p rogrammable_thermostat_25)

[DaVibe]

"Your power company will then be able to cycle down your air conditioning or other applicable appliance temporarily at select times. It will help reduce the strain on the electricity system on summer days when electricity use is at its peak."

I'll control it myself, thanks.

[jerryhung]

It's free. Have a look at the post from the green deals section. (http://www.redflagdeals.com/deals/main.php/alldeals/comments/peaksaver_lower_energy_use_bills_in_ontario_free_p rogrammable_thermostat_25)

Thanks, as I suspected, no KW yet (no Waterloo North Hydro or Kitchener Wilmont Hydro on the list)

[winger]

Oshawa Hydro has a pretty good FAQ page:
http://www.opuc.on.ca/conservation/peak-saver-faqs/

As other posters have said, there probably won't be any significant $ savings on your bill because it is only meant to reduce the demand during peak period, i.e. VERY hot summer day. At other times when the system is not strained, it will not cycle down your AC.


Others have asked about Smart Meters. Smart Meters are completely separate from Peak Saver. Smart Meters are physical meters installed in your house that are capable of measuring how much electricity you use, when you use it. (Old meters only keep and accumulated measure) Smart Meters are installed because the Ontario Energy Board would like to implement a different pricing structure called the Time of Use system - basically you'll get charged more during on-peak periods to encourage shifting electrical demand to off-peak hours. More info is available from IESO: http://www.ieso.ca/imoweb/infoCentre/ic_index.asp

Cheers! :razz:

[djltoronto]

I just got off the phone with the peaksaver toll free number for Oshawa...

after trying to find out more info on the specific model of the thermostat, this is all they could tell me.

No backlighting on the display
Not touchscreen
Not 7 day programable (it's 5 + 2)
Made by Honeywell

This is all she could give me. And she didn;t really sound like she knew much about the whole program at all.

She could not tell me the model number.
She could not confirm if I would have live access VIA the web to adjust temperatures for when I'm not home.

The lack of info is making me opt out.
My 7 day programable thermostat will work just fine, and I like to be able to control my own temperature.

[MacGyver]

I looked into this too, the thermostat is made by Cannon Technologies (the one pictured in this link: http://www.cannontech.com/products/dr.asp ) and has the Honeywell name and body. A pager is inside that will allow you to change things remotely, as well as allow the utility to set back your temperature setpoint during peak summer times.

This is all I could find out about the thermostat. The HydroOne SmartStat office doesn't have a clue. My neighbour has one, and I got a quick look at it. Seems to be all soft button control (no slider switches for heat-off-cool and fan-auto) so I don't know if you can schedule fan operation, etc.

I just said forget it. I'd rather buy something that I know will do what I want, even if this is "free"

[Hangar18]

I had the peaksaver thermostat installed last November. Just had it uninstalled 2 weeks ago. I was really keen on the web control and programming. The problem was the web control only worked twice out of the many times I tried it.

Called customer service, the call centre in in Georgia or something. The CSR's I spoke to were all rude and not well educated in technical support. I finally threw in the towel and told them to uninstall it when the CSR told me she could control my computer if she logged into my profile online. I laughed and went along with it.

She logs in and is asking me if I can see the buttons she's clicking on the website. It was pretty funny.

[JAC]

I found the notion of giving control of your thermostat to someone else quite unappealing, myself. Not to mention the issues inherent with linking it to the internet. I imagine it'd be quite amusing, though, to hack someone elses thermostat.

[MacGyver]

The SmartStat is not connected to the internet. Either you or your power company control the thermostat by going to a web portal, and then commands are sent to it via pager.

[Hangar18]

The SmartStat is not connected to the internet. Either you or your power company control the thermostat by going to a web portal, and then commands are sent to it via pager.

You're right, but if someone figured out your account number and password (my company set my default pw as my last name!), you could mess around with the temperature settings in someone's house pretty easy.

[cdnNick]

We are suppose to be getting this installed in April, I wonder if it's even worth it, doesn't sound like it works to well. They already screwed up the first appointment by coming 2 hours earlier they the confirmed time so no one was home.

[a109664]

Hi there,
I work at Honeywell and I am involved in the process of setting up the peak savers..
First .. I have one installed in my house because I believe in it.
Now just to clear some doubts.. the TSTAT is a Honey well TSTAT . You wouldnt be able to find this model in the market because its a specially designed unit for this program. Runs on a wireless technology.. the same way as a pager.. the same frequency.. In other words its like a pager..
You cannot view the TSTAT online you can just make changes to it. Try it once when your home that way you know it would work when your away ...
The reason for this is, its going to be expensive to have a technology that can communicate both ways, Plus the utility does not want private info as to what temp you set your TSTAT to?
As I have been reading through the conversation I see people belive your TSTAT is being controlled and another question about saving ?
Well first we all need to do our part to save. Have you thought about what we going to be giving to our kids when we leave?
The peak saver is a summer program which runs just for the A.C. So in the summer during days of high energy demand, your utility is going to increase youe TSTAT temp by 1 or 2 degree celcius. SO if you have it set to 20 itw ould go up to 21 or 22. Just for a mere of 4 hours.
If your house is well insulated it would take 1 hr to drop the temp by 1 degree. If you have a fan running it would compensate for the 1 - 2 degree change.
The program is just run in during weekdays usually between 12 noon-6pm.
not on weekened or holidays..
So for people who are working its not even an issue. The other things is , they do not run it everyday. May be 3-4 times for the whole summer.
You should ask people who have the peak saver installed, have they every felt it very hot when they run the program? The answer would be, no we did not even notice.
I have small kids in the house and my elderly mom and we never had an issue from 2 summers.
Some utilities are installing switches and some are installing TSTAT. They are talking about changing the model , with a better model. With a back light and some more features. The problem is, its a govt funded project and the money is tight. Thats the reason for using this TSTAT.
I am involved with the canada project, there is one in the U.S too..
For further info go to www.peaksaver.com or go to your utility website and they can assist you.
Have a nice day

[BillyLo]

Called Powerstream today and the person does not want to explain anything on the phone but just repeatedly ask if I want to join the program. Not helpful at all

[MacGyver]

Hi there,
I work at Honeywell and I am involved in the process of setting up the peak savers..Thanks for the info. We have no qualms about how the peaksaver aspect works. What we need is a PDF instruction manual for this thing, so we can see what ELSE it's capable of because that's what consumers care about. Peaksaver is fine and dandy, but otherwise is this thermostat better than the 5+2 programmable model I have now? If not, why would I have it installed in my home?

Unless the instructions are a classified document - because nobody from any of the utilities wants to explain anything in detail.

[a109664]

Thanks for the info. We have no qualms about how the peaksaver aspect works. What we need is a PDF instruction manual for this thing, so we can see what ELSE it's capable of because that's what consumers care about. Peaksaver is fine and dandy, but otherwise is this thermostat better than the 5+2 programmable model I have now? If not, why would I have it installed in my home?

Unless the instructions are a classified document - because nobody from any of the utilities wants to explain anything in detail.

here is the link to the manual
http://www.instruccionesweb.com/u2/pdf/termostato/Honeywell-T7512A-en.pdf

[a109664]

Called Powerstream today and the person does not want to explain anything on the phone but just repeatedly ask if I want to join the program. Not helpful at all

Take the name of the rep and talk to the supervisor? This is a great program to get into.
I have a detailed version of the program in this forum. If you need specifics just ask

[ferkel]

I also removed the Peaksaver device.. what a waste of taxpayers money. It's a totally useless device... Toronto Hydro doesn't even offer a choice of thermostat. It's just a big brick sized box that they attach to your outside wall.. that attaches to your air conditioner.

they should expose this HydroPeaksaver scam along with eHealth Ontario since I'm sure this is costing us billions of tax payer dollars

[240sxer]

I just signed up for this program and getting it installed next month..

OttawaHydro has a good FAQ
https://www.hydroottawa.com/conservation/index.cfm?lang=e&template_id=416

And I like the $25 gift, along with being able to control it from home and having a nice bright touch display from honeywell..

[superporky]

...your utility is going to increase your TSTAT temp by 1 or 2 degree celcius. SO if you have it set to 20 itw ould go up to 21 or 22. Just for a mere of 4 hours....

Does anyone know if the the temperature increase is relative to each homes average home temperature? I keep my AC at 25, I find that another degree or two higher makes a big difference. If most people keep their temp at 21-22 then it sounds like I am already doing my part to save the planet. Do the 3 pc's I run 24/7 count?...don't answer.

[azin sansation]

I recently called Toronto Hydro to remove the peaksaver device, but they've just sent me the gift card code. Am I still allow to redeem the gift card or will we slap a fee or penalty on my next bill?

[Green_Star]

Can some one post the pictures of this thermostat? What info this thermostat display shows? I am under Waterloo North Hydro.

[pintobean]

Can some one post the pictures of this thermostat? What info this thermostat display shows? I am under Waterloo North Hydro.
I don't know if Waterloo is using the same thermostat as Markham, but if you go to the website below, you can see a picture of the touchscreen thermostat that Markham customers will receive (it's in the middle of the page).

http://www.powerstream.ca/app/pages/CONWELCOME.jsp?para=showPage&docId=peaksaver&section=CONPRORES

[Green_Star]

I don't know if Waterloo is using the same thermostat as Markham, but if you go to the website below, you can see a picture of the touchscreen thermostat that Markham customers will receive (it's in the middle of the page).

http://www.powerstream.ca/app/pages/CONWELCOME.jsp?para=showPage&docId=peaksaver&section=CONPRORES

Thank you. Looks like waterloo also using same one. Can you point to this thermostat specs? I would like to know whether this one shows the humidity and can it control my humidifier?

[mhepco]

Doesn't look like it has humidity control :(. I found a user guide here:
http://www.powerstream.ca/ContentMgr/attachments/PowerStream-UtilityPro-QuickReferenceGuide.pdf

[HANSDEBERLIN]

I am a peak saver thermostat installer and I wonder why woud anyone want to install it. Do you really want more government control in your house?
Hydro already checks your daily electric consumption. Why would you want to let big brother into your bedroom? I think it is just another scam. Whom do you think benifits from this scam? Honeywell never issued tenders when they subcontructed installation. It is a maffia business!

Waste of taxpayers money!!!

[Green_Star]

I am a peak saver thermostat installer and I wonder why woud anyone want to install it. Do you really want more government control in your house?
Hydro already checks your daily electric consumption. Why would you want to let big brother into your bedroom? I think it is just another scam. Whom do you think benifits from this scam? Honeywell never issued tenders when they subcontructed installation. It is a maffia business!

Waste of taxpayers money!!!

I do not agree with this. I do not think Hydro is spending taxpayers money on this, they are spending from the gains of annual profits. Here my thoughts
Pros

You will get a nice thermostat for free
You can control the thermostat thru internet
Hydro can turn up your thermostat tempareture if there grid is on overload,(over load can trip there grid, if it is triped then they may have to spend lots of money to fix, thus we saving there money so they do not increse user charges

Cons

Annually they may control your thermostat 4-5 times, in business days and business hours


Now you decide which one benefits you.

[pintobean]

I am a peak saver thermostat installer and I wonder why woud anyone want to install it. Do you really want more government control in your house?
Hydro already checks your daily electric consumption. Why would you want to let big brother into your bedroom? I think it is just another scam. Whom do you think benifits from this scam? Honeywell never issued tenders when they subcontructed installation. It is a maffia business!

Waste of taxpayers money!!!
Please loosen your tin-foil hat before you cause yourself permanent damage.
Who cares if hydro checks my daily consumption?
They need to do that in order to bill me don't they?
And exactly how will this thermostat allow Big Brother into my bedroom?

I already have a programmable thermostat at home that essentially shuts down my AC during the day...I signed up for PeakSaver because their thermostat can be controlled through the internet which allows me to turn on the AC if I decide to leave work early. The fact that Hydro is giving me a bonus cheque is icing on top. I could care less if Honeywell or the mafia :lol: is making money off these things.

[yingkai]

You can download a copy of the PeakSaver ThermoSTAT from here:
https://buildingsolutions.honeywell.com/NR/rdonlyres/2EAF7A2E-0432-4935-86AB-CCAFABC5C4B8/116964/30b87712db4b4d2fa94c64190db8c91c.pdf?WT.ti=Operati ng+Manual+2010

Then you will know what you get and what can be done with it, either by you or the utility.

David

[Deevusone]

When you cancel from the Peaksaver program, do they come out and uninstall the thermostat, or do we get to keep it?

I called in to "opt-out" today since peaksaver was activated. They also told me that I have 5 "opt-outs" per season.

Now I'm rethinking to cancel the whole thing just because we have a newborn at home and is making my wife and baby uncomfortable.

[Deevusone]

When you cancel from the Peaksaver program, do they come out and uninstall the thermostat, or do we get to keep it?

I called in to "opt-out" today since peaksaver was activated. They also told me that I have 5 "opt-outs" per season.

Now I'm rethinking to cancel the whole thing just because we have a newborn at home and is making my wife and baby uncomfortable.

I called Hydro-One peaksaver and asked them what they'll do with the thermostat if I decided to cancel. The rep said that they'll put a request to have someone come out to my place and uninstall the thermostat, but in order for them to uninstall it, I need to have another thermostat available for them to install.

Instead of cancelling, the rep was kindly enough to give me a suggestion to stay comfortable at home when the weather is forecasted to be extremely hot and uncomfortable.

The rep advised me to set my temperature 1 or 2 degrees lower than preferred comfort level setting. The peaksaver program will only increase 1 degree or 2 degree (celcius) from your current temperature setting. So when the increase it, the adjusted temperature setting is still at your preferred comfort setting.

[hOrnizuka]

I called Hydro-One peaksaver and asked them what they'll do with the thermostat if I decided to cancel. The rep said that they'll put a request to have someone come out to my place and uninstall the thermostat, but in order for them to uninstall it, I need to have another thermostat available for them to install.

Instead of cancelling, the rep was kindly enough to give me a suggestion to stay comfortable at home when the weather is forecasted to be extremely hot and uncomfortable.

The rep advised me to set my temperature 1 or 2 degrees lower than preferred comfort level setting. The peaksaver program will only increase 1 degree or 2 degree (celcius) from your current temperature setting. So when the increase it, the adjusted temperature setting is still at your preferred comfort setting.

wait....i thought they cut the power off completely?

[niterider]

wait....i thought they cut the power off completely?

the fan stays on and the thermostat is adjusted a maximum of 2 degrees, and if I recall correctly it is only for a couple hours at a time.

I've had it for just over a year and while I assume it has been adjusted by the power distributor at least a few times, I have never noticed any temperature change in the house as a result. But I think it can only be adjusted Mon-Fri and during the day, so I'm usually at work.

[hOrnizuka]

the fan stays on and the thermostat is adjusted a maximum of 2 degrees, and if I recall correctly it is only for a couple hours at a time.

I've had it for just over a year and while I assume it has been adjusted by the power distributor at least a few times, I have never noticed any temperature change in the house as a result. But I think it can only be adjusted Mon-Fri and during the day, so I'm usually at work.

great thanks! I think I'm going to sign up for this program. :D

[sjparker]

The rep advised me to set my temperature 1 or 2 degrees lower than preferred comfort level setting. The peaksaver program will only increase 1 degree or 2 degree (celcius) from your current temperature setting. So when the increase it, the adjusted temperature setting is still at your preferred comfort setting.

That kind of defeats the purpose of this whole program. If people set the thermostat higher in the first place, they are using less energy. By setting it lower to offset for the odd time they do raise your temperature, you're using more energy MOST OF THE TIME.

I'm not a fan of the program. Why not just get a good programmable thermostat (with lots of rebates) and use it wisely with settings at higher temperatures for your AC.

Even better, open your windows at night to cool the house off and then close everything including the curtains during the day to keep the sun out. If you have a newer furnace, run the fan on "ON" not auto. It will circulate the cool air from the basement upstairs and keep the house comfortable without using AC at all. Our new furnace has a variable rate fan that uses the energy equivalent of a 40w light bulb to run at low speed. It works great and we hardly ever use the AC, including the last heat wave!

[MacGyver]

The real savings is not acheived by making your home slightly warmer; with PeakSaver it's how your AC is cycled in 15-minute increments. This allows hydro to alternate groups of AC units on and off, and shed up to 100MW of load province wide. The consequence is that your temperature may increase one or two degrees from whatever you have your setpoint at.

[Green_Star]

That kind of defeats the purpose of this whole program. If people set the thermostat higher in the first place, they are using less energy. By setting it lower to offset for the odd time they do raise your temperature, you're using more energy MOST OF THE TIME.

I'm not a fan of the program. Why not just get a good programmable thermostat (with lots of rebates) and use it wisely with settings at higher temperatures for your AC.

Even better, open your windows at night to cool the house off and then close everything including the curtains during the day to keep the sun out. If you have a newer furnace, run the fan on "ON" not auto. It will circulate the cool air from the basement upstairs and keep the house comfortable without using AC at all. Our new furnace has a variable rate fan that uses the energy equivalent of a 40w light bulb to run at low speed. It works great and we hardly ever use the AC, including the last heat wave!

Peaksaver program is not to save the energy, but it is to reduce the consumption load when ever they need. There goal is to turn off our A/C for one or two hours. So it doesnt mater at what temperature we set our A/C, it will turn off(temporarily) when they increased the temperature by 2-3 degrees.

[sjparker]

I really don't understand what the difference is between saving energy and reducing consumption. To me, they are the same thing.

If everyone sets their thermostat to 21 degrees, they are collectively using more energy than if they set there thermostat to 25 degrees. So peaksaver has to take all those 21 degree thermostats and cycle through them to spread the load. But if everyone had it set to 25, the load is less in the first place and less need to spread the load to avoid a brown out.

A warmer setting saves energy because the delta between indoor and outdoor temperature is smaller and therefore your AC needs to work less and use less and therefore a lower load on the system.

Peaksaver is needed because everyone sets the thermostat to low. If it was set higher, there's just less demand on the system.

[ferkel]

Peaksaver is basically increasing rates because consumption is being lowered, the utilities need to compensate with lower revenue by continiously increasing the rates..

[art luther]

"Your power company will then be able to cycle down your air conditioning or other applicable appliance temporarily at select times. It will help reduce the strain on the electricity system on summer days when electricity use is at its peak."

I'll control it myself, thanks.

+1
Along with everything else being controlled in our lives this is one less intrusion I can live without.
We have our AC set to 26 during the day and 24 at night. This is the happy medium my wife and I have agreed to. At this setting the AC will cycle on and off for about 30 mins at a time during the day. At night, if the temperature drops below 20 we open a window.

[Babbsy]

Peaksaver is basically increasing rates because consumption is being lowered, the utilities need to compensate with lower revenue by continiously increasing the rates..

This is exactly what will happen. After a year or so there will be reports that people have conserved to the point that not enough money is being made to cover the costs so the variable rates will rise or the fixed cost will rise or some type on new carbon tax etc. will be added to the bill.

Early July during the hot heat wave in Ontario I heard stories that Peak Saver was in adjusting thermos by 4-6 degrees in homes after 6pm due to the strain on the grid but when I watched CBC National I saw reports outlining the increase usage due to the heat but nothing the grid couldn’t handle.

[m2m]

Hopefully people who have had a Peaksaver thermostat can help me out to see if I am being fleeced? :(

My furnace stopped working this weekend and the repair person said the peaksaver thermostat was giving too much voltage and fried the gas valve and replaced both the thermostat and gas valve to tune of $400!

Anyone have to replace their gas valve or experience this problem and know if this is a known problem?

Thanks!

[Frankie3s]

This is exactly what will happen. After a year or so there will be reports that people have conserved to the point that not enough money is being made to cover the costs so the variable rates will rise or the fixed cost will rise or some type on new carbon tax etc. will be added to the bill.

Early July during the hot heat wave in Ontario I heard stories that Peak Saver was in adjusting thermos by 4-6 degrees in homes after 6pm due to the strain on the grid but when I watched CBC National I saw reports outlining the increase usage due to the heat but nothing the grid couldn’t handle.

I've been saying this for a long time myself. As people conserve and the utilities don't, ex: cutting staff, expenditures, etc., rate will have to go up. Conservation is a big scam pro-ported by the utilities and the government to justify hefty increases and the additional revenue through the sales taxes on those utilities.

[Frankie3s]

Hopefully people who have had a Peaksaver thermostat can help me out to see if I am being fleeced? :(

My furnace stopped working this weekend and the repair person said the peaksaver thermostat was giving too much voltage and fried the gas valve and replaced both the thermostat and gas valve to tune of $400!

Anyone have to replace their gas valve or experience this problem and know if this is a known problem?

Thanks!

I had a Honeywell thermostat that used to cycle the furnace on so much that that gas valve finally went. Apparently, the furnace is not supposed to come on more than 6 times per hour yet my thermostat was calling for heat double that. I replaced the gas valve and the thermostat (purchased a lux thermostat when Costco had sold them - awesome thermostat by the way) that could have it's "swing rate" adjusted to avoid the furnace from coming on so much ever again.

[timeoninternet]

Hopefully people who have had a Peaksaver thermostat can help me out to see if I am being fleeced? :(

My furnace stopped working this weekend and the repair person said the peaksaver thermostat was giving too much voltage and fried the gas valve and replaced both the thermostat and gas valve to tune of $400!

Anyone have to replace their gas valve or experience this problem and know if this is a known problem?

Thanks!

Give too much voltage? Could anybody explain more about this?

[Billa-786]

Hopefully people who have had a Peaksaver thermostat can help me out to see if I am being fleeced? :(

My furnace stopped working this weekend and the repair person said the peaksaver thermostat was giving too much voltage and fried the gas valve and replaced both the thermostat and gas valve to tune of $400!

Anyone have to replace their gas valve or experience this problem and know if this is a known problem?

Thanks!

I had a peaksaver thermostat installed this summer so I have a newer one. My furnace has not been working for about a month as i wait for a part i ordered online. for me it was the circuit board that went. Furnace turns on...and before fan can come on, it turns off. Cost for $400 for the board and around $600 for service charges and taxes, hence why i went online to order.

[CathieM]

I am a peak saver thermostat installer and I wonder why woud anyone want to install it. Do you really want more government control in your house?
Hydro already checks your daily electric consumption. Why would you want to let big brother into your bedroom? I think it is just another scam. Whom do you think benifits from this scam? Honeywell never issued tenders when they subcontructed installation. It is a maffia business!

Waste of taxpayers money!!!

We bought a house with a peaksaver thermostat, but we found it too complicated and didn't want a programable thermostat so replaced it with a simple non-programable Honeywell FocusPRO TH5000 thermostat. Since doing that, when we turn our furnace up in the morning (after having set it at 59F for the night) it continually goes on and off. I turn it up to 68F (from 59F) and it runs to about 62 or 63 and then goes off, then it starts right back up again and runs for another couple of degrees and then turns off and then on again. It does this about 4 times until it gets up to 68F, where it is set. I was able to contact the former owner by email and he said that there was something installed on the furnace that had something to do with the peaksaver thermostat. Is ther something we need to do when going back to a regular thermostat, afterhaving a Peaksaver?

[Mayoo]

We bought a house with a peaksaver thermostat, but we found it too complicated and didn't want a programable thermostat so replaced it with a simple non-programable Honeywell FocusPRO TH5000 thermostat. Since doing that, when we turn our furnace up in the morning (after having set it at 59F for the night) it continually goes on and off. I turn it up to 68F (from 59F) and it runs to about 62 or 63 and then goes off, then it starts right back up again and runs for another couple of degrees and then turns off and then on again. It does this about 4 times until it gets up to 68F, where it is set. I was able to contact the former owner by email and he said that there was something installed on the furnace that had something to do with the peaksaver thermostat. Is ther something we need to do when going back to a regular thermostat, afterhaving a Peaksaver?

Honeywell Themostat has Recycle time to be set. if you select Normal Furnace then it will turn on and off every 5min. If you select High Efficent then it will do every 15mins. Your Manual manual will how to set that.

[craigdcan]

We bought a house with a peaksaver thermostat, but we found it too complicated and didn't want a programable thermostat so replaced it with a simple non-programable Honeywell FocusPRO TH5000 thermostat. Since doing that, when we turn our furnace up in the morning (after having set it at 59F for the night) it continually goes on and off. I turn it up to 68F (from 59F) and it runs to about 62 or 63 and then goes off, then it starts right back up again and runs for another couple of degrees and then turns off and then on again. It does this about 4 times until it gets up to 68F, where it is set. I was able to contact the former owner by email and he said that there was something installed on the furnace that had something to do with the peaksaver thermostat. Is ther something we need to do when going back to a regular thermostat, afterhaving a Peaksaver?


You could have just pressed the button to override programming. "Hold", I believe.

But since it's now gone...did you 'opt out' of the Peaksaver program before you removed the unit?

It sounds like you either have a faulty thermostat or it's wired incorrectly.

[fieldhousehandyman]

Peaksaver is really just a sham, much like the tale of 'The Emperor's New Clothes'... It is essentially and very successfully marketed to wasteful individuals who want to think they are doing something good for the environment and societies benefit, wheras they are doing nothing of the sort.

I have owned a large Victorian home for just over ten years now, and I turn the air conditioner on manually at the thermostat only on the limited number of days in a summer where daytime highs are over 30, and overnight lows still in the mid to high 20's. Our air conditioner runs between 5 and 15 half days in an entire summer.

I don't understand people who need to cool their house to 21 degrees or less, so each time you walk in the door it is so cool you have to pull extra clothes on! Peaksaver should be cancelled, as it is quite simply a complete and utter waste of time and resources.

Use a setback thermostat with your AC, set to 28 degrees during the day (so it doesn't ever come on during the day), and reduce to 26 at night (so it only comes on the nights you really need it), and save yourself a thousand dollars or more a year!

[fergy]

Hopefully people who have had a Peaksaver thermostat can help me out to see if I am being fleeced? :(

My furnace stopped working this weekend and the repair person said the peaksaver thermostat was giving too much voltage and fried the gas valve and replaced both the thermostat and gas valve to tune of $400!

Anyone have to replace their gas valve or experience this problem and know if this is a known problem?

Thanks!

No peak saver thermostat here. There's a low voltage power wire running from your furnace to the thermostat. In the winter the temperature drops and a relay gets tripped sending the low voltage back to the furnace along another bundled wire that trips a relay on your furnace telling it to run. The temperature rises and the relay at the thermostat trips off stopping the low voltage signal. If there was to much voltage it wasn't ceated by the thermostat but at the step down transformer in your basement. Maybe he replaced it because it was cycling on and off to frequently.

[fergy]

Honeywell Themostat has Recycle time to be set. if you select Normal Furnace then it will turn on and off every 5min. If you select High Efficent then it will do every 15mins. Your Manual manual will how to set that.

The house next door exhausts the high efficiency furnace between the houses and theirs cycles on and off a heck of a lot like that. Every time I'm out there hearing it cycle and cycle I think of how hard that must be on the equipment. I don't know if they have peak saver though. I doubt it as their air conditioner runs pretty much 24/7 all summer long.

[fergy]

Peaksaver is really just a sham, much like the tale of 'The Emperor's New Clothes'... It is essentially and very successfully marketed to wasteful individuals who want to think they are doing something good for the environment and societies benefit, wheras they are doing nothing of the sort.

I have owned a large Victorian home for just over ten years now, and I turn the air conditioner on manually at the thermostat only on the limited number of days in a summer where daytime highs are over 30, and overnight lows still in the mid to high 20's. Our air conditioner runs between 5 and 15 half days in an entire summer.

I don't understand people who need to cool their house to 21 degrees or less, so each time you walk in the door it is so cool you have to pull extra clothes on! Peaksaver should be cancelled, as it is quite simply a complete and utter waste of time and resources.

Use a setback thermostat with your AC, set to 28 degrees during the day (so it doesn't ever come on during the day), and reduce to 26 at night (so it only comes on the nights you really need it), and save yourself a thousand dollars or more a year!

At the 2 story here we ran a window air conditioner for a total of 16 to 18 hours last summer. And that was the smaller 5800 BTU air conditioner not the 8000 BTU one we would normally turn on. I put both of them on my power meter and the considerbly newer 8000 BTU unit was a sham in terms of it's EER rating. It used far more amps than it was rated at. The OLD 5800 BTU unit turned in a better performance.

We probably average one or two days use a year with one or two window units. Not unusual to never turn them on either. Actually one's an ancient 12,000 BTU wall unit. A Chrysler! Yes it has the car company logo!

[aw1883]

I'm tempted by this program, but don't like the idea of giving someone else control over my furnace/AC. Is there any other thermostat out there that can be controlled by internet or otherwise? I see an Aprilaire 8870 for only U$230 (Peaksaver claims their installed thermostat is a "$350 value"). But it isn't clear to me whether the 8870 thermostat be swapped with a regular one, then connected to a router, or if it has to be part of a greater home-automation system.

I don't want home automation, I just want to adjust the thermostat remotely if I forget to turn it down/up before leaving the house, and to be able to turn it up before I get home, if it's going to be 50F when I walk in the door. I keep my temps very low in winter when I'm not in the house, so it takes up to an hour to get to a comfortable temperature (I use Hold rather than programming, to avoid heating the house too early in the evening if I'm late).

Is there a way to do this myself for <$300? I'd consider that if it meant keeping the hydro company's virtual fingers off my thermostat. Or should I just take the $25 and run? I don't expect to save a whole lot of electricity through PeakSaver, but I'm sure there will be some savings no matter what.

BTW, is there a log accessible of the times and adjustments they make to your thermostat?

Thanks!
=aw

[fieldhousehandyman]

If you have a regular schedule, just get a programmable thermostat, so you never have to think about setting it down during the day.

If you have the coin, the Ecobee unit has been getting some rave reviews (that's how I got my Honeywell Prestige for free!)

[aw1883]

Thanks, I have a programmable thermostat but don't currently have a regular enough schedule.

=aw

[fieldhousehandyman]

what I would do is set a reasonable program, and then override when you need to, the only other option I know of is the Ecobee thermostat, which "has an app for that"! You can override it with any smartphone, tablet or similar computing device.

[aw1883]

what I would do is set a reasonable program, and then override when you need to, the only other option I know of is the Ecobee thermostat, which "has an app for that"! You can override it with any smartphone, tablet or similar computing device.

Thanks, for a "reasonable program", I just have it Held at whatever temperature I want, changing it when I leave and arrive. It works most of the time though it's a pain and I worry whether I remembered to turn it down when I went out.

I'll look at the Ecobee, their site seems to imply I can only buy it through a contractor but I do see it on Amazon.com for about U$350 delivered (to a US address).

=aw

[fieldhousehandyman]

Thats pretty darn reasonable!

When I installed my furnace last november, the owner's son replaced his Honeywell Prestige with an Ecobee, and raved over it (I was quite happy with the fact he gave me his one year old prestive for no charge!)

I looked at them online, and they do look fantastic, but I will never make use of the remote app control of it, so I am quite happy with the Honeywell.

If you do get the Ecobee, I doubt you will regret it!

But back to peaksaver, I tend to use very little air-conditioning, turning it on only when needed (less than 10 days a year) so peaksaver makes absolutely no sense to me. It seems to be a program that allows people who are energy hogs feel like they are doing somethiing useful for the environment.

[atish]

the peaksaver device (outside unit) was installed in march and the guy who came to install asked us to switch the power off for AC from inside. He left and never told us to switch it on again. Now with the heat wave, we switched on the power to ac. Guess What. the peak saver device does not work or is not installed properly. Call the peak save number, day before yester day, no one picks upthe phone after 4:30. How come the AC was working fine before the device installation. Now they are busy fixing their installations and the tech will come some time during the week.

[TorontoEh]

the peaksaver device (outside unit) was installed in march and the guy who came to install asked us to switch the power off for AC from inside. He left and never told us to switch it on again. Now with the heat wave, we switched on the power to ac. Guess What. the peak saver device does not work or is not installed properly. Call the peak save number, day before yester day, no one picks upthe phone after 4:30. How come the AC was working fine before the device installation. Now they are busy fixing their installations and the tech will come some time during the week.

Wait so they botched up the operation somehow of your AC or it doesn't turn on thru the thermostat?

[sickboy]

Wait so they botched up the operation somehow of your AC or it doesn't turn on thru the thermostat?

I just called to get my peaksaver thermostat uninstalled. I've had nothing but problems with it. The installation tech was at our home twice last year because power to our thermostat would inevitably cut out during operation. I found out that by banging lightly on the outside panel of the ac unit downstairs would re-connect the power. It's obviously been installed incorrectly and they've had two tries to correct the problem.

[stevezed]

Peaksaver is really just a sham, much like the tale of 'The Emperor's New Clothes'... It is essentially and very successfully marketed to wasteful individuals who want to think they are doing something good for the environment and societies benefit, wheras they are doing nothing of the sort.

I have owned a large Victorian home for just over ten years now, and I turn the air conditioner on manually at the thermostat only on the limited number of days in a summer where daytime highs are over 30, and overnight lows still in the mid to high 20's. Our air conditioner runs between 5 and 15 half days in an entire summer.I don't understand people who need to cool their house to 21 degrees or less, so each time you walk in the door it is so cool you have to pull extra clothes on! Peaksaver should be cancelled, as it is quite simply a complete and utter waste of time and resources.


:facepalm:

Someone clearly does not understand the point of this program

[fieldhousehandyman]

Perhaps you could please explain it. Or this quote might help, right from the 'peakaver' website:

"peaksaver is an innovative program designed to help you reduce the demands on the electricity system. During peak electricity demand times, typically on hot summer days, a signal will be sent to reduce the electricity demand of your central air conditioning system, which in turn helps to reduce the amount of electricity needed by the Province. You won't even notice a difference, and you're doing your part to conserve without incurring time, effort or cost!"

There really is little point to the Peaksaver Program, and thus is why the vast majority of Ontarians do not participate in it. It is a program that does nothing to conserve energy (a homeowner can do a better job by judiciously using reasonable thermostat settings, including using a setback thermostat - Note the last part of the quote above, yes peaksaver is marketed to cause the homeowner to think they are actually conserving energy!), or reduce demand on the "electricity system" in peak demand times (simply because so few people are signed up to it to have any useful effect).

On days of peak demand, when I am likely to actually want to use my air conditioner, I simply set it to some reasonable level that consumes less energy than what the 'peaksaver assisted' setting would be (note that the homeowner themselves is completely responsible for deciding on thermostat settings, peaksaver just adjusts from these initial settings). On most other days, I do not run my air conditioner whatsoever.

Is it more suitable for me to enroll in peaksaver, set my air conditioner to 23 degrees C summer long, and have peaksaver over ride it to 25 degrees C on peak demand periods? Or to simply set my air conditioning myself to 26 degrees on the few days a year that I actually want to use it, because doing so significantly reduces both my energy consumption and demand on the system? I reduce strain on the electricity system by not using my air conditioner anywhere near as much as the idiots out there who chill their houses to the point of being completely uncomfortable!

I fully understand the point of the peaksaver program, which is why I both choose not to participate in it, and offer my opinion that it is a complete and utter waste of time, resources, and finances.

http://www.enersource.com/energy-savings-tips/Pages/peaksaver.aspx

[MacGyver]

There really is little point to the Peaksaver Program, and thus is why the vast majority of Ontarians do not participate in it. It is a program that does nothing to conserve energy... or reduce demand on the "electricity system" in peak demand times (simply because so few people are signed up to it to have any useful effect).There are two PeakSaver techniques. The first is to simply raise the setpoint, which I absolutely agree, is pointless. However, in some area it is done differently - they cycle customers A/C units off and on each 15 minutes, so that only half the participants are running their A/C's at any given time. This reduces Ontario peak demand by up to 100 Megawatts, which isn't small potatoes.

[fieldhousehandyman]

Good point (as usual!).

I suppose if everyone really has to chill their houses and consume vast quantities of energy unnecesarily, PeakSaver could very well be a useful program, especially in the specific instances of cycling units such that half of enrolled units are on in any given time interval, and swapped with the other half during the next time interval.

As I have stated the program is really designed to offer 'feel good' benefits to energy hogs, and because it has been so poorly accepted, is really completely and effectively useless.

[swatson46n2]

My parents just had to get their "electronics board" in their furnace replaced (sorry i don't know the actual term) the HVAC guy said he is seeing alot more of this now with the peek saver program, due to the constant on/off of the furnace/AC, anyone who is enrolled in the program can tell you that they can hear the furnace/ac power up and shut right off ALOT more after they started the program.

[fergy]

My parents just had to get their "electronics board" in their furnace replaced (sorry i don't know the actual term) the HVAC guy said he is seeing alot more of this now with the peek saver program, due to the constant on/off of the furnace/AC, anyone who is enrolled in the program can tell you that they can hear the furnace/ac power up and shut right off ALOT more after they started the program.

What kind of $$ do those replacement circuit boards go for?

[M1K3Z0R]

Got my peaksaver thermostat installed on June 27. Works beautifully! It replaced an already programmable thermostat (Honeywell FocusPRO 6000 series), but imo you can't beat free + $25. The large backlit display is also pretty nice, and easily serves double duty as a nightlight.

The installer we choose from the list of qualified contractors made sure the heat and A/C worked perfectly before he left, which is a good thing, because it turned out that the furnace would not start. It turned out to be a wiring issue (old furnace), but the tech got it up and running to better than before.

Another thing worth noting, aside from paranoid people, be wary of heating companies telling you how horrible these are. I caught Reliance home Comfort trying to discourage these thermostats, yet try to sell me a similar one (FocusPRO 8000) at an inflated cost. That's on top of trying to sell me a new furnace.

[M1K3Z0R]

My parents just had to get their "electronics board" in their furnace replaced (sorry i don't know the actual term) the HVAC guy said he is seeing alot more of this now with the peek saver program, due to the constant on/off of the furnace/AC, anyone who is enrolled in the program can tell you that they can hear the furnace/ac power up and shut right off ALOT more after they started the program.

Your furnace running on/off more is actually really common with most honeywell programmable thermostats. There is a setting you can change to lower the CPH (Cycles per hour) from the default of 5 down to 3.

Not sure how the electronics would be affected by being turned off/on since they are mostly on all the time anyway, but I could see it being harder on the motors. Not familiar with your furnace, but on mine the "computer" ignition control module failed, but I was told that was because of the furnace getting very hot. I was quoted a replacement cost of $700+ for a replacement shipped from texas (apparently they don't make the original part anymore), but I googled the exact same part number and found it for $100 new directly from the manufacturer

[CompWizrd]

What kind of $$ do those replacement circuit boards go for?About 500 from a HVAC shop.. About 100 from the US. You can install a typical one in about 10 minutes. I had to swap out my draft inducer from old age, and my controller board and blower fan from water damage.. those parts were about $100 apiece.. I picked up a spare controller board in case this one goes again.

Honeywell makes a universal that fits most furnaces from a few years ago, apparently the techs were complaining because they had to carry dozens of boards for all the furnaces.

Something similar to this one: http://www.hvacpartsoutlet.com/honeywell-furnace-control-board-s9200u1000.aspx

[MacGyver]

Hydro Ottawa is running radio ads lately that are implying the free peaksaver thermostats are not going to be available for much longer. Don't know what this means, if it's province wide, or what.

[CanadianTyler]

Pretty frustrated with our Peaksaver. Last year they lied about when and how long they would control for. This year, they seem to be sticking to their promises. But, our thermostat is normally set at 25.5 C, so when it's adjusted they seem to add 2'C to it, so 27.5 which is pretty unbearable, meanwhile there's probably many people who set it lower so don't have to suffer as much after 2 degrees is added.

[ancnfamily]

I just called to get my peaksaver thermostat uninstalled. I've had nothing but problems with it. The installation tech was at our home twice last year because power to our thermostat would inevitably cut out during operation. I found out that by banging lightly on the outside panel of the ac unit downstairs would re-connect the power. It's obviously been installed incorrectly and they've had two tries to correct the problem.


I've been having issues with mine as well. Called Peaksever 2 weeks ago to have them either replace unit or remove it altogether. For 1 i don't like the fact that furnace turns on 2 hrs prior to set schedule. Their excuse was that thermostat is made to turn furnace on (ac/heat) so temperature could be what is set for at that time.
Another thing that I don't like is the fact that every time there is some kind of power issue, I have to re-program date and time.

Still no call from technician..

[MacGyver]

One of the touted end-user benefits is remote setting of the thermostat over the web. Has anyone with a Peaksaver thermostat received access yet? I know somebody who has had his Peaksaver for 8 months and still no web access.

[sunnyd71]

One of the touted end-user benefits is remote setting of the thermostat over the web. Has anyone with a Peaksaver thermostat received access yet? I know somebody who has had his Peaksaver for 8 months and still no web access.

I had access when I first got it but haven't tried since. They never told me I did but when I called told me the default username and password which I believe was my phone number.

[M1K3Z0R]

Another thing that I don't like is the fact that every time there is some kind of power issue, I have to re-program date and time.

Still no call from technician..

Assuming you have a Honeywell UtilityPRO, the reset after a power failure means your back-up battery needs replacing (They should last 5 years though). You can access it with a small screwdriver on the lower left side of the unit - there is a small raised groove to pull the battery tray

[toky]

My Peaksaver thermostat was installed in March....it is now August and I still have not received the $25. Just wondering if it is the same with other people who have joined the program. I called in May and the guy said it will take 4 months to see it and so far I have gone through two bills. More and more I feel this is a scam. If people don't follow up or forget all about it, the credit will never come.

[keithlittle]

One of the touted end-user benefits is remote setting of the thermostat over the web. Has anyone with a Peaksaver thermostat received access yet? I know somebody who has had his Peaksaver for 8 months and still no web access.

I'm with Cambridge Hydro. I've called twice to get web access and still haven't received a call back yet.

[keithlittle]

Alright guys, I need some feedback here.

Since it's relatively cool right now in Cambridge I have the A/C turned off. The heat, obviously, is turned off as well. The system is set to OFF. However, the fan keeps running on CIRCULATION. I can't turn it to AUTO (so it would come one only when the system is activated).

I called the number that's on a sticker on the front of the thermostat manual and the person on the other end walked me through changing fan settings, which I'd already done to no avail. When it didn't work he said he'd forward my name and number to someone else who would call back.

Cambridge Hydro themselves called me back and told me that the fan cannot be turned off while the system is set to off. The fan always has to be on circulation mode when the system is off. I asked how this made any sense and if it was a mechanical thing and the CSR had no idea.

Anyone else been able to turn their fan OFF when the system is off?

[Therion]

Not an HVAC expert, but I think the air circulates to bring in fresh air from the outside. I think that's a standard feature of all HVAC units.

[craigdcan]

Alright guys, I need some feedback here.

Since it's relatively cool right now in Cambridge I have the A/C turned off. The heat, obviously, is turned off as well. The system is set to OFF. However, the fan keeps running on CIRCULATION. I can't turn it to AUTO (so it would come one only when the system is activated).

I called the number that's on a sticker on the front of the thermostat manual and the person on the other end walked me through changing fan settings, which I'd already done to no avail. When it didn't work he said he'd forward my name and number to someone else who would call back.

Cambridge Hydro themselves called me back and told me that the fan cannot be turned off while the system is set to off. The fan always has to be on circulation mode when the system is off. I asked how this made any sense and if it was a mechanical thing and the CSR had no idea.

Anyone else been able to turn their fan OFF when the system is off?

OFF is off on my system. No recirc. If you really want it to be completely off, you could turn off your furnace switch (not ideal as it turns off the display of temp and then you'll also need to turn it back on whenyou want to heat/cool).

[ozymandias]

On my peaksaver thermostat, there is OFF, AUTO and CIRC setting for the fan. Just touch (CIRC or AUTO or whatever is your setting right now) and these three options should show up. Select OFF for the fan as well.


OFF is off on my system. No recirc. If you really want it to be completely off, you could turn off your furnace switch (not ideal as it turns off the display of temp and then you'll also need to turn it back on whenyou want to heat/cool).

[cutesnoopydoll]

The program is no loner available...

[kiasu]

Ok. Had the PeakSaver theromostate installed a year ago and recently having issue.

The indoor temp never hit the schedule temp we set. Esp last few days where outside was -30c but the inhouse temp is btw 16c and 18c never go up to 20c. The heat does come out but it doesnt heat up the house. Anyone has the same issue?

Just called PeakSaver and they are sending tech over this afternoon. Will see what happen.

[da_guy2]

Ok. Had the PeakSaver theromostate installed a year ago and recently having issue.

The indoor temp never hit the schedule temp we set. Esp last few days where outside was -30c but the inhouse temp is btw 16c and 18c never go up to 20c. The heat does come out but it doesnt heat up the house. Anyone has the same issue?

Just called PeakSaver and they are sending tech over this afternoon. Will see what happen.


You sure its the PeakSaver thermostat? You said the heat comes, but does it turn off? If the heat is coming on, and running continuously but not getting up to temperature them its your furnace no the thermostat.

[mooncakez]

any more reviews of Peak Saver Program?
Does it reduce your bill?

Thank you for your response in advance guys

~mooncakez

[fieldhousehandyman]

As far as I know, most electricity distributors have abandoned the peak saver program. Responsible and reasonable use of your thermostat during the cooling season will save far more money than peaksaver ever could.

[Weener]

Just got an invite from Toronto Hydro to sign up. Offering 100 free Airmiles as a promo.

After reading up on Peaksaver here I'm not going to bother.

[fledgling]

Mine was just installed yesterday. I don't see why you wouldn't take advantage of it. It's a much better thermostat than the one we had plus the energy monitor is pretty cool. For free, don't see the downside.

[anbbna]

We are installed "Peaksaver" thermostat few months ago. Recently we found it would reset our setting in "on-peak " period of the day and we consuming more hydro than desire. Let say we set "Wake" at 5:30 AM for 20*C and "Leave at 6:45" AM for 18*C than thermostat (Power Stream) will reset our setting and stay at 20*C till 8:00 AM. Similar story in the evening hours when it will reset our settings and jump from set 18*C to 22*C 2 hours earlier than required and of course in "on peak" time of the day from 5 PM to 7 PM.Calling "Peaksaver" is not resolved anything. They schedule tech visit 30 days from my call. Considering remove this thermostat and install back my old programmable one.

[kkkenny]

I just inherited a Peaksaver thermostat when I bought my house and am ready to beat the thing to death with a ball-peen hammer. So far in the week I have been here the thermostat has quit working at least four times; reset my settings at least as many times; and now it decided to lock in temperatures that I can't reset. I had to use the permanent hold which it overrode anyway. Finally pulled the unit off the wall and let it sit for five minutes to reset settings. Have no idea if someone has hacked the account or former owners with a wrapped sense of humour. As I have no access to web portal I cannot see what is happening - there seems to be no way of registering or assuming old account. I agree with anbbna going to Cdn Tire and buy one I control.....

[cwb27]

I just inherited a Peaksaver thermostat when I bought my house and am ready to beat the thing to death with a ball-peen hammer. So far in the week I have been here the thermostat has quit working at least four times; reset my settings at least as many times; and now it decided to lock in temperatures that I can't reset. I had to use the permanent hold which it overrode anyway. Finally pulled the unit off the wall and let it sit for five minutes to reset settings. Have no idea if someone has hacked the account or former owners with a wrapped sense of humour. As I have no access to web portal I cannot see what is happening - there seems to be no way of registering or assuming old account. I agree with anbbna going to Cdn Tire and buy one I control.....

Have you tried calling PeakSaver..?

[Mayoo]

loving the feature of auto adjusting my home temp from anywhere via smartphone !!!

http://controlyourthermostat.ca/

[jackie999]

I was just notified by email from peaksaver plus that they're doing a free upgrade to my "in home energy display equipment". The upgrade will be done to the exterior unit outside giving me a "higher level of accuracy and reliability"...I don't need to be home but will be left instructions on resyncing.