FAQ About Cross Border Shopping / CBSA

[Ebola]

FIRST AND FOREMOST www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca FOR EVERYTHING CANADA BORDER RELATED

All of the information in this thread is obtainable either on the CBSA website, in the Customs D-Memoranda which are also on the CBSA website, or in the Customs Act.

This is just meant to help some people with the common questions they ask, that I can answer easily. If at any point I get a question that I do not feel comfortable answering, I will say that I will not answer it.


#1. What do I need to get into the US as far as ID goes?

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#2. How much am I eligible to bring back tax free from my trip to the US? (or abroad)

(The exemptions which state HOURS are calculated to the HOUR.] )

If you are gone LESS THAN 24 HOURS (ie. A DAY TRIP) you are entitled to:

-Nothing. Buy whatever you want, you are subject to tax on all of it.

If you are gone MORE THAN 24 HOURS you are entitled to:

-Up to $50 worth of goods per person tax fee. A penny more than $50 spent, ie. $50.01, and you pay taxes on EVERYTHING you bought.

If you are gone MORE THAN 48 HOURS :

-You can claim $400 worth of goods tax free. Anything over $400, you pay tax on the difference. Ie. You spent $500. Subtract $400. Pay tax on $100.

-If you are of the drinking/smoking age in the province you are entering Canada into, you are also now eligible to bring back limited amounts of alcohol and/or tobacco.

This much to be precise:

Alcohol (ONE of the following):

1.14 L of Liquor
OR
1.5L of Wine
OR
24 x 355ml Beer
OR
A combination of wine and liquor not exceeding 1.14L in total.

-"coolers" are classified by what alcohol is in them. So, "beer coolers" are beer, "wine coolers" are wine.

NOTE: You may not bring back more than 45L of alcohol without an LCBO (changes with province) alcohol import permit.



Tobacco (ALL of the following):

200 cigarettes
AND
200 grams of manufactured tobacco
AND
200 tobacco sticks
AND
50 cigars or cigarillos

Any amounts more than these specified allotments will be charged duty and taxes! This can amount to over 75% taxes for alcohol.. and over 120% taxation easily on tobacco.

If you are gone MORE THAN 7 DAYS:

-Each person is entitled to $750 of goods. Same exact idea as the 48 hour exemption. Subtract $750 from your value, if anything remains, you pay tax on it. You are also entitled to the SAME alcohol and tobacco exemption.

-This is the highest exemption, is does not increase anymore , even if you are gone for 4 months.

#3 How do I know which items I will be charged duty on, and which items I will just be charged GST and possibly provincial sales tax??

-Under NAFTA, any goods made in North America are duty free.

-All other goods in the world fall either under the Most Favoured Nation Tariff (MFN) , the General Preferential Treatment Tariff (more rare) and the Developing Country Tariff Treatment (Rarest). There is also the Commonwealth Carribean Country Preferential Treatment Tariff.. but I digress.

-For land border travellers, this is most always the US tariff, which means no duty.

-For air travellers it is usually the US or MFN tariff, of which there is usually a low duty rate (typically no more than 8%)

-As always there are exception, for example : excess turkey being imported is subject to a 26.5% duty rate on top of regular taxes. So always call the CBSA or check the tariff schedule yourself to avoid any nasty surprises.

You can find the consolidated 2008 Tariff Treatment Guide here (http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/trade-commerce/tariff-tarif/2008/01-99/tblmod-1-eng.html)

#4. Can I get back the tax I pay in the US?

-Generally speaking , no.

NOTE: The Canadian GST rebate program has also been eliminated. So that means any foreigners who buy things / spend their money here, do not get their tax money back. It stays here in Canada.

#5. When the Officer is Calculating my Taxes, Do I pay Tax on Tax?

-US sales tax is just part of what it cost you to buy the item.

-What the Canadian taxes are assessed on, is how much is cost you to obtain those goods for the purpose of importing them into Canada. So if you pay a value with taxes in it, that is part of that value for import.

-Example(fictional) :

*A cookie is on sale for $1 in the US. You want to buy that cookie and bring it to your friend in Canada.

*The US state charges you 50 cents tax on your cookie.

*When the Border Officer asks you how much you paid for the cookie, you paid $1.50. So that cookie upon import to Canada, is worth $1.50, and as such the Border Officer will charges you taxes on $1.50.

#6. How Can I Pay my Taxes at the Border?

Methods of payment:
-Canadian Cash
-American Cash
-Credit Cards ( at my port) : Mastercard, Visa, AMEX
-Debit Cards

#7. Do the Exemptions apply equally to all Canadians and visitors alike?

-Yes.. and no.

-Anyone residing in Canada falls under the exemption limits listed above. This includes residing citizens, permanent residents, student visa, work pemit etc.

- Short term visitors from foreign countries do not usually pay taxes, unless the items are said to be staying behind when they leave, this generally means their personal effects and conveyance.

- Foreigners coming into Canada (frequently Americans) have the same alcohol and tobacco exemptions as a Canadian who has been gone for 48 hrs. Now once they enter the country, they have to leave again for a full 48 hrs, before they can bring another exemptions worth back in. This is called a "new trip".

#8. How do I apply to become a Border Services Officer, how much do you make,and where does the training take place?

Go to www.jobs.gc.ca for the actual up to date job posting for the BSO position.

Alternatively, going to www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca will also have a section on "Become a Border Services Officer!" Yay!

Training takes place in Rigaud QC.

#10. What do I need to bring with my cat/dog when crossing the border?

As long as you can prove your already owned dog/cat has their rabies vaccine up to date you should be fine.

[Narci]

If your coming back into BC, baby/children's clothing is subject to only 1 tax (I forgot which one it is).

If your bringing back, say a camera, into Canada and it cost $300 but you were gone for over 48 hours, you will be exempt. Even though the CSBA agent lets you though, go into the customs office and ask for then to charge you 0 dollars on the camera with a receipt because it was exempt from taxes. (Not many CSBA agents would know this so you might have to tell them why you want a $0 tax receipt.)

Why?

Because if you ever go out of country and come back, CSBA has every right to ask you for proof of taxes paid. They can charge you tax on that camera which you were exempt from initially but if you had that $0 tax receipt, its proof you were exempt from taxation. That green card you can fill out with the items serial # and description on it, its proof you left the country with that item and coming back in...But it's still no proof you paid taxes on that item.

[cwb27]

If your coming back into BC, baby/children's clothing is subject to only 1 tax (I forgot which one it is).

If your bringing back, say a camera, into Canada and it cost $300 but you were gone for over 48 hours, you will be exempt. Even though the CSBA agent lets you though, go into the customs office and ask for then to charge you 0 dollars on the camera with a receipt because it was exempt from taxes. (Not many CSBA agents would know this so you might have to tell them why you want a $0 tax receipt.)

Why?

Because if you ever go out of country and come back, CSBA has every right to ask you for proof of taxes paid. They can charge you tax on that camera which you were exempt from initially but if you had that $0 tax receipt, its proof you were exempt from taxation. That green card you can fill out with the items serial # and description on it, its proof you left the country with that item and coming back in...But it's still no proof you paid taxes on that item.

Kids clothes are PST Exempt.

I have no clue where you're getting this zero dollar receipt thing from? All you need is a Form Y38 (the green card) showing that the goods were in your possession when you left Canada. This is all you need. They're not going to look at the Y38 then started playing 50 questions on if you paid tax on the item.

[Narci]

Kids clothes are PST Exempt.

I have no clue where you're getting this zero dollar receipt thing from? All you need is a Form Y38 (the green card) showing that the goods were in your possession when you left Canada. This is all you need. They're not going to look at the Y38 then started playing 50 questions on if you paid tax on the item.

I asked custom agents/supervisors, just as you said, the Y38 form means the good were on you when you left Canada, it's still no proof of taxes were paid. i.e. a reciept from Futureshop or Besy Buy. If they wanted to, they CAN ask you for proof of taxes paid on an item.

i.e. say I bought a rolex in HK but when I came back into canada, I never declared it and got away with it. Nect time I leave I can still fill out a Y38 as proof of origin (that i'm leaving Canada with it) but technically it's not proof that I paid taxes on the item. If I come back into Canada and present the Y38 card, they can still ask if I paid taxes on the item if it was bought in Canada and they still can ask me to produce a reciept as proof of taxes paid.

[cwb27]

I asked custom agents/supervisors, just as you said, the Y38 form means the good were on you when you left Canada, it's still no proof of taxes were paid. i.e. a reciept from Futureshop or Besy Buy. If they wanted to, they CAN ask you for proof of taxes paid on an item.

i.e. say I bought a rolex in HK but when I came back into canada, I never declared it and got away with it. Nect time I leave I can still fill out a Y38 as proof of origin (that i'm leaving Canada with it) but technically it's not proof that I paid taxes on the item. If I come back into Canada and present the Y38 card, they can still ask if I paid taxes on the item if it was bought in Canada and they still can ask me to produce a reciept as proof of taxes paid.


Did you ask for a Y38 when you were coming BACK to Canada? Because of course that's the answer you're going to get.

If you arrive at the border with your goods (i.e. a camera) and get waived on thru, ONCE YOU'RE IN CANADA, take the goods (camera) to a CBSA office and then get a Y38. I don't know about Ebola, but I don't think I've ever seen/asked a person for their proof of taxes paid receipt when they show a Y38.

I mean no disrespect here, but I think you're confusing details.


And yes, I understand your example with regards to the watch, I'd say more often than not receipts are not requested by the officer when filling out a Y38. I can tell you right now that it's quite common for receipts to be lost, in that situation, I don't think that would be grounds to deny someone a Y38.

[Ebola]

Anyway you guys could discuss this elsewhere?

I was hoping to keep the posts in this thread to a minimum, remember people, if you have a question, please PRIVATE MESSAGE it to me!

Thanks!

[canabiz]

Guys you may want to add what method of payment are accepted at the border offices regarding tax/duties.

Cash/Personal checks/Debit Card/Credit Card

For Credit Card, do you take Visa or MC or will you take anything like AMEX, Diners International, JCB etc.

Is American dollars accepted or it has to be Canadian currency for cash?

There was a letter to the Ottawa Citizen not too long ago complaining about a wait of up to 3 hours while some officers went to Gananoque to get some rolls of papers for receipts. In this day and age, you would think this is not something that should have happened, but it does and due to the isolation of the border crossings, people will generally cut some slack here.

[nutscreative]

Wow, FAQ are very helpful...cos i am planning trip in end of Nov. Thanks for all the information.

[CSK'sMom]

Check the border wait times here http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/general/times/menu-e.html or by calling 1-800-715-6722. For those crossing in Niagara after consulting the previously posted border delay sites choose the appropriate crossing with the shortest wait. Before leaving home have appropriate directions to your shopping destinations from all 3 bridges into the US.

Ebola you may want to add that kids age 14 and over should carry photo id when crossing into the US. We routinely get asked for it by the US guys. A school photo ID card is acceptable.

[Chr1s]

Great post!

This should be made a Sticky.

[Ebola]

Updated with more questions.

The really really specific questions I deal with in PM's. If I feel they are worthwhile to put in here I'll do it.

Oh ya, and I won't be answering questions like :

"Have you ever beat someone down to arrest them?"

"Do you like your new gun?"

and

"Are you as a guy allowed to strip search women?" (ok ill answer this, no.)

[CinnamonX]

What about taxes/duties on grocery items?

[Ryan]

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[runningdog]

Wow, great thread and great PM advice. Thanks.

I didn't even know this thread existed until is saw the poll for most helpful thread.

[Ebola]

#13. What do I need to do to bring a firearm I bought in the US into Canada?

The first thing you need to do is be sure that you are legally entitled to own the firearm in Canada. This means you need to have a PAL. (Possession and Acquistion License). If you don't have a PAL, the weapon will be taken from you if you declare it, or if you do not declare it you will be arrested and charged under the Customs Act and the Criminal Code of Canada.

This also means on your PAL you have the ability to posses and acquire non-restricted, restricted, or prohibited firearms respectively. For the vast majority of people this will mean non-restricted, or possibly restricted firearms.

The next thing you should do is register the firearm as soon as you can. You cannot import, nor transport an unregistered firearm into Canada. This may mean making two trips across the border, the first to actually buy the weapon, at which point you can call Canada Firearm Centre and read off to them the specification of the firearm, its serial number and all that good stuff, and then the second trip with your temporary/actual registration to import the firearm.

If you fail to get the firearm registered before importing, a CBSA office may have the ability to hold the firearm until proper documentation is provided.

As with many other things, CBSA acts as a front line agent for other government departments, for full regulations and procedures, visit: http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/default_e.asp

[kurtblak]

If you are flagged for failing to report a purchased product; ie. bottle of wine and your name/car plate is placed into the CBSA computer...

can CBSA still pull/find your name even if you change your license plates.

(ps...I'm asking this because I want to show that there is nothing criminal about my request yet I predict Ebola will hide and refuse to answer like all good bureaucrats - the concept of transparency and openness is totally alien to them - hence the mistrust held by the general public).

[cwb27]

If you are flagged for failing to report a purchased product; ie. bottle of wine and your name/car plate is placed into the CBSA computer...

can CBSA still pull/find your name even if you change your license plates.

(ps...I'm asking this because I want to show that there is nothing criminal about my request yet I predict Ebola will hide and refuse to answer like all good bureaucrats - the concept of transparency and openness is totally alien to them - hence the mistrust held by the general public).

I think you know the answer to your question already.

[brunes]

Can you please post the specifics on what duty you WILL BE CHARGED for liquor you bring into Canada if you are NOT over the bonder for 48 hours, or have been over more than 48 hours but exceed the duty-free limit?

I have never ever been able to find this information anywhere in the guide or the website - it is very obtuse.

All the information given ever says is "this is what you can bring over for free if you are over 48 hours" - but nothing says what you will be charged if you are not over for 48 hours,. or what you are charged on amounts over the limit if you are over more than 48 hours. It is almost like they do not want it known or something.

I have often been across the border and really wanted to bring back some cases of Samuel Adams lager (I really like it and you can't get it around here), but am afraid of the duty charges since I have no clue what they would be.

Also, if you have any kind of a CBSA "suggestions" program for you employees - can you please make the suggestion to them that they put this information in some obvious place, like in the brochure you can pick up at the crossing? I am not the only person I know who has asked this question. LIquor is one of the most wanted things to import by a lot of people for a variety of reasons, price is not the sole factor.

[CSK'sMom]

brunes, beer and liquor duty/taxes/markup have been discussed several times in the travel forum. Generally, you're looking at about $9 duty+taxes on a case of beer. Or if you're like us you buy a 12 pack or 2 every grocery trip and truthfully declare it and get waved through. :cheesygri

[brunes]

brunes, beer and liquor duty/taxes/markup have been discussed several times in the travel forum. Generally, you're looking at about $9 duty+taxes on a case of beer. Or if you're like us you buy a 12 pack or 2 every grocery trip and truthfully declare it and get waved through. :cheesygri

This is not enough detail at all. What I would like to know is

- How much / bottle of beer, or if / L based, how much / L duty
- How much / L of hard liquor duty
- Whether or not GST/PST is added on top of that duty
- Someone who could point me to an official source for said information, either on the CBSA website or some other document I could get a copy of, so I can be confident when I approach the border I am correct in my assessment of my expected duty

Hopefully the OP or another CBSA employee can shed some light.

EDIT: Also I would like more information on this statement:


Status aboriginals (living on a reserve) have their tax exemption honoured on imports as well.

Does this apply to the alcohol import duties as well? I have a close friend who is status; if we went across the border and he purchased the liquor, with his money, could he import it tax free? I am not trying to weasel around the law I just really would liek to have some of my favorite beer :P

[kurtblak]

I think you know the answer to your question already.

You are wrong. No I don't... it's a legit question and I have never been given a definitive answer.

Does the CBSA computer flag you even when you change license plates?

what is the fear of answering...diluting the "power" of border guards lol...

[brunes]

You are wrong. No I don't... it's a legit question and I have never been given a definitive answer.

Does the CBSA computer flag you even when you change license plates?

what is the fear of answering...diluting the "power" of border guards lol...

There is no fear of answering, the question is just ********.

For example, here is the same question posed another way. If you are flagged, and you travel in another car with someone who is not flagged, when you come back will you be searched?

The answer is, if the CBSA employee asks for your ID and you show it to them, of course you will! If the employee does not askf or the ID, of course you won't! If the license plates were legally moved to your name, of course you will!

It is just common sense man. You're taking a huge risk with such a scheme because the CBSA can ask for ID for anyone coming back at any time, it is luck of the draw if the car is waived through without having to show the CBSA your ID.

[Whitedart]

This is not enough detail at all. What I would like to know is

- How much / bottle of beer, or if / L based, how much / L duty
- How much / L of hard liquor duty
- Whether or not GST/PST is added on top of that duty
- Someone who could point me to an official source for said information, either on the CBSA website or some other document I could get a copy of, so I can be confident when I approach the border I am correct in my assessment of my expected duty

Hopefully the OP or another CBSA employee can shed some light.

EDIT: Also I would like more information on this statement:

Does this apply to the alcohol import duties as well? I have a close friend who is status; if we went across the border and he purchased the liquor, with his money, could he import it tax free? I am not trying to weasel around the law I just really would liek to have some of my favorite beer :P

Ebola had posted this on June 22nd in the Avoiding taxes thread. Prov taxes are different where you are, but it provides some duty info.


http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=512053&page=64

Also as a general FYI, since I printed off a couple online ratings so people would have a bit better idea what they are in store for.

Taxes on:

Rum

Duty = 11.696% per LPA Unit of Measure

GST = 5%

Ontario Provincial Liquor Mark Up Tax = 59.90%

PST = 12%

Duty rate may vary depending on type of hard alcohol, the rest of the taxes will be the same.


Beer

Duty rate = 31.22% per HLT

GST = 5%

Ontario Provincial Mark Up Tax = .676% on the Litre.

PST = 12 %


Hope this helps everyone a bit. I will not be printing off any more specific examples than these. If you want a specific rating, call BIS to connect to someone on duty.

[cwb27]

You are wrong. No I don't... it's a legit question and I have never been given a definitive answer.

Does the CBSA computer flag you even when you change license plates?

what is the fear of answering...diluting the "power" of border guards lol...

There is no fear involved really (as much as you like to think there is on my behalf)...

There is a significant amount of information that the public does need to know about how the CBSA operates. Read back through the hundreds of CBSA related threads I've posted in, you'll see there are many occasions that I have declined to give information about CBSA operations.

[Ebola]

If you are flagged for failing to report a purchased product; ie. bottle of wine and your name/car plate is placed into the CBSA computer...

can CBSA still pull/find your name even if you change your license plates.

(ps...I'm asking this because I want to show that there is nothing criminal about my request yet I predict Ebola will hide and refuse to answer like all good bureaucrats - the concept of transparency and openness is totally alien to them - hence the mistrust held by the general public).

The answer to your question is:

If your name is in the system for having enforcement action taken against you, then your name is in the system.

I've said before there are some things that I can not tell you, or the public at large if I value my job. If I can't tell you, I don't hate you or have anything against you, I just refuse to do anything to jeopordize my career.

[brunes]

Hope this helps everyone a bit. I will not be printing off any more specific examples than these. If you want a specific rating, call BIS to connect to someone on duty.

What is HLT ?

So, let's say that the NB mark up tax is simmilar to that in Ontario (since there is no info on it anywhere), 0.676%. I normally just drop the PST / GST from the equation since you pay that on stuff bought here anyway. So, looks like the markup is about 32%? That isn't that bad - it's about $15.99 for a 12 pack, add 32% and it is about the same pricm as a 12 pack of any decent beer locally.

Again, Ebola IMO CBSA should put this information somewhere the public can see it.

[watta3]

I showed the border agent all the reciept after returning from a shopping spree on a long weekend. They asked me to go a head. No tax, any credit for being honest? If I were to pay, Where do I pay them? at the border boxes where car passes by? or being asked to park the car and go inside the building?

Thanks a lot!

[BobW]

Q: If I make a weekend run to the USA to get new tires and have them installed on my vehicle, how do I declare that on my return? What kind of taxes, etc am I looking at?

[brunes]

Q: If I make a weekend run to the USA to get new tires and have them installed on my vehicle, how do I declare that on my return? What kind of taxes, etc am I looking at?

You'll have to pay taxes on the tires but not the labour.

If the tires were made in the US (Michelin or Firestone/Bridgestone) you will only pay tax. If they were made in Korea or elsewhere (Kumho , others) you TECHNICALLY have to pay GPT import duties as well (7%), but from my experience buying tires in the US twice, the CBSA agent does not normally ask the origin of the tires if you declare them, probably because it is a PITA to look around the tire to check.

Also, Ebola FYI your tarrif link in the OP doesn't work anymore. I think the current one is http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/trade-commerce/tariff-tarif/2008/01-99/tblmod-1-eng.html

[kurtblak]

The answer to your question is:

If your name is in the system for having enforcement action taken against you, then your name is in the system, doesn't matter what mode/method of transport, and thus it will appear when queried.

This is explained when enforcement action is taken, that your name will be put into the system.

I've said before there are some things that I can not tell you, or the public at large if I value my job. If I can't tell you, I don't hate you or have anything against you, I just refuse to do anything to jeopordize my career.

You did not answer my question except highlight how insecure your job is.

My question is completely legitimate and not illegal in any away; there is nothing secret about the border crossing except if you are a wanna-be super spy who failed to get into CSIS.

And your avatar pic may not have been a simple coincidence; your acting like that office hero...

[brunes]

You did not answer my question except highlight how insecure your job is.

My question is completely legitimate and not illegal in any away; there is nothing secret about the border crossing except if you are a wanna-be super spy who failed to get into CSIS.

And your avatar pic may not have been a simple coincidence; your acting like that office hero...

Your question has already been answered. It is ******** to even ask as a 6 year old knows the answer anyway. Go troll elsewhere please and keep this thread useful.

[3weddings]

Sorry kurtblak...I don't see where you are not reading the response to your question???

I agree that the response was common sense since when you are flagged, anything registered to you would also be flagged.

Good Job keeping the masses informed gentlemen!! I would love to see how many times a week you smash your head on the keyboard though!!!

[Ebola]

You did not answer my question except highlight how insecure your job is.

My question is completely legitimate and not illegal in any away; there is nothing secret about the border crossing except if you are a wanna-be super spy who failed to get into CSIS.

And your avatar pic may not have been a simple coincidence; your acting like that office hero...


Dude what the hell? This IS your answer:

boobies

[Ebola]

I showed the border agent all the reciept after returning from a shopping spree on a long weekend. They asked me to go a head. No tax, any credit for being honest? If I were to pay, Where do I pay them? at the border boxes where car passes by? or being asked to park the car and go inside the building?

Thanks a lot!

Hey watta,

No there is no credit for being honest, it is kind of the whole idea that you declare honestly.

You pay taxes by parking the car and going inside the building.

[CheapScotsman]

You are wrong. No I don't... it's a legit question and I have never been given a definitive answer.

Does the CBSA computer flag you even when you change license plates?

what is the fear of answering...diluting the "power" of border guards lol...Ebola has indicated that your name isn't listed in the system based on your license plate .... its by your name

Here is an encouter that I had .... In the 1980s I got pulled over in Washington State .... and they had access to my BC driving record. They asked me about a speeding ticket I had received in BC so ....

Its now 20 years later and, at least here in BC, they always request official ID (driver license, birth certificate, passport, etc) when you cross the border in either direction

I am quite confidant that both the CDN and US border guys can access your birth cert info, your passport info and your driving record ...which would include your address and change of address info along with any cars (and probably previous ones) registered to you ...

[cwb27]

You did not answer my question except highlight how insecure your job is.

My question is completely legitimate and not illegal in any away; there is nothing secret about the border crossing except if you are a wanna-be super spy who failed to get into CSIS.

And your avatar pic may not have been a simple coincidence; your acting like that office hero...

It's fascinating to me the joy you take in making something out of nothing...

[Howlader]

I hope this hasn't been asked already, if it has I've missed it in one of the various threads, I apologize.

Here's a situation: An individual travels to the United States for 48 hours and therefore is entitled to the $400 exemption. Say this person buys 400 dollars worth of goods that would not otherwise be subject NAFTA (such as clothes), and also maxed out the personal liquor exemption.

Then say the individual also bought an $1100 dollar camera. Obviously provincial and federal sales tax would apply, but (now I could be mistaken here) since the CBSA website lists that type of item with a 0% tariff, only the taxes would apply.

My question is this: Would the items that (if not for a 48 hour or 7-day exemption) would otherwise have a tariff associated with them be considered the "duty free" items, or would a portion of the $1100 camera?

Thanks.

[Ebola]

I hope this hasn't been asked already, if it has I've missed it in one of the various threads, I apologize.

Here's a situation: An individual travels to the United States for 48 hours and therefore is entitled to the $400 exemption. Say this person buys 400 dollars worth of goods that would not otherwise be subject NAFTA (such as clothes), and also maxed out the personal liquor exemption.

Then say the individual also bought an $1100 dollar camera. Obviously provincial and federal sales tax would apply, but (now I could be mistaken here) since the CBSA website lists that type of item with a 0% tariff, only the taxes would apply.

My question is this: Would the items that (if not for a 48 hour or 7-day exemption) would otherwise have a tariff associated with them be considered the "duty free" items, or would a portion of the $1100 camera?

Thanks.

It has been my experience that we will apply to the $400 dollar exemption to whatever will end up being to your greatest benefit.

If applying the $400 exemption to the $1100 camera saves you more taxes than applying the $400 to the other goods, then that's what we would do.

So basically, we just apply the exemption to items that duty would be charged on first, then NAFTA items second.

If they are all NAFTA items, then we will look at if any of the items are assessed PST(if applicable)+ GST or just GST, and apply it to the PST +GST items first.

If the items all fall under the exact same tax structure, then it doesn't mattter what we apply it to.

[Howlader]

It has been my experience that we will apply to the $400 dollar exemption to whatever will end up being to your greatest benefit.
With a caveat, that as always, your mileage may vary?

[Ebola]

With a caveat, that as always, your mileage may vary?

No that is national policy.

[Howlader]

Fantastic. Thanks Ebola.

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Another tidbit for Manitobans looks for potential cross-border deals on buying alcohol. I contacted the Manitoba Liquor Control Commission, and right now (until who knows when?) there is currently no markup assessed on liquor. So the only thing that is assessed is the $0.40 per ounce of spirits and GST/PST.

[Ebola]

Fantastic. Thanks Ebola.

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Another tidbit for Manitobans looks for potential cross-border deals on buying alcohol. I contacted the Manitoba Liquor Control Commission, and right now (until who knows when?) there is currently no markup assessed on liquor. So the only thing that is assessed is the $0.40 per ounce of spirits and GST/PST.

When paying your taxes, by all means go ahead and ask what your exemption is being put towards. Ask any questions you have at that point as well.

That's one of the reasons we are there, to give people answers, to ensure they have ever oppurtunity to be compliant with the regulations.

[brunes]

When paying your taxes, by all means go ahead and ask what your exemption is being put towards. Ask any questions you have at that point as well.

That's one of the reasons we are there, to give people answers, to ensure they have ever oppurtunity to be compliant with the regulations.

Is there any way to get more info on the alcohol charges than what has been posted? Isn't there some kind of rate table or document somewhere? If not, then how do you guys calculate it?

It is not simple to ask this before you go across because of the way the border crossing here is laid out, you don't really have access to CBSA unless you're on your way back unless you park aside the road and look suspicious and get all these American officers running over to see what you are doing.

[Ebola]

Is there any way to get more info on the alcohol charges than what has been posted? Isn't there some kind of rate table or document somewhere? If not, then how do you guys calculate it?

It is not simple to ask this before you go across because of the way the border crossing here is laid out, you don't really have access to CBSA unless you're on your way back unless you park aside the road and look suspicious and get all these American officers running over to see what you are doing.

The duty and tax rates for everything are found inside our TEPS computer. It is obviously easier to have them all at the touch of a finger, and the tax rates are spread out through various documents, so they have been consolidated for practical use.


Here's one such document, shows the markup taxes or fee depending on your province. See Appendix A for Tobacco, Appendix B for Alcohol.

http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/dm-md/d2/d2-3-6-eng.pdf

To find the excise/duty calculations, you need to use a different document, I'll try and track that down. The duty is the variable, as it changes frequently.

[live wire]

If I bought a boat or personal watercraft in the USA and brought it back to Canada. I heard that there is difficulty / alot more paper work to bring back the trailer. Thus, I have heard that it is recommended to bring your own trailer across the boarder to pick up a boat/ personal water craft. can you comment on this. Thanks.

[Ebola]

If I bought a boat or personal watercraft in the USA and brought it back to Canada. I heard that there is difficulty / alot more paper work to bring back the trailer. Thus, I have heard that it is recommended to bring your own trailer across the boarder to pick up a boat/ personal water craft. can you comment on this. Thanks.

The importation process is as follows:

Boat:
-Declare value of boat
-Present bill of sale
-Pay taxes
-Leave CBSA port of entry. (Assuming boat is relatively clean, no obvious plant or crustacean life on it/in it that would present a CFIA or Environmental threat)

Trailer:
-Declare value of trailer
-Present bill of sale and title for trailer if that state issues titles.
-Fill out RIV form and pay RIV fee.
-Pay taxes
-Leave CBSA port of entry.

What's important to note with trailers, is that unlike cars/trucks, they are not self propelled, and thus do not have to have their titles export stamped by US customs prior to your importing them into Canada, so there is no wait period.

It is my personal opinion that it's not that much more work at all, as long as you have your paperwork together, it's pretty quick, no more than 20-30 mins at most.

Of course if someone shows up with a trailer with no bill of sale or registration/title, then it's going to be a problem, because they haven't met the importation requirements. Same thing with a boat. If you don't have any paperwork to support your declaration, it's going to take longer than if you had stuff together.


The second part of your question, if you trailer a boat or watercraft yourself, on a Canadian trailer, well then all that has to happen is the above mentioned steps for the boat import. So if you already have a trailer, by all means do it, you won't have to import another.

[CADman]

Ouch!! According to Ebola's PDF regarding alcohol, that $45 US bottle of tequila I enjoy will cost me $113 in BC, or $49 in Alberta. Thanks for the heads up.

[Ebola]

Those are strictly markup fees and taxes remember, so the tax rate is definetly higher than what you see in the chart.

Obviously you need to add 5% GST, and for example, Ontario has a 12% PST on liquor. That's not including the 59.9% Provincal Mark Up.

At like I posted before.. it's like 11.69%/LPA duty rate in Ontario as well on things like rum and vodka anyway.

[brunes]

The duty and tax rates for everything are found inside our TEPS computer. It is obviously easier to have them all at the touch of a finger, and the tax rates are spread out through various documents, so they have been consolidated for practical use.


Here's one such document, shows the markup taxes or fee depending on your province. See Appendix A for Tobacco, Appendix B for Alcohol.

http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/dm-md/d2/d2-3-6-eng.pdf

To find the excise/duty calculations, you need to use a different document, I'll try and track that down. The duty is the variable, as it changes frequently.

Thanks a lot for this document Ebola.

So in NB, beer looks like a 64% markup plus GST on beer - OUCH! But strangely in NS it is only a penny / oz - MUCH less!

Might be worth making a round robin trip from here through Maine to the NS ferry up to the Digby ferry... :) Well not WORTH IT but if I ever did that for fun I will pick up some beer on the way :)

[brunes]

Here's another kinda complex question for you Ebola :)

Lets say (hypothetically) I was to buy a projector on eBay using my US mailing address and US paypal account so as to qualify for the 20% cxash back live.com rebate. The price I pay on eBay is $550, and that's what my paypal receipt shows. But really, I did not pay $500 for that projector, because I got 20% back, which means I only really ended up paying out $400. The thing is that 20% back comes from a different company (Microsoft) and would be a different receipt to show.

Now, when I came back into Canada - do I have to declare $400 or $500? If I declare only $400 and they ask for the receipt and I show them 1 receipt with the full price and another with the rebate, will that be OK?

This hypothetical situation is actually quite pertinent to me :) If I can indeed deduct the rebate and legally declare the $400 then it would be worth staying over the weekend to save that tax ( $115 )

EDIT: Actually now that I think about it it would probably be worth staying anyway as I woudl still save that money since I get the original $400 decudction regardless... would still liek to know though if I would pay tax on $400 or $500 in that situation.

[Ebola]

Here's another kinda complex question for you Ebola :)

Lets say (hypothetically) I was to buy a projector on eBay using my US mailing address and US paypal account so as to qualify for the 20% cxash back live.com rebate. The price I pay on eBay is $550, and that's what my paypal receipt shows. But really, I did not pay $500 for that projector, because I got 20% back, which means I only really ended up paying out $400. The thing is that 20% back comes from a different company (Microsoft) and would be a different receipt to show.

Now, when I came back into Canada - do I have to declare $400 or $500? If I declare only $400 and they ask for the receipt and I show them 1 receipt with the full price and another with the rebate, will that be OK?

This hypothetical situation is actually quite pertinent to me :) If I can indeed deduct the rebate and legally declare the $400 then it would be worth staying over the weekend to save that tax ( $115 )

EDIT: Actually now that I think about it it would probably be worth staying anyway as I woudl still save that money since I get the original $400 decudction regardless... would still liek to know though if I would pay tax on $400 or $500 in that situation.

Hey brunes,

I would have to say you are going to pay on the full $550 for that item.

While in the end it's only $400 it cost you, after you get a 3rd party rebate, the item itself cost $550 out of your pocket to acquire it.

In simplest terms, it's like you bought an item from Company A for $550, then Company B was nice enough to give you $150.

[Octavius]

Question:

Heading to the states tomorrow morning and I'll be gone for over 48 hours. I plan to use my 400.00 exemption to the absolute fullest, and then some.

Anyway, you had stated in the FAQ that I can bring back either 1 24 pack of beer or 1.14 L of alcohol as part of my personal exemption if I am gone longer than 48 hours.

Would that be ON TOP of my allowed 400 dollar exemption? As in, if the liquor was worth...let's say 45 bucks US...would that value be deducted from the 400 that I am permitted to bring back scott-free, or is it completely separate on it's own (as in, I could still use the full 400 dollar exemption towards other stuff that I bought and the liquor would not count towards that at all).

I live in Ontario by the way.

Thanks!

[phrozenn.heat]

Question:

Heading to the states tomorrow morning and I'll be gone for over 48 hours. I plan to use my 400.00 exemption to the absolute fullest, and then some.

Anyway, you had stated in the FAQ that I can bring back either 1 24 pack of beer or 1.14 L of alcohol as part of my personal exemption if I am gone longer than 48 hours.

Would that be ON TOP of my allowed 400 dollar exemption? As in, if the liquor was worth...let's say 45 bucks US...would that value be deducted from the 400 that I am permitted to bring back scott-free, or is it completely separate on it's own (as in, I could still use the full 400 dollar exemption towards other stuff that I bought and the liquor would not count towards that at all).

I live in Ontario by the way.

Thanks!


From experience, it is completely separate on it own. I wen to Michigan over one weekend and when I was crossing, I declared my full $400 plus a 24. Didn't get taxed for anything.

[Ebola]

Question:

Heading to the states tomorrow morning and I'll be gone for over 48 hours. I plan to use my 400.00 exemption to the absolute fullest, and then some.

Anyway, you had stated in the FAQ that I can bring back either 1 24 pack of beer or 1.14 L of alcohol as part of my personal exemption if I am gone longer than 48 hours.

Would that be ON TOP of my allowed 400 dollar exemption? As in, if the liquor was worth...let's say 45 bucks US...would that value be deducted from the 400 that I am permitted to bring back scott-free, or is it completely separate on it's own (as in, I could still use the full 400 dollar exemption towards other stuff that I bought and the liquor would not count towards that at all).

I live in Ontario by the way.

Thanks!


corrected: the value of the alcohol counts towards personal exemption.

[Octavius]

From experience, it is completely separate on it own. I wen to Michigan over one weekend and when I was crossing, I declared my full $400 plus a 24. Didn't get taxed for anything.


It for all intents and purposes stands on it's own. Ie. $400 worth of goods and 24 beer or a 40oz bottle.

Awesome!

Thanks Guys!

[cdngamerchic]

You did not answer my question except highlight how insecure your job is.

My question is completely legitimate and not illegal in any away; there is nothing secret about the border crossing except if you are a wanna-be super spy who failed to get into CSIS.

And your avatar pic may not have been a simple coincidence; your acting like that office hero...

Hey,
Your question is about trying to deceive federal enforcement officers - what kind of response are you looking for from Ebola exactly - "sure, let me help you deceive us..here is what we'll do, this is how you can foil us" NOT.
Seriously, you already know the answer dude. Stop messing with this thread and do something productive with your time so Ebola can help people with legitimate questions.

[brunes]

So I just got back from a few hours in the US, where I ran a "beer import experiment" - brought back a 6 pack of Sam Adams to see what the charges would actually be when you are there for a short period of time.

It breaks down like this:

Value for Duty = $7.56 (this is what the 6 pack cost)
Provincial Liquor Markup Fee: $6.72
HST: $1.07
Total Tax + Duty: $7.79
Total for 6 beer including duty: $15.34

This is not actually too bad at all, because if I had gotten a 12 pack it would have looked like this:

Value for Duty = $12.99
Provincial Liquor Markup Fee: $13.44
HST: 1.81
Total for 12 beer including duty: 28.24

This is not that bad for a 12 pack of a premium brand. confider, here in NB a 12 pack of Rickard's White is $22, so it is only $6 more. Small price to pay to enjoy a Sam Adams once in awhile!

Also becaue of the way the mth works out, the more you buy the less the duty is as a percentage of the beer. Next trip I will get a case :)

[Ebola]

So I just got back from a few hours in the US, where I ran a "beer import experiment" - brought back a 6 pack of Sam Adams to see what the charges would actually be when you are there for a short period of time.

It breaks down like this:

Value for Duty = $7.56 (this is what the 6 pack cost)
Provincial Liquor Markup Fee: $6.72
HST: $1.07
Total Tax + Duty: $7.79
Total for 6 beer including duty: $15.34

This is not actually too bad at all, because if I had gotten a 12 pack it would have looked like this:

Value for Duty = $12.99
Provincial Liquor Markup Fee: $13.44
HST: 1.81
Total for 12 beer including duty: 28.24

This is not that bad for a 12 pack of a premium brand. confider, here in NB a 12 pack of Rickard's White is $22, so it is only $6 more. Small price to pay to enjoy a Sam Adams once in awhile!

Also becaue of the way the mth works out, the more you buy the less the duty is as a percentage of the beer. Next trip I will get a case :)

There you go.

The tables I posted were for Ontario, good to see another province.. I'm assuming NB?

[honest thief]

How often does the glass toilet get used?

[brunes]

There you go.

The tables I posted were for Ontario, good to see another province.. I'm assuming NB?

Yep NB.

[Cheap Cat]

I was wondering how you should declare non taxable items? I just came back and declared the total dollar value of what I was bringing back. So the CBSA writes it down and I go in to pay. Since they charge you based on that amount, what happens with the non taxable items or items only subjected to one tax. I mentiond to the agent that I had some non taxable items so he just knocked off some money off the total. He didn't even look at my receipts. Would it be easier if when purchasing, to have non taxable items on a separate receipt and declare it as a separate amount? I also had some grocery items that I consumed in the US and was not returning with them (well, not in the obvious way :D ) that appeared on my receipt with items that I was returning with. How should I handle those things?

I find the whole process odd. CBSAs just seem to be happy that you give them a number and they collect taxes based on that number. Thanks for your time.

[Ebola]

I was wondering how you should declare non taxable items? I just came back and declared the total dollar value of what I was bringing back. So the CBSA writes it down and I go in to pay. Since they charge you based on that amount, what happens with the non taxable items or items only subjected to one tax. I mentiond to the agent that I had some non taxable items so he just knocked off some money off the total. He didn't even look at my receipts. Would it be easier if when purchasing, to have non taxable items on a separate receipt and declare it as a separate amount? I also had some grocery items that I consumed in the US and was not returning with them (well, not in the obvious way :D ) that appeared on my receipt with items that I was returning with. How should I handle those things?

I find the whole process odd. CBSAs just seem to be happy that you give them a number and they collect taxes based on that number. Thanks for your time.

You can declare them as taxable and non-taxable seperately if you want, as long as you declare them all. You might get asked what exactly you mean by non-taxable items.

If you dont have the food items with you whole , ie you ate them, you dont have to declare them.

The reason they just take the number you gave them is because there is more important stuff to be doing then adding up receipt totals. You give us a number, you pay taxes on it, if we check your dec. and you lied, you get penalized.

[Ebola]

How often does the glass toilet get used?

I would say infrequently, but more than rarely.

[samung]

Ebola, great FAQ. I have one question about this sentence from the FAQ:

"There are exceptions. Short term visitors from foreign countries do not usually pay taxes, unless the items are said to be staying behind when they leave."

How is this enforced?

For example, suppose a Canadian citizen goes to Buffalo and buys a new stereo for $500, way above his daily exemption. So, what if he calls his American citizen buddy in Buffalo and asks him to carry it back to Canada for him?

Now when they arrive at the border each in their own separate cars, the Canadian declares nothing at the border and the American says that the new stereo is his and it won't be staying behind. Now when they are both in Canada, the American gives the stereo to the Canadian. When the American goes back to the US, who checks that he still has the stereo?

[Ebola]

Ebola, great FAQ. I have one question about this sentence from the FAQ:

"There are exceptions. Short term visitors from foreign countries do not usually pay taxes, unless the items are said to be staying behind when they leave."

How is this enforced?

For example, suppose a Canadian citizen goes to Buffalo and buys a new stereo for $500, way above his daily exemption. So, what if he calls his American citizen buddy in Buffalo and asks him to carry it back to Canada for him?

Now when they arrive at the border each in their own separate cars, the Canadian declares nothing at the border and the American says that the new stereo is his and it won't be staying behind. Now when they are both in Canada, the American gives the stereo to the Canadian. When the American goes back to the US, who checks that he still has the stereo?


It's up to the BSO upon entry (or secondary) to determine if the goods are actually coming into Canada for their stated purpose, and if they believe the goods will actually be leaving the country.

[samung]

Okay, so when the American arrives at the Canadian border, suppose he declares the stereo and states that he will keep it. The BSO could refuse to believe that story and send him back to the US. Is that all that happens?

Also, what are some possible reasons that the BSO wouldn't believe the story and refuse entry?

[Ebola]

Okay, so when the American arrives at the Canadian border, suppose he declares the stereo and states that he will keep it. The BSO could refuse to believe that story and send him back to the US. Is that all that happens?

Also, what are some possible reasons that the BSO wouldn't believe the story and refuse entry?

I'm not saying he would be refused entry. I'm saying if the BSO doesn't believe the goods will leave Canada, he/she can just make the person pay the taxes owing to bring it in, and if they prove they export it later, they can apply for a tax refund.

I'm not going to go into reasons, as I think it's pretty obvious who you are and what you are trying to accomplish here.

[samung]

Thanks Ebola, you've been very informative.

[brunes]

Okay, so when the American arrives at the Canadian border, suppose he declares the stereo and states that he will keep it. The BSO could refuse to believe that story and send him back to the US. Is that all that happens?

Also, what are some possible reasons that the BSO wouldn't believe the story and refuse entry?

If you really want to try this scam, the safest way to try to get an amerifriend to import something in for you (that is small-ish in size) is to wrap it in gift wrap and declare it as a gift of something < $60, since gifts are tax and duty free. Unless the officer is having a very bad day they will not unwrap the gift.

But ask yourself - is it REALLY WORTH THE RISK to save, what $15-$20 in taxes? Because if your friend / you ARE searched and caught, you will likely be denied entry due to attempted smuggling of goods, and then any subsequent attempt at crossing the border could cause you to be subjected to additional searches and/or turned back for no reason at all. This can have an impact on your carreer prospects as well, because any job that requires cross-border travel is not going to be an option for you now.

IMO it is not - just pay up the $15 - $20 and stop being so cheap. You probably spent 3 times that just in gas on the way back.

[Ebola]

If he's not DTSU I'll slap myself in the face.

[samung]

If you really want to try this scam, the safest way to try to get an amerifriend to import something in for you (that is small-ish in size) is to wrap it in gift wrap and declare it as a gift of something < $60, since gifts are tax and duty free. Unless the officer is having a very bad day they will not unwrap the gift.

Really? I would think that that would arouse more suspicion -- a brand new item in box being brought across the border. I suppose the point is that the American would be lying about the contents of the gift. I would think discarding any packaging and stickers from the item and just leaving it in the backseat and declaring that it�s the American�s would be less suspicious.


But ask yourself - is it REALLY WORTH THE RISK to save, what $15-$20 in taxes? Because if your friend / you ARE searched and caught, you will likely be denied entry due to attempted smuggling of goods, and then any subsequent attempt at crossing the border could cause you to be subjected to additional searches and/or turned back for no reason at all. This can have an impact on your carreer prospects as well, because any job that requires cross-border travel is not going to be an option for you now.

IMO it is not - just pay up the $15 - $20 and stop being so cheap. You probably spent 3 times that just in gas on the way back.

I didn�t realize the American could get busted for smuggling goods into Canada -- the same goods that he has declared to the BSO. From Ebola�s reply, it sounded like the BSO would only make the American pay duty/taxes on the item(s) being brought in (that the BSO suspected wouldn�t be brought back to the US) and the American could get a refund for the duty/taxes paid upon return to the US. This is much more serious. Thanks for the updated information.

[evoman]

Hi Ebola,

Im thinking of buying a 52" LCD TV back to canada.

If the TV is not made in US or Mexico, how much duty would i be charged?

Also I will stay for 48 hours, can the $400 exemption be applied towards the TV, and can i combine it with my girlfriends exemption?

Final question, Will i get taxed for also bringing in Tobacco and alcohol?

$2500 52" LCD TV
-$400 exemption
-$400 exemption
x Duty
x GST/PST
200 Cigs/ 1.14 L acohol (Tax Exempt?)

Thanks alot for the help!

[Bully001]

This is not enough detail at all. What I would like to know is

- How much / bottle of beer, or if / L based, how much / L duty
- How much / L of hard liquor duty
- Whether or not GST/PST is added on top of that duty
- Someone who could point me to an official source for said information, either on the CBSA website or some other document I could get a copy of, so I can be confident when I approach the border I am correct in my assessment of my expected duty

Hopefully the OP or another CBSA employee can shed some light.

EDIT: Also I would like more information on this statement:

Does this apply to the alcohol import duties as well? I have a close friend who is status; if we went across the border and he purchased the liquor, with his money, could he import it tax free? I am not trying to weasel around the law I just really would liek to have some of my favorite beer :P

My friend went across the border for a day and purchased a bottle of Tequila for $20 as it was less than half the price than Canada. She figured, after paying the duty etc, it would still be a deal. Anyway, being the honest person she is, she declared it and was told to go inside and pay the tax. They wanted $47 in tax, for this one $20 bottle of Tequila!! She didn't pay it and left it at the border.

All they did was turn an honest person into a dis-honest person, as the next time she goes across, she won't declare it coming back.

Unfortunate really.

[Cheap Cat]

My friend went across the border for a day and purchased a bottle of Tequila for $20 as it was less than half the price than Canada. She figured, after paying the duty etc, it would still be a deal. Anyway, being the honest person she is, she declared it and was told to go inside and pay the tax. They wanted $47 in tax, for this one $20 bottle of Tequila!! She didn't pay it and left it at the border.

All they did was turn an honest person into a dis-honest person, as the next time she goes across, she won't declare it coming back.

Unfortunate really.

It was always my understanding that the duties/taxes on alcohol were so high that it was not worth it if you were staying under 48 hours or purchasing over the allowed amount. As a result, I have always stayed within the rules on alcohol especially since in the past, how much alcohol you were bringing back seemed to be the main focus at the border.

[Ebola]

My friend went across the border for a day and purchased a bottle of Tequila for $20 as it was less than half the price than Canada. She figured, after paying the duty etc, it would still be a deal. Anyway, being the honest person she is, she declared it and was told to go inside and pay the tax. They wanted $47 in tax, for this one $20 bottle of Tequila!! She didn't pay it and left it at the border.

All they did was turn an honest person into a dis-honest person, as the next time she goes across, she won't declare it coming back.

Unfortunate really.

Damn crooks.

So she bought a cheap bottle of tequila, for $20 I'm guessing it was either a 40oz or 60 oz bottle, without actually inquiring as to how much the import taxes would be prior to buying it?

She declares the bottle like she is legally supposed to, gets told how much the taxes will be if she wants to declare it, doesn't like the taxes on the liquor, and then somehow it gets warped into being "im being punished for being honest."

I disagree, you get punished for being dishonest, when the alcohol is seized, you don't get it back, and you still have to pay a fine.

[Bully001]

Damn crooks.

So she bought a cheap bottle of tequila, for $20 I'm guessing it was either a 40oz or 60 oz bottle, without actually inquiring as to how much the import taxes would be prior to buying it?

She declares the bottle like she is legally supposed to, gets told how much the taxes will be if she wants to declare it, doesn't like the taxes on the liquor, and then somehow it gets warped into being "im being punished for being honest."

I disagree, you get punished for being dishonest, when the alcohol is seized, you don't get it back, and you still have to pay a fine.


I disagree. I don't mind paying gst, pst and a bit of duty on any product I bring back, but when that tax is over 100% of the cost of the item, then the criminals are the government...sorry.

For the record, can you tell me what the actual breakdown of taxes would be on a $20 of Tequila?

[honest thief]

What happens to all the legal goods that are seized?

[Nikita]

My friend went across the border for a day and purchased a bottle of Tequila for $20 as it was less than half the price than Canada. She figured, after paying the duty etc, it would still be a deal. Anyway, being the honest person she is, she declared it and was told to go inside and pay the tax. They wanted $47 in tax, for this one $20 bottle of Tequila!! She didn't pay it and left it at the border.

All they did was turn an honest person into a dis-honest person, as the next time she goes across, she won't declare it coming back.

Unfortunate really.

It's unfortunate you're friend will make a false declaration over a bottle of booze. Perhaps she should just shop Canadian if her alochol is that important to her and keep everyone honest.

[brunes]

I disagree. I don't mind paying gst, pst and a bit of duty on any product I bring back, but when that tax is over 100% of the cost of the item, then the criminals are the government...sorry.

For the record, can you tell me what the actual breakdown of taxes would be on a $20 of Tequila?

So.... you recognize that the booze is way cheaper in the US because it is not taxed, yet when you import it into Canada yourself (instead of LCBO importing it), you expect to not pay those same taxes?

It is cheaper in the US for a reason, it isn't a free ride importing liquor. See my earlier posts on importing beer - costly, but IMO worth it sometimes.

Also just for a quid - last year when me and my wife were returning from our honeymoon, we had 8 40oz bottles of liquor with us - we were on a cruise and they were only like $10 each, and I did the math and it was still much cheaper to import even after the taxes.

So we are going through, at like 1 AM, and said we were on our honeymoon and had all this booze, and they guy just waived us through. So yes, it CAN pay to be honest.

[CSK'sMom]

I disagree. I don't mind paying gst, pst and a bit of duty on any product I bring back, but when that tax is over 100% of the cost of the item, then the criminals are the government...sorry.

For the record, can you tell me what the actual breakdown of taxes would be on a $20 of Tequila?

What province are you importing into? Each province is different.

And I'll echo brunes here. Honesty pays! We pick up 1 or 2 12 packs of beer every week, fully declare and have been getting waved through week after week. Now if your "friend" gets caught smuggling booze it will get quite messy. At the very least she will be flagged at the border each and every time she crosses and sent for secondary inspection for years to come...

[brunes]

Really? I would think that that would arouse more suspicion -- a brand new item in box being brought across the border. I suppose the point is that the American would be lying about the contents of the gift. I would think discarding any packaging and stickers from the item and just leaving it in the backseat and declaring that it�s the American�s would be less suspicious.

Having a brand new stereo bouncing around open in the back of a car for no reason, you don't think that is suspicious?



I didn�t realize the American could get busted for smuggling goods into Canada -- the same goods that he has declared to the BSO.


It is totally up the the BSO's discretion. If you declare the thing is yours, and the BSO thinks you are lying and trying to smuggle it in for someone else or to sell it, and they are having a bad day, then yes they CAN search your car, turn you away, put a red flag on your record. If you then act like a complete jerk-off to them they can even hold you.

Odds are that wouldn't happen, they would just charge the duty, but WHY TAKE THE RISK FOR $15 ??!?!

The stuff people will try to pull amazes me.


From Ebola�s reply, it sounded like the BSO would only make the American pay duty/taxes on the item(s) being brought in (that the BSO suspected wouldn�t be brought back to the US) and the American could get a refund for the duty/taxes paid upon return to the US.Oh and also the Amerifriend in your situation can't get the duty refunded because they didn't bring the stereo back across the border, they left it with you, so they have nothing to show when the BSO asks to see the item as proof they didn't leave it. You have to prove you did not export the item to get the refund.

[samung]

Having a brand new stereo bouncing around open in the back of a car for no reason, you don't think that is suspicious?

Well of course the American will give a reason. The American in the example is declaring it, so there's nothing hidden going on here. He could say that he's going to a party and he's providing the music or something like that. I've done that before with one of those iPod stereo bases that the iPod plugs into, so it's not that farfetched.


It is totally up the the BSO's discretion. If you declare the thing is yours, and the BSO thinks you are lying and trying to smuggle it in for someone else or to sell it, and they are having a bad day, then yes they CAN search your car, turn you away, put a red flag on your record. If you then act like a complete jerk-off to them they can even hold you.

Okay, so what you're saying is that the American can get into hot water if he starts acting like a jerk. What I'm asking though is what will happen if he just declares the stereo as his and the BSO doesn't believe him. No tirade afterwards, no screaming, just acceptance from the American of the BSO's judgement. What is the worst that can happen then? Ebola's response sounds like taxes and duties.


Oh and also the Amerifriend in your situation can't get the duty refunded because they didn't bring the stereo back across the border, they left it with you, so they have nothing to show when the BSO asks to see the item as proof they didn't leave it. You have to prove you did not export the item to get the refund.

Haha.. well, of course he would have to show the stereo to get the refund. C'mon Brunes, give the BSO a little more credit than that.

[brunes]

Okay, so what you're saying is that the American can get into hot water if he starts acting like a jerk. What I'm asking though is what will happen if he just declares the stereo as his and the BSO doesn't believe him. No tirade afterwards, no screaming, just acceptance from the American of the BSO's judgement. What is the worst that can happen then? Ebola's response sounds like taxes and duties.
Again, it totally depends on the BSO, it is their discretion. If they don't even want to deal with you and your lies they can just plain refuse you entry, at which point your account has a red flag on it for an extended period of time, which will lead to additional secondary searches pretty much any time you need to cross the border.

People need to get a hold of the fact that in pretty much every situation it is THE BSO'S DISCRETION WHAT HAPPENS. If you are suspicious, belligerent, being an ass, or they just plain trying to get away with something, they have every right to turn you away, period. An American DOES NOT have a fundamental right to enter Canada, it is a privilege, and they can be turned back for ANY REASON the BSO feels is relevant. The same goes in reverse too with Canadians entering the US.


Haha.. well, of course he would have to show the stereo to get the refund. C'mon Brunes, give the BSO a little more credit than that.
Well then your whole scheme would have no point to it then would it?

[samung]

Again, it totally depends on the BSO, it is their discretion. If they don't even want to deal with you and your lies they can just plain refuse you entry, at which point your account has a red flag on it for an extended period of time, which will lead to additional secondary searches pretty much any time you need to cross the border.

So, the American could be refused entry. That seems to contradict what Ebola said.


I'm not saying he would be refused entry. I'm saying if the BSO doesn't believe the goods will leave Canada, he/she can just make the person pay the taxes owing to bring it in, and if they prove they export it later, they can apply for a tax refund.


People need to get a hold of the fact that in pretty much every situation it is THE BSO'S DISCRETION WHAT HAPPENS. If you are suspicious, belligerent, being an ass, or they just plain trying to get away with something, they have every right to turn you away, period. An American DOES NOT have a fundamental right to enter Canada, it is a privilege, and they can be turned back for ANY REASON the BSO feels is relevant. The same goes in reverse too with Canadians entering the US.

No one is arguing that the BSO is not calling the shots. And the American in my example is respectful when answering questions. There's no point being belligerent or argumentative, it's not going to change the BSO's mind. The only question is what the BSO can do if he suspects the American is lying.


Well then your whole scheme would have no point to it then would it?

Well, yes, if the American pays duty and taxes then it's the same. But the difference is that the American can claim that the goods are his and he will keep them (within reason of course, bringing over a 50" plasma will probably not work). The Canadian can make that same claim and it won't make a difference, he should pay duty on what he's bringing in.

The point is that the American has a better chance of not paying duty/taxes than the Canadian, that's the difference. Of course, it's all up to the BSO and nothing is 100%.

[brunes]

So, the American could be refused entry. That seems to contradict what Ebola said.
Not it des not. Ebola said it was LIKELY he would just be charged the tax.



The only question is what the BSO can do if he suspects the American is lying.

What a BSO is likely to od, and what the CAN do, are two very different things. Again, BSOs are given a very wide latitude with this stuff, after all they are the guardians of the country. They can turn anyone without citizenship back, at any time, for any reason whatsoever. They can also detain them if they think something shady is going on. It is totally up to the officers involved.


The point is that the American has a better chance of not paying duty/taxes than the Canadian, that's the difference. Of course, it's all up to the BSO and nothing is 100%.
He also has a better chance of being flagged and turned away than a Canadian because he is not a citizen.

Again I ask - is it really worth all this potential hassle to you and your friend to save $15? If I was your friend no way I would try it, I wouldn't put my butt on the line to save you twenty bucks.

[samung]

Not it des not. Ebola said it was LIKELY he would just be charged the tax.


What a BSO is likely to od, and what the CAN do, are two very different things. Again, BSOs are given a very wide latitude with this stuff, after all they are the guardians of the country. They can turn anyone without citizenship back, at any time, for any reason whatsoever. They can also detain them if they think something shady is going on. It is totally up to the officers involved.

Okay, so the worst case scenario is indeed refused entry, blacklisted, detained (indefinitely?) all at the whim of the BSO.

I wouldn�t blame an American for being afraid of crossing the border if that�s the case. The BSO could reason that everything from the shirt on the American�s back to the American�s car could be left behind in Canada (he could walk back to the US in his underwear).

That is very enlightening, thanks for the information.

[brunes]

Okay, so the worst case scenario is indeed refused entry, blacklisted, detained (indefinitely?) all at the whim of the BSO.

I wouldn�t blame an American for being afraid of crossing the border if that�s the case. The BSO could reason that everything from the shirt on the American�s back to the American�s car could be left behind in Canada (he could walk back to the US in his underwear).

That is very enlightening, thanks for the information.

If you're turned back the BSO does not seize anything unless it was arms or drugs or other contraband.

[samung]

If you're turned back the BSO does not seize anything unless it was arms or drugs or other contraband.

Okay, I don't think my worst case scenario included seizure of property. Thanks, that's good to know.

So, just to be crystal clear. Let's assume a new example with just an American crossing the border into Canada. Suppose the American has a new set of golf clubs in a new bag and nothing else. No drugs, alcohol, tobacco, firearms, kidnapped minors, nothing.

Suppose the American declares the golf clubs and bag and suppose he claims that he is going to go golfing at some golf course in Ontario (he uses a real name not "some golf course", I don't know any, I don't golf) and he's just going to come back to the US later that night.

So, the BSO has a few options at this point:
a) let him through
b) ask more questions
c) have his car searched (which would turn up nothing because he really has only what he declared)
d) suspect he's exporting the clubs and charge him duty/taxes on them and inform him that he can get a refund upon his return to the US provided he can produce the clubs

Now, is refused entry, blacklisted and detained (no seizure of goods since he has no contraband) an option at this point? Even if it's not likely, can the BSO do that? This is all assuming that he doesn't suspect the American of anything more than exporting golf clubs. Also assume that the American has a clean record and is relaxed and calm when answering the BSO's questions.

[Ebola]

What happens to all the legal goods that are seized?

Held for certain period of time, then destroyed.

Vehicles seized by the crown will generally go to public auction. Like a police auction, that kind of thing.

[perfchris]

Can personal exemptions be combined ?

If I buy a 1200 dollar item, and we are 2 people returning from the US after a 7 day trip, can we combine our exemption ?

Thanks for your help.

How does it work if the item is going to follow in a couple of weeks. Does it need to be brought in by one of the 2 people that is claiming the item in the next couple of weeks ?

[cwb27]

Can personal exemptions be combined ?

If I buy a 1200 dollar item, and we are 2 people returning from the US after a 7 day trip, can we combine our exemption ?

Thanks for your help.

How does it work if the item is going to follow in a couple of weeks. Does it need to be brought in by one of the 2 people that is claiming the item in the next couple of weeks ?

No, exemptions cannot be combined.

Read the link in my signature for further information.

[Ebola]

Can personal exemptions be combined ?

If I buy a 1200 dollar item, and we are 2 people returning from the US after a 7 day trip, can we combine our exemption ?

Thanks for your help.

How does it work if the item is going to follow in a couple of weeks. Does it need to be brought in by one of the 2 people that is claiming the item in the next couple of weeks ?

Exemptions cannot be combined.

If the item is going to follow in a couple weeks, when you enter Canada, you have to declare to the BSO that you have goods to follow, and you will have to fill out a form stating that under your 7+ day exemption of $750, you are claiming x item as a good to follow. We will give you a copy of this form, and then you will bring it with you to accompany the goods when you bring them in.

[mike28j]

How does this scenario work in terms of paying taxes. I'm going to Darien Lake and am camping near by. When crossing the boarder lets say I pick up a case of beer or bottle of liquor. While camping I consume half of the beer and return the following night to Canada. I've been gone for less than the 48hours needed for the alcohol exemption. If I get taxed, will the taxes I pay be based on a full unopen version of the product or what actually remains?

Second, If you are traveling through the states (IE New Brunswick to Toronto stopping in Boston longer than 48hrs) purchase alcohol in New Brunswick as well as at Duty free. Will you be taxed on the alcohol you purhcased in Canada? assuming you keep the receipts showing the alochol was originally purchased in Canada.

Thanks in advance.
Mike

[Ebola]

How does this scenario work in terms of paying taxes. I'm going to Darien Lake and am camping near by. When crossing the boarder lets say I pick up a case of beer or bottle of liquor. While camping I consume half of the beer and return the following night to Canada. I've been gone for less than the 48hours needed for the alcohol exemption. If I get taxed, will the taxes I pay be based on a full unopen version of the product or what actually remains?

Second, If you are traveling through the states (IE New Brunswick to Toronto stopping in Boston longer than 48hrs) purchase alcohol in New Brunswick as well as at Duty free. Will you be taxed on the alcohol you purhcased in Canada? assuming you keep the receipts showing the alochol was originally purchased in Canada.

Thanks in advance.
Mike

Mike,

In the Darien Lake example, you'd only be taxed on whatever you have with you.

As for Canadian alcohol, if you can show it is Canadian, no taxes.

[Howlader]

Here's another (very pleasing to me) story to add the pile:

I went down to Grand Forks yesterday with a couple of friends for all of about 6 hours. We had some dinner, and I bought two 6-packs of beer, and I was all prepared to shell out the required tax/duty required on said beer, but my friends and I were just waved on through at the border.

As always, YMMV, but I thought it would be good to add a positive (depending upon your point of view) story to the mix.

[Makaveli the Don]

When is it absolutely necessary to have a passport to cross the border?

[kpolly]

I have a question. My husband's parents bought a new camping trailer and told us that we are welcome to use their truck and trailer whenever. I would like to take a trip to the finger lakes ny region with it. Seeing as how the truck and trailer is not in our names, is this do-able? If so, how do I go about doing this properly?

[Ebola]

When is it absolutely necessary to have a passport to cross the border?

Looks like Summer 09. Search WHTI to find out more, it's basically a US imposed regulation.


I have a question. My husband's parents bought a new camping trailer and told us that we are welcome to use their truck and trailer whenever. I would like to take a trip to the finger lakes ny region with it. Seeing as how the truck and trailer is not in our names, is this do-able? If so, how do I go about doing this properly?

Get a signed letter showing you have their permission and knowledge to take the vehicles to x location.

[kpolly]

Thanks so much, Ebola, for your reply :)

[mike28j]

Mike,


As for Canadian alcohol, if you can show it is Canadian, no taxes.

Thanks for the info.

I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this, but better to ask and be sure. Is alcohol purchased at the Canadian Duty Free (on your way in to the US) considered 'Canadian alcohol'? My assumption is no, solely because you haven't paid Canadian taxes on it. But again, its always better to know than to assume right?

Thanks again,

Mike

[Ebola]

Thanks for the info.

I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this, but better to ask and be sure. Is alcohol purchased at the Canadian Duty Free (on your way in to the US) considered 'Canadian alcohol'? My assumption is no, solely because you haven't paid Canadian taxes on it. But again, its always better to know than to assume right?

Thanks again,

Mike

It's considered "non-duty paid" alcohol, which is really what we are talking about when we say "Canadian" or "Foreign" alcohol.

Combine that with the fact that duty free stores sell for export only, it counts as non-duty paid alcohol being imported, and thus it's either part of your exemption or you have to pay taxes on it.

[chaoslord]

what if you bring alcohol from your home (paid at normal canadian store) and still have some left when you come back from the US ?

I guess you'd have to show proof or they won't even take that?

[Ebola]

what if you bring alcohol from your home (paid at normal canadian store) and still have some left when you come back from the US ?

I guess you'd have to show proof or they won't even take that?

That's really starting to split hairs. Technically, yes you'd have to show it was Canadian alcohol. At any rate, you have to declare all alcohol regardless of origin.

[nisha_s03]

hi all,

so this is my first time going to the states with my family from toronto. My question is, can my mom use her citizenship card and health card (the new one with picture) as ID because she doesn't have a drivers license and her passport needs to be renewed. btw we're only going there for a day if that matters.

thanks in advance

Nisha

[canadiannancy]

If I just have a birth certificate(Canadian) and photo health card and no drivers license or passport...will I even be able to cross the border by bus for cross border shopping?

[CSK'sMom]

hi all,

so this is my first time going to the states with my family from toronto. My question is, can my mom use her citizenship card and health card (the new one with picture) as ID because she doesn't have a drivers license and her passport needs to be renewed. btw we're only going there for a day if that matters.

thanks in advance

Nisha


If I just have a birth certificate(Canadian) and photo health card and no drivers license or passport...will I even be able to cross the border by bus for cross border shopping?

Proof of citizenship and gov't issued photo ID (yes a health card is acceptable) is what is required to cross by land...

[brunes]

Proof of citizenship and gov't issued photo ID (yes a health card is acceptable) is what is required to cross by land...

Just a note that this is only good till June next year, after which you *NEED* a passport. Best to apply as soon as is reasonable as sometimes it takes awhile.

[CSK'sMom]

Just a note that this is only good till June next year, after which you *NEED* a passport. Best to apply as soon as is reasonable as sometimes it takes awhile.

Not quite true. An enhanced drivers license, a new gov't issued enhanced ID or a Nexus card will be acceptable in place of a passport....

[CheapScotsman]

Just a note that this is only good till June next year, after which you *NEED* a passport. Best to apply as soon as is reasonable as sometimes it takes awhile.maybe ... they have pushed the requirement for passports at least once if not twice before so it may happen again.

[BlazinTrini]

I don't think they count your health card as ID for border crossing

[CSK'sMom]

I don't think they count your health card as ID for border crossing


Yes they do, it's perfectable acceptable photo ID with US Immigration. I cross several times a week with mine. ;) :rolleyes:

[brunes]

Not quite true. An enhanced drivers license, a new gov't issued enhanced ID or a Nexus card will be acceptable in place of a passport....

Nexus is more expensive and time consuming to get than a passport anyway (you have to have an actual face to face interview at a border point). It really is only geared for people who cross on land very frequently. People who only cross occasionally are better off getting a passport because it is more useful in general.

Enhanced licenses are not finalized and are still in pilot phases and who knows if/when they will even be out to the ful public and accepted. They say they will be final and out by June but who knows, it is the government after all. Lots of privacy groups are fighting court batt;es to have them aboloished altogether, and they may be against the privacy provisions in the Charter.

EDIT: Correction I guess it is good for air crossings too, but it's still more expensive and less useful than a passport. All citizens should have a passport IMO - should be issued instead of a birth certificate even.

[ChopSuey]

Ummm... how is a NEXUS pass (which is $50) more expensive than a passport (which is $87)? Please try to get the facts straight before you post details like this on RFD. :)

[brunes]

Ummm... how is a NEXUS pass (which is $50) more expensive than a passport (which is $87)? Please try to get the facts straight before you post details like this on RFD. :)

Did they change the NEXUS fee? It used to be $80. And when I got my passport 1.5 years ago it was ~ $75. I guess both prices have changed.

EDIT: I was right, as recent as Mar. last year it was $80. CANPASS $50 Per year. Nexus $80 for five years. http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:dwUwZ-SPY0sJ:www.canflyer.com/canflyer/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D2%26t%3D1572%26start%3D15+nexu s+card+fee&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=16&gl=ca&client=firefox-a

[Cheap Cat]

I wouldn't hold out waiting for an enchanced license. I'm still waiting for a Health Card with my picture on it. Didn't they start doing this at least 15 years ago?

[ChopSuey]

Did they change the NEXUS fee? It used to be $80. And when I got my passport 1.5 years ago it was ~ $75. I guess both prices have changed.

EDIT: I was right, as recent as Mar. last year it was $80. CANPASS $50 Per year. Nexus $80 for five years. http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:dwUwZ-SPY0sJ:www.canflyer.com/canflyer/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D2%26t%3D1572%26start%3D15+nexu s+card+fee&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=16&gl=ca&client=firefox-a

It was changed about a year ago due to the exchange rate and CDNs were upset that they were paying $80 for NEXUS while Americans were only paying $50. After the price drop to $50, I joined NEXUS and it has been worth it since day one. No more wait at the borders. :)

[brunes]

It was changed about a year ago due to the exchange rate and CDNs were upset that they were paying $80 for NEXUS while Americans were only paying $50. After the price drop to $50, I joined NEXUS and it has been worth it since day one. No more wait at the borders. :)

The crossing here has removed it's Nexus lane :/ So there would be zero benefit.

[BlazinTrini]

I wouldn't hold out waiting for an enchanced license. I'm still waiting for a Health Card with my picture on it. Didn't they start doing this at least 15 years ago?

You can get your health card with the picture on it. You just go where you would get your health card and take the picture and its mailed out to you

[ChopSuey]

The crossing here has removed it's Nexus lane :/ So there would be zero benefit.

Is this the crossing in Woodstock, NB? According to the NEXUS web site, they are rebuilding the NEXUS booth on the US side. The Canadian side is still running, but their hours are pretty pathetic (Monday to Friday 3 pm to 6 pm only).

I use NEXUS in Niagara Falls, and since NEXUS users have their own bridge (Whirpool Bridge) it makes crossing the border a breeze. Their hours of operation is great too (open everyday 7 am to 11 pm).

[brunes]

Is this the crossing in Woodstock, NB? According to the NEXUS web site, they are rebuilding the NEXUS booth on the US side. The Canadian side is still running, but their hours are pretty pathetic (Monday to Friday 3 pm to 6 pm only).

I use NEXUS in Niagara Falls, and since NEXUS users have their own bridge (Whirpool Bridge) it makes crossing the border a breeze. Their hours of operation is great too (open everyday 7 am to 11 pm).

Yep that is the crossing I usually use. 50 mins from here.

The crossing here is not normally too busy anyway. If you know the patterns and time your trips right you aren't waiting longer than 5 minutes. The only time there have ever been big delays is when the US side is doing one of it's random drug search operations with the dogs and basically are inspecting every second trunk.

[mtseymourguy]

do the cdn border guards know if you are a nexus holder from their screen? what info do they have about you nexus applicaton?

[Narci]

Yay, i got my nexus today. Was pretty simple and only took a month and a half. It could have been faster if I called every so often to see if anyone cancelled or they have more openings.

The iris scan thing for air crossing was a pain in the butt. It made me cross eyed when they took 9 photos of my iris's.

Anways, $50 for 5 years is worth it. Peace Arch will have 2 dedicated nexus lanes when it finishes construction and the Pacific Truck Nexus lane has extended it's hours to be the same as Peace arch.

This past weekend, it was a 2-3 hour wait. My friend went with her Nexus and only took her 10 minutes.

One thing they do not tell you is that you cannot stack Nexus cards going INTO the states. You have to swipe them one by one. Coming back into Canada you can just stacks all the Nexus cards in your car and hold it up to the sensor once.


Also, did anyone fill in the full application form on GOES? I didn't bother filling in my car details and such. You only have to fill in key pieces of info, not all.

[zoolander]

Looking to buy some hardwood here (http://www.lumberliquidators.com/home.jsp).

Just wanted to confirm only PST/GST applies?

[Narci]

Looking to buy some hardwood here (http://www.lumberliquidators.com/home.jsp).

Just wanted to confirm only PST/GST applies?

Depends on whre it's made. If it made outside of the USA, there will be duty imposed on it on top of gst/pst.

[mtseymourguy]

Looking to buy some hardwood here (http://www.lumberliquidators.com/home.jsp).

Just wanted to confirm only PST/GST applies?

my sheet i have says 8 percent for category 4?? I thought it was 6 %.

if the wood is made in USA, there will be no duty. they never charge duty anyway unless you go through nexus lane. it might depend on how much you are buying but under 500 bucks they dont seem to charge the applicable duty

[mtseymourguy]

Can anyone confirm that they charge duty if you go through nexus line if it is due? unlike going through regular line where they dont usually charge you.

[brunes]

There is no way you're going to be charged duty on a bunch of wood. You'll only have to pay the applicable tax.

[pkguy]

With the Nexus card and utilizing the Nexus lanes back into Canada you must have previously given Customs your credit card number. They then give you a package of customs forms. You must pre- fill out the form listing everything you bought and the value and drop it in the mailbox at the Nexus kiosk as you drive thru. You cannot declare stuff at the Nexus kiosk. NOTICE "Pre-fill" the form, you don't fill it out at the kiosk.
You will be charged applicable taxes and duties on your credit card with NO exceptions so you have to decide whether you want to speed thru the Nexus lanes and definitely pay tax and duty or go in the slow regular lanes and possibly not pay anything. Choice is yours.

And before you go thinking that oh ya,,easy way to sneak stuff through becauase they don't check.. they do random checks of Nexus holders at the Nexus lanes and if you get caught you lose your card forever and whatever else they may add to the punishment. I'd also imagine it goes on your file and you're flagged each and every time you cross the border in either direction for special attention.

I'ts dumb trying to sneak stuff thru just to save a few bucks here and there when most of the time you never pay anything for declaring. Why ruin the chance that you'll be denied entry into the US forever for being such a cheapskate.

[CSK'sMom]

Zoolander, everyone we know who has bought hardwood from LL and crossed through Niagara has not paid duty, just the taxes due. We didn't pay duty either on my new range (should have) or OTR microwave, just taxes due...

[zoolander]

Thanks CSK! Thought I'd double check with the RFD border guys but you've confirmed it.
Cheers :)

[pkguy]

Something else to remember...we have free trade agreements with other countries besides the US and Mexico so if you're bringing in something from the USA that was made in one of those other countries that Canada has a free trade agreement with then you shouldn't be paying duty on that item either, just taxes if anything. Keep that in mind if you're buying something pricey. Maybe the guy here who works for Customs can expand on that.

[Ebola]

Something else to remember...we have free trade agreements with other countries besides the US and Mexico so if you're bringing in something from the USA that was made in one of those other countries that Canada has a free trade agreement with then you shouldn't be paying duty on that item either, just taxes if anything. Keep that in mind if you're buying something pricey. Maybe the guy here who works for Customs can expand on that.

A fair enough statement in general.

Most of the countries in the world fall under MFN (Most Favoured Nation) tarriff treatment. Basically, any memeber of the WTO who does not have their own negotiated trade agreement with Canada gets MFN status, it's part of the WTO deal.

There are a couple more "obscure" countries that fall under "General Tariff" with pretty prohibitive duty rates.. off the top of my head.. the only country I can think of that this applies to is Libya. Again, these are non-WTO nations.

And yes, Canada has other lesser known trade agreements, again off the top of my head.. CCFTA (Canada-Chile Free Trade Agreement) CIFTA (Canada-Israel Free Trade Agreement). There are at least 2-3 more other than NAFTA if memory serves.


End result, except for zero-rated goods, you should be paying minimum GST on all goods entering Canada , possibly any PST , and possibly duty (on most MFN goods, there are duty rates, although they continue to diminish over time in response to economic and trade demands).

[brunes]

Zoolander, everyone we know who has bought hardwood from LL and crossed through Niagara has not paid duty, just the taxes due. We didn't pay duty either on my new range (should have) or OTR microwave, just taxes due...


Something else to remember...we have free trade agreements with other countries besides the US and Mexico so if you're bringing in something from the USA that was made in one of those other countries that Canada has a free trade agreement with then you shouldn't be paying duty on that item either, just taxes if anything. Keep that in mind if you're buying something pricey. Maybe the guy here who works for Customs can expand on that.

Right. You gotta remember the CBSA has a job to do, and that job is to enforce the law to the best of their ability, not to screw you over for spite. If you cross over, are honest about your declaration, get pulled in to pay your taxes, and honestly hand over your receipts that have many, many items on them, the CBSA employee is not going to inconvenience you and themselves for 1/2 hour to investigate the origin of each and every item. They're going to charge you the blanket duty rate on "novelty items" (which is what my receipt always says), which is 0%, along with your taxes.

In the years I have been doing regular corss-border shopping, and the 30+ times I have crossed, the only time I have ever been charged any duty on anything is when we brought back $1000+ in bridesmaids dresses a couple years ago. The employee asked to check the country of origin and since it was in Vietnam, we had to pay a duty of some amount I forget now. Even when I bring over a pair of sneakers or a jacket along with a bunch of other things, I don't get charged duty.

From my experience, unless you're bringing over a ton of clothing, don't worry about it.

[Super_Coo]

I am going to Bangor, Maine in a few weeks and was thinking of purchasing and home audio receiver that is $429.99 + their 5% tax so $451.49. It's the Onkyo TX-SR606.

That would put me over the 48hr / $400 per person spending limit.

What could I expect at the border? Is it worth it?

[brunes]

I am going to Bangor, Maine in a few weeks and was thinking of purchasing and home audio receiver that is $429.99 + their 5% tax so $451.49. It's the Onkyo TX-SR606.

That would put me over the 48hr / $400 per person spending limit.

What could I expect at the border? Is it worth it?

First of all - you should try to get BestBuy or Circuit City to match Amazon.com's much lower price on this item ($372, free shipping)

http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-SR606-Channel-Theater-Receiver/dp/B0015S8PGW/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1224187678&sr=8-1

Second - you will only have to pay HST on the difference between $400 and what you spend. So assuming you get it for $451.99 you only have to pay HST on $51.99, so an extra $6.75, for a total of $458.70. Still much cheaper than around here.

PS: Seems weird the price of this receiver has skyrocketed in the past two weeks... I just the exact same one at Bangor Circuit City for $389 Oct 2nd.

[sukidasuika]

The answer to your question is:

If your name is in the system for having enforcement action taken against you, then your name is in the system, doesn't matter what mode/method of transport, and thus it will appear when queried.

This is explained when enforcement action is taken, that your name will be put into the system.

I've said before there are some things that I can not tell you, or the public at large if I value my job. If I can't tell you, I don't hate you or have anything against you, I just refuse to do anything to jeopordize my career.

I've had my car searched on the way back to Canada after I declared that we did NO shopping at all.. and it was true!!! And after they searched us and my car they let us go. Does this mean my name is flagged in the system? I did nothing wrong except for declare honestly :mad:

[WorldIRC]

I've had my car searched on the way back to Canada after I declared that we did NO shopping at all.. and it was true!!! And after they searched us and my car they let us go. Does this mean my name is flagged in the system? I did nothing wrong except for declare honestly :mad:

You're only flagged if you're caught lying.

[brunes]

I've had my car searched on the way back to Canada after I declared that we did NO shopping at all.. and it was true!!! And after they searched us and my car they let us go. Does this mean my name is flagged in the system? I did nothing wrong except for declare honestly :mad:

Searching is not enforcement action. Enforcement action is making you pay tax or duty when you declared you had none

[Badger]

Too many pages to read here. Not sure if this was mentioned before, but I have a question regarding import of computer hardware.

If I have my online order shipped to Point Roberts, WA and decided to bring the item to Canada primary for export, do I still have to pay GST/PST and duties?

The item will not be used in Canada at all.

[sukidasuika]

Thank you brunes and WorldIRC for the clarification. I was just thinking that if that were to happen every time I cross, i'll never cross the border again! :evil: lol i was 18 and it was a bit of a traumatizing experience :lol:

[brunes]

Too many pages to read here. Not sure if this was mentioned before, but I have a question regarding import of computer hardware.

If I have my online order shipped to Point Roberts, WA and decided to bring the item to Canada primary for export, do I still have to pay GST/PST and duties?

The item will not be used in Canada at all.

Unless you stay in the US for 48 hours you will have to pay GST.HST.

There are no duties applied on computer hardware or most durable goods.

EDIT: Sorry I did not read post fully. You will have to pay that tax, but if you later re-export the item you can file a form with the CBSA an dget the tax BACK. just make sure you keep all paperwork when you pay the initial tax.

[Badger]

Unless you stay in the US for 48 hours you will have to pay GST.HST.

There are no duties applied on computer hardware or most durable goods.

EDIT: Sorry I did not read post fully. You will have to pay that tax, but if you later re-export the item you can file a form with the CBSA an dget the tax BACK. just make sure you keep all paperwork when you pay the initial tax.

Thanks! by any chance do you know which form I am supposed to look for? I saw a few of them that requires a business number. I cannot find personal exports. =/

[brunes]

Thanks! by any chance do you know which form I am supposed to look for? I saw a few of them that requires a business number. I cannot find personal exports. =/

I think it is this form:

http://www.cbsa.gc.ca/publications/forms-formulaires/b2g.pdf

Regardless, you should stop off at the CBSA on the way *DOWN* to pick up the PC and ask them, they will tell you what needs to be done. I think you are supposed to stop and get the form during the initial import.

[Badger]

I think it is this form:

http://www.cbsa.gc.ca/publications/forms-formulaires/b2g.pdf

Regardless, you should stop off at the CBSA on the way *DOWN* to pick up the PC and ask them, they will tell you what needs to be done. I think you are supposed to stop and get the form during the initial import.

Thanks! :idea:

[CndChaos]

Just a quick question regarding what is considered for the length of stay out of country. When I was looking into this a couple of years ago I recall reading that the 48 hours exemption is more based on days then the actual amount of time.

What I mean is that if I cross over on Thursday evening and came back on Saturday morning that it would be considered in the 48hrs+ exemption because I was in the states for 3 seperate days (even though it would only actually be between 30 and 40 hours).

Is this correct?

[brunes]

Just a quick question regarding what is considered for the length of stay out of country. When I was looking into this a couple of years ago I recall reading that the 48 hours exemption is more based on days then the actual amount of time.

What I mean is that if I cross over on Thursday evening and came back on Saturday morning that it would be considered in the 48hrs+ exemption because I was in the states for 3 seperate days (even though it would only actually be between 30 and 40 hours).

Is this correct?

Unless you get a BSA who is having a bad day or you look suspicious or are otherwise being a general idiot, you will probably get waived through, just say "I went over on Thursday", you are not lying.

[sovexxed]

Last year I went Thursday evening. Came back Saturday afternoon. Said I went for 48hrs and they allowed the exemption. I only had to pay the overage. I declared the TV I bought.

[mtseymourguy]

IS going across on weekdays going to result in more questions if you are a person of working age?

2. Do you offer any unsolicitated info. to US border guards? I have an email saying my parcel is ready to be picked up in blaine. should i offer this or should i just let the guard ask questions and get a feel for how nervous i am or whatever. i guess they like to be in control. man , do they have low IQ's. i guess they couldnt get jobs as PE teachers.

[Whizod]

This might be a silly question.

When I first applied for my drivers license, there was a discrepancy about my birth certificate because it was laminated, or sealed in plastic. I have long forgotten the reasoning behind the discrepancy.

So I am now wondering before I cross the border, would I run into the same problem?

Thanks in advance.

[mtseymourguy]

This might be a silly question.

When I first applied for my drivers license, there was a discrepancy about my birth certificate because it was laminated, or sealed in plastic. I have long forgotten the reasoning behind the discrepancy.

So I am now wondering before I cross the border, would I run into the same problem?

Thanks in advance.


because it says right on the birth certificate that lamination invalidates it. i have not had a problem crossing the border with laminated birth certificate but had a problem at mmotor vehicle branch.

[honest thief]

What should I expect when I try to declare a spring assisted knife at the border?

From what I know they are legal in Canada. Does CBSA share the same view?

[Ebola]

What should I expect when I try to declare a spring assisted knife at the border?

From what I know they are legal in Canada. Does CBSA share the same view?

To my knowledge a spring-assisted knife is a prohibited weapon, and CBSA will seize it from you if found in your possession undeclared.

[Brandon]

#10. What do I need to bring with my cat/dog when crossing the border?

As long as you can prove your already owned dog/cat has their rabies vaccine up to date you are aces.

I'm bringing my dog into the states and back again (going on a trip this weekend). I have the certificate of vaccination for rabies, and it's valid as it is within a year of having the shots.

I called my vet and they said that besides that, I may get asked about my dog's food which we are also bringing. Apparently some ingredients may prevent me from bringing the food over and I'd have to dump it and buy more in the US (this is no good because I don't know if I can easily find the food in the US, and my dog gets sick if I change his food... has to be a very gradual change). Do you know what ingredients are scrutinized (or if this should even be an issue)? The dog food is made in the USA (I purchased in Canada), so I'm guessing there shouldn't be any issues.

[CSK'sMom]

I'm bringing my dog into the states and back again (going on a trip this weekend). I have the certificate of vaccination for rabies, and it's valid as it is within a year of having the shots.

I called my vet and they said that besides that, I may get asked about my dog's food which we are also bringing. Apparently some ingredients may prevent me from bringing the food over and I'd have to dump it and buy more in the US (this is no good because I don't know if I can easily find the food in the US, and my dog gets sick if I change his food... has to be a very gradual change). Do you know what ingredients are scrutinized (or if this should even be an issue)? The dog food is made in the USA (I purchased in Canada), so I'm guessing there shouldn't be any issues.

Brandon, you vet may be remembering when some dog foods were not allowed into the US because of the Mad Cow scare that shut down anything with Canadian beef in it. :confused: That ban was lifted quite some time ago though...

[honest thief]

To my knowledge a spring-assisted knife is a prohibited weapon, and CBSA will seize it from you if found in your possession undeclared.

Thanks for answering. Would it make a difference if I showed the border guard the same model being sold openly by retailers in Canada?

Maybe I should have said assisted opening knives and not spring assisted knives.

[Ebola]

Thanks for answering. Would it make a difference if I showed the border guard the same model being sold openly by retailers in Canada?

Maybe I should have said assisted opening knives and not spring assisted knives.

Well you can call it whatever you want, if it uses a spring to open under the Criminal Code it is a prohibited weapon, just like switchblades and push daggers etc. It's not CBSA's opinion, CBSA enforces the Criminal Code as it is, and as the court's rule it should.

There are assisted opening knives that are permitted, I believe a torsion-bar assisted knife is one such thing.

If retailers are openly selling spring opening knives and getting away with it, it means a) noone is bothering to enforce it, so it should be changed, or more likely b) there arent any resources to enforce it at the moment, but they will be punished when someone gets around to it.

[wesellanythingcanada]

How long do you think the wait times at the border would be to cross back into Canada early in the morning on Black Friday?

[wesellanythingcanada]

bump ^

[CSK'sMom]

Where are you crossing? Coming into Canada on Black Friday morning should be fine. It's noon or later when the lines start (here in Niagara) as everyone is heading back from Black Friday.

[wesellanythingcanada]

Where are you crossing? Coming into Canada on Black Friday morning should be fine. It's noon or later when the lines start (here in Niagara) as everyone is heading back from Black Friday.

Thanks. That's where I plan to cross. Never been shopping on Black Friday

[sidlas]

Ebola what happens if a canadian travels across the border with purse size pepper or mace spray?

[grons]

Ebola what happens if a canadian travels across the border with purse size pepper or mace spray?

Is it legal to possess in Canada?

What do you think - its a prohibited weapon - so if they are aware of it it will be seized.

[inmyturret]

Q: I cross the border frequently for a couple of hours (usually to go to my favourite restaurants!). I use "my" car, which is actually in my dad's name (I've had it since he retired). I always get questioned about why I have my dad's car, does he know I have it, etc. Is this a problem? Should I be getting any specific paperwork? Most of my trips are spur of the moment, so it would be difficult to get a letter for each trip, since he lives three hours away.

[scoop]

Q: I cross the border frequently for a couple of hours (usually to go to my favourite restaurants!). I use "my" car, which is actually in my dad's name (I've had it since he retired). I always get questioned about why I have my dad's car, does he know I have it, etc. Is this a problem? Should I be getting any specific paperwork? Most of my trips are spur of the moment, so it would be difficult to get a letter for each trip, since he lives three hours away.

get it transferred to your name.

[inmyturret]

get it transferred to your name.

I'm a student so that is financially not a good idea.

The questions are not a problem, I'm just wondering if I'm missing any specific paperwork that I should be carrying with me. It seems to be the issue I get questioned about the most.

[scoop]

I'm a student so that is financially not a good idea.

The questions are not a problem, I'm just wondering if I'm missing any specific paperwork that I should be carrying with me. It seems to be the issue I get questioned about the most.

why is it not financially a good idea? It doesnt cost much to transfer ownership.

[inmyturret]

why is it not financially a good idea? It doesnt cost much to transfer ownership.

No one is answering my initial question.

Owning a car would complicate student loans. But this is getting off topic.

[queenofhearts]

Hi Ebola,
I was hoping you could shed light on an experience a friend just told me about. I find the whole story really unblievable and told her I think it is BS but I thought I would ask you to see if any of these 'facts' are even possible.
The story sounds too much like one of those friend of a friend legends that just gets all the more outlandish as it's repeated.
My friend claims that another friend of hers (told through yet another friend) recently claimed her purchases while crossing a land border. She was pulled over and she was asked for reciepts which she provided. Apparently she was then asked for her credit card. The story as I am told is that the border officials then came back about 45 min later with copies of her visa statments of purchases made in the states, and PICTURES of her buying things in the states.
The whole thing sound so made up from beginning to end. I highly doubt anyone can get pictures of someone buying something in a store in 45 minutes but lets forget that. Can border officials ask for someone's credit card and then run a check on it and get the credit card officials to just have over a transaction history? My thinking is that even if they could do this, they would only ask for the credit card AFTER all of her stuff had for some reason has already been seized.
anyway, I'm rambling now because i just find the whole thing so hard to believe. So long story short: can border officials take your credit card and run a transcation check?

[cwb27]

Hi Ebola,
I was hoping you could shed light on an experience a friend just told me about. I find the whole story really unblievable and told her I think it is BS but I thought I would ask you to see if any of these 'facts' are even possible.
The story sounds too much like one of those friend of a friend legends that just gets all the more outlandish as it's repeated.
My friend claims that another friend of hers (told through yet another friend) recently claimed her purchases while crossing a land border. She was pulled over and she was asked for reciepts which she provided. Apparently she was then asked for her credit card. The story as I am told is that the border officials then came back about 45 min later with copies of her visa statments of purchases made in the states, and PICTURES of her buying things in the states.
The whole thing sound so made up from beginning to end. I highly doubt anyone can get pictures of someone buying something in a store in 45 minutes but lets forget that. Can border officials ask for someone's credit card and then run a check on it and get the credit card officials to just have over a transaction history? My thinking is that even if they could do this, they would only ask for the credit card AFTER all of her stuff had for some reason has already been seized.
anyway, I'm rambling now because i just find the whole thing so hard to believe. So long story short: can border officials take your credit card and run a transcation check?


Your friend watches far too much TV and tries far too hard.

[queenofhearts]

Your friend watches far too much TV and tries far too hard.

LOL! Actually it didn't happen to my own personal freind. She called me today in a panic because she was told this story by a guy she works with, who said it happend to HIS freind (who she also knows). LIke I said, the story sounds so ridiculous to me I told her I didn't believe and she said she was going to find out more. She is in a panic becaue she goes to the States often, and does declare but admittedly not the full amount. Despite the fact that the story sounds so ridiculous, I am still left wondering. Can border officials ask for your credit card so they can look at your transaction history for the day?

[tkyoshi]

I'm a student so that is financially not a good idea.

The questions are not a problem, I'm just wondering if I'm missing any specific paperwork that I should be carrying with me. It seems to be the issue I get questioned about the most.

I'm not sure but does insurance in your area of residence have a Principal driver designation?

Here in BC, ICBC has a spot for "principal Driver" which is basically the person who will be driving the car most of the time. I just use this, if ever ask, it shows my owner as my dad and my name is also shown under the Principal Driver. So therefore I can use that as proof that I'm allowed to drive "his" car since it says right on the insurance that I'm the one who will be driving the car most of the time.

However it's hit and miss, they used to ask me but I haven't been asked the 'who's car is this?' question for awhile.

[canabiz]

There was a letter to the editors in the National Post a couple of days ago from a gentleman who used to work as student Customs Officers. Basically, he's quite critical of the current Border Officers who don't get out of the booth and ask travelers to pop their trunks open. He (and his team) were told to do it every time before but that practice has fallen by the wayside.

This is in response to an article in the National Post last week about a Turkish-American who smuggled 220 firearms across the Windsor border crossing into Canada and most of them ended up in the wrong hands for murders and robbery attempts across the GTA within the last 2 years.

Just some food for thoughts.

[cdsoundtr]

I have a warranty claim from the manufactuer.

The Item is in Canada, but they'll only pay for return shipping if the replacement is sent to a US address. If I bring down my defective unit down to the US to make the swap and bring up the working unit, do I have to pay tax on the new unit when i'm bringing it back into Canada?

[kmp]

What about when you declare at the border example $60.00, but then when your receipts are totalled it is infact $75.00. You pay taxes on full $75amount at the border. Will you be flagged 'forever' based on this scenario which happened to me recently. I had merely forgotten about one purchase??

[Badger]

Reposted from my original thread, this would be an appropriate place:

I was down in the states for a few days. Bought some bulky item over there and they would not allow international shipping, so I had the item shipped to a border town. Now that I am back home, if I go over the borders to pick up the item in the states and come back home within the same day, would I be subjected to duties?

I purchased the item during the time I was absent from Canada, for 4 days.

Would showing a receipt for the item and my plane ticket for the place i travelled allow me to come back to Canada with the item without duties?

[brunes]

Reposted from my original thread, this would be an appropriate place:

I was down in the states for a few days. Bought some bulky item over there and they would not allow international shipping, so I had the item shipped to a border town. Now that I am back home, if I go over the borders to pick up the item in the states and come back home within the same day, would I be subjected to duties?

I purchased the item during the time I was absent from Canada, for 4 days.

Would showing a receipt for the item and my plane ticket for the place i travelled allow me to come back to Canada with the item without duties?
Unfortunately I think the duty + tax exemption is based at the time of import, not the time of purchase. But maybe I am wrong. What is the item? You probably don't have duty on it.

[Badger]

Unfortunately I think the duty + tax exemption is based at the time of import, not the time of purchase. But maybe I am wrong. What is the item? You probably don't have duty on it.

What about GST/PST then, it is some fragrance oil that is exclusive in US only, and the company forbids selling and shipping to Canadians on the website.

Thanks !

[CheapScotsman]

Badger ...

There used to be a "goods to follow" available on the declaration forms when coming back into Canada ... perhaps you could have used when you came back from your 4 day trip BUT ...

a) the declaration might not be available anymore ...
b) you may have had to claim this when crossing on your way back from your 4 day trip ... (which you didn't)
c) the goods may have had to have been mailed; not brought across personally in the future.

The only good solution is to give CBSA a call (unless our two resident experts chime in).

I bring a ton of different types of things across and have never been charged DUTY but you never know. Again, you can phone CBSA and ask. The only items I would expect to be charged duty on are tobacco, alcohol and perfumes; non of which we buy.

I am almost always bringing back greater than $700 via the Truck Crossing and they are always sending me in for GST/PST .... but I've come back with < $200 a few times in the last 4 years and they have just waived me through. Won't know until you get there but you should always expect to pay them.

[brunes]

What about when you declare at the border example $60.00, but then when your receipts are totalled it is infact $75.00. You pay taxes on full $75amount at the border. Will you be flagged 'forever' based on this scenario which happened to me recently. I had merely forgotten about one purchase??

No one would flag you for this because the amout you give at the window is hardly ever exact.

LIke, usually I say "Oh, about $400" , "about $350", etc. When I go inside it is always above or below by about $10 - $25. No one cares.

Basically at the window they just want to know if you are over the limit. It doesn't matter by how much really cause when you get inside you have to pay whatever the receipts add up to exactly.

[yiujun]

how is gst and pst calculated? what exchange rates does the cbsa use to convert the USD balance to a CAD balance so that they can charge taxes?

[macnut]

how is gst and pst calculated? what exchange rates does the cbsa use to convert the USD balance to a CAD balance so that they can charge taxes?

In the same way they would if they were a store. They use a daily conversion rate, which you can easily compare to the one published in the newspapers.

Because applying GST and PST is not their core business, it is worth your while to remind them of any instances where one or the other doesn't apply if needs be.

Most federal government departments are committed to fairness in carrying out their mandate, but based on anecdotal evidence in this forum, there seems to be more regional variation than desirable. Some Ontarians insist they cross the border regularly on same-day shopping trips and always get waved through. Fewer B.C. people seem to be that lucky.

The fact is that there is no exemption for trips of less than 24 hours. As CheapScotsman says, you should always figure that you are going to have to pay taxes and duty (if applicable), and consider it a bonus if you get waved through.

For online purchases coming by mail or courier, there is a documented $20 threshold before being subject to tax and duty. In practice, it is an undetermined amount higher than that - they are not going to pick on packages with a declared value of $21 just to follow the letter of the law.

For coming across the border with your purchases, years ago you would seldom get waved through. Nowadays, the sheer volume of travellers mean that it is not practical to exercise the zero exemption rule. This kind of degrades the documented 24-hour ($50) and 48-hour ($400) exemptions if day-shoppers routinely expect to get waved through with their hundreds of dollars worth of purchases.

[litebrite]

Not sure if this has been answered before but here's the situation:

I purchased something online and shipped it to Blaine, WA. I picked it up and brought it back into Canada, declaring everything fully at the border. I was waved through without paying taxes.

However the item I bought was defective and I had to ship it back and they sent me a replacement which I'm picking up at a later date.

How do I declare the replacement item? Do I declare it as $0 since it was a replacement and I didn't pay for it? How would I be able to prove that to the border guard?

[macnut]

How do I declare the replacement item? Do I declare it as $0 since it was a replacement and I didn't pay for it? How would I be able to prove that to the border guard?

Yes, just have ready:
- the $0 invoice that will be packaged with the replacement, and/or,
- the email to you where they confirm a free replacement is being sent

[yiujun]

thanks for the answer. i have another question:

i purchased some used wheels with new tires mounted on them from a private seller. everything was communicated through email and the wheels were paid for through paypal. i asked him to mail the wheels to blaine, from where i will pick it up and bring it back to canada.

i plan to declare the wheels of course. should i just tell them what i paid for for the wheels or should i also bring along a copy of the paypal receipt for proof?
should i also bring the email that will list out how the total cost is broken down? as my wheels are made in japan, and tires are made in the US. the total cost also includes shipping costs..
and i am assuming that gst and pst will apply in this case?

now im wondering if the customs officer will give a damn about the breakdown... haha..

[Cheap Cat]

Hi Ebola,
I was hoping you could shed light on an experience a friend just told me about. I find the whole story really unblievable and told her I think it is BS but I thought I would ask you to see if any of these 'facts' are even possible.
The story sounds too much like one of those friend of a friend legends that just gets all the more outlandish as it's repeated.
My friend claims that another friend of hers (told through yet another friend) recently claimed her purchases while crossing a land border. She was pulled over and she was asked for reciepts which she provided. Apparently she was then asked for her credit card. The story as I am told is that the border officials then came back about 45 min later with copies of her visa statments of purchases made in the states, and PICTURES of her buying things in the states.
The whole thing sound so made up from beginning to end. I highly doubt anyone can get pictures of someone buying something in a store in 45 minutes but lets forget that. Can border officials ask for someone's credit card and then run a check on it and get the credit card officials to just have over a transaction history? My thinking is that even if they could do this, they would only ask for the credit card AFTER all of her stuff had for some reason has already been seized.
anyway, I'm rambling now because i just find the whole thing so hard to believe. So long story short: can border officials take your credit card and run a transcation check?


This sounds like one of those urban legends. Even if they did look up your Visa account, if it were a one day shopping trip, the purchases would likely not even be posted to the account. Of course, that wouldn't even cover what was paid for by cash so why would they do that? Visa would need some authorization before giving up the information like a search warrant (not sure how far CBSA powers of search go). As for pictures of the person making purchases, they would not be tied to the Visa account. Could they get this info? Sure if they really wanted to but not in 45 minutes.

[macnut]

i plan to declare the wheels of course. should i just tell them what i paid for for the wheels or should i also bring along a copy of the paypal receipt for proof?
should i also bring the email that will list out how the total cost is broken down? as my wheels are made in japan, and tires are made in the US. the total cost also includes shipping costs..
and i am assuming that gst and pst will apply in this case?

Be sure to subtract the shipping cost. Customs just want to know what you paid for the wheels and tires.
If they choose to look at the wheels, and see the "Made in Japan", they may look up what duty is payable on them. Could be about 5%, maybe more. Being used wheels should persuade them that duty is not worth bothering with.
No duty payable on the new tires, but they should collect the 4 x $5 B.C. tire levy from you.
Have the PayPal receipt ready - has more credibility than an email printout, but you might need the email to verify the shipping cost - that could be important.
It's the GST + PST on the converted Cdn. price that could really take the shine off your deal.

[Spongeg]

my friend and I came back - his family owns a cottage in Point Roberts so he had ordered some stuff sent to that address and he had a package for something he bought off ebay

long story short they stopped him at the border - it was my car - they went on ebay and looked up his account to see if they could find the item he was trying to cross with - longer story short he tld them the truth and ended up paying $200 in duties and taxes and was put on a list for 2 years so whenever he comes back into Canada he will be searched or subjected to beings searched since he was caught lying

anyway my question is - they never said anything to me but since I was driving do you think I would be on the same list?

I haven't crossed the border since than - i need a passport first and because of the last few crossings I don't want to deal with it all - they ripped my car apart when going down into the states one trip and i seem to be on the must check out list everytime I cross into the states since that incident

[yiujun]

Be sure to subtract the shipping cost. Customs just want to know what you paid for the wheels and tires.
If they choose to look at the wheels, and see the "Made in Japan", they may look up what duty is payable on them. Could be about 5%, maybe more. Being used wheels should persuade them that duty is not worth bothering with.
No duty payable on the new tires, but they should collect the 4 x $5 B.C. tire levy from you.
Have the PayPal receipt ready - has more credibility than an email printout, but you might need the email to verify the shipping cost - that could be important.
It's the GST + PST on the converted Cdn. price that could really take the shine off your deal.

i asked a fd who works @ cbsa and he said that used goods should not be charged duties and taxes?

he told me that i should only declare the wheels and try to get a receipt from the seller for the new tires.

he said that if they asked to look @ the wheels, they would notice that they are used anyways so i wouldnt be charged anything - he told me to not mention the wheels...

[rommelrommel]

Used goods are not exempt duties and taxes. Your friend is wrong.

[Ebola]

my friend and I came back - his family owns a cottage in Point Roberts so he had ordered some stuff sent to that address and he had a package for something he bought off ebay

long story short they stopped him at the border - it was my car - they went on ebay and looked up his account to see if they could find the item he was trying to cross with - longer story short he tld them the truth and ended up paying $200 in duties and taxes and was put on a list for 2 years so whenever he comes back into Canada he will be searched or subjected to beings searched since he was caught lying

anyway my question is - they never said anything to me but since I was driving do you think I would be on the same list?

I haven't crossed the border since than - i need a passport first and because of the last few crossings I don't want to deal with it all - they ripped my car apart when going down into the states one trip and i seem to be on the must check out list everytime I cross into the states since that incident

Here's a hint, your vehicle was used in an attempt to contravene the customs act.

[canabiz]

I landed in Chicago O'Hare International Airport on Saturday (via Hong Kong and en route to Ottawa) and one of the U.S. Border Officers informed me that effective January 18th, 2008, the USA will start fingerprinting Canadian citizens. I was in a hurry so I didn't ask if that includes folks with passports.

Anyone can confirm this ?

Oh well just more hassles going through the States.

[brunes]

my friend and I came back - his family owns a cottage in Point Roberts so he had ordered some stuff sent to that address and he had a package for something he bought off ebay

long story short they stopped him at the border - it was my car - they went on ebay and looked up his account to see if they could find the item he was trying to cross with

... etc more BS


This whole story is BS. Customs can not go online "and look up your eBay account". For one, how would CBSA even know what your eBay username is? For two, how would they know your login password, unless you gave it to them?

Why did you make up this story?

[Ebola]

I landed in Chicago O'Hare International Airport on Saturday (via Hong Kong and en route to Ottawa) and one of the U.S. Border Officers informed me that effective January 18th, 2008, the USA will start fingerprinting Canadian citizens. I was in a hurry so I didn't ask if that includes folks with passports.

Anyone can confirm this ?

Oh well just more hassles going through the States.

Well you would have to have a passport anyway to be flying into the US, and they already do fingerprint Canadian citizens, and have for awhile, generally when they issue B class I-94's to Canadians.

[WorldIRC]

I think the fingerprints were only extended to US-Visit Greencard holders. I don't think a regular canadian citizen going to Florida for the week will undergo the same finger prints as a US-Visit person would.

As taken from USA Today:
Canadians who cross the border to shop, visit or take a holiday or a short business trip won't need to enroll in the program, according to the proposed rule published in the Federal Register.

But some Canadians are subject to stricter border-crossing scrutiny because they work or study in the United States. Those Canadians — including nurses, agricultural workers, students and religious workers — will be required to enroll, but they'll only have their fingerprints checked at land ports if a Customs and Border Protection official questions the validity of their documents, Mocny said.

Quick Q Ebola: has the value of alcohol always been included in the $400 exemption? I always thought the $400 excluded alcohol + tobacco values.

[rommelrommel]

I think the fingerprints were only extended to US-Visit Greencard holders. I don't think a regular canadian citizen going to Florida for the week will undergo the same finger prints as a US-Visit person would.

As taken from USA Today:
Canadians who cross the border to shop, visit or take a holiday or a short business trip won't need to enroll in the program, according to the proposed rule published in the Federal Register.

But some Canadians are subject to stricter border-crossing scrutiny because they work or study in the United States. Those Canadians � including nurses, agricultural workers, students and religious workers � will be required to enroll, but they'll only have their fingerprints checked at land ports if a Customs and Border Protection official questions the validity of their documents, Mocny said.

Quick Q Ebola: has the value of alcohol always been included in the $400 exemption? I always thought the $400 excluded alcohol + tobacco values.

It has included alcohol and tobacco for a long time, not sure if it "always" has.

[yiujun]

Used goods are not exempt duties and taxes. Your friend is wrong.

actually you are right - he was.
good thing i didnt listen to him and called customs to ask.
wouldve been a nightmare if i did what he told me to do...

[canuck57]

From reading most of this thread it seems that being honest puts the price of alcohol higher than if I bought it here in Ont. with all the duties and such. Can someone explain this site to me? They say that it's much cheaper their way. Why couldn't I just drive over and do this myself?
http://www.niagaraboozebus.ca/

[brunes]

From reading most of this thread it seems that being honest puts the price of alcohol higher than if I bought it here in Ont. with all the duties and such. Can someone explain this site to me? They say that it's much cheaper their way. Why couldn't I just drive over and do this myself?
http://www.niagaraboozebus.ca/

Sounds like they have a hugq liquer warehouse, so maybe their retail price in the US is lower which makes it cheaper?

Just a guess.

[Pavel]

I thought the phone number was posted not long ago but searching for it yielded nothing. Anyone have the number for BC?

[Whitedart]

I thought the phone number was posted not long ago but searching for it yielded nothing. Anyone have the number for BC?

No phone number for border wait times, but I use these links to check:

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/general/times/menu-e.html

http://apps.cbp.gov/bwt/

[Pavel]

Thanks. I have the sites but when I'm mobile I'm unable to access because I don't have internet access. I could've sworn there were local BC numbers you could call and get a prerecorded message like at Niagra.

[scoop]

Thanks. I have the sites but when I'm mobile I'm unable to access because I don't have internet access. I could've sworn there were local BC numbers you could call and get a prerecorded message like at Niagra.

there is in this thread somewhere.

[rommelrommel]

From reading most of this thread it seems that being honest puts the price of alcohol higher than if I bought it here in Ont. with all the duties and such. Can someone explain this site to me? They say that it's much cheaper their way. Why couldn't I just drive over and do this myself?
http://www.niagaraboozebus.ca/

They have to be selling the booze at an obscenely low price to sell it that cheap after the taxes are paid. Or they are just lying and you actually lose money after you pay the taxes.

I think that Lackawanna is probably a reserve, and most of the booze they list on the site is cheap swill... they are probably buying it for a buck or two a bottle and then selling for a few dollars more. That's the only way this can be legit.

[Pavel]

there is in this thread somewhere.
Only for Niagra, not BC. :(

[mtseymourguy]

Received a trusted traveler card from nexus today. what the heck is that about?

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/trusted_traveler/nexus_prog/nexus.xml

[Spongeg]

Thanks. I have the sites but when I'm mobile I'm unable to access because I don't have internet access. I could've sworn there were local BC numbers you could call and get a prerecorded message like at Niagra.

if you are near the border you can tune your radio into the FM signal that gives border lineup times

[mtseymourguy]

cknw tells you like every 10 minutes

[yiujun]

bought my used wheels and tires back yesterday.
border was a breeze, female cbsa officer was quite pleasant (considering she is a CBSA officer)

asked me:
1. where i went
2. how long did i go for
3. did i buy anything
4. what was the value of the wheels i brought back
5. do i have a receipt

she didnt have to inspect my wheels and tires or anything, took my receipt and wrote up a slip and i went and paid my 12% taxes (gst + pst)
no duties although the wheels are Volks which are made in japan

and the receipt had said 160 shipping on it and the cashier deducted the shipping cost out of the taxable amount

so all in all i feel pretty good about the whole thing.

[tkyoshi]

Received a trusted traveler card from nexus today. what the heck is that about?

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/trusted_traveler/nexus_prog/nexus.xml

They're replacing all the old nexus cards with ones that are more secure.

You must activate your new card within 30 days, otherwise all cards get deactivated. When you activate the new one your old one should be destroyed.

[Pavel]

You must activate your new card within 30 days, otherwise all cards get deactivated. When you activate the new one your old one should be destroyed.
30 days from when? I'm still waiting for mine while the wife has hers. She applied for her old Nexus card 5 months AFTER me.

[warrexa]

What exactly is the intended use of Form E24, Personal Exemption CBSA Declaration?

Example: If I go to Vegas for over a week, and while I am there I order some stuff from Amazon.com to my US mailbox in Buffalo, can I declare them on an E24 upon my return from Vegas to YYZ to get the $750 exemption and then go pick up the merchandise on a subsequent day trip (within 40 days) and be exempt from the GST/PST?

[Pavel]

I just got my Nexus card today, by REGULAR mail. Not registered at all like my wife's. Not good!

[rommelrommel]

What exactly is the intended use of Form E24, Personal Exemption CBSA Declaration?

Example: If I go to Vegas for over a week, and while I am there I order some stuff from Amazon.com to my US mailbox in Buffalo, can I declare them on an E24 upon my return from Vegas to YYZ to get the $750 exemption and then go pick up the merchandise on a subsequent day trip (within 40 days) and be exempt from the GST/PST?

That's exactly it. Remember that you must order the goods while you are away.

[tkyoshi]

30 days from when? I'm still waiting for mine while the wife has hers. She applied for her old Nexus card 5 months AFTER me.

It's supposed to be 30 days from receipt which is why they send it by registered mail. But i guess in your case there was a slip-up.

[Pavel]

I'd better call them up and let them know. That's what happened with my citizenship card but in that case, they don't send it registered. And we wonder why identity theft is on the rise?

[GSC]

Can I bring fruits to US?

[tkyoshi]

Can I bring fruits to US?

I think there are restrictions on citrus fruits.

[Pavel]

If the fruit is originally product of USA, say, grapes that come with the bag marked product of USA, you should be fine.

[rommelrommel]

Make sure you tell them, USCBP tends to be very hard about undecalred fruit/meat.

[Pavel]

Make sure you tell them, USCBP tends to be very hard about undecalred fruit/meat.

Yeah, they'll let someone across the line without a driver's license or any ID but they'll treat you like a terrorist if you don't tell them you're importing fruit or meat ;)

[brunes]

How strict is CBSA with the 7 days?

We will be entering the US on Mar 11 at about 9:30 AM - 10:00 AM and returning on the 18th at about 12:00AM - 12:30 AM. So technically not 7 days, actually about 10 hours short. You think they would allow us to get the 750 exemption vs. 400 ?

[scoop]

How strict is CBSA with the 7 days?

We will be entering the US on Mar 11 at about 9:30 AM - 10:00 AM and returning on the 18th at about 12:00AM - 12:30 AM. So technically not 7 days, actually about 10 hours short. You think they would allow us to get the 750 exemption vs. 400 ?


To calculate the number of days you have been absent, do not include the date you left Canada but include the date you returned. Dates matter but not times. For example, we consider you to have been absent seven days if you left Friday the 7th and returned Friday the 14th.
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5056-eng.html#s4

[brunes]

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5056-eng.html#s4

Hrm so according to that if I leave the 11th and return the 18th I am OK.

[rommelrommel]

Hrm so according to that if I leave the 11th and return the 18th I am OK.

Yup.

[JACKIE26]

A question regarding purchasing auto parts in the US.
I worked out the numbers, so even if I don't get my money back, it was still cheaper buying in the US vs Canada, but just want to understand this for future, and see if its worth sending in the claim.

I picked up a part for my car in the US the part is $224.99, there is also a core charge of $90 once I bring the old part in I get my $90 back. So I paid $319.99 part + core charge.

For the purposes of calculating taxes CBSA calculated it based on $319.99, which is the cost of the part of $224.99 plus the core charge.

Once I take the old part back and get my $90 core charge refunded at the end of the day I will have only spent $224.99 on the part, which is why I am thinking the taxes should have been calculated based on that.

Should the taxes have been calculated based on $319.99 or $224.99?

The guy calculating it gave me a form to fill out and said I could try claiming a refund but then added good luck I will probably not see the difference.

Basically, I am looking at that I was charged taxes based on $319.99, but I only actually paid $224.99 for the goods I bought.

[rommelrommel]

319.99, as the core has not yet left Canada. Stop on the way out and get the core piece registered on an E15, which will prove that you exported it. You should get your refund with that, but it takes 6+ weeks usually.

[JACKIE26]

319.99, as the core has not yet left Canada. Stop on the way out and get the core piece registered on an E15, which will prove that you exported it. You should get your refund with that, but it takes 6+ weeks usually.

Great thanks!! Glad I asked they never mentioned the E15 form to me.

[ADRiiAN`]

That's an expensive cookie :lol:

How old do you have to be to cross borders by yourself? What about with a friend?

I'm 18 and say I want to bring my friend that is 18 and another friend that is 16?

[b1uesphere]

Any update on whether it's ok to bring an ipod across the border?

Do you have to prove that the songs are legit?

[tkyoshi]

Any update on whether it's ok to bring an ipod across the border?

Do you have to prove that the songs are legit?

Generally it's probably safe to assume most ipods do not contain 100% legal songs. Having said that, I do not believe it is in their best interest to hunt out iPods at the border. I haven't heard personally of anyone getting their iPod searched at the border.

However the risk is always there, they do have the power to investigate.

[Hairball]

That's an expensive cookie :lol:

How old do you have to be to cross borders by yourself? What about with a friend?

I'm 18 and say I want to bring my friend that is 18 and another friend that is 16?

If you're 18 that's considered an adult, you're 16 year old friend might need "permission" from his/her parents, but quite frankly I think that is laxly enforced. I flew out of the country myself before without any additional documentation when I was 15, no one asked a thing.

[3weddings]

Exemptions cannot be combined.

If the item is going to follow in a couple weeks, when you enter Canada, you have to declare to the BSO that you have goods to follow, and you will have to fill out a form stating that under your 7+ day exemption of $750, you are claiming x item as a good to follow. We will give you a copy of this form, and then you will bring it with you to accompany the goods when you bring them in.

May I add a twist to this scenario?

Hubby is working in the US and returns bi-weekly (putting the kids and I into a Shopping Utopia with his $750 exemption!! :cheesygri)

His car is there, so when he drives it home he will have space for a couple of larger items that he doesn't trust the airlines with. If he declares the goods now as following him at a later date (when his contract ends) and it is within the 40 day requrement, can he 'stack' the exemption even though he is bringing it back himself?
Just a couple of weeks ago he declared an item he had ordered at Home Depot, and brought it across himself two weeks later when he flew home.
Thanks!

[rommelrommel]

May I add a twist to this scenario?

Hubby is working in the US and returns bi-weekly (putting the kids and I into a Shopping Utopia with his $750 exemption!! :cheesygri)

His car is there, so when he drives it home he will have space for a couple of larger items that he doesn't trust the airlines with. If he declares the goods now as following him at a later date (when his contract ends) and it is within the 40 day requrement, can he 'stack' the exemption even though he is bringing it back himself?
Just a couple of weeks ago he declared an item he had ordered at Home Depot, and brought it across himself two weeks later when he flew home.
Thanks!

No, the $750 is only for goods that you bought on that particular trip, so there is no way to use multiple $750 exemptions on the same item as goods to follow.

[3weddings]

No, the $750 is only for goods that you bought on that particular trip, so there is no way to use multiple $750 exemptions on the same item as goods to follow.

But if it's being shipped he could perhaps?

[rommelrommel]

But if it's being shipped he could perhaps?

No. They would have to be seperate items bought on different 7 day stays in the USA. You could bring multiple ones back at the same time exempt assuming they were bought and declared on previous seperate absences.

[crazyproton]

How about you fill up your car in US? You are buying gasoline there? What about you fill up a 15L container for emergency usage purpose? Do you have to pay tax on them when you come back to Canada? I have had trouble finding that information on the gov website. I will be great if someone can lead me to find out the information in that regard.

[3weddings]

No. They would have to be seperate items bought on different 7 day stays in the USA. You could bring multiple ones back at the same time exempt assuming they were bought and declared on previous seperate absences.

Thank you...that's what I am after. He is working in Texas and he wants to do precisely that. He spends two weeks there and a weekend here and heads right back again. So 'stacking' is a possibility.

[ChopSuey]

How about you fill up your car in US? You are buying gasoline there? What about you fill up a 15L container for emergency usage purpose? Do you have to pay tax on them when you come back to Canada? I have had trouble finding that information on the gov website. I will be great if someone can lead me to find out the information in that regard.

You do not have to pay duty/tax on gas that is pumped into your vehicle. But, you will have to pay duty/tax on gas that is pumped into a container, even if it is for emergency purposes.

[headhunt3r]

How do taxes / duty work on used items sold through private sales?

For example, next weekend I plan to go to Seattle to pick up a set of wheels from a private seller. There would obviously be no receipt for it :confused:

[Beradon]

Hey guys I'm trying to figure out what the possible duties and other charges are for a shipment that I'm expecting.

I bought a cell phone from the US and it's being shipped into QC.
What duties are there for this product (made outside of the NA free trade countries)? Can't seem to find it in the CBSA site.

Taxes I gather are GST on top of the Cdn conversion of the declared value?
Then PST added on top of that?
Canada Post handling + brokerage fee of $5 to top if off.


Is that what I should be expecting?

[brunes]

Hey guys I'm trying to figure out what the possible duties and other charges are for a shipment that I'm expecting.

I bought a cell phone from the US and it's being shipped into QC.
What duties are there for this product (made outside of the NA free trade countries)? Can't seem to find it in the CBSA site.

Taxes I gather are GST on top of the Cdn conversion of the declared value?
Then PST added on top of that?
Canada Post handling + brokerage fee of $5 to top if off.

Is that what I should be expecting?

It totally depends on who is shipping it. If it is being shipped USPS/Canada Post, expect to pay GST + PST only. If it is being shipped FedEX / UPS, expect about $30 in duties and brokerage charges *IN ADDITION TO* GST and PST.

[21Rouge]

We live in the GTorontoArea and over the past several years we had the occasion to shop across the border in Buffalo/NFalls at a "Steve and Barrys". Our teenage boys loved that store. I see now it is no longer in business. We for sure arent experienced cross border shoppers so we are hoping for some recommendations re shopping sites just across the border, looking for a comparable store or outlet mall with similar merchandise as Steve and Barrys.

[TechRock]

We live in the GTorontoArea and over the past several years we had the occasion to shop across the border in Buffalo/NFalls at a "Steve and Barrys". Our teenage boys loved that store. I see now it is no longer in business. We for sure arent experienced cross border shoppers so we are hoping for some recommendations re shopping sites just across the border, looking for a comparable store or outlet mall with similar merchandise as Steve and Barrys.

yeah that store went bankrupt or something lol, i went last week and was disappointed that it was gone =0

[mushroom]

I do home visits with kids so I have a trunk full of toys, do I need to clear out my trunk before I drive over to the states for shopping for a few hours? The toys are clearly used and they are in plastic containers, can I just keep them in my trunk? Would I get in trouble coming back to Canada?

[HighFlyer]

I do home visits with kids so I have a trunk full of toys, do I need to clear out my trunk before I drive over to the states for shopping for a few hours? The toys are clearly used and they are in plastic containers, can I just keep them in my trunk? Would I get in trouble coming back to Canada?

I would clean out the trunk in order to prevent any misunderstandings.

[brunes]

I do home visits with kids so I have a trunk full of toys, do I need to clear out my trunk before I drive over to the states for shopping for a few hours? The toys are clearly used and they are in plastic containers, can I just keep them in my trunk? Would I get in trouble coming back to Canada?


I would clean out the trunk in order to prevent any misunderstandings.

Or justs top at the border on the way down and get a green CBSA card for the toys.

If you explain to the agent you have a ton of them and get them to come see you probably don't have to write all of the serials.

[death_hawk]

No one would flag you for this because the amout you give at the window is hardly ever exact.

LIke, usually I say "Oh, about $400" , "about $350", etc. When I go inside it is always above or below by about $10 - $25. No one cares.

Basically at the window they just want to know if you are over the limit. It doesn't matter by how much really cause when you get inside you have to pay whatever the receipts add up to exactly.


I crossed the border once and the BSO demanded to know the exact total down to the penny.

I sat in my truck adding (by hand) a stack of about 25 receipts for about 15 minutes.

[scoop]

I crossed the border once and the BSO demanded to know the exact total down to the penny.

I sat in my truck adding (by hand) a stack of about 25 receipts for about 15 minutes.

think you need to work on your math skills if it took that long. :lol:

[death_hawk]

I added it twice just to make sure.

I knew I had to pay taxes etc on it, so I figured while I was waiting for the inside guy I would do the math on it.


But no...

[mushroom]

Or justs top at the border on the way down and get a green CBSA card for the toys.

If you explain to the agent you have a ton of them and get them to come see you probably don't have to write all of the serials.

this is a dumb question, but how do I get to the Canadian border from the Canadian side?

[macnut]

this is a dumb question, but how do I get to the Canadian border from the Canadian side?

Yes, may depend on the location, but I don't think this is ever easy to do.

And it makes border guards on both sides edgy when they see unexpected moves by people.

Cleaning the trunk out beforehand is still the best idea - may be inconvenient, but better than the alternative.

[Arrow]

At my local border crossing, there is an area to park your car and you can walk into the CBSA office.


this is a dumb question, but how do I get to the Canadian border from the Canadian side?

[death_hawk]

I have a question:

I'm planning on visiting Vegas in the near future.
With Vegas comes Gambling. And since I'm Asian, I don't gamble lightly.

I know I can't transport more than $10000 over the border.
How about wire transfers?
Does having $9999 raise suspicions at all?

[HighFlyer]

I
I know I can't transport more than $10000 over the border.
You can bring any amount over the border.... you just have to declare it.

[1226]

General question about border crossing for those in the know. How does a truck hauling a trailer like this (no windows) not get searched?

http://braystrailers.ca.c9.previewyoursite.com/ESW/Images/rough_rider_810rs.jpg

Didn't so much as crack the door open. 30 seconds and he was through. Thought it was a bit odd considering the once over regular cars sometimes get.

[death_hawk]

You can bring any amount over the border.... you just have to declare it.

Man... when did I miss THAT memo...

I guess my 3rd question of "What happens if I return with $30k" is no longer valid.

:D

Now... let's hope it's a reality.

[Ebola]

I added it twice just to make sure.

I knew I had to pay taxes etc on it, so I figured while I was waiting for the inside guy I would do the math on it.


But no...

You have to make your full declaration at the PIL booth. Saying "about this , about that" gives too much leeway in terms of being able to explain away any "discrepancies" that may arise.


this is a dumb question, but how do I get to the Canadian border from the Canadian side?

Every Canadian POE has an export lane, parking lot, entrance etc. You simply stop there and do what you need to do on export.


I have a question:

I'm planning on visiting Vegas in the near future.
With Vegas comes Gambling. And since I'm Asian, I don't gamble lightly.

I know I can't transport more than $10000 over the border.
How about wire transfers?
Does having $9999 raise suspicions at all?

As mentioned, you can bring however much you want, has to be declared if equal to or greater than 10k CAD under the Proceeds of Crime , Money Laundering, and Terrorist Financing Act.

And yes, having $9999.00 is suspicious.


General question about border crossing for those in the know. How does a truck hauling a trailer like this (no windows) not get searched?

http://braystrailers.ca.c9.previewyoursite.com/ESW/Images/rough_rider_810rs.jpg

Didn't so much as crack the door open. 30 seconds and he was through. Thought it was a bit odd considering the once over regular cars sometimes get.

Same way regular cars don't "get searched". Someone makes a declaration about what's contained in their vehicle/trailer/motor home, and you either believe them or you don't.

[1226]

Same way regular cars don't "get searched". Someone makes a declaration about what's contained in their vehicle/trailer/motor home, and you either believe them or you don't.

Really? I would think a trailer like that, going either south or north (particularly in BC), based on the potential return and the time it takes it takes to open the door, it would be worth it every time. Surely a border agent wouldn't treat someone with a trailer like that as the same risk as your generic cross-border shopper. I would find that very odd.

[death_hawk]

I figured it would make more sense to give a rough number and sort out the real number inside. It was like $4k worth of stuff, so I thought I was paying duty on it for sure.

Thanks Ebloa. You've been a bucket of help. :cheesygri


EDIT: And others.

[brunes]

Really? I would think a trailer like that, going either south or north (particularly in BC), based on the potential return and the time it takes it takes to open the door, it would be worth it every time. Surely a border agent wouldn't treat someone with a trailer like that as the same risk as your generic cross-border shopper. I would find that very odd.

They aren't really more likely to do anything based on vehicle type, it is more based on the occupants history / if they declare anything / randomness.

Go across in a big 6 axle RV, they often don't check those either, and you could stuff all kinds of things in them.

It really is very random. That said, I have crossed maybe 50 times in the past two years, and have *never* been searched - but I 8always* declare things, and I am sure that is a factor.

[Ebola]

Really? I would think a trailer like that, going either south or north (particularly in BC), based on the potential return and the time it takes it takes to open the door, it would be worth it every time. Surely a border agent wouldn't treat someone with a trailer like that as the same risk as your generic cross-border shopper. I would find that very odd.

What's your generic cross-border shopper?

CSK'sMom could have a stomach full of coke. Unlikely, but just as easy to do on any given trip. That's what makes the task so challenging.

On top of that, IF something were to be inside the trailer, it wouldnt be sitting in a pretty box just inside the door, it would be concealed somewhere within the trailer, meaning you'd have to be taking everything out, which means the trailer would need to be in secondary, where every conveyance gets searched the same way anyway, so if an officer has suspicions, then by all means go to town.

It wouldn't go over too well if every single trailer was stripped down each time they crossed. The percentage of law abiding travellers is much higher than that of ner-do-wells.

[1226]

What's your generic cross-border shopper?

I guess I meant just somebody without a trailer.



CSK'sMom could have a stomach full of coke. Unlikely, but just as easy to do on any given trip. That's what makes the task so challenging.


True, but my point is stomach full of coke vs trailer full of coke. Or guns, cash, whatever. Cost benefit.




On top of that, IF something were to be inside the trailer, it wouldnt be sitting in a pretty box just inside the door, it would be concealed somewhere within the trailer, meaning you'd have to be taking everything out, which means the trailer would need to be in secondary, where every conveyance gets searched the same way anyway, so if an officer has suspicions, then by all means go to town.


Couldn't you learn a lot just by opening the door though? Peak in and cross-reference what you see with the driver's answers to the agent's questions? e.g. what color/make/model is the bike/snowmobile/etc.? Then if something doesn't jive, take it to the next level. I'm certainly not advocating tear down every trailer.

[Ebola]

Couldn't you learn a lot just by opening the door though? Peak in and cross-reference what you see with the driver's answers to the agent's questions? e.g. what color/make/model is the bike/snowmobile/etc.? Then if something doesn't jive, take it to the next level. I'm certainly not advocating tear down every trailer.

You certainly could.

[RETAILER]

Next time look at those tall boxes with white plates in the front, on either sides of the checkpoint. Those are hi-res xray sanners which scan your vehicle before you show your face at the booth. They can look inside your pants before you look at them :-)

[fajer]

You have to make your full declaration at the PIL booth. Saying "about this , about that" gives too much leeway in terms of being able to explain away any "discrepancies" that may arise.



Every Canadian POE has an export lane, parking lot, entrance etc. You simply stop there and do what you need to do on export.



As mentioned, you can bring however much you want, has to be declared if equal to or greater than 10k CAD under the Proceeds of Crime , Money Laundering, and Terrorist Financing Act.

And yes, having $9999.00 is suspicious.



Same way regular cars don't "get searched". Someone makes a declaration about what's contained in their vehicle/trailer/motor home, and you either believe them or you don't.

That is how tons of smokes, weed and coke gets smuggled while the clueless border agent is quizzing you on how much you bought at Wally Mart and making you pay $5 bucks in duty.:cheesygri

[fajer]

They aren't really more likely to do anything based on vehicle type, it is more based on the occupants history / if they declare anything / randomness.

Go across in a big 6 axle RV, they often don't check those either, and you could stuff all kinds of things in them.

It really is very random. That said, I have crossed maybe 50 times in the past two years, and have *never* been searched - but I 8always* declare things, and I am sure that is a factor.


How does the border agent know that you always declare things?

[fajer]

Next time look at those tall boxes with white plates in the front, on either sides of the checkpoint. Those are hi-res xray sanners which scan your vehicle before you show your face at the booth. They can look inside your pants before you look at them :-)

What?

Those would fry your brains - those are radiation detectors.

[Ebola]

hey look, another flame-baiter!

[kamu]

Can you drive across the borders to shop etc... then leave your car parked somewhere on the US side and walk back over to canada to stay at a hotel on the canadian side? I'll be picking up the car the next day and driving to NYC.

[fajer]

hey look, another flame-baiter!

LOL

I like how government agencies/employees always refuse to answer questions or accept criticism.

Question

Is the reason you want to be armed because you want to be paid a cop's wage?

Should you be paid a cop's wage?

[Ebola]

LOL

I like how government agencies/employees always refuse to answer questions or accept criticism.

Question

Is the reason you want to be armed because you want to be paid a cop's wage?

Should you be paid a cop's wage?

See the premise of everything you post is to intentionally incite confrontation, so any answer given must be weighed carefully, lest it be taken out of context, twisted, or otherwise spun to fit whatever agenda it is that you have.

Arming has nothing to do with money.

If I wanted to be a police officer, I would be.

And no I do not feel our wages should be lockstepped with police. Each different arena of law enforcement has to be judged on its merits. Police, Border, Corrections, Fisheries, Wardens, Sheriffs, Ministry of Transport etc etc. Due to the similarities there aren't going to be massive fluctuations in salary.

But hey, if firefighters can claim to deserve the same pay as police..

[fajer]

What is the reasoning that Border Agents be armed, especially when most of them fail the firearms certification tests.

In my dealings with the agents some of them definitely should not be armed at all.

Now can you answer my original question, why do border agents quibble over $5 in duty/taxes while smugglers are running rampant?

BTW - it seems like the border agents are letting a lot more goods come in without being taxed. In my past 5-8 trips not once did I have to pay even though I declared "mostly" everything I bought. Ranging from $150-300 in goods.

Keep up the good work :)

[Hairball]

What is the reasoning that Border Agents be armed, especially when most of them fail the firearms certification tests.

In my dealings with the agents some of them definitely should not be armed at all.

Now can you answer my original question, why do border agents quibble over $5 in duty/taxes while smugglers are running rampant?

BTW - it seems like the border agents are letting a lot more goods come in without being taxed. In my past 5-8 trips not once did I have to pay even though I declared "mostly" everything I bought. Ranging from $150-300 in goods.

Keep up the good work :)

Quite frankly I don't think casual shoppers are a very high priority for the CBSA, from my trips in the past few years.

They select cars/people for inspection based on questioning, trends and other things. They could theoretically stop every single person and car coming in, and do a complete examination, but that would be impractical and severely hinder trade. And plus this would be extremely expensive to administer.

I think they're being armed because there are a lot of potential criminals coming across the border, and they need to be able to defend themselves.

[fajer]

Quite frankly I don't think casual shoppers are a very high priority for the CBSA, from my trips in the past few years.

They select cars/people for inspection based on questioning, trends and other things. They could theoretically stop every single person and car coming in, and do a complete examination, but that would be impractical and severely hinder trade. And plus this would be extremely expensive to administer.

I think they're being armed because there are a lot of potential criminals coming across the border, and they need to be able to defend themselves.

it seems like the CBSA has gotten the hint that casual shoppers should not be a priority.

Many a times I or my friend declared $30 and the braniac in the booth then hands you a yellow slip, you go inside and the agents laughs at you for such a small amount and tells you to get lost

[Ebola]

What is the reasoning that Border Agents be armed, especially when most of them fail the firearms certification tests.

In my dealings with the agents some of them definitely should not be armed at all.

Now can you answer my original question, why do border agents quibble over $5 in duty/taxes while smugglers are running rampant?

BTW - it seems like the border agents are letting a lot more goods come in without being taxed. In my past 5-8 trips not once did I have to pay even though I declared "mostly" everything I bought. Ranging from $150-300 in goods.

Keep up the good work :)

First, I take great issue with the statement "most of them fail the firearms certification tests". This is patently false.

I'm sure you'll trot out the initial media stories that headlines blare "BORDER GUARDS CAN'T SHOOT STRAIGHT".

Like all police course of fire, border officers are given a second attempt to qualify, and on the second attempt the vast majority successfully qualified. I won't say all, because that would be patently false on my part. But it's a very small number out of all the officers sent for arming training that have not been successful, again with pass rates in line with RCMP Depot / Ontario Police College numbers.

I don't know any officers that "quibble" over $5 in duty. Everyone I've dealt with is there to protect Canada from contraband and inadmissble persons, while keeping the legit travellers moving.

For some reason, a small segment of the Canadian population is not willing to accept the fact that BSO's are sworn peace officers who 24 hours a day, 7 days a week are out there interacting with people, at land borders anyway essentially dealing with continuous "traffic stops" (the idea of constantly dealing with unknown persons and whatever kind of activity they may be up to) making arrests, executing warrants, going to court etc.

These people cling to this idea that by having unarmed federal peace officers at ports of entry, that this some how makes us noble, better than other nations (always compared to the US) and gives travellers a welcoming feeling upon entering Canada. In reality, it does none of these things.

It makes us foolish and naive, as yes, prior to arming it WAS policy to allow persons considered armed and dangerous into Canada, with the vague hope that some police force could track them down inland later on. Police response times to POE's varies wildly, from as little as 10mins to as much as 2 hours. The quickest of which still allows for alot of people to be hurt/killed, or people who should not be coming into Canada to have forced their way in and be gone long before the police arrive. This is an affront to national security, public safety as officers have no way of protecting innocent travellers, and the last part that noone cares about, is an unneccessary risk for officers.

Let's be clear, the Can/US border is not like Kandahar province. There isn't death around every turn. The majority of travellers are just trying to get from point A to B, and want to have as little government authority imposed on them as possible, because they have done nothing illegal and that's totally understandable.

There exists however, a quite real and active minority of cross border movement that also wants no part of law enforcement interfering in their affairs, and it's because they'd be going to jail if discovered. There is no way to put it, that doesn't sound cliched or even dramatic. These people are not nice people, and they don't give two shits what they have to do to get their illicit payday.

As for having a gun on your hip making the country "less welcoming", I think that's a load of BS.

My two opinions are this on that subject:

#1. It has nothing to do with what's on your hip, and everything to do with how you treat people.

#2. In alot of the situations, travellers can't even see what's on the BSO's hip. Think of officers seated in booths at a land crossing or airport. All you see is the upper body. Your interaction with them is in no way affected by the presence of a sidearm. It's always the overhead presence of the peace officer status/government authority that's the elephant in the conversation.

Anyway, there will always be people vehemently opposed to my position, but there it is.

[scoop]

First, I take great issue with the statement "most of them fail the firearms certification tests". This is patently false.

I'm sure you'll trot out the initial media stories that headlines blare "BORDER GUARDS CAN'T SHOOT STRAIGHT".

Like all police course of fire, border officers are given a second attempt to qualify, and on the second attempt the vast majority successfully qualified. I won't say all, because that would be patently false on my part. But it's a very small number out of all the officers sent for arming training that have not been successful, again with pass rates in line with RCMP Depot / Ontario Police College numbers.

I don't know any officers that "quibble" over $5 in duty. Everyone I've dealt with is there to protect Canada from contraband and inadmissble persons, while keeping the legit travellers moving.

For some reason, a small segment of the Canadian population is not willing to accept the fact that BSO's are sworn peace officers who 24 hours a day, 7 days a week are out there interacting with people, at land borders anyway essentially dealing with continuous "traffic stops" (the idea of constantly dealing with unknown persons and whatever kind of activity they may be up to) making arrests, executing warrants, going to court etc.

These people cling to this idea that by having unarmed federal peace officers at ports of entry, that this some how makes us noble, better than other nations (always compared to the US) and gives travellers a welcoming feeling upon entering Canada. In reality, it does none of these things.

It makes us foolish and naive, as yes, prior to arming it WAS policy to allow persons considered armed and dangerous into Canada, with the vague hope that some police force could track them down inland later on. Police response times to POE's varies wildly, from as little as 10mins to as much as 2 hours. The quickest of which still allows for alot of people to be hurt/killed, or people who should not be coming into Canada to have forced their way in and be gone long before the police arrive. This is an affront to national security, public safety as officers have no way of protecting innocent travellers, and the last part that noone cares about, is an unneccessary risk for officers.

Let's be clear, the Can/US border is like Kandahar province. There isn't death around every turn. The majority of travellers are just trying to get from point A to B, and want to have as little government authority imposed on them as possible, because they have done nothing illegal and that's totally understandable.

There exists however, a quite real and active minority of cross border movement that also wants no part of law enforcement interfering in their affairs, and it's because they'd be going to jail if discovered. There is no way to put it, that doesn't sound cliched or even dramatic. These people are not nice people, and they don't give two shits what they have to do to get their illicit payday.

As for having a gun on your hip making the country "less welcoming", I think that's a load of BS.

My two opinions are this on that subject:

#1. It has nothing to do with what's on your hip, and everything to do with how you treat people.

#2. In alot of the situations, travellers can't even see what's on the BSO's hip. Think of officers seated in booths at a land crossing or airport. All you see is the upper body. Your interaction with them is in no way affected by the presence of a sidearm. It's always the overhead presence of the peace officer status/government authority that's the elephant in the conversation.

Anyway, there will always be people vehemently opposed to my position, but there it is.

Ebola - no need to even respond to trolls like this guy.

[fajer]

First, I take great issue with the statement "most of them fail the firearms certification tests". This is patently false.

I'm sure you'll trot out the initial media stories that headlines blare "BORDER GUARDS CAN'T SHOOT STRAIGHT".

Like all police course of fire, border officers are given a second attempt to qualify, and on the second attempt the vast majority successfully qualified. I won't say all, because that would be patently false on my part. But it's a very small number out of all the officers sent for arming training that have not been successful, again with pass rates in line with RCMP Depot / Ontario Police College numbers.

I don't know any officers that "quibble" over $5 in duty. Everyone I've dealt with is there to protect Canada from contraband and inadmissble persons, while keeping the legit travellers moving.

For some reason, a small segment of the Canadian population is not willing to accept the fact that BSO's are sworn peace officers who 24 hours a day, 7 days a week are out there interacting with people, at land borders anyway essentially dealing with continuous "traffic stops" (the idea of constantly dealing with unknown persons and whatever kind of activity they may be up to) making arrests, executing warrants, going to court etc.

These people cling to this idea that by having unarmed federal peace officers at ports of entry, that this some how makes us noble, better than other nations (always compared to the US) and gives travellers a welcoming feeling upon entering Canada. In reality, it does none of these things.

It makes us foolish and naive, as yes, prior to arming it WAS policy to allow persons considered armed and dangerous into Canada, with the vague hope that some police force could track them down inland later on. Police response times to POE's varies wildly, from as little as 10mins to as much as 2 hours. The quickest of which still allows for alot of people to be hurt/killed, or people who should not be coming into Canada to have forced their way in and be gone long before the police arrive. This is an affront to national security, public safety as officers have no way of protecting innocent travellers, and the last part that noone cares about, is an unneccessary risk for officers.

Let's be clear, the Can/US border is like Kandahar province. There isn't death around every turn. The majority of travellers are just trying to get from point A to B, and want to have as little government authority imposed on them as possible, because they have done nothing illegal and that's totally understandable.

There exists however, a quite real and active minority of cross border movement that also wants no part of law enforcement interfering in their affairs, and it's because they'd be going to jail if discovered. There is no way to put it, that doesn't sound cliched or even dramatic. These people are not nice people, and they don't give two shits what they have to do to get their illicit payday.

As for having a gun on your hip making the country "less welcoming", I think that's a load of BS.

My two opinions are this on that subject:

#1. It has nothing to do with what's on your hip, and everything to do with how you treat people.

#2. In alot of the situations, travellers can't even see what's on the BSO's hip. Think of officers seated in booths at a land crossing or airport. All you see is the upper body. Your interaction with them is in no way affected by the presence of a sidearm. It's always the overhead presence of the peace officer status/government authority that's the elephant in the conversation.

Anyway, there will always be people vehemently opposed to my position, but there it is.

I agree with you on most of your points but the facts are:

Wage Proposal: Our team has proposed a 29.3% across-the-board wage increase over a three-year contract, including a 13.3% market adjustment in February 2007 and 4.5% increase each year of the agreement (through next year).

Yes a lot of CBSA agents quibble over minor amounts, although as I said this has been less prevalent recently.

Incidents where Canadains are harassed by border agents tagging them as smugglers while a fast boat is crossing the St. Lawrence with a million smokes on it.

Have you ever read the posts at Blueline.ca what some of these so called law enforcement professionals say is quite shocking. Read the one about Firefighters...LOL

Anyways no more ranting from me. Go catch some turrurists. BTW - have you read the report from the US than not one turrurists has been caught along the Canada/US border despite spending billions of dollars.

Oh one more thing - what a fiasco the CBSA has done with Harkat, from now on you need a judge's permission to do anything with him - what a waste of taxpayers $$$.

[fajer]

Ebola - no need to even respond to trolls like this guy.

a troll with facts - what do you bring? - a big bowl of nothing!

[joeyjoejoe]

Just wondering what the wait times of crossing the border are like now a days. I'm planning on going over to Buffalo via Rainbow Bridge this coming Saturday morning.

I know of the websites for wait times, but it only tells me the current wait time and not what to expect on Saturday morning.

Any help?

[Tacoma]

Just wondering what the wait times of crossing the border are like now a days. I'm planning on going over to Buffalo via Rainbow Bridge this coming Saturday morning.

I know of the websites for wait times, but it only tells me the current wait time and not what to expect on Saturday morning.

Any help?

Interesting. With so many variables to consider, how can anyone predict with any degree of precision what the expected border wait time will be a few days from now?

[halfenjoyed]

I have a question about cross border shopping with coupons. Would you know if I was to have gone and purchased alot of merchandise, but after the coupons the total cost is under $50 for the daily limit. If I claim the value that I purchased, it should indicate on the receipts that I received coupon discounts. Will they go by the total amount or would that be a case of the border agent's discression?

Oh and the same question for gift cards? or would that be a different situation?

[brunes]

I have a question about cross border shopping with coupons. Would you know if I was to have gone and purchased alot of merchandise, but after the coupons the total cost is under $50 for the daily limit. If I claim the value that I purchased, it should indicate on the receipts that I received coupon discounts. Will they go by the total amount or would that be a case of the border agent's discression?

You only have to pay if the amount SPENT is > $50.

Note that INCLUDES any sales tax.

[halfenjoyed]

You only have to pay if the amount SPENT is > $50.

Note that INCLUDES any sales tax.

Thanks,
I guess then, that the value of the gift card would be the same as "SPENT" correct?

[brunes]

Thanks,
I guess then, that the value of the gift card would be the same as "SPENT" correct?

Oh you said "coupon" not gift card.

Yes I think... the gift card counts as money. Just like if you went over with a gift card of value > 10,000 you have to declare it. This is why they say "cash or negotiable instruments" or something like that.

[CSK'sMom]

Yes, gift cards would be the same as cash. By the way, there is no daily limit. Technically the $50 limit does not kick in until you have been out of the country fir 24 consecuative hrs and then if you spend $50.01 you loose the entire exemption.

[halfenjoyed]

OK, Thanks for all your help...

I was talking about coupons, but had updated my post to ask about gift cards as well.

Helpful info from all on both questions
Thanks again

[Pavel]

Technically the $50 limit does not kick in until you have been out of the country fir 24 consecuative hrs and then if you spend $50.01 you loose the entire exemption.
And why is that? Logically, one would assume that if you're allowed the exemption and then pay duty, tax, etc on the difference. Is it because it's easier to administer?

[vaportech]

What is the reasoning that Border Agents be armed, especially when most of them fail the firearms certification tests.

In my dealings with the agents some of them definitely should not be armed at all.

Now can you answer my original question, why do border agents quibble over $5 in duty/taxes while smugglers are running rampant?

BTW - it seems like the border agents are letting a lot more goods come in without being taxed. In my past 5-8 trips not once did I have to pay even though I declared "mostly" everything I bought. Ranging from $150-300 in goods.

Keep up the good work :)

Border agents quibble over $5 dollars in duty/taxes because no one spends 20$ on gas and 1 hour and a half hours (GTA- one way) to go to the states to buy a hamburger and come back. Seriously if your an illegal smuggler you would have more luck saying you bought 100 dollars worth of stuff with no exemption the coming back with declaring $10.

Also about the armed thing, ask yourself why police officers need to be armed, why firefighters need hoses, why doctors need stethoscopes, why a secretary needs a phone.

Answer is simply, because without it, performance is hindered.

I'm not going to approach a possible lunatic with a baton, while he/she is armed with a semi automatic.

So in result less vehicles checked because CSBA agent is intimidated.

Only human.

[brunes]

Border agents quibble over $5 dollars in duty/taxes because no one spends 20$ on gas and 1 hour and a half hours (GTA- one way) to go to the states to buy a hamburger and come back.

Not true at all. People who live in border towns (for example St. Stephen NB) and know when the low points for the border will be take these times to driver over, fill up, and drive back.

No one who lives in a CDN border town buys gas in Canada (unless they have to), they would have to be a fool to do so.

A guy I work with who is from there told me they used to cross the border about 5 times a week on average to get various things on sale and such. Also remember groceries are tax free so you can logically go over, fill up the tank, buy your weeks worth of $200 groceries, and come back, and owe nothing.

[vaportech]

Not true at all. People who live in border towns (for example St. Stephen NB) and know when the low points for the border will be take these times to driver over, fill up, and drive back.

No one who lives in a CDN border town buys gas in Canada (unless they have to), they would have to be a fool to do so.

A guy I work with who is from there told me they used to cross the border about 5 times a week on average to get various things on sale and such. Also remember groceries are tax free so you can logically go over, fill up the tank, buy your weeks worth of $200 groceries, and come back, and owe nothing.

While true, I was speaking from a GTA perspective.

[Hairball]

And why is that? Logically, one would assume that if you're allowed the exemption and then pay duty, tax, etc on the difference. Is it because it's easier to administer?

It's the rule because that's what the government said it would be. If it's more than 24 hours but less than 48, then you will pay taxes/duties on everything if it's over $50.

I wish they'd just relax these provisions a bit, it's a bit too crazy.

[Konowl]

Not true at all. People who live in border towns (for example St. Stephen NB) and know when the low points for the border will be take these times to driver over, fill up, and drive back.

No one who lives in a CDN border town buys gas in Canada (unless they have to), they would have to be a fool to do so.

A guy I work with who is from there told me they used to cross the border about 5 times a week on average to get various things on sale and such. Also remember groceries are tax free so you can logically go over, fill up the tank, buy your weeks worth of $200 groceries, and come back, and owe nothing.

Wait, what? There is no tax on bringing back groceries?!?!?!?

[bst]

Of course, do you pay tax in Canada to buy apples and orange? Stuff like chips and soft drinks are taxable though, only basic groceries (meat, dairy, vegetable) are tax free

[CSK'sMom]

We had a hysterical experience yesterday at the Rainbow bridge. We took 2 of our kids for their annual August "jump the ditch" shopping trip. Our daughter for clothes she doesn't need (:rolleyes:) and our son for stuff he needs to go away to college. A student BSO sends us over to secondary for just over $200 in groceries and just under $400 between 4 of us. A regular BSO comes over to the van and takes a quick look at the yellow card and sends hubby and son inside. They get inside and the BSO takes a quick look at receipts and lets out a huge sigh and mumbles something about students. He quickly enters everything into the system and sends them to the cashier and they pay (son, $26 & hubby $10). Of course the $200+ in groceries is tax fee but we about pee'ed our pants reading the printouts. Hubby's is broken down into girl's clothes with no PST (bonus for us as they aren't girl's clothes but teens, aka adult), cooking utensils (a roasting pan) and liquid SOAP! Yes, they actually have that classification apparently, LOL! Our son's was just as bad as it's broken down into men's clothes and get this... The other classification is "mugs-coffee, beer, tankards, shot glasses" the funniest part is he actually bought a mug and a cooking pot at one store and they put the whole receipt through as a mug valued at $52CAN!

In the big picture it doesn't matter as everything is duty free and just taxable but now we get to kid our son to protect his $52 mug with his life in rez, LMAO!

[Ebola]

You really don't pay taxes often do you? :)

[Konowl]

I meant more of the duty free variety.... so I can bring back $200 worth of groceries duty free if I'm gone for an hour?

[HighFlyer]

I meant more of the duty free variety.... so I can bring back $200 worth of groceries duty free if I'm gone for an hour?

bst already has your answer 3 posts up.

[Konowl]

bst already has your answer 3 posts up.

Duty != GST/PST

[brunes]

Wait, what? There is no tax on bringing back groceries?!?!?!?
Of course not - you don't pay tax on them here ?

Of course, do you pay tax in Canada to buy apples and orange? Stuff like chips and soft drinks are taxable though, only basic groceries (meat, dairy, vegetable) are tax free
While technically true in reality this would never happen. It all gets lumped together under groceries.


I meant more of the duty free variety.... so I can bring back $200 worth of groceries duty free if I'm gone for an hour?

You don't pay duty on hardly anything anymore, and especially not groceries.

Duty is old school from when your parents crossed the border. The only thing you can realistically expect to pay duty on coming over from the US is clothing. Nearly else is covered by one exemption or another - either NAFTA, or a MFN rule. When you do have to pay duty it is a tiny amount and dwarfed by the GST/PST; again the exemption is clothing which have a hefty duty. (Oh and of course alcohol and tobacco and jewlery!)

[CSK'sMom]

You really don't pay taxes often do you? :)

No, we really don't down here Ebola. And they never break it down in the system. If it's mostly clothes they just enter the total of the receipts under one classification like men's clothes and that's it. I can count on one hand the number of times we've been pulled over in the last couple of years and it's usually hubby's and son's combined beer that did it. Under 24 and they don't bother when we do groceries usually. They did get us a couple of times for 46 or more beer plus my 12 of mojito's which we gladly payed and still came out well ahead. ;)

[cwb27]

We had a hysterical experience yesterday at the Rainbow bridge. We took 2 of our kids for their annual August "jump the ditch" shopping trip. Our daughter for clothes she doesn't need (:rolleyes:) and our son for stuff he needs to go away to college. A student BSO sends us over to secondary for just over $200 in groceries and just under $400 between 4 of us. A regular BSO comes over to the van and takes a quick look at the yellow card and sends hubby and son inside. They get inside and the BSO takes a quick look at receipts and lets out a huge sigh and mumbles something about students. He quickly enters everything into the system and sends them to the cashier and they pay (son, $26 & hubby $10). Of course the $200+ in groceries is tax fee but we about pee'ed our pants reading the printouts. Hubby's is broken down into girl's clothes with no PST (bonus for us as they aren't girl's clothes but teens, aka adult), cooking utensils (a roasting pan) and liquid SOAP! Yes, they actually have that classification apparently, LOL! Our son's was just as bad as it's broken down into men's clothes and get this... The other classification is "mugs-coffee, beer, tankards, shot glasses" the funniest part is he actually bought a mug and a cooking pot at one store and they put the whole receipt through as a mug valued at $52CAN!

In the big picture it doesn't matter as everything is duty free and just taxable but now we get to kid our son to protect his $52 mug with his life in rez, LMAO!

Just wait till you import horse semen, you'll see something along the lines of ..
"Horse semen, not for human consumption"

They still have that one in the system, Ebola?

[nanook60]

Also about the armed thing, ask yourself why police officers need to be armed, why firefighters need hoses, why doctors need stethoscopes, why a secretary needs a phone.

Answer is simply, because without it, performance is hindered.

Actually there's alittle more to it than this.

The request for firearms has been initiated and promoted by their union. If the agents are trained and armed like police then they can bargain for higher wages and working conditions similar to police services.

In my informal conversations with the BorderService folks many have no interest in being armed let alone follow the two years of training that it will require.

Many, especially the ones in one person rural crossings, have said they will not try and stop anyone who is deemed to be a threat - sidearm or no sidearm. They would be calling the RCMP or nearest police to intervene.

[Ebola]

Actually there's alittle more to it than this.

The request for firearms has been initiated and promoted by their union. If the agents are trained and armed like police then they can bargain for higher wages and working conditions similar to police services.

In my informal conversations with the BorderService folks many have no interest in being armed let alone follow the two years of training that it will require.

Many, especially the ones in one person rural crossings, have said they will not try and stop anyone who is deemed to be a threat - sidearm or no sidearm. They would be calling the RCMP or nearest police to intervene.

BS on this post.

#1. Once armed, you have no choice, you have a duty to act. Not to mention, there will no longer be any one person crossings. They are all due to be doubled up. Minimum two officers present. If someone is just going to stand aside when they have the ability to stop the threat, they will be fired. You are a peace officer. That means on duty the same as a police officer. You don't get to pick and choose when you step in. Call the police for backup? sure.

#2. Two years training? where did you get that from? It's one 3 week block course, then re-certification every year, with full re-qualification every 3 years.

#3. Whether some of the old timers/ clerk types like it or not, CBSA has re-defined it's organizational identity as law enforcement. Sidearms are to be mandatory, as will a physical standard. Can't wait for those wishy washy tax collector types to retire/transfer out.

#4. The whole point of this was for safe working conditions. Yes it was pushed by the union. CBSA in the past negotiation used Federal Corrections/ Fisheries Officers/ Park Wardens (in other words federal non-police law enforcement) as a comparison for pay. But we won't go down that around about "aww no fair they can't compare themselves to police".

You either haven't been talking to anyone, informally or formally, or whoever you are talking to was out to lunch.

[Ebola]

Just wait till you import horse semen, you'll see something along the lines of ..
"Horse semen, not for human consumption"

They still have that one in the system, Ebola?


Yeah. Oh the hijinks.

[macnut]

Duty != GST/PST

While I know that is just to re-word the question you asked in your previous post,
a lot of people seem to get confused between the terms "duty" and "tax".

Duty is a form of tax but has a variable rate depending on the item in question.

Broadly speaking, duty is divided into:
- excise duty, applied to goods produced within the country, and,
- customs duty, applied to goods produced outside the country

For the most part, the introduction of the GST meant that excise tax was now paid by the consumer rather than the manufacturer.
(The retail price of most goods went down proportionately at that time - not all of them, but most.)

Customs duty is still with us for most things that are not manufactured in the U.S. or Mexico.
Computers and most electronics are one exception.

CSK'sMom could easily have been asked to pay duty on some of the clothing items if the BSO had taken the time to do it, assuming some were made in China, Eastern Europe, etc.

The rate could have been typically 15% or so.

Even with a 2-day absence, when the Most Favoured Nation special rate of duty kicks in - about 5%.

Basic groceries are in a grey area.
Technically, what you spend on groceries returning with you is meant to be included in your declaration for a 24 hour/48 hour or 7-day duty-free exemption.

On a day trip, you have no exemption - does this mean you are entitled to bring back a week's worth of groceries?
In practice, it has to be allowed.
But a conscientious BSO could look for packaged or canned items made outside the US and Mexico and see if there was duty applicable, or even check if the item was allowed into Canada.

[Narci]

I think the reasoning why they wanted ot be armed was this incident a few years back...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1564715/posts

Border crossing at Blaine, Wash., closed after shooting on U.S. side

Greg Joyce Canadian Press

Wednesday, January 25, 2006

BLAINE, Wash. -- American authorities closed the border crossing to British Columbia on Tuesday after an exchange of gunfire on the U.S. side between border guards, police and two murder suspects from California who were eventually apprehended.

The two men were pursued by American police in a high-speed chase along Interstate 5 in Washington state before the men ran the U.S. border crossing in an attempt to get into Canada. "They are very dangerous suspects," said Bill Elfo, sheriff of Whatcom County.

An unspecified number of Canadian border agents, who are unarmed, left their posts during the incident because they were concerned about their safety. Managers took over and border security was not compromised, said Paula Shore, a spokeswoman for the Canada Border Services Agency.

The chase, which reached speeds of 160 km/h, began after Whatcom County sheriff deputies were told that the two suspects had been seen in Custer, Wash., about 10 kilometres south of the border on I-5.

A deputy sheriff tried to make contact with them but they fled.

The men ran the U.S. customs station at the Peace Arch crossing, but police continued their pursuit.

Their vehicle veered across Peace Arch Park and the men were driving north in the southbound lane of I-5. They were eventually stopped by a sheriff deputy who rammed their car with his vehicle.

When the murder suspects tried to flee, shots were exchanged between them and U.S. law enforcement authorities.

One of the men was shot and taken to hospital for treatment. The other was in federal custody.

"Apparently there was a collision involved and the suspects exited the vehicle," said Trooper Bob Wilson of the Washington State Patrol. "I don't know who shot first."

The extent of the wounded man's injuries was not known. No law enforcement officers were injured, said Elfo.

When the car came across the U.S. side of the border, Elfo said two uniformed Homeland Security officers were almost struck by the vehicle.

When it did come to a stop, it was about a metre from the line designating the Canadian border, he said.

"I'm very proud of all our people involved," said Elfo. "It's a highly dangerous business trying to capture suspects such as these."

Sheriff's deputies pursued the two men based on an alert put out by police in Richmond, Calif.

A spike belt was laid across the I-5 between Custer and the border, but it didn't stop the suspects' car, Elfo said.

Lieut. Mark Gagan of the Richmond, Calif., police department said because both men were from different countries, Pakistan and Mexico, there were concerns they would leave the United States.

Gagan said Ishtiaq Hussain, 43, and 22-year-old Jose Antonio Barajas were arrested after the shootout on the U.S. side of the border.

"Right now we're working on extraditing both men back to the San Francisco Bay area to face the murder charges," he said.

Ashok Malhotra was shot to death in a Richmond, Calif., apartment on Saturday.

Gagon said police were pleased with the co-operation they received from several levels of law enforcement agencies in the Washington State area.

"It took a considerable amount of co-ordination to get them to focus on our suspects," he said. "The fact that they were taken into custody before they entered Canada helped us very much."

Shore refused to say Tuesday night how many Canadian border agents left their posts because of the perceived danger. She said less than four of the more than 20 British Columbia border crossings were involved.

"A few officers exercised their right to refuse to work because of what they perceived as imminent danger," Shore said in a telephone interview. Under the labour code, "any worker has the right to refuse to work if they feel they are in imminent danger."

Border service managers took over and "as far as the travelling public is concerned, they would notice no difference," she said. "We still have highly trained people on the front lines doing their job."

The Canadian Department of Human Resources "came and assessed the situation for us," she said, and staffing had returned to normal by late Tuesday night.

The incident prompted officials to divert traffic to the Pacific highway crossing at the border between Washington state and British Columbia. The border crossing reopened early Wednesday.

Washington's Transportation Department said it started diverting traffic on I-5 northbound at about 2:30 p.m.

After the chase across the park on Tuesday, large tire marks had been left around the Peace Arch Monument from the police pursuit.

During the summer, the park is usually filled with tourists walking between the two lanes of the I-5 Highway.

"The public is always at risk when we have crosswalks in the middle of the freeway," said Elfo. "It's a very dangerous situation."

The Peace Arch border crossing was closed for more than two hours a week ago on the Canadian side after customs officers found a suspicious package in a vehicle being driven by a man who was behaving erratically.

The RCMP explosives squad was called in to deal with the package. Four handguns were also found in the car.

Police said the man appeared to be suffering from a mental illness and no charges were laid.

� The Canadian Press 2006

Copyright � 2006 CanWest Interactive, a division of CanWest MediaWorks Publications, Inc.. All rights reserved.

[nanook60]

BS on this post.

#1. Once armed, you have no choice, you have a duty to act. Not to mention, there will no longer be any one person crossings. They are all due to be doubled up. Minimum two officers present. If someone is just going to stand aside when they have the ability to stop the threat, they will be fired. You are a peace officer. That means on duty the same as a police officer. You don't get to pick and choose when you step in. Call the police for backup? sure.

#2. Two years training? where did you get that from? It's one 3 week block course, then re-certification every year, with full re-qualification every 3 years.

#3. Whether some of the old timers/ clerk types like it or not, CBSA has re-defined it's organizational identity as law enforcement. Sidearms are to be mandatory, as will a physical standard. Can't wait for those wishy washy tax collector types to retire/transfer out.

#4. The whole point of this was for safe working conditions. Yes it was pushed by the union. CBSA in the past negotiation used Federal Corrections/ Fisheries Officers/ Park Wardens (in other words federal non-police law enforcement) as a comparison for pay. But we won't go down that around about "aww no fair they can't compare themselves to police".

You either haven't been talking to anyone, informally or formally, or whoever you are talking to was out to lunch.

This feedback came from three different Officers at the small rural crossings I use - albeit the last convesation was a year ago.

No need to get huffy - I relayed what I was told.

But it seems to me there's one right answer and you've got it.
My apologies, gosh I guess I'll refrain from posting my experiences. I'm just not interested getting into one of these I'm right and you're full of crap internet debates.

[Ebola]

I'm not stopping you from posting. I'm addressing the inaccuracies, sometimes glaring, in said post.

Post away.

[brunes]

Basic groceries are in a grey area.
Technically, what you spend on groceries returning with you is meant to be included in your declaration for a 24 hour/48 hour or 7-day duty-free exemption.

On a day trip, you have no exemption - does this mean you are entitled to bring back a week's worth of groceries?
In practice, it has to be allowed.
But a conscientious BSO could look for packaged or canned items made outside the US and Mexico and see if there was duty applicable, or even check if the item was allowed into Canada.
I am pretty sure packaged groceries are always duty free, regardless of origin. NAFTA has nothing to do with it - when I bring back canned goods from France/UK on a plane trip, it is also duty free. So it makes no sense at all to ever include it as part of your exemption.

For example, say I go over for 48 hours, and I bring back 400 in electronics and 200 in groceries. Groceries are duty free so why on earth would you want those included as part of the exception? If they were then you are now 200 over on your electronics. You would always include the electronics under the exemption and put the groceries outside, since they need no exemption, as they are duty free.

Non-packaged groceries are a totally different manner, and subject to all kinds of weird restrictions. See the "Food Products" section of "I Declare" for some of them.

[macnut]

Non-packaged groceries are a totally different manner, and subject to all kinds of weird restrictions. See the "Food Products" section of "I Declare" for some of them.

Yes, good point.

I don't think many day-trippers are aware that they are limited (in theory) to 2 doz. eggs and $20 Cdn. worth of milk, butter, & cheese.

This is aside from any duty payable considerations.

[CSK'sMom]

Yes, good point.

I don't think many day-trippers are aware that they are limited (in theory) to 2 doz. eggs and $20 Cdn. worth of milk, butter, & cheese.

This is aside from any duty payable considerations.

Many who regularly grocery shop in the US are actually aware of this. If for no other eason because the only one that really gets enforced is turkeys at Thanksgiving. They never bother with anything else in our regular experience. And we're in te group that buys 10+ gallons of milk at a time. :D

[scoop]

And we're in te group that buys 10+ gallons of milk at a time. :D

Why do you hate our Canadian cows??? :D

[CSK'sMom]

Why do you hate our Canadian cows??? :D

We actually raised bovine for many a year so I don't hate Canadian cows. What I hate is the controlled dairy prices in Ontario due to the Dairy Marketing Board. When we use 1+ gallons of milk a day in this house and I pay $1.73/gallon in the US I'm sure you can figure it out. ;)

[setell]

Did you guys have more trouble with the smaller US border guys? I went to Cape Vincent the other day to mail a package via USPS (Canada Post won't insure anything higher value then 1k). It seems the US guys didn't believe me when I said I'm there to just mail a package then back home I go. Showed him what I was mailing too. Anyway they practically strip searched my car and asked me a lot of questions. I've never had problems before but was that because I went through a bigger border vs this puny one (wanted to try the ferry ride but dang...I got so nauseous on the ride so no more Cape Vincent visits for me!)? On the flip side, I've never had any problems with the CDN border folks as I just showed the CDN border services agent my registered mail receipt to prove I just went to mail a high value package. Plus, what the heck can I do in Cape Vincent in less then an hour! It's my first time with a bad experience with the US border guys.

[Bob Fugger]

Hi all - longtime lurker, first time poster. I have a skill testing question I'm hoping someone can figure the answer to.

I purchase stuff on amazon and usually have it sent to a mailing house in Blaine, WA. Either I arrange to pick it up when I'm over on the mainland or I get them to ship it up for an additional (small) fee.

This time around, I purchased a Samsung LCD TV and had it shipped to Blaine. The TV had a limited time rebate offer that I took advantage of. If I sent the UPC and amazon receipt, I could get a free Samsung Linkstick (essentially it's a wireless USB dongle that I can use to stream movies directly from my laptop to my TV), instead of shelling out $79.99USD for it. Of course, the offer is only valid in the USA, so I'm having everything sent to Blaine.

Now, when I get the mailing house to ship it up to me, what value do they write on the postal declaration? I'm going to argue zero, because it was a free gift with the TV, upon which I have already paid duty. I essentially paid nothing for it.

[macnut]

Quite a conundrum.

Putting $0 may raise a flag with the customs person,
as she eyeballs the multitude of packages on the conveyor belt,
deciding which ones to semi-randomly pick out for duty and/or tax payable.

Even though that is the actual price you paid for it.

Plus, the mail receiving company in Blaine might feel uneasy about putting $0.

I think this is an instance where a white lie is in order, to make everyone's life easier.

Request them to put a value of $19 and desc. of "electronics accessory".

Even if customs decides to open it, they should find a piece of paper inside indicating that the amount paid was $0.

Or, if needed, you will have an electronic record of the freebie.

The only other reasonable option is to put $79.99,
and if you have to pay taxes at the door, then you can fill out the back of Canada Post's receipt,
mail it in with your supporting paperwork,
wait about 7 weeks, and get a full refund.

I vote for the first option.

[Bob Fugger]

I opted to ask the mailing house to give ut a $15 value. It's also coming USPS, which makes it way easier. I'll let you know what happens when it gets here.

Thanks for the advice!! :!

[death_hawk]

I have a new one:

I was in Peace Arch, Washington a week or two ago and I noticed that in the Duty Free in Canada (going into the US) a bunch of signs said that "Anything bought here can be reimported duty free after 48 hours in the US"

I've never read that anywhere. Is it true?
And how do you declare it? Especially on a TDC.

And is there a limit? I can't see it making a bucket of sense to buy 30L in liquor or 3 gallons of perfume and reimport it after 48 hours for nothing.

[Ebola]

I have a new one:

I was in Peace Arch, Washington a week or two ago and I noticed that in the Duty Free in Canada (going into the US) a bunch of signs said that "Anything bought here can be reimported duty free after 48 hours in the US"

I've never read that anywhere. Is it true?
And how do you declare it? Especially on a TDC.

And is there a limit? I can't see it making a bucket of sense to buy 30L in liquor or 3 gallons of perfume and reimport it after 48 hours for nothing.

They're just putting up signs to encourage buisness.

Duty free stores mislead people all the time about exemptions.

Remember they are in no way affiliated with CBSA, they are a buisness.

No, after 48 hrs you only get $400CAD worth of goods, including a maximum of 40oz of liquor, or 1.5L wine, or 24 beer without paying tax.

[Pavel]

Yeah, I asked a CBSAgent about that years ago and he said the same thing as Ebola. I don't they should be able to advertise like that, but whatever.

[macnut]

I've never read that anywhere. Is it true?

And is there a limit?

It has actually been discussed on RFD before, a few months back.

They are just pointing out that the 24hr. exemption does not allow you any wines and spirits,
but the 48 hr. one does.

And at the same time, they are pointing out that you don't have to shop on the U.S. side at the last minute when coming back.

But either not well worded, or exaggerated on purpose.

People have to weigh the relative costs for whatever they might want to buy, and decide if they want breakables needlessly taking up space in their vehicle or luggage for 2 days.

[xstatik]

Do the Canadian border guards have any way of verifying how long one has been out of the country??? (ie. access to US computers when they scan passport upon entry into USA, cameras at border etc..)

[zod]

Apprently Alberta has a tax treaty with Washington state. If you provide Alberta ID you don't have to pay Washington sales tax.

Growing up in BC I never knew about this, but now living Alberta I've had several people mention it to me. I googled it and it is accurate. Any province/state without a sales tax of their own is exempt from sales tax in washington.

friend of mine says you have to fill out a form when you ask for it, so it might not be worth it on small items, but if you're buying bigger ticket item, its probably worth your time.

[sigmundb0rk]

Planning on driving down to Los Angeles for two weeks to visit family.

If I purchase a new Nikon digital camera and some Nikon brand name accessories, I think all of the products were manufactured in Japan what do I need to expect when I come back to Canada?

I live in Vancouver, BC.

The total cost of all products purchased would be $3,500 USD and with the current exchange rate being $0.95cent (Oct 9th, 2009) the conversion would be approx $3,650 in Canadian Dollars.

Have i exceeded my $750 personal exemption?
Will i need to pay GST & PST at the border or only the GST?
If I do have to pay any of the taxes is it calculated against the $3,500 USD total or the $3,650 CDN total?
Are there any other extra taxes or duties aside from the GST/PST that I may need to pay?

Are there any forms that I may need to fill out upon returning to Canada with my new purchases?

I've done some research and the cost difference now would be a savings of $900 if I were to purchase these items here in Vancouver.

I'm not worried too much about warranties.

[willietheshakes]

The total cost of all products purchased would be $3,500 USD and with the current exchange rate being $0.95cent (Oct 9th, 2009) the conversion would be approx $3,650 in Canadian Dollars.

Have i exceeded my $750 personal exemption?


Um... maybe.

[CheapScotsman]

In the 20 trips I've done in the last 3 years, I have found the drive through at blaine quite thorough in sending me inside to pay taxes.

So I would pretty much bank on paying the GST and PST.

Since the equipment you plan on purchasing is made in Japan, it could be subject to Duty as well. You could try and look at the harmonized tax code online but the easiest way is to phone Customs and ask.

No real paperwork to fill out. They do it on the spot at customs.

You pay GST and PST on the converted amount (after duty) in CDN$.

[brunes]

Many who regularly grocery shop in the US are actually aware of this. If for no other eason because the only one that really gets enforced is turkeys at Thanksgiving. They never bother with anything else in our regular experience. And we're in te group that buys 10+ gallons of milk at a time. :D

I would never buy dairy from the US. They load them up with growth hormone that is not legal to use in Canada or anywhere in the EU, and has been shown in numerous studies to affect child development as well as other things. Some people think it is why girls in the US are developing earlier than in generations past.

I don't buy meat products there either, frankly I don't trust the USDA at all, they are too in bed with big agribusiness. All kinds of strange and unusual hormones and growth treatments are allowed on US animals that are not allowed on meat products sold in Canada.

It's the main reason milk and meat is so much cheaper there. Not worth the savings IMO.

[CSK'sMom]

I would never buy dairy from the US. They load them up with growth hormone that is not legal to use in Canada or anywhere in the EU, and has been shown in numerous studies to affect child development as well as other things. Some people think it is why girls in the US are developing earlier than in generations past.

I don't buy meat products there either, frankly I don't trust the USDA at all, they are too in bed with big agribusiness. All kinds of strange and unusual hormones and growth treatments are allowed on US animals that are not allowed on meat products sold in Canada.

It's the main reason milk and meat is so much cheaper there. Not worth the savings IMO.

Your opinion only. We raised beef cattle for nearly 10 years and now the regulations on both sides of the border inside and out. In case you didn't know the vast majority of Canadian beef you eat spends several feedlot cycles in the US before before being slaughtered here to be sold as Canadian beef. Growth hormones are used here in Canada with slightly different timings than in the US. In fact, if you read a jug a US milk the vast majority are hormone free due to public opinion. As for girls developing earlier because of US milk... well tell that to my 14 yr old DD who doesn't have her period yet. :rolleyes: The fact is, obesity is what is triggering the majority of early puberties these days.

And frankly you are dead wrong as to why dairy and meat is cheaper in the US. Dairy is cheaper due to no marketing board controlling prices. Dairy can and is used as a loss leader in the US with grocery chains routinely getting into price wars which results in lower prices for the consumer. The same is true for poultry, pork and beef. Pricing is consumer driven, not marketing board driven.

[brunes]

Your opinion only.

Actually not. It is the opinion of many.


But Monsanto's own tests, conducted in 1987, demonstrated that statistically significant growth stimulating effects were induced in organs of adult rats by feeding IGF-1 at low dose levels for only two weeks. "Drinking rBGH milk would thus be expected to significantly increase IGF-1 blood levels and consequently to increase risks of developing breast cancer and promoting its invasiveness." [12].
http://www.preventcancer.com/press/releases/july8_98.htm

Such results elicit the possibility that milk consumption affects cancer risk by a biological mechanism concerning IGF-1 in the human body.[1]
http://www.organicconsumers.org/rbgh/0724_monsanto_rbgh.cfm

In Japan, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada, rBST is not approved for use.[33]

The European Union declared the use of rBST as safe in 1990, but, in 1993, a moratorium was placed on its sale by all member nations. It was turned into a permanent ban starting from January 1, 2000.[34]



Yes it is true that NOW, due to consumer pressure, more milk in the US is BGH free. But the idea that the majority is, is simply wrong - you still have to check the label. And even then, it is hard to tell with products like cheese, since they don't always have to label if the cheese is from BGH milk or not.

Frankly, I don't want to have to worry about it, thank you very much.

Say what you want, I will stick with my Canadian regulators thanks. There's a reason the stuff is cheaper just over the border and it has nothing to do with market movements or price fixing, it has to do with what is allowed and what is not WRT big agribusiness.

I trust EU and Canadian regulations over USDA ones any day of the week. Basically the whole USDA is in Monsanto's pocket. If you think otherwise you are deluding yourself - do some research into campaign donations from Monsanto and who is on the USDA and FDA boards.

http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showPerson.php?id=5580&name=Monsanto

[Messerschmitt]

In the 20 trips I've done in the last 3 years, I have found the drive through at blaine quite thorough in sending me inside to pay taxes.


Hi, do you have any experience which border crossing is the least likely to send you inside to pay taxes on items valuing ~250$?

[CheapScotsman]

Hi, do you have any experience which border crossing is the least likely to send you inside to pay taxes on items valuing ~250$?

I mostly use the Truck Crossing because its faster but sometimes use Peace Arch. I never use the ones further east as it would be too much of a backtrack to get back to Blaine.

I usually have $300 to $800 worth of stuff but I've only been gone about 2hrs before I drive back. In the last 3 years I'd say I've been waived on (and not had to pay taxes) only about 3 times in the 20.

I'm triggering it because of the amount (way over $200) and how short a trip I am making. Whether one gets sent in depends on the above plus the traffic, the mood of the officer, etc. I don't think it matter which of the two you choose as they probably share staff.

[Pavel]

And frankly you are dead wrong as to why dairy and meat is cheaper in the US. Dairy is cheaper due to no marketing board controlling prices. Dairy can and is used as a loss leader in the US with grocery chains routinely getting into price wars which results in lower prices for the consumer. The same is true for poultry, pork and beef. Pricing is consumer driven, not marketing board driven.
Isnt their dairy subsidized as well? I personally prefer US dairy as long as I am assured it's growth hormone free. As far as the USDA is concerned, I don't believe it's any worse than that if Agriculture Canada.

[setell]

Speaking of meat in the US, their chicken breasts aren't of "young" chicken but middle or old chickens. The meat is so much more tougher then the boneless chicken breasts I buy at Loblaws. Although it was just $1.99/lb I am not buying chicken in the US again. I do like their beef though....sooo tender:cheesygri:cheesygri

[Pavel]

Loblaws for meats? Argh. Overwaitea and Safeway is where I prefer to shop locally for meats, besides the butcher.

[sigmundb0rk]

There are no duties for digital cameras, but will still have to pay for GST & PST none the less. I still save $1,500 after purchasing it from the USA.

So as it works out.

Away for 2 weeks, buy a camera, total comes out to
$3,400 USD
$3468 CDN coverted at 1.04
$3884.16 GST/PST
$3134.16 deduct your $750 exemption limit

compared to the price in canada = $3,699.99 + GST/PST = $4143

save approx $1000

[Pavel]

It's my understanding that if you exceed your exemption limit, you pay PST/GST on the ENTIRE value of the goods. You get no reduction based on the exemption?? :confused:

[Jbently]

It's my understanding that if you exceed your exemption limit, you pay PST/GST on the ENTIRE value of the goods. You get no reduction based on the exemption?? :confused:

Only on the 24 hour exemption is where it's $50 or nothing. The 48 hour and 7 day ones you will only be taxed on anything about $400/$750 respectively.

[death_hawk]

I'm a resident of Alberta.

If I bring stuff over to a province which has PST/HST, do I still pay PST/HST?

I'm planning on going to the US to pick up some stuff while in Vancouver and don't want to be hit with another 7% when I can drive to Great Falls to skip it.

[xstatik]

Do the Canadian border guards have any way of verifying how long one has been out of the country??? (ie. access to US computers when they scan passport upon entry into USA, cameras at border etc..)

[1226]

Do the Canadian border guards have any way of verifying how long one has been out of the country??? (ie. access to US computers when they scan passport upon entry into USA, cameras at border etc..)

Definitely.

[xstatik]

Definitely.

Care to elaborate?? (sp?)

[GreyingJay]

Care to elaborate?? (sp?)

I don't work for CBSA so I'm no authority on the subject, but surely when they scan your passport they make a record that you are entering/leaving a country. And since you can't be in two places at once, the fact that you are entering country A must mean that you are leaving country B. The only question remaining is, does country A link their database with country B so that entering A automatically informs B that you're leaving. I can't answer authoritatively but I am certain that there is a linkup between the databases. Otherwise any given country would only ever have records of when you entered.

My anecdotal evidence: one time I drove from Canada to the USA to attend a conference. We had a box of merchandise that we were hoping to sell, but it was denied at the border. We had to leave the box at the US customs brokerage office with the intent that we would pick it up again on the way back home. Unfortunately we couldn't figure out how to get there from the other direction so we found ourselves at the border entering Canada without our stuff. We explained to the border guard that we needed to turn around and re-enter the USA so we could get our box. The guard let us through without checking our passports, so we could basically do a U-turn and go right back to the US border. The US border guard looked plenty confused, and I think it's because his records would show that we entered the US twice without ever officially leaving.

[death_hawk]

I'm a resident of Alberta.

If I bring stuff over to a province which has PST/HST, do I still pay PST/HST?


For those curious, I just talked to the CBSA. As long as I can prove I'm an Alberta resident I only get billed for GST for most goods.
The major exception would be liquor.

[mada726]

I'm planning to order at an online store that is based in the U.S. and what really bothers me is some online stores in the U.S. conduct what is called a "Small Charge Verification". This applies to International Credit Cards.

The reason of that is to protect against fraud and verifies that the card holder is me. Here is a sample on what I'm talking about (in this case, a US site called DogFunk.com (http://sales.liveperson.net/hc/s-9551721/cmd/kbresource/kb-3717120876589933954/view_question!PAGETYPE?sc=130&sp=97&sf=101133&documentid=239610&action=view&VisitorProfile=DogFunk&MESSAGEVAR!home=no&MESSAGEVAR!cookie=no&MESSAGEVAR!docid=239610)):


If you use any type of international credit card, or if we are having trouble verifying your billing information, we will conduct what’s known as a Small Charge Verification.

What we do:
• We charge your credit card an amount greater than $0, but less than $3.00 USD.
• Contact you via phone or email informing you that we have assessed the small charge.

What you do:
• Contact the bank associated with that credit card to learn the exact amount of the small charge. It will show up as a charge by either Dogfunk.com or our parent company Backcountry.com. It does not have to be in US dollars, we can perform the conversion.
• Call us at [whatever the phone number is listed on the link] to confirm the charge and finish processing your order. You can also send an email via our Service Request page. Please include the following in your message: your name, order number, and small charge amount included in the body of the email.

Why we do it:
This process is the easiest way to confirm that you have the credit card in your hands, know your account number and bank information, and are in good standing with your bank. Once we have confirmed your card, you won’t be asked to go through this process to place future orders.

I really need some "clarification" on the first point of the "What you do" portion of the question. I have a BMO MasterCard (no, it's not a US Dollar one) and I normally check my unbilled transactions online (but still receive monthly statements by snail mail), but I don't want to call BMO customer service.

Is it necessary to mention that online site about the charge that was listed in my "unbilled transactions" on the BMO self-service website? or do I simply need to phone BMO customer service?

[Hairball]

I don't work for CBSA so I'm no authority on the subject, but surely when they scan your passport they make a record that you are entering/leaving a country. And since you can't be in two places at once, the fact that you are entering country A must mean that you are leaving country B. The only question remaining is, does country A link their database with country B so that entering A automatically informs B that you're leaving. I can't answer authoritatively but I am certain that there is a linkup between the databases. Otherwise any given country would only ever have records of when you entered.

My anecdotal evidence: one time I drove from Canada to the USA to attend a conference. We had a box of merchandise that we were hoping to sell, but it was denied at the border. We had to leave the box at the US customs brokerage office with the intent that we would pick it up again on the way back home. Unfortunately we couldn't figure out how to get there from the other direction so we found ourselves at the border entering Canada without our stuff. We explained to the border guard that we needed to turn around and re-enter the USA so we could get our box. The guard let us through without checking our passports, so we could basically do a U-turn and go right back to the US border. The US border guard looked plenty confused, and I think it's because his records would show that we entered the US twice without ever officially leaving.

Many countries actually have both routine enter and exit immigration checks, mostly over in Asia and Europe. Just not Canada and the US which only usually check for entry.

I think in your case maybe they were wondering why you re-entered in such a short time period, not so much that they have did not have a record that you left.

But that being said I suspect there is probably some sort of information sharing between the two governments to track entry movements at the border.

[Ebola]

Many countries actually have both routine enter and exit immigration checks, mostly over in Asia and Europe. Just not Canada and the US which only usually check for entry.

I think in your case maybe they were wondering why you re-entered in such a short time period, not so much that they have did not have a record that you left.

But that being said I suspect there is probably some sort of information sharing between the two governments to track entry movements at the border.

Canada does have immigration exit controls, and they are fairly common, but you are right, I wouldn't go as far as to say they are routine for all foreign nationals.

[tCx]

another question about cross border thing.

I didn't cross often since it's such a hassle, but recently every time I entered Canada, I always being referred to see Customs/Immigration.
This time I was told that the reason that I was on the list is because I was rejected from entering Canada before.
Which I recall, there might be 1 time years ago when my friend asked me to bring his car up for a car show (Washington plate), had no intention of importing it whatsoever and was ignorant of whether such rules exist. So I had to turn back and switch to Canadian plates car.
Will that one incident causes me to be pulled over every time I enter Canada? is there any way to remove my name from the list (currently a landed immigrant)? or will it disappear once I obtained Canadian citizenship?

[mada726]

Me and my mum along with her friends are heading out for the day in Buffalo, New York to do some shopping.

The malls that we are going to visit are:

- Fashion Outlets Niagara Falls
- Walden Galeria

Is there any advice that you can give to me on what to expect? We are going to pay with our credit cards and I want to know if there are any helpful "pointers" that you guys can suggest for us. Thanks.

[Hairball]

another question about cross border thing.

I didn't cross often since it's such a hassle, but recently every time I entered Canada, I always being referred to see Customs/Immigration.
This time I was told that the reason that I was on the list is because I was rejected from entering Canada before.
Which I recall, there might be 1 time years ago when my friend asked me to bring his car up for a car show (Washington plate), had no intention of importing it whatsoever and was ignorant of whether such rules exist. So I had to turn back and switch to Canadian plates car.
Will that one incident causes me to be pulled over every time I enter Canada? is there any way to remove my name from the list (currently a landed immigrant)? or will it disappear once I obtained Canadian citizenship?

If you are a Canadian resident there are issues if you try to drive a non-Canadian plated car into Canada. I don't know the details, but basically they'll assuming you will be importing it here.

I don't think you were really personally rejected in entering Canada, more that car was rejected unless you paid the tax and/or charges. Once you become a Canadian citizen though you are no longer subject to immigration controls, and you will be able to enter by right.

[watodo]

My PR card is expired, have not had to chance to renew it, but I want to go down to Seattle to do some Black Friday shopping next week. Will I have issues coming back into Canada? I heard that I just need to show them that I paid the renewal fee online already if I don't have the new card yet...but..just want to be sure....

[atomiton]

My PR card is expired, have not had to chance to renew it, but I want to go down to Seattle to do some Black Friday shopping next week. Will I have issues coming back into Canada? I heard that I just need to show them that I paid the renewal fee online already if I don't have the new card yet...but..just want to be sure....

There's always the potential that you will have trouble in the border. It's your responsibility to keep it up to date. If I'm not mistaken, don't you need to keep it up to date, whether you travel or not?

[Hairball]

There's always the potential that you will have trouble in the border. It's your responsibility to keep it up to date. If I'm not mistaken, don't you need to keep it up to date, whether you travel or not?

Strictly speaking you aren't required to have a PR card to cross the land border back to Canada (say if you drive). It's only for commercial transportation that requires it, such as bus, plane or train.

Do you have other documentation that can prove your status?

http://www.cic.gc.ca/EnGLIsh/information/faq/pr-card/pr-card-faq12.asp

[watodo]

There's always the potential that you will have trouble in the border. It's your responsibility to keep it up to date. If I'm not mistaken, don't you need to keep it up to date, whether you travel or not?

yea it was my fault..just totally forgot that PR cards have expiration...PR cards expires every 5 years.....not like passports 10 years...it's annoying because before PR cards were implemented, we use the record of landing paper, which doesn't expire...and PR cards were implemented just over 5 years ago..so this is the first wave of expiration, which makes it easy to forget since we never had to do it before...

[watodo]

Strictly speaking you aren't required to have a PR card to cross the land border back to Canada (say if you drive). It's only for commercial transportation that requires it, such as bus, plane or train.

Do you have other documentation that can prove your status?

http://www.cic.gc.ca/EnGLIsh/information/faq/pr-card/pr-card-faq12.asp

thx for the link..i do still have my original record of landing paper...

[dealcatcher]

is there any duty for non NTFA laptop?

[zergbones]

I have recently returned to Canada and had paid duties/taxes on alcohol. On the yellow sheet I was wondering what it meant when the border officer wrote " 2 BH". As well, will I have complications from the Canadian border when I visit the states and return to Canada again since I have declared duties/taxes on alcohol before? Thanks.

[Ebola]

I have recently returned to Canada and had paid duties/taxes on alcohol. On the yellow sheet I was wondering what it meant when the border officer wrote " 2 BH". As well, will I have complications from the Canadian border when I visit the states and return to Canada again since I have declared duties/taxes on alcohol before? Thanks.

No, being in legal compliance would not result in your having any issues.

[bst]

I know I am allowed to bring back alcoholic beverages back after leaving Canada for 48 hours and the limits are as follow:

* 1.5 litres (53 imperial ounces) of wine;
* 1.14 litres (40 ounces) of alcohol;
* a total of 1.14 litres (40 ounces) of wine and liquor; or
* 24 x 355 millilitre (12 ounce) cans or bottles (maximum of 8.5 litres) of beer or ale.
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5056-eng.html#s4x5


So, what is the different between wine, alcohol, and liquor? Is it based on the alcohol content?

[Ebola]

I know I am allowed to bring back alcoholic beverages back after leaving Canada for 48 hours and the limits are as follow:

* 1.5 litres (53 imperial ounces) of wine;
* 1.14 litres (40 ounces) of alcohol;
* a total of 1.14 litres (40 ounces) of wine and liquor; or
* 24 x 355 millilitre (12 ounce) cans or bottles (maximum of 8.5 litres) of beer or ale.
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5056-eng.html#s4x5


So, what is the different between wine, alcohol, and liquor? Is it based on the alcohol content?

The literal difference or the difference in tax rates? :razz:

At any rate yes it's classified on how the alcohol is produced (grapes, hops, grains etc) and the alcohol content.

For example importing alcohol into Canada if you live in Ontario, would result at the border in GST, 12% PST, federal excise/duty tax on alcohol , and a provincial (LCBO) alcohol markup of up to 60-70% depending on what your are importing. Liquor being the highest tax, wine and beer taxed at a lower rate.

So in general what you see is say someone buys a 40oz bottle of liquor for $20 in the US. Same bottle sells for $50 in the LCBO. The taxes imposed upon importation would probably be in the $30 range, so that it's virtually a wash.

[bst]

I am looking for the literal difference between them because I want to know what kind of alcoholic beverages fall under the 53oz catergory. If I am not mistaken, wine refers to alcohol made out of grapes, eg: red wine and white wine (~13% alcohol content) whereas alcohol/liquor refers to drinks like whiskey, cognac, etc (~40% alcohol content)?

[zergbones]

Thanks, and I was wondering what it meant when he wrote "2 BH" on the yellow slip.

[Ebola]

I am looking for the literal difference between them because I want to know what kind of alcoholic beverages fall under the 53oz catergory. If I am not mistaken, wine refers to alcohol made out of grapes, eg: red wine and white wine (~13% alcohol content) whereas alcohol/liquor refers to drinks like whiskey, cognac, etc (~40% alcohol content)?

Wine falls under wine. It's not overly complicated. You have beer, wine, then liquors/liqueurs etc.

[mx703]

Does the Canadian Border Services know when you entered the United States?

My friend told me that the US Border Services DOES NOT share their information with the Canadian Border Services..

ie.
Canada --> USA on Dec 12th

USA --> Canada on Dec 13th

When the Canadian Border Guard asks you how long you've been in the states for.. Can you tell them you Entered the states on Dec 10th because they don't know when you actually entered the states?
thus, raising your limit to $400 to bring over?

[xstatik]

Does the Canadian Border Services know when you entered the United States?

My friend told me that the US Border Services DOES NOT share their information with the Canadian Border Services..

ie.
Canada --> USA on Dec 12th

USA --> Canada on Dec 13th

When the Canadian Border Guard asks you how long you've been in the states for.. Can you tell them you Entered the states on Dec 10th because they don't know when you actually entered the states?
thus, raising your limit to $400 to bring over?

I was wondering the same thing

[deltone]

Does the Canadian Border Services know when you entered the United States?

My friend told me that the US Border Services DOES NOT share their information with the Canadian Border Services..

ie.
Canada --> USA on Dec 12th

USA --> Canada on Dec 13th

When the Canadian Border Guard asks you how long you've been in the states for.. Can you tell them you Entered the states on Dec 10th because they don't know when you actually entered the states?
thus, raising your limit to $400 to bring over?

Nobody is going to give you a definitive answer to that question but I think it's safe to say that the information is shared (why wouldn't it be?) and besides, honesty is the best policy when crossing the border. They are not stupid and can often tell if you are lying. Also, they do periodic spot checks so it's just not worth lying because of the grief you can encounter. Besides, the fact that you don't have receipts dated for the earlier period can possibly be a tip-off that you weren't there as long as you said.

[GSRee]

When the Canadian Border Guard asks you how long you've been in the states for.. Can you tell them you Entered the states on Dec 10th because they don't know when you actually entered the states?
thus, raising your limit to $400 to bring over?

Whether they share the info or not, what do you do if he asks you additional questions like where did you stay, what did you do, why are all your receipts from today and there's nothing from the 10, 11, 12, etc.

So make sure you research and rehearse your back story if you plan on trying to cheat the system. Personally, I'd rather just pay the little bit extra rather than have the possibility of having all my stuff taken away from me.

Also, it wouldn't surprise me if they had an automated method of capturing license plates of people leaving the country and recording the date, so they wouldn't need the US to share that info.

[CheapScotsman]

Does the Canadian Border Services know when you entered the United States?

My friend told me that the US Border Services DOES NOT share their information with the Canadian Border Services..

The Washington State police pulled my BC Driving record in the 1980s ... and one wants to believe that ... in light of 9/11 and all the border tightening news articles, etc ... that they don't share border crossing data ... okay



ie.
Canada --> USA on Dec 12th

USA --> Canada on Dec 13th

When the Canadian Border Guard asks you how long you've been in the states for.. Can you tell them you Entered the states on Dec 10th because they don't know when you actually entered the states?
thus, raising your limit to $400 to bring over?Followed soon by a rfd post titled ... the border guards tore my car apart and stripped searched me

The border guys will probably let you pass if you are bringing in $100 to $200 anyways. So you are saving tax on $200 which is $24 ... you would have to pay tax here anyways; the savings should be in the deal you got in the US.

[mx703]

yeah, i guess it's not worth it to cheat the system..
UNLESS the CBSA is a dick and decides to charge you DUTY which is 18% ON TOP of the 12% tax you already paid..

I just found this out today as I picked up a package today.. and the lady behind me bought shoes for $350.. was taxed 12% then charged another 18% because the shoes weren't made in N. America.. She almost cried..

Luckily, I got a different guy who didn't care about NAFTA and just made me pay 12% tax... they usually do not charge duty though.. so this CBSA guard was probably new or likes being a douche bag.

[Pavel]

It's Xmas time and even CBSA wants to reap the benefits. Expect duty more and more at this time of year.

[rivet]

This is a really good thread, I wonder if OP can add or any one else will open a thread about custom fees for stuff shipping into Canada.

[Tacoma]

I know I am allowed to bring back alcoholic beverages back after leaving Canada for 48 hours and the limits are as follow:

* 1.5 litres (53 imperial ounces) of wine;
* 1.14 litres (40 ounces) of alcohol;
* a total of 1.14 litres (40 ounces) of wine and liquor; or
* 24 x 355 millilitre (12 ounce) cans or bottles (maximum of 8.5 litres) of beer or ale.
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5056-eng.html#s4x5


So, what is the different between wine, alcohol, and liquor? Is it based on the alcohol content?


The literal difference or the difference in tax rates? :razz:

At any rate yes it's classified on how the alcohol is produced (grapes, hops, grains etc) and the alcohol content.
...

Yeah, that customs document isn't very clear here. My 2 cents...

Wines, including table wine, sparkling wine/Champagne, ice wine, and sake, are made by a fermentation process started by adding yeasts that converts sugar in the grape juice to alcohol. I think you can bring in a total of 1.5L of any combo of these wines.

Spirits, including vodka, gin, brandies (e.g., cognac) and whiskies (e.g., scotch, bourbon), undergoes an additional distillation process that separates the alcohol from water and thus you have much stronger alcohol concentrations. I think spirits fall under the 1.14L limit category.

Liqueurs such as cointreau and Grand Marnier I think should also fall into the 1.14L limit category while fortified wines such as port and sherry are categorized as wines.

[mastercool]

i have an important question if someone could answer it:

The alcohol limits are per person right? I have 3 other people in my family, so they are entitled to their own selection of beer as well correct?

Also, my sister is 20. In Canada, she can drink, but not in the USA. Is she entitled to bring any back or is it useless for her?

Currently in the US for another day and this info is crucial to me. A response is appreciated. Thanks.

[Ebola]

i have an important question if someone could answer it:

The alcohol limits are per person right? I have 3 other people in my family, so they are entitled to their own selection of beer as well correct?

Also, my sister is 20. In Canada, she can drink, but not in the USA. Is she entitled to bring any back or is it useless for her?

Currently in the US for another day and this info is crucial to me. A response is appreciated. Thanks.

Per person.

You must be of legal drinking age in the province you are entering Canada in to import alcohol.

ex: You are an 18 year old from Quebec. You can't bring in alcohol at any Ontario ports of entry, but you could at Quebec ports of entry.

So 20 is old enough for anywhere in Canada.

[silverforumsurfer]

Ebola (or other member with experience), with the GST rebate now no longer applicable.
Is the tax refund centre on Pearson Terminal 1 Departures Level 3 area still open?
Otherwise, where can someone that's flying through Pearson go to get an export stamp? (I assume that's needed to get a refund on tax/duties for exported items). I assumed this needs to be done prior to check-in.

Secondly, is it commonly to be asked inside to pay tax on $300 of stuff at the border? And also have your car searched (albeit briefly) after you pay inside? Not sure what prompted them since I showed them the receipts which matched the declaration and never previously was pulled inside before and a Nexus holder.

The customs agent didn't check/open my passport but immediately started filling out that yellow sheet when I mentioned the amount. No problems with the search, am I blacklisted or is this common for the Rainbow bridge (first time crossing this one).

[CSK'sMom]

Ebola (or other member with experience), with the GST rebate now no longer applicable.
Is the tax refund centre on Pearson Terminal 1 Departures Level 3 area still open?
Otherwise, where can someone that's flying through Pearson go to get an export stamp? (I assume that's needed to get a refund on tax/duties for exported items). I assumed this needs to be done prior to check-in.

Secondly, is it commonly to be asked inside to pay tax on $300 of stuff at the border? And also have your car searched (albeit briefly) after you pay inside? Not sure what prompted them since I showed them the receipts which matched the declaration and never previously was pulled inside before and a Nexus holder.

The customs agent didn't check/open my passport but immediately started filling out that yellow sheet when I mentioned the amount. No problems with the search, am I blacklisted or is this common for the Rainbow bridge (first time crossing this one).

I'll answer the second question as we cross the Rainbow a couple of times a week. Getting pulled over to pay the taxes due is the luck of the draw. Generally they are very lenient but there is no guarantee either way. As for your car quickly searched, yes it's normal. It doesn't always happen but it can and when it does it's normal. If they found nothing then you are 100% fine. You can thank the increased smuggling this time of year for your experience BTW. We've seen at least one caught just about every time we've crossed in the last 6 or 8 weeks. :|

Heck, hubby got hung up coming back from playing hockey on the US side last night. The American guys were checking cars leaving the US which caused a pretty good line and the Canadian guys were being extra thorough as well. He put it down to the increased terror alert status or them looking for someone/something specific due to a tip.

[yiujun]

yeah, i guess it's not worth it to cheat the system..
UNLESS the CBSA is a dick and decides to charge you DUTY which is 18% ON TOP of the 12% tax you already paid..

I just found this out today as I picked up a package today.. and the lady behind me bought shoes for $350.. was taxed 12% then charged another 18% because the shoes weren't made in N. America.. She almost cried..

Luckily, I got a different guy who didn't care about NAFTA and just made me pay 12% tax... they usually do not charge duty though.. so this CBSA guard was probably new or likes being a douche bag.

You must've went to Point Roberts. I had exactly the same thing happen to me when I brought over my snow pants.

[Couper]

Ebola: I live pretty much right on the border and know folks that do all their grocery shopping across the river. A friend's father bought their Christmas turkey in the States (@ $.99/lb!). Personally, I've always been afraid to bring back ANY food whatsoever so I've never really thought about doing it myself.

If I were to get groceries from the states and bring them back, what products should I nix from my list? I understand that produce is probably at the top of the list: just wondering if meats etc; are the same.

Also, what taxes would I face upon returning?

[CSK'sMom]

Ebola: I live pretty much right on the border and know folks that do all their grocery shopping across the river. A friend's father bought their Christmas turkey in the States (@ $.99/lb!). Personally, I've always been afraid to bring back ANY food whatsoever so I've never really thought about doing it myself.

If I were to get groceries from the states and bring them back, what products should I nix from my list? I understand that produce is probably at the top of the list: just wondering if meats etc; are the same.

Also, what taxes would I face upon returning?

We buy all our groceries on the US side, in fact we just got back from a shopping/grocery run. Groceries they never pull you over as frankly, it would take them too long to figure out what exactly is taxable and what isn't. Produce isn't an issue, neither is meat. Turkey does have a limit of 1 whole per person but generally the only time they even ask is around the US Thanksgiving. Here's a good page that explains the limits on most grocery products...
http://www.crossbordershopping.ca/content/view/bringing-food-plant-animal-products-into-canada-12/

[heyhey]

So just to clarify, I (being 20 years old) can bring in alcohol from the United States to Ontario without any problem?

Let's say I am at the Duty Free store and I got an adult who was over 21 years old to buy me alcohol in the store. I should be able to bring it through to Ontario without border patrol asking me questions on how I obtained the alcohol underage?

[Davedigger]

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but can I, as a Canadian, bring 1 or 2 Cuban cigars into the US for personal consumption? They are from Cuba, but I would be crossing into the US from Canada.

[scoop]

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but can I, as a Canadian, bring 1 or 2 Cuban cigars into the US for personal consumption? They are from Cuba, but I would be crossing into the US from Canada.

sure you can - just dont get caught or tell them...

[DLFB]

So just to clarify, I (being 20 years old) can bring in alcohol from the United States to Ontario without any problem?

Let's say I am at the Duty Free store and I got an adult who was over 21 years old to buy me alcohol in the store. I should be able to bring it through to Ontario without border patrol asking me questions on how I obtained the alcohol underage?

What's @ Buffalo duty free that you're willing to get that person in trouble for buying you alcohol? Can you please tell me?

Ebola's a CBSA officer (OP), you're basically asking him if you can cheat the system


If I were to get groceries from the states and bring them back, what products should I nix from my list? I understand that produce is probably at the top of the list: just wondering if meats etc; are the same.

The government would prefer you not to bring veggies, fruits and meat. If you do, declare it.


UNLESS the CBSA is a dick and decides to charge you DUTY which is 18% ON TOP of the 12% tax you already paid..
for most clothing articles 18% is a common rate.

I'll try to assist here with the easy questions...but as Ebola says, it's all on the CBSA website.

[rommelrommel]

Eh, I'll admit getting charged duty on most items is a crapshoot, at least in the lower mainland. Most times that it's applicable it isn't charged, especially on smaller purchases. Buy a car and you'll pay it for sure.

[CheapScotsman]

Eh, I'll admit getting charged duty on most items is a crapshoot, at least in the lower mainland. Most times that it's applicable it isn't charged, especially on smaller purchases. Buy a car and you'll pay it for sure.

Actually, you may have to clarify that

I have been bringing back stuff from the US for almost 15 years and can't remember ONCE being charged DUTY. Now it is crap shoot on GST/PST but DUTY???

The only time I could see getting charged DUTY for sure would be bringing back over your limit on alcohol/tobacco

[brunes]

What's @ Buffalo duty free that you're willing to get that person in trouble for buying you alcohol? Can you please tell me?

Ebola's a CBSA officer (OP), you're basically asking him if you can cheat the system


He's not asking how he can cheat the system, he is asking if he, who is perfectly legal to drink in Ont., can import beer purchased in the US, which may or may not be have been legal to buy in whatever state he bought it in, but CBSA has no jurisdiction on that so it is not relevant AFAIK. It's legal in Canada so he can import it.

Now, if he was caught on the US side during a spot check before he made it to CDN broder... that might be trouble... and yes that does happen sometimes, happened to me. I suspect they had gotten some call someone was smuggling something.

[avi1]

What's the SIMPLEST way for me to bring COMMERCIAL goods across the Border? Allow me to expand...

I have a Nexus (which may or may not be applicable) and love the convenience. About once a month I order about $10,000 in US-made electronic goods from the US. Right now I get them shipped to Ontario by UPS and pay the GST though not the PST since I'm exempt.

I have an address in Niagara Falls and find myself down there monthly as it is. I could save quite a bit in shipping if I have the goods delivered to NY but then how do I properly declare them?

I'd need to retain my PST exemption, and I presume that either the value or the commercial nature of the goods might require more than just pulling up to the Customs booth with my Nexus slip filled out.

Should I just stick with UPS to Ontario and let them handle it or can I do this properly and simply on my own during a day trip?

Thx

[rommelrommel]

Actually, you may have to clarify that

I have been bringing back stuff from the US for almost 15 years and can't remember ONCE being charged DUTY. Now it is crap shoot on GST/PST but DUTY???

The only time I could see getting charged DUTY for sure would be bringing back over your limit on alcohol/tobacco

I'm an officer, a minority of officers still charge duty, most don't. Certain crossings are more likely to charge it. I'm surprised you never paid it years ago, revenue used to be the primary focus at the border.


What's the SIMPLEST way for me to bring COMMERCIAL goods across the Border? Allow me to expand...

I have a Nexus (which may or may not be applicable) and love the convenience. About once a month I order about $10,000 in US-made electronic goods from the US. Right now I get them shipped to Ontario by UPS and pay the GST though not the PST since I'm exempt.

I have an address in Niagara Falls and find myself down there monthly as it is. I could save quite a bit in shipping if I have the goods delivered to NY but then how do I properly declare them?

I'd need to retain my PST exemption, and I presume that either the value or the commercial nature of the goods might require more than just pulling up to the Customs booth with my Nexus slip filled out.

Should I just stick with UPS to Ontario and let them handle it or can I do this properly and simply on my own during a day trip?

Thx

No commercial goods in Nexus period. You can either prepare your own B3 entry or use a broker. Doing the B3 is not hard but you take liability for errors made and can be fined for something as simple as a keying error, and fines start at $100. How much shipping are you talking about saving?

[avi1]

No commercial goods in Nexus period. You can either prepare your own B3 entry or use a broker. Doing the B3 is not hard but you take liability for errors made and can be fined for something as simple as a keying error, and fines start at $100. How much shipping are you talking about saving?

I didn't think the Nexus would help on the commercial side, just mentioning it as a point of fact. So a "B3" is what I should be looking at. Okay, so that's more than I knew a minute ago!

I could save $100-$120 per shipment. Sounds like it may or may not be worth it thought.

[rommelrommel]

I didn't think the Nexus would help on the commercial side, just mentioning it as a point of fact. So a "B3" is what I should be looking at. Okay, so that's more than I knew a minute ago!

I could save $100-$120 per shipment. Sounds like it may or may not be worth it thought.

Yeah, a broker charges at least $100 just to start so a B3 would be the only way to save much money.

Here's some further info:

http://www.cbsa.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5079-eng.html

[shepd]

Just figured I'd post my last border experience, which, I admit, was quite a long time ago.

I'd gone to the US over the rainbow bridge to speak with someone about a business deal. I had packed in my car a package to deliver to someone in the US, since it's (obviously) cheaper to send it from somewhere in the US than somewhere in Canada. Unfortunately, they changed the time on me and I ended up having to meet them at about 10 pm on a Sunday, so I couldn't deliver anything, but, dammit, I left the package in my car.

At the US border, they asked me if I had anything to declare. I told them about the package and my purpose, and they said I wasn't supposed to go over the rainbow bridge for business purposes, but since it's under $2,000, he'd let me pass anyways (Lewiston is too far away!) Nice guy!

On the way back, at the Canadian border crossing, the BSO lady was very interested about the small Coleman heater on my dash and had me go in for inspection. I realized at that point she probably thought it was a radar detector (Illegal in Ontario)! HA!

Well, they opened every compartment of my car (Fortunately, no stripping it down, I think once they had a look at the heater they realized I wasn't trying to bring over anything funny). But they had a crap-fit about the package. Of course, I was nice I told them about the "weapons" in the car (ie: My swiss army knife and a small hunting knife) before I grabbed them since they had me involved in getting everything out of the car.

Anyways, I had 5 FTA satellite receivers in that package. They didn't have a problem with that. Instead, they insisted to call my supplier about it because they didn't have any FRENCH manuals! (Although, they do have a french menu option). I know, that technically makes them illegal for sale in Canada, such a stupid rule.

They wanted to confiscate them (Probably more like keep them for themselves like the Canadian prisons that had DirecTV at the time!) but I ended up getting to keep them because I had already labelled the box for shipping to someone in the US, so they were for "export only", which meant the labelling requirements didn't matter. I did get to spend an hour or two sitting around a desolate border station, though!

Lucky I did that, because without the label, I'd have probably got the pleasure of being on that "bad boy" list and having the damn things confiscated for no (good) reason.

Hopefully, when I go over this time they won't be a pain in the ass again. We will see... I always declare everything that has to be declared, so it'll be their time wasted. I'll just remember to bring something to eat/drink with me.

[rommelrommel]

Just figured I'd post my last border experience, which, I admit, was quite a long time ago.

I'd gone to the US over the rainbow bridge to speak with someone about a business deal. I had packed in my car a package to deliver to someone in the US, since it's (obviously) cheaper to send it from somewhere in the US than somewhere in Canada. Unfortunately, they changed the time on me and I ended up having to meet them at about 10 pm on a Sunday, so I couldn't deliver anything, but, dammit, I left the package in my car.

At the US border, they asked me if I had anything to declare. I told them about the package and my purpose, and they said I wasn't supposed to go over the rainbow bridge for business purposes, but since it's under $2,000, he'd let me pass anyways (Lewiston is too far away!) Nice guy!

On the way back, at the Canadian border crossing, the BSO lady was very interested about the small Coleman heater on my dash and had me go in for inspection. I realized at that point she probably thought it was a radar detector (Illegal in Ontario)! HA!

CBSA has never enforced provincial legislation.


Well, they opened every compartment of my car (Fortunately, no stripping it down, I think once they had a look at the heater they realized I wasn't trying to bring over anything funny). But they had a crap-fit about the package. Of course, I was nice I told them about the "weapons" in the car (ie: My swiss army knife and a small hunting knife) before I grabbed them since they had me involved in getting everything out of the car.

Anyways, I had 5 FTA satellite receivers in that package. They didn't have a problem with that. Instead, they insisted to call my supplier about it because they didn't have any FRENCH manuals! (Although, they do have a french menu option). I know, that technically makes them illegal for sale in Canada, such a stupid rule.

Probably trying to verify that they came from Canada... much more likely. No french manuals would suggest that they were never intended for sale in Canada, making it likely that you had picked them up in the USA.


They wanted to confiscate them (Probably more like keep them for themselves like the Canadian prisons that had DirecTV at the time!)

wtf? lol. I'm sure this was their motivation. :rolleyes:


but I ended up getting to keep them because I had already labelled the box for shipping to someone in the US, so they were for "export only", which meant the labelling requirements didn't matter.

Umm yeah, what you wrote on the box is irrelevant.


I did get to spend an hour or two sitting around a desolate border station, though!

Lucky I did that, because without the label, I'd have probably got the pleasure of being on that "bad boy" list and having the damn things confiscated for no (good) reason.

Hopefully, when I go over this time they won't be a pain in the ass again. We will see... I always declare everything that has to be declared, so it'll be their time wasted. I'll just remember to bring something to eat/drink with me.

Have fun :rolleyes:

[shepd]

Probably trying to verify that they came from Canada... much more likely. No french manuals would suggest that they were never intended for sale in Canada, making it likely that you had picked them up in the USA.

Now that makes a bit more sense, and I suppose that explains why they wanted to call our wholesaler. But they didn't say anything about that to me, they simply were pissed off due to the lack of french manuals.



wtf? lol. I'm sure this was their motivation. :rolleyes:

Hey, it's a joke, lighten up! But at the time it was common knowledge (as in published in newspapers) that many prisons in Canada had hacked DirecTV receivers.



Umm yeah, what you wrote on the box is irrelevant.

Then, since the wholesaler was very closed at this time of night, why'd they let me go with them after I stressed this point?

It seems to me that if the CBSA felt that the issue was I had bought them in the US (Where I bought them at 10 pm on a Sunday, God only knows), and I was able to prove to their satisfaction they're going back over the border to the US, then there's no need to tax them. But, perhaps in the background they'd phoned the US border crossing and they managed to talk with the person that had let me in to verify my story, since I'd let him know about them.

[kinder_blue]

What's the SIMPLEST way for me to bring COMMERCIAL goods across the Border? Allow me to expand...

I have a Nexus (which may or may not be applicable) and love the convenience. About once a month I order about $10,000 in US-made electronic goods from the US. Right now I get them shipped to Ontario by UPS and pay the GST though not the PST since I'm exempt.

I have an address in Niagara Falls and find myself down there monthly as it is. I could save quite a bit in shipping if I have the goods delivered to NY but then how do I properly declare them?

I'd need to retain my PST exemption, and I presume that either the value or the commercial nature of the goods might require more than just pulling up to the Customs booth with my Nexus slip filled out.

Should I just stick with UPS to Ontario and let them handle it or can I do this properly and simply on my own during a day trip?

Thx

You have to fill out the appropriate forms and then come back through the commercial border crossing area. They will verify your forms and then possibly inspect your merchandise to see that you're bringing back what you've declared. Then you pay your duty (if applicable) and your GST and you're on your way. Once you get the hang of it it's fairly easy. Finding the correct customs tariff codes for the forms is the most time consuming part, particularly if you have a lot of different types of items. If you have a large quantity of 1 or 2 items it's much easier. Oh and you need the original commercial invoice as well as your importer number (which you get from Revenue Canada - it's generally the same as your GST number but has a different set of letters at the end).

[CustomsExpert]

I'm an officer, a minority of officers still charge duty, most don't. Certain crossings are more likely to charge it. I'm surprised you never paid it years ago, revenue used to be the primary focus at the border.



No commercial goods in Nexus period. You can either prepare your own B3 entry or use a broker. Doing the B3 is not hard but you take liability for errors made and can be fined for something as simple as a keying error, and fines start at $100. How much shipping are you talking about saving?

Actually, you are 100% liable even if the B3 is prepared by a broker.

[CustomsExpert]

You have to fill out the appropriate forms and then come back through the commercial border crossing area. They will verify your forms and then possibly inspect your merchandise to see that you're bringing back what you've declared. Then you pay your duty (if applicable) and your GST and you're on your way. Once you get the hang of it it's fairly easy. Finding the correct customs tariff codes for the forms is the most time consuming part, particularly if you have a lot of different types of items. If you have a large quantity of 1 or 2 items it's much easier. Oh and you need the original commercial invoice as well as your importer number (which you get from Revenue Canada - it's generally the same as your GST number but has a different set of letters at the end).

That's a good summary of what would happen at the border indeed. You can get your import/export account activated by calling CRA at 1-800-959-5525.

As for the as for figuring out the tariff classification codes (SH Codes), it can definitely be a problem. There are several tools available to help with the search and prepare yourself in advance before crossing the border...

[rommelrommel]

Actually, you are 100% liable even if the B3 is prepared by a broker.

:rolleyes: I didn't say you weren't. And around here at least, brokers won't prepare B3's. And, if they make a mistake they usually pay the penalty on your behalf. I was just saying the broker is much less likely than a first time importer to make a mistake.

[CustomsExpert]

:rolleyes: I didn't say you weren't. And around here at least, brokers won't prepare B3's. And, if they make a mistake they usually pay the penalty on your behalf. I was just saying the broker is much less likely than a first time importer to make a mistake.

That's true!

[syuzh]

For #5, it says US tax is part of the cost. How about shipping charges? Would that be included as part of the cost?

[CustomsExpert]

For #5, it says US tax is part of the cost. How about shipping charges? Would that be included as part of the cost?

In theory, shipping charges shouldn't be included in the value for duty if you are getting it shipped directly to yourself in Canada. However, if you are getting it shipped to a location next to the border and go get it yourself and cross the border, you should pay the duty and taxes on the shipping as well.

However, in practice, many border agents don't know that rule and simply never apply it.

[shepd]

Most times, the border agents are helpful about B3 forms. I've filled them out before, and if there's a mistake, they will usually just have you correct it. Then again, I had a border agent once tell me I did a better job with the B3 than the brokers do. :)

I think you'd have to out and out lie on the form (evade taxes) before you'd be fined.

[dealzuser]

Can anyone help me with this? (Ebola, it would be great if you can shed some light on this question...)

I bought some auto parts from Amazon, which I ended up returning. I paid $25 in taxes (PST+GST) when crossing the border. Can I somehow get this money back? I have proof that Amazon received the items and refunded my money.

My friend bought a TV from Costco USA, and he returned it in Canada cuz it was smaller than he expected. He got dinged LARGE (DUTY+GST+PST). I wonder also if there is anything he can do to claim back the duty/taxes he paid...

Thanks for anyone's insight in advance.

[CustomsExpert]

Can anyone help me with this? (Ebola, it would be great if you can shed some light on this question...)

I bought some auto parts from Amazon, which I ended up returning. I paid $25 in taxes (PST+GST) when crossing the border. Can I somehow get this money back? I have proof that Amazon received the items and refunded my money.

My friend bought a TV from Costco USA, and he returned it in Canada cuz it was smaller than he expected. He got dinged LARGE (DUTY+GST+PST). I wonder also if there is anything he can do to claim back the duty/taxes he paid...

Thanks for anyone's insight in advance.


Hello there,

I have extensive experience in the field, so I can definitely answer your question! In order to request an adjustment of the duty and taxes that you (or your friend) paid, you have to send a B2G form.

The form is located at:

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/E/pbg/cf/b2g/b2g-07b.pdf

A few tips:
1) make sure you send it to the right address. At the bottom of the form, there are a bunch of different address, you have to select the one that matches your postal code.
2) make sure you provide a proof that you paid the duty/taxes in the first place. Obviously, if you don't present any CBSA receipt, how will they know that you paid anything in the first place...
3) make sure you include a proof that the item was sent back to the company and that it was reimbursed. Proof of shipping, copy of emails between the vendor and you, and possibly a partial copy of your bank/credit card statement showing that the amount was reimbursed.
4) Write a quick letter explaining the situation (ie: received it, wasn't what I expected, returned it, I want my GST/PST/Duty).

Put all these documents in an envelope and mail it to the address determined in step #1.

Cheers!

[Pavel]

How does it work again if the CSB agent let you go without having to pay taxes and you have to return the item back to the USA via US mail?

[CustomsExpert]

How does it work again if the CSB agent let you go without having to pay taxes and you have to return the item back to the USA via US mail?


Well as far as you are concerned, there is nothing special to do. You can't get reimbursed because you didn't pay any duty/taxes.

So all you have to do is send the item by mail. When you go to the post office, they’ll ask you to fill out the small customs sticker that goes on the package. That sticker is used by USPS agents (us mail) to determine what's in the package and the value for duty. Then the duty/taxes that the American receiving your item will have to pay will be determined accordingly. Since it is an item that is being returned to the US, simply put “US GOOD RETURNING TO THE US – original value $X” (replace X with the actual market value of the goods). So the person receiving the goods in the US won’t have to pay any duty/taxes.

[Ebola]

Well as far as you are concerned, there is nothing special to do. You can't get reimbursed because you didn't pay any duty/taxes.

So all you have to do is send the item by mail. When you go to the post office, they’ll ask you to fill out the small customs sticker that goes on the package. That sticker is used by USPS agents (us mail) to determine what's in the package and the value for duty. Then the duty/taxes that the American receiving your item will have to pay will be determined accordingly. Since it is an item that is being returned to the US, simply put “US GOOD RETURNING TO THE US – original value $X” (replace X with the actual market value of the goods). So the person receiving the goods in the US won’t have to pay any duty/taxes.


So.. are you a Customs Broker then? Just so people know who in general is answering questions.

[CustomsExpert]

So.. are you a Customs Broker then? Just so people know who in general is answering questions.

Hello Ebola!

I am a Customs Consultant.

[Pavel]

Well as far as you are concerned, there is nothing special to do. You can't get reimbursed because you didn't pay any duty/taxes.

So all you have to do is send the item by mail. When you go to the post office, they’ll ask you to fill out the small customs sticker that goes on the package. That sticker is used by USPS agents (us mail) to determine what's in the package and the value for duty. Then the duty/taxes that the American receiving your item will have to pay will be determined accordingly. Since it is an item that is being returned to the US, simply put “US GOOD RETURNING TO THE US – original value $X” (replace X with the actual market value of the goods). So the person receiving the goods in the US won’t have to pay any duty/taxes.

I should clarify, the person in the US is a Candian resident who has the item shipped to a mail box and will be bringing it back to Canada by car. Therefore, if I infer or read between the lines on what you wrote, you have to declare the goods when you're bringit back and it'll be subject to taxes and maybe duty despite not having to pay taxes or duty because you were waived through previously. Is that correct?

In another scenario, if you had the item shipped to an outlet in the US and you've had to pay taxes or duty on it when you brought it into Canada and now the item has to be be returned to the US for replacement or repair, will you be subject to taxes and duty again when you bring it across to Canada?

[CustomsExpert]

I should clarify, the person in the US is a Candian resident who has the item shipped to a mail box and will be bringing it back to Canada by car. Therefore, if I infer or read between the lines on what you wrote, you have to declare the goods when you're bringit back and it'll be subject to taxes and maybe duty despite not having to pay taxes or duty because you were waived through previously. Is that correct?

In another scenario, if you had the item shipped to an outlet in the US and you've had to pay taxes or duty on it when you brought it into Canada and now the item has to be be returned to the US for replacement or repair, will you be subject to taxes and duty again when you bring it across to Canada?

Not sure I understand your first scenario very well, but basically, if you get your item shipped to a mailbox next to the border (still in the US) and then go and get it yourself, when you cross the border, you'll have to pay the duty/taxes on it anyway. Usually, ppl do that only when shippers in the States refuse to sell to non-US residents.

As for your second scenario:
1) you pay duty/taxes when you bring the goods in the country

2) If they are broken, you return them, send in your B2G form to claim the duty and taxes on it. Along with the B2G form, you will submit a proof that you paid the duty/taxes in the first place, proof that the item was reimbursed to you or replaced, proof that you sent the item to the US.

3) On the replacement item, you'll have to pay the duty/taxes.

[Pavel]

Ok, I see where the confusion lies in the posts. It's not accurate to assume that everyone will pay taxes and duty unless their importing for business purposes. One is always subject to paying tax and duty on most items, but CBSA sometimes waives people through even when declaring items that normally would be subject to tax and or duty. It sounds like you're more familiar with commercial importation not importing goods for personal use.

Again, if I understand your interpretation. No matter what the scenario, whether you get waived through withOUT paying any taxes or not, if you have to return the item back to the US for replacment OR repair that was purchased in the US (this would also apply if the item was covered through your personal exemption, say a 7 day stay or more) you will be subject to taxes and duty on the repaired or replaced item? Is this correct? I know Ebola would know the correct answer to this as he deals with these scenarios on day to day basis.

Finally, an important fact that wasn't mentioned in your posts is that if the item was being sent to the US to be merely repaired, you would then drop by your local Border before mailing and compete the green card and get it stamped indicating the serial number and item of the product, proving that it originated from Canada. That way, if you get questioned on the way back you have your green card already stamped by a CBSA agent. You won't be subject to paying taxes or duty on the item.

[CustomsExpert]

Again, if I understand your interpretation. No matter what the scenario, whether you get waived through withOUT paying any taxes or not, if you have to return the item back to the US for replacment OR repair that was purchased in the US (this would also apply if the item was covered through your personal exemption, say a 7 day stay or more) you will be subject to taxes and duty on the repaired or replaced item? Is this correct? I know Ebola would know the correct answer to this as he deals with these scenarios on day to day basis.


1) if you didn't pay duty/taxes (whether it was because it fell under your personal exemption or because they simply let you through because they felt like it), obviously you can't get the duty/taxes refunded.

2) If you sent the item by mail back to the US to get a refund, you have to use a B2G form to get a refund on the duty/taxes.

3) If you sent the item by mail to be replaced and you are bringing it back yourself across the border, you have to pay the duty and taxes (if they charge it) and get your duty/taxes back with a B2G form. (if they didn't charge you the second time, then you can still get your money back on the first transaction! :))

4) If you sent the item by mail to be replaced and you are receiving a new one by mail, you have to pay the duty and taxes and get your duty/taxes (on the original transaction) back with a B2G form.

5) If you sent the item by mail to be REPAIRED, you can go to the local office to get a proof of ownership or temporary export. Usually, you can get a Y38 - Identification of Articles for Temporary Exportation (known as a green card like you mentioned, see d2-6-5). The Y38 will only allow you to avoid paying the taxes if you bring the item yourself across the border. If you are receiving the item by mail after it was repaired, you will still have to pay the duty/taxes again and then apply for a refund with a B2G (and the Y38 or any other supporting document to support your claim).

That said, it feels like you already knew the answer to your own question ;)

[CustomsExpert]

Again, if I understand your interpretation. No matter what the scenario, whether you get waived through withOUT paying any taxes or not, if you have to return the item back to the US for replacment OR repair that was purchased in the US (this would also apply if the item was covered through your personal exemption, say a 7 day stay or more) you will be subject to taxes and duty on the repaired or replaced item? Is this correct? I know Ebola would know the correct answer to this as he deals with these scenarios on day to day basis.


I read your question again and hmm I think we will need Ebola's confirmation on that one..

If you didn't pay duty/taxes in the first place because it fell under your personal exemption and then you get the goods repaired in the US, the Y38 should be sufficient at the border to get these goods across the border duty/tax free (is that correct Ebola?)...

If you are getting the item sent back by mail to you, then the Y38 won't help you... you didn't pay duty/taxes in the first place, so you can't get reimbursed on the original transaction and technically, you can't get a refund on the second transaction either, so you would end up paying duty/taxes on these goods even though you originally brought them in the country duty/tax free under your personal exemption...

[rommelrommel]

If the item fell under a personal exemption you could get a Y38 prior to export and that would could cover you on the way back. If in person simply present it and explain, if by mail have the shipper mark the items appropriately (canadian goods returning, or warranty replacement)

If you just happened to be let go for whatever reason, then you are still liable for duties and taxes on reimport.

[Pavel]

The entire return/repair thing gets even more confusing if the item gets sent for repair and you've already completed the Y38 (green mini-card) only to find that the item could not be repaired but it's replaced once you open it up at the pickup location in the USA.

In some cases, the manufacturer will submit along with the replaced item a warranty slip that shows the original item with serial number along with the replacement and SN too. However, that's not always the case. I bet if it was the latter, you'd be subject to taxes and/or duty because you would have no proof (no Y38) that it was previously allowed under your personal exemption or that you were waived through by a CBSA.

[EPcjay]

Hey Guys,
When cross border shopping, use this guide as reference when bringing things from the US. It's a great guide, and you know what your expecting this for taxes and duty. It's an offical document from CBSA but it's not anywhere on their website.
Enjoy!

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/984/tariffguide.jpg (http://img38.imageshack.us/i/tariffguide.jpg/)

[Pavel]

I have the E604 attached to my Nexus TDC booklet. You can download it here: http://www.asfc.gc.ca/publications/forms-formulaires/e604-eng.pdf

[EPcjay]

I have the E604 attached to my Nexus TDC booklet. You can download it here: http://www.asfc.gc.ca/publications/forms-formulaires/e604-eng.pdf

Oh cool, how did you find this on the web? I tried and couldn't find it. Google doesn't even have E604 as a keyword...

[Davedigger]

I have a friend, who has purchased 3 cartons of smokes on the Canadian side, labelled "CANADA DUTY PAID". Can my friend bring them back to Canada, if they have only smoked ONE pack?

[perfchris]

Under what category do construction materials fall under ?

Gyproc
Cabinets
Toilets
etc

[Pavel]

Here's a slick little link that can help people out in determing the what category the item belongs to. Just so you're aware it's not always accurate: http://www.myborderpro.com/2006/

and for the most complete and accurate listing (big file, not so easy to search): http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/trade-commerce/tariff-tarif/2010/01-99/01-99-eng.pdf

[pinkcar]

So.. are you a Customs Broker then? Just so people know who in general is answering questions.

jealous...:cheesygri

[rommelrommel]

jealous...:cheesygri

Interesting first post :confused:

[ajadudu]

Sorry to bring this two month old thread back to life. I am planning to buy appliances from the US, if I buy them before July 1st will I pay only GST (5%) or has the HST already started being applied at the boarder from May 1st?

[1226]

Sorry to bring this two month old thread back to life. I am planning to buy appliances from the US, if I buy them before July 1st will I pay only GST (5%) or has the HST already started being applied at the boarder from May 1st?

Wouldn't appliances have both PST and GST on them anyways?

[ajadudu]

Looking at this link, looks like only only GST applies currently for NAFTA appliances, not 100% sure but that is what it looks like:

http://www.asfc.gc.ca/publications/forms-formulaires/e604-eng.pdf

Can anybody clarify this?

[macnut]

... Can anybody clarify this?

The 'X' means "you betcha".

They don't specify it in % because of the variation province to province.

It is the 'N/A' that means "not applicable".

No way are you going to be paying just GST at the border on appliances.

[ajadudu]

Thanks, then no need to rush down to buy before July 1st since I am dinged 13% whichever way.

[pinkcar]

No surprise here..LOL

"In principle, any alcohol taken must be destroyed. However, three reports published over the last 12 years have exposed some serious gaps in the management, storage and destruction of the roughly $400-million worth of goods seized by border guards every year.

The most recent inspection report from March 2009 found that bags full of drugs had been discovered in public dumps. The same publication found several warehouses for seized goods that had no inventory checks, no continuous surveillance by a security guard and inadequate access controls.

Half of all Canada Customs seizures involve of drugs, alcohol and tobacco. In her 2007 report, Auditor General Sheila Fraser noted the agency’s “poor control over the administration and handling of seized goods, such as alcohol and firearms.”

[xstatik]

No surprise here..LOL

"In principle, any alcohol taken must be destroyed. However, three reports published over the last 12 years have exposed some serious gaps in the management, storage and destruction of the roughly $400-million worth of goods seized by border guards every year.

The most recent inspection report from March 2009 found that bags full of drugs had been discovered in public dumps. The same publication found several warehouses for seized goods that had no inventory checks, no continuous surveillance by a security guard and inadequate access controls.

Half of all Canada Customs seizures involve of drugs, alcohol and tobacco. In her 2007 report, Auditor General Sheila Fraser noted the agency’s “poor control over the administration and handling of seized goods, such as alcohol and firearms.”

Here's a novel idea, allow regular, law-abiding citizens to bring more than one bottle of liquor when they return from vacation. They they will reduce the problem. It's all about protecting their business (LCBO Monopoly).

[scoop]

Here's a novel idea, allow regular, law-abiding citizens to bring more than one bottle of liquor when they return from vacation. They they will reduce the problem. It's all about protecting their business (LCBO Monopoly).

You can bring more then one bottle back with you. And assuming you are a regular, law abiding citizen you claim it and nothing is taken.

And I assume the seizure's mentioned in this article are from larger scale smuggling more so then personal use.

[Pavel]

I dont think you got xstatik's post. ;)

You can bring 5 bottles of alcohol and still be a law abiding citizen and pay a heckuva lot of duty and tax on your alcohol. You may even be waived but I wouldnt count on it. Increasing the maximum to 2 litres of alcohol or spirits would be welcome. If you bring more than your limit, you're putting yourself at risk for paying duty on it. As always, it's YMMV.

[scoop]

I dont think you got xstatik's post. ;)

You can bring 5 bottles of alcohol and still be a law abiding citizen and pay a heckuva lot of duty and tax on your alcohol. You may even be waived but I wouldnt count on it. Increasing the maximum to 2 litres of alcohol or spirits would be welcome. If you bring more than your limit, you're putting yourself at risk for paying duty on it. As always, it's YMMV.
oh - i got his point. he just didnt express it very well - since they do "allow" you to bring more then 1 bottle.

I guess you didnt get my point. ;)

[khalas101]

Hey, If im from Ottawa/canada and I ordered a lot of clothes and 1 watch (800$ total value)that were shipped to a US parcel holding house which is 45mins away, how much will I have to pay at the border in total fees?

[Phils]

This isn't quite a cross-border shopping question but it's closely related.

My mom had a chair in her house for at least 50 years. Prior to that it was her aunt's who lived to be over 100. The chair is clearly an antique. When my mom passed away, her sister (my aunt) who lives in New Jersey asked if she could have the chair and I as executor of the will said it was OK as long as I could get it back when she didn't need it anymore.

Well, her sister passed away this year and my cousin said she was holding the chair for me. So we're planning to drive down there and spend a bit of time vacationing in New York and New Jersey. We plan to come back with the chair.

The question is what do I have to do to bring it back across the border without incurring duty?

[brunes]

This isn't quite a cross-border shopping question but it's closely related.

My mom had a chair in her house for at least 50 years. Prior to that it was her aunt's who lived to be over 100. The chair is clearly an antique. When my mom passed away, her sister (my aunt) who lives in New Jersey asked if she could have the chair and I as executor of the will said it was OK as long as I could get it back when she didn't need it anymore.

Well, her sister passed away this year and my cousin said she was holding the chair for me. So we're planning to drive down there and spend a bit of time vacationing in New York and New Jersey. We plan to come back with the chair.

The question is what do I have to do to bring it back across the border without incurring duty?
When you first brought it down there you must have gotten some kind of documentation from the US border guards?

[Phils]

When you first brought it down there you must have gotten some kind of documentation from the US border guards?

I didn't bring it down. She came up for the funeral and she took it with her when she went home. This was in 2001 so I really don't have a lot of hope that the documentation still exists if it ever did.

What I do have is pictures with my mom where the chair is in the picture. I also have her expired passport to prove a connection. However, if I were a CBA officer, I might think that the pictures could have been taken anywhere - not necessarily in her house.

[macnut]

Just write out a declaration that the chair is a Canadian family heirloom,
that you are the owner from 2001 through succession
(legal documents available to CBSA on request)
and that it has be on loan in the U.S. since 2001.
Have it signed by the other family member, and with your signature, it should suffice.

You may not even need to show it, but it might be wise to have the piece of paper anyway for some future purpose.

[macnut]

Hey, If im from Ottawa/canada and I ordered a lot of clothes and 1 watch (800$ total value)that were shipped to a US parcel holding house which is 45mins away, how much will I have to pay at the border in total fees?

The only "fees" that you will pay are whatever the package receiving business charges .
For example, 6 packages @ $3USD per pakage = $18USD.

At the border you will be paying only the duty and tax appropriate to the items you have purchased, not "fees".

Figure about $100 in tax plus maybe as much as $50 in duty.
Impossible to really estimate the duty as it depends on where the clothing was made.
Duty can be fairly high on clothing, such as 17%.

[andreschen]

What exactly is the intended use of Form E24, Personal Exemption CBSA Declaration?

Example: If I go to Vegas for over a week, and while I am there I order some stuff from Amazon.com to my US mailbox in Buffalo, can I declare them on an E24 upon my return from Vegas to YYZ to get the $750 exemption and then go pick up the merchandise on a subsequent day trip (within 40 days) and be exempt from the GST/PST?

I know this is old, but I wanted to add something in regards to E24. I bought a TV while I was in San Diego last February and I had it shipped to a warehouse close to the border in Lacolle. I wansn't able to find any company to pick it up until a few weeks ago, so I called CBSA and was told that I have 40 days from the time I am being informed of the goods' arrival at the border. I also found this link that proves it (see section 26)

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/dm-md/d2/d2-3-1-eng.pdf

[DLFB]

The only "fees" that you will pay are whatever the package receiving business charges .
For example, 6 packages @ $3USD per pakage = $18USD.

At the border you will be paying only the duty and tax appropriate to the items you have purchased, not "fees".

Figure about $100 in tax plus maybe as much as $50 in duty.
Impossible to really estimate the duty as it depends on where the clothing was made.
Duty can be fairly high on clothing, such as 17%.

- unless you can present a certificate of origin for those clothes you're paying 18% (duty for most clothing articles)

[emmjaibi]

I know this is old, but I wanted to add something in regards to E24. I bought a TV while I was in San Diego last February and I had it shipped to a warehouse close to the border in Lacolle. I wansn't able to find any company to pick it up until a few weeks ago, so I called CBSA and was told that I have 40 days from the time I am being informed of the goods' arrival at the border. I also found this link that proves it (see section 26)

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/dm-md/d2/d2-3-1-eng.pdf

So I looked at that publication and all over the CBSA site but cannot find an answer for this theoretical scenario which seems to be a possibly lucrative loophole:

Say I will be traveling out of the country for more than 7 days to country X. In the meantime, I have decided to purchase some goods online from a company who will ship directly to my home in Canada from a different country, country Y.

If I never travel to country Y (even pass through it on a connection) on my specific trip, can I still claim my $750 personal exemption using form E24 after declaring 'unaccompanied goods' on form E311 on the items shipped directly from country Y or can I only claim for items which are shipped from country X where I physically traveled to?

What makes this even more interesting/confusing is if the goods that would be purchased originate (i.e. are manufactured) in other countries all together (i.e. not country Y or X).

Based on my reading of the guidelines, etc., I cannot see any specific restriction that unaccompanied goods must be purchased in or shipped from a country that the claimant was physically traveling in, but I would really like to hear others' opinions/experience on this as it could be a potential excellent way for one to maximize their personal exemption benefits if they travel a lot to countries with nothing really worth bringing home but have other goods they wanted to buy from overseas.

[Pavel]

The media over the last few weeks has inundated everyone how in Washington State we (shouldn't) necessarily be paying tax as a BC resident (like Alberta) effective July 1, 2010 when the HST kicks in. The border line-ups will be insane as everyone will be going south to buy things. But, as a reminder, make no mistake, CBSA will not be so lenient when crossing back and you'll be going in to pay the HST on the goods where applicable whereas in the past, you may have been waived through.

[st7860]

mail your stuff back as a gift.

[bjor]

been shopping to the states 3-4 times, blew way over the limit for sure each time. Never declared anything. Never been caught. can't catch me. As long as you do not look like a criminal and can answer the guards at the border quickly you will be fine. :twisted:

[Davedigger]

been shopping to the states 3-4 times, blew way over the limit for sure each time. Never declared anything. Never been caught. can't catch me. As long as you do not look like a criminal and can answer the guards at the border quickly you will be fine. :twisted:

Yeah, you can usually do the same thing even if you declare. I prefer to retain the privledge of crossing the border rather than saving very few $... Just me. <shrug>

[macnut]

... Never been caught. can't catch me.

Rommel or Ebola will get you one day,

and Judge Judy will tell you in no uncertain terms that your moral compass needs calibrating.

[willietheshakes]

been shopping to the states 3-4 times, blew way over the limit for sure each time. Never declared anything. Never been caught. can't catch me. As long as you do not look like a criminal and can answer the guards at the border quickly you will be fine. :twisted:

Wow, you shopped in the US 3 or 4 times?

You're a bad-ass!

[g18]

been shopping to the states 3-4 times, blew way over the limit for sure each time. Never declared anything. Never been caught. can't catch me. As long as you do not look like a criminal and can answer the guards at the border quickly you will be fine. :twisted:

Honesty is still the best policy......we always have most receipts and pretty much prepare to pay our taxes. Most times, we get waved through :)

[rommelrommel]

So I looked at that publication and all over the CBSA site but cannot find an answer for this theoretical scenario which seems to be a possibly lucrative loophole:

Say I will be traveling out of the country for more than 7 days to country X. In the meantime, I have decided to purchase some goods online from a company who will ship directly to my home in Canada from a different country, country Y.

If I never travel to country Y (even pass through it on a connection) on my specific trip, can I still claim my $750 personal exemption using form E24 after declaring 'unaccompanied goods' on form E311 on the items shipped directly from country Y or can I only claim for items which are shipped from country X where I physically traveled to?

What makes this even more interesting/confusing is if the goods that would be purchased originate (i.e. are manufactured) in other countries all together (i.e. not country Y or X).

Based on my reading of the guidelines, etc., I cannot see any specific restriction that unaccompanied goods must be purchased in or shipped from a country that the claimant was physically traveling in, but I would really like to hear others' opinions/experience on this as it could be a potential excellent way for one to maximize their personal exemption benefits if they travel a lot to countries with nothing really worth bringing home but have other goods they wanted to buy from overseas.

Country of manufacture does not matter. As long as they are purchased while you are abroad I can't see a problem although an officer could balk at you abusing the E24.


The media over the last few weeks has inundated everyone how in Washington State we (shouldn't) necessarily be paying tax as a BC resident (like Alberta) effective July 1, 2010 when the HST kicks in. The border line-ups will be insane as everyone will be going south to buy things. But, as a reminder, make no mistake, CBSA will not be so lenient when crossing back and you'll be going in to pay the HST on the goods where applicable whereas in the past, you may have been waived through.

What makes you think that?


mail your stuff back as a gift.

I doubt the $60 gift exemption is going to make it worth it unless you lie about the value too. :confused:

[angui]

What exactly is the intended use of Form E24, Personal Exemption CBSA Declaration?

Example: If I go to Vegas for over a week, and while I am there I order some stuff from Amazon.com to my US mailbox in Buffalo, can I declare them on an E24 upon my return from Vegas to YYZ to get the $750 exemption and then go pick up the merchandise on a subsequent day trip (within 40 days) and be exempt from the GST/PST?

so did you get your exemption and did you use nexus with that?

[mc_molineux]

Something I (we) have been wondering about:

My girlfriend is a British citizen here in Canada. If she orders something (clothes) from the UK, her home country, does she have to pay duty on this? I imagine that it would be charged, since the customs at the mail facility won't know her citizenship, but can she apply for a reimbursement since she is from there in the first place and is just ordering goods from her home country?

Thanks to anyone who can help me out.

[macnut]

If she orders something (clothes) from the UK, her home country, does she have to pay duty on this? I imagine that it would be charged, since the customs at the mail facility won't know her citizenship, but can she apply for a reimbursement since she is from there in the first place and is just ordering goods from her home country?

Thanks to anyone who can help me out.

As she is your GF, she is presumably a Canadian resident, whether fleetingly, for an indeterminate amount of time, or forever.

This is all that matters in the context of duty payable. Citizenship does not enter into it.

And did you mean just duty and not taxes?

Many things are not dutiable, and even those that are often slip through,
or the rate is small compared to HST.

[AndyCorleone]

Hi, I have been trying to find for the Tariff code for a Panasonic AV receiver Made in Japan. I would like to buy it in the US. any help is really apreciated

[bignasty28]

Television

There are some great deals in the USA for TV's so we are thinking of heading over to Niagara Falls/Buffalo to pick one up. How exactly do I read this table: http://www.asfc.gc.ca/publications/forms-formulaires/e604-eng.pdf

TV's are category 4, so I should expect to pay 8% duty, AND 13% HST on this?

[1226]

Television

There are some great deals in the USA for TV's so we are thinking of heading over to Niagara Falls/Buffalo to pick one up. How exactly do I read this table: http://www.asfc.gc.ca/publications/forms-formulaires/e604-eng.pdf

TV's are category 4, so I should expect to pay 8% duty, AND 13% HST on this?

You'll pay the HST regardless. You'll also pay the 8% duty unless you can manage to find a TV made in the US, Canada, or Mexico.

[sixer]

been shopping to the states 3-4 times, blew way over the limit for sure each time. Never declared anything. Never been caught. can't catch me. As long as you do not look like a criminal and can answer the guards at the border quickly you will be fine. :twisted:

haha, suit yourself. Once your flagged, you will always be hassled and fully investigated every time you cross the border AND whenever your in an airport. You will be pulled aside, your luggage searched, and worse. They flag you for life and no way to get off.

By all means, keep doing it, what goes around comes around. You will have your day.

[mc_molineux]

Question:

If I go down to the U.S. and purchase event tickets for an American event that I will use on a later trip (ie I buy concert tickets in the U.S. in August for a show in the U.S. January), is that subject to duty when I come back to Canada in between? I would think not since the item has no use in Canada and will be returned to the U.S., but can anyone confirm this?

[guessaaa]

Question:

If I go down to the U.S. and purchase event tickets for an American event that I will use on a later trip (ie I buy concert tickets in the U.S. in August for a show in the U.S. January), is that subject to duty when I come back to Canada in between? I would think not since the item has no use in Canada and will be returned to the U.S., but can anyone confirm this?

Tickets are not a physical good. They are proof of purchase for a service.

[mc_molineux]

Tickets are not a physical good. They are proof of purchase for a service.

So the answer is "no duty or HST"?

[shepd]

So the answer is "no duty or HST"?

I imagine not as the "service" (which would be HST-able) takes place in the USA, and you bought it in the USA.

[crimsona]

haha, suit yourself. Once your flagged, you will always be hassled and fully investigated every time you cross the border AND whenever your in an airport. You will be pulled aside, your luggage searched, and worse. They flag you for life and no way to get off.

By all means, keep doing it, what goes around comes around. You will have your day.

I've been flagged since 2004, but I haven't been checked every time crossing the border by air, maybe 50/50. Initially I thought it would be every time since I had a few back to back to back, but not the last once or twice. Haven't crossed the border by road since though

[horsie]

been shopping to the states 3-4 times, blew way over the limit for sure each time. Never declared anything. Never been caught. can't catch me. As long as you do not look like a criminal and can answer the guards at the border quickly you will be fine. :twisted:

You do know they do random checks, you don't need to look like a criminal. But go ahead and try to cheat the system. Karma will get you. Honesty pays.

[nambisan]

been shopping to the states 3-4 times, blew way over the limit for sure each time. Never declared anything. Never been caught. can't catch me. As long as you do not look like a criminal and can answer the guards at the border quickly you will be fine. :twisted:

Can I have your pic. So that I will know how a non criminal will look..:)

[rommelrommel]

So the answer is "no duty or HST"?

No tax or duty. Same as gift cards.

[caliente]

From the Customs Tariffs Schedule, Chapter 49:


4901.99.00 - -Other
MFN tariff: Free
Applicable preferential tariffs: CCCT, LDCT, GPT, UST,MT, MUST, CIAT, CT, CRT: Free

Textbooks:........................................ .................................Unit of Measure
21 - - - - - -Elementary through secondary school..................... NMB
22 - - - - - -Post-secondary school .............................................NMB


What does this mean?
I read the stuff from the CBSA website and still do not understand.

Want to buy used textbooks in the states. (Say $500 worth). Likely printed in the States. I would likely buy them in the States than cross land border.

Do I have to pay:
(1) duties - how much?
(2) taxes - my understanding is the GST portion of the HST = 5%
(3) other fees?

[Customsinfo]

Books have no duty no matter where they come from. NMB means number. It's just unit of measure used for books.
The only thing you need to pay is sales tax depending on province of residence. Before HST in Ontario books were only charged GST.
Hope this helps

customs info

ps
I'm a customs officer

[caliente]

Books have no duty no matter where they come from. NMB means number. It's just unit of measure used for books.
The only thing you need to pay is sales tax depending on province of residence. Before HST in Ontario books were only charged GST.
Hope this helps

customs info

ps
I'm a customs officer

Thanks a lot for your quick reply. It's not easy going through the documents as a layperson!

[Stock R]

I've been cross-boarder shopping for approx 5 years now and have had no issues. I cross the boarder approximately every other week and all has been good. I declare everything and go inside to pay my share of GST/PST/HST.

Except I have been stopped the last 2 times and CBSA has searched my vehicle both times. The most recent time (Saturday), threw us particularly offguard as they sent 2 CBSA officers out to inspect the car with me while my wife stayed inside. They were both in a highly offensive/alert position, requiring me to empty all my pockets, pull up my pants and my shirt which has never happened before. Throughout the process, they gave me the impression that they were worried I would attack them. This is rather baffling to me as I'm a small and quiet guy. Coincidence with something going on at the border? I don't know.

So my questions:

1) If CBSA decides to search my car again the next time I cross (2 weeks), can I ask them why they are searching me and get a decent response? I realize they can tell me it's "random" but 3 car searches in 3 weeks seems rather frequent. I usually get checked about once a year. I'd like to get an honest answer to see if there's something specific that's triggering it.

2) I see no reason why I would be flagged in the system, but is there a way for me to find out if I'm flagged or not?

[bikeboy999]

How do you declare at a land crossing when you have purchased by a forum a second hand bike? I have purchased a bike and will be picking it up a week later. Do I get a receipt from the purchaser for the amount I paid or get one for less? Or do I show the agent a printout of the craiglist sale?

B

[rommelrommel]

1) If CBSA decides to search my car again the next time I cross (2 weeks), can I ask them why they are searching me and get a decent response? I realize they can tell me it's "random" but 3 car searches in 3 weeks seems rather frequent. I usually get checked about once a year. I'd like to get an honest answer to see if there's something specific that's triggering it.

2) I see no reason why I would be flagged in the system, but is there a way for me to find out if I'm flagged or not?

1) You can ask, but I doubt you'll get a answer that satisfies you.

2) FOI request may get you what you want.


How do you declare at a land crossing when you have purchased by a forum a second hand bike? I have purchased a bike and will be picking it up a week later. Do I get a receipt from the purchaser for the amount I paid or get one for less? Or do I show the agent a printout of the craiglist sale?

B

Getting one for less that you paid may lead to you having a seizure action taken against you. Craigslist ad + how you paid + receipt from the seller helps.

[MacGyver]

Went from Ottawa to Watertown two weekends ago just for the day with the family. Spent 45 minutes waiting at the 1000 Islands Bridge toll plaza due to lineups at the border station. Got some great deals at Salmon Run Mall, spent over $400. Decided to come back via Ogdensburg instead of 1000 Islands. I wasn't sure how the drive would be since you have to take NY state route 37 to get there instead of I81, but most of the highway was posted at 55 MPH with a few speed zones in towns and almost no traffic. Stopped at the WalMart in Ogdensburg, then ended up crossing the bridge there around 7pm on a Saturday - no lineups or traffic whatsoever. This also meant that everyone was getting stopped for taxes at the border crossing, but even paying those we still came out way ahead. Also the CBSA staff was annoyed with the mix of stuff we bought at WalMart because it meant they had to break it out on the receipt. :D Next time we will try buying everything at WalMart and see if we get waived through.

[Jucius Maximus]

1) If CBSA decides to search my car again the next time I cross (2 weeks), can I ask them why they are searching me and get a decent response? I realize they can tell me it's "random" but 3 car searches in 3 weeks seems rather frequent. I usually get checked about once a year. I'd like to get an honest answer to see if there's something specific that's triggering it.

2) I see no reason why I would be flagged in the system, but is there a way for me to find out if I'm flagged or not?

You never know what tips the CBSA received or what they are looking for. You could have fit some kind of "profile" that was updated recently that put them on alert.

[Stock R]

You never know what tips the CBSA received or what they are looking for. You could have fit some kind of "profile" that was updated recently that put them on alert.

Yeah, I'm just wondering if it happened to be coincidence they were on the look out for something twice in a row, or if they have something particular against me.

I mean, the first time the CBSA officer even said "Yeah, I recognize you guys and you're always honest and easy to work with".

Oh well. Going again this weekend. See if it happens 3 times in a row.

[yiujun]

1) You can ask, but I doubt you'll get a answer that satisfies you.

2) FOI request may get you what you want.



Getting one for less that you paid may lead to you having a seizure action taken against you. Craigslist ad + how you paid + receipt from the seller helps.

I have the same kind of question. I am bringing some used wheels and tires back from the states that I bought from a private seller. The seller helped me write up an invoice and I have a Paypal receipt of the transaction. I also have the seller's number that CBSA can contact if they want to. Do you think that is enough support?

[Cheap Cat]

Stopped at the WalMart in Ogdensburg, then ended up crossing the bridge there around 7pm on a Saturday - no lineups or traffic whatsoever. This also meant that everyone was getting stopped for taxes at the border crossing, but even paying those we still came out way ahead. Also the CBSA staff was annoyed with the mix of stuff we bought at WalMart because it meant they had to break it out on the receipt. :D Next time we will try buying everything at WalMart and see if we get waived through.

I don't think the line up determines whether you have to pay or not. I think it is more the dollar value. I always cross late at night because I hate lineups and waiting. Usually I drive right up to the booth. On my last two trips, I didn't buy as much as usual and got waved through.

To make things easier, I pay for my non-taxable items like groceries separate from my taxable items so that I can easily say what is taxable and what is not. This is particularly useful at stores like Walmart where you may have a mix of goods. I then usually declare something like, I am bringing back $200 worth of goods but $50 of it is groceries.

[apn64]

To make things easier, I pay for my non-taxable items like groceries separate from my taxable items so that I can easily say what is taxable and what is not. This is particularly useful at stores like Walmart where you may have a mix of goods. I then usually declare something like, I am bringing back $200 worth of goods but $50 of it is groceries.

Personally, I think that's a bad strategy. While it simplifies the math in your head, it may yield greater taxes paid because the crooks charge Cdn taxes on US sales taxes and even try to nail you on shipping fees, when no amount of merchandise acquires value by virtue of being moved from one place to another.

A few months ago I purchased a kids bike at WalMart. The bike was stuck in the middle of a long receipt for mostly non-taxable items. So they called me in, hoping to collect on the bike. Because the $200 item was in the middle of the receipt, I avoided paying GST (no PST bikes back then) on top of the NY sales tax. Sure it's a small amount, but I woefully resent every penny they take after I've already been raped with income taxes and sodomized with property taxes.

[guessaaa]

Personally, I think that's a bad strategy. While it simplifies the math in your head, it may yield greater taxes paid because the crooks charge Cdn taxes on US sales taxes and even try to nail you on shipping fees, when no amount of merchandise acquires value by virtue of being moved from one place to another.

You only get nailed on shipping fees when the seller includes it in their declaration as "Value of goods". CBSA doesn't check the receipt/invoice to see what makes up this value. I've already successfully appealed this several times.

[edvc520]

Anyone know how much tax exemption limit do I have if I cross the boarder by 11:00pm on Thursday, and come back to Canada crossing the boarder on Sunday 12:00am?
Thank you

[apn64]

You only get nailed on shipping fees when the seller includes it in their declaration as "Value of goods". CBSA doesn't check the receipt/invoice to see what makes up this value. I've already successfully appealed this several times.

Perhaps true for eBay, but try that with a receipt from Amazon or another commercial site. When I purchased a TV from Amazon, the crooks actually called-out the shipping charge, until I pointed out that it was negated further down the receipt as FREE shipping applied.


Anyone know how much tax exemption limit do I have if I cross the boarder by 11:00pm on Thursday, and come back to Canada crossing the boarder on Sunday 12:00am?
Thank you

Assuming these are Thu-Sun of the same week, only the 48hr, $400 (per person) exemption applies, subject to further communist-style limits on alcohol, tobacco, meat and dairy products.

The per person limits are;

- 24hrs $50
- 48hrs $400
- 7+ days $750

PS: It's a border ;)

[GTT1]

Off to Buffalo tomorrow for a day trip so no exemption I guess except for food stuff.

Wife will probably spend about $100.00 on clothes and I will spend about $30.00 on some shirts and a large 500 unit bottle of Ibuprofen. Latter is about $8.00 in US vs $20.00 here. We actually have specific items in mind so will be unlikely to spend more. Might buy some cheese if I see a bargain.

We will declare everything so what is best way to do this with the hope that they will just wave us through.

[Rockabilly]

I am right now in Europe and will be going back to Canada this week-end after a trip of 3 weeks. So I will have the $750 exemption... My question is does that include the alcohol or is this on top of the $750? Say I bought a watch that is worth $700 and two bottles of champagne totalling $200. That makes $900, will I need to pay taxes on $150 or is this fine? Also is champagne is in the wine category or liquor category?
Thanks.

[shepd]

Off to Buffalo tomorrow for a day trip so no exemption I guess except for food stuff.

Wife will probably spend about $100.00 on clothes and I will spend about $30.00 on some shirts and a large 500 unit bottle of Ibuprofen. Latter is about $8.00 in US vs $20.00 here. We actually have specific items in mind so will be unlikely to spend more. Might buy some cheese if I see a bargain.

We will declare everything so what is best way to do this with the hope that they will just wave us through.

Have all your receipts ready (literally, I'd hold on to them with the other hand when you give them your passports) and say you have about $x in headache remedy, $y in clothes. The about is important, then you don't need to sit there and add it all up perfectly beforehand unless they have you go in to pay. And the border guard will know it and might not want to waste his friend's time. :D

[shepd]

I am right now in Europe and will be going back to Canada this week-end after a trip of 3 weeks. So I will have the $750 exemption... My question is does that include the alcohol or is this on top of the $750? Say I bought a watch that is worth $700 and two bottles of champagne totalling $200. That makes $900, will I need to pay taxes on $150 or is this fine? Also is champagne is in the wine category or liquor category?
Thanks.

Champagne from anywhere else is normally called sparkling wine, so that should help you.

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5056-eng.html#s2x13

"
You are allowed to import only one of the following amounts of alcohol free of duty and taxes:

* 1.5 litres (53 imperial ounces) of wine;
* a total of 1.14 litres (40 ounces) of alcoholic beverages; or
* up to a maximum of 8.5 litres of beer or ale.
"

"If the value of the goods is more than your personal exemption, you will have to pay both duty and taxes, as well as provincial/territorial assessments."

Whatever you do, do not go over the limit, and remember, you may only import one type of booze, any other type (even if it were to be under the limit) will be taxed to the hilt.

[mr_raider]

For a large ticket item, is there a difference between crossing through one province or another in PST assessment. I am a QC resident but can cross the border in Ontario or QC on my way back.

[GTT1]

Have all your receipts ready (literally, I'd hold on to them with the other hand when you give them your passports) and say you have about $x in headache remedy, $y in clothes. The about is important, then you don't need to sit there and add it all up perfectly beforehand unless they have you go in to pay. And the border guard will know it and might not want to waste his friend's time. :D

Just got back so didn't see your post before we left.

Here is what occurred. Wife overspent as I figured she would so total was $262.00 US before tax.:razz:

Hit a lady agent at the Fort Erie crossing, wife said oh no as soon as we got to the front and she saw a women. Handed her the passports and held my receipts, 4 of them. Where are you from, how long, Blah ,Blah Blah. How much.

Me About $270.00 Canadian. Lady: What did you buy, then sees me holding the receipts and points to them and I hand them over. She thumbs through them for about 30 seconds hands them back. and says "Have a nice day"

Me: Big smile "Thank You":D

[GTT1]

For a large ticket item, is there a difference between crossing through one province or another in PST assessment. I am a QC resident but can cross the border in Ontario or QC on my way back.

Its going to be 13% HST if you cross back in Ontario. What is it in Quebec?

[yiujun]

Just got back so didn't see your post before we left.

Here is what occurred. Wife overspent as I figured she would so total was $262.00 US before tax.:razz:

Hit a lady agent at the Fort Erie crossing, wife said oh no as soon as we got to the front and she saw a women. Handed her the passports and held my receipts, 4 of them. Where are you from, how long, Blah ,Blah Blah. How much.

Me About $270.00 Canadian. Lady: What did you buy, then sees me holding the receipts and points to them and I hand them over. She thumbs through them for about 30 seconds hands them back. and says "Have a nice day"

Me: Big smile "Thank You":D

I don't think you have to be too worried, usually customs officers are quite lenient with small amounts like under $150 per person. :)

[mr_raider]

Its going to be 13% HST if you cross back in Ontario. What is it in Quebec?

5% GST + 7.5% QST applied sequentially (tax on tax!) for a nice total of 12.875%. That's a 20$ savings on 10k purchase. Of course, I'll loose that in tolls on I-87.

[Pavel]

I don't think you have to be too worried, usually customs officers are quite lenient with small amounts like under $150 per person. :)

They are starting too be, for sure. Of course, every now and then you have one who's having a bad day or is being difficult and will have you go inside or give you a hard time for under $50 even below $30.

On another note. Are nutritional supplements considered "vitamins"?

[Stock R]

For a large ticket item, is there a difference between crossing through one province or another in PST assessment. I am a QC resident but can cross the border in Ontario or QC on my way back.

No real difference as you are a QC resident. If you were an ON resident, then it would. QC doesn't collect PST (formerly) on behalf of ON.

I'm not sure how it applies now with HST.

[GTT1]

I don't think you have to be too worried, usually customs officers are quite lenient with small amounts like under $150 per person. :)

I doubt that you can count on that. They scan your passport on returning and I am sure there computer shows a history of leaving and entering and port of entry/departure. Judgment on whether to just waive you through may depend on other factors. Someone going back and forth every week or so may get scrutinized more than someone traveling occasionally.

So many unknowns, how you appear to the officer, what kind of day they are having, how busy is it.

When we returned every booth was open and it was about 15 minutes to get through, pretty quick I thought. Noticed that only about 3 cars were in the inspection stations.

Would be interesting if others would comment on how much they were allowed without filing or when requested to file.

[CSK'sMom]

I doubt that you can count on that. They scan your passport on returning and I am sure there computer shows a history of leaving and entering and port of entry/departure. Judgment on whether to just waive you through may depend on other factors. Someone going back and forth every week or so may get scrutinized more than someone traveling occasionally.

So many unknowns, how you appear to the officer, what kind of day they are having, how busy is it.

When we returned every booth was open and it was about 15 minutes to get through, pretty quick I thought. Noticed that only about 3 cars were in the inspection stations.

Would be interesting if others would comment on how much they were allowed without filing or when requested to file.

It's totally at the discretion of the officer at the booth. We cross several times a week for everything from shopping to playing hockey and football and we certainly don't feel we get scrutinized more because of it. We have a spotless record of crossing for over 40 years (yes, we've literally crossed all our lives. :) ). We've been waved through with over $1500US on a Black Friday, for example. We've been pulled over just 2 of the last 5 years on Black Fridays and we always spend about $1500US. Last year we were pulled but we spent more thanks to a new tv. We do groceries at least once a week on the US side and usually grab beer as well. We know from experience that they don't bother us with 30 cans or under. Over 30 cans and it's about a 50/50 chance of getting pulled over. The last time we got pulled over was in April for about $100US with 5 of us. The officers at secondary were more than a little pissed and called a supervisor out. It seems that a summer student was pulling everyone over and the supervisor walked over and pulled her out of the booth to "chat". :lol:

[everylittlecent]

do kids under 12 allowed exemptions. like if theyre in the US for 48 hrs can they also claim $400 worth of stuff. yes i am aware that they cant claim alcohol or tobacco but for general merchandize.

thanks

[guessaaa]

do kids under 12 allowed exemptions. like if theyre in the US for 48 hrs can they also claim $400 worth of stuff. yes i am aware that they cant claim alcohol or tobacco but for general merchandize.

thanks

Yes they can claim exemptions as well.


I doubt that you can count on that. They scan your passport on returning and I am sure there computer shows a history of leaving and entering and port of entry/departure. Judgment on whether to just waive you through may depend on other factors. Someone going back and forth every week or so may get scrutinized more than someone traveling occasionally.

So many unknowns, how you appear to the officer, what kind of day they are having, how busy is it.

When we returned every booth was open and it was about 15 minutes to get through, pretty quick I thought. Noticed that only about 3 cars were in the inspection stations.

Would be interesting if others would comment on how much they were allowed without filing or when requested to file.

Canada doesn't keep track of who leaves the country. Though I think they should like they do in Europe and probably most other countries.

[GTT1]

Canada doesn't keep track of who leaves the country. Though I think they should like they do in Europe and probably most other countries.

Sorry I really meant that they can see your returns into Canada and probably if a declaration was made how much and such.

I agree that when you leave it would be good for them to have record as to where you are going and how long, especially with the problems we are now seeing. Privacy concerns will prevent this from ever happening IMO.

[yiujun]

I doubt that you can count on that. They scan your passport on returning and I am sure there computer shows a history of leaving and entering and port of entry/departure. Judgment on whether to just waive you through may depend on other factors. Someone going back and forth every week or so may get scrutinized more than someone traveling occasionally.

So many unknowns, how you appear to the officer, what kind of day they are having, how busy is it.

When we returned every booth was open and it was about 15 minutes to get through, pretty quick I thought. Noticed that only about 3 cars were in the inspection stations.

Would be interesting if others would comment on how much they were allowed without filing or when requested to file.

Guess it's different depending on the border. I live in Vnacouver and use the Peace Arch Crossing everytime. Usually to go back it's around a 15 min wait. I've never been asked to pay duties out of the 20 odd times that I've went to and from for the past 3 years. I usualy report $300 for 2 people, or $150 for each person. The interview is usually 3 questions long with 2 word replies. Then it's have a good day and we're off! :D

[laughing_budha]

what fruits are allowed to bring into Canada from US? Last time we asked the border guy he said something like (I am not sure tho) "fruits without cores or seeds". I suggest we can make a list of what is allowed and what is not. Others can add on to the list. For example:

Allowed: All seedless (seedless grapes, banana, berries)
Not Allowed: All seeded (Apple, mango, peach, cherry )

[GTT1]

It's totally at the discretion of the officer at the booth. We cross several times a week for everything from shopping to playing hockey and football and we certainly don't feel we get scrutinized more because of it. We have a spotless record of crossing for over 40 years (yes, we've literally crossed all our lives. :) ). We've been waved through with over $1500US on a Black Friday, for example. We've been pulled over just 2 of the last 5 years on Black Fridays and we always spend about $1500US. Last year we were pulled but we spent more thanks to a new tv. We do groceries at least once a week on the US side and usually grab beer as well. We know from experience that they don't bother us with 30 cans or under. Over 30 cans and it's about a 50/50 chance of getting pulled over. The last time we got pulled over was in April for about $100US with 5 of us. The officers at secondary were more than a little pissed and called a supervisor out. It seems that a summer student was pulling everyone over and the supervisor walked over and pulled her out of the booth to "chat". :lol:

No way do I let my wife read this post. We would be at the US malls every frigin week. :lol:

[crimsona]

Crossing Point Roberts, I'm 2 for 2 in getting checked.

Not that there's much else to do in PR other than golf and pick up packages

[doberman_baby]

Crossing Point Roberts, I'm 2 for 2 in getting checked.

Not that there's much else to do in PR other than golf and pick up packages

I have gone at least 1/2 dozen times the last 3 months and no checks. Everything was declared and just cleared. Depends on the CBSA agent.

[yiujun]

Crossing Point Roberts, I'm 2 for 2 in getting checked.

Not that there's much else to do in PR other than golf and pick up packages

i was there once, i paid over $80 for duties on my snow boot and snow pants. never going again. someone in front of me was paying $5 of duties and taxes. those people there are really bored and don't get much visitors.. so they tax you on EVERYTHING. they made me pay 18% of duties on top of GST+PST.. peace arch just assumes everything is made in USA and charges 0 duties. i recommend you go to blaine instead of pt roberts...

[CSK'sMom]

what fruits are allowed to bring into Canada from US? Last time we asked the border guy he said something like (I am not sure tho) "fruits without cores or seeds". I suggest we can make a list of what is allowed and what is not. Others can add on to the list. For example:

Allowed: All seedless (seedless grapes, banana, berries)
Not Allowed: All seeded (Apple, mango, peach, cherry )

Here's a good page that has all the regulations compiled in one place. It's still a hit and miss though. For example, even though there are limits on things like dairy, our experience is most BSO's don't care to enforce it. The only thing we've ever encountered enforcement on is turkeys and only around American Thanksgiving (dirt cheap and everyone goes and grabs a couple to freeze ;) )....
http://www.crossbordershopping.ca/content/view/bringing-food-plant-animal-products-into-canada-12/


No way do I let my wife read this post. We would be at the US malls every frigin week. :lol:

LOL! And that's a bad thing why? Everything is cheaper, better selection, etc. Hubby and I have a standing date for Black Friday and have for years. He takes the day off work and we're on the bridge by about 3:30/4am to stand in line. It's my job to hit the BF websites for all the leaked ads and to make the game plan for the day. Our aim is to get the vast majority of our Christmas shopping done that day, not always an easy feat with a 21, 19 and 15 yr old. But we do it and always have a blast. :D

[rommelrommel]

You only get nailed on shipping fees when the seller includes it in their declaration as "Value of goods". CBSA doesn't check the receipt/invoice to see what makes up this value. I've already successfully appealed this several times.

Shipping actually (generaly) is taxable although it's rarely charged.

[rommelrommel]

what fruits are allowed to bring into Canada from US? Last time we asked the border guy he said something like (I am not sure tho) "fruits without cores or seeds". I suggest we can make a list of what is allowed and what is not. Others can add on to the list. For example:

Allowed: All seedless (seedless grapes, banana, berries)
Not Allowed: All seeded (Apple, mango, peach, cherry )

This is variable by province and changes so that isn't a helpful idea, no offense.

[DLFB]

i was there once, i paid over $80 for duties on my snow boot and snow pants. never going again. someone in front of me was paying $5 of duties and taxes. those people there are really bored and don't get much visitors.. so they tax you on EVERYTHING. they made me pay 18% of duties on top of GST+PST.. peace arch just assumes everything is made in USA and charges 0 duties. i recommend you go to blaine instead of pt roberts...

By that attitude, I hope they search and make you pay duties for the rest of your life. AFTER ALL, YOUR A CANADIAN CITIZEN.

and no, peace arch does not assume everything is made in the USA.

tonto.

[guessaaa]

Shipping actually (generaly) is taxable although it's rarely charged.

Shipping is not a good. The criteria is "Value of Goods" not "Value of Goods and Services".

[Davedigger]

what fruits are allowed to bring into Canada from US? Last time we asked the border guy he said something like (I am not sure tho) "fruits without cores or seeds". I suggest we can make a list of what is allowed and what is not. Others can add on to the list. For example:

Allowed: All seedless (seedless grapes, banana, berries)
Not Allowed: All seeded (Apple, mango, peach, cherry )

I would think not all berries would be allowed. i.e. raspberries, blackberries, strawberries - they all have tiny little seeds.

[laughing_budha]

This is variable by province and changes so that isn't a helpful idea, no offense.

Non taken. If that is the case, I would be interested in what fruits are allowed in BC. Seriously, I think there is no harm in having a separate thread for this. So many times, I have seen very nice fruits across (price is not the only criteria, sometimes you just love the quality) - but I dont bring them because of the uncertainty associated with whether I am allowed across or not.

[macnut]

... interested in what fruits are allowed in BC. Seriously, I think there is no harm in having a separate thread for this.

Most of the markets/grocery stores near the border that I use have that info. available for Canadian customers.
By way of signs attached to the individual dipslays of fruit, veg., etc.
If the stores you go to don't have this, try encouraging them to do so.

Because the restrictions vary over time, even within the growing season, a separate thread here would quickly get out-of-date and misleading.
The onus should be on the distributors and retailers to disseminate this info. - they are the ones closest to the fruit growing industry on boths sides of the border.
Canada Customs is just enforcing those 3rd. party restrictions that vary by time and geographically.

[rommelrommel]

Shipping is not a good. The criteria is "Value of Goods" not "Value of Goods and Services".

Sigh... I'm not just spouting things out of my ass. Valuation is a huge topic and it's very difficult to boil it down to three words.

Paragraph 48(5)(a) of the Customs Act requires that amounts for certain charges and the value of certain goods and services, if not already included in the price paid or payable for the imported goods, must be added to the price paid or payable. These charges and values are identified in Memorandum D13-4-7, Adjustments to the Price Paid or Payable (Customs Act, Section 48) and can include amounts for the following:

[snip]

◦transportation costs and insurance costs to the place of direct shipment to Canada - see Memoranda D13-3-3, Transportation and Associated Costs (Customs Act, Sections 48 to 54), and D13-3-4, Place of Direct Shipment (Customs Act, Sections 48 to 54).

To generalize, if the movement of the goods has stopped (delivered to your US address, US post office box, etc) and then you pick them up and move them to Canada from there, the charges for the prior movement (shipping fees) can be considered part of the price paid.

But, as I said before, this is rarely applied in the context of a personal importation of goods. Usually when I've seen it used is in the case of ebay auctions that are Buy It Now for far less than the usual ebay price, yet have excessive shipping fees. Usually the seller is just avoiding ebay fees but it also benefits the buyer.

[rommelrommel]

Non taken. If that is the case, I would be interested in what fruits are allowed in BC. Seriously, I think there is no harm in having a separate thread for this. So many times, I have seen very nice fruits across (price is not the only criteria, sometimes you just love the quality) - but I dont bring them because of the uncertainty associated with whether I am allowed across or not.

Also most of the crossings keep a list available in the office that is up to date, all you need to do is stop on the way down. Or look up what you want to buy on AIRS. There really aren't a lot of restrictions on right now.

[guessaaa]

Sigh... I'm not just spouting things out of my ass. Valuation is a huge topic and it's very difficult to boil it down to three words.

Paragraph 48(5)(a) of the Customs Act requires that amounts for certain charges and the value of certain goods and services, if not already included in the price paid or payable for the imported goods, must be added to the price paid or payable. These charges and values are identified in Memorandum D13-4-7, Adjustments to the Price Paid or Payable (Customs Act, Section 48) and can include amounts for the following:

[snip]

◦transportation costs and insurance costs to the place of direct shipment to Canada - see Memoranda D13-3-3, Transportation and Associated Costs (Customs Act, Sections 48 to 54), and D13-3-4, Place of Direct Shipment (Customs Act, Sections 48 to 54).

To generalize, if the movement of the goods has stopped (delivered to your US address, US post office box, etc) and then you pick them up and move them to Canada from there, the charges for the prior movement (shipping fees) can be considered part of the price paid.

But, as I said before, this is rarely applied in the context of a personal importation of goods. Usually when I've seen it used is in the case of ebay auctions that are Buy It Now for far less than the usual ebay price, yet have excessive shipping fees. Usually the seller is just avoiding ebay fees but it also benefits the buyer.

I don't see what this has to do with receiving a package in Canada and the shipper having the shipping price wrongly included in the "Value of Goods", and thus having to pay tax on shipping. I know what you are saying, however I never brought up or talked about picking up the package in the US then bringing it across. Section 48(5)(b)(i) of the Customs Act says: "The price paid or payable in the sale of goods for export to Canada shall be adjusted by deducting therefrom amounts, to the extent that each such amount is included in the price paid or payable for the goods, equal to the cost of transportation of, the loading, unloading and handling charges and other charges and expenses associated with the transportation of, and the cost of insurance relating to the transportation of, the goods from the place within the country of export from which the goods are shipped directly to Canada."

[rommelrommel]

Personally, I think that's a bad strategy. While it simplifies the math in your head, it may yield greater taxes paid because the crooks charge Cdn taxes on US sales taxes and even try to nail you on shipping fees, when no amount of merchandise acquires value by virtue of being moved from one place to another.

A few months ago I purchased a kids bike at WalMart. The bike was stuck in the middle of a long receipt for mostly non-taxable items. So they called me in, hoping to collect on the bike. Because the $200 item was in the middle of the receipt, I avoided paying GST (no PST bikes back then) on top of the NY sales tax. Sure it's a small amount, but I woefully resent every penny they take after I've already been raped with income taxes and sodomized with property taxes.


You only get nailed on shipping fees when the seller includes it in their declaration as "Value of goods". CBSA doesn't check the receipt/invoice to see what makes up this value. I've already successfully appealed this several times.


Perhaps true for eBay, but try that with a receipt from Amazon or another commercial site. When I purchased a TV from Amazon, the crooks actually called-out the shipping charge, until I pointed out that it was negated further down the receipt as FREE shipping applied.


Shipping actually (generaly) is taxable although it's rarely charged.


Shipping is not a good. The criteria is "Value of Goods" not "Value of Goods and Services".


Sigh... I'm not just spouting things out of my ass. Valuation is a huge topic and it's very difficult to boil it down to three words.

Paragraph 48(5)(a) of the Customs Act requires that amounts for certain charges and the value of certain goods and services, if not already included in the price paid or payable for the imported goods, must be added to the price paid or payable. These charges and values are identified in Memorandum D13-4-7, Adjustments to the Price Paid or Payable (Customs Act, Section 48) and can include amounts for the following:

[snip]

◦transportation costs and insurance costs to the place of direct shipment to Canada - see Memoranda D13-3-3, Transportation and Associated Costs (Customs Act, Sections 48 to 54), and D13-3-4, Place of Direct Shipment (Customs Act, Sections 48 to 54).

To generalize, if the movement of the goods has stopped (delivered to your US address, US post office box, etc) and then you pick them up and move them to Canada from there, the charges for the prior movement (shipping fees) can be considered part of the price paid.

But, as I said before, this is rarely applied in the context of a personal importation of goods. Usually when I've seen it used is in the case of ebay auctions that are Buy It Now for far less than the usual ebay price, yet have excessive shipping fees. Usually the seller is just avoiding ebay fees but it also benefits the buyer.


I don't see what this has to do with receiving a package in Canada and the shipper having the shipping price wrongly included in the "Value of Goods", and thus having to pay tax on shipping. I know what you are saying, however I never brought up or talked about picking up the package in the US then bringing it across. Section 48(5)(b)(i) of the Customs Act says: "The price paid or payable in the sale of goods for export to Canada shall be adjusted by deducting therefrom amounts, to the extent that each such amount is included in the price paid or payable for the goods, equal to the cost of transportation of, the loading, unloading and handling charges and other charges and expenses associated with the transportation of, and the cost of insurance relating to the transportation of, the goods from the place within the country of export from which the goods are shipped directly to Canada."

The whole chain of posts was about picking up items in the USA after them being shipped. You're right that shipping from the USA to Canada is generaly exempt. Shipping within the USA or whatever other country is generally not exempt (although rarely assessed.) You tried to boil it down to "shipping is not a good, it's a service therefore it isn't taxable" whish is just plain wrong. If you send down a 59 Corvette and someone puts 30 grand in labour into restoring it, do you think you don't pay anything?

[GTT1]

Regarding the above post do you have to pay duty/hst on the total including state tax or just the value of the item before the US tax?

[Haz]

Regarding the above post do you have to pay duty/hst on the total including state tax or just the value of the item before the US tax?I paid taxes on top of the total of a laptop I purchased so essentially, I paid tax on top of tax. I guess the idea is that you are taxed on the total contribution into the US economy.

[crazyproton]

How much tax is due at the border when importing gasoline to BC? My finding leads me to 5% + $0.10/L (Excise Tax). There is no tariff. Can someone verify that?

[crimsona]

Regarding the above post do you have to pay duty/hst on the total including state tax or just the value of the item before the US tax?

You're supposed to pay tax on the total value used to acquire the item. Shipping costs when going US to US counts, as does state tax. It's not like you can buy a TV for $1 and $999 shipping and only expect to pay tax on the $1 used to acquire the TV.

[crazyproton]

You're supposed to pay tax on the total value used to acquire the item. Shipping costs when going US to US counts, as does state tax. It's not like you can buy a TV for $1 and $999 shipping and only expect to pay tax on the $1 used to acquire the TV.

I was told that shipping cost is a service and intangible. It doesn't enhance the item being shipped. It was consumed in US and not being brought over across the border. When you return the item, you don't get a refund of the shipping cost, but you do with sales tax.

[crazyproton]

If you send down a 59 Corvette and someone puts 30 grand in labour into restoring it, do you think you don't pay anything?

Restoration on an item enhances the value of it. You will need to pay tax on that service. Shipping is general not taxed. It depends on how you view it. It was a service charge you pay someone to send you the item. The service was consumed. It doesn't enhanced the item. You don't get the cost back when you refund the item. The cost shouldn't be associated with the item. For those reasons, shipping shouldn't be added to the value of goods.

[guessaaa]

The whole chain of posts was about picking up items in the USA after them being shipped. You're right that shipping from the USA to Canada is generaly exempt. Shipping within the USA or whatever other country is generally not exempt (although rarely assessed.) You tried to boil it down to "shipping is not a good, it's a service therefore it isn't taxable" whish is just plain wrong. If you send down a 59 Corvette and someone puts 30 grand in labour into restoring it, do you think you don't pay anything?

Then I guess we're comparing apples to oranges because I can't see why a seller in the US shipping domestically would be declaring the value of goods on the package in the first place.

As for your Corvette example, you are increasing/enhancing the value of your good by applying $30k of labour on it. Your Corvette is not worth the same when re-imported. Shipping does not increase or enhance the value of any good. Bad example.

[rommelrommel]

Regarding the above post do you have to pay duty/hst on the total including state tax or just the value of the item before the US tax?

Including state tax.


How much tax is due at the border when importing gasoline to BC? My finding leads me to 5% + $0.10/L (Excise Tax). There is no tariff. Can someone verify that?

That looks correct.


I was told that shipping cost is a service and intangible. It doesn't enhance the item being shipped. It was consumed in US and not being brought over across the border. When you return the item, you don't get a refund of the shipping cost, but you do with sales tax.

I posted some references showing that shipping may be taxed, it just not as simple as "shipping cost is a service and intangible."


Restoration on an item enhances the value of it. You will need to pay tax on that service. Shipping is general not taxed. It depends on how you view it. It was a service charge you pay someone to send you the item. The service was consumed. It doesn't enhanced the item. You don't get the cost back when you refund the item. The cost shouldn't be associated with the item. For those reasons, shipping shouldn't be added to the value of goods.

Well, it did "enhance" the goods by virtue of the fact that you now have them.


Then I guess we're comparing apples to oranges because I can't see why a seller in the US shipping domestically would be declaring the value of goods on the package in the first place.

:rolleyes: The series of posts is clearly not about imporations by mail.


As for your Corvette example, you are increasing/enhancing the value of your good by applying $30k of labour on it. Your Corvette is not worth the same when re-imported. Shipping does not increase or enhance the value of any good. Bad example.

It was only intended to show that your position of "it's a service therefore it isn't taxable" is simplistic and wrong. I obviously know that the fictional Corvette is going to be subect to some duties and taxes.

[jbyun04]

If I go down for a day trip of Seattle and I buy let's say an iPad for $300US and come back the same day.. how do I go about declaring that at the border? If I buy it off Craigslist there's no receipt for that and there's no way to prove that I bought it for $300US. Scenario was just thrown out there but definitely possible in real life so I was curious as to how it would all work.

[dmyvr]

If I go down for a day trip of Seattle and I buy let's say an iPad for $300US and come back the same day.. how do I go about declaring that at the border? If I buy it off Craigslist there's no receipt for that and there's no way to prove that I bought it for $300US. Scenario was just thrown out there but definitely possible in real life so I was curious as to how it would all work.

Um ... you tell them you bought some electronics, an iPad? And if you can't prove the price you paid, they will use market value (MSRP) assessment ...

[jurassicjockey]

If I go down for a day trip of Seattle and I buy let's say an iPad for $300US and come back the same day.. how do I go about declaring that at the border? If I buy it off Craigslist there's no receipt for that and there's no way to prove that I bought it for $300US. Scenario was just thrown out there but definitely possible in real life so I was curious as to how it would all work.

I have the seller write me up a receipt and include a phone number in case customs wants to verify it. They never have

[CheapScotsman]

If I go down for a day trip of Seattle and I buy let's say an iPad for $300US and come back the same day.. how do I go about declaring that at the border? If I buy it off Craigslist there's no receipt for that and there's no way to prove that I bought it for $300US. Scenario was just thrown out there but definitely possible in real life so I was curious as to how it would all work.Print the criagslist ad

[bikeboy999]

If I go down for a day trip of Seattle and I buy let's say an iPad for $300US and come back the same day.. how do I go about declaring that at the border? If I buy it off Craigslist there's no receipt for that and there's no way to prove that I bought it for $300US. Scenario was just thrown out there but definitely possible in real life so I was curious as to how it would all work.

I had seller write up a receipt for the amount that was paid for article. Since a bank cheque was written I brought a copy of that. And the customs guys looked at ad, receipt and cheque specimen and said go to cash and pay hst. And my son needed to buy new sunglasses for the drive, and the agent did not add that ($20).


B

[Pavel]

It's totally at the discretion of the officer at the booth. We cross several times a week for everything from shopping to playing hockey and football and we certainly don't feel we get scrutinized more because of it. We have a spotless record of crossing for over 40 years (yes, we've literally crossed all our lives. :) ). We've been waved through with over $1500US on a Black Friday, for example. We've been pulled over just 2 of the last 5 years on Black Fridays and we always spend about $1500US. Last year we were pulled but we spent more thanks to a new tv. We do groceries at least once a week on the US side and usually grab beer as well. We know from experience that they don't bother us with 30 cans or under.
I seriously doubt you'd be that fortunate at any of the BC crossings. For one thing, if you bring in more than a beer, you're likely going inside. The under 30 DEFINITELY does NOT apply here. I never been to Niagra so I dont know how the border situations are. But as you know in BC, border line-ups can be over 3 hours long on a typical long weekend and over an hour on a regular weekend.

[peterw]

Hey Guys,
When cross border shopping, use this guide as reference when bringing things from the US. It's a great guide, and you know what your expecting this for taxes and duty. It's an offical document from CBSA but it's not anywhere on their website.
Enjoy!

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/984/tariffguide.jpg (http://img38.imageshack.us/i/tariffguide.jpg/)

I've probably missed it, but does anyone know how much tax would be charged for a GPS? I can't tell which category a GPS would fall under. I might order one from Amazon.com and pick it up it in Point Roberts.

[yiujun]

By that attitude, I hope they search and make you pay duties for the rest of your life. AFTER ALL, YOUR A CANADIAN CITIZEN.

and no, peace arch does not assume everything is made in the USA.

tonto.

actually, i declared everything, hence i paid customs @ point roberts. ive never been searched. hardly ever questioned, actually...
and i just brought a set of japanese wheels into canada last week and the customs guard @ peace arch just charged me HST. :)
the only time peace arch has ever charged me for anything was the two times i brought wheels over... both sets of wheels were made in japan and i was only charged HST (and they excluded the shipping cost within the USA). i usually buy and declare around $150 per person in the car and never asked to pay duties/taxes.
of course, this is all from my own experience... but ive learned a lesson @ point roberts and never going back there again. people @ peace arch is just more laid back with these things.

[rommelrommel]

I've probably missed it, but does anyone know how much tax would be charged for a GPS? I can't tell which category a GPS would fall under. I might order one from Amazon.com and pick it up it in Point Roberts.

Cat 5 I would say, along with the other electronics.

[Pavel]

Since PRoberts is so small, they've been told to nail everyone going across if they buy anything. Peace Arch is still discretionary aka YMMV. However, when it comes to alcohol you have just a little better odds in winning the lottery than being waived. Alcohol and tobacco is virtually no tolerance.

[Pavel]

Um ... you tell them you bought some electronics, an iPad? And if you can't prove the price you paid, they will use market value (MSRP) assessment ...

Get a receipt or bring a booklet that you can buy at the dollar store and have the seller complete it for you. You'll want an original receipt any ways on any item that has a warranty.

[1226]

Since PRoberts is so small, they've been told to nail everyone going across if they buy anything. Peace Arch is still discretionary aka YMMV. However, when it comes to alcohol you have just a little better odds in winning the lottery than being waived. Alcohol and tobacco is virtually no tolerance.

Really? I've brought back a 12 pack 2 or 3 times (always accompanied by groceries only so the alcohol would be the only thing taxable) and I've never been pulled in for it.

[Pavel]

Really? I've brought back a 12 pack 2 or 3 times (always accompanied by groceries only so the alcohol would be the only thing taxable) and I've never been pulled in for it.
For real? You declared the beer on a trip lasting for a few hours? When was the last time? Was it at Peace Arch?

[guessaaa]

I seriously doubt you'd be that fortunate at any of the BC crossings. For one thing, if you bring in more than a beer, you're likely going inside. The under 30 DEFINITELY does NOT apply here. I never been to Niagra so I dont know how the border situations are. But as you know in BC, border line-ups can be over 3 hours long on a typical long weekend and over an hour on a regular weekend.

Went on Friday with a few friends, came back just before midnight at the Pacific Hwy crossing with no lineup. We declared $600 over four people for our day trip and were let through. In previous years we've had to pay tax for much smaller amounts.

[doberman_baby]

Went on Friday with a few friends, came back just before midnight at the Pacific Hwy crossing with no lineup. We declared $600 over four people for our day trip and were let through. In previous years we've had to pay tax for much smaller amounts.

Luck of the draw ... some CBSA officer will let you go, some will ding you even for a small amount. I have declared everything at the border coming back and so far, I was taxed once. 6 adults, day trip and only spent $300 bucks. Therefore, again, it depends on the CBSA officer.

[doberman_baby]

Since PRoberts is so small, they've been told to nail everyone going across if they buy anything. Peace Arch is still discretionary aka YMMV. However, when it comes to alcohol you have just a little better odds in winning the lottery than being waived. Alcohol and tobacco is virtually no tolerance.

I have my parcels shipped to Point Roberts for pu and so far, I have not been taxed ... all declared.

[1226]

For real? You declared the beer on a trip lasting for a few hours? When was the last time? Was it at Peace Arch?

Peace Arch. Looking back on my CC statement I'd say last time was August 15th. The guy goes through his regular spiel, asks me how much I'm bringing back in total, I say probably something like $150 (all groceries other than the beer - me, my wife, and baby in the car). He asks any alcohol or tobacco, I say a 12 pack of domestic beer. I think he misheard me because he comes back, half-joking in mock shock, "12 cases of beer?". I said no, 12 bottles. He goes "oh OK", looks back to his screen for a couple seconds and waves us through.

[CSK'sMom]

Happy now pavel? I'm not the only one. ;) By the way, check my response to you in the Nexus thread. I even posted the relevant links for you just to make it easy. Contrary to what you think, one does not need a passport to have a Nexus card. Geez, maybe you want a scan of mine to prove it? :confused:

[baboo2004]

quick question guys:

if im heading down for <24 hours, do i have to declare the following:

i am literally "swapping trunks" with a person in the states. his car has a built in OEM spoiler and mine does not. (he prefers the no spoiler look vice versa). hence we are swapping trunks

it is not a $ transaction and they are "used" goods

[crimsona]

How do merchandise contest winnings from US sources work (by mail and in person)?

Do you still need to pay tax on the suggested value, even though nothing was spent to acquire them?

[rommelrommel]

quick question guys:

if im heading down for <24 hours, do i have to declare the following:

i am literally "swapping trunks" with a person in the states. his car has a built in OEM spoiler and mine does not. (he prefers the no spoiler look vice versa). hence we are swapping trunks

it is not a $ transaction and they are "used" goods

Yes, you must declare it. Used goods has no bearing. Worst case, you may be charged on the value of a used trunk lid. To oversimlify why, any goods making their first entry to Canada are subject to duties and taxes at their fair market value if not an arms length purchase.


How do merchandise contest winnings from US sources work (by mail and in person)?

Do you still need to pay tax on the suggested value, even though nothing was spent to acquire them?

Yup, duty/taxable at fair market value.

[un1bomber]

Question ..I would really appreciate if someone here could help me

If my friend buys this camcorder (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002Q4VC9G/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER)

and ships it to me via UPS/Fedex whatever and includes the reciept, can they be sure that the "taxes" they charge me will be off the price he bought it at, and not some BS market price they find??

I really want to get this deal and my friend is willing to buy it and send it to me, and im willing to pay all the taxes and duties but just don't want to be overcharged and suprised with overwhelming fees

Thanks

[iamnotamerican.com]

Get a receipt or bring a booklet that you can buy at the dollar store and have the seller complete it for you. You'll want an original receipt any ways on any item that has a warranty.

IN most cases, warranties apply only to the original purchaser...a hand written receipt doesn't do anything for warranty claims. Sorry.

[mr_raider]

What additional duties are levied on jewelry besides taxes. Specifically diamond engagement rings.

[CheapScotsman]

Question ..I would really appreciate if someone here could help me

If my friend buys this camcorder (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002Q4VC9G/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER)

and ships it to me via UPS/Fedex whatever and includes the receipt, can they be sure that the "taxes" they charge me will be off the price he bought it at, and not some BS market price they find??

I really want to get this deal and my friend is willing to buy it and send it to me, and im willing to pay all the taxes and duties but just don't want to be overcharged and suprised with overwhelming fees

Thanks

In all likelihood, If you friend declares the real price on the customs form and includes the receipt on the inside of the package there is little chance that customs is going to assess it differently.

Good chance you won`t pay duty but you never know.

I can`t see your NOT paying paying GST, HST.

UPS Brokerage fees (http://www.ups.com/content/ca/en/shipping/cost/zones/customs_clearance.html) will run you about $42.95+HST and they have some other fee that I can`t remember

[rommelrommel]

What additional duties are levied on jewelry besides taxes. Specifically diamond engagement rings.

Nothing if made in the USA, the old luxury tax is gone.

[st7860]

http://www.vancouversun.com/Border+guard+charged+with+forcing+women+into+humil iating+strip+searches/3519541/story.html

[Pavel]

IN most cases, warranties apply only to the original purchaser...a hand written receipt doesn't do anything for warranty claims. Sorry.

not so if you pay by cash or there is no CC or bank card info on the receipt.

I have my parcels shipped to Point Roberts for pu and so far, I have not been taxed ... all declared.
That's awesome :)

Peace Arch. Looking back on my CC statement I'd say last time was August 15th. The guy goes through his regular spiel, asks me how much I'm bringing back in total, I say probably something like $150 (all groceries other than the beer - me, my wife, and baby in the car). He asks any alcohol or tobacco, I say a 12 pack of domestic beer. I think he misheard me because he comes back, half-joking in mock shock, "12 cases of beer?". I said no, 12 bottles. He goes "oh OK", looks back to his screen for a couple seconds and waves us through.
Ok....you're coming with me next time I go down and bring back a dozen. :)

Happy now pavel? I'm not the only one. ;) By the way, check my response to you in the Nexus thread. I even posted the relevant links for you just to make it easy. Contrary to what you think, one does not need a passport to have a Nexus card. Geez, maybe you want a scan of mine to prove it? :confused:
lol. ok..ok. u win. ;)

[miss_swan]

Since PRoberts is so small, they've been told to nail everyone going across if they buy anything. Peace Arch is still discretionary aka YMMV. However, when it comes to alcohol you have just a little better odds in winning the lottery than being waived. Alcohol and tobacco is virtually no tolerance.

I've never bought alcohol at PR so I can't comment about that.

I've brought in goods up to ~ 200 bucks or so and have been waved through at PR.

The two times i've gone in to pay taxes was for ~ 320 and 540 bucks respectively, was both expected and no big deal. You can't expect to be waved through all the time.

Was brought in to inspect one package only for possible unapproved ingredient/substance in a preworkout supplement.

I drive my minivan, say "yes sir/ma'am, no sir/ma'am", "good morning/afternoon" and "thank you sir/ma'am" - if that makes a difference. :lol:

Border security are humans too, if you present poorly or suspiciously they will call you on it as i'm sure they've been trained to do so and to look for cues. Train yourself to present well, good eye contact and a slight, non-threatening or non-suspcious smile and you can help yourself significantly I believe.

[msqrade]

If I am going down with a buddy for 48 hours ($400 exemption each), if we buy theoretically 4 items of $150 each, do they have to be on separate receipts? Example: Tires. Let's say they're all for my car but he's not buying anything else - how does that work?

[guessaaa]

If I am going down with a buddy for 48 hours ($400 exemption each), if we buy theoretically 4 items of $150 each, do they have to be on separate receipts? Example: Tires. Let's say they're all for my car but he's not buying anything else - how does that work?

They don't have to be on separate receipts.

[macnut]

They don't have to be on separate receipts.

They do if you are thinking of having your buddy declare that he is buying 2 tires for your car because he's forever in your debt.

But that may not wash anyway with the CBSA - general rule is that exemptions cannot be combined, even for family members.
If I worked for CBSA as an officer in the booth, I would probably let it go, but others might not.
It is stretching things a bit.

They are after all personal exemptions.

[shannoniyer]

I crossed the border once at 21 to go get a special type of booze for my birthday. I even told the guard when I was going in what I was attempting to do. We returned after a couple of hours, declared the booze and went in to pay the tax. When I went up to pay I got hit up with like 30% (high spirit, not made in America).

Not only that, they demanded to search me, and after they didn't find anything, they took my wallet, rubbed the bills with a type of wet cloth and threw the cloth in the machine. After a few seconds it rung back with a readout. The guard told me that they found cocaine residue on the American bills I was carrying back. I flipped out as I'd never done coke, so I asked to be able to contact a lawyer and said I was willing to give a blood test.

They told me it was actually okay, as it was trace amounts and all American currency has some form of powder on it's surface. I wonder if this is true...:-0

[guessaaa]

They do if you are thinking of having your buddy declare that he is buying 2 tires for your car because he's forever in your debt.

But that may not wash anyway with the CBSA - general rule is that exemptions cannot be combined, even for family members.
If I worked for CBSA as an officer in the booth, I would probably let it go, but others might not.
It is stretching things a bit.

They are after all personal exemptions.

The criteria is not "everyone must have separate receipts", it's who is going to use the product in question? While the tire example is a bad one, I can easily go with a friend to the US and ask him to buy something for me and pay him back later. Coming back, I declare my stuff, he declares his stuff.

It's similar to how you can use your child's exemption only for items for that child's use. That doesn't mean I'm going to make sure I get separate receipts for my child's items.


Even young children and infants are entitled to a personal exemption. As a parent or guardian, you can make a declaration to the CBSA for a child as long as the goods you are declaring are for the child's use.

[apn64]

The new question to weasel a few more dollars out of my pocket is "Most expensive item"? as in;

Them: How long?
Me: 3 days
Them How much?
Me: $2K
Them: Most expensive single item?
Me: $300 in groceries

This played out while returning from the USA in July and August, and thus I suspect that any item >$400 single personal exemption might give them an angle to pull me over. I was waived through in both cases.

[miss_swan]

I crossed the border once at 21 to go get a special type of booze for my birthday. I even told the guard when I was going in what I was attempting to do. We returned after a couple of hours, declared the booze and went in to pay the tax. When I went up to pay I got hit up with like 30% (high spirit, not made in America).

Not only that, they demanded to search me, and after they didn't find anything, they took my wallet, rubbed the bills with a type of wet cloth and threw the cloth in the machine. After a few seconds it rung back with a readout. The guard told me that they found cocaine residue on the American bills I was carrying back. I flipped out as I'd never done coke, so I asked to be able to contact a lawyer and said I was willing to give a blood test.

They told me it was actually okay, as it was trace amounts and all American currency has some form of powder on it's surface. I wonder if this is true...:-0

:) They were f**king with you ... to see what your reaction would be so as to give away anything else. It's power and control.

But it's true ... at my workplace we have access to ion scanners that security staff use to scan for drugs etc ... and they say that pretty much every 10 dollar CAD bill they come across comes + for Cocaine. They can find any drug on paper currency nowadays.

[msqrade]

Question: If I order something and have it shipped to a friends, let's say $400 item + $50 shipping, do I declare the item as $450? I know if the $50 was taxes then you do...

[rommelrommel]

Question: If I order something and have it shipped to a friends, let's say $400 item + $50 shipping, do I declare the item as $450? I know if the $50 was taxes then you do...

Technically you should be paying on the shipping but it's rarely enforced to the best of my knowledge.

[st7860]

http://www.thenorthernlight.com/news/article.exm/2010-09-23_canadian_officer_on_trial_for_sexual_assault
B.C. Supreme Court trial of a Canadian border guard accused of sexual assault while on the job in 2007 started this week.

Former Canada Border Services Agent (CBSA) David Johnson Greenhalgh is accused of strip-searching four women at the Peace Arch/ Douglas border crossing and touching their breasts and pubic areas, according to testimony offered at the trial.
Shakila Manzoor, spokeswoman for the CBSA, said she could not comment on the matter because it is currently before the courts. She did confirm Greenhalgh no longer works for the CBSA.

Greenhalgh, who is charged with three counts of sexual assault and one count of breach of trust by an officer, allegedly stripped-searched the first woman on May 26, 2007, contrary to CBSA regulations.

CBSA rules say strip searches can only be performed when there are at least two guards present who are the same sex as the person being searched.

Greenhalgh allegedly questioned the 18-year-old woman for more than an hour about smuggling drugs and told her she either needed to submit to a strip search or be confined to a holding cell.

Greenhalgh allegedly conducted the strip search in a men’s public restroom for the disabled, where he allegedly patted the woman down around her breasts and pubic area after telling her to remove her clothes, one item at a time.

After the woman was released, her mother entered a complaint, which started a RCMP investigation. During the investigation, two other women, a 19 and a 20-year-old, came forward and revealed Greenhalgh had strip-searched them and touched them in a similarly inappropriate manner while they were traveling across the border together on April 13, 2007.

A fourth woman said she had also been strip searched, but had not been touched by Greenhalgh.


On Tuesday, a former coworker of Greenhalgh’s testified that she had assisted in seizing a tablet of ecstasy from one of the women who accused Greenhalgh of sexual assault on April 13, 2007.

[kozm]

Question: If I order something and have it shipped to a friends, let's say $400 item + $50 shipping, do I declare the item as $450? I know if the $50 was taxes then you do...

Yes, it is $450. Yes, this is stupid.

[Siye]

Peace Arch. Looking back on my CC statement I'd say last time was August 15th. The guy goes through his regular spiel, asks me how much I'm bringing back in total, I say probably something like $150 (all groceries other than the beer - me, my wife, and baby in the car). He asks any alcohol or tobacco, I say a 12 pack of domestic beer. I think he misheard me because he comes back, half-joking in mock shock, "12 cases of beer?". I said no, 12 bottles. He goes "oh OK", looks back to his screen for a couple seconds and waves us through.

I've tested this myself and found that bringing in SIX cans/bottles of beer if you're alone works.
It is technically over the limit of 3 but I haven't had trouble with it.

If you go with one other person, 12 cans/bottles is doable too. They may not mind or begrudging let you through though.

Both cases were done when I was getting gas so under an hour trips.

[guessaaa]

Question: If I order something and have it shipped to a friends, let's say $400 item + $50 shipping, do I declare the item as $450? I know if the $50 was taxes then you do...

If you pay shipping to a another place BEFORE importing it to Canada, then yes you will have to declare shipping in the value when you import it to Canada. However, if you have it shipped directly to Canada from the merchant, the shipping charge is NOT part of the valuation of goods.

http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5000-eng.pdf
See #9 and #10.

[rommelrommel]

I've tested this myself and found that bringing in SIX cans/bottles of beer if you're alone works.
It is technically over the limit of 3 but I haven't had trouble with it.

If you go with one other person, 12 cans/bottles is doable too. They may not mind or begrudging let you through though.

Both cases were done when I was getting gas so under an hour trips.

There is no three beer limit.

You are pretty unlikely to get charged on six beer at the lower mainland crossings but there's no exemption for alcohol until 48 hours away.

[CheapScotsman]

Earlier this week, I took a 1hr trip to the US to pick up "stuff". About 15 items including camera, scanners, books, clothes .... over $1200 ...

He asked me the usual questions (where do I live, where do I work, how much and I bringing back, what are they, ...) and I was totally up front.

Then he said have a great day .... no taxes !!! ... yee haw !!! That hasn't happened on that amount for long time.

[Makaveli the Don]

I plan on getting tires in the states (Tires and installation), I was wondering if there would be any duties on the tires? (I believe the tires themselves are manufactured in the states)

[Jin-n-Juice]

I plan on getting tires in the states (Tires and installation), I was wondering if there would be any duties on the tires? (I believe the tires themselves are manufactured in the states)

No, just HST

[seek_up]

Earlier this week, I took a 1hr trip to the US to pick up "stuff". About 15 items including camera, scanners, books, clothes .... over $1200 ...

He asked me the usual questions (where do I live, where do I work, how much and I bringing back, what are they, ...) and I was totally up front.

Then he said have a great day .... no taxes !!! ... yee haw !!! That hasn't happened on that amount for long time.
We just came back over Q/L today with $1600 in "stuff" - new stroller (!), tons of baby clothes and clothes for ourselves. 5 of us in the vehicle and he just waved us through. Just asked where we lived, where we went and how much. It was a very successful trip today :lol:

[miss_swan]

;)

12% is alot of tax! Thank goodness there's no duties huh?


No, just HST

[fortune88]

My wife and I and our 2 kids are going to Michigan and staying there for more than 48 hours. I'm thinking to buy 4 winter tires totaling to $ 600. Will I still be required to pay HST on the tires, if we split the receipt (for example: $300 each between my wife and I)? My argument here is the tires will be put in our family car, so both my wife and I are arguably using them (my wife or I can drive the car where the tires will be put on).

[rommelrommel]

My wife and I and our 2 kids are going to Michigan and staying there for more than 48 hours. I'm thinking to buy 4 winter tires totaling to $ 600. Will I still be required to pay HST on the tires, if we split the receipt (for example: $300 each between my wife and I)? My argument here is the tires will be put in our family car, so both my wife and I are arguably using them (my wife or I can drive the car where the tires will be put on).

A real stickler could make you pay on the $200 difference. If you have minimal other purchases I doubt that anyone would.

[GTT1]

My wife and I and our 2 kids are going to Michigan and staying there for more than 48 hours. I'm thinking to buy 4 winter tires totaling to $ 600. Will I still be required to pay HST on the tires, if we split the receipt (for example: $300 each between my wife and I)? My argument here is the tires will be put in our family car, so both my wife and I are arguably using them (my wife or I can drive the car where the tires will be put on).

I wouldn't worry at all. Returning the past 4 times my wife and I have only been asked "how much did you spend" and the question in whatever form was never yet directed to us each individually. I always answer with "about ....." Sometimes they will ask what we bought. If asked just say New tires and some clothes or whatever else you bought. If you are under $800.00 no problem. Anyway I believe you are permitted to buy things as gifts for others. So if the matter was questioned you bought 2 tires and your wife bought 2 tires as a gift for you.

[doberman_baby]

I wouldn't worry at all. Returning the past 4 times my wife and I have only been asked "how much did you spend" and the question in whatever form was never yet directed to us each individually. I always answer with "about ....." Sometimes they will ask what we bought. If asked just say New tires and some clothes or whatever else you bought. If you are under $800.00 no problem. Anyway I believe you are permitted to buy things as gifts for others. So if the matter was questioned you bought 2 tires and your wife bought 2 tires as a gift for you.

48 hours will give you each $400 exemption. Regardless, just declare everything. As with gifts, note that it must be under $50 bucks to qualify for exemption.

[doberman_baby]

Question: If I order something and have it shipped to a friends, let's say $400 item + $50 shipping, do I declare the item as $450? I know if the $50 was taxes then you do...

Yes, it should be on the landed cost. What I suggest is send it to a friend who lives in the states and have them bring it back up for you.

[xstatik]

I have a question about the 48 hours exemption.

Now I know the hard and fast rule is 48 hours to get the $400 exemption and the right to bring in cheap booze and smokes.

What I was wondering is in the REAL WORLD, how strict are the border guards on the 48 hours?
For example, if I was to drive to Michigan and cross into Michigan at 11am on Saturday and leave Michigan at 7pm Sunday night and I told the border agent that I was gone for "two days", do they usually use the discretion and allow the 48 hours exemption for a "two day" trip or would they be strict on the 48 hours?
Now I know it can depend on the mood of the guard etc, but I'm wondering if people have been waived through with a 48 hr exemption even though they are a few hours short?

Thanks,

[rommelrommel]

I have a question about the 48 hours exemption.

Now I know the hard and fast rule is 48 hours to get the $400 exemption and the right to bring in cheap booze and smokes.

What I was wondering is in the REAL WORLD, how strict are the border guards on the 48 hours?
For example, if I was to drive to Michigan and cross into Michigan at 11am on Saturday and leave Michigan at 7pm Sunday night and I told the border agent that I was gone for "two days", do they usually use the discretion and allow the 48 hours exemption for a "two day" trip or would they be strict on the 48 hours?
Now I know it can depend on the mood of the guard etc, but I'm wondering if people have been waived through with a 48 hr exemption even though they are a few hours short?

Thanks,

Most BSO's I know HATE it when someone says "two days" trying to give the impression that they qualify for the 48 hour exemption. Especially if you have your booze and smokes.

[guessaaa]

I have a question about the 48 hours exemption.

Now I know the hard and fast rule is 48 hours to get the $400 exemption and the right to bring in cheap booze and smokes.

What I was wondering is in the REAL WORLD, how strict are the border guards on the 48 hours?
For example, if I was to drive to Michigan and cross into Michigan at 11am on Saturday and leave Michigan at 7pm Sunday night and I told the border agent that I was gone for "two days", do they usually use the discretion and allow the 48 hours exemption for a "two day" trip or would they be strict on the 48 hours?
Now I know it can depend on the mood of the guard etc, but I'm wondering if people have been waived through with a 48 hr exemption even though they are a few hours short?

Thanks,

If you left 11 am on Saturday and came back 7 pm on Sunday and the border guard asked "When did you leave Canada?", you would answer "Two days ago" instead of "Yesterday"?

[xstatik]

Most BSO's I know HATE it when someone says "two days" trying to give the impression that they qualify for the 48 hour exemption. Especially if you have your booze and smokes.

Thanks. That's exactly the answer that I'm looking for.

The main reason for me to try and claim 48hrs is to be able to bring back some booze tax free.

[Stock R]

For example, if I was to drive to Michigan and cross into Michigan at 11am on Saturday and leave Michigan at 7pm Sunday night and I told the border agent that I was gone for "two days", do they usually use the discretion and allow the 48 hours exemption for a "two day" trip or would they be strict on the 48 hours?

How does that count as "two days?"

[canlabman]

I have been asked many times at what time did I cross the border into the USA. I always make a mental note of it when I cross so as to always be honest. They will ask what day you left Canada, and then ask what time you entered the USA. Don't mislead a BSO or purposely be obtuse. They know all the tricks that people use and know what questions to ask. I don't know why so many people want to find ways to deceive the BSOs in order to save what amounts to a few dollars relative to what has been spent in the USA. The consequences are not worth it. As one can see by reading previous posts, honest people have gone through, declaring everything and being honest about their trip and length of time being away and didn't pay a cent in taxes or duties. I'd rather play my odds that way because if you "win", you don't pay anything, but if you "lose", you pay a small amount in taxes and/or duties and don't get flagged for a search every time you cross back into Canada. I think the not getting flagged for a search every time you cross back into Canada is a win in itself.

[CheapScotsman]

One should also be aware that in all likelyhood, the BSO knows what time you entered the US when you roll up to the window. They datashare with the US and license plate numbers are recorded.

[1226]

One should also be aware that in all likelyhood, the BSO knows what time you entered the US when you roll up to the window. They datashare with the US and license plate numbers are recorded.

+1

I always consider it a test rather than a request for info.

[xstatik]

How does that count as "two days?"

Saturday = 1
Sunday = 1
1+1=2 Days.

[xstatik]

One should also be aware that in all likelyhood, the BSO knows what time you entered the US when you roll up to the window. They datashare with the US and license plate numbers are recorded.

Is that true? I've heard mixed on this.

Any of the Border Guards here wish to comment?

What happens if I cross into the USA on one bridge and return to Canada on another bridge?

[CheapScotsman]

Is that true? I've heard mixed on this.

Any of the Border Guards here wish to comment?

What happens if I cross into the USA on one bridge and return to Canada on another bridge?

In the late 1980s I was pulled over by a Washington State police officer ... who, in the course of conversations, asked me about a ticket I had received in British Columbia ... so he had access to my BC driving record

So this was at the state/province level. The feds probably have better integration ...

and here we are over 20 years later, way better computer technology, post 9-11 with both governments working to better "secure" borders (including limiting documentation, for adults, to passports, etc) ... I think it is pretty obvious that, outside of some edge cases, they know when you left (cause you either flew or got scanned into the US) and when you came back (caused you got scanned on the way back in). With computers, the port of entry is just another piece of data tracking you.

I am also pretty sure that the BSOs that are on this board aren't going to get drawn into what they can and can't see ....

[toram23901]

I have been asked many times at what time did I cross the border into the USA. I always make a mental note of it when I cross so as to always be honest. They will ask what day you left Canada, and then ask what time you entered the USA. Don't mislead a BSO or purposely be obtuse. They know all the tricks that people use and know what questions to ask. I don't know why so many people want to find ways to deceive the BSOs in order to save what amounts to a few dollars relative to what has been spent in the USA. The consequences are not worth it. As one can see by reading previous posts, honest people have gone through, declaring everything and being honest about their trip and length of time being away and didn't pay a cent in taxes or duties. I'd rather play my odds that way because if you "win", you don't pay anything, but if you "lose", you pay a small amount in taxes and/or duties and don't get flagged for a search every time you cross back into Canada. I think the not getting flagged for a search every time you cross back into Canada is a win in itself.

With this in mind, I would like to elicit responses from people who have declared what they bought at the border and had to pay the taxes on it. I would like to hear the stories of how much they paid in taxes for how much they declared and how often they had to pay. I know taxes on US made goods are limited to the HST on top, but how about stuff that has been assessed duties?

Can I get some stories about the full declaration cases?

[ride365]

I crossed at Sumas, BC the other day and declared $600 of goods and my friend $550. The BSO asked how long we'd been gone and I said two days, he then asked how many nights and where I stayed. I told him one night and then we were asked to pull over and pay tax on the liquor but nothing on the goods. He pretty much knew two guys in their 20's would be bringing back booze. We were honest and happy to get away with only paying $25 each. The cashier had no idea as to the rules about importing liquor or goods. I asked her if we could bring back both liquor and wine and she said yes after flipping through the book for 2 seconds. She was obviously wrong. They seemed more interested in investigating the visible minority couple behind us (who just had their vehicle ripped apart) so I guess we were lucky.

[CheapScotsman]

Can I get some stories about the full declaration cases?Sure ... I've been bringing stuff back across the border for more than 20 years ... and the last 15 with a mailbox service in Blaine WA.

Renovation materials, tools, sporting gear, clothing, food, stationary, office equipment, health care, computer equipment, photographic equipment, books, DVDs, etc. Just about everything except alcohol and tobacco.

Anywhere from $50 a trip to over $1500 per trip. Anywhere from twice a year to 8 times a year. Usually just a few hours but a few trips have been days.

and I can't even remember that last time I was charged duty. Probably less than 4 times? 6 times? in the last 20 years.

I'd say I am about 50/50 on being charged GST/PST/HST. In the last two years, almost always ... but got a great surprise last week when I came back with $1200 (gone 1 hr ... and I declared it all) and he just waived me through.

[guessaaa]

Saturday = 1
Sunday = 1
1+1=2 Days.

So leaving 11 pm Saturday and returning 1 am Sunday makes it two days? REALLY?

[kozm]

+1

I always consider it a test rather than a request for info.

Thought so. However, at one point I was requested to provide a proof of the date of departure (which I failed to produce - lost my receipts from the US from that day). Pulled over to the customs building, the guy then came out and said the info checked out OK and I am good to go. Happened @ Rainbow Bridge.

[toram23901]

How about Nexus crossings and declaring there? I know with Nexus, you submit your declaration form into their "mailbox" right before you hit the BSO booth. If they are going to charge you, they just bill the credit card that is associated with the account.

So if you declare overage on the Nexus form, will they ALWAYS ding you, or would they still have "compassion" and wave it? Are there Nexus reading this with declaration stories and how much taxes they have been charged and how frequently?

[CSK'sMom]

How about Nexus crossings and declaring there? I know with Nexus, you submit your declaration form into their "mailbox" right before you hit the BSO booth. If they are going to charge you, they just bill the credit card that is associated with the account.

So if you declare overage on the Nexus form, will they ALWAYS ding you, or would they still have "compassion" and wave it? Are there Nexus reading this with declaration stories and how much taxes they have been charged and how frequently?

There is absolutely no discretion when it comes to taxes and/or duties when crossing the Nexus lane into Canada. Personally I have a Nexus and have never used the Nexus lane when coming back into Canada for that very reason. We get waved through far more often than not so I'm really not interested in paying each and every time. :)

[1226]

How about Nexus crossings and declaring there? I know with Nexus, you submit your declaration form into their "mailbox" right before you hit the BSO booth. If they are going to charge you, they just bill the credit card that is associated with the account.

So if you declare overage on the Nexus form, will they ALWAYS ding you, or would they still have "compassion" and wave it? Are there Nexus reading this with declaration stories and how much taxes they have been charged and how frequently?

Always charged. And at least at Peace Arch it appears they've done away with the mailbox. A while ago there was a sign on the box that directed you to give your TDC directly to the BSO. Now the mailbox is gone altogether.

[Pauly Boy]

Originally Posted by toram23901
Can I get some stories about the full declaration cases?


My most recent outing to the States was all of 15min at a drop ship warehouse to pick up some golf clubs from ebay & to score some cheap beer since I was there.

This was about ~$100 with the beer, I declared everything, joked about my 5 minutes total in the USA, showed him the receipts for the golf sticks (always helpful) & I was waved through when I should have been paying for everything.

I’ve had this happen several times – Drive up, declare & on my way, despite being over. I think the only time I ever got told to pull over & pay up was last year when 4 of us came back with a trunk filled with booze (literally) for the Canada Day long weekend – I imagine $500 worth of liquor will result in that everytime though, lol.

This is @ Sweetgrass/Coutts Alberta & YMMV ;-)

[mada726]

I heard that some people decided to clear customs themselves. I don't know how this work. If I recall, I was watching a segment on CBC MarketPlace - about 10 years ago....

I'm talking about shopping online at an American-based website, not going to the States by car or bus and shop there.

[kozm]

Always charged. And at least at Peace Arch it appears they've done away with the mailbox. A while ago there was a sign on the box that directed you to give your TDC directly to the BSO. Now the mailbox is gone altogether.

I have just renewed my Nexus card and was told during the interview that they encourage to give the oral declaration to the officer in the Nexus lane now, although the officer may also collect your TDC.

[1226]

I have just renewed my Nexus card and was told during the interview that they encourage to give the oral declaration to the officer in the Nexus lane now, although the officer may also collect your TDC.

I thought there was a sign there (where the mailbox used to be) that said you had to hand your TDC to the BSO? Two times ago the guy was so fast waving me through I didn't even have a chance to hand him my TDC (so I never did). The most recent time I was going to see if the same thing would happen so I didn't hand the TDC to him right away. But the first thing he asked was what I was bringing back so I quickly handed him the TDC.

But you think I can just verbally declare now (i.e. answer his question) and hand the TDC to the BSO only if he asks for it?

[shannoniyer]

just thought I would share this. I know the border guard is American I think, so.... enjoy.


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cf1_1273009418

guard claims there are 3 terrorists a day coming into America from Canada...

must be some brown people? I'm not saying the "Canadian" wasn't an idiot. Just seems ridiculous that they would make stuff up, and levy charges like obstruction of justice or assault by pulling away from being grabbed. Hey may have been an idiot, but border guards shouldn't get on his level. Should have just denied entry and got him to turn back....

[TomeOne]

I'm heading into Niagara Falls NY to the fashion outlet tomorrow, planning to buy a suit and possibly a pair of dress shoes. I will declare everything and have my receipts on me.

Friends and co-workers have told me they usually don't pay any duties or tax and just get waved through.

[Cheap Cat]

just thought I would share this. I know the border guard is American I think, so.... enjoy.


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cf1_1273009418

guard claims there are 3 terrorists a day coming into America from Canada...

must be some brown people? I'm not saying the "Canadian" wasn't an idiot. Just seems ridiculous that they would make stuff up, and levy charges like obstruction of justice or assault by pulling away from being grabbed. Hey may have been an idiot, but border guards shouldn't get on his level. Should have just denied entry and got him to turn back....

Old news. This has been posted here before, more than once. If the terrorists are already in Canada, then they are already in America. Canada is part of America, North America. The US doesn't own the whole continent. If they are coming into the US from Canada, then it is because they are letting them in. Don't blame us.

As for "some brown people", prior to 9/11 the deadliest terrorist act on US soil was by Western New York native Timothy McVeigh. A local to these borders guards. He didn't cross any borders to get there.

[doberman_baby]

I thought there was a sign there (where the mailbox used to be) that said you had to hand your TDC to the BSO? Two times ago the guy was so fast waving me through I didn't even have a chance to hand him my TDC (so I never did). The most recent time I was going to see if the same thing would happen so I didn't hand the TDC to him right away. But the first thing he asked was what I was bringing back so I quickly handed him the TDC.

But you think I can just verbally declare now (i.e. answer his question) and hand the TDC to the BSO only if he asks for it?

I am interested in the answer too. Thought the black mail box was still there? Is it true that only verbal declaration at the BSO or TDC still required? Personally, I think the TDC is a waste of time ... if the family goes, it's like 4 forms, then each category for each person. It's just too much work. If it's true that CBSA encourages verbal declaration at the Nexus lane, this cuts out all the wasted time trying to categorize and to whom.

[CSK'sMom]

I'm heading into Niagara Falls NY to the fashion outlet tomorrow, planning to buy a suit and possibly a pair of dress shoes. I will declare everything and have my receipts on me.

Friends and co-workers have told me they usually don't pay any duties or tax and just get waved through.

Are you nuts? You're a local, you should know better than to get caught in the long weekend gridlock at the bridges. It's expected to be worse than usual thanks to the surging dollar as well! :-0

[JasonSolaris]

Hi. My family has Nexus passes and use it often to enter the US, but usually take the normal lanes back into Canada. Today we were in a rush to get back by a certain time and got out our declaration boolettes and filled them out for the first time. When we got up to the officer, he informed us they no longer need the declarations now and we just need to give a verbal declaration. If we pay taxes, we'll be sent in or waived through.

Just wondering how long as this been going on? One of use just got the declaration booklette again a couple of days ago and wasn't informed about this policy.
Thanks

[kozm]

Just wondering how long as this been going on? One of use just got the declaration booklette again a couple of days ago and wasn't informed about this policy.
Thanks

The NEXUS lady told me it's been about 1.5 years now.

[Pavel]

Hi. My family has Nexus passes and use it often to enter the US, but usually take the normal lanes back into Canada. Today we were in a rush to get back by a certain time and got out our declaration boolettes and filled them out for the first time. When we got up to the officer, he informed us they no longer need the declarations now and we just need to give a verbal declaration. If we pay taxes, we'll be sent in or waived through.

Just wondering how long as this been going on? One of use just got the declaration booklette again a couple of days ago and wasn't informed about this policy.
Thanks

Two months ago at the Peace Arch crossing I filled out the TDC and handed it to the CBSA. I wasn't informed about the waiver. Does that mean they CBSA agent sends you inside and all the staff at the Nexus officer are now layed off or doing something who have been processing I believe this is why you mustt give them your CC number and mine was renewed a few months ago. I wasnt told the CC wasnt necessary any more.

[toram23901]

The Sarnia (Blue Water Bridge) crossing still has the mailbox. I crossed over the weekend and put my form into the box. I really don't like asking customs guys much. I always get curt responses like I am wasting their time by being there. If I see a box, I'll still put in the forms. That is how I am taking this for now.

[xstatik]

Are you nuts? You're a local, you should know better than to get caught in the long weekend gridlock at the bridges. It's expected to be worse than usual thanks to the surging dollar as well! :-0

He's not nuts, a trip to Hugo Boss Outlet will cost him $500-600 for a suit, dress shirt and dress shoes. That will easily run him $1500 at Harry Rosen in Canada.
He is smart to shop there.

[1226]

He's not nuts, a trip to Hugo Boss Outlet will cost him $500-600 for a suit, dress shirt and dress shoes. That will easily run him $1500 at Harry Rosen in Canada.
He is smart to shop there.

True, but maybe just not that weekend.

[st7860]

http://www.theprovince.com/news/Jury+decide+fate+former+border+guard+trial+sexual+ assault/3689328/story.html

A B.C. Supreme Court judge Monday charged the eight-man, four-man jury before deliberations begin as Daniel Johnson Greenhalgh stands accused of sexual assault after allegedly strip-searching four women at the Douglas border crossing in 2007.

Greenhalgh, a former Canadian Border Services Agency officer, is alleged to have ordered the women to remove their clothes, then patted them down around their breasts and pubic area, over the course of a six-week period between April 13 and May 26, 2007.


The trial, which began in mid-September, concluded Monday with the judge's instruction to the jury.

[CSK'sMom]

He's not nuts, a trip to Hugo Boss Outlet will cost him $500-600 for a suit, dress shirt and dress shoes. That will easily run him $1500 at Harry Rosen in Canada.
He is smart to shop there.

Uhmmm... did you temporarily loose your reading comprehension skills by chance? I wrote:

Are you nuts? You're a local, you should know better than to get caught in the long weekend gridlock at the bridges. It's expected to be worse than usual thanks to the surging dollar as well!
What the hell does that have to do with a deal. The poster that was posted to lives in St Catharines, less than 30 minutes from the Fashion Outlet Mall. He can skip over the border any night after work and does not need to get caught in the GTA cross border shopper chaos on long weekends (that post was in referance to going over on Thanksgiving weekend) or weekends with a surging Canadian dollar. :facepalm:

[atong]

Hi. My family has Nexus passes and use it often to enter the US, but usually take the normal lanes back into Canada. Today we were in a rush to get back by a certain time and got out our declaration boolettes and filled them out for the first time. When we got up to the officer, he informed us they no longer need the declarations now and we just need to give a verbal declaration. If we pay taxes, we'll be sent in or waived through.

Just wondering how long as this been going on? One of use just got the declaration booklette again a couple of days ago and wasn't informed about this policy.
Thanks

Hmm interesting, I was told they're phasing out the booklets and to use this online one:
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-voyage/instructions-eng.html

talk about confusing, so online TDC? or verbal declarations?

[xstatik]

Uhmmm... did you temporarily loose your reading comprehension skills by chance? I wrote:

What the hell does that have to do with a deal. The poster that was posted to lives in St Catharines, less than 30 minutes from the Fashion Outlet Mall. He can skip over the border any night after work and does not need to get caught in the GTA cross border shopper chaos on long weekends (that post was in referance to going over on Thanksgiving weekend) or weekends with a surging Canadian dollar. :facepalm:

But as a local, you would know the shortcuts across the border (yes there are ways across that will save A LOT OF TIME). The number one shortcut is to Never use the Lewiston-Queenston Bridge! (Everyone goes there becuase they trust their GPS)

[toram23901]

Hmm interesting, I was told they're phasing out the booklets and to use this online one:
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-voyage/instructions-eng.html

talk about confusing, so online TDC? or verbal declarations?

Although the CBSA calls it an Online TDC, it is actually an OFFline TDC. It's essentially a PDF file that you can populate on your computer and print out to hand in. All the fields you usually fill in by hand seems to allow you to type in it, except for your signature. So it's essentially the TDC, but in PDF format.

But the confusion is still there...Form or no form! I guess I'll still keep filling out the form since it is there.

The only thing now is that there are no carbon copies of what you submitted. Guess I have to fill in two forms each time.

[GTT1]

But as a local, you would know the shortcuts across the border (yes there are ways across that will save A LOT OF TIME). The number one shortcut is to Never use the Lewiston-Queenston Bridge! (Everyone goes there becuase they trust their GPS)

Depends on the time of day.

Last time I returned from US at 6.30 p.m.we were across in 10 minutes. They had every booth open.

[CSK'sMom]

But as a local, you would know the shortcuts across the border (yes there are ways across that will save A LOT OF TIME). The number one shortcut is to Never use the Lewiston-Queenston Bridge! (Everyone goes there becuase they trust their GPS)

Well there are 3 main bridges, not a lot of real choice when all 3 are backed up for hrs. ;) Frankly, during a long weekend with the dollar surging it means long wait times at all 4 bridges (yes 4, ;) ). It's to be avoided at all cost, especially when one can whip across at any time with zero wait times. Rainbow was at a 75 min wait at times Thanksgiving weekend, with all booths open both ways. It was utter chaos down there. Construction on the bridge isn't helping either. Peace was over 2 hrs at times and Q-L was as well. Even the "secret" 4th bridge was backed up. When they are delayed there is "SFA" you can do about it and no way around it either... Locals do not cross on long weekends unless it's a dire emergency, and cheap beer doesn't count! ;)

[GTT1]

Well there are 3 main bridges, not a lot of real choice when all 3 are backed up for hrs. ;) Frankly, during a long weekend with the dollar surging it means long wait times at all 4 bridges (yes 4, ;) ). It's to be avoided at all cost, especially when one can whip across at any time with zero wait times. Rainbow was at a 75 min wait at times Thanksgiving weekend, with all booths open both ways. It was utter chaos down there. Construction on the bridge isn't helping either. Peace was over 2 hrs at times and Q-L was as well. Even the "secret" 4th bridge was backed up. When they are delayed there is "SFA" you can do about it and no way around it either... Locals do not cross on long weekends unless it's a dire emergency, and cheap beer doesn't count! ;)

Actually are there not 5 bridges. One you would have to hobo across on!:lol:

[EPcjay]

I used my TDC book two weeks ago ...they never said anything to me ..

[rewok]

Does anyone knows if you're allowed to decide on which items to apply your personal exemption? We'll have the 400$ exemption each (DH & I), but we'll bring bath tons of faucet stuff for our bathroom reno (duty free), as well as clothes, tires, and probably other things that might be dutiable. We would obviously want the exemption on the dutiable stuff!

[JasonSolaris]

Hi. I checked my credit card and notice 2 couple of charges by Nexus. I assume it's an easy grab since we written everything down, but I was wondering if an invoice would be sent. One of our trips should be a 48 exemption and wanted to make sure we won't be charged for that.

Last time we made a verbal declaration and was waived through. I think we'll take our chances from now on with that.
Later

[a in yul]

Does anyone knows if you're allowed to decide on which items to apply your personal exemption? We'll have the 400$ exemption each (DH & I), but we'll bring bath tons of faucet stuff for our bathroom reno (duty free), as well as clothes, tires, and probably other things that might be dutiable. We would obviously want the exemption on the dutiable stuff!

pretty sure u can;

what price do we declare for mail in rebate products; the price before rebate or after rebate..?

[mudman24]

Ebola, to be duty free, such as a TV the item has to generally be made in a Nafta country versus being assembled unless most of the parts are produced in a nafta country correct?

[toram23901]

what price do we declare for mail in rebate products; the price before rebate or after rebate..?

I would say the price BEFORE the rebate. That's the amount you actually paid out to buy the product. This would be the same if you were using gift certificates. The rebate and certificate is not officially lowering the cost of the item, it just offsets the actual amount YOU (as the consumer) paid out for the product. The value / cost of the product is still the total amount on the bill.

[monit88]

If the TV is Made in a country outside of NAFTA, how much more do i need to pay on top of my taxes?

[Stock R]

Are taxes calculated based on the value of the item or the price paid? Where is this actually defined if I wanted to look it up.

Yesterday I was told my a border officer that I paid taxes on the original value of the item regardless of what the price I paid was. So on one of my items, I had to pay taxes the pre-sale price (regular sale, not MIR). Found this rather weird as I've always paid taxes on the amount I actually paid the store.

[kozm]

If the TV is Made in a country outside of NAFTA, how much more do i need to pay on top of my taxes?

Just brought in a 58" Panasonic plasma from Buffalo ($1099+tax); they just calculate duties based on screen size (>14" is all the same) and the price, not on the country of origin.

[a in yul]

I would say the price BEFORE the rebate. That's the amount you actually paid out to buy the product. This would be the same if you were using gift certificates. The rebate and certificate is not officially lowering the cost of the item, it just offsets the actual amount YOU (as the consumer) paid out for the product. The value / cost of the product is still the total amount on the bill.

but the certificate replaces cash; whereas the rebate reimburses u and lowers the amount u pay/paid..

[1226]

I would say if it's an instant rebate, it should come off he price, but if it's MIR, no. As a Canadian, technically you may not be entitled to the rebate. Or the rebate might expire the next day. Or you might not apply for the rebate. Or it might just not come (as MIR's often do).

[dealguy2]

US citizens do not have to answer questions other than hand over their proof of citizenship and their written declaration in order to re-enter the US. Does the same apply to Canadians re-entering Canada? I've been asked questions that have nothing to do with proving my citizenship or establishing the veracity of my written declaration before. Am I required to answer these questions? I know that for customs purposes I can be searched which I understand now includes strip searches.

[canabiz]

US citizens do not have to answer questions other than hand over their proof of citizenship and their written declaration in order to re-enter the US. Does the same apply to Canadians re-entering Canada? I've been asked questions that have nothing to do with proving my citizenship or establishing the veracity of my written declaration before. Am I required to answer these questions? I know that for customs purposes I can be searched which I understand now includes strip searches.

Your lawyer is probably your best bet to get a direct and accurate answer. But why make life more difficult for yourself? We all know there are many power-tripping egomaniacs stationed at our borders. Do you care about not providing answers to questions you don't think they should ask you or do you care more about getting through the borders and enjoying your trip?

You can make life more difficult for them but I would not advise you doing so.

[Ebola]

US citizens do not have to answer questions other than hand over their proof of citizenship and their written declaration in order to re-enter the US. Does the same apply to Canadians re-entering Canada? I've been asked questions that have nothing to do with proving my citizenship or establishing the veracity of my written declaration before. Am I required to answer these questions? I know that for customs purposes I can be searched which I understand now includes strip searches.

As in, you've recently learned from personal experience, or as in you just learned that is a legislated authority exercisable by CBSA?

[dealguy2]

I haven't been strip searched no. I just remember hearing something about strip searching now being allowed. If that's not the case this is good news.

[cahk]

I haven't been strip searched no. I just remember hearing something about strip searching now being allowed. If that's not the case this is good news.

Strip Searching has always been allowed - it's nothing new. You were referring to R. v. Golden (2001) which clarified certain legal aspects on that issue.

And yes, you are obligated to answer any and all questions posted to you at a border crossing. S. 16 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act states "A person ... must answer truthfully all questions put to them for the purpose of the examination ..."

[dealguy2]

Strip Searching has always been allowed - it's nothing new. You were referring to R. v. Golden (2001) which clarified certain legal aspects on that issue.

And yes, you are obligated to answer any and all questions posted to you at a border crossing. S. 16 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act states "A person ... must answer truthfully all questions put to them for the purpose of the examination ..."

Ok so let's say you lie to a customs officer. Not illegal according to criminal code correct? Any consequences for doing this? (Other than punitive secondary searches).

[cahk]

Ok so let's say you lie to a customs officer. Not illegal according to criminal code correct? Any consequences for doing this? (Other than punitive secondary searches).

Border Services Officers are peace officers and as such, there are definite consequences for lying to them when you are being examined.

If you lie or refuse to answer -
S. 127 of Immigration and Refugee Protection Act
(a) No person shall knowingly directly or indirectly misrepresent or withhold material facts relating to a relevant matter that induces or could induce an error in the administration of this Act or (c) refuse to answer a question put to the person at an examination....

Indictment - fine of not more than $100,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than five years, or to both
Summary Conviction - fine of not more than $50,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than two years, or to both.

Depending on what you decide to lie about, you can also be charged under S.129(a) of the Criminal Code of Canada for obstruction of a peace officer or under the Customs Act for failing to declare items you bring into the country.

[dealguy2]

Border Services Officers are peace officers and as such, there are definite consequences for lying to them when you are being examined.

If you lie or refuse to answer -
S. 127 of Immigration and Refugee Protection Act
(a) No person shall knowingly directly or indirectly misrepresent or withhold material facts relating to a relevant matter that induces or could induce an error in the administration of this Act or (c) refuse to answer a question put to the person at an examination....

Indictment - fine of not more than $100,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than five years, or to both
Summary Conviction - fine of not more than $50,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than two years, or to both.

Depending on what you decide to lie about, you can also be charged under S.129(a) of the Criminal Code of Canada for obstruction of a peace officer or under the Customs Act for failing to declare items you bring into the country.

Wow that's pretty crazy. Basically when returning to your own country you are required to answer any and all questions no matter the relevance under threat of imprisonment. I knew Canada was not a free country but I just had no idea what the depth of it was. I now know and will answer all questions under threat of imprisonment or fines.

[cahk]

Wow that's pretty crazy. Basically when returning to your own country you are required to answer any and all questions no matter the relevance under threat of imprisonment. I knew Canada was not a free country but I just had no idea what the depth of it was. I now know and will answer all questions under threat of imprisonment or fines.

Frankly, this is the same around the globe. Courts have held borders are to be treated differently because of their role in security and sovereignty.

[dealguy2]

Frankly, this is the same around the globe. Courts have held borders are to be treated differently because of their role in security and sovereignty.

Not in the US. And I don't think this is reasonable at all. Sure I think it's reasonable to ask questions about your declaration form and about your citizenship papers but other than that for Canadian citizens there should be no other questions. There should also be no consequence for not answering questions either. My reasons for travelling and my personal relationships with other canadians and other foreign nationals have ZERO to do with my declaration and my citizenship status in this country.

[cahk]

Not in the US. And I don't think this is reasonable at all. Sure I think it's reasonable to ask questions about your declaration form and about your citizenship papers but other than that for Canadian citizens there should be no other questions. There should also be no consequence for not answering questions either. My reasons for travelling and my personal relationships with other canadians and other foreign nationals have ZERO to do with my declaration and my citizenship status in this country.

I don't know enough to comment on the US immigration system but I presume you also hold US Citizenship? Did you know it's illegal to leave or enter US if you didn't use your American Passport? "it shall be unlawful for any citizen of the United States to depart from or enter, or attempt to depart from or enter, the United States unless he bears a valid United States passport"
http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-29/0-0-0-4204.html#0-0-0-210

You don't think that's arbitrary? I'm sure there are tons of other American examples if I dig deeper.

[CheapScotsman]

Border Services Officers are peace officers and as such, there are definite consequences for lying to them when you are being examined.

If you lie or refuse to answer -
S. 127 of Immigration and Refugee Protection Act
(a) No person shall knowingly directly or indirectly misrepresent or withhold material facts relating to a relevant matter that induces or could induce an error in the administration of this Act or (c) refuse to answer a question put to the person at an examination....

Indictment - fine of not more than $100,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than five years, or to both
Summary Conviction - fine of not more than $50,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than two years, or to both.

Depending on what you decide to lie about, you can also be charged under S.129(a) of the Criminal Code of Canada for obstruction of a peace officer or under the Customs Act for failing to declare items you bring into the country.
Dealguy .... Don't forget the highlighted part

Of course, as indicated earlier, each person has to balance off what they are being asked and how they are willing to respond vs just plain out being wrong (in the interpretation of what the above might be) vs triggering a more aggressive verbal and/or physical search by CBSA

[cahk]

Dealguy .... Don't forget the highlighted part

Of course, as indicated earlier, each person has to balance off what they are being asked and how they are willing to respond vs just plain out being wrong (in the interpretation of what the above might be) vs triggering a more aggressive verbal and/or physical search by CBSA

Even if your interpretation is correct ....

S.16 stated you must answer all questions truthfully and by virtue of S.124, you can receive up to 50,000 fine and 2 years in jail by indictment or 10,000 fine and 6 months in jail by summary conviction if you "contravenes a provision of this Act for which a penalty is not specifically provided or fails to comply with a condition or obligation imposed under this Act".

[CheapScotsman]

Even if your interpretation is correct ....

S.16 stated you must answer all questions truthfully and by virtue of S.124, you can receive up to 50,000 fine and 2 years in jail by indictment or 10,000 fine and 6 months in jail by summary conviction if you "contravenes a provision of this Act for which a penalty is not specifically provided or fails to comply with a condition or obligation imposed under this Act".

True but, again, in Section S.16 ... "16. (1) A person who makes an application must answer truthfully all questions put to them for the purpose of the examination and must produce a visa and all relevant evidence and documents that the officer reasonably requires."

and again, before one gets found guilty and sentenced in S.124 ... some questions for which the accused refused to reply may be shown as to not have any purpose wrt the examination ... not to mention the political damage said questions may cause before it even gets to court.

In reality, while I have found some of there questions a bit strange, I know that they have been asking perhaps to determine if there are inconsistencies in my story ... I've never been subjected to completely inappropriate questions and really wouldn't expect to be; I don't expect that the powers that be at CBSA would be very appreciative of the guys on the line asking these sorts of questions.

[cahk]

True but, again, in Section S.16 ... "16. (1) A person who makes an application must answer truthfully all questions put to them for the purpose of the examination and must produce a visa and all relevant evidence and documents that the officer reasonably requires."

and again, before one gets found guilty and sentenced in S.124 ... some questions for which the accused refused to reply may be shown as to not have any purpose wrt the examination ... not to mention the political damage said questions may cause before it even gets to court.

In reality, while I have found some of there questions a bit strange, I know that they have been asking perhaps to determine if there are inconsistencies in my story ... I've never been subjected to completely inappropriate questions and really wouldn't expect to be; I don't expect that the powers that be at CBSA would be very appreciative of the guys on the line asking these sorts of questions.

My point was in relation to DG's Q re: obligation to answer - of course it's subject to interpretation as to whether one can be found guilty or not. However, that does not change one's duty to answer all Qs asked by CBSA at the border. If you felt you have been mistreated, you can certainly ask to speak with the superintendent on duty.

[Pavel]

what fruits are allowed to bring into Canada from US? Last time we asked the border guy he said something like (I am not sure tho) "fruits without cores or seeds". I suggest we can make a list of what is allowed and what is not. Others can add on to the list. For example:

Allowed: All seedless (seedless grapes, banana, berries)
Not Allowed: All seeded (Apple, mango, peach, cherry )

I think a list is a great idea.


Here's a good page that has all the regulations compiled in one place. It's still a hit and miss though. For example, even though there are limits on things like dairy, our experience is most BSO's don't care to enforce it. The only thing we've ever encountered enforcement on is turkeys and only around American Thanksgiving (dirt cheap and everyone goes and grabs a couple to freeze ;) )....
http://www.crossbordershopping.ca/content/view/bringing-food-plant-animal-products-into-canada-12/

The site and CBSA site seems very "secretative" or the content buried deeply on what joe public can bring back to Canada in terms of exactly what fruits and vegetables they can bring from the USA


This is variable by province and changes so that isn't a helpful idea, no offense.

Then a footnote for each province if different...not an issue


Non taken. If that is the case, I would be interested in what fruits are allowed in BC. Seriously, I think there is no harm in having a separate thread for this. So many times, I have seen very nice fruits across (price is not the only criteria, sometimes you just love the quality) - but I dont bring them because of the uncertainty associated with whether I am allowed across or not.

Agreed


Also most of the crossings keep a list available in the office that is up to date, all you need to do is stop on the way down. Or look up what you want to buy on AIRS. There really aren't a lot of restrictions on right now.

What's AIRS? How do you interpret the AIRS results?


Most of the markets/grocery stores near the border that I use have that info. available for Canadian customers.
By way of signs attached to the individual dipslays of fruit, veg., etc.
If the stores you go to don't have this, try encouraging them to do so.

Because the restrictions vary over time, even within the growing season, a separate thread here would quickly get out-of-date and misleading.
The onus should be on the distributors and retailers to disseminate this info. - they are the ones closest to the fruit growing industry on boths sides of the border.
Canada Customs is just enforcing those 3rd. party restrictions that vary by time and geographically.

False. What is your source that the onus is on the retailers or distributors? They're selling produce in the USA for the US market. Do we have the same in Canada that says what Americans can bring across?

Tell them to make a list? Get real, the'yll just laugh in your face. Besides, which grocers have a list? Costco doesn't, Cost Cutter in Bellingham and Blaine doesn't. Wal-Mart Supercentre in Tulalip doesn't?

Even if the info get's outdated, which I doubt all the info would, most people will know that an item is forbidden and then choose not to buy that item or bring it across. That's the main point of the a thread that lists the info which could get updated accordingly.

[Beachdown]

I think a list is a great idea.



The site and CBSA site seems very "secretative" or the content buried deeply on what joe public can bring back to Canada in terms of exactly what fruits and vegetables they can bring from the USA


Then a footnote for each province if different...not an issue


What's AIRS? How do you interpret the AIRS results?


Even if the info get's outdated, which I doubt all the info would, most people will know that an item is forbidden and then choose not to buy that item or bring it across. That's the main point of the a thread that lists the info which could get updated accordingly.

Secretive? How do you figure that? CBSA has a "Before you go" webpage that links to AIRS, as well as many other useful information and tips on leaving and re-entering the country. DFAIT is another source of information. If you can't find answers there, pick up the phone and call.

AIRS is an automated database of import requirements for all food and plant products.

http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/imp/airse.shtml#

The onus is on the traveller to know what they can and can't bring back. As it should be.

[SiGEL]

Who do people use to forward freight to canada like lcd/plasma tvs that won't rape you on charges? I'm looking to purchase a couple tv's that are half price compared to here in canada.... free shipping withingusa or to forwarding company... then i would need them brought over the border and shipped to alberta, there's a few companies that do it, wondering if there are any hidden gems that ppl use.

[Doom4life]

Okay, I've been reading this thread and mad props to Ebola for taking the time to answer all these questions.

This last page is basically on topic with what I have a quesiton about:

I know that you have to answer all questions truthfully, but is there a point where a question becomes irrelevant to the subject? I get that I have to declare all of my goods and I may be asked where I bought them from, but if individual goods that I purchased start to get scrutinized and the CBSA officer starts asking question that in my opinion aren't relevant to CBSA is there a point I can just refuse to answer?

I'll give an example of what I am asking, although the goods are slightly different. Let's say I was to buy automotive parts and groceries in the USA because they are MUCH cheaper as compared to local parts stores. I obviously have to declare the part and whre I purcahsed it from. I've occasionally been asked why I bought a part in the USA versus Canada (which is a valid quesiton, IMO). But if I start getting hassled as to why can't I just go to a parts store (when I've already stated it's much cheaper) as it's a waste of time to go down to the USA (I come down for gas quite often so it's always worth it), what am I supposed to do? Keep in mind, that's a question and not a statement made by the CBSA officer.

So I was given a slip and sent inside with the value I declared (no big deal). But I get further harrased about other personal things. Now I am currently a student, so it's a fair question for them to ask what I do, how I paid for the vehicle I drive, etc. But are they allowed to ask me personal questions such as how much I made (hourly wage) at my last job and how much I had to set aside to currently support myself since I am unemployed and a student?

I'm asking this because I'm not trying to hide anything (I'd rather just keep my mouth shut and let them search my vehcicle if the end result is they are going to search it anyway), I am just looking for advice because I'm wondering if I should be answering these kinds of questions and how much detail they are allowed to ask.

[crazyproton]

Okay, I've been reading this thread and mad props to Ebola for taking the time to answer all these questions.

This last page is basically on topic with what I have a quesiton about:

I know that you have to answer all questions truthfully, but is there a point where a question becomes irrelevant to the subject? I get that I have to declare all of my goods and I may be asked where I bought them from, but if individual goods that I purchased start to get scrutinized and the CBSA officer starts asking question that in my opinion aren't relevant to CBSA is there a point I can just refuse to answer?

I'll give an example of what I am asking, although the goods are slightly different. Let's say I was to buy automotive parts and groceries in the USA because they are MUCH cheaper as compared to local parts stores. I obviously have to declare the part and whre I purcahsed it from. I've occasionally been asked why I bought a part in the USA versus Canada (which is a valid quesiton, IMO). But if I start getting hassled as to why can't I just go to a parts store (when I've already stated it's much cheaper) as it's a waste of time to go down to the USA (I come down for gas quite often so it's always worth it), what am I supposed to do? Keep in mind, that's a question and not a statement made by the CBSA officer.

So I was given a slip and sent inside with the value I declared (no big deal). But I get further harrased about other personal things. Now I am currently a student, so it's a fair question for them to ask what I do, how I paid for the vehicle I drive, etc. But are they allowed to ask me personal questions such as how much I made (hourly wage) at my last job and how much I had to set aside to currently support myself since I am unemployed and a student?

I'm asking this because I'm not trying to hide anything (I'd rather just keep my mouth shut and let them search my vehcicle if the end result is they are going to search it anyway), I am just looking for advice because I'm wondering if I should be answering these kinds of questions and how much detail they are allowed to ask.


You can always request to know how the questions are related to the CBSA acts. Also, you can request a senior manager to be presented. All those CBSA officers have their managers to answer to. I believe every action they perform on you they have to justify it with a legit reason. If after all you still feel your rights are being violated, you can request a third party authority to be presented. On the other hand, remember they ask you questions to simplify the border crossing process, they just don't want to search everyone and every car. It is just impossible to do so.

[Doom4life]

Thanks for the reply. I'll be sure to keep that in mind if I feel the questions don't have anything to do with the CBSA acts (eg the questions about my previous wage, current bills I pay, etc.). I definately agree that they ask questions to simplifiy the border corssing processes - however I have crossed hundreds of times (been doing it atleast every week for over five years with the MANY multiple trips in the same week), so I do believe I have a good feeling of genuine questions versus those that are just hassles with the intent of sending you in anyway (like I said, why does it matter why I didn't want to purchase something in Canada and I don't think the officer has a right to tell me that I should jsut go to a local store instead). I can tell pretty much most of the time when I am going inside to pay taxes and when I am not based on how they interact with me.

Like I said, I've got nothing to hide and would rather not waste my time or the CBSA's time answering questions that seem irrelevant when the intent is to search my vehicle.

[brunes]

But if I start getting hassled as to why can't I just go to a parts store (when I've already stated it's much cheaper) as it's a waste of time to go down to the USA (I come down for gas quite often so it's always worth it), what am I supposed to do? Keep in mind, that's a question and not a statement made by the CBSA officer.


This is a really strange line of questioning. It almost seems like the CBSA officer is trying to enforce some kind of personal protectionist agenda.



So I was given a slip and sent inside with the value I declared (no big deal). But I get further harrased about other personal things. Now I am currently a student, so it's a fair question for them to ask what I do, how I paid for the vehicle I drive, etc. But are they allowed to ask me personal questions such as how much I made (hourly wage) at my last job and how much I had to set aside to currently support myself since I am unemployed and a student?


This is also very strange as it is not pertinent at all.

Will be interested to hear feedback from Ebola.

[Cheap Cat]

I think sometimes they are just trying to talk to you to size you up. I was once asked all kinds of stupid questions including about my car and work. He asked who's car I was driving, implying that it was not my car. I have been crossing in my own car since I was 20 years, this was the first time someone implied that it was not my car. At this point in my life, I was offended that the guy thought I couldn't own my own car. He just kept asking questions but seemed fixated on something in the computer. Something may have come up (I don't know what) but while he was trying to figure it out, he kept asking questions. This was going into the US and it was the only time I had be stopped longer than usual.

[Doom4life]

I agree that sometimes questions are asked to size someone up. But IMO, questions like how much I made at my last job, what kind of bills I currently pay, why I couldn't purchase the item in Canada and that it seemed like a waste of time are all questions that I don't think help in sizing someone up. The most the US CBP officers have asked is how I support myself which is from money I saved. They didn't demand additional information.

Basically what happened was I pulled up to the booth and was given a slip to pay inside (usually it's marked with a "C" for cashier, but this time nothing was written down). I waited in line and an officer asked to see the slip and receipts. The officer then said he'd be right back and I was standing around for atleast five minutes while he was walking around trying to find someone and also had a "meeting' with 3-4 other officers. He then came back and told me to have a seat. After another five minutes two different officers called me and pulled me aside and started asking me questions (wage questions and other things).

[txenglan]

Just wanted to link to another thread where I outlined the experience I had in dealing with CBSA today. Not disastrous but not at all pleasant. Furthermore, considering the incredibly annoying lineup of cars back into Canada and the way Canadians and non-Canadians were being pulled over and interrogated for no apparent reason, the whole adventure made me ashamed to be Canadian.

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/where-buy-faucets-984268/2/#post12494806

[pinkcar]

What a bunch of Clowns these CBSA officers are. I went down and purchased $170 of goods, 120 which is food. They give me a yellow slip and I go inside to pay a grand total of $7.

The idiot even went through the receipts to find taxable items, he checked off 2-3 which amounted to $10.


Who trains and supervises these clowns???

[txenglan]

What a bunch of Clowns these CBSA officers are. I went down and purchased $170 of goods, 120 which is food. They give me a yellow slip and I go inside to pay a grand total of $7.

The idiot even went through the receipts to find taxable items, he checked off 2-3 which amounted to $10.


Who trains and supervises these clowns???

My guess would be Himmler. The fluffed out chests and the prancing around also supports this theory. The twits I ran into today would have been at home in a Lady Gaga video.

[canabiz]

Good times to be working at the borders or airports...just single out ethnic, non-English speaking women and you are all set...or maybe not

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-02-15/news/28619487_1_tsa-security-lane-carry-on-bags

[apn64]

What a bunch of Clowns these CBSA officers are. I went down and purchased $170 of goods, 120 which is food. They give me a yellow slip and I go inside to pay a grand total of $7.

The idiot even went through the receipts to find taxable items, he checked off 2-3 which amounted to $10.

Who trains and supervises these clowns???

+1 to this. I've had a similar, but not quite as extreme experience with this clown troupe.

I loathe this agency with a passion. Since I'm clearly not a security threat, their mandate is to extract the maximum amount of money from my wallet. Uniformed tax collectors, nothing more. My European relatives laugh at our puny personal exemptions.

IMHO, charging taxes on top of sales taxes already paid should be prohibited under NAFTA. Similarly, while it's specifically NOT listed in the I Declare booklet, the idiots at my favored crossing have granted themselves the right to collect taxes on US shipping fees. Where and how exactly does merchandise acquire value by virtue of traveling in the USA?

With the ascent of our dollar and unwillingness of consumers to participate in the Great Canadian Ripoff, it's evident that CBSA = Cross Border Shopping Annihilation

[Pavel]

Secretive? How do you figure that? CBSA has a "Before you go" webpage that links to AIRS, as well as many other useful information and tips on leaving and re-entering the country. DFAIT is another source of information. If you can't find answers there, pick up the phone and call.

AIRS is an automated database of import requirements for all food and plant products.

http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/imp/airse.shtml#

The onus is on the traveller to know what they can and can't bring back. As it should be.
Useless info to me in the above links. I am unable to navigate on the site. If there is any helpful info to me, it must be buried deep that only a professional importer/exporter or customs agent would know how to access. Calling CBSA? What have you been smoking? Their line always rings or it's busy. Onus on the traveller to know all the rules? Very good. Nice to know which side of the fence you're sitting on ;)

What a bunch of Clowns these CBSA officers are. I went down and purchased $170 of goods, 120 which is food. They give me a yellow slip and I go inside to pay a grand total of $7.

The idiot even went through the receipts to find taxable items, he checked off 2-3 which amounted to $10.

Who trains and supervises these clowns???
They're just tripping and maybe some of them even post on RFD ;)

[macnut]

.... Similarly, while it's specifically NOT listed in the I Declare booklet, the idiots at my favored crossing have granted themselves the right to collect taxes on US shipping fees. Where and how exactly does merchandise acquire value by virtue of traveling in the USA?


Your use of U.S. spelling is interesting, but CBSA officers have not granted themselves the right to collect taxes on U.S. shipping costs.

Ebola has tried to explain on a number of occasions how the Customs Act specifies the manner in which goods acquire value when shipped.

And how there are interpretation Memorandums for CBSA officers (D13 covers Valuation).

In most cases an officer will not even try to apply this, but if they do, they may well be correct in principle - even if we don't like it.
It gets into the difference between direct shipment (into Canada) and interrupted shipment.
If you really want to know, it is in here:

http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/dm-md/d13/d13-3-3-eng.pdf

Let's agree that it is in the legislation but not often invoked, so we don't need to keep bringing it up.
If you think it has been wrongly applied, you just have to put up with the inconvenience of appealing it.

[apn64]

Fair enough, macnut; but, if it is part of the legislation, then;

1) It should be documented in the I Declare book (as is the tax on tax scam), since the average traveler doesn't have access to CBSA interpretation memoranda.

2) An individual importing goods for personal use would have no recourse once the police academy dropout pulls out D13, rendering appeal useless.

Chalk up another victory for CBSA to continue its protectionist mandate.

[cahk]

Fair enough, macnut; but, if it is part of the legislation, then;

1) It should be documented in the I Declare book (as is the tax on tax scam), since the average traveler doesn't have access to CBSA interpretation memoranda.

2) An individual importing goods for personal use would have no recourse once the police academy dropout pulls out D13, rendering appeal useless.

Chalk up another victory for CBSA to continue its protectionist mandate.

Ignorance of the law is not an excuse (S.19 of the Code) - thousands of regulations are published each year, the government is under no obligation beyond putting it in the Gazette. The court ruled on this numerous times already (with some limited exception for other reasons). If you want to import something into Canada, regardless of personal or business reasons, it's your duty to find out the facts befondhand.

D-Memo is an additional resource, not the law on its own ....

[Pavel]

Just an update on the topic of what fresh fruit and vegetables you can bring into the Canada. CBSA discourages travellers from bringing in any fresh fruit or vegetables that's why the info is scarce.

The Automated Import Reference System (AIRS) is mainly for those businesses who do import and export. I called the Canadian Food Inspection Agency for a general list and the really helpful agent told me this is CBSAs jurisdiction. It was acknowledged that AIRS is not very user friendly for joe public and the lingo they used is not understood by the average consumer either. When I called CBSA, the CBSA agent said they discourage travellers bringing in any fresh fruit and vegetables. When I asked if there was a guide or a rule of thumb, I was advised to call Canadian Food Inspection Agency if I am uncomfortable navigating thru the AIRS website.

Ideally, if we can have a thread where people post where they're from and what fruit/vegetables they allowed or not allowed to bring back including which country would be helpful. Perhaps when someone goes into a Canada Customs office at the border, they can ask to see if there is a list available and post it online . Failing that, don't bring in any fruit or vegetables into Canada purchased in the US.

[Beachdown]

Useless info to me in the above links. I am unable to navigate on the site. If there is any helpful info to me, it must be buried deep that only a professional importer/exporter or customs agent would know how to access. Calling CBSA? What have you been smoking? Their line always rings or it's busy. Onus on the traveller to know all the rules? Very good. Nice to know which side of the fence you're sitting on ;)

They're just tripping and maybe some of them even post on RFD ;)

I'm neither an importer/exporter or a customs agent and I was easily able to navigate that site. I've also called CBSA, both the 800 number and the offices at YOW and while I had to wait a few minutes at the former, I've always gotten through.

I sit on the side of the fence that says it's in my best interests to be informed rather than have to go through a hassle at the border. I've had disastrous crossings , so I decided to never be in that position again. Some CBSA personnel can be real pricks about the world (when I was younger my car was ripped apart over a $5 trophy), some can be just as pleasant as can be (the woman at the Hill Island crossing that let me through without a passport a month ago). Since I can't pick and choose who I deal with, I make sure there's no ambiguity about what I have bought and am bringing home with me.

[Pavel]

Kudos! I spoke to CBSA Friday and they have many complaints on their site. Remember, just because you may find something easy or difficult, it doesn't mean that applies to everyone ;)

As far as fruits and vegetables go...the CBSA agent on the phone passed the buck to the Canada Food Agency. The CFA rep took my particulars down after speaking to her supervisor. She stated clearly that CBSA should be taking responsibility as this falls under their jurisdiction.

[crimsona]

Friend is visiting from the UK, thinking of hitting outlet malls in Seattle.

When we come back into Canada, how do we declare the total value of products purchased? Say I bought $200 and she bought $300 (no gifts, all leaving Canada when she leaves). Should I be declaring $200, or $500?

From my understanding only the $200 is taxable as I'm the only Canadian resident.

[rommelrommel]

Friend is visiting from the UK, thinking of hitting outlet malls in Seattle.

When we come back into Canada, how do we declare the total value of products purchased? Say I bought $200 and she bought $300 (no gifts, all leaving Canada when she leaves). Should I be declaring $200, or $500?

From my understanding only the $200 is taxable as I'm the only Canadian resident.

You declare "I bought 200 and my friend who lives in the UK buys 300."

Technically it's taxable upon import, and then she can apply for a refund on export. This is usually done when your friend from the UK buys a $3000 flat screen TV with your credit card that is supposedly going back to the UK, if you get my drift.

[rommelrommel]

Just an update on the topic of what fresh fruit and vegetables you can bring into the Canada. CBSA discourages travellers from bringing in any fresh fruit or vegetables that's why the info is scarce.

The Automated Import Reference System (AIRS) is mainly for those businesses who do import and export. I called the Canadian Food Inspection Agency for a general list and the really helpful agent told me this is CBSAs jurisdiction. It was acknowledged that AIRS is not very user friendly for joe public and the lingo they used is not understood by the average consumer either. When I called CBSA, the CBSA agent said they discourage travellers bringing in any fresh fruit and vegetables. When I asked if there was a guide or a rule of thumb, I was advised to call Canadian Food Inspection Agency if I am uncomfortable navigating thru the AIRS website.

Ideally, if we can have a thread where people post where they're from and what fruit/vegetables they allowed or not allowed to bring back including which country would be helpful. Perhaps when someone goes into a Canada Customs office at the border, they can ask to see if there is a list available and post it online . Failing that, don't bring in any fruit or vegetables into Canada purchased in the US.

At most of the crossings in the lower mainland there used to be a list that you could pick up on the way south. I don't know about the others anymore but Aldergrove has one.

The problem with trying to keep a list on RFD is that it changes, and it's regional. There are different regs in BC than there are in NB, mainly to do with local growing industries and what's currently "infected" on either side of the border.

[transitguy1]

I'm neither an importer/exporter or a customs agent and I was easily able to navigate that site. I've also called CBSA, both the 800 number and the offices at YOW and while I had to wait a few minutes at the former, I've always gotten through.

I sit on the side of the fence that says it's in my best interests to be informed rather than have to go through a hassle at the border. I've had disastrous crossings , so I decided to never be in that position again. Some CBSA personnel can be real pricks about the world (when I was younger my car was ripped apart over a $5 trophy), some can be just as pleasant as can be (the woman at the Hill Island crossing that let me through without a passport a month ago). Since I can't pick and choose who I deal with, I make sure there's no ambiguity about what I have bought and am bringing home with me.

How in the world can a border service let someone into the country without checking their passport/nationality?

No wonder we have so many illegals entering from USA into Canada, these CBSA officers need to start doing their jobs properly.

[cwb27]

How in the world can a border service let someone into the country without checking their passport/nationality?

No wonder we have so many illegals entering from USA into Canada, these CBSA officers need to start doing their jobs properly.

Maybe the person had their birth certificate? Or a Citizenship card? Both of which establish Citizenship but are no longer the "required" USA/Canada cross border proof of Citizenship.

From my readings of your other CBSA/border related posts, you are different kind of bird...

[rommelrommel]

How in the world can a border service let someone into the country without checking their passport/nationality?

No wonder we have so many illegals entering from USA into Canada, these CBSA officers need to start doing their jobs properly.

Please show me the law, regulation, etc that requires a Canadian Citizen to provide proof of their citizenship to enter Canada.

Or for that matter, the one requiring a US Citizen to proof of their citizenship to enter the USA...

[GTT1]

Please show me the law, regulation, etc that requires a Canadian Citizen to provide proof of their citizenship to enter Canada.

Or for that matter, the one requiring a US Citizen to proof of their citizenship to enter the USA...

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/media/facts-faits/060-eng.html

I believe the onus is on you to prove you are entitled to enter Canada. I am sure that the Government of Canada has enacted legislation (read laws) that entitle CBSA officers the right to request proof of citizenship if they deem it necessary and to deny entry if you cannot provide same on request.

[cahk]

Please show me the law, regulation, etc that requires a Canadian Citizen to provide proof of their citizenship to enter Canada.

Or for that matter, the one requiring a US Citizen to proof of their citizenship to enter the USA...

Immigration and Refugee Protection Act - the onus is on you to prove you are free to enter Canada
19. (1) Every Canadian citizen within the meaning of the Citizenship Act and every person registered as an Indian under the Indian Act has the right to enter and remain in Canada in accordance with this Act, and an officer shall allow the person to enter Canada if satisfied following an examination on their entry that the person is a citizen or registered Indian.
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/I-2.5/page-9.html

Immigration and Nationality Act
Except as otherwise provided by the President and subject to such limitations and exceptions as the President may authorize and prescribe, it shall be unlawful for any citizen of the United States to depart from or enter, or attempt to depart from or enter, the United States unless he bears a valid United States passport.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1185.html

[rommelrommel]

Immigration and Refugee Protection Act - the onus is on you to prove you are free to enter Canada
19. (1) Every Canadian citizen within the meaning of the Citizenship Act and every person registered as an Indian under the Indian Act has the right to enter and remain in Canada in accordance with this Act, and an officer shall allow the person to enter Canada if satisfied following an examination on their entry that the person is a citizen or registered Indian.
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/I-2.5/page-9.html

The onus is on you, but a verbal declaration is still acceptable. Or a ragged old birth cert along with your Costco card. (Note, I am not encouraging dumbass moves like these)

Immigration and Nationality Act
Except as otherwise provided by the President and subject to such limitations and exceptions as the President may authorize and prescribe, it shall be unlawful for any citizen of the United States to depart from or enter, or attempt to depart from or enter, the United States unless he bears a valid United States passport.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1185.html

That one I may have to look into, as I've been told that it's uninforcible as US citizens enter their country by right, just as we do. I know that many people are still holding out and crossing the boarder.

[cahk]

That one I may have to look into, as I've been told that it's uninforcible as US citizens enter their country by right, just as we do. I know that many people are still holding out and crossing the boarder.

There is a distinction between laws that are unenforceable (i.e. unconstitutional) vs. laws that are laxly enforced.

Canadian Citizens have the right to enter Canada, AFTER they have satisfied themselves to be such. This is, by no means, you can enter Canada without showing some proof of citizenship. The qualifier in the legislation made that point clear.

[rommelrommel]

There is a distinction between laws that are unenforceable (i.e. unconstitutional) vs. laws that are laxly enforced.

Canadian Citizens have the right to enter Canada, AFTER they have satisfied themselves to be such. This is, by no means, you can enter Canada without showing some proof of citizenship. The qualifier in the legislation made that point clear.

Yes, you can. A verbal declaration and explanation can satisfy an officer. If someone has their passport stolen while cross-border shopping do you think that they necessarily need to be sent to the consulate to get a temporary passport to re-enter Canada?

[cwb27]

Yes, you can. A verbal declaration and explanation can satisfy an officer. If someone has their passport stolen while cross-border shopping do you think that they necessarily need to be sent to the consulate to get a temporary passport to re-enter Canada?

A verbal declaration is still subject to verification, be it further questioning, computer checks, etc...

[transitguy1]

Maybe the person had their birth certificate? Or a Citizenship card? Both of which establish Citizenship but are no longer the "required" USA/Canada cross border proof of Citizenship.

From my readings of your other CBSA/border related posts, you are different kind of bird...

I guess that's good, eh.

[ruchir]

Sorry, I have asked this question on a different thread but I guess this thread is more relevant place to ask. So, here I am reposting. Would really appreciate if EBOLA or someone else answer this. Thank you. :)

I am visiting US with my wife and son for 2 days and on the return we will buy tires worth $1200 USD from US for our family car. I know we can get personal exemption from HST and Custom Duty ($400 per person X 3 = $1200).

However, I am not sure if my son (who is only 7 years) would be able to use personal exemption on tires since he cannot drive and therefore the tires are not for his personal use.

Rules directly from the Canadian Border Service Agency website:

“Even young children and infants are entitled to a personal exemption. As a parent or guardian, you can make a declaration to the CBSA for a child as long as the goods you are declaring are for the child's use.”

Does this mean my son cannot claim tires on his declaration?

“You cannot combine your personal exemptions with another person's or transfer them to someone else.”

Does this mean three of us (my wife, my son and I) cannot apply our personal exemptions to the tires that are $1200 USD on one invoice? The invoice has both my wife’s and my name on it. Both my wife and I would be using the tires that we will put on our family cars. In this case are we combining the personal exemptions?

"In general, the goods you include in your personal exemption must be for your personal or household use."

Since the tires are for household use (family car), could I spilt the cost and declare one-third on my son’s personal exemption since he is benefiting from the tires? I know this is a stretch but technically all members of the household including my son benefit from the use of tires on our family car.

[macnut]

This has been answered before by Ebola and/or Rommel, so in case they are busy enjoying their turkeys, or working in their kiosks:

- up to individual border officers, but doubtful any would allow your 7-year old's exemption to be used for the family vehicle's tires

- most would allow your wife and you to claim 2 tires each

- a few might deny any such pooling of exemptions

- a few might send you on your way anyway, regardless of how busy they are in the office

Therefore, just keep it simple and declare how much the family has spent.
If further questions are asked on expenditures, don't try and present a case for them to bend the rules -
let them do that if they choose to.

[crimsona]

My situation was a total non-starter, ended up declaring $500 resident, $200 non-resident, 12 hour trip, just waved through at 2 am

[canabiz]

We were in Pennsylvania over the weekend and got some pretty good savings.

I picked up a pair of New Balance shoes on clearance for $49.99, no tax and duties as the CBSA officer simply waived us through. The exact same pair of shoes and I mean exact model and colour is selling for $89.99 at Sports Experts and that is before the 13% HST.

My wife bought a big Calphalon frying pan on clearance for $49.99, again no tax and duties. The Bay is having a smaller model *on sale* for $89.99, regular price is $179.99. It is almost laughable but there is not much we can do but to vote with our wallet and feet!

[1226]

We were in Pennsylvania over the weekend and got some pretty good savings.

I picked up a pair of New Balance shoes on clearance for $49.99, no tax and duties as the CBSA officer simply waived us through. The exact same pair of shoes and I mean exact model and colour is selling for $89.99 at Sports Experts and that is before the 13% HST.

My wife bought a big Calphalon frying pan on clearance for $49.99, again no tax and duties. The Bay is having a smaller model *on sale* for $89.99, regular price is $179.99. It is almost laughable but there is not much we can do but to vote with our wallet and feet!

Weird, no sales tax on shoes in Pennsylvania.

[canabiz]

Weird, no sales tax on shoes in Pennsylvania.

Nope, nothing whatsoever, the price on the pair is $49.99 and that's what the clerk rang up at the cash. Not sure if it made any difference but I bought the shoes at a factory outlet and did let the clerk know I am from Canada.

I threw away my old pair and put on the new one right away but still kept the receipt in case I need to present to CBSA officers. That didn't happen and I saved at least $60 right there and then.

[apn64]

Weird, no sales tax on shoes in Pennsylvania.

Same goes for all items of clothing, too :)

The few items that are taxed in PA are generally levied at 6% = quite a bit lower than the 8.75% in NY

We always make a point of stopping at the mall when passing through PA :)

[1226]

Same goes for all items of clothing, too :)

The few items that are taxed in PA are generally levied at 6% = quite a bit lower than the 8.75% in NY

We always make a point of stopping at the mall when passing through PA :)

Nice, makes me want to head down to Oregon...

[apn64]

Nice, makes me want to head down to Oregon...

Which I fondly recall from my days of living out West, has ZERO sales tax on anything. Used to regularly hit the outlets * Canyon east of Portland and the one south on I5.

Many fond memories of Cannon Beach, too.

Still, we have the option of New Hampshire out here, but it's a much longer drive than NY and PA.

[1226]

Which I fondly recall from my days of living out West, has ZERO sales tax on anything. Used to regularly hit the outlets * Canyon east of Portland and the one south on I5.

Many fond memories of Cannon Beach, too.

Hey, me too. Went down the coast (including Cannon Beach) probably 3 or 4 times as a kid in the 80's. Good times. Probably went as far south as North Bend. I remember taking that Tillamook cheese factory tour more than once. :lol:

Haven't been back as an adult though. Haven't had to buy anything in the states large enough to make the tax savings outweigh the extra gas.

[Tijuana]

What about if an ameri-friend brings stuff over to you? I believe they have like a $60 exemption limit? Does that mean they can bring like 5 1gb shuffles without paying anything on them? Would you need receipts to prove how much they cost?

[canabiz]

Nice page here with info about 5 states with no sales tax. In no particular order

http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/states-with-no-sales-taxes-2.aspx

Alaska
Delaware
Montana
New Hampshire
Oregon

Of these, I suspect New Hampshire, Montana and Oregon are most popular to Canadians, due to their close proximity to us.

I may just make another trip to New Hampshire this fall (about 6 hours from Ottawa) to pick up some winter gear. Will see how the loonie does then.

[rommelrommel]

What about if an ameri-friend brings stuff over to you? I believe they have like a $60 exemption limit? Does that mean they can bring like 5 1gb shuffles without paying anything on them? Would you need receipts to prove how much they cost?

They can bring you gifts, not your purchases. 5 ipods as gifts would likely at least raise an eyebrow. Receipts might be requested.

[updownaround]

My girlfriend and I are looking to do a weekend of shopping down in the USA. Due to driving times, we don't want to drive THAT much, so anywhere too far out of the way is out of the question. Also, we're leaving from Toronto.

I just wanted to get some feedback on the following malls:

- Galleria Mall (just outside Buffalo NY)
- Premium Outlets (Waterloo NY)
- Premium Outlets (Grove City PA)

Are they good? bad? preference? Even some good hotels in the area would be great to know. Thanks RFD!

[deltone]

My girlfriend and I are looking to do a weekend of shopping down in the USA. Due to driving times, we don't want to drive THAT much, so anywhere too far out of the way is out of the question. Also, we're leaving from Toronto.

I just wanted to get some feedback on the following malls:

- Galleria Mall (just outside Buffalo NY)
- Premium Outlets (Waterloo NY)
- Premium Outlets (Grove City PA)

Are they good? bad? preference? Even some good hotels in the area would be great to know. Thanks RFD!

I shop in the Buffalo area a lot and I always stay in a hotel on Transit Road, near the Galleria Mall. It's called Salvatores Garden Place Hotel and can be easily found by googling. BEAUTIFUL hotel and if you stay there you won't be sorry. I personally don't care for the outlet mall in Niagara Falls but I'm not a fan of the outlets anymore. I find them overpriced but to each his own. Not familiar with the Waterloo one you refer to and the Grove City one is a lot further away than the Galleria. The Galleria is across the street from Burlington Coat Factory which is a good store, albeit pretty messy and untidy but some great deals. Also, on Transit Road there is a Steinmart store which is well worth looking into.

While in Bufflao, a great restaurant to check out is Carrabbas, again, can be found by googling. Fabulous restaurant (chain). Have fun and be safe.

[sksman]

Occasionally Ive found some US companies I want to buy from but they wont ship to Canada.

Theres a company in Sweet Grass Montana that allows you to use their address and send the mail to them.

I can either drive down to sweet grass and pick it up from them, or i can pay them a little extra, and theyll ship it from them to me!

Much easier than driving to Florida to buy something!

Heres their site

http://www.montanashipping.com/montana_shipping_003.htm

[Homer88]

Does anyone know if the CBSA Office at Pearson Terminal 3 is opened 24 hours? I would like to obtain a Form Y38 for a couple of items before flying.

[rapidfire5]

I'm planning to drive to Buffalo this summer to do some shopping. The car I will be driving is under my moms name, any type of paper works do i need to bring?

thanks

[al3x89]

I'm planning to drive to Buffalo this summer to do some shopping. The car I will be driving is under my moms name, any type of paper works do i need to bring?

thanks

no. just bring the registration and insurance papers incase you get pulled over.

[LondonOntGuy]

I'll give an example of what I am asking, although the goods are slightly different. Let's say I was to buy automotive parts and groceries in the USA because they are MUCH cheaper as compared to local parts stores. I obviously have to declare the part and whre I purcahsed it from. I've occasionally been asked why I bought a part in the USA versus Canada (which is a valid quesiton, IMO). But if I start getting hassled as to why can't I just go to a parts store (when I've already stated it's much cheaper) as it's a waste of time to go down to the USA (I come down for gas quite often so it's always worth it), what am I supposed to do? Keep in mind, that's a question and not a statement made by the CBSA officer.

So I was given a slip and sent inside with the value I declared (no big deal). But I get further harrased about other personal things. Now I am currently a student, so it's a fair question for them to ask what I do, how I paid for the vehicle I drive, etc. But are they allowed to ask me personal questions such as how much I made (hourly wage) at my last job and how much I had to set aside to currently support myself since I am unemployed and a student?

I'm asking this because I'm not trying to hide anything (I'd rather just keep my mouth shut and let them search my vehcicle if the end result is they are going to search it anyway), I am just looking for advice because I'm wondering if I should be answering these kinds of questions and how much detail they are allowed to ask.

They're power tripping goons, that's the reason. They get off on harassing good people that have done nothing wrong. I've heard the guards in Windsor are a special breed of arseholes that are worse than the ones coming into Sarnia via Port Huron.

[Jin-n-Juice]

Does anyone know if the CBSA Office at Pearson Terminal 3 is opened 24 hours? I would like to obtain a Form Y38 for a couple of items before flying.

No. I think it opens around 6 or 7 (I cant remember exactly). Dunno what time it closes. I just remember it was closed when I had an early flight

[Homer88]

No. I think it opens around 6 or 7 (I cant remember exactly). Dunno what time it closes. I just remember it was closed when I had an early flight

Damn... is there another place I can get the Y28 from? I've looked at the list of CBSA offices and it doesn't seem like theres anything in the GTA...

[rapidfire5]

no. just bring the registration and insurance papers incase you get pulled over.

thanks:)

[Beachdown]

Does anyone know if the CBSA Office at Pearson Terminal 3 is opened 24 hours? I would like to obtain a Form Y38 for a couple of items before flying.


Damn... is there another place I can get the Y28 from? I've looked at the list of CBSA offices and it doesn't seem like theres anything in the GTA...

Do you want a Y38 or Y28?

The Traveller Services office at Pearson is open 24 hours. I'd suggest you call BIS (1 800 461-9999) and ask to make sure you can get what you need. You could also go to the airport anytime before you leave to get one.

[a in yul]

Do you want a Y38 or Y28?

The Traveller Services office at Pearson is open 24 hours. I'd suggest you call BIS (1 800 461-9999) and ask to make sure you can get what you need. You could also go to the airport anytime before you leave to get one.

whats Y28 for..?

[Homer88]

Do you want a Y38 or Y28?

The Traveller Services office at Pearson is open 24 hours. I'd suggest you call BIS (1 800 461-9999) and ask to make sure you can get what you need. You could also go to the airport anytime before you leave to get one.

Oops sorry that was a typo, its supposed to be the Y38, the one where I declare the items I have in my possession before I leave the country. I'll call that number and ask, thanks!

[Tijuana]

Is there an official list of what dietary supplements are prohibited from importing? Is there a difference between importing and being in possession?

[psydev]

Questions I have been asked by CBSA guards:

-What is your occupation?
When I have reported that I was currently unemployed:
-How did you pay for this trip?
-What was your previous job?
-Where did you work?
-How many months ago did you work?
...
-[Someone else said they got asked their hourly wages...]

While you are required to answer all "relevant questions" which the CBSA needs to execute its duties, I'm curious how these questions are necessary.
Are they trying to determine if you are a criminal? (i.e. rely on unreported income) or are poor? Perhaps to stereotype if you are likely to be smuggling something? I really can't think of any good reason. It doesn't seem like lack of employment could constitute reasonable grounds for a further strip search, could it? So what's the point?


You can always request to know how the questions are related to the CBSA acts. Also, you can request a senior manager to be presented. All those CBSA officers have their managers to answer to.
I asked the agent if the questions were really relevant but got no answer, and he just sent me to secondary inspection immediately. Honestly though, who wants to invoke the ire of CBSA agents who are sometimes known for power tripping? I have talked to senior managers before and they don't really care about much. It's their job to protect their underlings from criticism, generally (aside from extreme situations).
I doubt a front-line officer has any clue how the questions are related to the CBSA acts. The wording of the law is vague and it seems very open to interpretation what constitutes "material facts relating to a relevant matter that induces or could induce an error in the administration of this Act". I don't really feel like wasting time and energy in their secondary screening room, arguing with them about why I don't want to reveal that I'm unemployed or living off my parents or on welfare or [insert reason to be embarassed here].

I would like it if they made a public statement about what exactly you are not required to answer.

[woobie]

Questions I have been asked by CBSA guards:

-What is your occupation?
When I have reported that I was currently unemployed:
-How did you pay for this trip?
-What was your previous job?
-Where did you work?
-How many months ago did you work?



We've been asked
Where are you going and for how long?
Is this your car?
Where do you work?
Still working there (a few years later lol)?
Ever been convicted of a crime?
Why are you grocery shopping so early(6:30am sunday)?
Any alcohol or tobacco (going into the US) I had to laugh at that one

We've gotten the odd "gruff" guy or dickhead as my wife says, but the majority of time we cross there are fine, sometimes even laughing or joking around.

[cwb27]

Questions I have been asked by CBSA guards:

-What is your occupation?
When I have reported that I was currently unemployed:
-How did you pay for this trip?
-What was your previous job?
-Where did you work?
-How many months ago did you work?
...
-[Someone else said they got asked their hourly wages...]

While you are required to answer all "relevant questions" which the CBSA needs to execute its duties, I'm curious how these questions are necessary.
Are they trying to determine if you are a criminal? (i.e. rely on unreported income) or are poor? Perhaps to stereotype if you are likely to be smuggling something? I really can't think of any good reason. It doesn't seem like lack of employment could constitute reasonable grounds for a further strip search, could it? So what's the point?


I asked the agent if the questions were really relevant but got no answer, and he just sent me to secondary inspection immediately. Honestly though, who wants to invoke the ire of CBSA agents who are sometimes known for power tripping? I have talked to senior managers before and they don't really care about much. It's their job to protect their underlings from criticism, generally (aside from extreme situations).
I doubt a front-line officer has any clue how the questions are related to the CBSA acts. The wording of the law is vague and it seems very open to interpretation what constitutes "material facts relating to a relevant matter that induces or could induce an error in the administration of this Act". I don't really feel like wasting time and energy in their secondary screening room, arguing with them about why I don't want to reveal that I'm unemployed or living off my parents or on welfare or [insert reason to be embarassed here].

I would like it if they made a public statement about what exactly you are not required to answer.

I'm not going to answer every one of your questions.

However, asking a person about how they get money for the trip they've been on is VERY (VERY!) common and is most often seen in airports. Without going into much detail (for obvious reasons) a very common method drug/gun/currency smugglers use is to find low income/unemployed people, pay them some money, have them out of the country for a few days on "vacation" then send them back with the contraband goods while paying all costs for their mule.

IMO, the problem here is your naivety to the world.

[GTT1]

We've been asked
Where are you going and for how long?
Is this your car?
Where do you work?
Still working there (a few years later lol)?
Ever been convicted of a crime?
Why are you grocery shopping so early(6:30am sunday)?
Any alcohol or tobacco (going into the US) I had to laugh at that one

We've gotten the odd "gruff" guy or dickhead as my wife says, but the majority of time we cross there are fine, sometimes even laughing or joking around.

Those sound like questions of the US border guys not our friendly CBSA ;)

[Beachdown]

Those sound like questions of the US border guys not our friendly CBSA ;)

I was going to say the same thing. CBSA wouldn't be asking where you're going, they'd ask where you're coming from and how long you were away. Are you sure you guys aren't mixing up who you're actually dealing with?

[woobie]

Those sound like questions of the US border guys not our friendly CBSA ;)

lol your right my bad, all but the convicted of a crime and work questions I've been asked crossing either direction though.

[cwb27]

lol your right my bad, all but the convicted of a crime and work questions I've been asked crossing either direction though.

I missed your post earlier... You will (usually!) not be asked about any criminal history questions by Canadian BSOs at the Primary Inspection (the booth), this line of questioning is reserved for Secondary Inspections.

The rest seem fairly normal.

[Krakilin0405]

What about children clothes and shoes etc? In Ontario they are exempt from HST (only required to pay the GST part which is 5%). When you cross the border, do you need to tell them total about of things that shoudl be charged 13% tax, and list of items that are only GST?

[rommelrommel]

It can be helpful if you say I have XXX amount of clothing and XXX of that is children's clothing. Just make sure you declare everything.

[scoop]

Im considering traveling to Buffalo to pick up 12 panels of these http://www.palramamericas.com/Suntuf

They cost $71 in Canada at Rona, or $32 at Home Depot in the States for the exact same thing. Would save me about $450 not including taxes. How do I figure out what my duty/taxes would be at the border for something like this?

[Beachdown]

Im considering traveling to Buffalo to pick up 12 panels of these http://www.palramamericas.com/Suntuf

They cost $71 in Canada at Rona, or $32 at Home Depot in the States for the exact same thing. Would save me about $450 not including taxes. How do I figure out what my duty/taxes would be at the border for something like this?

If it's made in North America, you'll pay HST, no duty.

[a in yul]

what happens if we enter the country in province B; and home is province A; do we pay provincial taxes according to point of entry or point of residence..?

thx!

[rommelrommel]

According to residence.

[a in yul]

According to residence.

OK, makes sense, thanks for your time!

[Stock R]

According to residence.

Not true. You pay GST upon entrance and you are to remit (on your own aka never) the provincial portion of the tax.

I've entered through QC before and paid only GST since I live in ON.

[Beachdown]

Not true. You pay GST upon entrance and you are to remit (on your own aka never) the provincial portion of the tax.

I've entered through QC before and paid only GST since I live in ON.

From the CBSA website:


"You may also have to pay the PST if you live in a province where the CBSA has an agreement to collect the tax and you return to Canada through that province."

[rommelrommel]

Interesting, I rarely do entries for out of BC residents but I remember collecting both taxes for ON pre HST, with all the HST provinces I guess only MB, SK, and QC have provincial sales taxes now. I'll check up on this and get back to the thread.

[rommelrommel]

Confirmed, if it's an HST province we collect the full HST, if a GST province we just collect the GST, no PST.

[lilhoe]

Does anyone know if the CBSA Office at Pearson Terminal 3 is opened 24 hours? I would like to obtain a Form Y38 for a couple of items before flying.

We're open 5:30am - 11:30pm 7 days a week @ T3 (info counter located at the far west end of the terminal, arrivals level by java joes cafe).

[transitguy1]

Why doesn't CBSA stamp passports of people departing Canada?

What is the problem in implementing passport control on exits? Is it a money issue? OR they don't know how to do it?

[xstatik]

Why doesn't CBSA stamp passports of people departing Canada?

What is the problem in implementing passport control on exits? Is it a money issue? OR they don't know how to do it?

What's the point, you forget that the CBSA is a TAX COLLECTION AND RIP OFF Agency, can't collect much taxes on people leaving, (unless they want to start taxing that too).

[cwb27]

Why doesn't CBSA stamp passports of people departing Canada?

What is the problem in implementing passport control on exits? Is it a money issue? OR they don't know how to do it?

People as in...? Residents? Foreign Nationals?

Mexico and other super tourist countries do it usually to because it's a confirmation that the tourist visa/passes/etc... have been reclaimed and you're "allowed" to leave the country.

[cwb27]

What's the point, you forget that the CBSA is a TAX COLLECTION AND RIP OFF Agency, can't collect much taxes on people leaving, (unless they want to start taxing that too).

Bad day?

[rommelrommel]

Why doesn't CBSA stamp passports of people departing Canada?

What is the problem in implementing passport control on exits? Is it a money issue? OR they don't know how to do it?

Because Canadians don't want exit controls, obviously.

[rommelrommel]

What's the point, you forget that the CBSA is a TAX COLLECTION AND RIP OFF Agency, can't collect much taxes on people leaving, (unless they want to start taxing that too).

umad bra?

[Pavel]

Which I fondly recall from my days of living out West, has ZERO sales tax on anything. Used to regularly hit the outlets * Canyon east of Portland and the one south on I5..
We've been to the Woodburne Outlets, but Canyon? Google doesnt show up any outlets with that name. Where abouts is that?

[apn64]

We've been to the Woodburne Outlets, but Canyon? Google doesnt show up any outlets with that name. Where abouts is that?

Ah yes, Woodburn Company Stores is the one we prefer, but we often went to Columbia Gorge Premium Outlets (mixed up canyon and gorge ;)), located ~20Km east of downtown Portland on #84 at Troutdale.

[doublealex]

I referred to this thread within this forum as there appears to be much knowledge here about the CBSA. Here's my story ...

- Crossed over the Rainbow Bridge recently @ NF with wife and two small kids for a day at Darien Lake
- Had some boxes in the back of the SUV from work which I had forgotten about which contained router type devices for condo units
- Wife loaded up the truck and didn't say anything about it; off we went
- Crossed into the US without declaring as I had no idea the boxes were there
- Realized when we arrived @ Darien Lake boxes were there
- Long line at the border coming back (2hr wait); kids sleeping; no invoices, bills, docs with me showing the boxes were shipped to / originated from Ontario
- Wife and I decided best route to take was to declare nothing (as we had done coming into the US) and hope for the best
- Agent asked me to open rear; off to inspection we go
- Inspector was nice enough, however didn't quite believe my story at first; ordered us out of the truck; full search of vehicle
- Inspector found some unrelated paperwork that he thought was connected to the boxes being received in the US, he got very aggravated and demanded I present receipts, I advised he was looking at something unrelated, he calmed down
- Inspector suggested without any paperwork on the merchandize my vehicle would probably be impounded, after some dialog and my 4 & 7yr old making their bed on the pavement (it was now 2am), he suggested IF they could find the values of the merchandize on-line maybe we could work something out.
- Around 3am Inspector presented me with a statement to sign regarding the incident, and seizure-infraction billing for 25% of the value of goods based on what he found on-line (aprox $2,000)
- Agreed to sign statement and pay (I had to get my kids out of there, this was totally my fault and not fair to them at all.)

So here are my questions to the experts:
+ If I choose not to appeal for fear of repercussions from my employer when asking for the pertinent docs (those boxes should have been left in the office over the weekend), is this type of infraction at the level where I should now expect an intense inspection each time I enter and return to and from the US?
+ If I appeal and successfully win, will notes still remain on my file and therefore leave me in almost the same position (aside from retrieving my $2K?)

By the end of my dealings with the inspector, I was picking up a vibe from him that he realized this was all a big screw up on my part but with no intent. He encouraged me to appeal. Problem is the appeal may cost me more in the long run with my career than the $2K I'm already into this for. However, I'm loosing sleep over what will happen each time I need to travel for work now ... Will I be the guy in the group that will hold everyone up? Will I need to give myself an extra hour or more to plan for inspections on the way into the US?

Any feedback would be much appreciated.

DAlex.

[squall458]

I referred to this thread within this forum as there appears to be much knowledge here about the CBSA. Here's my story ...

- Crossed over the Rainbow Bridge recently @ NF with wife and two small kids for a day at Darien Lake
- Had some boxes in the back of the SUV from work which I had forgotten about which contained router type devices for condo units
- Wife loaded up the truck and didn't say anything about it; off we went
- Crossed into the US without declaring as I had no idea the boxes were there
- Realized when we arrived @ Darien Lake boxes were there
- Long line at the border coming back (2hr wait); kids sleeping; no invoices, bills, docs with me showing the boxes were shipped to / originated from Ontario
- Wife and I decided best route to take was to declare nothing (as we had done coming into the US) and hope for the best
- Agent asked me to open rear; off to inspection we go
- Inspector was nice enough, however didn't quite believe my story at first; ordered us out of the truck; full search of vehicle
- Inspector found some unrelated paperwork that he thought was connected to the boxes being received in the US, he got very aggravated and demanded I present receipts, I advised he was looking at something unrelated, he calmed down
- Inspector suggested without any paperwork on the merchandize my vehicle would probably be impounded, after some dialog and my 4 & 7yr old making their bed on the pavement (it was now 2am), he suggested IF they could find the values of the merchandize on-line maybe we could work something out.
- Around 3am Inspector presented me with a statement to sign regarding the incident, and seizure-infraction billing for 25% of the value of goods based on what he found on-line (aprox $2,000)
- Agreed to sign statement and pay (I had to get my kids out of there, this was totally my fault and not fair to them at all.)

So here are my questions to the experts:
+ If I choose not to appeal for fear of repercussions from my employer when asking for the pertinent docs (those boxes should have been left in the office over the weekend), is this type of infraction at the level where I should now expect an intense inspection each time I enter and return to and from the US?
+ If I appeal and successfully win, will notes still remain on my file and therefore leave me in almost the same position (aside from retrieving my $2K?)

By the end of my dealings with the inspector, I was picking up a vibe from him that he realized this was all a big screw up on my part but with no intent. He encouraged me to appeal. Problem is the appeal may cost me more in the long run with my career than the $2K I'm already into this for. However, I'm loosing sleep over what will happen each time I need to travel for work now ... Will I be the guy in the group that will hold everyone up? Will I need to give myself an extra hour or more to plan for inspections on the way into the US?

Any feedback would be much appreciated.

DAlex.


I am glad you are at least the sensible type. You paid to get out of their for your kids sake, you didnt blame the agents, who were doing their job and IMO were being really hard on you. I am not expert and I am simply making this up from the top of my head but can you do an appeal and not ask for any money back. Appeal and simply state you want your record wiped? From the sound of it, you want the clean record more than the money that was charged against you. Either way, good luck to you!

[crazyproton]

What are those items? Do they look fairly new?

[antigua1999]

For all you posters that have questions about the questions being asked when entering the USA or coming back to Canada i can shed a little light.
One of my very good customers was a US border guard that lived in Mississauga for over 10 years at the time. He just loved Canada and Mississauga. He would leave for work about 2 hours before his shift and drive back to Mississauga when his shift was over. We got talking one day about some of the questions being asked when crossing the borders. His answer back to me was, when they ask a question they aren`t really interested in the answer but the reaction when the question is asked. example does the person hesitate with the answer, does the person look away, does the person appear agitated etc.
They look for changes in breathing, changes in facial expression and difference than when the person first drove up. If your telling the truth nothing much changes but if you are lying your body gives it away. I hope this helps.

[doublealex]

What are those items? Do they look fairly new?

- they were ethernet-over-coax set top devices
- in unopened boxes; yes new

[KDSet]

So here are my questions to the experts:
+ If I choose not to appeal for fear of repercussions from my employer when asking for the pertinent docs (those boxes should have been left in the office over the weekend), is this type of infraction at the level where I should now expect an intense inspection each time I enter and return to and from the US?
+ If I appeal and successfully win, will notes still remain on my file and therefore leave me in almost the same position (aside from retrieving my $2K?)
DAlex.


False declarations and the seizure of goods

If you do not declare goods, or if you falsely declare them, the CBSA can seize the goods. This means that you may lose the goods permanently or that you may have to pay a penalty to get them back. Depending on the type of goods and the circumstances involved, the CBSA may impose a penalty that ranges from 25% to 80% of the value of the seized goods.

In addition, the Customs Act provides border services officers with the authority to seize all vehicles that were used to import goods unlawfully. When this happens, the CBSA imposes a penalty that you must pay before the vehicle is returned to you.

If you do not declare tobacco products and alcoholic beverages at the time of importation, the CBSA will seize them permanently.

A record of infractions is kept in the CBSA computer system. If you have an infraction record, you may have to undergo a more detailed examination on future trips. You may also become ineligible for the NEXUS and CANPASS programs.

If your goods were seized and you disagree with the action taken, you can appeal by writing a letter to the CBSA within 90 days of the date of the seizure. You can find more information about the appeal process on your seizure receipt form.

Source: http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5056-eng.html#s4x5

I hope this helps somewhat, it sounds like an honest mistake. If you appeal, and they rule in your favour, then there wouldn't be any infractions on record to warrant a thorough inspection everytime you cross the border.

[psyko514]

I'm travelling to the US this weekend with my 20 year old step-sister. If I buy her a bottle of liquor in the US, can she declare it upon re-entry to Quebec? She is of legal drinking age here but not in the US.

[Tijuana]

I'm travelling to the US this weekend with my 20 year old step-sister. If I buy her a bottle of liquor in the US, can she declare it upon re-entry to Quebec? She is of legal drinking age here but not in the US.

Yes. If anything you will have to buy it for her, but she will be able to declare it under her name.

[azn_dan]

just asking for some clarification,

my wife and i are planning a trip to buffalo this weekend and though we usually stay 2 nights/ 48 hours. We decided that maybe doing a one day trip and claiming everything back would be a "cheaper" route.

My question is, the original post here states that for being charged duty and traveling by land, you would be charged the US Tariff which would equate to no duty and with me only paying the taxes applicable? Or would i be stuck in the worst case scenario of being charged tax + duty ~30%? (assuming most of this stuff is being made in asia)

The things i am bringing back are about 400$ worth and consists of childrens clothing, running shoes, womens clothing and supplements.

Any advice is highly appreciated.

Thanks.

[doberman_baby]

just asking for some clarification,

my wife and i are planning a trip to buffalo this weekend and though we usually stay 2 nights/ 48 hours. We decided that maybe doing a one day trip and claiming everything back would be a "cheaper" route.

My question is, the original post here states that for being charged duty and traveling by land, you would be charged the US Tariff which would equate to no duty and with me only paying the taxes applicable? Or would i be stuck in the worst case scenario of being charged tax + duty ~30%? (assuming most of this stuff is being made in asia)

The things i am bringing back are about 400$ worth and consists of childrens clothing, running shoes, womens clothing and supplements.

Any advice is highly appreciated.

Thanks.

There are no exemptions for day trips (< 24hours). All depends on the CBSA agent of whether you are sent in to pay the duties and taxes. 24 hour only allows a $50 exemption, but with a condition that the amount being brought back is under $50. IF > $50, you lose the $50 exemption. Therefore, the best deal is 48 hours where you get $400 exemption and you don't lose it even if you spend over $400.

Again, it all depends on the CBSA agent.

[queenofhearts]

just asking for some clarification,

my wife and i are planning a trip to buffalo this weekend and though we usually stay 2 nights/ 48 hours. We decided that maybe doing a one day trip and claiming everything back would be a "cheaper" route.

My question is, the original post here states that for being charged duty and traveling by land, you would be charged the US Tariff which would equate to no duty and with me only paying the taxes applicable? Or would i be stuck in the worst case scenario of being charged tax + duty ~30%? (assuming most of this stuff is being made in asia)

The things i am bringing back are about 400$ worth and consists of childrens clothing, running shoes, womens clothing and supplements.

Any advice is highly appreciated.

Thanks.

Ifyou get pulled over to pay, it is highly highly unlikely you will have to pay duty. My experience is that is too much work for the border agent to figure out. They dont' want to sit there and go through item by item and look up what the tarrifs on each item is (apparently there is an entire book just on what the item is and where it is made). Worse case scenario is that you will be charged just the HST. The best thing to do is just declare 200 buck each and if you are lucky, you will just be waived through. This weekend will be busy at the border given the long weekend so again, the agents will be busy and will not have time to check every item.

[crazyproton]

i think you have no one to blame but yourself. CBSA agents are more on keeping the border secured than charging people taxes. It has been on the paper saying that already. Your receipts are just going to give the agents more work and slow down the border crossing. It is the people who doesn't think ahead worsen the whole travel experience at the border. Please learn how to cross the boarder.

[1226]

I travelled recently and I had to purchase some swimsuits and toiletries for my kids which they used.

Either chuck the receipts or declare the goods. Both will get you across the border clean. I'll let you decide which avenue to take.


The CBSA agent searched the car and found the bills for this and issued a seizure receipt.

As they're supposed to do unfortunately.


Also among the bills were snacks which were eaten in the hotel.

Yeah definitely chuck those. Stuff 100% consumed in the states is a moot issue at the border. More undeclared receipts, however meaningless, just gives them more justification for their decision to penalize you.


The attitude of the agents were terrible.

Um, that's par for the course. Expect the worst and you'll never be surprised.


They did not allow us near out vehicle while they searched although it is our responsibility to open the luggage.

Standard procedure. In their eyes you're a criminal so they feel justified in treating you as such.


Now I may have to face further inspections at customs when I travel. What recourse do I have?

Stay uber-clean going forward. Nothing else you can do.

In general people, only bring back receipts for items you intend to declare (which, of course, should be everything you're bringing back ;) ). Everything else, chuck.

[cwb27]

I travelled recently and I had to purchase some swimsuits and toiletries for my kids which they used. The CBSA agent searched the car and found the bills for this and issued a seizure receipt. I could not see the sense of this. Also among the bills were snacks which were eaten in the hotel. The attitude of the agents were terrible. They did not allow us near out vehicle while they searched although it is our responsibility to open the luggage. Now I may have to face further inspections at customs when I travel. What recourse do I have?

Seeing no sense in something is not a defense unfortuantely, according to your post you failed to the declare the items (though I'm willing to bet the snacks were not apart of this seizure).

Do you have any recourse? Yes, if you read the paperwork you were given, you have (I believe) 90 days to appeal the seizure.

[CSK'sMom]

I travelled recently and I had to purchase some swimsuits and toiletries for my kids which they used. The CBSA agent searched the car and found the bills for this and issued a seizure receipt. I could not see the sense of this. Also among the bills were snacks which were eaten in the hotel. The attitude of the agents were terrible. They did not allow us near out vehicle while they searched although it is our responsibility to open the luggage. Now I may have to face further inspections at customs when I travel. What recourse do I have?

Just a heads up... if anyone in the car has Nexus, they can kiss it goodbye. ;) BTW, it's not that you may face further inspections, it that you will always face secondary inspection from now on....

[GTT1]

Originally Posted by colinpersad View Post
I travelled recently and I had to purchase some swimsuits and toiletries for my kids which they used. The CBSA agent searched the car and found the bills for this and issued a seizure receipt. I could not see the sense of this. Also among the bills were snacks which were eaten in the hotel. The attitude of the agents were terrible. They did not allow us near out vehicle while they searched although it is our responsibility to open the luggage. Now I may have to face further inspections at customs when I travel. What recourse do I have?
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Hmm I'm guessing they found more than a couple of swimsuit receipts and sundries.

I cannot see CBSA giving that much grief over items like that.

I also cannot believe someone would lie and claim they spent zero if they were bringing back such a small amount in value.

You have learned a serious lesson and now will have to suffer the consequences every time you cross back into Canada.

Maybe your misfortune will ensure others reading don't make the same mistake.

[da_way]

Anyone ever try to dispute the taxes and were successful?

[cwb27]

Anyone ever try to dispute the taxes and were successful?

Dispute what taxes? Your question is vague.

[marcoboy]

You and the border services officer
You may occasionally find yourself going through a more detailed inspection. In some cases, this simply means that you may have to complete a form. In other cases, the border services officer will need to identify the goods you are bringing into the country or examine your luggage.

Border services officers are legally entitled to examine your luggage as part of their responsibility to protect Canada's safety, economy and environment. You are responsible for opening, unpacking and repacking your luggage. The CBSA appreciates your cooperation.

By making your goods easily accessible for inspection, and having your receipts handy, you will be helping the CBSA to help you. It is a good idea to keep all your receipts for accommodations and purchases,





Originally Posted by colinpersad View Post
I travelled recently and I had to purchase some swimsuits and toiletries for my kids which they used. The CBSA agent searched the car and found the bills for this and issued a seizure receipt. I could not see the sense of this. Also among the bills were snacks which were eaten in the hotel. The attitude of the agents were terrible. They did not allow us near out vehicle while they searched although it is our responsibility to open the luggage. Now I may have to face further inspections at customs when I travel. What recourse do I have?
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Hmm I'm guessing they found more than a couple of swimsuit receipts and sundries.

I cannot see CBSA giving that much grief over items like that.

I also cannot believe someone would lie and claim they spent zero if they were bringing back such a small amount in value.

You have learned a serious lesson and now will have to suffer the consequences every time you cross back into Canada.

Maybe your misfortune will ensure others reading don't make the same mistake.

[marcoboy]

Often the officers step way out of line in their practice - they are not supposed to order people away from their vehicles and search their personal property. This is wrong - way wrong - they are to ask the individuals under inspection to open, unpack and repack. In that way, many questions can be answered, purposeful dialogue can be established, citizens who may be ignorant of the law can be brought to the light and a lot can be resolved. Yes there is the law, but there is also the "spirit of the law". The Canadian governement needs to get serious about many of their customs personnel who step over the line in dealing with the public. Whether a person is guilty of an infraction or not, does not give them the right to intimidate and bully residents, citizens and visitors. If a person has to pay, they have to pay - that's about it. The point that "power corrupts" applies not just to them but to many people who fall into positions where their jobs involve the exercise of control over other people.





You and the border services officer
You may occasionally find yourself going through a more detailed inspection. In some cases, this simply means that you may have to complete a form. In other cases, the border services officer will need to identify the goods you are bringing into the country or examine your luggage.

Border services officers are legally entitled to examine your luggage as part of their responsibility to protect Canada's safety, economy and environment. You are responsible for opening, unpacking and repacking your luggage. The CBSA appreciates your cooperation.

By making your goods easily accessible for inspection, and having your receipts handy, you will be helping the CBSA to help you. It is a good idea to keep all your receipts for accommodations and purchases,

[cwb27]

Often the officers step way out of line in their practice - they are not supposed to order people away from their vehicles and search their personal property.This is wrong - way wrong - they are to ask the individuals under inspection to open, unpack and repack. In that way, many questions can be answered, purposeful dialogue can be established, citizens who may be ignorant of the law can be brought to the light and a lot can be resolved. Yes there is the law, but there is also the "spirit of the law". The Canadian governement needs to get serious about many of their customs personnel who step over the line in dealing with the public. Whether a person is guilty of an infraction or not, does not give them the right to intimidate and bully residents, citizens and visitors. If a person has to pay, they have to pay - that's about it. The point that "power corrupts" applies not just to them but to many people who fall into positions where their jobs involve the exercise of control over other people.

You seem to be taking the line quoted from I Declare out of context. Searching a vehicle is significantly different than a search conducted in an airport. (which that line primarily refers to, hence, "luggage") Also, that line exists as it could be necessary for the BSO to have the traveller unpack some goods that could be fragile. And no, telling people to sit somewhere not near their vehicle is normal.

If you reference the Customs Act (Section 99 IIRC) it states that a BSO may search goods being imported. The I Declare is a watered down, reader friendly version that gives people a general idea of what to expect, it's certainly not a operating procedures manual nor should it be interpreted as one.

Repacking is typically at the descretion of the BSO. During my time as a BSO I repacked a lot of vehicles, other times (for various reasons) I asked that the traveller re-pack whatever I was searching.

[cahk]

Often the officers step way out of line in their practice - they are not supposed to order people away from their vehicles and search their personal property. This is wrong - way wrong - they are to ask the individuals under inspection to open, unpack and repack. In that way, many questions can be answered, purposeful dialogue can be established, citizens who may be ignorant of the law can be brought to the light and a lot can be resolved. Yes there is the law, but there is also the "spirit of the law". The Canadian governement needs to get serious about many of their customs personnel who step over the line in dealing with the public. Whether a person is guilty of an infraction or not, does not give them the right to intimidate and bully residents, citizens and visitors. If a person has to pay, they have to pay - that's about it. The point that "power corrupts" applies not just to them but to many people who fall into positions where their jobs involve the exercise of control over other people.

Officer safety first - that's self-explanatory. I don't see why you insist on being present when they search your vehicle. This is no different than police detained and searching a vehicle out in the field.

Ignorant of the law is not an excuse and does not absolve any responsiblity if you failed to declare or import illegal materials. While a better dialogue and interaction will be achieved, it's not a "legal" requirement.

If you think you were treated unfairly, you can complaint to the officer-in-charge of the port or to the Ministry of Public Safety. ;)

[sweet_katka]

I find it quite pathetic how people have to stress if they spent 25 or 125 bucks when crossing the borders back to Canada. We practice what we'll tell the officers so we don't have to pay tax on couple pairs of socks we bought during a 5 hour stay in the US....this is worse than communism and I know what I'm talking about, coming from the former Eastern European block. Today when traveling within the European union no one treats you like a terrorist because you went shopping to a neighborhood country...here on the other hand, border offices waste so much time searching cars for few receipts to prove to you that you lied about how much you spent. This is the kind of treatment we, Eastern Europeans, had to deal with 20 years ago, not today....but in Canada it's the latest trend..it's just forcing people to lie because they want to save some of their hard earned money....quite sad :S

[apn64]

I find it quite pathetic how people have to stress if they spent 25 or 125 bucks when crossing the borders back to Canada. We practice what we'll tell the officers so we don't have to pay tax on couple pairs of socks we bought during a 5 hour stay in the US....this is worse than communism and I know what I'm talking about, coming from the former Eastern European block. Today when traveling within the European union no one treats you like a terrorist because you went shopping to a neighborhood country...here on the other hand, border offices waste so much time searching cars for few receipts to prove to you that you lied about how much you spent. This is the kind of treatment we, Eastern Europeans, had to deal with 20 years ago, not today....but in Canada it's the latest trend..it's just forcing people to lie because they want to save some of their hard earned money....quite sad :S

+100 to that!

This is our version of the gestapo. I've NEVER been asked a security-related question coming back into Canada, it's all about fleecing you for a few bucks in taxes. Pathetic.

The US recently floated the idea of allowing day-trippers (both directions) up to $1,000 in personal exemptions as a means to ease border congestion. The Harpo govt quickly declined this because they know it will lead to a stampede in cross-border shopping, and reduce tax revenue when consumers escape being sodomized by Canadian retailers.

[crazyproton]

+100 to that!

This is our version of the gestapo. I've NEVER been asked a security-related question coming back into Canada, it's all about fleecing you for a few bucks in taxes. Pathetic.

The US recently floated the idea of allowing day-trippers (both directions) up to $1,000 in personal exemptions as a means to ease border congestion. The Harpo govt quickly declined this because they know it will lead to a stampede in cross-border shopping, and reduce tax revenue when consumers escape being sodomized by Canadian retailers.

Where will US people shop to bring back $1000 worth of goods is what to think about. Canada and Mexico? LOL! I don't think US people will want to shop in Canada given the selection and mark up here despite that it is tax free. Harper knows Canada retailers got no way to compete with US. It is just way way way inefficient in the retail business here in Canada. Look at Canada Post. Look at the warehouse distributor locations across Canada. They are only few of them and they are skewed in the East.

[apn64]

Where will US people shop to bring back $1000 worth of goods is what to think about. Canada and Mexico? LOL! I don't think US people will want to shop in Canada given the selection and mark up here despite that it is tax free. Harper knows Canada retailers got no way to compete with US. It is just way way way inefficient in the retail business here in Canada. Look at Canada Post. Look at the warehouse distributor locations across Canada. They are only few of them and they are skewed in the East.

Sorry, but that's a load of codswallop.

If US residents will actually shop here is irrelavent in a discussion about easing border congestion. However, I will concede that other than novelty items and tourist trinkets, most Americans wouldn't shop here, although I distinctly remember when the $ was at us$0.65 and Amercians were coming over in droves to buy cars.

"Canada retailers got no way to compete with US"? Have you failed to notice that;

1. Canada retail IS American in most big-box categories e.g. Wal-Mart, Home-Depot, Lowes, Best Buy etc. etc. etc. Yet for many items, they charge ridiculous prices because Canuck consumers are pussies; it's called oportunistic pricing - charge what you can get away with.

2. US corporate taxes are currently >2x Canadian corporate taxes, so let's not buy into the usual bullschitt arguments from the retail lobby.

3. Labour rates in Canada are not 50% or more higher than the US.

4. 85% of Canadians live in 4% of the land-mass, mostly <150 miles of the US border.

5. Despite all the "difficulties" of offering retail service in Canada, a lot of items, particularly electronics cost the same in both countries. How can that be if the scales are tilted so far in the favour of US retail?

Anyhow, back on topic. If Canada did accept the US proposal, the Canuckistan gestapo might be able to get some real work done once releived of pick-pocketing duties.

[KDSet]

5. Despite all the "difficulties" of offering retail service in Canada, a lot of items, particularly electronics cost the same in both countries. How can that be if the scales are tilted so far in the favour of US retail?


Electronics, most of them anyway, are duty-free for both countries. I'm guessing Canada levies much higher duties for certain items than the US.

[apn64]

Electronics, most of them anyway, are duty-free for both countries. I'm guessing Canada levies much higher duties for certain items than the US.

More rubbish. You're guessing wrong, based on unawareness that duties are a protectionist measure to shore up domestic producers in the face of potential "dumping" from International competitors (e.g. Samsung fined in recent years for dumping DRAM into the USA).

Canada doesn't produce anything close to the range of products as the US, so we have a lot less domestic industry to "protect". However, I'll grant you it's true for items like clothing and shoes, although this barely dents the soemtimes huge price differentials.

The main reason we pay more are limited/exlusive distribution rights for certain products, so it's the distributors, not the retailers making large when our $ surges past parity.

BTW, when the USA recently proposed jacking-up the day-trip exemptions, it was clearly thinking of it's own benefit, not Canada. Logic says there'd be a massive influx of cross-border shoppers into the border states, greatly benefitting the local economies. The Canuck retail lobby would hate that competition and loss of business, plus Harpo and gang would see a substantial drop in tax revenues.

I've also lived and traveled extensively in Europe and can attest to what sweet_katka stated. I've never before seen the level of petty economic scrutiny one endures returning to Canada. IMHO, NAFTA didn't go far enough, there should be full FREE trade and flow of goods in both directions across the border.

[woobie]

I find it quite pathetic how people have to stress if they spent 25 or 125 bucks when crossing the borders back to Canada. We practice what we'll tell the officers so we don't have to pay tax on couple pairs of socks we bought during a 5 hour stay in the US....this is worse than communism and I know what I'm talking about, coming from the former Eastern European block. Today when traveling within the European union no one treats you like a terrorist because you went shopping to a neighborhood country...here on the other hand, border offices waste so much time searching cars for few receipts to prove to you that you lied about how much you spent. This is the kind of treatment we, Eastern Europeans, had to deal with 20 years ago, not today....but in Canada it's the latest trend..it's just forcing people to lie because they want to save some of their hard earned money....quite sad :S

Paranoid much? You need to practice? Here's a novel idea just be honest, I know it's a shocking concept. Let's face it if you do your homework and know your prices you would know the majority of time your still saving money even if you do get taxed.

I cross over weekly, mainly for groceries but we do go down for clothes trips occasionally or bike parts for myself. Over the last 4 or 5 years I can count on one hand the times I've had to pay "taxes". In all those crossings I've had one secondary search. I was bringing over a pair of paintball tactical vests and was told to pull in for a secondary check. The guy asked me to stand/sit by the bench in front of the car, and did a quick 5 minute search, glove box, console, under seats & trunk etc etc. Checked out my vests and shipping receipt and I was on my way (untaxed BTW) in less than 10 minutes.

I've said this repeatedly, add the tax mentally when you purchase the item and do the math to see if your still saving money over buying up here. If you get dinged for the tax at the border you've already factored it in, if you get waved through it's and extra bonus.

[sweet_katka]

Paranoid much? You need to practice? Here's a novel idea just be honest, I know it's a shocking concept. Let's face it if you do your homework and know your prices you would know the majority of time your still saving money even if you do get taxed.

I cross over weekly, mainly for groceries but we do go down for clothes trips occasionally or bike parts for myself. Over the last 4 or 5 years I can count on one hand the times I've had to pay "taxes". In all those crossings I've had one secondary search. I was bringing over a pair of paintball tactical vests and was told to pull in for a secondary check. The guy asked me to stand/sit by the bench in front of the car, and did a quick 5 minute search, glove box, console, under seats & trunk etc etc. Checked out my vests and shipping receipt and I was on my way (untaxed BTW) in less than 10 minutes.

I've said this repeatedly, add the tax mentally when you purchase the item and do the math to see if your still saving money over buying up here. If you get dinged for the tax at the border you've already factored it in, if you get waved through it's and extra bonus.

If it was just the 13% tax that I get charged, that wouldn't even be the problem...however the couple times that I had to pay duty for declared items, the amount I paid wasn't just 13% but much more for some reason....plus the "lovely" attitude cause I dared to go shopping outside the country. To be harassed like a criminal at the borders because I spent $60 instead of $0 during my 5 hour trip to the US is ridiculous. Maybe the border officers should spend more time focusing on uncovering real criminals, and not analyzing receipts from walmart.

[cwb27]

If it was just the 13% tax that I get charged, that wouldn't even be the problem...however the couple times that I had to pay duty for declared items, the amount I paid wasn't just 13% but much more for some reason....plus the "lovely" attitude cause I dared to go shopping outside the country. To be harassed like a criminal at the borders because I spent $60 instead of $0 during my 5 hour trip to the US is ridiculous. Maybe the border officers should spend more time focusing on uncovering real criminals, and not analyzing receipts from walmart.

To be honest, I feel like your attitude is more the issue here. Tax collection is apart of the CBSA mandate, officers just don't decide to do it for fun. The only people that can really make changes to this mandate is the Federal Government, write your MP and let them know how you feel.

[ben_liu]

Can we declare the total spending of everyone in the car, and just pay tax individually according to how much you spent?

[Messerschmitt]

I have a question.

If I have a bank account in america, and withdraw 1000$, do I have to declare it when coming back? Will they start asking questions how I got the 1000$ (besides withdrawing them from the american bank)? Like what I sold online, etc?

[rommelrommel]

Can we declare the total spending of everyone in the car, and just pay tax individually according to how much you spent?

Generally yes, some officers may want it broken down at the booth however.


I have a question.

If I have a bank account in america, and withdraw 1000$, do I have to declare it when coming back? Will they start asking questions how I got the 1000$ (besides withdrawing them from the american bank)? Like what I sold online, etc?

No, you don't have to declare under 10000 CAD. (Or 10000 USD on export from the USA.) They might ask about the money, but you're not required to answer, personally I would say that I got it out of the bank and if asked further questions I'd refuse, and if it went further, ask to speak to a superintendent.

[Messerschmitt]

No, you don't have to declare under 10000 CAD. (Or 10000 USD on export from the USA.) They might ask about the money, but you're not required to answer, personally I would say that I got it out of the bank and if asked further questions I'd refuse, and if it went further, ask to speak to a superintendent.

Nice, thanks. Just by not having to declare over 10k, then I won't even bother telling them about it. More complications for nothing.

[crazyproton]

Nice, thanks. Just by not having to declare over 10k, then I won't even bother telling them about it. More complications for nothing.

They will ask you how much cash are u bringing over the border. You can try to say "less than 10K".

[Messerschmitt]

They will ask you how much cash are u bringing over the border. You can try to say "less than 10K".

Actually I remember seeing a sign just like in Airport saying you have to declare over xx amount (which I guess is 10k), so doesn't this imply that you don't have to tell them if you have less in cash?

[rommelrommel]

Actually I remember seeing a sign just like in Airport saying you have to declare over xx amount (which I guess is 10k), so doesn't this imply that you don't have to tell them if you have less in cash?

You don't have to actively declare it under 10k.

The stock question is "do you have cash or monetary insturments of value equal to or greater than 10000 CAD?" The question I usually hear on the odd occasion that I'm asked is "do you have more than 10 grand in cash?"

Under 10k if asked you would be required to answer if asked specifically how much money you were travelling with, and perhaps a basic question about the origin of the currency could be justified, but at some point the legal justification for the questioning under the Customs Act gets to be on very shaky ground IMO.

[cwb27]

Actually I remember seeing a sign just like in Airport saying you have to declare over xx amount (which I guess is 10k), so doesn't this imply that you don't have to tell them if you have less in cash?


You don't have to actively declare it under 10k.

The stock question is "do you have cash or monetary insturments of value equal to or greater than 10000 CAD?" The question I usually hear on the odd occasion that I'm asked is "do you have more than 10 grand in cash?"

Under 10k if asked you would be required to answer if asked specifically how much money you were travelling with, and perhaps a basic question about the origin of the currency could be justified, but at some point the legal justification for the questioning under the Customs Act gets to be on very shaky ground IMO.

Generally a person is asked specifics about money <10,000 in very specific situations. More commonly, it is asked to visitors to Canada not residents returning (that is NOT to say an officer will not ask you about how much money you have on you...)

[rommelrommel]

Generally a person is asked specifics about money <10,000 in very specific situations. More commonly, it is asked to visitors to Canada not residents returning (that is NOT to say an officer will not ask you about how much money you have on you...)

Yeah, that's a more succinct way of stating it. regardless, your 1000 bucks is not going to be a big deal. I always used to carry close to that in cash. Not so much these days with credit cards that give benefits.

[Bamelin]

Is the 48 hour exemption 400 dollars per person or 400 dollars per family?

Going with my wife ...

[1226]

Is the 48 hour exemption 400 dollars per person or 400 dollars per family?

Going with my wife ...

per person

[parry]

If one is sent to a secondary inspection area with a yellow paper in hand:

1. What kind of info does yellow paper usually have? and How does the secondary border officer decide to use that Yellow paper further?

2. If the car is searched and within minutes you are waved clear. They say you are all set to go. What does that mean? Assuming they did not ask to pay any taxes on anything cuz nothing was found. Is the file flagged to get a secondary inspection everytime or?

3. When does it mean that your file is flagged for a secondary inspection everytime?

[cwb27]

If one is sent to a secondary inspection area with a yellow paper in hand:

1. What kind of info does yellow paper usually have? and How does the secondary border officer decide to use that Yellow paper further?

2. If the car is searched and within minutes you are waved clear. They say you are all set to go. What does that mean? Assuming they did not ask to pay any taxes on anything cuz nothing was found. Is the file flagged to get a secondary inspection everytime or?

3. When does it mean that your file is flagged for a secondary inspection everytime?

1 - Declaration information (i.e. what you answered the officer with, written in short form), there's other information as well in "coded form".

2 - If there were no issues, you're fine.

3 - Not sure what you mean? If you've had enforcement action against you/person in your vehicle (i.e. seizure), you're "flagged"

[naimc]

Hi I'm going on a vacation to the states for 10 days.

Q1. If I make online purchases prior to my trip and have items shipped to a US address so I receive them during my stay. Can I claim the goods under the 750$ tax and duty :?:deduction on my return.

If Q2 is NO, then if I make the purchase from Canada ( so I can print the invoice) on the same day I enter the states ( technical I could have made the online purchase on day 1 from the US) then on return will the goods fall in the 750$ deduction.

Q3. Does the 750$ deduction also apply to my kids ?

Thank you.

[woobie]

Hi I'm going on a vacation to the states for 10 days.

Q1. If I make online purchases prior to my trip and have items shipped to a US address so I receive them during my stay. Can I claim the goods under the 750$ tax and duty :?:deduction on my return.

If Q2 is NO, then if I make the purchase from Canada ( so I can print the invoice) on the same day I enter the states ( technical I could have made the online purchase on day 1 from the US) then on return will the goods fall in the 750$ deduction.

Q3. Does the 750$ deduction also apply to my kids ?

Thank you.

I do this all the time, yes you can use your duty free allowance for the item your ordering. Print out and bring your receipt from when you placed your order just in case they don't include a receipt in your package when they ship it.

And yes the $750 is per person EXCEPT when it comes to alcohol and tobacco, those allowance are only valid if the person is of legal drinking/smoking age.

[Cas77]

Has anyone crossed the border on Sept 11th before? Am I looking at a looong wait especially being the 10th anniversary? :confused:

[O1IN85]

Has anyone crossed the border on Sept 11th before? Am I looking at a looong wait especially being the 10th anniversary? :confused:

:facepalm: Do we really need to answer that question for you?


I do this all the time, yes you can use your duty free allowance for the item your ordering. Print out and bring your receipt from when you placed your order just in case they don't include a receipt in your package when they ship it.

by saying this, you mean if you're staying 7 days or more right?

[DrunkCanuck]

I referred to this thread within this forum as there appears to be much knowledge here about the CBSA. Here's my story ...

- Crossed over the Rainbow Bridge recently @ NF with wife and two small kids for a day at Darien Lake
- Had some boxes in the back of the SUV from work which I had forgotten about which contained router type devices for condo units
- Wife loaded up the truck and didn't say anything about it; off we went
- Crossed into the US without declaring as I had no idea the boxes were there
- Realized when we arrived @ Darien Lake boxes were there
- Long line at the border coming back (2hr wait); kids sleeping; no invoices, bills, docs with me showing the boxes were shipped to / originated from Ontario
- Wife and I decided best route to take was to declare nothing (as we had done coming into the US) and hope for the best
- Agent asked me to open rear; off to inspection we go
- Inspector was nice enough, however didn't quite believe my story at first; ordered us out of the truck; full search of vehicle
- Inspector found some unrelated paperwork that he thought was connected to the boxes being received in the US, he got very aggravated and demanded I present receipts, I advised he was looking at something unrelated, he calmed down
- Inspector suggested without any paperwork on the merchandize my vehicle would probably be impounded, after some dialog and my 4 & 7yr old making their bed on the pavement (it was now 2am), he suggested IF they could find the values of the merchandize on-line maybe we could work something out.
- Around 3am Inspector presented me with a statement to sign regarding the incident, and seizure-infraction billing for 25% of the value of goods based on what he found on-line (aprox $2,000)
- Agreed to sign statement and pay (I had to get my kids out of there, this was totally my fault and not fair to them at all.)

So here are my questions to the experts:
+ If I choose not to appeal for fear of repercussions from my employer when asking for the pertinent docs (those boxes should have been left in the office over the weekend), is this type of infraction at the level where I should now expect an intense inspection each time I enter and return to and from the US?
+ If I appeal and successfully win, will notes still remain on my file and therefore leave me in almost the same position (aside from retrieving my $2K?)

By the end of my dealings with the inspector, I was picking up a vibe from him that he realized this was all a big screw up on my part but with no intent. He encouraged me to appeal. Problem is the appeal may cost me more in the long run with my career than the $2K I'm already into this for. However, I'm loosing sleep over what will happen each time I need to travel for work now ... Will I be the guy in the group that will hold everyone up? Will I need to give myself an extra hour or more to plan for inspections on the way into the US?

Any feedback would be much appreciated.

DAlex.

To make a long story short I got nabbed at the border for false decloration of the value of goods on an ipod video about 7 years ago and had to pay the 25% charge on it. Since then I have crossed the border over 3 dozen times and not once has my vehicle been searched or even a delay from the border agents (much to my suprise). I've had to declare and go in to pay duty but it has never been mentioned at the border crossing. I definately declare every last penny now as it was an embarresing situation and I don't want to be "flagged" again. I'm not really sure if I'm still in the system for it. Sometimes when your a broke student you do stupid things.
It sounds like you made an honest mistake so I wish you the same luck I had.

[c5davey]

Hope this hasn't been asked before in this thread but I was wondering if there are taxes on used electronics bought from ebay?

thanks

[calgaryhhr]

Hope this hasn't been asked before in this thread but I was wondering if there are taxes on used electronics bought from ebay?

thanks

I'd like to piggyback on this post and ask about taxes or duty on used auto parts and second hand clothes.

[InvisibleSoul]

Hope this hasn't been asked before in this thread but I was wondering if there are taxes on used electronics bought from ebay?

thanks


I'd like to piggyback on this post and ask about taxes or duty on used auto parts and second hand clothes.
Yes. It doesn't matter if the item is new or used. There is still duties and tax on them.

[Nythril]

Yes. It doesn't matter if the item is new or used. There is still duties and tax on them.

About 12 years back we went to value village in the states and bought a really nice used child's bunting bag ( really soft but extremely warm and well made ) for about 5 bucks. At the border coming into Canada we where assessed duty/custom fees of $35 dollars on the $5 dollar item. Used cloths are not ( or atleast then ) taxed as cloths but simply as items imported from country of origin and as such it had the higher levy on it ( based on country of manufacture ). Needless to say we gave the item to the customs officer and told them to keep it as we wouldn't pay the duty. If your buying used - make sure you have your duty free amount to rely on or your fees could be more then your cost ....

[Stock R]

Tried searching this thread and while the question had already been asked, there wasn't an answer. I'll try to break it down.

1)I travel to Country X for a week
2)While I'm there for > 7 days, buy something online from the US and ship it to my US mailing address,
3)Can I upon arrival back to Canada, declare the product(s) for form E24 as unaccompanied goods to follow?
4)And in the following week, drive down to my US mailing address at a later point to pick it up, then show E24 to apply for my exemption?

I tried looking online and on the CBSA website. There is mention of unaccompanied goods to follow that are being mailed/couriered directly to Canada, but no mention for cases where I am going to represent myself at a later point as the import agent which requires me to leave/return to Canada again.

If this is feasible and technically acceptible so I can save on some taxes for merchandise I'd like to purchase, is this something that most CBSA agents will understand and accept, or will they likely give me grief on it because it's a grey area?

[breale01]

I am not a CBSA employee, so I don't know the official answer, but thought I'd let you know that I have done exactly what you describe (only once and many years ago), but nevertheless successfully. Hope to hear from someone more official though, since I would like to try this again.

[PCDawg]

Does Canada border services know when you leave the country into the us if you drive? Plan on staying at least one night in the US but not sure if I will be they for 48 hours.

[walleye*guy]

Does Canada border services know when you leave the country into the us if you drive? Plan on staying at least one night in the US but not sure if I will be they for 48 hours.
Yes - not only do they share info with the US Border Security, they have cameras that take your plate info.

[Cheap Cat]

Yes - not only do they share info with the US Border Security, they have cameras that take your plate info.

I don't believe so. The US takes you plate info when you come in. I believe this is part of the whole deal that was made with the US yesterday that they will start sharing information with the US on comings and goings. So that would mean that right now, they are not.

From the Toronto Star (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1098487--canada-u-s-border-deal-the-new-realities-for-canadians?bn=1) today regarding this agreement:

Information: Both the Canadian and U.S. governments will know a lot more about you when you travel. For the first time, an exit-entry system will let Ottawa know when Canadian visitors, residents or citizens leave this country. The Harper government says this will be useful. “By systematically collecting and reconciling entry and exit information, the government of Canada will be able to identify persons who overstay their visa, track the departure of persons subject to removal orders and verify that residency requirements are being met by applicants for immigrations programs and government benefits such as Employment Insurance,” a background document explains.

[PCDawg]

Yes - not only do they share info with the US Border Security, they have cameras that take your plate info.

Thanks, just planning on heading to Grove City next week thurs and to the leafs game friday nite in buffalo before heading back to Toronto. Guess if i plan on shopping and buying alot i'll need to stay a few more hours.

Visitors that are not carrying canadian passports dont need to pay that duties/taxes if they bring items over I presume? I can pass some items over to him.

Edit: Thanks CHeap cat, so they dont really know and just take your word for it....

[cwb27]

I don't believe so. The US takes you plate info when you come in. I believe this is part of the whole deal that was made with the US yesterday that they will start sharing information with the US on comings and goings. So that would mean that right now, they are not.

From the Toronto Star (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1098487--canada-u-s-border-deal-the-new-realities-for-canadians?bn=1) today regarding this agreement:

US CBP and the CBSA have been able to share this information for quite sometime now, however, it has not been consistant, the legislation proposed will make this sort of thing status quo, not just a "It's available here, but not there". I believe the legislation will also put in place a different way of collecting such information (i.e. capturing your license plate LEAVING Canada, NOT when you are arriving at the US CBP after you've left the country as presently done).



Thanks, just planning on heading to Grove City next week thurs and to the leafs game friday nite in buffalo before heading back to Toronto. Guess if i plan on shopping and buying alot i'll need to stay a few more hours.

Visitors that are not carrying canadian passports dont need to pay that duties/taxes if they bring items over I presume? I can pass some items over to him.

Edit: Thanks CHeap cat, so they dont really know and just take your word for it....

I don't know what you mean by someone not carrying a Canadian passport...?

Also, CBSA officers do not need to talk to US CBP to find out when you entered the US, there's PLENTY of ways to tell by talking to you/searching your vehicle, etc...

[PCDawg]

US CBP and the CBSA have been able to share this information for quite sometime now, however, it has not been consistant, the legislation proposed will make this sort of thing status quo, not just a "It's available here, but not there". I believe the legislation will also put in place a different way of collecting such information (i.e. capturing your license plate LEAVING Canada, NOT when you are arriving at the US CBP after you've left the country as presently done).




I don't know what you mean by someone not carrying a Canadian passport...?

Also, CBSA officers do not need to talk to US CBP to find out when you entered the US, there's PLENTY of ways to tell by talking to you/searching your vehicle, etc...

My friend im traveling with has dual nationality.

[cwb27]

My friend im traveling with has dual nationality.

Duty and taxes are calculated based on residency, not citizenship.

In other words, if he has residency in Canada, duty and taxes will be assessed.

[PCDawg]

Duty and taxes are calculated based on residency, not citizenship.

In other words, if he has any sort of residency in Canada, he/she will be charged.

Thanks, he have not reside in Canada for over 10 years.

[fartecho]

i've searched a bit in this thread but haven't found anything about this situation yet (unless i'm just no good at looking for the right info)...

i just dropped off my girlfriend at a US airport today, after staying overnight at an airport hotel (she had an early flight, our drive down to the US is 2.5hrs). i was in the US for about a day and a half. passing through canada customs today, i declared a pair of snow pants that i had shipped to my US post office box ($150), and 2 unfinished bottles of beer.

apparently my father sent a small christmas present to me, that was addressed to my girlfriend (she was supposed to keep it hidden from me, but forgot to pick it up from my same US post office box last week). this present was picked up with the snow pants when we crossed yesterday, and she apologized to me, saying i'd have to bring the gift back across, as she didn't have a) the receipt for it (though there was a packing slip on the outside of the box which MAY have had a receipt with it), and b) she just didn't have room with her luggage to bring it with her.

anyway, long story (somewhat) shortened; i entirely forgot the stupid present was in the trunk when the border guys did a quick search of my car as i declared the pants/2 bottles of beer (the only 2 things i had receipts for, up front with me). the border guard seemed to think i was deliberately smuggling this present back. when he started opening the package, and asking me about it, i remembered about it, and quickly apologized, saying i forgot about it, but that i didn't know what was in the package. i told him the story i'm writing here, and said i'd pay whatever the value was. he got angry with me, saying "well you have to declare everything you bring back and know WHAT you're bringing back, and HOW MUCH it's valued at. anything else you failed to declare that i should know about?"

my paying $50 in duty on a pair of $150 snow pants got me frustrated enough (as i've only EVER paid taxes, never duty on clothing; though i know it's subject to duty), but to read & be informed that i am now flagged for essentially lying about undeclared goods, and was lucky to just be given a warning for the ~$30 i tried to "smuggle" back into the country...really ticked me off.

yes it's my own fault for blatantly forgetting about the stupid present, but is this reaction really necessary from CBSA? if i forgot about a TV or laptop or something, maybe...but a $30 piece of ski equipment?? merry christmas to you guys too!!

[psyko514]

i've searched a bit in this thread but haven't found anything about this situation yet (unless i'm just no good at looking for the right info)...

i just dropped off my girlfriend at a US airport today, after staying overnight at an airport hotel (she had an early flight, our drive down to the US is 2.5hrs). i was in the US for about a day and a half. passing through canada customs today, i declared a pair of snow pants that i had shipped to my US post office box ($150), and 2 unfinished bottles of beer.

apparently my father sent a small christmas present to me, that was addressed to my girlfriend (she was supposed to keep it hidden from me, but forgot to pick it up from my same US post office box last week). this present was picked up with the snow pants when we crossed yesterday, and she apologized to me, saying i'd have to bring the gift back across, as she didn't have a) the receipt for it (though there was a packing slip on the outside of the box which MAY have had a receipt with it), and b) she just didn't have room with her luggage to bring it with her.

anyway, long story (somewhat) shortened; i entirely forgot the stupid present was in the trunk when the border guys did a quick search of my car as i declared the pants/2 bottles of beer (the only 2 things i had receipts for, up front with me). the border guard seemed to think i was deliberately smuggling this present back. when he started opening the package, and asking me about it, i remembered about it, and quickly apologized, saying i forgot about it, but that i didn't know what was in the package. i told him the story i'm writing here, and said i'd pay whatever the value was. he got angry with me, saying "well you have to declare everything you bring back and know WHAT you're bringing back, and HOW MUCH it's valued at. anything else you failed to declare that i should know about?"

my paying $50 in duty on a pair of $150 snow pants got me frustrated enough (as i've only EVER paid taxes, never duty on clothing; though i know it's subject to duty), but to read & be informed that i am now flagged for essentially lying about undeclared goods, and was lucky to just be given a warning for the ~$30 i tried to "smuggle" back into the country...really ticked me off.

yes it's my own fault for blatantly forgetting about the stupid present, but is this reaction really necessary from CBSA? if i forgot about a TV or laptop or something, maybe...but a $30 piece of ski equipment?? merry christmas to you guys too!!

Just playing devil's advocate here, but I can understand the agent getting uptight about an undeclared, unopened package with unknown contents. For all he knows, it can be drugs or a bomb. While you might be confident that it isn't contraband, he has to assume it might be.

[fartecho]

Just playing devil's advocate here, but I can understand the agent getting uptight about an undeclared, unopened package with unknown contents. For all he knows, it can be drugs or a bomb. While you might be confident that it isn't contraband, he has to assume it might be.

oh and fair enough...i totally saw his point, on first notice. but after seeing that the package i "lied" about was in someone else's name, wasn't a bomb, was in plain sight in the middle of the trunk (wasn't trying to hide anything), and ended up being a $30 avalanche safety item that he looked up on ebay to confirm, you'd think one would be a bit less harsh with someone who was up at 4am to bring his girlfriend to an airport, and then stuck driving all day.

i guess i just don't see it as justified that i get a big red flag every time i cross the border from here on in. hoping it's just me, and not my girlfriend (as i was in her car); because she shouldn't have to suffer for my own stupidity/memory fart.

[crazyproton]

There are etiquette that you need to follow to cross the border. The agent is doing everything right here. His job is to protect the us here. You are only giving him more work load but also you are increasing the wait time for others. Please KNOW what you are bringing back to Canada before you cross the border. It only takes like 15 mins to go over the car.

[samkat]

So.... you recognize that the booze is way cheaper in the US because it is not taxed, yet when you import it into Canada yourself (instead of LCBO importing it), you expect to not pay those same taxes?

It is cheaper in the US for a reason, it isn't a free ride importing liquor. See my earlier posts on importing beer - costly, but IMO worth it sometimes.

Also just for a quid - last year when me and my wife were returning from our honeymoon, we had 8 40oz bottles of liquor with us - we were on a cruise and they were only like $10 each, and I did the math and it was still much cheaper to import even after the taxes.

So we are going through, at like 1 AM, and said we were on our honeymoon and had all this booze, and they guy just waived us through. So yes, it CAN pay to be honest.

Just discovered this old thread (very interesting & imformative and I am only on page 6 and it is going to take me lots of time to read each and every page. )

The other day I asked a border crossing question in another newer thread/post about paying customs/duty. I think it is going to get buried and not answered, so I will try here and hopefully will get answer but do apologize in advance if the question has been answered or similar subject already discussed in this old thread that I have not yet gotten to in its entire long length.

My question: Last Friday I was in Albany NY and shopped a lot at Target. It was late as the store closed at midnight and I reached the border near 1am. Thought it would be quick but very surprised to see a very long line of cars. While waiting, I all cars ahead of me being waived through. I had all my receipts prepared and in order as I am honest and usually used to paying the duty on my casual goods. The agent asked the usual appropriate questions and then said you know that you would normally have to go and pay the duty but this time I am waiving you through.
Is it because it was late and when I passed by I noticed the building where I complete the necessary paper work was empty as if it were closed.
Were all these cars in the know that you can pass through at better times than others ?

Curious.
Thanks in advance for any answer/discussion.

[O1IN85]

Is it because it was late and when I passed by I noticed the building where I complete the necessary paper work was empty as if it were closed.
Were all these cars in the know that you can pass through at better times than others ?

That office is open 24/7. If you don't realize the borders also serve for trucks/trailers. There's no way the office would be closed.

Probably a slow, lazy night for them. You got lucky, that's the bottom line. Time of the day doesn't mean anything.

[addicted2it]

I don't believe so. The US takes you plate info when you come in. I believe this is part of the whole deal that was made with the US yesterday that they will start sharing information with the US on comings and goings. So that would mean that right now, they are not.

From the Toronto Star (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1098487--canada-u-s-border-deal-the-new-realities-for-canadians?bn=1) today regarding this agreement:

Good to know....I had always wondered how would the border agents know how long I was away...guess they dont know afterall if its only for a couple of days.

[matdwyer]

Just discovered this old thread (very interesting & imformative and I am only on page 6 and it is going to take me lots of time to read each and every page. )

The other day I asked a border crossing question in another newer thread/post about paying customs/duty. I think it is going to get buried and not answered, so I will try here and hopefully will get answer but do apologize in advance if the question has been answered or similar subject already discussed in this old thread that I have not yet gotten to in its entire long length.

My question: Last Friday I was in Albany NY and shopped a lot at Target. It was late as the store closed at midnight and I reached the border near 1am. Thought it would be quick but very surprised to see a very long line of cars. While waiting, I all cars ahead of me being waived through. I had all my receipts prepared and in order as I am honest and usually used to paying the duty on my casual goods. The agent asked the usual appropriate questions and then said you know that you would normally have to go and pay the duty but this time I am waiving you through.
Is it because it was late and when I passed by I noticed the building where I complete the necessary paper work was empty as if it were closed.
Were all these cars in the know that you can pass through at better times than others ?

Curious.
Thanks in advance for any answer/discussion.

Yup, just lucky. I was waived through with my iPad purchase after a 2 hour trip just on luck.

[toram23901]

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Visitors that are not carrying canadian passports dont need to pay that duties/taxes if they bring items over I presume? I can pass some items over to him.

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I actually looked into this over the past summer when my sister and her family came over to visit and we went to the States. I was planning on doing the exact same thing, i.e. buy some big ticket items and then hand it over to her and her husband to bring over.

What I found out (prior to my trip) is that duty will be assessed for everyone - regardless of nationality. If it needs to be paid, it will be charged and you will need to pay or forfeit the item. IF they are not Canadian residents (this covers Canadians who have declared non-residency), they will need to fill in some form when they actually leave Canada and declare that they are taking the items out of Canada. Then Canada will reimburse the duties that were paid on those items...BUT they must leave the country.

I guess this is meant to prevent Canadian residents like us from taking advantage of a potential money loop hole.

Hope this helps.

[cwb27]

I actually looked into this over the past summer when my sister and her family came over to visit and we went to the States. I was planning on doing the exact same thing, i.e. buy some big ticket items and then hand it over to her and her husband to bring over.

What I found out (prior to my trip) is that duty will be assessed for everyone - regardless of nationality. If it needs to be paid, it will be charged and you will need to pay or forfeit the item. IF they are not Canadian residents (this covers Canadians who have declared non-residency), they will need to fill in some form when they actually leave Canada and declare that they are taking the items out of Canada. Then Canada will reimburse the duties that were paid on those items...BUT they must leave the country.

I guess this is meant to prevent Canadian residents like us from taking advantage of a potential money loop hole.

Hope this helps.

People try this stuff all the time, there's definitely checks and balances in place to stop exploitation.

[skrr]

quick question - the exemptions apply to both taxes and duties right? So if I am out of canada for >48 hours and I buy 150$ of goods, I don't pay anything extra? I was under the impression that the duties would be exempt but I would still owe HST...

[matdwyer]

This question has probably be asked as well so I apologize for it, but do you pay tax on the additional volume of your allowance or the entire thing?

I assume additional - but want to make sure. I typically come back with 2 60's of booze for 2 people and say 2 bottles of liquor - I give receipts and do not at all try to hide it though, and I'm more then willing to pay if they ask me to. Never have been asked, so just curious if if would be on the extra 20 ounces or on the entire 60?

[Jessie456]

hi, I know that I can check the website for the border time, but I am curious for other's experience.
I am planning to go to seattle on dec 26, how long is the border wait time and how busy the shopping mall is?

thanks,
jessie

[1226]

hi, I know that I can check the website for the border time, but I am curious for other's experience.
I am planning to go to seattle on dec 26, how long is the border wait time and how busy the shopping mall is?

thanks,
jessie

The one shopping mall in Seattle?

Going to have to more specific as to which mall you mean and what time you're going.

[Jessie456]

The one shopping mall in Seattle?

Going to have to more specific as to which mall you mean and what time you're going.

its the premium outlet and planning to go around 7 am

[1226]

its the premium outlet and planning to go around 7 am

you should be fine at that time. And the mall should be pretty empty. Dec 26th isn't a big shopping day down there and Canadian shoppers are busy up here.

[mada726]

I'm going down to Buffalo, New York with my mum tomorrow and I want to know what "general advice" you could give to me when crossing the border? I tend to get scared when crossing the border. Sometimes, I often have a hard time on dealing a "bitter pill to swallow" (tend to be cautious) when doing cross border shopping.

[flyz]

I'm going down to Buffalo, New York with my mum tomorrow and I want to know what "general advice" you could give to me when crossing the border? I tend to get scared when crossing the border. Sometimes, I often have a hard time on dealing a "bitter pill to swallow" (tend to be cautious) when doing cross border shopping.

Just be honest when talking to them. Be confident and answer all their questions. Have all the receipts ready when crossing back and usually they'll let you by with no taxes (though depending on how crazy your shopping was...).

I really don't get the fuss of tossing all the packaging when shopping. If the taxes kills the deal, it's not really a deal anyway.

[woobie]

I'm going down to Buffalo, New York with my mum tomorrow and I want to know what "general advice" you could give to me when crossing the border? I tend to get scared when crossing the border. Sometimes, I often have a hard time on dealing a "bitter pill to swallow" (tend to be cautious) when doing cross border shopping.


Buy what you want factoring in the taxes/duty at the border. Declare what you bought at the border and have your receipts ready. If you get dinged for taxes or taxes and duty your already prepared for it. If you get waved through it's an added bonus!!!!

Unless your trying to smuggle stuff in there's no reason to be nervous. It's not rocket science, the questions are simple and so should be your answers.

"how long were you gone?"
"how much are you bring back?"
"any alcohol or tobacco?"
"where did you go?"
"what did you buy?"

[consumer7]

I've been crossing for years and usually buy groceries, toiletries etc. I often do buy a few taxable items and always declare. Lately I've noticed it seems easier to cross coming back with around $150 of goods. I even declared around $220 of goods recently. Some were taxable. No asking for receipts, they just punch in numbers ask the usual questions and waive me through. Of course no alcohol or tobacco. Anyone else notice the last few months seeming that CBSA has less concern with collecting small amounts of taxes and waiving through more often? Thanks

[matdwyer]

I've been crossing for years and usually buy groceries, toiletries etc. I often do buy a few taxable items and always declare. Lately I've noticed it seems easier to cross coming back with around $150 of goods. I even declared around $220 of goods recently. Some were taxable. No asking for receipts, they just punch in numbers ask the usual questions and waive me through. Of course no alcohol or tobacco. Anyone else notice the last few months seeming that CBSA has less concern with collecting small amounts of taxes and waiving through more often? Thanks

Last 10+ times I've been waived through with almost zero questions from Canadian Customs at all. Basically citizenship, hand passport, declare alcohol and back.

This last time getting into the US was hilarious though -
Here were the guys questions:

Citizenship, residence (said them)
Purpose of trip: to go see the leafs in carolina
Why would you go that far just for hockey? Because we like hockey and its cheaper
Do you have drugs? No
Do you have weed? No
Do you have dope? No
Do you have Marijuana? No
Do you have any drugs? no

He literally asked the same question 5 times over and over - we're sitting there confused - if we said "weed dope and marijuana are the same" does he say "you know lots about drugs, pull over there?" haha

Still looking for answer to my question above - if you have more then your allocated booze, do you pay taxes/duties on the whole thing or just the amount over? Another thing i'd suggest is to have partial cases or partial bottles - i.e. we have "about 10 left over beers from a case" when you are over, never had a problem (or had to pay) with that. Also to say "2 bottles of liquor" instead of "2 60's of liquor" - I'd never lie if they asked or not show receipt, but I wont overly say "I have bottles that are too big!"

[miss_swan]

Just got my Nexus fully approved ... have a newbie question for anyone who's experienced as an RFD'er and Nexus card holder.

- when you declare goods/items and fill out the form and amount ... do they auto-tally the amounts and send you some bill for taxes?

This is for basically a jump over the border for package pickup and gas and back within 1hr or so. No exemptions for a 48hr stay or beyond.

The reason why I ask beforehand is because I read somewhere that a person with Nexus may be smarter to go through regular customs when you have items to declare ... because you will most likely have an easier time getting waved through CBSA without paying additional taxes.

Anyone have experience with this? thanks.

[1226]

Just got my Nexus fully approved ... have a newbie question for anyone who's experienced as an RFD'er and Nexus card holder.

- when you declare goods/items and fill out the form and amount ... do they auto-tally the amounts and send you some bill for taxes?

This is for basically a jump over the border for package pickup and gas and back within 1hr or so. No exemptions for a 48hr stay or beyond.

The reason why I ask beforehand is because I read somewhere that a person with Nexus may be smarter to go through regular customs when you have items to declare ... because you will most likely have an easier time getting waved through CBSA without paying additional taxes.

Anyone have experience with this? thanks.

That used to be the case but the form apparently isn't used anymore. I've been through the Nexus line probably 10 times now, verbally declaring my purchases and I've yet to pay any taxes/duties. I think the most taxable purchases (with no exemption) I've gone through with is about $100-150 though, so not much. You may or may not get more leeway in the regular lines but at the very least it seems that zero tolerance in the Nexus line is a thing of the past.

[pkguy]

Just got my Nexus fully approved ... have a newbie question for anyone who's experienced as an RFD'er and Nexus card holder.

- when you declare goods/items and fill out the form and amount ... do they auto-tally the amounts and send you some bill for taxes?

This is for basically a jump over the border for package pickup and gas and back within 1hr or so. No exemptions for a 48hr stay or beyond.

The reason why I ask beforehand is because I read somewhere that a person with Nexus may be smarter to go through regular customs when you have items to declare ... because you will most likely have an easier time getting waved through CBSA without paying additional taxes.

Anyone have experience with this? thanks.

When I got my Nexus card a couple of years ago they took my credit card info and gave me a booklet of declaration forms. You fill out the form before driving up to the border checkpoint and deposit it in the "mailbox" . Any duty etc owing is charged to your credit card. Often times nothing has been charged to mine. If the regular lanes are free I go through them and give a verbal declaration. I don't think I've paid any duty etc in 2 years and I cross back and forth a couple of times a week for groceries, gas or whatever since I live almost beside the bridge.

[samkat]

I want a NEXUS. How or what is the best way to go about it ? thanks

[miss_swan]

I want a NEXUS. How or what is the best way to go about it ? thanks

- apply online, takes ~ 20-40 mins depending if you have documents and info ready. pay 50 bucks.
- wait 2-4 weeks and check the site periodically if you've been conditionally approved or not.
- if conditionally approved you click on the link to set up an appointment at the location of your choice
- bring in your docs and see the US/Can border staff where they may grill you here and there about why you want a nexus etc ... do the retina scanning and you're done. Wait 2-3 weeks for your card.

[pkguy]

A Nexus website is http://goborder.com/

[miss_swan]

Funny story:

US border guy is acting reserved, suspicious, slightly challenging .... as I would expect. So, I act normal and cool, smile a little bit, a little bit of natural sheepishness/acting goes a long way too IMO. ;)

He asks me "why do you want a Nexus pass?" I kind of scrunch up my eyebrows a bit and say "uhhhh, so I get over the border quicker?"

Seriously, what other honest answer can you give?

"Yeah, I want a Nexus pass so I can spend 50 bucks and have a cool card!"

Naw, because I freakin' want to save some time out of my life and not waste it sitting in my car burning gas and watching the clock tick. :facepalm::razz:

anyways, thought it was funny. The wife laughed when I told her.

[samkat]

Thanks for the info. How long is the card valid ?

Since the Canada Post strike of last year, I started delivering mail/parcels across the border each week. I noticed how much I was saving in postal charges using the US post office. I would also gas up much cheaper and stop and check out some stores. Variety of goods/selection with cheaper prices.

(even with duty when I was stopped but mostly waived through)

I would pay the required fee of bringing in goods and fill out the required paperwork and go through the commercial crossing. I often would be asked why I don't have a transponder ? Is that different from Nexus ?

So I have been doing this for the last 6 months. From the savings, I have calculated, pretty sure that I plan on continuing.

With technology they use, I gather everything is recorded and can see the pattern with the vehicle and habits.

[rommelrommel]

Thanks for the info. How long is the card valid ?

Since the Canada Post strike of last year, I started delivering mail/parcels across the border each week. I noticed how much I was saving in postal charges using the US post office. I would also gas up much cheaper and stop and check out some stores. Variety of goods/selection with cheaper prices.

(even with duty when I was stopped but mostly waived through)

I would pay the required fee of bringing in goods and fill out the required paperwork and go through the commercial crossing. I often would be asked why I don't have a transponder ? Is that different from Nexus ?

So I have been doing this for the last 6 months. From the savings, I have calculated, pretty sure that I plan on continuing.

With technology they use, I gather everything is recorded and can see the pattern with the vehicle and habits.

Card is valid for 5 years, you get to skip one crappy line on a long weekend and it's worth it right there.

[miss_swan]

Card is valid for 5 years, you get to skip one crappy line on a long weekend and it's worth it right there.


Yeah, exactly.

What is a person's time worth?

If I make a 1hr + lineup only 10 mins ... that's worth it right there.
If I drive by people who are frustrated in their cars, burning gas and inching their way to the border ... that's also worth it. :D

[dealhunterca]

- apply online, takes ~ 20-40 mins depending if you have documents and info ready. pay 50 bucks.
- wait 2-4 weeks and check the site periodically if you've been conditionally approved or not.
- if conditionally approved you click on the link to set up an appointment at the location of your choice
- bring in your docs and see the US/Can border staff where they may grill you here and there about why you want a nexus etc ... do the retina scanning and you're done. Wait 2-3 weeks for your card.

I travel to the US at least 2 - 3 times a month for business and it's worth it's weight in gold, especially during the holidays. Highly recommend.

[toram23901]

Yeah, exactly.

What is a person's time worth?

If I make a 1hr + lineup only 10 mins ... that's worth it right there.
If I drive by people who are frustrated in their cars, burning gas and inching their way to the border ... that's also worth it. :D

One time at the Buffalo crossing (Peace Bridge), it was a 3 hour backup. 3 ****ing hours! It only takes another 2 hours max for me to drive back to GTA after I cross into Erie...Without that wait, I would get home before I was able to cross the bridge. That's crazy waiting time.

I had that also at the Sarnia crossing. It was a two hour backup...After getting into Port Huron, I stopped for a quick bite (30 minute) then drove the hour to get to the hotel. Again, I was able to get to bed before I would have been able to cross the border.

These alone makes the Nexus fully worth it.

[doberman_baby]

^ Nexus is a must have if you travel to US often. Love the time saved.

[O1IN85]

It's my first time filing a B2G and sent them all the requirements and documents of the thing I imported (and eventually returned). What I did was get my item delivered to a depot, cross the border and paid my taxes. I did cross into the USA again to return it (was going to pick up some stuff so I hit 2 birds w/ 1 stone that day).

Sent my B2G and enclosed was every necessary document proving I paid the taxes and later returned the item to the US. I got a letter back from CBSA asking for a B15. Now, this is a traveller's declaration which is never filled by people who shop for a day or less. If it's the yellow slip then there's no way we get those back as they're kept by the officers inside the building.

I don't know if they're just giving me a hard time. We're talking about $30. Sheesh.

[navyseals]

I've been crossing for years and usually buy groceries, toiletries etc. I often do buy a few taxable items and always declare. Lately I've noticed it seems easier to cross coming back with around $150 of goods. I even declared around $220 of goods recently. Some were taxable. No asking for receipts, they just punch in numbers ask the usual questions and waive me through. Of course no alcohol or tobacco. Anyone else notice the last few months seeming that CBSA has less concern with collecting small amounts of taxes and waiving through more often? Thanks

They have discretion if they think you're being honest. If they know you're lying and you bought only 20 dollars worth of stuff, they will rip you apart. It's very insulting when people lie to them, most of the time, the officers may even just sigh and let people go when they lie just so the line keeps moving and more important things are thoroughly examined like non-genuine visitors, drugs, and weapons.

[Stock R]

Slightly off-topic...

Lady gets hit with $80,000 in fines by CBSA for smuggling Harry Winston jewelry!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2012/01/12/ottawa-undeclared-goods.html

[cwb27]

Slightly off-topic...

Lady gets hit with $80,000 in fines by CBSA for smuggling Harry Winston jewelry!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2012/01/12/ottawa-undeclared-goods.html

I'd love to read the seizure report on that one...

I bet it's gonna be:

"Oh, I forgot to mention I bought those"

or

"Oh, sorry, I should have mentioned I brought those with me from Canada"

[tynanwong]

Still looking for answer to my question above - if you have more then your allocated booze, do you pay taxes/duties on the whole thing or just the amount over? Another thing i'd suggest is to have partial cases or partial bottles - i.e. we have "about 10 left over beers from a case" when you are over, never had a problem (or had to pay) with that. Also to say "2 bottles of liquor" instead of "2 60's of liquor" - I'd never lie if they asked or not show receipt, but I wont overly say "I have bottles that are too big!"

If you are a returning resident with an amount of alcohol greater than your exemption, you will only be required to pay duties and taxes on the amount of alcohol over your exemption.

For example if you are out of the country for more than 48 hours and you are bringing back 3 - 750ml bottles of wine, your exemption will be 2 bottles of wine or 1.5 Litres. If you were referred into cash to pay, you would pay duties and taxes for 1 - 750 ml bottle.

The officer or clerk should apply the two most expensive bottles towards your exemption so that you will only have to pay taxes on the cheapest bottle.

[flyz]

Slightly off-topic...

Lady gets hit with $80,000 in fines by CBSA for smuggling Harry Winston jewelry!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2012/01/12/ottawa-undeclared-goods.html

Now she's also going to be thoroughly scrutinized by the border guards every time she comes back. Well worth it imo.

[cwb27]

If you are a returning resident with an amount of alcohol greater than your exemption, you will only be required to pay duties and taxes on the amount of alcohol over your exemption.

For example if you are out of the country for more than 48 hours and you are bringing back 3 - 750ml bottles of wine, your exemption will be 2 bottles of wine or 1.5 Litres. If you were referred into cash to pay, you would pay duties and taxes for 1 - 750 ml bottle.

The officer or clerk should apply the two most expensive bottles towards your exemption so that you will only have to pay taxes on the cheapest bottle.

You are correct. But just wanted to emphasize the wine part so people don't confuse it with the spirits exemption which is 1.14 Litres.

[matdwyer]

If you are a returning resident with an amount of alcohol greater than your exemption, you will only be required to pay duties and taxes on the amount of alcohol over your exemption.

For example if you are out of the country for more than 48 hours and you are bringing back 3 - 750ml bottles of wine, your exemption will be 2 bottles of wine or 1.5 Litres. If you were referred into cash to pay, you would pay duties and taxes for 1 - 750 ml bottle.

The officer or clerk should apply the two most expensive bottles towards your exemption so that you will only have to pay taxes on the cheapest bottle.


You are correct. But just wanted to emphasize the wine part so people don't confuse it with the spirits exemption which is 1.14 Litres.

Perfect - That's the answer I was hoping for. Makes buying the big bottles well worth it then, again not trying to deceive at all and am always truthful about it, but if I'm getting waived through I'd rather it be 60's then 40's especially if they penalty is only duties on the overage.

Thanks again

[CustomsExpert]

It's my first time filing a B2G and sent them all the requirements and documents of the thing I imported (and eventually returned). What I did was get my item delivered to a depot, cross the border and paid my taxes. I did cross into the USA again to return it (was going to pick up some stuff so I hit 2 birds w/ 1 stone that day).

Sent my B2G and enclosed was every necessary document proving I paid the taxes and later returned the item to the US. I got a letter back from CBSA asking for a B15. Now, this is a traveller's declaration which is never filled by people who shop for a day or less. If it's the yellow slip then there's no way we get those back as they're kept by the officers inside the building.

I don't know if they're just giving me a hard time. We're talking about $30. Sheesh.

The b15 is definitely mandatory. Otherwise, think about it: you go to the states, you buy something, you return it the same day. you keep all the proofs that you returned it, you go back to Canada, you submit a b2g without a b15 and they pay you back duties and taxes that you didn't pay in the first time? That's why technically the b15 is always required (as a proof that you did pay duties and taxes) so that they don't over-reimburse you.

[CustomsExpert]

I travel to the US at least 2 - 3 times a month for business and it's worth it's weight in gold, especially during the holidays. Highly recommend.

Absolutely worth gold!

What some ppl don't seem to realize though is that you can lose it for as little as 1 undeclared apple.

[Jimboski]

USPS -> Canada = $35 value. Item; 2 Invisible Shield screen protectors In 1 package.

Any duties/taxes? TIA!

[psyko514]

USPS -> Canada = $35 value. Item; 2 Invisible Shield screen protectors In 1 package.

Any duties/taxes? TIA!

You asked this question in another thread and already got an answer.

As you've been told by several posters already, there's no way to tell. Your package may or may not be inspected and assessed duties. Chances are it won't be, but you won't know until delivery.

[Jimboski]

You asked this question in another thread and already got an answer.

As you've been told by several posters already, there's no way to tell. Your package may or may not be inspected and assessed duties. Chances are it won't be, but you won't know until delivery.

So shipping an item from the US to ... LOL jk.

Alright I'll stop, Thanks!

[apn64]

So shipping an item from the US to ... LOL jk.

Alright I'll stop, Thanks!

I seriously wouldn't ship such a low value item across the border, since if it gets attributed, the combined $8.50 CP extortion fee and the taxes might be close to 50% of the declared value.

IMHO, it's better to defer these non-essential purchases until such time you plan a trip and can bring them home yourself; hopefully as part of your personal exemption.

[milhaus]

I seriously wouldn't ship such a low value item across the border, since if it gets attributed, the combined $8.50 CP extortion fee and the taxes might be close to 50% of the declared value.

IMHO, it's better to defer these non-essential purchases until such time you plan a trip and can bring them home yourself; hopefully as part of your personal exemption.

Bollocks. I've probably made over 150 purchases declared between $10 and $100, and have not been dinged once. If I get dinged once, I'll just chalk it up to bad luck, and look at it from the perspective of the fact that while it may be 50% of the one item, it's close to 0.1% of my combined items.

[apn64]

Bollocks.

Oh, your mother must be so proud :facepalm:


I've probably made over 150 purchases declared between $10 and $100, and have not been dinged once. If I get dinged once, I'll just chalk it up to bad luck, and look at it from the perspective of the fact that while it may be 50% of the one item, it's close to 0.1% of my combined items.

Well bully for you, but your experience does not make a rule. Perhaps you're requesting items to be under-declared or marked as gifts, who cares? I've had legitimate 3rd party gifts attributed because a relative used the gift-mailing services of mastermindtoys.com etc. On appeal, the scumbags at customs decreed that retail merchants don't send gifts.

What we do know for sure is that they generally ignore items <$20 value. But in that case the cross-border shipping cost is substantial in relation to the value.

[Jimboski]

I seriously wouldn't ship such a low value item across the border, since if it gets attributed, the combined $8.50 CP extortion fee and the taxes might be close to 50% of the declared value.

IMHO, it's better to defer these non-essential purchases until such time you plan a trip and can bring them home yourself; hopefully as part of your personal exemption.

Yeah that's CP's flat rate of $8.50 right? Well If I get dinged hard then that would be a lesson learned for me regarding low value importing.

I don't think this Is the case though as they might be lenient for low value orders? My brother orders stuff from the UK/HK with low value under $100 and I don't he has been hit with the $8.50 yet..

My USPS tracking # hasn't updated since the 17th..

[flyz]

Never had anything low value taxed by CP, only on bigger purchases over 100+.

I would just take it as bad luck if you get picked for a small value/small package.

[psyko514]

I used to purchase 5+ items a week from eBay. Mostly video games & clothing. I did have duties imposed at least twice on small items.

[Jimboski]

Never had anything low value taxed by CP, only on bigger purchases over 100+.

I would just take it as bad luck if you get picked for a small value/small package.

Cool cool.


I used to purchase 5+ items a week from eBay. Mostly video games & clothing. I did have duties imposed at least twice on small items.

Did you get hit by the $8.50 flat rate from CP?