SLOW DOWN when there is snow and ice!

[Kinki]

I just came back from a deal with a RFD member :) Let me share my journey.

I pulled out of my drive and I saw snow and shiny black asphalt, so I knew right away to slow down my driving. Duh... black ice! As I approached Midland and Steeles, 5 car accident. It looked like bowling, as the cars involved were scattered at all four corner. Drove a bit south (Midland and McNicole) a car slide into another and they got out into a argument.

On my way back from the meeting I was driving about 50 in a 60 zone and a corolla zoomed right past me. As we approached a traffic light he tapped his break and made a 180 one way, 180 another way, 90... and stopped when his bumper got catch on the curb. haha

Mind you I drive a FJ Cruiser w/ all season tire and I still felt my car slipping when stopping and turning. I've driven with winter tires before and they aren't magic. You still have to slow down ppl!

[BartBandy]

I've driven with winter tires before and they aren't magic.

Agreed. Winter tires, AWD, ABS, EBD and ESC are all wonderful things, but they don't suspend the laws of physics. Failure to recognize this will lead to the use of your SRS.

[2k4accord]

I agreed, please slow down for god sake! It is Winter driving and not summer.

I was in Edmonton on Tuesday during rush hour when people are trying to get home. People were going so fast even when the roads are not clear.

I am in a RWD car with winter tires so I take it easy and I got flashed by a transport truck without any cargo. I accelerate slower than usual because it was slippery and I am in a RWD car. It was not like I am doing under the speed limit, I go with the speed of traffic.

The funny thing is I made a detour into Timmy b/c I had to go to the washroom. All those coffee cups at work didn't help. After that I go back out on that same road and it turned out one lane was blocked by a few police cruisers a bit north on that road. I caught up to that same transport truck and eventually I was ahead of him again. hahahaha

You don't need to go fast to get ahead of someone! :twisted:

[ShadowVlican]

On my way back from the meeting I was driving about 50 in a 60 zone and a corolla zoomed right past me. As we approached a traffic light he tapped his break and made a 180 one way, 180 another way, 90... and stopped when his bumper got catch on the curb. haha
GOLD

[corrupt123]

I'm glad you actually know when to slow down. I agree 100% - When there is snow down, recent rain [that has or could have frozen] and/or shiny pavement, I slow down to speeds I know I can handle.

What pisses me off is when the pavement is clean, but it's cold out so people crawl along. cold != loss of traction - at least, not to a degree large enough to justify driving 10-15 below the limit.

[cereal83]

I think people actually need to speed up when there is snow and ice. If you can't handle going atleast the speed limit in bad weather, please stay home!

[nopn]

I think people actually need to speed up when there is snow and ice. If you can't handle going atleast the speed limit in bad weather, please stay home!

I think you should be the one staying at home before any accidents happen.:evil:

[cereal83]

I think you should be the one staying at home before any accidents happen.:evil:

lol 8 years of driving, 240 in a 60 zone was my top speeding offense to date, bald tires every winter since 1999 and 0 accidents *knock on wood*. I don't think I need to stay home until my luck starts to change

:D :D :D

[corrupt123]

What do you drive?

[Tomy]

I think people actually need to speed up when there is snow and ice. If you can't handle going atleast the speed limit in bad weather, please stay home!

sarcasm at its best

you should also add, since we can slide on the ice, less gas = better mileage..


but yea. it was dangerous today.. scary!!

[PsioniC]

I cannot stand the number of cars that will start driving at 30 in a 40 as soon as there is a little snow on the ground. That is ridiculous. Increase your following distance, don't make any sudden movement and remain in control your vehicle at all times and there is no reason why you cannot continue driving at the normal posted limits.

I think it is 100% more effective to alter the way you drive, rather than the speed you drive at. Your car isnt going to lose control if you start going 40 if you already managed to get it up to 30.

If you see snow on the ground and start to get nervous about driving, then take the TTC until you can go to an empty parking lot and practice your winter driving. This is coming from someone who drives both a FWD Manual tranmission car and a RWD Automatic full size pickup in winter conditions so I know both extremes of winter driving.

[cereal83]

What do you drive?

A car and yourself?



sarcasm at its best

you should also add, since we can slide on the ice, less gas = better mileage..


but yea. it was dangerous today.. scary!!


lol You do have a point about driving on ice :) Where was it scary today? I had nothing but dry pavement for the whole drive home except for a 10 minute sprint where it was snowy and you couldn't really see but the roads weren't ice.

In all seriousness, I hate people who drive 40 in a 80 because it's hard to see but the pavement is still dry. I passed the person doing 40 and continued to do 100 and a few minutes later I looked in my rear view mirror and see a lineup of cars maybe 15-20 long. What is safer? Having 15-20 cars trying to pass you because your going half the speed limit or staying at home because u don't know how to drive in winter in CANADA?

[Avatar]

I guess everyone agree that driving too fast is not good. But I think driving too slow is not good either. Two extremes.

PPl used to drive too slow when it's the first snow in Winter time and end up late for work.

[artemm]

It was really bad on Highway 7 between the 404 and 400 at 6PM today. The road was covered with a weird white snow that looked more like ice pellets... but then turned into essentially sheer ice... I couldn't even tap the brake without ABS rumbling on me (winter tires on all 4 wheels and 4 wheel brakes.) Saw a pretty bad accident too.... and a bunch of idiots driving too fast and barely avoiding them.

If you realize you're driving on ice, slow the hell down. In fact, most ppl just turned off onto other roads to take their chances there.

[thephenom]

It was really bad on Highway 7 between the 404 and 400 at 6PM today. The road was covered with a weird white snow that looked more like ice pellets... but then turned into essentially sheer ice... I couldn't even tap the brake without ABS rumbling on me (winter tires on all 4 wheels and 4 wheel brakes.) Saw a pretty bad accident too.... and a bunch of idiots driving too fast and barely avoiding them.

If you realize you're driving on ice, slow the hell down. In fact, most ppl just turned off onto other roads to take their chances there.

Everything cleared up by the time I left work. But yeah, it was quite slippery today when I was walking from one building to another at work tonight.

[corrupt123]

A car and yourself?


lol, A "car" as well. I didn't realize your post(s) were jokes. :lol:

[cereal83]

Well I work on Hwy 7 in Woodbridge and I say no snow at 7 pm when I left and on my hour long journey home, I only saw it for like 10 km but thats like 50 km away from Woodbridge. Oh well. I just love driving in slipper conditions, getting onto the 400 in a drift around the ramp and seeing people looking at me like I am gonna crash into them. :)


lol, A "car" as well. I didn't realize your post(s) were jokes. :lol:

Well I am not gonna disclose what I drive just so there aren't crazy RDF'ers chasing down people with a similar car to mine to see if it is me and gimmie a punch to the eye because I can drive in snow. But I will give a hint, Has 4 wheels and tinted windows :D

[thephenom]

Well I work on Hwy 7 in Woodbridge and I say no snow at 7 pm when I left and on my hour long journey home, I only saw it for like 10 km but thats like 50 km away from Woodbridge. Oh well. I just love driving in slipper conditions, getting onto the 400 in a drift around the ramp and seeing people looking at me like I am gonna crash into them. :)



Well I am not gonna disclose what I drive just so there aren't crazy RDF'ers chasing down people with a similar car to mine to see if it is me and gimmie a punch to the eye because I can drive in snow. But I will give a hint, Has 4 wheels and tinted windows :D
You need to tell people more than that!!!!

How else are they going to have a tandem dorifto on the 400 ramp with you? :twisted:

[Tomy]

But I will give a hint, Has 4 wheels and tinted windows :D


me 2!! 4 wheels and tinted.. uh oh!

let's hope they don't mistaken my car as yours.. i've had enough vandeliism on my car already >:( >:(

[cereal83]

me 2!! 4 wheels and tinted.. uh oh!

let's hope they don't mistaken my car as yours.. i've had enough vandeliism on my car already >:( >:(

Oh Snap! Wouldn't want that to happen sooooo I have a license plate cover as well on the front and back.

;)

[kleptodathief]

wow black ice is pretty nasty i guess....personally i've NEVER ran into it in my life...god knows wot will happen to me tho >:( , but anyways...too many morons who can't drive in the winter time! my car is lowered and i can still drive it better then 99%... i hate those suvs that think they r GOD in snow!:evil:

[KorruptioN]

but anyways...too many morons who can't drive in the winter time! my car is lowered and i can still drive it better then 99%... i hate those suvs that think they r GOD in snow!:evil:

Anybody see the irony in this? :lol:

It's a balance of the flow of traffic and appropriate speed for the conditions.

[blainehamilton]

It's the law of darwinism. Idiots who drive too fast for road/weather conditions usually wipe out their car within the first couple of snowfalls, and put themselves out of a vehicle for a few weeks while the body shop does their work. The longer they are off the streets, the better.

On tuesday I was heading home at 1130pm north on the whitemud, not bad for normal driving, the road was clear, but heading into the river valley, the electronic warning sign that is normally dark was blazing in bright messages: 'caution, bridge deck slippery, slow down' so I dropped to 50 (it's an 80 zone) heading down the hill to the saskatchewan river crossing. Ice fog can be a ***** on bridge decks, when the road leading up to it is clear as a bell. Several cars and an SUV zipped past me doing 80 to 110.

Guess what happened as the group of 5 vehicles hit the bridge deck? BUMPER CARS!! The SUV spun out, and the following vehicles lost control when they jammed on their brakes and knocked into each other and the concrete divider. I threw on my hazards and slowed right down heading onto the bridge, avoiding the clutter of vehicles in the left lane and against the median.

I looked on with sorry eyes and shook my head as I passed the group, lesson learned. No serious accident, just a lot of bodywork to do. I I know I should have stopped, but I was just finishing a 16 hour shift, had to work again in just over 8 hours. I did see an 18 wheeler barreling down the hill towards the bridge in my rear view mirror, but there wasn't anything on the news the next day, so he must have stopped (or slowed down enough) in time.

SLOW DOWN PEOPLE!! (when road conditions require it)

[Atomic Chip]

I think people actually need to speed up when there is snow and ice. If you can't handle going atleast the speed limit in bad weather, please stay home!

Lots of truth in this. There would be fewer 'fender-bender' accidents if people learned how to drive in our Canadian conditions and didn't go so stupidly slow whenever there is snow or ice. Keep it moving, people!

[RSX-S]

People should slow down...a bit. I think some people drive TOO slow when there are snow on the road. It is not safe when people have to brake very hard to avoid rear-ending them plus all the cars changing lanes to pass them.


I think many provinces here should make winter tires mandatory. I use them every winter and there is never a time where I feel like I am loosing control of my car. And I can drive faster in winter then most cars on the road, safely.

[Azxster]

Some people need to slow the **** down and many need to speed the **** up, or at least move to the right. I hate going with the flow of traffic and then need everyone starts to slam on their brakes because some ******* is holding up traffic.

Also hate those who do 90 on the far left lane of a 5 lane freeway in the middle of the night who do not move when you high beam them.

[Tomy]

People should slow down...a bit. I think some people drive TOO slow when there are snow on the road. It is not safe when people have to brake very hard to avoid rear-ending them plus all the cars changing lanes to pass them.


I think many provinces here should make winter tires mandatory. I use them every winter and there is never a time where I feel like I am loosing control of my car. And I can drive faster in winter then most cars on the road, safely.

nice name! :)

[Slippery_Pete]

People should slow down...a bit. I think some people drive TOO slow when there are snow on the road. It is not safe when people have to brake very hard to avoid rear-ending them plus all the cars changing lanes to pass them.


I think many provinces here should make winter tires mandatory. I use them every winter and there is never a time where I feel like I am loosing control of my car. And I can drive faster in winter then most cars on the road, safely.

I drive with All-seasons and have never had a feeling of losing control.....ever. I only slow my top speed down slightly....but the key is to feather things....such as acceleration, steering, braking....and keeping a good distance. With those things in mind its very easy to drive at least the limit.

[billdozer]

cereal83 is lucky I didn't get to this thread earlier otherwise he would've been permanently banned.

[bmw_xperience]

TOTALLY AGREE!!!!

all u ppl with SUBARU's or AWD cars... YOU ARE NOT A RALLY DRIVER!!! if you can't slow down just stay in your house!

[professionaldude]

I would say Go with Traffic flow! Keep a bit more distance than usual.

[dhamilton]

I find it hilarious how many people consciously slow down for the poor driving conditions, and yet they continue to tail-gate the vehicle in front of them...yes, it's great that you can slow down but you still gotta leave a decent amount of room in front of you...

[Capt.]

I actually saw someone slide out in front of me last night because he was driving too slow. Well technically the person in front of him was. I think it was a young kid following his parents home. His parents (front car) decided they should drive about 35-40 in a 60 zone and a line started to form behind them. Going downhill so slowly made their son (back car) brake and he slid out. Nothing major because luckily no cars were coming from the other direction but it wouldn't have happened if the front car wasn't driving so slowly.

[2k4accord]

People in Toronto on RFD need to understand that the road condition everywhere else (Alberta) is NOT the same as Toronto. Toronto has a pretty good snow plowing services and they are out pretty fast right after a big snow fall.

Edmonton on the other hand, they do not have the man power or money to snow plow as fast as Toronto. The streets in Edmonton city and other cities in Alberta do not plow their streets for good reasons.

I just moved from Ontario and I have to adjust my driving in the winter. With a RWD car, it takes more control to drive in the winter even with winter tires.

On Sunday's morning, my friend and I were going on HWY 2 into Edmonton to check out the West Edmonton Mall. A pickup truck was going south bound on HWY 2 lost control and crossed the medium. He almost coming onto the north bound of HWY 2 and could of hit me. This was when the HWY was clear and no snow. I am sure he must of hit some black ice.

[gill2k]

People in Toronto on RFD need to understand that the road condition everywhere else (Alberta) is NOT the same as Toronto. Toronto has a pretty good snow plowing services and they are out pretty fast right after a big snow fall.

Edmonton on the other hand, they do not have the man power or money to snow plow as fast as Toronto. The streets in Edmonton city and other cities in Alberta do not plow their streets for good reasons.

I just moved from Ontario and I have to adjust my driving in the winter. With a RWD car, it takes more control to drive in the winter even with winter tires.

On Sunday's morning, my friend and I were going on HWY 2 into Edmonton to check out the West Edmonton Mall. A pickup truck was going south bound on HWY 2 lost control and crossed the medium. He almost coming onto the north bound of HWY 2 and could of hit me. This was when the HWY was clear and no snow. I am sure he must of hit some black ice.

Same problem here in Winnipeg. Can't clear the snow fast enough. We just got dumped with a lot of snow this morning. Went out for break around 8:00 PM and the main streets by my workplace are still not cleared.

[canadien99]

Same problem here in Winnipeg. Can't clear the snow fast enough. We just got dumped with a lot of snow this morning. Went out for break around 8:00 PM and the main streets by my workplace are still not cleared.

In conclusion, same problem anywhere outside of Toronto.

I hate people who complain about others going way too fast or those about others who drive way too slow.

What kind of accident would cause the least damage (and less chance for death/injury) ?

A slow moving one.... therefore, I hate those who drive faster, rather than those who drive slower.

Those who complain about others who drive too slow should exercise better time management and LEAVE EARLY for the conditions !

Those who like to brag about how well they can drive in the winter, wait till they have this kind of competition in your neighbourhood... but until that time comes, just think how foolish you really are.

And exercise patience.

[Atomic Chip]

I hate people who complain about others going way too fast or those about others who drive way too slow... therefore, I hate those who drive faster, rather than those who drive slower.

Sorry to hear that you have hatred in your heart. >:(

[squireglig]

I cannot stand the number of cars that will start driving at 30 in a 40 as soon as there is a little snow on the ground. That is ridiculous. Increase your following distance, don't make any sudden movement and remain in control your vehicle at all times and there is no reason why you cannot continue driving at the normal posted limits.

I think it is 100% more effective to alter the way you drive, rather than the speed you drive at. Your car isnt going to lose control if you start going 40 if you already managed to get it up to 30.

If you see snow on the ground and start to get nervous about driving, then take the TTC until you can go to an empty parking lot and practice your winter driving. This is coming from someone who drives both a FWD Manual tranmission car and a RWD Automatic full size pickup in winter conditions so I know both extremes of winter driving.

I dont really agree with this... 40 = school zone or other suburban area with high chance for kids running out into the street. Increasing following distance wont really help with that. However I do agree with this logic for other roads.

[blainehamilton]

School Zone and Playground Zone actually = 30km/h in Alberta.

With good reason. One dead kid is one too many...

[ES_Revenge]

In conclusion, same problem anywhere outside of Toronto.

I hate people who complain about others going way too fast or those about others who drive way too slow.

What kind of accident would cause the least damage (and less chance for death/injury) ?

A slow moving one.... therefore, I hate those who drive faster, rather than those who drive slower.

Those who complain about others who drive too slow should exercise better time management and LEAVE EARLY for the conditions !

Those who like to brag about how well they can drive in the winter, wait till they have this kind of competition in your neighbourhood... but until that time comes, just think how foolish you really are.

It's similarly foolish to ignore possibilities as you did. Certainly an accident at slower speed is usually less severe. However you ignore the fact that it could be possible that going more slowly creates an accident in the first place. (Not saying it has to but it is possible.) And no accident at all is better than a slow moving one ;)

[ShadowVlican]

It's similarly foolish to ignore possibilities as you did. Certainly an accident at slower speed is usually less severe. However you ignore the fact that it could be possible that going more slowly creates an accident in the first place. (Not saying it has to but it is possible.) And no accident at all is better than a slow moving one ;)
+1

you might as well hate everyone who drives :lol:

[BMNB2tches]

Because, SLOW DOWN was yelled at me, I will remember to speed up when there is snow and ice.

[Atomic Chip]

However you ignore the fact that it could be possible that going more slowly creates an accident in the first place. (Not saying it has to but it is possible.) And no accident at all is better than a slow moving one ;)

+1. Most winter accidents are caused by people going too slowly.

[cereal83]

lol this convo is still going on? I would say something but I might get banned again for speaking my mind on a public forum which obviously some people don't agree for whatever reason so they ban me!

lol

:D

Well I will say, drive at a speed that your comfortable with but if it's too slow pull over and let people pass by, don't drive in the fast lane for whatever reason or just stay at home and take a bus.

It's raining and I am sure I will have a nice drive home north of hwy 7 and lets see how many people doing 70 km/h we have in the fast lane!

:idea:

[Psycho44]

Some people need to slow the **** down and many need to speed the **** up, or at least move to the right. I hate going with the flow of traffic and then need everyone starts to slam on their brakes because some ******* is holding up traffic.

Also hate those who do 90 on the far left lane of a 5 lane freeway in the middle of the night who do not move when you high beam them.

I'd rather those that are not comfortable driving in winter conditions slow down rather than have them speed up and cause further accidents. Just stay on the far right side though so speed demons like myself can safely pass you.

[BartBandy]

+1. Most winter accidents are caused by people going too slowly.

:|

I'd like to see where you get that from.

I think we can simply agree that there is a threshold above which you should not drive, that changes by condition. That threshold is different for every car and driver, when no other traffic is around. When in a crowd, you really should adopt the approximate speed of the lowest common denominator, within reason. Passes can be made safely, but people goof when they gun it past the slowpoke in a show of frustration. That's a common cause of tow truck usage, but I'd argue it ain't the slowpoke's fault.

[Atomic Chip]

That's a common cause of tow truck usage, but I'd argue it ain't the slowpoke's fault. :eek: :rolleyes:

[DaVibe]

There's going to be a lot of accidents today. The side streets are HORRIBLE ...
I fell on my a$$ just leaving my house (which I never do) and then my car was sliding all over the place on the backstreets ...
Highways are fine, it's the regular roads you have to worry about.

Luckily, I have WINTER tires on my car. It's worth the extra $$$

[glaswegian]

I think people actually need to speed up when there is snow and ice. If you can't handle going atleast the speed limit in bad weather, please stay home!

If you are so in a hurry to get to where you are going, perhaps you should wake up a bit early...have you tried that? I bet when you end up in a ditch, you call the 911, rather than your family don't ya? :mad:

Speeding in snow conditions is madness, even speeding in general is dumb. I guess the lives of others don't mean jack to you, and you don't care about the family you are going to be leaving behind if you end up dead.

I still think Fantino should get the law change to 30km/hr over the limit, and your car gets CRUSHED:!: Yes crushed with points on your licence as well, how do you like that mr speedy gonzalez?

[dhamilton]

People in the GTA don't know what bad roads are :lol:

Go to Edmonton/Winnipeg for a winter and see what I mean!

Edmonton plows side streets when fire trucks get stuck :lol:

[romsan04]

There's going to be a lot of accidents today. The side streets are HORRIBLE ...
I fell on my a$$ just leaving my house (which I never do) and then my car was sliding all over the place on the backstreets ...
Highways are fine, it's the regular roads you have to worry about.

Luckily, I have WINTER tires on my car. It's worth the extra $$$

Winter tires on ice is like skates on ice. They don't help at all, believe me I have one. Unless you put studs in them.

Studded winter tires are the best for all conditions.

[BartBandy]

:eek: :rolleyes:

I'm not positive, but I think you disagree.

Are you saying when a driver throws a temper tantrum behind the wheel, anything that happens as a result is not their fault?

[Atomic Chip]

Dont be so judgmental. >:(

[cereal83]

If you are so in a hurry to get to where you are going, perhaps you should wake up a bit early...have you tried that? I bet when you end up in a ditch, you call the 911, rather than your family don't ya? :mad:

Speeding in snow conditions is madness, even speeding in general is dumb. I guess the lives of others don't mean jack to you, and you don't care about the family you are going to be leaving behind if you end up dead.


Why would I wake up earlier to get somewhere if I can drive the speed limit and make it on time?

BTW, I don't go into the ditch but I have and when I do, I do not call 911 or my family, I call CAA.

Speeding is fine when you are driving with the flow of traffic. Thats something people need to learn!

[Atomic Chip]

Speeding is fine when you are driving with the flow of traffic. Thats something people need to learn!

People never learn! :cry: :cry: :cry:

[BartBandy]

Dont be so judgmental. >:(

Judgemental? I don't even know what you're trying to say. Try fewer smilies and more words.

[2k4accord]

Speeding is fine when you are driving with the flow of traffic. Thats something people need to learn!

Even when the traffic flow is 200km/h?
If the cop is chasing someone and he is doing 150km/h +; will you follow him?

[cereal83]

Even when the traffic flow is 200km/h?
If the cop is chasing someone and he is doing 150km/h +; will you follow him?

If the flow is going 200 km/h then I would be proudly right behind them at 200 km/h. If Traffic is doing 120 then I will do 120, if traffic is doing 50 in a 100 zone then I will do 50 until I am able to pass the slow people.

Example, 407 around 7-8 pm, drive in the fast lane on a good night and see how fast you will be going without impeding other drivers. I bet in the fast lane your going atleast 130 km/h, if thats too fast for you, choose the lane beside it that is probably doing 120-125 km/h.

I still don't know why were arguing about this. People are going to speed and who are you to stop them? If I want to speed, it's my choice and I will suffer my consequences or I won't get caught and I will continue to speed.

Another example, driving 120 south down the 404 today, I was doing 120 in the middle lane and a cop cruised by at probably 130 in the fast lane, people were close to his ***** doing the same speed. Should the cop pull everybody over who is on his ***** and doing 30 km/h over the limit? No because it's the flow of traffic, now if everybody is doing 130 in the fast lane as somebody is doing 190, then yeah sure give him a ticket but if he is doing 130, I don't see anything wrong!

[glaswegian]

Cereal83.....you now what I do to people like you? I slam on my brake and you end up looking like a nincompoop, and if you hit my car, then even better because I'll take you for all you've got.

[sbin]

Cereal83.....you now what I do to people like you? I slam on my brake and you end up looking like a nincompoop, and if you hit my car, then even better because I'll take you for all you've got.

whats a nincompoop? explain.

[BartBandy]

Cereal83.....you now what I do to people like you? I slam on my brake and you end up looking like a nincompoop, and if you hit my car, then even better because I'll take you for all you've got.

If it helps, I think you're both bad drivers. No wonder the roadways are a mess in the winter.

[cereal83]

Cereal83.....you now what I do to people like you? I slam on my brake and you end up looking like a nincompoop, and if you hit my car, then even better because I'll take you for all you've got.

lol I know about drivers like you, but thats ok. My insurance goes up $400 and you now have a car that has been hit and is not worth as much. You also can't take me for all I am worth as I have INSURANCE. You sound like your new to the country also!

Man, ignorant people make the world go round!

[glaswegian]

You crack me up fella....your insurance goes up, and you also have to repair my car. Oh and there are lawyers queuing up for cases like this, especially when my health is brought into it.

I have relatives that are barristers, and they just love people like you...keep it up eh



lol I know about drivers like you, but thats ok. My insurance goes up $400 and you now have a car that has been hit and is not worth as much. You also can't take me for all I am worth as I have INSURANCE. You sound like your new to the country also!

Man, ignorant people make the world go round!

[glaswegian]

whats a nincompoop? explain.


Spend more time with a good dictionary, you might want to even add that to your xmas wish list. That is like asking what a ninny is really

[cereal83]

You crack me up fella....your insurance goes up, and you also have to repair my car. Oh and there are lawyers queuing up for cases like this, especially when my health is brought into it.

I have relatives that are barristers, and they just love people like you...keep it up eh

My guess is that you drive a POS corolla or something similar so even if you did slam the brakes, I would stop before you unless I was looking at the floor but we can test it out tonight if you want, we can go for a drive and i will drive behind you and lets see what happens.

Again, I have insurance so you can't take me for all I am worth, sure my car insurance goes up a few hundred dollars but if I can afford the $700 a month for insurance that I used to pay, what makes you think I can't pay that again incase I did get into an accident? I mean I do drive a 2007 and I do get a new car every 1-2 years.

Get your imaginary family lawyers involved too, I am not scared. lol

Ignorance is bliss! :cheesygri

[thephenom]

My guess is that you drive a POS corolla or something similar so even if you did slam the brakes, I would stop before you unless I was looking at the floor but we can test it out tonight if you want, we can go for a drive and i will drive behind you and lets see what happens.

Again, I have insurance so you can't take me for all I am worth, sure my car insurance goes up a few hundred dollars but if I can afford the $700 a month for insurance that I used to pay, what makes you think I can't pay that again incase I did get into an accident? I mean I do drive a 2007 and I do get a new car every 1-2 years.

Get your imaginary family lawyers involved too, I am not scared. lol

Ignorance is bliss! :cheesygri

Most insurance coverage only covers you up to $1M in liability, maybe $2M if you paid extra, but I haven't heard of unlimited liability coverage before.

So technically, if he sued you for $1.5M, your insurance company will provide lawyer(s) to you since they need to pay the first $1M if they lose. Now let's say you did lose the case, and the judge awarded him $1.5M, then your insurance company will be paying him $1M, and you personally will need to pay him the rest of the $500k.

Insurance doesn't cover everything.

[BartBandy]

This is like watching children Sumo wrestle.

[Atomic Chip]

Now let's say you did lose the case, and the judge awarded him $1.5M, then your insurance company will be paying him $1M, and you personally will need to pay him the rest of the $500k. Insurance doesn't cover everything.

$1.5 million for a minor rear-end collision and associated soft-tissue injuries? In Texas, maybe! :cheesygri

[thephenom]

$1.5 million for a minor rear-end collision and associated soft-tissue injuries? In Texas, maybe! :cheesygri
Naw, it's always the emotional trauma that adds up the bill.

[WontonTiger]

Cereal83.....you now what I do to people like you? I slam on my brake and you end up looking like a nincompoop, and if you hit my car, then even better because I'll take you for all you've got.

Sooo.... I guess you are a jealous person. If I can't handle driving 50, THEN NO ONE WILL!!!! Does that make you feel better about yourself? Do you realize that you probably cause more accidents than you avoid with a mentality like that?

Speed kills... If you can't handle driving fast. I would argue that bad drivers kill, especially bad drivers that speed. People like you should not have a license, as you don't seem capable of handling driving.

I think the problem is that too many people have a license, and our system never teaches them the basics of winter driving. I could go on and on, however this post wreaked of smugness, pettiness, and jealousy, so I had to comment.

Get a life man, and stop trying to cause accidents.

[WontonTiger]

You crack me up fella....your insurance goes up, and you also have to repair my car. Oh and there are lawyers queuing up for cases like this, especially when my health is brought into it.

I have relatives that are barristers, and they just love people like you...keep it up eh

:confused: :rolleyes:

You obviously don't have relatives that are barristers (or you've never taken the time to speak with them about this). If you did, then you would know that unless you are negligent, no fault practically handles everything. Even if you did sue and win, his insurance company would cover everything.

[cereal83]

Most insurance coverage only covers you up to $1M in liability, maybe $2M if you paid extra, but I haven't heard of unlimited liability coverage before.

So technically, if he sued you for $1.5M, your insurance company will provide lawyer(s) to you since they need to pay the first $1M if they lose. Now let's say you did lose the case, and the judge awarded him $1.5M, then your insurance company will be paying him $1M, and you personally will need to pay him the rest of the $500k.

Insurance doesn't cover everything.

Yes you are very correct and that is why I have 2 million liability. My dad always told me to spend the extra $25 a month and get that so I have listened to him.

[thephenom]

Yes you are very correct and that is why I have 2 million liability. My dad always told me to spend the extra $25 a month and get that so I have listened to him.

I guess with the way you like to drive fast while everyone is slowing down for snow and ice, that $300 extra per year is a good insurance when someone you kill another driver or pedestrian.

[Atomic Chip]

Do you realize that you probably cause more accidents than you avoid with a mentality like that?

I think the problem is that too many people have a license, and our system never teaches them the basics of winter driving. I could go on and on, however this post wreaked of smugness, pettiness, and jealousy, so I had to comment.

Get a life man, and stop trying to cause accidents.

+1

[Fox2k]

wow.

:|

Well, I guess Toronto has a rep for a reason :confused:

[Jay1234]

Cereal83.....you now what I do to people like you? I slam on my brake and you end up looking like a nincompoop, and if you hit my car, then even better because I'll take you for all you've got.

Actually this behaviour also falls under the "street racing" law, you can loose your car for a week, have a lot of points added to your license and pay a big fine.

Thanks for your contribution to the Province of Ontario!

[sbin]

I guess with the way you like to drive fast while everyone is slowing down for snow and ice, that $300 extra per year is a good insurance when someone you kill another driver or pedestrian.

u are definitely wrong there. the insurance company technically would rather u "kill" someone than seriously injure someone. for all i know is that unless u hit a movie star or some VIP in normal accidents, settlements are usually no more than 100k. but if u seriously injure them, the insurance company has to pay more to settle.

[BartBandy]

wow.

:|

Well, I guess Toronto has a rep for a reason :confused:

We're not all like this. It just seems that way.

[Slippery_Pete]

Ignorance is bliss! :cheesygri

Yes it is. You are living proof.

[cereal83]

Yes it is. You are living proof.

You just proved my point there essay!

[glaswegian]

Time for a cereal change me think :idea: Try all bran, it has calming and soothing powers

[glaswegian]

Actually this behaviour also falls under the "street racing" law, you can loose your car for a week, have a lot of points added to your license and pay a big fine.

Thanks for your contribution to the Province of Ontario!

Complete and utter bollocks

[AzN_RiverdaleCI]

Time for a cereal change me think :idea: Try all bran, it has calming and soothing powers

Nevar! HNC FTW!

[cereal83]

Time for a cereal change me think :idea: Try all bran, it has calming and soothing powers

I actually eat All Bran. Also you might think you sound smart or funny but to a person born in Canada, your jokes are a a grade 2 level and they are ridiculously stupid.

Have fun and watch out, Karma isn't always fair!

:)

[rb]

Some misconceptions here re insurance - let me clarify as I used to work in claims

In Ontario you cannot sue for injury UNLESS you meet threshold - "Claims for damages for pain and suffering, loss of enjoyment of life and loss of the amenities of life are barred unless they meet a threshold requirement that the injury results in a serious permanent impairment of an important physical, mental or psychological function." claims have a 30k deductible mostly. Very rarely do claims exceed $1m settlement. You can claim a gazillion , billion dollars doesn't mean you'll get it. Remember most of costs of injuries are covered by YOUR OWN accident benefits.

[ShadowVlican]

Actually this behaviour also falls under the "street racing" law, you can loose your car for a week, have a lot of points added to your license and pay a big fine.

Thanks for your contribution to the Province of Ontario!
granted i hate people who do this for a living (as well as drive sh|tboxes around parking lots and ramming people who backup for purposes of extortion)...

..i fail to see how slamming on your brakes and causing the tailgater to rear end you constitutes as street racing

[blainehamilton]

Speeding is fine when you are driving with the flow of traffic. Thats something people need to learn!

WRONG!!!

Speeding is fine when road conditions are less than ideal...

...until you need to stop.

When a semi or tanker truck jackknifes on a patch of black ice while lane changing 50 meters ahead of you, remember what you said here.

If you're going 130km/h on icy roads, you're toast. If you're going 80 to 110, you will probably ditch, or maybe hit him, but will likely survive. 70 and you'll likely stop in time, avoid if your driving skills are as good as you say they are, or walk away from any accident that does occur.

Everytime you read about a hiway pileup, that's a perfect example of people thinking going 'with the flow of traffic' is fine, maybe a little faster even...

Btw, cereal, you do realize all the comments you have made on this and god knows whatever other forums becomes a real liability if you do cause an accident? (and possibly hurt or kill someone)

[cereal83]

WRONG!!!

Speeding is fine when road conditions are less than ideal...

...until you need to stop.

When a semi or tanker truck jackknifes on a patch of black ice while lane changing 50 meters ahead of you, remember what you said here.

If you're going 130km/h on icy roads, you're toast. If you're going 80 to 110, you will probably ditch, or maybe hit him, but will likely survive. 70 and you'll likely stop in time, avoid if your driving skills are as good as you say they are, or walk away from any accident that does occur.

Everytime you read about a hiway pileup, that's a perfect example of people thinking going 'with the flow of traffic' is fine, maybe a little faster even...

Btw, cereal, you do realize all the comments you have made on this and god knows whatever other forums becomes a real liability if you do cause an accident? (and possibly hurt or kill someone)

I am not gonna argue when speeding is fine or not because everybody has a different opinion and I really never see a reason why I wouldn't be speeding unless I see police.

I know accidents can happen if I am speeding but thats a chance I take. While even if I am doing the speed limit, accidents can happen also.

Doesn't mean just because you do 130 on a icy road your gonna die or your screwed and if you go 20 km/h less you will only ditch a car, every situation is different and we can only try to predict what would happen.

Comment made by me here are not admissible in court as there is no way to prove it my actually me who wrote it. There are several people in my house and my computer is unlocked so it can be anyone. I also log in from 3-4 different locations all with the same IP address so that will also send them into a dead end if they try to trace my ip.

[Slippery_Pete]

You just proved my point there essay!

No, no...You just proved my point right there ^ Hahaha.....how's the weather Blisstonia "essay"...:rolleyes:

[blainehamilton]

Comment made by me here are not admissible in court as there is no way to prove it my actually me who wrote it. There are several people in my house and my computer is unlocked so it can be anyone. I also log in from 3-4 different locations all with the same IP address so that will also send them into a dead end if they try to trace my ip.

True, but if you ever post a thread like 'I just wrecked my car' or 'I just had a fender bender' or 'I'll be in jail for 12 to 24 months for mowing down someone in a crosswalk', we reserve the right to flame and humiliate you as much as we please...

If you won't drive reasonable, at least post your traffic routes so we can avoid them...

[cereal83]

No, no...You just proved my point right there ^ Hahaha.....how's the weather Blisstonia "essay"...:rolleyes:

I like cake



True, but if you ever post a thread like 'I just wrecked my car' or 'I just had a fender bender' or 'I'll be in jail for 12 to 24 months for mowing down someone in a crosswalk', we reserve the right to flame and humiliate you as much as we please...

If you won't drive reasonable, at least post your traffic routes so we can avoid them...

Ok, laugh away :)

Umm my routes would be 404, 400, 401, Hwy 7, Steels and 407. I am on all those routes everyday!

[brendonp]

..i fail to see how slamming on your brakes and causing the tailgater to rear end you constitutes as street racing

I'm sure it's not considered "street racing" per se, however it was enacted under the same legislation and is an offence for which you can lose (at least temporarily) your vehicle - there's a ton of other offences as well. I don't happen to have a link handy to the legislation, but google is everyone's friend if you are curious about the various other "street" racing offences.



Cereal83.....you now what I do to people like you? I slam on my brake and you end up looking like a nincompoop, and if you hit my car, then even better because I'll take you for all you've got.

While I can't say I agree with cereal (actually I typically just skim by most of his posts), this would actually be a very bad idea since it is an offence.

Were someone actually convicted of this and it got back to your insurance company (which it would!), I'd hazard a guess that they'd consider dumping you on "fraud" grounds - and to top it all off you'd probably end up paying for all damages personally - insurance doesn't cover you if you are committing a crime or attempting to defraud the system...

If you forget about the entire insurance side of it, the entire concept of slamming on your brakes to cause an accident is probably one of the dummest ideas while driving - probably much worse then speeding. When you engage in this behaviour you are actively trying to harm someone, where most speeders can probably only be accused of bad judgement (stupidity, whatever) - not that it's acceptable, it's just not usually malicious.

Some people will say "they (the other person) has a nicer car - they're out more money if an accident occurs - I've won!"... If you drive a crappy/cheap car and the person you are "targetting" has a nicer/newer vehicle this doesn't make you (or them) any less dead or injured when things go wrong. Having relatives/siblings/associates/etc who are lawyers also doesn't help you when your dead either. I can't imagine anyone saying "I'd rather die then put up with some schmuck racing by me", or even "I'm sorry Mr/Ms. Jones, but I killed your wife/husband because he was driving too fast for the conditions".

Think I'll step off my soap-box now... ;)

G'night!

[kbjy11]

cereal83, you sure like to stir the s&*( eh?

It's one thing to be a reckless driver, but to promote it and boast about it on an internet forum? pathetic...

lmao you're an idiot... one day you'll learn your lesson, hopefully it doesn't kill
anyone on the road in the process.

[cereal83]

cereal83, you sure like to stir the s&*( eh?

It's one thing to be a reckless driver, but to promote it and boast about it on an internet forum? pathetic...

lmao you're an idiot... one day you'll learn your lesson, hopefully it doesn't kill
anyone on the road in the process.

lol hopefully it's somebody you know. You think I drive reckless but I really don't. I don't go drifting in rush hour traffic, pass when it's not safe to or anything like that.

kthxbye

[dragon_drift]

when the the road is hazardous, slow the hell down. those that wants to drive fast, can do so and die without any sympathy from me.

[Atomic Chip]

If you forget about the entire insurance side of it, the entire concept of slamming on your brakes to cause an accident is probably one of the dummest ideas while driving - probably much worse then speeding. When you engage in this behaviour you are actively trying to harm someone, where most speeders can probably only be accused of bad judgement (stupidity, whatever) - not that it's acceptable, it's just not usually malicious.

Absolutely correct.


Some people will say "they (the other person) has a nicer car - they're out more money if an accident occurs - I've won!"... If you drive a crappy/cheap car and the person you are "targetting" has a nicer/newer vehicle this doesn't make you (or them) any less dead or injured when things go wrong.

Actually if you are driving an old beater and the other person is driving a new car (equipped with all the latest safety features), it is likely that you will be more seriously injured than they will.

[Jay1234]

Complete and utter bollocks

Really?

Maybe you should check out the following: http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/regs/english/elaws_regs_070455_e.htm




8. Driving a motor vehicle without due care and attention, without reasonable consideration for other persons using the highway or in a manner that may endanger any person by,

i. driving a motor vehicle in a manner that indicates an intention to prevent another vehicle from passing,

ii. stopping or slowing down a motor vehicle in a manner that indicates the driver’s sole intention in stopping or slowing down is to interfere with the movement of another vehicle by cutting off its passage on the highway or to cause another vehicle to stop or slow down in circumstances where the other vehicle would not ordinarily do so,


Jay

[Fox2k]

Really?

Maybe you should check out the following: http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/regs/english/elaws_regs_070455_e.htm



Jay
wow nice find. Although I'm not sure why that falls under the category ot 'stunts' :confused: plain wreckless driving would be mroe appropriate I think.

[boxingday]

Yes you are very correct and that is why I have 2 million liability. My dad always told me to spend the extra $25 a month and get that so I have listened to him.

So you have insurance thats all great if you hit another car.However if you hit someone walking you could face criminal charges.

[Jay1234]

wow nice find. Although I'm not sure why that falls under the category ot 'stunts' :confused: plain wreckless driving would be mroe appropriate I think.

It falls under the new "Speed Racing Law" in the stunts section. This means you can face a 1 week impound of your car and a big fine. This is much more then a wreckless offense.

Jay