Jenna McCarthy on BT: Childrens Vaccines cause Autism

[Happy13178]

Did anyone watch BT this morning? They had Jenna McCarthy on talking about her books and her son, etc, and she was railing against the CDC for pushing vaccines for children, saying that small childrens bodies can't handle all the toxins from them all at once, and when she "cleared" the toxins from her sons body, he lost his autism diagnosis. She was also saying that while she's not a doctor, she has a PhD from reading google diagnosis's.

It kind of sounded like a bunch of new-age holistic junk, and she was going on about needing to give your kids vitamins and keep them clear of toxins. While I can't imagine giving your kids vitamins and keeping them healthy/limiting the amount of toxins could be bad, I also don't think she has any idea of how vaccines work, if she's calling them toxins and saying she cleared them from her son's body in 6 months. Anyone else have any ideas on this?

[jopojo]

I was listening to her on 97.3 EZ Rock this morning.

When she suddenly started using some kind of analogy comparing baby milk with marijuana, I completely lost faith in what she had to say.

[3weddings]

Hello???? It's Jenny McCarthy we're talking about, not a qualified medical professional. A woman who's claim to fame is.....wait there is no claim to fame. (hehe hubby reminded me what it was...lol....farting in an elevator for a Candies commercial)

A grain of salt is all her comments are worth.

Rogers programming at it's best....not

[Psubs]

Hello???? It's Jenny McCarthy we're talking about, not a qualified medical professional. A woman who's claim to fame is.....wait there is no claim to fame. (hehe hubby reminded me what it was...lol....farting in an elevator for a Candies commercial)

A grain of salt is all her comments are worth.

Rogers programming at it's best....not

NO CLAIM TO FAME?!?!?! :evil:

Uhm, total Playboy hottie!!! HELLO!!!! :cheesygri

[3weddings]

NO CLAIM TO FAME?!?!?! :evil:

Uhm, total Playboy hottie!!! HELLO!!!! :cheesygri

I rest my case.....that makes her no authority on our medical system. :cheesygri :cheesygri

Remember Americans jones our health care system!!!

[danfromwaterloo]

Did anyone watch BT this morning? They had Jenna McCarthy on talking about her books and her son, etc, and she was railing against the CDC for pushing vaccines for children, saying that small childrens bodies can't handle all the toxins from them all at once, and when she "cleared" the toxins from her sons body, he lost his autism diagnosis. She was also saying that while she's not a doctor, she has a PhD from reading google diagnosis's.

It kind of sounded like a bunch of new-age holistic junk, and she was going on about needing to give your kids vitamins and keep them clear of toxins. While I can't imagine giving your kids vitamins and keeping them healthy/limiting the amount of toxins could be bad, I also don't think she has any idea of how vaccines work, if she's calling them toxins and saying she cleared them from her son's body in 6 months. Anyone else have any ideas on this?

Toxins are a GOOD thing. If your kids are exposed to toxins - small amounts - they build this thing called an immune system. As a result they don't get sick.

There was a report a while ago that said that there's almost no incidence of children in the third world having asthma or allergies - scientists chalk this up to their exposure to dirt, bacteria, and allergens which allow their systems to build up immunity.

I'm not in support of pumping arsenic into kids arms, but if you look at the benefits of vaccines versus the downsides, her argument is ridiculous. Would you rather have hundreds of parents crying fowl over their autistic children getting autism from vaccines - assuming the link is truly causitive - or would you have thousands (or millions) crying over their dead children's bodies when they contract an incurable disease that could have been treated with a simple vaccine.

It's a game of numbers - and I'd rather bet on the side of percentages.

[Happy13178]

Toxins are a GOOD thing. If your kids are exposed to toxins - small amounts - they build this thing called an immune system. As a result they don't get sick.

There was a report a while ago that said that there's almost no incidence of children in the third world having asthma or allergies - scientists chalk this up to their exposure to dirt, bacteria, and allergens which allow their systems to build up immunity.

I'm not in support of pumping arsenic into kids arms, but if you look at the benefits of vaccines versus the downsides, her argument is ridiculous. Would you rather have hundreds of parents crying fowl over their autistic children getting autism from vaccines - assuming the link is truly causitive - or would you have thousands (or millions) crying over their dead children's bodies when they contract an incurable disease that could have been treated with a simple vaccine.

It's a game of numbers - and I'd rather bet on the side of percentages.

That was my point. I'm certain that in some isolated cases, vaccines can cause problems, maybe making some existing conditions worse, etc. Most medicine has this effect on a small percentage of the population. But if the choice is your kid crying and maybe getting a little post-vaccine cold, or some of the diseases the vaccines protect against, I can't see why anyone wouldn't do it. Its irresponsible.

And yeah, in small doses toxins are good. Its the same with diet and most other things. Everything in moderation. When she said she had a PhD in google I almost choked.

[cmge]

she has a PhD from reading google diagnosis's.


thats something to be proud of... :lol:

[boonjaca]

In addition to taking your vitamins, don't forget to train and say your prayers :evil:

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[ZenOps]

Risk vs reward. She does have a point however.

I think a good number of parents would be willing to risk a child not having protection against some diseases until they are older.

Anyone who has had a booster shot knows how bad you feel for a few days afterward. At the critical juncture of an infant, subjecting them to an initial shot (which is harder on the body than a booster) may actually be stunting the natural progression of human development.

I can totally understand delaying the first of the more dangerous vaccinations (like the ones that can cause brain swelling) until just before puberty. The vaccination will still be effective at conveying its properties upon the next generation when they become adults.

So as long as you can survive to puberty naturally, its all good.

And if you don't - Some would say thats just the way it was meant to be.

It is however infinitely more socially responsible to have the shots early in life to prevent disease transmission to neighbors. It is quite arrogant and irresponsible to others to not take the shots early in life. Just like its arrogant and irresponsible for anyone to not wear a helmet when riding a motorcycle.

[sixer]

pics?

[Byrns]

She's not alone in her thinking.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/02/27/lkl.autism.long.cnn

[Psubs]

pics?

Trying a new remedy to remove surface toxins.

[king_george]

She's also saying that the Thimerosol in vaccines is bad for you...it might be, but hasn't been in use in decades.
You can take all the vitamins and minerals you please, but your body will simply excrete any excess so massive doses will not help and could possibly hurt.

Another hollywood babboon who thinks what she says is important.

I'd like to smack anyone who risks their childs health because of anything this bimbo says. I suppose it's better to let them risk polio than to almost guarantee the child won't get it.

Anti-vaxers are truly brain-dead dolts. JM is a textbook example of hollywood kookery at it's finest.

[Ma_Jie]

She's also a hugely famous movie star -- she was in Base-ketball:lol:

[Happy13178]

I like how she thinks that by making the kid eat healthy and take vitamins it flushed the effects of the vaccine out of the kids body. Maybe its just me, but I'm pretty sure thats not the way it works.

[sixer]

Trying a new remedy to remove surface toxins.

NSFW!!!

http://s3.amazonaws.com/static.onmylist.com/list_item_images/29747/Jenny_McCarthy_list_view.jpg

haha, nice!

[CoinSaver]

John McCain also believes this garbage:
http://chronicle.com/blogs/election/1794/john-mccains-autism-comment-prompts-outrage-in-the-science-blogosphere

Science? who needs science?

[mysticalinfluence]

Lol her kid is just dumb like her but she needs an excuse so she blames vaccines instead of her crappy genes.

I find your post offensive my nephew is mildly autistic and his manors, behavior and intelligence far exceed *cough cough* some people. Infact you would not even know he was autistic if his mother did not tell you. This thead should be locked it not funny at all.

[Happy13178]

I find your post offensive my nephew is mildly autistic and his manors, behavior and intelligence far exceed *cough cough* some people. Infact you would not even know he was autistic if his mother did not tell you. This thead should be locked it not funny at all.

Can't speak for guys comments, but the post wasn't meant to offend autistic kids...its questioning Jenna's views on not vaccinating her kid.

[jl001]

She's also a hugely famous movie star -- she was in Base-ketball:lol:

Really? It's the same Jenny McCarthy from PB and MTV?
OP had it as Jenna... Made me think it was Jenna Jamieson who is equally intelligent...

[king_george]

John McCain also believes this garbage:
http://chronicle.com/blogs/election/1794/john-mccains-autism-comment-prompts-outrage-in-the-science-blogosphere

Science? who needs science?

McCain joins the ranks of the ignorant a-holes.

You think Bush was (is) a bad president? Wait and see if this idiot wins. Voodoo science and unsupported allegations will trump real science.

I wonder if any of the anti-vaxers have had children with easily preventable diseases like polio, rubella and pertussis? I hate to say this, but I can't sympathize with them as their child suffers and carries the scars of the disease forever. I feel great sadness for the children though. Poor kids paying the price of their parents stupidity. Some will even pay the ultimate price for their parents.

Hopefully McCain will get snowed under by Obama. We can only hope based on that article. Might be a good political pairing...McCain and McCarthy...two idiots in search of a village.

[ZenOps]

But Obama wants to "renegotiate NAFTA to the US' advantage"

Any man that wants to break a fair trade treaty - is pretty shify in my book. Protectionalist nationalism is a dangerous game.

[ZenOps]

Early vaccinations were actually lead based...

Now hows that for stupidity, injecting lead right into the body. I'm old enough to have had one of the vaccinations that are now banned from use - which does tend to make me think a bit about how much people really thought ahead on these things.

[NDman]

But Obama wants to "renegotiate NAFTA to the US' advantage"


Didn't you get the memo? Oh wait...

[king_george]

Early vaccinations were actually lead based...

Now hows that for stupidity, injecting lead right into the body. I'm old enough to have had one of the vaccinations that are now banned from use - which does tend to make me think a bit about how much people really thought ahead on these things.

I didn't know that. About what year were these done?

I clearly remember as a child in the early 60's we had to take our anti-flu medication at school by having a pink drop of something on a sugar cube. The more enterprenurial kids managed to get back in line a few times. :lol:

The vaccinations we had in the gym were done using needles the size of railway spikes (or maybe my memory is a bit faulty :D ). I still have the scar on my left bicep from 1963 when we had polio vaccinations done.

[king_george]

But Obama wants to "renegotiate NAFTA to the US' advantage"

Any man that wants to break a fair trade treaty - is pretty shify in my book. Protectionalist nationalism is a dangerous game.


Didn't your hear? He forgot to add the *nudge nudge wink wink* to the memo. :D

[Psubs]

She's going to be on The Hour tonight at 11 pm on CBC. I'm just going to turn to it and turn off the sound. :|

[ChiefRocker]

Not that I am against vaccines but...
In the US and canada there may be some issues with the vaccines. Check out vran.org for some information.
Research what goes into your kids. Medicine does make mistakes from time to time, who knows maybe Autism is related, until they find a true cause we have no answers.

[Emancipated]

Sounds like it's the same vein as Tom Cruise and his crusade against psycho-therapy or anti-depressants. I don't know but our bodies are somewhere in the neighborhood of 90% bacteria (good and bad). We're made out of crap.

[hover42]

Not that I am against vaccines but...

Research what goes into your kids. Medicine does make mistakes from time to time, who knows maybe Autism is related, until they find a true cause we have no answers.

Be wary, be informed, and decide on your own.

Medicine has made many disasters, and many good things. Look up "thalidomide" if you're interested. Or "lobotomies", a medical procedure made popular in the 50's in which an ice pick (true: the first lobotomies were done with an ice pick) was inserted behind the eyeball into the brain and stirred to destroy parts of the brain in order to "cure" patients with behavioral disorders. It had a very low success rate...

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5014080

Medicine is an experimental science. With experimentation comes good results and, sometimes, lousy results. We're all guinea pigs... The sad part is seeing that children are also guinea pigs...

[chococrazy]

This is one of those subjects that I would definitely read up on if I got pregnant. Having had a long-lasting side effect from meds that I was on in my 20s has taught me to READ the fine print and yes, google before taking any med.

The more information and views on stuff, the better. It will lead to people being better informed, and then you can make your OWN decision!

And no, I am not anti-vaccine! I'm always up to date on mine, including flu shots.

[wetnose]

House's take on vaccines:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCPkoqGyVpI&feature=related

See 7.13

[trini]

While the amount of VACCINES or should i say cocktail in a short space of time not to mention he mercury might be the most likely culprit.

Good old Jen forgot to mention her wild party days, drinking, hard liquor and drugs, sex with anything that moves might be the cause of some of her heartache and who knows the occasional abortion.

[masterhapposai]

She's also saying that the Thimerosol in vaccines is bad for you...it might be, but hasn't been in use in decades.You can take all the vitamins and minerals you please, but your body will simply excrete any excess so massive doses will not help and could possibly hurt.

Another hollywood babboon who thinks what she says is important.

I'd like to smack anyone who risks their childs health because of anything this bimbo says. I suppose it's better to let them risk polio than to almost guarantee the child won't get it.

Anti-vaxers are truly brain-dead dolts. JM is a textbook example of hollywood kookery at it's finest.

false

They're not all off the market, and that's how a family just won in the U.S after proving the vaccine caused the damage. This is going to start a cascade of lawsuits. The rabbit hole for this is massive, the truth's finally getting out after decades of raping and pillaging people's health.

And btw, Canada still puts that crap inside the YEARLY FLU VACCINE. wtf!

Humans need to build natural resistances and evolve. You make them weak by artificially creating immune systems. Africans gaining immunity to malaria, Russians are gaining immunity to AIDs. No vaccine involved there, humans were built to change and become stronger.

[ariell]

I don't know why people are being so critical of Jenny McCarthy. She certainly didn't just make up the notion that autism is linked to vaccinations. While there are no definitive answers, there has definitely been alot of research exploring the link between vaccination and autism. I suggest you take a peak here: http://www.generationrescue.org/studies.html

Here are the conclusions of one report:"There is no evidence that a loosening in the diagnostic criteria has contributed to increased number of autism clients...we conclude that some, if not all, of the observed increase represents a true increase in cases of autism in California...a purely genetic basis for autism does not fully explain the increasing autism prevalence. Other theories that attempt to better explain the observed increase in autism cases include environmental exposures to substances such as mercury; viral exposures; autoimmune disorders; and childhood vaccinations."

Just last week, there was a landmark case in the US where the gov't agreed a girl's 'autistic-like symptoms' were caused by vaccination:

"JUST as the dispute over whether vaccines cause autism was dying down at last, a US government decision has added fresh fuel to the fire. Last week it emerged that the federal government is to compensate a couple who say that the regular childhood vaccines, given to their baby daughter in 2000, caused her to develop autism. Damages have not yet been set, but could exceed $1 million.

Significantly, the government's decision says nothing about whether vaccines cause autism. Instead, government lawyers concluded only that vaccines aggravated a pre-existing cellular disorder in the child, causing brain damage that included features of autism."
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg19726464.100-autism-payout-reignites-vaccine-controversy.html?feedId=online-news_rss20.

Aside from the autism issue, vaccines are well known to cause a range of side effects. The US actually has something called the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP) which is set up to compensate people who have suffered injury or death due to vaccinations. Every year, there are over 12,000 reports of adverse effects and over 100 vaccine-related deaths, the majority of them from the pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine -- the P in DPT. Since it's inception in the 80's the NVICP has paid out nearly $2 BILLION dollars in compensation.

There has been talk of instituting a similar program here in Canada since the 80's. There was an article last year in the Canadian Medical Association Journal calling again for its introduction. The article states in part "the necessarily rapid roll-out of vaccines in the event of pandemic influenza means that people will inevitably be exposed to vaccines for which there will be too little time for a complete determination of safety". Well that's reassuring, isn't it?? http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/176/12/1681

[Spare-Flair]

Sounds alarmingly like a Scientologist...

[cheeseshredder]

She's also saying that the Thimerosol in vaccines is bad for you...it might be, but hasn't been in use in decades.
You can take all the vitamins and minerals you please, but your body will simply excrete any excess so massive doses will not help and could possibly hurt.


Of course it's harmful: "Thiomersal is very toxic by inhalation, ingestion, and in contact with skin (EC hazard symbol T+), with danger of cumulative effect"

No amount of toxic chemical will help you "build your immune system". :cheesygri

Thiomersal (Thimerosal) is still used because of cost. However, it is being phased out.

[kleptodathief]

any vidcaps/screenshots of her? shes like wat 40 now? i bet still smoking hot? :cheesygri

[najibs]

Hello???? It's Jenny McCarthy we're talking about, not a qualified medical professional. A woman who's claim to fame is.....wait there is no claim to fame.

Doesn't matter. I'd love to be the baby feeding off those breasts! *suckle suckle* :twisted:

http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/celebs/jennymccarthy/jenny_mccarthy_10.jpg

[Ebola]

Doesn't matter. :twisted:


+1

I think this quote by Ms. McCarthy is quite relevant, and why we all love her.



“Guys who want to date me think I’m a ball-buster. The truth is if you’re a powerful man who makes me feel like a queen, I’ll drop to my knees and give you some regal head. I never want to feel better than my man."

I hate you Jim Carrey.

[CheapScotsman]

Government Concedes Vaccine-Autism Case in Federal Court ... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/government-concedes-vacci_b_88323.html

and he quotes the Federal Court documents here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/the-vaccineautism-court-_b_88558.html

[hiredmuscle]

false

They're not all off the market, and that's how a family just won in the U.S after proving the vaccine caused the damage. This is going to start a cascade of lawsuits. The rabbit hole for this is massive, the truth's finally getting out after decades of raping and pillaging people's health.

And btw, Canada still puts that crap inside the YEARLY FLU VACCINE. wtf!

Humans need to build natural resistances and evolve. You make them weak by artificially creating immune systems. Africans gaining immunity to malaria, Russians are gaining immunity to AIDs. No vaccine involved there, humans were built to change and become stronger.

Wow that's just total bs being spewed there. Africans don't die as easily from malaria compared to a North American that's never been there, but that's also because they have way higher incidences of certain mutations. These are X-men type cool mutations either- they're stuff like Sickle cell which causes anemia. Immunity to AIDs? There are people out there that are resistant to HIV, but they're definitely far and few between. If you got infected "naturally" with HIV by someone else, you are most likely going to get AIDs- your body will not learn to defeat it. Sure people evolve, but that only happens if you're willing to let everyone else who isn't immune (likely including you and your loved ones) to die off.

As for the autism debate, it's hardly proven. http://www.quackwatch.com/03HealthPromotion/immu/autism.html

"Some parents of children with autism believe that there is a link between measles, mumps, rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism. However, there is no sensible reason to believe that any vaccine can cause autism or any kind of behavioral disorder. Typically, symptoms of autism are first noted by parents as their child begins to have difficulty with delays in speaking after age one. MMR vaccine is first given to children at 12-15 months of age. Since this is also an age when autism commonly becomes apparent, it is not surprising that autism follows MMR immunization in some cases. However, by far the most logical explanation is coincidence, not cause-and-effect."

In addition, one way vaccines work other than stimulating your immunity is by "herd immunity." If the majority of people in a population are immune, then the ones that aren't immunized are protected cuz the virus has nowhere to spread. Not immunizing your child is basically freeloading off the good will of the public. Secondly, sure while a healthy individual probably won't die from the flu, if they caught it, they could spread it to grandma or whoever else is weaker, and then that's when the flu will be likely fatal.

[king_george]

Of course it's harmful: "Thiomersal is very toxic by inhalation, ingestion, and in contact with skin (EC hazard symbol T+), with danger of cumulative effect"

Is it harmful in the quantities that used to be in the vaccination? Is it harmful when injected IM?


No amount of toxic chemical will help you "build your immune system". :cheesygri

Duh. It's the inactive bacteria/viruses that build up the immune system.

Thiomersal (Thimerosal) is still used because of cost. However, it is being phased out.

And quite rapidly too as other less controversial preservatives are developed.
Still no one has proven a link between thimerosol and autism. It's all scare mongering and pseudo-science at this point.
I made amistake saying that it hasn't been in common use in decades. It should have read one decade and not at all in kids under 18 months now where another non-thimerosol vaccine is available.
Besides has anyone here ever looked up the difference between mercury and ethylmercury? I thought not.

[king_george]

Wow that's just total bs being spewed there. Africans don't die as easily from malaria compared to a North American that's never been there, but that's also because they have way higher incidences of certain mutations. These are X-men type cool mutations either- they're stuff like Sickle cell which causes anemia. Immunity to AIDs? There are people out there that are resistant to HIV, but they're definitely far and few between. If you got infected "naturally" with HIV by someone else, you are most likely going to get AIDs- your body will not learn to defeat it. Sure people evolve, but that only happens if you're willing to let everyone else who isn't immune (likely including you and your loved ones) to die off.


In addition, one way vaccines work other than stimulating your immunity is by "herd immunity." If the majority of people in a population are immune, then the ones that aren't immunized are protected cuz the virus has nowhere to spread. Not immunizing your child is basically freeloading off the good will of the public. Secondly, sure while a healthy individual probably won't die from the flu, if they caught it, they could spread it to grandma or whoever else is weaker, and then that's when the flu will be likely fatal.


Don't forget to mention that as the immune percentage decreases then the herd immunity beomes less. One a certain percentage of unimmunized kids are greater than the immunized, then the disease makes a resurgence. Then watch the parents go ballistic because their kids catch these diseases.

BTW sickle cell anemia is a form of protection against malaria. It allows the affected person to live long enough to reproduce although the disease will kill the individual and that's all that's important biologically.

Nobody is immune to all disease and I would speculate that not a person on this planet is immune to AIDS as yet. Wonder if the poster can back that statement up with facts?

[i6s1]

Nobody is immune to all disease and I would speculate that not a person on this planet is immune to AIDS as yet. Wonder if the poster can back that statement up with facts?

http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2005/01/66198

[king_george]

http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2005/01/66198

Interesting and certainly deserves further study but this article stops just short of making the claim that the people discussed are immune to AIDS. They use the qualifier "virtually" and state that there is no guarantee someone with the proper genes is immune. Good story anyways and thx.

It sure would be wonderful if gene therapy could help with this disease. Autism too.

[i6s1]

Interesting and certainly deserves further study but this article stops just short of making the claim that the people discussed are immune to AIDS. They use the qualifier "virtually" and state that there is no guarantee someone with the proper genes is immune. Good story anyways and thx.

It sure would be wonderful if gene therapy could help with this disease. Autism too.

hiredmuscle's post you were responding to used the word "resistance", same as the article. You used the word "immunity" in your response, when you asked for facts. I'm backing up his original claim, not your (likely unintentional) change of subject to AIDs immunity.

[king_george]

hiredmuscle's post you were responding to used the word "resistance", same as the article. You used the word "immunity" in your response, when you asked for facts. I'm backing up his original claim, not your (likely unintentional) change of subject to AIDs immunity.

Whoops. I blame the change in the office from Tim's coffee to no-name. I believe it is from the "battery acid" branch of the Coffea Arabica strain. :mad:
Of course I didn't mean to change it but I was thinking immunity rather than resistance when I was responding.
But still what I said earlier would still be wonderful to happen.