** NOW $299.97** COSTCO - Gold's Gym Pro Series Smith Machine

[VenomGT]

Just picked up a Smith Machine with weights and Costco (Vaughan) for $299
Can't go wrong for this price.

http://tsa.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p4172935dt.jpg

Even the both cashiers were amazed at the drop they tell me it was around $799 on special.

BTW: 1 left in Vaughan (7 boxes so be ready). Hope this not a re-post.

Sure this is the same model:
http://www.sportsauthority.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2909663&cp=710956.710958.698440&pageType=family&parentPage=family

[carlkent]

Comes with 165 Lbs of plates and 45 Lbs bar for total of 210Lbs weight. Used to be $999 then they slashed it down to $799 now its just silly for $499.

[Moocha]

If you want a proper workout get some free weights.

[cannon_fodder]

Just picked up a Smith Machine with weights and Costco (Vaughan) for $499
Can't go wrong for this price.


Even the both cashiers were amazed at the drop they tell me it was around $799 on special.

BTW: 1 left in Vaughan (7 boxes so be ready). Hope this not a re-post.

Sure this is the same model:
http://www.sportsauthority.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2909663&cp=710956.710958.698440&pageType=family&parentPage=family

It seems to me that if you just picked up the machine and all of the weights at Costco, then maybe you are already too strong for this setup. It would take me at least another person and a pickup truck to move this...

[RFDcostly]

Man, I have to say this set up is pretty decent. I may have to pay them a visit. I was walking around that corner just a couple of days ago... they also have the bowflex -- that would be a good buy as well if there's a major discount.

Hmmm....can't seem to resist on this one :)

Cheers,
Lucas.

[VenomGT]

The Bowfles was $699 in Vaughan - still a good buy.

[neo1973]

The Bowfles was $699 in Vaughan - still a good buy.
Sears US is having a crazy deal. Bowflex Xtreme™ Home Gym for only $499.88 US.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00614689000P?keyword=bowflex

[randomdef]

If you want a proper workout get some free weights.

yeah, you don't know what you are talking about.

[DarkReaper]

If you want a proper workout get some free weights.

Although free weights are better, machines are not crap. It's good for those that do not have much space in their house.

[The_Don]

If you want a proper workout get some free weights.
Yessir. Smith machines are a bust!

[kuqdew]

I completely agree. Smith machines suck for all lifts, especially, bench, deadlift and squat.

1) they do not work the stabilizers at all. this is is secret to getting huge.

2) they are TERRIBLE for the body. They only move up and down. It does not move naturally with the body and the risk of injury is very high!

3) smith machines do not let you do many exercises you can do with a barbell.

moral: smith machines are for pvssys and noobs

[sparrow_69]

I completely agree. Smith machines suck for all lifts, especially, bench, deadlift and squat.

1) they do not work the stabilizers at all. this is is secret to getting huge.

2) they are TERRIBLE for the body. They only move up and down. It does not move naturally with the body and the risk of injury is very high!

3) smith machines do not let you do many exercises you can do with a barbell.

moral: smith machines are for pvssys and noobs

This man speaks the truth. Machines need to be used in conjunction with free weights to properly work all the muscles. I'm personally not a huge fan of machines. I don't like the range of movement offered by these sorts of gyms.

I've seen this gym at costco. The quality of Gold's products are not that great. Those welds are very scary. Not worth the cost IMO. After reading all this, if anyone is still interested, there are 2 left at the pt-claire costco.

[jesterwilly2004]

Give the op a break. Just because you don't agree with machines there are people who use them. I would like to see you guys bench 300lbs or squat 600lbs without a spotter. Machines are good when you are by yourself. Yes they are limited for motion but they still give you exercise.

Why not comment on the quality of the product instead of battling opinions on how to workout.

[LexonC]

I actually saw this at costco and was thinking about purchasing it. I know that freeweights are better, but with this machine, it looks like there's a spot to put a bar so that you can do weighted squats and bench presses... and the bench can be slided out... it's not attached to the rest of the unit.

So with that said, is this purchase ne good?

and I'm still curious about the quality...

[malstew]

This machine is a great buy for $499.

If this machine turns out to be too puny for hugeness, you can always sell it for $500.

[tallguy84]

god i need to move out of my apartment so I can set up my power rack again.

That's an amazing deal for a smith, I wish I had space.

[VenomGT]

To each their own.

I don't think everyone on this site wants to lift weights just to get bulky, there is something called "being fit". I cannot remember a time at the gym where only non-bulky people use the smith machine for squats or non-free weights for cable tricept extensions.

Is it getting harder to communicate a deal to fellow RFD'ers or do we now have to worry what other will think? Do I really care?

What may be a deal for one of course is not a deal to all but the point of this site not to prove your point on what's what - it is to take advantage of eachother experiences and situation to get a deal. If you find it cheaper somewhere else "tell us", if you think there is something else that might be better "let us know" but don't try to have a argument with fellow RFD'ers or change their opinion.

I know I am not on this site for that reason.

Love this site! - saved me lots of money and I feel obligated to share my experiences :D

[SizzleChest]

2) they are TERRIBLE for the body. They only move up and down. It does not move naturally with the body and the risk of injury is very high!


please explain how the risk for injury is very high on a smith machine? i agree that doing a free squat, deadlift or bench press USING PROPER FORM is much better than on the smith machine, but a smith machine is definitely safer and a much better option for someone new(er) to weight training.

[skyway]

I completely agree. Smith machines suck for all lifts, especially, bench, deadlift and squat.

1) they do not work the stabilizers at all. this is is secret to getting huge.

2) they are TERRIBLE for the body. They only move up and down. It does not move naturally with the body and the risk of injury is very high!

3) smith machines do not let you do many exercises you can do with a barbell.

moral: smith machines are for pvssys and noobs

Wow, care to back all that nonsense up with a picture of yourself so we can all see what a "hardcore" builder physique you have?

There are some pretty big dudes that use machines as mainstays in their training regimen and I would thoroughly enjoy witnessing the ensuing conversation when you accuse them of being pu.ssies and noobs.

Obviously the smith is limited for some movements, but to apply such ridiculous blanket statements is laughable at best and uneducated at worst.


Anyway, post your picture and let your physique do the talking otherwise I hope that the rest of the readers take your silly post with a large grain of salt.

[sheepdogexpress]

Smith machines are good when you are new to working out and don't have a spotter. However you should still follow good form when benching with a smith. So don't just toss on the weight and do it, make sure your arms are not curved(they make perpendicular angles). Also I recommend wearing gloves that support your wrists if you are a newbie. Just ask someone you know to show you the rest. The risk of injury on any exercise can be bad even with a smith if your technique is bad.

There are two big problems with smiths I noticed.

1) It indeed does not work stabilizers. To counter this get a dumbbell set with substantial weight to perform dumbell bench press. You will need substantial weight because since your are using your chest in addition to your stabilizers, you will be able to do quite a bit of weight compared to your arms. You will see some pretty small guys doing 100 pound dumbbells doing this exercise(so get atleast 50 pounds per arm), but will only be 35 pound arm curls.

In addition, you might need more weight if you want to build some muscle. I can bench 3 pies and a bit on a smith(330) but only 255 on free weights. So what this means is with the included weight on this machine, you will being doing just about a single and a bit(135-145), if you were to compare it to free weights. This is not only because of stabilizer but also because of point 2.

2) For the bench, you cannot bring the bar all the way down to the point it is touching or near touching your chest which you need for good form and good results. This is with the smith machine at the real Golds Gym, so I can assume it is the same on this one.

So in summary if you want to get a good work out from the following set, you will need in addition to this set the following.

1)at least 1 more pie for each side, (if your going to spend 500 dollars on a smith machine and make space for it, you will likely want to squat and bench more than 1 pie)

2)Get some adjustable dumbbells with a total of 100 pounds of weight. You will need this to work your stabilizer and you will be amazed at how quickly you hit 100 pounds.

[kuqdew]

Wow, care to back all that nonsense up with a picture of yourself so we can all see what a "hardcore" builder physique you have?

There are some pretty big dudes that use machines as mainstays in their training regimen and I would thoroughly enjoy witnessing the ensuing conversation when you accuse them of being pu.ssies and noobs.

Obviously the smith is limited for some movements, but to apply such ridiculous blanket statements is laughable at best and uneducated at worst.


Anyway, post your picture and let your physique do the talking otherwise I hope that the rest of the readers take your silly post with a large grain of salt.

***


seriously- if you dont believe me, you can ask some other bb'ers and you'll get the same answer

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=10

[dav1209]

read this and stop the meaningless fight

http://exercise.about.com/cs/weightlifting/a/freeweights.htm

[kuqdew]

read this and stop the meaningless fight

http://exercise.about.com/cs/weightlifting/a/freeweights.htm

Look at the points they make:
-They're supportive
-They're easy to use
-They save time
-They're less intimidating

hmm..as I said before...

machines are the worst waste of time.

No spotter? Get one or don't max out.
Difficult to use? Absolutely not if you get your form correct.
Intimidating? No, anyone can use one safely.

Name me one athlete who uses mostly machines for workouts.

[randomdef]

Look at the points they make:
-They're supportive
-They're easy to use
-They save time
-They're less intimidating

hmm..as I said before...

lay off the steroids and stop being such a ****.

[kuqdew]

ATTENTION-READ THIS


The Smith machine is very popular with men, but it is possibly one of the worst machines at the gym. When you perform squats, it does not take your body shape into account and forces you to take on a path of motion that may not be natural for you. People who use this machine a great deal are at high risk for lower back injuries, as well as knee and hip problems. By performing squats with free weights, you can respect your body's natural range of motion (as long as you have proper form) and decrease your chance of developing these problems.

http://ca.askmen.com/sports/bodybuilding_100/141b_fitness_tip.html

[skyway]

ATTENTION-READ THIS



http://ca.askmen.com/sports/bodybuilding_100/141b_fitness_tip.html

That's your source??? Askmen.com and a Teen BBing forum. I rest my case, thanks for coming out.

I'm by no means saying the smith is the be all end all, but you are discounting a great piece of equipment based upon conjecture and speculation of something that you likely have very little if any real world knowledge or experience.

Like I said, post your picture or at least admit you're scrawny and have no real world experience with the (mis)information your spewing. A picture would be preferred because I suspect the conversation will be over rather quickly.

Just humor us and post a picture of yourself holding a sign with your username and RFD on it.

[kuqdew]

That's your source??? Askmen.com and a Teen BBing forum. I rest my case, thanks for coming out.

I'm by no means saying the smith is the be all end all, but you are discounting a great piece of equipment based upon conjecture and speculation of something that you likely have very little if any real world knowledge or experience.

Like I said, post your picture or at least admit you're scrawny and have no real world experience with the (mis)information your spewing. A picture would be preferred because I suspect the conversation will be over rather quickly.

Just humor us and post a picture of yourself holding a sign with your username and RFD on it.

First, You think Askmen is NOT a credible source?

Second, Give me a reason why I should post my picture. Just to prove my point?

[skyway]

First, You think Askmen is NOT a credible source?

Second, Give me a reason why I should post my picture. Just to prove my point?

I couldn't give any more of a $hit about what you think.

1. I don't need to quote online sources (teen body building forums...again LOL) I rely on real world experience as my credible source.

2. A reason? Sure. It will separate the signal from the noise and give people a perspective on whether you might actually have a clue about what your talking about (doubtful). Ever heard the old saying "The proof is in the pudding" or "Put up or Shut Up"???

3. Excellent. Thanks for clarifying. Likewise. I do, however, care that you are spreading false information to those who might benefit from this simple piece of equipment that for the price has merit. Again, is it the best - no. But it's useful if implemented properly with an understanding of limitations and workarounds.

Let me ask you this, as an example, if I'm trying to increase the size and strength of my triceps by doing reverse bench press (check your teen website if you aren't familiar ;) ), do you really think I give a rats ass about stabilizer muscles that have ZERO relevance to that muscle group? *This is a rhetorical question - no response required, thanks.

[kuqdew]

1. I don't need to quote online sources (teen body building forums...again LOL) I rely on real world experience as my credible source.

2. A reason? Sure. It will separate the signal from the noise and give people a perspective on whether you might actually have a clue about what your talking about (doubtful). Ever heard the old saying "The proof is in the pudding" or "Put up or Shut Up"???

3. Excellent. Thanks for clarifying. Likewise. I do, however, care that you are spreading false information to those who might benefit from this simple piece of equipment that for the price has merit. Again, is it the best - no. But it's useful if implemented properly with an understanding of limitations and workarounds.

Let me ask you this, as an example, if I'm trying to increase the size and strength of my triceps by doing reverse bench press (check your teen website if you aren't familiar ;) ), do you really think I give a rats ass about stabilizer muscles that have ZERO relevance to that muscle group? *This is a rhetorical question - no response required, thanks.

You're correct about that however a smith machine is a perfect complement to a workout routine. There's no denying that it cannot be relied on as a staple.

And if you care so much about this, then how come you still haven't posted your pic that shows your "real life" experience.

Don't be a hypocrite

[ClubberLang]

My only significant injury in the gym has come from squatting with a smith machine. I was going pretty heavy and tried to shift my feet a bit and slightly rotated my hips (something I do fairly often when doing squats with a standard barbell). Because the bar on a smith machine only moves in one direction it hurt like hell in my lower back. I was limping for a few days and took about a week off of the gym.

I wouldn't say smith machines are total crap but I definately prefer my current bench with a squat rack attatchment.

[sparrow_69]

Wow, this thread has really gotten off-topic here. I can provide some info about this machine for fellow rfd'ers. I went to the pt-claire costco to take a look at it with my dad. He uses free-weights at home but wanted to get something to complement his workout.

The setup seems decent enough. Better quality than some of the really low-end home gyms I've seen before. That being said, the quality isn't great. I don't think Gold's home equipment is really that good quality. The support bars to store the weights are screwed in and looked very flimsy. One was actually broken off the demo. I also noticed that the pullies were plastic and looked a bit cheap. Finally, some of the welds were very scary. They seemed to be grinded down too much and actually had sharp edges. For 500$, it seems like a good deal. My dad is a quality-oriented person, so he wasn't too interested and we left without buying one. Just an FYI, you will need a good amount of room to be able to use this machine (probably 6' x 7' x 83")

I'd like to add a few words to the machine vs free weights discussion. I am in no means an expert, but take it from someone whose worked out at a gym for about 6yrs and has taken 5-6 cegep level weight training-human biology and physiology classes. My friends-family frequently ask for nutrition-weight training advice, so they must trust my opinion. I'm definitely not huge, but I'm definitely in shape. Obviously, if a person is comparing working out with a machine vs not doing anything, the machine will win everytime. However, machines do tend to only work the large muscles, neglecting the small stabilizers. Also, the range of motion is limited. I'd suggest doing some free weights to complement the machine workout. However, that's just my opinion. :)

[LexonC]

Okay... Isn't that a squat rack on the front of the machine for someone to work with free weights? Look at the picture please...

Everyone's saying that smith machines follow the track but it looks like you have an option with this specific machine...

Or is that used for something else?

[ephemera]

i would be so over this but its too tall to fit in my basement.

Anyone have the dimensions of this? I can't find it anywhere on the internets

[sparrow_69]

Okay... Isn't that a squat rack on the front of the machine for someone to work with free weights? Look at the picture please...

Everyone's saying that smith machines follow the track but it looks like you have an option with this specific machine...

Or is that used for something else?

Nope.The bar is attached via the rails and guides it when moving vertically.

[bandit373]

Personally I think smiths are terrible for squats....but body mechanics vary with people, so some people can use them without problem, and some people bugger their knees in a very sort order.

Angled and 3d smiths try to correct the problem but the smith does give a false sense of security. You can definitely get hurt on a smith (or flattened at least, if you forget to set the safety's)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m6vcyQqx_Q

This costco set doesn't seem too bad a deal though. You can do free-weight benching and squatting outside the cage. I actually don't mind incline smith presses occasionally for keeping tension on the pec. You can use the smith portion for other things like chins, pull-ups, inverted pull-ups. The bench seem quality. Includes weight and a bar (unless it's the attached bar) but I'm guessing since they state 45 lbs it isn't counter-balanced (so that's good).

All that said, sometimes you can't cheap out on something that's going to take a hammering over time. Personally I'd say if you're willing to pony up for the costco unit, you're better off to walk in to your local powertec dealer and ask for this instead:

http://powerteccanada.ca/images/wbbrsnew.jpg Powertec often has sales, you just have to keep your eye open. Quality equipment is a worthwhile investment can be found in the used market as well. There's always someone who got talked into "getting in shape" only to off-load the "coat-rack" 6 months later.

[Abstract]

1. I don't need to quote online sources (teen body building forums...again LOL) I rely on real world experience as my credible source.

2. A reason? Sure. It will separate the signal from the noise and give people a perspective on whether you might actually have a clue about what your talking about (doubtful). Ever heard the old saying "The proof is in the pudding" or "Put up or Shut Up"???

3. Excellent. Thanks for clarifying. Likewise. I do, however, care that you are spreading false information to those who might benefit from this simple piece of equipment that for the price has merit. Again, is it the best - no. But it's useful if implemented properly with an understanding of limitations and workarounds.

Let me ask you this, as an example, if I'm trying to increase the size and strength of my triceps by doing reverse bench press (check your teen website if you aren't familiar ;) ), do you really think I give a rats ass about stabilizer muscles that have ZERO relevance to that muscle group? *This is a rhetorical question - no response required, thanks.

Actually whoever quoted that source from askmen.com is a general knowledge to most fitness people like myself. It doesn't matter if its on a barney or sesame street website. It's a true fact for most fitness experts. Some may differ as some may only use smith machinese for light workouts. If you don't believe this fact, then just ignore it and do what you feel is best for you.

But I will have to agree with some people here. I would stay away from smith machines. I was like most of you guys. I was actually considering getting the exact smith machine from costco. But I did a little bit of more research and talked to some experience fitness trainers and I decided to get a POWERTEC power rack with a lat attachment. Here's the link to the power rack I have:

http://www.treadmillfactory.ca/?goto=viewprod&id_prod=65

If you don't know what a power rack is...just do your research and find out if it's right for you. For me, it's perfect. It's $400 dollars more then the Costco smith machine without the olympic barbell and weights. Keep in mind, Olympic barbells/dumbells and weights can be bought used for cheap anyway. And yes, you have to buy a bench too. It's pricier then buying the costco smith machine; but i consider it a long-term investment that will maximize my potential to get stronger/bigger (using free weights is the best) and will allow me to do variety of free weight exercises that a smith machine can not do. And of course, this power rack I bought is built like a tank and will last me forever. It's totally worth the investment in a power rack imo. I would recommend this as a great alternative to the smith machine.

Btw, the power rack i bought (link above) is very versatile as it has a pull-up bar, dip bar, and it has safety bars too if you're doing squats, etc...It also has a lat bar and a low row bar ...the lat attachment was extra cost....if you just want the powertec power rack, it's $399 without lat attachment ($799 w/ lat attachment)....there are alot of standalone power racks that you can find a lil cheaper but I find the powertec to be one of the best quality built one in the consumer market.

[skyway]

lol, you guys crack me up. My argument is with the jackass claiming that smith machine machines are worthless. I can assure you that they are a staple in many very muscular individuals routines. I use the smith machine for flat, incline, military, and reverse bench. Why? Quite simply because it allows precise control of the movement and direct focus on the targeted muscle - which in turn leads to better stimulation and growth. Simple.


Okay... Isn't that a squat rack on the front of the machine for someone to work with free weights? Look at the picture please...

Everyone's saying that smith machines follow the track but it looks like you have an option with this specific machine...

Or is that used for something else?

You are correct, you are able to use an Olympic bar on the front adjustable bar stays...notice as well that it has adjustable stops on the front side as well. Great option for free squats, presses, etc.

For an individual on a budget, that uses lighter weight, and is looking for a quick home fix this appears to be a decent setup. Obviously, nothing beats a fully equipped gym.

[R8247]

Wow. Too much testosterone in this thread. Someone needs ease up on the injections :D

[c0deine]

If you are serious about getting stronger you should instead get a power rack (or squat rack), an olympic barbell (7"), a flat bench and some olympic weights.

Your next step is to learn on squats, deadlifts and bench pressing. Those are the big three you want to master.

[hazman]

Obviously, if a person is comparing working out with a machine vs not doing anything, the machine will win everytime.

This is a statement that I agree with.

Smith Machines are BIG, you need to have the space and clearance to set it up and personally, I like dumbbells, you can get them pretty cheap if you look around and then purchase a bench you take up less space and have more options.

A decent home bench like this, would do the trick for most people.

http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/04/36/19/21/0004361921486_215X215.jpg

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5280822
(Yes, I know it is from Walmart in the US)

I don't see it as a replacement for a trainer and a good gym membership, but for casual home use at a decent price, not a bad option.

C

[lensls1]

I have a BodySolid Series 7 for my home gym.
http://www.bodysolid.com/Item.aspx?ItemID=522

I have come to the realization that the smith machine is the DEVIL. Stay away from this contraption. Here is my story…

I have been training on and off for over 12 years. I’m 33 and currently weight ~210, 11% BF, 6’2” which many would consider a pretty decent natural physique. When I first bought the Series 7, I was extremely excited as I could finally workout at home using heavy weights without the aid of a spotter. I would use the smith machine for squats, bench press, incline press, shoulder press, etc. Great, right? WRONG!

The unfortunate lessen that I had to learn first hand with the smith machine is that you are able to rapidly build up strength on those lifts, extremely quickly and unnaturally. What I mean is that since there is a restricted range of motion, you are only using the major muscle groups and not the stabilizer muscles. This causes tremendous strain on your joints and in my case, my tendons. When I first got the machine, I went from smith machine benching 225 8X to benching 3 plates a side 8x for sets in a matter of weeks. Most of these strength gains were from muscle memory as I just got back into training from a 1 year layoff. In any event, consequently, I DEVELOPED SEVERE TENDONITIS in both my elbows. Additionally, I had an unexplained SHOULDER PAIN, all because I was pressing nearly 4 plates a side on the smith machine. I had to stop lifting for 3 months before I was able to recover. Every evening I would have to ice my elbows and shoulders on doctor’s recommendation and take anti-inflamatory medication. This was not fun.

I went back to free weights for my upper-body lifts, dumbbell press, bench press, etc. and the problem never surfaced again. In fact, to this day my elbows and shoulder feel great!

The story does not end there...I continued to use the smith machine exclusively for squats. I know, I know, why, oh why? Everything was fine until I started to really add some serious weight. I went up as high as 4 plates and quarters a side and I felt a sharp pain in my right-groin region. I stopped squatting and went to the leg press thinking that the pain would go away. Well, it didn’t, in fact it got worse. The pain got so bad that I could not run for several months later. It also made it painful to have sex! I went to numerous ultrasounds, thinking that it was an inguinal hernia. Luckily, it wasn’t. It was TENDONITIS again, this time on my ABDUCTOR TENDON. It took 6 months to recover, and I had to take painful coritsol shots. I’m still not 100%.

Morale of the story, stay the #$% away from the smith machine, use free weights instead. Take the advice of the numerous posters on here and buy yourself a Power Rack. In the long run, you will be glad you did.

[JohnB]

Ive seen this machine in person.

It looks pretty cheap and has some plastic parts, etc.

If youre serious about working out get a Power Rack, a bench, flat or FID and a 300lb Olympic weight set to start.

Ive stopped buying a lot of stuff on RFD just because its onsale...now I just get premium stuff I like, LOL. I dont think anyone shopping for quality machine or gym equipment would consider this thing, so why buy it for $499 ?

[Mazy84]

I love how every hot deal in the "fitness" section turns out to be a "I can bench more than you can" discussion. I thought the hot deals section was to determin if a deal is Hot or Not. Same thing happened with the adjustable weight dumbells.

All fitness equipment has it's merits. Whether it's to save space, time, or whatever... not everyone wants to get huge/ripped/jacked or whatever... lol

Some people need to relax and goto the personal fitness or sports section or whatever.

[Moocha]

1. Please show me an exact quote where I made that claim. you won't be able to because I didn't.

2. I didn't make that claim either. But hey fill your boots.


He kinda stretched your words, but you did say:

"Quite simply because it allows precise control of the movement and direct focus on the targeted muscle - which in turn leads to better stimulation and growth. Simple."

Which is wrong. You're working less muscles when using a smith machine, which is obviously not the best thing to do. If you wanna strengthen a part of your body, then you've gotta work on all the muscles in that region, including stabalizers.

[skyway]

He kinda stretched your words, but you did say:

"Quite simply because it allows precise control of the movement and direct focus on the targeted muscle - which in turn leads to better stimulation and growth. Simple."

Which is wrong. You're working less muscles when using a smith machine, which is obviously not the best thing to do. If you wanna strengthen a part of your body, then you've gotta work on all the muscles in that region, including stabalizers.

Actually, what I wrote is absolutely correct. You need to reread and understand the context - focussed training will allow deep fiber stimulation of the particular muscle. If you want to work the overall region and accompanied musculature, then of course you'd want to perform compound movements such as deadlifts, deep squats, benchpress, and power cleans. I wasn't arguing that point whatsoever. I was taking issue with honeydew's claim that the smith is worthless - which is simply FUD.

If you don't know what you're doing, don't understand biomechanics, are unaware of valuable training methodologies, (obviously) have zero real world experience - and can't back up your BS with some kind of evidence then I would suggest you abstain from making wild claims - it only makes you look foolish.

[skyway]

I have a BodySolid Series 7 for my home gym.
http://www.bodysolid.com/Item.aspx?ItemID=522

I have come to the realization that the smith machine is the DEVIL. Stay away from this contraption. Here is my story…

I have been training on and off for over 12 years. I’m 33 and currently weight ~210, 11% BF, 6’2” which many would consider a pretty decent natural physique. When I first bought the Series 7, I was extremely excited as I could finally workout at home using heavy weights without the aid of a spotter. I would use the smith machine for squats, bench press, incline press, shoulder press, etc. Great, right? WRONG!

The unfortunate lessen that I had to learn first hand with the smith machine is that you are able to rapidly build up strength on those lifts, extremely quickly and unnaturally. What I mean is that since there is a restricted range of motion, you are only using the major muscle groups and not the stabilizer muscles. This causes tremendous strain on your joints and in my case, my tendons. When I first got the machine, I went from smith machine benching 225 8X to benching 3 plates a side 8x for sets in a matter of weeks. Most of these strength gains were from muscle memory as I just got back into training from a 1 year layoff. In any event, consequently, I DEVELOPED SEVERE TENDONITIS in both my elbows. Additionally, I had an unexplained SHOULDER PAIN, all because I was pressing nearly 4 plates a side on the smith machine. I had to stop lifting for 3 months before I was able to recover. Every evening I would have to ice my elbows and shoulders on doctor’s recommendation and take anti-inflamatory medication. This was not fun.

I went back to free weights for my upper-body lifts, dumbbell press, bench press, etc. and the problem never surfaced again. In fact, to this day my elbows and shoulder feel great!

The story does not end there...I continued to use the smith machine exclusively for squats. I know, I know, why, oh why? Everything was fine until I started to really add some serious weight. I went up as high as 4 plates and quarters a side and I felt a sharp pain in my right-groin region. I stopped squatting and went to the leg press thinking that the pain would go away. Well, it didn’t, in fact it got worse. The pain got so bad that I could not run for several months later. It also made it painful to have sex! I went to numerous ultrasounds, thinking that it was an inguinal hernia. Luckily, it wasn’t. It was TENDONITIS again, this time on my ABDUCTOR TENDON. It took 6 months to recover, and I had to take painful coritsol shots. I’m still not 100%.

Morale of the story, stay the #$% away from the smith machine, use free weights instead. Take the advice of the numerous posters on here and buy yourself a Power Rack. In the long run, you will be glad you did.


Not to minimize your pain, but the only moral of the story that I'm getting is you need to find some balance in your training. Don't blame the equipment. Blame the guy using it.

You can just as easily injure yourself using free weights. It comes down to common sense and care in your training.

[kuqdew]

I wasn't arguing that point whatsoever. I was taking issue with honeydew's claim that the smith is worthless - which is simply FUD.


i never said smith machines are worthless

just inferior to barbells.

[skyway]

i never said smith machines are worthless

just inferior to barbells.


So your claim is the smith is inferior. Not true, but ok, we'll go with that one.

Would it be safe to assume that your claim could extend to say that people using the smith machine would subsequently have inferior physiques?

[jcoltage]

i never said smith machines are worthless

just inferior to barbells.

OMG for the first time in my life I will have to agree with KD here - a smith machine makes you follow a single motion path - free weights are the way to go. They are good but not the best.

[puremega]

I purchased this last week in Halifax for the $ 499. Set up wasn't fun and some parts were missing but icon (the Canadian supplier) was excellent to deal with and sent me out replacements free of charge. For the price this is a great buy as long as you have the space (requires appx. 8 x 10 feet). As an aside, there is another post with the Nautilus selct tech dumbells ($ 199.97 at Costco) which I also bought. The incline bench that comes with this is an excellent complement. I highly recommend both.

[sheepdogexpress]

So your claim is the smith is inferior. Not true, but ok, we'll go with that one.

Would it be safe to assume that your claim could extend to say that people using the smith machine would subsequently have inferior physiques?

I would say that the best free weight user would have a better body than the best smith machine user. Its impossible to say you won't find someone who has a better body when using technique A compared to technique B. Someone might have bad genetics or is just lazy when comparing the two.

Overall the body someone gets is a result of genetics, hardwork, diet and technique. If someone with the same genetics as someone else used freeweights compared to a smith machine and put in the same amount of work, the guy using freeweights will always win.

I think that what alot of people taking shot at the smith machine are talking about. Its not the most effective machine. It is effective but that simply because your are doing something instead of nothing. Of course you can find people with good bodies using a smith but you can find people with good abs using an abroller. But freeweight with proper technique is absolutely the more effective of the two compared to a smith machine. Your comparison is also flawed because I know you can find people with better body using a freaking bowflex than some people using a smith machine or free weights.

A free weight person will also have way more practical strength because of the stabilzer issue.

One thing you would have to give is a powerlifter can never use a smith. It no range of motion makes it impractical and useless. This is probaly a scenario where you can say the smith is absolutely useless.

I think if people are going to work out they should also have a spotter. Which this machine kind of replaces but shouldn't.

Spotter can give you that last crazy rep as well as provide motivational support. I find a good work out routine is far easier to maintain if you have a buddy there(you won't quite working out). Also a good spotter is the best safety mechanism.

I think this is important because I think this machine is aimed at beginners. Alot of beginners have all the hype to work out and later on stop. For all beginners, get a spotter. It will help you get more effective results and you are more likely to succeed because you can get a better work out and you are less likely to quit.

[skyway]

I would say that the best free weight user would have a better body than the best smith machine user. Its impossible to say you won't find someone who has a better body when using technique A compared to technique B. Someone might have bad genetics or is just lazy when comparing the two.

Overall the body someone gets is a result of genetics, hardwork, diet and technique. If someone with the same genetics as someone else used freeweights compared to a smith machine and put in the same amount of work, the guy using freeweights will always win.

I think that what alot of people taking shot at the smith machine are talking about. Its not the most effective machine. It is effective but that simply because your are doing something instead of nothing. Of course you can find people with good bodies using a smith but you can find people with good abs using an abroller. But freeweight with proper technique is absolutely the more effective of the two compared to a smith machine. Your comparison is also flawed because I know you can find people with better body using a freaking bowflex than some people using a smith machine or free weights.

A free weight person will also have way more practical strength because of the stabilzer issue.

One thing you would have to give is a powerlifter can never use a smith. It no range of motion makes it impractical and useless. This is probaly a scenario where you can say the smith is absolutely useless.

I think if people are going to work out they should also have a spotter. Which this machine kind of replaces but shouldn't.

Spotter can give you that last crazy rep as well as provide motivational support. I find a good work out routine is far easier to maintain if you have a buddy there(you won't quite working out). Also a good spotter is the best safety mechanism.

I think this is important because I think this machine is aimed at beginners. Alot of beginners have all the hype to work out and later on stop. For all beginners, get a spotter. It will help you get more effective results and you are more likely to succeed because you can get a better work out and you are less likely to quit.

Anyway, some of you guys need to a. learn to brush up on reading comprehension and b. stop rehashing **** you've read with no practical knowledge - that's weak.

I can tell you this, after 15 years of training and seeing the hilarious **** I've seen at the gym, that statistically speaking most of the people adding their two cents here have no business giving advice.

Yes, free weights have their place. So does Hammer strength. So does the Smith machine. So do cables. I use all of them to meet specific goals. To discount any of them is narrow minded and brain washed. Depending on your current periodization goals I would say that tempo, focus, and training to failure offer the most stimulation. It's not magic.

[sheepdogexpress]

"Quite simply because it allows precise control of the movement and direct focus on the targeted muscle - which in turn leads to better stimulation and growth. Simple."

This is the only point you have made that have talked about the benefits of a smith machine. Good technique can do the above too and you know it. You definitely know who Ronnie Coleman is, that guy has not touched a smith and he has the record(tied) for olympia titles.

My gym never has an incline bench press near the smith machine. I seen a flat bench or nothing for people doing squats but I have never seen an incline bench there. I have never seen people doing a military bench press either.

I am not saying machines are useless, but to me whenever there is a case where I can replace a machine with free weights I will because I want to build more practical strength. Some things will always need a machine like butterfly or lat-pull down(unless you want to do chin ups).

I think those, that basically all the fundamental smith machine exercises can be done with free weights. That why I have a beef with it. It doesn't offer any new positions or exercises that can't be done with free weights.

I think working to failure is good, but I think doing it with a spotter is far more effective. You can work to failure on a smith but I don't think its as good because a good spotter can allow you to finish the rep while allowing you to be 100 percent exausted at the end of the set. All the body builders have spotters with them. All the huge guys I have seen at the gym, all have spotters. Heck most youtube people working out have spotters.

Man, your so defensive of these machines. I can understand you cutting people down if they are rude to you. But alot of the people posting are putting far more evidence in their own post than you. Your just labeling people that disagree with you with statements like you have crap technique, you don't know how to use a smith, you don't know how to work out. You are being rude

Well this can't be debated, it takes far more technique to use a free weight to its highest level than a smith. So why would these people that have proper form for the freeweight exercises but could not replicate similar techniques in a controlled smith machine environment?

All you have said is that you know some big guys that use a smith machine and the statement above. Sure you might have experience, but to say that alot of people with experience with these machines are just keyboard warriors spilling bs is just childish. Some of us might know more about working out than you give us credit for.

Smith machines are giving you the results you want. Well thats good for you, but for most of us, we don't see the smith machine as a necessary staple which you make it out to be. For us then, it is a waste of money because we can use free weights which with good technique is more effective in our opinions(the vast majority of people posting).

You have to remember to context of this website too. This is a good deal website. People should not have to spend money when they don't have to. People can do all the smith machine fundamental exercises with a regular adjustable bench press press station aside from squats. Its not a bad deal for a smith machine, but from what people are saying about the quality of this machine; saving money on a machine that if it fails, can kill you is not a good idea.

[hhhm3]

lol, you guys crack me up. My argument is with the jackass claiming that smith machine machines are worthless. I can assure you that they are a staple in many very muscular individuals routines. I use the smith machine for flat, incline, military, and reverse bench. Why? Quite simply because it allows precise control of the movement and direct focus on the targeted muscle - which in turn leads to better stimulation and growth. Simple.


I agree, you will be able to achieve bigger muscles by isolating your workout to one muscle at a time. By isolating your workout you can lift/press heavier without wasting some of the energy (physical & mental energy) on balancing the weights.

Someone said, smith machines are limited movement. Not true!, just adjust your bench to what ever position you want or exercise.
I actually wonder if these ppl really gave the smith machine a chance or they think they are too hard core for anything other than Olympic free weights.
There are a lot of big guys/gals who uses smith machine to isolate their workouts.
Trust me, unless you have all day to workout, there maybe only a few workouts you can do in a day before you have to go to work/class/party.

Also, smith machines are free weights too, it is just isolated. Other than that the feel/pressure is the same.

I have a Keys Power rack/cage with olympic sets and some days I wish I had a smithmachine to isolate a workout.
And you can't get safer than a smith machine if you workout alone, well a power rack/cage is very safe too, a few time I pushed it pass my limit and I couldn't press the 225 up to the hook but lucky I could let it drop to the side spotter rail (even with my chest/neck) and slide out.
So workout safe!!!

I am not a fan of universal pulley system or bowflex, just not fun for me in the long run, but the key is as long as you are having fun working out. Everyone is different.

Oh' the costco deal for $499, is a great deal, I would get it in a heart beat if I didn't have a cage already.

[bigredlemon]

you can still use it to do regular bench press and squats.

smith machine will be handy for shoulder presses. pull system is nice.

A decent powerrack + pully system will run you 1k. this costs half that and lets you do the same thing (albeit not as easily.)

[Genblue]

I was at the Burlington Costco and they had the demo unit on sale for $399. (You should call to make sure it's still there if you are interested).

[Speedv1]

Ok.. I'm taking no sides here.. I'm not a Marine.. I'm not weak.. I use a Bowflex Extreme 2.. and well the results are fantastic for my needs. I have solid toning all over.. so no complaints here.

I think it's a matter of deciding what you need, for me, I don't want to be 400lbs pure muscle.. no thanks. And due to that, I find the bowflex is a miracle. It tones your body, while strengthening.. without making you be a possible weight problem while riding an elevator.

So maybe all those who are unsure as to what they need, go to a gym.. try a bit of each.. i did that, and i found that the Bowflex was far superior for what i needed. The free weights seemed less usable for me. I felt less comfortable with the weight being so loose. With the home gyms the fixed weight is never going to fall on me and break my body to a prune..

So I'm not comenting on the quality of this product, I'd recommend someone goes and asks an exercise specialist (like a gym manager...personal trainer...etc) that they know. Then you'll get a clean, no bs answer about whether this product is suitable for YOUR needs.

You go to your doctor to get the best medication for you.. so why not go to your exercise specialist and find the best machine (or free units) for you.

[lensls1]

Not to minimize your pain, but the only moral of the story that I'm getting is you need to find some balance in your training. Don't blame the equipment. Blame the guy using it.

You can just as easily injure yourself using free weights. It comes down to common sense and care in your training.


I don't mean to sound harsh, but do you have any idea about what you are talking about? Have you ever lifted a weight in your life or stepped foot in a gym? Balance in my training???? WTF are you talking about?

I have never injured myself using free weights. In fact, just the opposite, they have helped me rehabilitate my injures. However, I have injured myself using the smith machine. Most injures in a gym are caused by machines NOT free weights.

Clearly you lack common sense for not heeding the warning of someone who has been around the block a few times and has first hand experience.

It is common knowledge in the weight lifting community that free weights are more effective and least prone to injury comparable to all machines including the smith. I was seeing good results from the smith, but unfortunately I got injured. Oh well, lessen learned. Maybe one day if or when you start working out and lifting serious weight on the smith machine, you will learn the same lesson.

The point I’m trying to make is if your goal is to gain muscle mass and strength in the shortest amount of time possible, while minimizing your chance of injury, stay away from the smith machine and go out and buy yourself a cage and use free weights. END OF STORY.

[R8247]

This is too funny. You guys are more ruthless than the posters in the mac vs. PC threads.

Take off your shirt? lol

I dare you to post a picture of yourself naked? :lol:

Kids, the moral of the story is when you inject yourself with 500 mg of synthetic testosterone on a daily basis, your ego often grows at a rate 5 times greater than your muscle.

Seriously cool it. We're talking about a convenient all in one gym at Costco, not advanced training techniques or bodymechanics. Hot deals thread, not bodybuilding.com

[skyway]

I don't mean to sound harsh, but do you have any idea about what you are talking about? Have you ever lifted a weight in your life or stepped foot in a gym? Balance in my training???? WTF are you talking about?

I have never injured myself using free weights. In fact, just the opposite, they have helped me rehabilitate my injures. However, I have injured myself using the smith machine. Most injures in a gym are caused by machines NOT free weights.

Clearly you lack common sense for not heeding the warning of someone who has been around the block a few times and has first hand experience.

It is common knowledge in the weight lifting community that free weights are more effective and least prone to injury comparable to all machines including the smith. I was seeing good results from the smith, but unfortunately I got injured. Oh well lessen, learned. Maybe one day if or when you start working out and lifting serious weight on the smith machine you will learn the same lesson.

The point I’m trying to make is if your goal is to gain muscle mass and strength in the shortest amount of time, while minimizing your chance of injury, stay away from the smith machine and go out and buy yourself a gage and use free weights. END OF STORY.

Ok sure I'll bite. Some background, off season stat's:

Time training: 15 years
5'8" 220 10% BF
Deadlift 585 2 rep max (that's six plates/side plus the bar)
Squat 495 1RM
Bench 425 3 rep max

So you be the judge.

Yes balance in your training, meaning if you're too ignorant to realize that using anything exclusively (smith, free, cables) may leave you in the position you're in - well then I guess you need to get beyond you're ignorance.

Been around the block? Please don't make me laugh because trust me this is pure comedy. Thanks.

Common knowledge in the community (maybe the internet community is different - I get stronger and bigger by training, not reading teen bbing forums) is that a person should exploit all avenues to growth and strength. Free weights are certainly one of those as shown by my lifts. There are other complementary pathways as well. If you choose to turn a blind eye, ignore them, or profess knowledge to the contrary, by all means be my guest. I see guys like you at the gym all the time - stuck in your little box, closed minded. It's ok, I don't mind. To each their own - but please don't misinform people.

Just to be clear, YES I use the smith machine, YES I use free weights, YES I also use cables. My workouts are based around periodization, tempo, and training to absolute failure.

One last thing, people get injured not because of the method they employ while lifting but simply because they are careless.

If you have anything else you'd like to direct at me personally please pm me with your email and we can pursue further discourse.

Ok? That's not too hard to understand is it?


This is too funny. You guys are more ruthless than the posters in the mac vs. PC threads.

Take off your shirt? lol

I dare you to post a picture of yourself naked? :lol:

Kids, the moral of the story is when you inject yourself with 500 mg of synthetic testosterone on a daily basis, your ego often grows at a rate 5 times greater than that you your muscle.

Seriously cool it. We're talking about a convenient all in one gym at Costco, not advanced training techniques. Hot deals thread, not bodybuilding.com

Agreed on all counts. A convenient all in one gym, that also has free weight ability. :)

[kuqdew]

Some background, off season stat's:

Time training: 15 years
5'8" 220 10% BF
Deadlift 585 2 rep max (that's six plates/side plus the bar)
Squat 495 1RM
Bench 425 3 rep max


E-stats?

or are you taking dat dere cell-tech? :D

seriously, anyone can come on these forums and make up stats.

but if its really true, then you're an animal.

[Cas77]

To each their own. A few years back I seperated my shoulder doing military presses with free weights. Ironically for my rehab the physiotherapist put me on a routine that was 95% smith-machine for my upper-body to limit my range of motion...now everyone gets on their high horses saying it's dangerous.

Remember just a few years ago when people stopped eating fats so they would not gain fat? Or how you can do isolation exercises to spot reduce fat? I remember the days when the guys at the gym would stuff their face with multi-chain triglycerides to get buff because every magazine said it was the way to go...little did they know how much harm they were really doing.

Nobody has the recipe to a perfect body...if they did they wouldn't be here, they'd be too busy signing books at your local Chapters. If you get this machine just use it, use it safely and smartly and you'll see 100% more results than not using it at all...

[puckhead]

Is it getting harder to communicate a deal to fellow RFD'ers or do we now have to worry what other will think? Do I really care?


It's this elitist attitude that some of these people have. If it's not their way, it's the wrong way, apparently. They need to realize they're here at this site to try to save money like the rest of us and to get off their high horse, because in reality, they're just riding a pony.

[skyway]

It's this elitist attitude that some of these people have. If it's not their way, it's the wrong way, apparently. They need to realize they're here at this site to try to save money like the rest of us and to get off their high horse, because in reality, they're just riding a pony.

Unfortunately during my attempt to convey some of the inherent value of this piece of equipment things got out of hand. People simply need to recognize there is merit to both sides of the equation, and in all training paradigms. At the end of the day we should all be looking for the most effective pathway. That does not mean one is better than the other it simply means take a synergistic approach and find out what works best for you and then exploit it.

I do believe that for a person understanding the compromises with this type of equipment it's still not a bad deal. Some mornings at 5am I wished I had something I could just rip a few heavy sets out of and be done. On the flip side, there are compromises with a full cage as well - size and expense being the most obvious.

[Max_Dealing]

lol :lol: Love this thread. Give it a break you muscle heads (I am one myself). Arguing the semantics is pointless.

If you are going to work at home it's all good. For $500 as long it is solid I think you can't go wrong. Solid being the key thing.. way too many of those things rattle apart.

Oh yeah and I squat 6847lbs :razz:

[yoshi838]

yeah, you don't know what you are talking about.

He may have meant 'free' as in he doesn't have to pay. Mainly beacuse he's cheap, just like his mind, not much knowledge.

[lensls1]

Ok sure I'll bite. Some background, off season stat's:

Time training: 15 years
5'8" 220 10% BF
Deadlift 585 2 rep max (that's six plates/side plus the bar)
Squat 495 1RM
Bench 425 3 rep max

So you be the judge.

Yes balance in your training, meaning if you're too ignorant to realize that using anything exclusively (smith, free, cables) may leave you in the position you're in - well then I guess you need to get beyond you're ignorance.

Been around the block? Please don't make me laugh because trust me this is pure comedy. Thanks.

Common knowledge in the community (maybe the internet community is different - I get stronger and bigger by training, not reading teen bbing forums) is that a person should exploit all avenues to growth and strength. Free weights are certainly one of those as shown by my lifts. There are other complementary pathways as well. If you choose to turn a blind eye, ignore them, or profess knowledge to the contrary, by all means be my guest. I see guys like you at the gym all the time - stuck in your little box, closed minded. It's ok, I don't mind. To each their own - but please don't misinform people.

Just to be clear, YES I use the smith machine, YES I use free weights, YES I also use cables. My workouts are based around periodization, tempo, and training to absolute failure.

One last thing, people get injured not because of the method they employ while lifting but simply because they are careless.

If you have anything else you'd like to direct at me personally please pm me with your email and we can pursue further discourse.

Ok? That's not too hard to understand is it?



Agreed on all counts. A convenient all in one gym, that also has free weight ability. :)

Dude, I call BS on all stats you listed above, except for your height, LOL. It is easy to post up some fabricated numbers pretending to be the next Jay Cutler. I will not play that game with you. Lets keep this friendly…what gym do you train at? I would love for you to show me your fabulous physique, your “balanced smith machine” workout regime and make me eat my words. I will be man enough to post up an apology if you are who you say you are.

Alternatively, you can meet me at my gym. I train at Fitness 365 in Mississauga. I am there everyday during the week in the lunch hour. You are welcome to join me for a workout so that I can demonstrate to you my ignorant methods of training for a laugh. I have a full setup at home, which I use in the evenings and which my wife uses to train clients, so that is also an option.

Please describe to me how I am closed minded? I simply recommended to the posters here that purchasing a cage would be more beneficial to them in the long run than purchasing a smith machine. Would you not agree with me? This particular machine in question is not of high quality (relative to other smiths I’ve seen) and I would not trust it when lifting heavy. You get what you pay for. I suppose for beginners it would be okay, but why not spend a little more on a cage that is commercial grade that will last a lifetime? Keystone Fitness sells used commercial grade fitness equipment. Great place to pick up a cage.

Would you also agree that in order to get really strong and big, you have to move heavy weight? Would you also agree that lifting heavy free weights is safer and more effective than attempting max effort work on machines? If you don’t agree with the above, I wish you the best of luck in your bodybuilding ventures.

PM sent with my contact info, I look forward to your reply.

[skyway]

Dude, I call BS on all stats you listed above, except for your height, LOL. It is easy to post up some fabricated numbers pretending to be the next Jay Cutler. I will not play that game with you. Lets keep this friendly…what gym do you train at? I would love for you to show me your fabulous physique, your “balanced smith machine” workout regime and make me eat my words. I will be man enough to post up an apology if you are who you say you are.

Alternatively, you can meet me at my gym. I train at Fitness 365 in Mississauga. I am there everyday during the week in the lunch hour. You are welcome to join me for a workout so that I can demonstrate to you my ignorant methods of training for a laugh. I have a full setup at home, which I use in the evenings and which my wife uses to train clients, so that is also an option.

Please describe to me how I am closed minded? I simply recommended to the posters here that purchasing a cage would be more beneficial to them in the long run than purchasing a smith machine. Would you not agree with me? This particular machine in question is not of high quality (relative to other smiths I’ve seen) and I would not trust it when lifting heavy. You get what you pay for. I suppose for beginners it would be okay, but why not spend a little more on a cage that is commercial grade that will last a lifetime? Keystone Fitness sells used commercial grade fitness equipment. Great place to pick up a cage.

Would you also agree that in order to get really strong and big, you have to move heavy weight? Would you also agree that lifting heavy free weights is safer and more effective than attempting max effort work on machines? If you don’t agree with the above, I wish you the best of luck in your bodybuilding ventures.

PM sent with my contact info, I look forward to your reply.

emailed.

Let's not belabor this any more. At the end of the day I think you realize that for me to have those numbers I train mostly with free weights. It just pisses me off when so called "experts" make proclamations that have flawed logic - such as the smith is worthless. The smith has allowed me to break through many plateaus (reverse press for triceps, as an example) and train through injuries where I otherwise would not have been able to train at all. This is why I take offense to someone telling me that an, at times, important part of my regime is junk. That's all.

Anyway check your email. And, let's let this die.

[gurshan]

Great thread! You can feel the hostility. Can't wait to see how this plays out. Keep us updated guys.

[Speedv1]

Wow.. i think we have a case of Red Flag Rage..

[chaoslord]

I don't understand why you guys are arguing about the smith machine. This thing is much more than that. It comes with an olympic bar. You can use it as a regular bench press and do free squats if u like ?! With the pullies you can do lots of different muscle groups.

[kuqdew]

I don't understand why you guys are arguing about the smith machine. This thing is much more than that. It comes with an olympic bar. You can use it as a regular bench press and do free squats if u like ?! With the pullies you can do lots of different muscle groups.

it does not come with an olympic bar

[Spray]

Thanks for killing the thread.

Has anyone seen this in stock in western toronto/vaughan? Doesn't look like you can call in for inventory.

[ohjay]

Thanks for killing the thread.

Has anyone seen this in stock in western toronto/vaughan? Doesn't look like you can call in for inventory.

In Edmonton there are only displays available. And yes you can call in for inventory. In fact, if you call one and they don't have it they will check stock in surrounding stores for you immediately.

[chaoslord]

I just bought it today, box #7 is a 7 feet olympic bar.


thanx to all the people who bashed this thread, so I was able to get a set today.

[cannon_fodder]

Thanks for killing the thread.

Has anyone seen this in stock in western toronto/vaughan? Doesn't look like you can call in for inventory.

I saw one (perhaps only the floor model as I wasn't paying close attention - based on this thread I was worried the loose welds would cause the machine to spontaneously fall on me and, because I would then be using stabilizer muscles and not have the restricted form of motion provided by the smith machine, would not be able to push it off of me) in the Dundas/403 Costco.

[baseline]

thanks OP

my friend and I picked up a set each yesterday

can anybody who bought it tell me what box 7 of 7 is? we are missing it

we have the 1of4 2of4 3of4 and 4of4, and 1to6 of 7, but 7of7 couldn't be found in the store.

Thanks in advance!

[chaoslord]

read my post : last one of page 5

[baseline]

read my post : last one of page 5


oh missed that
thanks

[agepag]

Ok even with all the negitive posts about this unit and the debate between free weights vs smith machine, could you just use the bar and some free weights and the bench? It also comes with the leg attachments. For the price this looks like a pretty good deal. I was at fitness source and I can't get anything, new or used for $500. Any coments....

[chaoslord]

just to use it as a bench press it's almost worth it. Look for a good brand new bench press (300$) with Olympic bar (at least 50$) and 2x35lb , 2x25lb and 4 or 6 other small plates. Also on the smith machine you can adjust stoppers in case you don't have a spotter and are not able to lift the bar anymore. There's also the pulleys but as some have said, they are plastics, time will tell if it's durable or not.

[mikeycanuk]

I'll jump in this thread. While it looks nice and all it's still a waste of $. A smith is usefull for *some* exercises. What about the pec deck? useless for anything but rear flyes which can be done with dumbells. Leg extension is another useless attachment. But again it's appealing to the first timers who will simply end up using it as a clothes rack. A LOT can be done with a rack, bench, barbells and dumbells. A cable crossover is also nice but not needed.

Have any of you considering buying this worked out a gym? This piece will feel like a $499 and if you're used to commercial equipment you might be dissapointed. We have a home gym with 35k of commerical eq. We first went to Fitness Source, tried a home gym piece and immediately decided that we needed commercial eq. You pay for what you get.

[azn_pnoy]

does anyone have the specs on this one?? (LxWxH) I just want to know if it'll fit in my basement.


THanks!

[mirek]

I'll jump in this thread. While it looks nice and all it's still a waste of $. A smith is usefull for *some* exercises. What about the pec deck? useless for anything but rear flyes which can be done with dumbells. Leg extension is another useless attachment. But again it's appealing to the first timers who will simply end up using it as a clothes rack. A LOT can be done with a rack, bench, barbells and dumbells. A cable crossover is also nice but not needed.

Have any of you considering buying this worked out a gym? This piece will feel like a $499 and if you're used to commercial equipment you might be dissapointed. We have a home gym with 35k of commerical eq. We first went to Fitness Source, tried a home gym piece and immediately decided that we needed commercial eq. You pay for what you get.


you're comparing 499$ home gym to 35k of commercial eq, enjoy your gym, *********.

[lilbamboo]

do they still have these for this price?

[agepag]

you're comparing 499$ home gym to 35k of commercial eq, enjoy your gym, *********.

LOL, my thoughts exactly!!!

[rambokid]

Will all the boxes fit inside a short wheel base van ?
Is 1 man enough for loading in the van?

[rambokid]

I think good deal at $499. I have been looking for an affordable machine just for variety and for safety when no one is home :D .

Questions:
1) Any stability problem if placing the olympic bar at the highest position for chinups.
2) Does it have lat pull down, where is the lat bar, which pulley?
3) I read the pulleys are plastic, is there a load limit. It is dangerous if it snaps during exercise.

[Iggynatz]

Sort of off topic, but I figure somebody watching this thread might know: Where should I look for a set of the thick foam plates? I used to use them at the UTM gym all the time and I loved them. I want to start working out in my garage and that's the first thing I want to get...

[VenomGT]

Not that I really want to get this thread going again but the price just went down to $299.97.

No visible stock in Woodbine & 7 location. - only floor model left.
Call around and see where there is stock left.

Enjoy!

[dreadknot69]

Where did you see it for $299? For that price, I might just pick it up.

[chaoslord]

damm it 299$ !!!!! I bought it 3 weeks ago at 499$ can I pricematch even if there is no stock left?

[VenomGT]

damm it 299$ !!!!! I bought it 3 weeks ago at 499$ can I pricematch even if there is no stock left?

You need to find stock now. They found one in stock and I got my moeny back. They still have floor model in Woodbine and HWY 7.

See if this works.

[b33f]

Nice!!
Now I'm getting the feeling of coming at the gym.. and getting the feeling of coming at home.. so I'm coming day and night!

[rambokid]

Not that I really want to get this thread going again but the price just went down to $299.97.

No visible stock in Woodbine & 7 location. - only floor model left.
Call around and see where there is stock left.

Enjoy!Wow, hot at $299! Is it good idea to phone to check for stock, does costco hide stocks like Stooples?

[StoneColdWhat]

Hmmm very tempting.. i wonder if its going to drop more.. this set doesn't look very good tho.

[rEDSpider]

does any one have an item number for this product? thanks

-rS

[R8247]

Nice!!
Now I'm getting the feeling of coming at the gym.. and getting the feeling of coming at home.. so I'm coming day and night!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Uonicx40Sc8

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[Loomy]

Just picked up a Smith Machine with weights and Costco (Vaughan) for $299
Can't go wrong for this price.

http://tsa.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p4172935dt.jpg

Even the both cashiers were amazed at the drop they tell me it was around $799 on special.

BTW: 1 left in Vaughan (7 boxes so be ready). Hope this not a re-post.

Sure this is the same model:
http://www.sportsauthority.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2909663&cp=710956.710958.698440&pageType=family&parentPage=family

I don't like smith machines either, but if you want one, 299 is a crazy good price. You can spend more on four iron bells.

[Mendes]

This machine for this price will be one of if not THE hottest gym deal of the year.

a quality smith isnt cheap and this machine can do A LOT.

210lbs isnt CRAZY but more then most average people will use. And you can always add weights.

SMOKING deal

[agepag]

Can someone who bought this tell me how its packed? I called all the stores and there all sold out except one store has one in the back, bit they can only see the big box, nothing else?

[Acuratl]

anyword on stock in Calgary? Let me know guys, i'll call the warehouse's when they open in 2hrs.. GOOD luck to all today

[VenomGT]

Part # 136650
7 boxes in total

[hazman]

you're comparing 499$ home gym to 35k of commercial eq, enjoy your gym, *********.

hahahahahahahaha!!!!!
This might be my all time favourite post!!!!

C

[rambokid]

OOS in Mississauga & Brampton :mad:

[chaoslord]

wouhouuu got my price adjustment! For 299$ this is smoking hot, just for the bench, olympic bar and weights it's worth it.

[pesttt]

Ohhh yeah baby!!! Got my price adjusted as well in Montreal !!!!
I don't care how good or BAD this Gym is....the point is for $299.99 it is SMOKING !!!

[Ironballz]

Wow...I can't believe the price of this. I'm tempted to buy one just as a backup gym lol.

[chaoslord]

Ohhh yeah baby!!! Got my price adjusted as well in Montreal !!!!
I don't care how good or BAD this Gym is....the point is for $299.99 it is SMOKING !!!

where did u do it? First I went to marché-central and there was no stock left and the lady told me there was one left at Bridge and I had to go there (that's where I originally bought it)

[rambokid]

Any stocks in GTA :(

[andy_4029]

anyword on stock in Calgary? Let me know guys, i'll call the warehouse's when they open in 2hrs.. GOOD luck to all today

So did you find one in Calgary? Any more left?

[Acuratl]

So did you find one in Calgary? Any more left?

Well i just cross-referenced the stock number posted by the member, apparently no stock left in Calgary...

[ephemera]

I really wanted this, went to the store to check the height and its 1 inch to tall for my basement. UGH! $299 is crazy!!!!!!!!!!!

[rambokid]

I really wanted this, went to the store to check the height and its 1 inch to tall for my basement. UGH! $299 is crazy!!!!!!!!!!!
Which store?????

[agepag]

yeah which store, I called them all, and they said there were none left!

[jstaneon]

wow I would say that thats a great price for what you get.

True free weights will give you a better workout, but lets be realistic.... most people buying a home gym arent looking to become Arnold Schwarzenneger. If they were, they would be buying a gym membership instead.

[graeme dirks]

how do i purchase this item

thanks graeme

[supercow]

how do i purchase this item

thanks graeme

Pls send $299 to me by Western Union

[reggie77]

Can anyone tell me which Costco in Ontario has this? I'm willing to drive within a 3 hour range from Toronto.

[hellinar]

Even if this Gold's one is out of stock, do they still carry the Nautilus brand in stores? Their website only shows the Ivanko one, for 899.

[shma]

anyone want to sell theirs? Or know of any similar deals?

TIA

[quantass]

Im looking for a quality smith machine. If you're up for selling yours PM me.