Smoked SCAMMED ME BIG TIME

[flavp5]

I am writing this post To inform you of the Scam i just received from the User "Smoked" aka felix Tsang on this forum.

We had setup that i would sent him my acer laptop for a $350 dollar Futureshop gift card. I would ship it expresspost which i hae and he would sent the gift card expresspost.

I received the Giftcard to and to my horror there is not a penny on it, never been registered before zero dollars and not even removed from the package to be scanned as a cashier usually has to do.

I write him to see if he sent the wrong card but am getting nowhere with him.
Now i have to try and stop Canadapost from delivering my laptop which is on route and supposed to be delivered Monday.

I have contacted The rcmp, York police dept, And my local authorities on this individual as well. As this is pure fraud!

I forwarded him a copy of one of my complaints but have not heard back from him , If the local police or rcmp can't help I will seek legal council

I'm very upset today as i had two successful transactions on RFD the past week and now this happens and ruins my confidence in people.

Buyer beware

Also note the previous thread where this individual tried to scam another user

[dasaylay]

Should've checked his background. He's in the middle of another scam accusation.

Sorry for your loss. Hope you can get your money back!

Edit: mmm....gotta finish reading first. You did mention the other accusation lol my bad

[Aj23]

Smoked says someone else scammed him in another thread and then comes to scam someone himself? I don't get it, he gets mad for almost being scammed as he said and now scams you. I hope he gets caught or he sorts this out with you.

[RLP06]

Smoked says someone else scammed him in another thread and then comes to scam someone himself? I don't get it, he gets mad for almost being scammed as he said and now scams you. I hope he gets caught or he sorts this out with you.

I would have been very careful to deal with him after going through that thread...

[Smoked]

i've sent him a giftcard with every cent.

i have also answered all of your pms dont lie.

[Aj23]

i've sent him a giftcard with every cent.

OP maybe go in store and have them check it out? If you did it online, maybe something could have gone wrong....

[Smoked]

OP maybe go in store and have them check it out? If you did it online, maybe something could have gone wrong....

i hoped you check instore.

Anyways. You say you sent the laptop with express post on APRIL 8. Express post only takes 1-2 buisness days, i still dont see anything. my LOADED gift card on the other hand was sent 1 day after your laptop. How come you recieved the card and i have gotten my laptop?

[mcg]

..what the **** is with these stories nowadays? They seem all rushed.

[Smoked]

Answer Me Dude

[flavp5]

I checked online and on the phone with a rep the card # is not in the system.

As mentioned this has all been sent to the proper law enforcement agencies.
As for the laptop being sent The tracking # is here for anyone to see, It is on route and left the province according to Canadapost which i have spoke with twice today already.

9272 0918 2273 5001
www.canadapost.ca

I will also post pics of the unit that was sent.

This is a case of me now having your giftcard which i will also post pics of what you sent. It doesn't make sense on why you would send me a unactivated giftcard. Do you have a receipt or anything? I have asked you this before. The card was never removed from the package to be activated in the store.

[Smoked]

I checked online and on the phone with a rep the card # is not in the system.

As mentioned this has all been sent to the proper law enforcement agencies.
As for the laptop being sent The tracking # is here for anyone to see, It is on route and left the province according to Canadapost which i have spoke with twice today already.

9272 0918 2273 5001
www.canadapost.ca

I will also post pics of the unit that was sent.

This is a case of me now having your giftcard which i will also post pics of what you sent. It doesn't make sense on why you would send me a unactivated giftcard. Do you have a receipt or anything? I have asked you this before. The card was never removed from the package to be activated in the store.

its obiously a gift-card therefore i recieved as a gift. I am 100% sure that the the card has 350.51 cents. i checked at a local FS before shipping it off at Shopper's Postal office

[flavp5]

The best part of all this is that you have the nerve to say you did nothing wrong, I just received word from RECOL that my complaints have been forwarded to the Ontario Provincial police dept as well as the RCMP. I hope they can do something to rectify this situation.

I also like how you received the gift card as a gift with $350.51 on there , i never bought a gift card for $350.xx cents before.. This had to obviously been a return or credit to have .xx change on there so it would have a receipt.

[Smoked]

The best part of all this is that you have the nerve to say you did nothing wrong, I just received word from RECOL that my complaints have been forwarded to the Ontario Provincial police dept as well as the RCMP. I hope they can do something to rectify this situation.

I also like how you received the gift card as a gift with $350.51 on there , i never bought a gift card for $350.xx cents before.. This had to obviously been a return or credit to have .xx change on there so it would have a receipt.

the card was orginally 400 as i purchased something to bring it down to 350 to trade with you.

[prock]

I bought 2 red lobster gift cards before on ebay, when I called, same thing happened, they didn't find it, when I went in to take some take out, they checked the cards, and it went through fine...

might want to check it out in store

[flavp5]

I also told you i will give you the card # to call FS for yourself, There is nothing on there.

I can scan it along with the envelope you sent it in , you can accuse me all you want of replacing it, But why would i contact all of the law agencies if I was the scammer here. Get real

If you used this card to purchase something then you would have a receipt then showing the balance? Correct?

[ultimate_rugal]

The only way one can prove that the GC is invalid is by getting a receipt from the FS showing that it was cleared (emptied) on a date prior to the receiving date of OP.

OP should post a receipt since he's making the accusations.

Just wondering, why would OP make the transaction even though he was aware of previous accusations?

[flavp5]

I am going to go to futureshop now to have them check it to make sure..

But it seems strange that you used this card before and when i received it today it was glued to the giftbox insert, and says was never activated.

shady don't you think?

[fastlayne]

its obiously a gift-card therefore i recieved as a gift. I am 100% sure that the the card has 350.51 cents. i checked at a local FS before shipping it off at Shopper's Postal office

Do you have a picture of yourself at the FS cash register including the register displaying $350.51? :cheesygri How about a scan of the register receipt (after checking the card), with date and time, to prove your story? How did all this get done without the card being removed from its package?

Needless to say nobody believes you.

[Smoked]

The only way one can prove that the GC is invalid is by getting a receipt from the FS showing that it was cleared (emptied) on a date prior to the receiving date of OP.

OP should post a receipt since he's making the accusations.

Just wondering, why would OP make the transaction even though he was aware of previous accusations?

what if he replaces my gift card with a different one? I will try to find recipets but i purchased it along time ago so i am not sure.

[prock]

it still seems shady, and if he already purchased something, he'd have the receipt...plus, futureshop customer service is a lot better than red lobsters, especially since i was doing it through a machine

might as well do what you're doing and just go check it out to be 100% sure

[prock]

what if he replaces my gift card with a different one? I will try to find recipets but i purchased it along time ago so i am not sure.

if you bought the gift card, you'd have the original # on it, and can check all purchases made with it

likewise, if anyone in your place has a business, or business expenses, I'm sure you don't garbage bin futureshop receipts...

you're not helping your case by stating what if he replaces it lol

[flavp5]

If i was going scam you by using this card then it will show in the system that a giftcard was used today with $350.51 on it correct ?

The authorities can check this out for themselves as there was never a giftcard with this value sent.

I will check with futureshop for piece of mind but i have tryed it online and through the automated system and with a CSR and it says the card has never been activated before.

[fastlayne]

its obiously a gift-card therefore i recieved as a gift. I am 100% sure that the the card has 350.51 cents. i checked at a local FS before shipping it off at Shopper's Postal office


what if he replaces my gift card with a different one? I will try to find recipets but i purchased it along time ago so i am not sure.

Did you receive it as a gift or purchase it yourself? You got to keep your story consistent to be believable.

It is hard to believe that you wouldn't have saved the FS "balance check" receipt from when you checked the balance at the "local FS" before shipping.

[ultimate_rugal]

if you are not sure about the balance (other words can't prove yourself), just return the laptop to OP when you get it. this way, at least you don't get the negative feedback. pm is the best policy....


what if he replaces my gift card with a different one? I will try to find recipets but i purchased it along time ago so i am not sure.

[flavp5]

Also you stated the giftcard was a gift , but then you stated you purchased something recently to bring the value down to $350.xx, now your saying you bought the "item" long ago

Whats the story here?
If you have a $350.xx or $400 or whatever giftcard there would be a receipt or some proof as to show there is money still on this thing.
Its not like a $25 gift card that if you lost the receipt no big deal
its a $400.00 gift card originally

[Smoked]

if you are not sure about the balance (other words can't prove yourself), just return the laptop to OP when you get it. this way, at least you don't get the negative feedback. pm is the best policy....

i know exactly how much was on as, i said i checked it before mailing it. I would be glade to take my card back. As i can buy a much better broken laptop for 350

[FlintBlade]

1) Call up CanadaPost and have them send the laptop back too you.
2) Go into a Local FutureShop RIGHT NOW and get proof that the card is emptied.

Until that, theres no point in continuing this rant. We've already tried this with smoked in the other thread. IT will get you know where. He will keep lying or saying irrelevant things.

[flavp5]

Negative feedback is the least of this guys worries if i Dont get either
A: Futureshop gift card
or
B: my laptop back


As mentioned I already sent my story and all related info, posts, pictures

to RECOL, RCMP, Ontario police Dept , and my local RNC police dispatch

This is one scam thats gonna bite you back if you don't resolve this with me.

[Smoked]

Also you stated the giftcard was a gift , but then you stated you purchased something recently to bring the value down to $350.xx, now your saying you bought the "item" long ago

Whats the story here?
If you have a $350.xx or $400 or whatever giftcard there would be a receipt or some proof as to show there is money still on this thing.
Its not like a $25 gift card that if you lost the receipt no big deal
its a $400.00 gift card originally

AS I SAID MANY TIMES. THE GIFT CARD HAD EXACTLY 350.51 CENT WHEN I SHIPPED IT OUT.

AS I SAID, THIS WAS A GIFTCARD, THAT I RECIEVED AS A GIFT.

PLZ READ MY POSTS AGAIN.

[Smoked]

1) Call up CanadaPost and have them send the laptop back too you.
2) Go into a Local FutureShop RIGHT NOW and get proof that the card is emptied.

Until that, theres no point in continuing this rant. We've already tried this with smoked in the other thread. IT will get you know where. He will keep lying or saying irrelevant things.

Just because CMB. dealt with you once you think he aint a scammer? I've dealt with 15 other people, so i am automatically a scammer?

[fastlayne]

AS I SAID MANY TIMES. THE GIFT CARD HAD EXACTLY 350.51 CENT WHEN I SHIPPED IT OUT.

AS I SAID, THIS WAS A GIFTCARD, THAT I RECIEVED AS A GIFT.

PLZ READ MY POSTS AGAIN.


We all know how to read. This is what you wrote....


what if he replaces my gift card with a different one? I will try to find recipets but i purchased it along time ago so i am not sure.

[flavp5]

CMB wasn't actually scammed
I have been scammed out of my laptop

I read all your posts and the countless private messages
Where is the receipt? why doesn't this card work?

Why would i go through the trouble of contacting the police over this?? Its not something i take lightly and you shouldn't either.

[Smoked]

We all know how to read. This is what you wrote....

people was asking me for the reciept of the item i purchase with the gift-card and not the gift card!

The gift-card was a gift

[Aj23]

people was asking me for the reciept of the item i purchase with the gift-card and not the gift card!

The gift-card was a gift

I think when he said "but I purchased it a long time ago" he meant he purchased the item on it a long time ago, but I think he also said that he used to GC so he could give $350 to this guy...I think we should wait to see what happens at FS, but this does seem sort of shady as well. I am not saying he is a scammer, I just came up with something from my own observation.

[flavp5]

ok do you have a way of getting the receipt off the person who gave you this as a GIFT???

I i bought a $400 giftcard for someone i would have the receipt somewhere
and if not then you would have the receipt for the $49.49 item you purchased..

Someone should have a receipt

[Smoked]

I think when he said "but I purchased it a long time ago" he meant he purchased the item on it a long time ago, but I think he also said that he used to GC so he could give $350 to this guy...I think we should wait to see what happens at FS, but this does seem sort of shady as well. I am not saying he is a scammer, I just came up with something from my own observation.

your the only one that accually reads my posts :cry:

[alchemist7r]

The only way one can prove that the GC is invalid is by getting a receipt from the FS showing that it was cleared (emptied) on a date prior to the receiving date of OP.

OP should post a receipt since he's making the accusations.

Just wondering, why would OP make the transaction even though he was aware of previous accusations?

+1

Before you go about accusing someone, go to a store and get a receipt confirming that the card is actually empty as you say.

[Smoked]

ok do you have a way of getting the receipt off the person who gave you this as a GIFT???

I i bought a $400 giftcard for someone i would have the receipt somewhere
and if not then you would have the receipt for the $49.49 item you purchased..

Someone should have a receipt

Do you think someone will keep a reciept of a gift-card given out chinese new year of 07? As of right now i am digging my room.

[flavp5]

I will do that , but i was told by a csr, online and automated phone system that this card has yet to be activated

I am on my way now to have it scanned

[flavp5]

dude If this works i will be truely sorry but you have to see it from my perspective, 3 sources and nothing coming back from this card and the fact you have another scamming post with someone else

[Smoked]

dude If this works i will be truely sorry but you have to see it from my perspective, 3 sources and nothing coming back from this card and the fact you have another scamming post with someone else

no probs. everyone has problems somehow.

[FlintBlade]

Just because CMB. dealt with you once you think he aint a scammer? I've dealt with 15 other people, so i am automatically a scammer?

CMB has traded with me a couple of times and has done so with many other people on these boards. He may not have received feedback from everybody. But theres no way that CMB tried too scam you.

Does this automatically make you a scammer? No, not in the case of the trade that went on with you two. It was evident that it was a lack of trust issue and that NEITHER of you two had the intentions of scamming one another. CMB didn't want too scam you, and you had no plans too scam him.

You both were just too paranoid to send out goods without receiving the other end of the deal first. This led to an issue of which can now be seen in the thread that was posted. You are unable to give this issue up, even though you are equally too blame. You need to look past that situation.

Next time, don't trade your friends merchandise because you're in debt. It was evident you were trying to get the deal done quickly just too put the money in your pocket. The lack of communication brought the trade to a dire end. But all that matters is, neither of you had the intentions of scamming one another. CMB simply backed out of the trade, and this aggravated you as you now would not get paid.

The thing that really annoys me, is how you keep dragging it on even though you have nothing too prove. You keep digging yourself a whole and it's going too permanently taint your reputation. You're coming off as being a dense, immature spoiled little kid. You can't even prove anything you state and in retrospect, CMB actually can and has. Yet you keep telling him to prove **** he already has. Just let it go, apologize and make up.


But, now because of that, nobody can trust you. So now, anything you say becomes harder too believe. You really could be telling the truth and did not scam him, but because of past events, it's easier too believe that you did scam him rather than you didn't. Just because this guy calls you a scammer, that doesn't automatically mean you are. This issue needs too be resolved and hopefully it turns out that you are NOT a scammer. I'd rather it be that you're just a immature little kid than a scammer. I can deal with someone who has a bad attitude - but not if you plan too scam people.

I still can't jump the gun and say you scammed him. Since I'm a fair guy and don't like to make a decision until I see all the facts. What I would like you to do is, solve this issue, ok? That's it, I don't care how you do it, just do it. Pm him, don't post here anymore, you're just going to put yourself in the ground even more. As you can tell, people are already calling you out for contradicting yourself. So solve this issue via pm's, and report back here when you do so.

Once again, resolve this man, like seriously. If you ever want to trade here again you have to do it right. Solve this, I don't care what happened. Hopefully you didn't try to scam him. But if you did, just reverse it and give him the $350 or his laptop back. As you can see, if you try to scam, you get caught very easily on these boards. So it's not wise too do so, just resolve it. Both of you report back here, apologize too each other and we can all have fun. I don't want this too turn into another thread like the one with you and CMB. That's the best advice I can give you.

P.S: I didn't call you a scammer just to clarify. Sometimes trades go wrong with one or both parties are not communicative with each other. Some people also jump too conclusions before thinking or proving their case. Hopefully this was just a matter of the guy taking it too seriously and not checking the GC at a local FS. I don't believe that you are a scammer until the facts prove you are. Atm, it's just a bunch of bad timing. So solve this and clear your name so everyone can be happy, OK?

[Smoked]

CMB has traded with me a couple of times and has done so with many other people on these boards. He may not have received feedback from everybody. But theres no way that CMB tried too scam you.

Does this automatically make you a scammer? No, not in the case of the trade that went on with you two. It was evident that it was a lack of trust issue and that NEITHER of you two had the intentions of scamming one another. CMB didn't want too scam you, and you had no plans too scam him.

You both were just too paranoid to send out goods without receiving the other end of the deal first. This led to an issue of which can now be seen in the thread that was posted. You are unable to give this issue up, even though you are equally too blame. You need to look past that situation.

Next time, don't trade your friends merchandise because you're in debt. It was evident you were trying to get the deal done quickly just too put the money in your pocket. The lack of communication brought the trade to a dire end. But all that matters is, neither of you had the intentions of scamming one another. CMB simply backed out of the trade, and this aggravated you as you now would not get paid.

The thing that really annoys me, is how you keep dragging it on even though you have nothing too prove. You keep digging yourself a whole and it's going too permanently taint your reputation. You're coming off as being a dense, immature spoiled little kid. You can't even prove anything you state and in retrospect, CMB actually can and has. Yet you keep telling him to prove **** he already has. Just let it go, apologize and make up.


But, now because of that, nobody can trust you. So now, anything you say becomes harder too believe. You really could be telling the truth and did not scam him, but because of past events, it's easier too believe that you did scam him rather than you didn't. Just because this guy calls you a scammer, that doesn't automatically mean you are. This issue needs too be resolved and hopefully it turns out that you are NOT a scammer. I'd rather it be that you're just a immature little kid than a scammer. I can deal with someone who has a bad attitude - but not if you plan too scam people.

I still can't jump the gun and say you scammed him. Since I'm a fair guy and don't like to make a decision until I see all the facts. What I would like you to do is, solve this issue, ok? That's it, I don't care how you do it, just do it. Pm him, don't post here anymore, you're just going to put yourself in the ground even more. As you can tell, people are already calling you out for contradicting yourself. So solve this issue via pm's, and report back here when you do so.

Once again, resolve this man, like seriously. If you ever want to trade here again you have to do it right. Solve this, I don't care what happened. Hopefully you didn't try to scam him. But if you did, just reverse it and give him the $350 or his laptop back. As you can see, if you try to scam, you get caught very easily on these boards. So it's not wise too do so, just resolve it. Both of you report back here, apologize too each other and we can all have fun. I don't want this too turn into another thread like the one with you and CMB. That's the best advice I can give you.

P.S: Leave these boards now and go find any proof you can that the card had $350 on it. If you can't, you might have too send him his laptop back.

you might wanna read the tread again or ask CMB. my friend was oweing me money not the other way around. I usually try to not "owe" anyone money, always.

you can call me anything immature, kid or so on... I dont really care, thats what you think.

As from this point on, i will avoid dealing online, just to much for me... if you see all the feedbacks that i have, you know i aint a "bad" user

[johnmoon]

alavp5: just go to store and get it scanned otherwise this thread is pointless....

[Smoked]

alavp5: just go to store and get it scanned otherwise this thread is pointless....

i believe he is gone right now, hope he comes back happy :)

[FlintBlade]

you might wanna read the tread again or ask CMB. my friend was oweing me money not the other way around. I usually try to not "owe" anyone money, always.

you can call me anything immature, kid or so on... I dont really care, thats what you think.

As from this point on, i will avoid dealing online, just to much for me... if you see all the feedbacks that i have, you know i aint a "bad" user

Based on your replies, you do come off as being a young immature being. This may not be the way you are outside of these forums. But it's the image you let off in your replies that leaves people to come to this conclusion.

But really, it doesn't matter. You don't need to leave the boards, if you want too than that's fine. You can stay and you can make positive trades here on out. You just need to find out what you're doing wrong, and prevent yourself from continuing on that path.

The main issue right now, is not the perception of the people against you. But rather, resolving this trade and doing nothing but good deals here on out. From this particular trade, you now have learned to get a receipt to back up the amount you claim is on a GC.

Cheers!

[Reign]

Flint remember what happened to you :P

[Smoked]

Based on your replies, you do come off as being a young immature being. This may not be the way you are outside of these forums. But it's the image you let off in your replies that leaves people to come to this conclusion.

But really, it doesn't matter. You don't need to leave the boards, if you want too than that's fine. You can stay and you can make positive trades here on out. You just need to find out what you're doing wrong, and prevent yourself from continuing on that path.

The main issue right now, is not the perception of the people against you. But rather, resolving this trade and doing nothing but good deals here on out. From this particular trade, you now have learned to get a receipt to back up the amount you claim is on a GC.

Cheers!

yes, now i know, if i was ever to deal with a giftcard (highly unlikely) again a reciept for sure

Cheers!

[FlintBlade]

Flint remember what happened to you :P

Ya I know man.. that's why I don't want it too happen to smoked.

That bs that happened with me was so messed up. Talk about getting the only trailer trash, illiterate, moronic ***** on RFD too trade with me.

Ah well, I worked it out and it's resolved now.

[Smoked]

guys, i have to go study with some friends for a big test coming up. I will check up with you guys laters...

thanks for all your helps.

[7jaii]

OK, this is where my experience last month as a scam victim really helps.

1. Smoked had to confirm his GC number's total balance.
1a. flavp5 had to confirm Smoked GC number.
**therefore Smoked number & flavp5 should show MODs identical number**

2. Smoke said he made a purchase off his GC, or it had $350 loaded.
2a. flavp5 said Futureshop CSR told him nothing is on the card.
**GC number should show activation date and list of transaction dates**
**if GC number doesn't exist on their system then it's not a real card, it was never loaded**

3. Smoked said he used the card, posting a receipt will prove a transaction date when GC was processed and amount deducted. You can't fake this.
3a. flavp5 can also prove that this GC number's balance hasn't been withdrawn since receiving it from Smoked.
**Futureshop has no reason to LIE. If that GC number doesn't exist in their system then $350 was never sent**
**Smoked/flavp5 cannot fabricate phantom transaction, regardless of date, that GC number resides in Futureshop's system**

Who's telling the truth? Smoked MUST HAVE confirmed the GC number to know the balance before mailing it out. flavp5 MUST confirm through Futureshop. That number is identical, Futureshop would not cancel or it doesn't expire in 1 week's time. Futureshop can search archives for card activation.

The RFDer lying today should be banned because we've experienced too many GC card fraud. For this offender to blatantly lie in this thread proves they don't belong at RFD.

[FlintBlade]

OK, this is where my experience last month as a scam victim really helps.



2. Smoke said he made a purchase off his GC, or it had $350 loaded.
2a. flavp5 said Futureshop CSR told him nothing is on the card.
**GC number should show activation date and list of transaction dates**
**if GC number doesn't exist on their system then it's not a real card, it was never loaded**

Very good point right here. If the card shows it originally had $400 and a purchase of $50 was made than it's the right GC. But if it shows it never had any money, or that all $400 was used. Than Smoked will have some explaining too do.

Good job, 7jaii!

[RLP06]

The suspense is killing my F5 :P

[flavp5]

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Ok like the title says SCAMMED!

I drive to Futureshop which is about a 25 mins drive from where I live , Go in and ask to have the card scanned (even though I already tried all other methods as mentioned before) and low and behold, The CSR says this card is not activated in the system. If there was zero balance on the card i could get a receipt but since it was not activated they can provide nothing

Exactly what i expected, So now heres my loses
I'm gonna be out my laptop when he picks it up unless law enforcement can do anything
I'm out 47.xx it cost to ship it expresspost
I'm out 6 hours of my life on Friday trying to straighten this out and gas to and from Futureshop


I'm asking you one more time Smoked, Fix this situation , I can post the card # on here for all to see , since its useless anyway , Pics of my sent laptop, and email i sent to the authorities, Theres not much else i can do to co-operate on this side. You either sent me the wrong card or you are flat out Scamming me.

Something has got to be done about this, its not $50 we talking here, its $350

Arghhh I'm so mad over this!

[7jaii]

I can post the card # on here for all to see , since its useless anyway , Pics of my sent laptop, and email i sent to the authorities, Theres not much else i can do to co-operate on this side. You either sent me the wrong card or you are flat out Scamming me.

flavp5:

Don't argue here because it's just public opinion and that won't win your money back. Forward all PM, Photos, Tracking receipts, name of Futureshop CSR (ask for a CASE NUMBER), and most importantly GC number to MODs (nsx can direct your info to a MOD who can investigate on your behalf, nsx is overworked - dude deserves a rest).

Don't Post GC Number Here! Since this number is critical evidence, only MODs & authorities should see it. Only you & Smoked know this number and can't manipulate Futureshop...we don't want others to contact FS and interfere in this investigation.

The RFDer lying here needs to worry more than bans, contact local police & RCMP. Authorities can contact RFD mods for IP Address and confirm contact info & log in times. This works both ways...Smoked can send in his info.

I'm really upset there's so much scamming on RFD and these are only reported cases. Last month 2 RFDers were banned, 3 received negative-poor feedback for bad practices --> only after I contact them & MODs. Otherwise, they would continue to scam. We have to root out scammers. I don't care if it's flavp5 or Smoked so I won't take sides but one RFDer should be banned for not just scamming but for boldly lying to RFDers here.

[flavp5]

who should i contact then , Any mods

[7jaii]

who should i contact then , Any mods

It is very important to provide MODs & police with accurate and relevant info. Your photos & private messages, Canadapost receipts & Futureshop visits should be forwarded. Just the facts...

This is a link to all MODs (at the bottom): http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showgroups.php

These MODs have helped me in the past: Evil Techie nsx Headhunter | JayPatel & Rehan were excellent MODs before being promoted to Admin.

[Smoked]

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Ok like the title says SCAMMED!

I drive to Futureshop which is about a 25 mins drive from where I live , Go in and ask to have the card scanned (even though I already tried all other methods as mentioned before) and low and behold, The CSR says this card is not activated in the system. If there was zero balance on the card i could get a receipt but since it was not activated they can provide nothing

Exactly what i expected, So now heres my loses
I'm gonna be out my laptop when he picks it up unless law enforcement can do anything
I'm out 47.xx it cost to ship it expresspost
I'm out 6 hours of my life on Friday trying to straighten this out and gas to and from Futureshop


I'm asking you one more time Smoked, Fix this situation , I can post the card # on here for all to see , since its useless anyway , Pics of my sent laptop, and email i sent to the authorities, Theres not much else i can do to co-operate on this side. You either sent me the wrong card or you are flat out Scamming me.

Something has got to be done about this, its not $50 we talking here, its $350

Arghhh I'm so mad over this!

I sent you out the cards, i dont know what your talking about. i sent you the right card with every cent.

Which Mod IS involved with this?

[trader08]

Nevermind, misread...

[flavp5]

you sent out a card with nothing on it , or sent the wrong one,

its one of the two, There is no sense in talking in here anymore, I will let the mods decide what happens on here, and I will let the law take its course on the outside, It's obvious that you are lying have nothing to back up your stories.

No receipts
no card #'s
nothing
No one is denying you sent a card, You did, one that was never activated. Which i have in my possession right now

When a Mod takes over this thread, He can ask us both to confirm the card #'s and then someone will be found out a fraud, I'm 100% confident that person will be you . I'm sure the Police will be in contact with you as well, I have already given them My contact info and forwarded your address and email and user name on this site as well as all messages and info.

If I dont hear from the authorities by Monday I will be seeking legal council in this matter as well, I'm not losing out on my laptop and $50 shipping over a scam. Its more principal now then money. And People like you give Sites like this a bad name.

[Smoked]

you sent out a card with nothing on it , or sent the wrong one,

its one of the two, There is no sense in talking in here anymore, I will let the mods decide what happens on here, and I will let the law take its course on the outside, It's obvious that you are lying have nothing to back up your stories.

No receipts
no card #'s
nothing
No one is denying you sent a card, You did, one that was never activated. Which i have in my possession right now

When a Mod takes over this thread, He can ask us both to confirm the card #'s and then someone will be found out a fraud, I'm 100% confident that person will be you . I'm sure the Police will be in contact with you as well, I have already given them My contact info and forwarded your address and email and user name on this site as well as all messages and info.

If I dont hear from the authorities by Monday I will be seeking legal council in this matter as well, I'm not losing out on my laptop and $50 shipping over a scam. Its more principal now then money. And People like you give Sites like this a bad name.

i do not have the number of the giftcard i sent, however i have the reciepts now which i will file to any mod that is "in charge"

[flavp5]

Excellent , With a receipt this situation should be resolved easy enough
It should include the card # from the giftcard in question

I implore you to call Futureshop and validate the card's worth, If it is a different # then what i have it only suggests you sent me the wrong card, If theres a $350.xx balance from your receipts we can figure this whole situation out.

I already offered to send you the card # i have via email before i resorted to posting publicly.

[canadiankorean]

AS I SAID MANY TIMES. THE GIFT CARD HAD EXACTLY 350.51 CENT WHEN I SHIPPED IT OUT.

AS I SAID, THIS WAS A GIFTCARD, THAT I RECIEVED AS A GIFT.

PLZ READ MY POSTS AGAIN.

He is trying to play with his words people.
$350.51 when I shipped it out..
So if it was spent after it was shipped (which he probably did)... he is not responsible..

[flavp5]

The giftcard doesn't have a zero dollar balance
it has never been activated , meaning it never had any money on it to begin with , Which is why when the futureshop cashier scanned it , They can't even print a receipt, It never had a balance.

[Smoked]

Excellent , With a receipt this situation should be resolved easy enough
It should include the card # from the giftcard in question

I implore you to call Futureshop and validate the card's worth, If it is a different # then what i have it only suggests you sent me the wrong card, If theres a $350.xx balance from your receipts we can figure this whole situation out.

I already offered to send you the card # i have via email before i resorted to posting publicly.

i will be right as long as you cant prove that the gift-card, that you have "empty" in fact accually the real card i sent you. Unless you can prove that you the card that i sent you and it have nothing on it. (untrue...)

[canadiankorean]

i will be right as long as you cant prove that the gift-card, that you have "empty" in fact accually the real card i sent you. Unless you can prove that you the card that i sent you and it have nothing on it. (untrue...)

Classic scammer response isn't it?
I think it comes from page 24 from the "How to get out of a sticky situation" chapter..

I suggest everything Smoked posted be quoted so he can't modify or delete posts...

[Smoked]

Classic scammer response isn't it?
I think it comes from page 24 from the "How to get out of a sticky situation" chapter..

I suggest everything Smoked posted be quoted so he can't modify or delete posts...

how is the response a scammer's response? i am just letting him know if he wants to pull anything he would be caught.

Quote this.

[flavp5]

You said you have the receipts
Call futureshop or check online and you will see that the the card you sent me either has a balance or it doesn't

How am I scamming you? I forwarded all this info to the police and sent you a CC to your email.

If you have the receipt's with the card info just check it for your self, if it has the so called $350.xx on there then call me up , pm me, email me, and we can fix this whole mess. If not then as mentioned let the law officials handle it.

[Smoked]

You said you have the receipts
Call futureshop or check online and you will see that the the card you sent me either has a balance or it doesn't

How am I scamming you? I forwarded all this info to the police and sent you a CC to your email.

If you have the receipt's with the card info just check it for your self, if it has the so called $350.xx on there then call me up , pm me, email me, and we can fix this whole mess. If not then as mentioned let the law officials handle it.

i too, will be writing a letter including my feedbacks.

[flavp5]

Dude your feedback have nothing to do with it, I have also called the RCMP and gave them all the information, I am awaiting a call back from the Ontario police dept as well.

Feedbacks mean nothing, you have the receipts you said, double check your card # and call futureshop or check online, HAVE YOU DONE THIS YET???

YES OR NO

Its not hard for the police to check with futureshop to see if a $35x.xx gift card was used in the one Fustureshop store in Newfoundland, or even easier online.

Its not rocket science to get to the bottom of this

[canadiankorean]

i do not have the number of the giftcard i sent, however i have the reciepts now which i will file to any mod that is "in charge"

Yay he found the receipt which has the gift card #.

Now flav has a giftcard with a number...

I hope they match up.

please post what happens...

[7jaii]

i will be right as long as you cant prove that the gift-card, that you have "empty" in fact accually the real card i sent you. Unless you can prove that you the card that i sent you and it have nothing on it. (untrue...)

That's just double talk. Your GC number should match the card he received. Your GC number is shown on your receipt - Futureshop will show all transactions attached to that GC number. If flavp5 is lying, he can't clear out that card's balance can he? Because Futureshop has a record of that GC's history and the liar can't hide.

If you're lying, you can't spend that $350 because FS will flag your card while RFD & police investigate. It's one thing to exchange money in-person. It's another to use Canadapost to commit a crime; in this case it's Mail Fraud. So these guys are involved: RFD MODs | RCMP | CanadaPost | Local Police | Futureshop --- One RFDer will get caught.

And for what? $350 which is chump change when measured against your life earnings. This thread should be required reading before people trade.

* did flavp5 ship a laptop?
* did Smoked send a $350 GC?
* was there an attempt to defraud a RFDer?

Everyone should bump this thread to the top. At this stage it's too late for both sides to back away and say it's a mistake. Bring in the MODs and police -- Don't brag or pretend -- just bring in the police to investigate and lay charges.

* flavp5 can't spend $$$ on a locked GC
* Smoked can't receive a laptop unless he provided accurate contact info
* so police will have both parties contact info
* one RFDer will get screwed if nothing is done...
* the other RFDer will get screwed when the police intervene

Great read for this weekend.

[flavp5]

I wish i had a giftcard with a balance on it that had actually been activated.

I dont understand why Felix hasnt checked his card balance yet, Remember the one i have does not have a zero balance, it has never been activated

[kingofgamblers]

i too, will be writing a letter including my feedbacks.

Dude, just call Futureshop customer support. You have the receipt with all the info now...this is the easiest thing to do.

If you so happen to confirm that the card does have a balance of $350...send the card number to a mod. Flav can also send his gift card # to the mod.

The mod can confirm everything. Use the mod as a mediator.

[canadiankorean]

Dude, just call Futureshop customer support. You have the receipt with all the info now...this is the easiest thing to do.

If you so happen to confirm that the card does have a balance of $350...send the card number to a mod. Flav can also send his gift card # to the mod.

The mod can confirm everything. Use the mod as a mediator.

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!

[flavp5]

I really hope the authorities can straighten this out

I'm willing to co-operate with anyone involved.

Is there a Mod that can intervene here and get our card numbers and info
Or will the authorities i have contacted take this over?

[prock]

this just seems really fishy, and really stupid to argue, either a) the dude sent out a card he just took off the shelf and told the cashier he'd fill it up later or just took it off the shelf if he couldn't...i think you can take them if you smile a bit, so he'd think the other person would get it, not verify it for a while, while he gets the laptop or

b) the other got the card, now is getting second thoughts or arguing and stirring up the pot for some reason or other because he got the card, and is took an unactivated card off the shelf...

either way, one person is fullout lying, and no one knows who's telling the truth until his receipt and/or the gift card are confirmed...this is useless, and one person is full of sh it

[Smoked]

as I have sent out email to all the services, that he sent to. I too will be waiting for a reply.

[heimdal]

Wow.

I think this is the most publicized scam thread EVER. A lot of people are tuning in.

[7jaii]

I really hope the authorities can straighten this out

I'm willing to co-operate with anyone involved.

Is there a Mod that can intervene here and get our card numbers and info
Or will the authorities i have contacted take this over?

Alright, I'm going to say this agin. Contact a MOD. I provided that link for both of you. Send your contact info & transaction info.

Truthfully, local authorities won't be interested unless RFDers lend a hand and confirm everyone's ID and investigate the evidence provided. This IS a serious accusation/crime. Authorities & Canada Post has strict guidelines on investigating fraud. RFD MODs will cooperate and shut down any illegal activity just like that Cara Food GC scam 2 years ago. Police put cuffs on a RFDer back then, I'd like to see police put cuffs on flavp5 or Smoked.

[flavp5]

I contacted A mod earlier (Headhunter) but didn't get a reply yet, Should i email all them ?
I would like a mediator at this point as well as we aren't getting anywhere as it stands now and I want to see action.

[awestruck]

Well, it's Friday night and the weekend is coming up. When it comes to these types of problems, don't expect them to be resolved in 24 hours, especially during the weekend.

[flavp5]

Understandable, It is late, Its just hard to think i'm possibly gonna be out my laptop and shipping and that Someone would lie this much to gain so little.

I understand that right now people dont know who to believe, but as I said im willing to help in any way i can to see justice is served, I am the one who tryed to resolve this first with Smoke, Then I was first to contact the police,rcmp etc,
I can provide scans, emails , tracking #'s , receipts, for my laptop, I can provide scans of the card i received with nothing on it, it will be up to a outside source such as the police to confirm I never used a $350.xx giftcard at Futureshop locally or online.

I hope we Can get this resolved and The truth comes out in white and black for all to see. And I appreciate all the help and advice from all the RFD'ers

[neondawg]

simple solution ...

smoked, you say you have the receipt CORRECT??? so then all YOU need to do is PM flavp5 with the card number so that he can verify that the number holds the value of $350.51.

he can easily go in with that number and just have them pull it up. if it's not the card you sent him and for some strange reason you still have it and accidentally sent him one that was old and was for some STRANGE reason lying around your room waiting to be activated then just send him the damn card !!!

i'm sorry, but the whole thing rests with smoked and for some reason he just doesn't want to co-operate with things and PM the card number to flavp5.

dude, stop stalling and do the right thing. it's making you look like a scamming idiot when you repeat BS and waste time. if you are so sure of it having a damn balance then for god's sake just PM him the damn card number !!!!!

if this was me dude and there wasn't this distance like there is between you and flavp5 i would be over to your place PRONTO and adding 5 more inches to your height. nothing worse than someone that stalls and won't co-operate.

either way dude ... this has seriously hurt you for doing any deals on here and if then only in person transactions. cause the next guy that wants to deal with you after reading about this one has seriously got to be stupid or just loves drama.

flavp5, you can stop the laptop from being delivered. you call the postal outlet you shipped it from or canada posts head office and request a return to sender. they will stop it at the hub near smoked's location and either hold it or just put it back in rotation as return to sender. i've had to do that 2 times with ebay dealings because the person tried to do a scam.

but you have to be insistant and tell them you have involved the local and rcmp on the matter and that you are requesting a stop delivery.

[gilead]

Not sure who's going to win here but it probably would have been easier walking out of FutureShop with a 60" TV.

[7jaii]

I contacted A mod earlier (Headhunter) but didn't get a reply yet, Should i email all them ?
I would like a mediator at this point as well as we aren't getting anywhere as it stands now and I want to see action.

No need to email. PM works fine.

In your send box, there's a box to add receipient names. RFD allows you to type in 5 names for 1 message so writing 1 PM will reach 5 MODs. Once this investigation starts to pickup then we're closer to the truth/refund. Headhunter is very trustworthy.

[jan27299]

Smoked,

If you did indeed find the receipt with the GC number on.
Why not go to futureshop.ca and check the balance then post the balance without showing the numbers on the post and the receipt with the $49.49 spent and just blank out the numbers too.

If it shows zero balance left get futureshop to audit the card and email/mail you a copy of the transactions that will prove where the money were spent.

Either way one of you will be in trouble.

Whoever got scammed someone will pay in the end.

[Smoked]

simple solution ...

smoked, you say you have the receipt CORRECT??? so then all YOU need to do is PM flavp5 with the card number so that he can verify that the number holds the value of $350.51.

he can easily go in with that number and just have them pull it up. if it's not the card you sent him and for some strange reason you still have it and accidentally sent him one that was old and was for some STRANGE reason lying around your room waiting to be activated then just send him the damn card !!!

i'm sorry, but the whole thing rests with smoked and for some reason he just doesn't want to co-operate with things and PM the card number to flavp5.

dude, stop stalling and do the right thing. it's making you look like a scamming idiot when you repeat BS and waste time. if you are so sure of it having a damn balance then for god's sake just PM him the damn card number !!!!!

if this was me dude and there wasn't this distance like there is between you and flavp5 i would be over to your place PRONTO and adding 5 more inches to your height. nothing worse than someone that stalls and won't co-operate.

either way dude ... this has seriously hurt you for doing any deals on here and if then only in person transactions. cause the next guy that wants to deal with you after reading about this one has seriously got to be stupid or just loves drama.

flavp5, you can stop the laptop from being delivered. you call the postal outlet you shipped it from or canada posts head office and request a return to sender. they will stop it at the hub near smoked's location and either hold it or just put it back in rotation as return to sender. i've had to do that 2 times with ebay dealings because the person tried to do a scam.

but you have to be insistant and tell them you have involved the local and rcmp on the matter and that you are requesting a stop delivery.

dont worry, i have faith in the mods...

i think he stopped it already

https://em.canadapost.ca/emo/basicPin.do?trackingId=9272091822735001&trackingCode=PIN&action=query&language=en&scloc=segment

express is supposed to be 1-2 days... april 8th was wednesday, so i am supposed to recieve my shipment today, but nothing i seen in my mail box yet.

[canadiankorean]

Smoked,

If you did indeed find the receipt with the GC number on.
Why not go to futureshop.ca and check the balance then post the balance without showing the numbers on the post and the receipt with the $49.49 spent and just blank out the numbers too.

If it shows zero balance left get futureshop to audit the card and email/mail you a copy of the transactions that will prove where the money were spent.

Either way one of you will be in trouble.

Whoever got scammed someone will pay in the end.

He's going to say the receipt he found is not the one..
He's going to say.. he can't find it and probably threw it away.

His story reeks of lies.
First the giftcard was a gift... to prove he has no receipt.
Then he says, he bought something to bring down the price to $350.51.
Then he says he bought the item too long ago to have the receipt..
Then he magically finds the receipt thinking it will make him look like the good guy..

In the other thread with CMB.. he says he needs money.. but instead of selling or returning brand new video cards (probably for more money) he trades it for 1 card and a little extra cash..
If the video cards were BNIB, it must be a recent purchase.. so why does he need money?.. he just bought 2 BNIB video cards...
A photo of those 2 are asked for and he surprisingly doesn't have any type of photo capturing device.. I think all cell phones have a camera now, digicams are pretty cheap but he cannot get a photo of these 2 cards.
...

..

[Smoked]

He's going to say the receipt he found is not the one..
He's going to say.. he can't find it and probably threw it away.

His story reeks of lies.
First the giftcard was a gift... to prove he has no receipt.
Then he says, he bought something to bring down the price to $350.51.
Then he says he bought the item too long ago to have the receipt..
Then he magically finds the receipt thinking it will make him look like the good guy..

In the other thread with CMB.. he says he needs money.. but instead of selling or returning brand new video cards (probably for more money) he trades it for 1 card and a little extra cash..
If the video cards were BNIB, it must be a recent purchase.. so why does he need money?.. he just bought 2 BNIB video cards...
A photo of those 2 are asked for and he surprisingly doesn't have any type of photo capturing device.. I think all cell phones have a camera now, digicams are pretty cheap but he cannot get a photo of these 2 cards.
...

..

where are your proofs? if your gonna say something random back it up.

[7jaii]

i think he stopped it already

https://em.canadapost.ca/emo/basicPin.do?trackingId=9272091822735001&trackingCode=PIN&action=query&language=en&scloc=segment

express is supposed to be 1-2 days... april 8th was wednesday, so i am supposed to recieve my shipment today, but nothing i seen in my mail box yet.

It doesn't matter if it's reached your mailbox. You still have to prove you sent $350. Why are you always surrounded by drama? I would worry and clear my name before the police and Canada Post reviews everyone's info...

for example: 12x Clarian Cres, Markham

--> and wouldn't a normal person who pre-paid feel PISSED if his laptop was returned to sender? You're out $350 right?

[canadiankorean]

dont worry, i have faith in the mods...

i think he stopped it already

https://em.canadapost.ca/emo/basicPin.do?trackingId=9272091822735001&trackingCode=PIN&action=query&language=en&scloc=segment

express is supposed to be 1-2 days... april 8th was wednesday, so i am supposed to recieve my shipment today, but nothing i seen in my mail box yet.

Xpresspost doesn't mean 1-2 days always. I think in your case it is 3 business days.

=Item Number: 9272091822735001
Product Type: Xpresspost
Service Standard Delivery Date: 2008/04/14

[Smoked]

It doesn't matter if it's reached your mailbox. You still have to prove you sent $350. Why are you always surrounded by drama? I would worry and clear my name before the police and Canada Post reviews everyone's info...

for example: 12x Clarian Cres, Markham

i seriously dont know... all i know i know is i am do any deals that require shipping ever again once this is sorted out.

[jan27299]

if you have ever mailed anything you will know canadapost is notorious for their slow updates.

I have had a package shipped to me and i did not see it state it is already in BC until I received the package then it showed in the richmond sortation plant. lol

[flavp5]

Smoke why are you sidestepping the issue , you have the receipts you said, Fix the problem!

you are acting like you did nothing wrong here, if you notice on the tracking it says Monday April 14th for delivery for the laptop, I can't help that.

You are acting like big deal nothing is going to become of this, You do realize that you have committed mail fraud here correct?

*sigh*

[Smoked]

Xpresspost doesn't mean 1-2 days always. I think in your case it is 3 business days.

=Item Number: 9272091822735001
Product Type: Xpresspost
Service Standard Delivery Date: 2008/04/14

ya dude, how come i sent out the card a day after him and he gets it before i do? i am so confused in this whole shipping thing >:(

[7jaii]

ya dude, how come i sent out the card a day after him and he gets it before i do? i am so confused in this whole shipping thing >:(

A rational person would be concerned with far serious matters than how mail is sorted and delivered across country. In this case you should worry that your laptop may not arrive and you're out $350. Instead, you're making funny jokes and sidestepping the main issue. $350GC

[Smoked]

Smoke why are you sidestepping the issue , you have the receipts you said, Fix the problem!

you are acting like you did nothing wrong here, if you notice on the tracking it says Monday April 14th for delivery for the laptop, I can't help that.

You are acting like big deal nothing is going to become of this, You do realize that you have committed mail fraud here correct?

*sigh*

the day you give the code the date said april 10... its saturday already and today is 12th. lets say tuesday you dropped it off. wednesday morning they pick it up, they would have 3 solid buisness day to ship it...

gotta love canadapost :cry:

[flavp5]

Shouldnt you be more concerned about getting the card number off your receipt and checking it with futureshop to see if you gave me the wrong card?

OMG I honestly can't believe this guy, I'm floored here, I really am , Count your blessings that i'm not living In Markham Dude, Thats all i got to say.

I'm gone to bed hopefully a mod has emailed me in the AM.

[Smoked]

A rational person would be concerned with far serious matters than how mail is sorted and delivered across country. In this case you should worry that your laptop may not arrive and you're out $350. Instead, you're making funny jokes and sidestepping the main issue. $350GC

how did i make a joke?

I gave out 350 for this laptop, I shouldn't worry?

[canadiankorean]

the day you give the code the date said april 10... its saturday already and today is 12th. lets say tuesday you dropped it off. wednesday morning they pick it up, they would have 3 solid buisness day to ship it...

gotta love canadapost :cry:

Business days does not include sat or sunday..
so if it was shipped on the 9th morning..
it goes on the plane that night which is unlikely from a small place like newfoundland..
so 10th is when it actually ships.
then canadapost is right in saying apr 14th as the delivery date.

[Smoked]

Shouldnt you be more concerned about getting the card number off your receipt and checking it with futureshop to see if you gave me the wrong card?

OMG I honestly can't believe this guy, I'm floored here, I really am , Count your blessings that i'm not living In Markham Dude, Thats all i got to say.

I'm gone to bed hopefully a mod has emailed me in the AM.

i will go check again for the 3rd time tomorrow with my other gift cards.

[canadiankorean]

how did i make a joke?

I gave out 350 for this laptop, I shouldn't worry?

so smoked do you have the receipt?
and did you call futureshop to verify the amount on that card?

[Smoked]

Business days does not include sat or sunday..
so if it was shipped on the 9th morning..
it goes on the plane that night which is unlikely from a small place like newfoundland..
so 10th is when it actually ships.
then canadapost is right in saying apr 14th as the delivery date.

i really didnt say anything about saturday being a buisness day. i was try to say.
if canada post pick it up wednesday morning, they should have . . . the rest of the wednesday, full thurday and full friday to get here.

Edit:
as there is no replies in like 5 minutes and the OP is sleeping. i will too. I will catch up with everyone after school tomorrow

[jan27299]

how did i make a joke?

I gave out 350 for this laptop, I shouldn't worry?

Seriously dude!
what the F***k is wrong with you.
You say what sidestepping when you are completely trying to push the issue about the shipping that does not matter.

Like i said check the balance online and post it here to clear yur name:
I will even give you the link: https://www-ssl.futureshop.ca/popup/giftcardbalancepopup.asp?logon=&langid=EN

The way it looks you are at fault 95% on this deal.

[flavp5]

I think its pretty obvious by now that there is no $350.xx gift card. If i had a receipt the first thing i would have done is check the balance.

*still waiting for you to check your receipt online*

[FlintBlade]

Honestly, with each reply this kid makes, it edges me closer too believing that he's ***** , or just plain stupid.

- He did not cancel the shipment as it would show up on the tracking number by now.
- Just because he received the Gift Card, that doesn't mean you should have gotten the laptop.
- The standard delivery date estimation is the 14th, that's why you have not gotten it yet.
- Even if you don't get the laptop, you still tried too scam him until you can prove the GC was legit
- If you can't prove the GC was legit, than you did try to scam him and you need too be banned this very instance.

Smoked, prove the GC was legit, otherwise the mods should take evasive action and rid you of these boards. You don't seem to learn at all, and you're either being willfully-dense or you're just dumb. Either way, it's safe too say that everyone has had enough of your crap for one day. Just PROVE the card is legit. If you can't, then hopefully flav can get his laptop back and the mods should ban you.

I still don't know why you're trying to call him a scammer because you haven't received the laptop yet. That doesn't matter anymore, the mere fact is you sent him a fake GC card. So you are the one that is scamming someone here. Also, the laptop has an estimated arrival date of the 14th and it's only the 12th. So it's obvious that you won't receive it until Monday. What you need to worry about is how you can resolve this before you receive the laptop. You need to get him the $350 or have the laptop mailed back once you get it.

Case closed.

[jan27299]

I think its pretty obvious by now that there is no $350.xx gift card. If i had a receipt the first thing i would have done is check the balance.

*still waiting for you to check your receipt online*

I totally agree with you.
I just wish someone will post his pic when the rcmp cuffs him off.

[don_lee103]

I think its pretty obvious by now that there is no $350.xx gift card. If i had a receipt the first thing i would have done is check the balance.

*still waiting for you to check your receipt online*

flavp5, I think you should go to bed for now because I can already tell he's not going to reply back to your comment. He is prob pretending that he is in bed right now.

[FlintBlade]

flavp5, I think you should go to bed for now because I can already tell he's not going to reply back to your comment. He is prob pretending that he is in bed right now.

He's reading this thread right now lol.

[flavp5]

Yea I'm heading in a few, I have his phone # from a reverse lookup online, After I call Canadapost again the morning, and The RCMP in his region, I almost feel like calling his mother and father, He really isint taking this serious at all.

This is Fraud , plain and simple, Felix, you have had plenty of opportunity to fix this issue and make it right, You can't pass off fake Futureshop giftcards though the Canadapost mail system. It's not gonna go away , This will get resolved the easy way or the hard way.

[Evil Techie]

Ok,

I have just got the PM from flavp5 to check into this thread.
Thanks to 7jaii for offering a neutral perspective in the mean while.
After reading through it, I required the following information through email from the 2 parties.

Flavp5: Please email me the gift card number, along with a picture of the gift card itself with the number clearly visible if possible.

Smoked: Please email me the gift card number as well and a scan of the receipt of the item you purchased with the GC to bring it down to $350.xx as you mentioned.

Both please email to my email address of eviltechie@shaw.ca

For the meantime, please DO NOT post the gift card number publicly here or anywhere.
Only email to me and not to the other party.

We will go from there.

Thank you for your patience.

[FlintBlade]

Yea I'm heading in a few, I have his phone # from a reverse lookup online, After I call Canadapost again the morning, and The RCMP in his region, I almost feel like calling his mother and father, He really isint taking this serious at all.

This is Fraud , plain and simple, Felix, you have had plenty of opportunity to fix this issue and make it right, You can't pass off fake Futureshop giftcards though the Canadapost mail system. It's not gonna go away , This will get resolved the easy way or the hard way.

You should be able to cancel the shipment. Just call up canadapost and say you put the wrong address on it or something. Try everything you can to have it mailed back too you.

Lol, now smoked isn't even viewing the thread anymore!!

[flavp5]

Thanks eviltechie, I'll send you some pics in a few mins check your email.

[help_questions]

You should be able to cancel the shipment. Just call up canadapost and say you put the wrong address on it or something. Try everything you can to have it mailed back too you.

Lol, now smoked isn't even viewing the thread anymore!!

that was a long 8 pages......

[jwei]

this thread is so crazy that I had to post once:cheesygri

after reading all the pages i'm still not sure whose telling the truth...
i guess time will tell

[jan27299]

You should be able to cancel the shipment. Just call up canadapost and say you put the wrong address on it or something. Try everything you can to have it mailed back too you.

Lol, now smoked isn't even viewing the thread anymore!!

Ha Ha!
As soon as a mod intervenes he vanishes

[Evil Techie]

maybe it is best that everyone refrain from cluttering up the thread unless they have certain information they wish to add

in which case, please send me an email at eviltechie@shaw.ca if it is for information regarding this situation

[Evil Techie]

I have received your email, Flavp5.

I will now wait for Smoked's email to continue the investigation.
In the mean time, it would be wise to continue your communication with the police.
Also I recommend keeping your communication with Smoked either on here or in a medium where everything goes on the records.
ie, with presences of police or on here but it would still be best to wait until I receive his email with the requested information.

[flavp5]

Sounds good I'll wait to see what he emails you and we can take it from there, I'm still going to be contacting the Police to file a report tomorrow as well. as mentioned i already filed a report online and spoke with the RCMP as well.

[jan27299]

Sounds good I'll wait to see what he emails you and we can take it from there, I'm still going to be contacting the Police to file a report tomorrow as well. as mentioned i already filed a report online and spoke with the RCMP as well.

Good Luck!

[BrianJai]

well i dont wanna be a prick about this but... i dealt with smoked before and i always wanted to ask for his number and everythin so when we meet up it wil be easier... even though we met up around his area it took days for him to set up the deal, i dont get why he wouldnt give me his number? he seemed like he was being so secretive about something lol . but hes jus a kid around 16 ? lol

[HBP]

Just call his parents, or I'll go to his HS and tell his principal.

[flavp5]

a reverse lookup easily reveals his phone number. and confirmed the address I shipped my laptop to and the one he sent the bogus giftcard from.

[HBP]

You should seriously call his parents tomorrow. Just don't accuse them, tell them what their stupid kid did.

And yes, Smoked, you're stupid. Good thing I wasn't like you at your age.

[heymanwuzup]

man, i think there should be a standard for trades that involve GC (like meet up in store to check for balance or something.)

Too bad it's the end of the 9 pages now. off to be. God bless you, the one who's telling the truth. :D

[darkprince]

@ Smoked

Just fix it. B4 some of us decide to pay you a visit.

Oh good NSX is reading :lol:


It doesn't matter if it's reached your mailbox. You still have to prove you sent $350. Why are you always surrounded by drama? I would worry and clear my name before the police and Canada Post reviews everyone's info...

for example: 12x Clarian Cres, Markham

--> and wouldn't a normal person who pre-paid feel PISSED if his laptop was returned to sender? You're out $350 right?

[Rocko]

Goodness, this is just like Smoked's other thread accusing someone else of scamming. Each and every reply that spews out of your ***** doesn't help the situation. Stop being foolish and provide some evidence/information. Don't blame Canadapost, if the delivery date says 04/14/08 it will either be that day, or later.


i do not have the number of the giftcard i sent, however i have the reciepts now which i will file to any mod that is "in charge"

Well then you have the # of the GC card that you used on that receipt, and a remaining balance. PM Evil Techie that fricken number before you utter any other words on this thread.

Let's get it solved! At best we could have a really confusing situation that turned into a c l u s t e r f u c k (lol dane cook), or we have one real good liar and drama writer! Next time on RFD: truth or scam?

[jeewaka]

Why don't you post here the scammers address and if i recover the items for you from his address, i will give it you plus what ever else he will be giving me when some folks visit him.

[canadiankorean]

there must be some law enforcement RFDers.
it would be great if they can help out.

[hellinar]

I agree that Smoked's replies are annoying in a sense that his incoherent ramblings do not address the issue, but for those saying: "You're lucky I'm not in Markham" or other hints of assaulting, or "reclaiming" items, most coming from a third-party, good job. FOR GREAT JUSTICE amirite?...Getting charged with assault and possibly theft is sure going to teach him a lesson.

Plus, he's innocent until proven guilty.

[ben_liu]

can't wait to see the ending. good read on a friday night... i am A LOZER

[mcg]

Well, from reading all these pages... Smoked, you still have one better way out of this and that's to provide legitimate proof of the GC.

Or, if you intentionally scammed, best to admit it and compensate.

The penalties involved for being caught and denying it when the situation is obviously in the victim's favour aren't pleasant. When you are a working man (or if you already are), and look back at this, you're going to laugh at yourself for trying to scam someone out of a piece of junk worth $350 (lol sorry flavp5).

[CMB.]

Cant say i didnt see this coming sooner or later from this scammer (Smoked)

[flavp5]

Still waiting for Smoke to check his receipt gift card balance online *sigh*

Its pretty obvious to everyone by now there is no gift card. never was, As if there was, this issue would have been resolved long ago.

Have you sent the mod the info yet?

[fastlayne]

Wakey, wakey, Smoked.

Today is your lucky day. Walmart has the 10L jug of Vaseline on sale. I'm sure you can have it delivered to the holding cell of your choice.

Wow, you are going to have fun!

[Evil Techie]

everyone needs to stop threatening him now!

leave this to the authorities please

i am still waiting for his email

thanks for your patience, flavp5

[edgedamage]

everyone needs to stop threatening him now!

leave this to the authorities please

i am still waiting for his email

thanks for your patience, flavp5
Let's just protect the scammer.

[flavp5]

Yea , I appreciate the comments guys, but let him have his final chance to send the info and correct the problem here.

I'm highly doubtful this will be resolved by him So Its a waiting game on the authorities now

[Smoked]

email sent with all the info i have.

[jan27299]

Smoked is online reading this thread now.
let's see how it goes.

[Smoked]

everyone needs to stop threatening him now!

leave this to the authorities please

i am still waiting for his email

thanks for your patience, flavp5

thank you for protecting me, everyone already thinks i am the scammer, but as this goes on, everyone will know the truth.


a reverse lookup easily reveals his phone number. and confirmed the address I shipped my laptop to and the one he sent the bogus giftcard from.

yet, you call me a scammer and your laptop never even left the NL yet? what is this?


Why don't you post here the scammers address and if i recover the items for you from his address, i will give it you plus what ever else he will be giving me when some folks visit him.

read above THE SHIPMENT HASNT EVEN LEFT NEWFOUNDLAND YET.


well i dont wanna be a prick about this but... i dealt with smoked before and i always wanted to ask for his number and everythin so when we meet up it wil be easier... even though we met up around his area it took days for him to set up the deal, i dont get why he wouldnt give me his number? he seemed like he was being so secretive about something lol . but hes jus a kid around 16 ? lol

LOL? Dude if i was a kid, why was i more bigger and taller than you? What are you? 12? I gave you my number later the deal. You talk alot of a man that cant keep your own words.

[Evil Techie]

Smoked, you need to understand that the laptop has been shipped and the expected delivery date is already shown on the page so flavp5 is not the scammer.

Also please do email me with the necessary information as you did not do so in the email you sent to me. Sending me your trader feedback does not help you in this case at all as the onus is on you and I do not consider previous transactions any precedence in this specific situation.

[Smoked]

Smoked, you need to understand that the laptop has been shipped and the expected delivery date is already shown on the page so flavp5 is not the scammer.

Also please do email me with the necessary information as you did not do so in the email you sent to me. Sending me your trader feedback does not help you in this case at all as the onus is on you and I do not consider previous transactions any precedence in this specific situation.

the page also said also i would recieve the laptop on the 11th, then it changed the 14th because someone dropped it off late.

[mcg]

Guy,

I don't know if you have problems comprehending, but all that is being asked is proof of the GC value. As Evil Techie pointed out you didn't send this information to him, and your blabbering about the laptop shipment is totally irrelevant to the situation at hand.

Right now, I am inclined to believe that you are are the one guilty. Sorry to say that, but I do hope you have read my post beforehand and consider the few options you have now.

[Evil Techie]

2008/04/10 19:12 ST JOHN'S, NL Item processed at postal facility

It doesnt mean he dropped it off on 10th

anyways, stop wasting your time replying on here and send me the previously requested information via email please

[flavp5]

Can you believe this guy
He needs to be banned and Theres no way he can prove he sent the right gift card as I can tell you 110% he never.

What the hell does feedback matter? you wouldnt know i had -10 feedback or something.

Send The mod the right info and it gets resolved if not we go to the next step.
We know your address, The police knows your address, Give up the charade , I'm losing my patience

[mcg]

I think his ban is going to be quite imminent, considering how this thread is progressing.

[Smoked]

Can you believe this guy
He needs to be banned and Theres no way he can prove he sent the right gift card as I can tell you 110% he never.

What the hell does feedback matter? you wouldnt know i had -10 feedback or something.

Send The mod the right info and it gets resolved if not we go to the next step.
We know your address, The police knows your address, Give up the charade , I'm losing my patience

if you send me back the gc with the funds i will consider sending you the laptop back.

I have reloaded the picture and sent it back to evil

[flavp5]

Omg, DUDE there is no money on the giftcard, its not activated, you can gladly have that back, this is the whole point of this thread.

Your in a lot of trouble as is, I'll let the mod decide the outcome on here and the police decide in real life.

[Smoked]

Omg, DUDE there is no money on the giftcard, its not activated, you can gladly have that back, this is the whole point of this thread.

Your in a lot of trouble as is, I'll let the mod decide the outcome on here and the police decide in real life.

so be it then.

[jcoltage]

so be it then.

Dude just send the god dam info to Evil Techie - he is like Switzerland here and you are not listening .... Don't mess up your reputation on this site - Your name - Your address - YOur Creditability is at state - Let me explain this - when you try and get a job - Companies use Google to Look up your name and unless you got a really Common Name they will find you and not hire up.

Just send your receipt to him via email and then wait for a verdict.

[Evil Techie]

if you are still not going to send me any evidences that says the gift-card has $350.xx on it as I have requested 4 times already, you will be gone from this forum permanently and the authorities will pursue this matter further.

RFD will let the law to deal with you.

[coors]

so be it then.

Well once your proven wrong and the OPP get in on this, you'll be in the -$5000 because of all the police fee's.

You are so better off telling the HONEST TRUTH right now, give him back his computer once it arrives and admit you did wrong.
Way better than getting a $5000 bill from the fee the Police will give you for filling your ***** , not including giving you a criminal record that will make it hard for you to find a job.
+ Think about your parents and what they'll will have to go through.

Give it up, or be a moron and keep this up, either way you will lose. Better to loose like a man than to loose like a ***** + a criminal record + $5000 in OPP fee's.

[Smoked]

Dude just send the god dam info to Evil Techie - he is like Switzerland here and you are not listening .... Don't mess up your reputation on this site - Your name - Your address - YOur Creditability is at state - Let me explain this - when you try and get a job - Companies use Google to Look up your name and unless you got a really Common Name they will find you and not hire up.

Just send your receipt to him via email and then wait for a verdict.

thank you for your tip, but i didnt take a picture of the card before i shipped it. that was my fault.

[Smoked]

Well once your proven wrong and the OPP get in on this, you'll be in the -$5000 because of all the police fee's.

You are so better off telling the HONEST TRUTH right now, give him back his computer once it arrives and admit you did wrong.
Way better than getting a $5000 bill from the fee the Police will give you for filling your ***** , not including giving you a criminal record that will make it hard for you to find a job.
+ Think about your parents and what they'll will have to go through.

Give it up, or be a moron and keep this up, either way you will lose. Better to loose like a man than to loose like a ***** plus a criminal record + $5000 in OPP fee's.

if i get my card back, i will ship his laptop back.

[hellinar]

if you send me back the gc with the funds i will consider sending you the laptop back.

I have reloaded the picture and sent it back to evil

Consider returning his laptop? The validity of the gift card you sent is in question, and you cannot seem to address this major issue properly. The fact that you, at this point, are not even willing to consider the possibility that you sent the wrong card, makes your defense much worse.

Many have tried to point out the loopholes to your claims, and I'm also curious to know what purchase you made from Futureshop that charged exactly 49.99, tax free? Instead of addressing them them properly, you ramble on about your past feedback and the shipping. The fact that you try to throw your past feedback around as leverage in this situation, and even in the thread with CMB, sickens me.

Address the issues at hand first. Your arrogance has brought this situation to a point of no return, so for your sake, stop digging a deeper hole for yourself.

[jcoltage]

thank you for your tip, but i didnt take a picture of the card before i shipped it. that was my fault.

But you have a receipt with the numbers on it correct? that is enough - no need to look at it in hindsight taking a photo of a GC ... take a photo of the receipt and clear your name - 350 is not worth it ... look at the guy with the Home Depot GC scam.... he had to spend tons of money repaying people because all his info / families info went out on the net ...

Ok just rethink what you did - could it be possible you send the wrong card? I have done it in the past and fixed the matter ... just double check man cause once again its not worth the hassle.

[Evil Techie]

Alright, after 4 emails from you, you finally said you cannot find the receipt.

No concrete evidences were presented to me to defend your case.

You will now be banned.

flavp5, email me at eviltechie@shaw.ca if you would like my contact information for RCMP and OPP to contact me

[ben_liu]

EDIT- YIKES, Evil_techie pulls the plug!

It's good to see the scammer be gone for good.

[Smoked]

Alright, after 4 emails from you, you finally said you cannot find the receipt.

No concrete evidences were presented to me to defend your case.

You will now be banned.

flavp5, email me at eviltechie@shaw.ca if you would like my contact information for RCMP and OPP to contact me

i sent you a reply and yet you have never answered back yet.

[coors]

if i get my card back, i will ship his laptop back.

You want a piece of plastic that isn't activated?
How dumb are you? You might be young, but the internet is not a protective window for you to hide behind. You WILL get in trouble, You WILL get a criminal record from this you WILL be having trouble getting a job at such dirt farms like McDonalds.

Its over, now lets see if you man up or just become another dumb punk in the Canadian judicial system.

[flavp5]

But you have already commented here you have a receipt, this will have the card # on it

This is obviously a lie as you haven't sent that yet.

If you dont have the receipt someone does, call futueshop? call your relative that gave it to you?
No one would through away a $400 gift card receipt if they did by chance then Futureshop will have this in their records, or if they bought it on credit card they can get it that way.

The ball is in your court to get this resolved.

[hellinar]

he's banned now :(
What an anti-climatic ending, hope it works out for you flavp5

[jcoltage]

Banned - Sad too - he prob. got exams and the cops will now come knocking worst timing

[ben_liu]

It's a shame to see a kid at my age do this kinda thing. I mean, whats going on in their head.

[Evil Techie]

Smoked has provided me with a username of a member whom he has traded with and has the receipt.

I will now contact that member to try to obtain a copy of it.

In the mean while, it would be best for flavp5 and Smoked to remain in contact via email to work out return shipments of the gift-card and the laptop.

[flavp5]

Why didnt we find this out before?? Maybe we are now getting somewhere

[ThinkFast23]

After reading all these pages, I'm happy that flavp5 has found justice.

However, I'm only a highschool student myself and I truly feel sorry Smoked who has to go through this. I would have never guessed you could get arrested for this or criminally charged. He made a really bad mistake, and if he just said he did something stupid and admitted it, things wouldn't have gotten so bad.

A criminal record is serious and my parents would kill me if i ever gotten one. Best luck to Smoked with the authorities, and Best Luck to flavp5 getting compensated for his troubles and his laptop.

[ibanker]

wow i was almost about to deal with this smoked character

good thing i didnt go through with it.... seemed like a shady character

[mcg]

That's how I feel too, I advised him to admit his wrongdoing, but he has really went down the tubes from his decisions.

Especially if he's a student too, it's exam crunch time, and I wouldn't want to be dealing with this especially at this time.

[hellinar]

Based on his posts here, I'm sure he can do pretty well defending himself in court! To further his abilities, he should watch that South Park episode where Cochran uses the "Chewbacca defense":
"Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I am talking about Chewbacca, what does this have to do with the case? It does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests."

[jcoltage]

Based on his posts here, I'm sure he can do pretty well defending himself in court! To further his abilities, he should watch that South Park episode where Cochran uses the "Chewbacca defense":
"Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I am talking about Chewbacca, what does this have to do with the case? It does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests."

Hahaha
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/0330chewbacca.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense

[gilead]

I wouldn't worry about him writing Exams. After reading some of his post I'm sure he hasn't gotten by grade 6 yet.

[a12c]

i hope flavp5 gets what he deserves for going through this long process

[yao416]

Eh, It's pretty crazy, I think hes probably scared shitless right now

So, he claims that the GC has 350.51$ and has spent 49.49(tax'd)

Now let's see,

49.49 x 0.14 = 6.9286

49.49 - 6.9286 = 42.5614$

What kind of FS item cost 42.56$?!? :lol: :lol:

Correct me if I'm wrong, lol

[a12c]

Eh, It's pretty crazy, I think hes probably scared shitless right now
So, he claims that the GC has 350.51$ and has spent 49.49(tax'd)
Now let's see,
49.49 x 0.14 = 6.9286
49.49 - 6.9286 = 42.5614$
What kind of FS item cost 42.56$?!? :lol: :lol:
Correct me if I'm wrong, lol
i didn't read every single page of this thread but did i know he said he used the GC, but did he ever say what he bought?

[yao416]

i didn't read every single page of this thread but did i know he said he used the GC, but did he ever say what he bought?

No, but he claims that he have 350.51 in the GC had 400 before he bought an item off FS, and claims that the item costed 49.49TAX'd

Anyways, flavap5- 1 Smoked- 0 (SMOKED JOOOO SO BAD!)


I really dont think Smoked should be permaban now. Let the things settle than ban him =/

[heymanwuzup]

Eh, It's pretty crazy, I think hes probably scared shitless right now

So, he claims that the GC has 350.51$ and has spent 49.49(tax'd)

Now let's see,

49.49 x 0.14 = 6.9286

49.49 - 6.9286 = 42.5614$

What kind of FS item cost 42.56$?!? :lol: :lol:

Correct me if I'm wrong, lol

mmm, actually if he spent 49.49 with tax, the item he bought (with 14% tax) would be 43.41 approx.
assuming he paid 13% tax for this year, it'd be 43.79. Both price sounds quite fishy.

I think he confessed that he traded the gc from some other RFD members. Really dont understand why he has to lie. He could easily say sorry, send the item back. Man...

[yao416]

mmm, actually if he spent 49.49 with tax, the item he bought (with 14% tax) would be 43.41 approx.
assuming he paid 13% tax for this year, it'd be 43.79. Both price sounds quite fishy.

I think he confessed that he traded the gc from some other RFD members. Really dont understand why he has to lie. He could easily say sorry, send the item back. Man...

lol
yeah even though both price sounds fishy


OFF-TOPIC : now tax is only 0.13? :lol: :lol:

[905kidd]

Eh, It's pretty crazy, I think hes probably scared shitless right now

So, he claims that the GC has 350.51$ and has spent 49.49(tax'd)

Now let's see,

49.49 x 0.14 = 6.9286

49.49 - 6.9286 = 42.5614$

What kind of FS item cost 42.56$?!? :lol: :lol:

Correct me if I'm wrong, lol

lol you can't jus subtract tax like that.. he did purchase something last year if that's correct. so 14% is right but if you put 42.56 * 1.14 it doesnt work out to be 49.49 lol. comes out liek 48 something


edit:

nvm heymanwuzup already calculated it lol

[[buck]]

Wow, I almost made a high value trade with Smoked earlier this week. He definitely seemed slightly fishy; not someone who I was terrible inclined to do business with. I'm glad we didn't come to an agreement :-0

[jcoltage]

Hey its not impossible I got a Best Buy Gift Card with around 250.43 cents ... Started off 300 with some DVD-RW (8) + a bag of chips (1.50) + an alarm clock. (39ish)

[aimfox]

I don't mind knocking Smoked's door for you

[FlintBlade]

Banned - Sad too - he prob. got exams and the cops will now come knocking worst timing

Like that kid goes too school, he must be in remedial/essential classes.

Good luck on your open book exams! study hard!!!!

[a12c]

lol
yeah even though both price sounds fishy

OFF-TOPIC : now tax is only 0.13? :lol: :lol:
yea, tax is 13% now :) but still way too high IMO :mad:

[FlintBlade]

yea, tax is 13% now :) but still way too high IMO :mad:

What do you mean it's too high. Most food and baby products don't have to pay tax on. Bikes only have the GST I believe.

It's not that bad, and could be much higher!

I wouldn't mind having 8% of total tax though lol

[a12c]

What do you mean it's too high. Most food and baby products don't have to pay tax on. Bikes only have the GST I believe.
It's not that bad, and could be much higher!
I wouldn't mind having 8% of total tax though lol
Well I'm talking about the things we do have to pay taxes on. I agree it could be worse but 13% is quite high >:(

[goonx126]

No! 13% is not enough.

don't you people realize where the money is coming from: healthcare and education.

the 2% we get back comes from the money they take away from those government services.

People complain about having crappy healthcare and bad eduation systems. People also complain about the taxes being high. Can't have both.

Low tax rates benefit the rich. Most of the nation just simply don't have enough money to gain any "super" benefits from the cuts but the rich does. Rich people don't need more money. Students need more money for better education and the ill needs more money to help them. I rather have 15% or higher tax rate than a lower tax rate and crappy government funding. If the govt keeps lowering taxes, we'll end up like the USA.

[BYan]

No! 13% is not enough.

don't you people realize where the money is coming from: healthcare and education.

the 2% we get back comes from the money they take away from those government services.

People complain about having crappy healthcare and bad eduation systems. People also complain about the taxes being high. Can't have both.

Low tax rates benefit the rich. Most of the nation just simply don't have enough money to gain any "super" benefits from the cuts but the rich does. Rich people don't need more money. Students need more money for better education and the ill needs more money to help them. I rather have 15% or higher tax rate than a lower tax rate and crappy government funding. If the govt keeps lowering taxes, we'll end up like the USA.

What this dude says...

Call me crazy, but eventhough I'm young, relatively well off (well, comparatively anyway) and at the peak of my health, it's nice knowing that those who are in need won't get turned away at the hospital when they need it. Some things are privileges that you earn, some are services that you need. Health care and education, imo, are essential factors of life that everybody should be given a fair and even treatment, regardless of how much you earn.

Not everybody owns a ferrari, and that's the way it should be. But nobody should have to starve to see a doctor.

On topic:

Feel for ya OP. Let us know if you get your laptop back. Any luck getting the post office to stop the package before it gets there? I'm in Markham, so if there's anything I can do - maybe if you need somebody to pick it up once it gets into a holding plant or something and send it back, I can help you out.

Cheerio.

[ben_liu]

So many good RFDers!

[flavp5]

Yeah I really do appreciate all the comments and help guys, I'm waiting to hear back from the Mod to see if this "other person" has a receipt or something, even though im not holding much hope.

I would already be over to Smoked home if i was in Markham believe me, And if this is not resolved by Sunday night I'm going to call his parents to inform them as well, At least they wont be shocked when the Police call on Monday. Maybe they can talk to some sense into him.

[navyseals]

Yeah I really do appreciate all the comments and help guys, I'm waiting to hear back from the Mod to see if this "other person" has a receipt or something, even though im not holding much hope.

I would already be over to Smoked home if i was in Markham believe me, And if this is not resolved by Sunday night I'm going to call his parents to inform them as well, At least they wont be shocked when the Police call on Monday. Maybe they can talk to some sense into him.

I'm five mins from markham:D

[CMB.]

Im glad justice (as far as Forum Justice) has been served.

I wish the best to the OP to get his laptop back. :!:

[yao416]

Yeah I really do appreciate all the comments and help guys, I'm waiting to hear back from the Mod to see if this "other person" has a receipt or something, even though im not holding much hope.

I would already be over to Smoked home if i was in Markham believe me, And if this is not resolved by Sunday night I'm going to call his parents to inform them as well, At least they wont be shocked when the Police call on Monday. Maybe they can talk to some sense into him.

Belt whipping time!!! :twisted:

[Heavyc]

Flavp5 I really hope you get your laptop back, indeed you got screwed by this guy.

On a slightly off note, this thread has been a source of amusement for me, mostly due to the *chewbacca defense* style. Some people believe their own delusions I guess.

EDIT: This is why I haven't done a deal on RFD over $200, Im freaked Im gonna get screwed.

[heymanwuzup]

nothing scarier than Chinese parents and their feather dusters! (if you know what i am trying to say)

i am sure you can get your laptop back...chinese parents are also protective of their kids! and nothing that money cannot solve right?

i am chinese myself and i am sure if i have done a few stupid things (nothing like this though!) , my parents will help me, whipped me quite a bit as well!

[BUNJI]

This happened to me before too, similar situation. I informed the Police and they said they couldn't help me because i shipped my package to the U.S.A, so then i took the law into my own hands, (which is what you should do).

[ultimate_rugal]

EDIT: This is why I haven't done a deal on RFD over $200, Im freaked Im gonna get screwed.

It doesn't make sense, i have done $20000+ worth buysell in RFD alone without any difficulties. problem arises with shipping but i don't do that......

[yao416]

This happened to me before too, similar situation. I informed the Police and they said they couldn't help me because i shipped my package to the U.S.A, so then i took the law into my own hands, (which is what you should do).[/

What does this means? :?:

[Heavyc]

It doesn't make sense, i have done $20000+ worth buysell in RFD alone without any difficulties. problem arises with shipping but i don't do that......

Thats fine and good if you don't live in BF Nowhere (like I do). I've only ever seen 1 other seller thread from my hometown, and his price was out to lunch on a 1.5yr old laptop. While shipping is my only option, I have good refs and patience.

[jcoltage]

What does this means? :?:

I think he will use his charter of rights and not answer;)


Section Thirteen of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is a section of the Charter which, along with section 11 (c), specifies rights regarding self-incrimination.

It reads:
“ 13. A witness who testifies in any proceedings has the right not to have any incriminating evidence so given used to incriminate that witness in any other proceedings, except in a prosecution for perjury or for the giving of contradictory evidence. ”

or since it is a cross border issue

he will plead the Fifth Amendment

[aimfox]

I think he will use his charter of rights and not answer;)



or since it is a cross border issue

he will plead the Fifth Amendment

Interesting, did you take law during High School? :razz:

[heymanwuzup]

i am wondering how much trouble Smoked can really get into.

he is probably under 18 or 19, so he probably wont be tried in court like an adult (i am not so familiar with the real terms, hope you guys know what i am saying)

and both people agreed to sent stuff to each other, but there's no contract, is that really valid?

i dunno, i hope he learned his lesson, and not do something this stupid once. we are all young (once) and we will do stupid things one time or another...

[yao416]

i am wondering how much trouble Smoked can really get into.

he is probably under 18 or 19, so he probably wont be tried in court like an adult (i am not so familiar with the real terms, hope you guys know what i am saying)

and both people agreed to sent stuff to each other, but there's no contract, is that really valid?

i dunno, i hope he learned his lesson, and not do something this stupid once. we are all young (once) and we will do stupid things one time or another...


Trial as an adult?

[dairyboi]

nothing scarier than Chinese parents and their feather dusters! (if you know what i am trying to say)

i am sure you can get your laptop back...chinese parents are also protective of their kids! and nothing that money cannot solve right?

i am chinese myself and i am sure if i have done a few stupid things (nothing like this though!) , my parents will help me, whipped me quite a bit as well!

LMFAO +1+1+1

but ya it's good to see this finally resolved (not completely, but nonetheless ended on the good side) - reading almost 14 pages of repetition was really annoying

[yhap2003]

here is something you can do, only if the police would do it for you.

Have CanadaPost deliver the item, and since you have a tracking number and destination address, have the police follow the delivery guy and *bam* whoever is signing for the package will be held in police custody. If smoke knows that you're doing this and no one claim the package, it will be returned to you. But just have the police track the package.

It's a shame to see him get banned, yet I say revenge is never a good thing to do. Just because he got scammed, it doesn't mean he should scam others. He has ruined his reputation on RFD. *shame shame shame* I had the chance to deal with him before but he keeps lowballing me so we never finished any deal. Which is a good thing for me.

Anyways, I hope you get your laptop back.

[jcoltage]

See if I was in Smoke shoe's - I would if the laptop arrives sign for it and hold on to it until things settle - leave it in the package sealed - if the police show up and he sticks to his story about send the GC full of cash - he should not open the package cause it will also support his case and not be charged with fraud + theif.

I think he is under a lot of stress and I don't expect someone after 15 transactions start "breaking bad" - maybe he is a little confused and needs to think things thru and find that receipt

I give it 3 days till I change my mind.



May I ask did the letter from Smoke have a post mark on it? did the letter seemed tampered? -

[goonx126]

nothing scarier than Chinese parents and their feather dusters! (if you know what i am trying to say)

i am sure you can get your laptop back...chinese parents are also protective of their kids! and nothing that money cannot solve right?

i am chinese myself and i am sure if i have done a few stupid things (nothing like this though!) , my parents will help me, whipped me quite a bit as well!

I tried to hide the feather duster when i was young.

[Heavyc]

I tried to hide the feather duster when i was young.

I don't get it, and I even went to urbandictionary to figure it out (not there).

[heymanwuzup]

I tried to hide the feather duster when i was young.

SO DID I!!!

parents will buy new ones. it's essential house hold product. in walmart you should find it right with guns, candy, and rice

[heymanwuzup]

I don't get it, and I even went to urbandictionary to figure it out (not there).

http://www.gascoals.net/Portals/1/087/CAL-T&T-300-FeatherDuster.jpg
this is a feather duster. no need to check urban dictionary. i will explain to you...

let you = chinese = father = mother = an elder
let x = the beat-ee (the person being beaten up)
1. purchase a feather duster from china town. ask for what to the most useful thing to beat my kids with. if they give you broom stick, do not take it because it kills 8-)
2. hold the feathered portion of the duster
3. use the plastic part to strike.

if you think it doesnt hurt, give it a try :P

[flavp5]

So whats the word on The receipt situation? Smoked has asked me to send back the giftcard and he will return my laptop when he receives it monday . As I have told him thats not a problem, however As stated this giftcard has nothing on it , it has never been activated, I will gladly send that back when i receive my laptop back.

[goonx126]

http://www.gascoals.net/Portals/1/087/CAL-T&T-300-FeatherDuster.jpg
this is a feather duster. no need to check urban dictionary. i will explain to you...

let you = chinese = father = mother = an elder
let x = the beat-ee (the person being beaten up)
1. purchase a feather duster from china town. ask for what to the most useful thing to beat my kids with. if they give you broom stick, do not take it because it kills 8-)
2. hold the feathered portion of the duster
3. use the plastic part to strike.

if you think it doesnt hurt, give it a try :P

Off topic here:

but there's also that infamous chinese " ***** -whopping" dish they ask if you want have a taste when you're in trouble.

[Realrena]

So whats the word on The receipt situation? Smoked has asked me to send back the giftcard and he will return my laptop when he receives it monday . As I have told him thats not a problem, however As stated this giftcard has nothing on it , it has never been activated, I will gladly send that back when i receive my laptop back.

Yeah it seems that it'll be the best for Smoked to send the laptop back to flavp5 first instead of getting a piece of useless plastic back, THEN ship the laptop.

[heymanwuzup]

Yeah it seems that it'll be the best for Smoked to send the laptop back to flavp5 first instead of getting a piece of useless plastic back, THEN ship the laptop.

oops, sorry, got off topic.

i think the pages were so long i missed something.

i thought flavp5 asked the post office NOT to send the stuff, can he also ask them to send it back? either way he still lost the amount he paid for the postage?

if he lets the laptop arrive in markham, ontario, what if smoked doesnt send it back? this is very unlikely considering how much trouble he is in, but i am just not familiar with how to deal with sitauations like that

[Realrena]

oops, sorry, got off topic.

i think the pages were so long i missed something.

i thought flavp5 asked the post office NOT to send the stuff, can he also ask them to send it back? either way he still lost the amount he paid for the postage?

if he lets the laptop arrive in markham, ontario, what if smoked doesnt send it back? this is very unlikely considering how much trouble he is in, but i am just not familiar with how to deal with sitauations like that

oops... sorry... i meant to say if somehow the laptop was afterall shipped to Smoked... THEN he should sent it back to flavp5 first.. sorry for the confusion

[FlintBlade]

I believe he said that he tried, but the post office CSR said they could not send it back.

Even if they could, it's evident smoked was trying too scam him and should be perma banned.

[heymanwuzup]

mmm, dunno what's going on now.

permenent ban is like death sentence. it was quite scary to see "Permanently Banned" under his name.

so what is going on now. is the original poster still going to go all the way and have the police visit him? what is smoked going to do now? what should he do now anyway?

[flavp5]

I have been contacted by "Smoked" a short time ago...he states he is going to contact canada post and have my laptop returned to me.....

he now believes he may have made a mistake by sending me the wrong gift card or there has been a mix up...

I'll keep you posted, but I hope this is a step in the right direction

[jan27299]

I have been contacted by "Smoked" a short time ago...he states he is going to contact canada post and have my laptop returned to me.....

he now believes he may have made a mistake by sending me the wrong gift card or there has been a mix up...

I'll keep you posted, but I hope this is a step in the right direction

I hope he abides by his words.
Good luck!

[heymanwuzup]

now i am just guessing...

ignoring what happened with Smoked and CMB, he would seem like a legit trader. Honestly 15 positive feedback looks good.

Perhaps it really is a mix-up, and he sent the GC without knowing its empty? Perhaps he go scammed originally but didn't know? But he did say he spent some money with the GC...

hmmm now i keep thinking, i am just confusing myself. Best luck to you!

[T-Man]

now i am just guessing...

ignoring what happened with Smoked and CMB, he would seem like a legit trader. Honestly 15 positive feedback looks good.

Perhaps it really is a mix-up, and he sent the GC without knowing its empty? Perhaps he go scammed originally but didn't know? But he did say he spent some money with the GC...

hmmm now i keep thinking, i am just confusing myself. Best luck to you!


Don't be confuse with the 15 positive feedbacks. If you look at it closely, you'll see that its mostly sellers (10) so he was the buyer, meaning he bought from honest sellers, and only (5) was where he himself was the seller.

[heymanwuzup]

Don't be confuse with the 15 positive feedbacks. If you look at it closely, you'll see that its mostly sellers (10) so he was the buyer, meaning he bought from honest sellers, and only (5) was where he himself was the seller.

good point. thanks for the pointer. but if you really wanna scam someone, you can be either the buyer or the seller? you can NOT pay up (scam) or you can NOT send the item (scam as well)

just told this entire story to my girlfriend, she has lost hope to internet shopping. Now she doesnt wanna buy new shoes online. thanks Smoked! now i have to figure out how to get my girlfriend nice cheap new shoes xD

[T-Man]

...just told this entire story to my girlfriend, she has lost hope to internet shopping. Now she doesnt wanna buy new shoes online. thanks Smoked! now i have to figure out how to get my girlfriend nice cheap new shoes xD

Yes that really sucks, for the most part, buying and selling online is a great way to find deals, or the rare hard to find items. Its the few individuals out there that ruins it for everyone. My suggestion, if its possible for your girlfriend to buy from a seller in person, then that would probably be best.

[FlintBlade]

Well, he contradicted himself many times throughout this whole ordeal. First stating that he bought the GC, than he got it as a gift and then saying he got it from a trade.

Also, he said the original amount was for $400 and that he used $50. So he obviously at one point had a GC worth $400 and did not get stiffed from whoever sold it too him originally. Also, who misplaces a $350 FS GC? I would not only keep it in a safe place, but would also staple a receipt on it so I know what the amount of what's left on it.

So unless he has multiple Future Shop GC's and just happened to send out an empty GC, then it's more likely that he purposely mailed out the wrong GC. Like he went to FS and just got a unloaded GC off the shelf by a cash register and walked out. Then mailed that GC too flav hoping he could get away with it.

I do believe Flav not only stated it was empty, but was never even activated. Also, Smoked numerously claimed that he sent out the correct GC and probably still thinks too this very minute that the GC he sent was either loaded, or knows what he did was wrong and isn't sure how to react.

But either way, this was totally not an accident. If it was, Smoked could have cleared this up appropriately. Asking for the GC to be scanned at a Local FS and have a picture taken to prove it was empty. From that point, have the Laptop mailed back and deal with the GC on his own time. Find out where the one with $350 is and have that mailed out, or contacting the guy who sold it too him and finding out why he was scammed. This is all the responsibility that he must take on himself and in his own time as well. Why should flav be scammed or without money or laptop and have to wait until smoked clears it up. It should be sorted out and then the transaction can be completed from there.

Still seems hard too believe that he would misplace a $350 FS GC and that he would have multiple empty GC's just lying around right next to the GC that was loaded. Then, without going to FS to confirm which one had the right amount on it, he just sends out the first one that attracts his eye.

Seems shady too me...

[a12c]

Well, he contradicted himself many times throughout this whole ordeal. First stating that he bought the GC, than he got it as a gift and then saying he got it from a trade.

Also, he said the original amount was for $400 and that he used $50. So he obviously at one point had a GC worth $400 and did not get stiffed from whoever sold it too him originally. Also, who misplaces a $350 FS GC? I would not only keep it in a safe place, but would also staple a receipt on it so I know what the amount of what's left on it.

So unless he has multiple Future Shop GC's and just happened to send out an empty GC, then it's more likely that he purposely mailed out the wrong GC. Like he went to FS and just got a unloaded GC off the shelf by a cash register and walked out. Then mailed that GC too flav hoping he could get away with it.

I do believe Flav not only stated it was empty, but was never even activated. Also, Smoked numerously claimed that he sent out the correct GC and probably still thinks too this very minute that the GC he sent was either loaded, or knows what he did was wrong and isn't sure how to react.

But either way, this was totally not an accident. If it was, Smoked could have cleared this up appropriately. Asking for the GC to be scanned at a Local FS and have a picture taken to prove it was empty. From that point, have the Laptop mailed back and deal with the GC on his own time. Find out where the one with $350 is and have that mailed out, or contacting the guy who sold it too him and finding out why he was scammed. This is all the responsibility that he must take on himself and in his own time as well. Why should flav be scammed or without money or laptop and have to wait until smoked clears it up. It should be sorted out and then the transaction can be completed from there.

Still seems hard too believe that he would misplace a $350 FS GC and that he would have multiple empty GC's just lying around right next to the GC that was loaded. Then, without going to FS to confirm which one had the right amount on it, he just sends out the first one that attracts his eye.

Seems shady too me...

+1 too many contradictions and too much evidence to say it was an "accident"

[game_fanatic]

good point. thanks for the pointer. but if you really wanna scam someone, you can be either the buyer or the seller? you can NOT pay up (scam) or you can NOT send the item (scam as well)

just told this entire story to my girlfriend, she has lost hope to internet shopping. Now she doesnt wanna buy new shoes online. thanks Smoked! now i have to figure out how to get my girlfriend nice cheap new shoes xD

Man, I wish my girlfriend would listen to my stories about RFD. She think I'm addicted to this place. And, well, I am! Muahaha:twisted:

But yes, I hope everything gets sorted out. Obviously Smoked was crapping himself and decided to make amends. Better late than never, I guess.

[vrus]

Guy is just backpeddling. Any innocent man would likely clear his name asap. This guy couldn't give out info for what seemed a damn long time despite numerous requests by fellow posters and mods.

[lazarus]

Just another reason for me never to do business with people who have relatively new forum account and inflated post counts. That seems to be one of the first signs of a possible scammer.

[Evil Techie]

sigh

so Smoked claims that a member has the receipt of the graphics card that was purchased with the GC to make it $350 instead of $400

that member got back to me and said he never got a receipt with that transaction with Smoked...

But of course I somewhat expected this.

However, I am still hoping that flavp5 and Smoked can work this out privately by returning the items to the original owner before the police shows up at Smoked's door.

For those who thinks that Smoked should not be banned, let me know why.

I personally do NOT tolerate any scammers.

[don_lee103]

sigh

so Smoked claims that a member has the receipt of the graphics card that was purchased with the GC to make it $350 instead of $400
.

I didn't even realize futureshop was selling gfx card for less than $50.
:cheesygri :cheesygri :cheesygri

[kittolau]

why are we all presuming that smoked is guilty just by the way he acts?
how is the relevant evidence to the case at hand? just because some acts suspicious does not in any way prove their guilt...or innocence for that matter

what i noticed so far in these 16 pages are that we are criticizing every single word that smoked has said and analyzed it to bits and pieces, does that really add to the evidence? or does it only prove that smoked may not be a good communicator/problem solver?

and whatever happened to the presumption of innocence? I think that yes, OP has provided some good evidence that he is being scammed, but there is no direct evidence that proves smoked intended to scam the OP. It might have been a mix up, and we should assume that it probably is, until it can be proven that the card that smoked intended to send out was $0(or not activated)

i understand that this being a member in this forum does not grant us the same rights as being a canadian citizen(i.e. presumption of innocense and a fair trial by an impartial jury), but as civilized people, i think we should give smoked a chance here...at least to sort this out...

[mr_smartman]

sorry to disappoint you, its guilty until proven innocents here in canada, and people gave smoke tons of time to sort it out, which he failed to

[Realrena]

sorry to disappoint you, its guilty until proven innocents here in canada, and people gave smoke tons of time to sort it out, which he failed to

And all this time I thought it was the other way around.. Innocent until proven guilty that is.. Time foe me to brush up some law knowledge.. :cry:

[vrus]

Our presumptions are reasonable. Smoked couldn't come up with a receipt. That's enough for all his bs that lasted this long. Flavp5 gave all his info NO PROBLEM to Evil Techie. I think by the time I read page 5 my presumption of his innocense was thrown out the window. Hell, just read flintblade's post if you're still blind on the situation.

[kittolau]

Our presumptions are reasonable. Smoked couldn't come up with a receipt. That's enough for all his bs that lasted this long. Flavp5 gave all his info NO PROBLEM to Evil Techie. I think by the time I read page 5 my presumption of his innocense was thrown out the window. Hell, just read flintblade's post if you're still blind on the situation.

Isn't justice supposed to be blind?

What does flintblade have to do with this? I respect his opinions and his commentary but it does not in any sense represent evidence..

I am just trying to be impartial here...i am not supporting either side...just trying to put new perspectives into this seemingly lopsided incident

[PCDawg]

sigh

so Smoked claims that a member has the receipt of the graphics card that was purchased with the GC to make it $350 instead of $400

that member got back to me and said he never got a receipt with that transaction with Smoked...

But of course I somewhat expected this.

However, I am still hoping that flavp5 and Smoked can work this out privately by returning the items to the original owner before the police shows up at Smoked's door.

For those who thinks that Smoked should not be banned, let me know why.

I personally do NOT tolerate any scammers.


Since when did members here are allowed tovote if a member should be banned or not? :cheesygri

AS someone else stated, buying a graphics card for $50 at futureshop where they overprice everything is a big question mark. Dont people keep receipts for things like that for warranty purposes?

To me and alot of members here, this seems like a deliberate scam.

[Dark-Colonel]

Futureshop has video cards for $50 :| :?:

Nay that is not possible. After reading every post this is quite arguably the oddest scam warning ever since the scammer counter-accused the legitimate person.

I think that smoked is not willing to outright say "Ok I lied" because he said a lot of crap and made stupid accusations. At this point there is no way from smoke to revive himself in the BST community EVEN if he returns the laptop and admits his lie.

His reputation is down the drain and cannot be brought back by anyone, not even Mario (get it? down the drain? Mario being a plumber? har har har?)

[BYan]

I have been contacted by "Smoked" a short time ago...he states he is going to contact canada post and have my laptop returned to me.....

he now believes he may have made a mistake by sending me the wrong gift card or there has been a mix up...

I'll keep you posted, but I hope this is a step in the right direction

Honestly, if it wasn't for all this attention, he probably wouldn't have done a thing - stupid to scam somebody with an empty gift card for $300, I would think that any scam that isn't going to net me four digits to be a colossal waste of time.

Don't send him anything until you get your laptop back in your hands. You give him the gift card now, he'll turn around and hit you with a "I never recieved your gift card/you spent the gift card therefore I'm keeping the laptop" argument. Call me skeptical, but it seems like the only reason he would want a useless piece of plastic back is to rob you of your most potent evidence that the gift card is, in fact, 1) empty, 2) has never been registered and therefore had never, ever had any sum of money on it to begin with.

Don't give him anything. If and when you get your laptop back in your hands, and if then he still wants his plastic back (somehow I'm thinking that once you have your laptop, his interest in his giftcard will diminish accordingly...), spare a stamp and send it to him. Not before.

[fastlayne]

And to go one step further, once you have your laptop back, have Smoked send you a cheque to reimburse you for your shipping costs and a self-addressed stamped envelope for the return of the worthless GC. Of course, the GC goes nowhere until the cheque clears!

[yao416]

Seriosuly question : Why did Smoked send out a GC if he was going to scam flavp5? :|

[Cyber6]

why are we all presuming that smoked is guilty just by the way he acts?
how is the relevant evidence to the case at hand? just because some acts suspicious does not in any way prove their guilt...or innocence for that matter



Isn't justice supposed to be blind?

What does flintblade have to do with this? I respect his opinions and his commentary but it does not in any sense represent evidence..

I am just trying to be impartial here...i am not supporting either side...just trying to put new perspectives into this seemingly lopsided incident

This might be my fertile imagination, but it seems kind of odd that kittolau only register to buy high priced giftcards. Now, for some reason he feels compelled to come to the defense of a fellow giftcard buyer/trader. :razz:

Oh well, pay no attention to me.. go on.. ;)


C.

[jan27299]

Seriosuly question : Why did Smoked send out a GC if he was going to scam flavp5? :|

If you look at a normal persons prospective,
He could have sent the blank card expecting the laptop to arrive the same time the GC will arrive at the sellers location.

In which case he thought the deniability of him sending a blank card will hold up in the forums.

Or he could have just outright screwed up and sent a blank card but was trying to be a big man and no even consider or admin the possibility. Which he could have found out recently he has the actual 350 GC in his possession but considering all the bull he has said decides to still go on with a return trade for a blank GC and flav's laptop.

Or he is just a flat out liar thinking if he resolves this issue now he can get his Rep back which he is dreaming out of his mind.

The last thing is he could be scared to death that his parents will find out he tried to scam someone in which case he will not get a car or lose his car and get his ***** wipped by his parents.

I personally think that way he has defended himself in this forums is he planned it and just found a person to deal with who did not accept the bull and took measures to get what belonged to him.

[canadiankorean]

why are we all presuming that smoked is guilty just by the way he acts?
how is the relevant evidence to the case at hand? just because some acts suspicious does not in any way prove their guilt...or innocence for that matter

what i noticed so far in these 16 pages are that we are criticizing every single word that smoked has said and analyzed it to bits and pieces, does that really add to the evidence? or does it only prove that smoked may not be a good communicator/problem solver?

and whatever happened to the presumption of innocence? I think that yes, OP has provided some good evidence that he is being scammed, but there is no direct evidence that proves smoked intended to scam the OP. It might have been a mix up, and we should assume that it probably is, until it can be proven that the card that smoked intended to send out was $0(or not activated)

i understand that this being a member in this forum does not grant us the same rights as being a canadian citizen(i.e. presumption of innocense and a fair trial by an impartial jury), but as civilized people, i think we should give smoked a chance here...at least to sort this out...

evidence?
what type of evidence are you looking for?
fingerprints, photo of smoked and the gift card smiling and finally the evidence wouldn't be complete without smoked journal entry, "I scammed flavp5 on apr 9th."

you must be thinking in the CSI world.

evidence can be circumstantial.
evidence can be derived from odd behaviour, contradictories in testimony, and other indirect methods of proving guilt.

[jan27299]

Hey kittolau,

Are yu friends with Smoked?
It seems that either you really are just naive to think he is still innocent or you are friends with him and you are just trying to lessen the impact of his screw up.

[flamez1000]

wow...just skimmed through all the pages, what and interesting story :razz:

[heymanwuzup]

Hey kittolau,

Are yu friends with Smoked?
It seems that either you really are just naive to think he is still innocent or you are friends with him and you are just trying to lessen the impact of his screw up.

i think he is just trying to say that we shouldnt say Smoked is guilty until we are 100% sure. This is true, I still remember awhile ago, when this kidnapper/murderer was arrested, the police made some comments about his being guilty BEFORE he was proven guilty by the court. The murderer was released because of that.

Nevertheless, this place is not "the real world" and none of us really 100% accused him of scamming. We just "assumed" Smoked is the scammer and kept asking him for proof of his innocence. He lied and cannot get himself clean, and now he is banned. Banning isnt that big of a deal, you can always create another account and call yourself something else, but if the OP really wanna get nasty and have the police involved, i dont know what can happen to Smoked.

This matter has gone on and on for a couple days already. Hope everything can be settled. I dont know, i personally believe in "second chance." If Smoked is willing to write a 1000 word essay about how sorry he is and what kind of things he has done and the details of this entire issue, i think i'd forgive him. But that's just me, I am sure all of you hate scammers. (I have been scammed once on ebay...sigh)

[kittolau]

Hey kittolau,

Are yu friends with Smoked?
It seems that either you really are just naive to think he is still innocent or you are friends with him and you are just trying to lessen the impact of his screw up.

so your logic is...if i presume someone to be innocent...i am naive...or friends with him....interesting

though wish i could say i was both...i would actually be defending him.
truthfully...if i were to judge from his actions i would also presume him to be guilty

but from reading the thread and i am just trying to point out facts that some might have been missed....because all the 'evidence' presented so far is not EVEN circumstantial...it's all speculation and evidence after the fact(i.e. how smoked acted afterwards seems suspicious)...but this is a forum, and there is no charter or rights or laws or habeas corpus(lol)...so i'll leave it at that...

[goonx126]

This is just my opinion, but i think this thread has gotten out of hand.

Flav and smoked's situation are already being handled by the mods, rcmp and etc.

I think we should just sit tight until we get the final statement from them. :cheesygri

No need to start bashing non-related people around about defending parties on both end.

As for my final words, it's for all those people that are hating smoke: Maybe it was accidental, maybe he was scamming, no one knows what was his real intentions except him. THE VERDICT ISN'T EVEN OUT YET so stop bashing him as well.

YES we all hate scammers and cheaters in life and will punish them if we get the chance to (psychology) but just don't get out of hand.

As for all those subsequent people who's going to bash me as well. I've been scammed lately as well so i'm not trying to defend any scammers.

P.S. Don't you guys think that 17 pages of replies on this issue is quite extravagant and reaching a hyperbole.

[flavp5]

When you look at all the evidence here , Its hard not to think i was scammed. However Smoked has since emailed me and said this was not his intentions. Who knows besides Smoked if hes lying or telling the truth.

Thing is I tried to solve this reasonably before posting here in PM's , didnt work
then We had a Mod intervene... Didn't work

Smoked has said he will be fixing the issue up with Canadapost and returning my laptop. If this happens and he can prove that he really did sent out the wrong Giftcard or can give some other valid explanation then maybe and only maybe can you give him a second look.

The whole run around, vast array of stories he has provided about the card and the fact that this card was never activated makes no sense. besides who has a blank unactivated giftcard hanging around???? Add to the fact that he had alot of positives on here as a BST also puzzles me (this was the sole reason i trusted him to send me the card in the first place)

Another thing i forgot to include was before he sent the giftcard I had pm'ed and asked him to provide me with the # for the giftcard so i could make a purchase online at futureshop. (saving him shipping) and saving me time, My laptop was already sent , with tracking and pics of it packaged with label affixed before i dropped it off. He had informed me that it was already shipped. even though it didnt get scanned at the post office till 4 pm that very next day. But at the time i did not know this.

If you read through all the facts none of this makes any sense but to assume that Smoked is a scammer, There is no sense in making any more of this till i find out what is going to happen tomorrow with my laptop , If this gets resolved i wont Press charges with the authorities or pursue it any futher with them or his parents.

[T-Man]

Seriosuly question : Why did Smoked send out a GC if he was going to scam flavp5? :|

Cause that was the original agreement. If Smoked did not send the giftcard, then, yes it would have raised red flags right away... Hypothetically, flavp5 could have stored the giftcard in his wallet for months. So if he was saving the card and finally decided to use it like 4-5months later.... it'd be much harder to turn around and asked Smoked for the receipt, why wasn't the card activated, wheres the balance etc.

[goonx126]

When you look at all the evidence here , Its hard not to think i was scammed. However Smoked has since emailed me and said this was not his intentions. Who knows besides Smoked if hes lying or telling the truth.

Thing is I tried to solve this reasonably before posting here in PM's , didnt work
then We had a Mod intervene... Didn't work

Smoked has said he will be fixing the issue up with Canadapost and returning my laptop. If this happens and he can prove that he really did sent out the wrong Giftcard or can give some other valid explanation then maybe and only maybe can you give him a second look.

The whole run around, vast array of stories he has provided about the card and the fact that this card was never activated makes no sense. besides who has a blank unactivated giftcard hanging around???? Add to the fact that he had alot of positives on here as a BST also puzzles me (this was the sole reason i trusted him to send me the card in the first place)

Another thing i forgot to include was before he sent the giftcard I had pm'ed and asked him to provide me with the # for the giftcard so i could make a purchase online at futureshop. (saving him shipping) and saving me time, My laptop was already sent , with tracking and pics of it packaged with label affixed before i dropped it off. He had informed me that it was already shipped. even though it didnt get scanned at the post office till 4 pm that very next day. But at the time i did not know this.

If you read through all the facts none of this makes any sense but to assume that Smoked is a scammer, There is no sense in making any more of this till i find out what is going to happen tomorrow with my laptop , If this gets resolved i wont Press charges with the authorities or pursue it any futher with them or his parents.

Yes, i'm not saying your lying nor the facts presented infront of us does not suggest that Smoke isn't scamming.

I read your story and understand the scope of it.

In my previous post, i just told people to cut down on the bashing on those who are skeptical of the proof and those who are labelling Smoke as the Devil to step back a bit. Mistakes do happen however unlike they seem!

Flav, in your position you have the every right to call smoke names and b*tch at him but i'm telling those ppl who are also yelling and screaming to jut calm down.

As you mentioned before, you already got all those authorities working on it and i'm saying that a post every half and hour saying how smoke sucks, how he's scamming, bashing evidence skeptical people, saying how smoke is going to get an a$$-whopping from his parents, rcmp banging on smoked's door and speculating on things smoked did on this thread isn't going to influence the situation.

If you wanted to bring awareness to smoke and his shady ways, you already did. No need to start a bashing thread on him.

He's been banned from this forum, being investigated by the rcmp, been contacted by the mods and left with a tainted reputation.

I don't think he'll be selling any more things here under the "alias" smoked.

right now i think people should just remain calm and let the situation start getting resolved and this can be done by:

1) letting the rcmp do the work and charge Smoked when they have the grounds.

or

2) let flav and smoke work out some agreement such as sending the GC and laptop back. Let canadapost do their work.

Adding 20, 30, 40 posts here everyday isn't going to speed any of those 2 things up.

As for updates, that will great. But i doubt anyone would be able to read them inbetween all the bashing posts.

[jcoltage]

my solution is easy smoke go buy a 350 gc and give him the # - or don't accept the package and it gets sent back saving you the shipping.

[aimfox]

Attempted to scam, but failed and now trying to cover it up since OP reported to authorities... It's obvious Smoked is trying to avoid going through this trouble and that is why he is awaiting to give back the laptop when it arrives...

I believe Evil Techie should consider banning him because I believe there was an another attempted scam that was going on before about the 2 BNIB 8800GTS for 8800GTX graphic card deal.

[jcoltage]

Attempted to scam, but failed and now trying to cover it up since OP reported to authorities... It's obvious Smoked is trying to avoid going through this trouble and that is why he is awaiting to give back the laptop when it arrives...

I believe Evil Techie should consider banning him because I believe there was an another attempted scam that was going on before about the 2 BNIB 8800GTS for 8800GTX graphic card deal.

he is banned since 4 pm yesterday... they still are in communication via email./

[d_jedi]

Smoked has provided me with a username of a member whom he has traded with and has the receipt.

I will now contact that member to try to obtain a copy of it.
How would that work?
Smoked already said that he received the card as a gift. Why would another RFDer have the receipt?

[d_jedi]

Belt whipping time!!! :twisted:
Somebody gonna get a hurt real bad!

[FlintBlade]

Somebody gonna get a hurt real bad!

Somebody... I'm not going too say who... but I think you might know him very well!

[bobbings]

How would that work?
Smoked already said that he received the card as a gift. Why would another RFDer have the receipt?

That's one of the many contradictions in his story.

Anyways, the receipt that Eviltechie is talking about is the 50 dollars that he spent on the item to bring his GC down to 350.

This is one long thread but it's very interesting to see that smoked is going to get PWNED!!!

Better say grace, son cuz somebody's about to get SERVED!

[ZenOps]

There is also the small possibility of interception in delivery.

That being - one should never send cash by mail. A giftcard is cash - any disgruntled postal employee can tell simply by bending an envelope if a card is inside. If they find a giftcard, they can easily swap out an empty one - or simply go on a spending spree and then return the card empty.

Admittedly it should and does not happen often in Canada, but it happens with quite frequent regularity in other places.

[vrus]

There is also the small possibility of interception in delivery.


fs gc's have a specific number on them. If the numbers matched from the receipt, that's not possible...

[jcoltage]

fs gc's have a specific number on them. If the numbers matched from the receipt, that's not possible...

Thats what I was thinking too - a mail man could I felt that it was a card - thats why I asked if the letter was tampered./

[JAC]

a reverse lookup easily reveals his phone number. and confirmed the address I shipped my laptop to and the one he sent the bogus giftcard from.

So post it.

We know he goes/went to MCI, so a quick scan of a yearbook will add his picture to the info.

[flavp5]

Just to follow up

This was not likely tampered with by Canadapost, the giftcard came in the gift box packaging and didnt have the sticky paste removed from what holds it in the holder. Theres a 1% possibility it could have been , but if it was This doesn't answer why Smoked beat around the bush with resolving this matter.

And as a quick update Smoked says he will go to the post office this afternoon and not accept the laptop thus having them send it back to me. I'll let you guys know when i get the word.

[CMB.]

I hope just because he sends it back doesn't mean he will be allowed back on the forums.

[7jaii]

I hope just because he sends it back doesn't mean he will be allowed back on the forums.

Agreed 100%. Making things right only clears the mess Smoked created himself. There isn't a thread of trust left so he should join another forum. Returning the Laptop & reimbursing flavp5 for shipping & time wasted is the bare minimum. Imagine if nobody spoke up?

I'm happy everyone kept their cool and waited for developments. Hopefully, this works out for flavp5 and he'll trade with Toronto-area RFDers again.

[mok86]

best 20 minutes of my day right here...if there is a raiding party in markham, i wouldnt mind tagging along lol

[don_lee103]

best 20 minutes of my day right here...if there is a raiding party in markham, i wouldnt mind tagging along lol

What the hell is going on with kids lately? It's either our education is really screwed up or how kids are raised by their parents these days....

[bobbings]

So post it.

We know he goes/went to MCI, so a quick scan of a yearbook will add his picture to the info.

I was reading it late last night and I think there was mention that smoked's name is Felix Tsang. If he went to MCI and is studying for exams right now, he's probably in the MCI yearbook for the last few years so a look into the yearbook from the past couple of years should reveal his true identity and picture. Also, it's not hard to pick out a Felix Tsang because it IS MCI. There aren't too many Felix Tsangs at that school.

[aimfox]

I was reading it late last night and I think there was mention that smoked's name is Felix Tsang. If he went to MCI and is studying for exams right now, he's probably in the MCI yearbook for the last few years so a look into the yearbook from the past couple of years should reveal his true identity and picture. Also, it's not hard to pick out a Felix Tsang because it IS MCI. There aren't too many Felix Tsangs at that school.

Middlefield Collegiate Institute?

[heat]

soo..what happened?
Also I'm wondering, since Smoked decided to return the laptop, he didn't ask for his GC back. I mean if he really sent 350 dollars, he should be worried since he wont get it back!

Smokeeyy got banned!

[jcoltage]

soo..what happened?
Also I'm wondering, since Smoked decided to return the laptop, he didn't ask for his GC back. I mean if he really sent 350 dollars, he should be worried since he wont get it back!

Smokeeyy got banned!


Item Number: 9272091822735001
Product Type: Xpresspost
Service Standard Delivery Date: 2008/04/14
Date of Event Time of Event Location Description Retail Location Signatory Name
2008/04/14 11:45 UNIONVILLE, ON Item out for delivery
2008/04/14 02:34 MISSISSAUGA, ON Item processed at postal facility
2008/04/13 14:41 MISSISSAUGA, ON Item processed at postal facility
2008/04/10 19:12 ST JOHN'S, NL Item processed at postal facility
2008/04/08 09:38 PARADISE, NL An order has been electronically submitted

we will see tomr.

[ali123]

wow smoke scamming ppl? waz a good trader, can't believe he would do that...

[bobbings]

Middlefield Collegiate Institute?

I assume that's the school. I actually went there for one year.

[heymanwuzup]

that seems right, he DOES live in markham area.

rather than dealing with Smoked, shouldnt we deal with nithrasank (spelling?)? he seems more dangerous than Smoked and deserves a serious ***** whooping. if you dont know what i am saying here, check under the scammers/warnings board.

[navyseals]

that seems right, he DOES live in markham area.

rather than dealing with Smoked, shouldnt we deal with nithrasank (spelling?)? he seems more dangerous than Smoked and deserves a serious ***** whooping. if you dont know what i am saying here, check under the scammers/warnings board.


I second that, at least Smoked cooperates with you. Nitharsank on the other hand seems to believe everything is alright and continues to scam not just on this forum but other sites.

[Darth Menace]

sorry to disappoint you, its guilty until proven innocents here in canada, and people gave smoke tons of time to sort it out, which he failed to

sorry man, but that is horrible talk. We are innocent until proven guilty here in Canada except for a couple examples (Neglect, etc) Some other countries are guilty until proven innocent, but not us fortunately

[Darth Menace]

We want yearbook pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[heymanwuzup]

i doubt if there's a need for a yearbook pic YET.

he did apologize to OP (hopefully) and he has been banned. As long as he straighten things out with the OP he should be forgiven (since the ultimatum has been done)

However, if he still shows no corporation after all these, someone should post yearbook pictures...preferably his GPA and stuff. Post his info on craigslist; the listing could be "Hungry, someone please smoke my ***** !"

blah. let's deal with the other scammer nitharsank for now :D...

flavp5, how's everything?

[syn3rgetic]

There is critical evidence that can PROVE smoked was lying the whole time. It seems ALL of you guys missed it. It blatantly obvious. As a former employee of FutureShop, I dealt with gift cards on a daily basis.

Smoked, (I won't bother quoting) as stated many times that he received the gift card as a gift. Many of you question this statement as $350.51 is a very peculiar balance. That's valid, however, not concrete. He may have purchased an item with CASH/DEBIT/CREDIT along with $49.49 charged on the gift card. That would clear his name in regards to the gift card balance.

And now for the incriminating evidence.
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Assuming, flavp5 wasn't lying about the condition of the packaging, (Outer Casing, Pristine Plastic, not removed from the packaging, unactivated state.) therein lies the proof to put smoked in shame. If he used said gift card on an item, (regardless of price, online, offline) the back ACTIVATION CODE should have been scratched off. Boom. Caught red handed. He cannot deny this. He has repeatedly stated that he sent the correct gift card. A used gift card would not be in its packaging, and since he knew that the card had already been used once, there is no way that he can mistake one card for another. He KNEW he was sending a used card, therefore there was no way he could mix it up with one that HAD all the packaging on it.

This proves that smoked willingly, and intentionally (attempted) to scam flavp5. Two critical flaws in his testimony with evidence. He can't say he sent the wrong one because he was supposed to send you a used one and a used one wouldn't be in a casing. And two, he can't say that flavp5 used it up, nor was the card tampered with, since the activation code cover is still virgin. This proves that this was NOT a mistake and a deliberate attempt to scam.

I see no reason not to take this to a higher authority. A lesson to us all. Scammers will be dealt with. I have never sold/bought anything from a scammer and I hope I won't have to in the future.

Oh and, keep us posted. =]

[Darth Menace]

Yearbook pics! GPA! Craigslist! (I especially want yeabook pics!) :razz:

[7jaii]

CanadaPost shows flavp5's laptop out for local delivery since Monday morning 11AM. Today's the cut off day. If Smoked returns this laptop it will show up in CanadaPost's system and it's up to them to determine how to work out shipping reimbursement.

Smoked, please don't ever come back here.

[Barayolayosa]

2008/04/14 AM UNIONVILLE, ON Attempted delivery. Notice card left indicating where item can be picked up.

[flavp5]

Smoked says he will visit the post office today and not accept the package then Candapost should return it.

no word yet

[goonx126]

LOL... omg.. people here are freaks. :cheesygri

#1) playing fantasy judge
#2) checking the delivery every couple of hours.

as for those people supporting posting yearbook pics. I think that's an invasion of privacy. To be posted a picture of, and subsequently humiliated is "online harassment." People who are going to do that should think twice before doing it. I'm sure smoked can press some charges on that. Even now, people are harassing Smoked by posting names and teasing him about " ***** -whopping". If he does get seriously hurt or beat up and reports it to the police, the first place they'll look is here. "threat of serious physical harm"

I'm no lawyer here, but smarten-up people. I'm sure most of you are adults and not just little kids, so stop acting like them.

[canadiankorean]

Smoked says he will visit the post office today and not accept the package then Candapost should return it.

no word yet

Didn't he say that yesterday?

[Darth Menace]

Wow...look what arrived in my mail! a nice loaded GC! thanks guys!

[flavp5]

according to smoked he took care of it and it should be returned via Canadapost, I'm still waiting to find out

[navyseals]

according to smoked he took care of it and it should be returned via Canadapost, I'm still waiting to find out

maybe he should be unbanned if he actually sent your laptop back. Might have been a skrewup with the GC. It doesn't seem like anything like this has happened with him before.

[flavp5]

If its been a screwup thats fine. But look at all the evidence here. It took alot to get this issue resolved. and it hasn't been resolved yet.

right now i still don't have my laptop back
and I'm out $50 for shipping, I may be out more if Canadapost Charges to have it shipped back
I'm out time and aggravation
I'm not finished with the law enforcement agencies as well. Only if and when i get my laptop back will i not pursue with them further.

Like i said if this was a simple screwup i wouldn't mind , but this has been no walk in the park to get fixed up . and there are too many "stories" by Smoked to believe anything he says at this point, He seems to be trying to fix the issue at hand here now so i will give him a chance to do so

[navyseals]

If its been a screwup thats fine. But look at all the evidence here. It took alot to get this issue resolved. and it hasn't been resolved yet.

right now i still don't have my laptop back
and I'm out $50 for shipping, I may be out more if Canadapost Charges to have it shipped back
I'm out time and aggravation
I'm not finished with the law enforcement agencies as well. Only if and when i get my laptop back will i not pursue with them further.

Like i said if this was a simple screwup i wouldn't mind , but this has been no walk in the park to get fixed up . and there are too many "stories" by Smoked to believe anything he says at this point, He seems to be trying to fix the issue at hand here now so i will give him a chance to do so

Lol very true.

[goonx126]

Wow...look what arrived in my mail! a nice loaded GC! thanks guys!

Are you manically ill? What was the point of that comment?.. it defies logic and there's nothing constructive about it.

To topic:

Smoked can get his way back here one way or another. He can just make a new account. Just hope that Flavp5 gets his laptop back. That would be the best outcome.

[heymanwuzup]

LOL... omg.. people here are freaks. :cheesygri

#1) playing fantasy judge
#2) checking the delivery every couple of hours.

as for those people supporting posting yearbook pics. I think that's an invasion of privacy. To be posted a picture of, and subsequently humiliated is "online harassment." People who are going to do that should think twice before doing it. I'm sure smoked can press some charges on that. Even now, people are harassing Smoked by posting names and teasing him about " ***** -whopping". If he does get seriously hurt or beat up and reports it to the police, the first place they'll look is here. "threat of serious physical harm"

I'm no lawyer here, but smarten-up people. I'm sure most of you are adults and not just little kids, so stop acting like them.

i am not lawyer here either, but i think as high school students, you sign a contract saying that the picture of the students can be used anywhere. Therefore, the school can use a the picture of a student in school newsletter and yearbooks. I suppose this is not so much different from seeing a photo on the newspaper, and you scan that picture and spread it around the internet - there's nothing wrong with it other than some ethical issues.

personally i dont support yearbook pictures anymore unless he still fails to cooporate? hope everything gets settled.

[Darth Menace]

Are you manically ill? What was the point of that comment?.. it defies logic and there's nothing constructive about it.

To topic:

Smoked can get his way back here one way or another. He can just make a new account. Just hope that Flavp5 gets his laptop back. That would be the best outcome.

apparently so if you say so. Just an FYI not every post has to have an earth shattering purpose. :) Maybe I will get a new laptop with the GC :|

[Darth Menace]

oh yeah Flavp5. i've read every post on this thread and I hope it works out ok. ive been scammed once off ebay (for alot less) and its really irritating. best of luck.

[wikkid_bigshot]

IMO Smoked deliberately caused so much confusion to achieve what is to be the best outcome that could result from the situation. A ban from a website, no criminal records, and no financial loss. He laid out the plan and after all these mazes and smoke screens (no pun intended), he relied on the Internet's ambiguity to get away with what would easily had been a big deal.

There was only ONE possibility that Smoked was not the scammer, and probably what Smoked was trying to the MODs and everyone to believe, that flavp5 had received the GC but claimed Smoked was a liar with an unactivated GC. Despite the improbability of that claim, I was willing to entertain that idea if Smoked didnt back off so quickly with the confusion technique when he realized that the authorities were involved.

I had dealt with people like that before, their action reveal themselves of what they are trying to hide. I understand that Felix Tsang will rely on the 0.01 possibility of his innocence to get away from getting criminally prosecuted, so I sincerely suggest that the OP, perhaps with a MOD give this guy's parents a call explaining the whole deal. Otherwise Felix might think its easy to get away with criminal offenses and get into something worse later in life if he doesn't learn from this lesson.

With the tone of his response I feel that he believe he had outsmarted the system and will continue his way.

[goonx126]

i am not lawyer here either, but i think as high school students, you sign a contract saying that the picture of the students can be used anywhere. Therefore, the school can use a the picture of a student in school newsletter and yearbooks. I suppose this is not so much different from seeing a photo on the newspaper, and you scan that picture and spread it around the internet - there's nothing wrong with it other than some ethical issues.

personally i dont support yearbook pictures anymore unless he still fails to cooporate? hope everything gets settled.

I'm not sure if you quite got what i meant. It's not the posting of the picture that is incriminating, but the intended use of it as "harassment" is the concern.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harassment_by_computer

And if you want to continue defending those who keeps bashing Smoked and act like the "big man", you should read up on cyberbullying.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberbullying

Bashing smoked does not make everything "right". Smoked did do a wrong thing by intentionally or non-intentionally giving Flav the unactivated gift-card. I was trying to get people to stop saying repeated B$ about him, hence the phrase: "two wrongs don't make a right"

The reason why this thread is 20 pages long is because 80% of it is "A$$-WHOP HIM", "let's knock on his door", etc.

Let me reiterate what the mod wrote:


everyone needs to stop threatening him now!

leave this to the authorities please

i am still waiting for his email

thanks for your patience, flavp5

We are not trying to protect the scammer, we are trying to stop people from doing the wrong thing.

p.s. thank you flav for not posting any of Smoked personal information such as address, etc.

[yao416]

"Smoked" is banned so how are we cyberbullying/harrassing him?

[goonx126]

"Smoked" is banned so how are we cyberbullying/harrassing him?

How does that not make you cyberbullying/harassing him? People are still posting comments about him. He can read this forum as a guest as well. Even if he's not, threats such as "i'm going to go kick his A$$" or "let's go raid his house" is an obvious threat.

[Darth Menace]

apparently not everybody gets all of their knowledge from wikipedia. How lame!

He can come and scam and lie on this site so it fires people up.

[user01]

The reason why this thread is 20 pages long is because 80% of it is "A$$-WHOP HIM", "let's knock on his door", etc.

Let's knock on his door doesn't mean its cyber bullying only if the OP addresses someone to go check up if he is okay

***** whooping is more like a threat

[flavp5]

Smoked says he turned in his delivery notice card and I was speaking to Canadapost who could not confirm or deny this until it scans in the system, Hopefully it will show up later today or tomorrow, Then I will know if its being returned or not.

[goonx126]

apparently not everybody gets all of their knowledge from wikipedia. How lame!

He can come and scam and lie on this site so it fires people up.

unfortunately people were engaging in cyberbullying on this thread and the quickest way to stop them was to educate them with wikipedia. Fraud is a horrible act and it should be frowned upon. People got too "fired up" and were starting to act irrational.



Let's knock on his door doesn't mean its cyber bullying only if the OP addresses someone to go check up if he is okay

***** whooping is more like a threat

i'm not sure what you meant, but the meaning of a sentence requires context. In the previous posts, "let's knock on his door" in this context means let's go find him and teach him a lesson, etc.

For ex.
The lady hit the man with an umbrella. It can mean the lady is using an umbrella to hit or she is hitting a man who is carrying an umbrella.

I'm sure if someone had an argument with a gangster and he comes knocking on that person's door, he's not coming to say friendly things and to check up in a nice way.


To Flav,
That's great news. Keep us updated. hopefully there won't be anymore complications.

[canadiankorean]

unfortunately people were engaging in cyberbullying on this thread and the quickest way to stop them was to educate them with wikipedia. Fraud is a horrible act and it should be frowned upon. People got too "fired up" and were starting to act irrational.




i'm not sure what you meant, but the meaning of a sentence requires context. In the previous posts, "let's knock on his door" in this context means let's go find him and teach him a lesson, etc.

For ex.
The lady hit the man with an umbrella. It can mean the lady is using an umbrella to hit or she is hitting a man who is carrying an umbrella.

I'm sure if someone had an argument with a gangster and he comes knocking on that person's door, he's not coming to say friendly things and to check up in a nice way.


To Flav,
That's great news. Keep us updated. hopefully there won't be anymore complications.

Looks like the laptop is back in NFD

[flavp5]

according to the tracking it arrived this morning at the main site, should be here tomorrow to my mailbox.

[life_isgood]

according to the tracking it arrived this morning at the main site, should be here tomorrow to my mailbox.

Great news! :razz:

[flavp5]

Looks like It should be here in the am , I was contacted by a police officer today from The local RNC here in Newfoundland but i was at work. She did leave her name and # to get back to her though. I'm still out $47.xx and change on this deal from the shipping. Do you guys think i should pursue this further?

I mean I really Got "di$$ed" around here and even though im getting the laptop back (or so it looks like) I still feel like i should be compensated for my shipping,

[bobbings]

Looks like It should be here in the am , I was contacted by a police officer today from The local RNC here in Newfoundland but i was at work. She did leave her name and # to get back to her though. I'm still out $47.xx and change on this deal from the shipping. Do you guys think i should pursue this further?

I mean I really Got "di$$ed" around here and even though im getting the laptop back (or so it looks like) I still feel like i should be compensated for my shipping,

It's good that you are getting your laptop back but I think that you should look at the 47 and change that you're out as lesson learned and just move on. Of course, you can pursue further and make it more difficult but IMHO, you are one lucky guy because scammers usually grab whatever they can and run. You're lucky that you were dealing with a noob scammer.

[7jaii]

Looks like It should be here in the am , I was contacted by a police officer today from The local RNC here in Newfoundland but i was at work. She did leave her name and # to get back to her though. I'm still out $47.xx and change on this deal from the shipping. Do you guys think i should pursue this further?

I mean I really Got "di$$ed" around here and even though im getting the laptop back (or so it looks like) I still feel like i should be compensated for my shipping,

Absolutely, Felix hasn't offered restitution, or apologized thoroughly. File the complaint, and at least request a local police officer visit his house and take his statement. This needs to be investigated even if your laptop was returned. Felix would never have returned your laptop without RFD MODs & RFDers pressuring him (ie. verify his location & ID), nor did he believe you filed a complaint.

The fact that he ignored this and lied! Then only refused delivery...how does that prove he's accepts responsibility. At what time did he compensate you for lost time & Shipping? At the start, during his ban, in his emails to you, or when he was at the post office? Have you received any funds at all?

No. No he did not.

Therefore, file your complaint, allow law enforcement to investigate and wait for the outcome. Pass it to authorities to determine if laws were broken and take appropriate steps.


I think that you should look at the 47 and change that you're out as lesson learned and just move on.

How is flavp5's suffering through this ordeal & getting scammed a useful lesson when Felix the culprit never admit guilt? flavp5 is the VICTIM. What was Felix's lesson? He still hasn't...

It's only fair for Felix to clear his name, right? So pass on all this info to authorities and they will investigate and determine if Felix is guilty. Innocent until proven guilty, right? Here's Felix's chance to hear authorities to say, "alrigh kid, you made a mistake, don't do it again." That's a pretty simple lesson.

[jan27299]

Absolutely, Felix hasn't offered restitution, or apologized thoroughly. File the complaint, and at least request a local police officer visit his house and take his statement. This needs to be investigated even if your laptop was returned. Felix would never have returned your laptop without RFD MODs & RFDers pressuring him (ie. verify his location & ID), nor did he believe you filed a complaint.

The fact that he ignored this and lied! Then only refused delivery...how does that prove he's accepts responsibility. At what time did he compensate you for lost time & Shipping? At the start, during his ban, in his emails to you, or when he was at the post office? Have you received any funds at all?

No. No he did not.

Therefore, file your complaint, allow law enforcement to investigate and wait for the outcome. Pass it to authorities to determine if laws were broken and take appropriate steps.



How is flavp5's suffering through this ordeal & getting scammed a useful lesson when Felix the culprit never admit guilt? flavp5 is the VICTIM. What was Felix's lesson? He still hasn't...

It's only fair for Felix to clear his name, right? So pass on all this info to authorities and they will investigate and determine if Felix is guilty. Innocent until proven guilty, right? Here's Felix's chance to hear authorities to say, "alrigh kid, you made a mistake, don't do it again." That's a pretty simple lesson.

I agree, Someone needs to scare the kid straight or he might do it to someone else either here or on another forum.

[Evil Techie]

im going to lock this for now to prevent anyone posting any private information or continuing bully him
any more bullying and threatening with physical harm will result in temp bans

i will update this thread when new info is needed to be posted publicly.

[Evil Techie]

the current update is that flavp5 has received his laptop
and Smoked agreed to send flavp5 the $47 he lost on the shipping

flavp5 requested money order 3 days ago but smoked has not got back to him about it
hopefully the refund will happen soon but so far so good, it is being resolved as long as smoked does get back to him about the money order

[Evil Techie]

Smoked has not stayed in contact with flavp5 so it doesnt look like he is willing to go through with his agreement to compensate flavp5 for the $47 shipping fee