Dell Day 3 of Deals: 42" HDTV, Dell 19" LCD Sold out, DS Lite Bundle $120 Still Avail

[AndrewRFD]

For the unfamiliar, Dell Days of Deals (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=CAqD7bLWUPI&offerid=137979.631615211&type=10&subid=) are promotions where 3 new deals and 2 to 4 sidebar deals appear each day. The deals last for one day only and the really hot deals will sell out. New items appear each morning around 6AM eastern time. Day 3 Offers are live!

Don't forget, Dell Days of Deals items now appear on the RedFlagDeals.com Deals of the Day Page (http://www.redflagdeals.com/dailydeals/) as well.

Day 3 Deals

Dell SE198WFP 19" Widescreen LCD Monitor - $129.99 Sold out
Westinghouse Digital 42" 1080P LCD HDTV - $799.00 Sold out
Nintendo DS Crimson Bundle with Professor Layton - $119.99 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=CAqD7bLWUPI&offerid=137979.631615211&type=10&subid=)


Sidebar Deals

TRENDnet Wireless Internet Camera Server - $79.99 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=CAqD7bLWUPI&offerid=137979.631615211&type=10&subid=)
Targus Mode Messenger Bag - Fits Laptops with Screen Sizes Up to 15.4-inch - Black/Blue - Designed for Dell - $29.99 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=CAqD7bLWUPI&offerid=137979.631615211&type=10&subid=)
PS3 Playstation 3 80GB Gaming Console Bundle with DualShock3 Controller, Blu Ray Remote and HDMI Cable - $424.99 (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=CAqD7bLWUPI&offerid=137979.631615211&type=10&subid=)


Looks like another day of good deals! The 19" LCD looks great at $129.99, and a 42" 1080p LCD with tuner for $799 with free shipping is hot and tempting as well! The Nintendo DS bundle is hard to fault too, as the cheapest we've seen the Professor Layton game is about $25 (normally $30-$35). That means you're getting the DS itself for about $95.

Shipping is free for all items.

[the one]

a backpack?

[EveryLurker]

still waiting for a sewing machine..

i know dell will deliver.. hopefully

[7jaii]

Need a couple UPS units. Maybe a LCD TV...don't need one but if the price was right :lol:

[JTsang]

Hopefully something I need!

Maybe some good prices for some Logitech keyboards/mice since the new lines are out? I want DiNovo edge + VX Revolution! :cheesygri

[ceraf]

i want a ps3 bundleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[ecobuilder]

Need a couple UPS units. Maybe a LCD TV...don't need one but if the price was right :lol:

+1 on the UPS!!

[akwok]

Dell 3007/3008WFP 30" LCD? Unlikely but a man can dream :o

[wesleyw]

I don't mind something crap just so I can stop my wallet from bleeding...but a nice desktop config would be good :lol:

[mahjongmaniac]

AndrewRFD, congrats on officially becoming a "deal addict"... :D

[eskimono]

Two days, two sales so far. I dunno if i want to find a deal on this 3rd one! :confused:

[iamzill]

Dell 3007/3008WFP 30" LCD? Unlikely but a man can dream :o

I'm hoping for the same thing, but it's highly unlikely considering they had the 27" just yesterday.

[CoW_CoUnTrY]

Dell 3007/3008WFP 30" LCD? Unlikely but a man can dream :o

Not likely, Dell dont usually have two monitor deals back to back...let alone two good back to back deals.

[Siefer999]

their inspiron mini's were officially released in the states this morning. maybe we will see a deal for that?

[eskimono]

Deals are on! TV is hooooooot :)

[mahjongmaniac]

deal up...

Westinghouse 42" 1080p HDTV $799
PS3 80GB bundle $424
DSL crimson red w/ game $120

sidebar
Trendnet WL camera $80
Aluratek USB jukebox $40 (reg. price)



TV is tempting :)

[evil812]

same tv at pcvonline for $50 cheaper....

[Bonjour43ma]

$800 for a 42 inch 1080p TV... not too bad, but $200 more and you can grab a brand-name one instead... hmmmm...

[helphelp911]

TV is good price

[Kwokinator88]

deal up...

Westinghouse 42" 1080p HDTV $799
PS3 80GB bundle $424
DSL crimson red w/ game $120

sidebar
Trendnet WL camera $80
Aluratek USB jukebox $40 (reg. price)



TV is tempting :)

PS3 bundle???

I'm seeing a 19 inch monitor @ $129.00
(Dell SE198WFP 19" Widescreen LCD Monitor)

[CoW_CoUnTrY]

Deals are on! TV is hooooooot :)

+1

must resist...I just bought the 27" monitor yesterday.

[Siefer999]

PS3 bundle???

I'm seeing a 19 inch monitor @ $129.00
(Dell SE198WFP 19" Widescreen LCD Monitor)

moved to side bar

[mahjongmaniac]

PS3 bundle???

I'm seeing a 19 inch monitor @ $129.00
(Dell SE198WFP 19" Widescreen LCD Monitor)

this was what i saw:

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/7948/dotdaz6.png

however, now that i've refreshed the pg, i see the Dell 19" LCD instead



EDIT: now the PS3 bundle deal is moved to the sidebar deal

[elnady]

Tears in my eyes!! No good deals (for me) today from Dell,, but yesterday was another story,,, 9 MS kits ordered,, lots of people I know will be getting a Keyboard, Mouse and a WebCam for Xmas LOL.. Or should I break the kit into two (a Keyboard and a Mouse&WebCam) that way I can have 18 Xmas gifts (yeah I'm cheap LOL)

[mahjongmaniac]

same tv at pcvonline for $50 cheaper....

this one?
http://www.pcvonline.com/ProductDetails.aspx?prodID=7430

MFR PN's are diff.

Dell (VK-42F240S) vs. PCV (TX-42F430S)

[CoW_CoUnTrY]

this one?
http://www.pcvonline.com/ProductDetails.aspx?prodID=7430

MFR PN's are diff.

Dell (VK-42F240S) vs. PCV (TX-42F430S)

Whats is the difference between them?? :confused:

[Siefer999]

Whats is the difference between them?? :confused:

dell either has a newer model, or its a typo

edit: its just a different model

dell:
http://www.westinghousedigital.com/images/products/233_hero.jpg
http://www.westinghousedigital.com/details.aspx?itemnum=233

vs.

PCV
http://www.westinghousedigital.com/images/products/125_hero.jpg
http://www.westinghousedigital.com/details.aspx?itemnum=125


tx is their "premium cinema display" that has a "deep onyx bezel with brushed titanium accents" and Dells is just their regular version

[molala]

deals too cold!!...for me..

[JeeZues]

this one?
http://www.pcvonline.com/ProductDetails.aspx?prodID=7430

MFR PN's are diff.

Dell (VK-42F240S) vs. PCV (TX-42F430S)


Whats is the difference between them?? :confused:

From http://www.westinghousedigital.com
The difference seems to be as following:
Dell - VK-42F240S has 2000:1 Contrast Ratio, 6.5 ms Response Time and 2 HDMI connectors
PCV - TX-42F430S has 1000:1 Contrast Ratio, 8 ms Response Time and 4 HDMI connectors

[CoW_CoUnTrY]

From http://www.westinghousedigital.com
The difference seems to be as following:
Dell - VK-42F240S has 2000:1 Contrast Ratio, 6.5 ms Response Time and 2 HDMI connectors
PCV - TX-42F430S has 1000:1 Contrast Ratio, 8 ms Response Time and 4 HDMI connectors


In that case the deal at Dell > PCV.

[lindmar]

$129 for a dell lcd sounds decent...
not maybe 19" lcd's get this low..

PS3 could be hotter
The TV is nice but I wouldnt take size over quality.. the 32" sammy at sears and fs for $629 was much hotter in my opinion.

[AndrewRFD]

The Dell specs lists 4 x HDMI ports, but the Westinghouse product specs lists 2. Odds are Westinghouse probably has it right.

Both the PCV and Dell offers are good deals, but I'd say this unit from Dell gets sweeter the further you are from Toronto, since shipping charges move up to at least $60 from PCV (to Vancouver, for instance).

[Xtreme2001]

For all of you monitor experts out there, would you recommend purchasing the Dell 19" currently on sale for $129 or wait until Sunday and pick up the $199.99 - Samsung 2253LW 21.6 from futureshop?

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10099507&catid=25074#

Thanks!

[crazyqqq]

is the Targus bag a good deal?

[can2000]

would you recommend purchasing the Dell 19" currently on sale for $129 or wait until Sunday and pick up the $199.99 - Samsung 2253LW 21.6 from futureshop?

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10099507&catid=25074#

Thanks!

IMO, I would pick up the $199.99 - Samsung 2253LW 21.6 .

[ZeroCoolZ]

is the Targus bag a good deal?

Not bad. I paid 49.99$ a few weeks ago

[Riddick]

For all of you monitor experts out there, would you recommend purchasing the Dell 19" currently on sale for $129 or wait until Sunday and pick up the $199.99 - Samsung 2253LW 21.6 from futureshop?

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10099507&catid=25074#

Thanks!
Why Sunday? Also shows $219 for me. Is there a 10% off this weekend?

Edit: Nevermind - saw the special flyer.

[AndrewRFD]

For all of you monitor experts out there, would you recommend purchasing the Dell 19" currently on sale for $129 or wait until Sunday and pick up the $199.99 - Samsung 2253LW 21.6 from futureshop?

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10099507&catid=25074#

Thanks!

From a productivity standpoint, I'd take 2 of the Dell monitors. Dual screen for $260? Yes please!

[Xtreme2001]

Why Sunday? Also shows $219 for me. Is there a 10% off this weekend?

I assume there is another sale going on according to this fellow.
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=631787

[shneebs]

I can't believe how BAD the PS3 bundle is! Big whoop - you get a remote control & an HDMI cable for an extra $25! I can buy the remote for $25 anywhere, and most RFD'ers know that HDMI cables can be had at Monoprice.com for <$5! FREEZING COLD!!!

Shneebs.

[ipxxx]

Not sure if the DS is a good deal... but the "Professor Layton and the Curious Village" game is pretty good (my gf loves it).

[mahjongmaniac]

Not sure if the DS is a good deal... but the "Professor Layton and the Curious Village" game is pretty good (my gf loves it).

i recall the game has been on sale for $20 a couple times (retails for $35)... so it's like getting the DSL for $100

free s/h would be a bonus

[samson]

the TV at PCV seems to be a better deal..more features and $50 cheaper. Anyone know how much is shipping to Toronto. Too lazy to open an acct....

[lockec]

Anyone have the wireless network camera? Is this deal good at all? Been thinking about one of these for the baby's room, curious what RFD'ers think of it.

[BinaryJay]

Found a post online mentioning this model of Westinghouse was selling regular price at Costco US at one point for $699. Find it hard to call this a good deal after that. Though it's a joke how much more expensive other brands are at places like FS.

Still holding out for something bigger myself... there is no right time to buy though.

[Cheapster]

the TV at PCV seems to be a better deal..more features and $50 cheaper. Anyone know how much is shipping to Toronto. Too lazy to open an acct....

Most items on Dell are free shipping and so is this. So go for it.

[idubbz]

I can't believe how BAD the PS3 bundle is! Big whoop - you get a remote control & an HDMI cable for an extra $25! I can buy the remote for $25 anywhere, and most RFD'ers know that HDMI cables can be had at Monoprice.com for <$5! FREEZING COLD!!!

Shneebs.

yep! i'm so glad i was able to get the dell deal of the day MGS4 ps3 bundle last month. unfortunately, since i got it...i shelled out 2200$ on a new sony bravia...

[Viper98]

only worthwhile deal is the PS3

that 42" tv is cheap for a reason

Image Contrast Ratio

2000:1


Colour Gamut

72% (NTSC)


no thanks

[tojo]

I'm looking for a laptop bag for the Acer Aspire 1 and accessories. I suppose the one in today's deal is a bit too big for it? If not, any recommendations? Thanks .

[LoveRFD]

I want to buy 2 19" LCD monitors, but do I have to order twice? When I put 2 into cart and try to check out, it only says $100 saving instead of $200 for 2. So the total is $358 instead of $258.:confused:

[ipxxx]

Thinking of the LCD for my dad....
Here are some reviews:

http://www.zdnet.com.au/reviews/hardware/desktops/soa/Dell-SE198WFP/0,139023402,339277757,00.htm?omnRef=http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en - 8.9

http://computershopper.com/reviews/dell-se198wfp-lcd-monitor-review - 6.8

Hmm....

[ipxxx]

I want to buy 2 19" LCD monitors, but do I have to order twice? When I put 2 into cart and try to check out, it only says $100 saving instead of $200 for 2. So the total is $358 instead of $258.:confused:

Yes - create two separate orders

[LonesomeDove]

For all of you monitor experts out there, would you recommend purchasing the Dell 19" currently on sale for $129 or wait until Sunday and pick up the $199.99 - Samsung 2253LW 21.6 from futureshop?

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10099507&catid=25074#

Thanks!

Go with the bigger LCD. I just got a new 22" LCD and I am amazed over the quality of a bigger screen over my old 19 inch 4:3 LCD. And the 19 inch widescreen LCD has less area than the old square LCDs.

And to the guy asking about shipping costs, they are free even for a big TV.

[Bonjour43ma]

hmmm $130 for a 19'' monitor is pretty cheap...

[roguechameleon]

Think I'm going to pick up one 19" for my parents.... they've been using a CRT since the dawn of time.

[klad007]

This was the first I saw on the dell site, is this guy saying its a refurb??


I don't buy much on line but I needed a better monitor for my computer and ordered this one. VERY nice in all respects. Those of you out there who are hesitant to order remanufactured items, have no fear with Dell. This item looks and operates just AS NEW. A very good price. Your phone rep was of great help assuring me that this would be just plug and play and it indeed was. Sometimes things are hard to connect up, especially for people like me who are not computer experts, but this was as easy as putting in a new light bulb! VERY VERY good work, Dell.

Cons
absolutely none.

[h00ch]

Think I'm going to pick up one 19" for my parents.... they've been using a CRT since the dawn of time.
Is there anything wrong with their CRT? How big is it?

[belowzeros]

dell either has a newer model, or its a typo

tx is their "premium cinema display" that has a "deep onyx bezel with brushed titanium accents" and Dells is just their regular version


Acutally it's the other way around, Dell has the better model. The only thing the PCV model has going for it is 4hdmi vs dell's 2 and a slightly diff better looking bezel. But dell's tube is a lot better.

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linksynergy ftw i guess lol

[angel_wing0]

god sucky deals today...

[Opticblast]

so is the DS deal that bad? I've been looking to pick one up.

[samson]

Most items on Dell are free shipping and so is this. So go for it.

Actually I meant the shipping at PCV ...not dell.

[apvm]

Thanks OP, am looking for a 19"+ LCD Monitor to replace my 17" CRT (still going strong) couldn't resist the price and it comes with DVI cable according to some reviewer. Anyone knows the return and dead pixel policy of Dell, Thanks.

[Opticblast]

wait is that a DS or a DS lite?

[sparhawk909]

so is the DS deal that bad? I've been looking to pick one up.

By the time you reach 5 pages and no one mentions the item, then it is usually a non-buy. An example would be the camera from yesterday's day of deals.

[ipxxx]

wait is that a DS or a DS lite?

According to the product description:


With impressive 3D rendered graphics, the Nintendo DS™ Lite Gaming Console from Nintendo® delivers entertaining portable games for gamers of any genre.

[dbdudley]

By the time you reach 5 pages and no one mentions the item, then it is usually a non-buy. An example would be the camera from yesterday's day of deals.

People have definitely mentioned it.

I really don't think it's THAT bad of a deal. If you were going to get one anyways, you save $10 and get a free game. Not very hot, but if you were going to buy that game anyways, you'd be saving about $40 total which is fairly good.

If you don't mind the effort, hit your local BBV and pick up 6 games with > $8 TIV and trade them in at EB instead. You could conceivable get your DS for under $50 (like I did). :)


According to the product description:

I don't even think you can get an original DS new anymore...

[angel_wing0]

wait is that a DS or a DS lite?

lite of cuz...no one will want a regular ds at that price :D

[Feb30th]

lite of cuz...no one will want a regular ds at that price :D

I don't think Nintendo sell the old DS anymore...

[chadw01]

Well, I held off on the 27", but I couldn't resist on the 19" for that price..

Reviews are pretty good:

http://search.reviews.ebay.ca/Dell-SE198WFP-Silver-LCD-Monitor_W0QQfvcsZ4595QQsoprZ63732979

http://www.epinions.com/content_415433199236

http://www.testfreaks.com/monitors/dell-se198wfp/

[queenofhearts]

I have a feeling this is like comparing apples to oranges but I just purchased a 20"wide Samsung LCD monitor (SyncMaster 2043NW) from Future shop last week for 169 (on sale for 189 and then I had the SDM 20 coupon). I bought that for my neices who are only 9 and 8 years old. For the extra 40 bucks should I just keep the Samsung or will the 19inch Dell be sufficient for their use? Actually I think I just answered my question. For the extra 40 bucks I think the Samsung is a better buy. Yes?

[JayRoc]

Anyone have the wireless network camera? Is this deal good at all? Been thinking about one of these for the baby's room, curious what RFD'ers think of it.

Ditto. I think it would be cool to check out the baby over the net while I'm at work. Having trouble finding any reviews of this thing. I seem to remember in the past that Dells Days of Deals had PTZ version for around $100 though...

[ipxxx]

I have a feeling this is like comparing apples to oranges but I just purchased a 20"wide Samsung LCD monitor (SyncMaster 2043NW) from Future shop last week for 169 (on sale for 189 and then I had the SDM 20 coupon). I bought that for my neices who are only 9 and 8 years old. For the extra 40 bucks should I just keep the Samsung or will the 19inch Dell be sufficient for their use? Actually I think I just answered my question. For the extra 40 bucks I think the Samsung is a better buy. Yes?

Personally...I would save the $40 and go with the Dell deal.
I highly doubt your 9 and 8 year olds will notice the difference in quality (or size).

[roguechameleon]

Is there anything wrong with their CRT? How big is it?

17". That's what's wrong with it.

[mcgillhonger]

How is the PS3 bundle even considered a good deal??

PS3 - $399 @ FS/BB/EBG
Remote - $24.99 @ FS/BB/EBG
HDMI Cable - $10.00 @ Monoprice (because you'd be borderline crazy paying retail price for it)
Estimated Total - 433.99 + tax

I save $10.00?? Call the boys, I'm hitting Super Sexxe with the money I just saved, honey.

Unless the PS3 80GB is the one with backwards compatibility, boo-urns on Dell's so-called "deal"....

[queenofhearts]

Personally...I would save the $40 and go with the Dell deal.
I highly doubt your 9 and 8 year olds will notice the difference in quality (or size).

I'm such a computer boob I doubt I would notice the difference! I am just concerned about quality, reliability etc. I would rather save the 40 bucks for something else. Looks like I have to research this a bit more)

[Azxster]

Thanks, just ordered a 19" to replace my 17" CRT (VS Professional Series).

[h00ch]

17". That's what's wrong with it.
You do realize that a 17" CRT has a BIGGER screen than a 19" WS LCD, right?

edit: check out http://www.cavecreations.com/tv2.cgi

[blade007]

nice, just ordered two of the SE198WFP 19" lcds

[qrayzie]

For folks considering the Westinghouse 42"..

Beyond the differences already posted in this thread, the model Dell is selling ONLY DOES 1080p through the HDMI input. It does NOT do HDMI over component, whereas the TX model offered at PC Village does offer 1080p through component.

To me, that's a pretty important difference. Not to mention the TX has 4 HDMI ports (as opposed to 2 on the Dell model). While shipping from Dell is free, I wouldn't want an HDTV that couldn't do 1080p over component.

[henrycao8]

the lcd monitor is hot, dell makes great panel

[Viper98]

For folks considering the Westinghouse 42"..

Beyond the differences already posted in this thread, the model Dell is selling ONLY DOES 1080p through the HDMI input. It does NOT do HDMI over component, whereas the TX model offered at PC Village does offer 1080p through component.

To me, that's a pretty important difference. Not to mention the TX has 4 HDMI ports (as opposed to 2 on the Dell model). While shipping from Dell is free, I wouldn't want an HDTV that couldn't do 1080p over component.

normally I'd disagree with you............ but given how bad the scalar in the westinhouse tvs are I wouldn't want to feed it anything other than it's native res either

[Phaelen]

You do realize that a 17" CRT has a BIGGER screen than a 19" WS LCD, right?

edit: check out http://www.cavecreations.com/tv2.cgi

LOL your kidding right?

yes a 17" CRT (which is usually a 16.1" viewable area) has a larger viewable area if you use it with a 4:3 aspect ratio, but who would set their aspect ratio to 4:3 on a widescreen monitor or TV.

And also monitors don't work quite the same way as TVs ;)

[miss_swan]

People have definitely mentioned it.

I really don't think it's THAT bad of a deal. If you were going to get one anyways, you save $10 and get a free game. Not very hot, but if you were going to buy that game anyways, you'd be saving about $40 total which is fairly good.

If you don't mind the effort, hit your local BBV and pick up 6 games with > $8 TIV and trade them in at EB instead. You could conceivable get your DS for under $50 (like I did). :)



I don't even think you can get an original DS new anymore...

+1

I don't have time like most of the people on this board anymore to shop around and stuff. It's enough to check RFD online ... but not going around price matching and all that jazz ... I wanted to pick a DS Lite for my 6 year old for his bday in Dec and this fits the bill.

Sure, i've seen the DS for 99.99 standalone .... and you can do other things to get it lower but I get to order from home and get it shipped for no extra charge to my door. That's good enough for me.

Plus, I get it before the xmas crush and it gives me time to order an r4 or whatever is the best choice nowadays. What are people ordering nowadays?

[number8888]

19" LCD is HOT. I remember trying to look for this monitor size under 200 only 3 months ago and the only thing I could find is an Acer (with no DVI!)



You do realize that a 17" CRT has a BIGGER screen than a 19" WS LCD, right?

edit: check out http://www.cavecreations.com/tv2.cgi

I think a 17" CRT only has a viewable area of about 15.5" because of the border. Just how CRT sizes are measured.

Now a 17" LCD would have a similar viewing experience compare to a 19" WS LCD. Basically the 19" has a simlar height to the 17", but wider horizontally.

[iamdman]

If I buy 2 will the 19" monitor support dual monitors side by side?

[AndrewRFD]

If I buy 2 will the 19" monitor support dual monitors side by side?

It's not a matter of the monitors. Having a dual monitor setup relies on your computer's video card(s).

[jory29]

Edited: This message I wrote earlier must have been a glitch... .still in stock!!!

19" LCD sold out... I had one in my cart, was going to phone my father in law to see if he wanted it, and it sold out before my very eyes. Was a great deal, congrats on those who got in on it.

edited... wait a minute... I had saved my cart, then tried to get back in, when they stated in red there was no more stock - but upon going back in, it seems they still have them!! Go, go, go, guys!!
P.S. My Father in law is going to stick with his CRT monitor, so one more to be had by RFD'ers. :)

[Viz79]

so is the DS deal that bad? I've been looking to pick one up.

Yes, the NDSL bundled deal is a very decent deal if you're not picky on the colour. The Dell bundle is for the Crimson Red version of the NDSL with the Professor Layton game. The game itself it pretty fun. It's an RPG mystery puzzle (à-la Sherlock Holmes) game. Very good reviews for the game. Worst case scenerio, you can probably sell the game for $20, making the NDSL only $100.


wait is that a DS or a DS lite?

It's the NDSL.


If I buy 2 will the 19" monitor support dual monitors side by side?

Yes.

~V79~

[number8888]

19" LCD sold out... I had one in my cart, was going to phone my father in law to see if he wanted it, and it sold out before my very eyes. Was a great deal, congrats on those who got in on it.

I added it to cart and seems to work for me still. Hurry if you want to buy one.

[iamdman]

It's not a matter of the monitors. Having a dual monitor setup relies on your computer's video card(s).

yikes, guess I will need to search for a video card that supports 2 monitors then.

[AndrewRFD]

yikes, guess I will need to search for a video card that supports 2 monitors then.

It's pretty common nowadays. Many, many video cards come with 2 outputs.

[Derek]

Bought 2 of the 19" LCDs for work. Great price, 3 year warranty and free shipping seals the deal.

[iamdman]

Ditto. I think it would be cool to check out the baby over the net while I'm at work. Having trouble finding any reviews of this thing. I seem to remember in the past that Dells Days of Deals had PTZ version for around $100 though...

I wish this thing had remote pan & tilt.

[eeto]

You do realize that a 17" CRT has a BIGGER screen than a 19" WS LCD, right?

edit: check out http://www.cavecreations.com/tv2.cgi

checked the link out. the 19" is smaller than 17" ONLY if you use it 4:3 (1.33:1) NTSC mode ... that means you'll get 2 very thick black bars on the side. I don't get what you mean by BIGGER screen. :confused:

edit: btw, the monitor is still available in my screen :O

[Gevaltech]

Bought 2 of the 19" LCDs for work. Great price, 3 year warranty and free shipping seals the deal.


Hey, if the RFD guru ordered them, I am in.

[willy]

I think a 17" CRT only has a viewable area of about 15.5" because of the border. Just how CRT sizes are measured.

Now a 17" LCD would have a similar viewing experience compare to a 19" WS LCD. Basically the 19" has a simlar height to the 17", but wider horizontally.
Let me give you guys/gals' some 'live' measurements :)

I have both monitors (19" WS LCD + Dell 17" CRT) in question. The 17" CRT measures 12.5" x 9.5" (= 118.75 sq. in) and the 19" WS LCD measures 16" x 10" (= 160 sq. in)

Resolution-wise, I am running the 19" WS at its native 1440 x 900 and 17" CRT at 1024 x 768.

So 19" WS LCD is +35% (physical viewing area) and +65% (resolutions, Windows desktop space).

[willy]

It's pretty common nowadays. Many, many video cards come with 2 outputs.
To get the best out of these LCD monitors, you need one with 2 x DVI ports.

Here's a relatively cheap one ... https://www.cty.ca/ProductDetails.asp?pid=2761

[Carpe Diem]

I have a laptop with a dead LCD. I'm going to crazy glue the laptop on the back of this 19" and make my own imac.

[willy]

I have a laptop with a dead LCD. I'm going to crazy glue the laptop on the back of this 19" and make my own imac.
Please don't forget to show us a pic :cheesygri

[roguechameleon]

You do realize that a 17" CRT has a BIGGER screen than a 19" WS LCD, right?

edit: check out http://www.cavecreations.com/tv2.cgi

That's relevant for content that is restricted to 4:3 right? On a PC display, I'd expect the 19" widescreen to be more effective than a 17" 4:3.

[willy]

That's relevant for content that is restricted to 4:3 right? On a PC display, I'd expect the 19" widescreen to be more effective than a 17" 4:3.
Correct ... not to mention there's a little 'flaw' in the link h00ch posted. WS LCD monitor is 16:10 (not 16:9) ... so it's a little 'taller' ...

[donye]

I called pcvonline for the 42" tv.He said, markham store-out of stock.
But,i can order with cash or debit card deposit.
He said, $749.95 price for cash or debit card.(3% more for credit card)

[Bunkhouse]

Didn't cave on the 27" yesterday (after reading lots of input lag complaints on the web) but i grabbed the 19" LCD today. Nice to have a small 2nd monitor to throw MSN and other status windows on while I work/game on the main one.

[zabuza]

Just got the 19" for my mom. Too cheap to pass on.

[leez0r]

does anyone think the westinghouse tv is a good deal? or has anyone even seen it before?

[Viper98]

does anyone think the westinghouse tv is a good deal? or has anyone even seen it before?

it's a horrible deal

[STP123]

Bought the bag and the monitor...damn you RFD :mad:

[T3rry]

does the camera work without wifi? like if i have my laptop near the camera can i just use it locally and record to my HDD?

[tsatsa]

Thanks OP, just order myself a Dell 19" LCD.

[Ahzuz]

To get the best out of these LCD monitors, you need one with 2 x DVI ports.

Here's a relatively cheap one ... https://www.cty.ca/ProductDetails.asp?pid=2761

you can also plug your two monitors to a vid card with 1 DVI and 1 VGA.... Not much of a difference if you only do browsing and stuff like that

[ndondo]

Should I go with 2 x 19 Inch LCD
or get one 24 Inch ?

I mainly use it for web browse - email - youtube - movies

I guess 24 inch will be better for movies ..

[Ahzuz]

geez the 19'' lcd deal is tempting

[Tuppin]

does anyone think the westinghouse tv is a good deal? or has anyone even seen it before?

$799 for a 1080P tv with free delivery. Not bad at all. Costca.ca has a similar model 1200.00. http://www.costco.ca/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=10312972&whse=BCCA&Ne=4000000&eCat=BCCA|79|2341&N=4008767&Mo=17&No=6&Nr=P_CatalogName:BCCA&cat=3316&Ns=P_Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-CA&Sp=C&topnav=

This is a newer model than the old 42" deal that dell had. This model has a tuner built in and is 1080P.

I ordered it for our bedroom.

[donye]

For folks considering the Westinghouse 42"..

Beyond the differences already posted in this thread, the model Dell is selling ONLY DOES 1080p through the HDMI input. It does NOT do HDMI over component, whereas the TX model offered at PC Village does offer 1080p through component.

To me, that's a pretty important difference. Not to mention the TX has 4 HDMI ports (as opposed to 2 on the Dell model). While shipping from Dell is free, I wouldn't want an HDTV that couldn't do 1080p over component.

But, which one (dell or pcvonline) newer model?
I think,if any tv problem, easy to return to dell than pcvonline.

[JayRoc]

does the camera work without wifi? like if i have my laptop near the camera can i just use it locally and record to my HDD?

It doesn't have to run off wifi, there is a 10/100 wired connection on the back as well.

If you just want to direct connect to you computer though, why don't you just get a webcam? FS has the micrsoft vx-1000 for only $15 as discussed in another thread.

[thendless]

But, which one (dell or pconline) newer model?
I think,if any tv problem, easy to return to dell than pconline.

The dell model is the newer model. It was released this year while the other one was released last year:

http://www.westinghousedigital.com/details.aspx?itemnum=233

http://www.westinghousedigital.com/details.aspx?itemnum=125

Things to notice between the two:

For the Dell the response time is 6.5ms and contrast ratio is 2000:1 while for the older model (PCV) it is 8ms and 1000:1. Also as others have mentioned the older model has 4 HDMI inputs opposed to the 2 that the dell has.

Hmm im really tempted to order this...............

[djredhat]

got the 19" LCD. With corporate discount, it came to $138 delivered. Best deal on cheap LCD ever.

[rems]

The dell model is the newer model. It was released this year while the other one was released last year:

http://www.westinghousedigital.com/details.aspx?itemnum=233

http://www.westinghousedigital.com/details.aspx?itemnum=125

Things to notice between the two:

For the Dell the response time is 6.5ms and contrast ratio is 2000:1 while for the older model (PCV) it is 8ms and 1000:1. Also as others have mentioned the older model has 4 HDMI inputs opposed to the 2 that the dell has.

Hmm im really tempted to order this...............

I ordered the one from PCV two weeks ago. I went from a CRT tv to this LCD so to me, it's a definite upgrade (even if it's not the best out there)

[shneebs]

The upcoming deal on the Sanyo camcorder sounds good..Where did you hear about that? Link?

Shneebs.

[thendless]

I ordered the one from PCV two weeks ago. I went from a CRT tv to this LCD so to me, it's a definite upgrade (even if it's not the best out there)

Hmm ya... say just curous, how big is the box your TV came in? will it be able to fit in a mid-full size car (like a corolla?)

[donye]

I'm going to order the 42" tv from pcvonline.

[kilogun]

Hmm ya... say just curous, how big is the box your TV came in? will it be able to fit in a mid-full size car (like a corolla?)

Just guessing here, but I'm pretty sure it won't fit in a corolla. Probably too tall to fit into the rear seat row. If you had a hatchback you'd have a chance.

Cheers,
Kilo.

[whats_the_big_deal]

Should I go with 2 x 19 Inch LCD
or get one 24 Inch ?

I mainly use it for web browse - email - youtube - movies

I guess 24 inch will be better for movies ..
The max resolution for 2 of these 19-inch LCD monitors would be 2880 x 900 (assuming that they're side-by-side) = 2,592,000 pixels

The max resolution for a 24-inch LCD monitor is typically 1920 x 1200 = 2,304,000 pixels

Hmmm... you'll get slightly more resolution from the 2 x 19-inch LCDs, but I don't think I'd be happy with a screen height of only 900 pixels.

Personally, I'd go for a 24-inch LCD.

[snow2ice]

19in moniter sold out

[martin_nv]

I just ordered the 19" monitor, the description on the order has "sold out" in it, but it looks like the order went through. We shall see what happens! :cheesygri

[vipt2000]

I just ordered the 19" monitor, the description on the order has "sold out" in it, but it looks like the order went through. We shall see what happens! :cheesygri

Oh well! I wait too long again. Miss the deal just like the mouse/kb/webcam combo

[iamdman]

got the 19" LCD. With corporate discount, it came to $138 delivered. Best deal on cheap LCD ever.

What the...! Corp discount, I tried to use my EPP and the sales guy in India said no way, can't use discount. Said computer would not let him.

[leez0r]

oh man im so close to pulling the trigger on this tv...i'm just not sure!~

[ipxxx]

What the...! Corp discount, I tried to use my EPP and the sales guy in India said no way, can't use discount. Said computer would not let him.

Hmm good thing I didn't bother calling then...because my EPP is only 5% and would have hated to miss out on the deal waiting on hold / trying to convince them to give me 5% off...

[FrozenPegger]

If worried about warranty on a big purchase TV, use a credit card that extends warranty. I do this versus extended warranty plans. My President Choice Mastercard has that after reading the fine print. It adds another year.

[chadw01]

Just wait a day or two. You'll see. ;)

Red Mosquito, is that you?? :twisted:

What else is coming down the pipe?

Do share!

[iamdman]

To get the best out of these LCD monitors, you need one with 2 x DVI ports.

Here's a relatively cheap one ... https://www.cty.ca/ProductDetails.asp?pid=2761

How does this video card compare? On sale from $175 to $50.

http://www.infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=351082

[saltypig]

I just ordered the 19" monitor, the description on the order has "sold out" in it, but it looks like the order went through. We shall see what happens! :cheesygri

Did you check to see if your order price comes up as $129. I added the sold out monitor to my cart and the price came up as $229 it did not give me the $100 off discount.

Haha - the PS3 got a promotion from sidebar deal to main deal.

[willy]

How does this video card compare? On sale from $175 to $50.

http://www.infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=351082
If you are not a hardcore gamer and don't mind the noise coming from the large cooling fan, $50 is a good deal for a 8600GTS with 2 x DVI ...

Oh, make sure the slot is vacant right beside your PCI-e 16x slot, this card is a dual-slot ...

[Tuppin]

Looks like costco in the US had this set o nsale for $699:

http://claysworld.wordpress.com/2008/08/27/westinghouse-42-1080p-at-costco-for-699/

They also mention that the box says 2 hdmi inputs but it actually has 4.

[rems]

Hmm ya... say just curous, how big is the box your TV came in? will it be able to fit in a mid-full size car (like a corolla?)

can you fold the seats down in a corolla?
My friend was able to fit it in his mazda3 hatchback by doing that...

[balou911]

For folks considering the Westinghouse 42"..

Beyond the differences already posted in this thread, the model Dell is selling ONLY DOES 1080p through the HDMI input. It does NOT do HDMI over component, whereas the TX model offered at PC Village does offer 1080p through component.

To me, that's a pretty important difference. Not to mention the TX has 4 HDMI ports (as opposed to 2 on the Dell model). While shipping from Dell is free, I wouldn't want an HDTV that couldn't do 1080p over component.

While true that few lcds offer1080p over component, even fewer appliances offer it. Plus. 720p looks great aswell, and anyone would be hard pressed to tell the difference from 6ft+ away. On a 1080 screen your chances of having abad pixel is a gamble. Dell offers a great 30 day no hassle return/exchange policy. Pcv doesn't and neither doesn't westy.

[rems]

While true that few lcds offer1080p over component, even fewer appliances offer it. Plus. 720p looks great aswell, and anyone would be hard pressed to tell the difference from 6ft+ away. On a 1080 screen your chances of having abad pixel is a gamble. Dell offers a great 30 day no hassle return/exchange policy. Pcv doesn't and neither doesn't westy.

I would suggest getting it from Dell as well...
Cuz most credit cards offer an extended warranty on purchases made with the card (up to an extra year). So it'd be less than $30 more for the Dell one if you were to use your credit card with this perk...

[martin_nv]

Did you check to see if your order price comes up as $129. I added the sold out monitor to my cart and the price came up as $229 it did not give me the $100 off discount.

Yeah I made sure it was on sale before I confirmed the order. I even got the confirmation email!
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/9859/receiptnn5.th.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=receiptnn5.jpg)

[chadw01]

While true that few lcds offer1080p over component, even fewer appliances offer it. Plus. 720p looks great aswell, and anyone would be hard pressed to tell the difference from 6ft+ away. On a 1080 screen your chances of having abad pixel is a gamble. Dell offers a great 30 day no hassle return/exchange policy. Pcv doesn't and neither doesn't westy.

If you purchase a major electronic toy (i.e. TV) from Dell and you have problems within the warranty period, can you call them up to bring a TV/Dell technician to have a look at it, or do you have to send it back?

[chadw01]

Yeah I made sure it was on sale before I confirmed the order. I even got the confirmation email!
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/9859/receiptnn5.th.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=receiptnn5.jpg)

$229 - $100 = $141 ? :confused:

[Viper98]

$229 - $100 = $141 ? :confused:

$12 environmental fee

[chadw01]

$12 environmental fee

Wow, thanks.. great to live in Ontario!

[trellaine201]

Do not, I will repeat do not every buy this Westinghouse TV. I had the 42incher and was hugely dissappointed and the customer service from them has to be the worst in the planet. After several months of trying to get hold of them etc, nothing was ever done regarding one of several issues which was firmware updates and hdmi troubles!

Don't do it, you will regret it.

Thank god I have reliable Sony product now!

[donye]

Is Amex costco card offer extended warranty on purchases made with the card ?

[GuitarMan]

Is Amex costco card offer extended warranty on purchases made with the card ?
Any credit card with extended warranty usually has limitations such as computer parts are excluded, etc. You have to check with your credit card provider before making any decisions regarding warranty coverage.

[Firefoxer]

Could someone post the link for the 19 inch LCD please.

[jmgk]

Could someone post the link for the 19 inch LCD please.

I believe its sold out or so the thread says so maybe they took down the page.

[lorenzo1000]

TV is sold out now, showing as $1400.

[ItemFinder]

That TV goes for the same price at every other retailer I've seen:
http://www.sigelectronics.com/Electronics/Plasma-LCD-TV/Westinghouse-TX-42F430S-42-LCD-HDTV
It's not exactly hot, but it's not a bad price either.

[TRD604]

The PS3 seems like a good deal. Its $499 for the bundle at FS/BB here.

[saltypig]

Could someone post the link for the 19 inch LCD please.


I believe its sold out or so the thread says so maybe they took down the page.

They are sold out but probably due to a glitch people could still add to their cart and purchase it (as a previous poster mentioned they did exactly that) so to stop it they took down the page...From the dell website:

Our apologies...

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[Formula1]

The PS3 seems like a good deal. Its $499 for the bundle at FS/BB here.

It's totally cold.

[Firefoxer]

They are sold out but probably due to a glitch people could still add to their cart and purchase it (as a previous poster mentioned they did exactly that) so to stop it they took down the page...From the dell website: ...


Smart move from them. Thank you and jmgk for the replies.

[Viper98]

That TV goes for the same price at every other retailer I've seen:
http://www.sigelectronics.com/Electronics/Plasma-LCD-TV/Westinghouse-TX-42F430S-42-LCD-HDTV
It's not exactly hot, but it's not a bad price either.

that's not the same tv
that's better than Dell's

[Aznkid2000]

They are sold out but probably due to a glitch people could still add to their cart and purchase it (as a previous poster mentioned they did exactly that) so to stop it they took down the page...From the dell website:

Our apologies...

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what is the glitch really???

[hrvatneah]

bag has now been promoted to main deals

[addicted2deals]

Today's PS3 is the new 80gb which is 399.99$ and is comparable to the discontinued 40gb PS3, so it's not a very hot deal


The PS3 seems like a good deal. Its $499 for the bundle at FS/BB here.

[Tuppin]

that's not the same tv
that's better than Dell's

Just wondering why you think it's better than the Dell one? The dell model has 2000:1 CR and 6.5 ms response time vs the model at SIG which has 1000:1 and 8ms. It seems the Dell one might even have 4 hdmi inputs as well.

[KelvinK]

picked up the lcd this morning
good price, and i needed a good secondary monitor for my macbook

[Limech]

Well, I wanted an IP Camera for a while now. This special pushed me over the edge so I bought it.

I pick up my 5 year old at school every day at 2pm and I finish my work day in the basement but I wanted to be able to keep an eye on her while she's upstairs. Done! :)

Of course, it will also be a nice addition to the security system.

[lorenzo1000]

Just wondering why you think it's better than the Dell one? The dell model has 2000:1 CR and 6.5 ms response time vs the model at SIG which has 1000:1 and 8ms. It seems the Dell one might even have 4 hdmi inputs as well.


The specs on the Dell site are not correct. This model does have 4 HDMI inputs and it's a newer model, just released this year.

http://www.gadgetell.com/tech/comment/westinghouse-ready-to-rock-this-ces-begins-by-announcing-new-hdtvs/

[Nascar318is]

So the 80gig Bundle for $424 with HDMI and Blu-Ray remote is not a good deal?

[amplified]

So the 80gig Bundle for $424 with HDMI and Blu-Ray remote is not a good deal?

80GB console with dual shock is 399.99 regular + blu-ray remote can be had for $20-$25 + HDMI can be had for about $5 shipped from monoprice. so basically this deal is retail.

[StoneColdWhat]

bag has now been promoted to main deals

BAG. HAHAHAH

[mahjongmaniac]

I have a laptop with a dead LCD. I'm going to crazy glue the laptop on the back of this 19" and make my own imac.

LOL... 19" imac...

plz don't forget to show us the pics :lol: :D

[heimdal]

If only the DS was Cobalt Blue, I would have jumped all over it.

[S_G]

SOB!! I forgot to check this yesterday and now today I'm late. Frack, I'd have bought a 2709W and the Westy 42".

[Eyedol]

can you fold the seats down in a corolla?
My friend was able to fit it in his mazda3 hatchback by doing that...

hmmm... i don't know how your friend put his tv in his mazda3 hactback because I bought the VX model from bestbuy and couldn't put it in either my mazda3 or my corolla. The box is simply to big to put in it.... Maybe if you put it in the car without the box and lay it down it might work.... but still it is not recommended to carry it that way.

[SinGularity]

thank god.. i would have bought that tv if i hadn't missed it

[JTsang]

thank god.. i would have bought that tv if i hadn't missed it

Heh... I gave myself the day to think about it... and now it's gone. Good and bad, I guess. :razz:

These deals are really getting to me though... :eek: first 2709w and now the Westy...

[ipxxx]

Strange...

Received an email with the following subject today "Dell Order Has Shipped for Order Number: XXXXXXXXX" for the 19" LCD. In this email is the following:

Shipping Method:Canada Standard

and there is no tracking number on the order status page OR in the email...

Out of all the things I've ordered from Dell, this is the first time I've received this email and the first time where an item was shipped without a tracking number....so strange!

[rayl]

Strange...

Received an email with the following subject today "Dell Order Has Shipped for Order Number: XXXXXXXXX" for the 19" LCD. In this email is the following:

Shipping Method:Canada Standard

and there is no tracking number on the order status page OR in the email...

Out of all the things I've ordered from Dell, this is the first time I've received this email and the first time where an item was shipped without a tracking number....so strange!

I got my email at Fri, but the order status page show shiped and tracking # at Sat.

[Bunkhouse]

there is no tracking number on the order status page OR in the email. Same thing for me.

[ipxxx]

Same thing for me.

Hmm..thanks for confirming that I'm not crazy! :P
Hopefully it's at my work tomorrow!

[iamdman]

Status Shipment In Transit
Date/Time SEPTEMBER 8, 2008 AT 14:23
Depot TORONTO SORT CTR/CTR TRIE, ON
Tracking Phone # 1 888 SHIP-123 or 1-888-744-7123

Details:
2008/09/08 14:23 Shipment In Transit
2008/09/08 14:22 Picked up by Purolator
2008/09/05 17:30 In Transit in U.S.

Might get LCDs today!

[ipxxx]

Hmm..thanks for confirming that I'm not crazy! :P
Hopefully it's at my work tomorrow!

Strange...CC was charged, still no monitor and no tracking number
I guess I'll wait for it today and call tomorrow =(

[ipxxx]

Looks like Dell just updated the order page with a Purolator tracking number...and according to this I should have my monitor shortly!! =)

[Worldy]

I received my monitor this morning.

[ipxxx]

I received my monitor this morning.

Received it and trying to set it up now...
Setting the resolution to 1440x900 is causing some weird things to happen :\

[Tuppin]

I got my 42" Westinghouse today. It seems quite nice. It took some tinkering to get the picture settings optimal. The strange thing is that our previous TV in the bedroom was a dinosaur 32" Super frikkin heavy Sony trinitron and so all my remotes were set to the Sony codes....imagine my surprise when the Westy responded to the Sony codes!! I didn't have to change anything. Even our Sony DVD player remote which is not programmable but will control a Sony TV....worked with this Westy!

Now that it is set up I am quite happy. Feeding it via a Starchoice 505 satalite receiver DVI-HDMI.

I now have to tinker with the audio to get it where I want it.

BTW...it does have 4 HDMI inputs.

[ipxxx]

Received it and trying to set it up now...
Setting the resolution to 1440x900 is causing some weird things to happen :\

My Personal SE198WFP review...

Not too happy with the 19" LCD right now (connected via DVI)...could be my video card but I noticed the following using the Dell LCD as a secondary monitor:

1. Setting the resolution to 1440x900 does not appear to work correctly. For example, putting a Firefox browser on the Dell monitor when it is at this resolution actually stretches the browser window beyond the LCD itself...and 1440x900 is supposed to be the "Optimal" setting?

2. So I tried playing with the resolutions and 1152x864 seems to give me the clearest text...but it is still not as sharp as my primary monitor (a Viewsonic..21" (??))...

3. I ran Dead Pixel Buddy and it looks like I have two dead pixels... could be the video card however since I'm running a 7900GT which has been showing artifacts on my primary display because of its well known heat issues :\

Anyways...this LCD is going to my dad so it'll be good enough for him coming from a 17" CRT =) however I would not recommend it for anyone else looking for cheap displays - based on my experience so far anyways ;)

*** Update ***
So I wanted to see if maybe there was a problem with the 1440x900 resolution + DVI so I unhooked the monitor and threw on a DVI -> VGA adapter, hooked the monitor via VGA this time around and it appears that problem 1 and 2 have been resolved. Problem 3 seems to be on and off so I'll chalk it up to the video card...

Since my dad is using an old CRT anyways and his computer only uses VGA, this monitor is looking better now...it's too bad about the DVI.

*** Update 2 ***
I don't know if anyone else has this problem but even at 1440x900 (via VGA)...and vertical positioning set to 100...the bottom of my browser window is slightly cut off when fully maximized :\

[Bunkhouse]

Got the 19" LCD today. Hooked it up and everything looks great.

[ipxxx]

Got the 19" LCD today. Hooked it up and everything looks great.

Via VGA or DVI?

[Bunkhouse]

1440x900 & DVI