2009 Honda Civic DX-G hot deal? [Archive]

bloodylankan

Sep 26th, 2008, 10:53 AM

I got a 09 Civic DX-G for $24,400 on the road after all taxes including rust proof, undercoating and paint protection.

Was this a good deal or did I get ripped off?

I took this deal over a 09 Toyota Corolla S with just rust profing for about the same price ($23,800)

mohitk

Sep 26th, 2008, 11:11 AM

I know a 08 for 23500 without the rustproofing etc etc.. so go figure!

Kursor17

Sep 26th, 2008, 12:29 PM

With APA it's about $24 000 out the door without rust proof, undercoating and paint protection.

I got a 09 Civic DX-G for $24,400 on the road after all taxes including rust proof, undercoating and paint protection.

Was this a good deal or did I get ripped off?

I took this deal over a 09 Toyota Corolla S with just rust profing for about the same price ($23,800)

bloodylankan

Sep 26th, 2008, 12:33 PM

I guess I got a good deal than...the car cost before rust proofing and etc. was $23,800 on the road.

Im just wondering if i should have went with the Corolla deal instead...what you guys think?

sunnybono

Sep 26th, 2008, 12:41 PM

I guess I got a good deal than...the car cost before rust proofing and etc. was $23,800 on the road.

I'm sending you a PM in the next minute to tell you the deal that I got quoted from a Honda General Sales manager!!!!

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hotweiss

Sep 26th, 2008, 12:52 PM

For that same amount you can have an Impreza with a boxer engine and AWD.

SimSV

Sep 26th, 2008, 01:26 PM

For that same amount you can have an Impreza with a boxer engine and AWD.

Do you have to bring up the Impreza in every thread? :confused: I don't disagree that it's a decent car, but what is the significance of a boxer engine in this thread?

hotweiss

Sep 26th, 2008, 01:38 PM

Do you have to bring up the Impreza in every thread? :confused: I don't disagree that it's a decent car, but what is the significance of a boxer engine in this thread?

It's more powerful than the Corolla's and Civic's engine. It's one of the most durable engines in the world. It's easy to work on. It produces a nicer sound. It produces less vibration. It's "symmetrical", meaning it is positioned in the center, thus eliminating torque steer.

The new Impreza is seriously underrated, and that is why I post in threads were the OP is considering a similar car. If the OP test drives an Impreza, I'm sure that he'll agree.

movieman

Sep 26th, 2008, 02:07 PM

For that same amount you can have an Impreza with a boxer engine and AWD.

Can you really get that big a discount? From what I remember, base price for the cheapest Impreza on the road is over $26k.

malecoke

Sep 26th, 2008, 02:46 PM

i'd have taken the Corolla S anyday over the Civic.

The DX-G trim just screams cheap on the exterior vs the corolla S which has the body kits, spolier and nice allow wheels.

bloodylankan

Sep 26th, 2008, 03:10 PM

its not hard to add a body kit, and fog lights and etc...
besides the fact of the style and how the car looks...and since I got approx. the same deal..which car would have been the better deal for the price im paying?

VivienM

Sep 26th, 2008, 05:44 PM

I guess I got a good deal than...the car cost before rust proofing and etc. was $23,800 on the road.

So you paid $600 for total BS, basically?

VivienM

Sep 26th, 2008, 05:45 PM

Also, was this paid for in cash? If not... then what are the interest rates for the Civic and Corolla?

fatpig

Sep 26th, 2008, 05:56 PM

2009 Civics are on sale in Canada? I checked honda.ca and couldn't find any info on them.

bloodylankan

Sep 26th, 2008, 06:03 PM

I got invited to a special promotional day yesterday at formula honda..the sale was fore ONLY one day thats why i got this deal...i didnt even have to bargain with the guy.

and yes i did pay $600 for BS basically..but im financing it for 48months at 5.9% so the extra 600 didnt make much of a difference to my monthly payment.

malecoke

Sep 26th, 2008, 06:49 PM

hotweiss

Sep 26th, 2008, 07:19 PM

Can you really get that big a discount? From what I remember, base price for the cheapest Impreza on the road is over $26k.

Yes, they start at $21,000 now. For 09 the base model gets rear disc breaks and the VDC system... there's no need to upgrade to the sport package anymore.

VivienM

Sep 26th, 2008, 07:32 PM

and yes i did pay $600 for BS basically..but im financing it for 48months at 5.9% so the extra 600 didnt make much of a difference to my monthly payment.

Ummm... by my math, you're paying $14/month. Multiply by 48 months, and that's $672.

Do you really feel like giving your dealer $550 (their profit margin on this, probably), Honda Finance $72, and getting $50 worth of stuff?

movieman

Sep 26th, 2008, 09:18 PM

Yes, they start at $21,000 now. For 09 the base model gets rear disc breaks and the VDC system... there's no need to upgrade to the sport package anymore.

Yeah, but once you add delivery, tax, etc, that comes to just over $26k. I just went to subaru.ca, and the base-model Impreza with an auto box and engine/battery heater is $26,142.44; I guess manual would knock about $1000 off that.

bloodylankan

Sep 26th, 2008, 09:34 PM

Ummm... by my math, you're paying $14/month. Multiply by 48 months, and that's $672.

Do you really feel like giving your dealer $550 (their profit margin on this, probably), Honda Finance $72, and getting $50 worth of stuff?

yea I know I could have done rust proofing and etc for a lot less, but since is the first time I bought a brand new car I felt like id be a safer thing for the car to get the rust proofing done by them, and I know Honda's rust pretty easy so that was a big concern I had.

GoiNGPoSTaL

Sep 26th, 2008, 09:36 PM

It's more powerful than the Corolla's and Civic's engine. It's one of the most durable engines in the world. It's easy to work on. It produces a nicer sound. It produces less vibration. It's "symmetrical", meaning it is positioned in the center, thus eliminating torque steer.

The new Impreza is seriously underrated, and that is why I post in threads were the OP is considering a similar car. If the OP test drives an Impreza, I'm sure that he'll agree.

I drive a Subaru but all you're proving is that you can regurgitate their marketing tactics.

angel_wing0

Sep 26th, 2008, 11:07 PM

the 09 civics are out?! i see nothing on the honda.ca website --*

hotweiss

Sep 27th, 2008, 12:15 AM

I drive a Subaru but all you're proving is that you can regurgitate their marketing tactics.

Just drive one, you'll see why I am so evangelical...

GoiNGPoSTaL

Sep 27th, 2008, 06:40 AM

Just drive one, you'll see why I am so evangelical...

Guess you don't read either, I drive (ie. I have) a Subaru.

shawn99

Sep 27th, 2008, 08:18 AM

Are you indirectly saying that you are not happy with the Impreza, and all the marketing stuff, doesn't impress you?

hightech

Sep 27th, 2008, 10:46 AM

I drove an Impreza and it is not bad. My only concern is that Subaru does not have the best reliability according to JD Power. Toyota and Honda are both much better.

Personally, I prefer the Corolla because it is quieter. The Corolla steering, weak engine and sloppy braking are a concern to me. Honda Civic is a damn loud car, and you need to rev the hell out of the engine to get some power. I prefer to get power at low revs, then to pus engines in the 5,000 to 7,000 RPM levels. Having said that, the steering feel and braking (4 wheel disc) on the Civic is much better.

I also drove the Corolla XRS and that is a very nice car. Only problem is that 17" tires don't have good treadlife, and are very costly to replace.

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj218/hightechto/jdpower2008.jpg

VivienM

Sep 27th, 2008, 10:50 AM

I drove an Impreza and it is not bad. My only concern is that Subaru does not have the best reliability according to JD Power. Toyota and Honda are both much better.

That's JD Power initial quality, i.e. stuff breaking within 3 months.

Wouldn't their vehicle dependability study be a better measure?

GoiNGPoSTaL

Sep 27th, 2008, 11:04 AM

I own a Legacy and am happy with it and what it is but the stuff Hotweiss is spewing is just marketing crap. Case in point when he stated the "symmetrical" advantage (although Subaru's are not truely symmetical but very close), just because it's mounted in the middle does not make it symmetrical, that is just what the salesman tells you. And while the flat engine's design means it's not as tall as an inline or a "v" engine, it's also more prone to headgasket failure due to how it's made. Every car has it's advantages and disadvantages.

hotweiss

Sep 27th, 2008, 11:18 AM

randomdef

Sep 27th, 2008, 11:32 AM

... because we all know JD Power provides credible information. As you can see, Kia has better quality than BMW. :rolleyes:

Which I'm pretty sure is spot on. KIA is reliable, they have to be otherwise their brand would not grow.

movieman

Sep 27th, 2008, 11:48 AM

KIA is reliable, they have to be otherwise their brand would not grow.

Not according to anyone I know who's owned a Kia :).

hotweiss

Sep 27th, 2008, 11:49 AM

Not according to anyone I know who's owned a Kia :).

Exactly, now talk to a Subaru owner... Plus, initial quality means nothing...

TypeSHhhh

Sep 27th, 2008, 06:10 PM

Yes, they start at $21,000 now. For 09 the base model gets rear disc breaks and the VDC system... there's no need to upgrade to the sport package anymore.

if by VDC, u mean VSA? its only available in EX or higher

movieman

Sep 27th, 2008, 06:55 PM

if by VDC, u mean VSA? its only available in EX or higher

He's talking Subaru, not Honda.

engmsf

Sep 27th, 2008, 08:26 PM

Why do people here even consider a Civics or Colloras? Rip offs for the price of getting from point A to B. In my own view, small car demand small price and you are not getting that in these.

People who buy these are general price sensitive, and if that is the case, you are much better off moving to the domestics or Koreans.

movieman

Sep 27th, 2008, 09:12 PM

Why do people here even consider a Civics or Colloras?

Because they're reliable, reasonably priced and economical.

And, coming from the UK, I still don't get how the Civic is considered a 'small' car... by my standards it's huge.

People who buy these are general price sensitive, and if that is the case, you are much better off moving to the domestics or Koreans.

Not if you want something that spends more time on the road than at the dealership.

engmsf

Sep 27th, 2008, 10:34 PM

Because they're reliable, reasonably priced and economical.

Recent JD powers numbers shows that the number of issues between most of these small cars are similar.

The main difference in buying a Japanese versus a Domestic/Korean is money, and it is huge. Hard to justify $5000+ difference for a small car.

I repair my own cars so I never factor in maintenance cost - all of these cars are the same/easy to fix.

movieman

Sep 27th, 2008, 10:47 PM

Recent JD powers numbers shows that the number of issues between most of these small cars are similar.

And bear little resemblance to the experiences of people I know with their cars.

As has been pointed out, they refer to reported problems in the first three months, which will be fixed under warranty and might be as minor as a rattling noise somewhere (Minis, for example, apparently got a low score because of.. unreliable cupholders); Consumer Reports has very different numbers for long-term reliability on serious issues like engines or transmissions failing, which is what most buyers really care about.

My old Rover, for example, was a very reliable car, and nothing ever went wrong except that its engine blew up every six thousand miles; I guess JD Powers would have given it a pretty high rating.

VivienM

Sep 27th, 2008, 11:14 PM

As has been pointed out, they refer to reported problems in the first three months

JD Power does TWO studies: initial quality and vehicle dependability. The latter measures problems over 3 or 4 years...

movieman

Sep 27th, 2008, 11:22 PM

JD Power does TWO studies: initial quality and vehicle dependability. The latter measures problems over 3 or 4 years...

And if you read this thread, you'll see the JD Powers numbers posted here are the cupholder reliability studies, not long-term mechanical reliability.

movieman

Sep 27th, 2008, 11:29 PM

These appear to be the long-term figures:

http://wot.motortrend.com/6279645/miscellaneous/still-got-it-lexus-tops-jd-power-dependability-study-for-14th-year/index.html

They have Honda at 170-ish problems per 100 vehicles and Kia at 270-ish. They also have Landrover at the very bottom of the list... yet Landrovers are bought by people who are going to drive into parts of the world where an unreliable vehicle may well kill you rather than just leave you sitting at the dealership; so I can't help but feel that these figures aren't telling us much.

VivienM

Sep 27th, 2008, 11:55 PM

They also have Landrover at the very bottom of the list... yet Landrovers are bought by people who are going to drive into parts of the world where an unreliable vehicle may well kill you rather than just leave you sitting at the dealership; so I can't help but feel that these figures aren't telling us much.

But perhaps it's not the SAME Land Rover models that are on sale there...

movieman

Sep 28th, 2008, 01:16 AM

But perhaps it's not the SAME Land Rover models that are on sale there...

Well, indeed, and that's rather the point. Consumer Reports gives overall statistics for manufacturers, but also give statistics per model per year per type of problem; the JD Power figures people post here are purely per manufacturer with no information about which models are affected and whether it's a serious mechanical problem or a rattly cup-holder... so to me they seem useless.

If you built a car that exploded the instant it was driven away from the dealership you'd end up with 100 problems per 100 cars... which would put you at #1 on the long-term dependability list. But I doubt many people would want to buy one.

The page I posted a link to actually has a link to the JD Power press release, which says that five of the top ten reported problems are:

" 1. Excessive wind noise
2. Noisy brakes
3. Vehicle pulling to the left or right
4. Issues with the instrument panel/dashboard
5. Excessive window fogging"

Now, it's possible that some of those do indicate real mechanical problems, but many of them look more like nit-picking buyers than serious issues... kind of like the people I've known who bought convertibles and then complained that the wind messed up their hair.

engmsf

Sep 28th, 2008, 10:33 AM

JD power measure short term and long term. Look, if you don't believe in the data than that is fine. However it is the best source of data for non-subjective data on quality/reliability. Some of you are just discounting the data that shows small vehicles are very similar and just going by "word of mouth".

The discussion is the 09 Civic worth the price. My answer is a big fat NO NO NO. Are you willing to spend $5000+ more on this when you can get a similar car from a domestic or Korean manufacturer. You will never get this back on resale and maintenance savings (if any). Last I checked, GM is offering a powertrain warranty of 160000 km/5 Year. Similar with Korean products.