Diagonal arterial roads into Toronto core, a good idea?

[perplexed_one]

Well as a planning student I think it is a great idea for cutting down congestion and travel distances and times for people traveling to and from suburbs into the core. Paris and many other cities have made it work, so why not here?

The arteries would not be big (thus not requiring huge tracts of land to be given up for the project).

This of course would be complementary to the light rail and subway projects going on.

What do you think?

[gilboman]

Well as a planning student I think it is a great idea for cutting down congestion and travel distances and times for people traveling to and from suburbs into the core. Paris and many other cities have made it work, so why not here?

The arteries would not be big (thus not requiring huge tracts of land to be given up for the project).

This of course would be complementary to the light rail and subway projects going on.

What do you think?

horrible idea. the grid pattern is much more efficient. Paris and other cities have it because they are old cities and they didnt know better back then, so they are stuck with it.

[MizTEcK]

diagonal roads cut up land into inefficient areas for use

and they dont do much to ease traffic and congestion, planning a dense pedestrian city would be the way to solve traffic downtown, instead of changing road designs but still rely on cars

[gei]

cars suck. roads suck. adding more roads really sucks.

toronto won't be adding any major roads anytime in the future. drivers are at the bottom of the priority list.

[Stunt_101]

where do u take planning?

[perplexed_one]

horrible idea. the grid pattern is much more efficient. Paris and other cities have it because they are old cities and they didnt know better back then, so they are stuck with it.


i didn't say it wasn't efficient but we could use a few diagonal roads to cut congestion to the suburbs.


diagonal roads cut up land into inefficient areas for use

and they dont do much to ease traffic and congestion, planning a dense pedestrian city would be the way to solve traffic downtown, instead of changing road designs but still rely on cars

I'm not saying cutting up all the blocks up, just a few to accomodate a few arteries.


where do u take planning?

ryerson

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im not saying that is the only solution, it's complementary to the public transit projects, the pedestrian pet projects (such as yonge/dundas diagonal crossings).

Please explain how it is a horrible idea with good proof. just because you think it is doesn't make it so.

[perplexed_one]

cars suck. roads suck. adding more roads really sucks.

toronto won't be adding any major roads anytime in the future. drivers are at the bottom of the priority list.

im a realist. you know as well as I do, people will continue to drive cars until the tap is dry, and when that time comes the transit system won't be able to accomodate sh1t, hell it is overcrowded as it is right now.

[Piccolo]

horrible idea. the grid pattern is much more efficient. Paris and other cities have it because they are old cities and they didnt know better back then, so they are stuck with it.


diagonal roads cut up land into inefficient areas for use

and they dont do much to ease traffic and congestion, planning a dense pedestrian city would be the way to solve traffic downtown, instead of changing road designs but still rely on cars
Not a good idea.
The land would decrease significantly and it would be an inefficent solution to traffic in downtown toronto. The city should invest in more bike lanes and bike paths and clean up the already exsisting bike paths during the winder so they are usable (yes there are bike commuters throughout the winter) . The city also needs to promote public transit and improve the public image of the TTC, instead of the disgust and hatred people have for it now. The GO train helps to decrease the commuter traffic.

To decrease to downtown Toronto traffic, alternative transportation and car pooling is the way to do it~IMHO.

[branat]

Roads are designed for safety as well. There are winding roads in boon dock areas for no good reason except to stop people driving too fast. Think of the PEI bridge.

[Setz]

Arterial roads would enable ambulances, firetrucks, etc to expedite their services.

[ibanker]

easier way would be to not work in the core and open hubs in diff parts of the city

[Piccolo]

Roads are designed for safety as well. There are winding roads in boon dock areas for no good reason except to stop people driving too fast. Think of the PEI bridge.
I thought the winding roads were more because horse and buggy routes were just paved over. i.e. Waterloo/Kitchener ON. What boon dock areas? What does widing Roads have to do with the PEI bridge? (Confederation Bridge) That thing is long and straight with a slight curve that isn't going to make a difference.

[branat]

Boon dock areas = anything out side the epic centre of Toronto. :cheesygri

Many new areas, north of Toronto, have long winding roads even where there is no good reason for it. Even within a new sub division, the main arteries are winding. I am sure the city planners can appropriate the lands to make straight streets if they want to in a new division.

I heard/read somewhere that the PEI bridge was designed with curves to avoid excess speeding and keep the drivers alert.

[Topher]

The problem isn't a need for more roads. It's for more efficient usage of the roads we have.

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[kimbot]

What year are you at ryerson?

[barold]

Hmmm. let's see - expropriate land from toronto city dwellers to make it easier for suburban access by car. First of all it would be extremely costly,hugely unpopular with the NIMBY set (see the Allen Expressway? ) and thirdly, what does it hope to accomplish? More cars in the downtown core?