2009 Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart

[pe7er]

Hi, I been looking into buying this car. I'm just wondering what everyone's opinion on it (from buyers would be a plus) and whether it's worth it. I went to Wolfe Mitsubishi (in Langley, BC) to get a quote for one.

Base price is $34,993 but I'm adding the premium package for $5000 (includes leather, sun roof, 650 watt stereo, FAST key, auto rain wipers, and the 30GB HDD Navigation system).

Total price is $39,993. With GST, PST, and destination it's $45,468. I'm going for a 60/84 month term finance with $13,622.39 left after 60 months and 4.8% interest. Comes to about $274.95 bi-weekly payments. I wonder if this is too unreasonable for the Ralliart and a Mitsubishi in general. I haven't talked them down or negotiated at all. this was just a quick quote to see how much it would cost.

I'm putting $3000 down on the car.

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I wasn't on planning on buying something that expensive (Not that I couldn't afford it, I just didn't want to pay so much for car). Originally I was looking at new and used cars for around $28,000-$35,000 but I was attracted to a new Mitsubishi because of their 60/84 financing. If I did get a different car it would probably won't be as much as the Ralliart and be in my original price range.

[coriolis]

Definitely negotiate, at that price, you can get other cars that can be defined as better. Need a bit more information on your side though.

[M-e-X-x]

why not check out the WRX265 in that price range? more power and a bit cheaper

[hotweiss]

Yes, plus the 09 STI is starting at 39,995. The WRX does 0 - 100 in 4.7 seconds! I'd definitely go with a Subbie.

[Sepiraph]

Have you consider importing? :?: Also some Evo members are selling their GSR (unless u want the MR), check on Evo board.

[booblehead]

Car & Driver just came out a comparison review on this car + a few others in the same category.

check it out yourself ... your car came in last in the review ...

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison_test/sedans/chevy_cobalt_ss_vs_09_wrx_mazdaspeed_3_and_four_ot her_sport_compacts_comparison_test



Hi, I been looking into buying this car. I'm just wondering what everyone's opinion on it (from buyers would be a plus) and whether it's worth it. I went to Wolfe Mitsubishi (in Langley, BC) to get a quote for one.

Base price is $34,993 but I'm adding the premium package for $5000 (includes leather, sun roof, 650 watt stereo, FAST key, auto rain wipers, and the 30GB HDD Navigation system).

Total price is $39,993. With GST, PST, and destination it's $45,468. I'm going for a 60/84 month term finance with $13,622.39 left after 60 months and 4.8% interest. Comes to about $274.95 bi-weekly payments. I wonder if this is too unreasonable for the Ralliart and a Mitsubishi in general. I haven't talked them down or negotiated at all. this was just a quick quote to see how much it would cost.

I'm putting $3000 down on the car.

edit
I wasn't on planning on buying something that expensive (Not that I couldn't afford it, I just didn't want to pay so much for car). Originally I was looking at new and used cars for around $28,000-$35,000 but I was attracted to a new Mitsubishi because of their 60/84 financing. If I did get a different car it would probably won't be as much as the Ralliart and be in my original price range.

[pe7er]

I was thinking about getting a Subaru but I'm not really liking their current design. Any owners out there want to give a shout out about the car? The price they've negotiated?

[Emancipated]

Yes, plus the 09 STI is starting at 39,995. The WRX does 0 - 100 in 4.7 seconds! I'd definitely go with a Subbie.

You'd have to be skilled like McCrae was to pull a 4.7.

[evanx]

Definitely negotiate, you can get a base ralliart for well below msrp. The premium package isn't worth it in my opinion.

[camber]

You'd have to be skilled like McCrae was to pull a 4.7.

Not really... You just have to willing to drop the clutch from high rpms and bear with the wear and tear from those types of launchs.

Anyways, $39.9K is way too expensive for a Ralliart Lancer. I would make the jump to EVO at that price point or look at the STI or 265 WRX.

[ES_Revenge]

Base price is $34,993 but I'm adding the premium package for $5000 (includes leather, sun roof, 650 watt stereo, FAST key, auto rain wipers, and the 30GB HDD Navigation system).
I wouldn't add nav for $5000--auto wipers aren't really that necessary, "650W" is proabably nonsense* (like on most factory systems), keyless start (if that's what that is) is gimmicky IMO. Please tell me you can get the roof without that package though?

*Though the 650W rating is surely a peak rating and meaningless as stated, I will say that the Fosgate systems in Mitsubishis are among the better stoctory audio systems out there (and yes this includes many so-called "premium" systems in luxury cars.


Total price is $39,993. With GST, PST, and destination it's $45,468. I'm going for a 60/84 month term finance with $13,622.39 left after 60 months and 4.8% interest. Comes to about $274.95 bi-weekly payments. I wonder if this is too unreasonable for the Ralliart and a Mitsubishi in general. I haven't talked them down or negotiated at all. this was just a quick quote to see how much it would cost.
Emphasis added.

Well start negotiating already! :D


I wasn't on planning on buying something that expensive (Not that I couldn't afford it, I just didn't want to pay so much for car). Originally I was looking at new and used cars for around $28,000-$35,000 but I was attracted to a new Mitsubishi because of their 60/84 financing. If I did get a different car it would probably won't be as much as the Ralliart and be in my original price range.
Actually I would stay away from balloon financing (which is what that 60/84 thing is), it's not really a good idea. You're better off leasing instead IMO (unless the lease rate is a lot higher).


Car & Driver just came out a comparison review on this car + a few others in the same category.

check it out yourself ... your car came in last in the review ...

Yeah but that doesn't mean much. I mean the GTI came in second... While I love the GTI, it seems kind of strange the way they placed cars in this comparo. The Lancer was still 2nd fastest in the 0-60 but they complain about how it starts losing out by 100MPH. LOL 100MPH. How important is it to get to 160km/h faster than the next guy on public roads? Then they complained about the rear wing on the Ralliart :rolleyes: Old-man much there? C'mon this is a boy-racer car, you can't complain about stuff like that.

They complain that the Lancer is too pricey but then it's like they forgot about the AWD and double-clutch trans they just praised it for. Hello! Automated manual doesn't come for free C&D!

Also strange is how they go on about the Cobalt SS not getting a good 0-60 time for two reasons:
-not enough traction (understandable given 260hp and FWD)
-they didn't use the SWOL feature because they claim their procedure "requires" them to close the throttle and clutch :rolleyes: (WTF? I mean did they close the throttle everytime they upshifted the dual-clutch gearbox in the Lancer? Stupid reasoning not to use the SWOL on the SS. They should be using whatever features the car has to accelerate quicker. They don't get in an M5 and leave it in 400hp mode and say 'oh we didn't enable 500hp mode because it wasn't the "procedure" that we did on other cars'", so why be ******* about the Cobalt SS' features???)

Seems like the editors were smoking some grass or something, producing the results here.


You'd have to be skilled like McCrae was to pull a 4.7.
No kidding, not to mention the wear on the clutch as noted by C&D who apparently did a redline dump to get that time.** Meanwhile the Ralliart has a dual-clutch gearbox, which requires a lot less skill to shift quickly and will still shift more quickly than any human.

**Points again to more retardedness by C&D. They are willing to dump the clutch on the WRX @ redline and they clearly didn't do that on other cars; but, they still refused to use the SWOL on the Cobalt? I'm sure a redline dump isn't "procedure" so why is that fair game and SWOL not? Seriously these guys had to be smoking something, producing this one.

[mikeycanuk]

I briefly took a look at the Ralliart but the fact is you are paying $3000 of the $5000 package just for for navigation system. I'll bet they drop the Nav into an option all it's own in 2010 as they did the 09 Lancer.

[zydus]

Have you consider importing? :?: Also some Evo members are selling their GSR (unless u want the MR), check on Evo board.

Which evo board? evoxforums.com? or evolutionm.net?

[golden]

$45k+ on a Lancer Ralliart?? You must be kidding me. If you can afford it, why go with such long balloon financing? In this kind of market, you have all the power to negotiate. Don't think it's worth anything north of $40k out the door. The $5k is a waste, might as well spend $2k upgrading your stereo if you want better sound. Anyway, I would never pay that much for a Lancer, unless it's the real deal Evo.

[Sewert]

Go for teh Subie... you won't be disappointed.

My first one was an 04 WRX (which is now my DD) I also have a 91 legacy (for TSD rallies) and recently bough an 02 WRX that's being prepped for pro rally...

the ONLY Mitsu I'd ever consider is an AWD EVO... and even then the 'fluffy' styling changes they've made are not appealing to me... I'd import an EVO from the states (same thing I did with my Subie)!

God luck!

[M-e-X-x]

Go for teh Subie... you won't be disappointed.

My first one was an 04 WRX (which is now my DD) I also have a 91 legacy (for TSD rallies) and recently bough an 02 WRX that's being prepped for pro rally...

the ONLY Mitsu I'd ever consider is an AWD EVO... and even then the 'fluffy' styling changes they've made are not appealing to me... I'd import an EVO from the states (same thing I did with my Subie)!

God luck!

Wingless, is that you?

[pe7er]

I wouldn't add nav for $5000--auto wipers aren't really that necessary, "650W" is proabably nonsense* (like on most factory systems), keyless start (if that's what that is) is gimmicky IMO. Please tell me you can get the roof without that package though?

*Though the 650W rating is surely a peak rating and meaningless as stated, I will say that the Fosgate systems in Mitsubishis are among the better stoctory audio systems out there (and yes this includes many so-called "premium" systems in luxury cars.

I decided not to waste $5000 on the premium package. The only reason why I wanted it was the FAST key and sound system. I don't really care about leather, sunroof, and navigation.



Actually I would stay away from balloon financing (which is what that 60/84 thing is), it's not really a good idea. You're better off leasing instead IMO (unless the lease rate is a lot higher).


Ya, I will probably end up just doing a 60 month finance.

Thanks Revenge and everyone else. I am going this saturday to possibly buy it. I will come back with how it went. Hopefully I can talk them down a good amount.

[mikeycanuk]

spend $2k upgrading your stereo if you want better sound. .

The Lancer doesn't have a standard Din, the deck is part of the dashboard. Stupid if you ask me. But then it does prevent you from dropping silly $ on stereo equipment like I did on my Matrix XRS. :o

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

You should probably hold back on the Subaru until they sort out that whole engine-spin-bearing-at-1000-miles thing they've got with the 2.5l turbos.

Just buy the Cobalt SS.

[camber]

Also strange is how they go on about the Cobalt SS not getting a good 0-60 time for two reasons:
-not enough traction (understandable given 260hp and FWD)
-they didn't use the SWOL feature because they claim their procedure "requires" them to close the throttle and clutch (WTF? I mean did they close the throttle everytime they upshifted the dual-clutch gearbox in the Lancer? Stupid reasoning not to use the SWOL on the SS. They should be using whatever features the car has to accelerate quicker. They don't get in an M5 and leave it in 400hp mode and say 'oh we didn't enable 500hp mode because it wasn't the "procedure" that we did on other cars'", so why be ******* about the Cobalt SS' features???)

Seems like the editors were smoking some grass or something, producing the results here.


**Points again to more retardedness by C&D. They are willing to dump the clutch on the WRX @ redline and they clearly didn't do that on other cars; but, they still refused to use the SWOL on the Cobalt? I'm sure a redline dump isn't "procedure" so why is that fair game and SWOL not? Seriously these guys had to be smoking something, producing this one.

I don't know if it mattered.

R&T used LC and SWOL and got pretty much the same results as C&D.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/1108_turbos_comparisonchart.pdf

[ES_Revenge]

You should probably hold back on the Subaru until they sort out that whole engine-spin-bearing-at-1000-miles thing they've got with the 2.5l turbos.

Are you serious? Please tell me that an isolated (1 car) incident? 1000 miles and a spun bearing? Ouch!


I don't know if it mattered.

R&T used LC and SWOL and got pretty much the same results as C&D.

Ah, I see. Still I find the reasoning given by C&D to be ********. And, in fact, I find a lot of that comparo to be ******** :lol: Usually I think C&D road tests/reviews are quite good, but this one? I dunno.

[Sepiraph]

Which evo board? evoxforums.com? or evolutionm.net?

evolutionm.net, don't have the seller link though.

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

Are you serious? Please tell me that an isolated (1 car) incident? 1000 miles and a spun bearing? Ouch!

Don't you remember?


IMMEDIATE STOP SALE ORDER
TO: GLR-- MAR-- NWR-- SCR-- SDC-- SWR Dealers
FROM: Subaru of America, Inc.
DEPARTMENT: Service
DATE: 04/07/2008

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Legacy vehicles have been added to the Stop Sale

We regret to inform you that we must place an immediate stop sale order on all of the 2008/2009 Subaru Impreza, Forester and Legacy vehicles equipped with a 2.5L Turbo Engine produced with the beginning chassis number and later as shown below.

Model
Body Type
Chassis Number
Production Date

Forester Wagon 701045 or later 2008/01/08 or later

Legacy 2.5GT-LTD 222825 or later 2008/02/04 or later
2.5GT-B 222958 or later 2008/02/04 or later
OBK 2.5XT-LTD 353835 or later 2008/02/01 or later

Impreza Sedan 523363 or later 2008/01/08 or later
Wagon 825183 or later 2008/01/08 or later


The reason for this immediate Quality Assurance action is that there have been several reports of “Engine Knocking Noise” from other markets on vehicles produced after the production dates listed.

Initial investigation confirms an internal wear issue on the failed units.

In the interest of preventing any possibility of failures for our customers, we have chosen to isolate any potentially affected vehicles by ceasing sales of the potentially affected units until the root cause and correction can be identified.

All the other displacement engines and the 2.5L Natural Aspirated Engine are excluded from this action.

Your region/distributor will be contacting you with a detailed list of affected vehicles assigned to your dealership. However, dealer trades cannot be tracked so please be aware of the affected VIN range.

If you have a vehicle in inventory that falls into the affected vehicle range, please ensure that your sales and service staff are immediately notified that the unit is un-saleable until further notice from SOA or your region/distributor.

If any of those vehicles has an unusual engine noise, please notify the SOA Technical Helpline immediately with all of the details and submit an E-QMR.

Should a customer bring an affected vehicle into your service department for an unusual engine noise, please immediately arrange that they are given the use of a clean SSLP vehicle and notify the Technical Helpline and submit an E-QMR.

You will be contacted shortly thereafter on how to proceed.

Autoblog:
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/07/subaru-issues-stop-sale-on-all-models-equipped-with-turbod-2/

Here's the rambling thread on NASIOC:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1487482

Video of 2009 WRX with spun bearing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvxaR7HSmWc

[evanx]

Ya, I will probably end up just doing a 60 month finance.

Thanks Revenge and everyone else. I am going this saturday to possibly buy it. I will come back with how it went. Hopefully I can talk them down a good amount.

Let us know how you managed to knock the price! :D

By most accounts, the 2009 Lancer Ralliart is pretty much fun to drive. Edmunds had a good review (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=127586) and the car did okay in the comparison article (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=128908). Performance wise, it can't match up with better spec-ed cars due to the below-average stock tires (affects braking) and weight from the EVOIX derived AWD system (affects speed).

[neospice]

Mitsu is giving $1000 best buy gift card and no payment for 90 days which is pretty decent for December.

I have a WRX 265 and it kicks butt but my cousin is considering the ralliart so his GF can drive it as well (auto mode). We did a test drive and the ralliart is really fun to drive as well but the WRX is slightly faster. The ralliart has less suspension roll and better seats but the WRX comes with sunroof and summer tires standard. The SST transmission is also limiting if you decide to do some mods in that there is a torque limit that the ECU kicks in. The Subie is also better on gas. Either way, I think you can't go wrong with either car.

[camber]

Don't you remember?



Autoblog:
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/07/subaru-issues-stop-sale-on-all-models-equipped-with-turbod-2/

Here's the rambling thread on NASIOC:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1487482

Video of 2009 WRX with spun bearing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvxaR7HSmWc


I haven't heard of any newer '09s with this issue. Supposedly bad batch of piston rings.

Cars that got the rings were the late build '08s and earlier build '09s.

[mebiuspower]

Thanks for supporting the our economy.

[pe7er]

Thanks for supporting the our economy.

Are you being sarcastic?


Let us know how you managed to knock the price! :D

By most accounts, the 2009 Lancer Ralliart is pretty much fun to drive. Edmunds had a good review (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=127586) and the car did okay in the comparison article (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=128908). Performance wise, it can't match up with better spec-ed cars due to the below-average stock tires (affects braking) and weight from the EVOIX derived AWD system (affects speed).


Mitsu is giving $1000 best buy gift card and no payment for 90 days which is pretty decent for December.

I have a WRX 265 and it kicks butt but my cousin is considering the ralliart so his GF can drive it as well (auto mode). We did a test drive and the ralliart is really fun to drive as well but the WRX is slightly faster. The ralliart has less suspension roll and better seats but the WRX comes with sunroof and summer tires standard. The SST transmission is also limiting if you decide to do some mods in that there is a torque limit that the ECU kicks in. The Subie is also better on gas. Either way, I think you can't go wrong with either car.

Performance isn't hugely important for me. I find the exterior and interior (even though some internet sites would disagree) are really nice. I was looking for a compact sort sedans with AWD and a bit of punch under the hood. In the end the Ralliart's looks trumped the WRX's performance.

So it looks like I'm going to be only one in this forum who's going to own one, unless Ralliart owners aren't speaking up. I was hoping at least one other person bought it so I can get some idea of a good purchase price and their opinion of it.

[neospice]

Are you being sarcastic?





Performance isn't hugely important for me. I find the exterior and interior (even though some internet sites would disagree) are really nice. I was looking for a compact sort sedans with AWD and a bit of punch under the hood. In the end the Ralliart's looks trumped the WRX's performance.

So it looks like I'm going to be only one in this forum who's going to own one, unless Ralliart owners aren't speaking up. I was hoping at least one other person bought it so I can get some idea of a good purchase price and their opinion of it.

My cousin is probably going to get it for sure... I think the offer he got and might go with is $550/month on 72 months with $3000 down.

[camber]

So it looks like I'm going to be only one in this forum who's going to own one, unless Ralliart owners aren't speaking up. I was hoping at least one other person bought it so I can get some idea of a good purchase price and their opinion of it.

If your going to buy one, push for a much better deal. Cars aren't selling, especially the Ralliart, you should be able to get a much better deal.

[pe7er]

Anyone know the invoice price of this bad boy?

[djv]

I'd like to know what invoice is as well. BTW, MSRP has dropped to $32,998.

[coriolis]

They've yet to add it to CCC last I've checked.