I think my neighbour has a marijuana grow-op...

[gekkexx]

Now thinking that your neighbour has a marijuana grow-op is weird, but allow me to explain:

About 3 years ago or so, we had neighbours (immediate neighbours to one side of our house) that moved in. At first there was a family living there, but as time went on, we never saw any of them again, except for some guy that would come in every now and again to cut the lawn and put out the trash. But it was apparant that there was no one living in the house, cause there were no cars or anything.

At that point, I remember me and my brother would often remark that how do you afford to live in a house that you don't actually live in. We thought that that was pretty weird. And at one point, we even joked that it was probably a marijuana grow-op, but never really thought much of it. It got to the point where we would use our neighbours driveway as an additional car park for our cars cause they were just NEVER there.

So, one day, I woke up to 5 police cars around my neighbours house. So I go outside wondering what its all about, and the cop explains that they were growing marijuana on two levels and then they started bringing out the stuff in garbage bags.

Anyways, that was the first house.

Now Im thinking that its happening again but this time with the neighbours across the street from us. Again, its the same story all over. There used to be a family living there, but as time goes on, we only ever see one guy who comes to clear leaves, or put out the trash. And in the winter time, normally people shovel their driveways after a dumping, but like a week will pass by before their driveway is shovelled and there is always the same 2 cars that are always parked in their driveway but never move. And all the lights in the house are on all the time to make it *appear* that there is someone living there.

What would you do in this situation?

[tonyth]

stop snitching now they cant get their kids through college! Kidding. Inform the cops.

[doggy]

i'd go up to them while they're cutting the grass and be like 'yo dawg, you got a twenty?'

[pkguy]

Good grief, more originality, another "I think my neighbor post "



YAWN ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[Jyeatbvg69]

Just watch out for your house...seems like they`re targeting your area

wait wat

[AcidBomber]

lol it happened before? what area do you live in...?

think you should call the non-emergency Police line and inform them of your suspicion.

[cheapmeister]

Check the power meter on the side of the house to see if they are using tonnes of current. Call the cops pronto:!: What neighbourhood is this?

[_Allan_]

416-808-2222
Call Toronto Police Communications.
They will patched you through to the right department.

[Rehan]

Does their roof have a lot less snow than the rest of the houses on the street?

[MacGyver]

You could also call Crime Stoppers.

[laptop-tech]

Ontario is a good "place to grow".

[gekkexx]

Check the power meter on the side of the house to see if they are using tonnes of current. Call the cops pronto:!: What neighbourhood is this?

I haven't done this yet, cause I wouldn't know when would be the best time to stroll over across the street and look at their power meter. But anyways, I remember with the first grow-op, they apparantly somehow changed something with the power meter. Or at least thats what the guys said when they came to cut the electricity to the house.


Does their roof have a lot less snow than the rest of the houses on the street?

Thats a good observation to make, but I haven't been regularly keeping an eye on this.

[user01]

Call the police to check out, it's the only choice you can go for if you want to know the answer... :|:|:|

[CanadianMike]

http://www.ajarn.com/images/snitch.gif

[Hairball]

What is with all the "stop snitching" posts? I understand there might be a chance for retribution, but we shouldn't necessarily be turning a blind eye to crime.

But it seems like the police know anyway from what you're saying.

[wisdom_kid]

Does their roof have a lot less snow than the rest of the houses on the street?

+1

One of the things to look out for.

[sexpuppet6000]

Where the heck do you live? :razz:

[randomdef]

What is with all the "stop snitching" posts? I understand there might be a chance for retribution, but we shouldn't necessarily be turning a blind eye to crime.
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welcome to high school.

[CSK'sMom]

Definitely report it and let the police decide if it is indeed a grow-op or the worst a drug lab. People should be reporting these for a couple of reasons other than it's illegal. If you're a property owner it can significantly decrease your property value. Because of the bypassing electricity for grow-ops it's really dangerous and a fire hazard. If it's a drug lab the chemicals used are pretty highly explosive so again, it's a hazard to others in the neighborhood...

[CanadianMike]

What is with all the "stop snitching" posts? I understand there might be a chance for retribution, but we shouldn't necessarily be turning a blind eye to crime.
tongue in cheek just due to the non-threatening nature of this alleged crime.

future threads: 'I think my neighbour is using counterfeit garbage tags'.....'I think my neighbour is using an illegal satellite system'

[Nikita]

What is with all the "stop snitching" posts? I understand there might be a chance for retribution, but we shouldn't necessarily be turning a blind eye to crime.

But it seems like the police know anyway from what you're saying.

Weren't you taught as a kid not to tattle-tale? I think most of us were...by adults. Now that we've become adults, and most adults are still teaching their children not to be tattle-tales, we're expected to be just that. It's a little confusing and a legitimate issue, especially if you were raised to 'not tattle-tale'. Sometimes it's necessary, sometimes it's just the right thing to do, but that doesn't make it an easy thing to do. Most people don't want to get involved in crap like this. Right, wrong or in between, it's a legitimate concern.

[gekkexx]

What is with all the "stop snitching" posts? I understand there might be a chance for retribution, but we shouldn't necessarily be turning a blind eye to crime.

But it seems like the police know anyway from what you're saying.

+1

I know, actually, I never called the police on anyone. I really do not appreciate all the 'stop snitching' posts.

For all you who are telling me to stop snitching, would you let crime rule your neighbourhood?

[pierrefleur]

Leave them alone.

[gekkexx]

Definitely report it and let the police decide if it is indeed a grow-op or the worst a drug lab. People should be reporting these for a couple of reasons other than it's illegal. If you're a property owner it can significantly decrease your property value. Because of the bypassing electricity for grow-ops it's really dangerous and a fire hazard. If it's a drug lab the chemicals used are pretty highly explosive so again, it's a hazard to others in the neighborhood...


Weren't you taught as a kid not to tattle-tale? I think most of us were...by adults. Now that we've become adults, and most adults are still teaching their children not to be tattle-tales, we're expected to be just that. It's a little confusing and a legitimate issue, especially if you were raised to 'not tattle-tale'. Sometimes it's necessary, sometimes it's just the right thing to do, but that doesn't make it an easy thing to do. Most people don't want to get involved in crap like this. Right, wrong or in between, it's a legitimate concern.

There is a dilemma between wanting to call the cops, but then not wanting to get involved and having crime take over. I mean, obviously, I do not want them to know I had anything to do with alerting the cops.

[CanadianMike]

For all you who are telling me to stop snitching, would you let crime rule your neighbourhood?
you seem to be taking that position.

if its such a no brainer, why have you not called the police yet? :confused:

[Peckerwood]

What would you do in this situation?
Mind my own business.

[baouong]

mind your own buisness

[Hairball]

tongue in cheek just due to the non-threatening nature of this alleged crime.

future threads: 'I think my neighbour is using counterfeit garbage tags'.....'I think my neighbour is using an illegal satellite system'

Perhaps it's non-threatening to just be growing pot, but do you necessarily think drug dealers are a friendly a bunch? It's certainly something to be concerned about.


Weren't you taught as a kid not to tattle-tale? I think most of us were...by adults. Now that we've become adults, and most adults are still teaching their children not to be tattle-tales, we're expected to be just that. It's a little confusing and a legitimate issue, especially if you were raised to 'not tattle-tale'. Sometimes it's necessary, sometimes it's just the right thing to do, but that doesn't make it an easy thing to do. Most people don't want to get involved in crap like this. Right, wrong or in between, it's a legitimate concern.

I understand it is probably difficult to report someone, but sometimes you have to. But in order to fight crime it is important to communicate.

[pierrefleur]

A major grow-up could be an issue really...

Now would you call the cops if you see a neighbor growing one harmless mj plant inside his house?

[Nikita]

There is a dilemma between wanting to call the cops, but then not wanting to get involved and having crime take over. I mean, obviously, I do not want them to know I had anything to do with alerting the cops.

And therein lies the real dilemma. In this kind of case, if in fact you call police and based on your information they take them down and charges are laid, you are now a witness, you will be known to the growers/accuseds and you may have to testify. So, if you're going to do it yet fear for your safety, do it the safest way...through TIPS or Crimestoppers. Those programs allow you to give info anonomously and you'll never be called to testify, nor will your name appear in any disclosure documents.

[pierrefleur]

And therein lies the real dilemma. In this kind of case, if in fact you call police and based on your information they take them down and charges are laid, you are now a witness, you will be known to the growers/accuseds and you may have to testify. So, if you're going to do it yet fear for your safety, do it the safest way...through TIPS or Crimestoppers. Those programs allow you to give info anonomously and you'll never be called to testify, nor will your name appear in any disclosure documents.

Why would he have to testify? The evidence is all in the house, is there a need for a witness in a case like that? :?:

[Johan Liebert]

Is the first house your talking about the McNicoll area across that public school? I'm pretty sure helicopters go around the area sometime with thermal imaging scans now a days.

[Nikita]

Why would he have to testify? The evidence is all in the house, is there a need for a witness in a case like that? :?:

Oh if only trials were that easy....lol. But they never are.

Because to get into the house to find the drug evidence, the police need reasonable grounds to get a search warrant. If the OP's report is what they based their search on, he/she will be called to testify. Even if it isn't, any decent Crown is going to call all the evidence they have to prove their case. What the OP witnessed IS evidence. There's no reason for a Crown to leave it out.

[pierrefleur]

Oh if only trials were that easy....lol. But they never are.

Because to get into the house to find the drug evidence, the police need reasonable grounds to get a search warrant. If the OP's report is what they based their search on, he/she will be called to testify. Even if it isn't, any decent Crown is going to call all the evidence they have to prove their case. What the OP witnessed IS evidence. There's no reason for a Crown to leave it out.

But the OP hasn't witnessed anything, he only suspects. Is that enough for a search warrant?

[edgedamage]

What is with all the "stop snitching" posts? I understand there might be a chance for retribution, but we shouldn't necessarily be turning a blind eye to crime.

But it seems like the police know anyway from what you're saying.

That's what happens when mommy lets little johnny use the computer.

[CanadianMike]

mind my own business.
+1

[snider]

Can't believe nobody's asked this yet. Are they Asian? Not a deciding factor but the chances are somewhat higher if they were.

[orispanerai]

What's with the "no snitching" and MYOB replies. Grow-ops are not the same thing as illegal satellites or garbage tags. I never heard of a house catching on fire from illegal satellites (though I guess it is possible, just not as common).

Who wants drug dealers in their neighbourhood? Sure, everyone breaks the law, but to a minor degree, and doesn't affect the safety of other people.

Just give a tip to crime stoppers and see what happens.

[edgedamage]

Leave them alone.
And if a rival gang went to do a ripoff and used guns. And a stray bullet goes into someones house killing a mother feeding her infant. As for stray bullets entering houses ask the children how they felt when their dad got killed in front of them in their living room a few years ago in Scarborough.

[AmberMoon]

You best bet is to report your suspicions and allow the police to investigate. Its a crime and if it is a grow OP it could cause harm to your neighbors and or your family. report your concerns as a anonymous neighbor.

[CanadianMike]

What's with the "no snitching" and MYOB replies. Grow-ops are not the same thing as illegal satellites or garbage tags. I never heard of a house catching on fire from illegal satellites (though I guess it is possible, just not as common).
well, you're trying to claim that 'no snitching/MYOB' applies to illegal satellites/garbage tags....but somehow a grow op crosses this line youve invented within illegality, that makes it somehow 'extra illegal'? :confused:

Sure, everyone breaks the law, but to a minor degree, and doesn't affect the safety of other people.
ah, i see how it works now.

when others break the law - its 'major crime', its a risk to the safety of others, its a serious matter, etc.

when YOU break the law - its 'minor crime', its no risk to others, its no concern, etc.

:rolleyes:.....:lol:

[Nikita]

But the OP hasn't witnessed anything, he only suspects. Is that enough for a search warrant?



Now Im thinking that its happening again but this time with the neighbours across the street from us. Again, its the same story all over. There used to be a family living there, but as time goes on, we only ever see one guy who comes to clear leaves, or put out the trash. And in the winter time, normally people shovel their driveways after a dumping, but like a week will pass by before their driveway is shovelled and there is always the same 2 cars that are always parked in their driveway but never move. And all the lights in the house are on all the time to make it *appear* that there is someone living there.
What would you do in this situation?

That is evidence that he has witnessed. And it's important evidence. And yes it will be called IF the OP calls police in any way other than anonymously.

No, alone, it probably isn't grounds for a search warrant. But put it together with other evidence the police may have and it becomes part of the evidence relied on for a warrant. Even if it isn't used for that reason, he has witnessed facts that a Crown will want/need for a tight case. In fact, there's a whole lot more information in those few statements than meets the eye. Oh yeah, that evidence will be called.

[gman]

Weren't you taught as a kid not to tattle-tale? I think most of us were...by adults. Now that we've become adults, and most adults are still teaching their children not to be tattle-tales, we're expected to be just that. It's a little confusing and a legitimate issue, especially if you were raised to 'not tattle-tale'. Sometimes it's necessary, sometimes it's just the right thing to do, but that doesn't make it an easy thing to do. Most people don't want to get involved in crap like this. Right, wrong or in between, it's a legitimate concern.

Nope! When I was a kid, I was taught to tell your parents, teachers, etc if you notice there is any wrong-doing. Different culture. It is the kids themselves do not want to do that.

[pierrefleur]

That is evidence that he has witnessed. And it's important evidence. And yes it will be called IF the OP calls police in any way other than anonymously.

No, alone, it probably isn't grounds for a search warrant. But put it together with other evidence the police may have and it becomes part of the evidence relied on for a warrant. Even if it isn't used for that reason, he has witnessed facts that a Crown will want/need for a tight case. In fact, there's a whole lot more information in those few statements than meets the eye. Oh yeah, that evidence will be called.

Thanks... Since we're on it I'm gonna ask you another question. :cheesygri

What if the police enters the house with a search warrant and there's nothing, no growing, no plants, nothing, nil. Could the home owner sue the police or the witness? :confused:

[AmberMoon]

Thanks... Since we're on it I'm gonna ask you another question. :cheesygri

What if the police enters the house with a search warrant and there's nothing, no growing, no plants, nothing, nil. Could the home owner sue the police or the witness? :confused:

Dont think so, pretty sure in order to get a warrant they have to have just cause and have some type of facts before going before a judge to get it. Dont think they are just issued freely. I would also guess that somewhere in the law books they are covered from recourse from a warrant being served.

But hey could be wrong

[CanadianMike]

I think someone is up to something..... (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/area_teen_up_to_something)

[orispanerai]

well, you're trying to claim that 'no snitching/MYOB' applies to illegal satellites/garbage tags....but somehow a grow op crosses this line youve invented within illegality, that makes it somehow 'extra illegal'? :confused:

ah, i see how it works now.

when others break the law - its 'major crime', its a risk to the safety of others, its a serious matter, etc.

when YOU break the law - its 'minor crime', its no risk to others, its no concern, etc.

:rolleyes:.....:lol:

Wow, so you're that perfect citizen? All I was trying to say is that if one needs motivation to do the right thing then it is easier when it affects the safety of their family.

Do I download illegal movies? Guess. Do I have an EPP plan not with my present company? Guess. Will I phone the cops if I see a mugging on the streets? Mind you, I'm not a big guy so I don't think I'll actually confront the robber (but then again, maybe I will). I'm just saying, give me a break, everyone breaks the law. People in general don't like to get involved. But, family (personal) safety is different.

Like it or not, I don't care about illegal satellite because it doesn't affect the safety of my family. There, I said it, and I'm sure others agree.

[Peckerwood]

Like it or not, I don't care about illegal satellite because it doesn't affect the safety of my family. There, I said it, and I'm sure others agree.
So then laws are not made using any kind of moral compass? Excellent...which means I can also choose what laws I wish to follow based on my own personal moral compass.

From now on I refuse to follow laws that forbid me to carry a firearm because such laws negatively affect my personal safety and the security of my family.

I also will now refuse to store my firearms in a prescribed manner simply because NOT having a gun nearby puts me at a disadvantage to would be home invaders who already may have weapons at their immediate disposal

Glad to see we are on the same page

:)

[Jay Hova]

Cops probably know, they just have to go through all the paper-work and what-not. Don't you read the news, they spend a good 8-10 months scoping out the places before they raid.

[hagbard]

Support legalization and people won't be growing pot in residential neighborhoods. :!:

[cheapmeister]

Illegal satelite systems aren't exactly illegal. They are called fta- free to air. The signal is always there in the air, you just use to box to receive the signal. :lol:
Now be a man and pony up, don't become a scared little puppy. Calling the cops won't make you have to go to court. All this no snitching crap is b.s. and is a problem attitude in the city. There could be a very dangerous meth lab in there for all you know, so its in your best interest to call.
Also you can call the hydro company and report suspicous use of the power grid and they will investigate.

[Whitedart]

And therein lies the real dilemma. In this kind of case, if in fact you call police and based on your information they take them down and charges are laid, you are now a witness, you will be known to the growers/accuseds and you may have to testify. So, if you're going to do it yet fear for your safety, do it the safest way...through TIPS or Crimestoppers. Those programs allow you to give info anonomously and you'll never be called to testify, nor will your name appear in any disclosure documents.

If the OP reports this grow op, Police will have the local hydro utility check the local transformer. Telltale signs there will lead to a search warrant, if needed. The OP will not be required as a witness in any way.

If it is a medium to large grow op in a house, they will have bypassed the hydro meter.

[2k1jdm]

Can't believe nobody's asked this yet. Are they Asian? Not a deciding factor but the chances are somewhat higher if they were.


lol...may I add...are they Vietnamese? Do they have dyed blonde hair wear expensive clothing (rock+repubilc jeans) driving a pearl white japanese luxury car?:lol:

[custy]

I would just mind my own business. You don't really know what people will do when they are pushed to the limits. Also, I am sure if the guy found out you snitched, problems may occur.

[pierrefleur]

lol...may I add...are they Vietnamese? Do they have dyed blonde hair wear expensive clothing (rock+repubilc jeans) driving a pearl white japanese luxury car?:lol:

why are you saying that?

[nfnx]

the outskirts of GTA are littered with grow opss...its more common that most would think....

[pierrefleur]

the outskirts of GTA are littered with grow opss...its more common that most would think....

evidence please, evidence.

[zoolander]

lol...may I add...are they Vietnamese? Do they have dyed blonde hair wear expensive clothing (rock+repubilc jeans) driving a pearl white japanese luxury car?:lol:


why are you saying that?

:lol: Two years ago, around the corner, that's exactly what the guy looked like, except he drove a new BMW ragtop, had a boat, got landscaping with fully mature trees and a driveway before anyone else. He had spent close to 200K furnishing his house identical to the model home.
Told us he was in the "worm" business :lol:
Turned out he had several growops just not in his own house, was all over the news. Using the proceeds of crime law, his place was listed for a bargain 399K when it could have fetched close to 500. His poor small kids ostracized at school and in the neighbourhood.

[CSK'sMom]

evidence please, evidence.


Read the papers much. Hell they were a huge problem here in Niagara Falls until just a couple of years ago. Niagara Falls took the unprecedented step of involving police, fire dept, health inspectors, building inspectors and hydro in every grow-op that was busted. They then went even further and set up a program where is one is busted the fire Marshall, building inspector, hydro and health dept all simultaneously issue immediate work orders on the property. If the owner of the property doesn't comply and begin remediation within a very short period of time the city applies for a demolition order. At one point they were knocking down grow-ops here within 4 weeks of them being busted. It's become a model program that others are now trying to implement in their cities. Grow-ops seem to be more under control here now. There is still the odd one but nothing like about 5 years ago where it was at least one a week, sometimes more. It's definitely helped as well now that the province enacted legislation making landlords responsible as well...

[pierrefleur]

His poor small kids ostracized at school and in the neighbourhood.

Did his kids really get ostracized at school? That is not fair.

[zoolander]

Did his kids really get ostracized at school? That is not fair.

+1 million, kids are cruel, disinhibited

I remember he was in jail, his wife and kids no longer came out of the house. It happened that year before halloween. Their kids still went trick-or-treating, I felt pretty bad for those three little girls.

[Sepiraph]

Isn't there some anonymous crime stopper phone # you can call.

[Nikita]

Thanks... Since we're on it I'm gonna ask you another question. :cheesygri

What if the police enters the house with a search warrant and there's nothing, no growing, no plants, nothing, nil. Could the home owner sue the police or the witness? :confused:

Can't sue the police, no. Could you sue the witness? Good question. If a report was made in bad faith (e.g. the witness really didn't believe there was a grow op and was just trying to jam you up) and it was the only or the primary evidence relied upon for a warrant and you suffered damages, anything's possible in civil court. But, in all honesty, the police are not going to get or execute a warrant only on the word of one complainant. No judge would grant a warrant on that alone. But it may spur an investigation which will easily produce some evidence upon which to base a warrant.


Dont think so, pretty sure in order to get a warrant they have to have just cause and have some type of facts before going before a judge to get it. Dont think they are just issued freely. I would also guess that somewhere in the law books they are covered from recourse from a warrant being served.

But hey could be wrong

Well, to get a warrant to search, an officer or officers have to give sworn evidence showing reasonable cause to believe an offence is being committed. It's up to the Judge whether or not the evidence proferred is sufficient for a warrant. If, however, any of the facts given to the judge turn out to be false, and was given by a cop knowing it was false, it's perjury and it may be cause for a malicious prosecution suit if it got that far, it will be grounds for disciplinary action against the cop and of course the criminal charge of perjury.


Support legalization and people won't be growing pot in residential neighborhoods. :!:

Well now, there's a novel idea eh...lol?


If the OP reports this grow op, Police will have the local hydro utility check the local transformer. Telltale signs there will lead to a search warrant, if needed. The OP will not be required as a witness in any way.
If it is a medium to large grow op in a house, they will have bypassed the hydro meter.

You think not? Look back at the facts the OP posted. Those facts, putting aside the issue of the warrant, is evidence of the usual trappings of a grow op and I can assure you the OP as well as any other neighbor who had that kind of evidence would be called to testify. As I said before, no decent Crown is going to leave out evidence like that if it's available.


Isn't there some anonymous crime stopper phone # you can call.

Yes, and as I've said before, if you want to assist police but fear for your safety, do it anonymously through TIPS or Crimestoppers or whatever other program your local police might have. It is well understood by the system that there are valid reasons, valid fears that might prevent people from reporting crimes, that's the sole reason for these anonymous programs. Your name is never given, none of your personal info is given, you won't be subpeoned to testify, your name won't be given in disclosure to the accused, nobody will ever know you were ever involved.

[avp77]

Doesn't sound like there's quite enough info to necessarily suspect a grow-op. What the OP describes also describes 2 houses around mine...but I know that they're basically just waiting to be occupied, 1 is a rental, and the other has been going through some sales/re-sales/potential rentings.

On the other hand, there's another house I walk by sometimes that I'd suspect a lot more, when the new owner moved in, all the windows (even on the garage) are always blocked out by something, and the wire fencing in the yard was covered by wood, and there's some security cameras on every side of the house I've seen. Or maybe the guy just really likes his privacy.

[gekkexx]

Can't believe nobody's asked this yet. Are they Asian? Not a deciding factor but the chances are somewhat higher if they were.


lol...may I add...are they Vietnamese? Do they have dyed blonde hair wear expensive clothing (rock+repubilc jeans) driving a pearl white japanese luxury car?:lol:

Well Im not saying that a certain ethnicity is more likely to be involved with this type of behaviour. But since the question was raised, the people at the first house were Asian, as well as this second house in question.

Although what type of Asian, I cannot tell... and I don't want to say Chinese cause thats too much of a generalization.

[gekkexx]

And if a rival gang went to do a ripoff and used guns. And a stray bullet goes into someones house killing a mother feeding her infant. As for stray bullets entering houses ask the children how they felt when their dad got killed in front of them in their living room a few years ago in Scarborough.

Actually, I don't want to say that I live in a necessarily bad neighbourhood but I guess its becoming that way. I won't say where I live just in case, but actually there was a random drive by shooting that also happened on my street in which some bullets actually ended up in the wall of their living room. And on another point, there was also a car jacking by gun-point but in that case, I think the woman did not resist.

[CanadianMike]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/paranoidcatsl128391237545625000.jpg

[gekkexx]

Cops probably know, they just have to go through all the paper-work and what-not. Don't you read the news, they spend a good 8-10 months scoping out the places before they raid.

Maybe they do know, I have no idea. I mean I had no idea the first house was a grow-op until they actually raided it. But all Im saying is the pattern of behaviour is similar.

[Scottie]

break in finders keepers take what you can and leave.

[Scottie]

Doesn't sound like there's quite enough info to necessarily suspect a grow-op. What the OP describes also describes 2 houses around mine...but I know that they're basically just waiting to be occupied, 1 is a rental, and the other has been going through some sales/re-sales/potential rentings.

On the other hand, there's another house I walk by sometimes that I'd suspect a lot more, when the new owner moved in, all the windows (even on the garage) are always blocked out by something, and the wire fencing in the yard was covered by wood, and there's some security cameras on every side of the house I've seen. Or maybe the guy just really likes his privacy.

nudists?

[GangStarr]

evidence please, evidence.

http://blogtorontorealestate.ca/2007/01/21/beware-of-buying-a-grow-op-house-or-apartment/

http://www.torontorealestate.ca/images/GrowOps.jpg

[Snicla]

My choice is what I choose to do,
And if I'm causing no harm, it shouldn't bother you.

Your choice is who you choose to be,
And if you're causin' no harm, then you're alright with me.

[Peckerwood]

RCMP report that there are close to 1200 grow ops in Kelowna alone. They are able to bust less than 100 per year.

Like the old trapper saying..."for every wolf you kill, there are ten you miss."

[snider]

Well Im not saying that a certain ethnicity is more likely to be involved with this type of behaviour. But since the question was raised, the people at the first house were Asian, as well as this second house in question.

Although what type of Asian, I cannot tell... and I don't want to say Chinese cause thats too much of a generalization.

I applaud you for not simply pointing out ethnicity in your original post when you don't know the relevance. I cannot say 100% but I have friends that are in the Police/RCMP and they tell me that most of the grow-ups are run by Asians, mostly Vietnamese, hence why I asked the question. I also believe this to be true, because whenever a residential grow-op bust is reported in the papers almost all of the time Asian names appear. You also have other ethnicities involved but mostly in reserves or rural areas.

IMO, grow-ops are always going to be a problem because the laws on drugs in Canada are way too laxed. Many of these guys will get off with a slap on the wrist and if they do end up with jail time, will get out within a couple of years where they'll just do it again. Basically, the reward for such activity is far greater than the punishment. There was a case here in Ottawa years ago where the perpertrator insisted on being tried in Canada rather than the U.S because she knew of the leniency here compared to there. It's a joke in my opinion, the police dept and rcmp are fighting a losing battle until they toughen up the punishment.

[Whitedart]

http://blogtorontorealestate.ca/2007/01/21/beware-of-buying-a-grow-op-house-or-apartment/


And the map only covers Toronto for 2007, and does not include Durham, York, Peel or Halton regions, or Hamilton & Niagara Regions.

[Kuurgen]

tongue in cheek just due to the non-threatening nature of this alleged crime.

future threads: 'I think my neighbour is using counterfeit garbage tags'.....


LOL counterfeit garbage bag tags.

[windforcexx28]

lawl

[Becks]

Is there condensation on the windows? Are the curtains closed all the time? Is there tin foil covering the windows?

Do you hear a fan noise at night? Do u smell a funny odor (like skunk cabbage) at night?

Do you see a lot of activity at night, like someone taking out garbage bags, or bringing in weird equipment (eg hydroponic lamps)?

Call crimestoppers if u r suspicious. The cops often know of grow ops already from electricity usage.

On my block, three houses were busted at the same time. I know one of them had asians. They would put incense sticks outside their front door. Anyways, my neighbourhood is not very ideal. Most people don't care about anything except themselves.

I think it is stupid to ignore drug houses. There was a grow op fire at an apartment a block away. Imagine if u lived next door. Also, all the mold that is left behind in a grow op house decreases the property value and decreases the overall desirability and community cohesiveness of your neighbourhood. If neighbours all knew each other and cared a bit more about improving society, we wouldn't have such a drug problem, both supply and demand side of things. There is a theory out there that the increased disconnect in our current society contributes to depression/drug use/violence, etc.

[CanadianMike]

Do you see a lot of activity at night, like someone taking out garbage bags
damn those people who take the garbage out in the night hours.......what a menace :lol:

[Fookmi]

Buy it off of them cheap and sell it for more. Make some cash while we are in a recession.

[gekkexx]

Is there condensation on the windows? Are the curtains closed all the time? Is there tin foil covering the windows?

Do you hear a fan noise at night? Do u smell a funny odor (like skunk cabbage) at night?

Do you see a lot of activity at night, like someone taking out garbage bags, or bringing in weird equipment (eg hydroponic lamps)?

Call crimestoppers if u r suspicious. The cops often know of grow ops already from electricity usage.

On my block, three houses were busted at the same time. I know one of them had asians. They would put incense sticks outside their front door. Anyways, my neighbourhood is not very ideal. Most people don't care about anything except themselves.

I think it is stupid to ignore drug houses. There was a grow op fire at an apartment a block away. Imagine if u lived next door. Also, all the mold that is left behind in a grow op house decreases the property value and decreases the overall desirability and community cohesiveness of your neighbourhood. If neighbours all knew each other and cared a bit more about improving society, we wouldn't have such a drug problem, both supply and demand side of things. There is a theory out there that the increased disconnect in our current society contributes to depression/drug use/violence, etc.

That is a good list of things to look for. Occassionally in the mornings, their windows are open and once or twice my brother has smelled something similar to what you describe.

I mean, okay, if it isn't a grow-op, then what else explains the strange behaviour. There is no one living in the house. There used to be a family with a little kid that would play outside, and now for like over a year, I only ever see this one guy. He comes randomly to 'take out the trash' - I don't know how there could be trash if no one is there. Or to mow the lawn after like 3 weeks, etc, etc. Its totally apparant that no one lives there. So again, how do you afford to live in a house that you don't actually live in. Its exactly the same pattern that we saw for our immediate neighbours that got busted, except this time its just across the street.

[angekfire]

Is there tin foil covering the windows?

Is there a hat made of tinfoil on your head? That could be a good sign too. :razz:


I mean, okay, if it isn't a grow-op, then what else explains the strange behaviour.

Vampires.

[bokep]

Now thinking that your neighbour has a marijuana grow-op is weird, but allow me to explain:

About 3 years ago or so, we had neighbours (immediate neighbours to one side of our house) that moved in. At first there was a family living there, but as time went on, we never saw any of them again, except for some guy that would come in every now and again to cut the lawn and put out the trash. But it was apparant that there was no one living in the house, cause there were no cars or anything.

At that point, I remember me and my brother would often remark that how do you afford to live in a house that you don't actually live in. We thought that that was pretty weird. And at one point, we even joked that it was probably a marijuana grow-op, but never really thought much of it. It got to the point where we would use our neighbours driveway as an additional car park for our cars cause they were just NEVER there.

So, one day, I woke up to 5 police cars around my neighbours house. So I go outside wondering what its all about, and the cop explains that they were growing marijuana on two levels and then they started bringing out the stuff in garbage bags.

Anyways, that was the first house.

Now Im thinking that its happening again but this time with the neighbours across the street from us. Again, its the same story all over. There used to be a family living there, but as time goes on, we only ever see one guy who comes to clear leaves, or put out the trash. And in the winter time, normally people shovel their driveways after a dumping, but like a week will pass by before their driveway is shovelled and there is always the same 2 cars that are always parked in their driveway but never move. And all the lights in the house are on all the time to make it *appear* that there is someone living there.

What would you do in this situation?

I would buy weed straight from them.

[skeletor]

Do you know their background? In the GTA there's a huge number of Vietnamese running the grow ops.. I used to have neighbours that ran a grow op described exactly as the OP said. I started to do research on other grow op cases in the GTA and started to notice that all the names of suspects that were caught had been vietnamese in the 20 or so cases I have noticed..

[iDrewx]

Their growing marijuana so ? :P
let them be, they are not causing any trouble to you. Less bitchy neighbors

[gekkexx]

Their growing marijuana so ? :P
let them be, they are not causing any trouble to you. Less bitchy neighbors

I don't find that comment helpful at all.

[EAMAY]

Wow, I never realized that there are so many nosy neighbours, watching and taking notes of what their fellow neighbours are up to. Some people need hobbies instead of watching neighbours houses.

[Eyies]

It's amusing reading this thread and seeing all the responses being one of the two extremes.

[silentio]

I think you should mind your own business - you dont want to mess around with the people who can afford to grow marijuana and take the loss if they get busted.

You could become a target if they ever thought you were the one responsible for the police busting them.

Leave them alone and they will leave you alone.

[mwong168]

He comes randomly to 'take out the trash' - I don't know how there could be trash if no one is there. Or to mow the lawn after like 3 weeks, etc, etc.

It is not trash and probably "product" he is carrying out. Depending on where you live most of the houses in the GTA now have a big black garbage bin so if he is not putting it there and in the trunk of his car I think you know your answer right there.

As for the lawn it is probably more for up keep and to keep the city off their back. If you don't take care of your lawn and let it grow past a certain length the city mails you a notice and possibly a ticket. Don't know how the city knows your grass is not taken care of unless a nosy neighbor complains about it.

My advice would be if it is quiet and discreet mind your own business. It will get busted eventually and no point in spying on his power meter because most likely these type of grow-ops steal power anyways. Besides if it ever got busted and they saw you on their property they might suspect it was you that snitched them out when that is not the case. If the house was like a Tim Hortons drive thru with dangerous looking people coming by on a hourly basis then leave it alone.

[DeimosBeros]

My neighbors have a little grow op going on in their garage. They don't bother us, we don't bother them and we all get along just fine. They even gave us wine and pastries for new years.

[ariell]

I can't believe all the inane advice people have given you. I also can't believe this is still dragging on and you haven't reported it. Just call Crimestoppers as has been pointed out on more than one occasion. You don't have to give your name. No one will know it was you. Just be a man and do it already!!!!

[hagbard]

I can't believe all the inane advice people have given you. I also can't believe this is still dragging on and you haven't reported it. Just call Crimestoppers as has been pointed out on more than one occasion. You don't have to give your name. No one will know it was you. Just be a man and do it already!!!!

George Orwell would be proud of that advice. :|

[CanadianMike]

Wow, I never realized that there are so many nosy neighbours, watching and taking notes of what their fellow neighbours are up to. Some people need hobbies instead of watching neighbours houses.
+1

thats the odd part of all of this, regardless of whats been suspected.

what happened to mind your own business? :confused:

seriously....all this sounds like the attitude of a paranoid retiree who stands at the window with binoculars keeping tabs on the cars parked on the street, ready to call the authorities if someone is parked over the 30 minute limit.

[ariell]

seriously....all this sounds like the attitude of a paranoid retiree who stands at the window with binoculars keeping tabs on the cars parked on the street, ready to call the authorities if someone is parked over the 30 minute limit.

Well Einstein, it's completely different than someone parking over their limit, isn't it? Besides the fact that having a grow-op next to you can substantially decrease property values, it's a freaking fire and safety hazard. THAT'S why it IS his business and that's why saying 'look the other way' is just plain stupid.

Take a look here: http://www.edmonton.ca/city_government/documents/CityGov/SaferCitiesGrowOpBrochure.pdf

[mgronqui]

Don't snitch, leave the judging up to God.

[CanadianMike]

Take a look here: http://www.edmonton.ca/city_government/documents/CityGov/SaferCitiesGrowOpBrochure.pdf
i think information from the 'edmonton drug strategy' should be taken with a grain of salt regarding this issue.

Well Einstein, it's completely different than someone parking over their limit, isn't it? Besides the fact that having a grow-op next to you can substantially decrease property values, it's a freaking fire and safety hazard. THAT'S why it IS his business and that's why saying 'look the other way' is just plain stupid.
its more the notion of having a level of respect for your neighbours, and just those around you. there is no need to play police officer.

its taking quite a leap to even assume there is a grow op with this sort of scant evidence, and even if there was.....its taking an even larger leap to assume said grow op is even a hazard is the ways you described.

there are plenty of routine things people do that can be just as much of a hazard, but it'd seem a little out of whack to be spying on your neighbours about it.

if your going to keep your 'eyes and ears open' in your neighbourhood....keep them open for more worrisome issues. personally, if people insist on playing neighbourhood watch like this, id be a little more interested in people keeping an eye out for violence and situations where people are being directly threatened/harmed.....rather than some people who MAY have an improperly setup grow op for some plants.

[cheapmeister]

Don't snitch, leave the judging up to God.

Well who would fix the problem? Maybe he should call a rival gang to take them out instead of the cops?

[ariell]

its more the notion of having a level of respect for your neighbours, and just those around you. there is no need to play police officer.

I'm all for having respect for my neighbours. What they do in the privacy of their own home is none of my business. But when it affects my safety, then sorry, that is my business. Personally I don't think someone running a grow op in my neighbourhood is being very respectful of me, so why should I be "respectful" and turn a blind eye??



its taking quite a leap to even assume there is a grow op with this sort of scant evidence, and even if there was.....its taking an even larger leap to assume said grow op is even a hazard is the ways you described.

It's not taking a leap at all to assume a grow op is a hazard. Here's an example just last week of a huge fire from a grow op: http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2009/02/05/8273881.html It took 80 (!!) firefighters 5 hours to put it out. Yah, you're right. No safety hazard whatsoever. :rolleyes: And obviously an excellent use of the firefighters' time.



if your going to keep your 'eyes and ears open' in your neighbourhood....keep them open for more worrisome issues.....

Well sorry I'd say having a grow op next to you is pretty worrisome.

[DaVibe]

If this was a normal neighbourhood, I think most people could fairly say you're a little paranoid and maybe you should just leave it alone.
Personally, I would let the police know and they can handle it accordingly. They have ways of doing that undercover.

However, with the history of your neighbourhood and a grow up already being in the area, I wouldn't call this area "normal" by any mindframe and would certainly let the police know about this occurance.

There's nothing YOU can do other than letting the authorities know about what you've observed. What's freaky is the light scenario, since you've noticed no one home yet the lights are on to pretend someone is home.
To passers by, they're home. To someone who lives near by, you know they're not. That concerns me.

Edit: Gekkexx, this thread has been going on for a few days. I don't think you need anymore responses.
The conversation to the police could easily mention the history of the neighbourhood and what you're seeing today.

[angekfire]

Okay, I'm just trying to play the optimist here. Guess it depends how long this has been going on though.

Maybe the family went on vacation for a while and have a house sitter.I know when some people go on vacation they leave their lights, and sometimes a TV or radio on to give would-be robbers the impression that someone is home. They also often have people collect their mail for them and give it to them when they return. The big thing that doesn't make much sense is the garbage scenario. Maybe they have pets or something so somebody comes by every so often to feed the pet & change the litter? I'm just saying, it is possible that someone not be home, yet some of these things still happen.

[ballerfosho]

Snitch

[15-20_God]

I don't get RFD. If a leaf from your neighbors tree falls into your yard you scream bloody murder and fly into a fit of OT posting. Yet, if the same neighbor creates a potential fire and health hazard 2 metres from you, then its live and let live.

[CanadianMike]

Yet, if the same neighbor creates a potential fire and health hazard 2 metres from you, then its live and let live.
the key word is potential.

i guess we better get more active on all these 'potential' risks.....OHHHHH, my neighbour has a gas stove, i hear if you dont install one of those properly it could be a potential fire and safety hazard......

also, i saw my neighbour coming home with some home depot bags and electrical supplies. i get the impression he is going to attempt some electrical work of his own, and i never verified if hes qualified for such a job. wouldnt want a potential fire and safety hazard......

better ring up the authorities......;)

[15-20_God]

the key word is potential.

also, i saw my neighbour coming home with some home depot bags and electrical supplies. i get the impression he is going to attempt some electrical work of his own, and i never verified if hes qualified for such a job. wouldnt want a potential fire and safety hazard......

better ring up the authorities......;)

i guess you don't recognize the difference in someone doing their own home improvement work and someone tapping electrical lines to juice their grow up. But then again you'd be the same person complaining that the fire dept was late arriving when the house catches fire.

[CanadianMike]

i guess you don't recognize the difference in someone doing their own home improvement work and someone tapping electrical lines to juice their grow up.
yes....because ALL grow ops are running on stolen juice....

you've been reading too many of those 'edmonton drug strategy' pamphlets....like the ones posted in this thread.

But then again you'd be the same person complaining that the fire dept was late arriving when the house catches fire.
?

[ADRiiAN`]

Tell them you want a cut of the profit or your calling the cops ;)

[edgedamage]

yes....because ALL grow ops are running on stolen juice....

you've been reading too many of those 'edmonton drug strategy' pamphlets....like the ones posted in this thread.

?

What the hell happened to you?? You were never like this before. Your posts are becoming borderline trolling, WTF I thought you were better than that.

[CanadianMike]

What the hell happened to you?? You were never like this before. Your posts are becoming borderline trolling, WTF I thought you were better than that.
no trolling in these posts.....i do think citing an 'edmonton drug strategy' pamphlet for legitimate information on grow ops is a little like citing a MADD pamphlet for information on having a party.

[hagbard]

If anyone should be arrested here, its lawmakers. People wouldn't be growing marijuana in urban areas if it wasn't illegal. I agree that grow ups are dangerous, still I recognize that gov't created the hazard by its authoritarian laws. How often do you hear about stills blowing up?

[gekkexx]

I thought I would post a closing comment to this thread since there has been an update.

My suspicions were correct, and this other neighbour whom I mention on this thread was also recently busted for a marijuana grow-op. So not only did my direct neighbour have a grow-op, but the guy living in front of us had one too. Great!

[whampoa]

I thought I would post a closing comment to this thread since there has been an update.

My suspicions were correct, and this other neighbour whom I mention on this thread was also recently busted for a marijuana grow-op. So not only did my direct neighbour have a grow-op, but the guy living in front of us had one too. Great!

Are you located in Markham, if so, can you PM me the street or the main intersection you are in?

Don't get me wrong, I think the law against MJ are draconian and heavy-handed, and another reason to go underground.

But at the same time, I don't want to see my neighbourhood be a harbinger of grow ups, fire hazard and other nefarious activities.

I want to be proactive, not reactive after the fact. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

[laptop-tech]

I need to make some brownies this weekend. Can I get the address ?

[dragon_drift]

I want the address as well, my friend is looking for a new home =P

It's probably cheaper to afford a former weed house, but it's even cheaper to buy a home where a gruesome murder was committed.

[Takami]

I want the address as well, my friend is looking for a new home =P

It's probably cheaper to afford a former weed house, but it's even cheaper to buy a home where a gruesome murder was committed.

I thought that most grow op homes are unlivable because of all of the mold under the walls and ceilings and that would cause health issues. Also the electrical wiring in the house will probably need to be redone.

You will probably need a lot of money to renovate the place again, unless you are planning to continue the grow op operation.

[Paolo]

stop snitching

[Tjalfe]

I am curious if all these people who preach the "no snitching" bit are the ones with the most to loose if people started reporting crimes. It seems people rarely come out as witnesses for shootings due to this "no snitching" attitude, allowing the shootings to continue. The alleged murderers of the 8 year old girl was tracked down due to snitching.. should that also not have happened?

[dragon_drift]

I thought that most grow op homes are unlivable because of all of the mold under the walls and ceilings and that would cause health issues. Also the electrical wiring in the house will probably need to be redone.

You will probably need a lot of money to renovate the place again, unless you are planning to continue the grow op operation.

:rolleyes:

[mikehole]

I want the address as well, my friend is looking for a new home =P

It's probably cheaper to afford a former weed house, but it's even cheaper to buy a home where a gruesome murder was committed.


yah you have to re-do the wiring and everything..

but if you have time for that its still a slightly cheaper way

[AcidBomber]

yah you have to re-do the wiring and everything..

but if you have time for that its still a slightly cheaper way



true, but it'll never be the same again. plus, you also have to look ahead at the resale value of the home, you might not mind the house being an ex-grow op farm, but a lot of other people care.

[gekkexx]

Are you located in Markham, if so, can you PM me the street or the main intersection you are in?

Don't get me wrong, I think the law against MJ are draconian and heavy-handed, and another reason to go underground.

But at the same time, I don't want to see my neighbourhood be a harbinger of grow ups, fire hazard and other nefarious activities.

I want to be proactive, not reactive after the fact. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

No, this did not occur in Markham.


I am curious if all these people who preach the "no snitching" bit are the ones with the most to loose if people started reporting crimes. It seems people rarely come out as witnesses for shootings due to this "no snitching" attitude, allowing the shootings to continue. The alleged murderers of the 8 year old girl was tracked down due to snitching.. should that also not have happened?

I really was suprised with the 'stop snitching' posts as well when I first posted this thread. And its not like I did snitch or anything - I was suspicious, no more no less, but I did not act upon my suspicions. I suppose the cops eventually found out someway or another.

Btw, that was terrible what happened to the little girl.

[dragon_drift]

yah you have to re-do the wiring and everything..

but if you have time for that its still a slightly cheaper way

Well, my friend's been here a for long time, and he never lived in a house LOL.
His parents are trying to find a home since it's recession and homes are "cheap" now.

But they're the type that like DIY methods. =/

[CanadianMike]

It seems people rarely come out as witnesses for shootings due to this "no snitching" attitude, allowing the shootings to continue. The alleged murderers of the 8 year old girl was tracked down due to snitching.. should that also not have happened?
well personally....i dont place growing plants in the same category as murder.

[iempwnage]

I hate to be a ***** and ask if your neighbors are black, so I won't. ;)

Um, don't go over to their house to check their power meter or anything that would make them think your suspicious of em. You don't want to get shot now..

Snitch, and there's a chance of retribution. Don't snitch, and there's a chance one day your neighbors coming over to your house, executing you and your family, then taking over your house to be used for a grow-op.

Either way your screwed. ;)


---

I was kidding about your neighbors being black, I just had to ask, its just too funny and my idol Russell Peters would hate me if I didn't ask!

[kingfencer]

why would you post on this forum what to do? just called 222-tips, and remain anonymous.

[congeetime]

I have a house thats similar around my neighborhood and theres always a popo there. I have a feeling the police is getting some money to remain quite. It gets kinda fishy when theirs a different car pulling up to the driveway every hour.

[Tjalfe]

well personally....i dont place growing plants in the same category as murder.

Like it or not, the constant attitude of many people of "no snitching" is leading to no witnesses coming out when there are murders too... how often do we not hear of a shooting, with many witnesses who will not come forward with information?

as for not snitching on grow ops.. they can royally mess up a house, making it a health hazard for future buyers, if they are not discovered, it is often organized crime behind the big grow ops, so why not snitch again?.. because you want a cheap source for weed?

[Scott84]

The people saying no snitching, are people I wouldn't want in my neighbourhood.

Grow-ops could possibly affect other houses resale values on the street.

[CanadianMike]

Like it or not, the constant attitude of many people of "no snitching" is leading to no witnesses coming out when there are murders too... how often do we not hear of a shooting, with many witnesses who will not come forward with information?
making the connection to murders was irrelevant.

as for not snitching on grow ops.. they can royally mess up a house, making it a health hazard for future buyers, if they are not discovered, it is often organized crime behind the big grow ops, so why not snitch again?
you can 'snitch' on whoever you want. it doesnt mean everyone has to do so.....especially over minor issues.

you keep attempting to make this false connection between grow ops and murder. not 'snitching' on a grow op is more like not calling the authorities whenever you see your neighbours doing work on their home because of the chance that work may not be up to code, and hence a potential hazard.

if you want to do so....thats well within your rights. trying to compare it to providing information on a shooting is a far stretch.

because you want a cheap source for weed?
well.....that sums up your trollish manner of approaching the issue :rolleyes:

The people saying no snitching, are people I wouldn't want in my neighbourhood.

Grow-ops could possibly affect other houses resale values on the street.
plenty of things affect resale value of homes within an area.....it doesnt make them worth calling the authorities over each and every time.

i doubt many people want neighbours who are watching over them, ready to call over any old violation. save the reporting for more pressing issues rather than trying to act as some sort of neighbourhood detective.

[BlackJays]

Ontario is a good "place to grow".

yeah dude just like the commercial says
GOOD THINGS GROOOOOOOW IN ONTARIOOOOOOOOOOO

haha but seriously, these ppl aren't hurting anyone. and at the end of the day they are helping our economy. the percentage of weed exported from .ca to .us is scary. and highly profitable.
also to OP. you and your brother sound like two retired old men with nothing better to do than pry into others affairs. Between spying on your neighbours and posting your observations on RFD how do you find time for bingo and the matlock? Either way I respect seniors who have embraced technology and are capable of using the internet.

[yao416]

sending this thread to 222-TIPS