Channel Master 4221HD 4-Bay OTA HDTV-Antenna for $49.99

[prettyha8]

The Channel Master 4221HD is a really good OTA UHF outdoor antenna to go with if you live in the GTA.
I have not seen the CM4221HD cheaper then $49.99. These are actual Channel Master antennas and not a Dixie/Matheson clone.

1) Sensuz is selling the CM4221HD for $49.99 online or $54.99 UPS-store local pick-up. (http://www.sensuz.com/estore/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=36_63&products_id=313 ) (No local pickup fees if order > $100)

2) SaveAndReplay is selling the CM4221HD for $54.99 online or $54.99 in-store local pick-up. (http://overtheair.saveandreplay.com/channel_master_4221HD.asp)
Save $5 when you are a DHC member, Link (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=105996)

3) Angel Electronics is selling the CM4221HD for $55 in-store local pick-up. (http://www.angelelectronics.ca/ota_over_the_air)
Save $5 when you mention RFD, Link (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=724940)

[rinottawa]

It is the regular price. One of the best Antenna anyways.

[digdoug]

what makes this better than a $30 similar-looking antenna I can pick up at a local store?
http://www.fortunecomputer.com/index.asp
http://www.techsourcecanada.ca/html/flyer.html
http://techdirectcanada.ca/flyer/

[prettyha8]

The reason why the 4221HD is better then the 4228HD is because the 4221HD has a wider field of sense, whereas the 4228 is more forward directional sensing. Thus the 4221HD is good for picking up the CN-tower and buffalo, whereas the 4228HD is more of sharp-shooting buffalo.

http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/cm4221.html
vs.
http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/cm4228.html

The 4221HD outperforms the original Channel Master 4221.
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showpost.php?p=862900&postcount=2

Also, please read dandaling's post about an authentic Channel Master vs. a $30 clone.
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showpost.php?p=871370&postcount=10
Some of the Channel Master clone companies are:
-DigiWave & Digiwave Technologies
-EagleStar
-MagicStar
-Antra (?)

[Pavel]

I wonder how this antenna fares in mountainous areas like metro Vancouver?

[Viper98]

anyone in the London area have one of these and can comment on what, if any HD channels come in?

[vlaine]

Look here. 40$
It looks like the same but the model number is JS-5089
Is it the same?

http://importbestbuys.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=76&products_id=243&osCsid=3510bac72f2bb6a50a4ee567fc1299d0

[bobmanw]

i didn't buy that, but if you're going to go with a clone...may I suggest this 30$ plus shipping antenna....
http://www.partsforhdtv.com/hdtv-antenna-4-bay-atmb04-brand-new-p-180.html

the amplifiers are sold out but the prices are reasonable if not cheap
http://www.partsforhdtv.com/channel-master-preamplifier-cm7777-p-336.html
and http://www.partsforhdtv.com/channel-master-preamplifier-cm7778-p-253.html


I bought a DB8, (just add for 20$ of goods and shipping is 6$..(the antenna is 86$ as oppose to 100 and it's the original brand...
http://www.infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=410487

i'm in Montreal(near Lasalle),
after installing the DB8 and amplifier(which made a huge difference) at about 10ft high above ground level,
and after scanning, I was able to get radio canada (2.1), CBS(3.1-2), NBC(5.1-2), CBC (6.1), tele-quebec(17.1), PBS vermont(33.1-2-3), PBS plattsbugh(57.1-2-3

I am going to try to put it higher during the summer to try and get ABC and Fox...wish me luck..

[davesaudio]

Channel Master have been in the antenna business a very long time, I would expect this to hold together/work better.

Anyone seen a CM vs clone comparison?

[laolee]

i am at right under CN tower(concord cityplace
), still can pick up ther signal? a guy at canadian tire said can't.

[maniacshopper]

these antennas are not like a satelite, which needs to be pointed.
Antennas need to be pointed in a general area.

I'm not sure which antenna I have but it looks just like that. I picked it up at CC during boxing week for $39.

No complaints about HD channels.

edit: after looking at some photos, I have 4221HD, not 4228HD.
Mines good enough. I have most of the channels in OTA.

[vint]

Better yet, build one yourself with coat hangers. Search youtube for this. I did and I'm getting 8 HD channels now.

[ionic]

Anyone know where I can pick something like this up locally in Montreal?

[tsatsa]

Better yet, build one yourself with coat hangers. Search youtube for this. I did and I'm getting 8 HD channels now.

For $40-$50 I am not sure it is worth building one yourself. Unless you just enjoy building something.

[sleeepy2]

I built my own and I am getting 20 digital channels with more than half HD.
Used caot hangers and chicken wire

[thrifter]

Anyone know where I can pick something like this up locally in Montreal?

I can't vouch for the retailers as I haven't used them, but I've found these Montreal area OTA Channel Master equipment retailers on digitalhome.ca:

http://www.montcalmelectronique.com (Laval - Des Laurentides just over the bridge from Mtl. )

http://www.raybel.com
On Notre-Dame way-way out in the East end.

I've read that Montreal suppliers tend to keep low stock in CM products, so I'd recommend calling for pricing / stock availability before you make the trip.

[JebateVrag]

To get Buffalo with a 4221 you will definitely want a signal preamp but do not fall into the thinking that "more is better". All you need is a preamp with somewhere between 15-20 dbi. If you have too much amplification you might overload the tuner in your TV.

As for the directional nature of these antennas - I would say that the more accurate you can get the better. Pointing towards Buffalo, you need to be within +/- 2 degrees to get good reception.

[intravino]

I can't vouch for the retailers as I haven't used them, but I've found these Montreal area OTA Channel Master equipment retailers on digitalhome.ca:

http://www.montcalmelectronique.com (Laval - Des Laurentides just over the bridge from Mtl. )

http://www.raybel.com
On Notre-Dame way-way out in the East end.

I've read that Montreal suppliers tend to keep low stock in CM products, so I'd recommend calling for pricing / stock availability before you make the trip.

Raybel is a better store, better price and friendlier staff and with more knowledge. Ask for Jean, is the the expert in antennas.

They are about just 5 minutes east of the LH tunnel. Not open during the weekend.

There is also Master-Vox on the South Shore beside the LeMoyne Hospital that have Antennas.

Intravino

[ryehigh17]

Any recommendations for pre-amp to pickup HD content?

sensuz carries the following:
Channel Master 7777
Channel Master 7778
Winegard Chromestar 2000


[QUOTE=JebateVrag;8329804]All you need is a preamp with somewhere between 15-20 dbi. If you have too much amplification you might overload the tuner in your TV.

[d_Ave]

Anyone know if I would be able to get any OTA HD (Or OTA in general) in the Peterborough area? Maybe I am too far North. :confused:

[alkapone]

I built my own and I am getting 20 digital channels with more than half HD.
Used caot hangers and chicken wire


...sounds like a work of art and prob looks better....Bubbba:D:cheesygri

[ephemera]

I got my CM4221HD at saveandreplay for $69. It got me a few more channels than my coathanger model. I get about 20 digital channels, and most are HD. Maybe I should have asked for a PM?!

Are these good for outdoors? would they rust? If you mount it two feet under your eavestrough, does it have to be grounded? I just want to hang it there on a mount and bring the wire thru the wall.

I finally got vista media center working right. I uninstalled the sagetv demo which is I think really badly programmed, they need a major rewrite of the code. I used to use that years ago and not much has changed. constant crashes, the epg getting no data. blah. Also, there where 4 media center services that I had to restart and set up automatic. and that got VMC working with a USA region code. Now I just have to program in the cdn channels.

[prettyha8]

Better yet, build one yourself with coat hangers. Search youtube for this. I did and I'm getting 8 HD channels now.

I am tempted to build a youtube coat-hanger antenna, but one thing I noticed is that all these DIY coat hanger antennas I have seen do not have a reflector in the back. I thought these antennas needed a metal mesh wire backing or some form of reflector in the back. I guess if you put the DIY 4-bowtie model in front of a metal balcony it may pull in more channels.

I really would like to try and build the Single Bay Gray-Hoverman (SBGH) model -> http://www.digitalhome.ca/ota/superantenna, as tests show the SBGH is even better then an original Channel Master 4221HD. (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showpost.php?p=862900&postcount=2)

But the instructions in the post look quite intimidating. Actually to be more precise, the copper antenna part looks simple, but the reflector thing in the back has be totally lost. If anyone has any blue-prints for the SBGH, or pointers, please PM me! Thanks!

[neo1973]

Any recommendations for pre-amp to pickup HD content?

sensuz carries the following:
Channel Master 7777
Channel Master 7778
Winegard Chromestar 2000
+1

Any good deal on a pre-amp?

[Eldorado]

The CM7777 pre-amp is likely the one you want to get

I find it funny how the retailers have the descriptions for these plastered with 'optimized for digital TV' and calling them HD antennae

There's no way to 'optimize' anything to pick up the digital signals, or those that are in HD

Hopefully people don't get misled into buying certain products because of the marketing tactics

Stick with Channel Master and your good to go!

I picked up a CM4228 for $80 at Neutron Electronics in Guelph

[redzone]

for a preamp the CM7777 is one of the better ones out there. it has a noise margin of 2.0 on UHF which is VERY desirable.

id recommend it any day

[prettyha8]

Channel Master have been in the antenna business a very long time, I would expect this to hold together/work better.

Anyone seen a CM vs clone comparison?

I would love to see a CM vs. clone comparison. I might have to buy 1 of each and publish my own findings.

I found a thread about clone antennas here. http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showpost.php?p=799111&postcount=44 Some ppl mentioned that if fat birds like seagulls or pigeons sit on the the dipoles of clones, they can cause it to bend, in turn ruining the antenna design.

[Bincent]

I bought my Channel Master 4221HD from Sensuz. No problems at all.

They've been around for a while now and they are always referenced in any OTA discussions here on RFD so I felt pretty comfortable that they aren't a fly by night company. Can't really say the same about the other site that was mentioned in the OP's original post. Who designed the saveandreplay site? Looks like a kids site.. blech.


As for building your own... that's true RFD to the bone :lol:, but my time is worth more than trying to build one on my own. Plus, why spend thousands on a HD television to get HD shows and have a potentially shoddy signal from a self made antenna?

[champlinD]

I bought my Channel Master 4221HD from Sensuz. No problems at all.

They've been around for a while now and they are always referenced in any OTA discussions here on RFD so I felt pretty comfortable that they aren't a fly by night company. Can't really say the same about the other site that was mentioned in the OP's original post. Who designed the saveandreplay site? Looks like a kids site.. blech.


As for building your own... that's true RFD to the bone :lol:, but my time is worth more than trying to build one on my own. Plus, why spend thousands on a HD television to get HD shows and have a potentially shoddy signal from a self made antenna?

$5 coat hanger antenna works wonders. I don't like you being spokesperson for sunsuz, but nobody can stop you.

[getmail99]

I really would like to try and build the Single Bay Gray-Hoverman (SBGH) model -> http://www.digitalhome.ca/ota/superantenna, as tests show the SBGH is even better then an original Channel Master 4221HD. (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showpost.php?p=862900&postcount=2)

But the instructions in the post look quite intimidating. Actually to be more precise, the copper antenna part looks simple, but the reflector thing in the back has be totally lost. If anyone has any blue-prints for the SBGH, or pointers, please PM me! Thanks!

New better design here

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=96483

dimensions are here
http://www.jedsoft.org/fun/antennas/dtv/gh.html

I built the coat hanger one. I want to build the gold standard SBGH but I don't have time, so I just bought a clone.

[getmail99]

Put up a $25 antra clone last night on the 2nd floor pointing out of a window randomly guessing the CN tower location. Received about 12 to 13 digital and 12 to 13 analog channels. Received all Toronto channels, a few US channels. I think this is quite good result.

[stealth]

For $40-$50 I am not sure it is worth building one yourself. Unless you just enjoy building something.

I feel the same way too. Plus, I'd want to consider how my neighbors might feel looking at my coat hanger and chicken wire contraption (depends on your neighborhood and how visible the antenna is).

Our new house is about 2 blocks from Lake Ontario. Definitely going to grab one of these when we move in the summer!

[Bincent]

$5 coat hanger antenna works wonders. I don't like you being spokesperson for sunsuz, but nobody can stop you.

Haha... spokesperson... I wish, then at least I'd get paid.

Didn't think that I'd get flamed just for sharing my thoughts and experience...

$5 coat hanger is fine as long as you have the time and inclination to do it... I certainly don't. Why don't you go and build yourself your own car, bicycle, house, etc?

[redzone]

Just like to say the guys at save and replay are very nice and good to deal with. the store is a bit hard to find but they are really nice and carry a good selection.

the CM4221HD is 59.99 there and they have one set up to a small lcd recieving everything including americian channels.

[vim]

I have CM 4221 in attic and I am located in the RIchmond Hill area. I am getting most of Toronto and BUffalo channels, probably about 13 HD.

My CBC channel is not very stable so I bought CM 7777 preamp. After attaching it to my antenna I am getting 0 channels!!!! I was explained that this is because preamp overloads my tunner. I had to move my pream about 20-30 feet away from antenna and then it worked. My preamp now works just as signal amplifier because I have a long cable run - maybe 70-80 feet. But CBC channels reception still not stable.

So before you are buying preamp - make sure you need it!!!!

[Azenha]

Made in China clones are available for $29 from various computer stores just west of the Spadina/College area (Toronto).

I personally have the Channel Master 4228HD which is great. Great reception and not really that big on your roof. I bought my father-in-law one of the Chinese clones and it was just as good, but at a fraction of the cost.

Optionally, if you want to build your own, there are a few web sites that provide instructions using off-the-self hardware store items - also at a fraction of the cost. I don't have the links with me, but if you do a search you're bound to find a few such sites.

[Y2BNE1]

Just wanted to add a little with regards to the clone vs CM, it really depends on where you are..

I'm located in west Mississauga and have both original CM 4221 and one of the clones. My antennae is in the attic and I've tried both antennas that I've had and with CM i was able to get quite a few more channels than with the clone.

When comparing them, I am able to get about 17 channels on CM (not including sub channels). Only channels I did not get are MyTV(49-x) and TBN(26-x) http://www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/
With the clone I was able to get less than 10.

Even with CM, some channels where not very stable until i got pre-amp (7777).

Once I plugged it in (not yet correctly, both amp and power are located near the receiver... didnt have time to climb into attic) I get all of the channels(except mytv and tbn) quite stable.

This is all later split into 4 tuners + TV (5 tuners total)

Since this new 4221HD seems to be able to pickup greater angle(I have about 150 degrees between buffalo and CN, even more to hamilton) than old model, I am thinking of getting it and trying it this spring.

[Blitzo]

How many channels could I get from downtown Cambridge? Is it worth even bothering with a CM4221 for me?

[teoconca]

How about this one DB4? Does anyone use it and have any thought about it? How does DB4 compare with CM4221HD? People in Toronto can order from this store as well.

http://www.swiftgamers.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=db4&Search.x=0&Search.y=0

[prettyha8]

How many channels could I get from downtown Cambridge? Is it worth even bothering with a CM4221 for me?

Here is a forum where ppl post their reception results, (look for your city): http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=129

I am impressed that they are reporting a total of 39 digital channels in the Toronto/Hamilton area.
I am guessing these are results from people that know what they are doing. ie) Pre-amps and proper directional pointing, etc. http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=95753

[ryehigh17]

I have CM 4221 in attic and I am located in the RIchmond Hill area. I am getting most of Toronto and BUffalo channels, probably about 13 HD.

My CBC channel is not very stable so I bought CM 7777 preamp. After attaching it to my antenna I am getting 0 channels!!!! I was explained that this is because preamp overloads my tunner. I had to move my pream about 20-30 feet away from antenna and then it worked. My preamp now works just as signal amplifier because I have a long cable run - maybe 70-80 feet. But CBC channels reception still not stable.

So before you are buying preamp - make sure you need it!!!!

Whereabouts in RH? I am south of Elgin Mills, west of Bayview - no line of sight to CN tower. I currently have a huge outdoor antennae inside attic but only pick up CBC and CTV HD. I'm thinking of replacing it with the CM4221 and CM7777 (if necessary).

[User Name]

Depending on where you are, you probably don't need to spend $50+ on one of thse antennas.

I'm in Oakville and I picked up a $25 Eaglestar from Dixie/Matheson. It is sitting on top of a dining chair, which is in the middle of the hallway facing the front window and I'm getting both US and CAN HD channels (20 of them).

I tried building one from a $1 store aluminum cookie pan and two cut up coat hangers and was only able to get 5 HD channels. It might have been the balun I was using though (from an old NES system).

[ryehigh17]

How about this one DB4? Does anyone use it and have any thought about it? How does DB4 compare with CM4221HD? People in Toronto can order from this store as well.

http://www.swiftgamers.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=db4&Search.x=0&Search.y=0

Thanks :razz:

[ryehigh17]

Here is a forum where ppl post their reception results, (look for your city): http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=129

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Oops I meant thanks for link above :lol:

[Gigi]

For those who have ordered from Sensuz before, how long do you have to wait before you can pick up the item?

Also, has anyone used the 4221HD successfully indoors?

[alkapone]

Hi alkapone, Yes, we offer local-pickup. Please read below for details. http://www.sensuz.com/estore/catalog/shipping.php Local Pickup Option - Ontario Customers Only Customers may pick up merchandise locally to save on shipping fees. A minimum non-refundable handling fee of $5.00 CDN will be applied to a valid Ontario postal code when local pickup option is selected at the online store check-out. However, provincial sales tax still applies on all purchases and handling services. We will offer combined shipping on multiple item purchases to save our customers on charges up to a maximum volume and weight by our discretion. Local pick up customers must have their purchases paid in full (ie. Paypal, credit card, or money order) prior to pick up and plan to arrive during the specified pickup time and location. Failure to arrive by the end of the specified/scheduled pickup time period will result in an additional handling fee for the next local pick up or extension period which must be paid in full to Sensuz Media Inc. (paypal or credit card). Please contact your sales representative or Sensuz Sales if you must change or extend pickup times. All local pick up customers will be notified by email confirmation by Sensuz Media with package(s) order number and will be required to present a valid Ontario driverʼs license with the identical name that appears on their paypal/credit card account. Customers will also be required to sign for the product for pickup confirmation. In event of failure to pickup item(s), a 15% restocking fee will be applied as outline above. Handling fee(s) are not refundable. ADDRESS: (Please note, this location is NOT a show room and no stock is kept there) The UPS Store ATTN: Sensuz Media Inc (Suite 173) 4261-A14 Highway 7 East, Unionville, Ontario L3R 9W6, CANADA Click here for a MAP CURRENT PICK-UP TIMES: If products are in stock at the time, orders received by 12:00pm EST (noon) on Wednesdays can be picked as early as the same Friday at 9AM. Customers will be notified by email at the earliest convenience regarding pick up of items that are not in stock or that are back ordered. If you must cancel or revise pickup times, notifications must be received by 3pm EST Thursday. Please check for email or phone confirmation of pickup date prior to arrival. Customers now have ONE full week to pick up their item from the day they are notified before being charged an additional handling fee (see above). UPS store hours (as of January 2008): Monday to Friday 9AM - 6:30PM Saturday 9AM -12:30PM No pick-up available on Sundays, Holidays or Long Weekends. Thank you, Sensuz Media Inc

[bogey]

i am at right under CN tower(concord cityplace
), still can pick up ther signal? a guy at canadian tire said can't.

Time to surrender your ATSC membership card. j/k

The CT guy might be thinking about those gain diagrams that shows maximum gain in the forward direction.

http://www.digitalhome.ca/ota/superantenna/DBGHvsCM4228_2.gif

But these gain plots are for the receiving antennas, the transmitting antennas are usually less directional to broadcast in more directions (possibly even non/omni-directional).

Being so close however, you can probably just use a loop or some rabbit-ears antenna.
You might still want a CM-4221 etc. for American stations.

[ephemera]

For those who have ordered from Sensuz before, how long do you have to wait before you can pick up the item?

Also, has anyone used the 4221HD successfully indoors?

i am currently using the 4221HD indoors successfully. I have it at sitting in a bedroom window. Pretty much takes up the full window. I pick up most channels except 57-1 (citytv). (if I aim it more at the CNtower I get city). I think if I had it on a proper tripod I could position it perfectly to get most cdn OTA's. This is without a preamp and I am in the erin mills+lakeshore area. I am getting around 90-100% signal strength.

If I have the antenna on the ground floor, the signal goes down to 30% or less which kinda matches my coathanger antenna reception.

[vim]

Whereabouts in RH? I am south of Elgin Mills, west of Bayview - no line of sight to CN tower. I currently have a huge outdoor antennae inside attic but only pick up CBC and CTV HD. I'm thinking of replacing it with the CM4221 and CM7777 (if necessary).

I am south of Maj. Mackenzie close to Bayview.

[joeboo]

i am currently using the 4221HD indoors successfully. I have it at sitting in a bedroom window. Pretty much takes up the full window. I pick up most channels except 57-1 (citytv). (if I aim it more at the CNtower I get city). I think if I had it on a proper tripod I could position it perfectly to get most cdn OTA's. This is without a preamp and I am in the erin mills+lakeshore area. I am getting around 90-100% signal strength.

If I have the antenna on the ground floor, the signal goes down to 30% or less which kinda matches my coathanger antenna reception.

Ephemera

Do you receive any of the American (Buffalo I suppose) HD channels???

Thanks,

[Smokey Bear]

I have the 4221 knockoff digiwave model in my backroom near a window pointed towards the CN tower. I live near Bloor and Spadina. I get CBC, CTV, CBC-french, Global, Omni 1 and 2, City TV, and a couple of others I don't recall the name off. City TV comes in the worst - signal strength overall is good, but frequently drops for a split-second making a lot of annoying breaks. I will mount it outside for the summer. Could be better considering how close I am - perhaps it is the Antenna.

[JebateVrag]

for a preamp the CM7777 is one of the better ones out there. it has a noise margin of 2.0 on UHF which is VERY desirable.
id recommend it any day

CM7777
VHF Gain: 23 dB
UHF Gain: 26 dB

CM7778
VHF Gain: 16 dB
UHF Gain: 23 dB

This might be too powerful

I might recommend Winegard AP8700
http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=SAP8700
Gain: VHF 17dB / UHF 19 dB

Or
Winegard HDP 269 SquareShooter Pre-Amplifier
http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=ANWHDP269
The Winegard HDP-269 has been designed specifically to overcome the digital drop-outs associated with over-amplification.
• Average Gain: 12dB / 69 channel

or

Winegard AP 4700 Chromstar 2000 Series UHF Pre Amplifier (AP-4700)
http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=SAP4700
• Gain: VHF By-Passed / UHF 19 dB


Note that HD OTA is on UHF (forget VHF)

These are recommendations for Toronto - Buffalo reception.

More detail here
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=461924
Too bad it is 93 pages long

[ryehigh17]

I am south of Maj. Mackenzie close to Bayview.

Great, close enough to me - just ordered antennae no pre-amp. Can't wait to hook this up !

[ephemera]

Ephemera

Do you receive any of the American (Buffalo I suppose) HD channels???

Thanks,

Yes, most of the buffalo HD OTA stations. nbc/cbs/abc/fox/cw/pbs

[prettyha8]

Wow, thanks for all that legal..

I visited the guy at SaveAndReplay.com (http://www.saveandreplay.com/) and he is Super nice. He is located right at 401/Dixie, beside the Panasonic building.

I think spending the extra $5 bux to buy the 4221HD from this guy in person (so you can ask all your questions and feel more confident about warranty and returns) might be better then buying from Sensuz where they make you pay to pick-up from the UPS store.

Just saying,...


Hi alkapone, Yes, we offer local-pickup. Please read below for details. http://www.sensuz.com/estore/catalog/shipping.php Local Pickup Option - Ontario Customers Only Customers may pick up merchandise locally to save on shipping fees. A minimum non-refundable handling fee of $5.00 CDN will be applied to a valid Ontario postal code when local pickup option is selected at the online store check-out. However, provincial sales tax still applies on all purchases and handling services. We will offer combined shipping on multiple item purchases to save our customers on charges up to a maximum volume and weight by our discretion. Local pick up customers must have their purchases paid in full (ie. Paypal, credit card, or money order) prior to pick up and plan to arrive during the specified pickup time and location. Failure to arrive by the end of the specified/scheduled pickup time period will result in an additional handling fee for the next local pick up or extension period which must be paid in full to Sensuz Media Inc. (paypal or credit card). Please contact your sales representative or Sensuz Sales if you must change or extend pickup times. All local pick up customers will be notified by email confirmation by Sensuz Media with package(s) order number and will be required to present a valid Ontario driver?s license with the identical name that appears on their paypal/credit card account. Customers will also be required to sign for the product for pickup confirmation. In event of failure to pickup item(s), a 15% restocking fee will be applied as outline above. Handling fee(s) are not refundable. ADDRESS: (Please note, this location is NOT a show room and no stock is kept there) The UPS Store ATTN: Sensuz Media Inc (Suite 173) 4261-A14 Highway 7 East, Unionville, Ontario L3R 9W6, CANADA Click here for a MAP CURRENT PICK-UP TIMES: If products are in stock at the time, orders received by 12:00pm EST (noon) on Wednesdays can be picked as early as the same Friday at 9AM. Customers will be notified by email at the earliest convenience regarding pick up of items that are not in stock or that are back ordered. If you must cancel or revise pickup times, notifications must be received by 3pm EST Thursday. Please check for email or phone confirmation of pickup date prior to arrival. Customers now have ONE full week to pick up their item from the day they are notified before being charged an additional handling fee (see above). UPS store hours (as of January 2008): Monday to Friday 9AM - 6:30PM Saturday 9AM -12:30PM No pick-up available on Sundays, Holidays or Long Weekends. Thank you, Sensuz Media Inc

[sinnor]

For the guys attempting to build their own antenna using examples from Youtube, use aluminum foil for your reflector. I built one about 1yr back and it cost me $1.99 to buy the transformer and about 20 mins to build. I used cooling pan thingy that you buy from the dollar store to rest hot/warm pots on for the fins instead of coat hangers. I was able to pickup most HD channels. I live on the 19th floor in a condo facing south/east/west.

Best of luck.

[Smokey Bear]

For the guys attempting to build their own antenna using examples from Youtube, use aluminum foil for your reflector. I built one about 1yr back and it cost me $1.99 to buy the transformer and about 20 mins to build. I used cooling pan thingy that you buy from the dollar store to rest hot/warm pots on. I was able to pickup most HD channels. I live on the 19th floor in a condo facing south/east/west.

Best of luck.

Sounds like you could pick up signals using a piece of wire. :lol:

[neo1973]

A minimum non-refundable handling fee of $5.00 CDN will be applied to a valid Ontario postal code when local pickup option is selected at the online store check-out.
That's lame!

[huthut]

I have CM 4221 in attic and I am located in the RIchmond Hill area. I am getting most of Toronto and BUffalo channels, probably about 13 HD.

My CBC channel is not very stable so I bought CM 7777 preamp. After attaching it to my antenna I am getting 0 channels!!!! I was explained that this is because preamp overloads my tunner. I had to move my pream about 20-30 feet away from antenna and then it worked. My preamp now works just as signal amplifier because I have a long cable run - maybe 70-80 feet. But CBC channels reception still not stable.

So before you are buying preamp - make sure you need it!!!!

That's kinda sucky. I'm in Markham and with my DB4 and CM7777 (in 2nd floor bedroom) I can get all the TO and Buffalo Channels. All the ones that broadcast in HD I can get except for MyTV which I can only get in SD. WGRZ (NBC) is iffy sometimes though. I tried the CM4221HD but it didn't perform as well as the DB4 for me.

[Riddick]

I have the original 4221 and it is kept in my main floor family room, but out of site behind a bookshelf. I am in North Mississauga, and amazingly, it picks up about 20 digital stations, including CityTV.

[Hogo]

A minimum non-refundable handling fee of $5.00 CDN will be applied to a valid Ontario postal code when local pickup option is selected at the online store check-out.

Most UPS Stores charge $5 a package to receive on your behalf. He's just passing that charge on.

[sandyriver]

Is this the same antenna as OP posted?

http://www.eoutletcanada.com/p-127-hd-antenna.aspx

[neo1973]

Is this the same antenna as OP posted?

http://www.eoutletcanada.com/p-127-hd-antenna.aspx

Nope. It's a clone.

[milhouse6]

http://www.digitalhome.ca/ota/superantenna/DBGHvsCM4228_2.gif

Subliminal porn

[dell11]

Time to surrender your ATSC membership card. j/k

The CT guy might be thinking about those gain diagrams that shows maximum gain in the forward direction.

http://www.digitalhome.ca/ota/superantenna/DBGHvsCM4228_2.gif

But these gain plots are for the receiving antennas, the transmitting antennas are usually less directional to broadcast in more directions (possibly even non/omni-directional).

Being so close however, you can probably just use a loop or some rabbit-ears antenna.
You might still want a CM-4221 etc. for American stations.

How do you read this chart?

I have a Digiwave 4 bay (CM-4221 clone), near Bovaird and Chinguacousy in Brampton. I cannot get any US stations, but I get all the CN tower stations great. Any advice on how to get the US stations?

I'm not using an official preamp, but a radio shack signal booster (which can also split the signal in 2).

[Tibbs]

How do you read this chart?

I have a Digiwave 4 bay (CM-4221 clone), near Bovaird and Chinguacousy in Brampton. I cannot get any US stations, but I get all the CN tower stations great. Any advice on how to get the US stations?

I'm not using an official preamp, but a radio shack signal booster (which can also split the signal in 2).

As far as I know those radio shack boosters also boost the noise and can do more harm than good to your signal. But Im sure you'll get many replies with more details!

[tet8suo]

Anyone know if I would be able to get any OTA HD (Or OTA in general) in the Peterborough area? Maybe I am too far North. :confused:
you might be able to get good info from here
ON - East of Oshawa - Peterborough, Trenton, Belleville, Kingston - OTA
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=43167

[dell11]

As far as I know those radio shack boosters also boost the noise and can do more harm than good to your signal. But Im sure you'll get many replies with more details!

All I know is that without the Radio Shack booster, I don't get as much signal strength as with it.

[prettyha8]

How do you read this chart?

I have a Digiwave 4 bay (CM-4221 clone), near Bovaird and Chinguacousy in Brampton. I cannot get any US stations, but I get all the CN tower stations great. Any advice on how to get the US stations?

I'm not using an official preamp, but a radio shack signal booster (which can also split the signal in 2).

Are you using a TV or a puter? If you're using a puter, the software that you are using might not be letting you pickup US channels. I know newer software like WinTV7 and M$-Media Center will only let you pickup either US or CDN, but not both, (well not easily that is).

Last night I tried out WatchHDTV (http://watchhdtv.net/default.aspx), EasyHDTV (http://www.enigmaindustries.com/easyhdtv/default.htm) and SageTV. All 3 picked up 24 digital channels (15x1080, 3x720, 6x480).

Of all three, I highly recommend EasyHDTV. I found SageTV to be a lot of Bloat, and WatchHDTV (beta) was buggy. Also EasyHDTV picked up the EPG-guide AND channel info + description for ALL channels!!, whereas the others didn't. However, EasyHDTV is only a 30-day trial.

[dell11]

Are you using a TV or a puter? If you're using a puter, the software that you are using might not be letting you pickup US channels. I know newer software like WinTV7 and M$-Media Center will only let you pickup either US or CDN, but not both, (well not easily that is).

Last night I tried out WatchHDTV (http://watchhdtv.net/default.aspx), EasyHDTV (http://www.enigmaindustries.com/easyhdtv/default.htm) and SageTV. All 3 picked up 24 digital channels (15x1080, 3x720, 6x480).

Of all three, I highly recommend EasyHDTV. I found SageTV to be a lot of Bloat, and WatchHDTV (beta) was buggy. Also EasyHDTV picked up the EPG-guide AND channel info + description for ALL channels!!, whereas the others didn't. However, EasyHDTV is only a 30-day trial.

I'm using a 32" Panasonic Viera LCD w/ ATSC Tuner.

[LOOSEWHEEL]

I am in Oakville and my Digiwave (4221 clone) picks up over 20 stations including Buffalo. I don't even have it mounted in the attic yet. It's just resting on some pillows in a second floor bedroom.

[lg777]

I have CM 4221 in attic and I am located in the RIchmond Hill area. I am getting most of Toronto and BUffalo channels, probably about 13 HD.

My CBC channel is not very stable so I bought CM 7777 preamp. After attaching it to my antenna I am getting 0 channels!!!! I was explained that this is because preamp overloads my tunner. I had to move my pream about 20-30 feet away from antenna and then it worked. My preamp now works just as signal amplifier because I have a long cable run - maybe 70-80 feet. But CBC channels reception still not stable.

So before you are buying preamp - make sure you need it!!!!

I'm in RH too with a CM4221. I have it mounted outside, with about a 12 feet cable run so I don't need a pre-amp. I have it mounted just below my eavestrough and grounded.

I get everything I think we can get from Toronto and Buffalo except NBC. Buffalo stations come in weak at around primetime but good signal otherwise.

I think mounting outside will help you a lot.

Also, the Samsung ATSC tuner is a great tuner and helped get me a lot more stations than an older ATSC tuner I had.

[bogey]

http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/cm4221az.gif

There isn't a whole lot to these diagrams.
This is a polar/overhead/azimuthal gain plot (they sometimes also show side-view/elevation plots (http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/cm4221.html)).
It conveys the gain of the antenna from an overhead/look-down point-of-view.

The CM-4221 has maximum gain in the forward direction (~17 dBi; not listed in the above diagram), and stations that are situated to the sides of the forward direction are not amplified as much.
(the large lobe farthest away from the centre is the forward direction (the lobe pointing up in the above diagram); the lobe 180-degrees from that largest lobe (the one pointing directly down here) represents the gain to a TV station that is situated directly behind the antenna).

dBi (=decibel isotropic) is just the amplification factor, expressed in a logarithmic unit.
To convert to actual gain the formula is:

gain=10^((gain in dBi)/10)
eg. 17 dBi is actually a gain of 10^(17/10)=10^1.7= ~50

For example, where the plot is -20 dB, that means the gain there is 17-20=-3 dBi.
-3 dBi is actually 10^(-3/10)=10^-0.3= ~0.5

[dell11]

http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/cm4221az.gif

There isn't a whole lot to these diagrams.
This is a polar/overhead/azimuthal gain plot (they sometimes also show side-view/elevation plots (http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/cm4221.html)).
It conveys the gain of the antenna from an overhead/look-down point-of-view.

The CM-4221 has maximum gain in the forward direction (~17 dBi; not listed in the above diagram), and stations that are situated to the sides of the forward direction are not amplified as much.
(the large lobe farthest away from the centre is the forward direction (the lobe pointing up in the above diagram); the lobe 180-degrees from that largest lobe (the one pointing directly down here) represents the gain to a TV station that is situated directly behind the antenna).

dBi (=decibel isotropic) is just the amplification factor, expressed in a logarithmic unit.
To convert to actual gain the formula is:

gain=10^((gain in dBi)/10)
eg. 17 dBi is actually a gain of 10^(17/10)=10^1.7= ~50

For example, where the plot is -20 dB, that means the gain there is 17-20=-3 dBi.
-3 dBi is actually 10^(-3/10)=10^-0.3= ~0.5

So what do you do with the dBi values? For example, how can I tell from this chart if I can get CityTV for example?

Also, I'm guessing, the bigger the lobe, the more range/less directional the antenna is??? Is this true?

[bogey]

You can't do much with it.
These diagrams just gives a relative comparison of amplification between different antenna models.
It won't tell you if you will actually pull in a station or not.

The farther away from the centre of the circle the plot line is (bigger lobe), the more amplification is available from the antenna (in that direction).
The only adjustment you have is to point the antenna at the TV station you wish to receive (that's why some people use a motorized rotator).

The dBi is just the amplification factor.
The bigger lobe => the better direction.

[ephemera]

I'm in RH too with a CM4221. I have it mounted outside, with about a 12 feet cable run so I don't need a pre-amp. I have it mounted just below my eavestrough and grounded.

I get everything I think we can get from Toronto and Buffalo except NBC. Buffalo stations come in weak at around primetime but good signal otherwise.

I think mounting outside will help you a lot.

Also, the Samsung ATSC tuner is a great tuner and helped get me a lot more stations than an older ATSC tuner I had.

I want to mount mine the same way, how did you ground it?

[hytong]

http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/grounding.gif
(http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/basics.html)

add a lighting arrestor for the center conductor

[lg777]

I want to mount mine the same way, how did you ground it?

Grouding wire and a copper rod 4 feet. The copper rod was easy to hammer into the ground and attach the wire. I was told never to ground to the water lines as some do. I got this from Yaamon in Digital Home forum. He has mounts as well. For screws into brick, I tried Tapcon but didn't work for me. I got the another type that expands into the brick as you screw in. You will need a hammerdrill and bits.

Just saw hytong's diagram and almost what I did. I had to drill a hole in the mast of the antenna to attach the grounding wire with a screw as well. The grounding block (attach the ground wire to it as well) and drip loop is important as well.

[SENSEI]

Most UPS Stores charge $5 a package to receive on your behalf. He's just passing that charge on.

I think this is one of the downfalls for Sensuz.

I don't really know why they are charging a pick-up fee, but I guess it's no different from local pickup fees when buying ebay?

I did notice that they have lowered it a bit. Was $10 a few years ago when I bought my first 4221. Since then, bought CM7777, CM4221HD, terk, hyperdrive, and few more OTA accessories for my parents' install as well.

I think it used to be $5 PER ITEM in the past...looks like it's a single fee per order now (I think)

Either way, the guys there seem to know what they are talking about and their prices are still cheaper if you can do the research online and don't mind buying online rather than in a physical store.

[gohtor]

I wonder how this antenna fares in mountainous areas like metro Vancouver?

depends where you are in vancouver. I live in burnaby and i have to move my antenna around just to get both cbc and global. i can't get the third one...

is there more hd channels? i'm not aware of anymore.

[ephemera]

Grouding wire and a copper rod 4 feet. The copper rod was easy to hammer into the ground and attach the wire. I was told never to ground to the water lines as some do. I got this from Yaamon in Digital Home forum. He has mounts as well. For screws into brick, I tried Tapcon but didn't work for me. I got the another type that expands into the brick as you screw in. You will need a hammerdrill and bits.

Just saw hytong's diagram and almost what I did. I had to drill a hole in the mast of the antenna to attach the grounding wire with a screw as well. The grounding block (attach the ground wire to it as well) and drip loop is important as well.

Good lord! i will just keep it inside then :cheesygri

[prettyha8]

Grouding wire and a copper rod 4 feet. The copper rod was easy to hammer into the ground and attach the wire. I was told never to ground to the water lines as some do. I got this from Yaamon in Digital Home forum. He has mounts as well. For screws into brick, I tried Tapcon but didn't work for me. I got the another type that expands into the brick as you screw in. You will need a hammerdrill and bits.

Just saw hytong's diagram and almost what I did. I had to drill a hole in the mast of the antenna to attach the grounding wire with a screw as well. The grounding block (attach the ground wire to it as well) and drip loop is important as well.

Thanks for the info. I will be sure to Ground my antenna this weekend.

Is grounding only for the possible case of lighting strikes, or does it help with signal to noise ratio?

ps) How expensive is this Copper 6 AWG Grounding wire?

[Smokey Bear]

I am in Oakville and my Digiwave (4221 clone) picks up over 20 stations including Buffalo. I don't even have it mounted in the attic yet. It's just resting on some pillows in a second floor bedroom.

WTF - I'm near downtown Toronto and I can't get that with the Antenna mounted in a good spot indoors.

[vdarosa]

I sell some of these 'clones' as you may call them at my store in Bolton (north of Toronto). In my area, with the antenna on the roof, in clear site of the CN Tower, I am picking up 27 digital television stations.

I have never tested a channel master product, but I can tell you that it couldn't work any better than my clone. I honestly think you are paying for a name in this case.

I would highly recommend these to anyone with and HDTV and a built in ATSC Tuner.

[hytong]

Thanks for the info. I will be sure to Ground my antenna this weekend.

Is grounding only for the possible case of lighting strikes, or does it help with signal to noise ratio?

ps) How expensive is this Copper 6 AWG Grounding wire?

1. release static charges so you and your equipment won't get a shock
2. yes it helps with S/N as everything is relative to 0V, getting a good ground 0V reference esp with unbalanced transmission is never a bad idea, bury the coxial cable underground if you have long runs can reduce EMI/RFI
3. http://www.repairfaq.org/ELE/F_surplus_ca.html
call in advance to make sure they have what you want and open for business
4. when lightning strikes, you need something similar to an MOV in your surge bar to clamp and bleed off excess voltage in time, see the link below for details
http://www.dxzone.com/catalog/Technical_Reference/Lightning_Protection/

[JebateVrag]

Good lord! i will just keep it inside then :cheesygri

If people were able to do all this safely from the 40's to 80's when almost everyone had an outdoor antenna then why would it be so much more difficult today? Or maybe you can't do what you daddy was able to do way back when.

By putting antenna outside you get much better reception

[SENSEI]

1. release static charges so you and your equipment won't get a shock
2. yes it helps with S/N as everything is relative to 0V, getting a good ground 0V reference esp with unbalanced transmission is never a bad idea, bury the coxial cable underground if you have long runs can reduce EMI/RFI
3. http://www.repairfaq.org/ELE/F_surplus_ca.html
call in advance to make sure they have what you want and open for business
4. when lightning strikes, you need something similar to an MOV in your surge bar to clamp and bleed off excess voltage in time, see the link below for details
http://www.dxzone.com/catalog/Technical_Reference/Lightning_Protection/

This is relatively optimistic thinking.

If you're hit by lightning, trust me, your equipment is going to be toast regardless of if you have a grounding rod or arrestor.

Essentially, all we're doing with the grounding is decreasing the chances of being hit by lightning. It's like making ourselves invisible to the lightning being attracted to our high point.

But to say we can stop lightning in it's tracks once propagating down our Coax is wishful thinking. :o

[audit13]

I'm in RH too with a CM4221. I have it mounted outside, with about a 12 feet cable run so I don't need a pre-amp. I have it mounted just below my eavestrough and grounded.....
What did you use to mount it to your house? Did you use a j-pole?

I'm going to Save and Replay tomorrow to pick up a cm4221 or 4221hd. I've read on DHC that the older 4221 is actually better than the new 4221hd.

[ephemera]

Or maybe you can't do what you daddy was able to do way back when.



Dude wtf are you saying?! Most of those old antennas where professional installs. not some do it yourself things. Would you trust having an expensive tv hooked up to an antenna that your not 100% sure is safe from some lighting strike damaging it?

[lg777]

What did you use to mount it to your house? Did you use a j-pole?

I'm going to Save and Replay tomorrow to pick up a cm4221 or 4221hd. I've read on DHC that the older 4221 is actually better than the new 4221hd.

I used a wall mount like this...

http://www.starkelectronic.com/cm9025.jpg

I used this to attach the antenna to the mast...

http://www.starkelectronic.com/cm9017.jpg

[lg777]

Thanks for the info. I will be sure to Ground my antenna this weekend.

Is grounding only for the possible case of lighting strikes, or does it help with signal to noise ratio?

ps) How expensive is this Copper 6 AWG Grounding wire?

You may want to wait until spring...the ground is probably really hard right now or use a real heavy steel mallet.

Grounding is to reduce/eminate static charge build up due to the wind. The static build up is what attracts lightening. This is the explanation I was given and makes sense to me. I'm not sure how much of an impact the static has on the reception of the antenna but I don't think it will make it worse.

I'm not sure how much 6 AWG wire is but it isn't expensive. Any hardware store should have it. Home Depot will have it.

[lg777]

What did you use to mount it to your house? Did you use a j-pole?

I'm going to Save and Replay tomorrow to pick up a cm4221 or 4221hd. I've read on DHC that the older 4221 is actually better than the new 4221hd.

Remember that you should have a clear view to the south when you mount the antenna. For this reason, people mount on the rooftop. I back into a field with low trees and have a unobstructed view to the south but I realized that my elevation is slightly lower and that is why I think I get some signal loss during prime time.

[prettyha8]

What did you use to mount it to your house? Did you use a j-pole?

I'm going to Save and Replay tomorrow to pick up a cm4221 or 4221hd. I've read on DHC that the older 4221 is actually better than the new 4221hd.


Posts #2, #3, and #4 (from this sticky @ http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=100058) says that the 4221HD is better then the original 4221 due to a larger reflector area. The gain figures are higher as well for different frequencies.

[prettyha8]

I sell some of these 'clones' as you may call them at my store in Bolton (north of Toronto). In my area, with the antenna on the roof, in clear site of the CN Tower, I am picking up 27 digital television stations.

I have never tested a channel master product, but I can tell you that it couldn't work any better than my clone. I honestly think you are paying for a name in this case.

I would highly recommend these to anyone with and HDTV and a built in ATSC Tuner.

My friend picked up a $30 dollar clone today and the antenna was really messed up coming out of the box. I mean assembling it is fine, but the bow-tie dipoles were all outta wack.
We had to fix the angles of the bow-ties so that ends would be 90mm apart. Also, we had to take apart some bow-ties and re-assemble them in-order to assure that all bow-ties were on a vertical plane, and the same distance from the reflector. [More specs of the antenna can be found here: http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=100094&highlight=cm4221hd]

After correcting the dipoles of the clone, my friend and I were able to pull in 24 digital channels with the clone from West Etobicoke. (15 @1080i, 3 @720, 6@480). 21 of 24 came in at 100% signal strength. 2 more (CHCH & CTS) came in at 100% after rotating the antenna 5 degrees towards Hamilton. And this was with the clone being indoors, attached to a lamp, in front of a window on the 2nd story pointing south to a backyard of tall trees.

I think with an official Channel Master you are paying for:
-accuracy (40 years of antenna physics)
-longevity (won't rust after 1 season)
-stronger build (won't bend from fat birds)
-higher residual value (we are all 'traders' here)

But if you were buying a clone and plan on keeping it away from the elements, (such as indoors or in an attic), it might be the way to go. That way you can buy 2 and make a 4228HD clone [http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/products/2008/659/x6594228HD-f.jpeg] =P

[tsatsa]

If people were able to do all this safely from the 40's to 80's when almost everyone had an outdoor antenna then why would it be so much more difficult today? Or maybe you can't do what you daddy was able to do way back when.

By putting antenna outside you get much better reception

I totally agree.

[coolnut]

i am at right under CN tower(concord cityplace
), still can pick up ther signal? a guy at canadian tire said can't.

No offense. "guy at canadian tire", definitely not someone I will ask for advise on TV and electronic stuff.

BTW I think "Rogers" has successfully brainwashed 90% of the canadian.

[audit13]

I used a wall mount like this...

http://www.starkelectronic.com/cm9025.jpg

I used this to attach the antenna to the mast...

http://www.starkelectronic.com/cm9017.jpg

Thanks for the info. Did you use lag bolts to attach the mount to the brick?

I did some more reading and I'll get the Wade 4bt-1483 if I can't find the original cm 4221.

[lg777]

Thanks for the info. Did you use lag bolts to attach the mount to the brick?

I did some more reading and I'll get the Wade 4bt-1483 if I can't find the original cm 4221.

I used something like this I got at Home Depot:

http://www.confast.com/images2/products/main/thunderstud-anchor.jpg

I had real problems with Tapcon but they are highly recommended.

[audit13]

I used something like this I got at Home Depot:

http://www.confast.com/images2/products/main/thunderstud-anchor.jpg

I had real problems with Tapcon but they are highly recommended.

Thanks again. It looks like you just drill a hole in the brick and the parts "expand" into the brick for a tight fit. I was going to use something like the tapcon screws as well but this looks like a better bet.

[Smokey Bear]

If people were able to do all this safely from the 40's to 80's when almost everyone had an outdoor antenna then why would it be so much more difficult today? Or maybe you can't do what you daddy was able to do way back when.

By putting antenna outside you get much better reception

I don't think there's any need for that kind of rudeness. That image probably looks pretty daunting to someone not used to doing these kinds of things. And for that matter, I'm pretty sure many people today are able to do all sorts of tasks their "Daddy" can't.

[lg777]

Thanks again. It looks like you just drill a hole in the brick and the parts "expand" into the brick for a tight fit. I was going to use something like the tapcon screws as well but this looks like a better bet.

Yes, drill the hole with the right bit size. You don't want to go too big. These are heavy duty ones (there are different grades) and will expand as you tighten.

You have to pre-drill with a Tapcon anyways and it always got stuck on me when I tried going into brick.

[Pavel]

depends where you are in vancouver. I live in burnaby and i have to move my antenna around just to get both cbc and global. i can't get the third one...

is there more hd channels? i'm not aware of anymore.
I believe there's the Seattle Stations. However, I'm not sure where the towers are located or if we can get them in Metro Vancouver. I do know some people in Chilliwack were able to watch the Superbowl using their OTA antenna and had the US commercials.

[Pavel]

I don't think there's any need for that kind of rudeness. That image probably looks pretty daunting to someone not used to doing these kinds of things. And for that matter, I'm pretty sure many people today are able to do all sorts of tasks their "Daddy" can't.
I looked at that diagram and I went OMG. I wish I knew how to do that. And my old man couldnt use the internet if his life depended on it.

[kleptodathief]

actual pix of any rfders coat hanger antenna?

[royaljelly]

actual pix of any rfders coat hanger antenna?

Here's my home job (done for fun), made of a spare piece of ceiling board, 8 coat hangers, some speaker wires, clear packing tape and a balun. I wonder if adding some kind of metal mesh behind it as a reflector will give me more stations? It's in my family room ground level (I live in North York Leslie, just south of 401) and get the following stations in HD: CBC, CTV (CFTO), CBC french, plus a bunch in analog. Signal on ground floor seems better if going through a window. I can't see the CN tower from where I live (I haven't been on the roof yet) If I bring the antenna upstairs to second floor I also get WNLO (?CBS), CITYTV, OMNI2. All the HD stations are crystal clear on my samsung w/ built in ATSC tuner.

Eventually I'll buy a CM4221HD w/ a preamp and have it installed properly outdoors.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8898/img0877.th.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0877.jpg)

[ephemera]

Here's my home job (done for fun), made of a spare piece of ceiling board, 8 coat hangers, some speaker wires, clear packing tape and a balun. I wonder if adding some kind of metal mesh behind it as a reflector will give me more stations? It's in my family room ground level (I live in North York Leslie, just south of 401) and get the following stations in HD: CBC, CTV (CFTO), CBC french, plus a bunch in analog. Signal on ground floor seems better if going through a window. I can't see the CN tower from where I live (I haven't been on the roof yet) If I bring the antenna upstairs to second floor I also get WNLO (?CBS), CITYTV, OMNI2. All the HD stations are crystal clear on my samsung w/ built in ATSC tuner.

Eventually I'll buy a CM4221HD w/ a preamp and have it installed properly outdoors.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8898/img0877.th.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0877.jpg)

Does your tv have a built in guide? Mine just show the channel numbers and call station id

[royaljelly]

Does your tv have a built in guide? Mine just show the channel numbers and call station id

No it doesn't seem to have a guide for DTV signals, but i haven't read through the manual yet. When I press info, it does give some info about show name and times (on some HD channels though). I have the Samsung LN40A450 (720p).

I read some guys have full guide on their tuners like you see on a satelite or cable box receiver.

[laolee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWQhlmJTMzw

where can i get the vhf uhf transformer?

[sidseven]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWQhlmJTMzw

where can i get the vhf uhf transformer?

I saw one at the Source this week, I think it was around $5. I think some people have found them at dollar stores too.

[ppl4golf]

WTF - I'm near downtown Toronto and I can't get that with the Antenna mounted in a good spot indoors.


If people were able to do all this safely from the 40's to 80's when almost everyone had an outdoor antenna then why would it be so much more difficult today? Or maybe you can't do what you daddy was able to do way back when.

By putting antenna outside you get much better reception


Dude wtf are you saying?! Most of those old antennas where professional installs. not some do it yourself things. Would you trust having an expensive tv hooked up to an antenna that your not 100% sure is safe from some lighting strike damaging it?


I totally agree.


I don't think there's any need for that kind of rudeness. That image probably looks pretty daunting to someone not used to doing these kinds of things. And for that matter, I'm pretty sure many people today are able to do all sorts of tasks their "Daddy" can't.

The dude who swore was a little more rude:D

Outdoor antenna >>>>>>>>> indoor and even if the antenna is low hanging, you'll likely get all Toronto stations and at least half the Buffalo stations. Big tower is a professional job but putting an antenna on the chimney is not.

BTW - I also disapprove class reveiling phrases like 'daddy can do', 'mommy is paying for it' etc.

[ClubberLang]

Is this worth the extra money compared to the Canada Computers knock off?
whre is the pickup location?

[laolee]

I saw one at the Source this week, I think it was around $5. I think some people have found them at dollar stores too.


thanks.
the angle from my window looking up the top of cn tower is 45 degree, hope thats not too close

[bogey]

Is this worth the extra money compared to the Canada Computers knock off?
whre is the pickup location?

Doesn't sound like there is a BIG difference judging from some of the owner feedbacks; even some DIY models claim to perform fairly well.



where can i get the vhf uhf transformer?

Zellers had A/V accesories for $1 a few months ago (splitters, ...; don't recall transformer specifically).

[ppl4golf]

No it doesn't seem to have a guide for DTV signals, but i haven't read through the manual yet. When I press info, it does give some info about show name and times (on some HD channels though). I have the Samsung LN40A450 (720p).

I read some guys have full guide on their tuners like you see on a satelite or cable box receiver.

I have EPG on my Samsung PN50A550 plasma for ATSC tuner.
Press the CH LIST button and it shows. Slightly dumb interface but it works and it's fast. The list only shows the programs with the next 12-24 hours or so but it's better than nothing.

How's the A450 ? Same thing ??

[lindmar]

I will add my own experiences.

I did a DIY model and it worked AWESOME.

I was impressed.

But then after a while it seemed to get flaky. Really required the perfect positioning.

I bought this exact antenna thats on sale and nailed it to my fence outside.
It's bloody perfect. Channels are ALWAYS in, no position issues and I get stuff from all over the place.

BUy it.
:cheesygri

[sidshock]

If people were able to do all this safely from the 40's to 80's when almost everyone had an outdoor antenna then why would it be so much more difficult today? Or maybe you can't do what you daddy was able to do way back when.

By putting antenna outside you get much better reception


yes they did it, but a lot didn't ground it, etc...

btw: you can ground to a waterpipe fine as long as it's all copper runs thru the house, and not the rubber tubing.

and you can ground off the gas pipe as it must be bonded too....

copper wire is not cheap though, so go for the shortest distance.

[nomaansikandar]

I made the DIY youtube version, and it gives me pretty crappy reception. I'm thinking of going for the 4221HD as well.

[ppl4golf]

For anyone who is serious about OTA(HD), the antenna that is definitely worth DIY is the latest SBGH...but it's not a 5-minute job.

Otherwise, I totally agree why not just spend a little downward of $50 and start watching HD.

[teoconca]

yes they did it, but a lot didn't ground it, etc...

btw: you can ground to a waterpipe fine as long as it's all copper runs thru the house, and not the rubber tubing.

and you can ground off the gas pipe as it must be bonded too....

copper wire is not cheap though, so go for the shortest distance.

Where can I find copper tube and wire? My waterpipe is to far for me to ground to. I have to put the copper tube beneath my antenna and sat. dish. How long and how deep the copper tube needs to be in the ground? My current satellite is not grounded though, do I need to ground it? I am in GTA. Thanks.

[funkylist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWQhlmJTMzw

where can i get the vhf uhf transformer?

try looking at some of the smaller dollar stores eg 99c depot

[Lobut]

Great .... $20 shipping plus they only accept paypal. These guys can jump into a well and die.

[audit13]

I got the cm 4221HD from Save and Replay. The owner was was very friendly and helpful.

I sat the antenna at the front of my house on a bar stool facing south-west and picked up quite a few HD stations. Looks like I'll have to have it mounted to the chimney. I'd do it myself but I don't have a ladder that'll reach the top of the roof.

Unfortunately, the atsc tuner in my Hauppauge 1600 tuner isn't as sensitive as the tuner in my hdtv.

[laolee]

i live in a condo, so should get an indoor antenna instead?
Antennas Direct Terrestrial Digital
Multi-Directional UHF HDTV Antenna
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2430409&sku=A515-1000

[teoconca]

i live in a condo, so should get an indoor antenna instead?
Antennas Direct Terrestrial Digital
Multi-Directional UHF HDTV Antenna
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2430409&sku=A515-1000

Same antenna, DB2, but this place is cheaper ($34.95) :
http://www.swiftgamers.com/product-p/db2.htm

[Tibbs]

yes they did it, but a lot didn't ground it, etc...

btw: you can ground to a waterpipe fine as long as it's all copper runs thru the house, and not the rubber tubing.

and you can ground off the gas pipe as it must be bonded too....

copper wire is not cheap though, so go for the shortest distance.


My Expressvu install for dish is grounded to my water pipe valve outside. I only noticed it a few months ago. Now with your comment I just thought more on it and I do indeed have the rubber tubing throughout the house. So the ExpressVu guy is an idiot then! What repurcussions can this have for me? Is it dangerous?

Thanks

[teoconca]

For those who want to buy CM4221HD for $55, this store has it and other satellite and antenna equipments. It has other locations around GTA.

http://transatelectronics.com/store/channel-master-4bay-ultratenna%C3%82%E2%84%A2_P514

[FAQ]

For those who want to buy CM4221HD for $55, this store has it and other satellite and antenna equipments. It has other locations around GTA.

http://transatelectronics.com/store/channel-master-4bay-ultratenna%C3%82%E2%84%A2_P514

thanks . Anyone know where you can pick up this set in GVRD for the similar price ?

[sinnor]

I bought a small amplified antenna from xscargo as I live in a condo so condo owners may want to check it out:

http://www.shopxscargo.com/product_catalogue/cat_product_details.asp?category_id=6&product_code=57624&sub_category_1_id=11&category=Accessories

Paid $19.97 + tax

Picking up about 19 channels total and it's really tiny.

[sLAsh]

My Expressvu install for dish is grounded to my water pipe valve outside. I only noticed it a few months ago. Now with your comment I just thought more on it and I do indeed have the rubber tubing throughout the house. So the ExpressVu guy is an idiot then! What repurcussions can this have for me? Is it dangerous?

Thanks

You will be fine because he grounded to the pipe outside of your house it doesn't matter what kind of plumbing you have in your house. The only time it matters would be if the plastic pipe creates a break between where you have ground your antenna and where your plumbing connects to the street.

[jaggudada]

Has any one tried this in the Vancouver area? Any places where you can buy the equipment in Vancouver area apart from making one yourself?

[vdub07]

You will be fine because he grounded to the pipe outside of your house it doesn't matter what kind of plumbing you have in your house. The only time it matters would be if the plastic pipe creates a break between where you have ground your antenna and where your plumbing connects to the street.

I don't think he's fine... my house has pex feeding all of the outside taps. i.e. they are NOT grounded. Regardless, I was under the impression that the only acceptable ground for OTA was a thick copper wire attached to a buried ground pin.

[Gigi]

Same antenna, DB2, but this place is cheaper ($34.95) :
http://www.swiftgamers.com/product-p/db2.htm

Has anyone compared this antenna and the CM4221HD for indoor use? I know the CM is more sensitive, but I'm not sure if that would make as big of a difference indoors.

[laolee]

Has anyone compared this antenna and the CM4221HD for indoor use? I know the CM is more sensitive, but I'm not sure if that would make as big of a difference indoors.

someone posted at digitalhome.com said he has it and happy with it

[laolee]

thanks . Anyone know where you can pick up this set in GVRD for the similar price ?


thanks, and infonec has it and they have a downtown store

[Tibbs]

I don't think he's fine... my house has pex feeding all of the outside taps. i.e. they are NOT grounded. Regardless, I was under the impression that the only acceptable ground for OTA was a thick copper wire attached to a buried ground pin.

In my basement I have the thick copper wire grounding the main pipe. That's fine for the house but from that main pipe I have the plastic tubing going to the wall that has the outside valve. So it does not look like there's anything but plastic connecting the ground wire and outside valve.

[Tibbs]

I don't think he's fine... my house has pex feeding all of the outside taps. i.e. they are NOT grounded. Regardless, I was under the impression that the only acceptable ground for OTA was a thick copper wire attached to a buried ground pin.

So I mean that I think you are correct in saying that I am not fine. But what would this mean? If I get a lightning strike it goes right into my house and fries my stuff?

Also, where can I buy a ground pin? I would guess I just hammer it into the ground below the dish and run that wire to it instead?

Thanks guys. I'm just concerned now about this. I'm planning on getting a CM4221HD so I have to get a grounding pin anyways.

[fly]

Also, where can I buy a ground pin? I would guess I just hammer it into the ground below the dish and run that wire to it instead?


The grounding pin, I think it's more commonly known as a grounding rod:

http://www.sensuz.com/estore/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=36_62&products_id=129

[vdub07]

So I mean that I think you are correct in saying that I am not fine. But what would this mean? If I get a lightning strike it goes right into my house and fries my stuff?

If your antenna/dish gets struck by lightning your stuff will likely get fried regardless... a proper ground just reduces the likelihood of a direct hit.

[sLAsh]

I don't think he's fine... my house has pex feeding all of the outside taps. i.e. they are NOT grounded. Regardless, I was under the impression that the only acceptable ground for OTA was a thick copper wire attached to a buried ground pin.

My bad. I didn't read his post correctly. I thought it was attached to where the feed came in the house. EG the street side of the shut off valve.
You are right if it is just connected to an outside tap it isn't doing anything.

[Tibbs]

Thanks,

Does Save and Replay sell Grounding rods? I dont see one on their website.

[bogey]

If you have ~4 ft. length of leftover steel rebar lying around you can use it as a grounding rod (4 ft. is probably below the frost line in most parts of southern Canada).

Although the chances of a lightning strike is not very high if the antenna is under an eavestrough, it might help to reduce static pickup.

[teoconca]

Thanks,

Does Save and Replay sell Grounding rods? I dont see one on their website.

I saw HD has the copper grounding rod. Pretty long about 7-8 feet.

[audit13]

T...Outdoor antenna >>>>>>>>> indoor and even if the antenna is low hanging, you'll likely get all Toronto stations and at least half the Buffalo stations. Big tower is a professional job but putting an antenna on the chimney is not....

I had my cm 4221hd in my second floor bedroom and got the Toronto stations but only one Buffalo station. I placed it outside on my front lawn and picked several Buffalo stations. I'm going to mount it on the chimney with a cm pre-amp to make sure I get as many stations as possible. . I'm going to do everything myself in stages. Since my house is a two storey, it'll take me time to plan everything and get the nerve to climb up on the roof.

Anybody know what shoes are best for moving/crawling on the roofing tiles?

[brandnew]

i am at right under CN tower(concord cityplace
), still can pick up ther signal? a guy at canadian tire said can't...
lol

[leonkaz]

I'm going to mount it on the chimney with a cm pre-amp to make sure I get as many stations as possible.

that may be a mistake (pre-amp) - do more research go to digitalhome.ca forum

[ppl4golf]

I had my cm 4221hd in my second floor bedroom and got the Toronto stations but only one Buffalo station. I placed it outside on my front lawn and picked several Buffalo stations. I'm going to mount it on the chimney with a cm pre-amp to make sure I get as many stations as possible. . I'm going to do everything myself in stages. Since my house is a two storey, it'll take me time to plan everything and get the nerve to climb up on the roof.

Anybody know what shoes are best for moving/crawling on the roofing tiles?


that may be a mistake (pre-amp) - do more research go to digitalhome.ca forum

Contrary to what many think in theory, the preamp actually helps a lot when you have borderline reception like audit13 and myself. My single 4221 feeds off 5 splits, so the preamp is logical for me and the reception is better than if I just hook up one tuner using short run...doesn't make sense but it somehow 'stabilize' the really crappy waves.

Depends on the steepness of the roof, it's really not that scary. I wear running shoes and pick a good warm day in the spring to go up. You can also mount on a mast but they are only 10ft tall. I join 2 masts with different inner diameters up and I am about 18ft off the ground, 5 ft above the eaves but I don't get NBC often enough so I have to redo it in the spring.

[audit13]

Contrary to what many think in theory, the preamp actually helps a lot when you have borderline reception like audit13 and myself. My single 4221 feeds off 5 splits, so the preamp is logical for me and the reception is better than if I just hook up one tuner using short run...doesn't make sense but it somehow 'stabilize' the really crappy waves.

Depends on the steepness of the roof, it's really not that scary. I wear running shoes and pick a good warm day in the spring to go up. You can also mount on a mast but they are only 10ft tall. I join 2 masts with different inner diameters up and I am about 18ft off the ground, 5 ft above the eaves but I don't get NBC often enough so I have to redo it in the spring.
I want the pre-amp because I'll have a long cable run from the antenna to the splitter in the house. I'll be sending the signal to 2 an hdtv and a htpc.

Thanks for the tip. I've been up there once before but I climbed up using an antenna tower that is no longer present. I'm going to borrow a neighbour's ladder and see if I feel confident climbing on and off the ladder from the roof. I'll have to secure the ladder without damaging/denting the eaves as well.

I can't even get an NBC station. I've tried various locations from the ground with no luck. I get one CBS, ABC, Fox, and PBS station in addition to the local HD stations. I'm not too worried since I get NBC through my Rogers HD service.

I'm going to use a j-pole to mount the preamp and antenna.

I contacted Yaamon about doing the installation but I never heard back. I'm still willing to pay someone to do a very neat and professional installation but I haven't had any luck finding anyone.

How would you mount it on a mast? Would you join the two masts together, attach the antenna, and attach the mast to the side of the house and the base in the ground? How much would a mast cost?

[JebateVrag]

that may be a mistake (pre-amp) - do more research go to digitalhome.ca forum

Please explain why.

The 4221hd antenna is a mid-range antenna that can pick up signals from as far as 45 miles away. How far is Buffalo from Toronto? I think a wee bit more than 45 miles - even as the crow flies. As stated previously make sure the preamp is unde 20 dbi

[one-cheap-guy]

How far is Buffalo from Toronto?

At least 75 miles (for WGRZ, WIVB and WKBW), but you have height and the lake.

[teoconca]

I'm going to borrow a neighbour's ladder and see if I feel confident climbing on and off the ladder from the roof. I'll have to secure the ladder without damaging/denting the eaves as well.

Be careful on the way down. It is harder to go down than going up. Don't forget to have someone holding the ladder balance. Good luck.:|

[ppl4golf]

I want the pre-amp because I'll have a long cable run from the antenna to the splitter in the house. I'll be sending the signal to 2 an hdtv and a htpc.

Thanks for the tip. I've been up there once before but I climbed up using an antenna tower that is no longer present. I'm going to borrow a neighbour's ladder and see if I feel confident climbing on and off the ladder from the roof. I'll have to secure the ladder without damaging/denting the eaves as well.

I can't even get an NBC station. I've tried various locations from the ground with no luck. I get one CBS, ABC, Fox, and PBS station in addition to the local HD stations. I'm not too worried since I get NBC through my Rogers HD service.

I'm going to use a j-pole to mount the preamp and antenna.

I contacted Yaamon about doing the installation but I never heard back. I'm still willing to pay someone to do a very neat and professional installation but I haven't had any luck finding anyone.

How would you mount it on a mast? Would you join the two masts together, attach the antenna, and attach the mast to the side of the house and the base in the ground? How much would a mast cost?

You climbed up an antenna tower! That was very dangerous and you just earned an apprentice spot in the circus by doing that:cheesygri
What happened to that tower ??

Anyways, I go up at the lowest point of entry. Chimney mount is best bet while simple. I'd also mount a 10ft mast instead of J-bracket as that adds another 8-9 feet.

Currently, I joined 2 Home Depot metal electrical conduits (masts) 1" and 3/4" inner diameter I think. The skinny one goes inside the thick one (~2ft), drill a couple of holes, screw them together...

[lg777]

I want the pre-amp because I'll have a long cable run from the antenna to the splitter in the house. I'll be sending the signal to 2 an hdtv and a htpc.

Thanks for the tip. I've been up there once before but I climbed up using an antenna tower that is no longer present. I'm going to borrow a neighbour's ladder and see if I feel confident climbing on and off the ladder from the roof. I'll have to secure the ladder without damaging/denting the eaves as well.

I can't even get an NBC station. I've tried various locations from the ground with no luck. I get one CBS, ABC, Fox, and PBS station in addition to the local HD stations. I'm not too worried since I get NBC through my Rogers HD service.

I'm going to use a j-pole to mount the preamp and antenna.

I contacted Yaamon about doing the installation but I never heard back. I'm still willing to pay someone to do a very neat and professional installation but I haven't had any luck finding anyone.

How would you mount it on a mast? Would you join the two masts together, attach the antenna, and attach the mast to the side of the house and the base in the ground? How much would a mast cost?

I heard that V and E Antenna in Thornhill are professional installers. They are expensive though but check out their reviews in Digital Home or Google them. I think they have a lot of positive reviews. If I had to go to the roof, I would have got them to do it.

[rinottawa]

lazy man's option!

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj269/needthebucks/tv080.jpg

http://www.register-herald.com/homepage/images_sizedimage_331233443/xl

[ppl4golf]

lazy man's option!

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj269/needthebucks/tv080.jpg

http://www.register-herald.com/homepage/images_sizedimage_331233443/xl

Even that wound probably beat an indoor antenna:lol:

[BinaryJay]

i am at right under CN tower(concord cityplace
), still can pick up ther signal? a guy at canadian tire said can't.

Cityplace, poor you - on all sorts of levels. :(

[audit13]

I heard that V and E Antenna in Thornhill are professional installers. They are expensive though but check out their reviews in Digital Home or Google them. I think they have a lot of positive reviews. If I had to go to the roof, I would have got them to do it.

I read about V&E on dh as well. I'm going to give it shot this Thursday since it's suppose to be warm. If I don't feel confident that I can do it, I'll give them a call.

[Pavel]

Has any one tried this in the Vancouver area? Any places where you can buy the equipment in Vancouver area apart from making one yourself?
It obviously works, but your mileage may vary due to your location in Metro Vancouver. What I did was I bought a cheapo antenna from TSCC and I only got KVOS Digital and a MSN Shopping Channel. I returned the antenna for a full refund. Where I am, an OTA antenna is useless.

[sexyblackbmw]

Cityplace, poor you - on all sorts of levels. :(


Why do you say that? Whats wrong with Cityplace?

Why doesn't OTA antenna, seem to look anywhere as good as a Rogers 4250 box connected with HDMI to a TV?
Is it the old argument of Coaxial cable vs. HDMI?

I can't seem to get any OTA antenna I tried to look anywhere as good as Rogers HD boxes connected with HDMI to my tv's.

[ephemera]

Why do you say that? Whats wrong with Cityplace?

Why doesn't OTA antenna, seem to look anywhere as good as a Rogers 4250 box connected with HDMI to a TV?
Is it the old argument of Coaxial cable vs. HDMI?

I can't seem to get any OTA antenna I tried to look anywhere as good as Rogers HD boxes connected with HDMI to my tv's.

What kind of OTA antenna do you have? Even using a crappy coathanger antenna I was able to get HD broadcasts in full 1080i (I think thats the max). And its uncompressed compared to my expressvu. And thats just with the antenna hooked up with a crappy coax cable I had found laying around from 10 years ago plugged straight into my tv.

[redzone]

Why do you say that? Whats wrong with Cityplace?

Why doesn't OTA antenna, seem to look anywhere as good as a Rogers 4250 box connected with HDMI to a TV?
Is it the old argument of Coaxial cable vs. HDMI?

I can't seem to get any OTA antenna I tried to look anywhere as good as Rogers HD boxes connected with HDMI to my tv's.


One option is your not scanning for channels proporly. make sure when you go into your tv menu to scan for digital air channels.

the other is being that close to the cn tower ther eis a chance your tv tuner is getting overloaded which means you need to buy an attenuator. The source will sometimes carry them. what type of antenna are you useing?

[audit13]

You climbed up an antenna tower! That was very dangerous and you just earned an apprentice spot in the circus by doing that:cheesygri
What happened to that tower ??

Anyways, I go up at the lowest point of entry. Chimney mount is best bet while simple. I'd also mount a 10ft mast instead of J-bracket as that adds another 8-9 feet.

Currently, I joined 2 Home Depot metal electrical conduits (masts) 1" and 3/4" inner diameter I think. The skinny one goes inside the thick one (~2ft), drill a couple of holes, screw them together...
Going up on the antenna tower was easy because it was anchored in a poured concrete base and attached to the side of the house just above the 1st floor windows and again below the soffit. It was extremely sturdy and steady with no sway whatsoever.

Using a ladder, I climbed up and looked up at the chimney. I couldn't safely climb onto the roof and make my way to the chimney, therefore, I decided to mount the antenna on the side of the house below the eaves, facing south-west. I'm going to attach the cables and pre-amp tomorrow. Hopefully, my reception will be okay.

[laolee]

One option is your not scanning for channels proporly. make sure when you go into your tv menu to scan for digital air channels.

the other is being that close to the cn tower ther eis a chance your tv tuner is getting overloaded which means you need to buy an attenuator. The source will sometimes carry them. what type of antenna are you useing?


just set up db2, only get one ctv chanel very good, other just like without antenna

[william879]

can I use this antenna indoor? I know it would be ugly.

[audit13]

can I use this antenna indoor? I know it would be ugly.

Just about any antenna can be used indoors but it works best outside.

I had a 4221hd sitting in my front window and it only got 2 American stations. Sitting outside on my front walk on a bar stool, I got CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS, The CW, and MyTV.

[laolee]

getting 12 digital HD channels

[audit13]

Should the signal from the cm 4221 be amplified with a pre-amp such as the cm 7778 before being split in two?

[ihsn]

What sort of a tuner would you recommend? Is the Samsung DTB-H260F any good?

[prettyha8]

can I use this antenna indoor? I know it would be ugly.

As stated in one of my previous posts, I can get about 25 digital channels with a clone CM4221 strapped to a lamp post indoors in Etobicoke.


http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/3623/indoorsd.png
This is from a 2nd floor bedroom window facing south-east. (Signal does not change if blinds are up for down.) Yes, -> Very Ugly.

This is my channel lineup using no pre-amp and a 6ft RG6 cable going directly into my Hauppauge tv tuner. (23 channels come in at 100%, 26.1 and 26.2 come and go with less than 50% SNR)
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/328/chans.png

I plan on picking up a CM4221HD for outdoor usage as soon as the weather warms up a bit. I know with a longer cable run I will experience signal loss, and I am too cheap to buy a pre-amp right away. I will try the clone outdoors as well, but I have Zero to Low expectations on the clones gain over a long cable run. I will be donating this clone to a friend who lives in downtown Toronto on the 14th floor who plans to keep this indoors and tucked away behind his tv.

[teoconca]

prettyha8, that is very good reception and channel list. Would that be better if the antenna is in the attic? Higher would get you better reception and less ugly to see it attached to the light...

[laolee]

i get 12 channels by db2, can i get 10 more channel by 4221?

[prettyha8]

prettyha8, that is very good reception and channel list. Would that be better if the antenna is in the attic? Higher would get you better reception and less ugly to see it attached to the light...

The funny thing I found from having the antenna indoors is that the TV freezes and becomes pixelated when an incoming text message or call comes on my cell phone. Also, I noticed that sometimes my cell phone make some sort of carrier ping, and this affects the tv signal as well. (So for serious tv viewing I turn off my cell phone off :D). I also have wireless internet in the house, but I have not tested to see if reception increases if I disable wifi broadcast.

I can give the attic a shot to see if my reception becomes better or worse, but I am assuming the best bet would be outdoor with a pre-amp and good coax.

I still have to do pre-amp research but I am hearing a lot of talk about the CM7777. And I still don't know the difference between a pre-amp and an amp (for UHF signals).

[shabbasuraj]

Nope. It's a clone.

anyone try it?

[teoconca]

I still have to do pre-amp research but I am hearing a lot of talk about the CM7777. And I still don't know the difference between a pre-amp and an amp (for UHF signals).

Pre-amp is expensive. Not sure if it is worth it or give you any better than what you have currently. Agree outdoor will be the best but you have to ground it.

[ephemera]

As stated in one of my previous posts, I can get about 25 digital channels with a clone CM4221 strapped to a lamp post indoors in Etobicoke.


http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/3623/indoorsd.png
This is from a 2nd floor bedroom window facing south-east. (Signal does not change if blinds are up for down.) Yes, -> Very Ugly.

This is my channel lineup using no pre-amp and a 6ft RG6 cable going directly into my Hauppauge tv tuner. (23 channels come in at 100%, 26.1 and 26.2 come and go with less than 50% SNR)
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/328/chans.png

I plan on picking up a CM4221HD for outdoor usage as soon as the weather warms up a bit. I know with a longer cable run I will experience signal loss, and I am too cheap to buy a pre-amp right away. I will try the clone outdoors as well, but I have Zero to Low expectations on the clones gain over a long cable run. I will be donating this clone to a friend who lives in downtown Toronto on the 14th floor who plans to keep this indoors and tucked away behind his tv.

Thats pretty much my current set up.... your getting two more channels than me. and I am in mississauga/clarkson area. You get 57-1 and 64-1. I have antenna hanging by a rope in the window so i can't angle it properly to get the best reception needed. I think changing my coax cables to rg6 helped too.

[cmge]

where is a good place in downtown gta to get good RG6 cables... like 25-50ft?

[ephemera]

where is a good place in downtown gta to get good RG6 cables... like 25-50ft?

I got mine at a fleamarket in etobicoke somewhere near Keele.

[night blade]

I ordered a 50' + 2 x 6' RG6 from MP a week back, hope it shows up soon, picked up a 4221HD from a RFD member for $50 flat. From where I am (Scarborough Bluffs area) I can pickup a couple channels right now from Buffalo, then again the 4221 is in the basement ;), within a week it'll be hooked up to my chimley along with a crappy Philips indoor antenna pointing towards the CN tower, hoping to get around 20 channels but we'll see.

[magicray]

if your local to T.O just grab them at sayal. I think they were going for aroung $35-$40.

Here is the link http://http://www.sayal.com/Action_SEARCH.asp?search_key=antenna&search_category=DESCRIPTION&search_logic=0&images=0&offset=

[prettyha8]

Thats pretty much my current set up.... your getting two more channels than me. and I am in mississauga/clarkson area. You get 57-1 and 64-1. I have antenna hanging by a rope in the window so i can't angle it properly to get the best reception needed. I think changing my coax cables to rg6 helped too.

Yes, I can get 57.1 and 64.1 at 100% signal strength as well. The setup I am using to watch tv and report my signal strength is the following:

-Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-950Q USB stick, w/ 6ft RG6
-Easy HDTV [http://www.enigmaindustries.com/easyhdtv/default.htm
-Cyberlink PowerDVD8 audio and video codec

But of the 25 channels that I am getting, the guys at DHC report that you can get up to 39 digital channels. Then again, many might be repeats.

Here is the DHC list:


2.1 33.1 WGRZ-DT NBC Buffalo, NY
2.2 33.2 WGRZ-DT WTHR+ Buffalo, NY
3.1 54.1 WSTM-DT NBC Syracuse, NY
3.2 54.2 WSTQ-DT CW Syracuse, NY
3.3 54.3 WSTM-DT WTHR Syracuse, NY
4.1 39.1 WIBV-DT CBS Buffalo, NY
5.1 20.1 CBLT-DT CBC Toronto, ON
7.1 38.1 WKBW-DT ABC Buffalo, NY
7.2 38.2 WKBW-DT RTN Buffalo, NY
8.1 45.1 WROC-DT CBS Rochester, NY
9.1 40.1 CFTO-DT CTV Toronto, ON
10.1 58.1 WHEC-DT NBC Rochester, NY
10.2 58.2 WHEC-DT WTHR+ Rochester, NY
11.1 18.1 CHCH-DT E! Hamilton, ON
13.1 59.1 WHAM-DT ABC Rochester, NY
13.2 59.2 WHAM-DT CW Rochester, NY
15.1 15.1 CKXT-DT SUN Hamilton, ON
17.1 43.1 WNED-DT PBS-HD Buffalo, NY
17.2 43.2 WNED-DT PBS-SD Buffalo, NY
17.3 43.3 WNED-DT THINK Buffalo, NY
21.1 16.1 WXXI-DT PBS-HD Rochester, NY
21.2 16.2 WXXI-DT PBS-SD Rochester, NY
21.3 16.3 WXXI-DT THINK Rochester, NY
21.4 16.4 WXXI-DT PBS Rochester, NY
23.1 32.1 WNLO-DT CW Buffalo, NY
25.1 24.1 CBLFT-DT SRC Toronto, ON
26.1 27.1 WNYB-DT TBN-HD Buffalo, NY
26.2 27.2 WNYB-DT TBN-SD Buffalo, NY
29.1 14.1 WUTV-DT FOX-HD Buffalo, NY
29.2 14.2 WUTV-DT FOX-SD Buffalo, NY
31.1 28.1 WUHF-DT FOX Rochester, NY
36.1 35.1 CITS-DT CTS Hamilton, ON
41.1 65.1 CIII-DT GLOBAL Toronto, ON
44.1 44.1 CJMT-DT OMNI2 Toronto, ON
49.1 34.1 WNYO-DT My-HD Buffalo, NY
49.2 34.2 WNYO-DT My-SD Buffalo, NY
57.1 53.1 CITY-DT CITY Toronto, ON
64.1 64.1 CFMT-DT OMNI1 Toronto, ON
66.1 66.1 CKXT-DT SUN Toronto, ON

[audit13]

Yes, I can get 57.1 and 64.1 at 100% signal strength as well. The setup I am using to watch tv and report my signal strength is the following:

-Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-950Q USB stick, w/ 6ft RG6
-Easy HDTV [http://www.enigmaindustries.com/easyhdtv/default.htm
-Cyberlink PowerDVD8 audio and video codec

But of the 25 channels that I am getting, the guys at DHC report that you can get up to 39 digital channels. Then again, many might be repeats.


I am so jealous:cry: I was receiving wgrz and it was stable and watchable even though the signal was a little weak. After the storm this weekend, I can't get it back.

[prettyha8]

I had some ppl PM me about antenna pointing direction.

The website antennamap.com (http://www.antennamap.com/) does a pretty good google maps visualization of the towers around you. As bogey pointed out (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8336342&postcount=73), these antennas are somewhat directional.
Here is a screenshot of what's around GTA. Currently I have my clone pointing towards Lockport, NY.

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/6623/towers.png

Also, another trick that I used was to go to dishpointer.com (http://www.dishpointer.com/), turn on the "show obstacle (line of sight checker)", place the Red balloon in the area you want to point your antenna, and place the Green balloon at the location of where your antenna will be mounted. Then pan back to your house, switch to satellite/aerial view and see what the white-line intersects. Most times it will show you to aim at something like your neighbors chimney, or the corner of some house, or directly between 2 lamp posts, etc. Of course you do not need to be so precise.

[teoconca]

The website antennamap.com (http://www.antennamap.com/) does a pretty good google maps visualization of the towers around you. As bogey pointed out (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8336342&postcount=73), these antennas are somewhat directional.
Here is a screenshot of what's around GTA. Currently I have my clone pointing towards Lockport, NY.

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/6623/towers.png


Great link. Thanks.

[redzone]

Also, another trick that I used was to go to dishpointer.com (http://www.dishpointer.com/), turn on the "show obstacle (line of sight checker)", place the Red balloon in the area you want to point your antenna, and place the Green balloon at the location of where your antenna will be mounted. Then pan back to your house, switch to satellite/aerial view and see what the white-line intersects. Most times it will show you to aim at something like your neighbors chimney, or the corner of some house, or directly between 2 lamp posts, etc. Of course you do not need to be so precise.

You can also do this in google maps by creating your own map using MyMaps then using the line command.

[ppl4golf]

Great link. Thanks.


You can also do this in google maps by creating your own map using MyMaps then using the line command.


I had some ppl PM me about antenna pointing direction.

The website antennamap.com (http://www.antennamap.com/) does a pretty good google maps visualization of the towers around you. As bogey pointed out (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8336342&postcount=73), these antennas are somewhat directional.
Here is a screenshot of what's around GTA. Currently I have my clone pointing towards Lockport, NY.

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/6623/towers.png

Also, another trick that I used was to go to dishpointer.com (http://www.dishpointer.com/), turn on the "show obstacle (line of sight checker)", place the Red balloon in the area you want to point your antenna, and place the Green balloon at the location of where your antenna will be mounted. Then pan back to your house, switch to satellite/aerial view and see what the white-line intersects. Most times it will show you to aim at something like your neighbors chimney, or the corner of some house, or directly between 2 lamp posts, etc. Of course you do not need to be so precise.

Great links !
Back then, I did the Google Earth and it wasn't as easy. The aim is exactly the same though.

[consumerPI]

Using a Terk Amplified HD Antenna I am getting the following in red text - approx. 20+ HD Channels without having to move it around at all. Plus I'm on a ground floor that is facing South East, not South West. I can make the jittering go away most of the time if I slightly move the antenna. I can't believe the picture quality of most of these channels - stunning!

Does anyone know what this means when scanning for Cable & Air Channels:
"Select the Cable system...

Analog: 1. STD
2. HRC
3. IRC
Digital: 1. STD
2. HRC
3. IRC

What does HRC and IRC stand for? What should they be set at? STD I can guess is Standard. I remember being able to get 8-19 HD channels on Channels 83-7x when in cable mode about 6 months ago? Did Rogers get rid of these? Did I change a HR and or IRC setting? My TV is a Samsung.

2.1 33.1 WGRZ-DT NBC Buffalo, NY
2.2 33.2 WGRZ-DT WTHR+ Buffalo, NY
3.1 54.1 WSTM-DT NBC Syracuse, NY - Sometimes
3.2 54.2 WSTQ-DT CW Syracuse, NY
3.3 54.3 WSTM-DT WTHR Syracuse, NY
4.1 39.1 WIBV-DT CBS Buffalo, NY - Sometimes
5.1 20.1 CBLT-DT CBC Toronto, ON
7.1 38.1 WKBW-DT ABC Buffalo, NY
7.2 38.2 WKBW-DT RTN Buffalo, NY
8.1 45.1 WROC-DT CBS Rochester, NY
9.1 40.1 CFTO-DT CTV Toronto, ON
10.1 58.1 WHEC-DT NBC Rochester, NY
10.2 58.2 WHEC-DT WTHR+ Rochester, NY
11.1 18.1 CHCH-DT E! Hamilton, ON - Jittery
13.1 59.1 WHAM-DT ABC Rochester, NY
13.2 59.2 WHAM-DT CW Rochester, NY
15.1 15.1 CKXT-DT SUN Hamilton, ON
17.1 43.1 WNED-DT PBS-HD Buffalo, NY
17.2 43.2 WNED-DT PBS-SD Buffalo, NY
17.3 43.3 WNED-DT THINK Buffalo, NY
18.1 DTV - Jittery
21.1 16.1 WXXI-DT PBS-HD Rochester, NY
21.2 16.2 WXXI-DT PBS-SD Rochester, NY
21.3 16.3 WXXI-DT THINK Rochester, NY
21.4 16.4 WXXI-DT PBS Rochester, NY
23.1 32.1 WNLO-DT CW Buffalo, NY
25.1 24.1 CBLFT-DT SRC Toronto, ON
26.1 27.1 WNYB-DT TBN-HD Buffalo, NY
26.2 27.2 WNYB-DT TBN-SD Buffalo, NY
29.1 14.1 WUTV-DT FOX-HD Buffalo, NY - Jittery at times
29.2 14.2 WUTV-DT FOX-SD Buffalo, NY- Jittery at times
31.1 28.1 WUHF-DT FOX Rochester, NY
36.1 35.1 CITS-DT CTS Hamilton, ON
41.1 65.1 CIII-DT GLOBAL Toronto, ON
44.1 44.1 CJMT-DT OMNI2 Toronto, ON
49.1 34.1 WNYO-DT My-HD Buffalo, NY
49.2 34.2 WNYO-DT My-SD Buffalo, NY
57.1 53.1 CITY-DT CITY Toronto, ON
64.1 64.1 CFMT-DT OMNI1 Toronto, ON
66.1 66.1 CKXT-DT SUN Toronto, ON

[prettyha8]

Does anyone know what this means when scanning for Cable & Air Channels:
"Select the Cable system...

Analog: 1. STD
2. HRC
3. IRC
Digital: 1. STD
2. HRC
3. IRC


Sounds like you have a QAM tuner. I think HRC and IRC is not used much in Canada. (They make you buy Rogers' boxes.)

As for your TERK, the TERK HDTVi is a really really good indoor antenna (I used a Terk to watch the Beijing Olympics on CBC|HD).
If you give it some height, put it near a window and point it accordingly, you should easily be able to pull in 20 or so channels in the GTA. May have to "tweak the Terk" to get certain signals to lock on.
If you have a TERK HDTVa, you need to be careful as to not saturate your signal with too much amplification.

[zoolander]

Looking at that map, do I need two 4221HDs if I want to catch T.O. and Buffalo from Hamilton?

[GothicSkater]

Better yet, build one yourself with coat hangers. Search youtube for this. I did and I'm getting 8 HD channels now.

Does this really work though???

[cheap_guy]

Does this really work though???

YES! I get US channels from 77 miles. (with an amp)

[weezlboy]

"HRC" is harmonically related carriers. "IRC" is incrementally related carriers.

[william879]

my apartment (401&427 area) is on the 12th floor and facing north. How many channel roughly can I get from this Antenna?

[thelefteyeguy]

my apartment (401&427 area) is on the 12th floor and facing north. How many channel roughly can I get from this Antenna?

you might get some Cdn channels...but hard pressed to get Buffalo at your location and facing north...look at the map above...the antennas are south...not north

[ephemera]

Does this really work though???

Yep. Its mind blowing to think that coathangers screwed into a 2x4 can pick up 1080 signal in 5.1 surround sound!

[thelefteyeguy]

Yep. Its mind blowing to think that coathangers screwed into a 2x4 can pick up 1080 signal in 5.1 surround sound!

+1000....it works...im officially off Rogers VIP (1 month)...didnt watch enough TV to justify $70 a month.

[tsatsa]

my apartment (401&427 area) is on the 12th floor and facing north. How many channel roughly can I get from this Antenna?

You are facing north, I don't think you will much, except maybe Ch.3

[nedjel]

Where can I pick up a channel master or similar in Vancouver area ?
I’m actually in North Van and can see mount Baker (WA) in the distance, was wondering if I can pick up US channels.
Much appreciated.

[computer01]

Yep. Its mind blowing to think that coathangers screwed into a 2x4 can pick up 1080 signal in 5.1 surround sound!

If you want true 1080p, you need to spring for the Coat Hanger Extreme. Looks like a regular coat hanger. Hangs coats like a regular coat hanger. Has a lifetime warranty. Costs $24.99 per hanger. :cheesygri

It's not so mindblowing really. All an RF antenna is is a piece of metal. Granted, a good quality antenna will be matched for the wavelength(s) of the signal being received and harmonically tuned to provide the best reception etc.

That said, with enough signal strength, an antenna doesn't need to be perfect or even close to perfect to work.

[VanillaPep]

Do they ship to Montreal? For how $$?

[thelefteyeguy]

If you want true 1080p

hmmm

[cheap_guy]

hmmm

+1... no one broadcasts (OTA) in 1080P

edit: specified over the air broadcasts for 1080P. In any case, you obviously couldn't use a coathanger antenna to pull in dishnetwork tho.

[prettyha8]

+1... no one broadcasts in 1080P

'No one' is a strong word. :lol: Dishnetwork broadcasts 1080p VOD content via their TurboHD (http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/features/3006/satellite-vs-blu-ray-dishing-up-1080p.html) subscription package.

[rincewnd2002]

'No one' is a strong word. :lol: Dishnetwork broadcasts 1080p VOD content via their TurboHD (http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/features/3006/satellite-vs-blu-ray-dishing-up-1080p.html) subscription package.

Technically, Dish Network doesn't broadcast in 1080p, it's HD receivers upscale the signal. Still a very impressive picture though. Also, TurboHD is available for conventional programming in addition to VOD: http://www.dishnetwork.com/turbohd/programming/default.aspx

Given that they use Dish Net hardware here, it'd be nice if Bell TV would offer a comparable service in Canada

[cmge]

For those who want to buy CM4221HD for $55, this store has it and other satellite and antenna equipments. It has other locations around GTA.

http://transatelectronics.com/store/channel-master-4bay-ultratenna%C3%82%E2%84%A2_P514

i tried their brampton location and they only sold the clones... eaglestar for 30$... i ended up buying it instead.. -_- ;;

and i even asked the guy to call their other locations and they only carry the clones.. -_- ;;

[tzepau]

Transat electronics, www.transatelectronics.com which at the Dufferin location is inside the e-outlet store, has an Antenna Signal Finder for $19.99 until closing on Sunday. Ad is in the Hub computer paper you can find in boxes on the street on page TO7. The package says it is a DVB-T/ATSC finder. Don't know how it works but if it does, it could be useful when climbing up the roof to aim the antenna.

[gogetitnow]

I think only blue ray is 1080p ?

[audit13]

I got wgrz back after the rain storm a couple of weeks ago. I'm wondering if moving the antenna higher would help to improve my reception. I tried repositioning the antenna several times and a difference of a few degrees (up or down, left or right) causes me to lose wgrz.

Any ideas?

[redzone]

I got wgrz back after the rain storm a couple of weeks ago. I'm wondering if moving the antenna higher would help to improve my reception. I tried repositioning the antenna several times and a difference of a few degrees (up or down, left or right) causes me to lose wgrz.

Any ideas?

WGRZ is the devil in the TO area.. it is the bain of many OTA set ups. good luck.

[audit13]

WGRZ is the devil in the TO area.. it is the bain of many OTA set ups. good luck.

Really? I didn't know that. As I mentioned in my post, I just got it back after being without it for over 7 days:!:

It would take me hours to attach the antenna to my chimney since I don't like crawling around on the roof and I like to take my time with the connections, attachments, etc. I just assumed having the antenna mounted even higher would improve my reception. Maybe not:?:

[ihsn]

http://transatelectronics.com/store/flat-coaxial-cable_P206

Anyone have experience with these cables? I want to avoid drilling a hole at all costs ..

[A2B-Civic]

http://transatelectronics.com/store/flat-coaxial-cable_P206

Anyone have experience with these cables? I want to avoid drilling a hole at all costs ..

Nice find! I am going to be moving into my condo in a month, this will be very helpful. :lol:

[consumerPI]

So do you guys think that this Channel Master will get more channels than an Amplified Terk or Philips Silver Sensor models for indoors? Or are these three pretty well comparable?

[maddawg]

http://transatelectronics.com/store/flat-coaxial-cable_P206

Anyone have experience with these cables? I want to avoid drilling a hole at all costs ..

I have used those before, they work fine.

[cmge]

with my clone and ln32a450 these are the channels im getting... current setup is that the antenna is near a window facing the ceiling coz the cable i have is too short to make it face the window... -_-

DTV 4-1
Air 5
DTV 5-1
Air 9
DTV 9-1
Air 11
Air 15
Air 17
DTV 17-1
DTV 17-2
DTV 17-3
Air 19
Air 23
DTV 23-1
Air 25
DTV 25-1
DTV 29-1
DTV 29-2
Air 35
Air 41
DTV 43-8
DTV 43-9
DTV 44-1
Air 47
Air 49
Air 57
DTV 64-1
DTV 66-1
Air 69

however my reception is crappy, alot of them have weak to no signal... once i get longer cables i face it near the window and see if my reception is better... or even try it on my second floor facing the window as well... now if the reception doesnt change would i benefit from a preamp or not? and how far should the preamp be from the antenna? any help is appreciated.. thanks

[cheap_guy]

with my clone and ln32a450 these are the channels im getting... current setup is that the antenna is near a window facing the ceiling coz the cable i have is too short to make it face the window... -_-

DTV 4-1
Air 5
DTV 5-1
Air 9
DTV 9-1
Air 11
Air 15
Air 17
DTV 17-1
DTV 17-2
DTV 17-3
Air 19
Air 23
DTV 23-1
Air 25
DTV 25-1
DTV 29-1
DTV 29-2
Air 35
Air 41
DTV 43-8
DTV 43-9
DTV 44-1
Air 47
Air 49
Air 57
DTV 64-1
DTV 66-1
Air 69

however my reception is crappy, alot of them have weak to no signal... once i get longer cables i face it near the window and see if my reception is better... or even try it on my second floor facing the window as well... now if the reception doesnt change would i benefit from a preamp or not? and how far should the preamp be from the antenna? any help is appreciated.. thanks

The antenna should be oriented upright, not horizontally (if that's what you're describing) since you want the surface area of the antenna to be highest with respect to the direction the signal is coming from. With the bowtie type antenna, the bowtie side is the strong side and the reflector side is the weak side. You'll get very little signal gain from the sides.

A preamp (or regular amplifier) will definitely help your setup. I think 10 dB is the minimum you should use. The amp should be placed as close as you can to the antenna since there will be loss through the cable. Anything under 12 ft of RG6 should be fine. Most antenna setups are very unique, so you can try it close and then try it far and see if there's a difference. If you have very long cable runs (50 ft, 100 ft), you need to place an amp very near the antenna.

[diigii]

My friend bought a Chinese-made clone of the 4221 at Sayal Electronics (3 blocks northeast corner of Victoria Park Ave/McNicoll Ave) for $30. He's getting 39 HD channels now, compared to 20 when he was using the coat hanger antenna he made.

[redzone]

So do you guys think that this Channel Master will get more channels than an Amplified Terk or Philips Silver Sensor models for indoors? Or are these three pretty well comparable?

a Silver sensor gets about 8 db of strength compared to the 13db minimum with the CM4221HD going up to 15 on the higher channels. that's a big difference and reception will show the same results. Only use a preamplifier/ distribution amp if you have a long run of cable. other wise you can just make things worse( i have experienced this)

[GSD]

My friend bought a Chinese-made clone of the 4221 at Sayal Electronics (3 blocks northeast corner of Victoria Park Ave/McNicoll Ave) for $30. He's getting 39 HD channels now, compared to 20 when he was using the coat hanger antenna he made.


39HD channels! wow!

[redzone]

http://transatelectronics.com/store/flat-coaxial-cable_P206

Anyone have experience with these cables? I want to avoid drilling a hole at all costs ..

These little things can loose you a bit of signal but the advantage to getting your antenna outside outweighs the little loss you will get from the connector. You will probably loose between 1-3 db from the connector but getting the antenna outside can get you upwards of 20 db AND if possible Line of sight ( even more valuable)

[cmge]

The antenna should be oriented upright, not horizontally (if that's what you're describing) since you want the surface area of the antenna to be highest with respect to the direction the signal is coming from. With the bowtie type antenna, the bowtie side is the strong side and the reflector side is the weak side. You'll get very little signal gain from the sides.

A preamp (or regular amplifier) will definitely help your setup. I think 10 dB is the minimum you should use. The amp should be placed as close as you can to the antenna since there will be loss through the cable. Anything under 12 ft of RG6 should be fine. Most antenna setups are very unique, so you can try it close and then try it far and see if there's a difference. If you have very long cable runs (50 ft, 100 ft), you need to place an amp very near the antenna.
yea its horizontal at the moment... for some reason when i put it vertical i lost some channels, thats why its horizontal right now... is there an amp you would suggest since ill be using 50ft cable... :| .. so having the amp say about 3ft from the antenna good?

[ppl4golf]

My friend bought a Chinese-made clone of the 4221 at Sayal Electronics (3 blocks northeast corner of Victoria Park Ave/McNicoll Ave) for $30. He's getting 39 HD channels now, compared to 20 when he was using the coat hanger antenna he made.

Get your facts straight before posting some 'he says she says'...

I don't doubt he gets better reception with a 4221 equivalent, but the number of digital OTA channels (let alone HD channels) available in GTA is NOT 39.

A good number of them are unwatchable analog channels which I suggest no GTAer should bother post as it is of no interest with the exception of TVO #19 which is easiy to get anyways. It just adds to the confusion yet it is of no interest.

[zoolander]

:arrowu: He's right, the CM4221HD is the gold standard, side by side testing would prove it.

TVO19, is that the same as TVO2 on my regular cable?
My little girl mainly watches TVO and Treehouse when we let her watch TV, the latter being unavailable when I do the switch and get off the cable grid.

[maddawg]

My friend bought a Chinese-made clone of the 4221 at Sayal Electronics (3 blocks northeast corner of Victoria Park Ave/McNicoll Ave) for $30. He's getting 39 HD channels now, compared to 20 when he was using the coat hanger antenna he made.

Highly unlikely he is getting 39 HD channels.

[killoverme]

where would u get an preamp?

[cheap_guy]

yea its horizontal at the moment... for some reason when i put it vertical i lost some channels, thats why its horizontal right now... is there an amp you would suggest since ill be using 50ft cable... :| .. so having the amp say about 3ft from the antenna good?

Hard to say what would work well... I think placing a signal amplifier near the antenna would be my approach.

Here's some coax losses: http://hamradio.arc.nasa.gov/coaxcableloss.html (RG6 cable will have less loss than RG59)

The only thing I can think of is that you would be losing channels to the left and right of your antenna by placing it upright. By laying it down, you probably make it more omnidirectional at the expense of front and rear reception. I'm not in the GTA, so I don't have any suggestions for you, but there are plenty of resources around to help. You need to establish which direction your channels are coming from and then point it in an optimal way.

[ppl4golf]

:arrowu: He's right, the CM4221HD is the gold standard, side by side testing would prove it.

TVO19, is that the same as TVO2 on my regular cable?
My little girl mainly watches TVO and Treehouse when we let her watch TV, the latter being unavailable when I do the switch and get off the cable grid.

TVO is Cable #2

Without Treehouse, there are are still lots of TV for kids over the air. Each weekend, there are lots of e/i programs from Buffalo US channels. Every morning, there are quite a few on CBC and PBS+thinkbright.

[cmge]

Hard to say what would work well... I think placing a signal amplifier near the antenna would be my approach.

Here's some coax losses: http://hamradio.arc.nasa.gov/coaxcableloss.html (RG6 cable will have less loss than RG59)

The only thing I can think of is that you would be losing channels to the left and right of your antenna by placing it upright. By laying it down, you probably make it more omnidirectional at the expense of front and rear reception. I'm not in the GTA, so I don't have any suggestions for you, but there are plenty of resources around to help. You need to establish which direction your channels are coming from and then point it in an optimal way.

thanks for the help and suggestion... :)

[prettyha8]

Just finished installing a clone outdoors with a long cable run. Funny thing is, I get the same channel count as I was getting indoors with a 6ft RG6 indoors. The only difference is now channels 26.1 and 26.2 are more stable. I have yet to start pointing the antenna for fine-tuning, but from the current setup I can get 25 digital channels, 23 with 100% signal strength.

This was my indoor setup:
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8391956&postcount=169

Here is my outdoor setup: (I ran the cable for the OTA via the attic to minimize my cable run.)
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2949/13716475.png

I will post my outdoor reception results and channel listings after I tweak this thing a bit.

[ihsn]

These little things can loose you a bit of signal but the advantage to getting your antenna outside outweighs the little loss you will get from the connector. You will probably loose between 1-3 db from the connector but getting the antenna outside can get you upwards of 20 db AND if possible Line of sight ( even more valuable)

I have used those before, they work fine.
Thank you. I'll try them with and without probably next weekend and post the (loss) results.


Nice find! I am going to be moving into my condo in a month, this will be very helpful. :lol:
You're welcome.


My friend bought a Chinese-made clone of the 4221 at Sayal Electronics (3 blocks northeast corner of Victoria Park Ave/McNicoll Ave) for $30. He's getting 39 HD channels now, compared to 20 when he was using the coat hanger antenna he made.
How much was it?

[audit13]

where would u get an preamp?

I read some good things about the Channel Master pre-amps so a friend loaned me his 7778 pre-amp. It worked so well for my set up that I bought it from him. The 7778 is designed for vhf and uhf while the 7777 is designed for uhf.

[Chocolinx]

If I get this antenna where would I get the RG-6 Cable? Is it expensive?

[audit13]

If I get this antenna where would I get the RG-6 Cable? Is it expensive?

Eoutlet Canada sells unfinished 100 foot rolls for $12.50 and the connectors are $0.50 each. Active Surplus sells pre-finished 100 foot rolls for $15. These two places are the cheapest I have seen so far.

[dell11]

I read some good things about the Channel Master pre-amps so a friend loaned me his 7778 pre-amp. It worked so well for my set up that I bought it from him. The 7778 is designed for vhf and uhf while the 7777 is designed for uhf.

Are you saying that the 7778 will help get VHF stations on a 4221 CLONE?

The info on the side of the box of the 4221 clone says that it is a UHF antenna. Is it possible to get VHF with the 7778?

[Chocolinx]

I was looking at pricing and according to pick-up orders, it costs $5 more. Shipping is $20. Can anyone share their experiences via Shipping and Pick-up?

[audit13]

Are you saying that the 7778 will help get VHF stations on a 4221 CLONE?

The info on the side of the box of the 4221 clone says that it is a UHF antenna. Is it possible to get VHF with the 7778?

I meant to say that the 7778 has two input connections (one for vhf and one for uhf) which makes the amp suitable for use with a vhf antenna, uhf antenna, or both.

[dell11]

I meant to say that the 7778 has two input connections (one for vhf and one for uhf) which makes the amp suitable for use with a vhf antenna, uhf antenna, or both.

What is the fundamental difference between the 7778 "pre-amp" and a regular amplifier/signal booster such as this one:

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3374890

Assuming that both were put in as "pre-amp" couldn't they perform reasonably the same? I need some much needed education on this.

[audit13]

What is the fundamental difference between the 7778 "pre-amp" and a regular amplifier/signal booster such as this one:

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3374890

Assuming that both were put in as "pre-amp" couldn't they perform reasonably the same? I need some much needed education on this.

The Wineguard has 15gb of gain and a single input vs 23db for uhf and 16 db for vhf and separate inputs on the CM.

Here's a good OTA primer:

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=41102

Another thread on signal amplifiers:

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=42426

[bogey]

A "pre-amp" is still an "amp".
But it usually refers to an amp that has to respond to weaker inputs (so it has to be designed with weaker inputs in mind).

[dell11]

A "pre-amp" is still an "amp".
But it usually refers to an amp that has to respond to weaker inputs (so it has to be designed with weaker inputs in mind).

So using RG-6 cable, does it matter if the "pre-amp" or "amp" is 1 ft away from the antenna vs. 30 ft away from the antenna?

In other words, would you see a big difference in loss at 30 ft with RG-6?

[GSD]

Eoutlet Canada sells unfinished 100 foot rolls for $12.50 and the connectors are $0.50 each. Active Surplus sells pre-finished 100 foot rolls for $15. These two places are the cheapest I have seen so far.

Check out tech direct too

[audit13]

So using RG-6 cable, does it matter if the "pre-amp" or "amp" is 1 ft away from the antenna vs. 30 ft away from the antenna?

In other words, would you see a big difference in loss at 30 ft with RG-6?

I wouldn't think there would be a big loss since 30 feet of rg6 isn't that much. I don't didn't do any scientific measurements for my set up but here's a link that you may find useful:

http://www.ocarc.ca/coax.htm

[gogetitnow]

I paid $9.99 for 100 feet roll and 50 cents for each connection RG6 UL belkin purchased when i visited www.saveandreplay.com in mississauga, they charged me $9.99 because i purchased an Antenna from them otherwise it was $15 for belkin UL they had the regular RG6 UL non belkin for cheaper but i wanted the better quality!

[cmge]

My friend bought a Chinese-made clone of the 4221 at Sayal Electronics (3 blocks northeast corner of Victoria Park Ave/McNicoll Ave) for $30. He's getting 39 HD channels now, compared to 20 when he was using the coat hanger antenna he made.


How much was it?
diigii posted the price... his friend got it for 30$... around the GTA CM4221 clones range from 25-30$ anyways.. with or without taxes depending on the place..

altho his friend claims to be getting 39 HD channels is high doubtful seeing the only available ones are

http://overtheair.saveandreplay.com/OTA_Channels_Toronto_GTA.asp

[consumerPI]

Sorry for this dumb question - Is the larger the db # the better? Meaning that the CM4221HD withe 13-15db is better than the Silver Sensor? Also, what about the Terk HDTVa or Terk HDTVi models? Anyone know what the DB is on those?


a Silver sensor gets about 8 db of strength compared to the 13db minimum with the CM4221HD going up to 15 on the higher channels. that's a big difference and reception will show the same results. Only use a preamplifier/ distribution amp if you have a long run of cable. other wise you can just make things worse( i have experienced this)

[ephemera]

anyone know any good deals on preamps? the only ones I see are the $99 ones from saveandreplay.com. I am thinking I really need a preamp now. I am getting city tv analog 57 but not digital. And if I am not mistaken, the preamp will boost low signals but not boost the strong signals I am currently getting?

[bogey]

So using RG-6 cable, does it matter if the "pre-amp" or "amp" is 1 ft away from the antenna vs. 30 ft away from the antenna?

In other words, would you see a big difference in loss at 30 ft with RG-6?

It's good practice to locate the preamp as close to the antenna as possible, because the signal will experience loss if it has to travel a lengthy run of coax cable.
(part of the reasons the preamp (LNB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-noise_block_converter)) is located right on the antenna on satellite dishes).

But if you are in strong signal areas, you might be able to run 30 ft of coax without a preamp whatsoever.


anyone know any good deals on preamps? the only ones I see are the $99 ones from saveandreplay.com. I am thinking I really need a preamp now. I am getting city tv analog 57 but not digital. And if I am not mistaken, the preamp will boost low signals but not boost the strong signals I am currently getting?

A preamp is hit or miss in bringing in extra stations (from owner feedbacks).
They are typically useful if you want to distribute to more than one TV.
If your antenna is not snagging in sufficient signal, then it's like turning up the volume on a radio that is not tuned to a station (you're just going to get louder noise).

[getmail99]

I got 100ft PG6 for $8 from

http://www.techsourcecanada.ca/html/flyer.html

[Smokey Bear]

Sorry for this dumb question - Is the larger the db # the better? Meaning that the CM4221HD withe 13-15db is better than the Silver Sensor? Also, what about the Terk HDTVa or Terk HDTVi models? Anyone know what the DB is on those?

Yes, but too high of a dB rating can damage the receiver in the TV. That's why pre-amps need to be used cautiously.

[audit13]

Yes, but too high of a dB rating can damage the receiver in the TV. That's why pre-amps need to be used cautiously.

Very true. This is the reason I used the signal strenth meter on my tv during the installation of my antenna.

[Chocolinx]

I got 100ft PG6 for $8 from

http://www.techsourcecanada.ca/html/flyer.html

Awesome! Thanks! Pretty close to home.

Would there be any major signal loss from a 100ft cable though? Would this length require a pre-amp?

[SENSEI]

I was looking at pricing and according to pick-up orders, it costs $5 more. Shipping is $20. Can anyone share their experiences via Shipping and Pick-up?

Where are you located? Shipping for a 4221HD for me in Richmond Hill is just over $15.

I actually get free pickup for the Hyperdrive. And for the 4228HD. But not for the 4221HD. Must be a price thing....maybe $100 and get free pickup now?

I've always done pickup, really close to my place.

[Chocolinx]

Where are you located? Shipping for a 4221HD for me in Richmond Hill is just over $15.

I actually get free pickup for the Hyperdrive. And for the 4228HD. But not for the 4221HD. Must be a price thing....maybe $100 and get free pickup now?

I've always done pickup, really close to my place.

I live on the East-side of North York, 401 & 404. I don't think it should be too far from my place. I suppose I should call in and ask if they have stock right? Or is it a private store and you have to call in before hand to make your order? I might be in the area and I thought I could maybe just drop by. I think someone posted in the other OTA thread that the 4221HDs were out of stock? Maybe I read wrong.

[audit13]

Awesome! Thanks! Pretty close to home.

Would there be any major signal loss from a 100ft cable though? Would this length require a pre-amp?

I would suggest mounting the antenna and using your tv to measure signal strength. If it seems low, try a pre-amp; otherwise, I wouldn't bother.

[SENSEI]

I live on the East-side of North York, 401 & 404. I don't think it should be too far from my place. I suppose I should call in and ask if they have stock right? Or is it a private store and you have to call in before hand to make your order? I might be in the area and I thought I could maybe just drop by. I think someone posted in the other OTA thread that the 4221HDs were out of stock? Maybe I read wrong.

It's not a physical store. They just use a UPS store. You go in show ID and the guy there gives you the items after you sign for them. So no chance to test or browse, or window shop...

You place the order, choose local pick-up instead of shipping, and that's it. They keep you updated with a bunch of emails to say when it's ready to be picked up. They have stock numbers right on the page, they are pretty accurate. If it shows 0 then I'd call or email just to make sure. I've never had to wait more than 2-3 days for pickup if their site says it's in stock.

[ppl4golf]

I live on the East-side of North York, 401 & 404. I don't think it should be too far from my place. I suppose I should call in and ask if they have stock right? Or is it a private store and you have to call in before hand to make your order? I might be in the area and I thought I could maybe just drop by. I think someone posted in the other OTA thread that the 4221HDs were out of stock? Maybe I read wrong.


It's not a physical store. They just use a UPS store. You go in show ID and the guy there gives you the items after you sign for them. So no chance to test or browse, or window shop...

You place the order, choose local pick-up instead of shipping, and that's it. They keep you updated with a bunch of emails to say when it's ready to be picked up. They have stock numbers right on the page, they are pretty accurate. If it shows 0 then I'd call or email just to make sure. I've never had to wait more than 2-3 days for pickup if their site says it's in stock.

Paying a fee for 'local pick-up' is a ridiculous practice and bad for us (consumers). I'd personally shop elsewhere even if it may mean a longer drive or slightly even higher price.:cheesygri

[tsatsa]

Paying a fee for 'local pick-up' is a ridiculous practice and bad for us (consumers). I'd personally shop elsewhere even if it may mean a longer drive or slightly even higher price.:cheesygri

Yes, I feel the same way too.

[prettyha8]

It's not a physical store. They just use a UPS store. You go in show ID and the guy there gives you the items after you sign for them. So no chance to test or browse, or window shop...


I think this is where SaveAndReplay.com wins! The guy at the store is super nice. I checked out his storefront a while back and and told him right away that I'm not here to buy anything, I'm just here to learn about OTA-ATSC. (Actually at that time I was set out to build my own SBGH (http://www.digitalhome.ca/ota/superantenna/) super antenna). He took the time to answer all my questions and even pointed me to some online resources. He also discouraged me from buying advanced stuff if I hadn't done my research first.

If only the SaveAndReplay guy sold the CM4221HD for $49.99 local pick-up, I know a few ppl that would buy right away knowing they wouldn't have to pay the local-pick-up "fee/tax/fine" of $5.00. It's all about RFD morals. :cheesygri (Kinda reminds me of the guys on fleabay that sell items for $5 bux and then charge $25-$30 for shipping)

[neo1973]

paying a fee for 'local pick-up' is a ridiculous practice and bad for us (consumers). I'd personally shop elsewhere even if it may mean a longer drive or slightly even higher price.:cheesygri

+1

[sc888888]

... I am thinking I really need a preamp now. I am getting city tv analog 57 but not digital...

I have the same exact problem. Analog 57 is strong with no ghosting but no digital channel. Which area you are in? I am in Mississauga 401/WinstonChurchill. I am thinking my area is "Mississauga triangle" for CityTV.

I don't think you need a preamp. I tried adding a preamp and switching to 4228 with no difference.

[SENSEI]

Paying a fee for 'local pick-up' is a ridiculous practice and bad for us (consumers). I'd personally shop elsewhere even if it may mean a longer drive or slightly even higher price.:cheesygri

I agree to some extent as well. This has always been my one complaint with them. But, to drive to 'ssauga and then pay $10 more. That's almost $20 more for the same item. If the item is the same, I'm going where it's the cheapest.

When you consider Sensuz sells their Hyperdrives $40-80 cheaper than Henry's, it's a no brainer for me. But like I said, looks like they have dropped their pickup fee for orders over $100.

[emuu101]

I've bought a lot equipment from Sensuz. I haven't dealt with that Replay company but, I can say that I'm really happy with the service an price offered by Sensuz. After tons of research, they offered the best price out there. Regardless if you added in their pickup fee. For me, it's all about the bottom line -- i.e. what is my total cost. And my total cost was lower with Sensuz.

Sensuz is seems a small Canadian company. In this economy/recession, this is the type of company I want to support.

[night blade]

Finally got my 4221HD installed today on my chimley, results are so so, 17 digital channels + aroiund 20 regular. Cable run is around 60 feet without a pre-amp. A few days ago when it was just lying on the roof I had it pointed in between Buffalo & Rochester, had 25 digital channels being picked up which is great, need a proper chimley mount to position it correctly.

CityTV is hit & miss, comes in ok sometimes, then again my 4221HD is pointed directly south from the bluffs area, will need another 4221 to get City.

[audit13]

I think this is where SaveAndReplay.com wins! The guy at the store is super nice. I checked out his storefront a while back and and told him right away that I'm not here to buy anything, I'm just here to learn about OTA-ATSC. (Actually at that time I was set out to build my own SBGH (http://www.digitalhome.ca/ota/superantenna/) super antenna). He took the time to answer all my questions and even pointed me to some online resources. He also discouraged me from buying advanced stuff if I hadn't done my research first.

If only the SaveAndReplay guy sold the CM4221HD for $49.99 local pick-up, I know a few ppl that would buy right away knowing they wouldn't have to pay the local-pick-up "fee/tax/fine" of $5.00. It's all about RFD morals. :cheesygri (Kinda reminds me of the guys on fleabay that sell items for $5 bux and then charge $25-$30 for shipping)

I also purchased my 4221hd from Save and Replay. Yes, I may have paid a bit more for the antenna but the owner is a really nice person and helpful. Also, he threw in a couple of freebies which was just a bonus on top of the information he provided. I wanted the antenna right away so I could experiment over the weekend.

[redzone]

I have the same exact problem. Analog 57 is strong with no ghosting but no digital channel. Which area you are in? I am in Mississauga 401/WinstonChurchill. I am thinking my area is "Mississauga triangle" for CityTV.

I don't think you need a preamp. I tried adding a preamp and switching to 4228 with no difference.

City TV transmits there Digital on 53.1 at only 2.2 kw of power. This is a tiny fraction compared to there analog so its easy to get the one and not the other.

http://www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/

[ppl4golf]

Re : City HD

100% 'up time' for me in the past 2 years. However, the reception occasionally breaks off for a second or two which is annoying even the signal strength/quality is great. The incorrect time(s) on City HD and the 2 OMNIs is a big LOL. You simply can't take anything seriously from Rogers.

However, nothing beats BT in HD first thing in the morning.

[teoconca]

Re : City HD

100% 'up time' for me in the past 2 years. However, the reception occasionally breaks off for a second or two which is annoying even the signal strength/quality is great. The incorrect time(s) on City HD and the 2 OMNIs is a big LOL. You simply can't take anything seriously from Rogers.

However, nothing beats BT in HD first thing in the morning.

+1.
City TV is always up for me also (along with 5.1 CBC). This is coming from amplified indoor antenna for me.

+1
BT rocks with Kevin and the girls.

[killoverme]

where would i get a cheap but effective preamp?

[Chocolinx]

I got my CM4221HD today! Went to the SaveAndReplay store front. They lady there was really helpful. The gentleman who was working had to leave (think it's a family owned business, guy's the lady's wife lol).

Anyway, I haven't had time to mount it on my chimney, but just facing it near South against my window, I'm getting 8 DTV and 12 Analog channels. Not bad for a shaddy setup. HD channels I have right now are:

CBC, CTV, OMNI1, OMNI2, CBC (French), Global, SunTV, CityTV

Unfortunaly I have yet to see any Buff. channels :( Hopefully mounting it higher on my chimney will give better results. Oh, I'm located at 404/401. The lady also told me, 178º is supposed to be a sweet spot, so bust out those compasses.

[audit13]

I got my CM4221HD today! Went to the SaveAndReplay store front. They lady there was really helpful. The gentleman who was working had to leave (think it's a family owned business, guy's the lady's wife lol).

Anyway, I haven't had time to mount it on my chimney, but just facing it near South against my window, I'm getting 8 DTV and 12 Analog channels. Not bad for a shaddy setup. HD channels I have right now are:

CBC, CTV, OMNI1, OMNI2, CBC (French), Global, SunTV, CityTV

Unfortunaly I have yet to see any Buff. channels :( Hopefully mounting it higher on my chimney will give better results. Oh, I'm located at 404/401. The lady also told me, 178º is supposed to be a sweet spot, so bust out those compasses.

Save and Replay is a great store with awesome customer service. I guess you need 178 degrees since you need to aim the antenna a little bit west of the CN tower. 130 degrees from north did it for me and I'm in the west end.

Is the antenna on the first floor? You could try putting it outside on a chair to see if you get any US stations.

[shabbasuraj]

Just finished installing a clone outdoors with a long cable run. Funny thing is, I get the same channel count as I was getting indoors with a 6ft RG6 indoors. The only difference is now channels 26.1 and 26.2 are more stable. I have yet to start pointing the antenna for fine-tuning, but from the current setup I can get 25 digital channels, 23 with 100% signal strength.

This was my indoor setup:
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8391956&postcount=169

Here is my outdoor setup: (I ran the cable for the OTA via the attic to minimize my cable run.)
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2949/13716475.png

I will post my outdoor reception results and channel listings after I tweak this thing a bit.

I mounted my clone without that U shaped mounting bracket, that came with the antenna.. and mounted it directly to the satellite arm/bar mount... I figure, the less parts, the more secure the connection.

Works great.

[prettyha8]

The lady also told me, 178º is supposed to be a sweet spot, so bust out those compasses.

I think the sweet spot depends on where you live.

Here is my "home-brew" aiming advise:

Since I live in the GTA, my assumption is that no matter where I point the antenna, I will get the CN-Tower (I might be wrong, but I remember from when I was a child that since the CN Tower was so powerful as a tv antenna, the screws on the back of the tv would pick up stations. Now I know about side-bands and what a kW is).

So what I try to do is aim my antenna to the farthest possible transmitting tower that I think my antenna setup can can grasp. With the CM4221HD my "on-a-good-day" guess would be 130 km, thus this would be one of the three towers:

1) WGRZ-TV is the NBC affiliate @ Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=42.7185,-78.563111&spn=0.002,0.002&t=h&q=42.7185,-78.563111)

2) WIVB-TV is the CBS television affiliate @ Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=42.659167,-78.626028&spn=0.002,0.002&t=h&q=42.659167,-78.626028)

3) WKBW-TV is the ABC affiliate @ Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=42.637417,-78.619639&spn=0.002,0.002&t=h&q=42.637417,-78.619639)

Since I am picky, I would try and point somewhere in the triangle of all three. So my sweet spot would be THIS LOCATION (http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Lewis+Rd+%26amp%3B+Blanchard+Rd,+Holland,+Erie,+ New+York+14080,+United+States&sll=42.67316,-78.587887&sspn=0.011785,0.027895&ie=UTF8&ll=42.673223,-78.595376&spn=0.011785,0.027895&z=16&iwloc=addr). (This would also cut though downtown buffalo, see pic below)



http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5486/69436282.png

So from my house, this would have a heading of Azimuth (true): 140.5°, or Azimuth (magn.): 151.0° . If you are like me and don't trust your cereal box compass, then you can follow my directions for visual pointing tips here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8399540&postcount=182). But I am pretty sure you don't need to be so accurate.

[Chocolinx]

prettyha8

Oh thanks. That map looks a lot better, I'll calculate my what direction when I get the chance. Looks like it's going to rain today so I'm not heading on top of my room this afternoon :( I'll definitely post my results the first chance I get.

[firechkn]

With all these positive reviews I'm thinking of pulling the trigger on the CM 4221HD. Seeing that I don't watch all the much TV I would save a bundle on cable bills.

The 4228 seems to have a better range though, would it be worth getting over the 4221HD? My location is Markham & Ellesmere. Clear view of the south except for a tree. I will do a chimney mount with a 10' pole, but I don't plan on a pre-amp yet and my RG6 cable run will be about 50'.

Since the 4221HD is about half the price of the 4228, would a pair of 4221HD perform better than its big brother for the same price? I could then point one at the CN Tower and the other at Buffalo. The phasing should be ok right? Or is that another bag of worms?

Thanks

[james rockford]

Im going to run this to a hd projector. What would be a good tuner box(with hdmi or r/b/g? And where to buy.

[cheap_guy]

Im going to run this to a hd projector. What would be a good tuner box(with hdmi or r/b/g? And where to buy.

Most people recommend an HTPC for ATSC over a standalone tuner. You can get BR-D/DVD/DIVX/TV all from the same unit.

[james rockford]

Im trying to pretend I know what your talking about. But i honestly dont. Appreciate the reply but could you put it in morons terms. cheers

[audit13]

With all these positive reviews I'm thinking of pulling the trigger on the CM 4221HD. Seeing that I don't watch all the much TV I would save a bundle on cable bills.

The 4228 seems to have a better range though, would it be worth getting over the 4221HD? My location is Markham & Ellesmere. Clear view of the south except for a tree. I will do a chimney mount with a 10' pole, but I don't plan on a pre-amp yet and my RG6 cable run will be about 50'.

Since the 4221HD is about half the price of the 4228, would a pair of 4221HD perform better than its big brother for the same price? I could then point one at the CN Tower and the other at Buffalo. The phasing should be ok right? Or is that another bag of worms?

Thanks
Based on reviews I have seen, the 4228 is bigger and more directional. If you want to use two separate 4221s, this may be if you are able to gange them together and point each one so that you get as many US and Canadian channels as possible. My friend lives in Oakville and has one pointed towards the CD Tower and the other pointed towards Grand Island/Buffalo.

[ephemera]

Im trying to pretend I know what your talking about. But i honestly dont. Appreciate the reply but could you put it in morons terms. cheers

You can have a look here:
http://overtheair.saveandreplay.com/ATSC_Tuners.asp

I don't know your set up. You have a projector? Is it HD? like able to display 1080? Luckily most new tv's have the OTA digital tuner built in. Mine does, but doesn't have the on-screen tv guide.

[ephemera]

Based on reviews I have seen, the 4228 is bigger and more directional. If you want to use two separate 4221s, this may be if you are able to gange them together and point each one so that you get as many US and Canadian channels as possible. My friend lives in Oakville and has one pointed towards the CD Tower and the other pointed towards Grand Island/Buffalo.

You mean your friend has two 4221's? Do you know how he gange's them? Does he have each supplied with an rg6 cable that goes into a splitter jointer thing or are they attached with a metal clamp?

[cheap_guy]

Im trying to pretend I know what your talking about. But i honestly dont. Appreciate the reply but could you put it in morons terms. cheers

Sorry, I meant that most people just buy/make a computer to plug into their projectors to get off the air HDTV. A PC HD tuner works better than a standalone box and is cheaper (under 50 vs over 100). The cheaper off the air boxes you're looking for only output a low quality analog signal. The advantage of building a PC is that DVD functionality and Blueray functionality is also a cheap add on (once you assume the cost of the original computer is accounted for).

[audit13]

You mean your friend has two 4221's? Do you know how he gange's them? Does he have each supplied with an rg6 cable that goes into a splitter jointer thing or are they attached with a metal clamp?

Yup, he has 2 4221HDs ganged. He has an identical length of rg6 cable coming from each antenna to a combiner (2 inputs, 1 output) to a Channel Master 7777 pre-amp to a 2-way splitter. One feed goes to his hdtv, the other feed goes to htpc. They are both mounted using a metal clamp on a 10 foot fence pole he got from Home Depot.

[firechkn]

Yup, he has 2 4221HDs ganged. He has an identical length of rg6 cable coming from each antenna to a combiner (2 inputs, 1 output) to a Channel Master 7777 pre-amp to a 2-way splitter. One feed goes to his hdtv, the other feed goes to htpc. They are both mounted using a metal clamp on a 10 foot fence pole he got from Home Depot.

Where is he located and how many channels is he getting now vs 1 antenna? This is what I would like to do.

To combine the antennas together I believe all you need is a regular splitter, but just treat everything backwards.

[audit13]

Where is he located and how many channels is he getting now vs 1 antenna? This is what I would like to do.

To combine the antennas together I believe all you need is a regular splitter, but just treat everything backwards.

He lives just north of the lake just inside Oakville past the Mississauga border. He's getting all of the standard US and Canadian stations. He's only interested in OTA HD stations (2-1, 4-1, 5-1, 7-1, 9-1, 17-1, 17-3, 18-1, 23-1, 29-1, 44-1, 49-1, 57-1, 64-1, 66-1).

Here's a good faq about ota: http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=41102&page=2

[maddawg]

Where is he located and how many channels is he getting now vs 1 antenna? This is what I would like to do.

To combine the antennas together I believe all you need is a regular splitter, but just treat everything backwards.

Well I live in Scarborough in the Lawrence & Port Union area. I have a 4221 and 4228 combined to received both Toronto/Buffalo channels with a channel master preamp. I get pretty much all the channels and no longer use rogers for my TV viewing. My feed is split between 2 tvs and my av system for fm antennas. I use a cable splitter to combine both channel feeds. Will post some pic the next time I head up to the roof.

[Chocolinx]

He lives just north of the lake just inside Oakville past the Mississauga border. He's getting all of the standard US and Canadian stations. He's only interested in OTA HD stations (2-1, 4-1, 5-1, 7-1, 9-1, 17-1, 17-3, 18-1, 23-1, 29-1, 44-1, 49-1, 57-1, 64-1, 66-1).

Here's a good faq about ota: http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=41102&page=2

I'd like to see a diagram of his setup. Show people how he's doing it. I think I might need it. When I point South West I get all the Toronto DTV channels, but when I get point in South East I sort of get US channels but even lesser Toronto DTV. Still haven't put my antenna outside though. I wouldn't mind buying another 4221HD if his setup actually works well.

[audit13]

He has two 4221HDs mounted on a 10 foot mast. It'll be different from situation to situation. He has one facing the CN Tower and the other is facing west of the CN tower. There's noting special about his set up at all.

[gogetitnow]

I didnt need to put 2 antennas together i am getting the US stations, Toronto and hamiltion very well with my channel master 4221HD but here is an article that is intresting from saveandreplay regarding putting 2 together!

http://overtheair.saveandreplay.com/Antenna_Stacking_Ganging.asp

looks like it is possible to put two antennas together!

i am going to pop in and see them again may consider a pre amp channel master 7777 i hear is good as i would like to gain some signal strength if i can and may split my line to more then one tv now that i have my main tv going!

[firechkn]

I didnt need to put 2 antennas together i am getting the US stations, Toronto and hamiltion very well with my channel master 4221HD but here is an article that is intresting from saveandreplay regarding putting 2 together!

http://overtheair.saveandreplay.com/Antenna_Stacking_Ganging.asp

looks like it is possible to put two antennas together!

i am going to pop in and see them again may consider a pre amp channel master 7777 i hear is good as i would like to gain some signal strength if i can and may split my line to more then one tv now that i have my main tv going!

Great article! Lots of helpful information that anyone can understand. I was going mad trying to understand all the OTA FAQ pages on another forum.

I will be definitely doing this.

Thanks.

[gogetitnow]

I love the approach of the people at saveandreplay they really spent time with me and they make me spend less then more! they answered all my questions and even gave me advice. I like the simple approach and they really were very helpful and gave me other resources to research online.

its really simple if you get down to it, without all the complicated theories you can get overwhelmed reading some forums!

[firechkn]

its really simple if you get down to it, without all the complicated theories you can get overwhelmed reading some forums!

Amen to that!

Don't get me wrong, FAQ pages are a wealth of knowledge, but I don't have that much time you see :)

[paaji]

Anyone in Vancouver wants to group buy since I am not able to find locally in here.
Thanks

[ephemera]

I didnt need to put 2 antennas together i am getting the US stations, Toronto and hamiltion very well with my channel master 4221HD but here is an article that is intresting from saveandreplay regarding putting 2 together!

http://overtheair.saveandreplay.com/Antenna_Stacking_Ganging.asp

looks like it is possible to put two antennas together!

i am going to pop in and see them again may consider a pre amp channel master 7777 i hear is good as i would like to gain some signal strength if i can and may split my line to more then one tv now that i have my main tv going!

Great! Thanks for this info, I didn't see that on their site the many times I checked. I gave up trying to weed thru all the info at digital home. Its overwhelming there.

[firechkn]

I gave up trying to weed thru all the info at digital home. Its overwhelming there.

LOL, try asking a question there, they always point you to the 1000 page FAQ page ;)

And I think if you posted that link on their site to help others, you would receive an infraction, ask me how I know :(

[Blackjack]

In their latest flyer, Tech Source Canada has the 4221 antenna for $45.
http://www.techsourcecanada.ca/html/index.php?id=home

[firechkn]

In their latest flyer, Tech Source Canada has the 4221 antenna for $45.
http://www.techsourcecanada.ca/html/index.php?id=home

Great price! Good thing I didn't purchase my 4221 yet, I guess I'm getting 2 now :)

[firechkn]

Does anyone know where I can buy a wall or chimney mount locally? I didn't see anything appropriate at Home Depot. I know Sensuz carries them, but I would like to get it quicker.

http://www.sensuz.com/estore/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=36_60&products_id=238

[redzone]

this place has them. pretty good prices too.

http://transatelectronics.com/store/rca-antenna-wall-mount-kit_P516

[killoverme]

i'm in Toronto,

which pre-amp is cheap but very good for this antenna or any antenna

[redzone]

i'm in Toronto,

which pre-amp is cheap but very good for this antenna or any antenna

a cheap preamp will give you a poor result. For a preamp to work well it must have a low noise figure. And to get a low noise figure you need to buy a good amplifier! expect to spend 80-100 + tax

[firechkn]

this place has them. pretty good prices too.

http://transatelectronics.com/store/rca-antenna-wall-mount-kit_P516

Good find, thanks!

Hey this looks useful for only $25, anyone try this? I might get this also.

http://transatelectronics.com/store/atsc-antenna-signal-finder_P458

[aitch]

In their latest flyer, Tech Source Canada has the 4221 antenna for $45.
http://www.techsourcecanada.ca/html/index.php?id=home

i had to come back to the kennedy store before they close around 7 pm to pick mine up. they where sold out earlier when i went there around 3 pm. the guy was unloading his car with 10 more boxes when they were about to close the store.

[Chocolinx]

i had to come back to the kennedy store before they close around 7 pm to pick mine up. they where sold out earlier when i went there around 3 pm. the guy was unloading his car with 10 more boxes when they were about to close the store.

Think they'll have any in stock still on Sunday? I bought one earlier from SaveAndReplay but I wouldn't mind picking up another to do some "Stacking" :)

[prettyha8]

Does anyone know where I can buy a wall or chimney mount locally? I didn't see anything appropriate at Home Depot. I know Sensuz carries them, but I would like to get it quicker.

http://www.sensuz.com/estore/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=36_60&products_id=238

If you live in the west end, there is a store on the NW corner of Ambler Drive and Matheson Blvd that sells them for $10 bux. (But I'm pretty sure all those electronic stores on Matheson may sell these kits.)

Forgot the name of the store, but it's on the NW corner, right in front of the driveway entrance off of Ambler. (Sorry I couldn't be more precise :|)

[prettyha8]

I had some ppl PM me about antenna pointing direction.

The website antennamap.com (http://www.antennamap.com/) does a pretty good google maps visualization of the towers around you.

Looks like antennamap.com is dead. But here is another tower mapping website: http://www.sjmillerconsultants.com/ota/

More info on OTA Coverage - Visual representation HERE (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?p=892690).

[gogetitnow]

http://overtheair.saveandreplay.com/OTA_Mounts.asp

good prices also 9.99 and channel master products, these are the guys i now pickup all my products from just because they helped me and answered all questions. the guys on matheson have no idea on anything when you ask them unless you know what you want

[cmge]

Good find, thanks!

Hey this looks useful for only $25, anyone try this? I might get this also.

http://transatelectronics.com/store/atsc-antenna-signal-finder_P458

i think u can rent it from them... when i went to the brampton location.. the guy there was offering 5$ a day to rent it instead of buying.... so YMMV

[audit13]

i think u can rent it from them... when i went to the brampton location.. the guy there was offering 5$ a day to rent it instead of buying.... so YMMV

Wouldn't it be better to aim the antenna based on the your tv's built-in signal strength meter (assuming your tuner has this capability)? This is what I did when I installed my CM 4221HD.

[New User]

Can somebody PM me with a person who can build me a TV tower for the antenna? Two storey house

[djamm]

Looking for a Channel Master in the Vancouver area...Anyone know of a "HOT DEAL" ?

Cheers,

:lol:

[firechkn]

I did a lot of running around this weekend sourcing all the necessary hardware to mount my 2 Channel Masters 4221 on sale for $45. The information I gather here has helped me immensely to achieve great results! Thanks folks.

Without doing much tweaking I'm getting 17 HD channels and a few SD channels. The picture quality is truly amazing, better than my Rogers HD.

Some picts attached, the last one showing the south from the antenna point of view.

http://usera.ImageCave.com/firechkn/IMG_2570.JPG
http://usera.ImageCave.com/firechkn/IMG_2574.JPG
http://usera.ImageCave.com/firechkn/IMG_2576.JPG

[PleasurePays]

Hi everyone.

I am excited about deleting Robbers Cable bill from my life forever! In fact, I've already relieved myself twice in excitement at reading this thread lol ;)

Conveniently, I live about three blocks from techsourcecanada so I am going to RUN down to the store in the morning and buy the Channel Master HD 4221!!

Now I have two brand new Sony and Samsung HDTV's, upstairs and on the main floor. What do I need alongside the Channel Master HD 4221???

Thanks for any help!! :cheesygri

[Blackjack]

I did a lot of running around this weekend sourcing all the necessary hardware to mount my 2 Channel Masters 4221 on sale for $45. The information I gather here has helped me immensely to achieve great results! Thanks folks.

Without doing much tweaking I'm getting 17 HD channels and a few SD channels. The picture quality is truly amazing, better than my Rogers HD.

Some picts attached, the last one showing the south from the antenna point of view.

http://usera.ImageCave.com/firechkn/IMG_2570.JPG
http://usera.ImageCave.com/firechkn/IMG_2574.JPG
http://usera.ImageCave.com/firechkn/IMG_2576.JPG

Nice job...say the cable ties, would small clamps be better, maybe more secure? How old is your roof? Those shingles look like they need replacing.

[firechkn]

Nice job...say the cable ties, would small clamps be better, maybe more secure? How old is your roof? Those shingles look like they need replacing.

Thanks! I only had cable ties at the time, seems to work well, I made sure not to over-tighten them, basically just to channel the cable away from the antennas.

The hardest part was trying to figure out how that chimney mount works and feed the shortest amount of cable into the house.

LOL, the shingles are about 10 years old, and me walking all over them today didn't help the cause. My next door neighbor is a roofer so I got that covered ;)

[audit13]

Hi everyone.

I am excited about deleting Robbers Cable bill from my life forever! In fact, I've already relieved myself twice in excitement at reading this thread lol ;)

Conveniently, I live about three blocks from techsourcecanada so I am going to RUN down to the store in the morning and buy the Channel Master HD 4221!!

Now I have two brand new Sony and Samsung HDTV's, upstairs and on the main floor. What do I need alongside the Channel Master HD 4221???

Thanks for any help!! :cheesygri

You'll definitely need some good rg6 cable, f-connectors, a crimp or compression tool (depends on the type of f-connectors you purchase), maybe a pre-amp, cable ties, a pole for mounting the 4221, drill bit long enough to drill through your home's walls, and a splitter.

[firechkn]

Hi everyone.

I am excited about deleting Robbers Cable bill from my life forever! In fact, I've already relieved myself twice in excitement at reading this thread lol ;)

Conveniently, I live about three blocks from techsourcecanada so I am going to RUN down to the store in the morning and buy the Channel Master HD 4221!!

Now I have two brand new Sony and Samsung HDTV's, upstairs and on the main floor. What do I need alongside the Channel Master HD 4221???

Thanks for any help!! :cheesygri

You are roughly in the same area as me, you probably can do well with 2 Channel Master 4221HD. I don't need a pre-amp, but running only 1 TV. If you have a two story house maybe you don't need a pre-amp either. Try and see first.

Home Depot has 10' fence poles, 1 1/4" dia $11.

I bought rest of the supplies from transatelectronics.com, including the crimping tool $20, some all weather connectors $0.50 ea, Diplexer, similar to a splitter $10, chimney or wall mount $5, and don't forget some RG6 cable, I think they about 100' for $10.

Take your time and plan everything out first, it's well worth it.

[PleasurePays]

You are roughly in the same area as me, you probably can do well with 2 Channel Master 4221HD. I don't need a pre-amp, but running only 1 TV. If you have a two story house maybe you don't need a pre-amp either. Try and see first.

Home Depot has 10' fence poles, 1 1/4" dia $11.

I bought rest of the supplies from transatelectronics.com, including the crimping tool $20, some all weather connectors $0.50 ea, Diplexer, similar to a splitter $10, chimney or wall mount $5, and don't forget some RG6 cable, I think they about 100' for $10.

Take your time and plan everything out first, it's well worth it.

Thank you very much for the reply firechkn. It's a three story house and I have a centralized cable box with all the outlets of the house running out of that box on the second floor, so I was thinking could I simply have the antenna there and somehow split the signal to two tv's??

As well, I read about potential fire hazard. Does the thing have to be grounded and can I do that myself??

Thanks again.

[firechkn]

Thank you very much for the reply firechkn. It's a three story house and I have a centralized cable box with all the outlets of the house running out of that box on the second floor, so I was thinking could I simply have the antenna there and somehow split the signal to two tv's??

As well, I read about potential fire hazard. Does the thing have to be grounded and can I do that myself??

Thanks again.

Almost forgot to add, 10 gauge ground wire $1.09 meter and you will also need a grounding rod, I used a 4' copper pipe.

If you could access the box, I don't see why you can't tap into it. Maybe someone else can answer that.

[milkyt]

I picked one up from Techsource on sale for $44.99 +tax. No other fees. It works beautifully in my downtown condo. Currently it's sitting on the balcony and so far I get all the HD channels available except for 49.1 (My TV Buffalo). I'm facing south west and have the antenna facing south. Good post.

[yomister]

Almost forgot to add, 10 gauge ground wire $1.09 meter and you will also need a grounding rod, I used a 4' copper pipe.

If you could access the box, I don't see why you can't tap into it. Maybe someone else can answer that.

How did you drive your pole into the ground? I'm also interested to know if a 4ft pipe is enough to ground the antenna?

[firechkn]

How did you drive your pole into the ground? I'm also interested to know if a 4ft pipe is enough to ground the antenna?

Well, my 1/2" pipe didn't make it all the way into the ground, I only managed 2 ft before it started to bend. Maybe the ground is frozen still or I need a thicker pipe. When the weather gets warmer I'll try again. Same goes for adjusting the angles of the antennas, it was cold up there today!

[ppl4golf]

Hi everyone.

I am excited about deleting Robbers Cable bill from my life forever! In fact, I've already relieved myself twice in excitement at reading this thread lol ;)

Conveniently, I live about three blocks from techsourcecanada so I am going to RUN down to the store in the morning and buy the Channel Master HD 4221!!

Now I have two brand new Sony and Samsung HDTV's, upstairs and on the main floor. What do I need alongside the Channel Master HD 4221???

Thanks for any help!! :cheesygri

Like I said before, I felt better when I canceled Rogers than when I paid off my mortgage:lol:

[firechkn]

Am I missing any channels? Here is a list of visible channels I'm currently getting:

2-1 WGRZ HD 91% signal
4-1 WIVB HD 100% signal
5-1 CBLT DT 88% signal
7-1 WKBW HD 92% signal
7-2 WNGS 92% signal
9-1 CFTO HD 87% signal
17-1 WNED HD 100% signal
17-3 WNED TH 100% signal
23-1 WNLO HD 100% signal
25-1 CBLFT D 73% signal
29-1 WUTV HD 65% signal
41-1 CIII DT 83% signal
44-1 OMNI 2 75% signal
49-1 WNYO HD 87% signal
57-1 CITY HD 60% (weak signal)
64-1 OMNI 1 83% signal
66-1 CKXT DT 76% signal

[sidseven]

Am I missing any channels?



You're not missing much- I get these in addition to the ones you've listed:

2-2 WGRZ weather channel
18-1 CHCH/E!
36-1 CTS Crossroads Television

[ppl4golf]

You're not missing much- I get these in addition to the ones you've listed:

2-2 WGRZ weather channel
18-1 CHCH/E!
36-1 CTS Crossroads Television

I can't resist...:D
There is no WGRZ, but there is a WRGZ W+ @ 2-2. Well, he gets 2-1 so 2-2 is given.

I played around with the aim and was able to get 11.1 CHCH-DT but I don't get WRGZ-HD if I aim that far west.

I use an original 4221 with preamp.

[prettyha8]

You're not missing much- I get these in addition to the ones you've listed:

2-2 WGRZ weather channel
18-1 CHCH/E!
36-1 CTS Crossroads Television

For CHCH (11.1), I noticed I had to point slighly 'more' west (towards Hamilton) to get it. This also goes for CTS (36.1) as well.

Also, you are not missing anything by not receiving WNYB (26.1 and 26.2).. Turst me! :D

Here (http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/328/chans.png) is my current listing of channels. Also, compare with DHC (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=95753).

[sidseven]

For CHCH (11.1), I noticed I had to point slighly 'more' west (towards Hamilton) to get it. This also goes for CTS (36.1) as well.


Which way do you point for 49.1? I'm not getting that one.

I don't get the 26.1/26.2 either, but I would probably delete those even if I did get them.

I used to get CHCH on 11.1, and now it's on 18.1

[night blade]

I needed 2 antenna's (1 x 4221HD pointing south, 1 x DB-4 homemade pointing west) to get all those channels from the Bluffs area, those who live north of the CN Tower are lucky as 1 antenna should do the trick. Total now is 21 HD + 21 SD.

The hard channels to get for me are from Rochester, 150km away, managed to get them a few weeks ago but it must of been a fluke of nature, can't get them anymore, curious to know if anyone can get Rochester with a 4228 from Toronto?

Anyone else having problems getting CBC? Can't seem to pick it up lately, CBC French is coming in fine though :confused:.

[firechkn]

Am I missing any channels? Here is a list of visible channels I'm currently getting:

2-1 WGRZ HD 91% signal
4-1 WIVB HD 100% signal
5-1 CBLT DT 88% signal
7-1 WKBW HD 92% signal
7-2 WNGS 92% signal
9-1 CFTO HD 87% signal
17-1 WNED HD 100% signal
17-3 WNED TH 100% signal
23-1 WNLO HD 100% signal
25-1 CBLFT D 73% signal
29-1 WUTV HD 65% signal
41-1 CIII DT 83% signal
44-1 OMNI 2 75% signal
49-1 WNYO HD 87% signal
57-1 CITY HD 60% (weak signal)
64-1 OMNI 1 83% signal
66-1 CKXT DT 76% signal

Yes, I should of mentioned, the useless or crappy channels I deleted them from my list. Sounds like I'm not missing much. I only wish City HD would come in stronger, it's unstable at times so I may need to do some tweaking. If I had more height I'm sure I would do even better.

[firechkn]

Anyone else having problems getting CBC? Can't seem to pick it up lately, CBC French is coming in fine though :confused:.

What channel is CBC on? I believe I was getting that just fine last night.

NM, I see it's 5-1 and I was getting 88% signal.

[redzone]

I needed 2 antenna's (1 x 4221HD pointing south, 1 x DB-4 homemade pointing west) to get all those channels from the Bluffs area, those who live north of the CN Tower are lucky as 1 antenna should do the trick. Total now is 21 HD + 21 SD.

The hard channels to get for me are from Rochester, 150km away, managed to get them a few weeks ago but it must of been a fluke of nature, can't get them anymore, curious to know if anyone can get Rochester with a 4228 from Toronto?

Anyone else having problems getting CBC? Can't seem to pick it up lately, CBC French is coming in fine though :confused:.

Rochester just seems to far away for normal everyday reception. I have managed to grab it once or twice depending on the tropo conditions. Ive even managed to get an Erie PA channel once as well. but they will not stay.

I wish i could get CBC. im on the west side of my condo in Etobicoke so no LOS with the CN Tower , the only canadian channel i can get is 9-1 and sometimes 44-1. I miss my sat hockey :(

[vpower]

I can't vouch for the retailers as I haven't used them, but I've found these Montreal area OTA Channel Master equipment retailers on digitalhome.ca:

http://www.montcalmelectronique.com (Laval - Des Laurentides just over the bridge from Mtl. )

http://www.raybel.com
On Notre-Dame way-way out in the East end.

I've read that Montreal suppliers tend to keep low stock in CM products, so I'd recommend calling for pricing / stock availability before you make the trip.

I'm a n00b regarding all those antenna, what could I expect once connected to my ATSC TV? I'm in Montreal..

[cheap_guy]

I'm a n00b regarding all those antenna, what could I expect once connected to my ATSC TV? I'm in Montreal..

SRC, TQS, CBC, TQ, CBS, NBC, VPT, WCFE, FOX

You won't get ABC because its too weak and VHF.

[audit13]

Yes, I should of mentioned, the useless or crappy channels I deleted them from my list. Sounds like I'm not missing much. I only wish City HD would come in stronger, it's unstable at times so I may need to do some tweaking. If I had more height I'm sure I would do even better.

What are you using to measure the percentage of signal strength? I have a Samsung tv with a built-in atsc tuner and it shows signal strenth using 10 bars. I'm not sure that each bar represents 10%.

[intravino]

I'm a n00b regarding all those antenna, what could I expect once connected to my ATSC TV? I'm in Montreal..


ABC 22 is on Channel 13 VHF. You can get with a CH 13 antenna like the Delhi 10y13s or 5y13s, Funke 1922 VHF-Hi or Winegard ya1713 VHF-HI.

You also need a good pre-amp.

For the other Channels, you can make your own antenna:

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=95898

[vpower]

SRC, TQS, CBC, TQ, CBS, NBC, VPT, WCFE, FOX

You won't get ABC because its too weak and VHF.

Is the picture quality will be better than those standards antenna?


ABC 22 is on Channel 13 VHF. You can get with a CH 13 antenna like the Delhi 10y13s or 5y13s, Funke 1922 VHF-Hi or Winegard ya1713 VHF-HI.

You also need a good pre-amp.

For the other Channels, you can make your own antenna:

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=95898

Thanks, will check that out

[wing0]

What are you using to measure the percentage of signal strength? I have a Samsung tv with a built-in atsc tuner and it shows signal strenth using 10 bars. I'm not sure that each bar represents 10%.

I also do not know what each bar represent.
I can watch Fox perfectly with 1 bar signal and I don't notice any degrade in picture quality...

[firechkn]

What are you using to measure the percentage of signal strength? I have a Samsung tv with a built-in atsc tuner and it shows signal strenth using 10 bars. I'm not sure that each bar represents 10%.

I'm using my TV tuner which has a signal bar along with current and peak %.
Panasonic Plasma TH-50PE700U.

It makes sense that each bar represents 10%. I would go by that. I noticed when City HD goes below 60% the picture becomes unstable for a split second. I think 60% is the threshold for my TV.

[firechkn]

Firechkn, thanks alot for posting up pics of your work. Well done!!! I think they want to do a chimney mount as well. So I'll have to tackle that. Did you pick up the set online or in-store?

Bought mine from techsourcecanada local pickup for me. When I went Saturday morning they only had 4 left, so I bought them all, two for my brother. They told me they always get stock so I would call ahead just in case.

[prettyha8]

Which way do you point for 49.1? I'm not getting that one.

I don't get the 26.1/26.2 either, but I would probably delete those even if I did get them.

I used to get CHCH on 11.1, and now it's on 18.1

49.1 (WNYO - Digital) is located at 43.026361,-78.927667... Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/maps?t=h&q=43.026361,-78.927667&ie=UTF8&ll=43.026361,-78.927667&spn=0.00152,0.002736&z=19&iwloc=addr)

[sidseven]

49.1 (WNYO - Digital) is located at 43.026361,-78.927667... Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/maps?t=h&q=43.026361,-78.927667&ie=UTF8&ll=43.026361,-78.927667&spn=0.00152,0.002736&z=19&iwloc=addr)

Thanks! :)

[cheap_guy]

What are you using to measure the percentage of signal strength? I have a Samsung tv with a built-in atsc tuner and it shows signal strenth using 10 bars. I'm not sure that each bar represents 10%.

I doubt it since the picture on my samsung is watchable at 1 bar (but not stable). 2 bars has the occasional flicker and 3 bars is great. On most ATSC tuners, you need 40-50% minimum to get a lock. So, if anything, it would be maybe 5% per bar from 50% to 100% or something like that.

[firechkn]

What's your opinion on a pre-amp or distribution amp? I'm currently getting strong signals of 80% or more without an amp to only one TV, but want to start splitting the signal to two or three TV's, which amp would better suite me?

I'm trying to avoid over-amplifying my system, would a good pre-amp do well for me or maybe a quality distribution amp is all I need?

I was thinking of the highly regarded CM 7777 Pre Amp, but I think it has too much gain at 26 db: http://www.sensuz.com/estore/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=36_61&products_id=205

I like this distribution amp for the built in splitter and moderate gains of 8 db with low noise: http://www.sensuz.com/estore/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=36_61&products_id=259

What would you get?

[night blade]

I'm going to be doing an install for someone in the Bluffs area, and they picked up the CM 4221HD. Perhaps they would do well to pick up another one and stack them for the CN Tower, and then pointing at Lockport or Buffalo NY
Or would a 4228HD be a better route for Buffalo? Currently they get everything except 49.1, and maybe 11.1/18.1 with just rabbit ears and a digital converter box. Of course it freezes/cuts out during cell calls frequently etc, so an outside mount would be less irritating and better reception with less interference.

Firechkn, thanks alot for posting up pics of your work. Well done!!! I think they want to do a chimney mount as well. So I'll have to tackle that. Did you pick up the set online or in-store?

For the Bluffs all you need is a 4221HD, signal strength is very good at the lake, 4228 is overkill IMO. 4221 pointed towards the CN Tower might pull in 11.1 aswell, I can't get it with my homemade DB-4 though.

[Flameangel]

Hi all!I'm a rookie with alot of questions but first thing comes first.Got a CM4228 HD and really looking for buying the original and was told it's no longer available.My question is what 's the difference performancewise between these 2 models.Thank you for your understanding and kind of like this forum,their very interesting especially for a rookie like me.Thanks again for your anticipated response.

flameangel of Singhdale Village

[Eldorado]

Anyone in the Guelph/Cambridge/KW area got an antenna up?

I bought my 4228 last fall but haven't gotten around to putting it up yet, nothing more than doing some quick tests in the living room was able to pickup CHCH I believe 11.1 and 36.1 - Hamilton stations

Not even a blip for Toronto stations

I know I should be higher up outdoors, and especially for my distance should have a pre-amp.. but before I go to any trouble would like to know what kind of success anyone in the area has had with getting TO and Buffalo stations? Can they be had off one antenna? Or is the spread and distance too big?

[redzone]

check digitalhome.ca they have an entire forum dedicated to OTA in ontario.

[kevinlee2]

Anyone living in Toronto Downtown and point at CN Tower to get channels?
I was wondering... How many and what kind of channels you would get if you live in Downtown Toronto. I would like to know approx. channel i'm going to get before buying... Right now i'm getting 9 HD channel with the crappy antenna that tv came with (it's just a line with the metal tip really ******) Any input is apperciated... Thanks!

[Tig]

Im a total noob on this topic but Im tired of speding $110+ on Bell Expressvu every month for my HD package and PVR...

I live in Mississauga and my question is this, if I get this antenna and buy my own pvr or Tivo (http://www.thepvrsource.com/buy_dualtuner_tivo.html) can I turf Bell?

[firechkn]

I hate to say it, but all your question can be answer here: http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=81

It's very overwhelming but I'm sure you'll find everything you need.

Most people here are not expects, we are enthusiast with lots of questions still. If you go back a few pages here you will get an idea what's involved with OTA.

[teoconca]

Im a total noob on this topic but Im tired of speding $110+ on Bell Expressvu every month for my HD package and PVR...

I live in Mississauga and my question is this, if I get this antenna and buy my own pvr or Tivo (http://www.thepvrsource.com/buy_dualtuner_tivo.html) can I turf Bell?

Go to page 13 and read the posts on that page. One of the posts has the site www.antennamap.com, you can try your postal code to see the available channels.

[kevinlee2]

go to page 13 and read the posts on that page. One of the posts has the site www.antennamap.com, you can try your postal code to see the available channels.

thanks!

[paaji]

Finally I bought Channel master 4221. I was pointing at south thinking that it will be same as satellite dishes but I was wrong need to point at North east for GVR.

Can I split the output since I want to connect two Hdtv tv.

My tv has only one coax Input, which I am using for cable. Is there any converter coax to ?? which I can use.

Thanks

[night blade]

Finally I bought Channel master 4221. I was pointing at south thinking that it will be same as satellite dishes but I was wrong need to point at North east for GVR.

Can I split the output since I want to connect two Hdtv tv.

My tv has only one coax Input, which I am using for cable. Is there any converter coax to ?? which I can use.

Thanks

You can split the antenna coax no problem, the longer the run though the more the chance you'll require a pre-amp/amp.

You can use a old switch for the cable / antenna split, better way which I use is a VCR for cable & TV for antenna.

[cheap_guy]

When you split the signal in two, there is a 3dB loss through the splitter. This represents half the signal for each output, which makes perfect sense. However, with OTA, sometimes losing half the signals will cause you to lose fringe channels. If you find that this is the case, you'll need something known as a distribution amplifier which will amplify the signal and split it at the same time.

[emuu101]

My tv has only one coax Input, which I am using for cable. Is there any converter coax to ?? which I can use.

I think you can always use one of those manual (old school) switches. Or maybe you can try out one of these:

http://www.sensuz.com/estore/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=36_62&products_id=345

I haven't used this before, but it sounds like it might solve your problem.

[audit13]

Finally I bought Channel master 4221. I was pointing at south thinking that it will be same as satellite dishes but I was wrong need to point at North east for GVR.

Can I split the output since I want to connect two Hdtv tv.

My tv has only one coax Input, which I am using for cable. Is there any converter coax to ?? which I can use.

Thanks
Does your tv have an atsc tuner? I have two hd teleisions and both have 2 co-axial inputs (1 for air, the other for cable).

[firechkn]

After some tweaking with the use of two CM4221HD, no pre-amp and one TV, in the Markham & Ellesmere area, these are my results:

2-1 WGRZ HD 92% - No change
4-1 WIVB HD 100% - No change
5-1 CBLT DT 100% - Perfect now
7-1 WKBW HD 92% - No change
7-2 WNGS 92% - No change
9-1 CFTO HD 100% - Perfect now
11-1 CHCH DT 66% - Coming in strong now
17-1 WNED HD 100% - No change
17-3 WNED TH 100% - No change
23-1 WNLO HD 100% - No change
25-1 CBLFT D 95% - Nice improvement
29-1 WUTV HD 100% - Perfect now
36-1 CTS HD 46% - Coming in now
41-1 CIII DT 92% - Nice improvement
44-1 OMNI 2 92% - Nice improvement
49-1 WNYO HD 75% - Slightly weaker
57-1 CITY HD 82% - Nice improvement
64-1 OMNI 1 100% - Perfect now
66-1 CKXT DT 92% - Nice improvement

[packet1]

After some tweaking with the use of two CM4221HD, no pre-amp and one TV, in the Markham & Ellesmere area, these are my results:

2-1 WGRZ HD 92% - No change
4-1 WIVB HD 100% - No change
5-1 CBLT DT 100% - Perfect now
7-1 WKBW HD 92% - No change
7-2 WNGS 92% - No change
9-1 CFTO HD 100% - Perfect now
11-1 CHCH DT 66% - Coming in strong now
17-1 WNED HD 100% - No change
17-3 WNED TH 100% - No change
23-1 WNLO HD 100% - No change
25-1 CBLFT D 95% - Nice improvement
29-1 WUTV HD 100% - Perfect now
36-1 CTS HD 46% - Coming in now
41-1 CIII DT 92% - Nice improvement
44-1 OMNI 2 92% - Nice improvement
49-1 WNYO HD 75% - Slightly weaker
57-1 CITY HD 82% - Nice improvement
64-1 OMNI 1 100% - Perfect now
66-1 CKXT DT 92% - Nice improvement

where you put your 4221? on roof of the house?

[rinottawa]

After some tweaking with the use of two CM4221HD, no pre-amp and one TV, in the Markham & Ellesmere area, these are my results:

2-1 WGRZ HD 92% - No change
4-1 WIVB HD 100% - No change
5-1 CBLT DT 100% - Perfect now
7-1 WKBW HD 92% - No change
7-2 WNGS 92% - No change
9-1 CFTO HD 100% - Perfect now
11-1 CHCH DT 66% - Coming in strong now
17-1 WNED HD 100% - No change
17-3 WNED TH 100% - No change
23-1 WNLO HD 100% - No change
25-1 CBLFT D 95% - Nice improvement
29-1 WUTV HD 100% - Perfect now
36-1 CTS HD 46% - Coming in now
41-1 CIII DT 92% - Nice improvement
44-1 OMNI 2 92% - Nice improvement
49-1 WNYO HD 75% - Slightly weaker
57-1 CITY HD 82% - Nice improvement
64-1 OMNI 1 100% - Perfect now
66-1 CKXT DT 92% - Nice improvement

How to use two CM4221HD on one TV?

[audit13]

How to use two CM4221HD on one TV?

You could use two antennas by ganging them together as demonstrated here: http://overtheair.saveandreplay.com/Antenna_Stacking_Ganging.asp

[paaji]

You can split the antenna coax no problem, the longer the run though the more the chance you'll require a pre-amp/amp.

You can use a old switch for the cable / antenna split, better way which I use is a VCR for cable & TV for antenna.

Thanks


I think you can always use one of those manual (old school) switches. Or maybe you can try out one of these:

http://www.sensuz.com/estore/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=36_62&products_id=345

I haven't used this before, but it sounds like it might solve your problem.

Thanks, I will check this out.


Does your tv have an atsc tuner? I have two hd teleisions and both have 2 co-axial inputs (1 for air, the other for cable).

One year old lcd has two inputs Cable and Air. But new one ( LN52A650) I bought apparently has only one input. For now I installed the antenna inside the attic and I am getting about 90% of signal without amplifier and all the HD channels in vancouver.

[radeonboy]

i'm in Toronto,

which pre-amp is cheap but very good for this antenna or any antenna

I hate watching these two threads when they are about the same thing. I posted this in the other OTA HD thread on RFD.

Get this distro-amp, place it right after the antenna and you'll get better reception. Use it in substitute of a pre-amp, works the same. I could not get 2-1, 2-2, 4-1, 7-1, 49-1 (all US channels) and right away I got them when I installed this PCT amp.

Get it now as it says BUY IT NOW. Shipping to Canada I got for $13US. Best $34CAD I spent. I also got the acclaimed WineGard HDP-269 everyone was talking about. It's consistently 1 bar worse than the PCT amp. I'll post up my own stuff in the other thread...

http://cgi.ebay.ca/PCT-MINI-CABLE-AMPLIFIER-15db-GAIN-NEW_W0QQitemZ300305015042QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item300305015042&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1215|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18

[radeonboy]

By the way I just tested the Winegard HDP-269 pre-amp vs my PCT-MA2-M distro-amp. I think you will be surprised at the conclusion but in retrospect, I'm not all that surprised now when I look at the specs. They are both very similar.

I just tested it right now once I got home. I did a scan on the PCT and then jotted down the results. I installed the pre-amp within 10 minutes and scanned for channels using the WineGard HDP-269 pre-amp.

Without getting into specifics, they give both similar results but the WineGard consistently gets 1 bar below the PCT results. Plus the WineGard loses 2 channels (49-1/49-2) that the PCT picks up and gives 1 bar consistently.

Winegard HDP269 - 16 DTV channels found
PCT-MA2-M - 18 DTV channels found

Conclusion - In my situation, the PCT-MA2-M ultra mini-amplifier edges out the WineGard HDP-269 pre-amp.

Did I make a bad purchase? No because I'm just gonna use it for my other analog TV and for future use...

Comparing the specs...

Winegard HDP269 - 12dB gain @ 3dB noise (average noise figure)
PCT-MA2-M - 15dB gain @ 2.7db noise (average noise figure)

I think a higher gain preamp/distro-amp would help more in my situation while keeping the same 3dB noise figure. Noise does really play a factor as people have told me. I think the PCT/WineGard basically have similar noise figures.

Surprise, surprise????

PS. PCT is basically Channel Master. PCT owns CM.

[dell11]

I hate watching these two threads when they are about the same thing. I posted this in the other OTA HD thread on RFD.

Get this distro-amp, place it right after the antenna and you'll get better reception. Use it in substitute of a pre-amp, works the same. I could not get 2-1, 2-2, 4-1, 7-1, 49-1 (all US channels) and right away I got them when I installed this PCT amp.

Get it now as it says BUY IT NOW. Shipping to Canada I got for $13US. Best $34CAD I spent. I also got the acclaimed WineGard HDP-269 everyone was talking about. It's consistently 1 bar worse than the PCT amp. I'll post up my own stuff in the other thread...

http://cgi.ebay.ca/PCT-MINI-CABLE-AMPLIFIER-15db-GAIN-NEW_W0QQitemZ300305015042QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item300305015042&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1215|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18

Where are you located or how close are you to buffalo

[ephemera]

this pct amp thing looks like just what I need. I can get most channels with my 4221 in my bedroom window except citytv. I get analog 57 so I figure, if I get alittle bit of a boost I should get the 57-1 channel.

Are these sold in any stores? I can't find any except the guy from ebay.

[redzone]

city tv DT broadcasts on 53 not 57 and is alot lower in power then there analog. just because you can get the analog does not mean you can get the digital.

[firechkn]

Get this distro-amp, place it right after the antenna and you'll get better reception. Use it in substitute of a pre-amp, works the same. I could not get 2-1, 2-2, 4-1, 7-1, 49-1 (all US channels) and right away I got them when I installed this PCT amp.

Get it now as it says BUY IT NOW. Shipping to Canada I got for $13US. Best $34CAD I spent. I also got the acclaimed WineGard HDP-269 everyone was talking about. It's consistently 1 bar worse than the PCT amp. I'll post up my own stuff in the other thread...

If you are planning on running more than 2 TV's this might be better for a little more $ locally, but only 8 db gain.

http://www.sensuz.com/estore/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=36_61&products_id=259

[cmge]

I hate watching these two threads when they are about the same thing. I posted this in the other OTA HD thread on RFD.

Get this distro-amp, place it right after the antenna and you'll get better reception. Use it in substitute of a pre-amp, works the same. I could not get 2-1, 2-2, 4-1, 7-1, 49-1 (all US channels) and right away I got them when I installed this PCT amp.

Get it now as it says BUY IT NOW. Shipping to Canada I got for $13US. Best $34CAD I spent. I also got the acclaimed WineGard HDP-269 everyone was talking about. It's consistently 1 bar worse than the PCT amp. I'll post up my own stuff in the other thread...

http://cgi.ebay.ca/PCT-MINI-CABLE-AMPLIFIER-15db-GAIN-NEW_W0QQitemZ300305015042QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item300305015042&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1215|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18

will that work with just one antenna?

[night blade]

Will that PCT amp work as a joiner for 2 antenna's aswell? Looks like it will, but need confirmation before buying.

[ephemera]

city tv DT broadcasts on 53 not 57 and is alot lower in power then there analog. just because you can get the analog does not mean you can get the digital.

that explains a lot. Thanks!

[tsatsa]

city tv DT broadcasts on 53 not 57 and is alot lower in power then there analog. just because you can get the analog does not mean you can get the digital.

City-DT is on both 57.1, not just 53.1

[firechkn]

Did Channel 7-2 WNGS move or something? I seem to have lost it.

[andicus]

Did Channel 7-2 WNGS move or something? I seem to have lost it.

It's gone from digital. Apparently, their deal with WKBW to broadcast them has expired.

From the digitalhome.ca forums, when WKBW was asked about WNGS, this was their response:

"The joint agreement between WKBW and WNGS has expired. WNGS is no longer carried on WKBW's digital channel 7.2. WNGS only broadcast in analog and can be seen over the air with an antenna on channel 67 or on Time Warner cable channel 11."

[firechkn]

It's gone from digital. Apparently, their deal with WKBW to broadcast them has expired.

From the digitalhome.ca forums, when WKBW was asked about WNGS, this was their response:

"The joint agreement between WKBW and WNGS has expired. WNGS is no longer carried on WKBW's digital channel 7.2. WNGS only broadcast in analog and can be seen over the air with an antenna on channel 67 or on Time Warner cable channel 11."

Thanks for letting me know. You saved me a trip to the roof :)

[andicus]

Thanks for letting me know. You saved me a trip to the roof :)

You're welcome. I just wish it was better news. It was a handy little channel for finding things that don't tend to be on anywhere else.

[audit13]

Will that PCT amp work as a joiner for 2 antenna's aswell? Looks like it will, but need confirmation before buying.

Call Save and Replay and ask them about the amps since they carry them. I've been there a couple of times and they are very helpful.

[sidseven]

Anyone living in Toronto Downtown and point at CN Tower to get channels?
I was wondering... How many and what kind of channels you would get if you live in Downtown Toronto. I would like to know approx. channel i'm going to get before buying... Right now i'm getting 9 HD channel with the crappy antenna that tv came with (it's just a line with the metal tip really ******) Any input is apperciated... Thanks!

I'm downtown, 26th floor, facing south with clear view of the CN Tower. I have a monopole antenna which came with my 1997 analog TV, an HD-ready TV with no ATSC tuner, and a Channel Master 7000 DTA converter box. I'm using an antenna splitter from the dollar store to split the antenna signal to the CM7000 and the VCR, so I can record/watch two channels using analog and digital.

I can get:

2-1 WGRZ HD NBC
4-1 WIVB HD CBS
5-1 CBLT DT CBC
7-1 WKBW HD ABC
7-2 WNGS
9-1 CFTO HD CTV
18-1 CHCH DT CHCH
17-1 WNED HD PBS
17-3 WNED TH
23-1 WNLO HD CW
25-1 CBLFT D
29-1 WUTV HD FOX
36-1 CTS HD
41-1 CIII DT GLOBAL
44-1 OMNI 2
49-1 WNYO HD----this one is weaker than the rest, sometimes i get nothing.
57-1 CITY HD
64-1 OMNI 1
66-1 CKXT DT

[firechkn]

That's excellent. Nothing beats a clear view with lots of height where a basic antenna can capture most everything.

Just curious, what's your signal strengths?

[radeonboy]

Where are you located or how close are you to buffalo

sorry i forgot to mention. In brampton, castlemore/goreway area.

[radeonboy]

sorry i forgot to mention. In brampton, castlemore/goreway area.

according to remote central Im like 96miles away from the buffalo :lol::lol:

[ephemera]

Raining today in mississauga, lost half of my channels! Will have to take a trip out to save&replay tomorrow for a distrip drop amp thingy.

[ppl4golf]

I'm downtown, 26th floor, facing south with clear view of the CN Tower. I have a monopole antenna which came with my 1997 analog TV, an HD-ready TV with no ATSC tuner, and a Channel Master 7000 DTA converter box. I'm using an antenna splitter from the dollar store to split the antenna signal to the CM7000 and the VCR, so I can record/watch two channels using analog and digital.

I can get:

2-1 WGRZ HD NBC
4-1 WIVB HD CBS
5-1 CBLT DT CBC
7-1 WKBW HD ABC
7-2 WNGS
9-1 CFTO HD CTV
18-1 CHCH DT CHCH
17-1 WNED HD PBS
17-3 WNED TH
23-1 WNLO HD CW
25-1 CBLFT D
29-1 WUTV HD FOX
36-1 CTS HD
41-1 CIII DT GLOBAL
44-1 OMNI 2
49-1 WNYO HD----this one is weaker than the rest, sometimes i get nothing.
57-1 CITY HD
64-1 OMNI 1
66-1 CKXT DT

OTA dream being in high condo with SE clear exposure.

It's a shame you're using a D2A box as you're just enjoying the free part but know nothing about the quality you can actually get.

Do you have a dual core PC that you can stick an ATSC tuner in ???

[sidseven]

That's excellent. Nothing beats a clear view with lots of height where a basic antenna can capture most everything.

Just curious, what's your signal strengths?

The signal strength, as measured by the CM7000, varies quite a bit, usually anywhere from 100%-80% most of the times that I've checked, and the picture is usually solid at those percentages. Sometimes though, even when it says 80% I'll get some cutting in/out of picture and sound. Today with the rain, 4-1 and 2-1 were not coming in too well. 2-1 was coming in at 20-30% and looked perfect for a while, and then eventually dropped to 0-10% and I got nothing. My weakest channel is 49, which sometimes gets no signal, but other times comes in at 100%. Next weakest is 4-1, I think.

I do find that I am adjusting the antenna a bit every night, just to stop the cutting in/out, but it's not too big a deal, just a few inches to the right or left and things usually clear up pretty quickly.


OTA dream being in high condo with SE clear exposure.

It's a shame you're using a D2A box as you're just enjoying the free part but know nothing about the quality you can actually get.

Do you have a dual core PC that you can stick an ATSC tuner in ???

Yeah, I was a little bummed about that at first, but the HD-DVRs that I looked at were more than I wanted to spend, especially since I wasn't sure what channels I was going to get. I only have a laptop computer, so I didn't want to bother with a PC tuner. The CM7000 has s-video output though, so the picture is quite a bit better than what I used to get, and I can get NBC and CBS now, which I never got on analog, so I'm pretty happy with my setup.

[dell11]

sorry i forgot to mention. In brampton, castlemore/goreway area.

Are you using 1 db4 or have you ganged 2 of them together?

[cmge]

Are you using 1 db4 or have you ganged 2 of them together?

i believe he is using the ClearStream 4 according to this post

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8523882&postcount=1579

[Jonavin]

I can get:

2-1 WGRZ HD NBC
4-1 WIVB HD CBS
5-1 CBLT DT CBC
7-1 WKBW HD ABC
7-2 WNGS
9-1 CFTO HD CTV
18-1 CHCH DT CHCH
17-1 WNED HD PBS
17-3 WNED TH
23-1 WNLO HD CW
25-1 CBLFT D
29-1 WUTV HD FOX
36-1 CTS HD
41-1 CIII DT GLOBAL
44-1 OMNI 2
49-1 WNYO HD----this one is weaker than the rest, sometimes i get nothing.
57-1 CITY HD
64-1 OMNI 1
66-1 CKXT DT

I can't get 49-1 and 18-1, but I can get everything else on your list plus 2-2, 17-2, 11-1 with just the TERK HDTVa I got form Sensuz.com. I'm in Markham, and I just put the TERK on top of my TV in my bedroom on the second floor facing south. It looks pretty cool too, standing vertical, like a Christmas tree.

I got a 4221HD too, but it looks like I won't need it if the TERK will do.

[ephemera]

Anyone know if buffalo stations vary their signal strength throughout the day? I find very late at night, signals seem weaker especially 2-1 and 4-1.

[audit13]

Anyone know if buffalo stations vary their signal strength throughout the day? I find very late at night, signals seem weaker especially 2-1 and 4-1.

I find that my signal strength increases as the day progresses and is strongest at night which is the opposite of your situation. Weird.

[gogetitnow]

during my reading until the full digital transition in June stations are running on lower power once the analog signals get cut off then you will see an increase in power. I tried a preamp channel master 7777 and it performed well for me in general over some of my channels also used a powered amp for my splits! My father does even better with no amps at all so everyone does different for each location. It am just waiting for the transition to digital in the US to come in June. Hopefully presidient Obama will not move the date again.

[tsatsa]

during my reading until the full digital transition in June stations are running on lower power once the analog signals get cut off then you will see an increase in power.

Where did read that? I hope you are right on that. I seem to have trouble getting a stable signal on 29.1 and 49.1, others I'm ok.

[ephemera]

during my reading until the full digital transition in June stations are running on lower power once the analog signals get cut off then you will see an increase in power. I tried a preamp channel master 7777 and it performed well for me in general over some of my channels also used a powered amp for my splits! My father does even better with no amps at all so everyone does different for each location. It am just waiting for the transition to digital in the US to come in June. Hopefully presidient Obama will not move the date again.

Can't wait!!!

[Flameangel]

Hi all,just want to say that I made a slight mod on my Channel Master CM4228HD coupled this w/CM7777 on a 8'pole over a 2'tripod aimed mostly southwesterly and fixed mount.Here are the channels I'm getting,some SD channels and dupes were deleted(Total of 24-actual).
2-1 WGRZ HD NBC
2-2 WGRZ W+
4-1 WIVB HD CBS
5-1 CBLT DT CBC
7-1 WKBW HD ABC
9-1 CFTO HD CTV
11-1 CHCH DT CHCH
17-1 WNED HD PBS
17-3 WNED Think Bright
23-1 WNLO HD CW
25-1 CBLFT D
26-1 WNYB TBN
29-1 WUTV HD FOX
36-1 CTS HD
41-1 CIII DT GLOBAL
44-1 OMNI 2
49-1 WNYO HD
57-1 CITY HD
64-1 OMNI 1
66-1 CKXT DT
Located at the corner of Sandalwood and Dixie and all frequencies coming in at 90-100% signal strength throughout the bandwidth.Using Viewsat 9000HD STB w/built-in ATSC tuner connected to a 46" Sony Bravia Full HD TV.

[gogetitnow]

I am getting exactly the same in mississauga as well as TVO in analog channel 19 crystal clear with a Channel Master 4221HD a channel master 7777 preamp and a 2 output distribution amp to feed to tvs one with an atsc tuner the other running a tivax on my older tv

[audit13]

I am getting exactly the same in mississauga as well as TVO in analog channel 19 crystal clear with a Channel Master 4221HD a channel master 7777 preamp and a 2 output distribution amp to feed to tvs one with an atsc tuner the other running a tivax on my older tv

How was the signal strength without the distribution amp? I'm asking because my wgrz and wivb are too weak for my Hauppauge tuner card to pick up and I'm wondering if an amp would help. I have a cm7778 pre-amp feeding two tuners via 2-way splitter. Which amp are you using?

[Flameangel]

I am getting exactly the same in mississauga as well as TVO in analog channel 19 crystal clear with a Channel Master 4221HD a channel master 7777 preamp and a 2 output distribution amp to feed to tvs one with an atsc tuner the other running a tivax on my older tvI do have 19 TVO and it's also clear on my end as well as 26-1 WNYB-TBN,Jamestown.It's annusual for someone whose location is Toronto but with antenna and TV in Mississauga.

[firechkn]

With only one TV I do not need any amps, but once I added a splitter I noticed I lost a couple weak channels. So I went out and bought myself a 4 way Distro amp, CM 3414 with great results. All my channels are coming in near 100% and the weak ones are closer to 70% now.

A little pricey for the Distro amp at $45, but well worth it. BTW, I did a before and after and noticed no noise or any signal degradation at all.

[ephemera]

With only one TV I do not need any amps, but once I added a splitter I noticed I lost a couple weak channels. So I went out and bought myself a 4 way Distro amp, CM 3414 with great results. All my channels are coming in near 100% and the weak ones are closer to 70% now.

A little pricey for the Distro amp at $45, but well worth it. BTW, I did a before and after and noticed no noise or any signal degradation at all.

where dd you get the distro amp for $45?

[firechkn]

where dd you get the distro amp for $45?

I got it from Transat Electronics in Etobicoke. They have some real good prices on a bunch of stuff, it's worth checking out.

In store only deals;

2" diameter, 3' J-pole $20.
2' Tripods $20.
Chimney mounts and wall mount kits are only $5.

http://transatelectronics.com/locations/

[firechkn]

Well, the install kits are RCA. So a name brand nonetheless. I must of removed and re-installed my chimney kit 3-4 already trying to get a better position, still holds true so it's a good kit.

The J-pole looks very beefy so I"m sure that won't be a problem either when I install it for my brother. $20 can't go wrong.

[gogetitnow]

best thing is we are all not paying for citytv in HD, global in HD, ABC in HD, CBS in HD and so many channels with the cost of a simple jpole at $17 and a good quality antenna some good quality coax cable all together under $100 taxes in all my family is watching now free tv! OTA is the way to go! And for all the help and pointing instructions i got from saveandreplay it was well worth it. I will never pay for cable again ever! the other company i have canceled is bell for my phone i use vonage for my main phone line for $29 a month i call all of US and most of europe no extra charge for as long as i want but i still get a bill for phone! For tv i get no more bills

[paaji]

If anyone wants buy this in Vancouver BC PM me I have a extra one. I thought I might need two but one is working fine so don't need the other one.

thanks

[tsatsa]

I will never pay for cable again ever! For tv i get no more bills

Good for you. I have been on OTA free TV for the last 16 years now.

[ppl4golf]

Good for you. I have been on OTA free TV for the last 16 years now.

There is no more quality card to play for carriers.
HD OTA absolutely smoke them outta water.

[drp37]

I live in the Dufferin/Steeles area and use a CM4221 mounted on my roof. I do not get any of the US stations or CHCH; I did get NBC for like 5 min a few months back, but then have been out of luck since.

I'm thinking about getting a CM4228 instead ir adding a preamp. Thoughts?

[radeonboy]

I live in the Dufferin/Steeles area and use a CM4221 mounted on my roof. I do not get any of the US stations or CHCH; I did get NBC for like 5 min a few months back, but then have been out of luck since.

I'm thinking about getting a CM4228 instead ir adding a preamp. Thoughts?

I think you need to re-position your antenna correctly first. Point it away from the CN tower.

[tsatsa]

There is no more quality card to play for carriers.
HD OTA absolutely smoke them outta water.

Even with the analog the picture quality is like magazine (OTA) to newspaper (cable).

[angelelectronics]

http://transatelectronics.com/store/flat-coaxial-cable_P206

Anyone have experience with these cables? I want to avoid drilling a hole at all costs ..

try this cable which is thin like paper and Reliable German design
http://angelelectronics.ca/cables

[tyerant]

Better yet, build one yourself with coat hangers. Search youtube for this. I did and I'm getting 8 HD channels now.

LOL... I built one for fun... Used coat hangers and dollar store wire cooling racks. I get 4-5 channels with the antenna propped up in the house...

Cant wait to see what I get with in mounted high:D

[audit13]

There is no more quality card to play for carriers.
HD OTA absolutely smoke them outta water.

This is very true. Unfortunately, I still need cable for CNN, A&E, Discovery, Disney, etc.

[gogetitnow]

here is an example of going to someone that will lead you to the wrong path in your OTA setup

try this cable which is thin like paper and Reliable German design posted from angelelectronics. This is the worse thing you can do for your setup of OTA ever. A direct line is the only way to go never put anything that will split your cable as you will lose at very best 3.5db loss. People trying to promote and sell bad products for ota. this is a typical example of a very bad promotion and bad idea. Using this cable will cause you great loss and only a direct line is recommended.

People like this are very bad for the OTA business trying to promote themseleves with no knowledge at all did not even bother to read posts above to see what splits do to your signal why people need distribution amps.

the difference between a 4221 and 4228 hd is only 3.5 db a cable like this will lose 3.5 db at each end that is 7db. thats the minimum with any split. Then you are using paper sheilding between that run. what do you think that is going to do for your signal? bring more noise. then angelelectronics will sell you an amp that will not only amplify your signal but your noise too. I find this type of behaviour disgusting and very misleading with a total lack of knowledge.

Unfortunately there is no good answer for this you need a direct run for OTA this is not like satellite a 10db loss in satellite is ok. But not for OTA getting such bad advice like this is the worse thing and you will waste your money.

I do all my research on the digitalhome and only go to reputable dealers that have educated me together with my research and will not waste my time, i have work friends and people i know that have been given such bad advice from this type of retailer and had to go and fix their problems. They have spent money and lost money for usch bad advice. just because someone sells a product does not mean they know what they are talking about here is a very good example

[audit13]

here is an example of going to someone that will lead you to the wrong path in your OTA setup

try this cable which is thin like paper and Reliable German design posted from angelelectronics. This is the worse thing you can do for your setup of OTA ever. A direct line is the only way to go never put anything that will split your cable as you will lose at very best 3.5db loss. People trying to promote and sell bad products for ota. this is a typical example of a very bad promotion and bad idea. Using this cable will cause you great loss and only a direct line is recommended.
If the signal is strong to begin with, I'm not sure that this type of cable would be that detrimental. This is only my opinion since I have never actually tried such a device. I considered this type of cable but, feeling lazy at the time, I decided to just drill a small hole in the wall next to the hole for my Rogers cable.

[gogetitnow]

If the signal is strong to begin with, I'm not sure that this type of cable would be that detrimental. This is only my opinion since I have never actually tried such a device. I considered this type of cable but, feeling lazy at the time, I decided to just drill a small hole in the wall next to the hole for my Rogers cable.

thats a 10DB loss audit minimum. Look at this guy he promotes his id with his site and tells people to try this, people with a simple split need a distrubtion amp!

You got to wonder why people have little to no success with OTA signals spend money for nothing while this retailer rips people off.

this is why i say stick to a good retailer i asked mine about this and they explained this to me, they will not sell me something to rip me off!

i find these people disgusting and it makes me angry as my own work friends have been ripped like this. I have seen this cable before for OTA being used and sold to a friend of mine that is why i know its like paper thin and allows a door to close on it no sheilding at all. Trust me i have seen it in action and resolved the issue by removing it! remember any split is a minimum of 3.5 db loss a cable like this is 2 splits so 7db loss the paper thin is the worse thing you can do ever. My experience is this is a terrible thing to use for OTA. For satellite this is exceptable as a 10db loss is ok for this frequency and signal strength.

[audit13]

thats a 10DB loss audit minimum...
How did you measure the loss? If it's a simple procedure, I would like to test my own setup.

[gogetitnow]

Any spliter absolutely any splitter even a joiner is a minimum loss of 3.5 db thats at best. Poor quality splitter is even more of a loss!

Always run a direct line even a cheap splitter to go to multiple tv's sometimes is okay but most people end up having to get a distribution amp due to the loss.

Going to one tv, direct line is the best any experienced antenna guy will tell you to use a direct line never split. good quality splitters actually tell you on the side of it the amount of loss you get from the split.

When you add a window cable its 2 splits one connection on each end even being generous thats a 7 db loss. Using flat window cable 'like paper' , well why do people say use top quailty rg6 cable? using flat like paper cable the loss and interference from that is very bad. without the loss of using paper cable thats is 2 connections MINIMUM 3.5 db loss per end which is 7DB MINIMUM. i estimated 3 db loss on the flat paper cable that i dont know how much you would lose but you would definately lose signal here for sure and closing a window or door on it? Satellite dealers get away with this as you have so much db to play with in satellite. OTA has very little forgiveness for loss.

I know this as i had to go fix up a friend who got told to buy this could only get cbc and a couple more channels using this flat window cable. took it out put a direct line and over 20 channels came in. This same dealer also adviced him to hang it sideways? Thats why when i hear a dealer giving bad advice i take this really badly and it gets me very upset! Espcially on rule number one which is always use a direct line of cable!

I dont have meter to measure db loss but reading and through doing over 20 setups for friends and family i have learnt alot. I dont mind helping family and friends but they are the worse for getting my money back if i go buy the equipment they take forever to pay me and i feel like i am begging to get my money. So i tell them to go buy what they need. And a few have gone to some places and been mislead and misinformed and spent money on something that was detremental and not good for their setup. But the man told me at the store this is good they would say. Everyone i have sent to saveandreplay (toronto/mississauga) or able antenna in whitby (for durham) have come back with only what they needed an antenna and good advice. These dealers actually say dont buy a preamp or anything first go see and if you have a problem then come back. Other people that have gone to some other dealers came back with other stuff that was either not needed or did more harm then good. a good person will not try and just sell stuff to you. I know what i need when i go buy but others dont and they rely on the seller, thats when it makes a difference when you get bad advice.

An uneducated dealer is so bad and is either uneducated or just a con man. EIther way they should not be mis informing people most people dont have anywhere else to go and give up or back to the same dealer and end up buying more stuff like a preamp and then getting more noise as a preamp will also inflate the noise as well as good signal.Then the person gives up and gets nowhere for there time and money and efforts. But the dealer walks away smiling and happy to take your hard earned cash.

This is why i want to educate people and make them realize that there is a difference between dealing with an informed person and someone that will lead you the wrong way. Any reputable source both online and reputable antenna dealers that have done this for awhile will tell you good cable shortest length and no splits, they would never advice you to split its the number one rule.

I feel so upset about people like this that advice you wrongly as i have seen members of my own family being mislead by similar people that have spent money and got nothing but bad advice and gone back and spent more money on more bad advice to corrrect the first problem.

Sometimes getting a deal which is the idea of this forum on a product and buying the accessories with it is not a good deal at all if the person selling the product makes you also purchase something that should not be sold with your antenna and brings you worse results. Then the money you spend is a total waste and you really got no deal at all. I have seen this countless times, the best deal is the real deal, and the real deal is to get you the best results so you can enjoy free hdtv. distribution amps are a product made for people forced to do splits for more tvs or just one tv with long cable runs, the idea is to not do something that does more harm.

[gogetitnow]

read the faqs here it talks about db loss second section hang an antenna in the attic

http://overtheair.saveandreplay.com/ota_faqs.asp

also here

http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/r21170238-What-kind-of-splitter-I-can-use-to-minize-loss-of-signal

and here too

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/archive/index.php/t-352383.html

this is at best you lose 3.5db per split! thats 7 db on a window cable two splits on it, if you do some research you will see how much 7db loss is to an antenna setup, it brings an 8 bay antenna to a 2 bay. then using paper thin cable between that split is even worse!

my advice is dealers like this angel will not only lose your signal but will also make you lose your money!

[angelelectronics]

this is at best you lose 3.5db per split! thats 7 db on a window cable two splits on it, if you do some research you will see how much 7db loss is to an antenna setup, it brings an 8 bay antenna to a 2 bay. then using paper thin cable between that split is even worse!

my advice is dealers like this angel will not only lose your signal but will also make you lose your money![/QUOTE]


i was only answering for the guy who ask for the window cable i do know that once u have the joints u will lose the signal.
thanks

[radeonboy]

gogetitnow, couldn't have say it better myself. good points that I agree with.

[gogetitnow]

if you dont know then why advice, becuase you want to sell it to them and make people lose money for a sale.

i have alot to say about people like you that mislead people but this is not the place to do it!

[radeonboy]

owned@!

[yuprules]

This thread really needs to get back on track with "sales of channel master antenna's", not discussion of how stupid it is to use a paper thin coax cable and crappy splitters and ending up with ZERO signal :)

There is a thread specifically for this type of chat here:
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=461924

Speaking of which, anyone know of any STORES (*Not* buy online and pickup) in Mississauga that sells Channel Master antennas? I have a friend who is looking for one.

[redzone]

saveandreplay.com is in mississauga and is HIGHLY recommended. you will pay a bit more but the service is top notch!

[yuprules]

saveandreplay.com is in mississauga and is HIGHLY recommended. you will pay a bit more but the service is top notch!

Awesome thanks, I'll let him know.

[CatDog]

^ i had the opposite experience actually..maybe theyre better now

[redzone]

realy catdog? everyone ive talked to that has went there has had excellent experiances.

heres a thread in digitalhome.ca( the best site for OTA information in canada) about saveandreplay. they also sponsor the forum as well . great to see a small store helping out the online community!

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=102136

[yuprules]

^ i had the opposite experience actually..maybe theyre better now

Well hopefully buying an antenna won't show "Bad service", unless the darn thing is broken and they won't take it back :) (yikes!).

Seems ok from my 2nd favorite message board, maybe they have improved:
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=102136

LOL, we both posted at the exact same minute above.

[toprodcr]

I am looking to use an HDTV with an ATSC tuner up in Ontario cottage country. Any suggestions on brand of antenna and setup? I have purchased an inline 15dB amp so I have that part covered.
Thanx

[yuprules]

I am looking to use an HDTV with an ATSC tuner up in Ontario cottage country. Any suggestions on brand of antenna and setup? I have purchased an inline 15dB amp so I have that part covered.
Thanx

You might want to ask here in this RFD thread, you should also included a more specific city/town in your question:
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=461924

[creoledude]

I live in a condo in the Yonge/Sheppard area on a lower floor.

A bit scared about drilling holes in the wall for an outdoor antenna.

So what is the best indoor antenna out there??

[redzone]

I live in a condo in the Yonge/Sheppard area on a lower floor.

A bit scared about drilling holes in the wall for an outdoor antenna.

So what is the best indoor antenna out there??

go to www.digitalhome.ca for those questions. this thread is supsoed to be about cheap Channel Masters!

[Flameangel]

I live in a condo in the Yonge/Sheppard area on a lower floor.

A bit scared about drilling holes in the wall for an outdoor antenna.

So what is the best indoor antenna out there??I'm sure you have a balcony probably facing SSE.You can use an outdoor antenna like CM4221 couple this with CM7777 Preamp,if you really need it.

[tomtom12]

i agree with gogetitnow why would you trust someone that gives bad advice.

look at the angel website the first part of the overtheair section is a copy of anonter site saveandreplay. Then half way along the page they claim the following

WATCH FREE HDTV WITH THIS OFF AIR OUTDOOR ANTENNA
OVER 30 HD CHANNELS ARE FREE, ALL YOU NEED IS AN ANTENNA
BRAND NEW IN BOX

where is over 30 HD channels, thats a lie and is not true.

there is not 30 HD channels anywhere in OTA its 12 - 14 channels HD and over 20 digital.Where is the other 16 channels from in HD

This i agree is a lie and dishonesty alone. Why lie?

[prettyha8]

Speaking of which, anyone know of any STORES (*Not* buy online and pickup) in Mississauga that sells Channel Master antennas?

Hi there, as some have pointed out, SaveAndReplay.com sells the CM4221HD for local pick-up for a cost of $54.99+tax.

A list of all their local pick-up Channel Master and WineGuard OTA products and prices can be found here: http://www.saveandreplay.com/localpickup.asp

I wish their online prices matches that of local pick-up. Seems like their prices are higher simply to match that of Sensuz.com

[prettyha8]

People trying to promote and sell bad products for ota. this is a typical example of a very bad promotion and bad idea. Using this cable will cause you great loss and only a direct line is recommended.


Strongly agreed. Actually there is a thread about "Wacky, Tacky OTA Gear (What NOT To Buy!) (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=35083)" over at DHC (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=35083).

[prettyha8]

I live in a condo in the Yonge/Sheppard area on a lower floor.

A bit scared about drilling holes in the wall for an outdoor antenna.
So what is the best indoor antenna out there??
My cheap friend lives in an apartment downtown and put an ungrounded clone antenna up in his balcony fixed with just 1 screw, like hanging a picture. His balcony is pretty deep, so the antenna is away from the elements (rain, snow, wind, teenagers).

I'm not sure how long it's going to hang up there for, or how long the packing tape will stay stuck against the brick, but being on the 13th floor facing south, he can pickup 22 digital channels. (23 on a clear sunny day.)
The antenna is not even pointed in any specific direction. It is just flat against the wall. I laughed so hard when I saw this that I took a picture. Here, I'll include it:

Regardless, it is working for him.



http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/9976/59297701.png



http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mZutwMuIFVc/SZrWh04wrqI/AAAAAAAAAaw/57G1jSBdQi4/s320/Channel+Master+4220M.jpg
Some people who live in apartments could try using a CM4220 (http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/DB2.html)

[dieselgg]

Angel Electronics also sell it for $54.99. They are located in Mississauga -Dixie/Matheson Blvd. You just want into the store and pick on up. No ordering online.

http://www.angelelectronics.ca/ota_over_the_air
Unit # B-2
1515 Matheson Blvd East

[radeonboy]

It doesn't look that bad hanging there. Looks like a picture frame or something :lol:

He must be pointed towards the right direction as he's getting lots of channels...

He should mount it on the wall securely with a bracket or something so it'll be there permanently.


My cheap friend lives in an apartment downtown and put an ungrounded clone antenna up in his balcony fixed with just 1 screw, like hanging a picture. His balcony is pretty deep, so the antenna is away from the elements (rain, snow, wind, teenagers).

I'm not sure how long it's going to hang up there for, or how long the packing tape will stay stuck against the brick, but being on the 13th floor facing south, he can pickup 22 digital channels. (23 on a clear sunny day.)
The antenna is not even pointed in any specific direction. It is just flat against the wall. I laughed so hard when I saw this that I took a picture. Here, I'll include it:

Regardless, it is working for him.



http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/9976/59297701.png



http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mZutwMuIFVc/SZrWh04wrqI/AAAAAAAAAaw/57G1jSBdQi4/s320/Channel+Master+4220M.jpg
Some people who live in apartments could try using a CM4220 (http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/DB2.html)

[rinottawa]

Any ideal about this?

Ultimate Satellite Bundle for your HTPC - NOVA-S-Plus Satellite PCI Card, Digiwave 24" Dish w/ 2 Circular LNBF, & 100' RG6 Cable (While Quantities Last, No Rain Checks) (http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowBundle&cmd=pd&pid=022221&cid=ET.679)

Everyday Low Price: $184.49
Promotional Cash Price: $179.99

Bundle offer valid from 2009-03-27 to 2009-04-16.

http://www.canadacomputers.com/ProductImages/022221/43418.jpg

I don't have the luck as those guys in GTA who can receive 20+ OTA channels. Is there anyone can tell how many free channels I can get with this baby?

[Blitzo]

Any ideal about this?

Ultimate Satellite Bundle for your HTPC - NOVA-S-Plus Satellite PCI Card, Digiwave 24" Dish w/ 2 Circular LNBF, & 100' RG6 Cable (While Quantities Last, No Rain Checks) (http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowBundle&cmd=pd&pid=022221&cid=ET.679)

Everyday Low Price: $184.49
Promotional Cash Price: $179.99

Bundle offer valid from 2009-03-27 to 2009-04-16.

http://www.canadacomputers.com/ProductImages/022221/43418.jpg

I don't have the luck as those guys in GTA who can receive 20+ OTA channels. Is there anyone can tell how many free channels I can get with this baby?

You will get none. I believe you have to have a proper receiver thats setup to unscramble the signal from the sattelite. Hence the need to enrol with Bell, or other satellite signal company.

[yuprules]

Any ideal about this?

Ultimate Satellite Bundle for your HTPC - NOVA-S-Plus Satellite PCI Card, Digiwave 24" Dish w/ 2 Circular LNBF, & 100' RG6 Cable (While Quantities Last, No Rain Checks) (http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowBundle&cmd=pd&pid=022221&cid=ET.679)

Everyday Low Price: $184.49
Promotional Cash Price: $179.99

Bundle offer valid from 2009-03-27 to 2009-04-16.

I don't have the luck as those guys in GTA who can receive 20+ OTA channels. Is there anyone can tell how many free channels I can get with this baby?

Um...that's a DISH, has nothing to do with free OTA (Free over the air channels, such as Global, CTV, NBC, CBS...etc..). Not the same thing at all.


My cheap friend lives in an apartment downtown and put an ungrounded clone antenna up in his balcony fixed with just 1 screw, like hanging a picture. His balcony is pretty deep, so the antenna is away from the elements (rain, snow, wind, teenagers).

I'm not sure how long it's going to hang up there for, or how long the packing tape will stay stuck against the brick, but being on the 13th floor facing south, he can pickup 22 digital channels. (23 on a clear sunny day.)
The antenna is not even pointed in any specific direction. It is just flat against the wall. I laughed so hard when I saw this that I took a picture. Here, I'll include it:

Regardless, it is working for him.

Works for him, but I would HIGHLY suggest he ground that thing. Static will build up on it when wind blows on it and SEND IT DOWN THE COAX cable and fry his ATSC tuner for good one day. I bet you his signal goes lower and lower and lower as the weeks pass by, then he has to rescan for channel or "auto program it"...that's because static is building up on it (depending how much wind is in his corner). Be very careful with this setup, I wouldn't worry too much about lighting, looks like there is another unit above him...but don't tempt fate :)

[angelelectronics]

Any ideal about this?

Ultimate Satellite Bundle for your HTPC - NOVA-S-Plus Satellite PCI Card, Digiwave 24" Dish w/ 2 Circular LNBF, & 100' RG6 Cable (While Quantities Last, No Rain Checks)

Everyday Low Price: $184.49
Promotional Cash Price: $179.99

Bundle offer valid from 2009-03-27 to 2009-04-16.

http://www.canadacomputers.com/ProductImages/022221/43418.jpg

I don't have the luck as those guys in GTA who can receive 20+ OTA channels. Is there anyone can tell how many free channels I can get with this baby?

it depends on u what satellites r u looking for and if u want free ( Legal ) channels then u need have atleast 33" dish and u can around 200+ and if u have the Motorised package then u can get as many channels u want.

[prettyha8]

Works for him, but I would HIGHLY suggest he ground that thing. Static will build up on it when wind blows on it and SEND IT DOWN THE COAX cable and fry his ATSC tuner for good one day.

Yikes! Did not know that static buildup could do that. -> ie. Travel down the coax and fry your tuner. (Where can I find more info about this? Do you have any good references? websites?)

Thanks, I will let him know. Could he ground to his metal balcony railing/barrier thing? He is 13 stories up in the air. (lol, his building has a 13th floor :twisted:).

[yuprules]

Yikes! Did not know that static buildup could do that. -> ie. Travel down the coax and fry your tuner. (Where can I find more info about this? Do you have any good references? websites?)

Thanks, I will let him know. Could he ground to his metal balcony railing/barrier thing? He is 13 stories up in the air. (lol, his building has a 13th floor :twisted:).

Here's an example (with video too) of why you should ground your outdoor antenna:
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-11249_7-6264597-6.html

Most people use cold water pipes, but the problem with that is you aren't suppose to have a water meter between where the "clamp is" on the cold water pipe. The pipe is suppose to go DIRECTLY into the earth. (Like this: grounding block wire to clamp on cold water pipe....cold water pipe right into the earth WITH NO WATER METER between). Yeah I kinda broke the "rules" on my ground, there is a water meter in between my clamp and the earth.

[thelefteyeguy]

Here's an example (with video too) of why you should ground your outdoor antenna:
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-11249_7-6264597-6.html

Most people use cold water pipes, but the problem with that is you aren't suppose to have a water meter between where the "clamp is" on the cold water pipe. The pipe is suppose to go DIRECTLY into the earth. (Like this: grounding block wire to clamp on cold water pipe....cold water pipe right into the earth WITH NO WATER METER between). Yeah I kinda broke the "rules" on my ground, there is a water meter in between my clamp and the earth.

how does someone ground on a condo balcony? (attach grounding wire to what lol) Will a lightning arrestor be sufficient?

[yuprules]

how does someone ground on a condo balcony? (attach grounding wire to what lol) Will a lightning arrestor be sufficient?

If you are lucky, your breaker box will have a place to ground it in your apartment (DO NOT DO THIS YOURSELF IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING!). Or as I said some people use a cold water pipe...but that isn't "exactly correct"...even that CNET video shows to connect to a cold water pipe.

Most people I know have their hd antenna in a window indoors, therefore = no ground needed :)

[ihsn]

how does someone ground on a condo balcony? (attach grounding wire to what lol) Will a lightning arrestor be sufficient?
Cant you simply use the ground socket (the third pin) from the wall for this purpose?

[yuprules]

Cant you simply use the ground socket (the third pin) from the wall for this purpose?

In my "two some odd years I've been doing this". I've never heard of anyone doing that...but that sounds dangerous.

What if the outlet gets charged and sends it BACK into your tv though the coax cable! FRIED TV...I've never seen that suggested in any ota message boards (most likely for good reason).

[thelefteyeguy]

If you are lucky, your breaker box will have a place to ground it in your apartment (DO NOT DO THIS YOURSELF IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING!). Or as I said some people use a cold water pipe...but that isn't "exactly correct"...even that CNET video shows to connect to a cold water pipe.

Most people I know have their hd antenna in a window indoors, therefore = no ground needed :)

no luck here...the breaker box is no where close to the balcony...and no pipes too :|

[yuprules]

no luck here...the breaker box is no where close to the balcony...and no pipes too :|

Well, there isn't a rule saying the #6 grounding cable has to be 1 foot long, you can run a good 30 feet on it if not more (some people have to run it from a 3 floor roof). Of course you'd need to ask an electrician where the ground goes into your breaker box.

Ooh, you are near Scarborough Town Center in those condos? Great line of sight to the CN tower (unless a condo is blocking the view), you can use an indoor antenna for that :) Like Philips Silver Sensor.

[ihsn]

In my "two some odd years I've been doing this". I've never heard of anyone doing that...but that sounds dangerous.

What if the outlet gets charged and sends it BACK into your tv though the coax cable! FRIED TV...I've never seen that suggested in any ota message boards (most likely for good reason).
Is there a smiley for taking a comment back? :cheesygri

[yuprules]

Is there a smiley for taking a comment back? :cheesygri

Nah it's ok, we all got to learn by asking questions. There is no such thing as a dumb question. Well...maybe there is, but that isn't one of them.

[teoconca]

In my "two some odd years I've been doing this". I've never heard of anyone doing that...but that sounds dangerous.

What if the outlet gets charged and sends it BACK into your tv though the coax cable! FRIED TV...I've never seen that suggested in any ota message boards (most likely for good reason).

Can I ground it to my metal bracket that holds my A/C? Will the static harm my A/C unit? How far into the ground does it need to attached to? Can I ground it to the window well? I am planning to put the antenna on the side wall. The water pipe and the electric meter box (I saw the grounding wire from Rogers attached to it) are like 60 feet away on the other side wall.

[ephemera]

I went out and picked up a 2 channel Channel master distro amp from saveandreplay. It was only about $40. But now I get city tv yay!

I am now getting all of these (not including some analog)

2-1 WGRZ HD NBC
2-2 WGRZ W+
4-1 WIVB HD CBS
5-1 CBLT DT CBC
7-1 WKBW HD ABC
9-1 CFTO HD CTV
11-1 CHCH DT CHCH
17-1 WNED HD PBS
17-3 WNED Think Bright
23-1 WNLO HD CW
25-1 CBLFT D
26-1 WNYB TBN
29-1 WUTV HD FOX
36-1 CTS HD
41-1 CIII DT GLOBAL
44-1 OMNI 2
49-1 WNYO HD
57-1 CITY HD
64-1 OMNI 1
66-1 CKXT DT

Is THIS TV 7-2 not broadcasting anymore?

Anyhow, this CM distro amp has 11db gain for each output and it really did help me. I still have my cm4221hd inside pointed out a window. I am so happy not having to shell out more coin for a pre-amp which is in the $99 range.

My only downside now is my tv doesn't have a electronic program guide decoder built in. Would it be worth it to buy a separate OTA decoder box just for that function?

[9Doorz]

If you are lucky, your breaker box will have a place to ground it in your apartment (DO NOT DO THIS YOURSELF IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING!). Or as I said some people use a cold water pipe...but that isn't "exactly correct"...even that CNET video shows to connect to a cold water pipe.

Most people I know have their hd antenna in a window indoors, therefore = no ground needed :)

Could you ground it using something like a surge protector with a coxial input like this?
http://www.futureshop.ca/multimedia/products/large/10027105.jpg

[yuprules]

Could you ground it using something like a surge protector with a coxial input like this?
http://www.futureshop.ca/multimedia/products/large/10027105.jpg

I've never seen someone use that as a standard of grounding, I wouldn't do it that way.


Can I ground it to my metal bracket that holds my A/C? Will the static harm my A/C unit? How far into the ground does it need to attached to? Can I ground it to the window well? I am planning to put the antenna on the side wall. The water pipe and the electric meter box (I saw the grounding wire from Rogers attached to it) are like 60 feet away on the other side wall.

It must be grounded to the earth.

60 feet away, that's not to far...just buy 60 feet of #6 wire, that's like a whole $2 :)


My only downside now is my tv doesn't have a electronic program guide decoder built in. Would it be worth it to buy a separate OTA decoder box just for that function?

Er, I've never seen a TV that doesn't have a guide. Did you setup the Time Zone and Time on your TV? Then press INFO or ENTER to get the guide?

[prettyha8]

Is THIS TV 7-2 not broadcasting anymore?

My only downside now is my tv doesn't have a electronic program guide decoder built in. Would it be worth it to buy a separate OTA decoder box just for that function?

Do a google on your TV's model number and "ATSC PSIP".
PSIP = Program and System Information Protocol

Some internet tv listings are that support Canadian Antenna Channel Names are:

Zap2it (http://affiliate.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCGrid.do?aid=canoe)
TvTimes (http://www.tvtimes.com/cable/canada.htm)
Canada.com (http://www2.canada.com/topics/entertainment/television/tvlistings/results.aspx)


Also, 7-2 is no longer being broadcasted. Check out post 375 (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8529967&postcount=375)

[ClubberLang]

OK... so I recently moved into an appartment at Bathurst and Eglington. I have a shared patio on the ground floor that faces south. Right now I have a coaxial cable running out my window and resting on the patio floor inconspicuously. On the end of the cable I have a dinky little FM antenna wire like this... http://supcontent.gateway.com/support.gateway.com/s/Vidcard/AVerMedia/6008135R/6008135R_RF_ANTENNA.jpg

With this thing I get City, CTV, Global, CBC, CBC French, E-channel, OMI1 and OMNI 2 and SUN TV.

I don't get any bufallo channels and it is hella annoying.

I need something better, but it has to be inconspicious because the place has a no antenna policy. Any advise?

[thelefteyeguy]

OK... so I recently moved into an appartment at Bathurst and Eglington. I have a shared patio on the ground floor that faces south. Right now I have a coaxial cable running out my window and resting on the patio floor inconspicuously. On the end of the cable I have a dinky little FM antenna wire like this... http://supcontent.gateway.com/support.gateway.com/s/Vidcard/AVerMedia/6008135R/6008135R_RF_ANTENNA.jpg

With this thing I get City, CTV, Global, CBC, CBC French, E-channel, OMI1 and OMNI 2 and SUN TV.

I don't get any bufallo channels and it is hella annoying.

I need something better, but it has to be inconspicious because the place has a no antenna policy. Any advise?

...maybe talk to your neighbor and ask if they want to split the signal haha...else..if it's shared and they feel the look of the antenna is an eye sore...the antenna won't be an option

[thelefteyeguy]

I went out and picked up a 2 channel Channel master distro amp from saveandreplay. It was only about $40. But now I get city tv yay!

I am now getting all of these (not including some analog)

2-1 WGRZ HD NBC
2-2 WGRZ W+
4-1 WIVB HD CBS
5-1 CBLT DT CBC
7-1 WKBW HD ABC
9-1 CFTO HD CTV
11-1 CHCH DT CHCH
17-1 WNED HD PBS
17-3 WNED Think Bright
23-1 WNLO HD CW
25-1 CBLFT D
26-1 WNYB TBN
29-1 WUTV HD FOX
36-1 CTS HD
41-1 CIII DT GLOBAL
44-1 OMNI 2
49-1 WNYO HD
57-1 CITY HD
64-1 OMNI 1
66-1 CKXT DT

Is THIS TV 7-2 not broadcasting anymore?

Anyhow, this CM distro amp has 11db gain for each output and it really did help me. I still have my cm4221hd inside pointed out a window. I am so happy not having to shell out more coin for a pre-amp which is in the $99 range.

My only downside now is my tv doesn't have a electronic program guide decoder built in. Would it be worth it to buy a separate OTA decoder box just for that function?


damn...my fleabay CM distro amp still hasnt come yet :mad:

[firechkn]

I went out and picked up a 2 channel Channel master distro amp from saveandreplay. It was only about $40. But now I get city tv yay!

I am now getting all of these (not including some analog)

2-1 WGRZ HD NBC
2-2 WGRZ W+
4-1 WIVB HD CBS
5-1 CBLT DT CBC
7-1 WKBW HD ABC
9-1 CFTO HD CTV
11-1 CHCH DT CHCH
17-1 WNED HD PBS
17-3 WNED Think Bright
23-1 WNLO HD CW
25-1 CBLFT D
26-1 WNYB TBN
29-1 WUTV HD FOX
36-1 CTS HD
41-1 CIII DT GLOBAL
44-1 OMNI 2
49-1 WNYO HD
57-1 CITY HD
64-1 OMNI 1
66-1 CKXT DT

Is THIS TV 7-2 not broadcasting anymore?

Anyhow, this CM distro amp has 11db gain for each output and it really did help me. I still have my cm4221hd inside pointed out a window. I am so happy not having to shell out more coin for a pre-amp which is in the $99 range.

My only downside now is my tv doesn't have a electronic program guide decoder built in. Would it be worth it to buy a separate OTA decoder box just for that function?

Nice, I'm glad it worked out for you. I know not having a TV guide is annoying, but since we all have internet connections I use the TV guide online to see what's on tonight, just add you postal code and select Local Broadcast (Antenna) at the bottom: http://affiliate.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZBChooseProvider.do?method=getProviders&zipcode=

[redzone]

titantv.com is much more usefull then zap2it as you can add the canadian channels and save a profile that you can log into. see this thread at Digital home.ca for directions http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=100509&highlight=titantv

Again if you need info on OTA go to www.digitalhome.ca !!!!!!

[sidseven]

My only downside now is my tv doesn't have a electronic program guide decoder built in. Would it be worth it to buy a separate OTA decoder box just for that function?

I don't think it's worth it to buy an OTA decoder box just for the program guide alone, since you can get it online. I'm using a decoder box and not all the channels have the program guide info (City-TV and a few others do not), or at least my box tells me that there's no program description.

[Flameangel]

Could you ground it using something like a surge protector with a coxial input like this?
http://www.futureshop.ca/multimedia/products/large/10027105.jpgTry using something like an In-Line Coaxial Surge Protector Suppressor Surge Ender Spike Perfect PVSE10 Satellite Dish Off-Air TV Aerial Antenna Signal Video Coaxial Cable Lightning Strike Electrical, Part # SE10, SE-10 available at Summitsource.com or Google Surgender.

[9Doorz]

Try using something like an In-Line Coaxial Surge Protector Suppressor Surge Ender Spike Perfect PVSE10 Satellite Dish Off-Air TV Aerial Antenna Signal Video Coaxial Cable Lightning Strike Electrical, Part # SE10, SE-10 available at Summitsource.com or Google Surgender.

wow that the longest name ever:lol:, but looks cool I'll give it a try.

[ppl4golf]

Many HDTVs actually don't have EPG especially the newer ones.

I have 3 TVs :

1. Samsung A550 plasma has full PSIP and a 6-12 hour EPG for 'timed' viewing.
2. LG 42PC5D has PSIP only but no guide. The program name/info take forever to get displayed. It is close to useless.
3. Magnavox 19" LCD, instant program name display but no program info and no EPG.

Previously I had an Akai plasma and a Viewsonic 1080p and both had full EPG functions up to a few days.

It looks like Panasonic/Sharp don't have any guide either.

It's actually nice for others to post the functionality of the ATSC tuners on their TVs. How the ATSC tuner is a big determinating factor for me when I shop for a new TV (not that I need a new TV).

[firechkn]

I just received my first external ATSC tuner to use with my new CM 4221HD setup and it really shines with full TV guide and PSIP. Samsung DTB-H260F. Now my 42" plasma monitor is useful again :D

With this tuner I'm even getting Channel 21-1, 21-2 and 21-3 now or is this a fluke?

[ephemera]

Many HDTVs actually don't have EPG especially the newer ones.

I have 3 TVs :

1. Samsung A550 plasma has full PSIP and a 6-12 hour EPG for 'timed' viewing.
2. LG 42PC5D has PSIP only but no guide. The program name/info take forever to get displayed. It is close to useless.
3. Magnavox 19" LCD, instant program name display but no program info and no EPG.

Previously I had an Akai plasma and a Viewsonic 1080p and both had full EPG functions up to a few days.

It looks like Panasonic/Sharp don't have any guide either.

It's actually nice for others to post the functionality of the ATSC tuners on their TVs. How the ATSC tuner is a big determinating factor for me when I shop for a new TV (not that I need a new TV).

I have a panasonic viera 50px60u, it looks like that version doesn't have the PSIP or EPG. But the 50px600 does. Was hoping to find some crazy hack to unlock some hidden epg guide in a firmware upgrade. But even if it did work and its not a full listing its kinda useless.

I have the signal split, one goes into my Vista Media Center which has a decent EPG but no listings for subchannels like 17-3. I will have to tweak it to get some missing cdn listings.

This is all just splitting hairs anyhow, I am loving this OTA stuff. Which I did it years ago, i could have saved Thousands of $$$.

[firechkn]

Most people add up to 2 antennas and get enough channels. I've already successfully added 2 and now I want to try 3 on my mast for fun. Anyone try this here?

I have a 3rd 4221HD in the box for my brother whenever he gets around to installing it at his house. I was thinking of borrowing it and pointing them towards Rochester, Grand Island and Toronto. From my location facing south that would be from left to right about 25º, 70º and 140º.

My goal would be to get Rochester consistently without having to re-aim or amplify. Doable? We'll see.

Here is what it looks like now. http://usera.ImageCave.com/firechkn/user13141_pic818_1239407716.jpg

[-=MK=-]

Most people add up to 2 antennas and get enough channels. I've already successfully added 2 and now I want to try 3 on my mast for fun. Anyone try this here?

Here is what it looks like now. http://usera.ImageCave.com/firechkn/user13141_pic818_1239407716.jpg

Nice set up!!! How did you attach to your chiminey? Looks like some sort of strapping?? Did you buy a special bracket or was it a DIY.

[firechkn]

Nice set up!!! How did you attach to your chiminey? Looks like some sort of strapping?? Did you buy a special bracket or was it a DIY.

It's called a chimney mount, works great without having to drill holes and such. Between $5-$20 most places.

[ephemera]

Most people add up to 2 antennas and get enough channels. I've already successfully added 2 and now I want to try 3 on my mast for fun. Anyone try this here?

I have a 3rd 4221HD in the box for my brother whenever he gets around to installing it at his house. I was thinking of borrowing it and pointing them towards Rochester, Grand Island and Toronto. From my location facing south that would be from left to right about 25º, 70º and 140º.

My goal would be to get Rochester consistently without having to re-aim or amplify. Doable? We'll see.

Here is what it looks like now. http://usera.ImageCave.com/firechkn/user13141_pic818_1239407716.jpg

Thats awesome! How are their signals combined?

[ppl4golf]

I have a panasonic viera 50px60u, it looks like that version doesn't have the PSIP or EPG. But the 50px600 does. Was hoping to find some crazy hack to unlock some hidden epg guide in a firmware upgrade. But even if it did work and its not a full listing its kinda useless.

I have the signal split, one goes into my Vista Media Center which has a decent EPG but no listings for subchannels like 17-3. I will have to tweak it to get some missing cdn listings.

This is all just splitting hairs anyhow, I am loving this OTA stuff. Which I did it years ago, i could have saved Thousands of $$$.

I have 3 different HDTV softwares installed.

1. GBPVR - great in recording and viewing. It was faily buggy but the latest incarnation seems pretty good. The biggest issue is paying Schedule Direct $20 a year for the EPG. A little work to set it up and maintain.

2. WatchHDTV - best viewing software IMHO. I have 2 ATSC tuner cards in the kitchen PC and use WatchHDTV to watch TV all the time with one card and GB to record with the other.

3. ArcSoft Total Media 3 - this came with my crappy KWorld ATSC card - buggy as heck but it takes PSIP in the stream. However, there is no easy way to display what's on and the recording function is totally unreliable. I haven't used it in months.

I haven't tried MP in a while and may give it a shot when Schedule Direct is up for payment or if they raise price:razz:

[firechkn]

Thats awesome! How are their signals combined?

Combined I get all of the Grand Island channels and area, Toronto and Hamilton. Everything is coming in at near 100% with Hamilton at around 75% according to my built-in tuner.

That's without a pre-amp just a 4 way distro amp, which has very little gain after the insertion loss.

No luck with Rochester this evening, I even tried ganging both antennas without much luck. I probably need a bigger antenna and a pre-amp for that. Maybe next time.

[night blade]

Combined I get all of the Grand Island channels and area, Toronto and Hamilton. Everything is coming in at near 100% with Hamilton at around 75% according to my built-in tuner.

That's without a pre-amp just a 4 way distro amp, which has very little gain after the insertion loss.

No luck with Rochester this evening, I even tried ganging both antennas without much luck. I probably need a bigger antenna and a pre-amp for that. Maybe next time.

I'm about 100 feet from the edge of the Bluffs in Scarborough & I can't get Rochester (about 150 miles away) with my 4221HD, i'm certain you'll need a 4228 to have any chance to pull in that distance.

[firechkn]

I'm about 100 feet from the edge of the Bluffs in Scarborough & I can't get Rochester (about 150 miles away) with my 4221HD, i'm certain you'll need a 4228 to have any chance to pull in that distance.

That's what I thought, but it was fun trying :)

The other night I got 21-1 from Rochester, but no more. It was a tropo weather phenomenon.

[b233314]

So what do you guys do to replace your TSN, Sportsnet, and The Score? I've always wanted to go OTA but I just can't give up my sports channels.

[radeonboy]

So what do you guys do to replace your TSN, Sportsnet, and The Score? I've always wanted to go OTA but I just can't give up my sports channels.

You can only hope for anything that is broadcasted from existing networks...

Like SunTV streams NBA games
NBC shows sports like Tennis, Skating, NHL
CBC shows NHL, ski, etc
And so forth.

No Blue Jays though as CBC dropped them from their broadcast :mad: so find a stream online for that

[b233314]

You can only hope for anything that is broadcasted from existing networks...

Like SunTV streams NBA games
NBC shows sports like Tennis, Skating, NHL
CBC shows NHL, ski, etc
And so forth.

No Blue Jays though as CBC dropped them from their broadcast :mad: so find a stream online for that

Thanks for that....it makes my decision rather easy.

[firechkn]

Thanks for that....it makes my decision rather easy.

But for the rest of us who can live with limited sport content, OTA is the way to go!

Still can't believe how much better the picture is compared to Rogers HD or Satellite.

[radeonboy]

But for the rest of us who can live with limited sport content, OTA is the way to go!

Still can't believe how much better the picture is compared to Rogers HD or Satellite.

You better believe it, its uncompressed while any other subscriber has to compress/multiplex each channel into specific bandwidth reservations as they only have a set amount of bandwidth to deal with.

With OTA HD, none of that happens :cheesygri

[ppl4golf]

OTA/major network channels show fair bit of sports on weekends. All CBC did last night was hockey, back to back games.

They show the games when they matter. The Masters was on the weekend and it was great. If you must watch 1st and 2nd rounds actions, you need some sports channels to carry them. I don't have time to watch that much TV, so OTA is better than good for me with minor changes in viewing habits.

[ephemera]

I have 3 different HDTV softwares installed.

1. GBPVR - great in recording and viewing. It was faily buggy but the latest incarnation seems pretty good. The biggest issue is paying Schedule Direct $20 a year for the EPG. A little work to set it up and maintain.

2. WatchHDTV - best viewing software IMHO. I have 2 ATSC tuner cards in the kitchen PC and use WatchHDTV to watch TV all the time with one card and GB to record with the other.

3. ArcSoft Total Media 3 - this came with my crappy KWorld ATSC card - buggy as heck but it takes PSIP in the stream. However, there is no easy way to display what's on and the recording function is totally unreliable. I haven't used it in months.

I haven't tried MP in a while and may give it a shot when Schedule Direct is up for payment or if they raise price:razz:

I used to use years ago the gbpvr with my ati tvwonder. Using the xml epg scrapper was a headache.
Haven't tried MP yet but would like to try it. Also tried sagetv which seems badly programmed. And Beyondtv which was ok I guess.

I did manage to insert the missing channels in vista media center for like ctv, city, etc. The station codes where wrong so I wasn't getting epg data. Now its working like a charm. woohoo.

Also hooked up my xbox360 in another bedroom to run as an extender. Works great too. Wife will be happy bout that.

[ephemera]

Combined I get all of the Grand Island channels and area, Toronto and Hamilton. Everything is coming in at near 100% with Hamilton at around 75% according to my built-in tuner.

That's without a pre-amp just a 4 way distro amp, which has very little gain after the insertion loss.

No luck with Rochester this evening, I even tried ganging both antennas without much luck. I probably need a bigger antenna and a pre-amp for that. Maybe next time.

if you had three antennas would you have three preamps? or would you combine each cable then into one preamp?

[firechkn]

if you had three antennas would you have three preamps? or would you combine each cable then into one preamp?

You would use a 3 way splitter in reverse and then a pre-amp. I was planning to simply use my distro amp after the combined split. I won't bother now, seeing as I cannot get Rochester without more equipment.

[b233314]

But for the rest of us who can live with limited sport content, OTA is the way to go!

Still can't believe how much better the picture is compared to Rogers HD or Satellite.

What about kids programming? Are channels like YTV, Treehouse, and Teletoon available?

[Flameangel]

What about kids programming? Are channels like YTV, Treehouse, and Teletoon available?If you're looking for alot of cartoon channels satellite is your way to go.:cheesygri

[cheap_guy]

What about kids programming? Are channels like YTV, Treehouse, and Teletoon available?

No, but PBS will often carry a children's channel as a subchannel. (I love subchannels!)

[Totoriko]

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10901&cs_id=1090102&p_id=4730&seq=1&format=2

Back in stock

[slowtyper]

I'm all ready to go OTA HD but all I need is an HDTV! They have been noticibly absent from the Hot Deals forum lately as compared to a couple months ago and the entire year before that.

[kingfencer]

anyone have a link on how to install this thing? i know if i go on my roof, i'll likely fall and kill myself. or somehow shock my entire family to death.

[ClubberLang]

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10901&cs_id=1090102&p_id=4730&seq=1&format=2

Back in stock

I am curious about this device... I like the fact that it doesn't look like an antenna...this might help avoid getting into conflict with the property managers @my appartment

[firechkn]

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10901&cs_id=1090102&p_id=4730&seq=1&format=2

Back in stock

From everything I read on digitalhome.ca, stay away from these devices that promise great results. This thread is about the one and only 4221HD not some cheap alternative.

[Totoriko]

From everything I read on digitalhome.ca, stay away from these devices that promise great results. This thread is about the one and only 4221HD not some cheap alternative.

That's strange, the only reason I bought this antenna is because of recommendations from digitalhome.ca

[bogey]

1. GBPVR - great in recording and viewing. It was faily buggy but the latest incarnation seems pretty good. The biggest issue is paying Schedule Direct $20 a year for the EPG. A little work to set it up and maintain.



I've been trying out GBPVR and mc2xml (http://gbpvr.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Utility/MC2XML) is a free EPG setup.
Some claims it obtains the data from the same source as Windows MCE (I don't know if there might be future licensing issues, but currently it is totally free).
I've only used the EPG for cable (Roger's) channels, so I don't know how well it handles OTA stations.




http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10901&cs_id=1090102&p_id=4730&seq=1&format=2

Back in stock

The specification says this antenna is the size of a VHS cassette.
The 'wingspan' of the antenna is often proportional to its gain (and/or it's more likely to 'catch' some signals).
I'd try to find some reliable reviews about it before anything.

[trini]

Anyone own this in the lake simco area or their cottage area?

[adanko]

If you have access to a U.S. shipping address (or a friend down there who won't mind forwarding), the best deal I have found on a Channelmaster 4228HD 8 bay antenna is from this site <http://www.warrenelectronics.com/> but they won't ship up to Canada. I would also recommend buying the Channelmaster 7777 preamplifier to use with it from them. I am in Oakville and can receive every high def channel from up to 80 miles around, including all major U.S. networks in Buffalo or Rochester, and of course the Canadian ones here in southern Ontario from my setup on a 10 ft. piece of electric conduit tube attached to the chimney on my two storey home. I am surrounded by high apartment buildings, and have major airports, highways and trains all around me, but don't get any interference. You can't beat that for an investment of less than $200 U.S. and it will only get better after June 12th!!!!

[firechkn]

If you have access to a U.S. shipping address (or a friend down there who won't mind forwarding), the best deal I have found on a Channelmaster 4228HD 8 bay antenna is from this site <http://www.warrenelectronics.com/> but they won't ship up to Canada. I would also recommend buying the Channelmaster 7777 preamplifier to use with it from them. I am in Oakville and can receive every high def channel from up to 80 miles around, including all major U.S. networks in Buffalo or Rochester, and of course the Canadian ones here in southern Ontario from my setup on a 10 ft. piece of electric conduit tube attached to the chimney on my two storey home. I am surrounded by high apartment buildings, and have major airports, highways and trains all around me, but don't get any interference. You can't beat that for an investment of less than $200 U.S. and it will only get better after June 12th!!!!

Apparently unless you do some hacks, the new 4221HD 4 bay actually performs better overall than the new 4228HD 8 bay. So unless you can find the old 4228 save your money and get the new 4221HD!

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=100058

[shassard]

Anyone know if their is a retailer for the 4221HD somewhere in the Vancouver area? I'd like to pick one up, but don't feel like paying the insane delivery charges for shipping the unit from back east. Thanks!

[canadathink]

hi

one of my friends moved to saskatoon and he was looking tohave ota there is there any place where he can buy the channel master 4228HD and also will he be able to get any ota channels there

[prettyha8]

hi

one of my friends moved to saskatoon and he was looking tohave ota there is there any place where he can buy the channel master 4228HD and also will he be able to get any ota channels there

Tell your friend to try his postal code at the following sites:

http://www.sjmillerconsultants.com/ota/
http://www.antennamap.com/


Also, tell him to check out the OTA FAQ (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=41102) for a lot more info. If he/she is interested in the 4228, then extend your range to 150km.

[dasurge]

I'm pretty new to this, but do most people switch completely to OTA, or also keep cable for channels they can't get OTA? Can you use both at once, or is it one or the other?

And is there any listing that explains what the names of channels correspond to? For example, using http://www.antennamap.com/, I see many listings for CBUT-#, and CBUFT-# but I've never heard of those.

And is receiving 5 digital channels and 29 analog channels good or bad? (Again, using the stations listed for my postal code within 100km at antennamap).

Thanks!

[tsatsa]

And is there any listing that explains what the names of channels correspond to? For example, using http://www.antennamap.com/, I see many listings for CBUT-#, and CBUFT-# but I've never heard of those.

CBUT-#, the -# are for digital OTA station.

[ephemera]

Anyone getting that ION station? I think its 51-1 or 53-1. I did a scan and it came up but couldn't tune it in. I get the analog station. I didn't know if they started broadcasting yet.

[tsatsa]

Anyone getting that ION station? I think its 51-1 or 53-1. I did a scan and it came up but couldn't tune it in. I get the analog station. I didn't know if they started broadcasting yet.

No 51-1, 53-2 is CITY TV.

[poorgirl]

We are going to go with all your suggestions and would like to purchase the 4221HD 4 Bay Antenna, could anyone suggest where we should be picking this up. I am in Markham and my husband is in Vaughan. We would prefer not to have to go to Mississauga but if it's that much cheaper than we can.

Thank you

[Riddick]

No 51-1, 53-2 is CITY TV.

CityTV is 57.1 for me...

[firechkn]

We are going to go with all your suggestions and would like to purchase the 4221HD 4 Bay Antenna, could anyone suggest where we should be picking this up. I am in Markham and my husband is in Vaughan. We would prefer not to have to go to Mississauga but if it's that much cheaper than we can.

Thank you

I got mine from techsource in Scarborough paid $45 + tax.

http://www.techsourcecanada.ca/html/index.php?id=home

[TrueDon]

You could use two antennas by ganging them together as demonstrated here: http://overtheair.saveandreplay.com/Antenna_Stacking_Ganging.asp

I have been using the original CM4221 with a 7777 pre-amp pointed between CN tower and buffalo...and was wondering if anyone had any success in ganging together the original 4221 with the 4221HD.

[teoconca]

We are going to go with all your suggestions and would like to purchase the 4221HD 4 Bay Antenna, could anyone suggest where we should be picking this up. I am in Markham and my husband is in Vaughan. We would prefer not to have to go to Mississauga but if it's that much cheaper than we can.

Thank you
Poorgirl,

This is in Markham but you would have to pay $5 extra and pick it up.
http://www.sensuz.com/estore/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=36_63&products_id=313

[firechkn]

I have been using the original CM4221 with a 7777 pre-amp pointed between CN tower and buffalo...and was wondering if anyone had any success in ganging together the original 4221 with the 4221HD.

It should work, but you could always modify a 4221HD to be more similar to the original. Just make sure to use exact same length cables to a reverse splitter.

Info on the mod: http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=104837

Ganging info: http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=41102&page=2

[poorgirl]

I got mine from techsource in Scarborough paid $45 + tax.

http://www.techsourcecanada.ca/html/index.php?id=home

thanks Firechkn, I think I will check out Markham first.

[poorgirl]

Thanks Teoconca, this is where I will go.
I am a bit confused. What do you get for the $49.99, do you get the mast or is this extra. I though you got everything in the picture.

If it's not to much work could someone put together a list of items I would need to purchase. I don't want to go shopping and they start selling me things I don't need just because I don't know any better.

We don't have a chimney on the cottage yet so this will have to be a wall mount or under an eaves mount if possible. We have an 18" overhang
The gabel sides of the cottage are up almost 25' and DH has a height issue, so we would prefer to mount this on the side if its possible.

thanks so much for everyones help. THe TV wuld be a new tv that has the receiver in it.

[angelelectronics]

Thanks Teoconca, this is where I will go.
I am a bit confused. What do you get for the $49.99, do you get the mast or is this extra. I though you got everything in the picture.

If it's not to much work could someone put together a list of items I would need to purchase. I don't want to go shopping and they start selling me things I don't need just because I don't know any better.

We don't have a chimney on the cottage yet so this will have to be a wall mount or under an eaves mount if possible. We have an 18" overhang
The gabel sides of the cottage are up almost 25' and DH has a height issue, so we would prefer to mount this on the side if its possible.

thanks so much for everyones help. THe TV wuld be a new tv that has the receiver in it.

antenna 4221HD + Mast + 100ft rg6 cable $55+$10+$10 so total will be $75 + Government

[gohtor]

It should work, but you could always modify a 4221HD to be more similar to the original. Just make sure to use exact same length cables to a reverse splitter.

Info on the mod: http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=104837

Ganging info: http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=41102&page=2

i read the mod at digitalhome. sounds like it's better off to get the non hd antenna just for better performance. if all they sell are the hd models then I guess we'll all be doing abit of tweaking.

[fly]

antenna 4221HD + Mast + 100ft rg6 cable $55+$10+$10 so total will be $75 + Government

Would you be interested in offering a group buy deal? Afterall, the antenna is the biggest cost above and you're selling for $5 more than OP's posting and $10 more than Techsource, as above.

[teoconca]

Thanks Teoconca, this is where I will go.
I am a bit confused. What do you get for the $49.99, do you get the mast or is this extra. I though you got everything in the picture.

If it's not to much work could someone put together a list of items I would need to purchase. I don't want to go shopping and they start selling me things I don't need just because I don't know any better.

We don't have a chimney on the cottage yet so this will have to be a wall mount or under an eaves mount if possible. We have an 18" overhang
The gabel sides of the cottage are up almost 25' and DH has a height issue, so we would prefer to mount this on the side if its possible.

thanks so much for everyones help. THe TV wuld be a new tv that has the receiver in it.

Poorgirl,

You will only get the antenna itself. If you don't have a chimney then you can mount it on the side wall (facing south is better) or in the attic then run the cable to your TV. Please check below site and read some more to familiar yourself with OTA before buying and installing. If you install the antenna outside, you will have to ground it to some metal pole in the ground for safety (light strike and static in the air). Study yourself fist then you can buy everything from Sensuz to save your time and pick up fee. Enjoy you free TV. BTW I am not promoting Sensuz, just because it is closer to you.

Try your cottage postal code at the following site to find out your locations channels (analog and digital) courtesy of Prettyha8
* http://www.antennamap.com/

[teoconca]

would you be interested in offering a group buy deal? Afterall, the antenna is the biggest cost above and you're selling for $5 more than op's posting and $10 more than techsource, as above.

+1

[angelelectronics]

Would you be interested in offering a group buy deal? Afterall, the antenna is the biggest cost above and you're selling for $5 more than OP's posting and $10 more than Techsource, as above.

sure but right now i am waiting for the fresh stock for the mast and the cable will post it. as soon as i get it

[prettyha8]

sure but right now i am waiting for the fresh stock for the mast and the cable will post it. as soon as i get it

Yes, if you make a special RFDmember price, I am sure a lot of people will jump on the deal. And it will gain a lot of attention here on this thread. Especially with all the people that live on the west side like Hamilton/Oakville/Mississauga.

Just ask Carl at SaveAndReplay. :cheesygri

[Gotcha]

Hi,


Im new to OTA HD... Im in montreal and im looking for one for my dad... he bought his LCD TV and watching his TV over the rabbit ear... i know..everything is grainy and wants to subscribe to get HD...but i convinced him that he can get free OTA HD without the monthly cost...

So now I need to find one for him... where can i get the least expensive 4221HD... Im assuming this is the best value for money antenna since everyone is talking about it , right?

SInce Im in montreal, i guess the cheapest option will have to include shipping or is there a fellow montrealer who got it cheaper and closer?

Another question: If I use this channel will it pick up the other non HD channel as well ??

Thanks

ps: I have a friend in the US, so this can be an option too unless i can get it locally or relatively the same price ordering it online...

[basketball]

thanks Firechkn, I think I will check out Markham first.

They have a new flyer out and it says $24.99!! (is this the fake one?...it looks like a 4221HD to me)

http://www.techsourcecanada.ca/html/flyer.html

[firechkn]

They have a new flyer out and it says $24.99!! (is this the fake one?...it looks like a 4221HD to me)

http://www.techsourcecanada.ca/html/flyer.html

It's fake.

It should look like this: http://usera.ImageCave.com/firechkn/IMG_3151.JPG

[prettyha8]

I see many listings for CBUT-#, and CBUFT-# but I've never heard of those.

Try 2150.com (http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp). It shows you the channel's call number (like CBLFT), and the network (like CBC).

A good guide on how to use 2150.com can be found here (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showpost.php?p=437107&postcount=1).

I find that this webpage (http://pagesperso-orange.fr/universimmedia/geo/loc.htm) makes it easy to find your longitude and latitude. Simply enter in your postal code.

[yuprules]

Hi,


Im new to OTA HD... Im in montreal and im looking for one for my dad... he bought his LCD TV and watching his TV over the rabbit ear... i know..everything is grainy and wants to subscribe to get HD...but i convinced him that he can get free OTA HD without the monthly cost...

So now I need to find one for him... where can i get the least expensive 4221HD... Im assuming this is the best value for money antenna since everyone is talking about it , right?

SInce Im in montreal, i guess the cheapest option will have to include shipping or is there a fellow montrealer who got it cheaper and closer?

Another question: If I use this channel will it pick up the other non HD channel as well ??

Thanks

ps: I have a friend in the US, so this can be an option too unless i can get it locally or relatively the same price ordering it online...

Welcome to OTA, unfortunately the 4221HD is hard to find, there is a 4228 in two stores in Montreal. One in Laval called Mont Calm and one on Notre Dame Street called Raybel.

What area do you live in? It is hard to catch the "few" Montreal, AND U.S. since Mount Royal will block one of those signals.

[mrhappy002]

Welcome to OTA, unfortunately the 4221HD is hard to find, there is a 4228 in two stores in Montreal. One in Laval called Mont Calm and one on Notre Dame Street called Raybel.

What area do you live in? It is hard to catch the "few" Montreal, AND U.S. since Mount Royal will block one of those signals.

I'm looking to buy one of these OTA HD antenna also. I live on the south shore of Montreal, a little south of Chateauguay. I'm pretty sure I could get Burlington's HD channels but I'm not certain.

I'd like to know my chance of success before I spend too much money... ;o)

[Gotcha]

Welcome to OTA, unfortunately the 4221HD is hard to find, there is a 4228 in two stores in Montreal. One in Laval called Mont Calm and one on Notre Dame Street called Raybel.

What area do you live in? It is hard to catch the "few" Montreal, AND U.S. since Mount Royal will block one of those signals.

I'm planning to get it for my dad in South Shore / Brossard

[yuprules]

I'm planning to get it for my dad in South Shore / Brossard

That is an excellent location for U.S. channels.

Unfortunately the direction for Montreal channels totally the opposite direction for the U.S. channels.

[poorgirl]

Poorgirl,

You will only get the antenna itself. If you don't have a chimney then you can mount it on the side wall (facing south is better) or in the attic then run the cable to your TV. Please check below site and read some more to familiar yourself with OTA before buying and installing. If you install the antenna outside, you will have to ground it to some metal pole in the ground for safety (light strike and static in the air). Study yourself fist then you can buy everything from Sensuz to save your time and pick up fee. Enjoy you free TV. BTW I am not promoting Sensuz, just because it is closer to you.

Try your cottage postal code at the following site to find out your locations channels (analog and digital) courtesy of Prettyha8
* http://www.antennamap.com/


Thank you for all the info. 11 stations are coming up in the Parry Sound, Huntsville Area, when I put in the address.
DH would really like to put it in the Attic but after reading on the other form its not really recommend, only as a last resort. If we mount it on the side of the house do we need to be above the roof line.? Sensuz is just down the street from my work, so I could order everything from there, unless there is a group purchse happening.

[poorgirl]

sure but right now i am waiting for the fresh stock for the mast and the cable will post it. as soon as i get it


I would be interested in this also.

[yuprules]

Thank you for all the info. 11 stations are coming up in the Parry Sound, Huntsville Area, when I put in the address.
DH would really like to put it in the Attic but after reading on the other form its not really recommend, only as a last resort. If we mount it on the side of the house do we need to be above the roof line.? Sensuz is just down the street from my work, so I could order everything from there, unless there is a group purchse happening.

You might get away with just putting it "high enough" on a wall, you can test on say a back 2nd floor balcony or on a ladder high up before going to the extreme of climbing onto your roof.

Also don't forget to buy a coax grounding block similar to this:
http://www.thesource.ca/estore/Product.aspx?language=en-CA&catalog=Online&category=Satellite+Accessories&product=1500909

I'm sure Sensuz carries this, then you'll need #6 wire to ground that block to 1) your electrical system (don't do this yourself if you don't know what you are doing) <--- best way

or 2)
buy a clamp and hook it up to an outside cold water pipe that goes into the ground.

If you do not do this static build up on the antenna will break your ATSC tuner and that is as price as buying a new hd tv to fix!

There is a big debate if this makes your antenna less attractive to lightning, but...I would think if you have ELECTRICAL STATIC build up on your antenna, the lightning just might like it more than that "tree near by" ;) Frankly, the static build up on an outdoor antenna that can fry my ATSC tuner is enough to warrant grounding it properly!

By the way NBC is really difficult to get (even though when you punched in your address and it showed all 11 stations).

[poorgirl]

Thanks YUPRULES, I will add this to the list of things to buy. DH will know about the grounding part. Any thoughts on the units that go in the attic.?
I know this is what he would prefer, heights really are not his thing. I even got him ground fall protection gear and he still won't attempt it.
I have been checking all the websites recommended but I am not seeing many applications, do you know of a website that has a picture gallery.

If we added a booster to this would we receive additional channels. IF we did what booster would be recommended.

[yuprules]

Thanks YUPRULES, I will add this to the list of things to buy. DH will know about the grounding part. Any thoughts on the units that go in the attic.?
I know this is what he would prefer, heights really are not his thing. I even got him ground fall protection gear and he still won't attempt it.
I have been checking all the websites recommended but I am not seeing many applications, do you know of a website that has a picture gallery.

If we added a booster to this would we receive additional channels. IF we did what booster would be recommended.

Attic mounts cut the signal, but no "grounding" is required, so that's easier. Please be careful in the attic, DO NOT STEP ON THE CEILING, ensure you are standing on SUPPORT BEAMS when you go up there. Nothing like a person falling through the ceiling!

Any RG6 cable run (don't buy any old coax cable, make sure it is RG6) over 25 feet really needs an good branded amplifier. Such as Channel Master or PCT (much cheaper, and it is Channel Master).

I'm in Montreal, I would barely catch Fox in my area even with my TV's built in amplifier (don't ask, it just has one...really odd eh?)...with my PCT amplifier, it barely drops out now and I can watch it all the time! My cable run is 50 feet.

[markj]

i saw someone with a 'mini' version of this antenna in their window...does anyone know where to get something like this in montreal?

[kevinlee2]

Hey guys... is this samething...?
http://www.eoutletcanada.com/p-127-hd-antenna.aspx

[saveandreplay]

Yes, if you make a special RFDmember price, I am sure a lot of people will jump on the deal. And it will gain a lot of attention here on this thread. Especially with all the people that live on the west side like Hamilton/Oakville/Mississauga.

Just ask SaveAndReplay. :cheesygri

Hey guys... is this samething...?
http://www.eoutletcanada.com/p-127-hd-antenna.aspx

above is a cloned antenna not a genuine channel master product!

We have received many emails and have decided to sponsor RFD will consider posting a special for RFD members shortly we only sell genuine products no clone antennas or cloned products! Will work on something for RFD members and may post a special for you guys shortly will keep you posted!

[yuprules]

Hey guys... is this samething...?
http://www.eoutletcanada.com/p-127-hd-antenna.aspx

above is a cloned antenna not a genuine channel master product!

We have received many emails and have decided to sponsor RFD will consider posting a special for RFD members shortly we only sell genuine products no clone antennas or cloned products! Will work on something for RFD members and may post a special for you guys shortly will keep you posted!

Be sure to contact the owners of the forums, we look forward to seeing your deals for RFD members.

BTW, these guys rock. I've sent a few people to their store in Toronto. I "know of them" from Digital Home Forums.

kevinlee2:
fake fake fake :) Avoid.

[poorgirl]

Hey guys... is this samething...?
http://www.eoutletcanada.com/p-127-hd-antenna.aspx

above is a cloned antenna not a genuine channel master product!

We have received many emails and have decided to sponsor RFD will consider posting a special for RFD members shortly we only sell genuine products no clone antennas or cloned products! Will work on something for RFD members and may post a special for you guys shortly will keep you posted!


Looking forward to seeing your specials, hope you won't wait to long to post.

[davyasdf]

Looking forward to seeing your specials, hope you won't wait to long to post.

same here

[angelelectronics]

Yes, if you make a special RFDmember price, I am sure a lot of people will jump on the deal. And it will gain a lot of attention here on this thread. Especially with all the people that live on the west side like Hamilton/Oakville/Mississauga.



which antenna u guys think is better for the combo deal is it 4221HD or 4228HD ? what should be included in the combo ?

[markj]

just was wondering what is so wrong with a clone of this type of antenna? seems like this is something that buying a clone would be ok...

shipping is pretty reasonable $10 too for me...

[redzone]

the clone will not have the same build quality or signal strength as the original.

that said for half the price is hard to give it a try

[ihsn]

Hey guys... is this samething...?
http://www.eoutletcanada.com/p-127-hd-antenna.aspx

above is a cloned antenna not a genuine channel master product!

We have received many emails and have decided to sponsor RFD will consider posting a special for RFD members shortly we only sell genuine products no clone antennas or cloned products! Will work on something for RFD members and may post a special for you guys shortly will keep you posted!
Hopefully the special comes in shortly, I'm planning on pulling the trigger this weekend.


i saw someone with a 'mini' version of this antenna in their window...does anyone know where to get something like this in montreal?
Something like this?

http://pimages.winegarddirect.com/HD-1080_zoom.jpg

http://www.winegarddirect.com/viewitem~d~Winegard-HD1080-2Bay-Bowtie-UHF-and-High-Band-VHF-Antenna~p~HD-1080.htm

[Deemo]

Jeezzuzz.....you wouldn't wanna fall on that thing during the install;)

[venice_it]

just was wondering what is so wrong with a clone of this type of antenna? seems like this is something that buying a clone would be ok...

shipping is pretty reasonable $10 too for me...

I have a genuine older CM 4228 and I would say it could be cloned quite easily and provide as good reception. It is possible it might not be built as strong, but there is just not much to these antennas to act like cloning them is rocket science. I believe it is only marketing to justify higher prices for the genuine article.

That said, they are not that expensive considering it is a one time investment and considering how quickly monthly cable bills add up. I would have had no problem trying a clone if there were more available at the time I bought mine. Especially for an attic installation where the antenna is out of the elements, durability is not an issue.

[rinottawa]

I have a genuine older CM 4228 and I would say it could be cloned quite easily and provide as good reception. It is possible it might not be built as strong, but there is just not much to these antennas to act like cloning them is rocket science. I believe it is only marketing to justify higher prices for the genuine article.

That said, they are not that expensive considering it is a one time investment and considering how quickly monthly cable bills add up. I would have had no problem trying a clone if there were more available at the time I bought mine. Especially for an attic installation where the antenna is out of the elements, durability is not an issue.

+1

Even a DIY antenna can get very good receiption results. Genuine one is expensive because you have paid for the brand names.

[markj]

Something like this?

http://pimages.winegarddirect.com/HD-1080_zoom.jpg

http://www.winegarddirect.com/viewitem~d~Winegard-HD1080-2Bay-Bowtie-UHF-and-High-Band-VHF-Antenna~p~HD-1080.htm

yes it was something like that except it looked more like the Channel Master one except smaller

[Jagmit]

probably a noobish question to this thread, but how do you actually use this type of antenna to pickup and watch HD channels? and also which ones do you get and would this stop working when everything switches over to digital?

[teoconca]

Hey guys... is this samething...?
http://www.eoutletcanada.com/p-127-hd-antenna.aspx

above is a cloned antenna not a genuine channel master product!

We have received many emails and have decided to sponsor RFD will consider posting a special for RFD members shortly we only sell genuine products no clone antennas or cloned products! Will work on something for RFD members and may post a special for you guys shortly will keep you posted!

Good offers will interest lots of RFLers. I heard lots of good advices and services from you guys. Hope to come in your store soon.

[dasurge]

Can something like this be used in a rental highrise? I'm on the 15th floor of my building with a clear view, which I imagine would help.

But, I also have nothing to mount an antenna on and would probably get in trouble trying to attach it to the building's exterior wall from my balcony.

Would it work inside in front of a glass patio door?

Edit: Also, are there any solutions for getting the cable from outside to inside that won't lead to me being evicted?

Thx

[jwei]

How much of a difference in picking up channels can I expect with a DIY and a Channel Master like this?

[SENSEI]

Can something like this be used in a rental highrise? I'm on the 15th floor of my building with a clear view, which I imagine would help.

But, I also have nothing to mount an antenna on and would probably get in trouble trying to attach it to the building's exterior wall from my balcony.

Would it work inside in front of a glass patio door?

Thx

What I've done for friends is get the antenna with mast and tripod. I will mount it to a slab of particle board or something like a patio stone. and just plop it on the balcony.

Unlike satellites, the antennas don't have to be angled up and down (pitch), so as long as you're high enough with line of line, you just need to point it in that direction.

[fly]

which antenna u guys think is better for the combo deal is it 4221HD or 4228HD ? what should be included in the combo ?

I'm interested in the 4221HD and mast. I'm sure whatever else I need is pretty standard pricing (cable and splitter).

[dasurge]

What I've done for friends is get the antenna with mast and tripod. I will mount it to a slab of particle board or something like a patio stone. and just plop it on the balcony.

Unlike satellites, the antennas don't have to be angled up and down (pitch), so as long as you're high enough with line of line, you just need to point it in that direction.

Excellent suggestions, Sensei! How did you get around the grounding issues? Or getting cable from outside to inside? I don't mind keeping my patio door open for the cable in the summer, but that's less fun in the winter :p

[fly]

We have received many emails and have decided to sponsor RFD will consider posting a special for RFD members shortly we only sell genuine products no clone antennas or cloned products! Will work on something for RFD members and may post a special for you guys shortly will keep you posted!

Great! Will see if you or Angel Electronic can come up with the better package. I'm looking to buy within the next 2 weeks...

[SENSEI]

Excellent suggestions, Sensei! How did you get around the grounding issues? Or getting cable from outside to inside? I don't mind keeping my patio door open for the cable in the summer, but that's less fun in the winter :p

You don't need to worry about grounding....unless you've have lightning hit your balcony :lol:

Grounding does not give you better signal, it's used to "hide" you from lightning and prevent static build up. You don't have to worry about that in a condo unless you are the penthouse with an open terrace.

You can "technically" drill small hole low to ground to run cable inside through outside wall. But I just leave the door/window a tiny bit to run cable through. Winters can get a bit cold and windy...;)

[canadathink]

Great! Will see if you or Angel Electronic can come up with the better package. I'm looking to buy within the next 2 weeks...


that will be perfect to have a mega deal :cheesygri

[Gotcha]

the clone seems tempting for that price and shipping it is half the price of the original one...

sounds like we have 2 dealers in here ... will wait for their promo price to rfd 'ers ... cant wait to see what the promo is.. before pulling the trigger..

[Gotcha]

Hey guys... is this samething...?
http://www.eoutletcanada.com/p-127-hd-antenna.aspx

above is a cloned antenna not a genuine channel master product!

We have received many emails and have decided to sponsor RFD will consider posting a special for RFD members shortly we only sell genuine products no clone antennas or cloned products! Will work on something for RFD members and may post a special for you guys shortly will keep you posted!

whats your shipping to montreal like?

[thelefteyeguy]

You don't need to worry about grounding....unless you've have lightning hit your balcony :lol:

Grounding does not give you better signal, it's used to "hide" you from lightning and prevent static build up. You don't have to worry about that in a condo unless you are the penthouse with an open terrace.

You can "technically" drill small hole low to ground to run cable inside through outside wall. But I just leave the door/window a tiny bit to run cable through. Winters can get a bit cold and windy...;)

I use a flat coaxial cable (thru the balcony door)...balcony door closes shut

like this one: http://www.pchcables.com/8flatcoaxcable.html

got it at one of the stores on Matheson (Dixie)...the electronic row of stores...for like 2$ or something

[dasurge]

I use a flat coaxial cable (thru the balcony door)...balcony door closes shut

like this one: http://www.pchcables.com/8flatcoaxcable.html

got it at one of the stores on Matheson (Dixie)...the electronic row of stores...for like 2$ or something

I didn't know such a thing existed! Excellent news! Now Sensei and I can keep our respective homes a little warmer in the winter :).

Is there any signal loss or anything through the use of flat coax in comparison to regular coax?

[prettyha8]

We have received many emails and have decided to sponsor RFD will consider posting a special for RFD members shortly we only sell genuine products no clone antennas or cloned products! Will work on something for RFD members and may post a special for you guys shortly will keep you posted!

WoOHoo!! RFD Affect at it's finest! Thanks SaveAndReplay!!!! :cheesygri
Please have a special RFDmember price on individual items. Not just on combo deals and kits. Many of us have spare RG6 and J-Mounts kicking around in the basement already. Seriously!

Welcome to RFD!

[prettyha8]

yes it was something like that except it looked more like the Channel Master one except smaller

Check out the bottom of post #436 (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8583457&highlight=apartment#post8583457)

Did it look like this? That is the CM4220HD. More info here (http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/DB2.html).


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mZutwMuIFVc/SZrWh04wrqI/AAAAAAAAAaw/57G1jSBdQi4/s320/Channel+Master+4220M.jpg

[prettyha8]

which antenna u guys think is better for the combo deal is it 4221HD or 4228HD ? what should be included in the combo ?

Please have a special RFDmember price on individual items. Not just on combo deals and kits. Many of us have spare RG6 and J-Mounts kicking around in the basement already. Seriously! +1

After starting this thread I have involuntarily become an antenna mounter amongst my friends, coworkers and my boss. No two setups were similar. Some used chimney clamps, others used tapcons, and for one I had to get a CM4221HD anchored to a metal balcony on the 40th floor. So no use selling grounding rods and spools of #6 wire in every kit IMO.

[prettyha8]

just was wondering what is so wrong with a clone of this type of antenna? seems like this is something that buying a clone would be ok...

shipping is pretty reasonable $10 too for me...

Some information about Clone antennas can be found: Here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8341558&highlight=clone#post8341558), here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8330451&highlight=clone#post8330451) and here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8328613&highlight=clone#post8328613). ;)

Oh, and Here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8426400&highlight=clone#post8426400) and here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8583457&highlight=clone#post8583457) as well. :rolleyes:

[markj]

Check out the bottom of post #436 (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8583457&highlight=apartment#post8583457)

Did it look like this? That is the CM4220HD. More info here (http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/DB2.html).


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mZutwMuIFVc/SZrWh04wrqI/AAAAAAAAAaw/57G1jSBdQi4/s320/Channel+Master+4220M.jpg

yes i think it was this one or a clone of it

[Jagmit]

probably a noobish question to this thread, but how do you actually use this type of antenna to pickup and watch HD channels? and also which ones do you get and would this stop working when everything switches over to digital?

:arrowu::arrowu:

[Rx-87]

Hey guys... is this samething...?
http://www.eoutletcanada.com/p-127-hd-antenna.aspx

above is a cloned antenna not a genuine channel master product!

We have received many emails and have decided to sponsor RFD will consider posting a special for RFD members shortly we only sell genuine products no clone antennas or cloned products! Will work on something for RFD members and may post a special for you guys shortly will keep you posted!


i'm glad i' waited on buying..

hook us up with 4221hd deal and one on an channelmaster amplifier too!!


I'll be waiting.. :lol:

[prettyha8]

the clone will not have the same build quality or signal strength as the original.

that said for half the price is hard to give it a try

Look at this picture I found randomly on the intertubes. I see this guys clone everyday when I walk out of Kipling TTC station and head to my car. You can even see Apache Burger in the background! :D Anyway, regardless, this man has something going for him which I don't. Height advantage. Being high up really makes a big difference in OTA world. That is why he/she is able to get away with using a clone.




http://www.optimist.ca/images/testimonial1.jpg



tvfool.com shows you how thankful you should to Lake Ontario if you live in the GTA. This is a heat map of ABC's transmitting tower, and what really gets to us. Just look how far the signal penetrates the North and West sides, as opposed to the South and East sides.



http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3075/88857015.png

[Gotcha]

Some information about Clone antennas can be found: Here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8341558&highlight=clone#post8341558), here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8330451&highlight=clone#post8330451) and here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8328613&highlight=clone#post8328613). ;)

Oh, and Here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8426400&highlight=clone#post8426400) and here (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8583457&highlight=clone#post8583457) as well. :rolleyes:

Cool... based on your links it seems you had a pretty good experience with the clone as far as signal and channels you get... right?

[ihsn]

No updates?

[redzone]

Look at this picture I found randomly on the intertubes. I see this guys clone everyday when I walk out of Kipling TTC station and head to my car. You can even see Apache Burger in the background! :D Anyway, regardless, this man has something going for him which I don't. Height advantage. Being high up really makes a big difference in OTA world. That is why he/she is able to get away with using a clone.




http://www.optimist.ca/images/testimonial1.jpg



you can see my building just barely in that shot! its the other condo thats right beside the one this guy has on his balcony. i have an original CM on the 14th floor on the west side if you can spot it. he has much better los then me as my balcony is a recessed one. I get all the americian channels except for nbc and I only receive 2-3 Canadian channels due to the building being in the way of the cn tower.

[canadathink]

Originally Posted by angelelectronics
which antenna u guys think is better for the combo deal is it 4221HD or 4228HD ? what should be included in the combo
Please have a special RFDmember price on individual items. Not just on combo deals and kits. Many of us have spare RG6 and J-Mounts kicking around in the basement already. Seriously! +1

After starting this thread I have involuntarily become an antenna mounter amongst my friends, coworkers and my boss. No two setups were similar. Some used chimney clamps, others used tapcons, and for one I had to get a CM4221HD anchored to a metal balcony on the 40th floor. So no use selling grounding rods and spools of #6 wire in every kit IMO.

does any one have used Diplexer OTA + Satellite and using Signal boster for the ota before the diplexer and then after the dilexer using the distribution amplifier .
does the reverse signal from the satellite receiver kills the antenna boster ?
thanks

[gordholio]

Looks like a decent UHF/HD antenna.
My dad used to just pick up old antennas or buy them for cheap and rearrange the elements based on books he'd buy (before the internet). He would make a VHF/UHF antenna and it worked pretty good.
Our antenna was on our house, about 30 feet in the air. Used to get 3 whole channels from our house near Midland.

[tzepau]

For those in/around T-dot, the place so crappy that no one dares name it in full, if you want a clone antenna for (slightly) cheaper, Fortune Computers has in their April 23-May 7 ad a "UHF Outdoor TV Digital Antenna" for $22. So around a $3 savings from the typical price. If someone goes, they should also tell them that the only thing "Markham" about their Markham location is that it's on Markham Rd. Even though it's close enough to see the city of Markham sign for the park at the corner, it's still in Scarborough.

[cocampojr]

Hey guys... is this samething...?
http://www.eoutletcanada.com/p-127-hd-antenna.aspx

above is a cloned antenna not a genuine channel master product!

We have received many emails and have decided to sponsor RFD will consider posting a special for RFD members shortly we only sell genuine products no clone antennas or cloned products! Will work on something for RFD members and may post a special for you guys shortly will keep you posted!

still waiting for "rfd" specials. i'm ready to pull the trigger on this.

[kukiman]

still waiting for "rfd" specials. i'm ready to pull the trigger on this.

Hey All,

I went to angel today to pick up the channel master but they were sold out. New shipment should be on Tuesday. However the guys there were very informative and offered the ANTRA AT-MB04 for 20 bucks. Picked this up as they said this was a clone version of the Channel Master and they said that if I wasn't happy with it, I could get the Channel Master and exchange the ANTRA. Figured why not. They actually had the ANTRA hooked up outside and using it. The Channel Master was inside on display.

They also asked how I found out about the store and gave the props to RFD. Perhaps a group buy may show up.


Check them out. :-0

[prettyha8]

They also asked how I found out about the store and gave the props to RFD. Perhaps a group buy may show up.


I say good stuff on dropping the RFD name. I hope more retailers learn about us-type-of-people, and will cater to us educated consumers. Retailers should consider it free advertising, or word-of-mouth recommendations if they carry quality products.

(I once called the Stooples hotline to order a product, and upon reading out my coupon code, they asked if it was from the RFD forums.)

[ihsn]

Hey All,

I went to angel today to pick up the channel master but they were sold out. New shipment should be on Tuesday. However the guys there were very informative and offered the ANTRA AT-MB04 for 20 bucks. Picked this up as they said this was a clone version of the Channel Master and they said that if I wasn't happy with it, I could get the Channel Master and exchange the ANTRA. Figured why not. They actually had the ANTRA hooked up outside and using it. The Channel Master was inside on display.

They also asked how I found out about the store and gave the props to RFD. Perhaps a group buy may show up.


Check them out. :-0
How are your results?

Yeah waiting on this group buy special. Hurry up both dealers. :)

[cheap_guy]

So what's the cheapest shipped price to Montreal for the CM4221 (or local pickup)? I've looked around, and it seems a little pricey.

Even though the consensus is to "pay a little more" and get this vs a clone, considering delivery, "a little more" seems to be around double the price.

[dasurge]

Does anyone know of any retailers of channel master products in the lower mainland? I'd love to get one at a comparable price, but right now even finding a CM 4221HD seems to be a challenge locally:mad:

[redzone]

check out digital home for a discount at Save and replay.

[Flameangel]

SaveandReplay having a sale of CM4221HD at less than $5.00 on regular price just mention Digital Home Canada.;)

[prettyha8]

check out digital home for a discount at Save and replay.


SaveandReplay having a sale of CM4221HD at less than $5.00 on regular price just mention Digital Home Canada.;)

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=105996

[ihsn]

S&R's price is $5 more than the competition, plus they tack on $5 for pickup and the discount is $5? FAIL.

[VanillaPep]

What's better for montreal cotes des neiges area? 4228 or 4221?

[prettyha8]

Here is a save $5 RFD member coupon from Angel Electronics. This brings the price to $49.99. The same as DHC members get at SaveAndReplay, and Sensuz.com customers get when they purchase 2 or more. Please see details in first post.


http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/497/save5.png

[saveandreplay]

S&R's price is $5 more than the competition, plus they tack on $5 for pickup and the discount is $5? FAIL.

There is no $5 charge for local pickup price is as shown! Also we wont sell clones of any antenna or FTA receiver as some would

thank you!

[yuprules]

What's better for montreal cotes des neiges area? 4228 or 4221?

Two bay is not sufficient to pick up some stations (such as Fox). Go bigger! 4228HD baby.

[nasatwoburn]

I just bought digiwave 4 element antenna from fortunecomputer.ca [$24.85 inc tax]
I haven't installed it yet but just placing it on sofa gets me CBC HD, PBS, CTV HD, and few analog and digital SD channels. This result is from McCowan and Denision. I'll post result after I do installation outside.

[poorgirl]

I won't be running out to Save & Reply from Markhamm to Mississagua, just to save the $5.00 so I will purchase from Sensuz but in order to save $5.00 do I need to purchase 2 units.? Thought they would come in with a better deal than this.

[mwong168]

I won't be running out to Save & Reply from Markhamm to Mississagua, just to save the $5.00 so I will purchase from Sensuz but in order to save $5.00 do I need to purchase 2 units.? Thought they would come in with a better deal than this.

Well from the first post it says the pick up fee is waived if the order is > $100. I think you would have to pick up 2 of these and get a small filler item as well since $49.99 x 2 is just $0.02 cents short :o I might be interested in picking one up and I work in the Markham area so we could combine our order. Send me a PM if you are interested or else I might just run out to S&R this weekend.

[basketball]

Is there any stores that sell the 4221HD for ~$50 and offer full refund for the same day (or two days) returns?

I am hesitant to buy it, since we are not allowed to install the antenna's outside (living in a townhouse, and the townhouse corporation is bitchy about outdoor stuff). So I will be installing it inside the house.

I already get about 4HD channels (CBC, CTV, CBC french, OMNI 2) and couple of SD channels with the an cheap indoor antenna. But want to get more HD channels.

[Wrocky]

Just curious if anyone from Ottawa is following this thread. I'd like to know if anyone here may have had an Antenna shipped to Ottawa, and/or what the recpetion would be like.

I would be installing it in the Baseline/Woodroffe area inside an attic.

[poorgirl]

Well from the first post it says the pick up fee is waived if the order is > $100. I think you would have to pick up 2 of these and get a small filler item as well since $49.99 x 2 is just $0.02 cents short :o I might be interested in picking one up and I work in the Markham area so we could combine our order. Send me a PM if you are interested or else I might just run out to S&R this weekend.

Thanks for the offer MWong, but I am not ready yet to purchase, tax time is taking all my money.

[rinottawa]

Just curious if anyone from Ottawa is following this thread. I'd like to know if anyone here may have had an Antenna shipped to Ottawa, and/or what the recpetion would be like.

I would be installing it in the Baseline/Woodroffe area inside an attic.

I think the best deal for the guys in Ottawa is to buy the 5 x HDTV UHF TV DIGITAL ANTENNA CH20-69 from ebay.ca (http://cgi.ebay.ca/5-x-HDTV-UHF-TV-DIGITAL-ANTENNA-NO-ASSEMBLY-OUTDOOR_W0QQitemZ220384020852QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH _DefaultDomain_2?hash=item220384020852&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1215%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318). Yes, it's a clone but there will be no noticable difference regarding the reception in Ottawa area.

5 x HDTV UHF TV DIGITAL ANTENNA for C$150 with free shipping. C$30/each. We need 5 people to buy it together.

A CM4221HD will cost $65 ($49.99+$15.23 shipping fee).

[Wrocky]

I think the best deal for the guys in Ottawa is to buy the 5 x HDTV UHF TV DIGITAL ANTENNA CH20-69 from ebay.ca (http://cgi.ebay.ca/5-x-HDTV-UHF-TV-DIGITAL-ANTENNA-NO-ASSEMBLY-OUTDOOR_W0QQitemZ220384020852QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH _DefaultDomain_2?hash=item220384020852&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1215%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318). Yes, it's a clone but there will be no noticable difference regarding the reception in Ottawa area.

5 x HDTV UHF TV DIGITAL ANTENNA for C$150 with free shipping. C$30/each. We need 5 people to buy it together.

A CM4221HD will cost $65 ($49.99+$15.23 shipping fee).

Seems like a decent deal. I would be up for it if we could find at least a few more people. If anyone in the Ottawa area is up for a group buy, I don't mind arranging it for 5 people.

PM me if you are interested.

[prettyha8]

Is there any stores that sell the 4221HD for ~$50 and offer full refund for the same day (or two days) returns?

I am hesitant to buy it, since we are not allowed to install the antenna's outside (living in a townhouse, and the townhouse corporation is bitchy about outdoor stuff). So I will be installing it inside the house.

I already get about 4HD channels (CBC, CTV, CBC french, OMNI 2) and couple of SD channels with the an cheap indoor antenna. But want to get more HD channels.

Do what I did. Try it out with a clone first. You can buy a clone for $20 flat ($25 flat max) - the same price if you and a friend went to Quiznos. Just tell these shady stores that you'll pay cash and don't need a receipt. See how well your reception is with the clone, and remember to aim properly. You can always sell the clone for about the same as what you paid if you feel upgrading to an original CM would be better.

I'm not too sure how well a clone will work outdoors after a few years.

[basketball]

Do what I did. Try it out with a clone first. You can buy a clone for $20 flat ($25 flat max) - the same price if you and a friend went to Quiznos. Just tell these shady stores that you'll pay cash and don't need a receipt. See how well your reception is with the clone, and remember to aim properly. You can always sell the clone for about the same as what you paid if you feel upgrading to an original CM would be better.

I'm not too sure how well a clone will work outdoors after a few years.

ya, I saw your post about the results with the clone, where did you get it from? kind a pain to sell a clone, lol

thanks for reply!

[angelelectronics]

Is there any stores that sell the 4221HD for ~$50 and offer full refund for the same day (or two days) returns?

I am hesitant to buy it, since we are not allowed to install the antenna's outside (living in a townhouse, and the townhouse corporation is bitchy about outdoor stuff). So I will be installing it inside the house.

I already get about 4HD channels (CBC, CTV, CBC french, OMNI 2) and couple of SD channels with the an cheap indoor antenna. But want to get more HD channels.

what we can offer that u can have the cheaper one for testing and if u want to upgrade to Channel Master product u can return it .no question asked

[cheap_guy]

what we can offer that u can have the cheaper one for testing and if u want to upgrade to Channel Master product u can return it .no question asked

That right there is good service. Too bad you're not in Montreal...

[VanillaPep]

Two bay is not sufficient to pick up some stations (such as Fox). Go bigger! 4228HD baby.

Danm.. i just bought this: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10901&cs_id=1090102&p_id=4730&seq=1&format=2

[cheap_guy]

5"x8"? That's a little small for anything but the closest transmission towers. If you're looking for reception, two vertically stacked 4 bay antennas is good approach since you don't lose beam width.

[Rx-87]

Wasn't Save & Replay & Angel Electronics selling the 4221HD

For $49.99 originally anyways?? Now the price is $54.99 - $5?? Isn't that the same thing?


Not really a "discount" if you think about it.

More like a business scheme as usual to lure customers to purchase from them.

Sensuz is still selling for $49.99 but with additional pick-up comes to the same total as the other stores.


**total fail from S&R and Angel.. if I'm going to get one i'll stick with Sensuz
who haven't messed with their pricing since this thread started

[markj]

Do what I did. Try it out with a clone first. You can buy a clone for $20 flat ($25 flat max) - the same price if you and a friend went to Quiznos. Just tell these shady stores that you'll pay cash and don't need a receipt. See how well your reception is with the clone, and remember to aim properly. You can always sell the clone for about the same as what you paid if you feel upgrading to an original CM would be better.

I'm not too sure how well a clone will work outdoors after a few years.

wish i could get a clone for ~20 in montreal...

[nasatwoburn]

Danm.. i just bought this: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10901&cs_id=1090102&p_id=4730&seq=1&format=2

Willing to trade 4221HD for it.

[dtrader69]

Danm.. i just bought this: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10901&cs_id=1090102&p_id=4730&seq=1&format=2

that looks pretty nice....can you give us a feedback on what type of channels you get/reception/look/what area you live in?

i am tempted in getting one....
i live in richmond hill - the antenna is on my outside wall (2nd storey), facing south, with my own built antenna (youtube)....i am getting ctv, city, global, omni, fox, omni2, wned, wnlo, sun in hd.....pretty good....based on the day, forecast, and channel...i get a range of 1 bar reception to 4 bars...

interested in maybe getting a "commercial" one to see if i can get abc, nbc, or cbs...

[ciao]

Willing to trade 4221HD for it.

any idea which one works better (to state the obvious,hands down the MONO one looks better)

[VanillaPep]

Willing to trade 4221HD for it.

LOL why would you want a worse product?

[VanillaPep]

that looks pretty nice....can you give us a feedback on what type of channels you get/reception/look/what area you live in?

i am tempted in getting one....
i live in richmond hill - the antenna is on my outside wall (2nd storey), facing south, with my own built antenna (youtube)....i am getting ctv, city, global, omni, fox, omni2, wned, wnlo, sun in hd.....pretty good....based on the day, forecast, and channel...i get a range of 1 bar reception to 4 bars...

interested in maybe getting a "commercial" one to see if i can get abc, nbc, or cbs...

OK, i haven't received the antenna yet (being shipped), but i will post the info once i received it and installed it.

Btw, what kind of materials do you need to build your own? Do i need to go to any special stores?

[dtrader69]

OK, i haven't received the antenna yet (being shipped), but i will post the info once i received it and installed it.

Btw, what kind of materials do you need to build your own? Do i need to go to any special stores?

not really...you can get everything you need at a local dollar store....maybe not he uhf/vhf tranformer...that you can get at thesource or any hardware store (home depot)...they cost about 5 bux...

so what you need...
1 - 2x4 (had one at my house)
10 screws - dollar store if you dont have any
10 washers - home depot....dollar store....
some coat hangers (8 max) - dollar store....
a uhf/vhf transformer - home depot/thesource..

in total...you are looking at under 10 dollars of material...

here's a vid: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/762088/coat_hanger_hdtv_antenna_better_than_store_bought_ amazing/

[Prodigy416]

OK, i haven't received the antenna yet (being shipped), but i will post the info once i received it and installed it.

Btw, what kind of materials do you need to build your own? Do i need to go to any special stores?

No special materials needed....go to Youtube and type in "Coat hanger HDTV Antenna".

I made one myself (actually I made two, the second was a slight improvement of the first) and was impressed at all the HD content I was able to pull in (CBC, CBC French, CTV, Global (finicky one though), CityTV, NBC (1-1 & 1-2), ABC, CBS (1-1 & 1-2), CW, OMNI1, OMNI2, WNED1 ,WNED2, WNED3, and sometimes SUNTV....no FOX or CHCH yet). Along with that, I get a wide assortment of analog channels...nothing spectacular there in my opinion.

I would still buy the CM4221HD though, as the greedy bastard I am, I want more :)

[redzone]

LOL why would you want a worse product?

that monoprice antenna is maybe 6-8 db of gain compared to the 11-12 you will get with a CM4221 . there is a reason the CM one is considered one of the best for reception of UHF

[VanillaPep]

that monoprice antenna is maybe 6-8 db of gain compared to the 11-12 you will get with a CM4221 . there is a reason the CM one is considered one of the best for reception of UHF

Actually, i was talking about you :)

[ihsn]

http://i42.tinypic.com/so66tw.jpg

Unfortunately my chimney is like this one and not made of brick. What sort of a chimney mast/bracket would I need?

Thanks.

[SENSEI]

http://i42.tinypic.com/so66tw.jpg

Unfortunately my chimney is like this one and not made of brick. What sort of a chimney mast/bracket would I need?

Thanks.

I wouldn't mount it to that chimney.
I would suggest a wall mount under the eaves.
Depending on which wall is facing south, the mounts go right under the eaves and the antenna is held away form the wall by the mount on the outside of the eaves.

http://www.sensuz.com/estore/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=36_60&products_id=229

This unit comes with a pair. The mast goes through the rings and the antenna attaches to the mast via c-clamps.

[VanillaPep]

I received the Mono antenna.. but i'm only getting analog signals..??! Anyone got an idea how to set the TV to get digital channels? Samsung LN40A650.

Thanks.

[angelelectronics]

I received the Mono antenna.. but i'm only getting analog signals..??! Anyone got an idea how to set the TV to get digital channels? Samsung LN40A650.

Thanks.

i believe u go to Menu and then select Auto Tuning and that shall scan the HD channels or DTV channels

[VanillaPep]

i believe u go to Menu and then select Auto Tuning and that shall scan the HD channels or DTV channels

Hmm.. i just did a scan, and it only gets analog channels. I don't need anything like a "HD Tuner" do I? The samsung has ATSC..

[masterc]

Hmm.. i just did a scan, and it only gets analog channels. I don't need anything like a "HD Tuner" do I? The samsung has ATSC..

ATSC is your OTA hd tuner. CHeck if there is a setting for your channel scans - auto, analog, etc...

[Flameangel]

Hmm.. i just did a scan, and it only gets analog channels. I don't need anything like a "HD Tuner" do I? The samsung has ATSC..The built-in ATSC tuner in your TV is good enough and you don't need to use the FTA receivers ATSC tuner although it has the meter for Signal Strength not that Samsung don't have it,if I not mistaken.

[VanillaPep]

Hmm.. i just did another scan and 0 channel for DTV Air has been detected. Maybe it's because i've put the antenna on the floor?

Hmm..

[canadathink]

Hmm.. i just did another scan and 0 channel for DTV Air has been detected. Maybe it's because i've put the antenna on the floor?

Hmm..

can u just put what do u get after pressing menu and what options do u get after that.
make sure ur antenna's is not broke
and i have LG and what i do is only press menu and then in setup i just press auto tuning and iget my 20+ Hd channels

[VanillaPep]

I press Menu -> Channel

Then i have these options:

Antenna : Air or Cable
I pick "Air".

Auto Program: Air or Cable or Auto (both)
After i pick the "Air", it starts scanning. And i get -- for DTV Air and about 8 for Air.

If i pick "Auto" it scans for DTV Air and DTV Cable and Air and Cable. I get -- for the DTV Air and DTV Cable and get 8 for Air and 3 for Cable.

I have the antenna laying on the floor.

[Star*]

what we can offer that u can have the cheaper one for testing and if u want to upgrade to Channel Master product u can return it .no question asked

Hi angelelectronics, is there a big difference between the cheaper one and the Channel Master 4221?

[saveandreplay]

Well from the first post it says the pick up fee is waived if the order is > $100. I think you would have to pick up 2 of these and get a small filler item as well since $49.99 x 2 is just $0.02 cents short :o I might be interested in picking one up and I work in the Markham area so we could combine our order. Send me a PM if you are interested or else I might just run out to S&R this weekend.

We were told about this forum from our customers! We recommend people go where ever you like to get a channel master product does not matter go to Markham, scarborough, downtown, mississauga or anywhere. If you can get it for $5 cheaper then i would if it was close by it makes no sense to save $5 if you have to drive for 30 minutes. Our aim was to thank people our customers and redflagdeals as we had customers coming to us and we ask them where did you hear about us and a few said RFD, so we sponsored this forum and wanted to give back to another canadian company RFD by sponsoring them. If we had to give $5 off to give less of a service we would rather not! our aim is to have a place for people to ask advice, to ask for help on grounding, mounting, distribution amps, preamps and towers.

We will never scarfice $5 for customer service or a place where you go to a mailbox or by appointment or call a number and leave a message. Also we pride ourselves for having all the products from mounting (eaves, 3",6",12",18" brackets), antennas not just the 4221HD, belden grounding wire, grounding rods. All quaility named brand products and free advice and help not just pickup and go. Channel Master is a 60 year old company with the greatest products and a wealth of experience which not only reflects in its antenna but complimentry products distribution amps, and preamps. We love the channel master line and will only sell genuine products no clones from companies that pride themselves on best quality! People try and copy from the best but its tried tested and proven as every OTA forum will tell you!

Again the main reason we came online is because people told us we were mentioned here and we would like to thank all those people that said such positive things!

All we can say is WE LOVE CHANNEL MASTER products and they have a complete line of OTA gear does not matter where you buy it from, but one thing is for sure if you try one you will love it as much as we do!

Now im going to watch more free HDTV!

[emuu101]

We will never scarfice $5 for customer service or a place where you go to a mailbox or by appointment or call a number and leave a message.

wow that sounds alot like a direct stab at your competition (Sensuz). but haven't they been around longer than you guys? they may not have a physical store, but since doing my reserach for OTA on digital homes, they have been around since early 2005 and have really given the OTA market a head start.

Almost everyone i know (including myself) who is now in OTA bought from these guys originally when they had their orig 4221 as cheap as $39.99 and it is all legit/authentic as well, no clones with them.

i agree that you should get it wherever is closest to you. $5 is easily the cost of gas to get across town. There is tonnes of info about installs and channels on the forums, but i've had great success building my whole system with the input from the guys at Sensuz. In fact, when they didn't have items listed online, they still managed to source it for me.

I've never had a problem with the services they offer. And they've always consistently offered fair prices and don't seem to be playing with pricing lately by raising it then discounting it.

[crvme]

We were told about this forum from our customers! We recommend people go where ever you like to get a channel master product does not matter go to Markham, scarborough, downtown, mississauga or anywhere. If you can get it for $5 cheaper then i would if it was close by it makes no sense to save $5 if you have to drive for 30 minutes. Our aim was to thank people our customers and redflagdeals as we had customers coming to us and we ask them where did you hear about us and a few said RFD, so we sponsored this forum and wanted to give back to another canadian company RFD by sponsoring them. If we had to give $5 off to give less of a service we would rather not! our aim is to have a place for people to ask advice, to ask for help on grounding, mounting, distribution amps, preamps and towers.

We will never scarfice $5 for customer service or a place where you go to a mailbox or by appointment or call a number and leave a message. Also we pride ourselves for having all the products from mounting (eaves, 3",6",12",18" brackets), antennas not just the 4221HD, belden grounding wire, grounding rods. All quaility named brand products and free advice and help not just pickup and go. Channel Master is a 60 year old company with the greatest products and a wealth of experience which not only reflects in its antenna but complimentry products distribution amps, and preamps. We love the channel master line and will only sell genuine products no clones from companies that pride themselves on best quality! People try and copy from the best but its tried tested and proven as every OTA forum will tell you!

Again the main reason we came online is because people told us we were mentioned here and we would like to thank all those people that said such positive things!

All we can say is WE LOVE CHANNEL MASTER products and they have a complete line of OTA gear does not matter where you buy it from, but one thing is for sure if you try one you will love it as much as we do!

Now im going to watch more free HDTV!


This is my first posting after lurking for 7 or 8 years and joining about 3 years ago. I must say I was very happy with the service and the product at saveandreplay. 5 dollars and more is worth integrity great advice and service.

[angelelectronics]

Hi angelelectronics, is there a big difference between the cheaper one and the Channel Master 4221?

i believe the Channel master is a Brand name and it has proven it self from last 60 years. and the cheaper antenna is Cheap becasue of Pricing ( not becasue of performance wise ) and also Thanks to China Make. if it was to be made here localy it would be expansive.
we give the choice to the RFD's to try themself both and which ever they like they can go for it.
right now there are lot of diffrent brands coming in the markete and in next month or 2 u will see more rival companies to CM. just the way u see diffrent Auto companies are strugling to be in the markete.

[SENSEI]

i believe the Channel master is a Brand name and it has proven it self from last 60 years. and the cheaper antenna is Cheap becasue of Pricing ( not becasue of performance wise ) and also Thanks to China Make. if it was to be made here localy it would be expansive.
we give the choice to the RFD's to try themself both and which ever they like they can go for it.
right now there are lot of diffrent brands coming in the markete and in next month or 2 u will see more rival companies to CM. just the way u see diffrent Auto companies are strugling to be in the markete.

Sorry angel, but I have no clue what you just said :lol:

It's confusing, but even the newer CM4221HD and 4228HD are made in China as well. In fact even the CM7777 and all the mini-distributors are made in China as well.

So to say the clones and knock-offs are China brand isn't correct as everything comes from overseas these days.

I haven't been able to see the difference in build quality, but all forums and feedback from what I've read points to the Channel Masters being able to pickup signals better. Whether that has to do with actual materials and build quality, I don't know...but something about them gives them better signal.

[emuu101]

This is my first posting after lurking for 7 or 8 years and joining about 3 years ago. I must say I was very happy with the service and the product at saveandreplay. 5 dollars and more is worth integrity great advice and service.

Are you suggesting that others don't have integrity, advice and service? I got integrity, great advice and service while saving money buying from Sensuz for many years.

[saveandreplay]

wow that sounds alot like a direct stab at your competition (Sensuz). but haven't they been around longer than you guys?

not a knock sir just stating that we are not about price if it costs us $5 more to do business the way we do it then we will not take shortcuts! This is the way we want to serve people! I think sensuz is a good retailer they for sure dont promote cheap nasty clones! As we said buy where ever you wish just dont get cloned or fooled channel master is a star product! On that note we shall remain out of the forums as things seem to get misread our feelings are buy from anywhere just dont be fooled by clones buy a channel master it is an award winning product! Sensuz is a great place to buy, go to markham, go to toronto go anywhere just buy an original antenna and dont get fooled!

[Star*]

Sorry angel, but I have no clue what you just said :lol:

It's confusing, but even the newer CM4221HD and 4228HD are made in China as well. In fact even the CM7777 and all the mini-distributors are made in China as well.

So to say the clones and knock-offs are China brand isn't correct as everything comes from overseas these days.

I haven't been able to see the difference in build quality, but all forums and feedback from what I've read points to the Channel Masters being able to pickup signals better. Whether that has to do with actual materials and build quality, I don't know...but something about them gives them better signal.

Sorry Angel, but are you saying they have the same performance? If so it's no reason to take the expensive one right?

So SENSEI, you are saying CM is better than non-brand one, much better or just little bit?

[teoconca]

Guys and Gals,

Let's get back to the purpose of this thread, OTA. We are straying off topic here. Please stop hitting each other. Sensuz, AE, S&R are good stores by offering people like us the tools and info to OTA. Let's all stop right here. Look at Ottawa, Montreal, Vancouver folks, they don't have the luxury like GTA has. They don't have stores like we do. :(

Thank you.

[teoconca]

Sorry Angel, but are you saying they have the same performance? If so it's no reason to take the expensive one right?

So SENSEI, you are saying CM is better than non-brand one, big or just little bit?

These days "brand" is everything. Channel Master is in this business for over 40 years. They hold the brand name products and bragging right. People normally trust and like the brand name products more just like Sony, Panasonic, etc. Smaller names may offer cheaper prices because they are not well established. In OTA, clones may be not as good of receiving or not built well, but they can do the job as well. Look at someone posted an antenna from DX for $2, it works not as well but it is cheap. Like someone built their own antenna, it doesn't look good but it is fun and cheap. They all work in some capacity.

[Star*]

These days "brand" is everything. Channel Master is in this business for over 40 years. They hold the brand name products and bragging right. People normally trust and like the brand name products more just like Sony, Panasonic, etc. Smaller names may offer cheaper prices because they are not well established. In OTA, clones may be not as good of receiving or not built well, but they can do the job as well. Look at someone posted an antenna from DX for $2, it works not as well but it is cheap. Like someone built their own antenna, it doesn't look good but it is fun and cheap. They all work in some capacity.

Thanks for the info.
What I wanted to know is, say if CM can pick up 10 channels but clone one only can pick 6 then no matter how cheaper it is I will go with CM.

I already have one from MONOPRICE but I have two problem with it. One is it never pick up any US channels but one guy who lives in the same area left a comment on MONOPRICE said he can pick up all US chennels. Another problem is 9-1 CTV, and 57-1 CityTV's signals are strang enough but I can not get both - every time when I scan I only get one, 9-1 or 57-1 but never get both, don't know why. So wondering if CM can fix my problem.

[sc888888]

Like someone built their own antenna, it doesn't look good but it is fun and cheap. They all work in some capacity.

If you search the digitalhome forum you will lots of very looking antenna which I have no issue putting up on my roof. I hope I have the skill and time of those people.

Is it fun to build? Yes and it is tougher than you think.

Is it cheap? No. 8 gauge copper wire is expensive and tough to work.

Is mine good looking? 100% no.

Is it working? 100% yes, comparable to a 4228.

After all the fun, I went to saveandplay and got a 4221 because the 4228 is too directional.

[SENSEI]

Thanks for the info.
What I wanted to know is, say if CM can pick up 10 channels but clone one only can pick 6 then no matter how cheaper it is I will go with CM.

I already have one from MONOPRICE but I have two problem with it. One is it never pick up any US channels but one guy who lives in the same area left a comment on MONOPRICE said he can pick up all US chennels. Another problem is 9-1 CTV, and 57-1 CityTV's signals are strang enough but I can not get both - every time when I scan I only get one, 9-1 or 57-1 but never get both, don't know why. So wondering if CM can fix my problem.

I think all OTA users and retailers will agree that the orig CM stuff is much better built. Their warranty is better, they have years of experience and a whole lineup of accessories made to support each other.

However, also know that no one can guarantee that you will even get OTA. You can live in a condo down town and be facing the wrong way and have no chance of getting signals. You can have a neighbor with 19 channels, yet you have a tree or some other metal building blocking your line of site that will make you only have 5 channels.

There are so many variables to receiving all the channels. Why add another one with the quality of the antenna? I say just get the best, proven brand (CM) and if you're not getting signals, you know it's not a gimpy antenna.

I know this is RFD and all, but c'mon...you make a POS for $10 and find you get some signal...so you buy a clone and find you get more...you add a pre-amp thinking you can get more, then you realize you need to raise it higher...the masts and mounts cost you another $40....if you have the signal, spend the first time on the right stuff.

What I really would like from retailers is a service for them to come out and run some tests with a signal meter to see what you can and can't get. The cheapy $20-30 signal meter is a scam and only shows you where UHF signals are...they are everywhere...you need to use the more expensive meters that can tune in to specific channels so you can test the ability to pickup signals from stations on the edges of your field of view.

[sc888888]

Another problem is 9-1 CTV, and 57-1 CityTV's signals are strang enough but I can not get both - every time when I scan I only get one, 9-1 or 57-1 but never get both, don't know why. So wondering if CM can fix my problem.

Let me share my experience with you. I have similar problem. The TV scan and found 57-1 along with all channels available in my area but when I tune the channel the channel is not working. This is with a clone CM4221.

I then upgraded to a real CM4228 hope to get better reception on Buffalo stations but I am disappointed. The performance is improved by not significant and it is more directional and caused micro break on 7-1. Still no 57-1.

Build a single bay GH antenna. The performance is similar to the 4228 and still no 57-1.

Replaced the homemade antenna with a CM4221 and still no 57-1. Micro break on 7-1 still exist but is too short to annoy me.

The problem is not with the TV turner because I have the same problem on other USB tuner adapter. So upgrading antenna might not fix your problem.

[Star*]

I think all OTA users and retailers will agree that the orig CM stuff is much better built. Their warranty is better, they have years of experience and a whole lineup of accessories made to support each other.

However, also know that no one can guarantee that you will even get OTA. You can live in a condo down town and be facing the wrong way and have no chance of getting signals. You can have a neighbor with 19 channels, yet you have a tree or some other metal building blocking your line of site that will make you only have 5 channels.

There are so many variables to receiving all the channels. Why add another one with the quality of the antenna? I say just get the best, proven brand (CM) and if you're not getting signals, you know it's not a gimpy antenna.

I know this is RFD and all, but c'mon...you make a POS for $10 and find you get some signal...so you buy a clone and find you get more...you add a pre-amp thinking you can get more, then you realize you need to raise it higher...the masts and mounts cost you another $40....if you have the signal, spend the first time on the right stuff.

What I really would like from retailers is a service for them to come out and run some tests with a signal meter to see what you can and can't get. The cheapy $20-30 signal meter is a scam and only shows you where UHF signals are...they are everywhere...you need to use the more expensive meters that can tune in to specific channels so you can test the ability to pickup signals from stations on the edges of your field of view.

Got it, you are really like a SENSEI. Thank you.

[yuprules]

Let me share my experience with you. I have similar problem. The TV scan and found 57-1 along with all channels available in my area but when I tune the channel the channel is not working. This is with a clone CM4221.

I then upgraded to a real CM4228 hope to get better reception on Buffalo stations but I am disappointed. The performance is improved by not significant and it is more directional and caused micro break on 7-1. Still no 57-1.

Build a single bay GH antenna. The performance is similar to the 4228 and still no 57-1.

Replaced the homemade antenna with a CM4221 and still no 57-1. Micro break on 7-1 still exist but is too short to annoy me.

The problem is not with the TV turner because I have the same problem on other USB tuner adapter. So upgrading antenna might not fix your problem.

How long is your cable run? Ensure the following is followed:

1) ensure you are using RG6 cabling (will be printed on calbe)
2) if your cable run is more than 25 feet, you'll need a good branded amplifier such as PCT or Channelmaster. Many no name amps just amplifier NOISE and make the signal worse.

[Star*]

Let me share my experience with you. I have similar problem. The TV scan and found 57-1 along with all channels available in my area but when I tune the channel the channel is not working. This is with a clone CM4221.

I then upgraded to a real CM4228 hope to get better reception on Buffalo stations but I am disappointed. The performance is improved by not significant and it is more directional and caused micro break on 7-1. Still no 57-1.

Build a single bay GH antenna. The performance is similar to the 4228 and still no 57-1.

Replaced the homemade antenna with a CM4221 and still no 57-1. Micro break on 7-1 still exist but is too short to annoy me.

The problem is not with the TV turner because I have the same problem on other USB tuner adapter. So upgrading antenna might not fix your problem.

Thank you for sharing!
In my case both channels are working with strong signal when they got picked up but just don't come together.

[Wrocky]

I think the best deal for the guys in Ottawa is to buy the 5 x HDTV UHF TV DIGITAL ANTENNA CH20-69 from ebay.ca (http://cgi.ebay.ca/5-x-HDTV-UHF-TV-DIGITAL-ANTENNA-NO-ASSEMBLY-OUTDOOR_W0QQitemZ220384020852QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH _DefaultDomain_2?hash=item220384020852&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1215%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318). Yes, it's a clone but there will be no noticable difference regarding the reception in Ottawa area.

5 x HDTV UHF TV DIGITAL ANTENNA for C$150 with free shipping. C$30/each. We need 5 people to buy it together.

A CM4221HD will cost $65 ($49.99+$15.23 shipping fee).

Just a quick update to say that it looks like I have 4 people in for this group buy of 5 antennas. I've posted some other information about station availability in the Home and Garden forum.
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8673374&postcount=6

I'm not trying to hijack this thread, but provide an oppourtunity for anyone in Ottawa to get a clone delivered (to pick up at my house anyway) for $30. :razz:

PM me if interested.

[fly]

Sorry Angel, but are you saying they have the same performance? If so it's no reason to take the expensive one right?

So SENSEI, you are saying CM is better than non-brand one, much better or just little bit?

From what I've ready the CM antenna receptors (the whiskers) are 1" longer than the clones, so it may be the difference between picking up a channel and not, or getting constant signal or ocassional jumps. It really depends on the individual (where you live wrt the transmission tower, and if there's any interference). A CM may not make a difference from a clone so you have to do your own research.

However, if you're going to spend time and money on this, might as well pay the extra few bucks so you don't question whether or not you're losing signals because of a cheap antenna. You know you can't go wrong with a CM antenna.

[cheap_guy]

By the way, the channel 20-69 antenna is also ok for 14-19. The specs say that its 470Mhz+, which is channel 14 in canada. The specs are probably european, at least that's the case with the digiwave stuff

[sc888888]

How long is your cable run? Ensure the following is followed:

1) ensure you are using RG6 cabling (will be printed on calbe)
2) if your cable run is more than 25 feet, you'll need a good branded amplifier such as PCT or Channelmaster. Many no name amps just amplifier NOISE and make the signal worse.

1. Yes, RG6 cable
2. Less than 20 feet from antenna to wallplate and 3 feet RG6 patch from wallplate to TV

[yuprules]

1. Yes, RG6 cable
2. Less than 20 feet from antenna to wallplate and 3 feet RG6 patch from wallplate to TV

For the heck of it, try "without the wall plate" with the Channel Master antenna.

[prettyha8]

For the heck of it, try "without the wall plate" with the Channel Master antenna.

I agree. Every time you introduce a coupler or a "thin window coupler thingy" you will most likely introduce some noise and decrease your SNR ratio in your RG6. Also make sure you are aiming correctly. There are a few pointers earlier on in this thread on how to aim.

[VanillaPep]

Anyone got HD channels in montreal? I dont get any..

[yuprules]

VanillaPep
I get tons of U.S. channels with my Channel Master 4228.

Please note there are very few HD montreal channels and they are NOT on Mount Royal, antenna's are scattered everywhere on the island of Montreal until the 2011 cut over date.

CBC (English and French) near the Jacques Cartier Bridge (Mont Royal blocks half of the darn island from getting it)

TQS (Their office building, I forget where, somewhere near CBC)

Tele-Quebec (Olympic Stadium).

This board is specific to Montreal reception results (don't ask questions in here, it's just a collection of people's reception results) http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=53294 (go to the last 20 pages to see the latest of what people can catch).

[cheap_guy]

Anyone got HD channels in montreal? I dont get any..

Because there's a mountain in the way, it really depends on where you live. People in many parts of the west island can't get montreal stations SRC,CBC, TQS and TQ. The US channels are pretty far, so you'll need an appropriate solution. The digitalhome site is really your best reference.

[VanillaPep]

@yuprules and cheap_guy

oh.. i thought it was on the mount-royal!

I live in the H3S area (cotes-des-neiges/jean-talon) so i guess i'm on the other side of the mountain. Urgh.. maybe they should cut off the mountain..

Maybe that explains why i don't get anything. But then, even if i get a CM4221/28, will it help getting signals throught the mountain?

[cheap_guy]

@yuprules and cheap_guy

oh.. i thought it was on the mount-royal!

I live in the H3S area (cotes-des-neiges/jean-talon) so i guess i'm on the other side of the mountain. Urgh.. maybe they should cut off the mountain..

Maybe that explains why i don't get anything. But then, even if i get a CM4221/28, will it help getting signals throught the mountain?

You have pretty much the best antenna possible. Point it directly at the CBC building from the highest point you have available to you. If it works, then you MAY be able to figure something out to pull in SRC/CBC and the US channels at the same time. If you don't get it, then you're probably out of luck.

I don't watch much TQ, so I can't say if its worth it for you. TQS broadcasts from on top of an apartment building in the plateau, so you probably won't be able to pick that up.

[najibs]

I've been following this thread for a few weeks. Last weekend I purchased a CM4221 clone from Angel Electronics, in Mississauga. Great service from them, and I recommend them, especially with the small RFD discount. They told me that if I didn't like it, I could exchange it for the Channel Master.

I hooked up the clone, and found that it really wasn't too much better than the rabbit ears I have here at home! Kinda pathetic for an antenna that big. I decided I'd return it, and exchange it for the CM4221. I'm glad I'm did. The CM is a LOT better.

Not only am I getting more channels, but on some channels where I previously had 60-70% signal, I am now getting 85-90%, and it makes a big difference in the clarity of the channels.

The bottomline here is that you get what you pay for. There is a reason the clone is $20, and the CM is $50. Is the CM worth it at twice the price, you're asking? I say a big YES. Upon inspection, the CM build quality isn't that different from the clone, and they look pretty much identical, but build quality aside, for reception and signal which is what really matters, the CM pulls out ahead.

I'm not an expert at this by any means. I'm new to HD-OTA, and those are my findings. For those wondering my location. I'm in the 5th floor of a condo in Missisauga, facig the CN Tower. I pointed the antenna directly at the CN tower, and that is giving me the best reception. I'm sure that if I had it mounted on a roof I could get even better.

So, all in all, DONT BUY THE CLONES!!! Get the real thing. As I said before, you get what you pay for. And I can say that, having tried both.

[basketball]

I've been following this thread for a few weeks. Last weekend I purchased a CM4221 clone from Angel Electronics, in Mississauga. Great service from them, and I recommend them, especially with the small RFD discount. They told me that if I didn't like it, I could exchange it for the Channel Master.

I hooked up the clone, and found that it really wasn't too much better than the rabbit ears I have here at home! Kinda pathetic for an antenna that big. I decided I'd return it, and exchange it for the CM4221. I'm glad I'm did. The CM is a LOT better.

Not only am I getting more channels, but on some channels where I previously had 60-70% signal, I am now getting 85-90%, and it makes a big difference in the clarity of the channels.

The bottomline here is that you get what you pay for. There is a reason the clone is $20, and the CM is $50. Is the CM worth it at twice the price, you're asking? I say a big YES. Upon inspection, the CM build quality isn't that different from the clone, and they look pretty much identical, but build quality aside, for reception and signal which is what really matters, the CM pulls out ahead.

I'm not an expert at this by any means. I'm new to HD-OTA, and those are my findings. For those wondering my location. I'm in the 5th floor of a condo in Missisauga, facig the CN Tower. I pointed the antenna directly at the CN tower, and that is giving me the best reception. I'm sure that if I had it mounted on a roof I could get even better.

So, all in all, DONT BUY THE CLONES!!! Get the real thing. As I said before, you get what you pay for. And I can say that, having tried both.

Whoa, I don't knw about you, but I keep getting more and more surprised with the CLONE for $ 20 from Angel Electronics.

I am in a town house and have the antenna in the main floor (equivalent to the second floor ish) indoors near the window pointing SE

First night- got 7ish HD channels and 10 SD
Second day- Got all the important HD channels in Prettyha8 channel list (NBC, ABC, etc..) except E! HD

Thanks Prettyha8 for great info (help with pointing the antenna right) and advice to try the clone

so definitely try the clone!!

[najibs]

Whoa, I don't knw about you, but I keep getting more and more surprised with the CLONE for $ 20 from Angel Electronics.

I am in a town house and have the antenna in the main floor (equivalent to the second floor ish) indoors near the window pointing SE

First night- got 7ish HD channels and 10 SD
Second day- Got all the important HD channels in Prettyha8 channel list (NBC, ABC, etc..) except E! HD

Thanks Prettyha8 for great info (help with pointing the antenna right) and advice to try the clone

so definitely try the clone!!

That's like having slept with only one woman and saying she's the best chick you've ever had sex with.

The difference is that you've ONLY used the clone. I've used BOTH the clone, and the CM, and the CM is clearly better, hands down. Sure, the clone is an 'ok' antenna, but you get what you pay for. I bet if you use rabbit ears, you won't see a huge difference from the clone. Get yourself the CM and I bet you'll get more channels and better signal. Again, I have experience with BOTH the clone, and the real CM.

[basketball]

That's like having slept with only one woman and saying she's the best chick you've ever had sex with.

The difference is that you've ONLY used the clone. I've used BOTH the clone, and the CM, and the CM is clearly better, hands down. Sure, the clone is an 'ok' antenna, but you get what you pay for. I bet if you use rabbit ears, you won't see a huge difference from the clone. Get yourself the CM and I bet you'll get more channels and better signal. Again, I have experience with BOTH the clone, and the real CM.

I'm just trying to save RFD'ers some money, lol, actually I had rabbit ears for like 2yrs + and got only 4 HD (CBC, CBC french, CTV, OMNI 2).

I am not saying 4221 HD is the same as the clone, but the clone just might do it for you !! and 4221 HD is more than twice the price.

So trying the clone is well worth it, since you can return it for full refund (unless you live far from Angel Electronics)

I think I got lucky like OP and got bunch of HD channels, I'm Scarborough btw

[najibs]

I'm just trying to save RFD'ers some money, lol, actually I had rabbit ears for like 2yrs + and got only 4 HD (CBC, CBC french, CTV, OMNI 2).

I am not saying 4221 HD is the same as the clone, but the clone just might do it for you !! and 4221 HD is more than twice the price.

So trying the clone is well worth it, since you can return it for full refund (unless you live far from Angel Electronics)

I think I got lucky like OP and got bunch of HD channels, I'm Scarborough btw

It's $50 for the CM. It's not like you're breaking the bank. Especially those who are considering dropping their cable for OTA. Buy a good antenna. I'm not even 20 miles from the CN tower and the clone didn't do much better than the rabbit ears.

And no, Angel Electronics I don't think does refunds. They'll allow you to exchange for the CM4221 if you're unhappy with the clone, that's all. Again, if you want to penny pinch, then sure, get the clone, but dont expect to pick up all the stations, and dont expect to get a good signal on the ones you do pick up. You get what you pay for.

[basketball]

It's $50 for the CM. It's not like you're breaking the bank. Especially those who are considering dropping their cable for OTA. Buy a good antenna. I'm not even 20 miles from the CN tower and the clone didn't do much better than the rabbit ears.

And no, Angel Electronics I don't think does refunds. They'll allow you to exchange for the CM4221 if you're unhappy with the clone, that's all. Again, if you want to penny pinch, then sure, get the clone, but dont expect to pick up all the stations, and dont expect to get a good signal on the ones you do pick up. You get what you pay for.

haha, but I got all the channels ,lol, it all depends on your location as it is repeatedly stated in the thread

why spend $50 when you can get away with $20

So give the clone a try first, cuz 4221 can't be returned if you are just unhappy with it.

I'm pretty sure not all RFD members live next to your house najibs !

[najibs]

haha, but I got all the channels ,lol, it all depends on your location as it is repeatedly stated in the thread

why spend $50 when you can get away with $20


Gahhh. You just don't seem to get it. You have not tried both, therefore you do not know what you're missing, so therefore you cannot compare. I HAVE tried both, therefore I CAN give advice from real experience.

The clones are inferior products. PERIOD. I'm less than 20 miles away from the CN Tower, facing directly at it, on a 5th floor apartment. Both antennas according to their specs should handle that no problem. The clone does NOT. The signal is significantly weaker and it picks up less channels! Simple as that.

If you were to try a REAL CM, THEN come back and try to tell me that your clone did as good a job! Go for it! Stop trying to justify the inferior product as being an equal when you have not tried the real CM!

:twisted:

[jarko]

hey guys looking for stores near kennedy + ellesmere location in scarborough that have these for decent price, no car so the closer the better.. thx

[rinottawa]

Gahhh. You just don't seem to get it. You have not tried both, therefore you do not know what you're missing, so therefore you cannot compare. I HAVE tried both, therefore I CAN give advice from real experience.

The clones are inferior products. PERIOD. I'm less than 20 miles away from the CN Tower, facing directly at it, on a 5th floor apartment. Both antennas according to their specs should handle that no problem. The clone does NOT. The signal is significantly weaker and it picks up less channels! Simple as that.

If you were to try a REAL CM, THEN come back and try to tell me that your clone did as good a job! Go for it! Stop trying to justify the inferior product as being an equal when you have not tried the real CM!

:twisted:

It seems most likely that you got a bad copy (or defective) clone.

[basketball]

hey guys looking for stores near kennedy + ellesmere location in scarborough that have these for decent price, no car so the closer the better.. thx

I saw it at TechSource yesterday at Kennedy and Shropshire, I am not sure if it is the 100% legit or not. I think there's some way to check it (i have the clone, so didn't bother), you can also buy the 100ft RG 6 cable for $7 there. http://www.techsourcecanada.ca/html/flyer.html

I forgot the price of the 4221 HD, since I just glanced at it and then just moved on ( I was there for the RG 6 cable).

[najibs]

It seems most likely that you got a bad copy (or defective) clone.

Even more of a reason to get a CM antenna then, if the chance of getting a bad clone is higher :lol:

[markj]

for those in montreal...i was walking by this FTA Satellite shop on the corner of sherbrooke and decarie highway (on westmount side) and noticed they had clones...

just looked in the window but it looked like they had different sizes and saw a price of 39.99 on one...since im not quite ready to buy i didnt check it out further...

[nasatwoburn]

Even more of a reason to get a CM antenna then, if the chance of getting a bad clone is higher :lol:

wow talk about obsessed with CM. If he[and I] are getting just about every channel using clone, whats the point of buying CM? I'd rather spend extra $25 on another one to point it to Hamilton. We on red flags wants best bang for buck.

[dell11]

Just installed a CLONE, with a pre-amp outdoors today. With a small cable run, the signal is fantastic and am getting all buffalo and toronto stations (location Chinguacousy and Sandalwood, Brampton) during my test.

Once I finally ran the cable in the house, the run is about 150 ft and the signal degrades to zero. I put a old cable signal booster halfway along the run and it was able to get signal to the TV, but I can definitely tell there is signal drop-off as the strength wasn't as high as the small cable run test I did.

What is recommended to keep the signal strong all the way down the 150 ft cable run?

[cheap_guy]

dell11: Which clone, if you don't mind me asking?

[canadathink]

Just installed a CLONE, with a pre-amp outdoors today. With a small cable run, the signal is fantastic and am getting all buffalo and toronto stations (location Chinguacousy and Sandalwood, Brampton) during my test.

Once I finally ran the cable in the house, the run is about 150 ft and the signal degrades to zero. I put a old cable signal booster halfway along the run and it was able to get signal to the TV, but I can definitely tell there is signal drop-off as the strength wasn't as high as the small cable run test I did.

What is recommended to keep the signal strong all the way down the 150 ft cable run?

Channel Master 3410 ( it has the 15db gain and also will help the signal to be stronger for ur 150ft length)

or
Channel Master 3414 Multisiwtch (Distribution Amp)

Philips 12dB VHF/UHF/FM Amplifier (1-output)--cheaper is only 10 bucks

http://www.angelelectronics.ca/ota_over_the_air




http://www.angelelectronics.ca/ota_over_the_air

[dell11]

dell11: Which clone, if you don't mind me asking?

The Digiwave one from Angel Electronics (it's the 4221 clone). Works great, except for all my cable losses! :)

[dell11]

Channel Master 3410 ( it has the 15db gain and also will help the signal to be stronger for ur 150ft length)

or
Channel Master 3414 Multisiwtch (Distribution Amp)

Philips 12dB VHF/UHF/FM Amplifier (1-output)--cheaper is only 10 bucks

Is the Philips any good?

By the way, I'm using this as my pre-amp (1 foot from the antenna):

http://www.amazon.com/PCT-BI-DIRECTIONAL-AMPLIFIER-BOOSTER-PASSIVE/dp/B000F28DP2

Would getting a second one of these help half-way down the cable run?

[jiggles]

My apartment faces northeast in North York (bathurst/finch). If I get the 4221 antenna and mount it on my balcony, how many channels should I expect? would it be better to get an indoor antenna that faces south?

[tsatsa]

My apartment faces northeast in North York (bathurst/finch). If I get the 4221 antenna and mount it on my balcony, how many channels should I expect? would it be better to get an indoor antenna that faces south?

Faces northeast, sorry to tell you, you are out of luck.

[jarko]

Hey,

i got the digiwave clone, im in scarborough, apt building balcony facing the cn tower, 14th floor. I only get 11 channels, which 2 of them are french. I thought i would have got a better result but this is a bummer. Only good channels are citytv lol.

[angelelectronics]

Hey,

i got the digiwave clone, im in scarborough, apt building balcony facing the cn tower, 14th floor. I only get 11 channels, which 2 of them are french. I thought i would have got a better result but this is a bummer. Only good channels are citytv lol.

in toronto lot of people who lives above 10th floor and if they are facing south and towareds CN tower most of them are getting more then 50 channels . with cheaper $20 antenna.
it also depends how do u put the antenna in the Balcony make sure u clear the fence meaning put the antenna a little higher facing south. try use some tripod or mast .

.[/QUOTE] jiggles My apartment faces northeast in North York (bathurst/finch). If I get the 4221 antenna and mount it on my balcony, how many channels should I expect? would it be better to get an indoor antenna that faces south? .[/QUOTE]

do u have any building in front of u so then u can get the reflection ?

[redzone]

there are only 20 Digitals available in the GTA when you add up the US and Canadian channels. I guess if you count the analogue channels its closer to 35 . but no where near 50.

loock here for a good description

remotecentral.com/hdtv

[cmge]

Is the Philips any good?

By the way, I'm using this as my pre-amp (1 foot from the antenna):

http://www.amazon.com/PCT-BI-DIRECTIONAL-AMPLIFIER-BOOSTER-PASSIVE/dp/B000F28DP2

Would getting a second one of these help half-way down the cable run?

i would alos like to know this.. if the phillips is any good or comparable to CM3410 or CM3042

[canadathink]

Super noobie question but.. how do i know which way to point my antenna?

where do u live ?

[VanillaPep]

where do u live ?

Montreal.

I found this site: http://www.fcc.gov/mb/engineering/maps/

I got no results tho..

[ali123]

What channels can you get in Vancouver for digital? my current one can only pickup 3.

thank you

[mkc]

What channels can you get in Vancouver for digital? my current one can only pickup 3.

thank you

I am located in the Killarney area and by using a home made antenna illustrated by youtube, I can pick up 5 digital channels, CBC, Global, KVOS, Shopping channel and CTV. However, the signal is affected sometimes by the weather condition. If you are using a CM4221HD antenna, I thought you would able to pick up all those digital stations listed above plus some SD channels like ABC and NBC which is due to broadcast in HD signal later in June. Am I missing something as I'm also interested in getting a CM4221HD antenna.

[Flameangel]

there are only 20 Digitals available in the GTA when you add up the US and Canadian channels. I guess if you count the analogue channels its closer to 35 . but no where near 50.

loock here for a good description

remotecentral.com/hdtvYou're right Redzone it's less than 50 channels even if you count the duplicates both Analog and Digital.

[redzone]

i would alos like to know this.. if the phillips is any good or comparable to CM3410 or CM3042

don't waist your money on the philips or radio shack / source brand amplifiers . They have night noise numbers which = a worse outcome then the CM ones.

2 important factors on an amp are the amplification and the noise. if it puts out lots of noise then it doesn't matter how much it amplify's as it just sends a dirty signal. look for an amp that has under 4db of noise. If it doesn't state its noise figure assume it to be BAD!!

[yuprules]

@yuprules and cheap_guy

oh.. i thought it was on the mount-royal!

I live in the H3S area (cotes-des-neiges/jean-talon) so i guess i'm on the other side of the mountain. Urgh.. maybe they should cut off the mountain..

Maybe that explains why i don't get anything. But then, even if i get a CM4221/28, will it help getting signals throught the mountain?

Nope, but with a channel master 4228hd (which can be bought in Montreal) you may catch U.S. channels (such as NBC, CBS and maybe FOX).

To find where to point it, you can use the ruler tool in Google Earth (not maps) to draw a line from your house to (search for this) wcax mt mansfield

[VanillaPep]

Nope, but with a channel master 4228hd (which can be bought in Montreal) you may catch U.S. channels (such as NBC, CBS and maybe FOX).

To find where to point it, you can use the ruler tool in Google Earth (not maps) to draw a line from your house to (search for this:) wcax mt mansfield

How high should i put the antenna?

I've just build a coat hanger anteanna yesterday to test. I live on the 3rd floor and put it on the balcony. There's some buildings that are higher than mine in the direction it's pointing. Do i have to put this like very high on the rooftop (are we allowed to do this, i don't own the building?) and try to get a clear view?

(I got 0 channel at the moment :))

How high are you antenna placed??

[gohtor]

What channels can you get in Vancouver for digital? my current one can only pickup 3.

thank you

you're in richmond, u should be able to get the cbc global ctv. and if you point south you might get some usa ota

[yuprules]

How high should i put the antenna?

I've just build a coat hanger anteanna yesterday to test. I live on the 3rd floor and put it on the balcony. There's some buildings that are higher than mine in the direction it's pointing. Do i have to put this like very high on the rooftop (are we allowed to do this, i don't own the building?) and try to get a clear view?

(I got 0 channel at the moment :))

How high are you antenna placed??

3rd floor is good in Montreal, however if you've used the ruler tool to draw a line between your house and the Mount Mansfield and the LINE GOES THROUGH a building that is taller than you, you may not be able to get anything.

Your antenna could also be badly built...but that's another story. Does the line in Google earth go through a building that is taller than yours that is near by?

[VanillaPep]

3rd floor is good in Montreal, however if you've used the ruler tool to draw a line between your house and the Mount Mansfield and the LINE GOES THROUGH a building that is taller than you, you may not be able to get anything.

Your antenna could also be badly built...but that's another story. Does the line in Google earth go through a building that is taller than yours that is near by?

I will check with Google Earth once i get home. But, the thing is, no matter where i point it, since i'm on the balcony, any building will obstruct it.. I need to get to the rooftop i guess?

Btw, for the do it yourself antenna, do i need to clean up the coat hanger? I mean, using a sand paper all over the hanger or just some key area?

The paint on my hanger are still there..

[cheap_guy]

How high should i put the antenna?

I've just build a coat hanger anteanna yesterday to test. I live on the 3rd floor and put it on the balcony. There's some buildings that are higher than mine in the direction it's pointing. Do i have to put this like very high on the rooftop (are we allowed to do this, i don't own the building?) and try to get a clear view?

(I got 0 channel at the moment :))

How high are you antenna placed??

Hi, I built a coathanger antenna and it SUCKED... I mean really sucked. Couldn't get anything from Vermont. I had previously built a 4 bay DIY with solid core stripped 10 AWG copper wire and it was much better. Same position and everything. Using an addison amp, CBC is 8-9 bars with my copper one, and 3-4 bars with the coat hanger one.

It depends on where you live, but the best advice I can give you is try to capture another HD channel (SRC/CBC/TQ), but you have to know if you can see the transmitters. Then by checking the signal meter, you should be able to see how much gain your antenna is giving you.

For unobstructed people. SRC/CBC is very strong, TQ is quite strong, TQS is pretty weak. Another option would be to point your antenna to the 57.1 transmitter near plattsburgh, it might not be obstructed for you. Google earth is your friend here to see where to point. (I get CBS/NBC/PBS through a building in pt st charles from the second floor.)

[vint]

Hi, I built a coathanger antenna and it SUCKED... I mean really sucked. Couldn't get anything from Vermont. I had previously built a 4 bay DIY with solid core stripped 10 AWG copper wire and it was much better. Same position and everything. Using an addison amp, CBC is 8-9 bars with my copper one, and 3-4 bars with the coat hanger one.

It depends on where you live, but the best advice I can give you is try to capture another HD channel (SRC/CBC/TQ), but you have to know if you can see the transmitters. Then by checking the signal meter, you should be able to see how much gain your antenna is giving you.

For unobstructed people. SRC/CBC is very strong, TQ is quite strong, TQS is pretty weak. Another option would be to point your antenna to the 57.1 transmitter near plattsburgh, it might not be obstructed for you. Google earth is your friend here to see where to point. (I get CBS/NBC/PBS through a building in pt st charles from the second floor.)

I guess there are many factors that could affect the quality. I build mine with speaker wire and used a balun from rabbit years I had bought previously. My coat hanger antenna does a wonderful job. I'm getting around 17 digital channels now. I could probably squeeze a few more by playing around with it but why bother, it's not like I'm watching it anyway.

[yuprules]

I will check with Google Earth once i get home. But, the thing is, no matter where i point it, since i'm on the balcony, any building will obstruct it.. I need to get to the rooftop i guess?

Btw, for the do it yourself antenna, do i need to clean up the coat hanger? I mean, using a sand paper all over the hanger or just some key area?

The paint on my hanger are still there..

If there are buildings all around you that are taller, yes you need to go to the roof and clear the surrounding buildings. But before you try that, there should be NO paint where each coat hanger is connected, it helps with the connection. Of course, know where to point for U.S. channels first.

[jarko]

so 4221 or 4228 to get more channels if your in toronto

[cheap_guy]

I ordered an ANT 2084 from Xpresscanada. $24+ 5.99 shipping. 31.49 tax in to my door with fedex overnight (ordered Saturday night, arrived this morning). Best price I could find for a 4-bay to Montreal - everyone else charges way too much for shipping.

I'll let you guys know how it performs compared to my DIY.

[cheap_guy]

so 4221 or 4228 to get more channels if your in toronto

Depends where you live. Its possible that with the narrower beam you'll be able to get Buffalo channels OR Toronto channels with the 4228, but not both at the same time. In a single direction, the 4228 should be able to pull in weaker signals.

[prettyha8]

we are not about price if it costs us $5 more to do business the way we do it then we will not take shortcuts!

Hi Mr Saveandreplay just curious, but I see on your website you now have combo deals (http://www.saveandreplay.com/ordernow.asp?Product=10448) where if you buy 2 CM4221HDs you save $10 dollars. Does this price apply for walk-in customers? Or will they have to pay a walk-in tax?

[plugdat]

Hi Mr Saveandreplay just curious, but I see on your website you now have combo deals (http://www.saveandreplay.com/ordernow.asp?Product=10448) where if you buy 2 CM4221HDs you save $10 dollars. Does this price apply for walk-in customers? Or will they have to pay a walk-in tax?

is the $10 savings on top of the $5 for RFD savings we're supposed to get?

[slowtyper]

Hey guys, I just bought an HDTV and am looking to set up an antenna in Toronto (east york). This thread is unfortunately too unweidly....can someone point me to a page/post that gives a summary of the best antennas available?

[najibs]

can someone point me to a page/post that gives a summary of the best antennas available?

Maybe have a look at the title of this thread? ;)

[slowtyper]

Maybe have a look at the title of this thread? ;)

Yes I read a couple pages that said others are cheaper...then a few pages of debate on it...then some mention of a RFD special but I couldn't find where it was.

[cmge]

Yes I read a couple pages that said others are cheaper...then a few pages of debate on it...then some mention of a RFD special but I couldn't find where it was.

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=97121

enjoy

[prettyha8]

Yes I read a couple pages that said others are cheaper...then a few pages of debate on it...then some mention of a RFD special but I couldn't find where it was.

There are a lot of good helpful diagrams and links to online-tools about aiming and grounding your antenna near start of this thread. You will also find a section about CM4221HD vs. clones vs. other CM antennas. Some people have posted their channel lineup results to help you decide which antenna to go with.

[cmag]

Look who's in the news:

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/640344

I love the responses to OTA from Bell and Rogers. Classic.

[zoolander]

There was a small story about OTA HD on the front page The Hamilton Spectator today too.
http://www.thespec.com/article/572045

[trini]

Any B&M store downtown Toronto thats sells the 4221HD?
Does anyone own one that lives in a condo in the downtown area?
Thanks.

[cmge]

Any B&M store downtown Toronto thats sells the 4221HD?
i think fortune computer, canada computers and techdirect carry them by college and spadina...

i saw it advertised on their window when i walked by a few weeks back

[Jonavin]

Look who's in the news:

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/640344

I love the responses to OTA from Bell and Rogers. Classic.

It's obvious they are under-estimating the growth in OTA or just under-playing it. Many people are shutting off their cable completely. The main difference between older OTA and digital OTA is that the signal is signal quality is significantly better.

For specialty programming, more and more people are going to alternative choices such as Free To Air satellite and the Internet (YouTube, iTubes, Hulu, etc...) for their entertainment.

So, many people are shutting off their Rogers/Bell TV subscriptions. Sure that's a small percentage overall, but many more like myself is reluctant to pay extra ($2.99 for digital + HD box costs) for HD channels when we get better quality OTA for free. So there's going to be a hit on their revenue stream, and delays the revenue growth they are expecting from the move to HD.

[prettyha8]

we are not about price if it costs us $5 more to do business the way we do it then we will not take shortcuts!

:arrowu::arrowu::arrowu: bumb

Hi Mr Saveandreplay, I see on your website you now have combo deals (http://www.saveandreplay.com/ordernow.asp?Product=10448) where if you buy 2 CM4221HDs you save $10 dollars. Does this price apply for walk-in customers? Or will they have to pay the additional $10 dollars? Just curious.

[Leo168]

Just finished installing a clone outdoors with a long cable run. Funny thing is, I get the same channel count as I was getting indoors with a 6ft RG6 indoors. The only difference is now channels 26.1 and 26.2 are more stable. I have yet to start pointing the antenna for fine-tuning, but from the current setup I can get 25 digital channels, 23 with 100% signal strength.

This was my indoor setup:
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8391956&postcount=169

Here is my outdoor setup: (I ran the cable for the OTA via the attic to minimize my cable run.)
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2949/13716475.png

I will post my outdoor reception results and channel listings after I tweak this thing a bit.

Where did you get the chimney mount?
Thanks

[Inno]

I have a 10 year old Phillips 27" CRT TV, currently hooked up to HellExpressVu.

Obviously this is analog not digital. Would the CM 4221 setup give me better reception than Hell? I understand that I would be giving up the 800-channel universe so would want some compensating benefit, in addition to the $60 per month saving of course.

Sorry I am not in the HD world yet...

[prettyha8]

Where did you get the chimney mount?
Thanks

The chimney mount I am using is called a 90-degree "J-arm". It's pretty standard for mounting any satellite dish to something; such as a brick wall, brick chimney, or wooden patio railings. I wouldn't spend more then $5~7 bux on a new arm. The electronic stores at Dixie/Matheson have bins of mounts in different sizes and angles. I think you can buy them bulk by the pound there. :cheesygri The store located at the Ambler drive entrance of the plaza has the bins. They have even more bins if they let you in the back. Sorry, I do not recall the name of the store.

Also, you can use the bungee stlye chimey mount. This will allow you to mount the antenna without making holes in your house. This will run you $10 bux. I know firechkn posted some pics of his setup which use these chimney clamps.

[yao416]

lol @ todays thestar

[Inno]

lol @ todays thestar

Yup, our man got some great free publicity!!

[nedjel]

Where can I pick one up in the Vancouver area ?

[the1]

For people who looking to get an antenna, and stop paying for cable.
I just picked up 2 CM 4221HD antenna and a few other stuff for the my insatllation from http://www.sensuz.com/estore/catalog/.
I find the site very easy to deal with and the person I email to was very helpful. I can't believe the the amount of channels and the quality of the video I am getting from this antenna. I High recommend this antenna!

[SENSEI]

Wow, thanks for all that legal..

I visited the guy at SaveAndReplay.com (http://www.saveandreplay.com/) and he is Super nice. He is located right at 401/Dixie, beside the Panasonic building.

I think spending the extra $5 bux to buy the 4221HD from this guy in person (so you can ask all your questions and feel more confident about warranty and returns) might be better then buying from Sensuz where they make you pay to pick-up from the UPS store.

Just saying,...

Part of the reason I went with Sensuz was because they actually allow returns (even though it's with a re-stocking fee). The same cannot be said with Save and Replay...on their site it says all sales FINAL.

A couple of my friends have even "rented" a trial antenna from Sensuz. If you decide to buy the antenna, the rental fee gets applied to a new boxed antenna. Has to be picked up and returned from their warehouse/office near Woodbine and 16th. It's not on the website, but was offered through email correspondence.

They dealt with some guy named Marcus. I think it was just credit card deposit they required. Not sure.

With this whole OTA thing picking up, a trial service is just the thing we need to make sure we are getting our monies worth.

[paaji]

As per the star article, Digitalhome guy said that he is getting 14 HD channels in Delta BC. Can someone confirm this? Cause I am getting only 4 HD channels :(


Jon LeBlanc is the moderator of digitalhome.ca, a popular discussion board about the airwaves. He says that, in the five years the forum has been open, he has seen a "huge increase" in interest from people asking questions about how to take advantage of the free HD signals. The Delta, B.C., resident gets 14 HD channels using an antenna and contends the over-the-air signals he gets are superior in sound and picture to compressed HD signals from cable and satellite providers.

[prettyha8]

As per the star article, Digitalhome guy said that he is getting 14 HD channels in Delta BC. Can someone confirm this? Cause I am getting only 4 HD channels :(

Here is another article about the DHC guy and his Vancouver reception results:
http://money.canoe.ca/News/TopPhoto/2009/05/25/9574371-cp.html

[trini]

Whats the dimensions of the 4221?
I plan on picking one up tomorrow if i can find it downtown.
Thanks.

[Hugh]

lol @ todays thestar

http://www.thestar.com/article/640344

[ephemera]

Whats the dimensions of the 4221?
I plan on picking one up tomorrow if i can find it downtown.
Thanks.

aprox 2 feet x 3 feet

[trini]

Thanks.
I looked all of spadina for this but they only had some Electronic master that i dont think i want to chance and the digiwave for about 25.00 which looks ok.
Does anyone have an extra 4221Hd downtown they want to sell?
I will eventually need 2 of them but 1 for now is fine.
The search continues.

[Inno]

So no one sells this in the city? I have to drive out the Mississauga or whatever?

[angelelectronics]

Thanks.
I looked all of spadina for this but they only had some Electronic master that i dont think i want to chance and the digiwave for about 25.00 which looks ok.
Does anyone have an extra 4221Hd downtown they want to sell?
I will eventually need 2 of them but 1 for now is fine.
The search continues.

u can use the digiwave 2084 its as good as channel master. :D

[bonzo]

what company offers the cheapest price and shipping to Windsor...I signed up for an account on Sensuz and it would be $14.41 for shipping.

[hyperion]

Built a quick DIY one and got about 5-6 channels in Kitchener, didn't spend much time messing around with it yet. I'm going to build a more intricate one and go for 10-15 channels. Living on the 8th floor should help. :D

[cheap_guy]

u can use the digiwave 2084 its as good as channel master. :D

OOh... some people on digitalhome will beg to differ.

In case anyone is wondering (bonzo), xpresscanada has the cheapest shipping. But, they don't carry the CM4221. 24+5.99 shipping for the digiwave 2084 clone. If you decide to go with the antenna direct DB4, you have additional options (PM at NCIX), but the cost might be more.

[hightech]

I have not been following the entire 724+ comments on this thread here, but I am interested in getting this hooked up at my home.

Could someone please let me know what it is I would need to do a proper job on hooking one of these things up. I would like to know:

- best model for antenna and pricing
- best model for amp and pricing
- what wiring to use
- who can install this for me professionally and properly and not cause a lot of issues damaging brick, etc. What would the labour cost?
- What is the total cost of getting all this done?

I am not a handy person so getting it installed correctly is key for me.

Any assistance would be appreciated.

Thanks

[trini]

I plan on putting this on my balcony downtown on the 7th floor the cn tower is just north west of me and the run is only about 10feet at most.
Apart from the antenna and co ax cable wha sort of ground should i use or can i run a ground wire from the antenna to my steel railing.
Anything else.
Thanks for the help.
I'm still on the hunt.....

[spinbot]

What kind of distance do the HDTV signals travel? I live about 150-200km East of Toronto, down the 401, and wonder if it's worth even trying.

For give me if this has been asked, but with over 700 posts, I didn't get through them all :)

[night blade]

What kind of distance do the HDTV signals travel? I live about 150-200km East of Toronto, down the 401, and wonder if it's worth even trying.

For give me if this has been asked, but with over 700 posts, I didn't get through them all :)

The 4221HD will pull in up to 150km on a good day if your lucky, you'd require a 4228HD for that distance. You should be able to get Rochester pretty easily with a homemade DB4, so IMO a 4228HD facing west towards TO & a homemade DB4 facing south for some US channels.

[spinbot]

Thanks for the info.

I work with wireless internet technology , so the recommend antenna sounds much like a "yagi" ( high power antenna, tighter beam ) we use for clients with excess tree growth/interference.

[redzone]

Yagi's can be used for deep fringe and work well when VHF frequencys are needed . but in the GTA all the Digitals are UHF which means theres quite a bit of bandwidth wasted going with the large Yagis ( not to mention the fact taht there 6 ft long lol)

the CM4221/4228 are made for UHF only and work very well and can surpass Yagi's over the new UHF spectrum.

plus they are cheaper and use less space . lol

[zorbo]

Yagi's can be used for deep fringe and work well when VHF frequencys are needed . but in the GTA all the Digitals are UHF which means theres quite a bit of bandwidth wasted going with the large Yagis ( not to mention the fact taht there 6 ft long lol)

the CM4221/4228 are made for UHF only and work very well and can surpass Yagi's over the new UHF spectrum.

plus they are cheaper and use less space . lol

There are UHF Yagis as well that are alot smaller. A Yagi is just a type of antenna.
You are correct though the CM4221/4228 are UHF only. That will do for most stations in the Toronto area. Only CTV will be moving back to VHF in 2012.

[prettyha8]

Built a quick DIY one and got about 5-6 channels in Kitchener, didn't spend much time messing around with it yet. I'm going to build a more intricate one and go for 10-15 channels. Living on the 8th floor should help. :D

If you are handy with tools, try building this Antenna: http://www.digitalhome.ca/ota/superantenna/

The above link is not the best, but there is a lot more information about the SBGH antenna in the DHC threads.



Could someone please let me know what it is I would need to do a proper job on hooking one of these things up. I would like to know:

- best model for antenna and pricing
- best model for amp and pricing
- what wiring to use


Try this FAQ: http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=41102
Also try: http://www.hdtvprimer.com/

If you have any questions, feel free to ask.


What kind of distance do the HDTV signals travel? I live about 150-200km East of Toronto, down the 401, and wonder if it's worth even trying.


If it's American channels you want, take a look at this visual from post 566 (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8635059&postcount=566) to get an idea:

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3075/88857015.png

The three Green dots represent NBC, CBS and ABC. Take a look at post 270 (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8444796&postcount=270) for more info.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5486/69436282.png

[da335]

what company offers the cheapest price and shipping to Windsor...I signed up for an account on Sensuz and it would be $14.41 for shipping.

Try this store, http://www.realtimefurniture.ca/4221hd-antenna-p-661.html

[alander]

Hey Spinbot. Check out the www.tvfool.com and try their interactive DTV signal location tools "Check your address for free TV" or "Check which stations you can get". On the next page all you need to do is to enter the postal code (in the ZIP field). This page will show you what stations (both analog and digital) you will be able to catch in your neighborhood (both right now and after the June the 12th digital transition in the US). I find this web site extremely useful. It can show you lines coming from your location towards the transmitter towers which can be easily used for aiming your antenna. Good luck.

[bonzo]

Try this store, http://www.realtimefurniture.ca/4221hd-antenna-p-661.html

Has anyone ordered from these guys, are they reputable?

[dell11]

I'm using a ANT-2084 (4221 clone) in Brampton w/ PCT pre-amp (13db).

I have the antenna mounted on the wall underneath the eavetrough outdoors pointing in between Buffalo and the CN Tower.

I am getting 4-1 and 7-1 most of the time, but they can get pixelated. Pixelization all the time on 41-1.

29-1 and 29-2 come on only 5% of the time.

My question is, do I have too much gain coming in? Will I need an attenuator to fix the pixelization? I ask this because I had to introduce a splitter (i.e. losses) to receive 9-1, otherwise, without the splitter, I got nothing on 9-1.

[cheap_guy]

I'm using a ANT-2084 (4221 clone) in Brampton w/ PCT pre-amp (13db).

I have the antenna mounted on the wall underneath the eavetrough outdoors pointing in between Buffalo and the CN Tower.

I am getting 4-1 and 7-1 most of the time, but they can get pixelated. Pixelization all the time on 41-1.

29-1 and 29-2 come on only 5% of the time.

My question is, do I have too much gain coming in? Will I need an attenuator to fix the pixelization? I ask this because I had to introduce a splitter (i.e. losses) to receive 9-1, otherwise, without the splitter, I got nothing on 9-1.

I don't think so. What is the signal strength?

The easiest way to check is to remove the amp, if the signal is worse, than 13 dB isn't enough to overload your tuner.

Another possibility is that you might be amplifying noise.

[angelelectronics]

[QUOTE=dell11;8864305]I'm using a ANT-2084 (4221 clone) in Brampton w/ PCT pre-amp (13db).

i believe u r not using the pre amp , what i think u r using the distribution amplifier. remove that
make sure u dont have any Joints on the cable.
and put ur antenna as far as from ur wall of the house.

[dell11]

[QUOTE=dell11;8864305]I'm using a ANT-2084 (4221 clone) in Brampton w/ PCT pre-amp (13db).

i believe u r not using the pre amp , what i think u r using the distribution amplifier. remove that
make sure u dont have any Joints on the cable.
and put ur antenna as far as from ur wall of the house.

You are right, I am using the distribution amp as my "pre-amp". I have approx 150 ft of cable, so if I don't use the distribution amp, I get nothing at the end of the cable run. Any other ideas?

[nonspinkick]

so if you're not sure what antenna would work in your house, it'd be better to stay away from this store. just so you know...




Wow, thanks for all that legal..

I visited the guy at SaveAndReplay.com (http://www.saveandreplay.com/) and he is Super nice. He is located right at 401/Dixie, beside the Panasonic building.

I think spending the extra $5 bux to buy the 4221HD from this guy in person (so you can ask all your questions and feel more confident about warranty and returns) might be better then buying from Sensuz where they make you pay to pick-up from the UPS store.

Just saying,...

[bonzo]

Try this store, http://www.realtimefurniture.ca/4221hd-antenna-p-661.html

Sorry to bring this up again, but is this store reputable? has anyone purchased from them?

[waltz777]

Yup, I've bought a couple of things from them!

Real nice guys - willing to accomodate and cheap prices as well!

[Inno]

A few places seem to have these 4221s. Are there any in the city of Toronto, or all out in the hinterland?

Trying to save myself some driving/gas.

[ileizero]

Hi guys, I just bought one (4 bay antenna) from TECHDIRECT for $19.99

Here is the link:

http://campaign.constantcontact.com/render?v=001lgyacPvT2nJrrLpE5kY_7qtOVZMtHtQCzyjRQY rYhfMBqOCk6GFNhb9V_s2ZgbZphwAX5487xlJLAbgTOsoHZQ_v z1ndmmSfoJJqlT4g7Jg%3D


Works very well, my co-worker gets 23 HD channels downtown. Not sure how it compares to the CM brand but it gets the job done for $20.:cheesygri

[teoconca]

so if you're not sure what antenna would work in your house, it'd be better to stay away from this store. just so you know...
You are the 1st to complain about S&R. I heard otherwise. Also this is your 1st post. What is a coincident? Hummm...

[bose]

Hi guys, I just bought one (4 bay antenna) from TECHDIRECT for $19.99

Here is the link:

http://campaign.constantcontact.com/render?v=001lgyacPvT2nJrrLpE5kY_7qtOVZMtHtQCzyjRQY rYhfMBqOCk6GFNhb9V_s2ZgbZphwAX5487xlJLAbgTOsoHZQ_v z1ndmmSfoJJqlT4g7Jg%3D


Works very well, my co-worker gets 23 HD channels downtown. Not sure how it compares to the CM brand but it gets the job done for $20.:cheesygri

I got one. Thanks. Pretty good quality for $20.:cheesygri

[ephemera]

so if you're not sure what antenna would work in your house, it'd be better to stay away from this store. just so you know...

the dude at save&replay offers great advice and doesn't pressure you into buying anything you don't need.

[Netcruzer]

Hi All
I'm using a digiwave ANT-2084 (CM clone) outside of Ottawa (Bourget).

I've installed it on my a lower roof with a 5 foot conduit pole and guywire setup.

I'm getting 5 digital HD
4.1 CBC
9.1 French
20.1 SUN TV
20.2 SUN TV
66.1 OMNI HD

66.1 is the weakest, but Price is Right in HD is sweet! haha.

I also get the following analog
4, 8, 9, 11, 13, 14, 24, 30, 32, 34, 40, 43, and 65.
channels 8 and 13 are very weak, and they are my local CTV news stations.

The question is, would buying a pre-amp like a CM 7777 help in pulling in a better analog picture on 8 and 13, as well as pull in a stronger digital signal on 66.1?

I'm happy with what I get now, but the CM 7777 is pricey. I don't want to spend $100 and find out it didn't help much. Also, since I went with a clone for the antenna, is there a decent clone pre-amp out there that would get my signal a bit better?

Let me know.
Also, anyone outside of Ottawa get any channels I don't?

[angelelectronics]

Hi All
I'm using a digiwave ANT-2084 (CM clone) outside of Ottawa (Bourget).

I've installed it on my a lower roof with a 5 foot conduit pole and guywire setup.

I'm getting 5 digital HD
4.1 CBC
9.1 French
20.1 SUN TV
20.2 SUN TV
66.1 OMNI HD

66.1 is the weakest, but Price is Right in HD is sweet! haha.

I also get the following analog
4, 8, 9, 11, 13, 14, 24, 30, 32, 34, 40, 43, and 65.
channels 8 and 13 are very weak, and they are my local CTV news stations.

The question is, would buying a pre-amp like a CM 7777 help in pulling in a better analog picture on 8 and 13, as well as pull in a stronger digital signal on 66.1?

I'm happy with what I get now, but the CM 7777 is pricey. I don't want to spend $100 and find out it didn't help much. Also, since I went with a clone for the antenna, is there a decent clone pre-amp out there that would get my signal a bit better?

Let me know.
Also, anyone outside of Ottawa get any channels I don't?

i think as far as ottawa u r almost getting every thing just make sure u dont have any joints in the cable.
to amp the signal just buy and phillips amp which normaly cost $10
thanks

[ClubberLang]

I am currently using a channel master 4221HD from the patio of my ground floor appartment. My patio is above the parking garage, so I have a slight elavation, but not much (maybe 20 ft above the ground). My main problem is that my southern view is obstructed by another appartment building . There is a small space in between that gives a clear path but I really am not high enough to take advantage. Would a 4228 give me better results? I am able to get all toronto stations, but I get very faint analogue signals for Buffallo and nothing at all in HD. I am in downtown Toronto and really want to get Buffallo...

[angelelectronics]

I am currently using a channel master 4221HD from the patio of my ground floor appartment. My patio is above the parking garage, so I have a slight elavation, but not much (maybe 20 ft above the ground). My main problem is that my southern view is obstructed by another appartment building . There is a small space in between that gives a clear path but I really am not high enough to take advantage. Would a 4228 give me better results? I am able to get all toronto stations, but I get very faint analogue signals for Buffallo and nothing at all in HD. I am in downtown Toronto and really want to get Buffallo...

how high is the apartment building which is blocking the south.
what i can suggest is if u can get any reflection from anyother building close by.

[VanillaPep]

Hi,

For coat hangers antenna, is there a difference between the bronze ones, and the metallic/silver ones?

Can i mix them? Thanks :)

[George K]

use the bronze ones. it is a better conductor, does not rust and are a bit thicker. also make sure you clean the clear-coat/paint from the wire at the points of contact with the rails/washers in the middle

[prettyha8]

Just a quick note if you live close to the US/Canadian border. Happy DTV day everybody. :D


http://www.dtv.gov/imagesnew/bg_intro_6_9.jpg (http://www.dtv.gov/)

[ephemera]

Just a quick note if you live close to the US/Canadian border. Happy DTV day everybody. :D


http://www.dtv.gov/imagesnew/bg_intro_6_9.jpg (http://www.dtv.gov/)

Really? Time to rescan.

My media center pics up wjxp (I think) channel 51-1 signal at full strength but when I try to view it, it says no signal. I wonder if they are moving frequencies around.

Does ANYONE get 67-1? They seem to play old movies from the 70's and early 80's, but i cannot get that either.

[sLAsh]

OOS in Mississauga


Hi guys, I just bought one (4 bay antenna) from TECHDIRECT for $19.99

Here is the link:

http://campaign.constantcontact.com/render?v=001lgyacPvT2nJrrLpE5kY_7qtOVZMtHtQCzyjRQY rYhfMBqOCk6GFNhb9V_s2ZgbZphwAX5487xlJLAbgTOsoHZQ_v z1ndmmSfoJJqlT4g7Jg%3D


Works very well, my co-worker gets 23 HD channels downtown. Not sure how it compares to the CM brand but it gets the job done for $20.:cheesygri

[Tibbs]

when I look at www.antennamap.com I see that there are many analog only towers (lots in ontario for next year) but a few more in buffalo area.

Does this mean that these other towers in US must send out digital signals after today? Are they changing them over.

[dtrader69]

techdirect is also selling 4 bay channel master for 49.99...dont know the model name...

http://www.techsourcecanada.ca/html/flyer.html

[ClubberLang]

Can anyone confirm if the Digital Switch over in the US will make any new channels available? Will it make any channels easier to get?

[dtrader69]

Can anyone confirm if the Digital Switch over in the US will make any new channels available? Will it make any channels easier to get?

new channels, most likely as digital signals are stronger than analog...which also means easier to pick up....

[trini]

I bought the last set of digiwave from Tech direct for some co workers and tried one at home, just placed it on the floor in my room and i was shocked to see the results.
If the channelmaster is indeed superior now i really can't wait to get my hands on one.
Thanks OP and the rest who contributed.

[radeonboy]

Im gonna rescan tommorrow since I think they should switch during the night.
Hopefully we get more channels:)

[ClubberLang]

OK. I now get MYTV Buffallo in SD and HD. Lets hope the switchover allows me to get some more.

[boumbo]

for the first time ever, i am now getting 49.1... wohoooo...

thats was the only channel i never got in HD...


but no omni and 29.1 right now for me... wtf..

[night blade]

Getting 5 new channels after rescan, total is now 25, not bad.

New ones are 2.3, 51.1, 51.2, 51.3, 51.4

51 channels is ION, anyone heard of ION before?

[angelelectronics]

Getting 5 new channels after rescan, total is now 25, not bad.

New ones are 2.3, 51.1, 51.2, 51.3, 51.4

51 channels is ION, anyone heard of ION before?

do u live in apartment building or in a house ?

[night blade]

do u live in apartment building or in a house ?

House, Scarborough Bluffs area, setup is chimley 4221HD pointing west towards CN Tower + homemade DB4 pointing south to Buffalo.

[angelelectronics]

House, Scarborough Bluffs area, setup is chimley 4221HD pointing west towards CN Tower + homemade DB4 pointing south to Buffalo.

have u tried the antenna in the center of the Buff and CN Tower ?
i believe 4221HD or any antenna should give u the maximum channels from both sides,
u r not far from the CN Tower try to redirect the antenna between south west instead of west

cheers

[melvin905]

where can i get this antenna? How do i install it?

[ephemera]

Getting 5 new channels after rescan, total is now 25, not bad.

New ones are 2.3, 51.1, 51.2, 51.3, 51.4

51 channels is ION, anyone heard of ION before?

Yeah I am getting those now too. yay!

[iwells]

Currently live in central Mississauga using a 4228 and getting a majority of channels ... get occational weak signal on some US/Cdn stations.

Now moving to central Oakville, think I would reaquire two 4228s? One for CDN other for US. Just want to max signal on both providers.

Tired of wife asking why CBS drops signals :lol:

[ericchops]

Anyone in the milton area have the CM 4221. If so, how many hd channels are u able to get? I can only seem to get like 9. All canadian, no american channels.

[night blade]

have u tried the antenna in the center of the Buff and CN Tower ?
i believe 4221HD or any antenna should give u the maximum channels from both sides,
u r not far from the CN Tower try to redirect the antenna between south west instead of west

cheers

Yes, first thing I tried was SW, but no go, would lose out on a few channels here and there, 2 of them work much better.

[vistaway]

Anyone in the milton area have the CM 4221. If so, how many hd channels are u able to get? I can only seem to get like 9. All canadian, no american channels.

Check out this site for Milton results: http://www.hawthornevillager.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=14374

[angelelectronics]

Yes, first thing I tried was SW, but no go, would lose out on a few channels here and there, 2 of them work much better.

how long is the cable (RG6) r u using ?

[markj]

has anyone found one of these or similar in montreal?

[NoSoul]

I live in Scarborough and tried cheap Phillips 30 dollar antenna indoors, but was only able to pick up 3 - 4 channels.

Angel electronics, you have a good 10 - 15 channel list, is there any indoor antenna capable of picking up channels such as Fox 29, City TV, Global?

The antenna will be facing a big window in the living room if that makes any difference.

[brucedlx]

This antenna OTA stuff is nothing but a headache. I'm usually a good d-i-y kinda person especially when it comes to home entertainment and computers, but every time I read about free OTA and antennas, I get nothing but crap. I've filtered through it so times, bought an indoor antenna and got one crap channel (A-channel in london).

Some people swear by the home-made youtube coat-hanger antenna for HDTV. What a joke, made that eye-sore, got the same crappy static-ridden A-Channel I did with the cheap indoor antenna. I'd be more than happy to invest in a proper antenna but not before I know what I'm doing. I've checked digital home forums, nothing but crap. I do not want a PhD in this I just want to know a step by step guide. But they insist on you learning every last detail before you (heaven forbid) ask a question. There's so much crap I don't even know what end to hook up to where. At least the youtube guide was simple enough to follow even if it produced next to no results.

I'm starting to think my house in london is just in a bad location for picking up signals.

[radeonboy]

I live in Scarborough and tried cheap Phillips 30 dollar antenna indoors, but was only able to pick up 3 - 4 channels.

Angel electronics, you have a good 10 - 15 channel list, is there any indoor antenna capable of picking up channels such as Fox 29, City TV, Global?

The antenna will be facing a big window in the living room if that makes any difference.

which direction is your window facing? you need to face south to pick up USA channels

[night blade]

how long is the cable (RG6) r u using ?

Mix of 2 x 6 feet going to a joiner + 50 feet run to old Shaw cable about 7 feet. So about 63' total ;), still no need for a pre-amp.

[ephemera]

Currently live in central Mississauga using a 4228 and getting a majority of channels ... get occational weak signal on some US/Cdn stations.

Now moving to central Oakville, think I would reaquire two 4228s? One for CDN other for US. Just want to max signal on both providers.

Tired of wife asking why CBS drops signals :lol:

I am near oakville and have a cm4221 that I sorta of point between buffalo and the cn tower. I get most stations. Still trying to find a sweet spot.

[ephemera]

Finally bought a ladder and took down the old bell expressvu dish. When you cancel their service, its up to the customer to take that thing down.
Anyhow, I took down the dish and left up the j-pole mount thing and put up my cm4221. Now I get almost ALL channels perfectly without dropouts and its about 2 feet lower than where it was inside a room pointed out a window.

I lost citytv and that new ION group of channels but thats only a matter of tweaking anyhow. Meaning turning the antenna slightly, going down the latter, running up to the room and doing another scan, wash rinse repeat.
The Bell guy had run rg6 cabling all over the outside, going into basically each room, so that will be my next project.

[underpants]

Finally bought a ladder and took down the old bell expressvu dish. When you cancel their service, its up to the customer to take that thing down.
Anyhow, I took down the dish and left up the j-pole mount thing and put up my cm4221. Now I get almost ALL channels perfectly without dropouts and its about 2 feet lower than where it was inside a room pointed out a window.

I lost citytv and that new ION group of channels but thats only a matter of tweaking anyhow. Meaning turning the antenna slightly, going down the latter, running up to the room and doing another scan, wash rinse repeat.
The Bell guy had run rg6 cabling all over the outside, going into basically each room, so that will be my next project.

Did you just attach your cm 4221 to the existing J mount that was used for your dish? How well is it working? I am thinking of doing the same thing with my dish mount so I don't have to buy a tripod and new wire. It would be fantastic to be able to use all of the existing cabling. The only problem is the mount is on my one story garage and not on the top of our 2 story house. I'm wondering if the lack of height might be a problem. Any ideas anyone?

[addp009]

I'm trying to decide between the CM4221HD and CM4228HD. Living in Markham (16th and McCowan) and planning to put it in attic, I'm not sure if the 4221 will be good enough to receive the buffalo station. However, I'm pretty sure the CM4228HD won't fit though the attic hole, is it possible to take it apart and re assemble it in the attic?

[angelelectronics]

I'm trying to decide between the CM4221HD and CM4228HD. Living in Markham (16th and McCowan) and planning to put it in attic, I'm not sure if the 4221 will be good enough to receive the buffalo station. However, I'm pretty sure the CM4228HD won't fit though the attic hole, is it possible to take it apart and re assemble it in the attic?

4228HD would be the best choice but its not a good aidea to take it apart.
or buy 2 4221Hd and combine them in the attic :)

[addp009]

4228HD would be the best choice but its not a good aidea to take it apart.
or buy 2 4221Hd and combine them in the attic :)

How do you combine 2 4221hd in the attic? And would they be as good as a 4228hd together?

[angelelectronics]

How do you combine 2 4221hd in the attic? And would they be as good as a 4228hd together?

just put 2 4221Hd side by side and Combine them with Pct switch switch or with combiner
and u will have almost the same gain as 4228
cheers

[SENSEI]

I'm trying to decide between the CM4221HD and CM4228HD. Living in Markham (16th and McCowan) and planning to put it in attic, I'm not sure if the 4221 will be good enough to receive the buffalo station. However, I'm pretty sure the CM4228HD won't fit though the attic hole, is it possible to take it apart and re assemble it in the attic?

4228 for sure.
My buddy is over at 16th and 9th line.

He has orig 4228 in the attic picking up most if not all signals with a 7777 amp as well.

We got all our stuff from Sensuz.

They have a demo store now from what I understand. You can check everything out. It's at Woodbine and 16th as well, so should give you a much idea of what you will need.

I think it's by appointments only...not sure...just email them.

[addp009]

How your buddy get the 4228 up in the attic?


4228 for sure.
My buddy is over at 16th and 9th line.

He has orig 4228 in the attic picking up most if not all signals with a 7777 amp as well.

We got all our stuff from Sensuz.

They have a demo store now from what I understand. You can check everything out. It's at Woodbine and 16th as well, so should give you a much idea of what you will need.

I think it's by appointments only...not sure...just email them.

[poorgirl]

4228 for sure.
My buddy is over at 16th and 9th line.

He has orig 4228 in the attic picking up most if not all signals with a 7777 amp as well.

We got all our stuff from Sensuz.

They have a demo store now from what I understand. You can check everything out. It's at Woodbine and 16th as well, so should give you a much idea of what you will need.

I think it's by appointments only...not sure...just email them.

Sensei would you happen to have their email or web address, I am at 7 and warden and would like to visit them.
thanks

[porksoda]

Anyone in toronto getting HD channels if in building and facing north only?. I am on 43rd floor and facing north.... no buildings infront of me so reflections make it an impossibility.

My friend is making a homebrew antenna and was successful to get the following channels he faces south/east lots of buildings near him so lots of reflections.

Channel Name Call Format Get

29.1 fox wutv 720p/5.1 yes
29.2 fox SD 480i/2.0 yes
15.1 suntv ckxt 1080i/2.0 yes
11.1 E chch 1080i/5.1 yes
5.1 cbc cblt 1080i/5.1 yes
51.1 ion wpxj 480i/2.0 yes
51.2 ion qubo 480i/2.0 yes
51.3 ion ion life 480i/2.0 yes
51.4 ion Worship 480i/2.0 yes
25.1 cbc f cblft 1080i/5.1 yes
26.1 tct wnyb 480i/2.0 yes
26.2 tct hd wnyb 1080i/2.0 yes
23.1 CW wnlo 1080i/5.1 yes
2.1 nbc wgrz 1080i/5.1 yes
2.2 nbc sport 480i/2.0 yes
2.3 nbc retro 480i/2.0 yes
36.1 Crossrd CITS 1080i/5.1 yes
7.1 ABC WKBW 720p/5.1 yes
4.1 CBS WIVB 1080i/5.1 yes
9.1 CTV CFTO 1080i/5.1 yes
17.1 PBS WNED 1080i/5.1 yes
17.2 PBS SD 480i/2.0 yes
17.3 PBS Think Bright 480i/2.0 yes
44.1 OMNI2 CJMT 1080i/2.0 yes
49.1 My TV WNYO 720p/5.1 yes
49.2 MY TV SD 480i/2.0 yes
57.1 CITYTV CITY 1080i/5.1 yes
64.1 OMNI1 CFMT 1080i/2.0 yes
41.1 GLOBAL CIII 1080i/5.1 yes
66.1 Sun TV CKXT 1080i/5.1 yes

8.1 CBS WROC 1080i/5.1 yes - Rochester
21.1 PBS WXXI 1080i/2.0 yes - Rochester
21.2 PBS World 480i/2.0 yes - Rochester
21.3 PBS Think Bright 480i/2.0 yes - Rochester
21.4 PBS PBS SD 480i/2.0 yes - Rochester



I think im out of luck on ota hd but i am open to anyone getting hd in my situation.

[ephemera]

Did you just attach your cm 4221 to the existing J mount that was used for your dish? How well is it working? I am thinking of doing the same thing with my dish mount so I don't have to buy a tripod and new wire. It would be fantastic to be able to use all of the existing cabling. The only problem is the mount is on my one story garage and not on the top of our 2 story house. I'm wondering if the lack of height might be a problem. Any ideas anyone?

I am using the existing jmount thats on the side of my brickwall.
I am thinking of raising it higher, but then it would be more than scary being that high up the ladder :cheesygri

[addp009]

Sensei would you happen to have their email or web address, I am at 7 and warden and would like to visit them.
thanks

poorgirl, their website is http://www.sensuz.com/.

[trini]

Well i tried mine downtown but i need an external ATSC tuner converter thing since my tv only has ATSC which sux.
Anyone know where i can get one for cheap?
Thanks.

[porksoda]

Well i tried mine downtown but i need an external ATSC tuner converter thing since my tv only has ATSC which sux.
Anyone know where i can get one for cheap?
Thanks.

you mean your tv has a ntsc tuner only? cuz if your tv has atsc then you are good.

I think the ota HD tuners run about 100-150ish from the usual suspects of ota/fta suppliers.

[angelelectronics]

How your buddy get the 4228 up in the attic?
Originally Posted by SENSEI
4228 for sure.
My buddy is over at 16th and 9th line.

He has orig 4228 in the attic picking up most if not all signals with a 7777 amp as well.

We got all our stuff from Sensuz.

They have a demo store now from what I understand. You can check everything out. It's at Woodbine and 16th as well, so should give you a much idea of what you will need.



How your buddy get the 4228 up in the attic?

[SENSEI]

How your buddy get the 4228 up in the attic?

It's the orig 4228.

Used a drill to break through the rivots. There are about 8 of them.
Then use small 1" nuts and bolts to reassemble once in the attic.

That is the only way we were able to do it. But it works fine once put back together.

We had it on the roof, but it was ugly and tougher to direct...

[dandiggler]

So now that satellite is dead ive decided to pick up the channel master4221 to replace the dish before i call bell or rogers....

do i need an amplifier or anything else for this antenna to work?

[radeonboy]

So now that satellite is dead ive decided to pick up the channel master4221 to replace the dish before i call bell or rogers....

do i need an amplifier or anything else for this antenna to work?

no amp needed. just plug in, aim and enjoy:cheesygri

[angelelectronics]

So now that satellite is dead ive decided to pick up the channel master4221 to replace the dish before i call bell or rogers....

do i need an amplifier or anything else for this antenna to work?

welcome Aboard :)

[jaggudada]

So now that satellite is dead ive decided to pick up the channel master4221 to replace the dish before i call bell or rogers....

do i need an amplifier or anything else for this antenna to work?



I am in the same boat. Can the wire from this Channelmaster 4221 antenna and wire from cable company, both be used in a single TV.

Thanks in advance.

[porksoda]

no amp needed. just plug in, aim and enjoy:cheesygri

+1


I am in the same boat. Can the wire from this Channelmaster 4221 antenna and wire from cable company, both be used in a single TV.

Thanks in advance.

You can use coax.... aka cable from cable company but buy it from wherever you buy the antenna... get and outside grade with double shielded jacket for the plug and make sure its the right ohm-age, it shouldnt matter too much but the rf nerds say it does.

[archimed]

Just a heads-up for fellow Edmontonians - Global is in the test phase of broadcasting HD via OTA. Sounds like reception is available on the south side at the moment, but because the transmitter is (temporarily mounted) on the Global building there isn't enough line of sight to make it to the north end.

Keep an eye on this thread for more info on it:

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=108468

[sunny302]

live in mississauga (near milton), antenna mounted in the attic, pointing in a direction between buffalo and rochester, able to pick up 36 channels (hd and air) , 2 channels come up with "mode not supported" (i think it is channel 39), yagi antenna from angel cost 65 + a 50 foot cable -no preamp. unable to get rochester or syracuse the rest of the channels are super clear.

[Ghozt]

I lived at younge and steels area, I am about to pick up either 4228 or 4224 and place it in the attic. Do you guys think I can receive channles from buffalo and toronto with 4224? Or I need to get the 4228?

[Pornosaur]

Hey guys, I know this sounds like a question that I should have researched my own, (which I did, but just a little).

Does anyone here have any actual experience with both the 4221 and 4228? And did you notice you could get more channels with the 4228?

Thanks!

I just finally cancelled our Cogeco cable. It just cut our bill by about $100 per month!

[mwong168]

I have my 4221 behind my living room window and I am able to pick up 12 channels. I hope I can pick up a lot more once I have it mounted up high on my chimney this weekend. I'm really impressed that some of you guys are able to pick up so many channels.

[skyngai]

I am sorry I didn't read through all the pages, but I have a stupid question I would like to ask.
Do I need one Antenna per TV? or can I hook the Antenna to the main cable at my basement so that it will connect to all the wall socket in my house?

[zoolander]

Hey guys, I know this sounds like a question that I should have researched my own, (which I did, but just a little).

Does anyone here have any actual experience with both the 4221 and 4228? And did you notice you could get more channels with the 4228?

Thanks!

I just finally cancelled our Cogeco cable. It just cut our bill by about $100 per month!

4228HD beam width 15 degrees
4221HD beam width 45 degrees, sometimes it's better to stack two 4221HDs.

Here are some gain figures:
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/8005/antennap.jpg

There are also physical hacks for the 4221HD:
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=104837

[Pornosaur]

Cool! Seems like it's much better to use 2. Anyone here use 2 of them or do you think it's not really necessary?

I'm located in Oakville. If anyone else from Oakville can chime in, that would be great!

[night blade]

Hrm, I was in Fortune Computers on the weekend looking to pickup a noname antenna to replace my homemade DB4 & some guy said he was getting 45 channels with these cheap antennas?!. I said this was not possible as there's only 25 ~ 26 HD channels right now available in the GTA, anyone here getting remotely that many channels? I get 25 with a 4221HD pointing east towards the CN tower & a homemade DB4 pointing south towards Buffalo, Scarborough Bluffs area.

[redzone]

well if you count the analouges as well then yes its close to 45 lol

[dandiggler]

with my 4221hd facing southwest i can still only get about 6-8 channels.

Do i need a preamp or a tuner or something to get more channels?

I need help and i dont know where to turn.

[zoolander]

with my 4221hd facing southwest i can still only get about 6-8 channels.

Do i need a preamp or a tuner or something to get more channels?

I need help and i dont know where to turn.

Someone can correct me but I believe a preamp only strengthens the strong channels and discards the weak, it does not give you more. A tuner is only needed if your TV does not have ATSC. And line of sight and height are the most important to anyone considering OTA... with the CM4221HD as the gold standard.

[trini]

My question is how do i run both cable and this to my tv?
Occasionally i need to switch to cable or i should say downgrade to calbe tv.
Is the some kind of switch?

[grumps]

I got a 4221HD from Save and Replay a couple weeks ago. 18th floor of a downtown condo near university and dundas with a clear view of the CN tower. But I only get the Canadian channels. My guess is the downtown core business buildings are blocking my view of the Buffalo stations. Very disappointed though.

[basketball]

I got a 4221HD from Save and Replay a couple weeks ago. 18th floor of a downtown condo near university and dundas with a clear view of the CN tower. But I only get the Canadian channels. My guess is the downtown core business buildings are blocking my view of the Buffalo stations. Very disappointed though.

is it aimed West SE (between S and SE)? I believe that is where most of the buffalo stations broadcast from.

[ppl4golf]

with my 4221hd facing southwest i can still only get about 6-8 channels.

Do i need a preamp or a tuner or something to get more channels?

I need help and i dont know where to turn.


Someone can correct me but I believe a preamp only strengthens the strong channels and discards the weak, it does not give you more. A tuner is only needed if your TV does not have ATSC. And line of sight and height are the most important to anyone considering OTA... with the CM4221HD as the gold standard.

Quite the contrary...

Preamp 'stabilizes' the marginal channels and my CM7778 really does help. However, if you're not even sniffing the Buffalo channels nothing is going to help. Try aiming at different direction, sometimes you get bounced signal.

[zoolander]

Thanks pplgolf, from the guy who got me kickstarted on the whole thing :)
Bad choice of semantics on my part because I don't need them, more accurately re: preamps... "optimum filtering for rejection of out-of-band signals" - SaveandReplay CM7778

More on preamps:

Preamps are used for taking in your antenna's signal as close as possible up the mast nearest the antenna and amplifying it in very specific ways to allow the signal to travel strongly down a cable to your tuner. Don't assume that any old TV/CATV amplifier will do, it has to be a specifically designed antenna preamp.

In many cases an antenna gives strong enough signal power on its own to drive the tuner so a preamp would not be necessary. In most cases, a weak signal in a fringe or deep fringe area can be dramatically improved with a preamp. In other cases, a mixture of near and far stations can cause preamp problems. For example, someone in downtown Toronto should ask before using one because of their proximity to the CN Tower's already strong signals. There are always ways around those problems using filters, blockers, attenuators, traps, etc.

Another purpose for a preamplifier that is often overlooked is to compensate for a noisy first stage amplifier already in your TV. Back when most people used OTA, all TVs had low noise amplifiers to help receive weak signals, but now that most people have cable or satellite, many TVs have cheaper (noisy) first stage amplifiers. A preamp with enough gain will cause the Automatic Gain Control (AGC) circuit controlling the internal first stage amplifier to "turn off", and if your preamp isn't as noisy you will be able to receive weaker stations more easily.

Not all preamps are alike, even from the same manufacturer. Some have higher amounts of added "noise", others lower. Noise is the enemy of TV tuners, so the lower the better. Some provide low amounts of "gain" (boost), others are for very high gain. Don't assume that the preamp with the highest gain figure is necessarily the best for all conditions. Bad idea.

Due to the very critical role that OTA Preamps play, the manufacturers almost always provide reliable specifications for those products. People have been using Preamps for decades, so their Gain, Noise, Loss, and other properties are well known. It is possible to make direct comparisons between them, so in our case we have the charts and tables in the OTA Forum that clear up any questions. When a new type of Preamp like the model from Research Comms comes along that clearly outperforms the others, that's big news and you'll read about it here

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showpost.php?p=362984&postcount=14

Yes as he said, try the easiest fixes first, different aim and greater height if possible.

[andicus]

My question is how do i run both cable and this to my tv?
Occasionally i need to switch to cable or i should say downgrade to calbe tv.
Is the some kind of switch?

If your TV doesn't have separate inputs for cable and antenna, you'll have to use an a/b switch. They're quite inexpensive. You can find them at Home Depot.

[angelelectronics]

My question is how do i run both cable and this to my tv?
Occasionally i need to switch to cable or i should say downgrade to calbe tv.
Is the some kind of switch?

use the A-B Swsitch or Buy a new Tv with Antenna and Cable input :)

[porksoda]

Hrm, I was in Fortune Computers on the weekend looking to pickup a noname antenna to replace my homemade DB4 & some guy said he was getting 45 channels with these cheap antennas?!. I said this was not possible as there's only 25 ~ 26 HD channels right now available in the GTA, anyone here getting remotely that many channels? I get 25 with a 4221HD pointing east towards the CN tower & a homemade DB4 pointing south towards Buffalo, Scarborough Bluffs area.

yonge/eg my friend with his homebrew antenna gets 35-37 (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8921774&postcount=790) channels depending on the weather for across the lake signal.

[fergy]

With an analogue TV reception on iffy channels = snow and generally nasty artifacts and such. With digital channels what happens with iffy channels?

[towhytea]

With an analogue TV reception on iffy channels = snow and generally nasty artifacts and such. With digital channels what happens with iffy channels?

With digital it will either work or it wont. So if you get a pic it will be crisp it u dont ull get a blank screen

[ClubberLang]

My 4221 is allowing me to get all Toronto channels, but nothing from Bufallo :(. My positioning sucks. I am on the ground floor of an appartment and another appartment blocksy my southern view. I know I may need a higher gain antenna like the 4228. The 4228 is basically 2 4221's right? Can I just get a second 4221 and link them together?

[teoconca]

With digital it will either work or it wont. So if you get a pic it will be crisp it u dont ull get a blank screen

+1. With digital HD, there are no iffy or snowy channels. You get the channels clear or nothing.

[andicus]

My 4221 is allowing me to get all Toronto channels, but nothing from Bufallo :(. My positioning sucks. I am on the ground floor of an appartment and another appartment blocksy my southern view. I know I may need a higher gain antenna like the 4228. The 4228 is basically 2 4221's right? Can I just get a second 4221 and link them together?

Yes, you can link them together, but you should read up on how to do it. Sounds like you're in a pretty tough situation, but you never know.

There are also modifications you can do to the 4221HD to improve its performance. See http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=104837

[night blade]

well if you count the analouges as well then yes its close to 45 lol

Before the analog shut off last month I was getting the same, but this guy insisted they were all HD, said he could get Rochester aswell from Lakeshore :lol:.

[will23]

Need help please. I want to try out the 4221 but one of my TV does not have a tuner in it. Should I buy a tuner for it or can I buy a DVD player that has a TV tuner built in?

[porksoda]

Before the analog shut off last month I was getting the same, but this guy insisted they were all HD, said he could get Rochester aswell from Lakeshore :lol:.

At least 4 main channels from rochester can be had from yonge and eg.

[zoolander]

Don't forget the three CM4221HD hacks. You are basically making it look like the old reliable and better performing CM4221HD before the manufacturer was changed to PCT.
1. Remove all the plastic clips (the one on the left is removed).

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=177&pictureid=879

2. Unscrew the balun, flatten out the strips, drill new holes and reattach so that the balun is farther away from the V grids.

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=177&pictureid=881

3. I didn't cut the width as there is controversy whether it helps. The old CM4221HD is 20" across, the new one is 24". That one is your call, read about the hacks here:
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=104837&highlight=cm4221hd+hacks

[summerdream]

Will this work for a south-facing 11th apartment at Toronto downtown (Yonge & Bloor) without clear view of CN tower(block by other building)? Thanks.

[trini]

Hey will23, you can buy a atsc tuner from tiger direct for around 40.00 it's the cheapest i could find compared to a DVD/VCR recorder round 100.00 which i saw tech direct carries.
I hope that helps.
Thanks angel i got an AB switch at Home Depot for $6.00

[ppl4golf]

Need help please. I want to try out the 4221 but one of my TV does not have a tuner in it. Should I buy a tuner for it or can I buy a DVD player that has a TV tuner built in?


Hey will23, you can buy a atsc tuner from tiger direct for around 40.00 it's the cheapest i could find compared to a DVD/VCR recorder round 100.00 which i saw tech direct carries.
I hope that helps.
Thanks angel i got an AB switch at Home Depot for $6.00

If you're using an old tube standard definition TV, those digital-to-analog box is perfect. You don't get HD output for anything less than $100 except TV tuner cards for computer.

To me, this is all about best quality HDTV available so I only talk about HD channels. Anyone puts out a long list including analog channels (duplicate or not) is kidding yourself.

[porksoda]

Hey will23, you can buy a atsc tuner from tiger direct for around 40.00 it's the cheapest i could find compared to a DVD/VCR recorder round 100.00 which i saw tech direct carries.
I hope that helps.
Thanks angel i got an AB switch at Home Depot for $6.00

Be careful on which atsc tuners to buy... they all have different kinds of tuners some are stronger than others... i would call or go to places talked about in this thread and ask for their opinoions.

I think paying about 60-100 bucks for a hd atsc tuner that spits out non hd is pretty decent...

150-175 for one with hdmi or compoenent

250-300ish for a hd pvr.

[prettyha8]

I think paying about 60-100 bucks for a hd atsc tuner that spits out non hd is pretty decent...
.

$100 bucks Yikes! The best ATSC->NTSC (non-HD) Tuner I have seen for fastest channel flipping and best picture quality (and best build) is the Channel Master CM-7000.

The CM-7000 goes for about $30 USD on fleabay (do a completed listings search). Sometimes they go for as cheap as $20. You can buy 2 or 3 and do combined shipping and split with your friends. In fact if you do one, I will most probably be in. (Or if you know of anyone traveling from US to Canada anytime soon, they can bring them back up.)

S&R (http://overtheair.saveandreplay.com/channel_master_cm7000_D2A_Digital_converter_box.as p) charges $100 bucks +tax for these $30 dollar boxes.

[cmge]

Don't forget the three CM4221HD hacks. You are basically making it look like the old reliable and better performing CM4221HD before the manufacturer was changed to PCT.
1. Remove all the plastic clips (the one on the left is removed).

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=177&pictureid=879

2. Unscrew the balun, flatten out the strips, drill new holes and reattach so that the balun is farther away from the V grids.

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=177&pictureid=881

3. I didn't cut the width as there is controversy whether it helps. The old CM4221HD is 20" across, the new one is 24". That one is your call, read about the hacks here:
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=104837&highlight=cm4221hd+hacks

would those hacks also work on clones?

[will23]

If you're using an old tube standard definition TV, those digital-to-analog box is perfect. You don't get HD output for anything less than $100 except TV tuner cards for computer.

To me, this is all about best quality HDTV available so I only talk about HD channels. Anyone puts out a long list including analog channels (duplicate or not) is kidding yourself.

Thanks! I'll look it up.:razz:

[markj]

im new to OTA and just mounted a 4 bay clone antenna to my metal balcony - what should i do for grounding? the antenna is clamped directly onto the all metal balcony railing with no mast

also im using a flat ribbon coax cable to go from inside to outside through a sliding patio door...im picking up all the HD channels available in MTL except ABC and FOX...an low noise AMP might help me get FOX

[bogey]

Do the antenna hack actually improve reception?
I think the plastic clips are better left on to protect the connection.
Many antenna are covered by a shroud or radome. If plastics have dramatic effects one expect to see much fewer covered antennas.


Preamps may(or not) be useful for the following reasons:

Coax at UHF frequencies are relatively lossy (calculator (http://www.ocarc.ca/coax.htm)).
In 50 ft. you are roughly -3dB poorer (-3dB = loss of roughly half the power)(100 ft means -6dB, you are down to one quarter of the original power).

So if you have a relatively long run of coax, you may lose the weaker stations.
By the same argument, a preamp will be the most effective if mounted near the antenna (and may be completely useless if mounted beside your TV, far away from the antenna).

However, ChannelMaster, Pioneer, Samsung, ... are not terribly eager to publish the sensitivity specifications of their amplifiers (usually ~1uV(microvolt), which is the minimum signal it needs from the antenna).
A separate preamp may not be more sensitive than your TV's own amplifier (manufacturers not talking).
But unless you have a fairly short coax run from your antenna to your TV, a 'good' preamp can be helpful when mounted near the antenna.

[firechkn]

Don't forget the three CM4221HD hacks. You are basically making it look like the old reliable and better performing CM4221HD before the manufacturer was changed to PCT.
1. Remove all the plastic clips (the one on the left is removed).

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=177&pictureid=879

2. Unscrew the balun, flatten out the strips, drill new holes and reattach so that the balun is farther away from the V grids.

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=177&pictureid=881

3. I didn't cut the width as there is controversy whether it helps. The old CM4221HD is 20" across, the new one is 24". That one is your call, read about the hacks here:
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=104837&highlight=cm4221hd+hacks

WTF, those are my pictures from Digitalhome and even the wording is similar! That's not right, should be some rule against pirating from other websites.

BAN!

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=104837&page=2

[zoolander]

WTF, those are my pictures from Digitalhome and even the wording is similar! That's not right, should be some rule against pirating from other websites.

BAN!

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=104837&page=2

Be proud, I just used "Copy Image Location" under firefox. I don't reference usernames from other forums, IMHO that's kind of silly, it's not an academic paper I'm writing, but I did reference the thread on DigitalHome that it came from. I also make no mention that they are "my pics"... I'm just helping others as I usually try to do, and posting the pics here is easier and more convenient for RFDers to see than linking to your post, so if you take offense to that, I'm sorry. Note that those are the best visuals on the net on how to hack and I'm grateful you posted them, it helped me alot and I'm paying it forward.
I have several pics on ImageShack which I took with my camera and I know as soon as I upload them, they essentially become public domain and I could care less if anyone copied and pasted them or gave me credit for them.
If you don't wish to share them on RFD and feel ownership to them, pm me and I'll remove my posts :)

[ah802]

Would a thank-you suffice? or do you need your name in lights and a suitcase of money?


WTF, those are my pictures from Digitalhome and even the wording is similar! That's not right, should be some rule against pirating from other websites.

BAN!

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=104837&page=2

Thank-you for what it's worth.

[neo1973]

BAN!

Why?

zoolander never took any credit. He even provided link to the original post.

[tang815]

My 4221 is allowing me to get all Toronto channels, but nothing from Bufallo :(. My positioning sucks. I am on the ground floor of an appartment and another appartment blocksy my southern view. I know I may need a higher gain antenna like the 4228. The 4228 is basically 2 4221's right? Can I just get a second 4221 and link them together?

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/tang815/DSCF0006.jpg

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/tang815/DSCF0005.jpg

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/tang815/DSCF0008.jpg

This is an attic setup which feeds 3 TV throughout the house. I was able to get ~ 23 channels at the bedroom right above the attic with only 1 clone CM4221. Signal becomes weaker and I lost a few channels when running cable down to the ground floor. I experimented with ganging 2 antennas, one facing CN tower, one facing Buffalo, they are joined by a cheap spliter, I also installed a CM7777 preamp which gave me 29 solid digital channels, including the Ion group. For anyone who is struggling with lost signal because of long cable run, use a preamp, it will save you some running up and down the ladder.

[ppl4golf]

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/tang815/DSCF0006.jpg

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/tang815/DSCF0005.jpg

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/tang815/DSCF0008.jpg

This is an attic setup which feeds 3 TV throughout the house. I was able to get ~ 23 channels at the bedroom right above the attic with only 1 clone CM4221. Signal becomes weaker and I lost a few channels when running cable down to the ground floor. I experimented with ganging 2 antennas, one facing CN tower, one facing Buffalo, they are joined by a cheap spliter, I also installed a CM7777 preamp which gave me 29 solid digital channels, including the Ion group. For anyone who is struggling with lost signal because of long cable run, use a preamp, it will save you some running up and down the ladder.

Nice setup!
I envy anyone gets the full complement of channels with indoor/attic antenna.

[firechkn]

Be proud, I just used "Copy Image Location" under firefox. I don't reference usernames from other forums, IMHO that's kind of silly, it's not an academic paper I'm writing, but I did reference the thread on DigitalHome that it came from. I also make no mention that they are "my pics"... I'm just helping others as I usually try to do, and posting the pics here is easier and more convenient for RFDers to see than linking to your post, so if you take offense to that, I'm sorry. Note that those are the best visuals on the net on how to hack and I'm grateful you posted them, it helped me alot and I'm paying it forward.
I have several pics on ImageShack which I took with my camera and I know as soon as I upload them, they essentially become public domain and I could care less if anyone copied and pasted them or gave me credit for them.
If you don't wish to share them on RFD and feel ownership to them, pm me and I'll remove my posts :)

Fair enough, I'm just glad I could help. If sharing the photos help others become Cable or Satellite free then post away :)

[Majoram]

Kinda of a dumb question but I have a Antronix ARA4-8 Amplifier is that the same as a PreAmp?

[andicus]

Kinda of a dumb question but I have a Antronix ARA4-8 Amplifier is that the same as a PreAmp?

No, and it's not a dumb question. You have what is called a distribution amp. It's intended for cases where your signal is sufficient up to your splitter, but then weak once it has been split. A pre-amplifier consists of 2 parts. An amplifier that is mounted at (or very near) your antenna, and a power supply (or power inserter/injector) which is usually indoors. The power supply will have a 'from antenna' connection and a 'to TV' connection, and connects to your antenna cable (before any splitters or distribution amps) and supplies power to the outdoor amp.

[Nemodigital]

Did you just attach your cm 4221 to the existing J mount that was used for your dish? How well is it working? I am thinking of doing the same thing with my dish mount so I don't have to buy a tripod and new wire. It would be fantastic to be able to use all of the existing cabling. The only problem is the mount is on my one story garage and not on the top of our 2 story house. I'm wondering if the lack of height might be a problem. Any ideas anyone?
Sorry to resurrect a old issue but I was thinking of doing the same thing with using the Bell J-pole, any tips on how to mount the CM-4221 on to the J-pole?

[kcotoulas]

Curious if anybody has had any luck getting US channels from the Orangeville area?

[MarlowT]

The channel master should actually come with a U-clamp. The U-clamp will clamp around the arm of the J-pipe.

[bond007isme]

anyone know where to buy a cm 4221hd in the markham area?

Thanks..sorry if this was asked before.

[teoconca]

anyone know where to buy a cm 4221hd in the markham area?

Thanks..sorry if this was asked before.

www.sensuz.com. You can pick up in Markham.

[angelelectronics]

Curious if anybody has had any luck getting US channels from the Orangeville area?

ya people do get channels there from US like NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, FOX29 and MYTV
thanks

[bonzo]

Does anyone know where you can pick this locally up in the Windsor market?

[prettyha8]

Sorry this reply may be kinda late, but I was in Windsor for 1 day (for a wedding this past weeknd), and the number of Satellite/FTA/Antenna electronics places there just blew my mind.

My GF kept grabbing the steering wheel while I was driving to keep me from turning in to every "mom&pop small-box" store that I passed. I felt like a kid in a candy shop window.
Actually I find that any Canadian city neighboring the US border is good for imports such as Dish or DirecTV hardware, etc. (This was back in the day.) And now have become ATSC hardware stores.

Being so close to Detroit, I figure ATSC must be popular, and an Antenna like this should be easy to come by.



(Sorry, I guess this post was more of an editorial, with no useful information for the poster.)

[octapuss]

i just want to throw a shout out to the digiwave 2084 clone. bought it for 20 bucks and threw it on my roof, bam full range of HD channels. Living downtown toronto North west of the tower. The only channel that im having troubles with is 2.1 which comes in and out in the evenings. Im thinking of buying another one for the winter, so i can move it around inside on the top floor of my house. Not sure how long the outside one will last this winter, but so far too good!

[LonesomeDove]

$100 bucks Yikes! The best ATSC->NTSC (non-HD) Tuner I have seen for fastest channel flipping and best picture quality (and best build) is the Channel Master CM-7000.

The CM-7000 goes for about $30 USD on fleabay (do a completed listings search). Sometimes they go for as cheap as $20. You can buy 2 or 3 and do combined shipping and split with your friends. In fact if you do one, I will most probably be in. (Or if you know of anyone traveling from US to Canada anytime soon, they can bring them back up.)

S&R (http://overtheair.saveandreplay.com/channel_master_cm7000_D2A_Digital_converter_box.as p) charges $100 bucks +tax for these $30 dollar boxes.

If you want HD, buy a TV with a ASTC tuner, which most new TV's have built it. The CM-7000 is a digital to analog converter; it is NOT a ASTC tuner. In other words, it converts digital to analog signals which defeats the purpose of HD. Why get analog when digital is preferred.

[ppl4golf]

If you want HD, buy a TV with a ASTC tuner, which most new TV's have built it. The CM-7000 is a digital to analog converter; it is NOT a ASTC tuner. In other words, it converts digital to analog signals which defeats the purpose of HD. Why get analog when digital is preferred.

You totally have a point and that's exactly what I 'preached' all along.

However...
I just bought a $50 Craig CVD508 D2A for my folks' 17" Samsung LCDTV sans ATSC tuners. The Craig is the worst ATSC tuner device I have had to date. Worse than the Hauppauge HVR-1600. The mechanism in error correction is just horrible. Stuttering on CBC (CBLT-DT) is freaking ridiculous.

It looks like I am going to eat the 30% restocking fee and return it LOL. The funny thing is I'll NEVER get the CM D2A for $100. You might as well get a Samsung T220HD as you're almost half way there.

[LonesomeDove]

You totally have a point and that's exactly what I 'preached' all along.

However...
I just bought a $50 Craig CVD508 D2A for my folks' 17" Samsung LCDTV sans ATSC tuners. The Craig is the worst ATSC tuner device I have had to date. Worse than the Hauppauge HVR-1600. The mechanism in error correction is just horrible. Stuttering on CBC (CBLT-DT) is freaking ridiculous.

It looks like I am going to eat the 30% restocking fee and return it LOL. The funny thing is I'll NEVER get the CM D2A for $100. You might as well get a Samsung T220HD as you're almost half way there.

Funny you mention the Samsung T220HD because that is what I have. I have a $25 Philips indoor antenna and can pick up one HD channel, CBC. Looks good.

[prettyha8]

If you want HD, buy a TV with a ASTC tuner, which most new TV's have built it. The CM-7000 is a digital to analog converter; it is NOT a ASTC tuner. In other words, it converts digital to analog signals which defeats the purpose of HD. Why get analog when digital is preferred.

Yes that's correct, the CM-7000 is an ATSC -> NTSC converter box. I just find it so hard to believe that they sell these in Buffalo for $20+tax, and retailers in Canada are selling for $100+.

When I was in Texas, I bought 2x Coby DTV-140 for $60 each (http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/58-13285), (MUCH cheaper than what I could find up here). It has HD outputs and decent picture quality (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=882632) for older TVs or for your projector.

[Debonair]

anyone have a good noob guide or FAQ for this?

I have many questions...

professional installation is available but is it worth it? how much should I pay for it? (not much of a DIY person)

I've heard having a brick house means you cant get good signal indoors... how do you set this thing up outdoors? is it hard? what materials are required? any good videos for this?

Thanks in advance.

[bonzo]

Sorry this reply may be kinda late, but I was in Windsor for 1 day (for a wedding this past weeknd), and the number of Satellite/FTA/Antenna electronics places there just blew my mind.

My GF kept grabbing the steering wheel while I was driving to keep me from turning in to every "mom&pop small-box" store that I passed. I felt like a kid in a candy shop window.
Actually I find that any Canadian city neighboring the US border is good for imports such as Dish or DirecTV hardware, etc. (This was back in the day.) And now have become ATSC hardware stores.

Being so close to Detroit, I figure ATSC must be popular, and an Antenna like this should be easy to come by.



(Sorry, I guess this post was more of an editorial, with no useful information for the poster.)

I am in Windsor all the time, yet I don't know of any store that sells the Channel Master 4221HD all they sell are cheap hdtv antennas with no return policies.

[Inno]

anyone have a good noob guide or FAQ for this?

I have many questions...

professional installation is available but is it worth it? how much should I pay for it? (not much of a DIY person)

I've heard having a brick house means you cant get good signal indoors... how do you set this thing up outdoors? is it hard? what materials are required? any good videos for this?

Thanks in advance.

It is not that hard to set up. The easiest way is if you have a flat wood surface somewhere up high on your house on the side facing the towers you want to aim at. I bought a J-mount post for around $30 and attached the antenna to that, then screwed the base of the post to my wooden fascia under the eavestrough, with the antenna facing towards the CN tower.

Then just attach the cable, run it down to your HD TV and voila, HD TV!

Of course you need a high ladder and nerves of steel to climb up there too.

[prettyha8]

It is not that hard to set up. The easiest way is if you have a flat wood surface somewhere up high on your house on the side facing the towers you want to aim at.

There are lots of tips to good aiming in this thread. Check out this post (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/8444796-post270/), and the bottom of this post (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/channel-master-4221hd-4-bay-ota-hdtv-antenna-49-99-a-706226/13/#post8399540).

Or aim anywhere into this triangle:


http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5486/69436282.png

[can2000]

Where is the address / location for (http://www.angelelectronics.ca ?

thanks

[AeonLux]

just curious.. but how many HD channels can you actually pickup with this sort of thing? sorry kind of new to antennas

[Eldorado]

Where is the address / location for (http://www.angelelectronics.ca ?

thanks

You really had to ask?

http://www.angelelectronics.ca/contactus.html

[can2000]

You really had to ask?

http://www.angelelectronics.ca/contactus.html

Thanks! This morning I checked contact us and it went to:
http://geocanada.info/khubnetworkmodule.com/shopping/catalog/contact_us.php?osCsid=25c8be5d7d60a16bccebdbce5372 a7dd

[najibs]

-edited-

[kiasu]

i'm kind of new to this..is there a list of channel i can check before getting it? can we receive any of those multiculture channels such as fairchild from this antenaa?

[zoolander]

i'm kind of new to this..is there a list of channel i can check before getting it? can we receive any of those multiculture channels such as fairchild from this antenaa?

http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCGrid.do?method=decideFwdForLineup&zipcode=14072&setMyPreference=false&lineupId=PC:14072

[prettyha8]

http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCGrid.do?method=decideFwdForLineup&zipcode=14072&setMyPreference=false&lineupId=PC:14072

I think he meant, channels he could pick-up via OTA.

They are all listed somewhere in this thread, but for starters check out:
-http://www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/index.html
-http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=129

[one-cheap-guy]

I think he meant, channels he could pick-up via OTA.

Those are the channels.

Look here:


http://www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/index.html

[kiasu]

thankx for the info guys...look like we cant get fairchild channel from OTA

[gohtor]

thankx for the info guys...look like we cant get fairchild channel from OTA

unfortunately not. I would love to start up a local broadcasting that would be network affiliate of fairchild just to screw over shaw/telus/bell's ridiculous rates on that channel. (the channel alone may be reasonable however people who only want that channel must get basic tv service first. $$$)

non profit would be great if it worked but i doubt the competitors would slump over and let their asian userbase jump ship to a free solution.

there's apparently asian sites with p2p-like streaming of fairchild around the net.

[prettyha8]

unfortunately not. I would love to start up a local broadcasting that would be network affiliate of fairchild just to screw over shaw/telus/bell's

Fairchild might not be on UHF/VHA OTA, but it might be on Satellite OTA. Check out http://www.lyngsat.com (http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/america.html) for more info. I know my euro_friends switched to Satellite-OTA once Dishnet went dark.

[kane2080]

Anyone know if this can get me any OTA channel in Brampton? (airport & countryside)
Thanks

[kiasu]

there's apparently asian sites with p2p-like streaming of fairchild around the net.

really? any URL? pm me if it's against the policy of RFD...:cheesygri thx thx

[zoolander]

Re: Fairchild

Did you try http://wwitv.com/portal.htm and other sites that stream TVB?
Also if you p2p search cowry, lots of asian movies ;)

AFAIK, that zap2it link is the best OTA TVguide specific to southern Ont I could find.

[radeonboy]

Anyone know if this can get me any OTA channel in Brampton? (airport & countryside)
Thanks

Yes, alot if you bring it high. If my cheapo DIY coat hanger antenna can get 14 then this should get you 20+ in the right situations.

[CSAgent]

Have this antenna as well. From SaveandReplay.com for $54.99 with taxes comes to $60.22 for the Channel Master 4221HD 4-Bay.

If I point it west towards the CN Tower (I'm from Mississauga, north of the 403 on Mavis) I can get 26 channels including all of the Canadian stuff. If I point it south towards Buffalo, I can get all of the US channels but lose out on Global HD and Omni HD from Toronto...

But this IS indoor at the moment pressed against my 2nd floor window so once spring arrives and I can install it outside, I should expect better coverage for everything.

[ppl4golf]

Have this antenna as well. From SaveandReplay.com for $54.99 with taxes comes to $60.22 for the Channel Master 4221HD 4-Bay.

If I point it west towards the CN Tower (I'm from Mississauga, north of the 403 on Mavis) I can get 26 channels including all of the Canadian stuff. If I point it south towards Buffalo, I can get all of the US channels but lose out on Global HD and Omni HD from Toronto...

But this IS indoor at the moment pressed against my 2nd floor window so once spring arrives and I can install it outside, I should expect better coverage for everything.

Dig up some of Zoolander's post and see how he combines 2 antennae facing different directions. You should be able to get all channels in the combined feed. Mounting outdoor may also get everything on one antenna given the fairly acceptable results with your current setup.

[mbernardo]

I second that. At first I was very skeptical of this made in china clone (DIGIWAVE). But I bought the 8 BAY model and put it in my attic to replace my home made antenna (thanks to youtube). I am picking up more HD channels than before (26). Our new favorite channel is 51-3 (ION Life) because it's kinda like HGTV. However, since they built a house next door, this channel has been dropping more often. I'm gonna mount it on my roof in the spring because my new neighbor's roof line is in the way.


I bought the last set of digiwave from Tech direct for some co workers and tried one at home, just placed it on the floor in my room and i was shocked to see the results.
If the channelmaster is indeed superior now i really can't wait to get my hands on one.
Thanks OP and the rest who contributed.

[canadathink]

i'm kind of new to this..is there a list of channel i can check before getting it? can we receive any of those multiculture channels such as fairchild from this antenaa?

Channels like CityTV, CTV, Global, E channel, CBC, Omni 1, Omni 2, SunTV, NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox 29, CW23, WNED, PBS, Think Bright, CTS

[lith29]

Hey guys, not to long ago i bought a FTA (my first ever) and it keeps going down, what a waste of money and my time, as I'm not any sort of fta or electronic expert. I don't feel like giving anymore money to rogers or bell.

Anyways, read about this HD antenna through a Toronto newspaper. I read the first few pages of this post, really interesting.

Is the CM4221HD still the best antenna to buy?? Also I'm in the north york area, shouldn't be a problem right?

thank you.

[angelelectronics]

Hey guys, not to long ago i bought a FTA (my first ever) and it keeps going down, what a waste of money and my time, as I'm not any sort of fta or electronic expert. I don't feel like giving anymore money to rogers or bell.

Anyways, read about this HD antenna through a Toronto newspaper. I read the first few pages of this post, really interesting.

Is the CM4221HD still the best antenna to buy?? Also I'm in the north york area, shouldn't be a problem right?

thank you.

the best antenna will be 8 Bay CM4228HD (http://angelelectronics.ca/store/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=62&products_id=79&osCsid=0d8582408b451067895ed5333ead5363)

and u should be able to get around 20+ HD 1080i Channels like
NBC, ABC, CBS, CBC, FOX29, CTV, GLOBAL, OMNI 1, OMNI2, SUN TV, PBS, CW23, CHCH11,CTS,MY TV

[lith29]

what? i thought the 4221HD 4-Bay is better then the 8-bay.


"The reason why the 4221HD is better then the 4228HD is because the 4221HD has a wider field of sense, whereas the 4228 is more forward directional sensing. Thus the 4221HD is good for picking up the CN-tower and buffalo, whereas the 4228HD is more of sharp-shooting buffalo."



the best antenna will be 8 Bay CM4228HD (http://angelelectronics.ca/store/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=62&products_id=79&osCsid=0d8582408b451067895ed5333ead5363)

and u should be able to get around 20+ HD 1080i Channels like
NBC, ABC, CBS, CBC, FOX29, CTV, GLOBAL, OMNI 1, OMNI2, SUN TV, PBS, CW23, CHCH11,CTS,MY TV

[gohtor]

what? i thought the 4221HD 4-Bay is better then the 8-bay.


"The reason why the 4221HD is better then the 4228HD is because the 4221HD has a wider field of sense, whereas the 4228 is more forward directional sensing. Thus the 4221HD is good for picking up the CN-tower and buffalo, whereas the 4228HD is more of sharp-shooting buffalo."

depends on your location. typically you want directional to reach out to stations you can't get. however if you're in a location where they come from all different (far away) directions. you're pretty screwed. you'd have to buy multiple antennas to reach out to those stations. in most cases a the 4 bay will do because the antenna towers are situated to best cover the city area. if you're not in a central location, you have to look at getting an antenna(s) that suits your situation.

[lith29]

ok thanks, does anyone have one in the north york area, around yonge and finch, also is there a store around this area that sells one.

thank you


depends on your location. typically you want directional to reach out to stations you can't get. however if you're in a location where they come from all different (far away) directions. you're pretty screwed. you'd have to buy multiple antennas to reach out to those stations. in most cases a the 4 bay will do because the antenna towers are situated to best cover the city area. if you're not in a central location, you have to look at getting an antenna(s) that suits your situation.

[The Modem Wizard]

Anyone know of a person that installs the Channel Master in the GTA?

[lith29]

a bunch of listing on craigslist for installers.


Anyone know of a person that installs the Channel Master in the GTA?

[canadathink]

ok thanks, does anyone have one in the north york area, around yonge and finch, also is there a store around this area that sells one.

thank you

coz u r almost in the same direction where i think 8-Bay should be the best bet, and it will help u to get both Canadian and US channels
u can buy them locally from this place thedigitalstore (http://www.thedigitalstore.com/product.php?productid=16275&cat=0&page=2)

or

here AE (http://angelelectronics.ca/store/catalog/index.php?cPath=62&osCsid=15cf7fa68289b3e055e54980ddbb4eb3)

[zoolander]

Consult people here (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=129) for what equipment you need specific to your area.

Usually the Buffalo tower spread is too wide for a stationary 8bay. There are options to put it on a rotor which means waiting while you surf; or you could use a 4bay+preamp without a rotor.
But again, each setup is different depending on location, geography and obstacles impeding line of sight.

[canadathink]

Consult people here (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=129) for what equipment you need specific to your area.

Usually the Buffalo tower spread is too wide for a stationary 8bay. There are options to put it on a rotor which means waiting while you surf; or you could use a 4bay+preamp without a rotor.
But again, each setup is different depending on location, geography and obstacles impeding line of sight.

i am in mississauga and have my antenna mounted on top of the house and Facing towards US and still i get the Canadian channels coz i am not far from CN Tower and my antenna is this model (http://angelelectronics.ca/store/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=18_11&products_id=82&osCsid=15cf7fa68289b3e055e54980ddbb4eb3)
and its giving me in toal 20 HD and around 10 Analog with Pre-Amp (http://angelelectronics.ca/store/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=18_43&products_id=239&osCsid=15cf7fa68289b3e055e54980ddbb4eb3)

[The Modem Wizard]

a bunch of listing on craigslist for installers.

Thanks!

-tmw

[Inno]

i am in mississauga and have my antenna mounted on top of the house and Facing towards US and still i get the Canadian channels coz i am not far from CN Tower and my antenna is this model (http://angelelectronics.ca/store/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=18_11&products_id=82&osCsid=15cf7fa68289b3e055e54980ddbb4eb3)
and its giving me in toal 20 HD and around 10 Analog with Pre-Amp (http://angelelectronics.ca/store/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=18_43&products_id=239&osCsid=15cf7fa68289b3e055e54980ddbb4eb3)

I get about the same no. of channels without pre-amp, so don't assume you need to buy that until you have tried without.

I am located in the east end of the city (Toronto) about .5 km from the lake. Antenna is on peak of 2.5 storey house, facing SW.

[LOOSEWHEEL]

Not sure if this was posted in this thread, but I just noticed the Channel Master 4221 is on sale at Angel Electronics for $44.99

CM4221HD (http://angelelectronics.ca/store/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=18_11&products_id=78&osCsid=15cf7fa68289b3e055e54980ddbb4eb3)

[zoolander]

Not sure if this was posted in this thread, but I just noticed the Channel Master 4221 is on sale at Angel Electronics for $44.99

CM4221HD (http://angelelectronics.ca/store/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=18_11&products_id=78&osCsid=15cf7fa68289b3e055e54980ddbb4eb3)

That's a great price for a goldstandard 4221HD.

I have two of them, one pointing at the CN tower and one at Buffalo.
From where I am, one won't do, however some of you can get away with catching channels off the side. Add a preamp if needed and you have signal strength reliability.

[PwrSurge]

thankx for the info guys...look like we cant get fairchild channel from OTA

Although Fairchild is not available on OTA, Omni 1 and Omni 2 are which broadcast some Cantonese programming during certain times of the week.

As far as mandarin programming is concerned, there are a few unencrypted Chinese channels available on FTA with a 33 inch or larger dish such as CCTV 4.

[PwrSurge]

Hey guys, not to long ago i bought a FTA (my first ever) and it keeps going down, what a waste of money and my time, as I'm not any sort of fta or electronic expert. I don't feel like giving anymore money to rogers or bell.

Anyways, read about this HD antenna through a Toronto newspaper. I read the first few pages of this post, really interesting.

Is the CM4221HD still the best antenna to buy?? Also I'm in the north york area, shouldn't be a problem right?

thank you.

The reason your FTA keeps going down is that it's a pirate system. The providers of the signals you are receiving send out Electronic Counter Measures (ECM) on a regular basis to disable these pirate systems.

What you need to do is upgrade to a 33 inch or larger motorized dish in order to receive legitimate unencrypted channels that never "go down".

[lith29]

I'm not sure , but Ive been going to the FTA forums, and it seems that all KBox are down, have been down before xmas, got it back up for a few days, now its back down again. really sick of it.




The reason your FTA keeps going down is that it's a pirate system. The providers of the signals you are receiving send out Electronic Counter Measures (ECM) on a regular basis to disable these pirate systems.

What you need to do is upgrade to a 33 inch or larger motorized dish in order to receive legitimate unencrypted channels that never "go down".

[PwrSurge]

I'm not sure , but Ive been going to the FTA forums, and it seems that all KBox are down, have been down before xmas, got it back up for a few days, now its back down again. really sick of it.

Again, any FTA receiver can be used legitimately with a motorized dish, even KBox. These so called FTA forums are making reference to the KBox shared subscription server which is NOT required for a legitimate system.

A lot of people do not realize how risky it is to connect their FTA receiver to these so called IKS servers. Once these servers start getting busted by the authorities, a list of IP addresses can be easily gathered. Then, a simple court order to each ISP would allow the authorities to obtain contact information and serve everyone who was connected to the server. This already started happening in the US and Canada will soon follow!

My advice to everyone is to get a legitimate setup instead and never have to worry about your receiver "going down" or getting served with a lawsuit. Feel free to PM me if you want info on someone who install these legitimate motorized satellite dishes.

[teoconca]

Please guys don't go off track, keep this thread with OTA. Please create another thread for FTA.

[ishi]

Hi,

Does anyone know of a place where I can buy a Channel Master in central/east Toronto or Scarborough.

All the places selling the Channel Masters I have seen are either way in the west in Mississauga or north of Toronto. I would prefer to buy more local so I don't have to do a lot of traveling. I don't want to deal with online ordering either(too much hassle).

Thanks.

[lith29]

I found a place at hwy 7 and keele, still waiting for the guys reply .

http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/ele/1562984206.html

[Imago]

Hi all,

I'm from Saskatchewan but will be in Toronto shortly and I'd like to help my sister get some OTA HD channels which I understand you can get from the CN Tower and Buffalo with the right antenna. She is cancelling her cable and has replaced her ancient 26" CRT TV with a 40" Sony XBR LCD I found for her at the Sears clearance center here in Regina. I think she'll notice quite an improvement!

She lives 2 blocks south of the Pape/Danforth subway station on Harcourt.

What antenna do you recommend and should I also get a preamplifier?

Are the 4 bay clones for around $20.00 anywhere near as good as the Channelmasters? If I go with a hannelmaster would you recommend the 4221 or 4228?

Her house is a 2.5 story town house with easy access to the roof where I could mount the antenna facing in almost any southerly direction. Do I need actual line of sight to the CN Tower or will it work ok with a house in the way? She's pretty high up in Greektown. Do I split the difference from this location between Buffalo and the CN Tower or will I need 2 antennas?

Sorry for all the questions but I need to hit the ground running when I'm there.

Best regards.

[Inno]

Hi all,

I'm from Saskatchewan but will be in Toronto shortly and I'd like to help my sister get some OTA HD channels which I understand you can get from the CN Tower and Buffalo with the right antenna. She is cancelling her cable and has replaced her ancient 26" CRT TV with a 40" Sony XBR LCD I found for her at the Sears clearance center here in Regina. I think she'll notice quite an improvement!

She lives 2 blocks south of the Pape/Danforth subway station on Harcourt.

What antenna do you recommend and should I also get a preamplifier?

Are the 4 bay clones for around $20.00 anywhere near as good as the Channelmasters? If I go with a hannelmaster would you recommend the 4221 or 4228?

Her house is a 2.5 story town house with easy access to the roof where I could mount the antenna facing in almost any southerly direction. Do I need actual line of sight to the CN Tower or will it work ok with a house in the way? She's pretty high up in Greektown. Do I split the difference from this location between Buffalo and the CN Tower or will I need 2 antennas?

Sorry for all the questions but I need to hit the ground running when I'm there.

Best regards.

Hi, I am just a couple km east of her in a similar situation. I went with a single 4221 since it has a wider beam and I get all the Buffalo and CN Tower stations. At $50 I wasn`t going to try a clone to save a few $ since the bigger cost is the labour and effort to install. I didn`t want to do it more than once.

I sort of split the difference on the angle. The CN Tower is almost due west for me and Buffalo is about due south. I played around with the antenna to find the best reception. You will need to do the same.

I do not use a pre-amp. If you can get the ant. as high a possible on the roof it will help. I used one of the J-brackets, about 40 inches tall, screwed to a little cross-brace of 2X6 screwed up at the peak of the 3rd storey, south side of the house. You can mount it with the ant. a bit loose so your can tune the direction a bit.

You don`t need actual line-of-sight but the fewer obstacles the better.

Withe my setup I get about 20 or so HD stations and a bunch of others. No complaints. Better picture than SD satellite from Bell, and saves about $60 per month.

[dell11]

i am in mississauga and have my antenna mounted on top of the house and Facing towards US and still i get the Canadian channels coz i am not far from CN Tower and my antenna is this model (http://angelelectronics.ca/store/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=18_11&products_id=82&osCsid=15cf7fa68289b3e055e54980ddbb4eb3)
and its giving me in toal 20 HD and around 10 Analog with Pre-Amp (http://angelelectronics.ca/store/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=18_43&products_id=239&osCsid=15cf7fa68289b3e055e54980ddbb4eb3)

Can you give me the intersection you are at in Mississauga? What channels are you getting from Toronto and buffalo? I have the 4221 clone and am having trouble getting CTV, global and Fox, so I am hoping that you can get them with this antenna?

[zoolander]

Can you give me the intersection you are at in Mississauga? What channels are you getting from Toronto and buffalo? I have the 4221 clone and am having trouble getting CTV, global and Fox, so I am hoping that you can get them with this antenna?

If you can get these channels some of the time, since they are both CDN and US, your fixes are likely in this order:

1. Raise the antenna
2. Turn it more towards each direction, if you get them consistently in their respective directions, you'll need 2 antennas and combine them
3. If you get them marginally with one antenna and you've raised the height, try a preamp you can return
4. Both 2 & 3
5. Start with a real 4221HD is what I recommend to most people with less than ideal conditions, and remove the black clips/invert the balun for also a slight gain in reception

[zoolander]

OTA Superbowl will be HD, and unlike our CDN cable providers, uncompressed HD and with the US commercials :D

[ppl4golf]

If you can get these channels some of the time, since they are both CDN and US, your fixes are likely in this order:

1. Raise the antenna
2. Turn it more towards each direction, if you get them consistently in their respective directions, you'll need 2 antennas and combine them
3. If you get them marginally with one antenna and you've raised the height, try a preamp you can return
4. Both 2 & 3
5. Start with a real 4221HD is what I recommend to most people with less than ideal conditions, and remove the black clips/invert the balun for also a slight gain in reception


OTA Superbowl will be HD, and unlike our CDN cable providers, uncompressed HD and with the US commercials :D

Do what Derek said and do it quick...

[bogey]

A preamp (very important to mounted near the antenna) might help if you need to run anything longer than ~30ft of coax (the RG-6 coax loses about 50% power for every 50ft or so).

For permanent mounts you might as well go with a Channelmaster (http://www.channelmaster.com/product-overview.php?proID=35&catID=33).

But if you just want to hack around, the Digiwave (http://www.digiwavetechnologies.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=278) from http://www.techdirectcanada.ca/ for $12.99 is reasonably robust (the main outward difference is that the CM has two metal booms held apart with metal separators, while the Digiwave has only one metal boom with the front bowties positioned on plastic pieces).
For $12.99 you can't even buy the metal rods to build it yourself.

Performance-wise I don't get the feeling there is a huge difference from user feedbacks.

[sintox]

Anyone from Ottawa and what are the channels you can get ?

I so want that Digiwave antenna at $13 but we don't have that store in Ottawa or Montreal.

:( :(

[xrvr]

OTA Superbowl will be HD, and unlike our CDN cable providers, uncompressed HD and with the US commercials :D

First time in 15 years I'll be watching superbowl, just because of these commercials :)
My balcony is facing lake and I'm getting almost all Buffalo channels.

[prettyha8]

OTA Superbowl will be HD, and unlike our CDN cable providers, uncompressed HD and with the US commercials :D

I too watched the Superbowl tonight on OTA. I noticed the CTV HD feed was more crisp and had less residual artifacts than the CBS HD feed. Of course I switched to CBS during commercial time. = D

On Monday's I watch 24 on global as it is 1080, and Fox is in 720.

[dell11]

If you can get these channels some of the time, since they are both CDN and US, your fixes are likely in this order:

1. Raise the antenna
2. Turn it more towards each direction, if you get them consistently in their respective directions, you'll need 2 antennas and combine them
3. If you get them marginally with one antenna and you've raised the height, try a preamp you can return
4. Both 2 & 3
5. Start with a real 4221HD is what I recommend to most people with less than ideal conditions, and remove the black clips/invert the balun for also a slight gain in reception

I can't raise the antenna. When I go more directional with the antenna, the channels come in.

What preamp do you suggest? Is this good or crap: http://angelelectronics.ca/store/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=18_43&products_id=239&osCsid=ccc678eaf6bd328450112969153e43fc

Also, I am using a 4221 DIGIWAVE CLONE, would going to an antenna like this help?

http://angelelectronics.ca/store/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=18_11&products_id=61&osCsid=ccc678eaf6bd328450112969153e43fc

I'd think shooting towards Buffalo and hope to catch Toronto from the side? I am in Brampton...

Your help is greatly appreciated...

[rxfrank88]

Forget about the clones. I bought one of the clones but had lousy reception. I finally bouht teh CM. day and night. All channels come in.

[ppl4golf]

Forget about the clones. I bought one of the clones but had lousy reception. I finally bouht teh CM. day and night. All channels come in.
+1!

I can't raise the antenna. When I go more directional with the antenna, the channels come in.

What preamp do you suggest? Is this good or crap: http://angelelectronics.ca/store/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=18_43&products_id=239&osCsid=ccc678eaf6bd328450112969153e43fc

Also, I am using a 4221 DIGIWAVE CLONE, would going to an antenna like this help?

http://angelelectronics.ca/store/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=18_11&products_id=61&osCsid=ccc678eaf6bd328450112969153e43fc

I'd think shooting towards Buffalo and hope to catch Toronto from the side? I am in Brampton...

Your help is greatly appreciated...

See above.
Clones are ok if you get decent 'LOS'. There is a difference when the signal is marginal. Get CM4221 and CM7778 and that would give you the best chance. Heck, you might need 2 4221HD. Read Derek Z's posts again...if you wanna risk it, gang another clone may be good enough. Pre-amp is good too.

[dell11]

+1!


See above.
Clones are ok if you get decent 'LOS'. There is a difference when the signal is marginal. Get CM4221 and CM7778 and that would give you the best chance. Heck, you might need 2 4221HD. Read Derek Z's posts again...if you wanna risk it, gang another clone may be good enough. Pre-amp is good too.

What about the pre-amp link I added earlier. Is that any good? The website says it has more gain than the CM 7778

[zoolander]

You should consult other people in Brampton under "Reception Results" in DigitalHomeForum. Over amplification can also have detrimental effects to UHF/VHF depending on your area.

For instance, I have to use a conservative preamp, HDP269, because CH is directly in front of the further Buffalo towers in my LOS.

[brandon__park]

39.99$ at http://geosatcanada.com/channel_master

[canadathink]

39.99$ at http://geosatcanada.com/channel_master

Channel Master 4221HD 4-bay HDTV/UHF TV Antenna(CM4221HD) $39.99 (http://angelelectronics.ca/store/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=62&products_id=78)

[Kameo]

We were told about this forum from our customers! We recommend people go where ever you like to get a channel master product does not matter go to Markham, scarborough, downtown, mississauga or anywhere. If you can get it for $5 cheaper then i would if it was close by it makes no sense to save $5 if you have to drive for 30 minutes. Our aim was to thank people our customers and redflagdeals as we had customers coming to us and we ask them where did you hear about us and a few said RFD, so we sponsored this forum and wanted to give back to another canadian company RFD by sponsoring them. If we had to give $5 off to give less of a service we would rather not! our aim is to have a place for people to ask advice, to ask for help on grounding, mounting, distribution amps, preamps and towers.

We will never scarfice $5 for customer service or a place where you go to a mailbox or by appointment or call a number and leave a message. Also we pride ourselves for having all the products from mounting (eaves, 3",6",12",18" brackets), antennas not just the 4221HD, belden grounding wire, grounding rods. All quaility named brand products and free advice and help not just pickup and go. Channel Master is a 60 year old company with the greatest products and a wealth of experience which not only reflects in its antenna but complimentry products distribution amps, and preamps. We love the channel master line and will only sell genuine products no clones from companies that pride themselves on best quality! People try and copy from the best but its tried tested and proven as every OTA forum will tell you!

Again the main reason we came online is because people told us we were mentioned here and we would like to thank all those people that said such positive things!

All we can say is WE LOVE CHANNEL MASTER products and they have a complete line of OTA gear does not matter where you buy it from, but one thing is for sure if you try one you will love it as much as we do!

Now im going to watch more free HDTV!

You guys sound very knowledgeable and decent. My wife and I are coming over on Tues. after work to learn more about the Channel Master 4221HD.

[TWD09]

What about this one? $39.99

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-electronics-HD-04B-HD-Antenna-W0QQAdIdZ224754320

[ppl4golf]

What about this one? $39.99

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-electronics-HD-04B-HD-Antenna-W0QQAdIdZ224754320

What about this one (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/search.php?searchid=90299) ?

AND

What about this one (http://www.techsourcecanada.ca/store/flyer.html) middle right of the flyer that looked the same for $15.xx ???

[Kameo]

What about this one? $39.99

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-electronics-HD-04B-HD-Antenna-W0QQAdIdZ224754320

Looks like the Channel Master but doesn't say so, and the model # is different. I think I'll stay the course and go check out Save and Replay...

[redflagged2006]

ok thanks, does anyone have one in the north york area, around yonge and finch, also is there a store around this area that sells one.

thank you

I have a coat hanger HD antenna out on my condo balcony facing east at yonge and finch. THe antenna is facing south with a narrow view and lots of buildings in front. I get all the major US and Canadian networks. abc, cbs, fox, citytv, ctv, cbc, chch, omni 1 + 2, global, sun tv, cw, and a few others..

[lith29]

lol thats pretty amazing, What floor are u on?
thanks.


I have a coat hanger HD antenna out on my condo balcony facing east at yonge and finch. THe antenna is facing south with a narrow view and lots of buildings in front. I get all the major US and Canadian networks. abc, cbs, fox, citytv, ctv, cbc, chch, omni 1 + 2, global, sun tv, cw, and a few others..

[redflagged2006]

lol thats pretty amazing, What floor are u on?
thanks.

The 11th... I got the channel master also for the heck of it and More or less I get the same stuff.

[FerrisB]

My sister north of Orangeville and wants to cancel her satellite TV service. She is willing to put an antenna on the roof.

Any recommendations for the best Antenna for the money given her distance from Buffalo/TO?

Also, will any ATSC tuner do if it's not built into her TV?


I'm thinking between these 3. Which is better?
Antenna Direct DB4e (http://www.angelelectronicsshop.com/servlet/the-514/Antennas-Direct-Antenna%2C-Antennas/Detail)
Antenna Direct DB8 (http://www.angelelectronicsshop.com/servlet/the-3/Antennas-Direct-Antenna%2C-Antennas/Detail)
Channel Master 8-bay (http://www.angelelectronicsshop.com/servlet/the-16/channel-master-4228%2C-channelmaster/Detail)