F me! CTS isn't reliable at all!

[weedb0y]

Some of you may know that I've been looking for a perfect upgrade to my Integra for quite a while now.

Have been researching for a while, from BMWs to TSX to G35 to CTS. I have almost signing the paperwork last week for a 05 CTS when I came across CadillacForums.com and found out folks having issues with shocks, head gaskets (and I thought GM fixed this dreaded problem of theirs) and unavailability of normal wear and tear parts in their dealer network.

I was at e46Toronto forums and those guys are crying over their 03-04s BMWs dying at 165-190,000KM mileage. Even my old sunfire was still smooth over 320K and my current integra is awesome at 170K.

What can one buy that handles like an Integra for around 12-15K? :(

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e29/tommycompton/lo1.jpg

[TenzoR]

Perhaps a late model IS300 or newer IS250/350?

[Debonair]

what did you find wrong with the TSX? I love mine so far :)

[thephenom]

I was at e46Toronto forums and those guys are crying over their 03-04s BMWs dying at 165-190,000KM mileage. Even my old sunfire was still smooth over 320K and my current integra is awesome at 170K.

What can one buy that handles like an Integra for around 12-15K? :(
Simple explanation. People don't make threads that says their e46 has over 200k. Forums are generally used for people to post about problems, not about people boasting how reliable their cars are. So unless you see an overwhelming amount of similar post, I'd just ignore. And IMO, any car that's been properly maintained shouldn't be dying so early.

[shinichi]

CTS???
check this place, even GM fans admit it, CTS is one of the worst car in term of reliability.
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f15/cadillac-cts-vs-jag-xf-quality-we-now-see-whos-better-76493/

[maniacshopper]

hey weedboy, is it just a regular CTS or CTS-V? just curious.
Caddy's don't have a reputation for reliability. That reputation for GM goes to Buick I'm afraid.

[ES_Revenge]

... I came across CadillacForums.com and found out folks having issues with shocks, head gaskets (and I thought GM fixed this dreaded problem of theirs) and unavailability of normal wear and tear parts in their dealer network.

I was at e46Toronto forums and those guys are crying over their 03-04s BMWs dying at 165-190,000KM mileage. Even my old sunfire was still smooth over 320K and my current integra is awesome at 170K.

Go on any car forum, and go in the troubleshooting/problems section. They are always full of problems. I don't care whether it's a Corolla forum or a Pinto forum, you're always going to read about problems in owner's forums for specific model cars. That's what those forums are there for afterall.

Car, all cars, have things go wrong with them. When you search out a place where those problems are listed and talked about, I'm not sure how it's surprising to find out about them :confused:

[bythehour]

+1. On-line forums tend to be disproportionately represented by complainers.

Most modern cars are reliable, unless there is an inherent design defect.

Even for cars/brands that are supposedly "bad", take a look at the stats. If you do the math, the defect rate for the most awful cars really aren't that bad. Twice as many defects as the most reliable cars usually means 3 defects vs. 1.5 defects per car...most of which are sorted out in the first dealership visit by the new owner.

[Kayne]

So you start a thread slamming a car and you dont even own one? :confused:

I hope that picture was not the car you had intended on buying as it needs a few gallons of De ricer ASAP!

The shock problem is most likely a wheel hop issues that some drag racers experience under full load.

[weedb0y]

So you start a thread slamming a car and you dont even own one? :confused:

I hope that picture was not the car you had intended on buying as it needs a few gallons of De ricer ASAP!

The shock problem is most likely a wheel hop issues that some drag racers experience under full load.

I backed out of my deal. Last thing I want is a lemon. Folks on the Caddilacforums are complaining about parts being out of stock due to recent GM fiasco.

Maybe TSX might be the deal.

[BMWWW]

An old civic hatchback?

Seriously, do you even think?-- You're asking for a car that will handle like your 2500- well under 3000lbs integra, and go looking at CTS's, TSX's, and e46's?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

PRO-TIP: There is NO modern-day car that will have the light-handling of your 199x integra--not for 12-15 thousand dollars anyways.

[weedb0y]

An old civic hatchback?

Seriously, do you even think?-- You're asking for a car that will handle like your 2500- well under 3000lbs integra, and go looking at CTS's, TSX's, and e46's?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

PRO-TIP: There is NO modern-day car that will have the light-handling of your 199x integra--not for 12-15 thousand dollars anyways.

When did I ask about a 'light handling' car? I just want something that isn't a boat.

I love how Audis handle but unfortunately, I am not renting aka leasing a car. I was going for the BMW but Maxbimmer and e46 both recommended against grabbing a used 04+ BMW 3 series. You seem knowledgeable in this? Mind telling me why?

http://www.tuningemotion.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6042




Another one for the love!
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p72/Waywardx/IMGP0542.jpg

[thephenom]

When did I ask about a 'light handling' car? I just want something that isn't a boat.

I love how Audis handle but unfortunately, I am not renting aka leasing a car. I was going for the BMW but Maxbimmer and e46 both recommended against grabbing a used 04+ BMW 3 series. You seem knowledgeable in this? Mind telling me why?

http://www.tuningemotion.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6042

It's hard to get the best of both worlds IMO. You're going to have to sacrifice one thing for another, in your case, you're basically choose between performance/handling and reliability. CTS is nice, but how is that not a boat relative to your integra?

Now if you're talking about similar to your Integra, for 12-15k, you could look at another Honda, RSX? (Maybe Type-S) 06 Si? Early 2000 S2k? Miata? Yeah a bunch of ricer cars, a fairly big compromise on power, but you still get relatively light weight and reliable cars. (Although they'll each have their own problems)

Or better yet, save yourself $12-15k and keep driving the Integra. :D

[BMWWW]

When did I ask about a 'light handling' car? I just want something that isn't a boat.

I love how Audis handle but unfortunately, I am not renting aka leasing a car. I was going for the BMW but Maxbimmer and e46 both recommended against grabbing a used 04+ BMW 3 series. You seem knowledgeable in this? Mind telling me why?

http://www.tuningemotion.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6042




Another one for the love!


I think that there is no better definition of a boat than a CTS. They handle quite well, but are a boat nonetheless, when compared to your integra.

German cars, in general, will all feel like a well made, well appointed, luxurious, boat in comparison to your lively integra. There's no way to sugar coat it.

I think you need to re-evaluate your criteria and requirements-- cause at this very moment, you seem to be way out of your element. (You're asking for something that doesn't feel like a boat, but then you say you like audi's.. From boat to less of a boat: Mercedes>Audi>BMW for the germans. The Caddy will probably fit between Audi and BMW, and your integra will be at the extreme end. All of these Germans and Caddy weight a LOT compared to your Integra, and that's because they offer a WHOLE lot more than just your run-of-the-mill, A-TO-B car.

Good luck.

[Quiggie]

What is wrong with the TSX? It sounds exactly like what you're looking for.

[tmkf_patryk]

get a vette, they handle like a dream =)
http://photos-b.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v239/172/13/671574934/n671574934_844129_4846.jpg

[CaptSmethwick]

I'll admit my bias right from the get-go. I have an '09 CTS-4 DI and absolutely love it. I will also echo the comments posted by ES_Revenge and bythehour - any forum is populated by people griping on quality. I hang around (from time to time) on Cadillacforums.com and see a whole range of posts - a lot of posts seeking advice on mods, trouble-shooting, etc. - the typical stuff.

An '05 CTS? JD Power rates it as among the most dependable of entry level luxury cars. http://www.jdpower.com/autos/Cadillac/CTS/2005/Sedan/ratings. Its respondents" main knock against it? Interior design. If you've found one that strikes your fancy, go for it. If you're still afraid of its reliability, by all means pass on it - we're all entitled to our views and fears. Unfortunately, if you're consistent, you'll also have to pass on anything from Audi, BMW, MB, or Volvo as you won't find anything of that vintage from those mfrs that will satisfy your worst reliability anxieties.

[z24driver1986]

can you pick up an extended warranty?

[B0000rt]

Umm, that's CLEARLY a STS not a CTS. ;)

When did I ask about a 'light handling' car? I just want something that isn't a boat.

I love how Audis handle but unfortunately, I am not renting aka leasing a car. I was going for the BMW but Maxbimmer and e46 both recommended against grabbing a used 04+ BMW 3 series. You seem knowledgeable in this? Mind telling me why?

http://www.tuningemotion.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6042




Another one for the love!
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p72/Waywardx/IMGP0542.jpg

[JackyLiu]

What can one buy that handles like an Integra for around 12-15K? :(



-2000 onwards Toyota Celica GT-S (double wishbone rear suspension)
-Lexus IS300 (double wishbone at all 4 wheels just like the Integra)

[weedb0y]

Umm, that's CLEARLY a STS not a CTS. ;)

I was hoping you wouldnt catch that ;)

It just looked too sleek for an 'old man's car'

[Quiggie]

Another car you might consider is a Saab 9-2x although for that price it'll be the non-turbo version.

[TheRide]

+1 for a TSX. I'd recommend a TL but it would exceed your budget.

[AzN_RiverdaleCI]

I thought you already narrowed it down between the CTS and the G35.....

[alex_d10]

What's wrong with the tsx? I bet it's not enough power for you. But personally, out of all the cars you've listed, I'd get a tsx or tl.

And to the guy who claimed any bmw will run for a while if maintained properly, I've seen horrors of brand new cars (an x5 and a 5-series my relatives had) being constantly in and out of the dealership for under-warranty repairs in their first years on the road. They literally had a loaner 3 series for a longer time than their car (since 2007).

[Jon04CTS]

The amount of speculation and lack of actual knowledge in this thread is astounding.

[weedb0y]

The amount of speculation and lack of actual knowledge in this thread is astounding.

Care to elaborate? What should I look for and shouldn't look for in a CTS then?

I was at Cadillacforums and even afterasking regular folks, no one really recommended 'in-warranty' repairs and lack of parts availability?

[RaidZero]

Jon04CTS, absolutely right. I as well have a 04 CTS and I am very happy with its reliability. I would buy a 09 tomorrow if I could :)
OP, get real reliability data from http://www.truedelta.com/
Everybody, register and let's see a real reliability rating, not one based on 3-5 cars, or even 3-5 hundreds.

[boyoflondon]

+1 for a TSX. I'd recommend a TL but it would exceed your budget.


Good luck even finding a TSX at his price range ...

[CaptSmethwick]

Care to elaborate? What should I look for and shouldn't look for in a CTS then?

I was at Cadillacforums and even afterasking regular folks, no one really recommended 'in-warranty' repairs and lack of parts availability?

So, you're basing your decision on this thread (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-cts-forum-2003-through-2007/166004-how-reliable-cts.html)? It seems like you are looking for somebody to say that there are no concerns about head gaskets but you never specified what engine you were considering. No criticism intended but I don't see how you can go from the mostly-positive posts I see on that thread to the inflammatory title of this one. Still, you're obviously sensing something that worries you or is otherwise making you hesitate about pulling the trigger on one. Perfectly understandable.

If you go with the 3.6L, you should be fine - it simply does not have the reputation for head gasket problems that you seem to suspect. Although, as one poster pointed out, buying used can be a crapshoot regardless of what you buy. If you pick up an '06 or later, though, there's a 160k kms powertrain warranty to help assuage your worries - but you're looking at an '05.

BTW, we wasted our money on the extended warranty for our '04 SRX.

[Gloaming]

try an older G35 coupe

[ES_Revenge]

PRO-TIP: There is NO modern-day car that will have the light-handling of your 199x integra--not for 12-15 thousand dollars anyways.
So I guess the Integra had to be the "best handling car evar" then eh? :rolleyes:

Gimme a break, Integra wasn't even that great...

[B0000rt]

The amount of speculation and lack of actual knowledge in this thread is astounding.

What, you telling us GM remembered how to make RWD and there's no problem with the rear diff on the CTS? ;)

[weedb0y]

Good luck even finding a TSX at his price range ...

I've seen both TL and TSX's at local dealerships for similar price range. Just 10K more on the mileage.

I just found the TSX very bland looking, but maybe, just maybe.

There's another 04 TL for $13.5 at a dealership, carfax and everything.

[Engi-Nir]

I've seen both TL and TSX's at local dealerships for similar price range. Just 10K more on the mileage.

I just found the TSX very bland looking, but maybe, just maybe.

There's another 04 TL for $13.5 at a dealership, carfax and everything.

http://www.hondacarforum.com/acura-technical/29758-2004-acura-tl-transmission-problems.html

may have transmission issues, and they said to check out http://acurazine.com

I remember hearing something about transmission issues on 04TL

[bahasad]

We have an 04 TL, and as Engi-nir said, it has been to the shop for transmission issues, but fortunately, our one doesn't have major failures like other Hondas with the V6.

Other than that, the TL is by far the favourite car in our family. My dad and I always argue over who gets to take it. It is quite fast (at least compared to our 1.6L 100 horsepower Toyota Corolla), has better handling than all of the other cars we owned, decent on gas (compared to our 06 Pilot), looks good, and is very comfortable and fairly luxurious. I would recommend it if everything is well maintained, but for some reason I think for 13.5K it might have issues.

A TSX is good too, I don't know how it's bland (I guess it is a fairly common car). It would probably be better for you as its reliable, better on gas, might be more like the Integra. I also think it is within your price range, as one of my friends is looking at it (he has same budget constraints as you).

[Jon04CTS]

Care to elaborate? What should I look for and shouldn't look for in a CTS then?

I was at Cadillacforums and even afterasking regular folks, no one really recommended 'in-warranty' repairs and lack of parts availability?

Yes. I'm on the Caddy forums a lot. I go by 'Jon' there.

If you are searching for problems you will find them. That goes for any car, on any car forum. No one goes to a forum and posts "wow my car is running perfect."

If you're going to buy one get a '04 and up with the 3.6L or 2.8L. The 3.2L wasn't that great. However, I know there are many high mileage ones out there running fine. Including a local one that is supercharged and sees quite a bit of track time.


What, you telling us GM remembered how to make RWD and there's no problem with the rear diff on the CTS? ;)

The rear diff on the CTS isn't bad. My father's daily is a '04. Still on the original diff. Believe me when I say this car was driven hard.

Rear diff on the CTS-V is a different story. If you don't know how to launch a car properly you'll get axle hop. If you're stupid and don't let off, and just let the car off, eventually you'll run into problems. My V has a lot of hard miles on it. It is on the original diff.

[Jon Lai]

Sorry but, OP, since when were GMs known to be reliable? People buy them for different reasons - they're cheap, they're (apparently) domestic (but they're not), etc.

I agree with others, go pick up a Japanese TSX/TL, IS350, or G35 and you'll be much happier, in terms of reliability.

[ES_Revenge]

Rear diff on the CTS-V is a different story. If you don't know how to launch a car properly you'll get axle hop. If you're stupid and don't let off, and just let the car off, eventually you'll run into problems. My V has a lot of hard miles on it. It is on the original diff.
They revised the diff somewhere along the way though, no? In like 06 or something?

[Jon04CTS]

Sorry but, OP, since when were GMs known to be reliable? People buy them for different reasons - they're cheap, they're (apparently) domestic (but they're not), etc.

I agree with others, go pick up a Japanese TSX/TL, IS350, or G35 and you'll be much happier, in terms of reliability.

Speaking out of your ass.

[Jon04CTS]

They revised the diff somewhere along the way though, no? In like 06 or something?

In '06 the V's got a slightly revised diff. And by slightly I mean REALLY slightly.

[SkiD]

Sorry but, OP, since when were GMs known to be reliable? People buy them for different reasons - they're cheap, they're (apparently) domestic (but they're not), etc.

I agree with others, go pick up a Japanese TSX/TL, IS350, or G35 and you'll be much happier, in terms of reliability.

To paraphrase Jon Lai, "All GM's are crap regardless of model and year built and all Toyota's ever built are great and anyone who believes otherwise is wrong".

I hope people reading these forums aren't that naive.

[Jon04CTS]

To paraphrase Jon Lai, "All GM's are crap regardless of model and year built and all Toyota's ever built are great and anyone who believes otherwise is wrong".

I hope people reading these forums aren't that naive.

Drives me nuts when uninformed people spread crap like that.. It's like herpes.

A lot of dumb people have this mentality. If an import breaks down it's the owner's fault.. They didn't maintain it or whatnot. If the wiper blades on a domestic get worn out, then it's "stupid piece of crap American car!!!!!!"

[thephenom]

To paraphrase Jon Lai, "All GM's are crap regardless of model and year built and all Toyota's ever built are great and anyone who believes otherwise is wrong".

I hope people reading these forums aren't that naive.

You mean it wasn't an act of god that my rear caliper was sticking on my Honda? I always thought Honda had perfect reliability. So when i thought I had sticky caliper, I thought it really was an act of god.

[Jon04CTS]

You mean it wasn't an act of god that my rear caliper was sticking on my Honda? I always thought Honda had perfect reliability. So when i thought I had sticky caliper, I thought it really was an act of god.

It's your fault for hitting the brakes too hard. Hondas never fail!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[thephenom]

It's your fault for hitting the brakes too hard. Hondas never fail!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

Makes a certain amount of sense! I guess by losing some weight, the internal parts might stop rattling too. :D

[Quiggie]

I also have an 04 TL and have had no transmission issues. It was the 02-03 TLs that had the transmission issues. Mine shifts very smooth and the gearing is such that I'm only at 2000 rpm at 120 km/h. As a result, highway mileage is around 33-34 mpg.

But I would be concerned if you found one for $13k, probably very high mileage and worn out, or some other issue. It's worth paying a little extra for a better maintained car with lower mileage.

[Engi-Nir]

Sorry but, OP, since when were GMs known to be reliable? People buy them for different reasons - they're cheap, they're (apparently) domestic (but they're not), etc.

I agree with others, go pick up a Japanese TSX/TL, IS350, or G35 and you'll be much happier, in terms of reliability.

I don't get these GM fanboys on this forum, give it up people, GM is crap, my dad keeps buying GM, one malibu 8.5yrs later, I sell it cause I thought it was going to blow up, funny thing it never had any issues, now he has another GM car 5.5yrs old, no real issues yet....but I BET it will blow up! I had a g6, 3yrs no issues but than again it was flluke ;) I drive a corolla now, and no issues with it either. Crazy dad wants to get a CTS in a year...

I hear so many stories of GM cars breaking down right after being purchased new and barely makes it out of the dealer parking lot. Thank gud for the warranty.

[ES_Revenge]

I don't get these GM fanboys on this forum, give it up people, GM is crap, my dad keeps buying GM, one malibu 8.5yrs later, I sell it cause I thought it was going to blow up, funny thing it never had any issues, now he has another GM car 5.5yrs old, no real issues yet....but I BET it will blow up! I had a g6, 3yrs no issues but than again it was flluke ;) I drive a corolla now, and no issues with it either. Crazy dad wants to get a CTS in a year...

I hear so many stories of GM cars breaking down right after being purchased new and barely makes it out of the dealer parking lot. Thank gud for the warranty.

:lol: :D

[B0000rt]

The rear diff on the CTS isn't bad. My father's daily is a '04. Still on the original diff. Believe me when I say this car was driven hard.

Rear diff on the CTS-V is a different story. If you don't know how to launch a car properly you'll get axle hop. If you're stupid and don't let off, and just let the car off, eventually you'll run into problems. My V has a lot of hard miles on it. It is on the original diff.

GM Forgot how to make Rear wheel drive:
http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/7/vrdb-bdrv/search/RecallDetail.aspx?lang=e&mk=6869!1870&md=CTS&fy=0&ty=9999&ft=&ls=0&sy=0&rn=2007417&cf=SearchResult&pg=-1

;)

[chriswalsh]

Sorry but, OP, since when were GMs known to be reliable? People buy them for different reasons - they're cheap, they're (apparently) domestic (but they're not), etc.

All Cadillacs sold in North America are built here.... Hamtramck, Lansing, Texas, or Kentucky. Designed in Michigan. How is that not domestic?

As far as reliability goes, some models are known for being reliable, others aren't... just like most other manufacturers vehicles.


Drives me nuts when uninformed people spread crap like that.. It's like herpes.

A lot of dumb people have this mentality. If an import breaks down it's the owner's fault.. They didn't maintain it or whatnot. If the wiper blades on a domestic get worn out, then it's "stupid piece of crap American car!!!!!!"

Works out beautifully if youre on the market for a used vehicle though :D

[CaptSmethwick]

Drives me nuts when uninformed people spread crap like that.. It's like herpes.

A lot of dumb people have this mentality. If an import breaks down it's the owner's fault.. They didn't maintain it or whatnot. If the wiper blades on a domestic get worn out, then it's "stupid piece of crap American car!!!!!!"

Sadly, all you and SkiD are doing is feeding the misguided trolls. The OP is actually not interested in genuine feedback on a CTS.

Moving on...

[Jon04CTS]

GM Forgot how to make Rear wheel drive:
http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/7/vrdb-bdrv/search/RecallDetail.aspx?lang=e&mk=6869!1870&md=CTS&fy=0&ty=9999&ft=&ls=0&sy=0&rn=2007417&cf=SearchResult&pg=-1

;)


So they came out with a better seal and recalled it, hence fixing the problem. How is that forgetting how to make rear wheel drive? People like you crack me up.

[ashhabib]

Some of you may know that I've been looking for a perfect upgrade to my Integra for quite a while now.

Have been researching for a while, from BMWs to TSX to G35 to CTS. I have almost signing the paperwork last week for a 05 CTS when I came across CadillacForums.com and found out folks having issues with shocks, head gaskets (and I thought GM fixed this dreaded problem of theirs) and unavailability of normal wear and tear parts in their dealer network.

I was at e46Toronto forums and those guys are crying over their 03-04s BMWs dying at 165-190,000KM mileage. Even my old sunfire was still smooth over 320K and my current integra is awesome at 170K.

What can one buy that handles like an Integra for around 12-15K? :(

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e29/tommycompton/lo1.jpg

LOL, I saw this car on my way home from work

[Jon Lai]

All Cadillacs sold in North America are built here.... Hamtramck, Lansing, Texas, or Kentucky. Designed in Michigan. How is that not domestic?

Because in terms of being domestic, it has to be made in Canada, not the crappy States. Last time I looked at a pay, Lansing, Texas, and Kentucky are either cities or states south of the border.

We're Canadian, not American.

On another hand, Toyotas are built here in Canada. I can never understand why people think American-built GMs are domestic whereas Canadian built Toyotas are imports. Yea, we import them from Cambridge, a full 1hr away from GTA.

Get real.

[weedb0y]

Honestly, thats what I wanted to hear. Real life experiences with 3.6L vs 2.8L (which I was considering).

I looked at few CTS on the road and damn, quite honestly, it looks 10x better than G35 Sedan and TSX.

I admit, they will not be like my integra in handling, however, I am not looking for Camry/Buick feel either. That's all. :)

I am surprised no one mentioned 2004+ Nissan Maximas. They are dirt cheap (under 10gz).

[ES_Revenge]

I am surprised no one mentioned 2004+ Nissan Maximas. They are dirt cheap (under 10gz).
Probably because they are so forgettable (why they haven't been mentioned and why they are cheap). I maintain my standing that the Maxima has been getting slowly more and more irrelevant since the 2002 Altima. Today, with the current gen Altima sedan and coupe, I see no point in the Maxima at all.

[tdott]

Screw all the crap you hear, don't listen to everyone's anecdotal BS, use objective facts as evidence.

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/9067/bmwcts.jpg

[tdott]

Actually here are the full reliability reports for the 3 cars.
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/9305/bmwv.jpg
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7250/ctsh.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/5526/g35.jpg

I didn't include the TSX because really it shouldn't be considered in this class, it is not RWD and also pretty bland in comparison to these cars above. But it is as reliable as it gets. (just like a corrola) which i dont think the OP is looking for. I don't like how they handle, ride more like a boat than the above and body roll just like it.

[tdott]

Forgot the A4.

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6475/35089762.jpg

[bahasad]

3-series looks pretty reliable from the above. Not bad at all.

But I did hear that Consumer Reports Reliability Ratings aren't perfect.

[tdott]

But I did hear that Consumer Reports Reliability Ratings aren't perfect.

Nothing is perfect, there are too many variables, but they do a good job at providing objective information based on a large number of sources.

Much better than the heresay anecdotal crap you hear from people.

[Debonair]

Honestly, thats what I wanted to hear. Real life experiences with 3.6L vs 2.8L (which I was considering).

I looked at few CTS on the road and damn, quite honestly, it looks 10x better than G35 Sedan and TSX.

I admit, they will not be like my integra in handling, however, I am not looking for Camry/Buick feel either. That's all. :)

I am surprised no one mentioned 2004+ Nissan Maximas. They are dirt cheap (under 10gz).


my opinion is the exact opposite... don't find the CTS attractive at all, while the TSX and G35 coupe look way better. To each their own (otherwise everyone would be drving the exact same car) ;)

[ES_Revenge]

[Consumer Reports] do a good job at providing objective information based on a large number of sources.
:lol:


Much better than the heresay anecdotal crap you hear from people.
While I agree with the sentiments of heresay and anecdotes being useless, CR is not much better.

[airodus]

12-15k shouldn't be looking at a luxury vehicle, even used, especially if you are looking for a sporty feel. Should probably consider an RSX or something since it sounds like you just want an update to your Integra. Acura is a pseudo luxury brand too, so you will win there with the leather seats and nicer plastics.

I have an 09 CTS4 and so far, so good. The Cadillac dealership has been awesome so far and I have confidence that they will take care of me down the road. Can't say the same for Audi and BMW (Audi was terrible, BMW didn't seem to care).

[Dixon007]

Every make and model is going to have a problem, I can go to CTS forums, to Lexus forums to Jag forums to corvette forums to honda forums and find problems people experienced and post it here ? why u just bash on one make and model for ? knowledge is power

[SkiD]

On another hand, Toyotas are built here in Canada. I can never understand why people think American-built GMs are domestic whereas Canadian built Toyotas are imports. Yea, we import them from Cambridge, a full 1hr away from GTA.

Get real.

Do you know what percentage of parts are made in Canada there is for those Canadian assembled Toyota's?

Do you know what percentage of parts are made in Canada there is for those US built Cadillacs?